Full Show Podcast: 02 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Very good Afternoons. You welcome into the show. It is
seven past one. I hope you haveving a fantastic Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
What age do you stop getting your kids at easter
eggs for Easter?

Speaker 4 (00:42):
That is a great question.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I just went on boughts a huge amount of Easter eggs. Yep,
like really expensive one not showing off well.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
There pricing now, I don't think it matters what you get.
They're all kind of pricey, especially if.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
You want to get a fancy one. And then it
just struck me that my son's nineteen years old. So
am I going to be hiding the eggs around the
yard fro him? I hope. So he's back from UNI
for the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah, so we eased to eat hunts for you, nineteen
year old.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
One of the most heartwarming things in any given year
when your kids are little is the hiding of the eggs.
And then waking up and running around and looking for them.
And then it's also frustrating because you put them in
places and they're too dumb to find them.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, I've got to direct them to it.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
They're up a ladder on the garage roof and they
and they can't find them.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, no amount of warmer, hotter, colder.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Actually, quite a few times I've been doing gardening over
the years and found Easter eggs that were just never found.
You know, you can get yep, your chocolate lasts. It does, yeah,
scrape off the whiteness and whole in. Yeah, put a
chocolate sitting in the garden for three years ago. Yeah,
it's a great quition.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
Though.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
How old is too old to give your kids the
Easter eggs? I don't think there is an age.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Generally, my parents don't give me any Easter eggs, But
I know a lot of people in their thirties and
forties and the appearance still drop off an Easter egg.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Really, Yeah, is that weird?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Are you listening?

Speaker 6 (02:01):
Dead?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
It was last time my dad got me an Easter egg.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
You better hurry dead, very good, right on to show,
because it is a Thursday that is kind of a
Friday for a lot of people ahead of Easter weekend
after three point thirty, the moment you're all wait for
New Zealander of the week, looking forward to that after
three o'clock when of a discussion about marriage, it seems

(02:24):
that it is becoming less appealing for younger generations as
people no longer see it as essential to adulthood. So
the story goes on to say, great independence, especially for women,
along with skepticism about traditional roles and the benefits of marriage,
has shifted attitudes people. Younger people now prefer long term
partnerships rather than tying than not.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Cowards, m cowards, laziness. They're not willing to make a
commitment and as a result, their lives are less meaningful.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I think there's something in that, you know, I like
it because a lot of these people are getting engaged
and then they say that's all I want to do.
I just want to get engaged and know wedding after that,
What is the sense in that you've taked a lot
of money for a ring, You've done what you need
to do, drop a knee followed up.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
It's a lack of commitment.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I think part of it is people are scared that
they're going to lose half their properties. But you know,
you've just got to roll the dice of life, you said,
nicely said, find someone you like and marry them.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Yeap, looking forward to that after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
After two o'clock, record breaking CEO pay is back in
the headlines, with one of New Zealand's top executives earning
a mass of seventeen million dollars, the highest on record.
So while much of that comes from performance based incentives
like shares and bonuses, it does reignite the debate about
how executive pay is structured and whether it truly reflects
company's success. So supporters say these payouts reward strong leadership

(03:47):
and aligned CEO's with shareholder interest, but critics argue the
gap between the top executives and everyday workers is growing.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, but these are private companies, right, so they can
choose to pay whoever they want, whatever they want. So
if they choose that's the right thing to do. If
it's not, then their company will suffer for it. But
if it's the right thing, then the company will advance.
It's a bit different. If people are you know, working
for public entities, private entity, then can't they decide basically

(04:15):
everything they want to do within the law. Yeah, you know,
what else are you going to regulate about them? You
know when you know how many people they employing, Yeah,
you know how much they pay their CEO. Surely that's
up to them, right, Yeah, we just have this this
culture hour of if someone's doing really well, then we
have to feel jealous and try and cut them down, yep,

(04:37):
rather than going, oh good on that guy.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
And why don't I get a slice of that which
is the girl? Yeah, so that's going to be an
interesting discussion after two o'clock. But right now, really looking
forward to this one. Let's have a chat about going
into space. This is after Artemis Too successfully blasted into
space about an hour ago with four astronauts on board,
lit by NASA. Of course, it was incredible to watch,

(04:59):
big crowds, big sides, big rocket, kind of nerve wracking.
As you mentioned a little bit earlier that there has
been some space adventures gone wrong.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, we've all seen the Challenger disaster. So when you
see those that rocket blasting up into the atmosphere, it's
so easy to picture it blowing up. Yeah, but it
didn't went perfectly. It did and It was sent shivers
down my spine. As I was saying before Tyler, I imagine
being around to watch in nineteen sixty nine, to watch

(05:31):
the Apollo mission, you first one to land on the Moon.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Imagine that you still hear people talk about it.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
That would be incredible because and what an audacious thing
it was to do to go to the moon. Yeah,
back then with the technology that they had. But personally,
I think it's awesome that they're going back to the moon.

Speaker 7 (05:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
It is weird though, because this whole mission is like
going back to Apollo eight nineteen sixty eight. Right, So
Apollo eight was the first orbiting of the Moon. So
this Artemist too, is just orbiting the moon. Correct, yep,
So that was the nineteen sixty eight Apollo eight mission
orbited the Moon and that was the first famous earth

(06:09):
rise picture. It's one of the most famous photographs of
all that's right.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, but it is fascinating. It's a little bit
like going back in time. But if the Atomist program
as a whole, so it's in phases. This is phase
two and as you say, Matt, they're up there ten
days and they're just going to orbit the Moon. But
Ultimately they want to set up a space station around
the Moon and develop technologies needed for deeper space travel,
with the ultimate aim of.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Using it as a stepping stone to get to mass.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
So we listen to the launch.

Speaker 8 (06:37):
Yeah, seven ounce supression, water is flowing, lifting, and here
we go ten nine eight seven rs, twenty five engines
four three two one booster, ignition and lift off. The

(06:57):
crew of Artemis two now bound for the Moon. Humanity's
next great voyage begins.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
They didn't now then it eat agree roll Roger ra Pitch.

Speaker 9 (07:14):
Houston now controlling the flight of Integrity on the Otemis
two mission.

Speaker 10 (07:18):
Round them high.

Speaker 9 (07:26):
Ye On time passing thirty seconds and the months Integrity
passes the ultimate ECON target milestone. As you control, Houston
seeing could performances space launch system course stage integrity three
miles in altitude, So.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
That thing cool thing weighs two six hundred tons when
it's fully fuelled liquid hydrogen and oxygen fuel. Very explosive obviously,
so ten day mission. So they're going to fang up
there for about four days, then pissed around the Moon
for a couple of days, then then come back. Very

(08:03):
similar to Apollo eight. As I said before, you've got
four astronauts on there. You've got Re, you got Victor,
you got Christina, and you've got Jerry up there.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Good on Christina on Jerry.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, yep, it's you know, imagine being strapped to that.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh been incredible when we're watching it live and just
thinking those four people in that little space rocket going
what was it ten thousand k an hour as were
blasting into space.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Miles and the thing is that, Yeah, as I said before,
you know you know that that that these have blown
up before. I mean, they've blown up on the ground before.
It's it's the guts, the bravery that you have to
be one of these astronauts. You know. It's just it's inspiring.
It's inspiring stuff, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
It certainly is. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
So, with the ultimate Artemis program in mind, that the
ultimate aim is to get to Mars and set up
a colony on that dusty red planet, is that money
well worth worth spending that we want to be a
multi planetary species to protect humanity if something to happen
to this planet, is that that's something that we are

(09:11):
behind and pumping that money into. And these incredible feats
of scientific endeavor. Is that worthwhile?

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, yeah, I mean that's a good question. It's a
lot of money. But asteroid strikes, super volcanoes, engineered pandemics,
you know, these these aren't the most likely things of all,
but if they do happen high consequence, you know, complete
extinction events are quite quite possible.

Speaker 7 (09:39):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
And so you could argue that getting to Mars. And
as you said, this setting up on the moon is
you know, a base camp to get into Mars. That's
part of the plan. It's it isn't You could argue
it's not not a luxury, it's not We're not just
wasting money. It's it's insurance for the existence of humanity
going going forward. You know, you don't wait until your

(10:03):
houses is on fire before you buy a second one.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
That doesn't makes sense fire extinguisher.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Most of us don't have two houses just to spare
on it. That's a bad analogy that I came up with.

Speaker 11 (10:17):
It.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
But you have insurance, so that's your plan. B So
of the house burns down, you've got your back up
plan with insurance.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah. So, I personally think that humanity is fantastic. We're
capable of amazing things. Just the technology to get to
the moon. Really, as far as I'm concerned, proves our worth,
but also our capability for art and love. And as
I said, our brain is the most complicated thing in
the known universe yep, and so be a total disaster

(10:46):
if we didn't have any humans anymore. So I think
being intoplanetary is a sensible thing to do. I imagine
if the asteroids were coming again like they came for
the dinos, and we're sitting on Earth going, Oh, that's
the end of all of it.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, that's it, And it will it will at some stage.
It might be in a thousand years, might be in
a million years, it might be in a billion years.
But I think scientists will say that the likelihood of
that happening at some stage is highly likely. But what
do you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty do
you fizz on the idea of us becoming a multi
planetary species? Do you think this is a fantastic use
of money considering what's going on, or if you do

(11:24):
think it is a bit too much, still king to
hear from you, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number four nineteen ninet two is the text,
it is eighteen past one.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
This Texas says we can't even afford to build a
Dunedin hospital and we're trying to send people to the
morning again.

Speaker 12 (11:36):
Oh not the Dnata hospital.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I don't know if the Denean hospital budget was in
the same budget as the NASA budget.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, NASA's not going to pay for that. Back in
a bow.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 4 (11:53):
Be It is twenty past one.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
So today's Atomis two launch is part of the plan
to set up infrastructure on the Moon to use as
a stepping stone to then set up a colonization on Mars.
So how essential is it for humanity to become a
multi playlanatory species. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighties number
to call Greg.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Your thoughts on into planetary humanity.

Speaker 13 (12:16):
Surely this is insanity the amounts of money that it
would cost to colonize Mars. Surely that money can be
spent on the perfectly good planet that we're already sitting
on to cause, you know, to cure whatever problem that
we're facing. What were you talking about planet color asteroid

(12:37):
coming to Earth and sort of wiping us all out.
I understand what they're doing now. We need rockets and
things like that to maybe shoot down an asteroid or
deflect it, or use gravity to pull it aside, you know,
So that technology that they're using now can be used
for that thing. But to actually conalize Mars just doesn't

(12:57):
surely it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well, you've got to start at some point, right, So,
like a lot of technology, I mean, it was insane
to people that we would be able to go to
the Moon in the first place, when it was when
Kennedy was talking about at nineteen sixty one at Rice University,
and then just by the end of that decade they
had people on the Moon. So if you believe that

(13:19):
it's a possibility that a super volcano or an asteroid
or whatever events some kind of horrific disease or something
could kill everyone on Earth, then don't you want to
get started early greg trying because because you learn a
lot of lessons on the way trying to do something
that that seems impossible.

Speaker 13 (13:35):
And that's why I don't have a problem with what
they're doing now, because that is we are going to
learn from these rockets going to the Moon and things
like that. But to actually follow through and look at
color the Mars thing as a step toroo far from me,
it would be trillions and trillions of dollars. What are
they going to do build a giant bubble because his
home atmosphere on Mars. Surely that's going to be wiped

(13:55):
out by an asteroid a lot easier than what.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
We are maybe ye possibility, yeah, yep, but that is
this possibility.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I mean, the idea is that that that you go.
You know, you have the resources up there, you go
up there, You've got a lot of autonomous activity up there.
They bring things together, and the first people that live
up there won't be coming back, that's for sure, and
they'll be living a pretty grim lifestyle they'll be living.
It'll be similar to being in a submarine the whole time.

(14:23):
And the Earth would have to get pretty bad before
it's as bad as Mars, like we would. You know,
people worry about pollution on Earth. There is it would
have to get terrible down here before it was even
anywhere within the ballpark of how bad the atmosphere is
for humans on Mars.

Speaker 13 (14:39):
You'd be sick of the color after a short while, you.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Certainly would, But what about you know, just on the
colonization is one thing, but also this is the next frontier.
I mean, we as humans do we just stop exploring
because that is the next step, right? And then if
Mars is the aim this time, it doesn't stop at Mars,
does it. It keeps going and going and going. And
yes it's going to cost a lot of money, but
isn't that ingrained in the human experience that we keep

(15:04):
going forth.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
There's so much we don't know.

Speaker 13 (15:06):
I agree, but I think we can explore without that
goal of colonizing somewhere else. You know, we can send
up robots too, and these amazing machines that they build
now get to go to the next planet and land
on the next planet, and it is mind blowing. You know,
valtcrow and w D forty was invented by NASA when
they were going to the moon. So who doesn't love

(15:27):
NASA just for those two things. But to actually look
at colonizing that part is just a step too far
from me. I watched follow Neil Degress Tyson and just
he glows me, well off all these stupid facts and things,
and he's he's against it as well, because he is

(15:47):
surely the amount of money you're going to spend colonizing there,
you can fix whatever problem you have here is.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
But we just want that. That's the thing with humans,
as we won't we'll spend it on something else. The
idea that because I've seen him talking about it, but
the idea that you're going to sort of be able
to motivate people to spend that kind of money on
fixing boring problems down here, I just don't think they'll
do it. I think I think, as Tyler was saying,
is that humans are explorers. You know, we're hugely motivated

(16:16):
by the excitement. I mean, you think about crossing oceans.

Speaker 13 (16:19):
And it's almost an ego thing, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, Well but it's what it's got us out of
the caves, right, That's what it's got us forward. We
always need to do the next thing. Unfortunately that has
also got us nuclear weapons, which may be the reason
why we have to leave.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, but just on that note, Greg, there's always got
to be problems, right is. I've heard that argument so
many times that we should be pumping money into fixing
things here. And you can do that ad nauseum, but
there's always going to be something. This idea of utopia
I don't think really exists, So why you are trying
to fix what you can here. You've still got to
do incredible things outside, you know, outside what people think

(16:58):
is possible, don't you.

Speaker 13 (17:00):
And that's why I applaud what they're doing now to
go around the moon and just just to do a
little bit of exploration and get these rockets, and they
are pushing boundaries now.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
But yeah, just for.

Speaker 13 (17:11):
Me that Colin I I can't even say the word
colonization as just that step too far, you know.

Speaker 9 (17:19):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Greg was just going to say, because about four thousand
texts come and say, you muppets, they never went to
the moon? So Greg, do you do you believe that
they went to the moon in nineteen sixty nine?

Speaker 13 (17:29):
My wife, my wife and I have heard this discussion.
She just says that just to wipe me.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Up, it was going to come through on this discussion.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
We were just waiting for it. At a point in
my life, I believe that we didn't go to the
moon because I watched a bunch of documentaries, read a
bunch of stuff. But there's always there's always an answer
to every one of the example pieces of evidence that
people put forward that we didn't go there. There's always
a really good piece of argument that there's really good evidence.
That's when you when you watch the right YouTube video,
you can be completely convinced. But then if you start

(18:00):
researching every the you know, the pushback on each one
of those points, the pushback is terror forms the argument.

Speaker 13 (18:07):
Yeah, my my my mate actually met buzz buzz older
and wow when you know, on a holiday and in Australia,
and he actually watched him get in this massive argument
with someone and nearly dicked the guy because I think
that's what the guy said to him.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Because famously buzz Aldren did punch someone for saying it.
I'm not maybe not in that situation, but he famously
did punch someone at one point for.

Speaker 13 (18:32):
Saying, my mate watched the head you know, he did
the argument. How are you gonna how are you going
to argue against the guy that actually did it?

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah, I think it was a pretty angry guy.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Buzz wasn't he was he had a bit of a
drinking problem past post moon and lost a bit of money,
had a few wives, but he was the first person
to take away on the moon. That's the hell I
think because Lance was first down the ladder and the
buzz was like in his head. He was like, I'm
going to just I'm going to have the first person
and he just weed in his space, so he would
always have that.

Speaker 13 (18:59):
Yeah, go for the fil crow. That's all I can say.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Good on Greg much. So do you agree with Greg?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
That exploration all good, going further than we've ever been before,
but colonization of Mars a step too far?

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Nineteen ninet two text.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Hey guys, this is a tech investment. If you want
to talk about wasting money, look at the wars in
Iran and Ukraine. Billions on bombs that bring nothing but
death to fellow man.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, fair points. Keep those teas coming through. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
To call the myth and tropes.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Ah, they're coming through.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Would losing humanity be bad thing? If you don't like humans,
then I don't like you as an individual human because
I love humanity.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yep, it's a good thing. Right. Twenty eight past one
back very.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Shortly the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic
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Speaker 14 (19:50):
The increasingly sticky FTA deal with India's even first of
course are out, so labor are batter up in terms
of numbers, but they've got a letter containing issues that
trade man as Damian O'Connor, you're sort of there, aren't
you really?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
I mean, we're not that far apart.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
This is too big a deal to cock up in
the long term.

Speaker 15 (20:03):
You know, there's a commitment to best effort.

Speaker 10 (20:05):
It's not an absolute commitment.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
We get that, but we.

Speaker 15 (20:07):
Need something explanations to what happens if in fifteen years
time we haven't invested thirty three billion New Zealand dollars
in India, what will that mean for exporters who might
have committed money less money than that, but money to
the Indian market. So these are questions that we would
have asked through the process had we been consulted.

Speaker 14 (20:25):
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Speaker 4 (20:30):
Twenty nine to two. Plenty of texts coming through on
nineteen nine two.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Mining is the real reason for space travel? Now? No
protesters on the moon? Betterstrick? What is the anti mining
lobbies views on mining? The on Mars. It's too beautiful.
It's too beautiful. You cannot you cannot mine for precious minerals.
What about tourism, hey, fellers, maybe they need to set
up a base on Mars is because of the geophysical

(20:54):
events that occur on Earth at regular basises. This text
to look into the magnetic pole shift and the book
The Adam and Eve Story by Chan Thomas. Most of
humanity will be wiped out. Survivors could colonize Mars and
return to Earth later. Well, that's that's the idea. With
the interplanetary situation. We don't know what could befell one
before one planet.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
It might just be a crazy disease. Yeah, that kills everyone.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Super volcano. I mean, there's a lot there in the list.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, we might just nuke everyone. But as as crazy before,
if you it would take a lot for the surface
of Earth to get as bad as what it is
on Mars. Yeah, certainly it's pretty rough up on Mars.
You will be living in a bubble bubble. Yeah, for
the foreseble future. Hey guys, When I was growing up

(21:42):
after the Challenger incidents, NASA was no one with the
acronym need another seven astronauts. I remember that. There's quite
a few jokes about that.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeah, too soon, too soon.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
What is the modern day acronym for the space race
ch is adjacent. I'm not sure what that is.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Certainly does feel like another space race, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
As you said before, China are making some moves to
get into that space arena, and obviously the US back
into it now with Gusto.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
And let's listen to this one. This is a horrible one.
Would losing humanity be such a bad thing? No, poverty, crime, illness,
and depression. I can already imagine calm and peace in
our uniform with the universe without humans. The idea of
humanity having to be physical and not just spiritual is
quite selfish. His humanity is important for creating life and
new consciousness, but also allows for pain in such a
broken world. Yeah, but Yin and Yan, you know, there's

(22:36):
no love without hate, there's no joy without suffering. That
that's the way it is. Yeah, that's the way it
is to be human. And who would write the poems
describing this peaceful, this peaceful universe? Yeah, you know, that's
one of the tragic things about the dinosaurs, right, they
ruled the world for a very long time, but no one,

(22:58):
no being was conscious of it.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
No one was writing about it, no poetry from the dinosaurs,
No one was building anything.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
They weren't making anything.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
One day they looked up and saw an asteroid, looked
back down. Yeah, eating whatever. They're eating whatever of the
dinosaurs they're reading. And then they disappeared and they didn't
care that they were there, and they didn't care that
they were gone.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Poor buggers. Teresa Park was a great movie though, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so that but we made that, I suppose.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah we made that.

Speaker 16 (23:22):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Dinosaurs can take no dinosaurs can take no credit for that.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
So how do you feel about humans becoming a multiplanetary species?
Is this money worth spending or do you have some reservations?
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how New Zealand's urging people to get vaccinated before winter hits.

(24:42):
It's recommending vaccinations against COVID nineteen, hooping cough and influenza,
which is free for available groups including over sixty fives
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at enzed Herald Premium. Now back to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Thank you very much, Wendy so Beckham to our discussion
about going into after Artemis too, successfully blasted into space
about an hour and a half ago with four astronauts
on board. The ultimate plan for the Artemis program, it's
going to be in phases, is to set up infrastructure
and a colony on the Moon to use as a
stepping stone to get to Mars. So is that a

(25:24):
worthwhile endeavor for us as a human species?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
He on makes a good point about what I said
about buzz Aldron before. Thanks. Then he can't really say
he was the first person to WII on the moon.
Maybe the first person to wei his pants on the
moon hasn't really got the same ring to it. He
should have pulled his pants down. He could have been
the first person to moon on the moon. That's a
good point.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, yeah, nicely said. He makes some good.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Points, And I have actually always thought about that with
buzz Aldroom when he says that you you know, you
just weed your pants. Yeah, you were just the first
person to wear your pants on the moon. Yeah, it's
not quite the claim you think it is. NASA did
not invent valcrow, neither did they invent teflon. There was
there was a lot of a lot of things invented
by the Apollo missions. That wouldn't have come about, and

(26:10):
Tyler's looking them up. But the cafe read tube took
huge advancements. Thince v Nessa.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yep, did Lance Armstrong pass the drug.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Test to go to the mood? I'm surprised. Yeah it
was Neil Armstrong, but I get your point. Just Lance
Armstrong would have struggled.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, just quickly on what NASA did invent memory, foam,
water purification, cordless tools, freeze dried food, infrared thermometers, space blankets,
which obviously we use as survival blankets now. And the
list goes on and on and on. I mean, the
minute technological advances that around so many things now that
if I said the name, you'd say, what is that?

(26:46):
But is used in daily life? I mean, they've invented
a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Species eventually go extinct, and humans are a species that
has been around for a relatively short while, and our
extinction will inevitably happen Mars or no Mars. Yeah, but
let's keep it going as long as we can.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
We've got to try, surely, we've got to try to
keep it going.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
I mean, I'm eventually going to die, and I wouldn't
mind getting a few more days in before it happens exactly.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Get a Aaron.

Speaker 18 (27:09):
Hey, look, I don't know whether this is an urban myss,
but I don't think I don't think this apparently, and
they're polymicians and things. NASA spent a great deal of
money trying to make trying to for ballpoint pens for
zero gravity and to make them work and do the
bits of people. I've did this, and and Russia used

(27:30):
the pencil.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yes, yeah, I've heard that. There's and there's that's that's
a great, great, great one. Have you ever seen the Sputnik.
I went to the Sputnik exhibition in London, and I
never realized at the time when they were firing around
the Earth and Sputnik, there's no windows. They were just
basically inside a cannon ball being fired around the whole

(27:52):
The whole Russian space thing was really really basic.

Speaker 18 (27:56):
And and my android phone has got more technology on
it than that.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
It's quite incredible. But you know, I've read a lot
about this in the past. And when the Sputnik, you know,
or orbiters were flying around the wood, the Americans were
terrified because they were in the middle of the Cold War,
and people were looking up and seeing these Russians being
so much more advanced than than America was. They freaked
out to the point where they just really you know,

(28:22):
accelerated the space mission. That's kind of what's happening now.
It's no coincidence that China is talking about the moon
and suddenly America is very motivated to get the moon again.

Speaker 18 (28:30):
Yeah, let's China's got pencils.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
I'd love to know if that was true, that story.
I've heard it.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah, yeah, whether that's an uber myth or not. Nine
two nine two, if you know, keep those teas coming through,
and we're taking your calls on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty Loel.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Matt, you referred to Lance instead of Neil and talking
about buzz talking the first words on the moon have
lessen bad. I bet I did too, I bet I did?

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Easy mistake Lance? Neil?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, who was the greater hero? Lance or Neil Armstrong?
Who did more for humanity?

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Lars was going well for a while there, you know,
he had a good run, great run. Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
So going into space to colonize other planets? Is that
a worthwhile endeavor for humanity? Or do you think it
is a waste of money? Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? It is eighteen to two.
We'll be back very surely.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
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everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons with Skoda.
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Speaker 4 (29:35):
That'd be there's a quarter to two.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
So we're talking about NASA's ultimate plan to colonize Mars.
They're doing it in phases with the Artemis program, with
a successful launch of Artemis two today, which will see
four astronauts go all bit around the Moon for ten
days as part of that plan to eventually settle on
the Moon to use as a steppingstone to get to Mars.
So is that a worthwhile endeavor? Do we want to
see humanity become a multiplanetary species? Oh, eight hundred eighty

(30:00):
ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two ninety
two is the text number?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Hi, guys, complete waste of money to try and get
to the Moon for the first time. See, I think
that's wrong. I think that's a horrible way to look
at it. I think going to the Moon the first
time was such a great thing for humanity and how
proud people felt to be humans that humans could could
do that. Yeah, I just I feel like the general
feeling for all of humanity. It lifted everything. That just

(30:27):
showed how far people could push, you know, and what
amazing things people could achieve. So I think I think
it was money well spent going to the moon last time.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Here the ramifications from going to the Moon during what
was a period of you know a lot of anxiousness
and conflict. I mean that turned things around.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
You know by the time they got to Apollo seventeen.
You know, people went so interested. But you know Apollo,
you know, Apollo nine, Apollo eight, how bloody good?

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah? Absolutely? Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call New Kim. How are you mate?

Speaker 19 (31:05):
Good friends? Yeah, I'm just thinking, like you'd ask owned
the space that I was just thinking, like I said, uh,
it would be good if we're try We're gonna try
our hardest to get on with each other as the
star wars. You know, we seem to be good at
being mean and bad and evil to each other rather

(31:25):
than getting on to the worldwide you know, you imagine
how much further we would be in space. The whole
work together and just did it.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
I think though, because I think if you looked at
humanity from the outside, we do have the odd skirmish
and we have the odd war, but generally we're pretty
good at getting on together. If you look at a city,
we all drive on the same side of the road.
You hardly ever see people fighting on the streets. Compared
to most other species that ever lived, humans are pretty
pretty peaceful and loving. I think there's a good chance

(31:54):
of aliens looking down at us, they'd go, oh don't
they look at them, and they all seem to get on,
get on pretty well.

Speaker 10 (32:01):
Yeah, they're gold.

Speaker 19 (32:03):
We could, you know, like these little walls we got here.
You know, it's just it's just sad people each other
so much as they want to kill each other until
they're gone, you know.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, thinking you call nucim neukem, Yeah, and youukem.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
It's a great name, Nukem.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah. But we don't want a new com Oh.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
No, definitely don't want to do that. No, no, we
don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
You doesn't want us to ukem. Yes, for sure, Thank
you very much.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Keep those calls coming through A nine to ninety two.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
The potential strength of mental and physical pain and suffering
in human life far it waits the potential strength of
happiness and pleasure. Therefore, if given the choice, you should
choose not to be born. Wow, you don't have a
great life. I reckon on the whole the most people.
I mean, there's people that will always winge, and there's
people that have terrible lives yep. But overall, if you

(32:49):
look at humanity and don't see the worth of it,
then I feel very very sorry for you.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, because what's the point, you know, if you're in
that mindset, I can't understand there are self hating human
You are a human. Clearly you've had elements of joy
happen to you.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Hope. Do you not love any other humans? Yeah? Humans?

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, there are plenty of great humans.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Of my life, has no human made you laugh? If
you've never wondered at the achievements of other humans, If
you've never supported a sports team and a stadium full
of people, yep, you know. If you were there in
twenty fifteen when Grant Elliott smashed that six over long
on to get us into the final of the Cricket
World Cup. Boy howdy, I mean if you could the

(33:34):
love in that stadium, pure joy, how could you not
love humanity when you saw the love in that state?

Speaker 4 (33:39):
That is a great example. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty see number to call NINEX.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
This moon thing is is all Elon Musk with NASA
stealing the credit. Elon is South African, so it's not American. Well,
NASA is getting there, getting them to the moon, and
then SpaceX is going to land them on the moon
when they go and then get them back up to Artemis. Yeah, collaborations,
it's a full collaboration. Ted, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (34:05):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 20 (34:08):
Think it's I think it's inevitable that humans, you know,
human beings will move into space. You know, we are
species of explorers and it's something that you know, is

(34:28):
I guess it's built into us and space is kind
of like the final front here.

Speaker 21 (34:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (34:37):
The interesting thing will be, you know when we have
colonies on the Moon and Mars, you know how they
both you know, well those colonists who were born on
the Moon and Mars look at earths.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean probably fondly for a very long
time as they sit in their bubbles and and they
get pictures of people swimming in oceans and breathing air
and animals running around in the wild and start so
I reckon for a very very long time. The colon
the colonies on Mars will think Earth looks pretty pretty

(35:18):
damn good. Yeah, because it is pretty damn good.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
It's a beautiful planet we've got here.

Speaker 21 (35:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (35:24):
Still come a time when there will be colonists.

Speaker 22 (35:28):
That have never been to Earth.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, how will they look at
as at our muzzle leland.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, it'll be interesting. It'd be ironic if they then
got into a dispute with us. It was it was
them that wiped us out.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
We can't let that happen, right, one hundred and eighty
ten eighties number to call back very shortly. It is
eight minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Matd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty eight. It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
News talksb news talks. There'd be it is six to two.
Plenty of texts coming through on nine two ninety two
about the idea of us becoming a multi planet species.
This one says, Okay, guys, if we are looking at
alternative options to live in outside of Earth, it would
actually be cheaper and safer to create large orbital habitats
that can be built and installed in our outer atmosphere

(36:18):
along with our space stations and satellites. Having these available
gives humanity an option to escape Earth quickly and easily
if we need to, still, with the option to return
to the Earth at any time.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
That's from Paul.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
But the idea of where you know, where we're picking,
where we're going is where we can get large water sources,
large frozen water sources, So you know, if you're having
to run part pipes up to these pods, then problematic. Yeah,
but again I don't know. Maybe you can form a
fully functional, big enough biosphere that it all works out, so.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Potentially, Yeah, and just quickly this one get our guys.
Look at the human and financial cost for the Panama
Canal about twenty five thousand lives and four hundred million dollars,
which was substantial, but it was developed and changed the
world in humanity for the better. We can't give up train.
We must go further.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Okay, I've been thinking about this and I think the
launch today and the push to go into planetary and
set up on Mars, it isn't about escaping Earth. It's
about protecting humanity's future with all our love and art
and hopes and dreams. And if we can build even
a small, just a little, itsy bitsy colony there, we
go from one planet species to a two planet species,

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which changes everything about our long term survival. It would
mean the biggest leap of our great species since we
first explored the oceans, and it's the kind of thing
humanity could be proud of, proof we can still do hard,
ambitious things that inspire young people to work hard and
create amazing things and do incredible things with their life.
And the tech we build to survive on Mars and

(37:48):
to get there would come back and.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
It would improve life for all of us.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
As Tim said our last caller, at its core, the
space race is simple humans explore and Mars is our
next frontier. So I say give them a taste of humanity,
nicely said mate.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Thank you to everybody who called antiques on that discussion,
really enjoyed.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
It's on ten days time.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Artemis two will be back here with a heck of
a lot of information and Artemis three is due to
launch next year, so we'll see where this project goes.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
And this of course it of course it all go
tips up and they die out there.

Speaker 16 (38:24):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Potentially good y Yeah, yet we just don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
But more to come on that story as the months
and years go on. Coming up after two o'clock, we
want to have a chat about CEO salaries, new information
and the Herald today. So the question we've got for
you is are those salaries justified or is executive pay
in New Zealand getting out of hand? Eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nineteen
nine two is the text. News is next, the.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon Squid
Scudder News Talk said the.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Turn on your Mike, Tyler, very good afternoon to you.
Welcome back into the show. It is seven past two,
so good to have your company on this Thursday afternoon
ahead of an Easter weekend for many people around the country.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Have you got me an Easter egg or anything? Tyler?
I mean, I've eaten all my hot cross buns? Did
you get me?

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Do you bring anything in?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Did you give me a bite of that beautiful looking
hot cross bun that you smashed in butter?

Speaker 8 (39:32):
And?

Speaker 4 (39:32):
I mean you demolished that in record time.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I think I've eaten a record amount of hot cross
buns this season. I've I've been on a frenzy. I've
been on a just a hot cross bun, just a mission,
been punishing those daily bread ones.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Do you like chocolate bunnies? A? Yeah, okay, Well I
might or might not have a wee surprise for you
later on. Oh really maybe maybe really, I'll just see
if I remember to bring them.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
He run loves the wee chocolate bunny. All right, Okay,
so there you go. It's something a little treat into
the Easter weekends. Right, let's get into the discussion. It
was in the Herald today. Record breaking CEO pay is
back in the spotlight, with one of New Zealand's top
executives earning a massive seventeen million dollar package that is
the highest on record. His name is Gary Miles and

(40:21):
he runs gen Track. But where While much of that
comes from performance based incentives, like shares and bonuses. It
is reigniting debates in some quarters about how executive pay
is structured and whether it truly reflects company successes. Supporters
they say these payouts rewards strong leadership and aligned CEOs
with shareholder interests, but critics argue, as they always seem to,

(40:43):
that the gap between the top executive pay and everyday
workers is growing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
I find this is always an interesting article because just
because someone's getting paid a lot doesn't mean that you
it makes any I mean, someone can get paid a
lot and you can get paid what you get. Just
because they're getting paid lot doesn't mean it's coming out
of your wages, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah, a lot of envy there, I think.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah. And you know, if a board of directors and
a shareholder base decide that that's how much they want
to pay a CEO in a private company, then that's
the decision that they've made, right, Yeah. I mean what
else would you want to regulate within a company how
many employees they've got, how much they play all their employees.
I mean you can do that within the government agencies,

(41:24):
public sector and such. Sure, you could have a look
at that and go that person's getting paid too much.
But if you don't like how much someone's getting paid
in a company, don't buy their products. And if you
don't like working for a company where the CEO gets
paid too much, don't work for another company.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
I think there is a bit of that.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Look when I'm going down this list of top ten,
and like you, when I saw that story this morning
and Gary Miles seventeen million dollars and he works for
gen Track, I thought good on him. Clearly that company
is going very well and he's doing a lot of
good things. Number two is a guy called Dave Bordelasi.
He's the head of a two milk company. But here's
where I start to potentially have some questions. These are

(41:59):
private companies. So number seven is Vittoria Short, the head
of ASB Bank. Number eight is Dan Huggins, the head
of ben Z Bank. Number ten Antonia Watson, the head
of A and Z Bank. So here's that's why I
start to have a few questions when it comes to
the bank CEOs. And I'll get some pushback here, but

(42:20):
as someone who is a customer of one of those
particular banks, and most of us are in New Zealand
and seeing the profits that they bring in, and they
are welcome to those profits. In fact, it's a good
thing because it means those banks are doing well and
they're not going to collapse in my money is safe
and the mortgages is going to be there, and so
everything runs smoothly. But I can understand people look at

(42:42):
those sort of salaries when they are with a particular
bank and feel that they are getting squeezed a little
bit and we don't get the same deal as our
mates over in Australia, and that resentment just starts to
bubble away under the bottom there. Whereas gin Track, I
don't really know what they do. I know roughly what
they do. It's a technological company. But I don't have
any interest in gin Track. I don't use their services.

(43:04):
So I look at that and say, well done, make
fantastic seventeen millions. Things seem to be going well the banks.
Hey do you want to throw me a bit of
a bone as well?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Okay maybe, but why don't you take your money and
go to a bank with the CEO with the lower pay.
And then if enough people did that and it became
a factor in their profits, that people didn't like to
be at a bank where the CEO gets paid so much,
then they were the border directors will go, actually, we're
paying our CEOs too much, right, But if it materially

(43:33):
affected the amount of money they were making, which is
why most businesses exist, then if the size of the
CEO package was a turn off for customers, then then
they'd probably look into it.

Speaker 23 (43:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Does it change that most of the banks, so I've
mentioned three banks their ASBB and Z and A and
Z Westpac. I'm sure is in the list somewhere that
that covers eighty five ninety percent of the banks that
operate in New Zealand minus the building societies. Does that
come into it that you don't have too much of
an option to say, look, I don't actually like how

(44:08):
much your CEO is getting paid, or take my money elsewhere,
good luck, because they all get paid good Do you.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Just look around everywhere and go like, I'd love to
hear people's thoughts Thatslway one hundred and eighty ten eighty,
rather than Tyler and I just having our thoughts on it.
But do you just look at everyone?

Speaker 21 (44:24):
So?

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I mean, I don't look at Ardie's severe and go
I'm angry at him. He gets paid more than me.
I go, he gets paid more than me because he's
really really good at playing rugby and he works really hard,
and he's got where he's got because of natural talent,
and you know, great. So I don't look at him
and go I'm annoyed he gets paid more than me.

(44:45):
Why would I look at a CEO and go, I'm
annoyed they get paid more than me. Why would I
look at anyone and go they get paid more than me.
Why wouldn't I look at someone that gets paid less
than me and try and help them out?

Speaker 4 (44:55):
You know what I mean? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:56):
The six is my wife and I work very hard.
Met you're saying our work isn't worth the same as
some asshole CEO from a public private school. Well, I
didn't say any about an asshole CEO.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
I mean they're putting words in your mouth there.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
If they're an asshole CEO, then I'm probably not a
big fan of them. That's a good point. But no,
but it's not me that decides how much you get paid.
So you Mett, you're saying our work isn't this isn't
worth the same. I don't get to say what you
get paid. So maybe I if I was in charge
of deciding how much you get paid, and you were
amazing and you're producing a lot, and you had a

(45:30):
lot of responsibility, I might go, yeah, yeah, you deserve
to get paid a lot. But now I don't not
charge of that one.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah, fair point.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
What do you say, though, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty do you care one iota how much public sector
CEOs get paid?

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Public sixt private, private?

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Sorry I said public, private sector. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
That's a good clarification. Do you care how much private
sector CEOs do get paid? Do you think there is
some ructions with some of their workers with that gap growing,
or do you think they have an incredibly hard job
and if the board wants to pay them that much,
then they deserve it. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Nineteen ninet two is
the text? It is fourteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Thank you mate, your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathan
Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
news talk, sa'd.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Be news talks there b We're talking about record breaking
ceo pay. It is back in the headlines after The
Herald wrote a piece about the most well paid CEOs
in the country. There's a private CEOs, So are these
salaries justified or as executive pay? In New Zealand getting
out of hand? Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

(46:38):
is that number to call? Nine two ninety two is
the text.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Dean, welcome the show, good mate, how are you doing?

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Very good? Thanks for calling this Thursday afternoon, your.

Speaker 10 (46:47):
Thoughts and the lovely day that is. Yeah, it is
lit with the CEO pay. Essentially, the boards vote and
they set the pay limit because the high that they
can set that limit, the more that they get paid.
It's for their fees. So if you break that formula
then you have probably a bit more chance of lowering
the CEO pay. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Do you think that that that that that system works
to the detriment of companies and in New Zealand.

Speaker 24 (47:19):
I don't.

Speaker 10 (47:19):
I don't think it's the right attitude, if you know
what I mean in terms of there's supposed to be
a level of quality and caliber within the board that
drive the direction of the company and using the CEOs
the mask set of that direction. Now, so they say, hey,
this is our value that we're putting into you. But
their value is set and it's all determined by the

(47:40):
calculation of the CEO's package. So if you were allow
that package, you would lower their fees and they would
get a little bit crumpy about that.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
So you think there's a conflict there.

Speaker 10 (47:52):
I think there's a vest of interest, which is a
little bit selfish, you could say.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
So when you look at the list of these, you know,
these top CEOs in New Zealands and what they're getting paid,
do you think there are people there don't deserve to
be there? Do you think the thing the system is
getting the wrong CEOs? So like Gary Miles from gen Track,
for example, he's paid seventeen million dollars.

Speaker 10 (48:19):
Seventeen million dollars, Yeah, I guess you got to look
at the performance. What is he doing, what strategies is
he putting in place, or what changes of direction has
he taking that company that generates at least that type
of profit for the year for the company.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, well, I think I think his huge pay is
due to the performance of the company and you know,
goals that were set in there for him to achieve.
So I think if you're looking at gen Track, you're
probably going well, that we've done very well, All of
us have done very well. And you know, if those
goals hadn't been met, then then he wouldn't be getting

(48:54):
paid that much, but the company wouldn't be making that
much as well.

Speaker 10 (48:57):
No, and is he changing his strategy year on year
out to reflect that question?

Speaker 3 (49:03):
To be honesty? And I I hadn't even heard of
gin track and talk this morning.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I've got here is a salary went up three hundred
and seventy one percent year on year. So that's not
too bad. But that's you know, that's not you can't
keep doing that year on you can you? Maybe you
can if it keeps going up and up and up.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Well, he's triggered some some performance bonuses or whatever that
the board of directors thought he needed to do to
get paid that much.

Speaker 7 (49:28):
You know.

Speaker 10 (49:29):
So, yeah, this takes you back to the original formula.
If the board of director to say, yeah, yeah, you
go for it, you set that, you hit that, then
we all hit it too.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, So they share in the spoils.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
But it is quite often governed by by shareholders as well. Right,
you know, the board answers to the shareholders if the
shareholders are doing well, out of the company. Then they're
pretty happy with the CEO. Then CEO gets a nice bump.
But I see some of the questions coming through, and
it's it's every time this list is put together, and
some of the CEO's are a bit cagy about having their
salary made public. But the question always is why doesn't

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that flow back down the down the line? So it
goes you know, the CEO gets a nice bump because
the company's doing well. Should that then start to filter
through to some of the other employees because they're part
of the machine?

Speaker 10 (50:13):
I agree? And then adding into that, shouldn't maybe different
text thresholds to the CEO at that point as well?
You know, that's that's that's sort of riding along happily
at the thirty three or thirty eight percent of whatever
it is. Shouldn't they go higher once they've achieved the
X amount of percentage above you know of that target.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Do you think you're paid fairly for what you do
in life?

Speaker 10 (50:36):
Dean, Yes, yes I do.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Do you ever think I wish I was a CEO?

Speaker 24 (50:42):
No?

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Yeah, me?

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Neither me neither, Because when times are good, it's very good.
But when times are bad, you know, You've seen a
lot of CEOs who have run into some serious head sparence.
For example, for Fonterra, he is hated, hated, despised, and
I mean rest his soul because he's passed away. But
that's where it can go wrong, right.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Yeah, but what about what about when you're being chased
around You're you know, you're the head of a font
here and you've been chased around by rabid TVNZ employees
about the price of butter.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, private citizen chase down the road.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I mean, that's one of the most insane things we've seen.
I think that was a misunderstanding of what a reporter
is supposed to do. I think person that did that
hasn't is sort of making up what you're supposed to do.
But that was insane, right it was.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Yeah. I mean she's a repeat offender, that particular reporter.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Hey, thank you so much for it for your thoughts, Dean.
This text says, it's just a bunch of old men
paying each other more and more because they went to
the same boys school as them. The average cleaner and
a company brings more worth than the stuffed suits at
the top.

Speaker 23 (51:48):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
A text from nineteen thirty. That's the most ye oldie.
The stuffed suits at the top.

Speaker 25 (51:53):
It's just a bunch of old men paying each other
more and more because they want so. I went to
the same boys school as the average cleaner at a company.
Brings more worth to that than the stuff.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
At the top. Beautifully done. What about it's you know
that you you? I don't. I don't think just looking
at this list that all of them went to the
same boys school. I'm looking at Antonio Watson, the CEO
of vans.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
It yep, Victoria Short she's on the top ten.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
I don't think they went to the same They're not
old men that went to the same.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
They are certainly not old men's the same boys school.
Thank you very much for that.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Tis keep your tiss coming through on nine to two
ninety two, but taking your calls, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. So are these private ceo salaries getting out
of hand? Or do they earn every cent that they get?
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? It
is twenty three pass two bag very.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Shortly, Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Twenty five pass too. So the list of the highest
paid are private CEO's in New Zealand has been released
by The Herald.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Are these salaries justified?

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Away?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Was the executive pay in New Zealand getting a little
bit out of hand? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call in? Nine nine two
is the text as well.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
The sex is I think talking to a Fonterra ceo
about a price of butter and other products they sell
is a good question. So don't know what you are
laughing about. Think I'm going to turn radio off. Okay, chair,
turn it off. Don't have to think about it, really
easy to do. Do you really think that a private
citizen who is the boss of Fonterra, a private company,

(53:33):
should be chased down the street? You can ask questions
at a press conference they organize, but harassing someone in
the street is not. It's very You can harass politician, sure,
even then it's you know there's there's limits. But he
hadn't committed a crime. You weren't door stopping someone that's
that's that's committed a crime, or a public official that's

(53:57):
in a scandal. You're following a CEO of a company
down the street. That's that's just doing his job.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
It was theater for the news because that guy in
question spoke to that report and on numerous occasions when
they ask for it. But chasing a man down the
street who works for a private company just a bit
of theater. But thank you very much for your six there, Chads. Oh,
one hundred and eighty, ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Don't think about it, Chad, just turn it off. Yeah, yeah, yes, Oh,
it's a free service.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
It is one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number
two call. I think we've got en, Yeah, get a en.
How are you hi?

Speaker 26 (54:28):
Guys. Firstly, I'd like to say I don't really care
what other people earn. And if somebody has got a
salary of many millions of dollars, well they've got the job,
and instead of being envious of them, go out and
get the job, do it yourself instead of making excuses.
I've been fortunate enough to know, through actually sport, a

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lot of very very highly paid New Zealand businessmen, owners
of corporations, directors, the works back in the days of
Equity Corp And all of those companies, and these guys,
they are working from the minute they wake up in
the morning till the minute they go to be at night.
By that, I mean the minute they wake up, they're
thinking about their work, which is working. When they're sitting

(55:14):
around at home when they get home from work at
ten o'clock at night, they're still thinking about work. It's
their life. And as far as I'm concerned, if they
want to give away all of their life to earn
twenty million dollars a year or good luck to them.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, And to go back to your first point there, Ian,
what I find out is that people go, someone is
earning this money so material that the fact that they're
earning that and you're earning what you're earning is unrelated.
As far as I'm concerned, too, it's a different thing
they earn that I don't earn, that I don't have
the ability to earn, that no one's willing to pay
me that. So me being angry at their earning that,

(55:52):
what difference does it make? That doesn't matter?

Speaker 13 (55:55):
You know, I remember you at the Pinker thing.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Oh yep.

Speaker 26 (56:00):
And I'm a fan of Jordan Peterson. He was asked
this question once and he said, there is a very
very small group, mainly men who will sacrifice everything to
get that job. These are the sort of people that
you drop in the forest and people are cutting trees
and they just out before them all because they wouldn't

(56:22):
have breaks. They just work. And it's a mindset that
you and I probably don't have, and we don't desire
to be that person. But there are a group of
people that that's their goal in life.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
They're very driven people, no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Just to play devil's advocate in so the argument I
always see is that there are people within some of
these organizations and they may be in the middle, they
may be even a little higher, a little lower, but
they would make the same argument that they dedicate and
sacrifice a lot to do what's best for the country
company rather, but they don't see that same level of
reward that a CEO would get. What would you say

(57:00):
to those people, AKA that they want to see the
rewards that the business get flow down almost to the bottom.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
What would you say to those people.

Speaker 26 (57:09):
If you don't like to pay get another job?

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Yeah, straight up, yep, go become the CEO.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
You reckon?

Speaker 26 (57:15):
Oh, it's that is so tough. I've been a sales
manager of what you would call a middle sized business.
We turned over one hundred million, and the CEO, I mean,
I just couldn't deal with the pressure he had to
deal with the decisions he had to make that could
affect the corporation, could break the corporation. He's responsible for

(57:37):
thousands of jobs, and I just don't think it's in
me to do that, or it's in him.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I think it's I think it's interesting what you say, Ian,
because you know, I've read a bit about Bezos, you know,
Jeff Bezos, and he is, you know, getting Amazon going.
He worked like an insane person. Yeah, And I think
the cost of being Jeff Beoss is there a lot
of money. But I wouldn't want to be Jeff Bezos. No,
I wouldn't be one to be in that side that head.

(58:05):
He's a very very odd individual. He certainly is, and
on all kinds of working spectrums and just so singularly
focused on what he did. It's being paid in an
insane amount of money for it. But I would not
want to be Jeff Bezos. For all the money Jeff Besis, he.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
It seems exhausting to be in that brain of his. Yeah, Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty What do you say?

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Do you agree with?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
N Are the CEOs worth every cent that they are getting?

Speaker 4 (58:30):
And they are getting a lot of cents. According to
the latest report from Zed Heralds.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
This text has come through here here Ian Yeah, Clap, clap, clap.
Keep If that's from Gary Miles from I'm.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Sure it is seventeen million bucks nineteen ninety two is
their text.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
It is bang on past two U's talk, said b.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Thank you very much, Wendy. So we're talking about record
breaking CEO pay back in the headlines. New Zealand Herald
has done an in depth look at how much our
private CEOs get paid. They've done the top ten and
at number one by long mile is a guy called
Gary Miles seventeen million dollars for a company called gen Track.
So is that getting out of hand?

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Seventeen million? Seventeen million not bad pay?

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
CEO paces Jason the market of CEOs, and what they
get paid is essentially the same as professional sports people.
They get paid what team's prepared to pay them, just
as the CEOs get paid what companies are prepared to
pay them. The top CEO's demand high salaries, just like
the top sports people demand the high salaries, and if
you don't perform, you're gone with a big exit payment,
of course. Jason, Yeah, but I mean that's kind of

(01:00:52):
the way I look at it as well, Right, So
you have to be in a position and there's very
few people that get there to be desired to the
point where you become a CEO and get paid that
kind of money. It's the same thing as being shohe
or Tani yep. So I can't be him, So I
can't be annoyed that he gets paid seven hundred million
dollars to play baseball for the Los Angeles Dodgers. Yeah,

(01:01:15):
quite the reverse. Actually, I'm very pleased because I'm a
big fan and the Emacs are doing it that sport.
Yea more than it's ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
But that's a fair point, high risk, high rewards. Keep
those teaps coming through, Camal, How are you, I'm good?
Thank you, Keen on your thoughts about the CEO pay.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 24 (01:01:34):
Well, Well, to be really honest, that's not just the
CEO that works for the company. There are people down
the line that are actually making the sales, reaching the targets,
and that's how the CEO is able to use all
those resources to get a company on a different level,
it's not just the CEO. I mean, it's ridiculous to

(01:01:55):
come to think about it. If a CEO is getting
a cap of ten million dollars, fine, but the rest
of the money can be given to the lower line
people to have a better lifestyle. I mean, yes, they
can't take the responsibility off a CEO, but that doesn't
mean that they don't wake up doing their job thinking

(01:02:15):
about their job or go sleeping thinking about it. As
a sales person, you are always thinking about your job,
even while you're not at work. You're thinking about how
you quite can't get the next fail or get the
bonus that you're supposed to get in the next month.
So I just think it's really ridiculous for people to
just think that, oh, it's because he's able to handle

(01:02:38):
the responsibility, then he should get the most x amount
of money. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
What about what about? What about this argument?

Speaker 21 (01:02:45):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Say, if you have a really efficient CEO, like a
really well functioning CEO, then the company does very well.
Then everyone keeps their jobs. If you have a bad
CEO who makes bad decisions, then the company goes poorly
and everyone loses their job.

Speaker 24 (01:03:05):
That's harpyable. Like I mean, if you think about it, right,
a CEO that gets ten million dollars, his life is
very comfortable. He is doing well whatever the job that
he may be doing is. Ten million dollars is sufficient
amount of money for a person to be working at
least sixteen hours a day. But do you really think

(01:03:28):
that nine hundred dollars or eight hundred dollars it's sufficient
enough money for the people on the lower lines to
be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Like, I totally get your agment, but I guess we
don't decide. The board decides, and the shareholders decided. So
someone decides that that that CEO is worth getting in,
much like a sports team tries to get in the
most valuable players to make their team go well. So
the board decided, so they will make the come to
go well members.

Speaker 24 (01:03:58):
Yeah, well, I think we should change the board members
and say, maybe somebody to think, Okay, let's put a
cap on this. If we get maximum mind of profits,
we give them ten million dollars and the rest will
invest back into our employees.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Do you agree with that across the board? What about
people moving up through the company and getting promoted, because
it's not only in successful companies. It's not over the
CEO that gets paid a lot of money.

Speaker 24 (01:04:24):
I believe that if somebody is working hard enough, they
do deserve the increement, no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Is there a cap on how much people should get paid?
Do you think when you yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:04:34):
I'm seventeen million dollars, I think eleven million dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
It's a bit extreet.

Speaker 24 (01:04:40):
That's is my point of view.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Thank you so much for sharing. I really appreciate it
your ringing in.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Would would there be the difference between a good CEO
the income that a good CEO if they're getting paid
that sort of money, they have a talent at spotting
the incredibly good workers that they have. They can spot
the talent, and they reward that talent to keep them
in the company because it's in their best interest right
that they want the best of the best best within
their organization to keep the boat going forward and to

(01:05:07):
keep doing as well as some of these companies are doing.
So if you are a good CEO, you reward the
good people, and then it's on you to be one
of those good people, to be a hard worker, and
then you can get some of those riches yourself.

Speaker 24 (01:05:21):
Oh yeah, I mean it's affable, but the CEO doesn't
necessarily go down to the bottom line to see if
everything is going the way he's wanting it to go.
I mean, in these big corporation companies, you see people
on a daily life that are complaining about life, but
still have to go to work because they just have
to make a living.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Well, the CEO will get a good CEO will make
sure that he's getting good reporting or she.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
No, exactly we're basing that on.

Speaker 24 (01:05:48):
We are basing that on the process that the company
is making, rather than doing a actually do a saw
from the lower line people to see how happy they
are in their job. We are just basing this on
how much profit a company is making at the moment.
With the situation, anybody, even if you're unhappy with your job,

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you still got to go to work.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
So do you think that heavy do you think everyone
should get paid the same amount or there should be
some variation. It could be to skill and training.

Speaker 24 (01:06:21):
So what I'm saying, I'm not saying give them also
give them a ten million dollars. But if what I'm
saying is that if a CEO is kept at like
ten million dollars, which I think for an early rate,
ten million dollar dollars is a lot of money and
the rest amount of money if it's invested, and the
people on the lower line who not to say that
they might make even more profit.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Well, thank you so much for call. If it was
kept at ten million, then no one would be getting
them then that amount last year, but just this year
Gary Mills from gin Track due to sort of rear circumstances,
was on seventeen million. But the next on the list
is seven point seven million a year. So if you
kept it at ten million dollars in most of the
CEOs would be happy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Nothing would change, Yes, But thank you very much for
your call. Colpociate your thoughts and a lot of people
agree with you. So yeah, good on you, yep, good
on you. Keep those calls coming through. On oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty it is eighteen to three
beg very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons taking your calls on
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, where's Skoda?

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Can you crack the god?

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
sCOD codes every day news dogs, they'd be sixteen to three.
We're talking about a private ceo salary. So are they
justified or are they getting a little bit out of hands?

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
What do we pay the Prime Minister of New Zealand?
How well is New Zealand? And? Methinks businesses know something
about performance, success and excellence, thing about democracy? Says I
guess arguably we're the board of directors and we're the shareholders,
and I don't think we would sign off on at
the Prime Minister getting seventeen million dollars a year.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
No exactly, Jimmy, how are you?

Speaker 11 (01:07:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:07:56):
Goodday guys, How are you guys good?

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 27 (01:07:59):
I must agree with the Corra a few calls to
go in. I think his name was he still my thunder.
But these CEOs and these mega companies are there wide
a different way and I think the country just needs
to step back a little bit and understand it. If
you want to demand that type of income and next
type of money. There's a whole lot of sacrifice and

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risk and time and effort that's gone on to getting there.
None of these people are there by fluke. And when
you actually look at the companies they are running, the
are the ones that are sort of keeping the country going.
So we've kind of got to be a little bit
careful not to buy the hand that feeds us.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah, and a lot of people agree with that, Jimmy,
judging by the text machine. What about the grumbles around
and I mentioned this earlier, the grumbles around the CEOs
of the that as sorry, the bank CEO salary. So
you know, there's been a lot of discussion around the
profits that banks make in this country. Are we getting
a raw deal compared to our Aussies? Do you think

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bank customers have any right to feel a bit of
resentment when they see those sort of figures.

Speaker 27 (01:09:01):
It's an argument that exists, but I think it's blending
more than one argument together. If you're looking clearly at
the performance of the company, than the CEO yes, probably
does deserve that. And I think that's one thing that
we get probably tied up with in this country as
we see the problem that we want an answer to
and we attached that to a separate issue, the issue

(01:09:22):
of profit staying on shore or offshore in a company
like a bank or a frontier or something like that
is kind of irrelevant to what the CEO gets paid,
in my view, and I think we're really guilty of
that as a country at the moment, because we're all
trying to grasp onto some way of justifying how hard
our position is and how hard we work, and we're
all wanting some sort of relevant reward to justify that effort,

(01:09:45):
and it's really easy to I mean, is that the
tall poppy syndrome? I don't know, but I mean I've
started from I remember when I started working at was
six dollars fifty an hour as a kid, getting up
to sort of thirty forty fifty dollars an hour now,
it might have been resented because I've spent twenty five
years working to get to that point. A lot of
these CEOs spend a lot of time also on governance committees,

(01:10:07):
community boards and things like that. I just think relative
to what the output is. And I mean, yes, middle
management can get very upset and very angry if they
can see that the CEO of the people who are
above them are getting ten to fifteen, twenty times more
than them. But like I said, if you don't like
your pay, go out and find it. If you want

(01:10:28):
more money, go and upskill and get yourself in that
position to demand that money.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
It's an interesting point, isn't it. Because it's what I
get paid, is what I get paid, But it's because
that's what someone will pay me. So if you happen
to be the kind of person that someone will pay
you that kind of money, then however you got there,
that's great. But just to say that someone gets paid
too much, that's what someone's willing to pay. Someone has
decided that that person is worth too much and that

(01:10:54):
was their decision to make. And someone else has decided
what I'm worth to pay, and that was their decision
to make. And all the decision that I've got to
make as being as competent as I can be and
you know, doing what I do and being as valuable
as I can.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Yeah, that's the world I find.

Speaker 27 (01:11:13):
If it was so simple to say, I'll just chuck
the board out and then you're just going to have
a whole bunch of different people with the same amount
of view. I think it has to become Look at
the company you're working for, look at the output and
what they contributing to society as a whole. And I
think if you bring it back to banks and profits
and not staying offshore and the fairness of that, I
think it's a separate issue, just like it's a separate
issue that the man who was in charge of fon

(01:11:33):
terror selling milk powder offshore is automatically deciding the price
of butter on the shelf. Separate issue. But we're attaching
our emotions, yeah, for the easiest, low hanging fruit.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I just think it's ridiculous. Why aren't Fisher and Pikell
paying me for five point seven million dollars a year?
I just can't understand it. Why have fished at the
boarder Fisher and Pikell rung up Matt Ethan said, We've
got five point seven million dollars if you run the
board to be the CEO of their company. I'm angry
about I bite.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Any time, mate. Their focal will come at some stage.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
It Thanks for your call, Jimmy, appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Yeah, great point, Thank you very much. So are you
with Jimmy?

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
One hundred and eighty ten is the number to call
if you want to send a tex nineteen nine two
is that number.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Jerome says, it's not necessarily how much they're worth. That's
how much more than other staff. Are they worth three
times or ten times more, et cetera. I mean, but
that's the thing someone has decided that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
You mentioned before.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I think at that level what people forget is it's
negotiation at that stage, right, you get to that sort
of level, It's not like the board advertise and say
here is the salary. We're going to put it on
seek and if you don't like it, you can walk. Obviously,
people of this caliber they get hit hunted, or they
approach and say, here's where the negotiats.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Negotiation starts. He's the value I'm going to bring. What
can you offer me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
It's not like most jobs right where you say here's
a salary, it's seventy k year.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
Do you want it? Yay?

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Nay?

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Let's go very different at that level.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Yeah, well absolutely, Like Tyler, if you kick the boss's
door down tomorrow and say I demand seventeen zero point
three million dollars, they're going to go, no, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Worth more than the company.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
I've always found it funny, says the text of that
as kiwis we really celebrate a great sports person, you
hate a great CEO. We treat Steven Adams as a
national hero, earning fifteen per million per year, all for
playing as sport he loves. I know which job I'd prefer? Yeah, yeah,
I mean, boy, if you love a sport and you're
good at it and you can get paid fifteen million dollars,
haven't you cracked the code?

Speaker 22 (01:13:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
But then again, you know you read their biographies. They
go through misery. You look at Lewis Hamilton, Sir Lewis
Hamilton last year, yep, when he was getting smashed by
Scharli Clere every week, his teammate. He was more miserable
than nearly anyone, no matter how rich he is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Yeah, poor guy. All right. It is nine minutes to three,
beag very shortly, oh eight hundred and eighty ten, eighties,
a number.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
They'd be news talks there be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
It is seven to three and we're talking about private
CEO salaries. The New Zealand Herald has done a deep
dive into it and given us the top ten. At
number one, Gary Miles, the head of cent Track, earned
seventeen million dollars. Number two Dave bought A Lassi the
head of a two Milk at seven million dollars. So
are they worth that sort of money or is it

(01:14:18):
getting a little bit out of hand? On one hundred
and eighteen eighty se number good text here, get a Matts,
get a Tyler. I worked in both private and public
sectors and have worked with many senior leaders who aspire
to be the best. Unfortunately, many of them are stupid
and have no self reflection about their own capabilities. When
a CEO or senior leader is good, they deserve to
be paid whatever it takes for the organization to be successful.

(01:14:39):
They make up for the numpties who tricked their way
into jobs because they can use buzzwords. That's from Jason, Sue,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 11 (01:14:48):
I'm really well, Thank you, How are you good?

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Nice to chat with you, Ken on your thoughts.

Speaker 11 (01:14:53):
Well, I'd like to understand whether the seventeen million plus
is a salary for the package for the year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Do you know, the young that's the package. So that's
an outlier. He's not going to get paid there next year,
and it's actually skewed the numbers greatly. He's so far
ahead of everyone else about ten million dollars. Ever, because
of the package, as you say, soon, okay.

Speaker 11 (01:15:19):
So what part of the seventeen million dollars is the salary?

Speaker 19 (01:15:23):
Do we know?

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
They've broke it, broke broken it down to the best
of their extent, but it's not quite as clear cut
because they say as part of the package, obviously these
shares involved, there's bonuses involved, and there's a few other
bits and pieces, but we don't have that specific figure.

Speaker 11 (01:15:39):
Okay, So let's pretend for a moment that the man
has done seventeen million dollars for his performance to twelve months. Clearly,
the company has done well and his performance has earned him.

Speaker 24 (01:15:54):
That amount of money.

Speaker 11 (01:15:56):
I say, the company and the board have done really well.
They've appointed somebody, given him clear instructions, and he has delivered. Now,
if I was a shareholder, i'd been clapping my hands
because if he's earning big, so are my shares. The
second point I'd like to make is that i'd like

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to take you guys to task, because all day I've
been listening to this and all day I'm hearing people
complaining about somebody else's hard earned income based on not
full information. So before you continue to spout on about it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Oh god, so come on, you have that's not what
you've heard at all.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
To come on, I thought we'd been pretty fair.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yeah, you made your point, but that's just that's just
that's come on, Sue, You're better than that. You have
a great day.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, thank you very much, Sue. I think we've been
pretty fair and we're given the information and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Been a great bousing on. As I made it clear,
I know nothing about gin Track. I just heard about
them this morning. We were talking about CEOs in general.
So Sue, come on. It's been a good discussion, really
a liedown So love you, but come on.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Yeah, thank you very much for your phone call.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
So I actually really enjoyed that discussion, and thank you
to all the other callers as well.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
You brought a lot to it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Nine two nine to two is the text new Sport
and weather Fast approaching. Hope you're happy on this Thursday
before the Easter long weekend, because why wouldn't you be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
We give both sides of the arguments.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
News is next, big stories, the big issues, the big trends,
and everything in between and kids.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Afternoon squid Shodder News Talk said the it's very good afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
You welcome back into the show seven past three.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Hey, before we move on from the CEO thing, I
was thinking about this audio from the comedian Jimmy Carr
and it was in the podcast. It was on the
podcast The Diary of a Ceo podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
Great podcast. It is a good podcast, and I think
it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Great when it comes to dealing with the natural jealousy
mini get when they hear others are getting paid more
than them, such like when the list of the highest
paid CEOs come out, right, yep, funny they're in judging
by a lot of people they found it's triggering. They
dobt that other people get paid so much more than them.
So it's sometimes and look, this is something that might

(01:18:24):
be helpful that Jimmy Kare suggests that you could think
about every morning when you're sharing.

Speaker 12 (01:18:29):
When you look at the world that we live in,
we're like you're doing. There's been one hundred billion people. Ever, right,
top percentile in terms of the luck that we have had.
That the lives like the colorific intake that we just
take for granted, the fact that our children don't die,
you know, in the first year, the modern medicine, and

(01:18:50):
our lives and are the entertainment that we get.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
We're living like kings.

Speaker 12 (01:18:54):
And yet life has never been objectively better and subjectively
worse because the nature of humanity is our desires are mimetic.
So we've got this thing where we're sort of you know,
how happy are you? Well, it's it's your quality of
life minus envy. That's how happy you are. And it's

(01:19:15):
easy to look at everyone else and how they're doing
and not take pleasure in what you have. You get
used to how great your life is. No one had
a hot shower until fifty years ago, So I try
and do this thing when you stand in a hot shower.
George Mack, my friend pointed this out to me. Well,
when you're stand in a hot shower, just for a moment,
just go well, no one that you admire from one

(01:19:36):
hundred years ago had this simple pleasure in life.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
Mann, he's good.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Yeah, he's great. I mean Mika, very base level, downstairs
focused comedian yep for his day job, and just one
of the best philosophers in the world, you know, outside
of as being on stage. It's incredible. Of course, real
men like me have cold showers. But you get the point.
It's the quality of your life. Happiness is the quality

(01:20:01):
of your life minus envy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
That was the line that is a beautiful from Jimmy Carr.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
That's a public service a hit of the Long week
ind Oh yeah, right, let's get into this topic speaking of.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
A public service before the long weekend. Hey, guys and
join the show. But it'd be nice if either of
you would mention Easter coming up tomorrow. For many of
us listening, it is the time to remember Jesus Christ
and the actual reason why we have public holidays, the
public holiday. Just a requestions, would you read that out
for me? Happy Easter to you guys, Yeah we will, crag,
I'll read that out for.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
You totally, absolutely, and happy Easter to you as well. Mates.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
It is an important event for a lot of people. Hey,
just a reminder and about twenty five minutes New Zealander
of the Week, so standby for that. But in the meantime,
let's have a chat about marriage or lack of marriage.
It's becoming less appealing for the younger generations, according to
an article in The New York Times, as people no
longer see it as essential to adulthoods so they say
greater independence, especially for women, along with skepticism about traditional

(01:20:55):
roles and the benefits of marriage, has shifted attitudes. Many
now prefer flexible relationships, like long term partnerships or even
forever engagements.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Why is it greater independence especially for women? Why do
woman have less independence than marriage than men?

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Well, this goes on to the traditional roles. So the
article says that women are pushing back. They think the
idea of marriage, a man and a woman being married,
that there's somehow that tradition that the man has more
power in that relationship than the woman. You know, the
idea of the father walking her down the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
That's someone that's never seen a marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, So I think you can question that
whole idea of greater independence if you you know, I'm
using the term with quotation marks here tied down, which
is an awful saying, but that is where they're getting
some of this perception from that somehow, as especially for women,
they're going to be tied down in a marriage, so
it doesn't appeal to them anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
A man's tied down in a marriage as well, right,
that's and tied down is the wrong word, right. You
form a partnership that's that's more powerful than the some
of its parts. That's the right idea of a marriage. Yeah,
but you're engaged, tyler, Yes? Is that just going to
be a forever engagement? Do you think in an engagement's
enough or are you going to actually go through with
the marriage? I guess back in the day, right, you

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weren't sleeping in the same beds, and hence why the
bride and groom would leave very early have a bunch
of cans attached to the back of their car rather
than parting. The last wedding I went to, everyone was
partying deep into the night, correct, because they didn't have
any pressing business that they hadn't been involved in before

(01:22:32):
they needed to rush home to get involved with, right exactly.
So that used to move engagements forward pretty quickly, right
in the days, when you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
You're getting pretty eager by that stage that you just
wanted to seal the deal.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
I think everyone knows what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can read the subtext there. But yeah,
I look.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I mean, I've made no secret about the fact that
when I was a little bit younger, I wasn't that
interested in getting married, just because I didn't think I
needed to go and take that final step to say
that I'm committed to somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
But I've changed.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I've changed obviously, as soon as I dropped the knee
and I engaged them and proposed to Mave, and we're
now engaged. Of course, I will go through and finish
the job. I mean, that sounds like an awful way
to say it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
I shouldn't have phrased it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Better finish this job.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
I will walk down the aisle with my beloved Mave
and we will get married, and I'm really looking forward
to it. Where I didn't used to think like that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Mates, you're patting yourself on the back. You were thirty
nine when you asked you to marry you. Yes, thirty nine.
But I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I was wrong to think that marriage didn't matter because
I can actually see you know the ritual and the
essence behind it. As you said, it's about forming that
partnership and a team going forward. And you've got your
your companion there, whoever it may be, that you're in
it together thick and thin.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
That is your mate for the rest of your life,
and you're going to work as a team to do
the best in this thing we call life.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Women lose their surnames with marriage. That's not very independent,
but they don't have to. You can hyphenate them. You
can have one of those Ponzi hyphenated names, like ninety
percent of the Warriors do.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Yep, exactly. They love that in the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Were you going to are you gonna make may take
the Adam's name she wants to and then have a
little Adam's family.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
That was a sit of for your mate.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighties. So if you're a
little bit younger or you think that marriage has never
been something that you're into, keen to hear your story.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties at number Craig.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Says, I'm him Matt and Tyler, my partner and I
have been together for thirty five years, three houses, children
together and not married. I don't believe a ring brings
commitment as a few friends around us have been married
then divorced. We don't see marriage as a must to
show our commitment. Cheers Craig.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Do you agree with Craig?

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Well, legally it doesn't make a whole he bit difference,
does it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
No, if you're with someone for three years, then it
gets split down the middle anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
I mean, maybe that's part of it, because a lot
of marriage was, you know, financial for women. I think
the text actually says that the women have more independence
without marriage comes from the fact that marriage used to
be required for women in order to procure a future
and financial stability. Now women are able to have financial
stability without being married, so it's less of a requirement

(01:25:18):
because often, you know, far from I guess taking away
someone else's independence, what you're doing when you're marrying someone
is saying I'm going to make you I guess. Actually
that doesn't make sense what I'm trying to say. But
you're kind of saying, like I'm you're going to be
You're not going to have to worry anymore because now
you're going to be financially okay. So in a way

(01:25:42):
there's a freedom in that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Yeah, you know, does that still ring true?

Speaker 11 (01:25:45):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
Under an eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
If you are about to get married, or you're engaged
and you're looking at getting married soon, keen to hear
your story. But if you are still under the impression
that marriages have really can to hear from you as well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
The peral of women is pronounced women, women. Time for
me to contact your boss. You're on national radio, No,
we're not. You should be setting example people on public radio.
We're not on public radio. Should know how to pronounce words.
Stop being thick tyler never never, you're not neither. No,
we're on commercial radio. We're not on national radio. Yeah no,

(01:26:21):
and we're not on public radio.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
What's your thoughts on marriage? By the way, dear texter, Yes,
that's exactly what we're talking about. Please, by all means,
keep texting. But what are you reckon about marriage?

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
You seem to be outrageously uptied about woman? Yeah, but
what do you think about marriage?

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
Give us a call? Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number? It is sixteen per marriage.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
And a baby and a baby's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Courage News talk sa'd be eighteen past three? Has the
idea of marriage lost? It's sank to tea?

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Text for me, Marriage as ritual calls upon ancestors past
and for friends and loved ones living in the present
to be a witness to a spiritual union of two beings.
It's more than just a ceremony. That's from Graham. Yeah.
So part of the idea of a marriage, the union
of people, is that you're making the statement in front
of a low of people. Yes, so you're going I
like this person, and a lot of people are witnessing it. Family, friends.

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It's it's quite a big thing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
A lot more people are let down if it all
goes wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Officials, the celebrant. Yeah, there's a whole pilava. So it's
it's it's quite a commitment, doesn't it. It is, just
to go through with the wedding is quite a commitment.
This text, however, says marriage is an institution. But who
wants to live in an institution? However, I did as
I get old forty and needed to be careful, big Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Good on your Dave cecil, How are you?

Speaker 6 (01:27:41):
I'm good?

Speaker 16 (01:27:41):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
How are you good? Ken on your thoughts?

Speaker 21 (01:27:45):
Oh just it's kind of I guess slightly. I travel
a lot for work, and when I had children with
my now husband, it became important that I had the
same surname as my children. Oh yeah, so that I've
had friends have made the difficulties going through the US
without their partner but traveling with the children right by

(01:28:06):
not having the same surname. I mean, yeah, that was
just one of the factors when.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
He wouldn't hit your husband wouldn't take your surname.

Speaker 21 (01:28:16):
Oh well, it's probably a hyphen.

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
When we looked at hyphen but it just didn't work together.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
And I was all them happy to there are some
hyphens that just don't work exactly.

Speaker 16 (01:28:31):
And look, I have a brother, so he can carry
on that the family name that way?

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Did it mean when you changed your name? Did you
know how did that feel? Was that something that you
you mourned for one of a better.

Speaker 16 (01:28:44):
Word, well from words perspective, as she still work under
my maiden names. Yeah, you know, I have my married
name separate, so I kind of run off the two,
which is almost a safeguarding thing, so that I work
in the public that they can't look harder to find
me on social media.

Speaker 13 (01:29:04):
Put it that way, there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Was there was something that I when I was a
kid that shocked me. And my mum was quite a
hardcore feminist in some regards, in other ways not. But
she once got a letter and it said to miss
missus Christopher John Heath and that used to be quite
common back in the day that that was too far
right when you got letters. That was the thing, though,

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wasn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:29:30):
My mum tells stories of trying to get a bank
loan and had to have her a credit card or
something along those lines, and my dad had to go
in and she wasn't able to. You know, this is
only Yeah, it's so true that long ago you mentioned
that today, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
In my lifetime, it was okay to write a letter
to a woman from the bank that said her husband's
complete name, including middle name, but with missus in front
of it. That's that's quite shocking, really, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:30:02):
And I think it's just how you view marriage. I mean,
for us, it was just the kind of final part.

Speaker 21 (01:30:07):
I mean, we did everything backwards anyway. We had children,
we bought a house, we did everything else. We were engaged,
but we you know, and it just felt like the
final piece of the puzzle for us. But I don't
see it as an archaic, you know, ownership. I can
assure you I hold my own in any acumen.

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
We can tell that, you know, I don't have a
permission or anything like that. So I think there are
different I guess, religions or cultures that perhaps there is
a slightly older view on marriage. But I think in
a I guess, and I mean.

Speaker 21 (01:30:50):
I qualify as millennial.

Speaker 16 (01:30:52):
But I don't like referencing myself.

Speaker 21 (01:30:55):
I'd like to be in anything.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
But I'm in the same camp to see it. What's
a dirty word these days? Millennial?

Speaker 21 (01:31:02):
Oh, I just I'm on the cuff to come.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
Yeah, I could choose.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
The water is lovely over here.

Speaker 21 (01:31:12):
I just think, you know, I've got lots of friends
who aren't and we decide it's just kind of your
own journey. I don't think that anyone who's not married
or any differently, you know, it's a great excuse.

Speaker 19 (01:31:24):
To have a good party.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
There is something though, when you refer to someone as
your husband or as your wife, that is quite a
different thing than saying your partner, Do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 21 (01:31:37):
Absolutely, that does feel a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:31:39):
More grown up.

Speaker 21 (01:31:39):
I get as well. And again referencing, referencing the children,
you know, like I just think that you know, mum
and dad are married, that it just for them perhaps
might feel more secure. I don't. I mean, I'm putting
words into their mouths now.

Speaker 16 (01:31:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
It's some inters with the last name though, is until
you mentioned it, and may Have wants to take my
last name. But honestly, honestly, I couldn't care if.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
She may Maye Adams sounds pretty good, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Rolls off the tongue.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
But if she decided it was important to keep her name,
I probably wouldn't disagree.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
I'd say, yeah, if you want to do that, you
do that. I don't, you know, I'm proud of my lineage.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
If her last name was something really cool like Christmas,
would you take her last name Tyler Christmas?

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
Yeah, none for Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Thank you so much for you call no no, you finished.
She had one more thought there, so I want to
hear that.

Speaker 21 (01:32:31):
I was just going to say, it's like when you're
naming children, you do have to sound out the name
is going to be like the surname doesn't fit, don't
take it?

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Yeah, yeah, good cool.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
It was like when Homer was like naming Bartney goes Art. Oh,
thank you so much for your call. You sound like
you're you're you're doing very well.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Sounds like it's working.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I've just spotted a text actually on the on the
talk of hyphenated names. Can we read that out right there?
If that's true, that would be a hyphenated name that
would go very wrong. I'll have a think about that.
Maybe we read that out after.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
The break, because a bunch have been coming through and.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
There could be some joke ones in there. Yeah, I'll
do some investigating.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
My line. Broadcasting Standards Association may come through if I
read out a few of those high phenated name jokes.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
We'll ever think about it, right. It is twenty five
bars three back very.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Shortly, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
News Talks B twenty seven past three on.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
The hyphenated names. This makes a really good point, Hi,
Matt and Tyler. I'm not sure hyphenated surnames work. If
two people with hyphenated surnames get married and have children,
then their children will have four hyphenated names or you'd
have to pack, wouldn't you. You'll put which ones you want.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
It we just a cutoff. I mean, how many hyphens
can you have in a last name? I think four
is probably the max.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Well, it might be kind of good in terms of
just knowing your lineage. You know, you could just if
you end up having one hundred and fifty names and
it just references everyone that's been involved and you're getting there.
Something nice about that, and you wouldn't have to, you know,
school role read the whole thing out. Yeah, but there's
something something nice in someone's name sticking with you forever.
Welcome Colin. You've been married fifty years.

Speaker 22 (01:34:22):
Fifty years when to get a fifty one and.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
A bit of years congratts.

Speaker 22 (01:34:26):
We never had an engagement. We just decided after our
son was born that we've got to get married to
give him a name as such. Day of the wedding
we pushed him in the pram down to the registry
office got married. Wedding dinner as such was a hamburger

(01:34:46):
up on top of Mount Victoria. We're looking down well
into those days. And went back to work the next day.
In a couple of days later, I rang my parents separately,
and this says, oh, by the way, I just got married,
And the old man turned around and goes, oh, that'll
last five minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
You proved it on.

Speaker 22 (01:35:04):
Well, we're the only I'm the only we're the only
couple out of four siblings that stayed married. All the
rest of were divorced.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
And you know, has it been a romantic That doesn't
sound like the most romantic starts of things, but has
it been a romantic marriage?

Speaker 23 (01:35:18):
Colin?

Speaker 22 (01:35:19):
Well, we had all a romance prior. But you know
it's been okay without her ups and downs like anyone
with fought in battled. Yeah, one of the rules I
had when I got married was don't ever tell me
what to do. And I'll never tell you what to do,
but you do what you do with respect to the
other person.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
What amount of the dishes need done, colin? Or you
know you gotta put out the trash apartment?

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
Okay, Right, I do my fair share.

Speaker 22 (01:35:47):
I put the washing in the machine sometimes, and yeah,
but she gets out in mos of lawns and you know,
she does all sorts of manly stuff. She used to
drive the trucks for me, and you know she was
bringing up five kids in total, she had four from
her first marriage. I was just turned twenty two when
I got married.

Speaker 10 (01:36:06):
Wow, I'm seventy.

Speaker 22 (01:36:07):
Two now, So big commitment for a young fellow that
I knew what I wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
What did you do? What did you do for your
golden anniversary? That's fifty right, golden? Did you do something
a little bit more than the register's office that you
started off with? No, No, I didn't do anything. I'm
loving the practicality of the situation.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
Yeah. Yeah, well I'm Colin.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
So that sort of puts pay to my idea that
one of the great things about marriage is you have
a lot of people around, and that's why it may
last a bit longer because you've told it in front
of so many people. Yeah, because they just nipped off
to registry office.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Yeah, but I mean outlasting the old siblings. For Colin,
I think was a big thing. He wasn't a quitter,
let's put it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Sharon. Your thoughts on marriage and such.

Speaker 6 (01:36:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's changed.

Speaker 13 (01:36:57):
He isn't.

Speaker 6 (01:36:57):
Fact that it definitely has, you know. I mean when we
got married, my husband we've been married forty seven years
this year, and we've known each other for well a
lot longer than that, because we're now.

Speaker 13 (01:37:07):
At high school together.

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
But you know, things like we're going for our house loan,
the bank wouldn't take into consideration my wages in case
they got pregnant. Can you imagine that these days?

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Wow? Wow?

Speaker 6 (01:37:20):
Yeah, well I was. I was actually insulted that it was unbelievable,
but I called no. But you know, I don't like
personally being called my husband. I don't like being called
a partner from his wife because people, you know, being
over backwards about not offending somebody by calling them their wife,

(01:37:42):
but they actually send me by calling me a partner.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
So because it's more than that, right when you yeah,
when you're married, it's far more than just being a partner.

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
Well I think so, you know, I mean, everybody to
their own if they wanted to be a partner, that's
fine and not get burried, that's up to them. But
for me, it wasn't.

Speaker 13 (01:37:57):
It wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:37:58):
It was the emotional uh, and the ceremony and all
the tradition that went with it that made and unlitia
then through that actual ceremony. But have hard to get
to understand what it's like. Well, it is for me anyway,
And I think, you know, everybody can do what they
want to do, but that's my stance on being there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Well, I mean, wife or husband is obviously stronger than
a partner, because it could be the business partners, these
dance partners, there's all kind of partners. But my wife
or husband is a very specific thing. So if you
if you've gone through, you know, gone through, or if
you've enjoyed the lovely experience of getting married and you've
earned the right to call someone a wife or a husband,
which is surely like it's a promotion in a way.

Speaker 6 (01:38:42):
Yeah, you know, and title also, and you know, back
then also I never reason thought about having not having
my husband's name. It wasn't something you really did, whereas
now it's changed and you know, like saying things change
and evolved and things like that. But no, I just yeah,
like to say, everybody to their own if they want
to be partner's fine, but it wasn't something I wanted

(01:39:06):
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Good on, Sharon, thank you bring up nicely, said yeah, fantastic, right,
great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who called
ntext on that one. By coming up next, New Zealander
of the Week.

Speaker 24 (01:39:18):
You will be.

Speaker 17 (01:39:22):
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Donald Trump says his core objectives of the war with
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is gone, it's air force and ruins, and most of
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operation until the job is done. National Minister Simon Watts
has lost his role as Energy Minister, with the role
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at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to matt and Tyler, the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Mattie than Tyler Adams Afternoons New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 23 (01:40:50):
Ladies and gentlemen. The New Zealander of the Week is
a day early this week, but don't worry, it'll be
just as weak as if it was on a Friday.
That's right, it's time to celebrate some kiwis with the
Matthi and Tyler Adams Afternoons New Zealander of the Week,
and as always three shall be honored.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
But who the will they be?

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
Let's find out with our first New Zealander of the Winter.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Well, some would say this next honorees love of people
boozing on Easter and Christmas urinates all over wholesome traditions,
whilst also kicking precious shared kiwi together family time in
the nuts look.

Speaker 23 (01:41:32):
Others may describe the man as a Timu fred dag.
But he did get a bunch of National Party and
Labor Party members.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
To agree on something for once, So Karen McNulty. You
are a new Zealander of the week. Famously, Kiwis could
be scared to fly because they worry they may fall. Well,
if only we could all hit.

Speaker 23 (01:41:57):
The ground as successfully as this big bird did in
twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Sitting on the couch in its.

Speaker 23 (01:42:04):
Flat, he had a dream shoes made from wool. A
few years later that wooly idea was worth seven billion dollars.
It's not worth that much anymore, but even at its
rock bottom it's worth sixty eight million, surely making.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
All birds one of the most successful failures in our
country's history.

Speaker 23 (01:42:22):
So good on your tim Brown, your thunkburg and went hard,
and I hope you scrawled away many millions for yourself
on the way up.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
You deserve it, and you.

Speaker 28 (01:42:32):
Are a new Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
No one gave them a chance.

Speaker 23 (01:42:40):
You're never going to beat a team from outside your
continental zone, they said.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Yurin also ran at the very best.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
You're in the drawer to get a drawer.

Speaker 23 (01:42:50):
Ben Boom a four one dismantling of Chile, not fig
not Tahite, Chile, South.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
American Football Royalty.

Speaker 23 (01:43:00):
That's the first win over a South American side ever.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
Not a freak.

Speaker 23 (01:43:04):
Accident followed by a shut up shop eleven at the
back to the end strat They were composed to ruthless
four different goal scorers, don't you know?

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
And before you say they were down to ten men?
Shut up?

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
What a final home hit out before the World Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Now instead of hopefully we compete, it's start to feel
a lot like maybe it's possible we.

Speaker 28 (01:43:27):
Could surprise a few people. The New Zealand football team
also known as the All Whites for some reason, onwards
and upwards to the Feetball World Cup, and first up
at the World Cup we face yep Iran in the
United States of America.

Speaker 23 (01:43:48):
That is happening great, the All.

Speaker 28 (01:43:52):
Whites versus Iran in the neutral territory of Sofi.

Speaker 23 (01:43:57):
Stadium, Los Angeles, California, sixteenth of June.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
Keva atasa kiwi.

Speaker 16 (01:44:03):
You are a.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
New Zealand, are of the way?

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Make it always? Alie Bars said.

Speaker 20 (01:44:22):
See.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
The said.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Ah should I go.

Speaker 21 (01:44:59):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
They all lie exath American opposition?

Speaker 19 (01:45:06):
What if I study that history?

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
Matt Heathen Tyler radoms amazing, super well deserved as always
it is nineteen two for coming up after we play
some messages, we're gonna catch up with Stephen Donald aka Beaver.
There's a brilliant match of rugby coming this Anzac Dace
will tell you all about it. Next you listen to
News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
At b your home of Afternoon Talk Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams Afternoons with Scoda. Can you crack the Scoda code?

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
News Talk said be sixteen to four.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
So kiwis are in for a serious dose of rugby nostoldier.
This Anzac Day is former all Blacks and Wallabyes prepared
to reignite one of the great game's fiercest rivalries in
Taranaki the Anzac Day Classic on April the twenty fifth
at Stadium Tartanuki. We'll see legends of the game lace
up the boots once again. Blending competition makeship and the
spirit of Anzac into one special occasion. Stephen Donald aka Beaver,

(01:46:07):
he has had a few Anzac Days Classic matches to
his name and he's ready for another one and great
to have him on the show right now, Steven, how
are you mate?

Speaker 16 (01:46:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
Good, mal I don't know if I'm ready for another one,
but yeah, I will be there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
Well, I was going to ask how much does rugby
hurt when you're when you're older and not training professionally
for the game.

Speaker 7 (01:46:29):
He's considerably considering. Often the aftermatch is still saying that
you were when you're nineteen or twenty, and that's that's
the part that catches up on you for another few
days after.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Yeah, absolutely, So looking at the squads you're going to
be playing with and who you're going to be playing against.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
Who do you reckon is ready to fly and who's
looking a bit rusty?

Speaker 7 (01:46:51):
Well you look, you look to the younger ones to
be fair. So toy Abor I saw to the great
midfielder from from Auckland. He's going again, I think Charlie
Nati local legiond Downtown acyways he's lacing up, he don't
he just finish, So that's important. P any of him.

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
So that's good.

Speaker 7 (01:47:14):
And look at the more of them means the less
minutes us us at the older hed have to have
to get out.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
Therefore, now, obviously this is a friendly of sorts, but
how much does the New Zealand the Australia rivalry fire up.
I mean, it's Anzac day, It's it's it's still the Australians.

Speaker 7 (01:47:34):
Yeah, absolutely, it'll be it'll be played. It'll be played
in great spirit, but it'll be played full on. It's
full on, I guess as the people of our age
can play. So that's that'll be the mentality. Will be
trying to go as hard as you can. But you know,
as long as the body doesn't break down between catching
the ball and actually meeting the defense, that'll be that'll

(01:47:54):
be the key.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Yeah, So part of the classics is staying connected post
playing days. How important is that for you, mate? Is
it good to see some of the boys you haven't
seen for a wee while or how much does that
play into it?

Speaker 13 (01:48:06):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:48:06):
If I'm brutally honest, that's the whole reason I do it.
It's the eighty minutes. Is the torture to get through
to catch up with and spend time with guys that
you really you know, you spend your whole life with
people for about ten or fifteen years and then you
don't see them, and you know it's hugely important. It's

(01:48:27):
a buzzword, but connecting and connection back these days because
you know, yeah, it's not a it's not a profession
that you should be felt, No one should feel sorry
for you to having that profession because it's dream job. However,
when it leaves you, you know, I guess we're only human,
and it does leave a massive void. So catching back

(01:48:47):
up with everyone is just great in general, but then
obviously making sure that everyone's doing all good because once
the professional sport and the footy finishes, it's it can
be a lonely world and everyone, I yes, transitions into
it differently because as a safe if you're lucky enough
to have a ten fifteen year career, then swinging back
to the real world because getting told what to do

(01:49:11):
for adulthoods for ten or fifteen years to be and
where to be and what to wear and what time
to be somewhere isn't the real world, and it does
take a lot of adjusting, and some boys struggle, some
boys land on their feet. But that's that's the part
that I guess I enjoy about it and the reason
why I always want to be a part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
I imagine, having been an all Black, you get punished
a lot in bars and wherever you go by people
with their expert rugby opinions. So I mean, how different
is it talking, you know, code with people that have
actually played the game at the highest level.

Speaker 7 (01:49:45):
Well, funny enough, you don't actually talk it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
Right when you're back together.

Speaker 7 (01:49:49):
It's more about what's happening in life and what are
you doing and how you land on land into that
and things like that. So no, I guess you know,
I belive you guys going to a radio party and
asking people how the radio game, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
You'd be amazing amount of punishing shop talk that radio
people get into.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
Sure you avoid that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
You try too hard today, mates? All right, so what
can fans expect from this game? It's on the twenty
fifth of April, and do you reckon it's going to
be a bit more relaxed or full noise.

Speaker 7 (01:50:22):
It'll be full noise. But it's a great occasion. I'm
glad we've been doing it in somewhere like like New
Plymouth and the Nake because again that's the that's the
special thing about the Classics. They've been going for years
and they used to do things like playing club club
games and go the season of the odd one. But
the last few years we've played in Fong and Nui

(01:50:43):
East Coast and up in the far and Orphan Soong today,
So doing the New Plymouth it's going to be special
and you know, I think we're here from about Thursday onwards,
so we'll be getting out of mongst the community and
then obviously the game two thirty five kickoffs, which you
know all rugby should be kicked on the bring all
the kids and you just enjoy a great day and

(01:51:04):
in two two aging teams going at it and trying
to on a spectacle.

Speaker 4 (01:51:09):
Yeah go well mate, Thoughts and prayers and hopefully the
body holds up. But it's going to be a great match,
so enjoy.

Speaker 7 (01:51:16):
Thanks each guys and yeah we good see as many
people from the neck get along and seeing seeing some
old boys go.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
To right, it's going to be a fantastic match.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
That is Stephen Donald aka Beaver And if you want
to get tickets, they are are on sale right now
tick tech dot co dot nz. But that's going to
be a hell of a match and a lot of
fun as well, so make sure you get tickets. You're
listening to News Talks d B back for you shortly.

Speaker 4 (01:51:39):
It is Tender four the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used Talk zed.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
B News Talk Z b it is seven to four.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Thank you so much everyone for listen that brings us
into the show. Thanks so much for all your calls
and text even the lady who rang up to tell
us off us doing something that we hadn't done. Love
all the communications.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Absolutely we do, and because we get so many great here,
we's ringing in. Each week we pick a Coller of
the week. And a few days ago we were discussing
more people taking a holiday over doing renovations, lifelong experiences
and memories over a quick dopamine hit of doing something
like the bathroom when Margaret gave us a buzz and
she was absolutely fizzing over her choice of travel versus reno.

Speaker 16 (01:52:26):
My sixtieth last year, my husband said he could take
me to Rome.

Speaker 13 (01:52:30):
Or have a new kitchen.

Speaker 6 (01:52:32):
Guess what I chose Rome.

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
I got the new kitchen. You went for the marble
at home rather than the marble of the Colosseum.

Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
And how do you feel a brand?

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
How do you feel about it?

Speaker 11 (01:52:41):
One hundred brands that because it wasn't just a kitchen,
it was a laundry, a new living a whole windows out, windows.

Speaker 26 (01:52:50):
And fire gone.

Speaker 21 (01:52:51):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Yep, Yeah, and I say.

Speaker 13 (01:52:55):
To my husband, I feel like I've won the lotto.

Speaker 24 (01:52:58):
It's such a pleasure, Like I've got an electric rubbishin
I've got you know, and.

Speaker 13 (01:53:03):
I'm cooking up a storm.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
She was so good.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
That's the meaning of life, an electric rubbishman.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
Absolutely, how good was that?

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Now this week we're also going to introduce the text
of the week because we get a whole bunch of
fantastic texts as well. And we got a text during
that same discussion actually from a guy called stew and
here is the text of the week this week. It
really rang a note for a lot of our listeners
and us so seeas Hi, Matt and Tyler listening this
afternoon really struck a chord and I just wanted to
share something from my own experience. You have to live

(01:53:32):
every day as it comes. I lost my first wife
at forty two, and while that's not something no one
can ever truly prepare for, the one piece of comfort
I've always held onto for both myself and my daughter
is that we truly lived. We didn't sit back waiting
for some day. We traveled, we explored, We made the
most of what we had, even when money was tight.
We bought a house, rented it out, and chose experiences

(01:53:54):
over comfort. That perspective has stayed with me. Unfortunate to
have found love again. And my partner works as a
cancer research nurse. She sees far too often people who
have waited their whole lives to live, only to be
stopped by illness before they get that chance. So now
we make a content choice to live fully every day,
every weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
We do not wait. We appreciate the simple things.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
So that is a powerful text. Heck, oh good, speaking
of powerful, the great and powerful. Heather Duplessy Ellen is
up next and she's talking to Cock Island's Prime Minister
Mark Brown on signing a defense and security pack with
New Zealand mending our break broken relationship. And she's also
got a former head of communications for the Republican Party
on how Trump's speech will have gone down with US

(01:54:34):
voter base. But right now, my good friend Tyler, why
am I playing the song from Rim?

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
Well played, mate? What a tune?

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Man on the Moon because we had a great discussion
about Artemis two. It is part of a phase project
to get men and woman on the moon and then
hopefully even Mars.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Yeah, from the nineteen ninety two album Automatic for the People,
which was their eighth album. Would you believe it?

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
Far round anyway?

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
Have yourself a great East to everyone. We'll be live
midday Tuesday. Until then, give them a taste of Kiwi.

Speaker 4 (01:55:05):
Whow won't chuck.

Speaker 19 (01:55:08):
Meboy?

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
Egypt was timeled by the Hormosk.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Mister Charles Barwin, Annie, did you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
Hear about this one?

Speaker 21 (01:55:35):
Tell me?

Speaker 19 (01:55:36):
How are you?

Speaker 17 (01:55:36):
Lock in the park?

Speaker 21 (01:55:39):
Annie? Are you God? Then out?

Speaker 4 (01:55:44):
Are you having fun?

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
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