Kerre Woodham: Chris Hipkins has got to go

The former Prime Minister, the former Health Minister, the leader of the Labour Party has to go. His position is simply untenable. Chris Hipkins has consistently maintained he never received advice telling him there was a risk involved in requiring 12 to 17-year-olds to have a second Covid vaccination. As the Herald headline says this morning, a Cabinet paper shows otherwise.  

Derek Cheng's story shows that the Covid Vaccine Technical Advisory Group told the Health Ministry in November that younger age groups are more at risk than older age groups of myocarditis after a second dose. They said one dose was still worth it based on early data, catching Covid-19 presented an even greater risk of myocarditis. Consideration should be given to permitting younger people 18 and under who have had one dose to be permitted to work or undertake other activities covered by the education mandate. So that was from the Covid Vaccine Technical Advisory Group, they gave that advice to Sir Ashley Bloomfield. That information was passed on. Chris Hipkins says don't know, don't recall, didn't see it. Health Minister Simeon Brown says those protestations do not stand up under scrutiny. 

“The paper trail proves that he did know and the question is what did he do when he did know? And if the answer to that is nothing, well then the reality is there were 12 to 17-year-olds who there was known risk around a second dose, and nothing was done.” 

And that's what I want to know. Like when National Party Minister Simon Watts told Ryan Bridge today that as a parent of a teenager, he was upset he didn't have all the information. And that's it, as parents you want to know about the potential risks of any vaccine. 

“You sort of get paid to read your Cabinet papers, don't you? I can't remember, that doesn't cut it. If he had the advice, he didn't read it or he didn't review it, you've got to own it. He was in charge, he's accountable.” 

Absolutely. And that's why he has to go. Hipkins says look, we had to make tough decisions under extraordinary pressure and a rapidly changing environment. Of course he did. But New Zealanders surely expect their Minister of Health during a public health crisis to stay abreast of changing information, to stay abreast of data and advice around vaccines, especially when people were concerned about a nationwide vaccination programme, about the fact that we couldn't do anything, go anywhere until we were all vaccinated up the ying yang. When people had concerns about how quickly the vaccines were being developed and you know, I read what I read around the research around that and was happy enough to take the risk. Other people, all people wanted to know was the information, and I do not think it is unreasonable to expect the Minister of Health to be on top of all that.  

As for his claim that the Government made numerous efforts to communicate safety issues around myocarditis and pericarditis, that is absolute BS. Can you recall on any occasion when the pulpit of truth illuminated any concerns whatsoever around the vaccines? I mean, I might have missed it. I was in my own world of pain and misery and going quietly insane myself, but I may have missed it. But I would really love to hear from parents of teenagers, did at any time did you hear any concerns? Anybody who did dare raise questions was cast out as a Covid denier, they were everyone was lumped into one, ‘oh watch this YouTube video, that'll open your eyes’. You were all cast into one box. If you were a parent of a teenager, you might have been listening more closely because it was more relevant to you. Chris Hipkins claims when he was Minister of Health he did not see information around potential health risks around vaccinating teenagers. So he's either incompetent or he's a liar. Either way, he cannot stay on. 

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
The former Prime Minister, the former Health minister, the leader
of the Labor Party has to go. His position is
simply untenable. Chris Hipkins has consistently maintained he never received
advice telling him there was a risk involved in requiring
twelve to seventeen year olds to have a second COVID vaccination,

(00:32):
As the Herald headline says this morning, a cabinet paper
shows otherwise. Derrek Cheng's story shows that the COVID Vaccine
Technical Advisory Group told the Health Ministry in November that
younger age groups are more at risk than older age
groups of myocarditis after a second dose. They said one
dose was still worth it based on early data catching

(00:56):
COVID nineteen presented an even greater risk of myocarditis. Consideration
should be given to permitting younger people eighteen and under
who I've had one dose to be permitted to work
or undertake other activities covered by the education mandate. So
that was from the COVID Vaccine Technical Advisory Group. They

(01:16):
gave that advice to Sir Eshley Bloomfield. That information was
passed on. Chris Hippins says, don't know, don't recall, didn't
see it. Health Minister Simeon Brown says, those protestations do
not stand up underscrutiny.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
The paper trail proves that he did know, and the
question is what did he do when he did know?
And and the answers so that is nothing. Well, then
the reality is there were twelve to seventeen year olds
who were there was known risk around a second dose
and nothing was done.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
And that's what I want to know. Like when National
Party Minister Simon Watts told Ryan Bridge today that he
was upset as a parent of a teenager, he was
upset he didn't have all the information and that's it.
As parents, you want to know about the potential risks
of any vaccine.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
You sort of get paid to read your cabinet papers,
don't you. I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
That doesn't cut it.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
If he had the advice, he didn't read it or
didn't review it, you got to own it. He was
in charge, He's.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Accountable absolutely, and that's why he has to go. Hopkins says, Look,
we had to make tough decisions under extraordinary pressure and
a rapidly changing environment. Of course he did. But New
Zealanders surely expect their Minister of Health during a public
health crisis to stay abreast of changing information, to stay

(02:38):
abreast of data and advice around vaccines, especially when people
were concerned about a nationwide vaccination program, about the fact
that we couldn't do anything, go anywhere until we were
all vaccinated up the yin Yang, when people had concerns
about how quickly the vaccines were being developed, and you know,

(03:00):
I read what I read around the research around that
and was happy enough to take the risk. All people
wanted to know was the information. And I do not
think it is unreasonable to expect the Minister of Health
to be on top of all that. As for his
claim that the government made numerous efforts to communicate safety

(03:22):
issues around myocarditis and pericarditis, that is absolute. BS. Can
you recall on any occasion when the pulpit of truth
illuminated any concerns whatsoever around the vaccines. I mean, I

(03:45):
might have missed it. I was in my own world
of pain and misery and going quietly insane myself, but
I may have missed it. But I would really love
to hear from parents of teenagers at any time, did
you hear any concerns? Anybody who did dear raised questions

(04:07):
was cast out as a COVID denier. Though everyone was
lumped into one Oh watch this YouTube video that'll open
your eyes. That was put You were all cast into
one box. I mean, if you were a pairent of
a teenager, you might have been listening more closely because
it was more relevant to you. Chris Hipkins claims when

(04:28):
he was Minister of Health he did not see information
around potential health risks around vaccinating teenagers. So he's either
incompetent or he's a liar. Either way, he cannot stay
on for.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
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