July 16, 2026 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Well, well, well, I'm so sorry I wasn't on yesterday
to talk about the MLB All Star Game. You had
a shutout, you got one extra base hit the whole game.
Maybe if more of the actual All Stars had played.
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The highlight was the players watched fireworks in the outfield
with kids in the middle of the game.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Whoop doe do, Whoop de doo.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That Odell Beckham Junior thing last week where he said
making one hundred million over five years can't last you
a lifetime, well that's what other morlans out the woodwork
this NBA knit with CJ McCollum. He said the same thing.
How if you make two million, it gets chopped on
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to one million, YadA YadA, Like athletes are the only
people who pay tax and have.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Work related expense.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Sebastian Telfair an ex NBA guy, he made twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Million in ten years. He said it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Amounted to only a million per year after taxes.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And quote, that ain't no money.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Telfair really said that that ain't no money.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Unquote.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
He added that he was struggling because he had fourteen
brothers and sisters and his mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
To take care of and he just practically wept over
how tough it was.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Blah blah blah. Okay, here's an idea. Tell your fourteen
brothers and sisters to get a job. It's like Odell
Beckham Junior giving his mom four million per year. I
bet she could get by on like two hundred k
or less or a lot less. When I'd occasionally pay
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my mom's American Express bill. She'd want to have a
ticker tape parade. This is the Mark Madden Show. Welcome
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at Mark Madden X. We still don't know where Thom is. Frankly,
I'm not that concerned, and nobody else around here seems
to be either. Getting back to that stuff about how
millions aren't enough what some of these athletes are saying.
These guys have no clue how entitled and idiotic they
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sound when they say millions aren't enough. But they say
that happens because of three things A four things rather
A they're stupid, be they're entitled. See, they are totally
disconnected from real people, like say, for example, the fans
n D. They are easily manipulated by people like say,
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they're fourteen brothers and sisters, their childhood friends, they're entourage.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Whoever.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You look at my tax returns, I haven't made a
lot more than five million dollars total in my lifetime.
And I'm fine, very comfortable, no debt, Everything paid for
because I'm not a moron. I don't have kids, or
a wife, or an ex wife, or an entourage, or
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fourteen brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
But mostly it's because I'm not a moron. And the
voice of reason in.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
This regard supplied by Kyle Cosma place for Milwaukee in
the NBA, and he's gonna make twenty million dollars this
coming season, and he took these idiot poor mount whiners
to task.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
For there.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's not really a million spiel and Cosmas said, quote.
The problem isn't the system, it's the lifestyle. No one
told you to live like a king, to buy five
cars or move with a ten person entourage. Modesty is
allowed unquote, So bravo to Kyle Cozma.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
He also fixes the weather.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Good Now, let me tack on, Nobody told you to
have a fistful of baby mamas. Antonio Cromarty, the retired
NFL cornerback. He has fourteen kids by eight different women,
child support of three hundred and thirty k every year.
It says here, if Camarti said he's broke, I'd believe him.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
But he did make forty mill and he's tightened his belt.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
For example, he used to have a fleet of cars
and now he drives a Toyota Prius.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I worked with Kevin Nash and WCW n woh big
star made big money, and keV always said, you only
need one of everything, one car, one house, one wife,
words to live by. I don't love your comment on
any or all of that, as opposed to raging over
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who the pirate's gonna get, Who the pirate's gonna get,
Who the pirate's gonna get, Who the pirate's gonna get?
Can they get Chapman? Who the pirate's gonna get? Who
the pirate's gonna get? One of the answer is they'll
probably get nobody, big cause nutting don't want to add
no payroll. Everybody ignores that here's a guy we could get,
there's a guy we could get. What about this other guy,
Nutting doesn't want to add payroll, So if they do
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get anybody at the deadline, I expect it to be
very toking. I could be wrong, but I'm not. Some
hockey news moving. The peng was released their schedule a
little bit at a time until today when the whole
darn thing came out. The peng was open their season
September thirty at Philadelphia. The home openers October third against Montreal.
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I'm predicting two and oero. I'm predicting a hot start.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
God.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
After losing to Philadelphia the playoffs, it had sucked big
time to go there again.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And lose right away.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Steve Eiser got fired as general manager at Detroit. Things
got to go really bad for the club. Legend to
get the pink slip. Philadelphia didn't get Leo Carlson. Anaheim
matched that offer sheet, so they signed their own RFA,
Trevor Zegres, And they would have done this anyway, but
he got a big money deal. I'm not the biggest
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fan of him as a two way player, but he
is offensively gifted and he's great on shootouts and those
points counts. Anthony Manta, who was the Penguins leading goal
get of this past season before going to free agency.
He finally got signed after lingering on the market for
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a bit longer than I thought, and he signed for
not too much or for too long, got a deal
from Joysey two years, average annual value of forty seven
excuse me, forty seven million four point seven to five million.
He sucked in the playoffs and he's not too far
removed from knee surgery, and it felt like a contract
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year type of thing that he overachieved to get that
next deal. I don't blame New Jersey for signing him.
That's a reasonable ticket, but I don't think the Penguin
should have retained him at that price. I think that
they saw the real Anthony Manta in the playoffs and
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it weren't good.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Eight three three four one two wxx.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I would love your comments on Odell Beckham Junior saying
one hundred million, five years ain't enough, these other guys
McCollum and telfair saying that the fans don't understand how
the taxman takes half of everything. No, we understand that,
believe you, Me and Kyle Cousma, the Voice of Reason.
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I find stuff like that much more stimulating than who
they going to trade for? What about the bullpen? Can
they win the division? Can they make the playoffs? That said,
in my next segment to BUCO round Up, I will
explore briefly some of those topics, but I stand by
my original statement, which is they ain't gonna add much
because they ain't gonna add payroll. BUCO Round Up next
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one oh five to nine. It's time for the BUCO
round up and there's nothing to round up.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
White resumes tomorrow with Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Three games set with the Guardians, and you need.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
To come out of the gate hot and make a meaningful.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Acquisition soon and not the deadline, and get Leginski in
the rotation and work on trading O'Neal cruise. I expect
none of that will happen. In fact, we do have
breaking news. Here's the kind of acquisition they're gonna make.
It's being reported they got an outfielder, Robert Hassel the
third from Washington for either cash considerations or a player
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to be named later. He was dfa'ed by Washington on Sunday.
That's the kind of acquisition they're gonna make. I should
note that Houston is in cell mode. Traded McCullers who
said arm problems and Gordon both of them to Milwaukee,
but Euston selling and they're closer to will playoff berth
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in the Pirates. I bet the parents Pirates air on
the side of being sellers, air on the side of
not adding payroll, in fact shedding it if they can.
But I can't make up my mind what they do
with Brandon Law because even if they're way out of
the playoff race, to trade him would be awful optics.
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And that is the BUCO roundup for Thursday. Let's go
to our good friend now, the Hebrew hammer Hammer yak shamash.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Hey, yuk Shamas.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I just want to have some commentary on the football
player who said that that's a one hundred million is
not a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Odell Beckham Junior said that if you make one hundred
million over five years, there's no way to make that
last forever.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Okay, so you're you have a high IQ. You're a
high IQ individual.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yes, A lot of people like super genius.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
A lot of people might say that the football players.
If you said football players are dumb, A lot of
people are saying, well, that's that's a race, that's a
racial or it's a racism.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
No, the white ones are dumb too.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, well, when you say things like he says he's dumb,
he probably can't write a hundred million out as a number.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
He probably can't do that. He can't write a.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Hundred million out as as a word.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So he's just a dumb person.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't know about that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I do, I do know about How can you say
you don't know about that?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
But how can you say that's ninety that's more than
ninety nine percive.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I can tell you how.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We don't know because we've never seen him attempt to
do it. But but I think the main thing these
guys are is so detached from normal people and how
we live.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I have dumb people.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Some people were detached from how people live.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, well exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
But these guys more than most because they have the
money to make it seem as if they're important, and
all they do is play a game. I know that's
really cliche to play, and it's part of a multi
billion dollar industry. But when Odell Beckham Junior perishes from
this earth, when he shuffles off the mortal coil.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The world will little note nor long remember.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
In fact, he brew him right might suggest that one
of the things I will remember about Odell Beckham Junior
when I'm on my deathbed is how stupid he was
when he said one hundred million couldn't last him.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I mean, it's completely ignorant to.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Say that, and just on every level. Really to give
the guy a platform that isn't even worth it, I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, really, like for me too. I mean it's a
long three hours.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I got to give a lot of people don't deserve
a platform one. You got to like the Antonio Cramarti
now with this fourteen kids by eight different women, has
found a way to cut corner by driving a Toyota
Prius and then helps the environment too, if I'm not mistaken, well.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Especially on these smoky days. But you know what, he's
sort of like run our Test, the old NBA star.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
He once worked at best.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Buy in the offseason while he was playing. While he
was playing, I think probably had to do it, you know,
having too much child support. He went out and grinded
it out at best Buy.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I really, I mean I can't believe that, because no
matter how much child sport and he paid how much
of a den could best Buy put in it? Then again,
that's me being detached because a lot of best By
paychecks go to child support.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, I mean they weren't even paying like now they're paying.
Everybody's paying like sixteen seventeen dollars an hour our test.
They were probably paying like eight dollars an hour.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
What about the.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Guy McCollum bitching that he has fourteen brothers and sisters
to support.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Shouldn't they get a job?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He should have plenty, that's enough to support those people.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I mean like he's rich, you're rich?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
No, no, no, no, I can see if you have a
million dollars after taxes supporting fourteen brothers and sisters and
your mom and dad would be really tough.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Well, how much does he make, Like.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I said, after taxes, he has a million to support
seventeen people?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
C J.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
McCollum in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's your cue swammy.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'm kind of psyched about the British opens going on
right now. I know they like to call it the
Open Championship. Oh, we haven't talked about England blowing the
soccer match to Argentina yesterday. They like to call it
the Open Championship, hoity toity above all the others. But
you know what it might be. It might be its
real golf. It has those narrow fairways, the weather, the
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sea breeze. I don't know where it's at. I don't
care where it's at. I just know it's real golf.
I also know I won't watch one stroke of it
or talk about it past what I just did. Up next,
we got Stephen j Nesbit talking Buco Baseball here on
the x Mark joining me now at Talks and Bucco Baseball.
He is the senior MLB writer for the Athletic. It's
great to welcome back to the program, Stephen Jane ness Bit. Stephen,
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are the Pirates legit wildcard contenders? And if so, how legitimate?
Because there's a lot of traffic there.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yeah, there is. I mean we're just in our internal
company slacked his assets to put our predictions for postseason teams,
and I honestly spent quite a while looking at who
are your wild card picks for the National League because
it is packed. You know, the Dodgers and Brewers I
think are going to take the division, the titles in
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their respected divisions. I think that the Phillies probably get
ahead of the Braves, but it's close. And then you're
less than three spots. You're looking at the Cubs, You're
looking at whoever's left, Braves or Phillies, and then the
whole jumble of teams that are kind of surprising, Miami
Saint Louis, could they hang around? And then teams I
think are legit playoff type teams, Arizona, San Diego and
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the Pirates are right there. So it's a big jumble.
Would I feel real comfortable saying the Pirates are definitely
gonna beat out this group of Miami, Saint Louis, Arizona,
San Diego, Washington and Cincinnati. I don't know that I
feel real comfortable though. The Cincinnati has a long way
to make up, so they put themselves in a good spot.
But it's when you're not playing for the division title,
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which they aren't right now. With the way Milwaukee has
been the last few years, it's not easy to grab
one of these spots, even in an expanded playoff field.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, I'd feel a lot better if Paul Skeens was
pitching like Paul Skeins did his first two years, not
this year, and we don't know what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
His velocity's done. Is he always up?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But if he could somehow come back to the form
he had in the rest of the season, I think
that makes the parts a lock for a wild card.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean, and also along with him, if Jared
Jones is the guy who he saw in the last
two starts and and uh ideally see again in the
first game after the break here, I mean they have
we know, they've had a formidable potential for a playoff
one two in Jones and Skiings and haven't had the
chance to be in the playoffs and sort of show
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that up. And then you add in what Ashcraft has done.
You know, Mitch Keller is a I think a reliable
midg to back into the rocacing kind of starter. And
then of course Bubba. They have both the arms to
be dangerous in the playoffs and the arms. You stick
Bubba in the in the in the playoff bullpen, I mean,
I mean, yes, do they need to go get a closer,
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I think so, But put Bubba in the bullpen to
Vejinski does in the bullpen for for one inning at
a time, and that pitching staff gives him a lot
of options. But it's going to be up to whether
Skians is able to return to the two E R
a type guy we we got accustomed to seeing, and
whether the lineup, I think to me, can stay healthy
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enough to be keeping them in games. Because without O'Neill,
without Griffin, without even you know the way Andy is
hit this year, it's pretty pretty light in the in
the starting nine.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, you mentioned Leginski.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Would you be tempted to put him in the rotation
ahead of either Chandler.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Or Keller.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
For the playoffs or or the rest of the regular season.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Rest of the regular season.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I wouldn't really. I do think the best version of
the Pirates moving into the stretch run and into the
postseason is having Chandler having Jones, having schemes and ascots.
And I think Keller is a guy who has done
enough to be a reliable rotation arm. I don't know
that you're gonna need to absolutely maximize all of your
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young arms in the rotation, to be honest, the fact
of the way baseball works is you're probably gonna need
all six of those guys to be your five starters
down the stretch because someone's gonna get hurt. I don't
think they need to rush Majinski into the rotation. I
know he's he seems to have had some big feelings
about moving to the to the bullpen, But I think
you need to stick to your guns and whatever your
decision is and why you made it, and he'll get
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his opportunity when he gets it. There will be times,
but you look at the successful Pirates teams from a
decade ago. They had to get creative, especially at the
trade deadline when they added some arms and saying who
goes into which spots? And the most important thing is
who's ready to go on October first?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
What do the Pirates need to add most between now
and the trade deadline, which ain't that far off on
August third, Steve, and give give me a spot, give
me a couple of names you might have heard mentioned.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, I mean to me, it all comes down to
how serious are they going to get with the bullpen?
So a year ago, you know, position they're in is
how how big are they going to sell out aggressively?
Are they going to sell? And they sell with David Bednar?
Are the guys they got for Bednar? Are not you
contributing right now? We would have you know, I guess
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love to have seen more major league ready guys, but
that's just the reality of who's available, and I think
they have to go get a big back end of
the bullpen type arm. The problem is that when those
guys go, they are still expensive even rentals, and a
team like the Pirates is going to be low to
give up some of their some of their top prospects.
Maybe a reliever won't command that. But also it's it's
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all as that like the teams that has gotten some
of these big arms the last couple off seasons started
to trade deadlines, like Ryan Helsley ended up being a
pretty brutal, brutal ad last year. As good as he is,
he just didn't perform down the stretch, and so there
are arms out there. One complicating factor. Would it be
great to re add a role to Shapman to this, Yes,
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but the Boston Red Socks that kind of played themselves
back into the picture. How I probably not a good
look for them to be trading him despite how good
he's been. Could you get it Riley O'Brien from the Cardinals, Yes,
but they're also technically in it as well. And the
farther down you move down that list. I mean, it's
like we put out our trade dead on big Board recently,
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and Canny Janssen is one of I think the top
five guys out there. Hey, the Tigers may not trade
him and be is that really? I don't think he's
even armed. The Tigers an't necessarily trusting to be a
closer type arm for the playoffs if they were to
make it there. So is he really that big ad?
Or you can tell you follow the Tigers quite a
bit of the background in Michigan a year ago?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Would they do?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
They went and got h They went and got Finnigan
from the Washington Nationals. It was not nearly a big
enough move, but they said, we don't want to pay
the prices for the top end of the of the
relief market, and so they didn't and they simply didn't
have a good enough bullpen down the stretch and and
coming into the season the same deal.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So well, gonna go out and get that top end guy,
either whether it's Chapman or whoever. We're only namored with
Chapman because he pitched your prior. But I don't trust
pirates ownership to add payroll, and I bet Nutting feels
like he did enough in that regard in the off season.
And on top of that, I'm not sure they have
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sufficient trade capital.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Well okay, yeah, it depends on who we're talking about.
Probably they have enough to get a relief arm, certainly,
now I they don't. Maybe they don't have what it's
going to take to get a a Mason Miller, but
I don't think that guy's on the market right, A
controllable guy. Many years young fire Breather to get a
Chapman or something to have what it would take to
do that. Now it's about Notting willing to pay a
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couple extra million down the stretch. I don't know. If
you're not willing to, then we need to have a
larger discussion, which is the common discussion with this team,
which is how that's right do they take the how
seriously do they take the opportunities to make the playoffs?
Because you may like this team this year, you may
love this team this year.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Your belief in.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Their ability to make the postseason and be good in
the postseason, you know, may may vary there. But you
need to be able to add a couple of million
it's going to take to actually make a run in
the postseason. If you can't do that, then then you're
simply handcuffing the front office and not giving them a
chance to compete. And you can't make all your decisions
in December and January February. You have to have some
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flexibility to do some even moderate moves come this time
of year. It's just this is when you have a
better read of what you do and don't have with
your loster.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
We're talking to Steve and Jane Nesbit of the Athletic
here on the Mark Madden Show. Is there much chance
the Pirates will be sellers? I suspect not, because, like
you said, just about every team is in the playoff race.
That's why it's going to be tough to get Chapman
from the ram Socks at day's end.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And I think it would be terrible optics.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
For the Pirates to trade, say Brandon Law, no matter
where they're at the standings.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah, I think I have no idea, to be honest
with you, Mark, I don't know what they how much
they care about optics. I think there are those closer
to ownership that do care about Optics, but I don't
get the feelings the front office necessarily cares too much.
And to be honest, like if you were to if
you were to trade Brandon Law right now, it has
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been a tremendous ad for them so far in a
deal that has worked out really well. Given that Mike
Burrows has not been good in Houston, then I mean,
what are we doing here? Is the simplest way to
say it. You don't have Paul schemes that many more years,
you don't have Steven.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You're preaching to the choir. I totally agree, but you
know how this organization is. I wouldn't trust Bob Nutting
to wash my car. The only reason I think that
the Law Optics, if they traded.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Him, might be something they wouldn't want.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To bear is because they were finally getting credit for
taking a run with trading for Law signing O'Hearn, and
that would reverse that in a very dramatic and poorly
met fashion.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
I think the Optics hit the reputational hit you take
from making a move like that when you are still
presumably at least in realistic striking distance of the playoffs.
I don't see them losing, you know, they was fourteenth straight,
then okay, maybe they do make a move like that
for self preservation, but just think of the value you're
getting back for these guys. It will not be exceptional,
even as they're having a great year. The cost to
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get one year of Mike Burrows was you know, mid
level prospect and sorry, one year Brandon Miles was Mike
Burrows in a mid level prospect. Okay, fine, But for
two months of Brandon Lyle, who's going to give up
a top ten prospect. I don't see it happening. And people,
you know, we'll see his true value once free agency
actually opens here. But I think a lot of teams
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still believe he is the guy that he was in Tampa,
which is can go on really really hot stretches, not
a really reliable defensive second basemen. They see him as
more of a corner guy. It could hit or not
great hitter. So not a difference to make that they're
gonna they're gonna give a top you know, one hundred
prospects for So if those deals are not out if
those offers, the not bowl you over prospect offer isn't
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out there, then I don't see the value in trading him.
I think you give yourself your team as good a
chance as they can to make the playoffs this season,
and if you don't make it, you say, well, we tried.
We gave them as good as a chance as we
were I guess willing to give them based on this payroll.
But you're just not going to get that much back
to those two guys.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Is valved As for real or is it too small
a sample to say that?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Yes? And yes, so he is for real? And the
Pirates have long talked about this sort of power and
and how how real it is, and the question for
a long time was sort of where is he going
to fit on the field, and the injuries the season
kind of even never say like work to their advantage,
but it gave them some options to see some of
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these younger guys play. And we've gone through a number
of years mark watching just like very I think low
ceiling bats come up to the majors when the Pirates
needed an extra guy, and for Valdez to come up
and start producing immediately, but also give you the sort
of spark that you're seeing around baseball, Like people around
baseball are noticing this guy that people in fantasy league
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start saying, what's up with this guy? And the pirates?
When you started a year with you know, Marcella Zuna
in the every day starting nine and people were not
feeling great about sort of that power guy in the lineup.
Valdez has been that. I don't know if he can
do it this consistently once the league starts to figure
him out and understand his tendencies. But I think the
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power is real. Whether that's a guy coming off the
bench and say the playoffs, or or being an everyday outfielder,
he has some real upside that the team is like
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
If you cussed Valdez to any degree, would you consider
trading O'Neil Cruz because that would bring big return. I
have long since been frustrated by his inconsistency, and you
got Valdez, Reynolds, o'hearne, and Mangham as an outfield rotation
with with somebody going through the d H, would you
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consider that if the return were right? Uh?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
No, short answers, No, I think they If they're going
to trade O'Neill Cruz, it should be an offseason move.
I don't think Mangham should be an everyday player. I
know he's hit really well. I think your your team
is best when he is the fourth outfielder. Is going
to come in for defensive purposes. He's going to have
a good a good platoon at back here, a good matchup.
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He does everything well. He was not the upside of
a guy like o'niell Cruz.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
But when Cruise is back, Mangum's the fifth outfielder.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
True, true, I think if you were putting together a
playoff roster, you would find a spot for Mangum. I
don't I wouldn't feel as nearly as good about their lineup,
which lacks pop, which lacks you know, historically the last
few years, has lacked the ability to put the ball
in the seats. I wouldn't want to take a guy
out of that lineup. Despite his pretty horrific strikeout rate
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at times, I would not take him out of the lineup,
especially if I'm dreaming still perhaps that he can play
a solid center field and he's going to make some
awful mistakes out there, But the upsign that you get
compared to what that position is across the league is
pretty huge. I don't think this team can afford to
give away that back.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, I mean, I feel you. I'm just tired of
waiting for this massive potential. I'm trying. I'm tired of
waiting for the focus to be consistent. I'm just tired
of O'Neill Cruz to tell you the truth. But but
I but I see your point. Okay, Steven, you had
these these high level meetings. Who's going to get the
playoff spots in the National League? Give me division winners
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and wild cards?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Okay, let me let me pull up what I have.
I have Dodgers, Brewers, and Sillies winning their divisions. And
my initial pick here was to have the Braves, Cubs
and Arizona Diamondbacks. Although I did go back, I'll be
honest with you. I went back unchecked the Diamondbacks after
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looking up and down their roster in their schedule, and
I did pick the Pirates. I don't feel confident in that,
but I guess somebody's got somebody got to pick the
buck es.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Is it fair to say that the Braves in Cubs
or the Phillies and Cubs are just about locks to
make it in your mind, and that the other teams
are fighting for the last available spot.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, like locks is. Locke is maybe over overstating it,
but I do feel like they're in a different tier
they're likelihood of making it. I also think all three
of these teams that are in this mix of Braves,
Brave and Phillies, one of whom will win the divisional
likelihood and the Cubs they are much more likely to
make a significant move the trade deadline, which is where
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I have them up a tier. Are the Marlin's going
to make a huge move. Probably not the Cardinals, they
weren't planning to be here. The same as said about
the Nationals. I don't think either of those teams is
gonna go crazy. You know, the Padres have the history
of doing that, so they they could put themselves in
the position. You know, start of a year, you probably
would have had them as as as a team that's
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ahead of the Pirates in that pecking order. But the
way the Pirates have played, of course they've earned a
spot in the conversation. So a lot of it comes
down to how aggressive are they willing to be and
if the again, as you and Ivan saying, like, if
you're not gonna be aggressive now, I don't know when
you're going to be so so they belong in this spot.
But I still feel like it's it's gonna be tough
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with the three or four teams, you know, nipping at
their heels or boxing them out.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Have the All Star Game and Home Run Derby in particular,
the former become utter waste of time.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
You said they also game first, right, Yeah? Yeah, I
mean okay.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And look who didn't play?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, I do, okay, largely, Yes, I think also game
is a waste of time. It also is a waste
of time. I think it basically every other sport. So
it's a it's a situation, you know. I've written about
this in different mail bags recently too, so I put
some thought into it.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Is.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yes, I think the game is broken. I don't think
it's intrigued to it. I don't know what the fix
exactly is other than just kind of completely I guess,
you know, blowing up the format of it and going
some sort of making enough style of of having some
more fun with it. I'd be fine, But I don't care.
Cleveland and players aren't making it a priority to be at
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that game, you know, the first time guys of course
they love It's a huge career accomplishment. The guy who's
made it four times already and might you know, might
have a nagging forearm, he's going to pretty quickly opt
out of that. And the homow Derby, I think it's
really I think it's still a fun thing, and as
far as like a marketing thing for baseball, it's good.
The numbers have been pretty good, it seems. I can't
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tell TV numbers yet, those haven't been released. But if
you just look at like sort of our live blogs
and sort of content off of that, people really show
up for the home run Deerby, they don't really show
up for the All Star Game. So I don't know
what the answer is. I don't know that you can
do one without the other, although I suppose you could
just stage a home run derby and give everyone else
just like a star sent to them in the mail
or something. But it's an All Star game. I don't
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think it's a good product. I don't know what they
would ever consider doing instead of it, or doing to
alter it.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Well, And the problem is baseball players are so ingrained
in the coming and going as they please at this point,
as I think we're going to find out with a
lengthy labor dispute before the twenty seven season, if that
season ever even happens. But now there's talk that if
MLB puts players in the Olympics, that some players just
might not want to play in that either, and that
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I never heard of such a thing. How many NHL
NBA players turned down the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Yeah, I mean that would be a really interesting one too,
becau it's a very limited pool of teams that are
even going to be involved. I think by the time
that team comes around, I don't think we'll have a
difficulty getting a lot of buy in. This is a
jockeying stage as everything is in baseball right now, between
the players union and Major League Baseball itself, the league
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office and the owners. So I think everything is sort
of seen as a negotiation at this stage. But I
think I would look more than anything at the success
of the last couple of World Baseball Classics and the
momentum there, not just with fans, but the momentum with players.
Players are much more interested to play today than they
were three or four cycles ago. I would imagine the
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Olympics coming around would be met with a lot of
interest in players. I don't think getting participation is going
to be a problem on that stage.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Steven, thank you so much for taking the time. Great
work at the Athletic. We'll talk again soon, I hope.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Thanks Mark.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I'm going Stephen Jane Esbit from the Athletic.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
We got to Fabo from the Athletic talking Steelers at
the bottom of the hour, and at the top of
the hour, I got more Steeler optimism because I keep
hearing good things one oh five to nine and it's
double m on the acts. Great having Stephen j and
esben On, formerly of the Post Gazette, now with the Athletic.
And to follow up on our discussion about the wildcard
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race in the National League.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Today's trifecta is my predicted order of.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Finish in the Nation League Wildcard race and it is
number one either Philadelphia or Atlanta, whoever doesn't win that division.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Number two Chicago Cups.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Number three your Pittsburgh Pirates, if they add significantly at
the deadline, if they get a Chapman, if they get
someone to constraint not that bullpen. If the Pirates doone,
I'm gonna go with Saint Louis. They just seem wired
to overachieve on the year. The trifecta brought to us
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by Danny's Petron Hogy's family owned and operated since nineteen sixty.
That's Danny's en Route eighty eight in Bethel Park. We
talked about some hockey news earlier. The Penguins schedule is out.
Ierman got canned at Detroit as general manager. Philadelphia signed
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their own restricted free agent, Trevor Ziegres.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
To a long term deal.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
New Jersey signed Anthony Mantup and the Penguins didn't. I
think both teams made the right decision, and the Penguins
just made it official with the news release they have
cut ties with Wheeling as their ECHL affiliate. Their new
ECHL affiliate that's hockey level, will be the Florida Everblades,
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who are already owned by the Hoffman group. And people
in Wheeling are pissed, and some of the Penguin fans,
I don't know if you went down to West Banco
to see games occasionally or what.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Are mad about?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
It look too bad for Wheeling. They're independently owned. Hopefully
they'll get another affiliation. I'm sure they will survive. What
did you expect the Hoffmans to do? Say, well, we
own this team in Florida. Bit, we feel like we
owe Wheeling something, so we're going to own this team
in Florida, yet go through the expense of having the
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affiliate and Wheeling. I will say it's a nice little
triangle between Major League Triple A and Double A with
Pittsburgh Wilkes and Wheeling. And now it's going to be
Pittsburgh wilkeson all the way down there in Florida. But
air travel's pretty comprehensive in this. I don't think it'll
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be a big deal, he said sarcastically. And it's fine.
Don't get mad. You just want to get mad. Screw Wheeling.
To be honest, they.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Were like third.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Bottom in in the East Coast League in attendance last year.
They'll get another affiliation. If not, well, then they won't
have hockey anymore, and that'll be too bad. And I
hope it doesn't happen. But there's nothing wrong with what
the Penguins and the Hoffmans are doing. Eight three to
three or one two wxdx the number to call eight
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three three four one two wxdx. I just know what
I'm saying about the Pirates in their need to hit
big at the deadline.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
They are not good enough right now to make the playoffs.
They're just not.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
They're too inconsistent. The bullpen lets them down too many times.
I would tray cruiz nesbit won't, but I would want
that big return. I would go out on a limb.
I would take a chance because that's what it'll take
for this team to make the playoffs or contend to
win a round of the playoffs, which should be the
real goal, not just eking in to a postseason birth.
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But I don't trust nothing to do that. I don't
trust him to add payroll. I don't trust him to
make big moves. People are on the Sherrington bandwagon now
because he made a couple good gets. He's still done
more bad on his tenure than he has good. And
what he did good recently, such as signing o'hearne and
acquiring Lyle via trade, was because Nutting gave him more
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money to work with. Now does that mean he's been shackled?
Does that mean he's not to blame for prior failures.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I don't know. I really don't care.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I just know they need to go out and make
a splash. I've been saying at the dadline, But I
emphasized earlier, before that, make that move before that, get
someone to help you asap.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Do it now.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
But that's tough to do too, because so many tea
still in the playoff race. As Nesbit pointed out, people
look at the Red Sox. They were way out of it.
Now they're climbing back into it. And if they're gonna
be in it, they need Chapman. When six teams in
each league make the playoffs, that's not a ton that's
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not giving too many playoff bursts like you can say
some sports do when they're certainly accused of. But six
out of fifteen in each league keeps teams in the
race forever, keeps teams in the race forever. It's gonna
be hard to find many abject sellers until closer to
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the deadline, which ain't that far away.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
At August third.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And we hear this talk don to dial about getting
Mason Miller. I don't know if San Diego's gonna trade
Mason Miller. I wouldn't think they should, given that he's
the best reliever in baseball, given that fastball. I'm given
that there's still years of arbitration control. But if they
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do trade them, the pirates won't get them. The pirates
will not give up what it takes. It's fanciful to
even talk about that. It's foolish to even talk about that.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
In just a moment, I'm going to tell you the
good things I'm hearing about the stillers.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I'm going to talk to you about my trip to
Columbus to watch ac DC and some other stuff that
went on on the campus of the Ohio State University.
And I got a little follow up on that story
from last week that pull up NFL players the top
one hundred NFL players, where Lamar Jackson dropped from number
two to number sixty nine, because there is certainly a
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lot of fallout to that. Well, by fallout, I mean
verbal diarrhea, maybe even explosive verbal diarrhea.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
We're hearing far too much about that in the New
Whose Lately.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
And then we got the fable at the bottom of
the hour one oh five nine Hour one oh five
nine
Well, well, well, I'm so sorry I wasn't on yesterday
to talk about the MLB All Star Game. You had
a shutout, you got one extra base hit the whole game.
Maybe if more of the actual All Stars had played.
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The highlight was the players watched fireworks in the outfield
with kids in the middle of the game.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Whoop doe do, Whoop de doo.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That Odell Beckham Junior thing last week where he said
making one hundred million over five years can't last you
a lifetime, well that's what other morlans out the woodwork
this NBA knit with CJ McCollum. He said the same thing.
How if you make two million, it gets chopped on
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to one million, YadA YadA, Like athletes are the only
people who pay tax and have.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Work related expense.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Sebastian Telfair an ex NBA guy, he made twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Million in ten years. He said it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Amounted to only a million per year after taxes.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And quote, that ain't no money.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Telfair really said that that ain't no money.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Unquote.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
He added that he was struggling because he had fourteen
brothers and sisters and his mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
To take care of and he just practically wept over
how tough it was.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Blah blah blah. Okay, here's an idea. Tell your fourteen
brothers and sisters to get a job. It's like Odell
Beckham Junior giving his mom four million per year. I
bet she could get by on like two hundred k
or less or a lot less. When I'd occasionally pay
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my mom's American Express bill. She'd want to have a
ticker tape parade. This is the Mark Madden Show. Welcome
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at Mark Madden X. We still don't know where Thom is. Frankly,
I'm not that concerned, and nobody else around here seems
to be either. Getting back to that stuff about how
millions aren't enough what some of these athletes are saying.
These guys have no clue how entitled and idiotic they
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sound when they say millions aren't enough. But they say
that happens because of three things A four things rather
A they're stupid, be they're entitled. See, they are totally
disconnected from real people, like say, for example, the fans
n D. They are easily manipulated by people like say,
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they're fourteen brothers and sisters, their childhood friends, they're entourage.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Whoever.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You look at my tax returns, I haven't made a
lot more than five million dollars total in my lifetime.
And I'm fine, very comfortable, no debt, Everything paid for
because I'm not a moron. I don't have kids, or
a wife, or an ex wife, or an entourage, or
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fourteen brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
But mostly it's because I'm not a moron. And the
voice of reason in.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
This regard supplied by Kyle Cosma place for Milwaukee in
the NBA, and he's gonna make twenty million dollars this
coming season, and he took these idiot poor mount whiners
to task.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
For there.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's not really a million spiel and Cosmas said, quote.
The problem isn't the system, it's the lifestyle. No one
told you to live like a king, to buy five
cars or move with a ten person entourage. Modesty is
allowed unquote, So bravo to Kyle Cozma.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
He also fixes the weather.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Good Now, let me tack on, Nobody told you to
have a fistful of baby mamas. Antonio Cromarty, the retired
NFL cornerback. He has fourteen kids by eight different women,
child support of three hundred and thirty k every year.
It says here, if Camarti said he's broke, I'd believe him.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
But he did make forty mill and he's tightened his belt.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
For example, he used to have a fleet of cars
and now he drives a Toyota Prius.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I worked with Kevin Nash and WCW n woh big
star made big money, and keV always said, you only
need one of everything, one car, one house, one wife,
words to live by. I don't love your comment on
any or all of that, as opposed to raging over
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who the pirate's gonna get, Who the pirate's gonna get,
Who the pirate's gonna get, Who the pirate's gonna get?
Can they get Chapman? Who the pirate's gonna get? Who
the pirate's gonna get? One of the answer is they'll
probably get nobody, big cause nutting don't want to add
no payroll. Everybody ignores that here's a guy we could get,
there's a guy we could get. What about this other guy,
Nutting doesn't want to add payroll, So if they do
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get anybody at the deadline, I expect it to be
very toking. I could be wrong, but I'm not. Some
hockey news moving. The peng was released their schedule a
little bit at a time until today when the whole
darn thing came out. The peng was open their season
September thirty at Philadelphia. The home openers October third against Montreal.
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I'm predicting two and oero. I'm predicting a hot start.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
God.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
After losing to Philadelphia the playoffs, it had sucked big
time to go there again.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And lose right away.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Steve Eiser got fired as general manager at Detroit. Things
got to go really bad for the club. Legend to
get the pink slip. Philadelphia didn't get Leo Carlson. Anaheim
matched that offer sheet, so they signed their own RFA,
Trevor Zegres, And they would have done this anyway, but
he got a big money deal. I'm not the biggest
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fan of him as a two way player, but he
is offensively gifted and he's great on shootouts and those
points counts. Anthony Manta, who was the Penguins leading goal
get of this past season before going to free agency.
He finally got signed after lingering on the market for
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a bit longer than I thought, and he signed for
not too much or for too long, got a deal
from Joysey two years, average annual value of forty seven
excuse me, forty seven million four point seven to five million.
He sucked in the playoffs and he's not too far
removed from knee surgery, and it felt like a contract
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year type of thing that he overachieved to get that
next deal. I don't blame New Jersey for signing him.
That's a reasonable ticket, but I don't think the Penguin
should have retained him at that price. I think that
they saw the real Anthony Manta in the playoffs and
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it weren't good.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Eight three three four one two wxx.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I would love your comments on Odell Beckham Junior saying
one hundred million, five years ain't enough, these other guys
McCollum and telfair saying that the fans don't understand how
the taxman takes half of everything. No, we understand that,
believe you, Me and Kyle Cousma, the Voice of Reason.
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I find stuff like that much more stimulating than who
they going to trade for? What about the bullpen? Can
they win the division? Can they make the playoffs? That said,
in my next segment to BUCO round Up, I will
explore briefly some of those topics, but I stand by
my original statement, which is they ain't gonna add much
because they ain't gonna add payroll. BUCO Round Up next
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one oh five to nine. It's time for the BUCO
round up and there's nothing to round up.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
White resumes tomorrow with Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Three games set with the Guardians, and you need.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
To come out of the gate hot and make a meaningful.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Acquisition soon and not the deadline, and get Leginski in
the rotation and work on trading O'Neal cruise. I expect
none of that will happen. In fact, we do have
breaking news. Here's the kind of acquisition they're gonna make.
It's being reported they got an outfielder, Robert Hassel the
third from Washington for either cash considerations or a player
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to be named later. He was dfa'ed by Washington on Sunday.
That's the kind of acquisition they're gonna make. I should
note that Houston is in cell mode. Traded McCullers who
said arm problems and Gordon both of them to Milwaukee,
but Euston selling and they're closer to will playoff berth
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in the Pirates. I bet the parents Pirates air on
the side of being sellers, air on the side of
not adding payroll, in fact shedding it if they can.
But I can't make up my mind what they do
with Brandon Law because even if they're way out of
the playoff race, to trade him would be awful optics.
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And that is the BUCO roundup for Thursday. Let's go
to our good friend now, the Hebrew hammer Hammer yak shamash.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Hey, yuk Shamas.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I just want to have some commentary on the football
player who said that that's a one hundred million is
not a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Odell Beckham Junior said that if you make one hundred
million over five years, there's no way to make that
last forever.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Okay, so you're you have a high IQ. You're a
high IQ individual.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yes, A lot of people like super genius.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
A lot of people might say that the football players.
If you said football players are dumb, A lot of
people are saying, well, that's that's a race, that's a
racial or it's a racism.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
No, the white ones are dumb too.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, well, when you say things like he says he's dumb,
he probably can't write a hundred million out as a number.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
He probably can't do that. He can't write a.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Hundred million out as as a word.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So he's just a dumb person.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't know about that. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I do, I do know about How can you say
you don't know about that?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
But how can you say that's ninety that's more than
ninety nine percive.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I can tell you how.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We don't know because we've never seen him attempt to
do it. But but I think the main thing these
guys are is so detached from normal people and how
we live.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I have dumb people.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Some people were detached from how people live.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, well exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
But these guys more than most because they have the
money to make it seem as if they're important, and
all they do is play a game. I know that's
really cliche to play, and it's part of a multi
billion dollar industry. But when Odell Beckham Junior perishes from
this earth, when he shuffles off the mortal coil.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The world will little note nor long remember.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
In fact, he brew him right might suggest that one
of the things I will remember about Odell Beckham Junior
when I'm on my deathbed is how stupid he was
when he said one hundred million couldn't last him.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I mean, it's completely ignorant to.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Say that, and just on every level. Really to give
the guy a platform that isn't even worth it, I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, really, like for me too. I mean it's a
long three hours.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I got to give a lot of people don't deserve
a platform one. You got to like the Antonio Cramarti
now with this fourteen kids by eight different women, has
found a way to cut corner by driving a Toyota
Prius and then helps the environment too, if I'm not mistaken, well.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Especially on these smoky days. But you know what, he's
sort of like run our Test, the old NBA star.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
He once worked at best.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Buy in the offseason while he was playing. While he
was playing, I think probably had to do it, you know,
having too much child support. He went out and grinded
it out at best Buy.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I really, I mean I can't believe that, because no
matter how much child sport and he paid how much
of a den could best Buy put in it? Then again,
that's me being detached because a lot of best By
paychecks go to child support.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, I mean they weren't even paying like now they're paying.
Everybody's paying like sixteen seventeen dollars an hour our test.
They were probably paying like eight dollars an hour.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
What about the.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Guy McCollum bitching that he has fourteen brothers and sisters
to support.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Shouldn't they get a job?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He should have plenty, that's enough to support those people.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I mean like he's rich, you're rich?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
No, no, no, no, I can see if you have a
million dollars after taxes supporting fourteen brothers and sisters and
your mom and dad would be really tough.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Well, how much does he make, Like.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I said, after taxes, he has a million to support
seventeen people?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
C J.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
McCollum in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's your cue swammy.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'm kind of psyched about the British opens going on
right now. I know they like to call it the
Open Championship. Oh, we haven't talked about England blowing the
soccer match to Argentina yesterday. They like to call it
the Open Championship, hoity toity above all the others. But
you know what it might be. It might be its
real golf. It has those narrow fairways, the weather, the
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sea breeze. I don't know where it's at. I don't
care where it's at. I just know it's real golf.
I also know I won't watch one stroke of it
or talk about it past what I just did. Up next,
we got Stephen j Nesbit talking Buco Baseball here on
the x Mark joining me now at Talks and Bucco Baseball.
He is the senior MLB writer for the Athletic. It's
great to welcome back to the program, Stephen Jane ness Bit. Stephen,
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are the Pirates legit wildcard contenders? And if so, how legitimate?
Because there's a lot of traffic there.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yeah, there is. I mean we're just in our internal
company slacked his assets to put our predictions for postseason teams,
and I honestly spent quite a while looking at who
are your wild card picks for the National League because
it is packed. You know, the Dodgers and Brewers I
think are going to take the division, the titles in
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their respected divisions. I think that the Phillies probably get
ahead of the Braves, but it's close. And then you're
less than three spots. You're looking at the Cubs, You're
looking at whoever's left, Braves or Phillies, and then the
whole jumble of teams that are kind of surprising, Miami
Saint Louis, could they hang around? And then teams I
think are legit playoff type teams, Arizona, San Diego and
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the Pirates are right there. So it's a big jumble.
Would I feel real comfortable saying the Pirates are definitely
gonna beat out this group of Miami, Saint Louis, Arizona,
San Diego, Washington and Cincinnati. I don't know that I
feel real comfortable though. The Cincinnati has a long way
to make up, so they put themselves in a good spot.
But it's when you're not playing for the division title,
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which they aren't right now. With the way Milwaukee has
been the last few years, it's not easy to grab
one of these spots, even in an expanded playoff field.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, I'd feel a lot better if Paul Skeens was
pitching like Paul Skeins did his first two years, not
this year, and we don't know what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
His velocity's done. Is he always up?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But if he could somehow come back to the form
he had in the rest of the season, I think
that makes the parts a lock for a wild card.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean, and also along with him, if Jared
Jones is the guy who he saw in the last
two starts and and uh ideally see again in the
first game after the break here, I mean they have
we know, they've had a formidable potential for a playoff
one two in Jones and Skiings and haven't had the
chance to be in the playoffs and sort of show
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that up. And then you add in what Ashcraft has done.
You know, Mitch Keller is a I think a reliable
midg to back into the rocacing kind of starter. And
then of course Bubba. They have both the arms to
be dangerous in the playoffs and the arms. You stick
Bubba in the in the in the playoff bullpen, I mean,
I mean, yes, do they need to go get a closer,
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I think so, But put Bubba in the bullpen to
Vejinski does in the bullpen for for one inning at
a time, and that pitching staff gives him a lot
of options. But it's going to be up to whether
Skians is able to return to the two E R
a type guy we we got accustomed to seeing, and
whether the lineup, I think to me, can stay healthy
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enough to be keeping them in games. Because without O'Neill,
without Griffin, without even you know the way Andy is
hit this year, it's pretty pretty light in the in
the starting nine.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, you mentioned Leginski.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Would you be tempted to put him in the rotation
ahead of either Chandler.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Or Keller.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
For the playoffs or or the rest of the regular season.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Rest of the regular season.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I wouldn't really. I do think the best version of
the Pirates moving into the stretch run and into the
postseason is having Chandler having Jones, having schemes and ascots.
And I think Keller is a guy who has done
enough to be a reliable rotation arm. I don't know
that you're gonna need to absolutely maximize all of your
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young arms in the rotation, to be honest, the fact
of the way baseball works is you're probably gonna need
all six of those guys to be your five starters
down the stretch because someone's gonna get hurt. I don't
think they need to rush Majinski into the rotation. I
know he's he seems to have had some big feelings
about moving to the to the bullpen, But I think
you need to stick to your guns and whatever your
decision is and why you made it, and he'll get
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his opportunity when he gets it. There will be times,
but you look at the successful Pirates teams from a
decade ago. They had to get creative, especially at the
trade deadline when they added some arms and saying who
goes into which spots? And the most important thing is
who's ready to go on October first?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
What do the Pirates need to add most between now
and the trade deadline, which ain't that far off on
August third, Steve, and give give me a spot, give
me a couple of names you might have heard mentioned.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, I mean to me, it all comes down to
how serious are they going to get with the bullpen?
So a year ago, you know, position they're in is
how how big are they going to sell out aggressively?
Are they going to sell? And they sell with David Bednar?
Are the guys they got for Bednar? Are not you
contributing right now? We would have you know, I guess
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love to have seen more major league ready guys, but
that's just the reality of who's available, and I think
they have to go get a big back end of
the bullpen type arm. The problem is that when those
guys go, they are still expensive even rentals, and a
team like the Pirates is going to be low to
give up some of their some of their top prospects.
Maybe a reliever won't command that. But also it's it's
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all as that like the teams that has gotten some
of these big arms the last couple off seasons started
to trade deadlines, like Ryan Helsley ended up being a
pretty brutal, brutal ad last year. As good as he is,
he just didn't perform down the stretch, and so there
are arms out there. One complicating factor. Would it be
great to re add a role to Shapman to this, Yes,
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but the Boston Red Socks that kind of played themselves
back into the picture. How I probably not a good
look for them to be trading him despite how good
he's been. Could you get it Riley O'Brien from the Cardinals, Yes,
but they're also technically in it as well. And the
farther down you move down that list. I mean, it's
like we put out our trade dead on big Board recently,
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and Canny Janssen is one of I think the top
five guys out there. Hey, the Tigers may not trade
him and be is that really? I don't think he's
even armed. The Tigers an't necessarily trusting to be a
closer type arm for the playoffs if they were to
make it there. So is he really that big ad?
Or you can tell you follow the Tigers quite a
bit of the background in Michigan a year ago?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Would they do?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
They went and got h They went and got Finnigan
from the Washington Nationals. It was not nearly a big
enough move, but they said, we don't want to pay
the prices for the top end of the of the
relief market, and so they didn't and they simply didn't
have a good enough bullpen down the stretch and and
coming into the season the same deal.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So well, gonna go out and get that top end guy,
either whether it's Chapman or whoever. We're only namored with
Chapman because he pitched your prior. But I don't trust
pirates ownership to add payroll, and I bet Nutting feels
like he did enough in that regard in the off season.
And on top of that, I'm not sure they have
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sufficient trade capital.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Well okay, yeah, it depends on who we're talking about.
Probably they have enough to get a relief arm, certainly,
now I they don't. Maybe they don't have what it's
going to take to get a a Mason Miller, but
I don't think that guy's on the market right, A
controllable guy. Many years young fire Breather to get a
Chapman or something to have what it would take to
do that. Now it's about Notting willing to pay a
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couple extra million down the stretch. I don't know. If
you're not willing to, then we need to have a
larger discussion, which is the common discussion with this team,
which is how that's right do they take the how
seriously do they take the opportunities to make the playoffs?
Because you may like this team this year, you may
love this team this year.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Your belief in.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Their ability to make the postseason and be good in
the postseason, you know, may may vary there. But you
need to be able to add a couple of million
it's going to take to actually make a run in
the postseason. If you can't do that, then then you're
simply handcuffing the front office and not giving them a
chance to compete. And you can't make all your decisions
in December and January February. You have to have some
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flexibility to do some even moderate moves come this time
of year. It's just this is when you have a
better read of what you do and don't have with
your loster.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
We're talking to Steve and Jane Nesbit of the Athletic
here on the Mark Madden Show. Is there much chance
the Pirates will be sellers? I suspect not, because, like
you said, just about every team is in the playoff race.
That's why it's going to be tough to get Chapman
from the ram Socks at day's end.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And I think it would be terrible optics.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
For the Pirates to trade, say Brandon Law, no matter
where they're at the standings.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah, I think I have no idea, to be honest
with you, Mark, I don't know what they how much
they care about optics. I think there are those closer
to ownership that do care about Optics, but I don't
get the feelings the front office necessarily cares too much.
And to be honest, like if you were to if
you were to trade Brandon Law right now, it has
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been a tremendous ad for them so far in a
deal that has worked out really well. Given that Mike
Burrows has not been good in Houston, then I mean,
what are we doing here? Is the simplest way to
say it. You don't have Paul schemes that many more years,
you don't have Steven.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You're preaching to the choir. I totally agree, but you
know how this organization is. I wouldn't trust Bob Nutting
to wash my car. The only reason I think that
the Law Optics, if they traded.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Him, might be something they wouldn't want.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To bear is because they were finally getting credit for
taking a run with trading for Law signing O'Hearn, and
that would reverse that in a very dramatic and poorly
met fashion.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
I think the Optics hit the reputational hit you take
from making a move like that when you are still
presumably at least in realistic striking distance of the playoffs.
I don't see them losing, you know, they was fourteenth straight,
then okay, maybe they do make a move like that
for self preservation, but just think of the value you're
getting back for these guys. It will not be exceptional,
even as they're having a great year. The cost to
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get one year of Mike Burrows was you know, mid
level prospect and sorry, one year Brandon Miles was Mike
Burrows in a mid level prospect. Okay, fine, But for
two months of Brandon Lyle, who's going to give up
a top ten prospect. I don't see it happening. And people,
you know, we'll see his true value once free agency
actually opens here. But I think a lot of teams
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still believe he is the guy that he was in Tampa,
which is can go on really really hot stretches, not
a really reliable defensive second basemen. They see him as
more of a corner guy. It could hit or not
great hitter. So not a difference to make that they're
gonna they're gonna give a top you know, one hundred
prospects for So if those deals are not out if
those offers, the not bowl you over prospect offer isn't
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out there, then I don't see the value in trading him.
I think you give yourself your team as good a
chance as they can to make the playoffs this season,
and if you don't make it, you say, well, we tried.
We gave them as good as a chance as we
were I guess willing to give them based on this payroll.
But you're just not going to get that much back
to those two guys.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Is valved As for real or is it too small
a sample to say that?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Yes? And yes, so he is for real? And the
Pirates have long talked about this sort of power and
and how how real it is, and the question for
a long time was sort of where is he going
to fit on the field, and the injuries the season
kind of even never say like work to their advantage,
but it gave them some options to see some of
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these younger guys play. And we've gone through a number
of years mark watching just like very I think low
ceiling bats come up to the majors when the Pirates
needed an extra guy, and for Valdez to come up
and start producing immediately, but also give you the sort
of spark that you're seeing around baseball, Like people around
baseball are noticing this guy that people in fantasy league
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start saying, what's up with this guy? And the pirates?
When you started a year with you know, Marcella Zuna
in the every day starting nine and people were not
feeling great about sort of that power guy in the lineup.
Valdez has been that. I don't know if he can
do it this consistently once the league starts to figure
him out and understand his tendencies. But I think the
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power is real. Whether that's a guy coming off the
bench and say the playoffs, or or being an everyday outfielder,
he has some real upside that the team is like
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
If you cussed Valdez to any degree, would you consider
trading O'Neil Cruz because that would bring big return. I
have long since been frustrated by his inconsistency, and you
got Valdez, Reynolds, o'hearne, and Mangham as an outfield rotation
with with somebody going through the d H, would you
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consider that if the return were right? Uh?
Speaker 5 (28:21):
No, short answers, No, I think they If they're going
to trade O'Neill Cruz, it should be an offseason move.
I don't think Mangham should be an everyday player. I
know he's hit really well. I think your your team
is best when he is the fourth outfielder. Is going
to come in for defensive purposes. He's going to have
a good a good platoon at back here, a good matchup.
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He does everything well. He was not the upside of
a guy like o'niell Cruz.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
But when Cruise is back, Mangum's the fifth outfielder.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
True, true, I think if you were putting together a
playoff roster, you would find a spot for Mangum. I
don't I wouldn't feel as nearly as good about their lineup,
which lacks pop, which lacks you know, historically the last
few years, has lacked the ability to put the ball
in the seats. I wouldn't want to take a guy
out of that lineup. Despite his pretty horrific strikeout rate
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at times, I would not take him out of the lineup,
especially if I'm dreaming still perhaps that he can play
a solid center field and he's going to make some
awful mistakes out there, But the upsign that you get
compared to what that position is across the league is
pretty huge. I don't think this team can afford to
give away that back.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, I mean, I feel you. I'm just tired of
waiting for this massive potential. I'm trying. I'm tired of
waiting for the focus to be consistent. I'm just tired
of O'Neill Cruz to tell you the truth. But but
I but I see your point. Okay, Steven, you had
these these high level meetings. Who's going to get the
playoff spots in the National League? Give me division winners
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and wild cards?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Okay, let me let me pull up what I have.
I have Dodgers, Brewers, and Sillies winning their divisions. And
my initial pick here was to have the Braves, Cubs
and Arizona Diamondbacks. Although I did go back, I'll be
honest with you. I went back unchecked the Diamondbacks after
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looking up and down their roster in their schedule, and
I did pick the Pirates. I don't feel confident in that,
but I guess somebody's got somebody got to pick the
buck es.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Is it fair to say that the Braves in Cubs
or the Phillies and Cubs are just about locks to
make it in your mind, and that the other teams
are fighting for the last available spot.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, like locks is. Locke is maybe over overstating it,
but I do feel like they're in a different tier
they're likelihood of making it. I also think all three
of these teams that are in this mix of Braves,
Brave and Phillies, one of whom will win the divisional
likelihood and the Cubs they are much more likely to
make a significant move the trade deadline, which is where
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I have them up a tier. Are the Marlin's going
to make a huge move. Probably not the Cardinals, they
weren't planning to be here. The same as said about
the Nationals. I don't think either of those teams is
gonna go crazy. You know, the Padres have the history
of doing that, so they they could put themselves in
the position. You know, start of a year, you probably
would have had them as as as a team that's
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ahead of the Pirates in that pecking order. But the
way the Pirates have played, of course they've earned a
spot in the conversation. So a lot of it comes
down to how aggressive are they willing to be and
if the again, as you and Ivan saying, like, if
you're not gonna be aggressive now, I don't know when
you're going to be so so they belong in this spot.
But I still feel like it's it's gonna be tough
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with the three or four teams, you know, nipping at
their heels or boxing them out.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Have the All Star Game and Home Run Derby in particular,
the former become utter waste of time.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
You said they also game first, right, Yeah? Yeah, I
mean okay.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And look who didn't play?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, I do, okay, largely, Yes, I think also game
is a waste of time. It also is a waste
of time. I think it basically every other sport. So
it's a it's a situation, you know. I've written about
this in different mail bags recently too, so I put
some thought into it.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Is.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yes, I think the game is broken. I don't think
it's intrigued to it. I don't know what the fix
exactly is other than just kind of completely I guess,
you know, blowing up the format of it and going
some sort of making enough style of of having some
more fun with it. I'd be fine, But I don't care.
Cleveland and players aren't making it a priority to be at
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that game, you know, the first time guys of course
they love It's a huge career accomplishment. The guy who's
made it four times already and might you know, might
have a nagging forearm, he's going to pretty quickly opt
out of that. And the homow Derby, I think it's
really I think it's still a fun thing, and as
far as like a marketing thing for baseball, it's good.
The numbers have been pretty good, it seems. I can't
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tell TV numbers yet, those haven't been released. But if
you just look at like sort of our live blogs
and sort of content off of that, people really show
up for the home run Deerby, they don't really show
up for the All Star Game. So I don't know
what the answer is. I don't know that you can
do one without the other, although I suppose you could
just stage a home run derby and give everyone else
just like a star sent to them in the mail
or something. But it's an All Star game. I don't
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think it's a good product. I don't know what they
would ever consider doing instead of it, or doing to
alter it.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Well, And the problem is baseball players are so ingrained
in the coming and going as they please at this point,
as I think we're going to find out with a
lengthy labor dispute before the twenty seven season, if that
season ever even happens. But now there's talk that if
MLB puts players in the Olympics, that some players just
might not want to play in that either, and that
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I never heard of such a thing. How many NHL
NBA players turned down the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Yeah, I mean that would be a really interesting one too,
becau it's a very limited pool of teams that are
even going to be involved. I think by the time
that team comes around, I don't think we'll have a
difficulty getting a lot of buy in. This is a
jockeying stage as everything is in baseball right now, between
the players union and Major League Baseball itself, the league
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office and the owners. So I think everything is sort
of seen as a negotiation at this stage. But I
think I would look more than anything at the success
of the last couple of World Baseball Classics and the
momentum there, not just with fans, but the momentum with players.
Players are much more interested to play today than they
were three or four cycles ago. I would imagine the
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Olympics coming around would be met with a lot of
interest in players. I don't think getting participation is going
to be a problem on that stage.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Steven, thank you so much for taking the time. Great
work at the Athletic. We'll talk again soon, I hope.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Thanks Mark.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I'm going Stephen Jane Esbit from the Athletic.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
We got to Fabo from the Athletic talking Steelers at
the bottom of the hour, and at the top of
the hour, I got more Steeler optimism because I keep
hearing good things one oh five to nine and it's
double m on the acts. Great having Stephen j and
esben On, formerly of the Post Gazette, now with the Athletic.
And to follow up on our discussion about the wildcard
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race in the National League.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Today's trifecta is my predicted order of.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Finish in the Nation League Wildcard race and it is
number one either Philadelphia or Atlanta, whoever doesn't win that division.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Number two Chicago Cups.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Number three your Pittsburgh Pirates, if they add significantly at
the deadline, if they get a Chapman, if they get
someone to constraint not that bullpen. If the Pirates doone,
I'm gonna go with Saint Louis. They just seem wired
to overachieve on the year. The trifecta brought to us
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by Danny's Petron Hogy's family owned and operated since nineteen sixty.
That's Danny's en Route eighty eight in Bethel Park. We
talked about some hockey news earlier. The Penguins schedule is out.
Ierman got canned at Detroit as general manager. Philadelphia signed
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their own restricted free agent, Trevor Ziegres.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
To a long term deal.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
New Jersey signed Anthony Mantup and the Penguins didn't. I
think both teams made the right decision, and the Penguins
just made it official with the news release they have
cut ties with Wheeling as their ECHL affiliate. Their new
ECHL affiliate that's hockey level, will be the Florida Everblades,
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who are already owned by the Hoffman group. And people
in Wheeling are pissed, and some of the Penguin fans,
I don't know if you went down to West Banco
to see games occasionally or what.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Are mad about?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
It look too bad for Wheeling. They're independently owned. Hopefully
they'll get another affiliation. I'm sure they will survive. What
did you expect the Hoffmans to do? Say, well, we
own this team in Florida. Bit, we feel like we
owe Wheeling something, so we're going to own this team
in Florida, yet go through the expense of having the
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affiliate and Wheeling. I will say it's a nice little
triangle between Major League Triple A and Double A with
Pittsburgh Wilkes and Wheeling. And now it's going to be
Pittsburgh wilkeson all the way down there in Florida. But
air travel's pretty comprehensive in this. I don't think it'll
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be a big deal, he said sarcastically. And it's fine.
Don't get mad. You just want to get mad. Screw Wheeling.
To be honest, they.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Were like third.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Bottom in in the East Coast League in attendance last year.
They'll get another affiliation. If not, well, then they won't
have hockey anymore, and that'll be too bad. And I
hope it doesn't happen. But there's nothing wrong with what
the Penguins and the Hoffmans are doing. Eight three to
three or one two wxdx the number to call eight
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three three four one two wxdx. I just know what
I'm saying about the Pirates in their need to hit
big at the deadline.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
They are not good enough right now to make the playoffs.
They're just not.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
They're too inconsistent. The bullpen lets them down too many times.
I would tray cruiz nesbit won't, but I would want
that big return. I would go out on a limb.
I would take a chance because that's what it'll take
for this team to make the playoffs or contend to
win a round of the playoffs, which should be the
real goal, not just eking in to a postseason birth.
(39:12):
But I don't trust nothing to do that. I don't
trust him to add payroll. I don't trust him to
make big moves. People are on the Sherrington bandwagon now
because he made a couple good gets. He's still done
more bad on his tenure than he has good. And
what he did good recently, such as signing o'hearne and
acquiring Lyle via trade, was because Nutting gave him more
(39:33):
money to work with. Now does that mean he's been shackled?
Does that mean he's not to blame for prior failures.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I don't know. I really don't care.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I just know they need to go out and make
a splash. I've been saying at the dadline, But I
emphasized earlier, before that, make that move before that, get
someone to help you asap.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Do it now.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
But that's tough to do too, because so many tea
still in the playoff race. As Nesbit pointed out, people
look at the Red Sox. They were way out of it.
Now they're climbing back into it. And if they're gonna
be in it, they need Chapman. When six teams in
each league make the playoffs, that's not a ton that's
(40:19):
not giving too many playoff bursts like you can say
some sports do when they're certainly accused of. But six
out of fifteen in each league keeps teams in the
race forever, keeps teams in the race forever. It's gonna
be hard to find many abject sellers until closer to
(40:40):
the deadline, which ain't that far away.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
At August third.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And we hear this talk don to dial about getting
Mason Miller. I don't know if San Diego's gonna trade
Mason Miller. I wouldn't think they should, given that he's
the best reliever in baseball, given that fastball. I'm given
that there's still years of arbitration control. But if they
(41:06):
do trade them, the pirates won't get them. The pirates
will not give up what it takes. It's fanciful to
even talk about that. It's foolish to even talk about that.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
In just a moment, I'm going to tell you the
good things I'm hearing about the stillers.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I'm going to talk to you about my trip to
Columbus to watch ac DC and some other stuff that
went on on the campus of the Ohio State University.
And I got a little follow up on that story
from last week that pull up NFL players the top
one hundred NFL players, where Lamar Jackson dropped from number
two to number sixty nine, because there is certainly a
(41:48):
lot of fallout to that. Well, by fallout, I mean
verbal diarrhea, maybe even explosive verbal diarrhea.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
We're hearing far too much about that in the New
Whose Lately.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
And then we got the fable at the bottom of
the hour one oh five nine Hour one oh five
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