May 12, 2026 • 35 mins
Mark recaps the Dubas presser from today, and is joined by Tommy Hockey to do that. Tommy Baseball jumps in then for some Bucco talk, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Mark Madden Show. You can follow me
on Twitter at Mark Madden X. By the way, Dupas
not a finalist for NHL Executive of the Year.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That surprises me.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Dan Mues, as we know, is a finalist for NHL
Coach of the Year. And Dupas talked up Mwes a
great deal and he should made a great point about
how Mwes and his staff got so much out of
incoming players, free agents, guys he got via trade what
have you, that it makes Pittsburgh an attractive destination for
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free agents like with the Penguins, and mws got out
of Anthony Manta, who came in scored thirty three goals.
I didn't since he's coming back, Yeah, I would like
to have him blah blah blah. But again, as with Malkin,
you gotta say that. But but yeah, he's right about
the job News did and about a guy looking to
(01:00):
get his career back on track might look at an
anthey man and say, Okay, maybe that guy and that
team can also do that for me. Duba said he'll
figure out about extending Sid and Carlson later this summer,
and by that he means Sid, Yeah, Carlson probably not,
although Carlson did have a very good year. I just
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don't see him getting extended with the direction the team
is trying to move in with Crosby. If he's not
extended or chooses not to extend, it'll be a constant
topic all year, and I'll be blunt. If he's not extended.
You got to trade him at the deadline. You can't
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let him get the free agency. You can't let him
walk for nothing. Can't do it. I know there's this
sentiment that sid should call his own shots, and they've
let him do that to this point, but at that
point it'll about what's best for the team. That said,
I bet he does get extended. You know what I
might do. I might say said, we'll keep Gino if
(02:07):
you extend, and that would be transparent and smack of blackmail.
I'm not so sure. I wouldn't do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
If you don't do what we say, well shoot your friend.
They won't shoot him, they just won't keep him.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Dubas talked up shill Offs and his performance in the playoffs,
said that Morrishoff and Bloomquist will be competing for a
job at the NHL level, and by that he means
Morrishoff will be with the Penguins. But you can't just
annoint You gotta make him earn it, or at least
think he's got to earn it. And I think Morrishoff
knows he has to earn it, just I don't know.
(02:45):
There's a lot of GMS speak today stuff You got
to say the gut the gout read into way too literally,
but that's what happens when you're never at the rink.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Uh. Overall, Dubas did not seem happy with the.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Progress, with the developmental, with the moving forward, and why
would he At the NHL level, It wasn't much of
a developmental year and probably won't be again next year.
Talked up Bill Zonen, first round draft pick last year,
played his junior season, is making his AHL debut with
(03:22):
Wilkes in the playoffs. I think it's tonight, but I
already know is the Penguin system. He's very studious as
well as big and talented, so I don't know if
he's going to be here next year, but it sounds
like Dubas is high on Bill Zanen. So that is
the state of the Penguins according to the GM do
(03:44):
I believe if Getty Monks is gonna come back, I
honestly don't know. Dubas's evident disappointment with the lack of
moving forward makes me wonder because nothing about retaining of
getting Malkin constitutes moving forward. And again that that part
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about would love to have him back, Dubis has to
say that. Let's go to that Dubas SoundBite at the
beginning of his pressure about Gino, so you can hear
exactly what he said.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, we've we've had I mean obviously had a great
exit interview with with you Genny directly UH, and then
subsequently have had continued discussions with UH, with he and
with his representative JP Berry, and you know the season
that he's had. Where we're at, where we're going, I
don't I don't look at our younger players think they
did enough to have a viewed like he's blocking anybody
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out in that regard.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So we would we would love to have him back.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
We just continue to work with JP on.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Its Dubas is right, the Gino is not blocking anybody,
per se. Not in terms of five on five play,
There's no obvious guy among the young guys that would
jump into a top six roll of Gino wasn't there
where he is blocking and I've talked about this frequently,
is on the power Play. The Power Play next year
should have China Cooff and Kindle on it. I'm not
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sure it will, specifically with Chinakoff playing in Gino's spot
that right half wall, but I'm not sure it will.
We're gonna talk more about Aaron Rodgers because I think
I'm legally obliged to, but it's just out of control.
The B team talked about how he was gonna be
in time to set up his contract. Well, now since
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he didn't show and Adam Schefter said he wasn't here,
they're saying, oh, no, he was here, he just didn't
talk to the Steelers. Well, why in the freak would
he be here if he wasn't gonna talk to the Steelers.
You got burned. Lads own it. It's happened to me,
but I own it. But that's what happens when you're
concerned about credibility. Speaking of here's some scandal. Diana Russini
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was photographed kissing her husband.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I wonder how Mike Vrabel feels about that, cause you know,
the other man, the other woman, whatever. They got the
person you cheat with, they get very possessive, very possessive.
I remember who wasn't wrestling his side piece got mad
because there was another side piece. Gotta be honest, I
(06:22):
wish I could tell you it was because that's my
kind of action.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, I wish uh one five nine the X.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No time toe got ho got the X five nine.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Here's that sound.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
By I referenced in the first segment, we heard Dubas
saying he wants to have malcome back already.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But here's Dubas talking about I don't know his.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Politics, the word that the delicate nature of him coming in,
trying to move forward, but been having to maintain the
core three or not.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I mean, I knew when taking this job that it
was you know, it's obviously a special thing that that
the three of them have played together for such a
long time. I think at some point I knew when
taking the job that it's it's me that's going to
have to make somebody or the fans unhappy with different
decisions as they as they come. And I knew that
when when I agreed to come here. I think for me,
(07:24):
the the key is we always have to do it's
best for the Pittsburgh Penguins, even if if that's unpopular,
it makes people unhappy.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
That's the way that we have to operate.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So we will continue to feel the team in the
formation that we feel gives us the best chance to
move ahead. If there if there are players that begin
to pass by, so regardless of who they are and
in how long they've been here, it's incumbent upon me
to to make those decisions and do it's best for
the Penguins in the long run. But I know this
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is a very special situation in terms of the nostalogy
of it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
That word nostalgia, that's a red flag for the Malkin decision,
because ain't no GM likes nostalgia. Also, here's a key phrase.
He said it a couple times. I have to do
what gives us the best chance to move forward. He
didn't say best chance to win, he said best chance
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to move forward. In ninety percent of the time those
two things aren't across purposes, but in this instance they
just might be. When we open the phone lines for
the four o'clock hour, I want to know what you
think of what Kyle said. Will Gino stay or will
he go? This is me purely reading between the lines,
(08:44):
but I think ever so slightly, it sounds like he's
more out than in.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
But now it's time for the buck around up, which
is always very exciting. The Powers were off yesterday. Colorado
visits PNC for a three game series starting tonight, and
what you need is a sweep because the Rocky stink
and you gotta get to the top of the wild
card pack and Skiings is pitching tonight, so you gotta win.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Case closed.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
People tell me it's early, calm down, it's early YadA YadA.
But the Pirates aren't that kind of team. You'll see
when the music stops and they do or don't have
a chair at season's end, because it's gonna be a
razor thin margin. Crew's got to do better, and Reynolds
got to do better, and the bullpen gotta do better
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because right now it keeps Skins from being foolproof. That said,
I see signs. I'm a big Mason Montgomery guy. He's
got to Zra down under three. Soto's good. They seem
to have lost a bit of faith in Santana bit,
but I think there's a bullpen there that can be
pieced together to good effect. I'm calling Bucco's win tonight
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and seven shutout innings for Skeens, and that is the
Bucko roundup for Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Let's talking out of Tommy Hockey.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Tom what did you make about what Dubas said, his
quote that he wanted to keep malkin and then referring
to the Core three as nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well, I mean you're right that he has to say
what he said about Gino. You know, we speculated before
this press conference that maybe he comes to the podium
and announces that the contract is done with Malcolm and
they have the one year extension, and that obviously didn't happen.
So the more that this kind of drags on, don't
you think, the more Dubis is kind of pulling in
the other direction and trying to get out of bringing him.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Back today smacked of him setting the scene where he
lowballs malct on money and Malcott won't take it.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He literally established himself as being the bad guy in
that SoundBite that he just played to start this segment.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, and like I said, that word nostalgia, it didn't
come out in a good way. It came out like
I would say.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
It no, and like you said, gms don't like nostalgia. Well,
gms especially don't like others nostalgia. It had nothing to
do with the teams, that one with the Big Three,
Like he has no reason to serve them, You can
reserve himself.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You're preaching the choir.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But as I keep saying, I have no problem with
bringing Geno back because the dressing them only be pissed,
The fans will be pissed, and the new owners will
be concerned about how bad they look. So I think
maybe he's waiting for the new owners to say you
got to bring him back.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, like making it so that that ultimatum almost has
dropped into Kyle's lap, like he's told to do it.
So because it wouldn't be his choice. I think that's
always been clear with him. He wouldn't choose to do.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It, and he wouldn't say it out loud that the owners
made him do it, but you know, stuff like that
gets out there.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Absolutely. I think the owners are the thing that's in
Gino's corner the most right now at this point, because
I think the GM today.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Gino, who was kind of a snake when he said this,
said when he was talking about coming back. You know,
maybe the new owners will will have a say or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But here's where you feel bad for Kyle, because I
think Kyle's.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
A really good GM and I think he's done a
really good job, even though he's in some respects handcuffed
by the core three. But he's coming up on the
fourth year of his seven year deal and the team
has not made the progress toward building into a championship
team that you would hope after four after three years.
(12:14):
But I'm not sure how much that is on him.
But there's every possibility that when that seven years is up,
that is just a year removed or two from those
guys finally quitting and then I don't care what you
know you're doing now with the young players and Brunick
and Coleyvenan, and he talked about some of the names morishaw,
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especially in goal. You can't really get what you want
in place till them three are gone. And I wonder
how much he thinks about that, maybe daydreams about that.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I wonder because it's such a good point that you
make that we're now entering the second half of his
contract here and I don't even think we see the
corner yet right, like there's there's momentum for sure for
them getting back to being that contending type of team.
But though there's not, you don't think there's any momentum
at all with the goaltend.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, potentially a star caliber goaltender.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
You tell me what else, But I'm just saying, like
that corner isn't next year, Like you don't turn it
in what you're five.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
They are They are delaying a full rebuild, or compromising
is a better word. Compromising the full rebuild to indulge
a timetable that won't be met for those three guys
winning again. If those guys want to win, and that
includes Sid, they should leave that. They're not gonna win
again here. They're just not I and I hate to
say that, but it's the truth. No, it's absolutely true.
(13:35):
Like it won't fit in together. Even with Sid, as
great as he's aging, he won't be that. I don't
think when this new crop of Penguins, if they're ever
ready to win, will be. And then the dummies, the
populist students who say you got to get these guys help. Now,
look at the list of unrestricted free agents. Tell me
what help you can get out of out of that group,
and then we'll trade your young guys, trade your draft picks. Okay,
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dig the hole deep, and it still won't be enough.
This is just a very untenable situation.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Which is why they should let Malkin go right now.
I mean, this is the first step to starting to
as you always say, turning that page. And it seems
like the GM wants.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
To do that. What do you think will happen if
sid doesn't extend.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
They have to trade him. I mean, I don't know
if that will come to pass.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
You know, I feel almost dirty and like I'm betraying
him saying that, betraying just the whole concept of him,
the Penguins, everything.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
But if it gets to that point, choice, he's got
extend if you have won your left at the deadline.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Here's the other thing too, And I hate to speculate
about trading Sick because I don't believe it'll happen.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I do believe he'll finish here. Let's play the what
if game.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, he's untradeable, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
What you would want in exchange for him?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The other t would never give up, no matter how
much they need him to get over the top case
in point, I was talking to Staggery and Joe Brand today.
They were saying, what if you could trade Sid to
San Jose for the number two pick overall?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And I said, why would they do that?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Because and Stagger as well to get Sid with Celebrini
And I go, okay, But then you know you lose
that guy that whether it's the Swede or McKenna or
whoever you get, you'd rather have. Like I gotta be honest,
if I could take my emotions out of it, my
nostalge out of it, and you told me I could
have McKenna for Sid right now, I'd make the deal obviously.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, how could you not?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, but you're right about the Sharks, like they should
not take that deal. They should want McKenna or the
suite to grow with celebrating.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But unless you get return like that, there's no point
in trying Sid.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Another case of put Montreal, YEP. I was gonna bring
this up if I traded.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Sid to Montreal, which is the destination that that I
think certain elements in his in his uh in his
camp daydream about.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And they are a team really close. We see that
right now? Put it now? They could okay for me
to trade Sid to Montreal.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I want demodov or sleft cost and then something else,
and there'd be nuts to do that.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
They're not going to give up those two pieces. I
mean maybe slef Costky, but Demidoff, they're not gonna give
up that.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You know what Paperson would do in that regard, And
again I feel dirty talking about this, but you know
what Pat would do. You owe it to Sid to
let him go where he wants to, which I'd say, well,
just wait till the end of the season. He's a
free agent.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
If he doesn't extend, If he doesn't extend, if for
playing this what if game, You're right, you're always gonna
lose the trade for Sid, but you still have to
make the trade. You still can't let him walk for now.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And if he won't extend, if it's on his end,
then he doesn't want to extend. That'll be the first
time I believe he's gonna leave if he's the one
that wants, because it be setting himself up to be
traded or go somewhere else via free agency. And if
he's gonna wait it out to see where the team's
at at the end of this coming year, he's gonna
be disappointed.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I mean, it just becomes organizational malpractice to the worst
possible level. If he doesn't extend and you go through
an entire season without trading him and then he just
walks away for nothing. I mean, if he's gonna walk away,
and like you said, if he doesn't extend and he
initiates it, that's a good signal that he's gonna end
up walking away. You got to get something out of
that or else it's a total swing of a miss.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Would you say to JP Barry, Gino's agent, who don't
forget JP Barry and Pat Prisoner the same agency.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yes, Pat represents sit.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Would you say to those guys, Okay, if Sid extends,
will reup Geno?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I like that, I like playing hardball with him like that.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Think they'd get pissed. I think Cidy get pissed.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
You know what, They're gonna get pissed, right at some point,
they're gonna gis.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We have to accept that they're gonna be ready. Yeah,
they're gonna be mad. Like let's they get everything they
want all the time.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Honestly, we have given them so much leash to not
get mad at this point too, this should have been
coming to twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I think Sid deserves every inch of that leash. But
once you tie yourself into others, which is very much
in play here, however, unspoken, that's a different story.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Do you think Sid genuinely believes too that they can win,
that they can like toe this lock in these both
worlds that they're trying to.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
One thing I really respect about Sid is that he
always thinks his team can win.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
No matter what.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, so he thinks mal can coming back definitely helps
them move forward.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know, you know he want that way sixty six.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Well, you've said that all the time, like Housty six.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Sometimes sometimes like here was here was a conversation that
with him one time, I forget what year, I go,
what do you think?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And he just kind of looks at me, goes, eh
about the team?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, yeah, you saw the expression they cannot Yeah but
yeah so so yeah, And again I feel dirty talking
about all these possibilities, but I think they do have
to be addressed, and I think probably will be sooner
than we think.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well, I just think too that if the deal's not
done now, right, like if they just didn't figure this
out with like, what are they possibly hammering out? Malcolm
wants two years, he wants more money now he forgets
that mar Aaron Rodgers esque. If that's what I'm saying,
my signal here is that they're gonna move on from him,
or at least Dubas is really trying to get the
ear of new ownership, the ear of everybody in that
organization and saying we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
By the way, I talked to Dubis off the record
and he said he has not seen Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh.
Oh wait a minute, that kind of puts it on
the record. I made it up anyway, Tom, what about
my opening statement that the Steelers have a seven million
dollar kicker highs paid in football and they still don't
know who their started quarterback is. Isn't that just right
(18:53):
up the alley of Art corleone the seconds.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It's embarrassing, it is, And I'm not saying that's embarrassing.
They gave that kicker that much money because that's the
market right now, and he is a great kicker, But
to have it presented like that you have no quarterback
yet you have the seven million dollar leg. It's just bad.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, as I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't give any kicker
seven million. I just don't think they're real football players.
And that makes me an old school fool. Well then
so be it. But somebody like the hate on me
for me on Twitter over this is saying that, yeah, yeah,
a kicker, and that shows what a soft football top
Pittsburgh has become when they're when they're idolizing a kicker.
(19:29):
And I and I said, you know what I said
on Twitter, and I this is a slight exaggeration, but
isn't that what Twitter's for? I said, he cried till
he got what he wants. That's the Steeler away. And
I'm like, when did he cry? He held in last year?
I remember that he refused to participate for a while
last year camp, am I right?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And the Steelers just ignored it. And remember he just
kind of sadly walked out in the field against Jacksonville
in the preseason game and kicked off and it was like, well,
I guess the Boswell holdens over now.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Did.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And somebody tweeted at me who was the kicker? I
forget this name? Uh, Baltimore's kicker was really.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Good last year? Who missed the before Tucker? Justin talker?
He got big Bundy at one point, right, Oh big money? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Can he get some kind of scandal?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yeah, massage stuff Watson. I don't know, No, I can't
confirm that. I'm sure a picture will come out soon though.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But somebody said, would you, uh would would would you
have said that when the Ravens paid Justin Tuck and go? Yes,
what part of I wouldn't give any kicker that kind
of money? Don't you understand?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
No, it's absurd, But teams don't draw lines in the
sands when it comes to we talked about this yesterday,
when it comes to any positions that are getting overpaid.
Quarterback gets overpaid for the middle tier of the quarterbacks
in the league. Kickers getting overpaid. They just don't want
to do it. They don't want to play hardball with them.
That's just the bar was set by Aubrey, so give
him seven mil.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You know what else?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Was a telling thing by Dubis today? Now see I'm
rememberance stuff now I'm old. So it goes in one ear.
How about how about Shelby?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, she was there, really nice, really talented too. She's
with Channel two.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Now yeah I believe.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, good for her because she's a.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Talent, but she's she's pregnant, and we're like sitting there
and everybody offers to give up their seat and she
doesn't want to take and finally I just go sit
the freaking out and like in like Kingkersky.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Then King Kersky moved over, like I go, what do
you make this? How bad does this make us look?
Me look like? Because it would have been on Twitter
Madden makes Pregnant. Yeah, yeah, it's just like I said, yeah,
a bit more power to her because she's, like I said,
she's she's like the B team, you know, gave her
short trip in their definitely and they're never an inquest
(21:31):
to have just one black guy and no women and
uh and and I'm glad to see Channel because she's
she's legit uh and pregnant.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And I let her sit down. In fact, I made
her sit down. But yeah, the U I was about
to say something revealing, oh oh. Dubas said on several
occasis that it is unique. He said that on several
occasions about several things. You know what that says? If
this guy's unique. The other guys aren't.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Am I right?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And referring to like the Tang and Gino and all
those other.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yus didn't He didn't refer to the tag in.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
That he's separating the class.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes, any and that's one thing that we've never done.
You've always said this, Yes is we is the Penguins organization.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
The fans, the media have always tried to make Geno
equivalent to Sid. It's not close. It's not close. I
would give Sid anything he wants, as long as he wants,
because he's unique.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Because I've heard it said Penguins fans are so weird
because they try to equate or excuse me, try to
equate Malcolm with Sid in that class. While as you
reference this too, they try to get Latang out of
there right like it's like, oh, you're just the add
on for the Big three, like it's really the duo. No,
it's the three.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And Tanger has three rings just like them, and and
Tanger was their best player in the.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Flyer series and I hate the stupid well they did
it without him in twenty seventeen. Who scored the game
winning goal in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, seriously, Tom, I know people that I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Guys hate Latang because he's good looking and their women
would rather sleep with him.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
You're not wrong about that, no, no question, no question.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You know what to think of announcing, Tom, We'll talk
about this later in the hour. I may announce my
retirement from traveling to see concerts.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Oh, I find that very hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's wearing me out. It's wearing me out.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
But if you drew like a circle, like a radius,
like Atlantic City is the farthest.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
To go, so that's travel. The distance is no problem
because I'm mostly flying fair just travel, Tom. I I
have like I have, like they're all brief trips to
be fair, but I have like like seven eight, seven
or eight trips this summer to see concerts or soccer,
and soccer is gonna stay.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Like if you have to lose one, it's gotta it's
gotta be the concerts, right, you gotta keep going to Liverpool.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
No, to Liverpool, but I'm going like the Nashville to see.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
See and then you're seeing some friendlies in the world.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
In Egypt, in Brazil, in Cleveland for a friendly I'm
seeing Scotland and Morocco in the World Cup.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
It is so awesome though it's hard to walk away
from it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
This is no offense to these guys because I like them,
but there are some groups who are maybe below the line,
even in my estimation. I'm a connyat in in Uh.
I think it's the weekend after a Memorial Day Angel,
who we've had Punky on Punky. They're at Jurgles in
the middle of that trip and Conyea's part way back
(24:11):
to you know what I mean? But do I really
want to blow off a night at Conyat to drive
frantically to see Angel withs I'm not sure I do.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Maybe you should be a little more picky. Maybe that's
what you do. Maybe you don't go cold turkey and
just quick completely, but you just get a little more
picky with the shore.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Here's how fed up I am. I'm not I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I had David Lee Roth tickets for Saturday in DC, right,
which would have meant Saturday, Yeah, WHI would have made.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
A trip to Jimmy's in Baltimore seafood.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Okay, I'm not going because there's an appearance I got
from the station for Calliente, that brewery they're doing that pumpkin.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Beer pineapple beer right there. Actually, yes, you can plug it.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
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And I'm mistaken that that dough Daddy's Caliente.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Right, I think so?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, collaboration.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, and I'm not gonna drink pumpkin beer ever, but Caliente,
my god, it's the best beats in time. And I'm
sure the beer is good, just pumpkin, although you know
what this is pineapple though it is a pineapple pineapple beer.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yes, it sounds great anyway, No, it does sound great.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
It's better than pumpkin.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I think I'm sure I'll try it anyway. No, I'm
just see. I why'd you make me plug that?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Now?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I ruined? But I'll be there three till five.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But anyway, so so I'm already looking to see David
Lee Ross somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I saw him twice last year. I just don't need
to see him anymore, but I can't help myself. You
said he was good though when you saw him right Like, No,
his voice is just awful, But he said he's still
a showman, like he can still move. He's still David
Lee Roth.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And he has the five black guys on stage behind
him doing background vocals.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Oh, they sound angelic.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
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Speaker 1 (26:52):
Tom, you know what people call David Lee Ross five
black backup singers did run a riser behind him in concert.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Could only imagine Van Harlem. That's pretty good. They call
that on stage though no here comes Van Harlom. That's
the fantaside nickname.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah. And it's like when I was at the M three,
the festival where Roth made his comeback, yeah, a little
over a year ago.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
A lady asked me, excuse me, but are are those
singers the Temptations? And I said, yes, they are, man,
it is isn't it great to see them?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Tom? Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Were we were perusing Twitter uh during the commercial break,
and it seems like most people are taking what Kyle
said in face value that he would love to have
Geno back and uh, YadA YadA.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, it does seem like that's the sentiment that Malcolm's
coming back and that Dubas is going to bring him back.
But I totally see where you were coming from there.
There was just some reading between the lines that you
could do. In that press conference, he.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Would if we would love to have Geno back, he
could already officially be.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Back, That's what I mean. He's already signed Doer and
uh yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So so when I stirring him calling Sid unique on
more than one occasion and in him using nostalgia to
refer to the Core three, and he didn't say nostalgia
in a demeaning way. He said, I forget what the
exact verb, but there's an element of nostalgia to deal
with something like that, right.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Yeah, And I think this might have been one of
the examples of him calling Sid unique. But when they
were talking about Carlson and Crosby's contracts extensions this offseason,
he puts it in a different class there too, where
he was like, Crosby's a bit different as far as
how we would approach him and Eric will do with it.
But so, like there's clearly been this line of delineation
that Dubis wanted to draw when it comes to Crosby,
and then when it comes to every single other asset
(28:37):
that he has.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, I think what we need to recognize is the
important thing is which is this column for the trip
writes itself. I could have this this em effort done
in like forty minutes forty five if I want to
be really creative.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Well, let's talk about some Bucco baseball for tonight. We
have to because they got to sweep the Rockies. Like
you said, sweet, it's non negotiable, and.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
This they've got to open up cushion at the top
of the wild card race. I wanted to jump on
that in the pack, so one way ticket to Plukaville.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I wanted to jump on that. What you said at
the beginning, where are like, well, it's.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Because by the way, let me just go ahead, let
me La and San Diego, whoever don't win that division
will definitely get one.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Wild probably the top one.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So there's two wild cards up for grass and.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
They're probably going to be your own division fighting for
it between the Brewers and the Cardinals. And if the
Reds still still stay around the.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Last unless they knock each other to crap and somebody steep.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't see that, but it could.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Happen, like maybe the Phillies, but I don't know. They've
kind of been struggling.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I would say two teams from the NL Central.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I think two teams from the NL Central are going
to be wild cards. Then obviously the NL Central champions,
so three teams will get in from that division. But
this notion that people have where it's like a it's
really don't worry about the buckos. These wins spend too.
You need these wins in May in April as well.
And when you play question, you play bad teams. In May,
you play bad teams in May. The Giants are a
bad team. You lost that series. That's a bad loss.
You have to counteract that by sweeping the Rockies. You
(29:57):
got your two top dogs on the mound two with
Keller tomorrow Skemes tonight. Laginsky starts the third day. Would
you have skipped him having a day off on Monday,
just passed right over him and gone to ashcraft.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I think he's pitched well enough that no, I would
not skip.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I think I am a little too hard on legendsky.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I just think my you don't like that he doesn't
have a defined role, which it would be in the bullpen,
he would know that he's a bulk relief guy who
happens to start.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, if he would just be assigned, does.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
The matter when he pitches the innings, if that's what
he goes like?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Four mostly right, four or five five pretty much at
the most.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I have no complaint with him.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
But either way, you've got your top two pitchers starting
this series against the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Well, you know what sucks about I was talking before
about how the bullpen shows signs that coming together. The
problem with with the bullpen, and it supplies to every
team in the majors. The starters get yanked so early. Yes,
you need like a seven man bullpen with everybody pitch
it in pretty good.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, I think that's and it's tough to criticize Kelly
because it's kind of just criticizing the analytic book when
you do this. But that's that's where I think they're
really doing a disservice. They're gassing their bullpen, which isn't
that great anyway, really early on in the season by
having them come in in the sixth inning all the time,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Well, who do you like in the bullpen? I like
Sodoto's a.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Really good reliever.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I still likes been my guy since we got him.
He's coming around.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I like Mason Montgomery too, I'll tell you I.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Hate and they seem to have lost some faith, not
all faith, but some faith, like as in making him
closer in Santana.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, but I think maybe that also just had to
do with Sodo's been so lights out that it's just
like kind of both of those things worked with each other.
Santana slipped a little bit, SODA's been great. Justin Lawrence
is the guy I hate, though. Anytime they throw this
Lawrence guy in there, it's just basically like waven the
white flag. He's the guy who gave up the run
against the Giants and they lost that game and it's
six point four to six y R. Is any the
guy in dodgeball Justin Lawrence? Yeah, No, you're thinking you're
(31:47):
thinking of Justin Long.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Oh it's not the same guy. No, it's not the
same guy.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I wish we had Justin Long that then we would
probably have a great middle reliever. But that's the one
guy that I think has just been terrible.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
But well, you know, you know, people criticize as you
Johan Ramirez.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I don't hate him.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
He's had some anxious moments and played a part in
some of the bad losses. But I always feel like
he just is one pitch away, like he throws the
bad pitch at the bad time.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
No, And I think he's actually been doing pretty decent
job late, like he's been bouncing back. See, I'm trying
to think of some other guys Mattson, I guess it's
been a little bit underwhelming.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Is that the guy from succession, No over the.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Succession And once again, if.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
He took over the company, he wouldn't have to pitch.
You didn't have enough money.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
You know, he's four to six seven e er right now.
Like that's no good. But but with Ramirez and Soto
and Satana and Montgomery, you're right, like there's there's a
bullpen that's trying to emerge there. They're just like maybe
a piece or two away from it falling into place.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Or not. I mean, I don't have like them.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Losing faith in Santana has me rattled about about the
prospects for the bullpen.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Well, and that's the other thing about the or not
aspect of the Pirates. You can apply that to everything,
because you're right, this is gonna come down to the
very end of the year.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The biggest negative factor with the Pirates is that Cruise
and Reynolds aren't living up to their.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Billing big time.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And sure a lot of a lot of the marks
out there think Cruise is because his good games are
fabulous and memorable and his long home runs and blah
blah blah. But he kills him in the field and
his averages dropped one hundred points in the last month.
Reynolds has one home run in his last twenty five games.
Case closed. They suck, they're killing him. Well, everybody tells
me they don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Cruz is supposed to be an MVP too, right, Like,
this guy's gonna be an MVP. He's not putting up
MVP numbers that average is thinking like a run.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Will credit Connor Griffin is stabilizing and improving, And people say, well,
you wanted to send them down, No, I said when
he was struggling mightily.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
They might have to consider that.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
They and they if he was still playing to this
date like he was when you broached that topic, they
probably should send him down. I wish they I.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Wish one of our teams would would win.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You know why, because never winning has made our fan
base for all the teams into a bunch of snarling
a holes, like like they just like they're so defensive
because they know their team isn't what they want it
to be, and they just say.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
We haven't taken this gracefully, have we? That this era
of Pittsburgh sports where I think we're now the out
of like cities with a Big three at least, I
think we've gone the longest without winning a single playoff
series or game now like we have the longest drout.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know what I'm gonna talk about.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
At the top of the hour, I got a big
Aaron Rodgers monologue, even though I hate it, hate the
idea of it, hate him.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I hate him at this point, Am I wrong in
hating him?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
When you doing at the top of that, we have
peer at the top of the.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Hour, a screwp Pierre. I'm talking about Aaron No? Is
that right? See I'm not at all organized with what square?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, my god, look at this Aaron Rodgers monologue. I
could use it tomorrow. You're gonna be signed by tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
You're gonna be signed by next week. Who do you
think signs first? Malcolm or Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Have they been seen together?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
You know what's pathetic by the way, like like you know,
it was predicted by some of the guys down the dial,
one of whom I like, one of whom I don't,
the other who's worthless, that that Rogers was coming to
Pittsburgh to talk to the Steelers and then sign. And
now since he didn't and show after said he wasn't here, period,
the bar has been moved to, Oh, he was here,
(35:04):
he just didn't talk to the Steelers. Well you're still wrong.
You got burned. You're not lying, you got burned. But
but he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Here, was he like weekend?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Any Does anybody think that he left California to come
to a better golf course here? And if somebody would
have seen him, somebody would have said.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Something to put the glasses on like we can at
Bernie's and put the hood up and like go incognito
everywhere he.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Came to golf here rich people take the picture right right,
because that would have been who he golfs with or
golf's at the same club as you would have seen
him and said something that had a selfie.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Tank, or even somebody that's on the T box that's
not in his group would have just been like, bang,
that's Aaron Rodgers. I'm gonna go viral.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
You think Aaron Rodgers THO would tell somebody significantly richer
than him to f off if ask for selfie?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah he would. Yeah, Okay, he was here one oh
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not a finalist for NHL Executive of the Year.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That surprises me.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Dan Mues, as we know, is a finalist for NHL
Coach of the Year. And Dupas talked up Mwes a
great deal and he should made a great point about
how Mwes and his staff got so much out of
incoming players, free agents, guys he got via trade what
have you, that it makes Pittsburgh an attractive destination for
(00:36):
free agents like with the Penguins, and mws got out
of Anthony Manta, who came in scored thirty three goals.
I didn't since he's coming back, Yeah, I would like
to have him blah blah blah. But again, as with Malkin,
you gotta say that. But but yeah, he's right about
the job News did and about a guy looking to
(01:00):
get his career back on track might look at an
anthey man and say, Okay, maybe that guy and that
team can also do that for me. Duba said he'll
figure out about extending Sid and Carlson later this summer,
and by that he means Sid, Yeah, Carlson probably not,
although Carlson did have a very good year. I just
(01:23):
don't see him getting extended with the direction the team
is trying to move in with Crosby. If he's not
extended or chooses not to extend, it'll be a constant
topic all year, and I'll be blunt. If he's not extended.
You got to trade him at the deadline. You can't
(01:45):
let him get the free agency. You can't let him
walk for nothing. Can't do it. I know there's this
sentiment that sid should call his own shots, and they've
let him do that to this point, but at that
point it'll about what's best for the team. That said,
I bet he does get extended. You know what I
might do. I might say said, we'll keep Gino if
(02:07):
you extend, and that would be transparent and smack of blackmail.
I'm not so sure. I wouldn't do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
If you don't do what we say, well shoot your friend.
They won't shoot him, they just won't keep him.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Dubas talked up shill Offs and his performance in the playoffs,
said that Morrishoff and Bloomquist will be competing for a
job at the NHL level, and by that he means
Morrishoff will be with the Penguins. But you can't just
annoint You gotta make him earn it, or at least
think he's got to earn it. And I think Morrishoff
knows he has to earn it, just I don't know.
(02:45):
There's a lot of GMS speak today stuff You got
to say the gut the gout read into way too literally,
but that's what happens when you're never at the rink.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Uh. Overall, Dubas did not seem happy with the.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Progress, with the developmental, with the moving forward, and why
would he At the NHL level, It wasn't much of
a developmental year and probably won't be again next year.
Talked up Bill Zonen, first round draft pick last year,
played his junior season, is making his AHL debut with
(03:22):
Wilkes in the playoffs. I think it's tonight, but I
already know is the Penguin system. He's very studious as
well as big and talented, so I don't know if
he's going to be here next year, but it sounds
like Dubas is high on Bill Zanen. So that is
the state of the Penguins according to the GM do
(03:44):
I believe if Getty Monks is gonna come back, I
honestly don't know. Dubas's evident disappointment with the lack of
moving forward makes me wonder because nothing about retaining of
getting Malkin constitutes moving forward. And again that that part
(04:06):
about would love to have him back, Dubis has to
say that. Let's go to that Dubas SoundBite at the
beginning of his pressure about Gino, so you can hear
exactly what he said.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, we've we've had I mean obviously had a great
exit interview with with you Genny directly UH, and then
subsequently have had continued discussions with UH, with he and
with his representative JP Berry, and you know the season
that he's had. Where we're at, where we're going, I
don't I don't look at our younger players think they
did enough to have a viewed like he's blocking anybody
(04:43):
out in that regard.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So we would we would love to have him back.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
We just continue to work with JP on.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Its Dubas is right, the Gino is not blocking anybody,
per se. Not in terms of five on five play,
There's no obvious guy among the young guys that would
jump into a top six roll of Gino wasn't there
where he is blocking and I've talked about this frequently,
is on the power Play. The Power Play next year
should have China Cooff and Kindle on it. I'm not
(05:10):
sure it will, specifically with Chinakoff playing in Gino's spot
that right half wall, but I'm not sure it will.
We're gonna talk more about Aaron Rodgers because I think
I'm legally obliged to, but it's just out of control.
The B team talked about how he was gonna be
in time to set up his contract. Well, now since
(05:32):
he didn't show and Adam Schefter said he wasn't here,
they're saying, oh, no, he was here, he just didn't
talk to the Steelers. Well, why in the freak would
he be here if he wasn't gonna talk to the Steelers.
You got burned. Lads own it. It's happened to me,
but I own it. But that's what happens when you're
concerned about credibility. Speaking of here's some scandal. Diana Russini
(05:56):
was photographed kissing her husband.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I wonder how Mike Vrabel feels about that, cause you know,
the other man, the other woman, whatever. They got the
person you cheat with, they get very possessive, very possessive.
I remember who wasn't wrestling his side piece got mad
because there was another side piece. Gotta be honest, I
(06:22):
wish I could tell you it was because that's my
kind of action.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, I wish uh one five nine the X.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No time toe got ho got the X five nine.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Here's that sound.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
By I referenced in the first segment, we heard Dubas
saying he wants to have malcome back already.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But here's Dubas talking about I don't know his.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Politics, the word that the delicate nature of him coming in,
trying to move forward, but been having to maintain the
core three or not.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I mean, I knew when taking this job that it
was you know, it's obviously a special thing that that
the three of them have played together for such a
long time. I think at some point I knew when
taking the job that it's it's me that's going to
have to make somebody or the fans unhappy with different
decisions as they as they come. And I knew that
when when I agreed to come here. I think for me,
(07:24):
the the key is we always have to do it's
best for the Pittsburgh Penguins, even if if that's unpopular,
it makes people unhappy.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
That's the way that we have to operate.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So we will continue to feel the team in the
formation that we feel gives us the best chance to
move ahead. If there if there are players that begin
to pass by, so regardless of who they are and
in how long they've been here, it's incumbent upon me
to to make those decisions and do it's best for
the Penguins in the long run. But I know this
(07:55):
is a very special situation in terms of the nostalogy
of it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
That word nostalgia, that's a red flag for the Malkin decision,
because ain't no GM likes nostalgia. Also, here's a key phrase.
He said it a couple times. I have to do
what gives us the best chance to move forward. He
didn't say best chance to win, he said best chance
(08:22):
to move forward. In ninety percent of the time those
two things aren't across purposes, but in this instance they
just might be. When we open the phone lines for
the four o'clock hour, I want to know what you
think of what Kyle said. Will Gino stay or will
he go? This is me purely reading between the lines,
(08:44):
but I think ever so slightly, it sounds like he's
more out than in.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
But now it's time for the buck around up, which
is always very exciting. The Powers were off yesterday. Colorado
visits PNC for a three game series starting tonight, and
what you need is a sweep because the Rocky stink
and you gotta get to the top of the wild
card pack and Skiings is pitching tonight, so you gotta win.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Case closed.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
People tell me it's early, calm down, it's early YadA YadA.
But the Pirates aren't that kind of team. You'll see
when the music stops and they do or don't have
a chair at season's end, because it's gonna be a
razor thin margin. Crew's got to do better, and Reynolds
got to do better, and the bullpen gotta do better
(09:33):
because right now it keeps Skins from being foolproof. That said,
I see signs. I'm a big Mason Montgomery guy. He's
got to Zra down under three. Soto's good. They seem
to have lost a bit of faith in Santana bit,
but I think there's a bullpen there that can be
pieced together to good effect. I'm calling Bucco's win tonight
(09:54):
and seven shutout innings for Skeens, and that is the
Bucko roundup for Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Let's talking out of Tommy Hockey.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Tom what did you make about what Dubas said, his
quote that he wanted to keep malkin and then referring
to the Core three as nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well, I mean you're right that he has to say
what he said about Gino. You know, we speculated before
this press conference that maybe he comes to the podium
and announces that the contract is done with Malcolm and
they have the one year extension, and that obviously didn't happen.
So the more that this kind of drags on, don't
you think, the more Dubis is kind of pulling in
the other direction and trying to get out of bringing him.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Back today smacked of him setting the scene where he
lowballs malct on money and Malcott won't take it.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He literally established himself as being the bad guy in
that SoundBite that he just played to start this segment.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, and like I said, that word nostalgia, it didn't
come out in a good way. It came out like
I would say.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
It no, and like you said, gms don't like nostalgia. Well,
gms especially don't like others nostalgia. It had nothing to
do with the teams, that one with the Big Three,
Like he has no reason to serve them, You can
reserve himself.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You're preaching the choir.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But as I keep saying, I have no problem with
bringing Geno back because the dressing them only be pissed,
The fans will be pissed, and the new owners will
be concerned about how bad they look. So I think
maybe he's waiting for the new owners to say you
got to bring him back.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, like making it so that that ultimatum almost has
dropped into Kyle's lap, like he's told to do it.
So because it wouldn't be his choice. I think that's
always been clear with him. He wouldn't choose to do.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It, and he wouldn't say it out loud that the owners
made him do it, but you know, stuff like that
gets out there.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Absolutely. I think the owners are the thing that's in
Gino's corner the most right now at this point, because
I think the GM today.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Gino, who was kind of a snake when he said this,
said when he was talking about coming back. You know,
maybe the new owners will will have a say or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But here's where you feel bad for Kyle, because I
think Kyle's.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
A really good GM and I think he's done a
really good job, even though he's in some respects handcuffed
by the core three. But he's coming up on the
fourth year of his seven year deal and the team
has not made the progress toward building into a championship
team that you would hope after four after three years.
(12:14):
But I'm not sure how much that is on him.
But there's every possibility that when that seven years is up,
that is just a year removed or two from those
guys finally quitting and then I don't care what you
know you're doing now with the young players and Brunick
and Coleyvenan, and he talked about some of the names morishaw,
(12:35):
especially in goal. You can't really get what you want
in place till them three are gone. And I wonder
how much he thinks about that, maybe daydreams about that.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
I wonder because it's such a good point that you
make that we're now entering the second half of his
contract here and I don't even think we see the
corner yet right, like there's there's momentum for sure for
them getting back to being that contending type of team.
But though there's not, you don't think there's any momentum
at all with the goaltend.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, potentially a star caliber goaltender.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
You tell me what else, But I'm just saying, like
that corner isn't next year, Like you don't turn it
in what you're five.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
They are They are delaying a full rebuild, or compromising
is a better word. Compromising the full rebuild to indulge
a timetable that won't be met for those three guys
winning again. If those guys want to win, and that
includes Sid, they should leave that. They're not gonna win
again here. They're just not I and I hate to
say that, but it's the truth. No, it's absolutely true.
(13:35):
Like it won't fit in together. Even with Sid, as
great as he's aging, he won't be that. I don't
think when this new crop of Penguins, if they're ever
ready to win, will be. And then the dummies, the
populist students who say you got to get these guys help. Now,
look at the list of unrestricted free agents. Tell me
what help you can get out of out of that group,
and then we'll trade your young guys, trade your draft picks. Okay,
(13:55):
dig the hole deep, and it still won't be enough.
This is just a very untenable situation.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Which is why they should let Malkin go right now.
I mean, this is the first step to starting to
as you always say, turning that page. And it seems
like the GM wants.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
To do that. What do you think will happen if
sid doesn't extend.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
They have to trade him. I mean, I don't know
if that will come to pass.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
You know, I feel almost dirty and like I'm betraying
him saying that, betraying just the whole concept of him,
the Penguins, everything.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
But if it gets to that point, choice, he's got
extend if you have won your left at the deadline.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Here's the other thing too, And I hate to speculate
about trading Sick because I don't believe it'll happen.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I do believe he'll finish here. Let's play the what
if game.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, he's untradeable, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
What you would want in exchange for him?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The other t would never give up, no matter how
much they need him to get over the top case
in point, I was talking to Staggery and Joe Brand today.
They were saying, what if you could trade Sid to
San Jose for the number two pick overall?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And I said, why would they do that?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Because and Stagger as well to get Sid with Celebrini
And I go, okay, But then you know you lose
that guy that whether it's the Swede or McKenna or
whoever you get, you'd rather have. Like I gotta be honest,
if I could take my emotions out of it, my
nostalge out of it, and you told me I could
have McKenna for Sid right now, I'd make the deal obviously.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, how could you not?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, but you're right about the Sharks, like they should
not take that deal. They should want McKenna or the
suite to grow with celebrating.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But unless you get return like that, there's no point
in trying Sid.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Another case of put Montreal, YEP. I was gonna bring
this up if I traded.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Sid to Montreal, which is the destination that that I
think certain elements in his in his uh in his
camp daydream about.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And they are a team really close. We see that
right now? Put it now? They could okay for me
to trade Sid to Montreal.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I want demodov or sleft cost and then something else,
and there'd be nuts to do that.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
They're not going to give up those two pieces. I
mean maybe slef Costky, but Demidoff, they're not gonna give
up that.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You know what Paperson would do in that regard, And
again I feel dirty talking about this, but you know
what Pat would do. You owe it to Sid to
let him go where he wants to, which I'd say, well,
just wait till the end of the season. He's a
free agent.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
If he doesn't extend, If he doesn't extend, if for
playing this what if game, You're right, you're always gonna
lose the trade for Sid, but you still have to
make the trade. You still can't let him walk for now.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And if he won't extend, if it's on his end,
then he doesn't want to extend. That'll be the first
time I believe he's gonna leave if he's the one
that wants, because it be setting himself up to be
traded or go somewhere else via free agency. And if
he's gonna wait it out to see where the team's
at at the end of this coming year, he's gonna
be disappointed.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I mean, it just becomes organizational malpractice to the worst
possible level. If he doesn't extend and you go through
an entire season without trading him and then he just
walks away for nothing. I mean, if he's gonna walk away,
and like you said, if he doesn't extend and he
initiates it, that's a good signal that he's gonna end
up walking away. You got to get something out of
that or else it's a total swing of a miss.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Would you say to JP Barry, Gino's agent, who don't
forget JP Barry and Pat Prisoner the same agency.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yes, Pat represents sit.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Would you say to those guys, Okay, if Sid extends,
will reup Geno?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I like that, I like playing hardball with him like that.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Think they'd get pissed. I think Cidy get pissed.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
You know what, They're gonna get pissed, right at some point,
they're gonna gis.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We have to accept that they're gonna be ready. Yeah,
they're gonna be mad. Like let's they get everything they
want all the time.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Honestly, we have given them so much leash to not
get mad at this point too, this should have been
coming to twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I think Sid deserves every inch of that leash. But
once you tie yourself into others, which is very much
in play here, however, unspoken, that's a different story.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Do you think Sid genuinely believes too that they can win,
that they can like toe this lock in these both
worlds that they're trying to.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
One thing I really respect about Sid is that he
always thinks his team can win.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
No matter what.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, so he thinks mal can coming back definitely helps
them move forward.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know, you know he want that way sixty six.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Well, you've said that all the time, like Housty six.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Sometimes sometimes like here was here was a conversation that
with him one time, I forget what year, I go,
what do you think?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And he just kind of looks at me, goes, eh
about the team?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, yeah, you saw the expression they cannot Yeah but
yeah so so yeah, And again I feel dirty talking
about all these possibilities, but I think they do have
to be addressed, and I think probably will be sooner
than we think.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well, I just think too that if the deal's not
done now, right, like if they just didn't figure this
out with like, what are they possibly hammering out? Malcolm
wants two years, he wants more money now he forgets
that mar Aaron Rodgers esque. If that's what I'm saying,
my signal here is that they're gonna move on from him,
or at least Dubas is really trying to get the
ear of new ownership, the ear of everybody in that
organization and saying we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
By the way, I talked to Dubis off the record
and he said he has not seen Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh.
Oh wait a minute, that kind of puts it on
the record. I made it up anyway, Tom, what about
my opening statement that the Steelers have a seven million
dollar kicker highs paid in football and they still don't
know who their started quarterback is. Isn't that just right
(18:53):
up the alley of Art corleone the seconds.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It's embarrassing, it is, And I'm not saying that's embarrassing.
They gave that kicker that much money because that's the
market right now, and he is a great kicker, But
to have it presented like that you have no quarterback
yet you have the seven million dollar leg. It's just bad.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, as I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't give any kicker
seven million. I just don't think they're real football players.
And that makes me an old school fool. Well then
so be it. But somebody like the hate on me
for me on Twitter over this is saying that, yeah, yeah,
a kicker, and that shows what a soft football top
Pittsburgh has become when they're when they're idolizing a kicker.
(19:29):
And I and I said, you know what I said
on Twitter, and I this is a slight exaggeration, but
isn't that what Twitter's for? I said, he cried till
he got what he wants. That's the Steeler away. And
I'm like, when did he cry? He held in last year?
I remember that he refused to participate for a while
last year camp, am I right?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And the Steelers just ignored it. And remember he just
kind of sadly walked out in the field against Jacksonville
in the preseason game and kicked off and it was like, well,
I guess the Boswell holdens over now.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Did.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And somebody tweeted at me who was the kicker? I
forget this name? Uh, Baltimore's kicker was really.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Good last year? Who missed the before Tucker? Justin talker?
He got big Bundy at one point, right, Oh big money? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Can he get some kind of scandal?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yeah, massage stuff Watson. I don't know, No, I can't
confirm that. I'm sure a picture will come out soon though.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But somebody said, would you, uh would would would you
have said that when the Ravens paid Justin Tuck and go? Yes,
what part of I wouldn't give any kicker that kind
of money? Don't you understand?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
No, it's absurd, But teams don't draw lines in the
sands when it comes to we talked about this yesterday,
when it comes to any positions that are getting overpaid.
Quarterback gets overpaid for the middle tier of the quarterbacks
in the league. Kickers getting overpaid. They just don't want
to do it. They don't want to play hardball with them.
That's just the bar was set by Aubrey, so give
him seven mil.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You know what else?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Was a telling thing by Dubis today? Now see I'm
rememberance stuff now I'm old. So it goes in one ear.
How about how about Shelby?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, she was there, really nice, really talented too. She's
with Channel two.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Now yeah I believe.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, good for her because she's a.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Talent, but she's she's pregnant, and we're like sitting there
and everybody offers to give up their seat and she
doesn't want to take and finally I just go sit
the freaking out and like in like Kingkersky.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Then King Kersky moved over, like I go, what do
you make this? How bad does this make us look?
Me look like? Because it would have been on Twitter
Madden makes Pregnant. Yeah, yeah, it's just like I said, yeah,
a bit more power to her because she's, like I said,
she's she's like the B team, you know, gave her
short trip in their definitely and they're never an inquest
(21:31):
to have just one black guy and no women and
uh and and I'm glad to see Channel because she's
she's legit uh and pregnant.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And I let her sit down. In fact, I made
her sit down. But yeah, the U I was about
to say something revealing, oh oh. Dubas said on several
occasis that it is unique. He said that on several
occasions about several things. You know what that says? If
this guy's unique. The other guys aren't.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Am I right?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And referring to like the Tang and Gino and all
those other.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yus didn't He didn't refer to the tag in.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
That he's separating the class.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes, any and that's one thing that we've never done.
You've always said this, Yes is we is the Penguins organization.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
The fans, the media have always tried to make Geno
equivalent to Sid. It's not close. It's not close. I
would give Sid anything he wants, as long as he wants,
because he's unique.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Because I've heard it said Penguins fans are so weird
because they try to equate or excuse me, try to
equate Malcolm with Sid in that class. While as you
reference this too, they try to get Latang out of
there right like it's like, oh, you're just the add
on for the Big three, like it's really the duo. No,
it's the three.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And Tanger has three rings just like them, and and
Tanger was their best player in the.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Flyer series and I hate the stupid well they did
it without him in twenty seventeen. Who scored the game
winning goal in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, seriously, Tom, I know people that I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Guys hate Latang because he's good looking and their women
would rather sleep with him.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
You're not wrong about that, no, no question, no question.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You know what to think of announcing, Tom, We'll talk
about this later in the hour. I may announce my
retirement from traveling to see concerts.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Oh, I find that very hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's wearing me out. It's wearing me out.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
But if you drew like a circle, like a radius,
like Atlantic City is the farthest.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
To go, so that's travel. The distance is no problem
because I'm mostly flying fair just travel, Tom. I I
have like I have, like they're all brief trips to
be fair, but I have like like seven eight, seven
or eight trips this summer to see concerts or soccer,
and soccer is gonna stay.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Like if you have to lose one, it's gotta it's
gotta be the concerts, right, you gotta keep going to Liverpool.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
No, to Liverpool, but I'm going like the Nashville to see.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
See and then you're seeing some friendlies in the world.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
In Egypt, in Brazil, in Cleveland for a friendly I'm
seeing Scotland and Morocco in the World Cup.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
It is so awesome though it's hard to walk away
from it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
This is no offense to these guys because I like them,
but there are some groups who are maybe below the line,
even in my estimation. I'm a connyat in in Uh.
I think it's the weekend after a Memorial Day Angel,
who we've had Punky on Punky. They're at Jurgles in
the middle of that trip and Conyea's part way back
(24:11):
to you know what I mean? But do I really
want to blow off a night at Conyat to drive
frantically to see Angel withs I'm not sure I do.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Maybe you should be a little more picky. Maybe that's
what you do. Maybe you don't go cold turkey and
just quick completely, but you just get a little more
picky with the shore.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Here's how fed up I am. I'm not I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I had David Lee Roth tickets for Saturday in DC, right,
which would have meant Saturday, Yeah, WHI would have made.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
A trip to Jimmy's in Baltimore seafood.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Okay, I'm not going because there's an appearance I got
from the station for Calliente, that brewery they're doing that pumpkin.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Beer pineapple beer right there. Actually, yes, you can plug it.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
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And I'm mistaken that that dough Daddy's Caliente.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Right, I think so?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, collaboration.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, and I'm not gonna drink pumpkin beer ever, but Caliente,
my god, it's the best beats in time. And I'm
sure the beer is good, just pumpkin, although you know
what this is pineapple though it is a pineapple pineapple beer.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yes, it sounds great anyway, No, it does sound great.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
It's better than pumpkin.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I think I'm sure I'll try it anyway. No, I'm
just see. I why'd you make me plug that?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Now?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I ruined? But I'll be there three till five.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But anyway, so so I'm already looking to see David
Lee Ross somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I saw him twice last year. I just don't need
to see him anymore, but I can't help myself. You
said he was good though when you saw him right Like, No,
his voice is just awful, But he said he's still
a showman, like he can still move. He's still David
Lee Roth.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And he has the five black guys on stage behind
him doing background vocals.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Oh, they sound angelic.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
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Speaker 1 (26:52):
Tom, you know what people call David Lee Ross five
black backup singers did run a riser behind him in concert.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Could only imagine Van Harlem. That's pretty good. They call
that on stage though no here comes Van Harlom. That's
the fantaside nickname.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah. And it's like when I was at the M three,
the festival where Roth made his comeback, yeah, a little
over a year ago.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
A lady asked me, excuse me, but are are those
singers the Temptations? And I said, yes, they are, man,
it is isn't it great to see them?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Tom? Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Were we were perusing Twitter uh during the commercial break,
and it seems like most people are taking what Kyle
said in face value that he would love to have
Geno back and uh, YadA YadA.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, it does seem like that's the sentiment that Malcolm's
coming back and that Dubas is going to bring him back.
But I totally see where you were coming from there.
There was just some reading between the lines that you
could do. In that press conference, he.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Would if we would love to have Geno back, he
could already officially be.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Back, That's what I mean. He's already signed Doer and
uh yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So so when I stirring him calling Sid unique on
more than one occasion and in him using nostalgia to
refer to the Core three, and he didn't say nostalgia
in a demeaning way. He said, I forget what the
exact verb, but there's an element of nostalgia to deal
with something like that, right.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Yeah, And I think this might have been one of
the examples of him calling Sid unique. But when they
were talking about Carlson and Crosby's contracts extensions this offseason,
he puts it in a different class there too, where
he was like, Crosby's a bit different as far as
how we would approach him and Eric will do with it.
But so, like there's clearly been this line of delineation
that Dubis wanted to draw when it comes to Crosby,
and then when it comes to every single other asset
(28:37):
that he has.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, I think what we need to recognize is the
important thing is which is this column for the trip
writes itself. I could have this this em effort done
in like forty minutes forty five if I want to
be really creative.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Well, let's talk about some Bucco baseball for tonight. We
have to because they got to sweep the Rockies. Like
you said, sweet, it's non negotiable, and.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
This they've got to open up cushion at the top
of the wild card race. I wanted to jump on
that in the pack, so one way ticket to Plukaville.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I wanted to jump on that. What you said at
the beginning, where are like, well, it's.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Because by the way, let me just go ahead, let
me La and San Diego, whoever don't win that division
will definitely get one.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Wild probably the top one.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So there's two wild cards up for grass and.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
They're probably going to be your own division fighting for
it between the Brewers and the Cardinals. And if the
Reds still still stay around the.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Last unless they knock each other to crap and somebody steep.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't see that, but it could.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Happen, like maybe the Phillies, but I don't know. They've
kind of been struggling.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I would say two teams from the NL Central.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I think two teams from the NL Central are going
to be wild cards. Then obviously the NL Central champions,
so three teams will get in from that division. But
this notion that people have where it's like a it's
really don't worry about the buckos. These wins spend too.
You need these wins in May in April as well.
And when you play question, you play bad teams. In May,
you play bad teams in May. The Giants are a
bad team. You lost that series. That's a bad loss.
You have to counteract that by sweeping the Rockies. You
(29:57):
got your two top dogs on the mound two with
Keller tomorrow Skemes tonight. Laginsky starts the third day. Would
you have skipped him having a day off on Monday,
just passed right over him and gone to ashcraft.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I think he's pitched well enough that no, I would
not skip.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I think I am a little too hard on legendsky.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I just think my you don't like that he doesn't
have a defined role, which it would be in the bullpen,
he would know that he's a bulk relief guy who
happens to start.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, if he would just be assigned, does.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
The matter when he pitches the innings, if that's what
he goes like?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Four mostly right, four or five five pretty much at
the most.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I have no complaint with him.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
But either way, you've got your top two pitchers starting
this series against the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Well, you know what sucks about I was talking before
about how the bullpen shows signs that coming together. The
problem with with the bullpen, and it supplies to every
team in the majors. The starters get yanked so early. Yes,
you need like a seven man bullpen with everybody pitch
it in pretty good.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, I think that's and it's tough to criticize Kelly
because it's kind of just criticizing the analytic book when
you do this. But that's that's where I think they're
really doing a disservice. They're gassing their bullpen, which isn't
that great anyway, really early on in the season by
having them come in in the sixth inning all the time,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Well, who do you like in the bullpen? I like
Sodoto's a.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Really good reliever.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I still likes been my guy since we got him.
He's coming around.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I like Mason Montgomery too, I'll tell you I.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Hate and they seem to have lost some faith, not
all faith, but some faith, like as in making him
closer in Santana.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, but I think maybe that also just had to
do with Sodo's been so lights out that it's just
like kind of both of those things worked with each other.
Santana slipped a little bit, SODA's been great. Justin Lawrence
is the guy I hate, though. Anytime they throw this
Lawrence guy in there, it's just basically like waven the
white flag. He's the guy who gave up the run
against the Giants and they lost that game and it's
six point four to six y R. Is any the
guy in dodgeball Justin Lawrence? Yeah, No, you're thinking you're
(31:47):
thinking of Justin Long.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Oh it's not the same guy. No, it's not the
same guy.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I wish we had Justin Long that then we would
probably have a great middle reliever. But that's the one
guy that I think has just been terrible.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
But well, you know, you know, people criticize as you
Johan Ramirez.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I don't hate him.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
He's had some anxious moments and played a part in
some of the bad losses. But I always feel like
he just is one pitch away, like he throws the
bad pitch at the bad time.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
No, And I think he's actually been doing pretty decent
job late, like he's been bouncing back. See, I'm trying
to think of some other guys Mattson, I guess it's
been a little bit underwhelming.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Is that the guy from succession, No over the.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Succession And once again, if.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
He took over the company, he wouldn't have to pitch.
You didn't have enough money.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
You know, he's four to six seven e er right now.
Like that's no good. But but with Ramirez and Soto
and Satana and Montgomery, you're right, like there's there's a
bullpen that's trying to emerge there. They're just like maybe
a piece or two away from it falling into place.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Or not. I mean, I don't have like them.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Losing faith in Santana has me rattled about about the
prospects for the bullpen.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Well, and that's the other thing about the or not
aspect of the Pirates. You can apply that to everything,
because you're right, this is gonna come down to the
very end of the year.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The biggest negative factor with the Pirates is that Cruise
and Reynolds aren't living up to their.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Billing big time.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And sure a lot of a lot of the marks
out there think Cruise is because his good games are
fabulous and memorable and his long home runs and blah
blah blah. But he kills him in the field and
his averages dropped one hundred points in the last month.
Reynolds has one home run in his last twenty five games.
Case closed. They suck, they're killing him. Well, everybody tells
me they don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Cruz is supposed to be an MVP too, right, Like,
this guy's gonna be an MVP. He's not putting up
MVP numbers that average is thinking like a run.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Will credit Connor Griffin is stabilizing and improving, And people say, well,
you wanted to send them down, No, I said when
he was struggling mightily.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
They might have to consider that.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
They and they if he was still playing to this
date like he was when you broached that topic, they
probably should send him down. I wish they I.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Wish one of our teams would would win.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You know why, because never winning has made our fan
base for all the teams into a bunch of snarling
a holes, like like they just like they're so defensive
because they know their team isn't what they want it
to be, and they just say.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
We haven't taken this gracefully, have we? That this era
of Pittsburgh sports where I think we're now the out
of like cities with a Big three at least, I
think we've gone the longest without winning a single playoff
series or game now like we have the longest drout.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know what I'm gonna talk about.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
At the top of the hour, I got a big
Aaron Rodgers monologue, even though I hate it, hate the
idea of it, hate him.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I hate him at this point, Am I wrong in
hating him?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
When you doing at the top of that, we have
peer at the top of the.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Hour, a screwp Pierre. I'm talking about Aaron No? Is
that right? See I'm not at all organized with what square?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, my god, look at this Aaron Rodgers monologue. I
could use it tomorrow. You're gonna be signed by tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
You're gonna be signed by next week. Who do you
think signs first? Malcolm or Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Have they been seen together?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
You know what's pathetic by the way, like like you know,
it was predicted by some of the guys down the dial,
one of whom I like, one of whom I don't,
the other who's worthless, that that Rogers was coming to
Pittsburgh to talk to the Steelers and then sign. And
now since he didn't and show after said he wasn't here, period,
the bar has been moved to, Oh, he was here,
(35:04):
he just didn't talk to the Steelers. Well you're still wrong.
You got burned. You're not lying, you got burned. But
but he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Here, was he like weekend?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Any Does anybody think that he left California to come
to a better golf course here? And if somebody would
have seen him, somebody would have said.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Something to put the glasses on like we can at
Bernie's and put the hood up and like go incognito
everywhere he.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Came to golf here rich people take the picture right right,
because that would have been who he golfs with or
golf's at the same club as you would have seen
him and said something that had a selfie.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Tank, or even somebody that's on the T box that's
not in his group would have just been like, bang,
that's Aaron Rodgers. I'm gonna go viral.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
You think Aaron Rodgers THO would tell somebody significantly richer
than him to f off if ask for selfie?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah he would. Yeah, Okay, he was here one oh
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