Full Show Podcast: 01 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Very good afternoon to welcome in to the show seven
past one. Really really good to have your company this afternoon.
Hope you're doing well.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Get a met geta Tyler good everyone. Oh weight one
hundred eighteen eighty is the number nine two nine two
if you want to text us, Yes, looking forward to
the show today. Just before yeah, Tyler, just for the listeners.
Just before this time yesterday, we were talking about the
study that came out of Australia on vaping. Yes, because
we looked at the study we did and we thought, well,

(00:57):
you know, this is an Australian study. This is interesting.
And I asked the question, Tyler, is this this gonna
give get you to give up vaping?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
And we both pointed time the study did seem a
little bit suss that some of it was anecdotal. There
were questions, there were differently questions, a lot of emphasis
on mouse trials, which is always a red flag when
you're listening to scientific studies. But you know, we had
a chat about vaping and thankfully you didn't give up

(01:29):
vaping on the back of the study because fantastic interview
by Heather ce Ellen on the show after us.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Absolutely so, she spoke to renowned health profession professor Rob
beganhol and here's what he said to Heather.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I think this is an appalling study. It is misleading.
It doesn't compare vapors with smokers. It detects very low
levels of potentially dangerous substances. But of course what is
important is how concentrated, how much of these substances are
in the vapes. Vapes, as we know it, are much

(02:04):
much less harmful than cigarettes. They help people stop. We
need to be encouraging them.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
The point that has been made by these research is
that there is that there's been no comparison studies between
vaping and segi smoking.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
That is incorrect. There are a lot of comparisons of
the toxic ingredients in cigarette smoke and in vape aerosols,
and without question, the smoke is much much more dangerous
from cigarettes than from aerosols.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
No question, are we sort of primed to want to
find out that vaping is worse than it actually is.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
There's a beat up against vapes and that is misleading
and I would say irresponsible and potentially harmful to an
adult who work up this morning thinking well, maybe this
is the day I'm going to go to vapes. They
see this study headlined, they say, why would I go
to vapes if some Australian is telling me that it's

(03:00):
causing cancer? It's dangerous?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
So that was Professor Robert began or renowned health professional
and expert in New Zic. But he's not the only one.
I'm just going to go through a bit of a list.
So Professor Peter Hadjack in Mary University of London says
nicotine is not castinogenic after this study. Professor Leon Shahab
of the University College of London says this narrative review
is problematic for several reasons. It makes extraordinary claims that

(03:25):
are not born out by the data. Doctor Baptiste Lron
seys it could be misleading I presented to the public.
Doctor Gavin Stewart's Out of America says this work does
not meet methodology. Methodological expectations for evidence synthesis and consequently
its conclusion should be treated with suspicion.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah. I mean, look so this, as I said before,
the study felt like bollocks. A little bit didn't and
that's why we threw it out with a bunch of caveats.
Caveats that is that caveats. Yeah ah, but this is
why you have to be careful trusting these people. You know,
it looks like the Australian study and its head just

(04:05):
had an agenda. They're publicity hungry, wounded. Some of these
people that are doing studies at Universe, they're out for results.
They throw this study out there looking for headlines because
let's be honest, they're hungry for funding. And so the
narrative is that vaping is bad. So if you're trying
to try and get some funding, you know, I don't

(04:27):
know how they were funded, but it certainly happened in
other areas, right, Absolutely, there's more money about. If you're
going to try and run a study that finds vaping
is bad, is really really bad, follow the money and
we tend to believe them because we've been trained to
believe that the people that do studies are smarter and
more morally virtuous than us, that they are scientists and
therefore looking for the truth. And this is just another

(04:49):
example of it. An incompetent study done by a bunch
of punishers with an engender with an agenda, just muddling,
muddling the waters, mudding and muddling the bloody waters. Thanks
for that shoddy science, often to the mix and look,
we're all too busy to do our own studies. We
don't have the money, so we depend on these people
and they throw out a study that's got no rigor.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, there's no riggor lid headlines up and down the
country and in Australia, so good. That's other medical and
professors in that round push back on there, and you've
got a couple of wounders like you and I Tyler
doing an hour of talk back on it. And people
were right that I said, it wasn't going to change
anything for me. I'm going to keep vaping because it's
better than smoking cigarettes. People were angry at me, saying,
you muppet, what are you doing. You're going to be

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a drain on the health system.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
And people were angry at me because I said, the
guy running this study seems a bit dodgy and a
bit of a wounded anyway, I'm glad you didn't give
up bakering on the back of that Tyler.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Me too, I brought another one.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, yes, I'm glad you didn't.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
We've going to double down.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I mean you should for other reasons. Hr for one,
unhappy with you vaping in the studio. But yeah, I
didn't have to get called upstairs, but not from that study.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, geez, I'm gonna tropile a lot lately.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, but it's funny to so many people saying it
looks like a quite. If it looks like a dark
and quacks like a dark and walks like a dark,
then it's probably a duck. Yes, that's actually probably true
of that study. That study was quack like a quack.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Nicely said. But good to put that one to bed.
Right on to the rest of the show very quickly
after three thirty. Gareth Abdnor, our employment law expert, is
back in studio taking your calls and questions. This is
a free, free advice from Gareth, so chance to get
any curly issues you're facing in your workplace. So it
always pays to get an early oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number. But if you want

(06:31):
to send through a text, we'll line you up. Nine
two ninety two is that number. That's after three thirty,
after three o'clock. Fascinating story fact. Fragments of a wrist
watch belonging to a young New Zealand pilot killed in
World War Two have been discovered in Germany more than
eighty years after his death, providing a remarkable personal link
to the past. The damage watch, engraved with a message
from the pilot's parents, dated back to nineteen forty one,

(06:52):
was found by a local resident and eventually traced back
to the airmen from Norsewood, who died at just nineteen
years of age during the war.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Wow. A couple of points on that. Firstly, you know,
with everyone freaking out right now about the times they're
in and feeling like we've particularly set upon, you know,
at least your kids aren't off at war. I mean,
petrol might be up yep, but you don't have nineteen
year olds going off and losing their lives fighting in Europe,
do you exactly?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
No one's running a draft.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Secondly, wow, eighty years to get it back into the family.
I mean, has anyone else there experienced anything like this,
A long lost arloom returning after many, many years.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, interesting stuff. They've always come back with such incredible stories. Yes, yeah,
looking forward to your stories on that after three o'clock.
After two o'clock, I want to talk about All Birds once,
the darling in the fashion industry and one of the
darlings in New Zealand is well. It had evaluation at
one point of seven billion dollars, but sadly has agreed
to sell its assets for a fraction of their value,

(07:52):
about sixty eight million dollars. So the dream, sadly is
over for All Birds, which at one point was an
absolute success story.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Oh my goodness. I mean a seven billion dollar in
New Zealand, seven billion dollar valuation. I mean, to reach
those highs just from an idea that was you know,
rustled up in a flat in twenty fourteen by a
couple of mates. And look, there's no doubt despite the
fact that this has gone off the cliff that Tim Brown,
the founder would probably he's probably got a bit of
money in the bank. He'll do it right. This's probably

(08:21):
done all right on the on the right. But do
people just not care about sustainability, because that was the
big part of it, wasn't it. Do people just not
care about sustainability? Was it was just when it came
down to it, they were like, oh, it was fashionable
for a while, but then nah. And I think also
the problem maybe for all birds, And I'd love to
hear people what their thoughts are what went wrong with

(08:43):
all birds one hundred eighty ten eighty. But I feel
like they just became super uncool, super quick.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
They were cool and then just so quickly. I mean
my son was wearing a pair of my all Birds.
My other son said, you can't go out of those.
This is about three years ago. You can't be seen
out of those. And I said, what do you mean,
he goes all birds?

Speaker 7 (09:09):
No.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
So, but just just six months before that and was
like all birds, all birds, all birds.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, everyone was wearing them. Leonardo DiCaprio, Yeah, Obama. I
don't know how much weight you put on that.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
But was it because Leonardo DiCaprio and Obama were wearing
them that that was the problem. They suddenly became associated
with middle aged people. I know, yeah, but it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yep, looking forward to your thoughts on that after two
o'clock because right now we want to ever talk about
the Lord change nearing its final approval. It could soon
remove long standing Easter trading restrictions on alcohol sales and bars,
cafes and restaurants. They are going through the third reading
as we speak, and they're hoping to push it through tomorrow,
so that is before Good Friday this year. So it
means if customers were usually it was, if customers were

(09:54):
ordering a meal, that was the only way you could
get booze. But the proposed reform would remove that. However,
off license sales such as those in supermarkets and bottle
stores would remain banned on those days. So does this
make sense to you? This is changing along tradition in
New Zealand that if you went to a restaurant, you
went out with your family over Easter weekend and you
wanted a beer, then you needed to make sure you

(10:15):
ordered a substantial meal. That's what it is in the legislation.
I think there's fair questions what is a substantial meal.
But there is also the argument that these sort of
traditions and these sort of laws were put in place
for various reasons, and one of those reasons were the
Easter weekend was one of those opportunities where people had

(10:38):
the opportunity to get together as a family. Right, You've
got an elongated holiday, You've got an opportunity there where
many places were forced to shut down businesses as an
opportunity to at one time in the year. And there's
only a couple of times you can really do it
to get together, socialize and it's good for the community.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, because there's no doubt that the law was arbitraryan
pretty confusing and outdated, you've got to say. But and
you know, one side of it, the most obvious side
of it, as adults should be trusted to make their
own choices as often as they can, right, Yes, but
they are also a sort of a rare circuit breaker
in your life, these these holidays, these these really seriously

(11:20):
enforced holidays, and this is just another erosion of it.
It's these moments of collective reflection of family time and
it just sort of chips away at this this sort
of the sort of structure of our of our lives,
and I don't know that never comes back. Doesn't know
that that you know, eventually Easter just becomes like everything

(11:44):
else and everyone just rocks rocks right through it, and
there's there's there's none of this, there's none of that
that that gap, that break. Yeah, ever, it's just commerce.
Boom boom, go go go, go, go, go go. We're
all on on on on on on my mom business
all throughout the whole year.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
There's un'stended consequences, right, yeah, because of your all go go, go,
go go, And you're forcing or allow businesses to stay
open and that's their choice, but then arguably you're forcing
some workers to have to go to work as well.
Does that start to erode those nice things that we've
generally loved in the sound?

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Quiet? Yeah, quiet moments. Whatever you think about the religious
part of it, it's just quiet moments where everyone knows
that everyone is available to do something as a family.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, what do you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty Is this messing with a tradition that has worked
pretty well? Or if you're in the hospit industry, is
this a hallelu alujah moments? Nine two ninety two is
the text number as well?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
These academics are not academics, they're social engineers. Is this text?

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, some people yeah, yeah, good text that one. Keep
those texts coming through. Ninety two ninety two is that number?
And taking your thoughts on the Easter alcohol trading reform. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's nineteen past one.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
That'd be news talks, there'd be. It is twenty two
past one.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
You're vaping? You vaping?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Honestly?

Speaker 8 (13:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Could be made, could be? Did you want to wear?
Have we tried? It's okay? Apparently now it's not quite
as crazy as we thought it was after that study yesterday,
So you don't need to worry as much. All right,
just think about it, Just think about it.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
HR. Where's HR they used to be? Now?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I think I've got a regular appointment with them.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
So you've been Grandfather dinners Layer in the studio.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
All right.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
We are talking about Easter trading laws. So the reforms
are coming and it looks like they're going to be
pushed through before Thursday, a head of Good Friday this year.
So that means if you go and have a or
go into a restaurant. I's going to say have a meal.
You don't have to have a meal anymore. If you
want to order some booze. Is that a right move?
Or is that messing with traditions that have worked for
some time? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

(14:01):
that number.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
To call this? Texas says if businesses want to close
up East, so that's their choice. It should be the
people's choice if they want to go out and if
business want to open, the law needs to change, says David.
Thank you for text. The sticks however, says it's only
three days of the year shops closed. It's not that bad.
I mean it's only three days a year. You have
this quiet?

Speaker 2 (14:22):
This break a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
What do you think? Wayne?

Speaker 9 (14:26):
Yeah, goodday guys. How are you good?

Speaker 10 (14:28):
Mate?

Speaker 11 (14:29):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (14:30):
What people seem to be forgetting is if this law,
this change in legislation goes through, it only relates to
the sale and supply of alcohol at twenty twelve, and
it does not affect the trading rules around trading at
Easter and where they allow us to go through, we

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are setting a dangerous precedent where more alcoholic people will
be out and about driving because reality is all those
restaurants and such that may be allowed to sell alcohol
to these people without them by food, Well, those people
have to drink it on site because they only have

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on licenses. They do not have off licenses where they
can take the alcohol away.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
But isn't that wouldn't that just make it the same
as every other day of the year, Wayne.

Speaker 9 (15:23):
No, because you don't do a restaurant, you generally eat
food with your alcohol, and people know it's actually better
to be drinking alcohol while you were consuming food. But
if you can, would you know? Reality sitting in you know,
it's not good business for a restaurant to have say
two or three people sitting at a table just drinking booze.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
But that's but that's all the rest of the year.
I mean, you can just go into a bar all
the rest of the year and just drink beer and
not buy any food.

Speaker 9 (15:57):
But that's the rest of their Why why do they
need why do they need it on those three days?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I'd say, Look, I might be wrong yet, but I'm
pretty sure I'm right, Wayne. And we're going to speak
to some hospitality people, but food for many of them
as a loss leader. So the selling of alcohol is
a good way for them to make a profit. And
that's what that'd argue that if you're in a bar,
or you're in a restaurant and you want to have
a cocktail on Good Friday, then you should be able

(16:22):
to do. That's their argument. And it's not really for
the alcoholics, it's just for regular people.

Speaker 9 (16:27):
Yeah. But then what happens when those people then go
out of the restaurant, get in their car and have
an accident, Well then.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
They'll get arrested. They'll get arrested and they but.

Speaker 9 (16:39):
That could be avoided on those particular as if the
war did not come in.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
So just just as percentage, because there's just a couple
of a few days a year where it's a little
bit safer, and that's good as far as you're.

Speaker 9 (16:50):
Concerned, any day that we can stop alcohol getting out
onto the streets.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Would you support only ever being able to sell alcohol
with food way as a rule across the entire year.

Speaker 9 (17:06):
For on licenses, Yes, to some extent.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
What about how much food though, Wayne, Because that's that's
where it gets really complicated, is.

Speaker 9 (17:15):
What what Yes, it does. But like I say, we
have to you know, as adults, we have to learn
to drink and moderation. But we all know that consuming
food while we're drinking alcohol is actually better for you.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, thanks, Wayne, appreciate it. Yeah, well, it deffinitely is.
I mean, but I don't know. I just think that's
the sort of the horses has bolted on that one.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, because what do you do with the bottle stores?
You've got to get pie warmers and they forced to
eat a pie. I suppose a lot of security guards
do that, right if you had a big night out
and you want to get into a bar, so mate,
you're looking a bit worse. So we're going to have
a pie a pie, and I'll reconsist. It happened to
you many times. Really, not me, not me personally. I've
just seen it.

Speaker 12 (17:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
When I rode at a bar, is straight to the
front and come through, mister heath and they opened the
velvet wrote that's that right, whatever state i'm it's.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
No pies needed, straight to the front.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I was at a bar on one of these days
where you had to sell food and there was just
tables full of pizzas not being at. Every time you
bought a drink, you had to buy a pizza. It's
these uneaven teas pizzas. There's people just racking it up
and pizza's piling up. Yeah, what do you say? One
hundred and eighty ten eighty?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Is Wayne right? If you have a couple of days
where booze isn't being served in restaurants and people are
a little bit safer on the road, is that worth it?
Or are you happy this reform is coming through? It
is twenty seven past one, back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well, there the headlines and the hard questions. It's the
mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (18:46):
The FDA with India, what's going on here? The leader
of the labor parties apparently fund you're written to the
Trade Minister. The government of course needs labors numbers given
New Zealand first doesn't want a bar of but either
the Trade Minister, Tom McLay is what square.

Speaker 14 (18:56):
Had a formal meeting where we went through it or
with the negotiators with Chrissie there, glasses there, Spokesman Connor. Look,
I've had Damon O'Connor whist me off at the Double
German's trow meeting down in Cameroon. Because Trader is meant
to be bipartisan. We've been going through it a lot,
but I don't see anything material in what they are
raising other than missing the point. It's one point four

(19:16):
billion people in every other country of the world would
like the trade deal.

Speaker 13 (19:19):
We've gone back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking
Breakfast with a Vida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
So restaurants have been able to sell booze on Easter
without needing to buy food first. Is that messing with
tradition or does that make sense the sexes.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
I'm in favor of closing for Easter and Christmas. I'm
not religious, but I think it's better for society. And frankly,
hospitality is not productive primary industry, and there's too much
mediocre hospital in this case.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Oh okay, shots fired, right, Well.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Maybe only mediocre hospo has to close down. You get
at you get a mediocre rating and you're not allowed
to open it.

Speaker 12 (19:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Get the good people from Michelin on that. Bring back
no shopping Sundays where everyone gets a day off. Steve,
I'm going to put together an argument for that. I'm
just formulating it. Okay, it's in the it's then the
bowels of my mind right now, that mull I've got
some reasoning and I've got a Swedish study to back

(20:17):
me up. Just after we spent the start of the
show slamming studies like their vape study that turns out
to be a load of ubbish. This is gonna be good, mate, Kia,
Matt and Tyler. About time Easter publics relaxed. Why should
you be forced to spend time with your family you
may not like them? What if your family is your
social friends in the pub? The East Band is not tradition.

(20:38):
It is someone else's irrational religious views forced on normal people.
No issues at all with people having a few beers
during this period, albit ironically a religious holiday. Dave okay,
doesn't doesn't like his family. Dave doesn't like his family
or people of faith. Ye okay, we'll put you in
that column.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Thank you very much for your teachs, Dave, keep those
ticks coming through. On nine two ninety two, headlines with
Wendy are coming up. Then after the headlines, we're going
to have a chat with a guy called Greg Wilson.
He's given us a buzz. He works in the hospitality
hospitality industry and he's got five of the businesses, so
we'll get his thoughts on that next it has banged
on half past one.

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A bill to loosen restrictions on the sale of alcohol
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Now back to Matson Tyler.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Burn the Bsa're on that terrible organization.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Thank you very much, Wendy. So we are talking about
Easter trading laws. They're going to be reformed and it
may even pass before Good Friday. That means if you
go to a restaurant you want some booze, you don't
need to even order food.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Why not appease everyone, says Eshley by having total and
utter closure on Good Friday and then fully open it
up to everyone to do whatever they want on Sunday.
I like you, thanking esh So you guy that a
guy or a girl that looks Ray looks for a compromise.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, fifty to fifty shut it all down on Friday,
Open everything up now. Greg Wilson has been listening. He
is part of Epic Hospitality. Greg, good to chat with
you. You get a guys so made you you run five
hospital businesses in Wellington. I take it to be pretty
happy with this reform coming through.

Speaker 16 (23:21):
Absolutely, this is a Harleleujah moment for hospitality. You know,
right across New Zealand. Who had these archaic laws that
no one even can remember why he even came up
with it in the first place, and just the enforcement
around it, it's just been ridiculous. Like you know, people
have to come in and eat food, and then has
to be a substantial amount of food on good Friday,

(23:44):
and then what's a substantial meal?

Speaker 10 (23:47):
And then that's how long is a piece of string?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
How did you how did you how did you sort
of quantify that as a substantial meal? Did you have
any anything in place in your mind?

Speaker 8 (23:58):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 16 (23:58):
Was basically a mains meal would qualify. I mean, look,
just to tell you how ridiculous it is, like one
year one of our pubs, we had a whole bunch
of cops come in about living half as nineteen o'clock
on the Friday, a bunch of guys who was five guys,
and they had.

Speaker 10 (24:15):
Four pizzas on the table. The police came over to
our durn the minute and said, look, sorry and look
that's not substantial enough. And they had a big debate
about it.

Speaker 16 (24:24):
And that's about forty minutes.

Speaker 10 (24:26):
Can you believe it?

Speaker 16 (24:28):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. So we had a big
debate about this, and so we had to give them
an extra a bottle of fries because that the police did.
I don't know, you're going to have to get a
little bit more.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
So that's crazy that that kind of kind they're kind
of gray area is problematic. What do you think about
the why the thing having rules like that? As you say,
how long is a piece of string? Rules? Just never?

Speaker 2 (24:51):
It's never we ever drafted that, gave substantial meal. That's enough,
we'll put that in the lord. Everyone will know what
that means.

Speaker 16 (24:58):
Not Yeah, that'll be fine, you know. And that's and
they left us with years and it's carried on for
years and years. It's just almost like they've forgotten to
deal with it, like someone's finally got around to sorting
the stupid law out.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Hey, from a hospitality perspective, because someone was ringing before
and saying, you know that it's the pub's just great
for them because food whatever, But food is often not
a big money spinner for a lot of hospitality. Would
that be true, Greg, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 16 (25:24):
So it's a lot harder to make money out of
foods than what is alcohol because you know, you're basically
of a petrol station pouring liquid. So it's a lot
easier to sell liquid in the glass and prepare mealk
because a whole lot more to go wrong. But yeah,
that's generally right, especially for pubs.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah yeah, And do you would you are you against
any day being restrictions on hospital and any day of
the year.

Speaker 10 (25:48):
Yeah, a percent.

Speaker 16 (25:49):
I mean, we're not asking for like a relaxation of
liquor laws. All we're asking for is to be treated
like every other day of the year because we're talking
about illegal you know, alcohol is a drug, it's a
legal products, a legal drug. We're just asking for it
to be treated like every other day of the year.
And for individuals in this country to be able to
have an individual to works of make up their own
and for those people that you know that don't support it, well,

(26:11):
they don't come out, sit at home, sit at home,
you know, don't come out.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
What's the rule on Christmas Day?

Speaker 17 (26:16):
Greg?

Speaker 3 (26:17):
I'm just trying to think now, I went out for
Christmas dinner last year, I believe in.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
The day before, isn't it there was certainly maybe there.

Speaker 16 (26:28):
Was pretty much the same rules, pretty much the same
rules of Christmas Day. So they'll be dealt with us
with this bill as well. Son't my sort of sweep
and change nicely tired yet? But you know what nights
you've heard your head turists, you know from over seas
and the here and the pub's nice and busy. On
the Easter Thursday, the next thing, you know, ding ding
stroke midnight hits. Well, that's that everyone out and all
the tourists are like, oh, what's going on? This is weird.

(26:49):
You know, we've come from the other side of the
planet and we're here for the weekend in Wellington. Oh sorry, no, no,
you Jesus died about two thousand years ago and we've
we close having down here and.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
As you know, well, the interesting thing is the interesting
thing is is Christianity. Isn't the teetotaling religion. I mean
Jesus famous the wedding with his mum. Yeah, the first
first miracle was making the wine. That's right, it was
his first one. Hey, what what's hospitality like down in Wellington?

(27:20):
Because I feel in the news there's a lot of
doom and gloom about Wellington, But I was down there
a couple of about a month ago, and I went
out and everything seemed to be rammed and was going off.

Speaker 16 (27:30):
It's been good, it's been good.

Speaker 11 (27:32):
We just said, Cuba Dooper.

Speaker 16 (27:33):
The town was just buzzing all weekends. We had a
record Cuper dooper. We've had a good trading, really good
trading February. The last six months, it feels like we've
come out of the come out of the hole. You know,
hospitality especially well just got hammered with COVID and then
the recession, and there was a number of bars or
restaurants that were closing, and but you know, some of
those the media just sort of jump on some of

(27:54):
those stories. Some of those businesses were at the least
was coming to an end, or the owner was retiring
a little bit deeper.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Sometimes they are a rubbish industry of business. Sometimes the
owners just taking a lot of cash out of there,
not covering town. But it all gets tied up as
as you know.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
The economy's fault.

Speaker 16 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, Hahn said, all the governments fyled oh do
macglam and so yeah. The left wing and the media
in this country just jump on there at any opportunity,
especially a Wellington being a sort of political left landing study.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Yeah, yeah, well, thank you for your call, Greg, and
good luck, good luck, go well on Friday.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
That is Greg Wilson, the owner of Epic Hospitality. He
runs five Wellington Hosbow businesses. And he says, hallelujah, this
is exactly what they need. So what do you say, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you want to
send a text. Nine two ninety two is that text number?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
And he says, I'm an Anglican who loves Lent Easter
and the Dristians, which I have come to appreciate more
since my retirement in my early seventies. I think I
think God for my parents who sent me to a
school where religion and hymns and morals were very important.
I hope we keep good Friday as it is, and
I would not mind shops opening and selling alcohol after
twelve a day on Easter Sunday, as this Easter is

(29:05):
a day to celebrate, but if people just want the
extra holiday as well, then maybe those days should be scrapped.
Regards Penny, thank you for your text, Penny.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, cut on your penny. It is eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Back very soon, Matt and Tyler with you as your
afternoon rolls on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with Skoda.
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Speaker 3 (29:31):
They'd be it is a quarter to two.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
We're talking about the Easter trading laws, the reforms coming
through potentially on Friday, Greg, how are you?

Speaker 9 (29:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (29:40):
Good mate? Lust And I listened to the gentleman from
the hospital and I take on board what he said,
but I take the point of what Max said before
about the day of reflection. I'm not particularly religious, and
I like a beer as much as an ex person.
But the world's not going to end if you can't
drink grog, as you know, and you can surely have
a couple of days a week with a year as

(30:01):
it were, that you can have a beer at home
if you need to. You know that you don't have
to go out. And this thing that we have to
be open all the time, like I personally think Boxing
day should be shut like it used to, just to
give our shop workers and other people like that a
bit of time, a bit of a break, you know.
And all this stuff about the tourists, well, who comes

(30:21):
twelve thousand miles just so they can have a beer
in a restaurant, will go out. They don't just come
here so they can get on the grog, do they?
And why do we have to bend everything for the tourists?
Watch for the best men of this country. I mean
I've been in front on their steel day and everything
was pretty well closed up then, but you know it
was no but gar you go there, you accept it,
And I just think, like you'd be aware of this

(30:44):
that there's a particular nursery and christ you it's Tyler,
you probably know about it like everyone. Yeah, and they
make a big deal theyut opening and breaking the law
and getting fined and it's just a garade they go
through every year and they're act or their claimers. Our
people have got to get out and planned on those days.
It's one day a year, you know. It's just I

(31:06):
just think it's good for people's health. And me we
have a few days we were shut and we all
get by. We all used to and I just say this,
you know, it's just a bit over the top. What
do you guys feel?

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, Like I mean, Greg think I for you cool.
So I was going to share and I realized that
We just spent the start of the show laying into
that idiotic study that came out of Australia use today
on vaping.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yes, but that's not to say all studies are idiotic,
just that one.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
So this study Swedish study by researcher Terry haarteche I
wrote about it in my book. Actually it's a study.
What they the way they studied holidays was versus antidepressant use,
and they found out that people are happier when they
take time off work less antidepressant. Right, But the fact
that happiness increased when many people are on holiday at

(31:56):
the same time, Yes, so shared time off matters more,
according to the study than just individual time off. And
the reasons were easier to social when you know that
other socialis when you know that ever else is free. Yep,
so it's easy to plan because everyone's going to be
free when it's when it's definitely a holiday leaves the
anxiety as well for people because work isn't continuing without them,

(32:19):
so they haven't chosen to take a day off and
as a result or expected to be there or not
expected to be there, or work's being done when they're
when they're not there. Makes sense, and the benefits according
to this that riple across society. Even retirees feel happier,
and unemployed people also feel better on weekends due to

(32:40):
the shared downtime because they also are able to hang
out with people that do work, and social timing reduces
feelings of oscillation or shame. And the conclusion was basically,
happiness is partly driven by synchronized schedules, not just personal freedom.
So it's not just having time off that makes people happier,

(33:01):
it's having time off together when you know that everyone
has the time off. And that is the original idea
for public holidays being holidays that are called Saints Days
back in the day. It's the idea that we need
times when everyone is off, yes, so there can be

(33:21):
a collective relaxation, and that's the logic behind them.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, makes a lot of sense. I mean, anyone who's
taken a bit of and you'll leave when everybody else
is at work. I think most of us would say
that was a crap holiday. Everybody else was working. I
hung out by myself, I didn't really do anything. Rather
than having everybody off at the same time, at least
you can do stuff with people that you love and
even if there's a buzz in the city, we've all
fault it. Maybe not not up in Auckland because everybody

(33:47):
buggers off on a long weekend, but in general, and
there's energy in a city because everyone's enjoying a day.
I'll just deal it, just just on a basic level.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
People that work have their weekends in the middle of
the week, you know, Yeah, that's how they feel. Was
that just what you said?

Speaker 10 (33:59):
Then?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yes, well kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, that's right.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
I just try to make the point you just made, well,
you made it very well, great point. I needed that.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
But equally, I understand what this nightclub owner saying. I
just have some night clubs and didn't make money on
the food. Really just had to be able to comply,
had it to be able to comply, but wouldn't kick
off until ten thirty pm, and then we had to
close at twelve on a Saturday night because technically it
turned into Easter Sunday, and that's where everyone's in town
and about on the long weekend and you have to

(34:27):
kick them out and it will cost you a lot
of money for a couple of hours of income. Yeah,
I get that. I mean that is you know in
my partying days, I remember that can get up and
really going hard on a Saturday.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
You've still got a few of those days left mal
stood over yet start over yet, but.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Just ubiquitous parting days. But it was every day and
then you get kicked out at twelve because it was
Easter Sunday. That was an nod. It was confusing. It's
hard to get your hit out.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
It did suck yees taking your calls on O eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. So the Good Friday trading laws,
they're going to be reformed maybe before Friday. That means
you can buy booze without food. Is this a win
for you or is this met messing with tradition. It
is nine minutes to.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Two, Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
News talksb news Talks there be. It is seven to
two and we're talking about the Easter trading laws. It's
set for reform and it looks like it's going to
be pushed through before Good Friday this year. In a
couple of days time that means if you go into
a restaurant and you want some alcohol, you don't have
to order food anymore. So plenty of texts coming through

(35:39):
A ninety two niney two. This one says, gooday, guys.
As someone who works in tourism retail, we only close
on Christmas Day. I would love if they closed up
on Easter Friday and Sunday, Christmas and Boxing Days. In fact,
all of the public holidays, even half day on ad Zac. Sadly,
in the industry I'm in, we're always open and sometimes
that sucks.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
This Texas says, awesome show as always, guys, But shut up,
Heath and let me get pissed this weekend or I'll
kill you. Love you, hate you, love you, love you
right there. I'm not trying to think you if your text,
appreciate it, but you get passed this weekend, mate, it's
fill your boots you loose, get amongst it.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
A couple more coming through.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
People have the opportunity to organize there and you'll leave anyway.
So the argument that we need these particular days as
sacricent as move now, I think you're missing the point there.
Text of the idea is that if everyone knows that
definitely those days are definitely off, then it can be
planned in a way because you don't know. You don't
just get not everyone gets to choose when they get

(36:41):
the day off. If you're if you're working in hospitality
in the weekend, then you you can't just say I
want that week off, that that weekend off. That's not
how it works.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Exactly. When I first started as a young reporter, I
had to work the public holidays because that's what you did.
If you're the youngest and you're only been there for
a couple of months, then you were forced to work
those public holidays because you haven't earned enough seniority. But exactly,
and that sucked. That sucked for me.

Speaker 17 (37:08):
Family.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
We're having fun on Good Friday and Easter Sunday and
I was stuck at work.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Secondly says it's text and nobody is forced to work.
That is slavery. If people do not work, want to
work that day, then take in your leave. That is
what it's for. Your knowledge of the hospitality business needs
a little work. Most of us, yes, I am in
hospital makes similar margins on food and beverage. Really, because
it wasn't us that said that it was some of
that owned seven bars, So it's not my knowledge on

(37:33):
that Muppet show of a text my business is about
as a bar, but forty percent of a revenue is
from food. What kind of business would I be running
a forty percent of my turnover was a lost leader
a different business than the one that we were talking to. Anyway,
this pusiness is going on and on and not really
understanding the point because the thing is having to work

(37:53):
and slavery not mutually exclusive. I mean I have to work, yep,
but it's not slave labor. No, I mean it wouldn't be.
If I start working. There's no one chaining me up
and making me do this job. But there's also no
way I could stop working.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
You get paid handsomely as well. Yeah, great discussion. Thank
you very much for all your texts and phone calls.
Really enjoyed that. Coming up after two o'clock, it's going
to be an interesting discussion. All Birds, once the darling
in the fashion world, and certainly a darling of a
company in New Zealand, once worth around seven billion, has
agreed to sell its assets for a fraction of that value,
about sixty eight million bucks.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
So was the business all based on sustain ability, sustainable sneakers,
and it has gone out of fashion. Let's really so
does no one care about sustainability? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh eight hundred has that gone out of fashion?

Speaker 18 (38:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 8 (38:47):
A call?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Nineteen ninety two is the text number. News coming up?

Speaker 10 (38:51):
Swell swell la.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Weegain, big stories, the bleig issues, the big trends and
everything in between, and kids and Heath and Tyler Adams.
Afternoon squid Shodder News Talk said, be very.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Good afternoon to you. Hope you're having a great Wednesday,
seven past too.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
So good to be here. Hey, just before we get
stuck into this topic for this hour, which will be
all birds. You know, the other day I was talking
about this movie.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Please date your name, Ryan Grace, please walk up from
a como.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Thanks years from my apartment of course, project Hailmia.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah I can hear Ryan Gosling.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
It came out a couple of weeks ago, and you know,
movies come out and then we don't really talk about them,
yes anymore, you just do them on the release. This
movie is so good I just thought i'd bring it again.
I went to I've been to it twice now, right,
And this is what a lot of people are saying
about this movie. It stars Ryan Gosling. It's based on
the book of the same name by Andy were fantastic book,

(40:05):
same same book, same guy that wrote The Martian. And
of course The Martian was a good movie as well,
great movie. Yeah, Matt Damon in it. But I just
this movie is quite incredible how well it's doing at
the box office. And it's a straight old fashions, feel
good word of mouth movie, I guess is what you

(40:26):
describe it as. But I was just looking at sometimes
I like to look at box office numbers. There's something
weird about it.

Speaker 19 (40:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Normally a typical Hollymollet movie will we'll look at We'll
have you know, box office declines drop offs from week
to week of like fifty sometimes even seventy percent. If
it's a Marvel movie. Often the next week it will
drop off seventy percent from so you have this big
fanfare of this massive box office number, people go to it,
tell everyone how bad it was, and then no one
goes next.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Week, right, quite golm and it's all hype.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
But this movie had a five percent international decline, which
is completely unheard of. Wow, so just dropped five percent
internationally in the box office from from its first week.
That I mean that it's just phenomenal, and they haven't
they haven't been advertising it more and did the same
thing with a big movie. I mean, did it cost
two hundred million dollars so they need to make a

(41:16):
bit of money back?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yep, yep. But a marketing evolved.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
But the first week it came out and there was
a bit of hoopler, a few interviews with the star
and such and and but then it's just kept going
and the growth in the movie and well, the hold
in the movie is purely from weird of mouth, because
there's no one that goes to Project Hail Mary and
doesn't go that was a great movie. Yeah, that was
just a good, good, good movie in the way that

(41:40):
movies used to just be real good.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I'm just having to look at the reviews now on
IMDb and take what you will from that site. But
from user reviews ten ten stars, ten stars, ten stars,
nine stars, ten stars, that's a great sign. There's a
very good sign that the people are absolutely loving it
and it is getting people back in cinemas right I mean,
I'm hoping there's still people going to cinetas, but we
knew there was a drop off, and it's it's a
rare sy when a movie comes along like that one,

(42:05):
as you say, one, it stays in the top of
the charts for a long time. It gets people fizzed
up about going to the cinema.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I think the last one like this was Top Gun Maverick,
which just kept going and going and going because it
was feel good, gave you everything you want in a movie,
a great a list star that really holds it together,
incredible special effects. And this story is probably a bit
more complex than Maverick. I mean, if one was another
one like.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
This as well, yep that it was a fantastic movie.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
It's hard to put your finger on it. But they're
they're sort of an old school movie. They're just a blockbuster.
Yeap new ip great.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, fantastic, Go down, go to the cinema, check it out.
Hail Mary project, Hail Mary looks phenomenal. I've been twice
exactly will you go third? No, okay, twice. How many
times do you go to IF One?

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I went ti IF one three times.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, it's good. Good from you.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
I mean, I'm a guy that goes to a lot
of movies. You do love the cinema? Yeah, yeah, I
went to Mavericks three times. They're your top gun Maverick. Actually,
God damn, I'll go to Project hel Yeah, I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Keep it in the chart.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Can't stop me.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, go and see your project Hail Mary. Let's get
into this discussion. All Birds, New Zealands. So this was
once a high flying, eco friendly shoe brand that reached
a valuation of around seven billion dollars. It certainly was
the daline of the fashion world for a certain period
of time. It was hyped up in New Zealand. We
were very proud of what Tim Brown, the former All

(43:27):
White Captain, did with that particular brand. But sadly news
is out today that it has agreed to sell its
assets for a fraction of the value, about sixty eight
million dollars according to The Herald. So this move follows
years of declining sales, financial losses and failed attempts to
expand beyond its original sneaker success.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
So what happened with All Birds? I mean, we were
so happy and proud as a nation, and we probably
should still be. I mean, it got up to a
seven billion dollar valuation just from an idea that was
rustled up in a flat in twenty fourteen and Wellington. Yeah,
so you know, whatever you say, arguably for Tim Brown,
the founder, it's a success story. I mean for him
it is, right. I mentioned he's still got a few

(44:08):
dollars floating around. I feel all birds dollars floating around
in the bank.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
But what went wrong there? Because essentially the people that
have bought it, they just buy distressed air sets. They've
just bought the you know, the ip really, so to
drop off from right down to thirty nine million from
from the heights that it reached ninety nine point five

(44:33):
crash in the sheer price? What went wrong? What went wrong?
Because on a very basic level, all Birds shoes were
cool and then suddenly incredibly uncoll And how did that happen?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Because even I felt it. I felt that I felt
and I don't care about fashion, but I felt that
wearing all birds were suddenly kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
And it happened so suddenly because everybody was buying all
Birds and loving all birds, and then it felt like
it was probably over the space of six months. But
to me, it felt like almost overnight that all birds
were all the raven. If you didn't have them, you're
a loser. Then almost overnight, you're a loser. If you
go out and your will, you're all birds.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
So to people, is this situation that this is sustainability thing,
which was a big part of it, just does people
don't care about it? Because one of the reasons why
all birds lost value was that people were just hiffing
up cheaper imitations. Yes that weren't as sustainable, so people
were like, well, I want that kind of shoe. Did

(45:33):
people do it? Do people actually care sustainability actually a
thing that people throw their money at or not?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And yeah, it's a good question, I would argue right now,
I don't think it is. There be a lot of
people that would say sustainability is very important to them
and they want to support the likes of particularly in
New Zealand, New Zealand Will and New Zealand Will is
a fantastic product. But when push comes to shove, I
just think that is a little bit of tokenism to
say we really care about how a shoe is made.

(46:03):
I think most people, if you're being honest, do you
really care if that shoe is being made in the
likes of Bangladesh versus being made here at home.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Well, these ones were being made in Vietnam, okay, right,
so all birds were being made in Vietnam. It's unfortunate
and that was part of what really put the nail
in the coffin, was with the tariffs at a Vietnam.
But you know, all Birds it was genuine, genuine innovation story,
sustainable material materials. They went global out of out of Wellington,
New Zealand. They had a strong brand. Was it just

(46:35):
was it just tariffs and copycats and went down or
was the whole thing just just sort of a one
of those classic over hypes with weak fundamental situations.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, you know it's an interesting story.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Are you still reading? Are you still wearing your all birds?

Speaker 16 (46:52):
Out?

Speaker 3 (46:52):
There?

Speaker 17 (46:52):
Are?

Speaker 3 (46:52):
One hundred and eighteen.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Eighty nine two ninety two is the text giving us.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Said octually Bloomfield wore all birds. Well, I mean maybe
that was the problem, but.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
They're just going to take a knock to the show.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I mean that's obviously going to kick Actually, Bloomfield wearing
all birds is obviously going to kick in the guts
and to the new Zealand market, but they didn't explain
the internet problem.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, exactly, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do
you still love your All Birds? And what do you
think actually went wrong with the company? Why do we
and the world fall out of love with them? It
is a quarter past two. We will be back very surely.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams.
Afternoons call, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk.
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Very good afternoons you seventeen past ten. We're talking about
the downfall of All Birds. Certainly was a darling in
the fashion industry and very much loved and we were
very proud of that company that was started by Tim
Brown and a little garage on Cuba Street in Wellington.
But unfortunately now from a height of seven billion dollars
value is now going to be sold for sixty eight millions.

(47:52):
So what went wrong?

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Gloria loves them? I have three pairs All Birds, love
them and still wear them. Good on your Gloria three pairs?
A better stock up now, Chris Welling the show. What
do you think? What do you think about the whole
All Birds saga? And how you doing good, very well,
good mate.

Speaker 20 (48:10):
Yeah, it's kind of it's sad to hear about it.
I don't I guess about five peers in my lifetime
of all but the last pair. Yeah, but the last
pair I bought. I thought this will be the last
last time I wear these or bardon and I was
given my reasons. I mean, first of all, I thought
they look great, Brigod Baxter in terms of the sustainability

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things like that, and that does help your decision making
and so and then you see Barack Obama and Leonardo DiCaprio,
those types, we're in the round place. They did quite
well on that influence the kind of side of things.
But then eventually I just found they got quite kind
of worn out and tatty right right, and you just
kind of split thread beer and it's like it's whereas

(48:53):
other other sneakers I kind of find didn't do that.
And I kind of think in the end it was
just came down to that they just started looking a
little bit I don't know, right around the edges.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Did you always get the ones, you know, the classical bird,
which is the I guess Gray wool with with the
you know, the soul, you know, just the classical bird. Yeah. Yeah.
They branched down of different types of shoes after a while,
didn't they.

Speaker 20 (49:17):
They did, Yeah, And then I kind of felt that
a lot of it was just starting to look a
little bit kind of getting off track, getting off track
of it as they tried to, you know, diversify and
so on, and that that original format I just kind
of felt just just fell apart to quickly but just
looked quite kacky.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah. Are you the kind of Are you the kind
of guy? Would you just describe yourself as a fashion easter? Chris?
You follow the at all.

Speaker 20 (49:42):
Too vaguely, but not at all. I bought themselves up
because they were really really comfortable to weir, you still are, Yeah,
but but I kind of think that, you know, it's
it's the other things that that kind of put me off,
and then suddenly they just feel like, Okay, this just
feels feels wrong now because I'm buying these shoes and
they're three or four months later and they're just looking
like I need another.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Ride, and so and so.

Speaker 10 (50:04):
So.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
It was the story you for want a bit of
a wood brought into the story, the sustainability that the
Kiwi guy doing well, and you were willing to back
them for five peers on the back of that, but
in the end they what got you off was just
that they weren't delivering what they needed to deliver for you.

Speaker 20 (50:22):
Yeah, they just kind of let me down because I
I thought it's quite like they were quite a unique
design to spartament as well, which I thought was pretty cool.
And as I say, certainly, I thought I thought that
whole influence, a kind of strategy that had in place
was really good, and good on all these people for
getting into them. But in the end they just kind
of the I felt as though they let me down.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, right, And what's your next pair of shoes? Looking
like with your.

Speaker 20 (50:45):
Well actually straight? It's so funny, you would ask. I
was I needed to get a peer because I went
over to Australia over a New Year break and I wint, oh,
I need a pair of sneaches. So I did a
lot of working around the place and I went in
to the local we live down here in Healthon, and
I bought myself for the first ever time, a pair
of sketches. Sketches is that any fats anyway? And I

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thought I thought they were kind of like, you know,
like your grandfather's shoes. But actually I'd recommend them that
the most really really they look great and they're very comfortable,
So I might stick at the East for a while.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
After because Sketches have had the sort of fashion problems
or cool problems.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
For one of the they were cooling the night, very
cool in the early two thousand years, Skitches were I
think it was kind of associated with the skater fraternity.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Were they?

Speaker 10 (51:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (51:34):
But then they somehow and I heard my cost give
them a really hard time. So I thought they must
be really good. They must be really good, but they
won't give them the boots exactly. The wearing All Birds
apparently was put them on the way out. But maybe
I skar putting the boot into sketches might help them.
But it certainly made me reinforce my purtures that he

(51:57):
didn't like them.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Tait was on board the sketches, wasn't She was, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
there we go, here we go ride.

Speaker 20 (52:05):
I'm right up with the.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Young you certainly, Chris. Thanks for your call, Chris, Yeah,
great call. So you like Chris one hundred and eighty
ten eighty where you're a big All Birds fan. But
then I think he's right about the story because when
it started off, we all got very excited. We love
boosting up New Zealand war. We get very proud about
it when we can find uses for it. But then
I think when he expanded into the US and then

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in Australia and tried to and this is often the
problem when you build a company like that stratospheric levels,
you lose the essence of what you were originally. It
just didn't start to feel like good old New Zealand
can do attitude. It started to feel like Obama will
wear my shoes, DiCaprio will wear my shoes. If you
don't wear my shoes, you're a loser.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Well i'll tell you what. Here's here's here's some grassroots
shoe wearing right here. I'm a nurse and have several
piers of All Birds for work as they're super comfy
and washable. A been a fan since they started, but
when they branched out to clothing, it wasn't affordable. I'm
off to my shift and I trust you all words
right now.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Good on your helen, Yeah, goot on your creat text,
but come practical.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
All those kind of things maybe don't hold up a
seven billion dollar brand. There's there has to be another
element to it. There has to be a lot of innovation.
If you look at all birds, you know there are
different ones. They brought out the varsity line, the men's
varsity line and women's varsity line and such. But yeah,

(53:31):
just that comfortable, comfortable, good to where to work. You
just doesn't scream seven billion dollars, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
No, Although, look at Crocs. Yeah, exactly so, I how
to Crocs do it?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
But Crocs used to be the definition of horrific. And
then all of a sudden every kid wanted them. And
then you'd go to something and the kids and the
grandparents were where, you know, the teenagers and the grandparents
were all wearing Crocs. Crocs just blew up. We're a
Crocs sitting at the moment.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, are you still a Croc fan? The Crocs still
going hard because I think they are comfortab a comfy
nurses love a good Croc. But yeah, that seemed to
work out for them. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I agree with this. Sketches have never been associated with skateboarding,
and they've never been cooled.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
When I was skateboarding about myself. Sketches were really well, no,
like I was wearing shoes. I was wearing sketches when
I was skateboarding. I was just talking about me as
a yeah yeah, not the wider z guys, wow, just me,
just me.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
I was leading the charts, right, all right, very good?
But hi there, all birds are expensive, too soft, and
my toes went through them. See my one pair of
sketches I had, My toe went through the front of them.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I'd never buy another pair of for that happened.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yeah, never had money. You know, we've grown to accept
that our tone might go through a sock, but we
don't expect that toe to go through this. We're a
fast bowler in the eighties, so hell of a tona.
We don't expect that big toad to be coming through
the shoe. Never had my size as the colors available
were not colors I liked or so they get dirty
very quickly. Can throw them through the washing machine though.
Alan lots of good local Casul shoes to purchase. Enjoying

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your show, Thanks Leanne, thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Great text. Keep those coming through. Nine two nine two
is that number? But taking your calls eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. What do you think went wrong with
all or if you're still a massive fan, keen to
hear your story. It is twenty five past two.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
They're going to come back like the Birkenstock. Maybe the
Birkenstock was also just considered.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
You got your books on at the moment.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Birkenstock's used to be the terrain only of German six
tourists and now still are. Now they're very popular.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Matd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty eighty on news talk, sa'd.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Be twenty seven past two. How you doing, Marie?

Speaker 11 (55:40):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Good?

Speaker 21 (55:41):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Got your all birds on?

Speaker 21 (55:44):
Not today? I haven't to know, but yeah, best best
investment I ever made.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Really, that is high praise.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
So what did you love about them or what do
you love about them?

Speaker 21 (55:57):
I the comfort and I never experienced any blisters at all.
I spent four months traveling around Europe. I came home
in January and I wore them day and night literally.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
And with that is this the classical bird, you know,
the one that everyone immediately thinks of, the the the
woolen ones that like slippers, was the soul.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah, yeah, and did you initially by and because it
was key we made it had a nice story behind it.
It was made of will. Sustainability was that part of
why you you got in in the first place.

Speaker 21 (56:37):
Definitely, the will factor and the comfort factor that I
had heard of from friends to be to be honest
with you, sustainability was not necessarily the thing. It was
more about the comfort.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah. Yeah, I think there would be the case for
a lot of people if they're being honest, you know,
sustainability might be a little bit of a factor there,
but most people are looking for comfort and in cost
effective effectiveness.

Speaker 21 (57:03):
Right yeah, absolutely, yeah, And we wore them every day.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
What state were they and when you got back from
using it, we're in the mirry doown Europe? Really good?

Speaker 22 (57:12):
Really good?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, absolutely, you don't put your toe through the front
of it. So yet you didn't put your toe through
the front of it.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
No, not stinky, No, not at all. The wash you
don't sound like something like the cot of person that
would have to worry about foot oder. You just don't
give me that kind of vibe.

Speaker 21 (57:30):
No, But truly they were amazing and I would if
I could, I'd buy another pair brilliant?

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, can you so these these these people that have
bought it there is I'm at all Birds, Dot, Coat,
ot and ZID right now, and it looks like I
can still buy by a peer.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah there was speculators.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
You said Men's Wall cruises are sold out.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Okay, so right, that's for your.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Classic looking all birds that we all imagine. Yeah, see you,
but look like a buy a men's runner. Yep, that's
got all the sizes there.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
How much do they want to sixty?

Speaker 3 (58:04):
For those?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
It's not too bad? So right to sixty or not?

Speaker 3 (58:08):
If you toe through, come through the front.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
You better get in quick if you want to though,
because I don't think they're going to last one Zeland.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
We love the story. We want will to do well? Yeah,
love will we do? We want Will do well? Yeah,
and so it was very close to our heart that
Wall was doing well. We want a lot of winners
out of Wall.

Speaker 10 (58:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
What do you say though? One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Nine two nine two
is the text? And coming up after the headlines, we're
going to speak to marketing expert doctor Bodo Lang and
ask him what his thoughts are about the downfall of
all birds headlines with Windy coming up.

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Speaker 2 (59:56):
Thank you very much, Wendy. So, as we've been discussing
All Birds, the once high flying eco friendly shoe brand
that reached evaluation of around seven billion dollars, has agreed
to sell its assets for a fraction of that value,
around sixty eight million dollars, in plans to wind down
the company. So to analyze what happened, we are joined
by marketing expert doctor Bodo Laying. Bodo, very good afternoon

(01:00:16):
to you.

Speaker 11 (01:00:18):
Good afternoon, Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
From your perspective, what did All Birds get right early
marketing wise and when did it start going wrong?

Speaker 22 (01:00:28):
Look, I think the initial value proposition was excellent and
developer position was that they're differentiating their shoes based on sustainability,
so shoes that are made out of wool or FTC
certified fabrics that are not harmful. So that I think
was an excellent initial position because it was really a
wide space in the shoe market. But after that. What

(01:00:52):
happened is, of course competitors copied pretty quickly what they
were doing, and they really just failed to differentiate themselves,
meaning for you, and so I think as a result,
consumers just failed to see value in buying the brand.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
So was it great looking, great shoes they were selling
or was it just the sustainability story? Did people not
really fall in love with the design and the brand
just the sustainability that is that for you?

Speaker 22 (01:01:20):
I think that's fair to say. I think that always
give people a compelling reason to believe, but just not
a sufficiently strong reason to buy repeatedly at scale. It
just didn't appeal to enough consumers. There will be a
segment of die hard sustainability, you know, heroes. They will
buy product that markets the markets itself that way, But

(01:01:42):
for most consumers, sustainability is really a secondary kind of
product attribute. We all like to buy sustainable products, but
there are other product attributes that are more important to us.
So performance, aesthetics, or identity when you think of Sneakers
and Alberts just didn't perform well on those more important

(01:02:03):
product attributes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Was the seven billion dollar well that's seven billion dollar
New Zealand four point one build us valuation part of
the problem. You're suddenly having to make a lot of
compromises to be a company that's that's a huge company.
So essentially, did they expand too fast before the brand
was strong enough globally to justify being that big a business.

Speaker 22 (01:02:24):
Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. I think
it's a typical, you know, sort of b area hype brand,
you know, a great valued proposition at the start, but
I think it was completely overvalued when you look at
earnings and you know what the market valuation was, so
share price times the number of shares. It was really overvalued.
And you can get away with it if you can

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really high growth and strong margins. But they just didn't
have that strong growth. There was a really you know,
there was excitement about the brand early on, but it
just didn't carry on. And that was linked to you know,
some people felt that this Nickers even looked ugly. They
were two plain and that's a really important, basic sounding,
but really important attribute for people when they buy shoes,
they have to look smart because they're part of what

(01:03:09):
we call you extend itself, and so you don't want
to have sustainable but ugly looking snakets.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah, what about the New Zealand story part of it?
We you know, in New Zealand we hear that there's
a lot of value attached that internationally. Is that true
when you look at the likes of All Birds. Was
that part of their initial success that internationally it's a
brand that comes from New Zealand and we've got a
good name. Or do we read too much into that value?

Speaker 22 (01:03:33):
I think that's part of a really nice brand narrative
to have that you know, this brand comes from a
different place, and you know that place is renowned for something.
But I don't think that is enough by itself to
sustain you know, sales at scale to a mass market,
and let's not forget you know, shoes and fashion, which
shoes are part of, is a super competitive market. There

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are global competitors that you're taking head on, and initially
there were in a protected white space, but that sort
of molt didn't last very long because it could be
copied by other competitives.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Cultural relevance is a really hard thing to keep going.
I was just telling before a story about one of
my younger sons put on my All Birds and wore
them out, and my elder son seat. You can't be
going out in those, you cannot be seen in them.
That was actually a sort of discussed at all Birds,
so which blew my mind. Why do they care so much?
But how do you keep cultural relevance going for a brand,

(01:04:32):
especially with younger, younger buyers. I guess that's the big
seven billion dollar question, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:04:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:04:38):
Absolutely, I think cultural relevance is really important. You need
to have cultural license to operate in the first place,
and then ideally you're seen as a brand to be desirable,
and so how do you do that? I mean the
traditional answer to that is sharp product design and really
good marketing communication, particularly advertising online and offline. You want
to associate yourself with essentially good looking models, you know,

(01:05:02):
being seen to do fun things that are worthwhile. And
so when you think of you know, really big brands
in the can you think of Coca Cola or Nike.
You know, a shoe and a soft drink, relatively interchangeable, really,
you know, but where the value is is the brand.
And so those brands have been created over decades and
with really deep pockets, and so that's just always just

(01:05:24):
didn't have that ability to create that sort of following
and that sort of brand identity.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
How's Crocs done it? That's that's something that really confuses
may Crocs at one point we're a joke, but now
they are you know, four quadrants too, They're everywhere.

Speaker 22 (01:05:42):
Yes, they are. They It's a good example. I think
it's a really that to me is a product that
is uniquely different. And so when you look at Crocs,
particularly the base model, it is uniquely different from anything
else you can buy. Sure there are cheap knockoffs from
other places, but it's not a sneaker or a shoe
that you would look at and go, oh, I wonder

(01:06:04):
who that is, you know, made by And so when
you look at an all but and you take the
label away and you show it to people, they can't
tell you what that is. A CROs has a really
strong identity.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
So as all birds. A great idea that got badly
executed and hit a bit of bad luck, you know,
COVID and various other things, the tariffs out of Vietnam
and stuff, or proof that the idea was just never
that strong to begin with. This failure.

Speaker 22 (01:06:33):
Look, I think the base idea is excellent. I think
positioning yourself on sustainability is really good, But I think
sustainability is always a multiplier. It's not your core reason
for buying a product, particularly schools. You know, if you
lined up one hundred New Zealanders or US customers right
now and said tell me, what are the main reasons
why you'd buy a shoe, virtually nobody would say sustainability.

(01:06:56):
They would say comfort, performance, identity, all these sorts of
other things. And so you can have sustainability as a multiplier,
but you've got to perform really really well on other
important produt attributes. And I think that's just, you know,
a really hard thing to do in the shoewear market.
So I think the bas Idya was excellent, but I
think they just failed to evolve and didn't have deep

(01:07:18):
enough pockets to write a compelling brand narrative around the brand.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
It's an interesting and fascinating story and a sad end
to what was a very hyped company. But really appreciate
your time this afternoon, doctor Bodo Lang, and hopefully we'll
catch up again soon.

Speaker 22 (01:07:34):
No pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
That is marketing expert from Massy University, doctor Bodo Lang,
and we're taking your calls. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Why if you did fall out of love with All Birds?
What happened? And if you're still in love with them?
How hurt are you that it's going to be no more?
Nineteen ninet two se that text number is eighteen to
three to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Have a chat with Matt and Tyler on Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons with Skoda.
Can you crack the scoder code us dog Z'd be
quarter to two.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
We're talking about the end of All Birds as a brand.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty as a number.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
To call on person not interested in sustainability at all.
I'm all about quality.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
And costs and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Shrugging emoji from this texture.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
It's weird how that's it's controversial for some people to
say they're not into sustainability. I think most of us
think that it's okay to say you don't really care
that much about it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
We've been greenwash so hard that we don't trust anything.
I mean, anyone that's been on in New Zealand flight
and being handed a wooden knife.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
And fork, you just plasting at jet fuel.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Yeah, after that, you just start to question anyone that's
claiming any kind of sustainability.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Right, yeah, yeah, fear points are Craig, how are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (01:08:43):
Good bud to yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Yeah. Good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
So you're in the wall industry, is that right?

Speaker 16 (01:08:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:08:48):
I've been in over thirty odd years and been sat
in most parts of the supply chain. So I mean
it's sad to see that, you know that where All
Birds end up. But you know, like always the world's
miracle fiber and when it comes to sustainability and that
I work for a Norwegian clothing coming that's been in
the business since AD fifty three. So sometimes I wonder

(01:09:10):
whether you know, as using the right wall and the
right product and whether that was you know, some of
your callers are saying that the shoes haven't last. And
I remember when I All Birds first came out and
was crowdfunding and I pull the money and way to
get my first set of shoes and they arrived was
six months later or something, and then wore them and
couldn't get them off from my feet. But then they

(01:09:31):
started to fall apart, you know, like so wool was great,
but let's use wall in the right products, you know,
And I don't know whether that was some of the issues.
But when it comes to sustainability, you don't get a
better product than woolf I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
A Marino jumper like I'm wearing right now. You don't
get much better than that. There's no way that you
can question a Marino jumper top quality. And there's another
company that I'm a big fan of that do not
Disturb Sleep company that sells you know, will eye masks
for sleeping, you know, and those are areas where you
just cannot deny that that's that's fantastic. Carpet is a

(01:10:08):
what are other absolute sure thing wool products?

Speaker 10 (01:10:12):
Great, well, there's just so many of them. Like it's
as you said, like Marino going into next to skin products,
you know, the different microns of wall, you know, micron
been and millions of a meter. Our hair is roughly
sixty micron, you know, so you look at it and
go right, So let's use wool in the right place.
And you know, for for clothing, we want to get

(01:10:33):
to the softer microns so it doesn't atch against your skin.
But then you know your carpets, the strong woo sheep,
the idea wall insulation, wall match, there's just so many products,
you know, but like working for this Norwegian clothing company
that's been around for a long time, They've used the
right product for the right garments. They started with the

(01:10:54):
traditional big fisherman's jersey sweaters and guy went around the
fiord selling his jumpers and and then went to the
to the underwear. And the Norwegians are very good at wall.
You're born into wall and you dyeing wall type of things.
So and I think there's where a lot of you know,
brand sometimes just try and jump in on the wall, sustainable,

(01:11:15):
natural and just hoping that all consumers just you know,
buy into it. And I want lots of mates to
go lock. I'd love to buy your garments, but you know,
I want to get into a wall, but no price.
But if you buy it once, you've got it for
a lifetime, and if you use in the right product,
you know. So I think it comes down a lot
around the education around the wall and as a wollaans,

(01:11:36):
we probably haven't got it right for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
And yeah, sorry to jump in there, Cray, but do
you think there's you know, there's been a lot of
talk about wall in New Zealand over the past couple
of years and we get we're very proud when people
want to jump in and try and use that product
because they just say it as a miracle product for
whatever they're doing. But do you think that there was,
or maybe still is an element of maybe too much
hype around it being good for everything when you've got

(01:12:01):
to focus in on the areas it just does well.

Speaker 10 (01:12:05):
Yeah, And I think a lot of people when they
jump into these things, into the making new products, and
I take my head off to everyone that does it.
The pipeline going from you know, sharing a sheet like
I'm sitting in the middle of McKenzie basin now and
to see you know, our next next jumpers that will
go on to our consumers will be in twenty twenty

(01:12:27):
eight once that wall shorn.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Wow ye this year.

Speaker 17 (01:12:30):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:12:30):
So that's a long pipeline and you've you've got to
cash flow all that and then people understand what if
you're paying the farmers say twenty four bucks cleaner kilogram,
and but the jumper is two hundred and eighty and
you go, how does that all work? And so there's
a lot of the process in the background, and you
can't you can't change that process. You just can't speed

(01:12:52):
it up, you know. So it's a lot of a
lot of making sure that when people get into these
products that they understand the full pipeline and using the
right wall for the right product.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I'll tell you what people are talking about a lot now,
Marino boxer shorts.

Speaker 14 (01:13:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
I've got a few friends that that have jumped on Marino.
So you talk to the what did you say next
to skin products, Craig, is that what you call them? Yeah?
And anyone that's on the Marino boxer shorts, will they
become like a religious convert good? Feel real good?

Speaker 10 (01:13:25):
Yeah, and you can you can wear them for days,
just hang them out overnight and brilliant. Yet one pre
for the weak.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
That sounds pretty good to me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Look great. That's how I sell them to my partner. Yeah, Tracy,
I love that saved money.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah. Do you mind if we mentioned I've just looked
you up hectually? Do you mind if we give your
business we mentioned no? Do you live because you're you're devolved?

Speaker 19 (01:13:51):
Right?

Speaker 11 (01:13:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yeah? Yeah, I know. I know you didn't want to
plug here, but I was just having a look at
some of your products, and it's beautiful products and very
reasonably priced as well. So are you doing doing pretty
well at the moment, I might.

Speaker 10 (01:14:03):
Have gone got an out. Our model, our supply model
is probably different to most others. Is where like I said,
I'm sitting in McKenzie basin, and we probably take ninety
ninety five percent of the wall out of the mckensie
basin and put that through our own supply chain. There's
where I've got our own processing plants, manufacturing cut so

(01:14:25):
and a little plant in Lithuania that's putting out around
forty thousand garments a week. And so that's one of
the big things around wall is you've got to give
it the respect that it deserves and treat it with
quality because it is a quality product. And so to
get a quality garment you need great ingredients, you know,
and always go back to the old scenario. Wool and

(01:14:45):
wine are very similar as in like if you go
to a single source svinyard and grab a pinot, it'll
be beautiful. But if you go and then get that
same pinot, put some chardonnay, some salve and some Merla
pour it all together, you've got a glass of wine.
And that's not a lie. That is that is what
it is, but it's not very nice. And that's the

(01:15:07):
same with what's been happening with the wool industry. There's
a lot of blending that goes on. But if we
give the respect that wool needs and deserves and make
great products, then you know, no one will complain about
the product, and then price becomes irrelevant because you know
it's going to last for a long time. And all
we're already doing is a brand is one thing. Our

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consumers to have the best experience they can when they
put it one of our jumpers on, you know, and
sweaters and stuff, and having that provenance back to the
actual farm that that wall came from is kind of
what's our consumer base. And we're not that big, but
it's just that real providence. At least we can say

(01:15:50):
that we do. You know, qualities of us is everything,
and that quality is not just a finished garment. It's
the way the wall was harvested. It was the way
the wall's processed. And once you put all that into
one package, then you get longevity. And like I said,
the Vulte been going in eighteen fifty three. Yes, it's
had its ups and downs, and it's funny it's on

(01:16:12):
its third owner now, I think out of all that time,
you know, and that's because they got it right right
at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
And yeah, thank you so much, Craig. Are you good
on your mate? We've just got got an ad coming
at us fast. But thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
That was brilliant right back, Yeah, fantastic. It is seven
to three back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Always read the issues that affect you and a bit
of fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
B News Talks there B it is four to three.
A couple of teachs coming through on old All Birds
on nineteen nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Hi, guys, I think it's a bit rough to say
All Birds failed. If you look at what that was achieved,
it's actually pretty epic, even if it hyped and then
fell to a quite a level of trade. What I
think happened is it became hyped by up by finance
guys since the BS evaluation. Realistically, though, how many New
Zealand and power brands have ever sold for around sixty
eight million? I actually think we should view this as

(01:17:11):
a New Zealand success story. However, where were they paying
tax out of interest. Yeah, was it in a New
Zealand band or just a New Zealand founder? Did we
actually offer New Zealand any real value? But it is.
I mean it's a good point and I think for
Tim Brown who started it, he definitely did well. Yeah,
from coming up with the idea in twenty fourteen in
the flat.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
He certainly earned more than he did as a Phoenix player,
So that's got to be good. We're going to carry
this on for a little while after three o'clock, taking
your calls.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Get in Yeah, pays to get in early. Get in there,
Get in there now, just quickly before we get back
to our discussion about all Birds and what went wrong
with that particular company. Are you a fan of the
movie Old School?

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
It's one of my favorite movies of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I'm glad you said that. It's one of my favorites
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
I love that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Vince Vaughn, Will Farrell, Luke Wilson. If you haven't seen,
it's about a bunch of guys in their thirties they
attempt to recapture their glory days by opening a fraternity
near their old university. It is hilarious, It is so good,
but it is twenty three years old. This much Wow.
It was released in April two thousand and three in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
They were old school, those guys twenty three years ago.
So what are they now? I mean Will Ferrell's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah, it's still funny.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
No, I want to say he's drive, he.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Lost it, He's lost a spark.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Watson and Holmes, did you see that Holmes and Watson.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Oh yeah, that was a bit of a dud.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
That was terrible actually, as recent movies have not been good.
But he's done so much great stuff. You can't you can't.
You can't have some tailor.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
He's got a good catalogue.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Good night. Yeah, the other guys our old school fantastic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
But when I heard that it was twenty three years
old as of this month, And I've been thinking a
lot about one of my favorite scenes in that movie.
And here is that scene.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Oh, it's actually pretty nice. On Saturday, we're gonna go
to Hoole Depaut.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Yeah, Mas wall paper, maybe gets some flooring stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Maybe bad bout in the eye.

Speaker 6 (01:19:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
I don't know if we'll have enough time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
So if you haven't seen that, his name's Frank the Tank,
that's the character name. They go to this party and
they're asking him to chug a beer and he says,
like most people in that age back and I've got
I can't do it. I've got things to do on Saturday.
And when I watched that, I said, I am never
gonna be that Frank the Tank. I'm always going to
be running naked through the quad, I'm always going to
be taking that beer bomb. But I've quickly realized watching

(01:20:09):
that scene again, that's exactly what I am. I am
now fizzing up to go to Bunnings.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
So he would have been thirty five.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah, thirty five, Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Thirty five, and at that point he'd given up on partying.
He was trying to give up party, just got married
in the movie, and she goes before he goes out,
you know, we don't want to see Frank the Tank again.
We don't want to see Frank the Tank again. He's
telling these young guys at this party, you know, I'm
you know this what I'm doing. I'm going to home Depot.
But of course, you know what happened in the movie.

(01:20:38):
He then turns into Frank the Tank and we're going
streaking great Squad and then his new wife they're driving around,
they see this nude guy running along and then she
realized it's her husband and he's going streaking but he's
on the zone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Right ends up in divorce for Frank the Tank.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
So which one are you? Are you Frank the Tank
or are you Frank going to home depot, going to
bid Bath.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
And beyond Sadley on the on the letter, you're getting
fizzed up, fizzed up. They go to Bunnings on Saturday,
fizzed up. We're going to do some shopping around some
other home depot stores because we've got a bit to
buy for the house. I just thought, you know what,
I watched that scene. I thought it was very funny,
but there's no truth in it. But turned out all
along there was a lot of truth in that scene.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
So you have a lot of people you were How
long were you frank the tank for? How often were
you get streaking through the quad?

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
I only did that about three or four times, so
I think those days probably ended about five years ago.
It's still in there. There's still that spar you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Are you happier as the person that goes to Bunnings
in the weekend and has your whole weekend planned out
for those kind of little Admond chores? Were you happier
when you were streaking through the quad?

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
You know what, I think I'm happier now just waking
up getting fizzed up to go to Bunnings. It's a
good life.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
That's life where you, isn't It certainly is what you
think will make you happy at one time in your
life is very different as you get older.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Yeah, but there we go old school twenty three years
old to old school is old school certainly is right
back to our discussion about All Birds. So if you
haven't read the news, sadly, All Birds is almost no more.
At one point it was valued at seven billion dollars.
Now it's going to be sold for sixty eight million dollars.
It's founded Tim Brown. We'll do okay out of it,
but it appears the company is going to wind down

(01:22:14):
All Birds as we know it. So if you've been
an All Birds fan, O eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
The shoe was not robust and it never evolved, says
this textter. The boys chase the wrong investors who couldn't
give them the guidance they needed. I am the co
founder of ord Topia at Topia dot com. Yeah, that
would be it out Topia isay dot com. Yeap can
look that up for me, toys will Yeah. Also was
the head of raw materials at Lululemon. I'm a big

(01:22:41):
fan of Lululemon. Running shorts fantastic with the little slider
for your phone. The wall was wrong choice and the
move to athlete f f leisure huge mistake. I'm about
to write a white paper on the demise. Well, I'd
love to read that texture.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Yeah, sounds like you're in the no I've just tried
to look up. Oh yeah, here it is our Topia
spring summer two, two thy and twenty six. So what
do you do here? Oh yeah, they kind of do
the Lululemon style situation. They got woman and sole run
short tights, unisex world hat, running caps. It's kind of
like a athletic start.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
So the guidance they needed, Yeah, that the wrong of
vestas can be a big thing, right, because when you
get a bunch of money coming in, you need a
bunch of advice to move into a being a different
type of company. Yeah, you know, boutique to seven billion
dollar global company.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
It's a lot that can go wrong at their points. Yeah,
I keep those tacks coming through a nine two niney two.
But taking your calls, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
it is twelve bars three. Used talks, it'd be quarter
bar three. We're talking about the demise of all birds.
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call
get a mark.

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
Today, guys, there's one name that comes to mind. Look,
I think all birds did exceptionally well, but there's one
name that comes to mind, and that's l A Gear.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Ol A Gear.

Speaker 7 (01:24:00):
L A La Gear were the third athletic shoe behind
Nike and Reebok and the beginning of the nineteen nineties
in the USA.

Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
They were humongous. They came from nowhere. The date they
sort of went public in eighty six. By ninety three
ninety four.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
It was over right, it was over what.

Speaker 6 (01:24:24):
Happened they had well, they.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Just fell out of favor, Yeah right.

Speaker 19 (01:24:29):
They just it was. It was a lifestyle brand, Yeah,
and a sort of you get lost in the milians.
But La Michael Jackson, Paula Abdall, Blinda Carlisle at the top.
This is late eighties, early nineties, huge artists Wayne Gretzky,
Joe Montanner were all La Gear endorsers. You wouldn't even

(01:24:53):
know today.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Yeah, I've Yeah, they still exist. LA Gear currentiships within
the see just exists. So I mean, if if we've
got a chance to come back, you know, you have
things like we were talking before about Birkenstocks, Birkenstocks used
to just be kind of a weird shoe, weird long socks.
Birkenstocks are in a situation, but then they just blow

(01:25:16):
up again.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
So la, Yeah, they could could make a return drink
and they could make a return well, who knows.

Speaker 6 (01:25:22):
Look, it's just a shell now. It's pars to be
when when you read through. But it's interesting to see
that the founder, Robert Greenberg, when he left l a
year he went and founded Sketches, Right, Sketches, How big
your sketches?

Speaker 9 (01:25:38):
He's just humongous.

Speaker 6 (01:25:40):
Yeah, and they are a huge lifestyle brand, but they
they primarily look started for comfort.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
It's part of the problem when you when you tie
yourself to the fashion at the time. Right, the Zeke guy,
so to speak, is you know, fashion is a pretty
cruel mistress to a lot of people. Kicks you out
of bed when the seasons changes, and if that's all
you've got. Like Nike, for example, Nike has been up
the top for for many, many decades, and they've been

(01:26:09):
very clever at how they've managed to do that, right,
is that they haven't just relied on being the latest
coolest thing. They've aligned themselves as sports stars obviously, which
is a good strategy. But constantly innovating.

Speaker 6 (01:26:21):
That's what you have to do, and you have to
have huge deep pockets to do that as well. Which
All Birds again in terms of when you look at
their capitalizations, they had one one product. They were one
trick pony and in terms of that that that sort
of shoe and we're like, okay, and it comes in
a bunch of colors. That's it just comes in a
bunch of colors. Whereas you know with so many other

(01:26:43):
ship shoe manufacturers. In terms of the athletics side, you
can have subsets of so many different things cars doneing
from basketball all the way through to running. So you've
got that sort of broader base to rely upon. But look,
I think fantastic the idea genesis come through launch. Take
it as far as you can take it. It was

(01:27:04):
institutionalized out you know, other investors can. No one's lost
his shirt here, right, this was no one went all in.
I'm going to pull everything I've got into All Birds
because if you're just an idiot, but no one's lost
issue completely.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
I always think about that, though, where does that money go?
Where's that well? Seven billion New Zealand gone gone, so
gone gone. But you know, people make these decisions to
invest a bunch of money in a company and they've
got it so wrong. I mean, to spend that much
money and get it that wrong to the point where
you go from well it was three points whatever it was.

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
American was a value though in terms of its you know,
actual liquid value. Look as we're seeing it, you know,
the skeleton's being sold for sixty million bucks. Yeah, so
the valuation was you know, in terms of the stop
making future forward, you know that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Yeah, about the IPO, the I p O and twenty
twenty one four point one billion American and that stop
that's that that shear prices collapsed ninety nine point five percent.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
I hope it got well over.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
I'm sorry, Dad, I'm sure. I'm sure he's yeah, has
only mistaken if he didn't put it, if he didn't
put a little bit away, and then he saw it
out his future at one point on the rise.

Speaker 6 (01:28:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, Look, you call it like a
virtual corporation. It came into bidding for a short period
of time, it made a heck of a lot of money,
and it justid won.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
If you told him back in twenty fourteen when were
sitting on the couch with his mate in the flat
and Wellington went, what do we make some sustainable shoes?
If they then said, how would you feel if it
was valued at one point at seven point something Billy
in New Zealand, and then in the end you sell
up for sixty eight million, He'd go, well, actually it's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Pretty good, but it's still at sixty eight Yeah, it's
still pretty good for the right the ride wouldn't thanks
to the cool mark.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
I tell you another great shoe company that that flew
high and then disappeared.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
But you know Lydia shows, Yes, very famous.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
The Lydiad Shoe Company made fantastic shoes, fantastic running shoes,
and they also ran the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Boat shoes as well. Yes, a bunch of incredible stuff.
I've actually I've.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Actually been reading about the Lydiad Shoe Company because my
partner's a Lydia right, So I got given the complete
history of Lydiad shoes and I'll be I'm reading it
on my Christmas table, on my kitchen table.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
It'll be a great read.

Speaker 10 (01:29:33):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
They were very incredible, story famous. So what what happened
to Lydia shoes. Why couldn't they Well, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
What happens was the warehouse happened soon and suddenly the
market was flooded with cheap shoes in New Zealand. It
was just really hard to manufacture shoes in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
It's a shame, real shame. Right. It is twenty one
pass three taking your calls of eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Will be back very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Twenty three past three. There's been a few ticks on
what the heck are bar of bullets?

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Bar of bullets? How dare you? You don't have a
bar of bullets?

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Never heard of bar of bullets?

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
You're still buy bar of bullets? Bar of bullets were
the he is a bar of bullets? Bar of bullets
were were very popular at one stage early nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
What kind of shoe in the nineties or running shoes?
I had a pair of bart of bullets at one point,
but see them there, they were conversed before converse, Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
That's a type of bar of bullet. That's not the standards.
All kinds of bar of bullets, Bar of bullet, what
a name the bar of bullets were?

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
I trust a bar bullet.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
I bought a pair of barter of bullets on Pontsbury
Road about fifteen years ago or ten years ago. So
you can still get them, Well you could ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Well we've seen a bart of bullet about fifteen times,
so hopefully that gives them a week booster.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Bart bullets still going. Have you heard of commandos?

Speaker 10 (01:30:56):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
I designed a pair of commandos with Commando about ten
years ago. Yeah, commandos that someone someone correctly if we're wrong,
but someone found the Commando factory in christ Church and
it was still operational, so they still had all the
ability to produce the Commando shoes. This is a different
thing for barter of bullets. And so someone a few

(01:31:18):
years ago just fired up the Commando factory instead of
making them again.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
So this is a key we brand Commando. Yeah is
this this Commando M shoes? I'm just having a look
at the story. Commando M sneakers are back.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
They're back.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
They're back. There you go, that's all it takes. And
look at these beautiful bar of bullets there you go.
Just don't know about the name Bart bullet shoe right,
bring back to the marta bullets get a Jeremy waiting
with the show.

Speaker 10 (01:31:45):
Hi, how you're doing?

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Yeah, very go. You're in the footwear business.

Speaker 10 (01:31:48):
Yeah yeah. In fact, I went to the Bart factory
many many years ago talking about Bart bullets. They were
made in Wellington, which is a little bit crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Yeah. So we had quite a few shoe manufactures because
as I said before, the Lydia shoes were being manufactured
in Auckland. You had Bart bullets, and Wellington you had
Commando's coming out christ Church. I guess the commardest part
of power of Rubber I might be making stuff up now.

Speaker 10 (01:32:15):
I'm not sure about that one. I can't answer that.
But the Barter family, who are from Europe, they founded
Barter and still in the in the footwear industry. And
there's there's actually still a factory that makes scum boots
in Wellington owned by the Barter family at Barter Place.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
I'm just having a look. They've got on board Amstadt.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
Yeah, good on them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I take that back what I said about the name.
It's a great name strong.

Speaker 8 (01:32:42):
Yes, yea.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
So tell us about your your shoes. Are you so
you make shoes or your you just work in the industry.

Speaker 10 (01:32:48):
Yes, so I've been in the industry. We formed a brand,
it's called Wai Wai Nation, and you know, we mainly
sell into the US market, So I've got quite a
lot of insight into that market and you know just
how competitive competitive it is and how difficult it is
a market. So you know, when we're talking about all Birds,

(01:33:10):
I just think all credit term for what he did.
You know, really went out there and credited this new, new, brand,
new product out of this material that had kind of
been done before, but not in that way. And so
you know it's been really interesting to sort of watch
that in the industry for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Yeah, and so I've just had a look at at
y Y Nation. So you guys are sustainably driven as well,
but you make your shoes from all sorts of stuff
kicked us. I'm having to look.

Speaker 10 (01:33:41):
At yeah, Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So we're just we're
not a one track pointy. We have different types of
materials that we've developed. So we're working with Marino, but
we also work with hemp. We've developed this incredible material
utilizing the cactus plant, so you know, evolved a lot

(01:34:02):
in that sort of non plastic space, trying to avoid
the use of plastics and look at really, you know, foothealth,
what's good to wear, what's comfortable, what performs on the
foot and wears really well. So really looking at what
customers want to get out of issues and trying to
prove that we can do it using you know, a
natural based material.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
And it's going well at the moment, Jerry, Yeah, you
know it is.

Speaker 10 (01:34:27):
It's doing really well. We've been in the US now
for just over two years and we're in you know retailers,
national retailers like Nordstrom and Shields and so you know,
it's yeah, doing very well. And it's a constantly evolving space,
you know, the footwear industry, just having all the comments,

(01:34:49):
it's constantly changing and evolving, and so you know, we're
always looking at what we're doing, how we can do
it better, what our customers are saying, to provide them
with a you know, really outstanding experience and a footwear Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Good on you, Jeremy. Would you be if your company
sold for sixty eight million?

Speaker 10 (01:35:12):
Well, you know, it's not to speculate that we're up
for sale or anything, but we're you know we're always
sort of seen or looked at from other brands who've
been looked at before, because what we're doing is quite
unique in the market over there. And yeah, I you know,

(01:35:33):
I think we've still got a lot, a lot to
do and a lot to achieve as a business, and
can see you know that there's still a lot of
opportunity for us. So yeah, we'll see what happens in
the future.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Yeah, all right, we'll best of luck out there and
get on you mate, go go hard and fight the
good fight.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Now, four hundred thousand people just texted.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
That's an exaggeration. There was a lot, though, a lot. Yeah,
at least twenty at least look up Pewtin and Bar
to Bullets.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
No, listen, marpets.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Putin was a It is alleged that Vladimir Putin worked
as a salesman for Bar of Bullets. Pewtin was a
saleman for Bart of Bullets. Bart of Bullets, Pewtin. Look
it up, Pewtin was a Bart of Bullets salesperson.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Okay, I take that back. I mean I thought this
was an April fool's joke and you're way past midday,
But turned out I think it was probably true.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
When former Wakado City Mayor Sir Bob Harvey was seventeen,
he joined the pro Soviet Socialist Unity Party, so it
was interested in another Russia. Oh okay, here we go.
When he was handed an envelope containing ten pages of
gallery proofs of a yet to be published book about
the future Russian president Vladimir Putin, who visited in the
ninety eighties and worked for barter.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Bullets, fascinating. Would he have been a good salesperson? I
suppose you better buy something or else something bad could
happen deep undercover working as a What did he learn
when he was here selling barter bullets?

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
This seems well, I'm going to look at Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Knows far more about us than maybe we thought.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
This Vladimir Putin working as a butter bullet salesman in
Wellington has derailed our whole chat about all birds.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Yeah, okay, we need to find out more on this. Yeah,
there'll be more to come on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
There's hundreds of people texting it through.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
That's why I love the show man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
I'll look into that. But let's just say, just to
finish up the all birds chat, if you were came
up with an idea, as Tim Brown did, Founder of
All Birds and On Your Couch in twenty fourteen, and
then twelve years later, after at one point being valued
at seven billion dollars, sold for sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Million dollars, you'd still go on there ride? When you
how can you really?

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
Can you really call it a failure as a ride?
I mean it could have gone forever, it could have
been a Nike yep. But he flew very high, and
I'm sure he's managed to scrawl a little bit away.
So in the end, Tim Brown, you know, good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Yeah, great key, We well done, good discussion, Thank you
very much. Coming up after the headlines, Gareth Abdnor is
in studio employment, workplace and information expert. He's brilliant. So
if you've got a question or a query, something going
on in your workplace, or you've got a problem as
the boss, he is the man to chat to. It
is completely free advice and he's not here that often,
so get in oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty

(01:38:27):
is that number nine two text?

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
If you're working in a shoe store and you suspect
that one of your co salesmen is a Russian dictator,
would love to hear from you as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Absolutely come on through headlines with Wendy coming.

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Mattin Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Thank you very much, Wendy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
We've just said Tim Rocksbury in the studio regaling us
with the story of the Vladimir Putin butter bullet salesman.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
He's gone deep into it. Two legit.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Well, yeah, there's definitely a lot of people that think
that they may have bought shoes off leading me at Putin.

Speaker 10 (01:40:15):
That's a person.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Look how far he's come. Now what a story Putin? Yeah,
Putin fluta mayor Putin salesman, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
Dictator and annex of the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
We live in a simulation. It's got to be right.
It is now time once again to have a chat
with Gareth abden Or. He is an employment, Workplace and
Information expert, Director of abden Or Employment Law. He's with
us once a month and he is back with us
this afternoon. Get a Gareth. Good a guys, how you
doing very well? Nice to have your back mate. So,

(01:40:50):
just before we get into our audience, questions and phone
calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty At the moment,
I imagine you're getting quite a few questions regarding the
fuel prices and can I work from home? And what
do I need to do? What are you telling those people?

Speaker 11 (01:41:05):
That's a very good question. It's a tricky one, and
it's almost like flashbacks to COVID, isn't it. Yeah. I
think the biggest question I'm or the question I'm being
asked most often, is what happens when my staff gets

(01:41:26):
stuck overseas. And there's a lot of people out there
that just assume that if they get stuck overseas that
they can work off their laptop. And for some people
that might be feasible, but for a lot of people
that's not going to work. So I think that's something
that's on a lot of employers' minds.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
There'll be a lot of people that are trying to
work from home under the cover of this, looking to
situations so they can return to their slack ways working
at home in their pjs.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
So follow balance, isn't it for an employer? And I
imagine that who's coming to you, Gareth to say, getting
all these requests from my employees and they don't really
need to work from home, so there must be Is
there a legislation there that they can come back to
or rules to say, well, look, I know you want
to work from home, but we're not at that point
now and you've just got to suck it up and
come in.

Speaker 11 (01:42:19):
Yeah, for sure, there's some provisions that any worker can
request flexible work arrangements, which would include potentially working from home,
and an employer has to consider those requests, but then
it sets out certain factors that they can refuse the

(01:42:39):
request for. And you know, for a lot of businesses,
it doesn't make sense to people for people to work
from home. You know, it's great not having someone looking
over your shoulder and you can work in your pjs
and all of that sort of stuff, but does it
actually work for the business or the organization.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
As my boss when I was working in London on
July seventh, two thousand and five, during the terrorist attacks,
my boss from Birmingham said, I rang up and he
said get into work. You're coward.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
It was a tough man, wasn't he He was sounds really sensitive. Yeah,
good operator, good operator.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
But one of the tubes exploded. Get in your coward.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
That's how you run a business. Yeah. Right, And just.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
Before we got into other questions, what should you do
if you suspect your co worker as a KGB agent?

Speaker 11 (01:43:27):
Well, you know, I'm surprised you guys were talking about
potent selling shoes, but no one mentioned L Bundy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:43:33):
How can you talk about selling shoes and not talk
about L Bundy?

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Yeah, good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a yeah. Yeah,
we'll do better. Gareth will do better. Right, he is
standing by taking your calls. O. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and nine to ninety two is the text.
Get a Kim. Hi, he you doing very good? Gareth
is standing by.

Speaker 23 (01:43:53):
Yeah, great, Hi Gareth. I'm in the pro Yeah, I'm
in the process at the moment of being maybe made redundant.
Now in my contract, there's no notice period of how
much notice they have to give me. Yes, if I leave,
I have to give four weeks notice. Would that be
the same for them for the redundancy.

Speaker 11 (01:44:15):
Yeah, Kim, It's pretty unusual for their only to be
a notice period for one of the parties to the agreement.
If there's no notice period specified, if you're made redundant,
then the law says that you need to be provided
reasonable notice, and I think you've got a really strong

(01:44:36):
argument that that would be the period that's put in
there for you if you resign. So that's where i'd
be starting.

Speaker 23 (01:44:46):
So it would be four weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 11 (01:44:50):
But you can always ask for more and then they
have to justify it because they have to give you
reasonable notice. It does sound like the employment agreement is
perhaps not as good as it should be.

Speaker 23 (01:45:03):
Yeah, because I did approach it with it and they
said no, that it wouldn't be four weeks, probably about
two weeks, and they sort of said, oh, it's something
to do with government legislation or something.

Speaker 11 (01:45:15):
Yeah, sounds a bit fishy. I'd push back on that.

Speaker 23 (01:45:19):
Right, Okay, it's good to know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Yeah, good luck, Yeah, good luckim. Thank you very much
for your phone call. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call if you've got a
question for Gareth? Now is your opportunity some texts coming
through on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Kay, guys, quick question. Am I considered a full time
employee if I am a contractor to a company, but
in the contract I'm not allowed to work for any
other company or any other work. Doesn't seem right, but
they say that's how they do business. Thanks for your info. PS,
butter bullets are great skates shoes. Okay, so we'll go
with the first question.

Speaker 11 (01:45:54):
Coming on the skates shoe aspect of it. But no,
you're not a full time employee. If you're a contractor.
If you're a contractor, you're a contractor. I guess the
real question is are you actually a contractor? Now there
is new legislation out which has a test that you
can look at, but this is a bit of a

(01:46:17):
vexed question and it's gone through the courts time and
time again. If you are prevented from working for competitors
and you can't do any other work, I think you
should be asking more questions because you might actually be
an employee. But it's not a straightforward one. The real

(01:46:39):
question is are you in business on your own account?
And if you're charging GST and claiming deductions and stuff
like that, and then you argue you're an employee, you
may actually need to pay some money back. So not
straightforward something that I would definitely be getting proper advice on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Yeah, very interesting. I keep those things coming through on
nine two ninety two and your call is as well.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back very shortly.

Speaker 10 (01:47:07):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
A fresh take on took back Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons with Skoda place Scoter codes every day at
scoder dot co dot NZA. Have your say on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty news dogs B.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
It is fourteen to form. We're joined by Gareth Abdenor,
an employment, workplace and information expert and director of Abdenor
Employment Law, taking your questions and anything going on in
your workplace.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Eleanor Eleanor Abdnor.

Speaker 12 (01:47:35):
Hello, I'm calling on behalf of somebody else.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:47:41):
This person has finished their job with a company or NGO.
They've noticed that there's a discrepancy in their pay and
they've bought it up with their boss and said to
the boss this my holiday pay is not correct. The
boss said, I'll look into it. This was in December
last year. Now fast forward. He still hasn't heard back
from her, so he went to an accountant. The accountant

(01:48:04):
looked at the numbers and said, yes, it's about two
thousand dollars Owing to you. The accountant emailed the boss.
The boss emailed back and he said, no, it's incorrect.
You need to pay my clients this much money. And
it's been three months now and he still hasn't been
paid out.

Speaker 6 (01:48:21):
What is the next step.

Speaker 11 (01:48:25):
I suggest that your friend Lodge's acclaim with the Employment
Relations Authority for I'm paid wages. That tends to get
a response quite quickly from the other side. Sounds like
they've tried to do it the nice way and it
hasn't been a priority lodge a claim. I think the

(01:48:47):
filing fees about seventy two dollars. Sounds like it's well
worth going to that expense to actually actually get a response.

Speaker 12 (01:48:59):
And what if there's been multiple other people experienced this
as well, because it's not just.

Speaker 11 (01:49:06):
Your friend, could potentially contact the Labor Inspectorate and a
labor inspector might get involved if it's affecting more than
one person. It can be a bit difficult to predict
whether they are prepared to take it on or not,
but that's worth a try.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
All the very best, Eleanor, thank you very much for
giving us a call. Prisana, how are you?

Speaker 23 (01:49:30):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:49:30):
Hi good?

Speaker 8 (01:49:31):
Thank you?

Speaker 10 (01:49:33):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (01:49:34):
Like we are eight of you employers, and we have
hired a couple of employees and one of the aid
of the employees contracts is he should be given at
least thirty hours a week. And he has worked with

(01:49:54):
he's with us like more than one hundred weeks now
almost like two years, and some of the weeks he
has worked less than thirty hours. That's what he so
recently when we looked into his profile. So the immigration
has also picked up on that. But on an average
he has worked thirty four or more than thirty four

(01:50:16):
hours for a week or a two year speriod. So
are we actually in breach a contract?

Speaker 11 (01:50:23):
Yeah, it really depends on what exactly is in the contract.
If it sees an employee will be given at least
thirty hours a week and they haven't been given that,
then you might owe them money. But you have to
look at exactly what the clause sees. It may be

(01:50:44):
that an average is fine, but certainly not something that
I can comment on without actually seeing the documents. It
does sometimes happen that people take the approach that well,
it averages out and that's fear. But if that's not
what the contract is, well, then the employee might have

(01:51:06):
a claim to wages. I suggest that you carefully look
at the contract and then if necessary, get some advice.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
Or the very best persona. Thank you very much for
your question, Cindy. Gareth is standing by.

Speaker 17 (01:51:22):
Hello.

Speaker 24 (01:51:23):
I just wanted to know if I'm doing the right
thing at that end the day. So I normally have
two staff members that work on the Saturday. We were
going to close for the whole day on the Saturday
for ends that day. They also normally work on the Monday,
so they would just go to work and be paid
as normal on the Monday.

Speaker 11 (01:51:45):
Gosh, I'm not sure I follow there. If the if
ANZAC day is a day that they normally work and
you're closing, well then you need to pay them. I
don't know about the Monday. What I always say to
people with public holidays is you really need to sit
down and plot it out. And the best place to
look is the employment dot g dot z website. That's

(01:52:12):
really useful because it actually sets out examples, and so
I suggest to have a look at that, and I'm
pretty sure that we'll have the answer for you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
Very good, Cindy. All the very best with that one.
They stuck in a bit of a holiday pay one
there for you Gareth exactly. Hey, always fantastic to have
you on. Thank you very much again. Go well down
then we'll catch up in about a month's time.

Speaker 11 (01:52:37):
Thanks guys. Have a good Easter.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Yeah you too. That is Gareth Abdenor Employment Workplace, an
information expert and director of Abdenor Employment Law. He is brilliant.
If you want to get a hold of him, just
go to his website Abdoenorlaw dot in Z. And I've
got to read this out. The content of this segment
is general in nature and is not legal advice. Any
information discussed is not intended to be a substitute for
obtaining specific professional advice, and shouldn't be relied upon as such.

(01:53:02):
Beg fory shortly. It is eight to.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Four, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
used Talks B.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
News Talks B. It is six to four and all
the people who text through and we didn't get to
your question. Next time Gareth is in, we will get
we will put that to him. But we did say
you've got to get in early. It's very popular. People
wait till the last minute.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
Never do that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
It's hugely popular. It is personally, I'm completely and utterly
down a rabbit hole on Vladimir Putin. I can see
you googling there I working at a barter of bullets
in Wellington.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
It's a sleeper spy. Yeah ah, but that brings us
to the end of the show. Thank you so much
for listening. The Great and Powerful hitherto to see Ellen
is up next, and she's talking to Karen McNulty, the
labor MP whose new bill means you might be able
to get a beer at the pub this Easter without
any strings attached. But right now, Tyler, why am I

(01:54:00):
playing this tune.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Called Pumped Up Cats? Great song? I don't actually know
who sings it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Foster the People.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
Foster the People surely is because we had a great
chat about barter bullets, Nomad's crops in general.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Because all birds were cats that got pumped up to
a seven billion dollar evaluation.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
Very good.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
They were pumped up cats. Although to be fair, this
song is actually about a school shooting. Okay, yeah, okay,
all right then, as.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
I said, thank you so much for listening.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
You've seen busy. We'll let you go. We'll be back
again live tomorrow from lunchtime. Until then, give me a
taste of Kiwi from us why Don't Chat?

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Love You?

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Great song.

Speaker 18 (01:55:09):
Guess with them Getting round

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
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