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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Read, so be a baby the X at one twenty
years ago. My guess right now, I gave the Pittsburgh
Penguins equivalent of the Gettysburg address. It will live forever.
You heard it. We just played it. Let's welcome to
the program. Former Penguins coach Michelle Terry and Mike. It's
good to talk to It. Only seems like yesterday you
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did that ramp. But it's twenty years and we.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All remember it.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We all remember it. Are you surprised that the legend
lives on?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Surprise? First of all, this todays talking to you. It's
been a long time. Surprise. Yes, and no, you know
so it's almost like every year now it's twenty years ago.
So but I'll say, like the last five six years,
every time we get to that anniversary, you know there,
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they still put it on. So I can believe the
times go so fasted in twenty years. And it was
a tough night to be quite honest, But I'm glad.
I'm glad I did it honestly well.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
And to be clear, you knew exactly what you were
saying and doing. I didn't hear, but you said, watch
this like the Tom McMillan some of the Penguins pr
people right before, but we didn't know that. More importantly,
the players didn't know that there was a definite message there.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Correct. Oh, for sure. I was prepared for a week.
I you know what Mark I was. I was coming
up from the American League. We get in Wicksbury, we
got quite successfully there and we reached the final. We
established right with the culture of our team when I
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got there, and uh, I'm moving on to Pittsburgh, and
I knew exactly what's going on when me, your coach,
and the miners. To be quite honest, you know what's
happening with the team with the with the team in
the NHL, because there's some called up and the guys
are getting sitting down, so every tired they get sitting down,
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so you get a meeting with them and you kind
of get the feeling with what's happening with with with
the big teams. So there was some players, was really
honest with me, didn't liked the and they did not
like the way that thing was going. And honestly, I
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didn't like this what I saw because I was watching
the game again that was part of this organization, and
I didn't like what I saw on TV. So when
I moved on to Pittsburgh, well, I try to change
things from the inside, try to change a system that
is not always easy during the regular season because a
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lack of practice at time. And but I'm going to
tell you something, uh me and Mike you when we
came in. First of all, I didn't keep any assistant coaches.
One of the reason why I don't believe in that
because sometimes when you keep one or two, especially one guy, well,
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the players who were there, they gotta go see that
all assistant coach and they're going to complain to him
about what we try to do. So it was only
me and Mike hel and we worked extremely hard to
prepare the team and we have no results. And that
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fastremely quite a lot about the effort that team was
putting on the ice and the lack of intensity, the
lack of emotion. They were just going through through motion
and win or lose. It did not affect them. It
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was like, Okay, I show up, I play my game,
I move on, and we go to the next game.
So I try to be positive. Quite a few times
I did my teaching. I tried to support them and
after that, I try and change my recipe a bit
from the inside. People will not see what was going
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on behind the scene. And I was waiting. I was
prepared to that statement about a week ago. I let
the management know. I said, we're going nowhere. I mean,
if I keep going the same way I did, I was.
I was a young coach at the time, you know, Jail,
so so my philosophy was pretty simple. I break it,
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fix it and move let's let's move on. And I'd
lad I did it because I saw a result after
the long result. It's not when you're doing one of
those things, it's not a short result. But the next game,
even if we lost a few games in a row,
but the next game, I could tell the guy start
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to care about each other. They were they were in
a fight.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No let me let me interrupt, Mike. You played Columbus
the next game and you lost. But there were five
fights in involving a lot of the younger guys, and
clearly the younger guys got the message, and that's who
mostly was for.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Correct Well, you know, I tried to They got five fight, yes,
but the purpose of everything it was I was attacking
the integrity, you know, it's like and this is the
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respond right away. So it was not a matter of
win or losing. It was about, hey, I got to
show up that I please, that I care. And when
you have a group that's art to care about each other,
and now you could start to build something when you don't,
When you have a group that they don't care about
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each other, it's pretty damn hard to uh, to build
something solid and to change the culture. And the next game,
right from the face off we saw we saw I
think it was a right along guy in a fight.
And after that next shift, I can't remember who Andre was,
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and but I felt, I felt that they care about
each other. So that was that was the first step.
That was just the first step.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We're talking about Slitarian former Penguins coach here on one
oh five ninety X Mike. One thing I loved about
about the rant And I was there in the room
and I didn't know what was coming. But you didn't yell,
You didn't yell. It was very measured, and I thought
that made it all the more serious. I thought they
gave it more impact.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, Like I was walking down to the press conference
and I was with Tommy, tell me, and like he like,
Tommy is doing such a great job to prepare me
for a press every time I met the media, and
I kind of know what direction that and they did.
They did the same thing in montreality. He's preparing me.
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He's going to receive that type of question, you know,
so I said Tommy, I said, watch me. I don't
even remember the question. It was not about the question.
It was about my statement and uh, and especially that
game against a clienter, what could I chuck get to
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sid and after his score, his scorn a power play.
It's gonna the reaction on the bench. It's not normal
that nobody react or it seems mad. It was like, okay,
and we're talking about sitting Acrosby. I don't care. It
is eighteen years old. He's tried to establish himself in
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the NHL and but easier. He's the next it was
he was, he was the next Mariola MW. You know
when I came in in Pittsburgh, one of the one
of the first move that I did, I want to
I want to bring some younger the some one of
those young kids to Pittsburgh. And uh, I gave a
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nia on the jersey to say it says one of
the first move that I did try to send the
message to the team that hey, we're building, we try
to we try to build something for the future.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And h.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Didn't get to much respond from veteran players and and
the young kids. You know, they kind of just following up.
You know, the pattern of the guys are been established
in the NHL. So I got to do something. And
because we were going right to the wall, and I
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have nothing to lose, Mark, to be quite honest, I
have nothing to lose because if I didn't do nothing,
my feeling was at the end, I want to get fired.
So they were going to move on. So I said, well,
I'm gonna do it my way. We're going to find solution.
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And I was calm, like you said, because I was prepaired.
I was prepared for a week. I was just waiting
the right time to doing it. And like I said,
the question, don't ask me what was the question, I
don't remember. The question was not important. It was my statement,
wasn't hehy Mike?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
There was no question when Lincoln made the Gettysburg address,
but he still got the point across. And just to
clarify for those don't remember, Covile Chuck front Land had
scored a power play goal with sitting in the box
and pointed at him after the goal, and the Penguins
had no res response to that. Now, it's worth noting
that you guys lost thirteen of the next fourteen after that.
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But things did get more positive. The team did stick
together and a lot of those guys went on the
bigger and better like like Stanley Cups, like Flurry gauntshar Crosby.
They won that team. Talbot Kolbey Armstrong was on that team.
So so the guys who needed to get the message
I think really did.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, absolutely right, you know, And like I said, we
didn't sell the result on the eyes with win our losses,
but I saw the effort was better. I saw the intensity,
the care for each other a little bit better. And
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close to the end of the year, we have no
remember the last one I gave we close almost straight
for five hundred yep. So we're established were and with
look Mark the first game there were nine thousand people
in the stand, so that was dove Brad. You know,
like it was about like three or four years that
that team was going to the wrong direction and it
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was just like sometime you could add at that season
and next year, Okay, everything's going to be fine. This
is something was pretty SOLDID established in that organization. So
I needed to change. I needed to change the culture.
I need to change a lot of things. And at
the end, by the end of the year, we were
sold out and the year and we established something for
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the upcoming season. And the upcoming season, I think we
got forty seven wins and we reached we reached the playoffs.
And two years after, with a really young team, we
I think again we were close to fifty wins and
we reached a Study Cup final. So they got the message,
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you know, because of the day, they end up to
be a group that I love coaching, and they care
about each other, and they became winners. And that's the
most important thing to add a winning attitude. And this
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is why this is what I tried to do with
those with those guys.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
What was your favorite line of the rant? Looking back?
Like you said soft a bunch of times, which people
kind of latched on too. But my favorite part was,
and I'm paraphrasing, they say they care, but I know
they don't. When you did that, I like had to
hide my face in the press conference because I almost
cracked up.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
The truth that was the truth. You know, it's like
a player, we're all going to say the right things,
you know. So but I know they didn't care winning
you're losing. You could tell by their attitude actor a game.
You could tell there was a few guys care. They
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would but not enough, not enough. I could camera on
my fingers that every time we lose a game, it
really hurts me. When I was coaching, you know, your
bread and butter, it's if your team is gonna win
the game or not. You know, I'm a sour loser
and I hate to lose. So, uh, we're losing game,
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I'm going back home and I'm freaking. Uh, I'm thinking
about what can I What can I do the next day?
What can I I'm still like the thinking, thinking, thinking,
you know, it's like, uh, should we change this? Should
we do this? So it's like, uh, thank god, I
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got a great assistant coach at the time, was a
young coach, Mikey always stood in the NHL. I got
a lot of respect for him, and uh, he had
the same attitude of me. You know, he hate he
hate losing. So so we both both of them we
we work to asshof and to try to prepare, and
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then it's so frustrating when you put so much effort
and you get like almost three quarters a team that
you feel that they don't care. And I got a
pretty good feeling about who was caring about winning and
who was not. So that's why I needed a change,
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just I needed to change your attitude about winning and losing.
I want them to have the winning attitude. And when
you get the winning attitude and you get passion, you're
always going to do the little extra you know, like
blocking a shot, uh, take a hit to make a play,
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and when you don't care, you pretend to try to
block the shot, you know, but you know, you pretend
to be first on uck, but you don't. You don't
do it yet. So there was a lot of tign
that's showing me that they didn't. It didn't really matter
because after the game, they go to the gym, they
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do what they have to do, and they have fun,
they laughing, and we end up losing a game and
me and Mike Yo were in the office and we
we're beating yourself because we just lost the game. And
I know, I know how they reacting in the gym
or the reaction in the dressing room. It's like summer Rockey.
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So we're going nowhere, So I need have changed everything?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, it did change everything, Mike. I'm glad to talk
to you again. Great, great to speak after all these years.
Do you still drink White Russians?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I don't drink. I don't drink anymore. You know, I've
never been a big drinker. No, I know.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But like if you we remember, you would sometimes when
you were the interim coach, you were staying at the Marion,
you would see the media done at the steel Head afterward.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and uh but yeah, sometime I
was going and we talked to the people and stuff
like that. But uh, uh do you change?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Do you miss coaching? You haven't coached in almost ten years?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Do you miss it? Yuh? You know what? I got
the honored to represent my country coach team Canada the
Spender Cup mont Verji was a GM called me an Hva,
I said, asking me, so I want to be a.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
What that was this year?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah? This year?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Oh, I didn't know, Mike, forgive me, I didn't know.
I know a lot of college kids represented the US,
but that's awesome. That must have been great.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we beat them, But I'm telling you,
we we beat them on our first game. And uh,
I wasn't pressed. I was really in dress about the
US team. They were first of all, they were all
kids from college drafted like twenty one and twenty two
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years older. And I'm sure some of those kids at
the end of their column season this year probably would
end up in the NHL, like if you are doing
and maybe, like I told Mark Berger I at the
time when you were there, I said, geez, maybe half
of those tale, half of those player will have a
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decent career in the NHL. So it was a great experience.
It was part of to be quite honest, Mark, it
was part of my bucket list and to go call
the Stanley Cup. It's a great tournament. It's a great
experience and coaching is always fun. But after I coach
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in Montreal, I worked in the media for three years
and I signed a three year contract with TV Sports.
I was have four times, four times a week, I
was on TV or the Montreal paper. So but I
decided to stop and and take it easy and enjoy
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retirement a little bit. So and when that opportunity came
to coach Canteen Canada Dixperiment Cup with Mark version Vaine.
That had a lot of respect and uh we worked
five years together in Montreal, so I jump on it
and we've got a great time. Mike.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Great to speak with you again. Great to relive those memories.
I hope I talked to you again. And thanks. It
was awesome to just to just look back.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It was great. It was great, great talking to you. Yeah,
like always, that is.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
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