Kerre Woodham: MMP - does it need tweaking?

Politicians rely on voters having short memories. They all do it.  

Politicians and governments get swept out of power, they fester away on the opposition benches, and then a year before the next election, they make sweeping statements and promises about what they'll do if voters have the good sense to put them in. 

Chris Hipkins is no different from every other party.  A lot of people might nod along with his comments and look at the price of butter or the whopping amount on their power bill and think ‘well this lot haven't fixed things the way they said they would, maybe I should vote Labour in 2026.’ 

In the Herald's Front Page podcast, the Labour leader said he wants us to have a look at how MP works, so smaller parties don't call the shots.  

There should be some concessions and some trade-offs with the other parties to form a government, he says. That doesn't mean you should be doing things you specifically told the electorate before the election that you weren't going to do, Chris Hipkins said.   

The Treaty Principles Bill, he says, is a good example. The Regulatory Standards Bill. Some of these things no one knew they were voting for at the last election. And now they're being inflicted on them. I don't think that's the spirit of MMP or democracy.  

And amazingly, a bolt of lightning didn't strike him. Because can I remind the Labour leader, that Labour lost the last election - and absolutely tanked it. 

After their landslide win in 2020, ministers felt they could implement un-signaled projects and projects that arose because of agitation within their caucus - from Three Waters to a social insurance scheme - and didn't bother taking the public along with them.  

That was one of the main reasons that Labour tanked it. After their historic win, it was a historic defeat. ‘Bugger it’, they thought to themselves. ‘We've got a mandate, we'll do what we like’, which is not so very different from allowing minor parties to implement un-signaled projects, is it?  

A lot of people who voted Labour last time did so because in 2020 National was a complete disaster as a party. A lot of people were very grateful to Labour for getting them through Covid. There were still some people who believed the rhetoric, despite clear evidence that they had no idea how to implement a lot of the more progressive and visionary policies. 

 There was no evidence they could actually implement them, but some people still believed it. But then they came and there were policies that nobody knew existed, even those who had done their homework.  

Where did this come from? Well, it came from an antsy Māori block within Labours caucus who said,’ Well, if you don't do this, we'll go to Te Pati Māori!’ and Labour caved.  

So, I am all for some reform around our electoral system. I think the party that wins the most votes on the night should be obliged to enter into negotiations with the minor parties. 

And, perhaps more pertinently, the minor parties (looking at you Winston) should be obliged to begin negotiations with the party that wins the most votes on the night.  

Forget about your petty power politics and your hurt feelings and your personal grievances. That's not what you should be there for. You should be there for the good of the people.  

So, the party that wins the most votes on the night should have the minor parties knocking on their door, by law. 

And if they cannot reach any kind of consensus, if they cannot agree on the principles that could help them form a government then by all means, shuffle the deck. Let’s see what kind of government you can come up with.  

I would love to hear before the election from party leaders on who they will work with, which parties they will rule out, and which policies are non-negotiable. And again stressing, I would love to see petty power politics taken out of the equation too.   

New Zealand voters have said have reaffirmed MMP as the system by which they want to be governed. Incomprehensibly to me, but there we go, we live in a democracy. They've said yes, MMP is the way to go, that's the form of proportional representation we will have. 

 But that doesn't mean that we can't tinker with it, make it better, or reform it. We don't agree on much Chris Hipkins and I, but on that, I do agree. Let's have a look at MMP and see how we can improve it. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Kerry Wood of Morning's podcast from
News Talks. He'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Politicians rely on voters having short memories. They all do it.
They also rely on them not doing any kind of
research or taking an interest in politics, looking beyond the
policies and seeing how they'll be implemented. But that's another story.
Politicians and governments get swept out of power, they fester

(00:33):
away on the opposition ventures. Then a year before the
next election they make sweeping statements and promises about what
they'll do if voters have the good sense to put
them in instead of re electing the other guys. Chris
Sipkins is no different from every other party leader. A
lot of people might nod along with his comments and

(00:54):
think quite right, and look at the price of butter
and the whopping amount on their power bill and think, well,
slot haven't fixed things the way they said they would.
Maybe I should vote lay. In twenty twenty six and
The Herald's Front Page podcast, the Labor leader said he
wants us to have a look at how MMP works

(01:15):
so smaller parties don't call the shots. There should be
some concessions and some trade offs to the other parties
to form a government. He says, that doesn't mean you
should be doing things you specifically told the electorate before
the election that you weren't going to do. Chris Hipkins
said in the podcast. The Treaty Principal's Bill, he says,

(01:38):
is a good example, the Regulatory Standards Bill. Some of
these things no one knew they were voting for it
the last election, and now they're being inflicted on them.
I don't think that's the spirit of MMP or democracy,
he said, And amazingly a bolt of lightning didn't strike him,
because can I remind the Labor leader that Labour lost

(02:01):
the last election and absolutely tanked it inverse voting proportion
to their landslide win. And in part it was because
of their landslide win that ministers felt they could implement
unsignaled projects and projects that arose because of agitation within

(02:24):
their caucus from three waters to a social insurance scheme
and didn't bother taking the public along with them. That
was one of the main reasons that Labor tanked it
after their historic win. It was a historic defeat. They
came in and introduced policies that very few people knew about,

(02:52):
like the three waters, like the Social Insurance scheme. Bugger it.
They thought to themselves, we've got a mandate and we'll
do what we like, which is not so very different
from allowing minor parties to implement unsignaled projects, is it.
A lot of people who voted Labor last time around
did so because in twenty twenty National was a complete

(03:17):
disaster as a party. A lot of people were very
grateful to Labor for getting them through COVID. There were
still some people who believed the rhetoric despite clear evidence
that they had no idea how to implement a lot
of the more progressive and visionary policies. There was no

(03:41):
evidence they could actually implement them, but some people still believed.
But then in they came and there were policies that
nobody knew existed, even those who had done their homework.
Where did this come from? Well, it came from an
Antsi Maori block within Labour's caucus who said, right, well,

(04:03):
if you don't do this, we'll go to Patu Maori
and behaved. So I am all for some reform around
our electoral system. I think the party that wins the
most votes on the night should be obliged to enter
into negotiations with the minor parties, and perhaps more pertinently,

(04:24):
the minor parties looking at you, Winston, should be obliged
to begin negotiations with the party that wins the most
votes on the night. Forget about your petty power politics
and your hurt feelings and your personal grievances. That's not
what you should be there for. It should be for
the good of the people. So the party that wins

(04:47):
the most votes on the night should have the minor
parties knocking on their door by law, and if they
cannot reach any kind of consensus, if they cannot agree
on the principles that could help them f government, by
all means, shuffle the decks see what kind of government

(05:09):
you can come up with. I would love to hear
before the election from party leaders on who they will
work with, which parties they will rule out, which policies
are non negotiable, and again stressing I would love to
see the petty power politics taken out of the equation too. Winston.

(05:30):
Let's not forget to put a politically and competent party
into government in twenty seventeen. So yes, I mean New
Zealand voters have said, have reaffirmed MMP as the system
by which they want to be governed incomprehensibly to me,
but there we go. We live in a democracy. So

(05:52):
they've said, yes, all right, MMP is the way to go.
That's the form of proportional representation we will have. But
that doesn't mean that we can't tinker with it it,
make it better, reform it. We don't agree on much
cross Hepkins and I, but on that I do agree.

(06:14):
Let's have a look at MMP and let's see how
we can improve it.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
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