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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is an iHeartRadio New Zealand podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This week on Between Two Beers, we welcome back Dame
Lisa Carrington. Since we last spoke, Lisa won three Olympic
gold medals in Paris, bringing her career tally to an
astounding eight gold medals and surmending her place among the
world's greatest ever Olympians, so we had a lot to
catch up on. We talked about the teamwork involved in
the Cave for triumph, which added another layer to her legacy.
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There was a Between two Bears exclusive when she told
us about smashing world records at training, why she swerved
us at the Hallberg Awards, the truth about the most
difficult year of her career and how close she came
to walking away training through sickness, her relationship husband Bucky,
and why she makes him a coffee every morning if
she'll continue in the boat, becoming an author, and the
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most articulate insights into her elite mindset. This was a
really special episode. Lisa was an open book and there
are so many incredible nuggets of wisdom and inspiration and
realness sprinkled across this Ninety minutes after listening, you really
will understand how she's won eight Olympic gold medals. It's
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not just the discipline and the drive, it's the thought
that goes into every decision along the way. We felt
so incredibly privileged to have a front row seat with
New Zealand's greatest athlete and can't wait for you to listen.
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Speaker 3 (02:18):
Dame Lisa Carrington, Hi, welcome back.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, I'm bad.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Between two beers. Last time we had you on was
nearly two years ago. You've done anything insane?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah kind of Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
I've been around the world, Yeah, did a few racism Paris.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Congratulations, Thank you amazing. One of the questions we didn't
have an il list, but did you train? Have you
trained today? Have you what are you doing at the moment.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I went for a ski pedal this morning and we
saw dolphins.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
So that was a real treat. Yeah, so just.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Off Campbell's Bay Beach, Takapuna around there.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, it's amazing, sounds good.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
It was very it was cold though, so to brave
the elements, we got to see dolphins.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I've heard one of our most prominent sports people. So
sometimes when you don't want to do it, you's just
still got to do it. So now you were practicing
what you preached.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
During our first episode with you, we asked about the
Hallberg Award cans, which led to us getting involved and
presenting New Zealand's favorite sporting moment and doing some stuff
on the red carpet, and we saw you there, but
we're told not to bother you because we were doing
media and you just rolled in before the event started
through a side door and it was very baller. But
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did you just not want to have to deal with
our painful questions?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, you chated.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
It was real entourage though you guys came in lately
hard and like side door straight in into your table.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
I think at that point we were still really looking
after ourselves around COVID and getting zech and that type
of thing, and we had to leave. I think we
had trials not that long after, so yeah, there was Yeah,
I look back and it's like, yeah, it's pretty stroke,
but in a way it was that's how we could
enjoy the evening.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Yeah, I remember, do you remember like at the end
of the night, after you had won your I don't
know what number supreme award, you're getting the photo and
we were sort of like just a couple of dogs
and it was really I think back about it again,
we drove back down with them.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But there is talk of official kick on. Yeah, maybe
I've said too much, but maybe I have cats out
of the band. Yeah, if you're not training, we.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Could put you on the list please. Yeah, Buck, you
can bring a short pants again. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
That's a good seeing actually, because.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
The first topic I have on my list is Bucky
chat And yeah, I've had a couple of good conversations
with Bucky and prep for both of these episodes, and
we've got a bit of bents going on now. But actually,
a really nice place to start is talking about how
nervous he gets before your races. I just think it's
such a good sign of a healthy relationship, like how
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invested he is in it. So can you talk about
like how you guys communicate on like race day and
race week and what that dynamic looks like lack of communication?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Maybe?
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Yeah, I think it probably depends. It has depended on
year on year, And I think in Paris this year
it was because he was with me for those kind
of almost four months leading into the Games. My biggest
thing was to make sure I connected with him every morning.
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So I'd get up, you know, do a bit of
journaling and then we'd I'd make him a coffee with
me and then we'd just have a chat and connect.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And so I guess while I.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Was at Paris, he wasn't there. It was just the teammates.
It was all our canoe racing team. So I think
for me, I was like, oh, actually I need to
keep this up. It's so important for me to just
not stay so within myself. You know, my making my
own coffee journaling by myself. It's actually my biggest thing
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was actually to connect outside of me that it's not
all about me, So.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I I don't.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I actually don't really remember how I communicate with him.
It wasn't a lot like it might have been maybe
after one of the days we won. It would have
been in the evening. But yeah, yeah, I little bits.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Right, So you're telling us he wasn't spewing behind.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
It wasn't due to anything else, was it. Yeah, No,
I have no idea, so I guess I also, yeah,
I have no idea how nervous he gets. But I
can imagine, yeah, that he would worry a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Well as a view public. I was nervous way back
here in New Zealand for some of your races. I
can't imagine how much more it is when you're directly
connected with that person.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And you've seen all of the work which we're going
to talk to you into it. You know how how
hard someone has.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Worked to get with you.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah, yeah, And I think to like, I guess that's
something that I will never quite understand as maybe one
day is just watching someone else and knowing what it takes,
because I think in those moments it does become all
about the people you're with. And I guess you and
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it's hard, right, He's got no control over the performance anything.
He wouldn't know how I was feeling. Maybe Gordy gives
him a little message or calls lets him know what
I'm up to, and maybe that's how we communicated relationship needs.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
You need someone to help mediate those conversations.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Right, I'm going to get it. We're going to get
into more detailed thought stuff. But still in our Bucky section.
I was talking to him and he said, you went
for a pedal together recently, and I asked if he
ever challenged you to a sprint, and like, does he
ever just fancy just like to see how see how
he would compare. And he said, in the early days
he thought he might have had a shot, but he
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never lined up against you. But he did say that
he ended up racing one of your teammates, which is Alisha.
And so Bucky has a background in the water, right,
he's like a world champion life saver. And I think,
you know, perhaps Alisha didn't know background to start with.
And anyway, they got talking about a race and they
had some bets on the line.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Can you tell us about what that was?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, so it was really great.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I guess this was I think this was one of
the first trips back he had come on with this team,
but they's with LK four would live Tara and Alisha,
and so I think this might have been last year,
and you know, I was like, oh, you know, Bucky's
coming down. He's going to come for a pedal and Alicia,
she's competitive, She's like, oh, yeah, we're doing fifty meters sprints.
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She we don't have a go and so he's like, yeah,
all right, here we go and like, okay.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
What's on the line. Bas like, yeah, I need to
get a haircut.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
And then he goes to a Leisha, all right, if
you get to shake my hair, I get to shave,
I get to cut your ponytail off.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
And she lost it.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
So it was amazing, like watching she had to talk
to Gordy about it, like really serious, and I think
it might have been fuck his sick in session or
you know pedal that he'd done, maybe even the first
and I think she got so worried about her ponytail
being cut off that she peddled the fastest she'd peddled
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that year. So he really contributed to the performance.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
The fastest.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Yeah, but it was surprising even though I was surprised.
I was like, oh, he wasn't even that far behind.
I was like, watch our other girls, who's coming? So
then we tease the girls this year is like who's
that next?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Get them going?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
At least.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
You also said he got involved in some of your
spike ball games while you were on tour as well.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, you got involved in Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I may have said to him, I didn't think you
were I didn't realize you were that good like I
thought you were unco It may have offended him a
little bit. Yeah, so we we get into some good
spike ball before gym, before getting on the water.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, have you ever done Have you ever played spike ball?
Speaker 7 (10:31):
No?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
It is the kind of game like it has the
potential for you really to just start throwing yourself around
as well. Do you have to play within yourself? Imagine
you and your teammates would be quite competitive, like Bucky,
be able to go everywhere. But do you have to
hold back?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
We make sure that there's no kind of divots in
the ground.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
No, we go, we go pretty hard.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, but you've also got to have the skill to
hit this, to hit the net. Yeah, so you've got
a balance if you go too hard, you.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Miss the net. So yeah, but we're very.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Competitive and it can get it or personal sometimes, but
it's a great way to remind yourself.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
It's just a game.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
It's like a little mini tramp in the middle and
you like whack a ball. You've got to move around.
But yeah, not just for kids. Yeah, I've thrown myself
around playing it, and I would like to see.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That for the record.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Back he said he can still beat you in swimming
in table tennis, but he does concede that you would
beat him in the spread.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, Like we recently for a table tennis table and
so we had a few games and I can't believe
how angry I get when I start losing, and he's
just kind of happy. But then I got really close
to him once, but I'll practice without him.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
So he doesn't get any better.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You've kind of alluded to this, but I want to
flesh it out a little bit. So I asked him
for like interesting fun behind the scenes stories and he
said one great thing that have in France and the
build up was after Lisa had one of those deep
convos with David Galbraith and he was trying to get
her to think about connection with people or looking to
serve others before yourself, and his solution for her was
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in the morning, rather than waking up and making herself
a coffee, she had to wake up and make me
a coffee. So that was something I enjoyed for a
good two months overseas. And then he says, so the
first thing she had to do in the morning is
make wake up, make me a coffee. And of course
one morning DG is on the phone to me because
we'd catch up as well. And I don't know if
he said it to her, but in his quirky sort
of mind and state, he referenced the famous once we'll.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Worry about a friggin coffee bottle it, Lisa, I can't swear,
don't Before we go back to that, you're talking about
Dame Lisa being that's character again.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
My little spy on the inside of your team suggests
that you know all of the lyrics the Questionable X
as well to some of the rap songs on your
Clanging and Being playlist.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Is that right? But you don't self censor when you're
singing along? Is that true?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah? It's true.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah, I think I thought about this, and I
wonder where you get your music influence from. And I
think it was from my older brother. I remember being
maybe ten or eleven. He would have been about fourteen
or fifteen, and you know, he bought Eminem's latest album.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And we were listening to it. Yeah, and it was
I think.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
You know, when you have older siblings that are right
into hip hop and rat I think it's it just
has never left me. Yeah, don't worry. Dad snapped the
CD because it was tough stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
There's some tough stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
I mean millennials or they then when they listen back
to it now and they're just horrified.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
By some of this. I'm a millennium or the other one.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Anyway, back to the studio.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Tell me about the concent What is the concent they're
serving someone else?
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Absolutely, I think what I got to a stage where,
you know, making my own coffee and journaling myself, it
becomes kind of a self I wouldn't say self facial.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
It's more self centered.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
In a way that I'm just reflecting on my own
I'd look after myself, and at that point it was
really important for me to start to think that it's
not about me, it's about reaching out, it's about connecting
outside of myself. So the smallest thing to do every
day was just to make sure that I looked after
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someone else first, and being under quite a bit of pressure,
and especially leading into the games, it was so important
for me and I would always self protect. So it's like, okay,
look after myself, I will, I don't. I need to
make sure that this morning, I need to like journal,
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stay really and like within myself and write down everything
in my head where it's I think at that stage,
it's like, well, actually that's not helpful anymore. You need
to look outside of that. Yes, journal, Yes, serve through
my thoughts. But the hardest thing for me to do
at that moment was actually to see someone else, to
connect to hear them, to share what was going on
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for me. And so that was like a really small
step and the data slow down and go not rush
and do something for him, which really helped in my process.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Of just waking up.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Slow down, Lisa, Like, you don't need to be perfect,
Just make a coffee for Bucky and you know, journal,
but in a way journal with him.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, So it was awesome to have him there.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yeah, did that. Little man's a genius. Sometimes I'm just
thinking about like that. But did that just to sort
of start opening up other other areas and other kind
of thoughts of you and how you interacted with your
team and your teammates as well.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Yeah, so I think and I guess what it all
is for me at this point because I was, yeah,
under so much pressure.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I needed to keep reaching out and I.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Needed to be able to be unfiltered, to be myself.
And so that was the smaller step. Connect with Bucky,
next step, connect with Gordy, next step, connect with the girls,
and for me being seeing them, looking them in the eyes,
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opening up, it just as amazing how important the relationship
is between two people. And so you know, I, you know,
that was really important for me to do that with Bucky,
making him a coffee. Obviously he loved it, and I'm
still doing it now. Sometimes I forget and he reminds me.
But also like I was, like, goody, look, I also
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need to make sure that we interact as soon as
we you know, we're all staying in the same accommodation,
you know, as we get down to the sheds or
the boats, it's like, hey lord, it good morning, how
are you today?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Not like what's next?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
What are we doing on the water, because I think
in those moments, you're just like, I need to survive
to be I need to be my best, I need
to be perfect. So what's the next step instead of
just okay, let's take a breath, where are we at?
And so, yeah, it was for me, it was just
so important to keep reaching out because I kept closing
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And yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And is that very different from the previous campaigns?
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Uh, I'm not sure. I think I have a natural
kind of sense of looking after protecting myself, not letting
people see the imperfections or them judging me. So that
was really I had to I think with the immense
pressure of this of Paris, I think that that was
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the thing that was holding me back. So by just
letting the girls see when you know you say you know,
Dame Lisa, it's like, well, actually remove the title. It's
just Lisa, you know. Like and the more in my
mind that I built up the ego or the layer
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of like I need to be perfect, this is who
I need to be. You just layer them on and
on and on, and I think it doesn't help being
successful or being in media or people being really nice,
like it's it's fine but also I have to constantly
be you don't need to be perfect, like it's okay
for people to judge you can.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I remove the title too, because I always in trouble.
Carrington just the last part of Bucky Chat. So I
was interested to hear that DJ and Dave Gelbraith is
such a hero.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Of our listeners.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
People love the way he thinks episode with him, and
he's been involved with so many athletes we've spoken to,
but him talking to Bucky as well. Is that because
Bucky is part of your team? Is that helping him
with his own thing or is that to help get
his mind right to support you.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Yeah, I think it's I guess from a sense like
it was really important that the support that I got
was really aligned, and you know, he would talk with
Bucky and Gordy and so I guess those are, you know,
people that are really helping me be myself. And so
I guess it's just complete alignment along what's important. And also,
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like I guess, because I'm not the best sharer, it
can be really hard for Bucky when I've had this
great conversation with DG and then I've expected that Bucky
knows exactly what we've spoken about, and I jumped straight
into the next thing. He's like, well, what just happened?
You've just left me behind, Ben, So yeah, and also
just how he can support me, and also like I
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think there's obviously parts there that will be supporting Bucky
as well.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, I wasn't a part of
those conversations.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, the decision on your future. And I'm not asking
you what the decision is, but Bucky is obviously a
big part of that. Do you set aside certain times
to talk about it or is it kind of just
like an ever present part of you know that what
every day?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Yeah, I think we definitely. Like when I don't, I'm not,
like I said, I'm not the perfect communicator. And so
at this it's been really good at the moment, not
having training, not striving for any goals, nothing really distracting
me or taking any energy away. So it's been a
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really good time to kind of have like nut out
some good conversations. So I think prior I really we
I really had to. We had to make the time.
And at the moment, I guess he's still you know,
he's We've just made allowed a lot of time to
be able to spend time with each other at the moment,
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because it's been pretty tough to last I don't know
how long many years.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Yeah, when we spoke to you last, ye were kind
of you were right in the middle I guess of
two cycles between Tokyo and and Paris. Yeah, you seem
a very different Lisa to the one that we spoke to. Yeah,
you do, We definitely do. And as well, what was
that man?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
That was just a loud noise that was great, but
you Yeah, and as we'll get to I think it
came across definitely from from again from a punter sitting
on the other side of the world observed you.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
It definitely looked that way.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, I guess I think.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
You know, I grow all the time, and with our team,
the I guess you just start. I started to realize
what or where I could grow, and for me, it
was actually about being more myself sharing. I don't know
if it's sharing, but it's actually just not been afraid
to be me. And the more I could do that,
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the more I stop questioning myself, worrying what people think.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I still do.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Don't get me wrong, but there was just a moment
I'm like, well, actually, it's way better for my teammates
when I'm just me and I'm not worried about what
they think. You just look after each other and you
create a space where when you stop worrying about the judgment.
I think that's when you start accepting yourself a lot more,
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and then you inherently accept everyone else.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, you've come to the right place yourself and to share.
Because we have got some stuff to talk about.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Okay, So I'm keen to pick up the chat pre Olympics,
and we've heard you had some really special sessions in
the lead up to the games. Now this info has
come from a very very well placed authority and maybe
between two beers exclusive, But just how fast were some
of those times and the sessions before Paris?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Is this?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah? Really fast?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
How fast?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Yeah? I mean we yeah, I broke You can't break
world records and training, but you know, by going three
seconds faster than the world record and training gives you
a lot of confidence.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Three seconds yeah, yeah, holy shit? Yeah, what does that
feel like when you go far? Asked? Then a word
record in a training setting.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I think, Yeah, I guess the reason why we started
to I didn't. I mean, the thing is I'd never
had done time trials like I had been doing before Paris,
and I think in good reason. They're they're pretty tough.
Like texting, they take away from a sension that you
could possibly do. And so we then between the ten
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weeks between the end of the World Cups that we
just raced and the Paris Olympics, we've done ten time
trials over the K four, the K two, and the
K one, and so I think you don't have no
idea what time you're doing because it all hurts.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I think the first time we spoke.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yeah, so I think all I think. But what was
amazing as I started to go, Wow, I can There
was a specific time that I would wanted to do
in the five hundred meters in the K one, and
then I was like.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Oh, maybe I just can't. And God is that Yes?
You can?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I know you can. You can go faster than the
time that you think you can do. I'm like, oh,
but that's just not happening. But in the same you
just don't give yourself the opportunities, particularly when you're racing.
So then what learning about taking on the pressure of
a time trial, the expectation, focusing on the task. I
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think I started to become more and more confident, and
it was just strange, right, like how much more confident
can you get? But it's all about the strategy, taking
the right strokes, focusing on the right things, the technique.
When it starts getting hard, what do you do? How
hard do you go? All these things? And I think
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by the end it was just so amazing to have
done and gone through the challenge of really understanding what
that race was going to be like, and particularly because
I was doing three events so and they all required
different things, so really the task was massive. So it
meant that I had to drill down exactly what I
needed to do. And so when I think, you know,
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arriving at Paris knowing I'd gone really fast, I think
I wasn't questioning myself. I was just like, Okay, let's
just like, as long as I just focus on the job,
it's going to enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It's going to be what it's going.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
To be when you break the world record by three
seconds and training and you get that information related to you,
I'm not sure if you're in the boat. I'm sure
at that point, like what happened. Are you celebrating as it,
Are you taking a moment to appreciate what you've done,
or do you kind of just like park it and get.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
On with it.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Balance I think it's like, wow, I don't think Gordy's
told me until a few days later.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
And I also is also.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
That feeling like, man, I just don't want to know
because I don't want to know if it's bad. But
I think that's what I learned when we were doing
these time trials. It's like, you know what, whether it's
bad or good, you just got to do the practice anyway.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
You got to try, so receiving.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Feedback if it's bad or if the time isn't great,
it's not that it's bad. It's like you're doing this
to learn. So it's convincing myself every time we line up,
it's like, there's no bad outcome here. You just need
to go as hard as you can and not be
afraid of you know, and also not attaching the time
to your identity and who you are, which as athletes.
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And I'm sure many people find it. It's what we
do in the end, you know, was.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
It just you or was it you plus the team
also smashing these pretty impressive Yah?
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean yes we did.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I did. I did a few more than the other
you know then and the K one that I did
in the K two and K four, But yeah, we
were we were doing pretty well and the K four
it was pretty good. A K two was going awesome
as well. But yeah, I probably didn't make as much.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, the other.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
A particular, I love your reaction when I'm bringing that up.
I love to just so you know. Gordy has given
us this information and he said it would be good for.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
You to share it, and I'm not putting any pressure
on you.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But there's another part to it too, And he said,
we also heard that you had a couple of not
so good sessions or a couple of accidents close calls.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Yeah, so you're talking about the time where I had
to pull off to the side and.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
I don't know, I don't know what it is. The
information with what she says, it could be alarmed sound.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
So we were kind of about I don't know, we
might have been about ten days out or you know,
two weeks out from.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Paris, and.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I woke up in the middle of the night, and
I was like, okay, I need to go to the
bathroom number two.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I was.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Yeah, yeah, and then okay, maybe like a couple hours later, again,
hour later, again, and again I was like, oh man,
and I didn't feel good and we had a key
session in the morning. So I was like, man, I've
had not a lot of sleep, but I really wanted
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to do this session. I know how important it is
to my performance. Like and so I was like, gaudy Block,
I've been you know, on the toilet for half the night,
but like I I just don't know what to do
because I feel that if I don't do it, I'm
being a pussy. If I do do it, I might
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be you know, I could be unwell and make it worse.
And so he's okay, just leave it for a few
hours and just see how you are, so you know,
talk to the dock. He was kind of like, well,
the worst thing you could do is just not replace
what you're losing. So really it's about it was about yeah, energy,
(30:33):
and I think I felt okay, but really deep down
I was like, I think I can do it, but
what if I end up making it worse? And so
you know that dun Emma was kind of happening, and
you know.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Still felt a bit sack.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Keep still keep going to the bathroom, but got less
and less. So we're like sat down at maybe ten am,
and good, is okay? Why don't we just go? Do
you want to do this? Like does it actually matter?
And I was like not really, Like we don't have
to do this session. We can make it up somewhere else.
And I was like, actually, why don't we just give
it a go, Like, see, we'll just do one like
one shit maybe I think one seat was like three
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minutes long or something like that.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, four minutes.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
So went down to the to the lake, doing warm
up thirty minutes and then into the warm up, I.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Was like, oh, I've got to go.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
So I pulled off to the side and I had
to get out, and I as you go and I
was like it's okay, but I feel okay, get back in.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
I started the session. We're like, whoa, that was really good.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
That first sit went really well, this is this is
on and I was like, oh my gosh, and.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Then pedaling but oh my gosh, I need to go again.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Luckily the club was close, went up to the club,
got back in my boat and then started the session again,
started the peace like, wow, that's another really good set.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Oh, no, need to go.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Again, pedaled back to the club when and yeah, And
so I did that every time, and I couldn't believe
that I was doing it, and I was like, I
don't know if I can do one more set.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
And by the end it was it was unreal.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I don't It was like I stopped caring about the
outcome and was like, well, I know that I'm I
can't blow myself out here. I can't just go all in,
So how what am I going to do to survive
this session? But just get it done? And through that
I learned how to paddle better, My technique improved. I
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was like, I suddenly unleashed this like thing that I
was trying to do for so long. We just trusting
in my fitness and I did it and it didn't
impact my I just couldn't believe it. It didn't impact
my ability to recover. I was fine. I was like,
what what is happening? So I was like, yeah, you
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just get this bug for like twenty four hours or
twelve hours, whatever it was, and it really only impacts
you if you don't eat properly. So I mean before that,
I was like, what if I stuffed myself for the Olympics.
But I guess that was I guess when you're riding
eight blankers on people, Oh, you know, at least it
just be careful.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Gord.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
He's like, well, it's up to you, but you can
probably do it. And I was, yeah, it's strange. I
mean I wouldn't I wouldn't go tell someone else to
do that.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
But what I.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Learned there, I was like, man, we're actually way more
capable than we give ourselves credit for. I can't believe.
I'm usually I'm pretty careful. And yeah, I was like, man,
I just did one of my best sessions I've even
done with the shits.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Yeah, I guess like you're doing world record times like
that is a really happy accident around what happens if
at the games the night before, like to have that
confidence having actually physically done it, to know why I
can be shitting myself in the boat and still perform.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Yeah, And I think what I was trying, I guess
what I was learning and it's like such a mental thing.
Is that like what's distracting you in that moment I
was like, well, the thing that's distracting me is that
I'm worried that, you know, I might ship myself, but
also like what ifits makes me worse? But the docs
reckon it won't only you know, I just got to hydrate, eat,
(34:23):
It's fine. And so it was that that I just
had to turn down and go you know what, Lisa,
just paddle and so really it was just amazing to
be able to do that and know, yeah, exactly what
you said that if something goes wrong with the games,
it's like, whoa, that's a distraction, Like you can do
it if you really want to.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, So that was framed to us as could be
a love but that's an exceptionally inside into the mind
of a world champion. Again, unreal, Okay, thank you this
yearing that that was so good. Okay, Paris twenty twenty four.
You win three gold medals in three days and the
K one, K two and K four, and we're going
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after the detail here. Take us to the start, like,
tell us how you're approaching the whole regatta and perhaps
why this one is a bit different.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Yeah, I think I'd got to a point and worked
really hard to kind of be so open to the world,
to my team that working on that and you know,
being imperfect is fine, Like you know, failing is fine.
(35:38):
That when I got when we got to Paris, I
kind of was like, well, man, we're here, We've worked
this hard.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Let's just do it.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Let's just enjoy it, and nothing is too difficult. So
you know, like I think when you get nervous sometimes,
you know, do I have to go back down to
the lake?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Do I have to do this?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Suddenly I start trying to look after my energy all
this even though I'm not training as much, Like everything
is about protecting and making sure it goes right. But
I think what happened it was like, you know what,
I'm going to do everything I can to make sure
that we have the best performances. And so turning out
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it was like what do I need? Who do I
need to be today? And I was like, you know what,
I need to be the best teammate today. So one
hundred percent open to the girls, give them a big
hug in the morning.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
You know what, I can't wait to do this with you.
This is so epic.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
We finally hear we've worked really hard for this, and
I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
We know exactly what to do. I can't wait to
get out there.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
So having that attitude of this is freaking awesome living
a dream.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
It's like this will be gone in a second kind of.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
All those things that you know bring me to embracing
the moment and like when I it's actually so difficult
to prep your mind and to that place when you're
shit scared, like, man, we might not do this, but
you kind of got it.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, turned down the.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Volume of what if and the worry and the fear
to but what can we do? You know what? The
most important thing is leaning on the team, opening up,
loving them, caring, giving them a big hug, you know.
And it's amazing the what you get back from that.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Did you start every day with a katakia at the lake?
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:32):
We did.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Yeah, so and a part of being in the team,
you know, like we we had rituals that really helped
us when you're I don't know, for us, getting four
people on the same page was always really tricky, especially
when you've got to do exactly the same stroke.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Like telepathically down the course.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
So, yeah, we started each day with the cut of
here we go down to the water on the GD
and and really the cut of kir would just talk
to us being a four plant you know, any ah,
any rope that's holding your ponamo will.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Probably be a four plat. How that is.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
The tighter that four plat is, the stronger it is.
So that's kind of how we saw ourselves. The more
connected we were, the stronger we were, and there, you know,
more challenge we could take on.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
That's so good.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
So I spoke to Cordy and I want to start.
I want to break these down. I want to do
the K four first. So Gordy on the K four
win said, I think it's hard to overstate it because
the K four has been in the Olympics in nineteen
eighty four and no nation has been in Germany or
Hungry at the Olympics in the K four except the
first year when there was a boycott by those two nations.
So basically ever since it's been a thing, no nation
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has been in Germany or Hungry at the Olympics. So
for us to beat them as amazing. And I guess
New Zealand understands rugby, so it's an easy one to
put into a rugby analogy hung in Germany of the
New Zealand and South Africa of rugby, and we're a
small nation, so for us to compete against them, it's unbelievable,
let alone winning the only way that they did that
was just an incredible, incredible amount of work. Olympic gold
(39:21):
medals are ridiculously hard to win. Ten thousand people go there,
three hundred and twelve a handed out. Lisa got three
of them. It's just so rare. But to win a
team medal is even rarer, very very hard to do.
We didn't really have any right winning that thing other
than by working fucking hard. There are just so many
great stories in there that are nice to hear but
also great for people to take into their own lives.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
So tell us about the cave.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
That's really nice. Yeah, so much learning. I think, you know, we,
like Gordy said, we have not got the history like
those other countries, those other European countries. But I think
looking back when we first started attempting the K four
really and doing starting to do well in this sort
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of been sex or seven years ago, you know, you
witness the countries at one Hungary and Germany, and when
they cross the line, how much it meant to them.
You're like, there's a reason why there's so much history.
Why do they celebrate that hard when they cross the line.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
And so.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
It turns out you you know, and looking at you, like, man,
it means so much to them. We've got to if
we want to win, it's got to mean that much
to us. And so I think working in with the girls,
you know, developing such young athletes, and constantly pushing our
own beliefs and mental models around what it takes to
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be like a good person or a good teammate, how
we need to push ourselves physically. But it turns out
if when you push yourself mentally, you let go a
whole lot. And I what I got to see and
the girls is they became when we figured out what
we really wanted to achieve. It took a long time
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for us to believe that we could.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Win a gold medal.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
I don't know if we believed it until we won it,
but we put it out there and it took a
little while. And once we started, you know, working really
hard on what is it going to take, what does
it mean? And so we started, you know, you start
trying the fat, you stop doing things that don't matter.
The training becomes clear. You do exactly what you need
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to do. There's no wasted moments. And I think when
we become all aligned on the vision, the way we
talk to each other, what a team means, how to
technically peddle better, what we individually can do for each other,
to make each other better.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
All the little pieces.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Really, I don't know, it just really helped us start
trusting and feeling really comfortable in the environment when and
we then could be challenged to be like, actually, you know,
one big thing for us was timing. It seems really
obvious when you're peddling a K four and you've got
to do it all in the same time, and you
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know there's moments where people like, no, but stop picking
on me in time. It's like, well no, there's like
there's so many strokes you have to do and it's
hard to be in time. So if you adjust your
stroke this way, you do it better for the team.
So when we got the idea of you know, it's
not for me, it's not about me, It's about making
the boat grow faster, and I want to help the
person in front of me and behind me.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
Yeah, at least you spoke to energy forward energy backward.
Can you talk to that?
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Yeah, I guess, yeah. I don't know what she might
have meant by that.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Well, it was to paraphrase, it was you're at the
front of the boat. Oh yeah, so you set the
tone or most Yeah, And I think for her maybe
in the K two more than the K four, Like
just that confidence of you being back there and knowing
that if they and it's almost what you're speaking to now,
but if they do their job, it makes you a
better peddler. By you doing your job, it makes them
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a better power. So like you're just working in sync
that way.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
Yeah, absolutely so, I guess like that was constantly it
so the less I could worry about whether the girls
were doing what they you know, what they needed to do,
and the more that I could just be like, you
know what, I'm going to do my job and trust
that you guys are just going to be there. It's
amazing that when you trust each other and you trust yourself,
(43:46):
how much better we all go together. And so yeah,
there's and we all have elements in the boat where
you know what we bring. So for me, for Elicia
and I, it was a lot of it was around
me just putting my ears back and go, and she
just locked in and followed me down the course, and
I just trusted that she would be there even if
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I made a mistake. And the fact too that if
she made a mistake, I wouldn't worry. Like we had
a really cool moment we were racing at the World
Cups this year and it was just in a heat
and she missed the first stroke and we're like, oh, well,
we still got to go, come on, and so we
I think she got a little bit ruffled and then
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got straight back in and she's like, oh man, I'm
so sorry. It's like, ah, theysha, don't worry about it,
Like that was a heat, it's practice and you know what,
I'm going to go anyway, Like the gun's gone. We
can't worry about that stroke we missed. So what was
awesome was just learning it. It's like, you know what,
even in those moments, we've still got it.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
We've just August Scott to go.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I like how the team concept like went through all
of the different events. And I want to read what
Gordy said about the K I moved to the K
one when now he said, we had the idea that
the team was going to win the K one. Obviously
Lisa's the only one that can do it for the team, Like,
only one person can step up and take a kick
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to win the World Cup, but the team's got to
get the penalty in the first place, right, So that
was the narrative that we tried to have in the
back of our minds. So she doesn't have multiple narratives,
but she does have to know how to play three
sports at the same time. Like there's three different race strategies,
three different feelings. When you're peddling the boat. There's one
you've got to do it until you're on your own,
one's a relationship with another person, the other one's a team.
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So it's complex, but the headline principle was team. So
can you tell us about that how the team was
all involved even in the K one.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah, I mean it's a lot harder to It was
a theory that we thought, you know what, what if
we we believe that the K one is a team event,
And I think we just kept working together on what
that meant. And yes, like you know, there's only one
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person that could do it, but and it was like
for me, it was like, yeah, I've been given the task,
that's my task, but we as a team need to support.
I'm doing it for the team, and the team are
doing it for me. So I guess what was amazing
is that we could go through the K four being
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the team event, to then dropping down to the K
two being the relationship, and then the K one, and
so the way that the girls supported me in such
an authentic way. I guess it's so hard being the
person that is doing the event, and.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
You know, I don't know what they are going through.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
I actually think that they were, like you know everyone else,
really really nervous, like they couldn't control anything. They had
to be super calm, and so I think that they
just wanted me for me, just to do a good
job and the team, I think, and that was we
were out there. They just wanted me to do the
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best that I could do. Probably didn't really understand it
until I'd finished and cross the line and I was like, wow,
I can't believe we won three gold medals. And then
I went to the jeddy and there's Alicia running at me.
She's bailing her eyes out, same as Olivia. Tara's like
in the back running and I was like, oh my gosh,
(47:27):
I can't believe that these girls want, like how much
pride they have for a race that I did on
my own. And I was like, that is that is
team Like, that's them not needing to be at the
front row, needing to be at the you know, right
in the front with all the spotlight. And I think
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I was like, man, that means that they are such special,
special girls to be able to feel and be connected
to that performance. Because absolutely through the week we needed
to follow the plan exactly the way it needed to go.
Everyone needed to do their job for it to work
out the way it did, because if I went too
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hard and one race it would impact the next race,
it would impact the next race. So really every race
K four, K two, and K one was really to
help the whole week.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, if the teammates were nervous, Gordy certainly wasn't. He
said that he spoke about your state at the start
line of the K one race, and I think you
said something like you could have raised every other person
of all time and they couldn't have been there on
that day.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
You were just sowned in. Yeah, accurate.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 5 (48:43):
I think I was the most relaxed, the least like
I was nervous and everything, but I think I'd managed
to get myself to a place. So I was like
not going to let the worry, the fear like take
over for me for that day. And sometimes you can
use that fear, but I was I was completely kind
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of like I want to say, at peace, but also
just like, man, this is cool.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
I want to go out there.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
I was putting, I was stepping into it and and
I know how hard it is to get to that place,
and I was just so proud I could do it,
and yeah, it's just incredible. Just I thought, you know,
even in that week, I thought, you know what, as
a team, we've already won before we you know, won
any of these medals, because the way that we are together,
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you know, we're like a little little gang looking after
each other, you know, like don't know, kids in the playground,
Like we were really supportive. And I was like, this
is actually the work that we've been working so hard
for is to be in this moment, be one hundred
percent together. And I was like, yeah, we've we've won
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before we've even got out there. Whatever races, whatever, the
result is it will be what will be.
Speaker 6 (50:05):
Because like the actual manifestation of the win really came
to the four after the K one and I asked
Alisha about what it was like and because you do
the four, you win gold, and it was like acknowledge,
but we still got a job to do. Like the
two dropped off and supported the two of you in
the K two, you win, and then Alicia drops off
and supports you in the K one like they were
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doing the warm ups with you, doing the activations with you,
like you were that little click moving through the whole time.
Speaker 5 (50:34):
Right absolutely, And it was like I think it was
just supporting, so you know, love Wood. She was running
us through our activations, our stretches, our.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
Core work before you got on the water.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
Alicia, I think she needed something to do on the
K one day, so she was doing all the warm
ups with me to keep herself busy. So yeah, it
was amazing, Like and from my point of view, it
just meant I didn't have to think. I was just like, okay,
next thing was like least see you've got to do
this now. Okay cool, And so I guess I felt
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and that it was just so nice to not have
to be like, Okay, what time do I have to
start stretching or warming up or these types of things,
and also not to have their inkling.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
It's like, oh, where are the girls? Where have they gone?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Are?
Speaker 5 (51:22):
They're floating around like kind of hovering in a weird way.
But you know, when you spent so much time together,
it was just so normal.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
It was great.
Speaker 6 (51:29):
And then you do win, you have a celebration on
the gitty, which for me was the best. There was
a moment of the Olympics, but then, like contrast to Tokyo,
you've got a whole band of supporters there whether you
that can celebrate with you as well, Like was it
only at that moment that you finally realized the magnitude
of like what the week had looked like?
Speaker 5 (51:50):
Yeah, I guess I was finally able to celebrate it
more litter And I think actually that was what was
really different about other events and Olympics is that this
time I wasn't as we read about celebrating stopping moving on,
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and so you know, like what the most amazing thing
for me was winning the K four, was looking at
the girls who you know, the Germans and the Hungarians
who got silver and bronze. They were stoked, like to
be on a podium with twelve women, just absolutely stoked
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to be there and have done it for their country.
Compared to Yeah, when you're on your own and you're
up there, it's really special, but when you get to
share it, like it's a special event to be able
to be on the line with that many women and
just go for it, and then you know there's only
a few people that get to do it, and how
special it is for you to be able to share
(52:54):
it with them too. So to have that experience was
also really awesome.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
You use the term at peace before, and she drew
my attention to an interview you did with Chris Chang
on TV and Z afterwards, and so I can't really
describe it, but it just was like, and I think
at peace is a good summary, Like it was just
you know, you've just done it and you were just
in it.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Do you remember remember the interviews?
Speaker 5 (53:16):
Yeah, kind of yeah, Like I guess, yeah, I don't know,
like it was it was amazing, Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
This is what's so cool.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
You've got that forever, right, that instant moment that those
those feelings that you get straight away, and I think
I was just I was just so as pride, like
to have an incredible team, to have done it in
the four and then and the two with Alicia and
then on my own, but with the team, I think, yeah,
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and there was just no stone unturned, like leading into
the Paris. So for me, it was like, wow, I
can't believe we did something that I was so, you know,
that was hard to do and that was scary.
Speaker 8 (54:02):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah, that's the good, all right, So like that obviously
is really good. Talking to Gordy and Bucky, actually, Gordy
was like, look, if there was a Netflix sort of
documentary on Lisa's like three Golds, there would be some
really grundy scenes in the year leading up to it,
And I think perhaps at the Hallberg stage and throughout
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the year, stress, pressure, expectation. I think from the last
recording we did, I think I mentioned that it's incredible
that New Zealand's greatest ever Olympian has so much self
doubt and she's not sure of herself and things like that,
if you're open to talking about, you know, some of
the hard times and struggles and why they were hard
(54:49):
and where that expectation came from in that year, and yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (54:54):
Guess that was It's really hard to kind of I
only have in my memory certain moments that seemed to
stand out, but I think over you know, over the
year leading in and particularly like the last kind of
three months leading into and I'm sure there were moments before,
(55:15):
but it just being away for those three months leading
and to Paris. I think what what kind of happened
is slowly, it was like like creep came in, and
so slowly the pressure came in, and I probably didn't
realize how much pressure and expectation I'd put on myself
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and the team to perform.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
It took us a good.
Speaker 5 (55:48):
Year before we or even a year and a half
before we could say as a team and we said it.
It was just to us group, like the girls and
our coaches were like, we want to win three gold
medals and it's like, yeah, okay, And then it took
us a little while to to kind of really say it.
Speaker 4 (56:09):
And then believe it.
Speaker 5 (56:11):
But I think what ended up happening kind of as
we got closer and closer, as I.
Speaker 4 (56:17):
Was like, oh my gosh, it hit me. I was
like I don't know if I can do this. I
knew that.
Speaker 5 (56:24):
I guess having glimpses of you know, I guess, well,
when you're under that much preciure, suddenly I realized it
just started overflowing. It was fine, it was fine, and
then it wasn't. And so I guess that's you know,
Bucky took a big hit, and you know, Gordy takes
a big hit as well, and so I think at
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that point I was really saying to think, I don't
know if I can do it. I don't know that
we can do it. And we said that we would
do three gold medals, and I don't know if we
can and so I guess, you know, there's really that
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was like this massive thing that I had to slowly
work through. And it got to a point where I
was like, you know what, Lisa, just wake up, make
a coffee for Bucky, and then what are the good
stories you're going to tell yourself today? Because all I
could see was the shit stories. And it gradually and
then got to a point where when I kind of
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realized that I was putting a heap of pressure on
Gordy and Bucky. And once, you know, like I got
to understand how much pressure I was putting on them.
Speaker 4 (57:44):
I realized I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (57:47):
I it helped me by being shocked by how much
that impacted them. I was like, wow, okay, Lisa, wake up.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
This is not cool.
Speaker 5 (57:57):
And from that point I was This was probably about
two and a half months out, and I was like, Okay,
You've really got to start figuring out how to get
your mind into a place that's better than this, because
it was it was difficult. I was just saying shit.
I was just not feeling like I was good enough,
I belonged. All I would see is a bad things.
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And so once I kind of got that outside perspective,
once I could see someone else other than my own
kind of struggle, So, oh wow, that's not cool.
Speaker 6 (58:33):
Come on, in a weird way, do things have to
reach that rock bottom moment and a challenge like this
for you to come out the other side?
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Let me climb in on that. I want to read
your Gordy's words, because it's at of spects to that
most people that win a gold medal will have had
a period with a kind of not hit rock bottom,
but you kind of have a crisis and you're like,
holy fuck, what am I doing here? What am I
even thinking about going to the Olympics for? And you
just shit yourself. You're like a month out and you're
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like war and and then you lose it And most
people lose it and never find it again. I wouldn't
say we had quite like that, but we definitely had
a period where we had to really ask ourselves what
are we here for? What do we want? Who do
we want to do it with? Is this really what
we want? And then by going through that it made
us really strong and that made the difference. But do
you think that you had to go through that to achieve.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
What you did? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (59:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (59:30):
I think I guess because the I guess though, that's
what pressure and expectation. I purposely I chose that, and
I think that's what I had to keep reminding myself.
I chose this, and I knew that I needed challenge,
and so of course there was going to be a
point where it was like, Lisa, you you did you
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chose this path because you know you've got shit to
work out, not on other people, but but yeah, and
I think it was it was a point that, yeah,
it probably did help me a lot, because by the
(01:00:13):
it had to help, because by the time I got
to Paris, I was like, who is this person that's
loving every day? Like you're in the You're at you know,
the top of Mount Everest, and you're enjoying it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
You're loving the work, You're loving the pressure.
Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
And I think without having I guess that moment or
those moments leading in of you know, I was waking
up and going, man, I don't know if I can
do this. This is really freaking hard. I kind of
want to find a way out. But you know, those
were just honest questions that I did just to relieve
a little bit of pressure. It's like, well, at LISTA,
(01:00:48):
this is your choice. I'm like, that's right, Okay, So
what's the first step? Make a coffee for Bucky, connect
with Gordy, connect with the girls.
Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
Did you let the team in on those Yeah, those
really dark thoughts that you were having. This is a
responsibility to them as well, not just to yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
That's right, And I think that that's also what was
really difficult is that when I knew that my influence
on the team, and I was really aware that when
I was good, it was awesome. And then when especially
and also my influence negatively affecting the team.
Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
So and I didn't. I hated that and I couldn't hide.
Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
I couldn't when I didn't feel good, I still had
to turn up and I knew that I was affecting
the team negatively, and I was like this, I just
want to go away. But I guess that's through that
not having any choice but to kind of be there
and share with the girls.
Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
It's like, this is what's going on for me.
Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
And at times it was difficult to you know, there
would be that you know, little I don't know, little
person inside me saying, oh, they'm judging you now lia.
Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
You told them they think you're weird or.
Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
So I think it was absolutely important, you know, and
I'm be like, look, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to
say it like that. I'm really you know, to apologize
when it mattered. But also that accepting that we're not
all perfect, and if I can accept myself when I
don't do the things that I like to do or
share with people, it's like, well, actually, you're not here
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to be the most perfect person either.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Gordy suggested it might be interesting to contrast, like when
you were good to when you were scared, and he
highlighted the World Cup in Poland he said she was
pretty scared then, and I wonder, yeah, what what that means?
Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
Yeah, I think what was amazing about those World Cut
races is that they really identified how I was managing
pressure and like fear and worry and what was motivating me.
And I think at those those races it was like
just don't lose, and so the difference and then like
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we also, I don't know that and I don't think
you could expect us to be We went probably operating
as the best team, it probably didn't turn up in
the best shape mean and physically.
Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
We were at a stage.
Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
In our training that wasn't really ready for racing. So
like when you're not quite there mentally but yet I
expect to like just don't want to lose. Then what's
driving me is just fear and worry, and so I'm
really unable to focus on the task and what needs
(01:03:31):
to be done, and it actually is a lot harder
to enjoy the moment. Fast forward like three months, you're like, wow,
we've just moved mountains.
Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
Because that was Buckey's observation that Paris was like the
most joy he'd seen you.
Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Yeah, take from a regatta.
Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. I think, like and also
having teammates that really love paddling, like Alicia and Livia
and Tara. I think when you get to have people
that really when you're on a buzz and then you
keep building the momentum. I'm not building it on my own.
We're building the momentum. So you know, if you're a
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little bit down or not down but need a bit
of a lift, you know, there's already a momentum of
the team. So I think when people work together, it's
just amazing what you can get.
Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Out of, like take from yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
Your capability increases, and so does your mates.
Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Does it buzzy you out that you signed Delicia's single
it when she was.
Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
Like yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, it makes me feel
so old.
Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
That's a great full circle moment though.
Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
I mean she when we were I think we might
have been warming down in the caso after the race
in Paris as to we won and she goes, I
still remember the first time that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Gordy made me pedal with you, and I was.
Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Like yeah, and so like I just it's amazing to
think that what she has, you know, her life.
Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
I've been kind of a constant, a constant.
Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
And her journey of kayaking and to then be able
to cross the line and you know, she's Alicia's about
she's just just ten years younger than me. But to
be like, man, this is my mate, Like from this
little kid that I signed the to single it to
like crossing the finish line first it's a gold mid
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list Like.
Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Wow, it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
She feels exactly the same way because I was like,
what's it like like paddling with like a legion. She's like,
it's weird because she is, but she's also my mate.
Yeah yeah, she's like, yeah, she calls me the class clown,
but she's the one who is actually the clown and
just throws me under the bus. But yeah, yeah, that's
(01:05:54):
a surreal workplace to go to work every day.
Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Yeah, And I think maybe they we wonder that sometimes
it's like do I get younger to meet them at
their age or do they come up And I'm like,
you guys definitely don't come up with it.
Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Yeah, is there really only ten songs?
Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
It gets to a point where it's less Yeah, I
think when I think when you're in together and you
just like just want that song the way you feel,
and you just turn it on, especially if you've only
got a fifteen minute car ride to the course.
Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Yeah, yeah, five, Yeah it isn't.
Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Yeah, yep said five.
Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
Yeah, I'd go with the thought he says, not what
we say for.
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Everything that we've talked about, like the bond must be
so tight with the four of you since the games,
do you guys like go away together or if you
spend any time, like you know afterwards just the four
of you.
Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Yeah, no, we haven't.
Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
Actually we've been some of us have been on holiday
lives from christ Church, so we haven't been able to.
But yeah, like phone call catch up and like walks
on the beach.
Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
You've seen memes and the WhatsApp chat.
Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Yeah, sometimes I guess at least she's good at the memes.
Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
By the way, though, the one with the coaches sometimes
and it's the message to let straight away.
Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Oh sorry, wrong, chair, I think we've all done that before.
Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Okay, So present day, I imagine you after something like that,
you decide I'm going to take a month or a
couple of months and just relax and be myself and
figure out what they want to do.
Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Like, where are you at with it?
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Have you are you still in the decision making process
if you keep going or have you made a decision.
Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
Yeah, I guess it's I'm working through there, and I
get like it's it's been really interesting, Like it's actually
really hard to have done something and I've committed so
much of my life to to then go, oh, You've
got to think about other.
Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Stuff now it's like, oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
So yeah, I think I guess I'm really aware at
the moment that I have some decisions to make. So
I spent a good few few weeks just kind of
not even caring, just doing what I wanted to do, relax,
And I guess for me, I'm at a point now
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where I'm like I really need to make a decision
or just need to know where I want to go.
And so I guess I'm kind of eighty percent there,
and yeah, like I think it's just got to be I'm,
you know, one of those people that I just don't
want to do the wrong thing, you know, Like, but.
Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
I guess that's all part of it, and I've got to.
Speaker 5 (01:08:50):
Keep reminding myself it's like everything's uncertain, nothing's nothing at
all is certain. I think that's something that was so
cool about the Games is you know, I really got
to realize that we do it. Sport is amazing because
you just don't know who's going to win, you know,
and you could you could be the best person, you
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could have the best training program, you could hand in
your training diary and go, yeah, I should win, you know,
I do that really fast time in training and.
Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
But really like we love it because we don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
And so I think it's like leaning into that and going, well,
whatever decision you make, you're not really going to know,
it's all all uncertain, and it's okay if it's the
wrong one. So that's kind of what we're all mate
at the moment.
Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
It must be a weird double edged sword where you
you finish a games and you want to relax and
be off tools and you're out of public. But I
imagine every second person is like, are you gonna going
just like me, just have like coffee away for four months?
I just want nice coffees for once. Is that a
weird dynamic where everybody almost seems like they've got a
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vested interest in what your decision is going to be.
Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Yeah, I guess that's like I feel like that's just
the human way. It's like we just want to know,
we need certain teas know what you're doing. Yeah, I guess, yeah,
And it is interesting, but I think it's like, oh,
it's just it's just human nature. And I guess there's
some parts and everyone's really respectful that you know, fairly
(01:10:21):
private about. But then there's also like an element where
I can just be like, look, I'm just figuring it
out and I don't know that I'll make the right decision,
but man, I'm I guess there's heaps of I guess
it's like you know, rocking up and seeing a challenge
and being like, man, I'm excited for this next challenge.
Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Well you didn't. You didn't help the guesses.
Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
But I think afterwards you said, yeah, I'm the strongest
and the fastest I've ever been in my life right now,
So why would I like? That was that was some
honest words to your arrivals as well. I heard that
that was I think that was in the changing interview
like the day after, and it was kind of like, yeah,
you just seem so like, yeah, there was No, I
don't know what the word is man, but there was
just you were just so comfortable with where you were
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at right then.
Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
Yeah, I guess I just had just I don't have
to prove anything anymore. And that's mainly to myself. It's like,
I guess that's what's amazing, is that, like you can't
design what you know, like what every woman or every
man's going to be like as a sportsperson, you know,
are you going to be your best at thirty five,
(01:11:26):
thirty six, thirty seven? And I guess so I think
it's just trying to weigh it all up and yeah,
like figure out and what do I want?
Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Is this in reassess?
Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
I think it's such a great opportunity for me to
be like, am I doing really what I said I
was going to do?
Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Does this fit with.
Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
You know, giving back to the world or being the
best person I can be?
Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
You probably you must already be thinking about when you
do start about what comes next, because the Lisa Carrington
brand is just like unbelievably strong that there's so many
opportunities to do whatever you want with it afterwards, Like
do you think about that now?
Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
Yeah, it's really tricky because I find it hard to
go Okay, that's the brand, but Lisa's the person as well.
And I guess it's I don't know what I can do,
and I also have that element that I need to
prove that not prove, but you know, like if I'm
going to do.
Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
Something, I need to do it well.
Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
And I you know, someone's not just going to give
me a job just because of my name. I need
to be able to have a job or be given
a job because I can do it well. And so
I guess it's there's the brand. And I'm going to
remind myself is that the brand is based on me
being me, so it's not about the perfect person. And
(01:13:05):
I guess what's called is the and as just Lisa
and Lisa changing and growing authentically.
Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
Yeah, yeah, because it seems consistent, but it has changed
over the years as well.
Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Yeah, and i'd hope so like.
Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Yes, yeah, I just I guess I'm lucky that I
can continue to grow and change because I'd hate to
be like ADM B grumpy.
Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
There was something you say.
Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
There's something I heard you say about like I think
it was using training as an example, but like if
you're not embarrassed by your past performances. You're not working
hard enough or not training hard enough.
Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
There's a quote I stole from one of our coaches.
Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
It's a great quote because it got me thinking not
of my training, but like of my past behaviors or
the person that I was in the past, and like
thinking back to some of that stuff and going, oh man,
that is that is cringe. But it's like, well, no,
you're not that thing anymore. You're a different version of
who that was. It's really quite prosive.
Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
Yeah, exactly, And it's just accepting that right now we
can still be better.
Speaker 8 (01:14:09):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
I want to bring in Alicia's voice now because I
sort of will Shay asked her about what makes you
so special, and she sort of spoke about the attention
to detail, which is really good. The way that she
still improves year on year. It comes down to that
attention to detail. And there still has been times where
all of us, whether it's in the K four or something,
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will get called out for going too much into the detail.
Because Lisa will hold boats to such a high level
of excellence that sometimes we get too granular and the
coaches will pull us back out to what are the
big rocks, like, what is actually going to make a difference.
Because we're striving so hard, sometimes the level of detail
will catch us out a little bit. But it's incredible
to watch. I mean the way that it's a twenty
(01:14:56):
four to seven job. She'll be stretching and activating at
home in the mornings, she'll journal every morning before training
to make sure her mind is good, and then have
her routine of her morning coffee. And then every part
of your day is to try and get the best
out of yourself. And that's not to say she doesn't
have hard days, but there's like processes that are just
day in day out, day in day out, finding the
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opportunity to get better. And Gordy told us and I
often think of it in relation to Lisa. It's not
doing an extraordinary thing, it's doing an ordinary thing an
extraordinary amount of times. And that's kind of what she does.
She's obviously talented, but you can see she's got to
where she is by doing that an extraordinary amount of times,
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like day in day out for the last fifteen years.
It's phenomenal. I love that so much. Jay that and
again from the previous episode. It's that you didn't miss training.
You don't miss trainings. It's day in, day out, just
continuously doing the basics.
Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
Yeah, it sounds like I'm yeah obsessed.
Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Yeah, I think that's it though. It's just ordinary like.
Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
And I think having done what I've done for as
long as I have, I guess is an amount of
skill that you acquire that you have to kind of
start going to figuring you understand the basics, the fundamentals,
to then get really granular. And it is all the
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small things that help. And like Alicia said, we do
at times, especially in the team boat, we're trying to
work something out and it's okay, let's get some perspective, guys.
Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
And so I think.
Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
It's just, yeah, it's really cool to hear Alicia say that,
And yeah, I guess it is. I don't know, it
seems really boring, but I think that's kind of being routined.
Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
It's just what it takes.
Speaker 6 (01:16:59):
Did you take that same meticulous nature to writing the book?
Was it more a free flowing created Yeah, yeah, so
the book. Yeah, it's I guess what was really cool.
Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Is I guess it was free flowing and I sat
down with our public my publisher who were Publishers, their
publishing house in Wellington, and I think what was so
cool is that that would slightly so we want to
share your story. We want to find a way to
do that. And I was like, oh, I don't really
want to write a biography or autobiography whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
It is just a podcasts. We're in the middle one
right now.
Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
Yeah, and I was like, actually, I just want to
write a what about a kid's book? It's always something
that I've wanted to do, is write a kid's book
because I think maybe just having parents as teachers, the
impact or what it means to be a teacher, to
be someone a guardian of some sort. And I was like,
(01:18:04):
you know what, this is going to be a really
cool way to share one of my stories, one of
my lessons. And so yeah, we just sat down and
kind of nutted out what it could be and I guess, yeah,
like having amazing people to kind of guide me and
help me on that journey, Like it was just really
I feel really lucky to be able to have that
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because you know, I've spent a lot of time peddling,
but not so much writing obviously journaling at kids books.
Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
So yeah, it was a really cool process.
Speaker 6 (01:18:35):
So you call it a kid's book, it's a book,
right because the lessons are applicable. Yeah, I know it's
targeted nine to fourteen, but the lessons are applicable for
parents or for anybody.
Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
Yeah, that's right. And I guess like rereading it, Oh
my man, that's rightly, So that's a good lesson. So yeah,
I mean, I guess you can as a as a parent, auntie,
uncle or whoever, you know, you can read it to
your kids and just really and also just you take
it in and I think, to what's amazing. What I
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really like about it is that just the layers of
lessens in there, like these some moments there. It's like
about kind of being present in the moments and ways
to do that and then how to overcome a little challenge,
ways to think and also just some lightheartedness with my
dog appearing in there.
Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Buies in there too, eight year old Bucky.
Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
I haven't seen it, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he
I think he when they when we got the illustrator,
he is like.
Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Where am I? Colin's in there?
Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Your parents, even Gordy's in there. And then so they
like put a man like little Dot. It's really good.
Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
It's also adapted into Malory as well.
Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
That's right, and it's so cool, I think. And it's
just not translated directly, you know. The way it's written
is for city on Maldi. So that for me was
really really important, particularly with my heritage and also just
making sure that every kid in New Zealand can read
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this book.
Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
And maybe the first of the first of yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah it take a break
and then yeah, we'll sit back down again.
Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Last one for me before we let you go, I
just want to talk a little bit about journaling. I
feel like it's something I've always wanted to do but
I've never had For whatever reason, I've never done it.
But like what does the process look like? What do
you write? And how does it help you?
Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
I reckon?
Speaker 5 (01:20:43):
So journaling for me has it was something I started
almost like eight years ago, and I started it because
I just needed a little bit of reminder. I was
away overseas in Portugal training with and I was okay,
like it helped me kind of make sure and almost
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like plan my day. So it would be like Elesa,
like what's what's your most important list, which would be
like people having a good conversation with a few people.
It would have been making a plan, what's my challenge
for the day, and these were like, really, and what's
in what's what can I find that's joyful for the day,
or what am I going to enjoy? So like it
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started off just being really basic, integrating the things that
make me me while I was away because I was
finding it tricky to be myself. I was in a
hotel training and so from there it became every morning
and because I like coffee, it was became it was
with coffee and writing down those things. And so I
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think over then evolved started being a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Therapy. I guess cathartic. I'd just start talking about how
I feel.
Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
But then I really I think I cracked it this year,
Like I really started writing things that were really meaningful
and were able to help me in the day. So
once I kind of, you know, with all that pressure
that I felt and kind of got to a point
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this year, I started going, Okay, Lisa, now what's a
good story you're going to write about the day?
Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
Head or it really started to help me, help me go.
Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
And sift through the thoughts that I had because there
was so much pressure. It's like, Okay, Lisa, what's the
what's running in behind all your thoughts you're negative, like
this isn't good enough for I'm not good enough? What's
actually running behind those? So it really allowed me, in
those tough moments to kind of comb through and sive
out what was real and what was just the story
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that I was telling myself to make try to find
an excuse or make me feel bad. So and then
it's like, oh, geez, I'm actually just writing bad stuff now, Lisa,
Like what's a good story?
Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
What good story are you going to tell yourself? And so, like,
I don't know that there's any.
Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
Method or kind of perfect way to journal, but I
find it's so helpful to just set an intention for
the day to be just and plan Like planning is
so important. If I don't plan, I just don't get
anything done. I don't Yeah, and just just making sure
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I do the most important things to keep me grounded.
Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
I'd love to see the journal entry the day after
you won that third Old Metal.
Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
I could find it for.
Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
I think it's been really cool, actually, like reflecting on
compared to what I wrote in Tokyo. I was like,
that was dumb in Tokyo, Like this is this is
cool stuff for me.
Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
I don't know if anyone.
Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Else you're a journaling app that you use, I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
I just I started writing on like Google Drive and
documents and so I can just get to it anywhere.
See this is fourth of July, waking up feeling good.
I do for get moments of frustration, but I guess
that's just making sure I stay patient, calm and breathe.
Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
I'm like, I reckon, there's a market for you to
turn this into a book like the Diary of Lisa.
Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Carrington Dami's character.
Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
We'll get there.
Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
We intered in today's journal entry, like trying to find
the best way to talk to these two punds. Hopefully
what has Bucky told them?
Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
Yeah, And I just kind of like added in little
moments like I sent this message to Gordy, d G
and Bucky the morning of our K four and I said,
today is K four day, big boat day.
Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
That's wicked.
Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
I feel like I'm clear and know what my priorities
are today, which is to connect with with the girls
and then everything will flow from there. I have developed
a little process to help me, which was when I
start thoughts of worry fear, I rubbed my ponem to
help remind me of my identity. My fucker pappa, So
my poummer is my anchor?
Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
How cool?
Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
That's cool? Yeah, yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
And then that evening, What a gift today was? Tomorrow
I get to go again. What a gift we get
to play again.
Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Thank you so much for that little insight.
Speaker 6 (01:25:40):
I was going to ask, like if you would be
terrified if someone found that found your thoughts, like if
they were to read them, but for you to share
is like that's so cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Yeah, to have a little window into like your the mindset. Yeah,
it's the mindset of a champion. It's how you frame
your world to set you up for.
Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
Success, right yeah, And that's it, Like, I mean, it's not.
It was just so special to be able to and
that's what that's what it took for the day.
Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:26:12):
It was special to be able to just be like that,
and so man, it was it was cool.
Speaker 7 (01:26:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Do you have moments of real gratitude when you sit
and think.
Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Back to that, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like it seems.
Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Like a stupid question to ask for.
Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
Yeah, but I mean like there's a thought that maybe
the eighth one isn't as special as the first one,
but they're all individual.
Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
Oh man, no, Like I think that's the thing. When
you know, you set up the challenge, maybe it was
three years ago, like Okay, we're going to go again,
and it's got to be different, and so I guess
you know, you've got to set it up in a
way you don't just rock up. And it happened. So man,
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we went for it, but it starts the planning, the
what it took. You know, there were moments where like,
I don't know if we can do it many times,
but we still keep trying.
Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
Did you get scared reading your book out live to Papa?
Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
They were like practice it.
Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
I wanted to know about that.
Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
Yeah, yeah, it was cool, but it was I mean
it was it was cool actually like reading it. And
what was amazing is that my mum she didn't tell me,
but so she spoke at the launch of the book
in Wellington and she brought like some stories that I
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had written as a kid. So I don't know whether
it's because mum and dad are teachers, so they use
that that material for like their their students or they
just kept it because they're my parents. But they had
a few stories and it was so cool what I'd written.
It was like so similar to the book, and it
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was like things about you know, even if I went,
I've got to be looking at you know, I don't
rub it in the person's or you know, like it's
all about making sure everyone's okay. I love the ocean,
and even as a five year old, it was all
about the ocean. So yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
It was really.
Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Special on an aleast. We should make this a yearly
catch up. Are you gonna come and say hi to
us at the hell Bigs this year? Next year I
come to her.
Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
Only.
Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Yeah, we'll sort you out.
Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much for giving
us your time and sharing so much of your life
and the build up to Paris, and I mean, the
whole thing is just so good. Cutting edge high performance
athletes my favorite.
Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
But say, I don't even know what.
Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
I feel really privileged one that you would consider us
to come back again. But also, and I'm trying to
I'm trying to think of how to say this in
a really a polite way, but it's a it's a
different version of you that is here, and I get
it because you've met us before and maybe the first time,
you're probably a little bit guarded and who are these
two weird guys asking me like a whole bunch of questions.
But there's definitely, I feel like an energy shift in
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you and it's really amazing to see and to you
radiate it. And the comfort of being able to share
your your journal entries that means a lot too, because
I'd be terrified if some of my thoughts went out there.
And maybe that's a me thing that I've got to
work out. But you seem like you're in a really
great place.
Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
Yeah, Like I mean I picked the good ones. Yeah, No,
Like I think definitely. I guess you don't you write
so that you can write anything you want, and I
think it's without and that's I think that's one thing
about journaling. You've just got to write it like no
one is ever going to read it.
Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
And so I think.
Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
Sometimes I wouldn't write what I needed to write to
get it off my chest, get it out of my head,
because I I was like, well, but what if someone
packs us up? So, yeah, there's some stuff in there.
That's not great, but also like there's some awesome lessons
and there for me, it's like that's rightly, so you
can be like that.
Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
Yeah, I keep doing what you're doing. It's awesome, so
great to see.
Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
Yeah, thank you, it's cool to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Stoked.
Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Thanks, see you next time, Yeah, next year.
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