May 1, 2026 • 39 mins
Mark and Tommy Baseball talk about the Pirates 5 game losing streak. Eddie Olczyk joins the show to give his Kentucky Derby pick.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I got to open up with this Colin Coward SoundBite
because it is both brutal and true.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Here's what's funny.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The Steelers view themselves because of their history as an
elite franchise. The Steelers are much closer to the Jets.
But they're just a more just They're a more functional version.
And I mean, the idea that the good teams in
the league would just allow a forty one year old
quarterback to string them along is laughable. Eagles aren't doing that.
(00:35):
Rams aren't doing that. Chiefs aren't doing that.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
First off, he's forty two. Second off, that's not funny.
But thirdly, Coward is absolutely right. The Steelers are just
about the New York Jets. Mike McCarthy's the guy that
can fix it. Mike McCarthy got to make more decisions.
Mike McCarthy's a real Pittsburgh guy, not a silver spoon
(01:02):
Pittsburgh guy. Mike McCarthy gets what the logo is about
more than the owner does. Mike McCarthy gonna be the
heartbeat of the Steelers, and Drew Aller is gonna be
QB one sooner than you think.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Drew Aller is the next big thing.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And if he's not, and if this keeps going the
way it is, pretty soon the Steelers will be looking
up at the New York Jets. Today was breakup day
for the Penguins. Malcinn said he wants to play another year,
even if it's not for the Penguins. He's got to
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say that that's a little leverage, and I do think
I almost know Philadelphia would take him. But I'm hearing
more and more that Malkin will be back and it's
gonna be the ownership thing. They don't want to be
seen as carpetbagging bad guys.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And if he.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Comes back, that's okay. I would want to set certain parameters,
like he's not on PP one, but he definitely would be.
Kendall spoke today after losing that draw, after icing the
puck and all that resulted in Philadelphia's game winning overtime goal.
Kendall said that laugh shit made him sick to his stomach,
(02:24):
and he'll do everything possible to make sure it never
happens again. As I keep saying that kid is a
future captain. I like Ben kendallmore every second. Dan Mues
is a finalist for NHL Coach of the year and
should be. The funny part is Lindy Ruff's gonna get
it at the Buffalo coach because of the big jump
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up the standings they made, And there might not be
a worst coach in the league than Lindy Rough. God
Hayton just saying this is the Mark Maddon show. You
like it, you love it, you want more of it.
There's a rumor that Aaron Rodgers might yet go to Arizona.
(03:08):
Now I don't know why they'd want him, but that'd
be awesome because it'd be doing the Steelers a favor.
People on Twitter saying, well, why are you suddenly getting
optimistic about the Steelers. Well, they got a better coach
and a legitimate, big time, long term prospected quarterback. Just
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because you believe in the wrong things don't mean I
can believe in the right things. Let's say ten years
from now, who is where between Will Howard and Drew Aller.
It'll be Drew Aller way up the ladder over Howard,
and it will not be close. Drew Aller going to
be way up the ladder over most of his current peers. Now,
(03:52):
I got a broage of Penguins talk coming up because
the offseason is underway, but right now, let's talk about Goos,
because what they gotta do?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
It ain't going so good.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Sixteen and sixteen, five game losing streak, Skeins got beat yesterday,
Chandler ain't it. Even the better hitters are widely inconsistent,
And even though the Pirates are fifteen t MERA, they're
still stuck at five hundred and last in the division.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Is it too early to panic?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I'm not sure panic is ever good or ever saw as,
although I certainly do enjoy it. But while the Pirates
are better, they're still not better enough. They spent more
and added, but didn't spend an add enough. If they're
suddenly serious about winning, as Nutting would have you believe,
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make a move now, an acquisition, and be proper serious,
be more serious, but I do not sense that forthcoming,
because while the Pirates may be serious, they are serious
on Bob Nutting terms. They are serious on Bob Nutting's budgets.
(05:05):
What's talking out of Tommy Baseball?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Tom?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I know Skens can't win every start and it's unfair
to expect thereof, but the Pirates needed better from him
yesterday after four straight losses.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Going in it's unfair to expect him to win every start,
but it is fair to expect him as the ace,
not just for the Pirates, but the ace and all
of Major League Baseball, the best pitcher to be that
stopper like he's supposed to be. And that's what the
expectation was in yesterday's game, go out, shut the Cardinals down.
If they have to win one, nothing, so be it.
That's what your job is, is Paul skeens. And he
failed at that yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Well, yeah, it's unfair, like guys said, and you agree,
but he almost pitched a perfect game the last time out, true,
and now gives up two home runs in the first inning,
and it's just like shocking. Is weather Hold from Saint Louis,
the kid from Mars, the rookie and he hit one
of those home runs in the first inning. Is he
better than Connor Griffin? Because weather Holds numbers are certainly
better and one hundred percent looks the part, and they
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were picked in the first round of the same MLB draft.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Right now, he's better than Connor Griffin. I mean, I
don't think there's any question about that. And I think
that's probably what's supposed to happen right as a twenty
three year old he went to college. He should be
a little bit more polished than the high school kid.
The ceiling for Connor Griffin, though, I think, is much
higher still, I do know about much higher. I guess
that he's a mountaineer. I gotta cut him short.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think the expectations for for Griffin have been unreasonably
serviced by the hype of that.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
No, it does so.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Although we don't know what the hype for Weatherhold is
like in Saint Louis, I bet it's pretty hype right.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Now, increasing big time too, because he could be the
centerpiece for I mean, let's face it, you said to
me yesterday off the year, that's one of the only
cities that actually cares about baseball more than anything else.
Right now, he looks like a centerpiece, kind of build
around type of player for them now too.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I talked to Sean Casey this morning, who's going to
be joining us on a semi regular basis very nice
coming up coming up pretty soon. And case had a
great idea. You know what he says the Pirates should do.
And I'm going to talk about this at length, maybe
right to call him too. They should move in the
left center field fence to exploit Griffin's power, he said,
And I agree. You signed this kid for nine years
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and you have depth valley in left center field. That's
a totally logical thing to do. And the way you
dress it up is just say, okay, a redesign of
America's best ballpark, and you know you have more seats
close to the action, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
And there's precedent for it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I mean, teams have always been defenses, you know, in
for hitters or out for pitchers. And the original team
to do it were the Pirates fores Field when they
got Hank Greenberg from the Tigers, who was the Ale
home run Championship, a champion in the twilight of his career,
to be sure, because there weren't no free agency. Then
Detroit just didn't want him no more. They put the
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bullpen in front of the left field wall at forest
Field and called it Greenberg Gardens. And then after Hank retired,
became Kinner's corner who led the major leagues in home
runs for seven straight years.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So I think that's a terrific idea, don't you.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
That's some great outside the box thinking too. I mean,
no wonder he's the mayor. What a great idea for sure,
because of the nine year aspect of it, Like, this
guy's gonna be here for a decade now. You need
to service him as much as you possibly can, even
if it seems dramatic, honestly like that, but it would
be worthwhile. I mean, if he hits, don't you think
there'd be like ten doubles that would have been home
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runs in most normal stadiums for Connor Griffin?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
What so far? No, I know.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I mean, if he hits like it becomes a big
time player.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Case said, and I agree that if you move the
fence in it would you know, to a reasonable distance.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
You're not like put it right behind.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Shortstop, but if you moved it in to a standard
MLB park distance that he would get ten to fifteen
more home runs.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I was thinking, Yeah, he turned doubles into homers. That's
incredibly valuable. I would definitely look into that. I'm also
kind of a fan of like.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
If you want to exploit what you got, you do
that well.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
And I like the honestly like New Yankee Stadium that
exploits the modern day MLB. It's a short porch everywhere there.
It's just a bandbox. Cincinnati's similar to you just hit
a ton of home runs in those places.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
President.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
When the Yankees moved from the Polo Grounds to yet
the first Yankee Stadium, the original backline in the twenties, uh,
the right field foul pole was less than three hundred
feet away. And gee, we just happened to have Babe Rut.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yeah how about that? I mean, look at Pesky Pole
still at Boston and me you can still hit like
a two hundred and seventy foot home run if you
hit at the right angle.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I told Case they should move Death Valley in and
then do like Pesky's poll.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
That's sudden cut in the bullpen field foul line.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah yeah, yeahah, give like give like a really not
not a very wide short ports, but a bit of
a short portch there too. Case and I we should
obviously be Commissioner of Baseball or at the very least
designing ballparks. How do you get swept at PNC by
Saint Louis who aren't very good? They are the Pirates
bogie team. They're definitely skeens, this bogey team. And like
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I said, Skien's losing to keep the losing streak alive,
that seems ominous. And now you play Cincinnati Aaron first
if you lose your under five hundred, this series seems
more significant than it probably is, but it is.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
It's not meaningless.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
You know, Saint Louis minus three run differential, So you're right,
they don't seem to be like that good of a team.
But I will give them a little bit of the
benefit of the doubt just being Saint Louis. And they
got young guys like Jordan Walker and jj Weatherholt there.
You can't get swept by them, though, if you're a
team that's really gonna contend for a playoff spot or
the NL Central, dare I say you can't get swept
at home by any of your NL Central opponents.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You know Case wanting to move the death valley in
left center at PNC. It shows he's not selfish because
if he was thinking of himself, it wants to distance
the first base to be cut to seventy feet.
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Speaker 1 (11:00):
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to win some money. Tom, You and I didn't discuss
that sound bite by Colin Coward where he says the
Steelers are closer to being the New York Jets than
anybody would like to think. I agree with that, but
I just don't think anybody in this town, let alone
anybody named Rooney, sees that.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
No, but the one thing that everybody looks at the
Jets and ultimately laughs at them about, and there's a
lot of things for it, but at the top of
that list is their failures to identify that quarterback position,
right Like, that's what makes the Jets the perennial joke.
That is what makes the Browns the perennial joke. They
can't get that position right. Well, the Steelers have gotten
that position right twice in their history, so they're not
there historically speaking, but in recent context they're doing that
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same thing.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
They can't get that position right Ben, They've mangled it
every time, and really before Ben for a while, although
Tommy Maddox recycled gave them a couple good years and
Neil O'Donnell did get into a Super Bowl. But the
Steelers do not have a great history with quarterbacks unless
they turn out to be Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And part of that is they never pick early in
the draft.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
And it's been five six stabs at this now as
far as different quarterbacks that they've brought in and tried
out to replace Ben, it's it has been a hopeless
effort for them to the point mark where if Rogers
comes back this year, it's actually the first time you'd
have continuity, as insane as that is, werebe two years
in a row.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Starter and that is one of the biggest reasons they
want to bring them back. But what still steems me
the most is they're waiting for quarterback who's not even
top twenty in the league, and probably not even top
twenty five.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And you expect them to get better, right, Like, how
can you possibly think that now at age forty two,
he'll sack up more, he'll trust the offensive line, he'll
push the ball down the field more, He'll be better
in the face of pressure.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
My dream scenario, like I said, is he starts the season,
gets her chickens out, whatever, and then Aler steps in
and he becomes the guy. I'm telling you that's gonna
happen later, if not sooner. I do want to talk
more Pirates though, Tom. I've considered, even despite this downturn,
this five game losing streak, that maybe the Pirates will
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be good. But maybe that's next year, another year further
along for Griffin, Chandler, Ashcraft, et cetera. Maybe it's a
developing team not ready for prime time. That said they
would have to add still more.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah, no doubt because you're gonna lose Lao Azuna's garbage. Honestly,
you were talking about moves that the Pirates should make.
If they were a normal team that didn't have to,
you know, pinch every penny that they spent, they would
probably eject on Azuna right now. Yeah, yeah, move cruise around.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
But the thing is that they were real team, they
would have signed somebody better.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Probably, that's true.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Earlier in the free agent process.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I think they signed Azena because they said, w oh,
we better sign somebody.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Yeah, And I guess you could see there's a little
bit of a chance that he turns it around and
maybe hits twenty five home runs. But he's just terrible
at the plate right now. For I saw us that
he had one of the worst like April starting month
to a season in Pirates history, wise awful.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
You can see that he's flailing.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
So a real team would make that move. They get
rid of him, they'd move Cruse, they move Reynolds to
DH actually, and then they'd help their defense improve there.
As far as your point, though, for next year, it's
all about you know, Low's gone, Azuna's got, replacing those
players with better players, improving your defense, and you got
to pay the ticket for schemes that he gets at arbitration.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Who's the most disappointing.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'd have to say Reynold's given the price tag ineptitude
in the field and just not enough at the plate.
You know, he's gone nineteen games without a home run
now nineteen games.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
No, you're spot on he's definitely at the top of
that list. And his fielding is just abysmal. I mean,
I know they were already losing at this point in
the game yesterday, but it was only a one run score.
And he acts like he's afraid of the ball coming
to him in the outfield, and.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
When the balls hit to him, I think we're all
a bit afraid.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
He might be feeling the heart thump a little bit
more at this point now because he's just so bad.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I want to go to the opposite direction. He looks
like a guy who's checked.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Just whatever, I got my money, It's all.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Good, you know, like another thing that where they're kind
of locked in in a bad way. Henry Davis is
the catcher in perpetuity because a Skeen's and Chandler like
throwing to him. And I'm the way Chandler's pitching, by
the way, he should have no say whatsoever. But but people,
you know, they like Davis because he's good defensively, he's
a pitch framer, but you have abs, so that is
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totally meaningless.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, and he's never going to hit.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Now that said, I kind of roll my eyes when
people bitch about him because he just.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Is what he is. I mean, he was a one
one who can't hit it all.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
They made that mistake, and now they're making the mistake
of just letting him, letting him play too much.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I think that's the silver medallist for the conversation of
who's the most disappointing is Henry Davis.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I'm not at all disappointed one well in terms of
the long term, but this year I knew exactly what
he was before the season starts.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
True, but he's a total bust and that you can't
bust on one one.
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Speaker 8 (16:56):
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Speaker 6 (16:57):
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Speaker 8 (17:07):
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Speaker 4 (17:08):
No?
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Speaker 4 (17:12):
It'd be the Derby, especially the day before.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Let's talk a little hockey first, though, because the big
hockey stories that Anaheim knocked out Edmonton in the first round.
Is Edmonton's window closed? And what's gonna happen now with
Connor McDavid.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Uh yeah, that is the biggest question. I'm not surprised
that Anaheim took out Edmonton knowing you know, Leon Drysdle
came back after missing what he missed almost a month,
I think Mark, don't quote me, but somewhere in that range, right,
And Connor McDavid seemed to be banged up, like.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
A lot of players are.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I mean, we know Sid was banged up for these
uh you know, for these playoffs and obviously since it's
happened over in Milan. But I just thought that Anaheim
had the ability to outscore Edmonton. The goaltending, I mean,
Gostal was better than you know, it was better than
Jari for the game he played, and in Connor Ingram
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and they played their best game. I mean, they might
have played the best game of the season and the
closed up game last night, and but I just think
that they were very comfortable if the game's got to five, four, six, five,
I mean, they were some crooked numbers up on that scoreboard,
and Edmonton had to play really perfect and they needed
to get some help from their depths, and over a
six game series they weren't able.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
To do it. So I mean that is that is
the story is.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
You know, Connor McDavid signed it to year extension, very
team friendly, and does he play the full two years
there and then you know, explore free agency or does
he resign there?
Speaker 8 (18:41):
The question, Uh, that's a great question.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
I'm sure me a lot of people trying to figure
that out because he has the ability to go ahead
and change your franchise, change the future of your franchise,
and you get a big culture shock as well.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
So if he decided, he holds all.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
The cards and we'll see how it all plays out
coming this summer and if he does indeed stay and
you know, if indeed he does stay in Edmonton for two years. Now,
the interesting thing is is that he holds the cards
and then he dictates where he wants to go. Because
in two years Edmonton, if he does leave, he's not
they're not going to get anything for him. So is
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it really a two year extension? I would probably lean
more no than yes. And if something is going to happen,
I would not be surprised if if it is before
the trade deadline in this upcoming year. But we'll see
how it all plays out. But he holds the cards
whether or not he wants to go anywhere or not.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
What was the difference in that Penguin's Flyer series ed
because as you could imagine, that one hurts.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
I think it was early I saw. I saw a
lot of the first couple of games Mark, and in
full disclosure, there seemed to be the nights that I
was working, you know, the Pens and Flyers were playing,
so I tried to you know, watch while I was preparing.
So I'm probably the wrong guy to ask the question,
but I thought early.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
The Penguins, it's I.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Don't want to say, they didn't want to play a
dump and chase type of game, a chip and chase,
whatever the verbiage you want to use. And they turned
the puck over and I think they fed into the
belief of the Flyers, who were playing very well down
the stretch and then very good early in the series.
And then the Penguins started, you know, I think getting
their money makers in their legs. They started, you know,
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started playing and and realized that it might be one
of those volley type of games where it's back and
forth and you got to dump it in, dump it out,
and just live to fight another day mentality. So that's
what I thought early, that they just turned too many
pucks over and early in the series.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
And when you.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Chase like that, I mean, that's why it's only happened
a couple of times. Mark when you get down through job.
I mean, it's just it's a tough it's tough and
as far as awesome as it is. And like I said,
I you know, him not being one hundred percent, just
like a lot of players are in the National I mean,
like I said, Connor mcdavie wasn't Leandre, So.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
There are a lot of players. Matt Zuperrello isn't.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
But he came back and how big was he to
get Dallas to excuse me, Minnesota to beat Dallas. He
comes back and is in such an important part in
his chemistry with Carill capriceoffs. So for me, Uh, you know,
the Flyers just got the they got the jump and
they were able to hold on.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
And I mean what a game it was.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Uh you know the other night and the Flyers move
on and the Penguins have some uh has some decisions
to make it.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Well, what about the most talked about decision?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
If you're the Penguins, do you bring Malcolm back next
year at age forty?
Speaker 8 (21:40):
Well, I thought they should have cut bait. Was that
three years ago?
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Mark four years okay, yeah, right, okay, that's I thought
the window was there to figure out if you were
gonna bring both. I think La Tang, right and Malkin
were both up at that if I can remember, I remember.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yes, got extended and that was right when FSG bought
the team and new ownership, and the one to be
the bad guy definitely figured in.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
And that's happening.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, understood.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
And but uh, I mean you got to you got
to think about where you know, where you're trying to go,
know where you were and know where you are and where.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
You're trying to get to.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
And obviously knowing the situation with you know, with with
Sid and Latang and you know Kendall is you know,
I mean I had they really step up in a large,
large way. So I mean, like I said, I thought
they should have changed changed course four years ago. So
for as hard as it would be, I mean, everybody's
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you know, everybody's time comes when you just got to
go in a different direction. For as much as you
love him and you want to flaud them, and but
it is a business, and you do have a salary
cap you got to worry about. And so for me,
I don't think it's that difficult of a season or
a decision going into next season.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Minnesota, like you said, got by Dallas.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
That was the most hotly competed series in a pretty
hotly competed first run. In general, do the Wild now
have enough left in the tank to take out Colorado?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Oh, they do have enough left in the tank to
take on I think the best team in the National
Hockey League. They showed me a lot and getting and
getting healthy that that to me was the key because
Rope Hints did not play in Dallas and that Superrello
did not play the first four games of that series,
and I thought I actually said on one of our
TNT broadcasts specifically about Zucarello and saying that Dallas has
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to get Hints back at some point. And we all
know about slotting players and where they are in a
particular lineup, but you're asking guys to, you know, to
kill penalties, and you're asking guys to play with your
top players where a guy like Hints at the center
rice position, they were very thin at the center ice position.
That being the Dallas are you can't be thin against
the Colorado Avalanche, and I think for the while, after
winning that series and getting Zuparello back double m that
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that is a difference maker there, because, as I said earlier,
has that unbelievable chemistry with Carell caprice Off. I think
it's a series I like, I mean, I'm hearing people
think that Colorado's gonna win in.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Five or whatever.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I would be absolutely shocked if that's a five game series.
Like I think Minnesota's goaltending the way that they can defend,
and they do have game breakers and Capriceoff and Zukerrella
and oh, by the way, they got guys like Quint
Hughes and brock Favor on the back end.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Edzo, let's talk Derby, and I just want to preface
by saying it's the fact that Edso's first appearance on
this show was nineteen eighty four, his Olympic year, and
he picks the Kentucky Derby winner every single year. Edso
is vice paid cash for my suv. And so, who
do you like tomorrow? Let's make some money.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Okay, I'm gonna give you three horses that if you
want to, you know, bet them all to win or
box them up in an e Zac detrofecta. It's a
it's a real competitive, very full disclosure. I like the
twenty horse, but he got scratched, so I had to
re I had to reshuffle the deck pretty quickly here
in the last thirty six hours or so.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
But I'm going I'm gonna bet that my pick is
going to.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Be number fifteen emerging market for Chad Brown and Flavian
Pratt only run two career races, two for two, and
I think for them, the ownership group and the trainer
to put this horse in this type of the situation
with nineteen other eighteen other horses in front of one hundred
and sixty thousand people, they must really think that this
horse has got some ability. Now it's asking an awful
lot to go a mile in a quarter, but I
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think the horse has bred for it. You got a
great team and a trainer and jockey. So right now,
currently eleven to one to mark with the number fifteen,
and that will be emerging market the favorite in the
race if he wasn't in post position number one, because
we haven't had a post position winner out of post
number one since nineteen eighty six. Our time mark the
legendary shoe Willie Schuemaker and Ferdinand won from post position
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number one, so we know that's been a long long
time back in nineteen eighty six. I'm going to use
him because I think he's the best horse in the race,
but I just don't know how clean of a trip
he's going to get coming from post position number one.
You know what, I do like number nineteen golden tempo,
but I would put him in the same.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Category as number eleven. Incredible.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
And also the six horses name is just I'm dying
a blake right now because I've seen so many horses
go before me here and in the last little commandment,
I'm sorry, number six is commandment. So I'm going to
use three horses in behind behind the fifteen and one,
and then I'm gonna use the six, the eleven and
number nineteen. Don't forget number eighteen further reduce, so I'll
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give you another one right there, So fifteen with one
and then with the six, eleven, eighteen, and nineteen.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
So if I want to box up, then I'm going
fifteen and one and then I wheel that on the
nineteen eleven and six.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Three different boxes for.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Yeah, you could play it's called the part wheel. But yeah,
you can use the fifteen first, the one second, and
play those other four horses third, and then you could
box up the one fifteen like in an exacta and
then you know, if you want to bet the fifteen or.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
The one, then you know, feel free.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
But that's how I'm gonna play it on a fifteen
to one exact debus, meaning the fifteen has to win,
and then a one has to finish second or vice versa.
And then in the trifecta part, the fifteen's gotta win,
the ones gotta finish second, and then either the the six, eleven, eighteen,
or nineteen has to finish third.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Edze, I'm looking off into the distance. You know what
I see. I see a house on the lake. I
see a boat at the dog. I can smell the money,
and so I want to ask one more question. There's
a horse called renegade. I hope he doesn't run like this.
Oh number one, my god, Oh that's the Steelers writing song,
and so I hope he doesn't run like the Steelers
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in a playoff game.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Well, if you're a sixth fan, you're gonna bet the one,
and I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
There you go, Edzo, great stuff, Give the boys my best.
I see Nick as you know when he passes through,
and we'll talk again after the derby.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
See a double mtio.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
That's ed Zo.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
There you go, oh fifteen one, and then to finish thirty.
They're nineteen eleven, six or eighteen. Bet over your head,
not with it, because like I said nineteen eighty four,
how many years is that Edzo's picked the winner every time?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
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Speaker 4 (28:35):
Thanks to Edzo for joining us. His picks.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The fifteen horse to finish first, the number one horse
to finish second. That's renegade. The Steelers finished first last year,
ran poorly in the playoffs, and then uh horses nineteen eleven,
six and eighteen to come third and put the top
two in a box boxes with them either. We'll replay
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Zoe's picks a bit later because he states it's so
eloquately well you can tell he loves it, can't you, Tom?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah, And then he referenced that thing about the guy
coming from post one. They haven't had a winner since
nineteen eighty six. Like, who else brings you a stat
like that?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, to be fair, he's calling the rate. You know,
he's doing analysis on NBC. But honestly, nobody knows more
about this than Edzo. Like I know, at first people said, oh,
why is a hockey player doing this?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Because he deeply cares and knows what he's talking.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
About, and he's just a great analyst in general, great
on television.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And that is how I like to bet. That's why
I got specific with ed I like the three horse box.
I'm just stopping it. I'll be going on bet Parks
or or I don't know, I might have dinner at
the rivers. I'm gonna be betting, betting the three horse box.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I hate to bet on Renegade.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Yeah, it's bad juju there, don't you think? Although, well
not the.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
McCarthy's taken over though, I'm just as glad he's not
riding the horse.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
But Renegade's a defensive thing. Though that's not McCarthy's bag.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Maybe the horse will start running backwards. Tom, what do
we got for the trifecta?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Well, with horse racing in mind in the Kentucky Derby.
For this trifecta, I've got three TV or movie scenes
that had to do with at the track horse racing.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I would have gone with the three most famous TV
or movie horses.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
I would have gone with mister d ster Ed. Is
there any other one you could think of? I like
mister radd Maybe the horse from Half Baked. Remember that
horse that they fed the marijuana?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
What about that horse, Gus, the one that's a mule
the Kickfield goals?
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Is that the full time? That might be before my time?
I don't know what you're talking about there.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Number three.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I'm going way back machine in this one, Easy Money
nineteen eighty three, the scene when Dangerfield and Joe Peshi
are at the horse racing and they bet on the
chariot race and the guy starts pulling the brakes on it.
They're jockey, and they lose, and Joe Pesti jumps over
the stands and tackles the jockey off the chariot and
starts beating him up.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Typical Peshi.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I'd almost forgotten the Dangerfield and Peshi we're in the
same they teamed up for that movie, So that's a
good call.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
What else?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Number two, We're gonna go to the TV show Entourage
when they go to the track and they bet on King.
Drama bets on King and he loses after being in
the lead, and he feels so bad that they're gonna
kill him and put him down that he ends up
buying King. And that's the whole episode. Remember he foists
it off to I think it's that director his daughter's
birthday party. He brings the horse and he's like, who's
a gift for you?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Not bad that I forgot about that storyline an Entourage
the King.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I know where you're going with this though.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I just came up with number one, and if you
blow it, I'm gonna be pissed TV.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Yes, Seinfeld, No, Okay, go ahead. OTB though with Kramer
at Seinfeld when he's watching the horse and he's going,
come on and he's bat beating his butt, beating his butt,
beating his butt.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Is that the one where the weirdos from OTB show
but at Fest of.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Us Dinners exactly right, because they're kind of stalking you.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Like he goes crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Because he wins so big on the horse that they
start to like crowd in on him at the window
because he's like, I want give me my money, and
then they start following him on the subway and all
that crap.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
You know what you forgot, Sopranos pie am I I've
never seen the spranos.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You're fired from doing the trifecta which is brought to
a spy, which is brought to a spy. Uh, Danny's
patron Hogies Family owned It Operators is nineteen sixty. Uh,
that's our rude ad in Bethel Park. Yeah, Ralphie killed
the horse really because the horse was sick. It was
costing too much money to keep alive, and he burned
on the stable. He killed the horse, and Tony killed
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Ralphie because of it.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Why because he didn't give a permission to burn down
the stable or.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
No, because Tony was part of under the horse didn't
horse and Ralphie was too. But that's like you know,
so yeah, this segment, this hour of the show brought
to us by our good friends at Shanderovi Shendrorovs and Fishman.
We've been talking about a quarterback uh with the Steelers.
With Drew Aller coming in, I believe to be the
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long term number one, although that won't happen overnight. And
since that he got Burrow and Baltimore of course has Lamar,
it's looking more and more like DeShawn Watson is gonna
jump up the grave and be the started quarterback for Cleveland.
And I can see that because a He's getting paid
a ton guaranteed money forty six million this year and
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be all their other quarterbacks sucks. You might as well
play Watson. Yeah, now he's healthy, And think about this.
Cleveland had a pretty good draft and they got Miles Garrett.
What if Watson can discover what he used to be.
It's a long shot, but I'm not sure the Steelers
need this. I think of all the choices that the
Steelers could have made for Cleveland a quarterback, they would
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not have chosen Watson because of the potential upside. I
don't think they're worried about Dylan Gabriel's upside or should
Roar Sanders's upside or whatever that jimoke is.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
They drafted this year's upside.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Yeah, I think the what if factor is certainly intriguing
when it comes to de Shaun Watson and why the
Browns should do that. But the reason why they're going
to do that is just simply because of the money
and the owner really pushed for that contract in the
first place and bringing to Shaun Watson, and I bet
you he wants to at least try one more time
to see if he can get anything out of that,
because it's framed as like the worst contract ever given
out in sports history. Right now, if he can get
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any any modicum back prwise on that, the owner would
love that.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, And don't you think that it's not out of
the realm that he could play good again. He was
one of the best quarterbacks in football in Houston.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
He led the league in passing yards and I know
that's not the end all be all, but that doesn't
mean you're slinging the ball around the yard a lot
in his last full season in Houston, and as a team,
Houston wasn't that good that year, but he was a
very good quarterback and the future was bright for the Texans.
He just needed a slight reload and then, of course
the injury and the massage parlor stuff happened.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
And he's only thirty, I know.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I mean, he could conceivably come back and be close
to what he was.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
He was a top tier quarterback with a ton of potential,
a ton of upside for the future in the NFL
before everything happened to him. So we'll see. I mean,
I'm not counting on him waking up all of a sudden,
but I do think obviously upside wise, he's better than
any of the other options. I also think the floor
he's probably still better than any of the other options
Cleveland has right now, Like he's just going to be
better than Shador Sanders, And.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Clearly they are not enamored with either Shador or Dylan
Gabriel or the new guy, and I think it's their
best bet.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I think I think Shador.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I think this is the year that if Watson plays
and doesn't play great, but he stays in there. I
think this is the year Daddy Dion runs his yapper.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
I think so too. And I think there is a
little bit of an enamorration from the ownership with Shadoor
because I think they forced that pick. But there's more
so with Deshaun Watson. I think so. I think he
kind of jumps in front.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Of the line.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
No good, He's no good. I agree with that. Who
has a harder ceiling.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Drew Aller was definitely way more talented than Shador Sanders was.
I mean, we're talking about a five star. He didn't
pan out this way at Penn State, but a nailed on.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Kallor had not broken his ankle, he would have been
drafted no later than the beginning.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Of the second round.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I agree with that he probably would have worked his
way into the first round two in such a weak class,
because I think that he would have bounced back slightly
at Penn State had he been able to work his
way through the year and put some decent tape together,
that would have talked teams into him. And people just
ignore because of what happened. He went to the freaking
semi finals two years ago. In college football.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
He's gone gonna beat the guy here, the Penn State
Guy's gonna do what the pit guy couldn't, the piss
hand pit guy ouch, and he's gonna do it under
the guidance of a quarterback whisper that's gonna turn the
Steelers around. You watch Tom, You watch so it has
been said, and so it will come to pass now
kind of pointing in the other direction.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
The Steelers declined a.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Fifty year option on Broderick Jones, the tackle they picked
in the first round, and that's the right move to
decline because of the next thing. But it's another wasted
draft pick. And what's hope Big Max?
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Ain't that?
Speaker 5 (36:32):
How about they haven't picked up like their past five
first round or fifth year options on their first round
draft picks. The only like caveat to that is in
twenty twenty they picked up Minkas, but that was Miami's
draft picks and they ended up trading for him, so
they just picked up that fifth year option like that.
That is a very stiff indictment, I think, and players
have been useful like Najie Harris that they just decided
not to pick up the option for.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Butrell Edmunds a useful player.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
They didn't pick up the option for where we signed
him though at a cheaper rate, so that was a
good move by the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
But it's just azation.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
It's it's just it's telling that there hasn't been in
five tries now that nailed on guy that you don't
even think about it. Oh yeah, we're picking up your
fifth year option. That's good business for us.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
And I do feel bad for Jones Tom because with
the injury and the Steelers constantly putting him in a
position to fail, switching him from side to side, and
they did that for the sake of Dan Moore junior.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
He bum that's the part that is the worst. I mean,
you're talking about probably the worst left tackle in football,
got a ton of money by the Titans, and then
went on to be statistically speaking, one of the worst
left tackles in football. You could argue that he's one
of the key contributors to the hindrance of cam Ward's
development because he was just such a bad left tackle.
To serve him like he was your first round pick
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when he was picked in the fourth round was such
an egregious air by this organization.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I don't know if I've asked you to predict this,
but what's the starting offensive line going to be for
Game one?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Have you said that yet?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
I haven't said it. I don't think on this show.
I've said it elsewhere. I'm gonna go Faltanu on the
left side. They'll throw him to the left gimme dunker
at left guard. I think I think mcarthy's gonna be
willing to put that rookie in the fire a little
bit more than previous coaches have. And then the center
and right guard is obviously Fraser McCormick. And then he
Hanatore takes over at right tackle.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Do you think he well, Mike McCarthy said on the
show early this week, plug and play.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
I think he He didn't say right tackle.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
He said he kind of did, didn't he. Yeah, but
he also said he's plug and play. I think plug
and play at that right tackle spot. It makes a
lot of sense sense. That's where he played in college.
That's where he's comfortable. I will I will say this
I I've seen because I don't extensively research stuff like this,
but I got curious. I saw a couple like YouTube
cutups of be on a chore. He is his feet
a really special.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
Oh the upside is out of control. No, this is
absolutely a pick that you know, five years from now,
he could be one of the better picks in this
draft class. But it's it's a pick with eye. It's
towards the future a bit. I mean, this is a
developmental first round pick, no question.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I wish they would treat this year as a developmental
year and work with a young quarterback and get them
in not just preseason games but NFL games and look
big picture at long last. But they're just not gonna
do that. That's why we need Rogers to come in
and get hurt. If he got hurt, it would be
absolutely the best thing for the team.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
I was just gonna say that they could do that
what you said organically. If Rogers just a decides to
f off or b gets hurt when he comes in
early in the season, then it just organically shifts into
being that developmental year with the Hontroy out there and
Drew Aller at quarterback, and maybe Howard's in the mix too,
I don't know, But then it becomes seeing what you
got Tom.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
We got to SoundBite a little bit later Jennings Stunker
when he was in Iowa when a hey, bail tossing contest,
come and get some.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Now here's your chance to win one.
I got to open up with this Colin Coward SoundBite
because it is both brutal and true.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Here's what's funny.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The Steelers view themselves because of their history as an
elite franchise. The Steelers are much closer to the Jets.
But they're just a more just They're a more functional version.
And I mean, the idea that the good teams in
the league would just allow a forty one year old
quarterback to string them along is laughable. Eagles aren't doing that.
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Rams aren't doing that. Chiefs aren't doing that.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
First off, he's forty two. Second off, that's not funny.
But thirdly, Coward is absolutely right. The Steelers are just
about the New York Jets. Mike McCarthy's the guy that
can fix it. Mike McCarthy got to make more decisions.
Mike McCarthy's a real Pittsburgh guy, not a silver spoon
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Pittsburgh guy. Mike McCarthy gets what the logo is about
more than the owner does. Mike McCarthy gonna be the
heartbeat of the Steelers, and Drew Aller is gonna be
QB one sooner than you think.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Drew Aller is the next big thing.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And if he's not, and if this keeps going the
way it is, pretty soon the Steelers will be looking
up at the New York Jets. Today was breakup day
for the Penguins. Malcinn said he wants to play another year,
even if it's not for the Penguins. He's got to
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say that that's a little leverage, and I do think
I almost know Philadelphia would take him. But I'm hearing
more and more that Malkin will be back and it's
gonna be the ownership thing. They don't want to be
seen as carpetbagging bad guys.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And if he.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Comes back, that's okay. I would want to set certain parameters,
like he's not on PP one, but he definitely would be.
Kendall spoke today after losing that draw, after icing the
puck and all that resulted in Philadelphia's game winning overtime goal.
Kendall said that laugh shit made him sick to his stomach,
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and he'll do everything possible to make sure it never
happens again. As I keep saying that kid is a
future captain. I like Ben kendallmore every second. Dan Mues
is a finalist for NHL Coach of the year and
should be. The funny part is Lindy Ruff's gonna get
it at the Buffalo coach because of the big jump
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up the standings they made, And there might not be
a worst coach in the league than Lindy Rough. God
Hayton just saying this is the Mark Maddon show. You
like it, you love it, you want more of it.
There's a rumor that Aaron Rodgers might yet go to Arizona.
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Now I don't know why they'd want him, but that'd
be awesome because it'd be doing the Steelers a favor.
People on Twitter saying, well, why are you suddenly getting
optimistic about the Steelers. Well, they got a better coach
and a legitimate, big time, long term prospected quarterback. Just
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because you believe in the wrong things don't mean I
can believe in the right things. Let's say ten years
from now, who is where between Will Howard and Drew Aller.
It'll be Drew Aller way up the ladder over Howard,
and it will not be close. Drew Aller going to
be way up the ladder over most of his current peers. Now,
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I got a broage of Penguins talk coming up because
the offseason is underway, but right now, let's talk about Goos,
because what they gotta do?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
It ain't going so good.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Sixteen and sixteen, five game losing streak, Skeins got beat yesterday,
Chandler ain't it. Even the better hitters are widely inconsistent,
And even though the Pirates are fifteen t MERA, they're
still stuck at five hundred and last in the division.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Is it too early to panic?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I'm not sure panic is ever good or ever saw as,
although I certainly do enjoy it. But while the Pirates
are better, they're still not better enough. They spent more
and added, but didn't spend an add enough. If they're
suddenly serious about winning, as Nutting would have you believe,
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make a move now, an acquisition, and be proper serious,
be more serious, but I do not sense that forthcoming,
because while the Pirates may be serious, they are serious
on Bob Nutting terms. They are serious on Bob Nutting's budgets.
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What's talking out of Tommy Baseball?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Tom?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I know Skens can't win every start and it's unfair
to expect thereof, but the Pirates needed better from him
yesterday after four straight losses.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Going in it's unfair to expect him to win every start,
but it is fair to expect him as the ace,
not just for the Pirates, but the ace and all
of Major League Baseball, the best pitcher to be that
stopper like he's supposed to be. And that's what the
expectation was in yesterday's game, go out, shut the Cardinals down.
If they have to win one, nothing, so be it.
That's what your job is, is Paul skeens. And he
failed at that yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Well, yeah, it's unfair, like guys said, and you agree,
but he almost pitched a perfect game the last time out, true,
and now gives up two home runs in the first inning,
and it's just like shocking. Is weather Hold from Saint Louis,
the kid from Mars, the rookie and he hit one
of those home runs in the first inning. Is he
better than Connor Griffin? Because weather Holds numbers are certainly
better and one hundred percent looks the part, and they
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were picked in the first round of the same MLB draft.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Right now, he's better than Connor Griffin. I mean, I
don't think there's any question about that. And I think
that's probably what's supposed to happen right as a twenty
three year old he went to college. He should be
a little bit more polished than the high school kid.
The ceiling for Connor Griffin, though, I think, is much
higher still, I do know about much higher. I guess
that he's a mountaineer. I gotta cut him short.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think the expectations for for Griffin have been unreasonably
serviced by the hype of that.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
No, it does so.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Although we don't know what the hype for Weatherhold is
like in Saint Louis, I bet it's pretty hype right.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Now, increasing big time too, because he could be the
centerpiece for I mean, let's face it, you said to
me yesterday off the year, that's one of the only
cities that actually cares about baseball more than anything else.
Right now, he looks like a centerpiece, kind of build
around type of player for them now too.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I talked to Sean Casey this morning, who's going to
be joining us on a semi regular basis very nice
coming up coming up pretty soon. And case had a
great idea. You know what he says the Pirates should do.
And I'm going to talk about this at length, maybe
right to call him too. They should move in the
left center field fence to exploit Griffin's power, he said,
And I agree. You signed this kid for nine years
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and you have depth valley in left center field. That's
a totally logical thing to do. And the way you
dress it up is just say, okay, a redesign of
America's best ballpark, and you know you have more seats
close to the action, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
And there's precedent for it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I mean, teams have always been defenses, you know, in
for hitters or out for pitchers. And the original team
to do it were the Pirates fores Field when they
got Hank Greenberg from the Tigers, who was the Ale
home run Championship, a champion in the twilight of his career,
to be sure, because there weren't no free agency. Then
Detroit just didn't want him no more. They put the
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bullpen in front of the left field wall at forest
Field and called it Greenberg Gardens. And then after Hank retired,
became Kinner's corner who led the major leagues in home
runs for seven straight years.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So I think that's a terrific idea, don't you.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
That's some great outside the box thinking too. I mean,
no wonder he's the mayor. What a great idea for sure,
because of the nine year aspect of it, Like, this
guy's gonna be here for a decade now. You need
to service him as much as you possibly can, even
if it seems dramatic, honestly like that, but it would
be worthwhile. I mean, if he hits, don't you think
there'd be like ten doubles that would have been home
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runs in most normal stadiums for Connor Griffin?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
What so far? No, I know.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I mean, if he hits like it becomes a big
time player.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Case said, and I agree that if you move the
fence in it would you know, to a reasonable distance.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
You're not like put it right behind.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Shortstop, but if you moved it in to a standard
MLB park distance that he would get ten to fifteen
more home runs.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I was thinking, Yeah, he turned doubles into homers. That's
incredibly valuable. I would definitely look into that. I'm also
kind of a fan of like.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
If you want to exploit what you got, you do
that well.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
And I like the honestly like New Yankee Stadium that
exploits the modern day MLB. It's a short porch everywhere there.
It's just a bandbox. Cincinnati's similar to you just hit
a ton of home runs in those places.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
President.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
When the Yankees moved from the Polo Grounds to yet
the first Yankee Stadium, the original backline in the twenties, uh,
the right field foul pole was less than three hundred
feet away. And gee, we just happened to have Babe Rut.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yeah how about that? I mean, look at Pesky Pole
still at Boston and me you can still hit like
a two hundred and seventy foot home run if you
hit at the right angle.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I told Case they should move Death Valley in and
then do like Pesky's poll.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
That's sudden cut in the bullpen field foul line.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah yeah, yeahah, give like give like a really not
not a very wide short ports, but a bit of
a short portch there too. Case and I we should
obviously be Commissioner of Baseball or at the very least
designing ballparks. How do you get swept at PNC by
Saint Louis who aren't very good? They are the Pirates
bogie team. They're definitely skeens, this bogey team. And like
(09:54):
I said, Skien's losing to keep the losing streak alive,
that seems ominous. And now you play Cincinnati Aaron first
if you lose your under five hundred, this series seems
more significant than it probably is, but it is.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
It's not meaningless.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
You know, Saint Louis minus three run differential, So you're right,
they don't seem to be like that good of a team.
But I will give them a little bit of the
benefit of the doubt just being Saint Louis. And they
got young guys like Jordan Walker and jj Weatherholt there.
You can't get swept by them, though, if you're a
team that's really gonna contend for a playoff spot or
the NL Central, dare I say you can't get swept
at home by any of your NL Central opponents.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You know Case wanting to move the death valley in
left center at PNC. It shows he's not selfish because
if he was thinking of himself, it wants to distance
the first base to be cut to seventy feet.
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Speaker 1 (11:00):
Edie All check ed Zo joining us at the bottom
of the hour too not only talk NHL Hockey the playoffs,
but also to make his Kentucky Derby picks. Edzo has
given us the Derby winner every year he's been on
the show, and that date's way back. Just a perfect
slate for Edzo, a horse racing genius. So don't miss
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Edzo at the bottom of the hour if you'd like
to win some money. Tom, You and I didn't discuss
that sound bite by Colin Coward where he says the
Steelers are closer to being the New York Jets than
anybody would like to think. I agree with that, but
I just don't think anybody in this town, let alone
anybody named Rooney, sees that.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
No, but the one thing that everybody looks at the
Jets and ultimately laughs at them about, and there's a
lot of things for it, but at the top of
that list is their failures to identify that quarterback position,
right Like, that's what makes the Jets the perennial joke.
That is what makes the Browns the perennial joke. They
can't get that position right. Well, the Steelers have gotten
that position right twice in their history, so they're not
there historically speaking, but in recent context they're doing that
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same thing.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
They can't get that position right Ben, They've mangled it
every time, and really before Ben for a while, although
Tommy Maddox recycled gave them a couple good years and
Neil O'Donnell did get into a Super Bowl. But the
Steelers do not have a great history with quarterbacks unless
they turn out to be Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
And part of that is they never pick early in
the draft.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
And it's been five six stabs at this now as
far as different quarterbacks that they've brought in and tried
out to replace Ben, it's it has been a hopeless
effort for them to the point mark where if Rogers
comes back this year, it's actually the first time you'd
have continuity, as insane as that is, werebe two years
in a row.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Starter and that is one of the biggest reasons they
want to bring them back. But what still steems me
the most is they're waiting for quarterback who's not even
top twenty in the league, and probably not even top
twenty five.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And you expect them to get better, right, Like, how
can you possibly think that now at age forty two,
he'll sack up more, he'll trust the offensive line, he'll
push the ball down the field more, He'll be better
in the face of pressure.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
My dream scenario, like I said, is he starts the season,
gets her chickens out, whatever, and then Aler steps in
and he becomes the guy. I'm telling you that's gonna
happen later, if not sooner. I do want to talk
more Pirates though, Tom. I've considered, even despite this downturn,
this five game losing streak, that maybe the Pirates will
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be good. But maybe that's next year, another year further
along for Griffin, Chandler, Ashcraft, et cetera. Maybe it's a
developing team not ready for prime time. That said they
would have to add still more.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah, no doubt because you're gonna lose Lao Azuna's garbage. Honestly,
you were talking about moves that the Pirates should make.
If they were a normal team that didn't have to,
you know, pinch every penny that they spent, they would
probably eject on Azuna right now. Yeah, yeah, move cruise around.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
But the thing is that they were real team, they
would have signed somebody better.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Probably, that's true.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Earlier in the free agent process.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I think they signed Azena because they said, w oh,
we better sign somebody.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Yeah, And I guess you could see there's a little
bit of a chance that he turns it around and
maybe hits twenty five home runs. But he's just terrible
at the plate right now. For I saw us that
he had one of the worst like April starting month
to a season in Pirates history, wise awful.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
You can see that he's flailing.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
So a real team would make that move. They get
rid of him, they'd move Cruse, they move Reynolds to
DH actually, and then they'd help their defense improve there.
As far as your point, though, for next year, it's
all about you know, Low's gone, Azuna's got, replacing those
players with better players, improving your defense, and you got
to pay the ticket for schemes that he gets at arbitration.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Who's the most disappointing.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'd have to say Reynold's given the price tag ineptitude
in the field and just not enough at the plate.
You know, he's gone nineteen games without a home run
now nineteen games.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
No, you're spot on he's definitely at the top of
that list. And his fielding is just abysmal. I mean,
I know they were already losing at this point in
the game yesterday, but it was only a one run score.
And he acts like he's afraid of the ball coming
to him in the outfield, and.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
When the balls hit to him, I think we're all
a bit afraid.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
He might be feeling the heart thump a little bit
more at this point now because he's just so bad.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I want to go to the opposite direction. He looks
like a guy who's checked.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Just whatever, I got my money, It's all.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Good, you know, like another thing that where they're kind
of locked in in a bad way. Henry Davis is
the catcher in perpetuity because a Skeen's and Chandler like
throwing to him. And I'm the way Chandler's pitching, by
the way, he should have no say whatsoever. But but people,
you know, they like Davis because he's good defensively, he's
a pitch framer, but you have abs, so that is
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totally meaningless.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, and he's never going to hit.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Now that said, I kind of roll my eyes when
people bitch about him because he just.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Is what he is. I mean, he was a one
one who can't hit it all.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
They made that mistake, and now they're making the mistake
of just letting him, letting him play too much.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I think that's the silver medallist for the conversation of
who's the most disappointing is Henry Davis.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I'm not at all disappointed one well in terms of
the long term, but this year I knew exactly what
he was before the season starts.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
True, but he's a total bust and that you can't
bust on one one.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Casey and I were talking today about how much I
know about baseball and how if you listen, you could
tell I love it. I just hate with the Alates
did to it in Pittsburgh. Up next, you get your
Kentucky Derby winner and you talk hockey with Eddie Oldcheck.
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Joining me now is our man on the scene for
tomorrow's Kentucky Derby and our go to guy for playoff
hockey two. He works for all the networks because he
is in demand. It's Eddie old check ed Zoe. What
are you more excited about the playoffs of the Derby?
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Double? Am great to be with you?
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Okay, let's uh, let's let's put the US and layman's terms.
I'm working for NBC right now. I'm getting paid for
two days of work for covering horse racing. So there's
your answer.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
How's that?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
No? I well, I think probably even in a vacuum.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
It'd be the Derby, especially the day before.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Let's talk a little hockey first, though, because the big
hockey stories that Anaheim knocked out Edmonton in the first round.
Is Edmonton's window closed? And what's gonna happen now with
Connor McDavid.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Uh yeah, that is the biggest question. I'm not surprised
that Anaheim took out Edmonton knowing you know, Leon Drysdle
came back after missing what he missed almost a month,
I think Mark, don't quote me, but somewhere in that range, right,
And Connor McDavid seemed to be banged up, like.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
A lot of players are.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I mean, we know Sid was banged up for these
uh you know, for these playoffs and obviously since it's
happened over in Milan. But I just thought that Anaheim
had the ability to outscore Edmonton. The goaltending, I mean,
Gostal was better than you know, it was better than
Jari for the game he played, and in Connor Ingram
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and they played their best game. I mean, they might
have played the best game of the season and the
closed up game last night, and but I just think
that they were very comfortable if the game's got to five, four, six, five,
I mean, they were some crooked numbers up on that scoreboard,
and Edmonton had to play really perfect and they needed
to get some help from their depths, and over a
six game series they weren't able.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
To do it. So I mean that is that is
the story is.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
You know, Connor McDavid signed it to year extension, very
team friendly, and does he play the full two years
there and then you know, explore free agency or does
he resign there?
Speaker 8 (18:41):
The question, Uh, that's a great question.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
I'm sure me a lot of people trying to figure
that out because he has the ability to go ahead
and change your franchise, change the future of your franchise,
and you get a big culture shock as well.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
So if he decided, he holds all.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
The cards and we'll see how it all plays out
coming this summer and if he does indeed stay and
you know, if indeed he does stay in Edmonton for two years. Now,
the interesting thing is is that he holds the cards
and then he dictates where he wants to go. Because
in two years Edmonton, if he does leave, he's not
they're not going to get anything for him. So is
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it really a two year extension? I would probably lean
more no than yes. And if something is going to happen,
I would not be surprised if if it is before
the trade deadline in this upcoming year. But we'll see
how it all plays out. But he holds the cards
whether or not he wants to go anywhere or not.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
What was the difference in that Penguin's Flyer series ed
because as you could imagine, that one hurts.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
I think it was early I saw. I saw a
lot of the first couple of games Mark, and in
full disclosure, there seemed to be the nights that I
was working, you know, the Pens and Flyers were playing,
so I tried to you know, watch while I was preparing.
So I'm probably the wrong guy to ask the question,
but I thought early.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
The Penguins, it's I.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Don't want to say, they didn't want to play a
dump and chase type of game, a chip and chase,
whatever the verbiage you want to use. And they turned
the puck over and I think they fed into the
belief of the Flyers, who were playing very well down
the stretch and then very good early in the series.
And then the Penguins started, you know, I think getting
their money makers in their legs. They started, you know,
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started playing and and realized that it might be one
of those volley type of games where it's back and
forth and you got to dump it in, dump it out,
and just live to fight another day mentality. So that's
what I thought early, that they just turned too many
pucks over and early in the series.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
And when you.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Chase like that, I mean, that's why it's only happened
a couple of times. Mark when you get down through job.
I mean, it's just it's a tough it's tough and
as far as awesome as it is. And like I said,
I you know, him not being one hundred percent, just
like a lot of players are in the National I mean,
like I said, Connor mcdavie wasn't Leandre, So.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
There are a lot of players. Matt Zuperrello isn't.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
But he came back and how big was he to
get Dallas to excuse me, Minnesota to beat Dallas. He
comes back and is in such an important part in
his chemistry with Carill capriceoffs. So for me, Uh, you know,
the Flyers just got the they got the jump and
they were able to hold on.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
And I mean what a game it was.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Uh you know the other night and the Flyers move
on and the Penguins have some uh has some decisions
to make it.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Well, what about the most talked about decision?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
If you're the Penguins, do you bring Malcolm back next
year at age forty?
Speaker 8 (21:40):
Well, I thought they should have cut bait. Was that
three years ago?
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Mark four years okay, yeah, right, okay, that's I thought
the window was there to figure out if you were
gonna bring both. I think La Tang, right and Malkin
were both up at that if I can remember, I remember.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yes, got extended and that was right when FSG bought
the team and new ownership, and the one to be
the bad guy definitely figured in.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
And that's happening.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, understood.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
And but uh, I mean you got to you got
to think about where you know, where you're trying to go,
know where you were and know where you are and where.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
You're trying to get to.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
And obviously knowing the situation with you know, with with
Sid and Latang and you know Kendall is you know,
I mean I had they really step up in a large,
large way. So I mean, like I said, I thought
they should have changed changed course four years ago. So
for as hard as it would be, I mean, everybody's
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you know, everybody's time comes when you just got to
go in a different direction. For as much as you
love him and you want to flaud them, and but
it is a business, and you do have a salary
cap you got to worry about. And so for me,
I don't think it's that difficult of a season or
a decision going into next season.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Minnesota, like you said, got by Dallas.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
That was the most hotly competed series in a pretty
hotly competed first run. In general, do the Wild now
have enough left in the tank to take out Colorado?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Oh, they do have enough left in the tank to
take on I think the best team in the National
Hockey League. They showed me a lot and getting and
getting healthy that that to me was the key because
Rope Hints did not play in Dallas and that Superrello
did not play the first four games of that series,
and I thought I actually said on one of our
TNT broadcasts specifically about Zucarello and saying that Dallas has
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to get Hints back at some point. And we all
know about slotting players and where they are in a
particular lineup, but you're asking guys to, you know, to
kill penalties, and you're asking guys to play with your
top players where a guy like Hints at the center
rice position, they were very thin at the center ice position.
That being the Dallas are you can't be thin against
the Colorado Avalanche, and I think for the while, after
winning that series and getting Zuparello back double m that
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that is a difference maker there, because, as I said earlier,
has that unbelievable chemistry with Carell caprice Off. I think
it's a series I like, I mean, I'm hearing people
think that Colorado's gonna win in.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Five or whatever.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I would be absolutely shocked if that's a five game series.
Like I think Minnesota's goaltending the way that they can defend,
and they do have game breakers and Capriceoff and Zukerrella
and oh, by the way, they got guys like Quint
Hughes and brock Favor on the back end.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Edzo, let's talk Derby, and I just want to preface
by saying it's the fact that Edso's first appearance on
this show was nineteen eighty four, his Olympic year, and
he picks the Kentucky Derby winner every single year. Edso
is vice paid cash for my suv. And so, who
do you like tomorrow? Let's make some money.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Okay, I'm gonna give you three horses that if you
want to, you know, bet them all to win or
box them up in an e Zac detrofecta. It's a
it's a real competitive, very full disclosure. I like the
twenty horse, but he got scratched, so I had to
re I had to reshuffle the deck pretty quickly here
in the last thirty six hours or so.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
But I'm going I'm gonna bet that my pick is
going to.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Be number fifteen emerging market for Chad Brown and Flavian
Pratt only run two career races, two for two, and
I think for them, the ownership group and the trainer
to put this horse in this type of the situation
with nineteen other eighteen other horses in front of one hundred
and sixty thousand people, they must really think that this
horse has got some ability. Now it's asking an awful
lot to go a mile in a quarter, but I
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think the horse has bred for it. You got a
great team and a trainer and jockey. So right now,
currently eleven to one to mark with the number fifteen,
and that will be emerging market the favorite in the
race if he wasn't in post position number one, because
we haven't had a post position winner out of post
number one since nineteen eighty six. Our time mark the
legendary shoe Willie Schuemaker and Ferdinand won from post position
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number one, so we know that's been a long long
time back in nineteen eighty six. I'm going to use
him because I think he's the best horse in the race,
but I just don't know how clean of a trip
he's going to get coming from post position number one.
You know what, I do like number nineteen golden tempo,
but I would put him in the same.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Category as number eleven. Incredible.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
And also the six horses name is just I'm dying
a blake right now because I've seen so many horses
go before me here and in the last little commandment,
I'm sorry, number six is commandment. So I'm going to
use three horses in behind behind the fifteen and one,
and then I'm gonna use the six, the eleven and
number nineteen. Don't forget number eighteen further reduce, so I'll
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give you another one right there, So fifteen with one
and then with the six, eleven, eighteen, and nineteen.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
So if I want to box up, then I'm going
fifteen and one and then I wheel that on the
nineteen eleven and six.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Three different boxes for.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Yeah, you could play it's called the part wheel. But yeah,
you can use the fifteen first, the one second, and
play those other four horses third, and then you could
box up the one fifteen like in an exacta and
then you know, if you want to bet the fifteen or.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
The one, then you know, feel free.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
But that's how I'm gonna play it on a fifteen
to one exact debus, meaning the fifteen has to win,
and then a one has to finish second or vice versa.
And then in the trifecta part, the fifteen's gotta win,
the ones gotta finish second, and then either the the six, eleven, eighteen,
or nineteen has to finish third.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Edze, I'm looking off into the distance. You know what
I see. I see a house on the lake. I
see a boat at the dog. I can smell the money,
and so I want to ask one more question. There's
a horse called renegade. I hope he doesn't run like this.
Oh number one, my god, Oh that's the Steelers writing song,
and so I hope he doesn't run like the Steelers
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in a playoff game.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Well, if you're a sixth fan, you're gonna bet the one,
and I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
There you go, Edzo, great stuff, Give the boys my best.
I see Nick as you know when he passes through,
and we'll talk again after the derby.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
See a double mtio.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
That's ed Zo.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
There you go, oh fifteen one, and then to finish thirty.
They're nineteen eleven, six or eighteen. Bet over your head,
not with it, because like I said nineteen eighty four,
how many years is that Edzo's picked the winner every time?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
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Speaker 4 (28:35):
Thanks to Edzo for joining us. His picks.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The fifteen horse to finish first, the number one horse
to finish second. That's renegade. The Steelers finished first last year,
ran poorly in the playoffs, and then uh horses nineteen eleven,
six and eighteen to come third and put the top
two in a box boxes with them either. We'll replay
(29:00):
Zoe's picks a bit later because he states it's so
eloquately well you can tell he loves it, can't you, Tom?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah, And then he referenced that thing about the guy
coming from post one. They haven't had a winner since
nineteen eighty six. Like, who else brings you a stat
like that?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, to be fair, he's calling the rate. You know,
he's doing analysis on NBC. But honestly, nobody knows more
about this than Edzo. Like I know, at first people said, oh,
why is a hockey player doing this?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Because he deeply cares and knows what he's talking.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
About, and he's just a great analyst in general, great
on television.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And that is how I like to bet. That's why
I got specific with ed I like the three horse box.
I'm just stopping it. I'll be going on bet Parks
or or I don't know, I might have dinner at
the rivers. I'm gonna be betting, betting the three horse box.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
I hate to bet on Renegade.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Yeah, it's bad juju there, don't you think? Although, well
not the.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
McCarthy's taken over though, I'm just as glad he's not
riding the horse.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
But Renegade's a defensive thing. Though that's not McCarthy's bag.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Maybe the horse will start running backwards. Tom, what do
we got for the trifecta?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Well, with horse racing in mind in the Kentucky Derby.
For this trifecta, I've got three TV or movie scenes
that had to do with at the track horse racing.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I would have gone with the three most famous TV
or movie horses.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
I would have gone with mister d ster Ed. Is
there any other one you could think of? I like
mister radd Maybe the horse from Half Baked. Remember that
horse that they fed the marijuana?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
What about that horse, Gus, the one that's a mule
the Kickfield goals?
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Is that the full time? That might be before my time?
I don't know what you're talking about there.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Number three.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I'm going way back machine in this one, Easy Money
nineteen eighty three, the scene when Dangerfield and Joe Peshi
are at the horse racing and they bet on the
chariot race and the guy starts pulling the brakes on it.
They're jockey, and they lose, and Joe Pesti jumps over
the stands and tackles the jockey off the chariot and
starts beating him up.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Typical Peshi.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I'd almost forgotten the Dangerfield and Peshi we're in the
same they teamed up for that movie, So that's a
good call.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
What else?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Number two, We're gonna go to the TV show Entourage
when they go to the track and they bet on King.
Drama bets on King and he loses after being in
the lead, and he feels so bad that they're gonna
kill him and put him down that he ends up
buying King. And that's the whole episode. Remember he foists
it off to I think it's that director his daughter's
birthday party. He brings the horse and he's like, who's
a gift for you?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Not bad that I forgot about that storyline an Entourage
the King.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I know where you're going with this though.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I just came up with number one, and if you
blow it, I'm gonna be pissed TV.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Yes, Seinfeld, No, Okay, go ahead. OTB though with Kramer
at Seinfeld when he's watching the horse and he's going,
come on and he's bat beating his butt, beating his butt,
beating his butt.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Is that the one where the weirdos from OTB show
but at Fest of.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Us Dinners exactly right, because they're kind of stalking you.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Like he goes crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Because he wins so big on the horse that they
start to like crowd in on him at the window
because he's like, I want give me my money, and
then they start following him on the subway and all
that crap.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
You know what you forgot, Sopranos pie am I I've
never seen the spranos.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You're fired from doing the trifecta which is brought to
a spy, which is brought to a spy. Uh, Danny's
patron Hogies Family owned It Operators is nineteen sixty. Uh,
that's our rude ad in Bethel Park. Yeah, Ralphie killed
the horse really because the horse was sick. It was
costing too much money to keep alive, and he burned
on the stable. He killed the horse, and Tony killed
(32:16):
Ralphie because of it.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Why because he didn't give a permission to burn down
the stable or.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
No, because Tony was part of under the horse didn't
horse and Ralphie was too. But that's like you know,
so yeah, this segment, this hour of the show brought
to us by our good friends at Shanderovi Shendrorovs and Fishman.
We've been talking about a quarterback uh with the Steelers.
With Drew Aller coming in, I believe to be the
(32:41):
long term number one, although that won't happen overnight. And
since that he got Burrow and Baltimore of course has Lamar,
it's looking more and more like DeShawn Watson is gonna
jump up the grave and be the started quarterback for Cleveland.
And I can see that because a He's getting paid
a ton guaranteed money forty six million this year and
(33:03):
be all their other quarterbacks sucks. You might as well
play Watson. Yeah, now he's healthy, And think about this.
Cleveland had a pretty good draft and they got Miles Garrett.
What if Watson can discover what he used to be.
It's a long shot, but I'm not sure the Steelers
need this. I think of all the choices that the
Steelers could have made for Cleveland a quarterback, they would
(33:24):
not have chosen Watson because of the potential upside. I
don't think they're worried about Dylan Gabriel's upside or should
Roar Sanders's upside or whatever that jimoke is.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
They drafted this year's upside.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Yeah, I think the what if factor is certainly intriguing
when it comes to de Shaun Watson and why the
Browns should do that. But the reason why they're going
to do that is just simply because of the money
and the owner really pushed for that contract in the
first place and bringing to Shaun Watson, and I bet
you he wants to at least try one more time
to see if he can get anything out of that,
because it's framed as like the worst contract ever given
out in sports history. Right now, if he can get
(33:56):
any any modicum back prwise on that, the owner would
love that.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, And don't you think that it's not out of
the realm that he could play good again. He was
one of the best quarterbacks in football in Houston.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
He led the league in passing yards and I know
that's not the end all be all, but that doesn't
mean you're slinging the ball around the yard a lot
in his last full season in Houston, and as a team,
Houston wasn't that good that year, but he was a
very good quarterback and the future was bright for the Texans.
He just needed a slight reload and then, of course
the injury and the massage parlor stuff happened.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
And he's only thirty, I know.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I mean, he could conceivably come back and be close
to what he was.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
He was a top tier quarterback with a ton of potential,
a ton of upside for the future in the NFL
before everything happened to him. So we'll see. I mean,
I'm not counting on him waking up all of a sudden,
but I do think obviously upside wise, he's better than
any of the other options. I also think the floor
he's probably still better than any of the other options
Cleveland has right now, Like he's just going to be
better than Shador Sanders, And.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Clearly they are not enamored with either Shador or Dylan
Gabriel or the new guy, and I think it's their
best bet.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I think I think Shador.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I think this is the year that if Watson plays
and doesn't play great, but he stays in there. I
think this is the year Daddy Dion runs his yapper.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
I think so too. And I think there is a
little bit of an enamorration from the ownership with Shadoor
because I think they forced that pick. But there's more
so with Deshaun Watson. I think so. I think he
kind of jumps in front.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Of the line.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
No good, He's no good. I agree with that. Who
has a harder ceiling.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Drew Aller was definitely way more talented than Shador Sanders was.
I mean, we're talking about a five star. He didn't
pan out this way at Penn State, but a nailed on.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Kallor had not broken his ankle, he would have been
drafted no later than the beginning.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Of the second round.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I agree with that he probably would have worked his
way into the first round two in such a weak class,
because I think that he would have bounced back slightly
at Penn State had he been able to work his
way through the year and put some decent tape together,
that would have talked teams into him. And people just
ignore because of what happened. He went to the freaking
semi finals two years ago. In college football.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
He's gone gonna beat the guy here, the Penn State
Guy's gonna do what the pit guy couldn't, the piss
hand pit guy ouch, and he's gonna do it under
the guidance of a quarterback whisper that's gonna turn the
Steelers around. You watch Tom, You watch so it has
been said, and so it will come to pass now
kind of pointing in the other direction.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
The Steelers declined a.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Fifty year option on Broderick Jones, the tackle they picked
in the first round, and that's the right move to
decline because of the next thing. But it's another wasted
draft pick. And what's hope Big Max?
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Ain't that?
Speaker 5 (36:32):
How about they haven't picked up like their past five
first round or fifth year options on their first round
draft picks. The only like caveat to that is in
twenty twenty they picked up Minkas, but that was Miami's
draft picks and they ended up trading for him, so
they just picked up that fifth year option like that.
That is a very stiff indictment, I think, and players
have been useful like Najie Harris that they just decided
not to pick up the option for.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Butrell Edmunds a useful player.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
They didn't pick up the option for where we signed
him though at a cheaper rate, so that was a
good move by the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
But it's just azation.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
It's it's just it's telling that there hasn't been in
five tries now that nailed on guy that you don't
even think about it. Oh yeah, we're picking up your
fifth year option. That's good business for us.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
And I do feel bad for Jones Tom because with
the injury and the Steelers constantly putting him in a
position to fail, switching him from side to side, and
they did that for the sake of Dan Moore junior.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
He bum that's the part that is the worst. I mean,
you're talking about probably the worst left tackle in football,
got a ton of money by the Titans, and then
went on to be statistically speaking, one of the worst
left tackles in football. You could argue that he's one
of the key contributors to the hindrance of cam Ward's
development because he was just such a bad left tackle.
To serve him like he was your first round pick
(37:43):
when he was picked in the fourth round was such
an egregious air by this organization.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I don't know if I've asked you to predict this,
but what's the starting offensive line going to be for
Game one?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Have you said that yet?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
I haven't said it. I don't think on this show.
I've said it elsewhere. I'm gonna go Faltanu on the
left side. They'll throw him to the left gimme dunker
at left guard. I think I think mcarthy's gonna be
willing to put that rookie in the fire a little
bit more than previous coaches have. And then the center
and right guard is obviously Fraser McCormick. And then he
Hanatore takes over at right tackle.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Do you think he well, Mike McCarthy said on the
show early this week, plug and play.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
I think he He didn't say right tackle.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
He said he kind of did, didn't he. Yeah, but
he also said he's plug and play. I think plug
and play at that right tackle spot. It makes a
lot of sense sense. That's where he played in college.
That's where he's comfortable. I will I will say this
I I've seen because I don't extensively research stuff like this,
but I got curious. I saw a couple like YouTube
cutups of be on a chore. He is his feet
a really special.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
Oh the upside is out of control. No, this is
absolutely a pick that you know, five years from now,
he could be one of the better picks in this
draft class. But it's it's a pick with eye. It's
towards the future a bit. I mean, this is a
developmental first round pick, no question.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I wish they would treat this year as a developmental
year and work with a young quarterback and get them
in not just preseason games but NFL games and look
big picture at long last. But they're just not gonna
do that. That's why we need Rogers to come in
and get hurt. If he got hurt, it would be
absolutely the best thing for the team.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
I was just gonna say that they could do that
what you said organically. If Rogers just a decides to
f off or b gets hurt when he comes in
early in the season, then it just organically shifts into
being that developmental year with the Hontroy out there and
Drew Aller at quarterback, and maybe Howard's in the mix too,
I don't know, But then it becomes seeing what you
got Tom.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
We got to SoundBite a little bit later Jennings Stunker
when he was in Iowa when a hey, bail tossing contest,
come and get some.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Now here's your chance to win one.
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