Full Show Podcast: 01 September 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into today's show. Great
to have you company and hoping you're having a great
day as well.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Matt Heath, how are you doing?

Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'm doing very, very well. Thank you, Tyler Adams. I'm
at 180-1080. If you want to give us a ring,
we'd love to talk to you about several topics over
the next three hours.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yep, doozy of a show for you.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
There's something that surprised me that I just noticed right now,
Matt Heath.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Father's Day is on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
That always comes around so fast. Sometimes I get dangerously
close before I figure out it is Father's Day popping up.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
But thank God I've got a weekend. So Father's Day Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Is that because fathers don't really care?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
About Father's Day?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
And does that mean the rest, everybody else doesn't care
because the fathers don't care?

Speaker 4 (01:13):
My mate said to me, what you want on Father's
Day is not to be a father for a day.
So just... I'll let you go to the pub and
watch sport all day.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Just be left alone. It sounds like the perfect day.
Just for one day, just leave me alone. I'll be great.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
I mean, there's a bit of sort of back and
forth with Father's Day and Mother's Day, isn't there?

Speaker 6 (01:34):
There is.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I think we all know.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
You've got to go hard on Mother's Day.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, Mother's Day is the big one. It's right up
there with Christmas. You cannot forget that, and you've got
to go all out. Father's Day, take it or leave it.
Take it or leave it. If you don't want to
do anything, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Give Dad a ring.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, get on the blower.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Even then he'll probably say something like, you seem busy,
I'll let you go quite quickly.

Speaker 6 (01:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
All right, I'll let you go, Matt. Good to catch up. Okay,
okay then.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Okay, son. All right then, thanks for ringing. All right,
but we've just got on fire.

Speaker 6 (02:03):
Okay, son.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
All right, see you soon.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
Love you, Dad.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Anyway, that's a wee PSA for you if you have
forgot Father's Day is coming up on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right, let's get into this. This is going to be
a great discussion.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
So the airline behind the incredible flyover before the all-black
Springboks test in Cape Town has handed over flight data
from both aircraft to South African aviation officials for an
independent review.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's really scaled up this.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
This is as the online backlash over the pregame spectacle continues.
Airlink says the jets, which were traveling at around 278
kilometers an hour and appeared to pass within about 15
meters of the stadium roof, were flown by highly experienced
crews and stayed within the altitude and speed limits approved
by aviation authorities.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Let's have a listen.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, that's pretty good. I mean, just that.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
The timing was weird. They sort of had to hold
off kickoff waiting for it to happen. because the national
anthems and the haka had gone down, and there was
just that delay waiting for them to come to buzz
the stadium.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Hell of a build-up of tension.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
But that hasn't, of course, stopped aviation experts questioning whether
the safety margin was simply too small, given how close
the aircraft appeared to be to the stadium. But have
a listen to former airline pilot and safety consultant Doug Moss.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
He was on with Heather last night on this very topic.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
It looks dangerous, but not necessarily is. I'm sure the
pilots had... You could easily avoid hitting anything. What fascinates
me is supposedly that those altitudes, that altitude was approved
by the airline and the aviation authorities. Supposedly they were

(03:51):
right on the plan and did exactly.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
What they were allowed to do.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
It looks like they were about 15 meters or 50
feet away from the top of the structure. And less
than 200 feet above the actual people in the stands.
And that normally is much closer than allowed. Any professional

(04:16):
pilot can fly that. They have strict altitude parameters that
they were trying to fly. And it's not a difficult maneuver,
what they did. Most professional pilots can easily do that.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
I mean, you'd hope they could. You'd hope that they
could be accurate to within 46 feet.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, four stories.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
At 278K. I mean, that's, I don't know. I wouldn't
want to go on an airline that couldn't back itself
to be accurate to 46 feet.

Speaker 8 (04:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
But that is coasting.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
When they drop that down to 278k, and yes, that's
very fast in a car, but in an airline, in
an aircraft rather, that is dropping the speed back dramatically.
But as Doug Moss said, and he's had a lot
of experience, he, a former airline pilot in the US,
said that any airline pilot could easily do what those
airline pilots did if they've been trained properly.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
So why is everyone freaking out about it days later?
It's It's Tuesday, I believe.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
It is.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
It's Tuesday. And so there's still stories. There's still people
umming and ahhing and tutting. I saw it live, and
I just thought, awesome. And it immediately went viral. Everyone
was talking about it. And that's what a stadium buzz
and a flyby is all about, right?

Speaker 9 (05:36):
Spectacle.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
But instead of celebrating the perfect execution and celebrating the
pilots involved... for their preparation and planning, instead of admiring
their skill and organisation, immediately people start looking to get
them in trouble. Can we get them in trouble for this?
That looked pretty awesome. I wonder who's to blame, you know? Yeah,

(05:57):
people are still angry about it. And it just makes
me wonder if people are so safety-obsessed now that if
they see something, they want to shut it down.

Speaker 10 (06:09):
Mm.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Their first reaction to exciting things is to shut them down,
blame everyone involved, start tut-tutting and throwing what-ifs everywhere.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
What do you reckon? 0800 80 1080. Do you agree
with Matt Heath? Are we too quick to freak out
when we... Think something is too unsafe at the expense
of entertainment and actually cool things happening around the world.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
What do you say?

Speaker 11 (06:32):
Oh, 800.

Speaker 12 (06:32):
80, 1080.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Or are you on the flip side? Do you actually
think it was too close? If you are a pilot listening,
love to hear from you.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
This person says it was sick considering 9-11.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh, come on.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
9-11 was a quarter of a century ago.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, come on.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
There's been a couple of people that texted it looked
too much like 9-11. What are you talking about?

Speaker 13 (06:50):
No.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
You know, Hogan's Heroes was on the TV pretty close
to World War II.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Keep those texts coming through on 9292. It is 13
past one.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
The big stories. The big issues. The big trends. And
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Speaker 14 (07:09):
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Speaker 2 (07:10):
16 past one, so more than 48 hours after the
spectacular flyover ahead of the South Africa All Blacks game, the.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Online outrage continues.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Now it's forced them to hand over the black boxes
to the safety authorities for an independent review.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
So what do you say about this?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Is this, you know, are we too quick to jump
on the bandwagon and freak out and shut things down
when we think there's an element of safety that's gone awry?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Or do you sit on the opposite side of the fence?

Speaker 4 (07:37):
As Bradley here says, guys, it's nothing to do with safety.
People just love self-policing. Everyone wants to be a Karen.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Is that true? 9292 is the text.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Grant, welcome to the show. How are you today?

Speaker 6 (07:50):
Very well and yourself?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Very good. Now, I'm judging by your accent. You've got
a bit of skin in the game on this one.

Speaker 15 (07:57):
Yeah, don't be misguided. I'm a New Zealand citizen and
I support the All Blacks, even though I come from
that country, which shall not be named. I'm a New
Zealand citizen At the end of the day, why can't
we just celebrate the fact that they've taken the initiative,

(08:18):
each plane representing each team. There was nobody harmed. There
was no fear of danger. They did the same thing
in 1995 with the World Cup where there was a
bigger plane flying.

Speaker 10 (08:32):
Over the stadium.

Speaker 15 (08:34):
We're making so much for Raw out of nothing. There
are bigger issues to be dealt with than worrying about
something that is a celebration. I think it is awesome
that they've taken the initiative to do something different. And
not that I'm all for it. South Africa, but I mean,

(08:57):
it's something nobody else has ever done, and because nobody
else has ever done it, well, let's go for it
and give them a hiding, and that's just the way
it comes across. You know, instead of, wow, that is
something awesome, that is different, you know?

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, well, people are forgetting that it's an homage to that, yeah,
as you say, that was a 747 that flew over
Alice Park in 19... 1995 for the Rugby World Cup final.
So it's a thing, right? It's a thing. It's a thing.
It was really a way to honour the great rivalry

(09:36):
between the All Blacks and South Africa. There's a way
that you could look at it that's extremely positive, Grant.

Speaker 15 (09:45):
That's exactly what I'm saying. So let's move on. Okay,
let's have a look at the game.

Speaker 10 (09:51):
Let's focus on Who played what.

Speaker 15 (09:54):
And who did what? Leave the other stuff alone. It's
noise in the background and it's taking up other valuable
issues that we could actually be focusing on.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Shouldn't the South African Civil Aviation Authority... tell the international
community to get stuff? They were the ones that signed
this off in the first place, Grant, and now they're
asking for the black boxes to do an independent review,
arguably because of this pressure that they're seeing online. I mean,
shouldn't they just say, stuff off? We're the authority in
South Africa.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
We made the rules.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Screw you.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
You know, what we did was okay, and it was
a success.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Everybody loves it.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
See you later. I agree with you 100%.

Speaker 15 (10:32):
And, you know, everybody is quick to jump on the
bandwagon and say, oh, this is a problem.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Oh, this is a problem.

Speaker 15 (10:42):
But they would have done their due diligence right from
the get-go. They would have made sure it ticks all
the boxes before even the plane takes off. And, you know,
all that it has done is it's created all this
hype online and it's created an unnecessary investigation in which

(11:02):
people's time and money is going to be wasted investigating
this whole thing. And it's going to come to the
same result. It was fine. There was no issue at hand.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
How would you feel, Grant, because this talk that they
were going to do a flyby over the stadium? for
the final, for the next game. How would you feel
if they cancelled that because of this uproar?

Speaker 15 (11:31):
It'll be petty because then they are entitling the public,
in other words, those.
Here's doomsday prophets and everybody and entitling them. The next
minute it's going to say, oh, no, it's too dangerous.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
To get in an Uber.

Speaker 10 (11:51):
There goes another business.

Speaker 17 (11:53):
Or it's too dangerous.

Speaker 14 (11:54):
To do this.

Speaker 18 (11:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Well, I mean, the South African Civil Aviation Authority and
Air Traffic Navigation Services, they said it was okay.

Speaker 19 (12:03):
So.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Does the rest of the world get to decide what
South Africa's Civil Aviation Authority thinks is okay? That's the
other thing. So do they get overruled by the court
of public opinion when it comes to the next flyby?

Speaker 18 (12:20):
Well, that's exactly it.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Where do we draw the line?

Speaker 15 (12:23):
So in other words, you can have all the qualifications
and everything, and you say, no, it's fine, that some
couch potato says, just all of a sudden gets the
zig and says no, that's not fine and we must
now believe this couch potato with no qualifications.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Absolutely. Well that is the whole world at the moment
and so a bunch of people immediately look at it
and go tut tut tut, fire their opinion off and
then there's a hundred stories where they ring around until
they find some expert that'll say it was a bad
thing and this negative story rises. Thank you so much
for your call Grant and yeah, I Do you agree

(13:02):
with Grant, though?

Speaker 14 (13:04):
0800 80 1080.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
You might push back on that, but, you know, the
more I think about this, any one of those spectators
within the stadium, do you think they're coming out and saying, whoa, whoa, whoa,
it was too much, that was out of control?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
I don't think one of them inside that stadium would do.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
But the amount of people that never got tickets, were
never going to go to the game, probably don't even
like rugby.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
The ones saying, no, it's too unsafe. You were never
going to go in the first place.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
So, you know, is it just a whole bunch of
people getting involved where they shouldn't get involved?

Speaker 14 (13:31):
Oh, was it too dangerous?

Speaker 4 (13:33):
And would we be, what's the word? Will we be
shamed in the future when something goes wrong?

Speaker 13 (13:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
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26 past 1.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's on the back of the South African flyover for
the All Blacks South African game. Are we too quick
to put safety ahead of spectacle? 0800 80 1080 is
the number to call.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Brian, welcome to the show. Your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (15:35):
Yeah, how are you?

Speaker 14 (15:36):
Good, mate, good.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
Yeah, good. Yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 14 (15:41):
A moronic move.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Why's that?

Speaker 16 (15:45):
I basically just say that because most airports around the
world have a safety factor, you know, when they come
down to the land. or they'd take off normally on
the coast side. So I would say that if most
airports had their flying over houses at the same height
as what those guys did, then maybe there's a fair

(16:06):
enough call. But if something had happened, it wouldn't have
just been a couple of houses. It would have been
a big toll, I reckon.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
So it was 46 feet above the stadium, so that's essentially...
a four-storey building. So if you think about how tall
a four-storey building is, that's quite high.

Speaker 21 (16:29):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 16 (16:30):
Yeah, just, you know, just the error margin, you know,
something had gone wrong. You know, I mean, you could
say that in anything. I'm not adverse to taking risks.
I take them myself. Some of them probably not very calculated. But, yeah,
I just think probably a little bit low for me.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
They had three senior captains, a commander, a co-pilot, and
a safety technical officer on each plane, and they rehearsed it.
And they got permission from.

Speaker 16 (17:01):
Yeah, well, once they've got permission, it wouldn't matter whether
they had three captains or ten captains, right? You've still got,
you know, if something goes wrong, something goes wrong.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Well, we had that pilot on before that. What was
his name?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Doug Moss. Doug Moss. Yeah, former pilot and safety consultant.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
And he was saying that flying at that speed, at
that height over the stadium, was well within the skill
range of any single pilot in the world.

Speaker 13 (17:26):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (17:27):
Oh, well, fair enough.

Speaker 16 (17:28):
But, you know, it's become a talking point, hence it
being a talking point on your show.

Speaker 10 (17:31):
So that's my thought.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Thank you for your thoughts, Brian. We really appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Thanks, mate.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
He reckons it's too late.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
And a lot of people agree with that. I mean, look,
not just judging online, but on text as well. A
lot of people were saying that it was terrifying. I mean,
this text, I just lost it.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Matt and Tyler, horrible, horrible, horrible. That flyover scared me
so much. It had me fretting with much fear while
remembering some other incidents when it comes to entertainment. It
was too close and would have been terrifying for those
people there.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Wow. So someone saw that and they were terrified. They
saw it on the TV and they were scared. I mean,
you've got to remember, if you're watching a sporting fixture
on the TV, things can look very strange.

Speaker 11 (18:13):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Things look much closer or further away or whatever, depending
on how much the The camera's zoomed in, and you're
looking up in the stadium. The plane looks a lot
closer than it actually is. So it was, after correcting
the traffic data, tracking data for the local atmospheric pressure,
it was 210 feet above sea level. DHL Stadium's roof

(18:36):
is 164 feet above sea level, producing a 46-foot estimated clearance.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
But if you're looking up with a camera at a
46-foot clearance, which is four storeys above a stadium... that
might look like it's just about to touch the stadium. Yeah,
it got me.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Generally, when I saw that angle and it looked like
only a couple of metres off the stadium, but then
I looked more into it, and as you say, four storeys,
that's a hell of a lot more than a couple
of metres.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Guys, people are forgetting that the plane flew over the
stadium as there were pyrotechnic fireworks displays shooting at it simultaneously. Yeah,
but that was all worked out. You know, that was
all worked out such that they weren't ever in any
danger of going into the.
The GF34 10E turbofan engines.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, but they've clawed onto that aspect as well, haven't they?
Keep your texts coming through 9292. And do you agree
with Brian? Do you think it was too low? Do
you think it was too dangerous?

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Tell us your thoughts. 0800 80 1080 is that number.
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Speaker 3 (20:57):
Thank you very much, Raylene.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
It is 26 to 1, and we're talking about the
South African flyover that is kicking off a lot of
outrage online and elsewhere all around the world. I mean,
America here, of course, Australia. Within South Africa, I think
they're pretty chuffed on how it all went.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, I mean... It's a flyover. As a few South
Africans are texting, you have your haka, we have the flyover.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
And there was a spectacular flyover, as we were talking
to Brian before, in 1995, 747, buzzed the stadium. So,
not the same stadium, but maybe it's a tradition.

Speaker 11 (21:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
It's a good history there.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
People trying to, you know, run down other people's traditions.

Speaker 11 (21:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
It's certainly got a lot of history there.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
I mean, that's a 747, and that was pretty spectacular,
wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, pretty impressive. So what do you say? Are we
too quick to put safety ahead of spectacle?

Speaker 4 (21:55):
This text says, so we can't win a rugby match,
so we've got to find something else to whinge about.
Razzy was right. We're a bunch of moaners.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Might be something to that.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
It'd be interesting to know whether the moaning is much
more heightened in New Zealand, where we don't want to
face what actually happened on the park.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, I think so. We've got to find anything else
to talk about.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
This Texas is irresponsible. People need to be charged. Too low.
Also bad taste. So near the date of the Twin
Towers 25th year anniversary, a lot of us had flashbacks.
So hang on a minute. So it's, no, it's miles
away from the- We're 10 days. We're 10 days away
from the anniversary of something that happened 25 years ago.

(22:37):
I mean, do you get flashbacks when you go to
the airport?

Speaker 13 (22:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
I mean, the connections.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
People make to big things that happen in history. I mean,
who's making that connection? Is that just in your little
brain or are other people, you know, is there really
any connotation to that terrible event?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
It was a terrible event. We all know that.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
It was a quarter of a century ago. So you
can't buzz a stadium in 2026 because of something that
happened in a completely different country 25 years ago. before
and not even on the same day?

Speaker 12 (23:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Well, as you say, every time a plane takes off
at the airport. I mean, Briar, what do you reckon?

Speaker 8 (23:14):
Oh, my God, that guy hit the nail on the head.
If we'd won the game.

Speaker 18 (23:17):
It might have been a different opinion.

Speaker 8 (23:20):
Like, seriously, is there no fun anymore? I just quit
there because I'm nearly home. I used to always be
quite frightened of flying. Like, I didn't really like it.
And one of my clients I had, her husband was
a pilot, and she said, he's a father. You know,
he's a son, he's an uncle. Pilots want to arrive
wherever they go safely. They don't intend to fly anything

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that they.

Speaker 11 (23:44):
Don't feel safe.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
Those guys knew what they were doing. Otherwise, they wouldn't
have been chosen to do it. You know, like, and
for them, it would have been, I mean, they didn't
want to fly to their death doing what they did.
They were very in control and they knew exactly what
they were doing. So, I kind of think it's, you know,
the fun that the game needed and there's Too much

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hype about it.

Speaker 23 (24:05):
We should be saying, wow, let's try and win next.

Speaker 8 (24:09):
Time and not lose. So I'm all for the sapper,
I shouldn't say that, but that guy, he said the
same thing, and for the texter.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, three senior captains on each plane. A captain, a co-pilot,
and a safety technical officer.

Speaker 8 (24:25):
Yeah, and they wouldn't have wanted to fly to their death.
You know, they'd miss out on Father's Day.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, they wanted to go home.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
So close to Father's Day, though.

Speaker 14 (24:35):
I know.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
Ever since she told me that, it really makes you
have more faith in whoever's flying the plane, because that's
their job. People do make mistakes, but these guys didn't
intend to make a mistake. I mean, I can't believe
the US would have anything to say about it after
all their kerfuffle, you know, like No, I think it
was great. And if I'd been there, I mean, I

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imagine some of the dads especially thinking, wow, this is wicked.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
This is awesome.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
You know, I'm glad I'm here. And if you had
to dive under your seat, well, so be it.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
Really?

Speaker 12 (25:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (25:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Good on you, Briar. Thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Now, we played this audio a little bit earlier, but
this is aviation safety expert and former pilot.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
He was on with Heather last night, Doug Moss. But
here is his thoughts.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Any professional pilot can fly that. You know, they have.
Strict altitude parameters that they were trying to fly. And
it's not a difficult manoeuvre, what they did. Most professional
pilots can easily do that.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
So there you go. Not a difficult manoeuvre. Most pilots
can easily do that. He did say it was perhaps
a lot lower than some other aviation authorities, but South
African Civil Aviation Authority signed it all off, and you've
got to say it was a success.

Speaker 11 (25:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
So these people are saying that the South African Civil
Aviation Authority signed that their rules need to be changed
to make us feel more comfortable. Dave, you disagree though?

Speaker 6 (26:06):
Yes, I do. It's all fine in a barrel of
laughs until suddenly it isn't. And as one of your
people said, nobody goes out there to have an accident. Well,
that's the definition of an accident, isn't it? You didn't
intend to have it happen. 46 feet. I used to
fly helicopters. I've got about 18,000 hours in them. And

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I would have not gone over the stadium at that
height in a helicopter at half that speed. What I've
seen is 46 feet for the lower one. And I've
seen 150 knots. In their favour is the fact the
aircraft were not loaded. That is probably not fully fuelled.
I doubt they would have been. And also, no passengers

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on board.

Speaker 18 (26:56):
Three people.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
It does not matter. that there were three senior crew
on there. If you want to go back many years
now to one of the early A320s, I think it
was Mulhouse in France, I'm not sure about that, it's
a while ago, they didn't intend an accident either. And

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the A320 has all sorts of automatic altitude, speed, angle of.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Attack, Wasn't that the problem in that particular situation, if
I'm remembering it? The autopilot situation started sending it straight
up and they were fighting the automation on the plane
in that situation, weren't they, Dave?

Speaker 6 (27:40):
They didn't intend to have an accident, is the point.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, but, I mean, Dave, if we never did anything
that never took any risks at all, I mean, you
can mitigate risk, and obviously the South African Civil Aviation
Authority and Air Traffic Navigation Services in South Africa approved it.
They practised it, and they thought it was well within,
you know, reasonable to do. So if those people think

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it's okay and they go for it, then sure, anything
can happen. Anything can happen any given day. But they
obviously decided they were operating within parameters that they were
comfortable with.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
46 feet is foolishly close. Well, it's like four stories.
Four stories. Okay. What are the clearances heights around an airfield?

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, but they, I mean.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
I completely disagree with you. I completely disagree.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
And you completely disagree with the other pilot we had on?

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
And with the South African Civil Aviation Authority?

Speaker 6 (28:45):
Yes, I do. Flying is very safe, correct?

Speaker 9 (28:50):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Very safe.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Not in a chopper, Dave, but commercially.

Speaker 6 (28:57):
Why is it safe?

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Well, I mean, because they have a bunch of.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
They don't take foolish risks.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Well, flying in a helicopter, they're taking foolish risks all
the time. Helicopters, I wouldn't put in the same level
of safety as planes.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
Don't diminish it. This is all a barrel of laughs
until it isn't.

Speaker 15 (29:18):
Yeah, but you can say that about anything, Dave.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Yes, and if they had have crashed, what would have
happened then? If they had hit that stadium, what would
have happened?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Well, yeah, but what if, I mean, I drove to
work on the motorway today at 100 kilometres now? I mean,
what could have happened?

Speaker 6 (29:35):
How many people are you going to kill?

Speaker 4 (29:38):
Well, me, potentially.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
It was a completely avoidable risk, and 46 feet in
an aircraft of that size size is nothing i don't
know when they had the uh high lift devices deployed
the leading edge slats and the trailing edge flaps in
the in the lifting position they probably did have something
out there 150 knots doesn't give you.

Speaker 10 (30:00):
A lot of space.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
So do you um do you disagree with all flyovers dave.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
No, I don't. I've just pointed out to you, Mulhouse,
they didn't intend an accident. And they finished up having
an accident.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
No one intends an accident. We can both agree on that.
But what about ear shows? How do you feel about
ear shows, Dave?

Speaker 6 (30:24):
Air shows have had their own tragedies, plenty of them,
but the fact remains there that they have changed rules
as well. You don't point at the crowd, and that
follows on from the Italian Air Force aerobatic team and
the German, I've forgotten the name of the station, it
was a big air show anyway. They were pointing straight

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at the crowd, and they got it slightly wrong. They're
flying to very close torrences there as well. And they
finished up with an aircraft totally demolished and going straight
into the crowd. There's about 50 people, 46 I think.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
So you talk about helicopters, but helicopters fly that low
over cities all the time. I mean, look at the Westpac.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
Helicopters do not fly that low over cities all the time.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
Really?

Speaker 4 (31:14):
I just saw one the other day land on the
top of a building in Auckland.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Yes, they do that because that is an authorised helipad
and there are also clearances around where if they have
a late approach or take-off engine failure or some other
unexpected emergency, bird strike, whatever, they also are pointed into
clear areas where they can land and that has been

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one of the big issues early on in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
What if I told you, Dave, that I was on
a helicopter that flew into Westpac Stadium while there was
a cricket game on, and we landed in the centre
of the park and got out of the helicopter and
ran over to our commentary box? So that was a
helicopter flying in Wellington and landing in the middle of
the stadium.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
Where could they have landed? How many landing areas were there?
Was there a completely enclosed station? Sorry, Dave. stadium like that?
And were there alternative landing points around the place where
they could abort the landing?

Speaker 4 (32:13):
I don't know. I was just in the helicopter. We
took off and we landed. We buzzed around just above the...
We buzzed around the stadium.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
Dave, just a second.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
We buzzed around the top of the stadium way closer
to the roof than 46 feet before we finally landed
on the stadium and Virat Kohli had to wait for
us to get out of our helicopter and run over
to our commentary thing. So helicopters don't have a problem
with that.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
I hope you never have to eat your words.

Speaker 9 (32:43):
Why?

Speaker 4 (32:43):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Does it have an accident in a helicopter?

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Eat my words about that?

Speaker 18 (32:48):
No.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
We're getting off the subject. We're talking about large aircraft
flying extremely close to a building.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
But you said earlier, Dave, that you would never do
that in a helicopter. You said you would never fly over.

Speaker 24 (33:01):
I said I would not do that in a helicopter
because what's your alternative there if you have an engine
failure or a bird strike, whatever, an emergency in a
critical situation?

Speaker 4 (33:13):
So you think we shouldn't have done that? We shouldn't
have done that into the cake tin?

Speaker 6 (33:19):
I don't know. I don't know what the circumstances are,
and you don't know, because you don't know what the
alternative landing sites would have been if an emergency had happened.
And the only way that you do this is you
take a very cautious and.
Professionals are the word I'm looking for, you leave yourself

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lots of margins because this happens very, very quickly indeed
when things go wrong. I'll tell you that right now.
It doesn't matter whether it's fixed wing or rotary wing.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Would you admit that the flyover was very cool though?

Speaker 6 (33:59):
It was spectacular, and spectacular ends badly sometimes. There have
been a number of accidents where people do this.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Well, can I just say we've got to go now,
but thank you so much for your call, Dave, and
I really appreciated discussing that with you, and thank you
for your expertise on the issue. That was a fun chat, but.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
We've got to go. And finally, don't egg them on.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Don't egg on the South Africans.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
But we definitely want them to do it at the
next stadium.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
Don't egg them on.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
We definitely want to do it, Joe.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
Don't you want people to go very close? in situations
like this where the carnage would be unspeakable if it
went wrong.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
So you don't think they should do the same flyby
in Johannesburg on the 5th of September?

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Shouldn't have been two of them, because that's a distraction
in itself, and most assuredly they should not have been
within 46 feet. All right, thank.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
You so much for your call, Dave. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, great call. Thank you very much. Are you with Dave,
helicopter pilot?

Speaker 2 (34:53):
He was not happy with how low they went in
South Africa, whether they're going to do it again for
the next match, who knows?

Speaker 4 (34:59):
It would be sad if they didn't because people complain,
in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
But, you know, who do I know? We're a bit late,
but taking your calls 0800 80 1080. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Are you with Dave or against it? Do you think
it was a great spectacle and you want to see
it again?

Speaker 6 (35:12):
Tell us.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
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Speaker 1 (35:14):
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Speaker 2 (35:23):
Very good afternoon to you. It is 9.22. A couple
of texts coming through. Well, actually, thousands of texts coming through.
This one says, for God's sake, has anyone in New
Zealand been to Warbirds over Wanaka? That's exactly what happens there.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
It's done. We've got to move on.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
I wonder if they put the wheels down. Could there
have been some rubber wheel marks on the roof?

Speaker 3 (35:42):
No one died. Lessons learned. It was phenomenal to watch. Hey, guys.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
New Zealand is becoming a nanny state. This texter says,
oh my goodness, can't we have any fun? And this
person's saying that, you know, why are you lying about
the helicopter thing? I'm not. He said that you can't
fly over a stadium in a helicopter or he wouldn't
do it. And I was just asking him, why was
I allowed to fly into a helicopter into the cake

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tin in 2011?

Speaker 3 (36:10):
That was something you actually did. That was an experience
that you had as you flew in.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
That was the question I wanted the answer to. So
why were we allowed to fly into... the stadium, well,
it was full of people, and land in the middle
just beside the stumps and get out and walk to
our commentary box. You know, I think that's a very,
very different thing. That was all my point. I mean,
it's a very different thing than a couple of planes
flying over a stadium at 278 kilometres an hour.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, but the clearance thing wasn't quite as clear-cut as
Dave was saying, and Dave was a helicopter pilot, as
he said, but clearly there are some different elements that
can come into play when it comes to clearance.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
This text says, Dave's the type of guy who would
have a 600-horsepower muscle car but never do a burnout.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
See, but a lot of people say, Matt, you don't
know anything about aviation.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
But I'm just having the discussion with people. But I
also think that a lot of people that are complaining
about this also don't know anything about aviation. And the
point is it was all approved. It was all proved
by the South African Civil Aviation Authority.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
And they certainly know something about aviation.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
And it was executed within the parameters of what they
rehearsed and what they planned.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
And so you may question whether they should do flybys
at all if that's the case. So maybe the South
African Civil Aviation Authority should change their rules. But those
are the rules. And if there's some rules and you
run an airline and you do something within those rules–
and it looks cool, then why can't we celebrate it?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
What do you say to that? 0800 80 1080 is
the number to call. Back very shortly. It is 722.

Speaker 14 (37:47):
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Speaker 4 (38:01):
I'm really enjoying how much this has annoyed some texters.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Sparked up.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
This texter says, hey, how about this? In Wellington, when
planes come into land, they pass over Cobham Drive at
a height of 30 feet. Where's the outrage?

Speaker 6 (38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Well, I guess... There's not 56,000 people underneath.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
That's a good point, and they've got to get into
the airport, but that is bang on. I just looked
that up.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Often they're flying in sideways as well.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, exactly. That's a tough airport to get into.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Right, we're going to keep this going after 2 o'clock
because a lot of people want to have their say,
which is a great thing. So if that's you, 0800
80 10 80, the South African flyover. Are we putting
safety ahead of spectacle, or do you think it was
too dangerous and they need to put a stop to
it all?

Speaker 6 (38:44):
What's this?

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Is this the theme to Hogan's Heroes?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I think you're right. Yeah, bang on.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
This is around the point I was making how soon
they were playing this after World War II when people
were complaining about 9-11 and it came to this flyover.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
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Speaker 2 (39:11):
Welcome back into the show. It is seven past two.
So we've been talking about the South African flyover ahead
of the ABs match. The latest is, here's a little
bit of it now.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Is this a flyover at the Mycoskie Memorial Studio?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Sounds pretty close.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
That's irresponsible.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, that is irresponsible.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
So the latest is, if you haven't seen it, that
the airline involved is going to hand over the two
black boxes to the Civil Aviation Authority for an independent review.
This is on the back of 48 hours of absolute
outrage online from the international community, saying it was too dangerous,
it was too risky, never should have happened in the
first place.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yeah, so my question is, can we not enjoy things
without getting outraged and worrying about safety? You know, is
it our job to worry about the safety, or is
it the South African Civil Aviation Authority's job to worry
about the safety? And look, I just think it's symptomatic.
And look, I could be wrong. I've been wrong about

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a lot of things in my life. But I think
it's symptomatic of a society that just goes, I don't
understand it, I don't like the look of it, shut
it down.

Speaker 10 (40:21):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Just shut it down. I don't like it. And then
there's this huge online uproar. Then a whole lot of
pressure comes on the airline that was flying the planes.
And then they don't want to do it again for
the next one. And then something cool stops. And then
it never comes back. And we go through life slowly

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removing everything that has any kind of risk in it
at all. And then the world just becomes a soft edges,
zero excitement zone.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
And we've seen that many times in the past, right?
There's plenty of examples of that. But, you know, there's
been a lot of mention of air shows. And air shows,
of course, they have their safety plans and all the
rest of it. And they do everything by the book.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
But there is.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
an element of risk, a very small percentage of risk,
which makes those particular things exciting when it comes to airshows.
And more and more often, what you're seeing with these
airshows around the world is that some things have happened,
but then they're starting to get shut down left, right
and centre. Because that tolerance for any potential thing to
go wrong, that's too high.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Things go wrong in life, right?

Speaker 4 (41:27):
And it's terrible when they do, absolutely. But We're hearing
that this wasn't a high risk. This wasn't an air
show type risk. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
This is different.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
They weren't doing anything that was not well, well, well
within the skill level of any pilot in the world,
and let alone when they've got a plan for it.
And as we keep saying, they had three senior captains
on each plane. So something that's well within their skill level,
that has been planned out, has been approved, And then

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it's executed exactly to the plan. And we go, no, no, no, no, no,
we don't like it. Let's shut it down. And God
forbid they do it again in Johannesburg.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
That's pretty much it. That sums it up very well.
That's where we're at at the moment.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
And what do you reckon about it? 0800 8010 80.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
We've had great conversations with Dave who rang in before
that was next helicopter pilot. And he had some really,
really good points to make.

Speaker 13 (42:23):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
About it. And I'm sure... There is a lot of
people out there that agree with them. So I wait
under at 801080. Let's continue the discussion because it's been
fun so far.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
We've had thousands of texts and so many people want
to have a chat, including Jeff.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
G'day, mate. How you going, mate?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Very good. Your thoughts?

Speaker 17 (42:41):
Years ago, I went over to Australia to the IndyCars,
Surfers Paradise. On the Friday night, they had drags. A
rocket truck went down the main street between all the buildings.
They had truck decks up at the end of it
where it started. But I asked the Aussie guy next
door to me, I said, why have they got truck
decks and why are they hosing it down? He said, oh,
it blew all the windows out last year.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
Right.

Speaker 17 (43:00):
But it never stopped them. They just fixed the problem.
And then on the Saturday, we're standing on the beach
surface paradise and a 747 come low enough down the
beach to blow all the umbrellas over. And then the
day after that, we're in our hotel, and we're up high,
and there's a heck of a noise. And I go
out the balcony and see what it is, and here's

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an Air Force helicopter. He's sitting right outside the window,
waiting for the OK to go between the buildings right
up the main street. And to me, that was the
most awesome weekend I've ever had. Poor old Dave. I
feel sorry for him. I'm pretty sure he's having a
health and safety meeting with himself before he gets out
of bed.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
He takes his job seriously, which, you know, as a
chopper pilot, that's probably a good thing to do.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
But, I mean, I would, I mean, if Dave, if
I was getting into a helicopter, I'd like Dave to
be the pilot because, you know, for a fact, nothing's
going to go wrong.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Aye.

Speaker 17 (43:56):
I don't think Dave would be much good bringing deer
or anything back like that.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
I couldn't even think of that, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Thank you so much for your call, Jeff. So let's
listen to this analysis that we played before. So what's
this fella's name again? I forget.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
So this is a former airline pilot and safety consultant.
His name was Doug Moss. He was on with Heather
last night, and here was his thoughts about the flyover.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
It looks dangerous, but not necessarily is. I'm sure the
pilots could easily avoid hitting anything. What fascinates me is
supposedly that altitude was approved by the airline and the
aviation authorities. Supposedly they were right on the plan and

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did exactly what they were allowed to do. It looks
like they were about 15 meters or 50 feet away
from the top of the structure. And less than 200
feet above the actual people in the stands. And that
normally is much closer than allowed. Any professional pilot can

(45:08):
fly that. They have strict altitude parameters that they were
trying to fly. And it's not a difficult maneuver what
they did. Most professional pilots can easily do that.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
That is from an aviation safety consultant and former pilot
over in America that the manoeuvre, if it's been signed off,
is not difficult to do. He did concede that it's
lower than some jurisdictions, but as you said, Matt, it
was signed off by the South African Civil Aviation Authority.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Yeah, but this text says, Dave, the helicopter guy is correct.
It was a ridiculous manoeuvre, and this is coming from
an ex-military pilot and current airline pilot. Whilst flybys can
be done safely with good planning, if 46 feet is correct,
it leaves no margin for error or environmental events causing
an upset. It appeared to be also poorly planned given
that the second aircraft ingested pyrotechnics. It didn't ingest pyrotechnics.

(46:04):
This would have required extensive checks of the aircraft before
it was cleared back to service. Let's keep it to
a more respectable height. That is also spectacular. 46 feet
is totally reckless. We've been also impressed at 240 feet
and 500 feet, but left a margin of error. And
yet this text, how can we get so many pilots
and experts that 100% disagree.

Speaker 14 (46:26):
With each other?

Speaker 3 (46:26):
This is why it's a good chat, because it's not
clear cut.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
I have been involved with airline safety management systems as
a senior pilot, says this texter. Aviation is safe because
pilots manage risk effectively every day. There was no margin
in that flyover manoeuvre. Therefore, unacceptable level of risk, even
at the airshows, the aircrafts aren't allowed to fly over.
So we've got those two ones saying exactly the opposite
of what the other guy's saying.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Keep them coming through. 9292 is the text number. If
you are a pilot, how do you feel about this?

Speaker 4 (46:55):
But these people that are saying this through, if you
are actually, because I've flown around with some pilots, and
a lot of them are gearheads, and I've been involved
in a few pretty cool buzzes that I won't tell
the details of.

Speaker 14 (47:04):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
So it is interesting that you've been aviation experts... But
you'd also have to admit it was cool that they
pulled it off.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Oh, heck yeah.

Speaker 14 (47:12):
Surely.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Surely, if you love planes, you've got to look at
that and go, at least admit it was cool.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
And I think Dave conceded that part. It was spectacular.
What do you say, though? 0800 80 1080, somebody call
quarter past two.

Speaker 14 (47:24):
Your home of afternoon talk.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 14 (47:29):
Call 0800 80 1080.

Speaker 17 (47:29):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Very good afternoon to you. It is 17 past two
and we're talking about reactions to the South African flyover.
It's caused a lot of outrage online over the past 48,
over 48 hours now, which has led the airline involved
to hand over the black boxes for an independent flight.
And I'll just read a story here. South Africans are
pushing back against the criticism from US media because they've

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gone hard on this. They said, we can't be told
by the US media that Airlink flyover was careless and dangerous.
We are the pilots here. We are the ones in
control of our own air authority. It was deemed safe
and it was safe.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yeah, that's my thing. So why is that all these
American experts coming in and saying it wasn't? You know,
it was within the South African parameters and they did
it and they pulled it off.

Speaker 13 (48:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
And this text is going to annoy people.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
South African here. I won't do it in a South
African accent, shall I?

Speaker 3 (48:26):
You give it a go.

Speaker 14 (48:27):
No, I bet not.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
This is such a Kiwi discussion. Your lives are so
soft and easy, you have become so worried about safety.
I too, like a bunch of you callers, claim to
be in aviation. But this was an excellent manoeuvre that
was pulled off perfectly. It was planned and executed well.
And you know what? We South Africans are proud of it.
This is something we all experience coming to New Zealand.

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You are a scared people. Your first reaction is to
shut things down. We have a lot of things to
worry about back home. There's a lot wrong with my country.
That is why I'm here. but it cracks me up
how angry Kiwis get about everything that they deem not
to be safe. You are on the lookout for anything
to be even slightly dangerous, and then you start tut-tut-tutting.

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You are a soft people.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Wow, that is shots fired from that particular South African listener.
Thank you for that text. What do you say to that?

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Cleo, welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
G'day, guys.

Speaker 10 (49:21):
Long time no speaky.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, g'day, mate. Hope you're well.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Always welcome.

Speaker 10 (49:25):
Yeah, keeping out of trouble. Good on you. Hey, look, look,
my opinion is going to probably upset Matt a wee bit, but,
you know, that's life.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
You can never upset me, Blair.

Speaker 10 (49:36):
I'll bet I could.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Here we go.

Speaker 14 (49:38):
Look, my view is.

Speaker 10 (49:38):
OK... First thing, a helicopter versus an aircraft. A helicopter
is designed to hover. It's designed to travel slowly. An
airplane is not. It has to maintain a minimum speed,
probably around, I don't know, 120 knots, in order to

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create lift to stay in the air. If it falls
out of the sky, it's because it's not going forward
quick enough. A helicopter is different, right? So being able
to fly into a stadium is not such a big
deal in a helicopter as it would be trying to
pull that off in a Cessna, for example. You wouldn't
get away with it. Number two, I just don't think

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the margins were wide enough. The first aircraft, the lowest aircraft,
was in front of the second aircraft. If that lower
aircraft had had to pull up for whatever reason, chances
are the second aircraft that was above it, A, wouldn't
have seen it, and B, wouldn't have been able to
react quick enough. And I can just imagine the noise

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in the cockpit would have been horrendous with the, you know, whoop, whoop, terrain, terrain, whoop, whoop,
pull up, pull up, and all that sort of carry-on
going on, because I don't think you can turn those
features off. So that would have been a distraction as well.
That said, it was pretty spectacular, but probably pretty stupid.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Hey, now, in my defence, Blair, when I was talking
to Dave, he was the one that said he wouldn't
do something like that in a helicopter, and I was
just asking the question, why was it? Because obviously it's
completely different in a helicopter. I mean, you can't. You
land a helicopter straight down. I was just asking him
why it was okay for me to be in a
helicopter flying into a stadium, into the Cape Town. I
think it was 2011. We flew in and landed in

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the middle of the park. Well, it was packed full
of people. And I was just asking him why we
got approval for that. Why was it that we were
allowed to buzz around just right above the top of
the stands and come in and land? I wasn't saying
it was right or wrong that we were allowed to
do it. I was just saying, why were we allowed
to do it if what he was saying about the

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minimum heights that you're allowed in a helicopter over built-up areas?

Speaker 10 (51:53):
Yeah, I mean, every scenario is different, right? And every
scenario is going to have a set of plans and
permits and all that sort of carry on. And I
guess it comes down to the pilot's individual choice. I mean,
nothing says he has to do it. So if he
doesn't feel comfortable doing it, then he doesn't, I don't think,

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needs to justify that decision to anybody. If he's not
feeling comfortable doing it, well, he won't do it. And
that's his decision, and that's his decision to make. With
regards to, you know, so like in Wellington there, you're
talking about there's a land option on the wharf.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
That's where we took off from.

Speaker 10 (52:34):
You took off from there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
So we just did a, it was sort of quite
a strange little hop we did. That was a short flight. Yeah,
we did. We just flew up. But we were actually
in the air for a long time because Virat Kohli
was still warming up and he wouldn't get off the
pitch for us to land. But then when we did land, Blair,
Virat Kohli was looking at us like we were some
kind of super flash people going, who are these people
that get to land in the middle of the pitch?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
He was impressed.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
He was quite impressed. He thought we must be billionaires.

Speaker 10 (52:58):
That's probably a legitimate question.

Speaker 9 (53:00):
Hmm.

Speaker 10 (53:01):
But, you know, yeah, anyway. Now, another person or a
text that you read out was aircraft flying over Cobham
Drive in Wellington here at 30 feet. Well, yeah, because
that's the end of the runway.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
You know, you could oppose the same argument approaching, if
you're flying in over the city from Auckland, you know,
into Auckland, you're going over Manukau City, you're going over Papatoetoe, Well.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
At some point before a plane lands, they're a millimetre
above the ground at some point.

Speaker 10 (53:35):
Well, I mean, you know, I'm learning to fly at
the moment in a little piper out of Wellington here.

Speaker 6 (53:41):
Oh, nice.

Speaker 10 (53:42):
And they're pretty strict on minimum heights and noise abatement,
so we can't fly over certain areas because of noise abatement.
And they're pretty strict on it.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
But would you concede, Blair, when it comes to our
own Civil Aviation Authority, they've made their decision, but there's
differences within aviation authorities. So South Africa have their own
rules in where they consider the risk lies.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
We have our own rules.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
And clearly they've decided that there's some flexibility in this
particular flyover, whereas we would never allow it here.

Speaker 10 (54:22):
Again, you're quite right. They're an independent... authority that looks
after air traffic in their country and they can make
their decisions and do what they want to do. I
don't think that would be permitted in New Zealand. No,
definitely not. I heard Matt talk about the flyover over
the stadium when the, I think it was the 747. 1995. Yeah,

(54:45):
he wasn't at 250 feet.

Speaker 9 (54:46):
No.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
He was at least.

Speaker 10 (54:47):
Probably 1,500, 2,000 feet. So, you know, we're not comparing
apples with apples there, are we?

Speaker 4 (55:01):
No, but what I was saying is that this was
an homage to that. So the flyover, because some South
Africans are texting and saying, you've got the haka, we've
got the flyover. And so I was just responding to
them and just pointing out that you're right, there is
a tradition of this kind of flyover in South Africa.
And that's why this one, Well, it was organised. But

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would you agree that, you know, say you've got these
three senior captains, the commander, co-pilot and safety technical officer
that are on each one of these planes, you've got
to say that we can show some respect to them
and say that surely three senior captains on each plane,
that's six in total, wouldn't agree to it unless they

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thought it was a good idea.

Speaker 10 (55:45):
Oh, again, I'm not debating that. That's their decision to make.
You know, as I was talking before about the helicopter
pilot where they would fly into the stadium. It's an
individual decision as to whether they want to do that.
You know, there's weather factors, there's wind shears. Wind shear,
you can't see it. There's all sorts of things that

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could affect an aircraft when it's that close to a
building or that close to the ground. I've experienced wind shear.
It's not cool. You know, because you.
You've got a split second to make a decision. Do
I try landing? Do I do a go around? Can
I get out of this? Can I not get out

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of this? You know, is my insurance up to date
or is it not? You know, those sorts of things.
And it comes down to, you know, my experience is
not in a jet. I'm like, you know, and I'm
not going to pretend to say that I could do
that in a jet because there's no way I wouldn't

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be allowed anywhere near it. But, you know, no, I
wouldn't do it. Put it that way. I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Thank you for your call, Blair. Good to chat.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Yeah, great call. Thank you very much. Are you with Blair?
This texter says, G'day, guys. There's a Kiwi.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I just listened to that South African texter saying about
being soft Kiwis.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
He is so right.

Speaker 12 (57:07):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
We are so pathetic. Look at the road cones.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Look at the overcautiousness that everybody has accepted to be dumb, pathetic,
and dangerous.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Wake up, New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Well, I'll tell you what, it is definitely more dangerous
to live in South Africa than it is in New Zealand.
And that is one of the reasons why a lot
of South Africans move to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yep, very true.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
So, you know, do we want New Zealand to be
as loose as South Africa is?

Speaker 6 (57:30):
I don't know. Controversial.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Keep those things coming through. It is 27 past two.

Speaker 14 (57:35):
The big stories. The big issues.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
The big trends. And everything in between. Matt Heath and
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Speaker 14 (57:42):
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Speaker 1 (57:50):
Call 0800 80 1080 on Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
It is, bang on, half past two. Man, there's some
text coming through.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Oh my goodness, so many texts. This is an interesting one.
The 1995 Alice Park flyover with the 747 was at
200 feet. That was 61 metres above the top seats.
A 747? I wonder what the outrage was like about
that in 1995 with a 747 buzzing the stadium at

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61 metres above. So this is different from the one
in Cape Town across the weekend, which was 14 metres
above the stadium roof, which is about four storeys above
the stadium roof, but a very different type of plane.

Speaker 10 (58:35):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
We're not talking about a 747. We're talking an Embraer,
which is 98 passengers. It's a decent-sized plane. but it's
not a 747.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
No.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
But, I mean, that's a bit of a buzz, the
1995 Alice Park one.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
That's pretty close.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
61 metres. I mean, that would have felt very close
at the time.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I'm going to go out on a limb, and I'm
going to say I don't think there was much outrage
back then. I just think people loved it and said,
how good, more of that, please. But I might be wrong,
if you can remember the outrage about that, 61 metres
for a 747.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
It's pretty close.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Yeah, we're 30 years more hysterical about safety.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
All right, keep those things coming through on 9292 and
0800 80 1080. And I think after the headlines, we're
going to have a chat with an airline pilot. about
their thoughts on what happened with that flyover. That's coming
up next. It is 29 to 3.

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can see the full column from Liam Napier at nzherald.co.nz.
Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Thank you very much, Ray Lance.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
We're talking about the South African flyover. Are we too
quick to put safety ahead of spectacle?

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
What do you reckon? Oh, 800, 80, 1080 is the
number to call.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
This text says, so all these people are going to
be so happy when there is no flyover in Joburg.
Well done. Another fun thing shut down. I hope you
stand up and applaud from your couches here in New
Zealand and the United States of America whilst you two-screen
another event. You got upset about something that was approved
in another country and managed to stop something that brought

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a lot of happiness. Congrats. I think that's sarcastic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
I think that is sarcastic.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
I don't think they really mean it.

Speaker 24 (01:01:20):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
And here's hope in South Africa says, you know what,
we've done our investigation. We don't care. We're doing it again.
Let's go. I mean, seriously, what are the black box
going to show?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Once they do their independent investigation, I'm sure once they
listen to those audio recordings, it seemed to go off successfully,
considering that they've done the risk assessments.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
So why would they change the risk assessment now post?
So if they did the assessment and said it was
okay to do it, and then they've It looks like
that after correcting the tracking data for local atmospheric pressure,
the jet was estimated at about 210 feet above sea level.
DHL Stadium's roof is about 160 feet above sea level,

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producing a 46-foot estimated clearance.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Right? So if they've done it within their parameters, if
they changed it, it would be what pressure from New
Zealand and social media out of the United States. So
they're not doing it again if they were going to
do it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Who knows?

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
But this text says, if they do it again at
the next game and crash, I hope you face charges, Matt.
Egging people on is as bad as doing these evil things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Jeepers, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
So someone's moved that up, these three senior captains, from
doing a flyby to bring some entertainment. Now, that's an
evil thing, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Some manslaughter charges, Jesus. Grant, how are you, mate?

Speaker 14 (01:02:37):
Yeah, I'm very good, Matt.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
Tyler, how are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Good, mate.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Thanks for calling. Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 12 (01:02:42):
Yeah, I'm pretty much all for the whole thing. I
think that it's gone through the regulatory authority, which is
the Civil Aviation Authority of South Africa. And believe it
or not, they actually run with the same rule structures
that we run with here in New Zealand, because they're
all part of what we call the International Civil Aviation
Organization based in Canada. And South Africa, like New Zealand, Australia,

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United States, is a signature state of what we call ICAO.
So it's been run past the regulatory authorities there. They
would have had sufficient training to do this. Remember, they've
done this on a couple of other scenarios as well,
so they're very current in what they're doing. So currency
is a big factor. They're not just walking into those
cockpits willy-nilly and putting the loud levers forward and pointing

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it to the sky. I was in South Africa about
a month ago at the DHL Stadium, and where it's
actually geographically situated, and they came in from the sea
and over that, in the event of an engine failure
with the inertia of those aircraft and the speed that
they were doing, there's no way they were going to
hit the thing. The only two ways that they would
hit that stadium would be a medical event, and then,

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of course, they had crew redundancy there as well, or
an act of terrorism, which we weren't going to see.
So with that, as they come in with the particular
speeds that they were doing with the inertia of the aircraft,
I'm sure they were fully briefed on the whole scenario
of an engine-out procedure. a crew incapacitation procedure. It looked

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like they were stepped up or stepped down depending on
what they were briefed in their formation flying coming in.
So they had redundancy in crew, they had redundancy in engines,
they had redundancy in the fact that they had low
fuel states, they had redundancy in the fact that the
aircraft were empty. So they had power to burn. I mean,
those things, those aircraft can do anything on a single
engine when they're fully loaded.

Speaker 6 (01:04:29):
So And they would have gone.

Speaker 12 (01:04:31):
Through their crew resource management, so all that stuff going
on in the cockpit, training for all different scenarios, formation, flying,
different weather approach and departure fans, which is the big one.
So which way they're going to come in under certain
weather conditions, which way they're going to vacate under certain
weather conditions, which way they're going to vacate to avoid
built-up areas if they have an engine out or a problem,

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in which case they could probably just turn straight back
out to sea because they're right on the coast there.
And they would have done all their hazard recognitions and
risk assessments as well, including threat and error management, which
is a big part of human factors these days where
threats are recognised and how they are actually managed. So,
you know, with all that kind of technical jargon there,

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I thought it was a well-executed manoeuvre, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
And so you seem to know a lot about it, Grant.
Are you a pilot?

Speaker 12 (01:05:23):
I knew you were going to ask that because the
only way you really find out if someone's a pilot
is if they tell you.

Speaker 10 (01:05:27):
Yeah, I am, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yeah, we could tell, Grant. We could tell.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
You were talking with such authority on the situation that
I'm assuming you know what you're talking about. So you've
been there. So you're saying even if there was a
bird strike, because a lot of people have been talking
about a bird strike or whatever, a drone strike, or
the pyrotechnics got into the jet engines or whatever, you're
saying at that point they're still going to keep flying
over with the momentum they've got, you used a different word,

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then they're going to make it to the ocean. There's
no way they're going to hit the stadium.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
No, I believe so.

Speaker 12 (01:05:59):
So if you look at the three different scenarios, so
let's say on the inbound, they're set up to come
in on the inbound and they ingest, you know, a
whole lot of birds. Let's say in both engines and
the thing actually all goes quiet, the fires go out,
then they can actually point out to sea and have
their situation go there because that's exactly where they're coming
in from. It's sitting right on a piece of outland there,

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the DHL Stadium. Um, so if that happened right there,
they can deal out and peel out to see if
they're right over the actual stadium itself, they're not going
to hit the thing because they've got the inertia or momentum,
as you mentioned, to carry on through. And then afterwards
they would have a plan there as well. Uh, so
there's the three different points. I would think that they
were probably doing most of their threatened error management or

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risk assessments as we, uh, as we more commonly know
it to come through. But, uh, These crews were very
current because they did one the week before and the
week before that too with training and also they've done
a heck of a lot of simulator time running through
all this and they've had to sign off by the
regulatory authority which sometimes doesn't really mean much because they're
not the ones in the left hand or the right

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hand seats of these aircraft but they still have certain
parameters they have to fly to their limits, their envelope,
the aircraft's envelope and of course the environmental envelope around
them as well but I think that it's good to
have an opinion and everybody– it's the salient nature of aviation.
I mean, car accidents happen every week and day here

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and everywhere, but no one really talks about them. But
if an aircraft has an incident or an accident, everyone
becomes pseudo-investigators and they have an opinion, which isn't a
bad thing because– even the professionals can pick up on
certain things and take what they need out of those opinions.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
So, Grant, with those opinions, so why are so many
aviation expert people and other pilots that are coming through
and are not only saying, and, you know, we just
have to take people at face value. I mean, I
don't know for sure someone takes through. I assume that
they're telling the truth. But why are so many of
them not only saying it's unsafe but irresponsible and also–

(01:08:04):
uh throwing a whole of inserts insults towards me in
the text machine because i'm saying i thought it was cool.

Speaker 12 (01:08:10):
Just seeing there too uh tyler we uh we uh
flew into uh christchurch rugby stadium a few years ago
on a twin engine helicopter too to give kfc to
people so um i mean everything was covered there wasn't
it a redundancy there too were approach and departure fans
uh and also the redundancy of twin engines and two pilots,

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so that kind of thing. So it's just what I
was talking about before. I mean, that's their own opinions.
I'm just forming my opinion and telling you what I
know through the education that I have in aviation. The
only way that they would have hit that, well, maybe
there could have been a third thing I could have
put in there too, so an act of terrorism, maybe
crew incapacitation or a structural failure on the aircraft could

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have rendered that happening. But other than that, I can't
see how they would have And then to say that
it was reckless would be saying that it wasn't planned.

Speaker 10 (01:09:02):
Well, the whole thing was planned.

Speaker 14 (01:09:03):
It was planned in the simulator. It was planned in training.

Speaker 26 (01:09:08):
It was all covered off.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
From what I can see, from what I know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
So just rolling back to the International Civil Aviation Authority
and the countries that sign up to that. So the
operational flexibility within those rules, Grant, as long as you
are abiding by that framework, you can have that flexibility
to do something like this.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Because we can't see this being signed off in New Zealand.
You wouldn't be able to buzz Te Kaha like this,
would you, Grant? No, that wouldn't be signed off.

Speaker 12 (01:09:34):
No, probably not. But like I said, there are those
rule structures there and you have to prove in order
to get certification as an airline or an engineering base,
you have to prove to the regulatory authority, in this
case the Civil Aviation Authority, the CAA, that you are
abiding by these rules through your exposition and how you're

(01:09:56):
going to do it, how you're going to recognise hazards,
how you're going to assess your risks in order to
be safe, you know, and safe is, safety is defined,
it's a concept defined, it's free from risk to a
point where it's as low as reasonably practicable. So they
must have gone through all that in order to conduct
this manoeuvre that they were doing and went ahead and

(01:10:21):
did it. I think maybe they might have been slightly
lower than Might have been planned.

Speaker 6 (01:10:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:10:26):
But there was a lot of parallax on those pictures
as well. I just saw an interesting picture came through before.
I think it was about 12 or 13 even etzibeths
on shoulders. And he's a big boy, you know, playing
good at the stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
But jokes aside, I think.

Speaker 12 (01:10:43):
That's well planned. Risk assessed. The hazards were assessed. The
risks associated with those were thought through carefully. Simulator time.
training and also I think one of the biggest one
there would be currency because this crew has done it
before so they're not just you know hopping out of
their airliner from a St Helena trip and then jumping

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in and going let's go buzz the DHL stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Grant thank you very much for your thoughts mate great
to hear from you so Grant as a pilot says
that it's all good it was all cleared this risk
assessments were completed and it worked exactly how it was
meant to so what do you say to that 9292
is the text number it is 14 to 3.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams, taking your calls on 0800 80 1080.
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Newstalk ZV.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
It is 12 to 39292 is the text number.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
The text says, hey, Matt, way too much cotton wool here.
Technology is awesome. It would have been advertised. So if
you didn't want to risk it, don't go. All these
armchair complainers. Sigh, says this text. Drone pilot. Yeah, I mean,
drones could have mixed this up. How are you, Campbell?

Speaker 15 (01:11:52):
Good, how are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Good, mate.

Speaker 11 (01:11:55):
I kind of agree with most sides of the story,
to be honest. Like the last guy said, it would
have been planned incredibly well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
But I say, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Speaker 11 (01:12:10):
That's where I'm coming from.

Speaker 19 (01:12:13):
I'm a professional drone pilot.

Speaker 22 (01:12:15):
Most of the drone rules are the same around the world,
and so our... airspace that we're allowed to work in
is between zero feet and 400 feet.

Speaker 11 (01:12:27):
So this large aircraft was well within that area.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
And you can't control, unfortunately, which is what gets most
people annoyed about drones, you can't control who's flying a
drone and where.

Speaker 18 (01:12:42):
I know that they could have had.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
All these plans in place, but there's that factor that
you just.

Speaker 11 (01:12:48):
Can't plan for. And I do agree that, you know,
a drone strike is one of them in that particular scenario.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
It's an interesting one, Campbell, from a drone perspective, and
this is kind of changing the subject a little bit, but,
you know, when I see what's happening with this, you know,
the drone swarms and the Ukraine and such, how could
a stadium possibly protect itself from, you know, a terrorist
attack from drones? If someone fires 50 drones at a stadium...

(01:13:19):
How could you possibly protect yourself from that? I mean,
take a plane out of the situation so there's no
flyby just if you wanted to commit a terrible atrocity.
Wouldn't drones be hard to protect from?

Speaker 11 (01:13:31):
Am I going to accuse you of topic creep? Yeah,
we'll ask another topic for another day. But yeah, I mean,
drones are... Drones, just like everything, have their really good
part in society and their bad part in society, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
So how big are the drones you're operating, Campbell? The
bigger ones?

Speaker 11 (01:13:50):
Yeah, mine are the medium-sized ones.

Speaker 17 (01:13:52):
I'm a real estate photographer, so my drone.

Speaker 11 (01:13:55):
Would be all about just under a kilo.

Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
And I've always said.

Speaker 21 (01:14:01):
If a drone goes through an aircraft, you know, like
a large aircraft engine, I doubt that it would... bring
the plane down but I mean luckily we've never really
had that around the.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
World but I wanted to challenge you guys on one
thing yes one let's just say I'm a really good
shot with an arrow and every single.

Speaker 19 (01:14:22):
Time I hit the bullseye right.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
How big a piece of fruit would you allow me
to put on your head for me to shoot the
apple off your head.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I'd probably go pineapple trust me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
With your pineapple that's enough clearance there What.

Speaker 10 (01:14:39):
Are you doing tomorrow?

Speaker 11 (01:14:40):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
Yeah, but I mean, you know, things have to happen
in this world. And if people go through and they
sign it off, and as Grant was saying, they run scenarios,
they run simulations, they get the approval, they run practices,
they have contingencies in place, then you're lowering risk. But
we're never going to be in a situation in this
world where there's no risk or we'd never get in

(01:15:03):
a car and drive anywhere.

Speaker 11 (01:15:05):
Look, and I agree, and I thought it was spectacular,
and I love the pictures, and I love the planning,
but I still go, for me, personally, a little bit
too low.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Good on you, Campbell. And that's everyone's right to have
that opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
This text says, oh, sorry, what were you going to say, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
I'll just keep those texts coming through. There's thousands of them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
This texture is great.

Speaker 11 (01:15:29):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
There's so many. There's so many texts.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Yeah, we'll track them down. But keep them coming through.
We're going through all of them. It is eight minutes
to three back in a mo.

Speaker 14 (01:15:38):
The issues that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 14 (01:15:44):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Newstalk ZB it is five to three. This text says,
what a great call from Grant the pilot. Knowledgeable and eloquent.
He can pilot my plane any time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Put these New Zealanders in charge of the next flyby
and fix it with two million road cones dumped on
top of the stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
This one says, G'day Matt and Tyler. Love the show
as always. My opinion, not low enough.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Bless, bless, bless. That's from a Tyler in Hawke's Bay.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Okay, there you go. I thought it was very, very cool.
New Zealand has turned into a bunch of soft-skinned, hand-wringing,
sock-sniffing wounders.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Sock sniffing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
The last caller was excellent. He had great knowledge. Sock sniffing.
Is that the problem?

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Okay, that's a new one. And this one, g'day, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
I think the only reason we'd be bothered with what
the South Africans do over the stadium with a flyover
is that there were hundreds of Kiwis down there. Saying that,
it was spectacular and nothing went wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Whether they'll do it again, I certainly hope so. All right.

Speaker 9 (01:16:44):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
Well, I think we've well and truly discussed the living
bejesus out of that subject, haven't we?

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Yeah, we certainly moved to that one. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Let's move on. But great discussion. Thank you very much.
And I'm sure we'll find out what those black boxes,
the audio from those black boxes in due course.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
Something else will pop up that people are more interested
in that they can complain about online.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
That's right, yeah, yeah, something else to be outraged by.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Before that even comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Right, coming up after 3 o'clock, though, we want to
have a chat about camera glasses. So this is the
likes of Ray-Bans. They are here in the country. They're
causing all sorts of concerns around privacy and creepiness, and
some are starting to question, should these type of camera
glasses actually be banned in this country? Pretty full-on, but
what do you say? 0800 80 1080, if you've got

(01:17:27):
some of these camera glasses, what do you actually use
them for? Tell us, 92928. is the text number as well.
New sport and weather coming up. You're listening to Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 14 (01:17:51):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Welcome back into the show. It is seven past five.
So let's get into this one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
The Privacy Commission is setting clear expectations around the use
of smart glasses. If you haven't heard of them or
seen them, they look like normal glasses but are equipped
with cameras, audio, AI assistance to record video and also
overlay digital information.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
So in Australia there's a growing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Support to ban the import of what they dub pervert
glasses over in Australia. because critics say their capacity to
film in secret is problematic for people in public and
for society in general.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Yeah, right. So you've got someone, because I look at
these meta glasses, right, and they kind of look like
the glasses I'm wearing now, right?

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Very, very similar.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
So you've got Ray-Ban glasses, Oakley glasses, but, you know,
so essentially someone's got some glasses on, they look like this,
you wouldn't know, but then they can be filming.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
That's right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
So it's effectively like a dash cam for a human, right?
You just go around, if you've got these glasses, and
you're filming everything and everyone To what end?

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Well, that's a great question. I don't understand that myself.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I mean, look, if you're someone who produces content online
and you see a lot of that. on your Instagram
feed or your Facebook feed or your TikTok, where they
are quote-unquote influencers and they're producing content that somehow gets
clicks or whatever, then that is one part of it.
But for anybody else that is going through their day-to-day life,
I mean, what is the rationale for wearing these particular glasses?

(01:19:23):
Is it just the digital overlay that can translate things
for you, that can give you information about maps?

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Well, these ones don't have a digital overlay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Not the meta ones, no.

Speaker 11 (01:19:32):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
So basically you say, hey, meta, take a photo. or
start a recording without touching it. So you can just
be there and say start recording. They've got open-ear speakers,
so doubles as headphones, so you can listen to music, podcasts,
audio books. It's got a bunch of AI commands. It
can remember things, like remember where I put my keys.

(01:19:55):
It can translate conversations. So there's a bunch of stuff
it can do. But also someone could be sitting there
and they're just filming you. I mean, I guess people
can be filming you anyway and we're being filmed all
the time anyway, aren't we? We're on the CCTV filming
us everywhere we go. There's cameras in here, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
There are.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
One, two, three, four, five, six.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
A couple on my laptop as well. Seven, eight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:20:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
So we're being filmed.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
I keep forgetting that as well.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
Is that creepy?

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Well, some of the video is problematic sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
There was that time when I whipped my shirt off
because I spilled a coffee into the machine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
That was good content in the end. But yeah, I
don't know. What do you say?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
0800 80 1080, do you find this particular technology creepy?

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
And where is the line?

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Because the Privacy Commissioner has a lot on his plate
trying to figure out where the line is. Actually, let's
have a listen to what he said to Mike Hoskin
this morning.

Speaker 27 (01:20:50):
The way that smart glasses are taken off, we do
need to look... at both rules around the users of them,
but also rules for the suppliers of them. We don't
have a problem setting product safety rules for other consumer goods,
so we need to look at the technology that goes
with these smart glasses and whether it can cause harm.
For example, I'd say that you need to respect the
privacy of others. It's good practice to ask people if

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you are going to use them that they had their consent.
You should tell people you're recording. A good question, I think,
to ask yourself as a user or buyer of these
glasses is, would someone watching me do this filming or
photography with these glasses be likely to think, what I'm
doing is creepy? If you're using them to record a
family Christmas meal to send to a relative overseas, that's fine.

(01:21:36):
If you're using them while staring at young people in
their togs at the beach... No, that's not OK. So
there's questions about the current coverage of the Privacy Act,
which doesn't apply to individuals. It applies to organisations and businesses.
There's questions around things like giving New Zealanders a right
to erasure. So if some footage of you ends up online,

(01:21:57):
you have the right to ask for it to be
taken down by a social media company. There's broader questions, Mike,
that we've been having discussions about already. about the appropriate
regulation of the online world and those environments.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Good practice, he says. It's just good practice. But, of course, people,
there's all kinds of people that don't indulge in good practice.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
So, you know, sure, it's absolutely polite if you ask
someone before you film them. But that's not happening. I mean,
anyone can go online for 30 seconds and someone filming
someone doing something or anything happens at all, there's 50
wounders whipping out their phone and filming it and posting
it to social media. So what's the difference?

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Well, if you're walking down the street and you're using
these metaglasses and you're filming, I mean, you're going to
ask everybody you walk past and say, look, I actually agree.
If you're at the beach and you've got these glasses on,
you're a pervert. That's a pervert glasses situation. You shouldn't
be doing that anywhere where people... Ah, scantily clad.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
What if you just love seagulls and you're filming them
eating chips and you accidentally get people in their swimming togs?

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
You have to get some of those blockers on the side,
a bit of cardboard maybe, just to block out anybody
else and just focus on the seagulls.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
I'm filming the seagulls before you get beaten up. Yeah,
but you know kind of what I'm saying, though, because
someone could just jump out. Someone can be behind a tree.
Any kind of fight, any kind of action, anything that
happens anywhere in New Zealand happens. there's footage of it
online and not of all, not all of it is
filmed by someone that can see they're filming. It's out
their window of their house or, or wherever.

Speaker 14 (01:23:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
There's an argument and someone's filming. They don't want to
be filmed.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Yeah, I get your point because I was going to
say the glasses are a little bit covert undercover, but
if you don't see someone with their phone filming you,
it's kind of the same thing, right? So what do
you say? 0800 80 1080, you got a problem with
these glasses? If you've got them, what do you use
them for?

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
And do you agree.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
With the Australians that they should be dubbed perfect glasses?
9292 is the text number.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
It is 13 past three.

Speaker 14 (01:23:47):
News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Quarter past three, so we're talking about the rise of
smart glasses in New Zealand and around the world, but
concern here over the balance between privacy and allowing people
to film in public places. But what do you think
about these particular products? Oh, $ 800, $ 1080 is the number
to call.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Pete, how are you today?

Speaker 17 (01:24:04):
Yeah, g'day, how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Very good, thank you. What do you reckon about this one?

Speaker 25 (01:24:10):
I'm actually totally against them. It's just going too far.
There's enough devices out there now. without having these coming
in as well. You know, it's just like you say,
they should call them pervert glasses or whatever you want
to call them. But, yeah, no, I reckon that, no,
it's just the world's going crazy. Where do you have
your privileges? Any creep, I'm not saying all creeps are

(01:24:32):
going to wear them, but what I'm just saying is, no,
it's one step going too far for people's privacy. You know,
you've got to have laws and that to have drones
in there around. You know, Harry's just going to have them.
I reckon they should be banned. Australia, it's written there too,
in Australia, a lot of places now, like the councils

(01:24:52):
and stuff, looking on there now. Yes, a lot of
places are going to ban them, like theatres and stuff.
I reckon they should just outlaw them in New Zealand.

Speaker 17 (01:25:00):
We don't need them.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Well, yeah, so you can get them in New Zealand
right now for about $ 600. You can get yourself a
pair of Ray-Ban Meta Gen 2. So there's people out there.
I can see why they don't want them in movie
theatres because, of course, you can just be pirating them. But, Pete,
you've already got people out there filming you on your phone.
You've got dash cam cameras filming everything. You've got CCTV.

(01:25:22):
Why is this so particularly different just because it's on
your face?

Speaker 25 (01:25:27):
Well, people have got cameras you can see them taking
a photo shot. But when they're wearing these glasses... You
don't know who's wearing for what purpose. I reckon they
should be out-banned. We don't want them. I reckon they
should not be allowed in this country. Most countries hope
that people get stronger about it. So we don't need it.
There's enough devices out there now adding these to the privacy,

(01:25:50):
people's privacy being lost once again.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Thank you for that, Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Pete says ban them. Get rid of them entirely.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Yeah, I mean.
Do we have any privacy left, though, at this point? Like,
when you're out on the street, you can– you know,
I was recently involved in a court case, and the
amount of evidence they had just– you know, they could film–
everyone was involved. They just had footage of them everywhere.

Speaker 13 (01:26:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
So these people just thought they were going about their day,
but there was just footage that proved– that was evidence, right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Yes.

Speaker 15 (01:26:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Great for crime fighting. Great for solving crime.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
So just the idea that you're walking around, let's say Christchurch, Auckland, Wellington, wherever,
and you're not being filmed. It's just not true.

Speaker 6 (01:26:38):
You are.

Speaker 17 (01:26:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:26:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
What do you say? Oh, 180, 1080.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
And I just had a look at the rules on
the police website when it comes to filming in a
public place. So it's generally lawful to take photos of
people in public places without their consent. However, you must
not film or take photos of people if they're in
a place where they can expect privacy, like a public
changing area, of course. You should not take photos of
people if they are in a place where they would
expect reasonable privacy and publication would be highly offensive. to

(01:27:03):
an objective and reasonable person. I mean, that's a little
bit loose. It has the potential to stop other people's
use and enjoyment of the same place. You have no
legitimate reason for taking the films or photos. I mean,
that's all pretty loose.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
I mean, how do you define what a legitimate reason is?

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
Oh, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
And then get this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
However, you can take or publish photos or film people
where there is no expectation of privacy, such as a beach,
shopping mill, park, or other public place.

Speaker 11 (01:27:28):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
Hi, Matt and Tyler. Dave here. I was an early
adopter and bought a pair of Meta glasses about two
years ago. The AI wasn't supported at the time, but
they were a heap of things you can do with them.
You can obviously take photos and videos, but you can
also take a photo and instantly message it to somebody. Additionally,
you can use the glasses to take phone calls as
they have seven speakers and microphones. They're perfect if you

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don't like earbuds or headphones. Being able to talk to
Meta and ask it to take a photo for you
while your hands are full with loved ones or other
things allows you to capture priceless moments. They're one of
the best gadgets out there. So there's the positive side
of it from Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
It does sell it. What do you say to Dave?
0800 80 1080. The MetaSmart glasses are here. What do
you reckon the privacy aspect should be?

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Tell us. It is 20 past three.

Speaker 14 (01:28:18):

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Call 0800 80 1080 on Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
22 past, three smart glasses.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Do you reckon they are problematic or it's just another
product that we're going to get used to?

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Craig, your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (01:28:33):
Yeah, interesting thoughts.

Speaker 19 (01:28:34):
I mean, I've been doing in the security camera business
for over 20 years and there's things we can do
and things we can't do as far as privacy goes.
But I'm not a complete expert, but there are glasses
out there which low vision people use and basically they
can look at signs or books or whatever and it'll
actually tell them what is actually written on the sign.
So they use that for that sort of stuff to
navigate around and stuff, which is quite a really cool idea.

(01:28:56):
But as far as these glasses go, I mean, I
think it's quite a stupid idea. I mean, you hear
online on the other news stations that people actually put
things over the little red lights so you can't tell
it's recording. But, yeah, there's always going to be weirdos
or nutjobs out there that are going to wear those
at parks or around schools and stuff filming kids, and
you don't need that. I mean, if you put your

(01:29:16):
phone out, you can tell you've been filmed, but in
a crowd of someone wearing glasses, you're not going to
know they're filming you. At least if they've got their
phone out, you've got a rough idea you've been filmed.
But I think it's stupid. I agree with what the
Australians are saying. We don't need this stuff. It's just
getting too carried away and stuff. We've already got Siri
on our iPhones that listen to everything, and you leave
your like I've got a friend of mine who's got

(01:29:36):
a couple of iPhones and he'll be talking about something
and he'll go and have a look on his emails
later on. He's got ads from companies advertising what he's
been talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
Yeah, well, further to what you said, Craig, about visually
impaired people, this is a text from Christine. Hey, they
are great for blind and visually impaired people. It gives
us so much freedom. They're also great if you're overseas
because they can translate signs. You look up at the
sign and you just say, what am I looking at?
And it will translate it into English for you. So

(01:30:06):
there are non-pervert uses for them, Craig.

Speaker 19 (01:30:10):
Yeah, but you can translate languages and stuff when you're
flowing anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
It's true. It's true. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
But I mean, it's like all these things though, right?
So if they help people, you know, like someone that's
visually impaired and they're helpful, then that's great.

Speaker 6 (01:30:26):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
But the question is why is that dude sitting on
the park bench wearing them that isn't visually impaired? That's
really the question.

Speaker 10 (01:30:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:30:34):
I can understand there are both sides of things. I mean,
I don't agree with the glasses, but the problem I
would see is if you do have people wearing them
doing not lawful things, you're going to get somebody coming
along who's visually impaired, who's got glasses on, navigating the world,
and they're going to get carded with the same brush.

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
Well, yeah. And the other thing is just what about people,
as I was saying before, that just wear glasses like
I do?

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Like you.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Give it another couple of years and all of a sudden.
Because Tyler was saying the glasses you wear are quite
similar looking. Very similar looking.

Speaker 24 (01:31:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Just a wee tap there and you're on camera.

Speaker 21 (01:31:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
All right, you're going to be targeted in a couple
of years, Matt Heath. 0800 80 1080 is the number
to call and 9292 is the text.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
A couple of texts before the headlines.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
Pervert Glasses is the perfect name. Keep pushing the term.
Can you two put your influence to good use and
both just agree that they're creepy and push that narrative?

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
You there yet?

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
I just think there's a lot of creepiness going on, though,
isn't there? And we've moved into a world where everyone...
has a camera and a video camera in their pocket.
That's a very different world. So anything that happens gets filmed.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
And that's before you put the layer of dash cams
and CCTV footage. So why does this feel so much worse?
Because it does. I can see exactly what everyone's saying.
It just feels worse that someone is just filming what
their eyes are seeing, just tapping it. You're not getting
your phone out. You're not doing anything. There's just something

(01:32:02):
a little bit, covert about it, I guess.

Speaker 14 (01:32:06):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Do you agree? 0800 80 1080. Where is this, Texas?

Speaker 6 (01:32:09):
G'day, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
My son has a pair of the Metaglasses, uses them
for his content on his lawn mowing account. Works a treat,
gets the point of view of exactly how the lawns
are looking and gets him satisfying videos to help promote
his business. Great use of the glasses, but then if
your son rocks down to a local beach.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
And it hits record.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
I mean, that's going from good use to creepy, is
it not? 9292, keep those texts coming through.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
Then only sell them through the Blind Vision Society, says Steph.

Speaker 26 (01:32:36):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
I could see a few loopholes there.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
I guess visually impaired people could make a bit of
money on the black market selling them.

Speaker 13 (01:32:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
And then get another pair.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
That's a win-win, isn't it?

Speaker 11 (01:32:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Yeah, good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Right, keep those texts coming through and taking your calls.
We've got full boards at the moment if you can't
get through.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Keep trying. The smart glasses, do you think they need
to be banned or nothing wrong with them? Tell us.
It is 27 past three.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
There is no expectation of privacy in public, perverts or not,
says this texter.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Is that right?

Speaker 9 (01:33:04):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Oh, no, OK, let's take this scenario, right? You're down
at the beach with your kids and you see someone
filming your kids.

Speaker 14 (01:33:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
I'll take umbrage at that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Then you're going to You're going to go them, aren't you?

Speaker 14 (01:33:16):
Yeah, heck yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
This is what the hell are you doing? Those are
my kids.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
There is an expectation of that kind of privacy. Even
if they can legally do it, there's an expectation if
you were filming someone's kids that someone's going to come
up and punch you in the side of the head.

Speaker 6 (01:33:31):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Yeah, yeah, the law of the street. What do you say, though?
It is 27 past three headlines with Raylene coming up.

Speaker 14 (01:33:38):
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Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Thank you very much, Raylene. It is 29 to 4,
and we're talking about these smart glasses. Do you have
a problem with these smart glasses becoming more popular, where
people can film at any time of the day they like,
pretty much wherever they like?

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
This text says, it's sad that we can't have nice
things because of creepy. It is like that, because if
you're not a creep at all, like I was just
saying to Tyler in the break when my son used
to swim, and his mum would say, oh, film him
if he was in the pool and he was racing.
I'd be like, I can't be.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
I can't be filming.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
Hell no.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Kids in the pool.

Speaker 24 (01:35:33):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:35:34):
Highly.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
And yet 100% innocent, but because there are some terrible
creeps around, other people can't just film their kids, you know,
swimming to send to their mum that can't be there
to watch the race.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
It is a sad part of it, but it is
just the way of the world, isn't it? Greg, your thoughts?

Speaker 10 (01:35:51):
Yeah, g'day, guys. How are you going?

Speaker 6 (01:35:53):
Good, man.

Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
Hey, look, um.

Speaker 9 (01:35:56):
I'm surprised that people are calling for them to be banned.
I mean, there is some legitimate uses. I actually have
a pair of glasses with a camera that I built myself.
They're not meta ones.

Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:36:12):
And the reason I did that is because I have
a YouTube channel where.

Speaker 17 (01:36:16):
I film what I do.

Speaker 9 (01:36:17):
I'm not going to say what it is because I
don't need all these haters coming onto my channel and
calling me creepy. But I film what I do, and
I needed two hands, so I just rigged up a
camera that I took out of a drone onto some
glasses so that I can have both hands working, you know,
and film.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
But if you saw that, that would look pretty clear,
wouldn't it, Greg? You'd be able to see the little
camera attached to it. It wouldn't be as sort of
covert as these ones.

Speaker 9 (01:36:44):
No, no, but you know what? I can buy a
set with a 4K camera, a covert 4K camera.

Speaker 10 (01:36:49):
From China for $ 100.

Speaker 12 (01:36:50):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:36:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:36:54):
So, you know, I mean, but.

Speaker 9 (01:36:56):
Look, I mean, you know, when are we going to
learn prohibition doesn't work? Look, there is creeps around and,
you know, there's no expectation of privacy in public. So
there's no problem there. Although you've mentioned a few scenarios
where the recording could be questionable. I mean, before you
mentioned about somebody at the beach filming, filming your kids.

(01:37:17):
I mean, how do you know they're filming your kids?
How do you know they're not filming the... the yacht
sailing down.

Speaker 17 (01:37:23):
The harbor or whatever, you know?

Speaker 26 (01:37:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:37:25):
Um, you know, you're, you're jumping to a conclusion, you know?

Speaker 10 (01:37:30):
Um, and, uh, I mean, look, they're not.

Speaker 6 (01:37:34):
A bad thing.

Speaker 9 (01:37:35):
People can do bad things with hammers and screwdrivers and
kitchen knives.

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
That's true.

Speaker 10 (01:37:39):
We're going to ban them too?

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Very good point.

Speaker 6 (01:37:41):
I mean, come on.

Speaker 9 (01:37:42):
You know, why does everybody out there hate freedom so much?
We're a bunch of communists.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
But is that freedom around the wrong way, Greg? There's
a lot of parents out there that would never put
their children on social media because... They don't want them
existing in that space because they're too young. Then they have, surely,
the ability to go out outside their home and go
down to the beach and have that sense of freedom
to not expect to be filmed or even think about
that there's a creep out there with these glasses on.

(01:38:08):
Surely that should be the expectation rather than someone buying
the product first.

Speaker 9 (01:38:12):
There's no expectation of privacy in public. Your expectations are
wrong if that's what your expectations are.

Speaker 10 (01:38:19):
Look, you can go on Shutterstock, right?

Speaker 9 (01:38:22):
And those stop video and photograph places, and you can
watch videos of people crossing pedestrian crossings and at the
beach and all sorts of things that people record and
put up there. All your listeners that are calling for
the banning have probably watched those videos. that are used
in all sorts of productions.

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
I just watched a video, Greg, the other day from 1986.
It was someone driving down Queen Street filming on a
VHS that they put up on YouTube. It was interesting
what it looked like. But they didn't get any permission
from those people.

Speaker 17 (01:38:54):
Are all those people creepy?

Speaker 10 (01:38:56):
No, they're not creepy.

Speaker 18 (01:38:57):
They're doing something.

Speaker 9 (01:38:58):
There is going to be some creeps out there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
But it's like Google Maps when they first started mapping
all those streets and they made a decision to blur out.
If they come across any person, they blur out faces
and they blur out anything they can identify people. Isn't
that kind of where we should be going with this, Greg,
that these cameras should be automatically blurring out faces?

Speaker 18 (01:39:20):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:39:21):
I guess that's something that would be worth considering. But again,
if you're in a public place, why aren't all these
people that are calling for it to be banned, why
aren't they going down to our major supermarkets and protesting
about the facial recognition that you walk through when you
walk in there?

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Is that creepy?

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
Yeah, I mean, I wonder what percentage of the population
is creepy, Greg. Because everyone's worried about creeps. I mean,
I don't know any creeps. Do you know any creeps?

Speaker 14 (01:39:50):
Remember, New World.

Speaker 9 (01:39:51):
New World took out an ad apologising to people over
COVID because they were asking them to remove their mask.

Speaker 17 (01:39:58):
So are they creepy?

Speaker 11 (01:40:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
I mean, there's a lot of grey in this, Greg.
That's why it's a good discussion. I mean, it's a
good question you raise, Matt Heath. What is the percentage
of creeps in New Zealand?

Speaker 6 (01:40:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Hey, guys, there was a guy down at our local,
speaking of creeps.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Yeah, OK, here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Because we do, we make a whole lot of decisions
in this world to stop what creeps are doing.

Speaker 8 (01:40:19):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
But I just don't know how many creeps there are.
So we need to have an audit on creeps.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
I think that's wise. I think that's sensible. Can the
IRD do that? No, maybe not. We need to set
up another ministry.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Is it 1% of people that are creeps?

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Could be as high as 10.

Speaker 6 (01:40:33):
Less.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
I don't know any.

Speaker 6 (01:40:34):
Hi, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
There was a guy down at our local nudist beach
that had a pair of those sunglasses on. I didn't
think anything of it, but it was strange. It was
the only thing he had on. Cheers, Keith.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Oh, that is good. That is good stuff right there.

Speaker 25 (01:40:50):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
Tyler, that's why a professional broadcaster reads the text first
before he reads them out.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
Oh, that was beautiful. Thank you very much, Keith. Keep
those sort of texts coming through. Right, it is 23
to 4.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
Back in a bow.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
Good on you, Keith.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
20 to 4, talking about smart glasses or the pervert glasses,
as the Aussies are calling them. I mean, are they
pervert glasses at this stage?

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Well, I'm just worried for us, glasses-wearing community, that we're
going to be, you know, everyone's going to look at
us like we're filming all the time. Just because bloody
Zuckerberg wants to make some cash out of glasses.

Speaker 6 (01:41:32):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
Next thing everyone I'm talking to goes, are you filming me?
This text says, and, like, this could mean two things,
this text. Would you like me to film you in
the toilet, Matt? Is that an offer?

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
It's quite forward.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Or is that pushback saying, would you like me to
film you on the toilet mat? Or is it, would
you like me to film you on the toilet mat?
I'm not sure if it's an offer or it's a
pushback on the idea that maybe these things are, I
don't know. I didn't seem to particularly pro them. I
think it's just an offer.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
I will say, can we get that text to the
creepy auditors just to confirm whether he's part of the
creepy brigade or not?

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
That's a good person to start with.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
G'day, James.

Speaker 23 (01:42:13):
Hello, how are you?

Speaker 8 (01:42:14):
Fine.

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
Very good, thank you for calling.

Speaker 18 (01:42:16):
You're good.

Speaker 23 (01:42:17):
I've been on the phone, but that guy you were
just talking about, or somebody saying about the creepy bouquet
you've got there, you wouldn't know if people were wearing sunglasses.
People used to be able to put something on without
any problems or any criticism. You know, you had your
sunglasses put on. I wouldn't know what I was looking for,

(01:42:38):
and I would be so offended if anybody had taken
my photograph... doing things, going with my children, grandchildren, anywhere,
because that's my family. If I choose to share it
with anybody, we'll take a family photo and it's done.
But I do not want my grandchildren being photographed by

(01:42:59):
some lechy old person who is, God only knows, having
a kick next to me. I'll be doing this to
undress them on the TV. you know, for their own sake.
I don't think it's necessary. Why in one case would
it be necessary to use them as a camera?

Speaker 19 (01:43:17):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
Well, okay, so they do have some applications. Like, for example,
if you're overseas and you can't read, you know, let's say,
for example, you're in Germany, so these glasses will translate
the signs for you.

Speaker 23 (01:43:33):
What's wrong with your cell phone?

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, pretty convenient. Maybe
you're riding along on a bicycle or something and you
need both your hands, Jane.

Speaker 25 (01:43:43):
Well, you most.

Speaker 23 (01:43:43):
Certainly do, but you should be concentrating on what you're doing,
not what you've done.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
With your glasses. Do you worry, Jane, that you don't
know when people are filming around and they might be
filming their kids or they might be taking a picture
and then they get you or they get your grandkids
in the shot as well? Do you worry about that?
Do you think that people taking photos should really zoom
in just on their family?

Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
No.

Speaker 23 (01:44:08):
Well, I go down close to where I live and
there's lots of sea and lots of seats and lots
and lots of families taking photos. I wait until they've
taken their shots. I don't want to go in front
of their shot. It's nothing to do with me and
they're nothing to do with... I just cannot think of
one reason it is necessary to have a camera in

(01:44:30):
your glasses It's just pathetic.

Speaker 11 (01:44:32):
All right.

Speaker 23 (01:44:33):
And they need to wear glasses in the sun.

Speaker 6 (01:44:35):
Because it's not.

Speaker 23 (01:44:36):
The only thing is because they want to take photos
of people. I don't know. What do you call that
thing down at Bondi Beach that they take photos and things?

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Taking photos of the birds.

Speaker 23 (01:44:48):
You didn't take a photo of that us, did you?
And they'd have to question it. And if they did,
they'd have to get rid of it. Because it's illegal
to do it. You did not get permission.

Speaker 10 (01:44:57):
To do it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:57):
Well, no, it isn't illegal, though. It is actually strangely.
But it should be. Yeah, well, I guess it would
be very hard to police it, though, wouldn't it, Jane?

Speaker 23 (01:45:06):
It's pretty hard to police the rights and wrongs of
people coming up your drive and looking in your windows, too.
But they're allowed to. They're allowed to take photos. And
I don't agree with that. I can't think of any
reason anybody sane-minded would actually need to use a pair
of sunglasses to take a B-photo.

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
Thank you for your call, Jane. Do you agree with Jane?

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Yeah, she's pretty strong on that. Hates the glasses, can't
think of a single reason.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
I mean, I think we can all agree that visually
impaired people that get some advantage from it, they can
be ruled out of the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's very legitimate.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
If it makes someone's life better who can't see very well,
then surely that's a totally different thing.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
No one's going to have a problem with that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
But I mean, with the filming of other people that aren't,
exactly your family what if it's a sporting event you
know do you have to go and ask everyone in
the crowd and every one of the parents and every
one of the kids that's running the 100 meters so
you can film your kid running 100 meters.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
It's complex isn't it what do you say oh 880
1080 is the number to call g'day.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Trevor hey guys how are you good man what's your
thoughts good Good.

Speaker 18 (01:46:15):
Listen, mate, I must say, Keith's text and his example,
that's definitely pervert glasses, isn't it? Laying on a beach
in a nudist colony, that is where you got onto
those glasses.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Telltale sign as well. You've just got the glasses on.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Anyone that's at a nudist colony that isn't meant to
be there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
A little bit suspect.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
Or a nudist beach.

Speaker 18 (01:46:38):
In fact, I think somebody's quite entitled to make a
little placard up and put behind him, pervert. But yeah,
I mean, it's all very interesting and time moves on
and progresses. But it's always struck me that people think
that they're allowed to take any photo of you. I mean,
to me, it's very a personal thing. I mean, I

(01:46:59):
remember years ago when you'd go to a family function
or a 21st and they'd have a cameraman there. I mean,
he would actually, a photographer there, he would actually say
to you, look, do you mind if I take a
photo of you? Are you okay with me taking a
photo of you? Can I put that person with you?
But now, I mean, these people that get on the
radio get really excited because I can go down the
beach and take photos of anyone I want. I'm allowed

(01:47:20):
to do that. To me, I just don't know. I mean,
I would never take a photo of somebody individually and
if I didn't ask them. I mean, I'm not right
into photos and things like that, but I just find
it incredible that somebody thinks I've got the right to say,
take me a photo of you, you're a bit flaco,
you're not looking too good, and they go and put
it on the internet.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. I mean, part of
it is the posting of it, right?

Speaker 14 (01:47:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
It's one thing someone taking a photo just for their,
you know, I'm not saying a pervert photo, but just
a photo of some people and you end up into it.
It's another thing when they.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Start posting it.

Speaker 14 (01:47:54):
Jared, Yes, g'day.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:47:59):
Good, good.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
So you just bought some Meta glasses or smart glasses?

Speaker 28 (01:48:04):
Yeah, the smart glasses, not Meta, so just a camera
and this kind of Alibaba type of one. And you
can see, if you know what you're looking for, it's
not hard to spot them. But not used for COVID purposes,
used for e-scooter riding to document any terrible drivers.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
Okay, so you're using them like a dash cam.

Speaker 28 (01:48:26):
Basically, yeah, and it gives me hands-free.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
Um could you not could you not attach a gopro
to your helmet jaron well yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:48:33):
Well it could but they're expensive and um it's in
the way i mean uh it's bulky i have a
secondary one on my chest which you can see so
just another small unit i mean.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
Do you catch, I mean, what do you do with
the footage if someone does something untoward when you're riding around?

Speaker 28 (01:48:52):
Well, you know, I had a driver the other day.
It looked like he tried to run me into a bus.
He stopped really quickly past me, stopped in a driveway.
I think it was deliberate.

Speaker 12 (01:49:03):
Wow.

Speaker 28 (01:49:04):
So I've got that on video. So it's for my
safety and just to document, you know, bad drivers. Every day,
the whole lot gets deleted. I also have a chest
rig where I could put a cell phone on. you know,
but it's just more convenient. But I don't, I respect
people's privacy. And look, there are cameras everywhere. I mean,
they have pens that have cameras. You have them in

(01:49:27):
all kinds of things. So, I mean, you're not going
to see that. But I know what to look for.
If I see someone around, I'll be observing behaviour, being ex-security. Yeah, so,
I mean, personally, I don't, I think the coolest, Good
on you, Jared.

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
So he's filming people for his own safety. He's running
two cameras on his e-scooter.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
Must be pretty dangerous out there on the old line.

Speaker 4 (01:49:54):
You'd want one going backwards, one going forwards.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
Yeah, cover all angles.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
Yeah. I mean, like I was saying before, dash cameras everywhere.
So dash cameras are just driving along the road, like
ingesting everything that's in their path.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
Yeah, that's legit. That's not pervy. Jared, thank you for
your call. Chris, what do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (01:50:12):
Well, g'day, gentlemen.

Speaker 26 (01:50:14):
Look, if I'm at a pub, I'm cool to be
around others being filmed. But if an individual films me
without my consent, I'd knock the glasses off and stomp them. Like,
businesses can film for group safety. If anything happens, they've
got video evidence of something that's gone wrong. But if

(01:50:35):
an individual films me, I definitely would have a crack.
The difference is the pub is... doing it for security
and that person's then doing it to me as an
invasion of me chilling out and recording me when I'm
just having a casual beer.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
Yeah you've been banned from some pubs in the UK
haven't they these classes for that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Reason yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:51:01):
I think it's a ridiculous thing that you should allow.

Speaker 14 (01:51:03):
People to record other people.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
It just seems so incredibly uncool as well that someone
would go out with these glasses on to a pub
when they're relaxing.

Speaker 6 (01:51:10):
Get a life.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
Who's the person that would do that?

Speaker 18 (01:51:15):
Kite, I know you are laughing, but there's people that
will do this.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
I don't think you can, Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
And, you know, that's the difference between if you want
to go and film on the street, you're allowed to
do that. You film on a beach, you're allowed to
do that. But a private business like a pub, there's
actually laws around that. So if you walk in with
the smart glasses into a pub and try and film.
the owner is likely to just grab you by the
scuff and say, get the hell out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
This text says, hey, guys, every time something new is
introduced to the population, there's always someone who gets on
their high horse and wants them banned. When electric vehicles
were introduced, someone wanted them banned because they were so quiet.
Now we have the glasses and someone wants them banned.
There are some out there who want AI banned, no
matter that it's proven many businesses have got more efficient
and increased productivity. Yeah, I mean, people do always want

(01:52:02):
the new thing banned.

Speaker 9 (01:52:03):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:52:04):
And I think part of me thinks that the horse
is already bolted and that you're being filmed absolutely everywhere.
I would just question the person that feels that they
need to do it. I totally understand if it's for
your business or something, that you need to film something
in your hands or you're visually impaired, whatever reason.

Speaker 17 (01:52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
But the person that thinks that they need to have
glasses on them just in case they need to film something,
that's a bit weird. Because it's already incredibly convenient to
get your phone out.

Speaker 6 (01:52:31):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Or GoPros, which already exist.

Speaker 10 (01:52:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
0800 80 1080 is that number to call. If you
want to send a text, 9292 is that number. It
is nine minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
everything in between.

Speaker 14 (01:52:45):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
Newstalk ZB. It is six minutes to four.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Hey, here goes someone that uses these metaglasses for good.
I use my metaglasses all the time. They work great
for taking photos slash videos of part numbers, permits, work
like applications or work methods etc much more convenient than
whipping out my phone as for in public i don't
really wear them but wouldn't have an issue it's public
we have no expectation within reason eg not in changing

(01:53:14):
rooms or sensitive places john.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Yeah it's a fair point and dennis kind of disagrees
matt and tyler camera glasses so what throw your camera
phones away if you feel so strongly about it uh
i still actually haven't used them yet i might now
have a neighbor with two cameras facing my place i
don't care i don't give them any interesting content none
It's from Dennis.

Speaker 7 (01:53:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
I mean, someone could be walking around with a top
hat with a camera in it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
I think I could spot that. If you come to
work with a top hat on, mate, and you're struggling
to stand straight.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
I mean, the glasses are more convenient, but what I'm
saying is there's so many different ways people could hide
cameras on them already if they really wanted to film people.
Briefcase cameras.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
Anyway, it's been an interesting conversation. Thanks so much for
listening and thanks for all your calls and texts. Heather
Duplessy-Allen is up next and she's got a GP and
member of the Health New Zealand Board and she tells
Heather how parents can get their under fives a free
flu vaccination this year. But Tyler, why am I playing
this 1986 song from Kenny Loggins?

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
What a tune. This was played in Top Gun, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
Is this because we had a great chat about that
flyover from South Africa? People were getting very upset that
it was too low, but Top Gun didn't care.

Speaker 14 (01:54:33):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Buzz the tower.

Speaker 14 (01:54:35):
I want butts.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
That's twice, goddammit.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
I can't remember the exact quote from the movie. But yeah,
they were flying into the danger zone, according to some people.

Speaker 6 (01:54:46):
What a tune.

Speaker 4 (01:54:47):
All right, you seem busy, so we'll let you go.

Speaker 12 (01:54:49):
Bless, bless, bless.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
I'm Matt Heath. That's Tyler Adams, and we'll be back
live on your radio from tomorrow afternoon. Until then, give
them a taste of Kiwi. Now, this is a tune.

Speaker 14 (01:55:36):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
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