Full Show Podcast: 02 June 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Get out of you, Welcome into the show. Hope you
having a great shoes say and you had a great
long weekend.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Matt Heath, Hey, I want to talk about something, and
I want to talk around the issue because I know
it's one o'clock so it might be lunchtime, okay, Right.
There was an article in the Herald today and it
was about your movements, okay, and how to get the
best out of them, right right yep, and the advice
and it was so good that I have to get
it out there to people.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Please.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
This is a good PSA.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
And it's to do with our physiology, okay, and the
way our passages work and the way our modern toiletry
systems are set up, and the way we sit down
is not injuice of to a straight line ejection. I've
heard this, so I read this article and I thought

(01:16):
that's pretty funny. But it was lifting your knees up
above your waist, when you're on the when you're when
you're when you're doing your business, and it creates more
of a easier egress for the stuff you don't want
in your body anymore. And we're talking around this issue
enough for people that are eating.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
You've been very diplomatic at the stage. Yeah, tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I can't believe no one's told me this till now,
because try it this morning. Absolute game changer, Absolute game changer.
There's no messing around. We've been we've been in the
wrong position for doing what we need to do for
our whole lives.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
All you've got to do is lift the knees up
above the waist. And maybe you could do that by
bringing something in like some kind of ottoman, your low level,
a low ottoman. I don't know what it would be.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Just bring it.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
A bit of four boy two would probably do it.
A couple of bits of four box two nail together, yep,
put your feet on them like stirrups, and then and
then it just lines everything up and.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Good to go, flows like a dream.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's an absolute revelation. And then people aren't spending one
hundred hours on there The other advice was don't take
your phone in there, because that can lead to all
kinds of health issues if you're spending too long in there.
But yeah, just get your knees up above your waist
and it changes absolutely everything.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Ladies and gentlemen, This is music to my ears because
about five years ago, there was a product that went viral.
It was called the squatty potty. Basically just a little
bit of plastic there so you could do exactly what
you were talking about. It was beautiful advertising. I got well,
I didn't get sucked in. I knew the science and
I bought one of these squatty potties. Everybody laughed at me.
Language check it out, check out this product. Okay, this

(03:05):
is for you. Matt Heath and anybody else listening to
the text are coming through thick and fast. And people
laughed at me, and so look, I was ahead of
my time. Can I just say that what you're talking
about now, I hear exactly what you're saying. And it
was a game changer. And I was ridiculed, and I've
stopped doing it for the last five years. And shame

(03:27):
on me for bowing to that ridicule.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Okay, yeah, you go there, you go. Well, let's move
on from that. But just get those knees above your waist,
ladies and gentlemen, and get the job done.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
That's a good BSA for your Tuesday morning. Right on
to today's show after three o'clock. A reminder to watch
our spending role overseas. So this is a survey by
money transfer company Wise found almost half of Kiwi say
they spend in the moment and worry later when they're
traveling overseas, and a similar similar number say money doesn't
feel real when they're on holiday. So why is travel

(03:56):
spending expert and can buy? She told hither to Police
Yellen that overspending becomes really easy as a result of
that feel good factor, and apparently a few people get
confused about currency conversions as well.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, I mean you get that thing when you're overseas.
You've got your budget, you save up for your trip,
and then you get over there and you go, well,
when are we ever going to be over here again?
And then you just go get the credit card out.
Every dinner's flash, every tourism opportunity if you happen to
be staying in a resort and say Hawaii, for example.
Every part of that operation is designed to rinse more

(04:29):
cash out of you than you've originally wanted.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
To spend night.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, so can you do it? Can you go overseas
and spend less or what you budgeted before you travel? Yep?
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's very hard. You get, you get, as they call it,
travel mathon yep.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Looking forward to your thoughts on that after three o'clock,
after two o'clock, from repeat drink drivers to first time offenders,
thousands of key Wes are working off their crimes in
the community instead of being behind bars on Hawk's Bay.
That can mean spending weekends planting, digging, maintaining gardens that
feed local madi and families, and for many the old
community service is a second chance, a way to give

(05:06):
back while staying out of prison. It still comes with accountability,
long hours, and the risk of being sent back to
court if they don't show up.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yes, community service, I've never done it. I've never been
involved in community service. But is it a good thing
or is it a bad thing? I always think about
this when it comes to community service. One of my
favorite comedians, Dmitri Martin, had this to say about community service.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
There's one thing I would say about everybody.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
There's a selfishness I think to human beings that we
just all sort of have just built in there. The
fact that community service is a punishment in our society,
it's a.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Pretty good sign, you know.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
I'd be like, just under prison, you get community service?
How badly did you love that? You have to help
the community?

Speaker 8 (05:55):
You pieces, what did you do.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
For thirty hours in the next calendar year?

Speaker 6 (06:03):
You have to help the commune? Wow, glad, I'm not you.
I bet you learn your lesson. Yeah, I trying to
get prison, but no, they're going to make me help.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
So good.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, So community service, we'll talk about that after three o'clock,
after two o'clock, after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Two o'clock, we're going to get into that a little
bit earlier.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I got that wrong.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, looking forward to your thoughts on that then. But
right now, let's have a chat about our defense bending.
So it's under the international spotlight after it was brought
up at a major security summit in Singapore shang ra La.
It was called during the Q and A UES Defense
Secretary Pete Higgeth Higgs higgsieth I should say, was questioned
by New Zealand journalist Anna Fifield. Here's the full interaction.

Speaker 9 (06:42):
I couldn't help but notice that New Zealand was missing
from your list of countries there. They have recently outlined
a plan to get from one percent two percent of GDP,
a long way from three point five. Would you consider
New Zealand to be a free rider?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Thank you, certainly sharp and clear question, New Zealand. I
appreciate the question.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I listen.

Speaker 10 (07:08):
I mean, if I'm being honest, I don't two percent
is not enough and so two percent is free loading.
But I don't have anything against New Zealand. I want
partners to step up. It was I didn't intentionally leave
it off my list. I look forward to working with
the new defense minister there and enhancing those capabilities. I
think that relationship has been a very fruitful one for
a very long time. But I think, as my friends

(07:30):
Richard Morrils and John Healy know, I'm probably the most
blunt with our closest friends.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
About what our capabilities are.

Speaker 10 (07:36):
And where they need to be to ensure that we're
locking arms and shields considering the threats of the world.
And we can't just say, oh, we've been friends for
a long time, so let's work together. It's we've been
friends for a long time, so you better have the
same capabilities we do, because if we don't, our alliance
is meaningless. And and that's the kind of realism President

(07:58):
Trump has asked me to inject into all relationships.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, so a bit of a slip at the time
when he talked about a new defense minister, Chris Pink
you see, but he didn't mean that he's not gonna
newcare defense minister. Interesting that, you know, she comes up
with that question. She goes, I couldn't I couldn't help,
but notice, and we're a long way from reaching the
three point five percent, she says they are, even though

(08:23):
she's in New Zealander. Would you consider New Zealander free
rider's that's a real put your hand up, and is
that telling tales on your own country?

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It stopped us.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Is that either quality journalism or telling tales on your
country or both things? It was everyone cracked up because
it was such an intense question, as the moderator said,
a sharp and clear question.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
So what do you say on this? So one hundred
and eighty ten eighty do you think we are freeloaders
or is he wrong on that that we are doing
plenty when it comes to our military spend.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yes, I said before. Sometimes New Zealand reminds me of
one of those planets that the crew from Star Trek
come across, and that they appear on the screen and
they say things like we're a peaceful planet, we have
no weapons, we do not believe in war, and then
the Klingons attack. Can they ask Starfleet for help?

Speaker 8 (09:12):
We seek peaceful coexistence.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
That's pretty stereolo. When a planet says that they're peaceful
and we have no weapons, it normally goes badly for them.
On Star Trek, it certainly does. For this isn't Star Trek,
this is real life. What do you think one hundred
and eighty ten eighty do you think that we should
attempt to get to three point five percent of our

(09:44):
GDP spent on defense to be good allies for the Americans?

Speaker 5 (09:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Nine two ninety two is the text. Come on through,
tell us your view. This is going to be a
great chat at a sixteen past one bag very shortly.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Be nineteen past one. So a journalist stopped us so
into the United States that we're not spending enough on
our defense spending. So are they right? Are we pulling
our weight or being pressured into a new global standard?
What do you say? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighties
a number to call it?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Is good journalism, says this text to try and oh sorry,
I've read that wrong. Is it good journalism to try
and embarrass our country's government? Not in my world? The
sticks of that journalist woman asked that question is absolutely stupid.
What a mora on? She just cost us hundreds of thousands,
if not millions of dollars that we can't afford. Cheers
Land and the sticks says, high guys too things. I

(10:42):
think she asked a direct question to get a direct answer. Secondly,
can we defend ourselves? Probably not? So that's what he means.
We need to be able to defend ourselves and not
depend on allies to defend us. Well, that would be
a big guy. Ask for us to get to a
military defense level that we could actually defend.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Ourselves a lot more than three point five percent. But
what do you say, Craig, how are you?

Speaker 11 (11:02):
First of all, I'd just like to say that I
think that the part of the Americans having said that.

Speaker 12 (11:09):
Needs to be ignored.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
It's actually a.

Speaker 11 (11:12):
Fact, whether we don't like the Americans saying it out
loud or not. We have a proud military history, naval,
air Force, and army, and we may not be the
force that can stand on the shorelines and fight off
the big enemy by ourselves, but we've always proudly been
able to incorporate our forces into the other forces, sometimes

(11:35):
even training what are the bigger forces, to the standards
that we set for our own, our own military people
set and don't. I don't think this is a question
of should we we should?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
So you think we need we should invest up to
three point five percent of GDP, which would be a
four hundred and forty five billion New Zealand dollars a year.
Normally you do GBT should have fifteen point five billion
a year. We should have a force that.

Speaker 11 (12:04):
Has the modern technology and weaponry fit to use in
a in a modern situation. I'm not saying that you
have to do that every year, but we definitely need
to upgrade immensely the situation for our military and.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
What about the deals with NATO, Craig, You know, because
the NATO agreement made last year was that all nations
within NATO should be spending three point ur point five percent.
So even if you say, forget what the US are saying,
that's an agreement we are a part of. When when
you know, things hit the fan and we need our allies.
I thought we were a part of NATO. Perhaps not.

Speaker 11 (12:44):
I was not aware that we were in NATO. But
I don't care whether we're in NATO or not. I'm
talking about when we are in a situation where our
military is just a little bit of a shambles as
far as equipment and stuff goes. We have some of
the best personnel in the world in our military forces
and they're forced to run around a pop gun sort

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of equivalent to what's going on in the world. And
we need to show them the respect and give them
the stuff that they should be using. And I'm talking
the respective. I don't care what Australia or America's doing.
America has pointed out something here and it might hurt
us because America said it, and we don't like Donald
Trump and Donald Trump's in charge of America, so we

(13:25):
obviously don't like it. Twice, I'm talking about our own pride,
our own military.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's an interesting thing with the military now, though, Craig.
Have you followed what's happening in the Ukraine War with
the incredible advancements that happened just every month over there,
with how warfare is being you know what's being deployed
in warfare. And I just wonder where you would spend
the money now, because you say we need a modern
defense force, but things are changing so much you could

(13:54):
spend one point five billion dollars on a frigate or whatever,
just to pull a number out of my ass. And
just what the Ukrainians are doing to the Russian Navy
in the Black Seas suggests that everything is changing so fast.
So where do you think we if we were going
to spend this money, we should spend that money.

Speaker 11 (14:15):
I think that we need I don't think going and
trying to be trying to be the Navy big time
is actually the way to go. But we should have
a coastal force that's going to be an alert force.
I agree with you that the drone technology that Ukraine
has instigated has taken advancements like Way Way Ahead, and

(14:37):
maybe we could look into that. But the stuff, the
other stuff that I'm talking about is that when we're
training like our army guys, and it might be for
a force for the United Nations, and when they go somewhere,
we don't want to look like the guys that came
off the street. We want to look like the military
from New Zealand, and we want to have the equipment.

(14:59):
And it might not be that we're going to go
into a war, but it's going to be that we
are ready and able to take part with our allies
is needed.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, good on your Craig, Thanks for your Caul. Appreciate that. Yeah.
So New Zealand isn't a member of NATO because that
is a European North American alliance.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I did misspeak.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, but we we are. You describe us as a
close long standing Indo Pacific partner.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, yeah, we're part of the some of those security agreements.
But you're right, we're not a member, but we've got
those close ties with NATO.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
It's not really something for us to be a member of,
but it is a relationship build on sheared democratic values.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yes, yeah, no, thank you, mates, right, keep those calls
coming through on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are
you like Craig, do you agree that we need to
increase spending it but not because the US tells us
we need to. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
a number to call.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Because it's the right thing to do, according to Craig,
twenty five past one.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
Here yourself. Think it's the make Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Winston Peters is with us.

Speaker 13 (16:01):
Do you reckon? There's enough New Zealanders who understand the
point we're in the message that was sent and here's
our reality.

Speaker 14 (16:08):
You can win an election with that tuttle is that
you know, there's an old saying that it shouldn't waste
a crisis. But in twenty twenty three covers that election
and said after there was no appreciation in large chunks
of the government of just how serious crisis was. Otherwise
there will never been so forced to say, look, we
can fix it. You know, you say we can fix it.

Speaker 15 (16:27):
You need to.

Speaker 14 (16:28):
Diminister the crisis, and there we are and one we'll
take three terms to turn around properly. And you say
you're going to fix it tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
And it's sad hither duplusy Ellen on the Mic Hosking
Breakfast fac tomorrow at six am with Bailey's Real Estate
on News Talks d B.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Are we pulling our weights when it comes to defense
spending or being pressured into a new global standard? The
US would like us to spend three point five percent
of GDP? What do you say to sixte?

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Is I preferred to partner with Ozzie and not the
current US administration is three point five percent GDP appropriate?
What do we spend on health and education? That should
be the benchmark. We are a nation of five million,
so aspirations may not be aligned with reality. Yeah, I
mean that's why it's three point five percent of GDP.
So you're aligning it worth the size of your GDP.
It's not just a figure that you have to spend

(17:12):
because no one's listening us to spend what the Americans
spend on defense.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Close to a trillion roger.

Speaker 13 (17:19):
What do you say, well, I say that the first
thing is to tell the Americans to blug her off.
I said, because we've got a budget, we know how
much we can spend.

Speaker 15 (17:27):
We've broke.

Speaker 13 (17:28):
We are putting money towards our defense, So we'll step
up with the best that we can afford, because, as
other callers are saying, we've got medical you know, we
got all the whole rest of the budget, sorry, rest
of the economy to look after. The other thing I
saw was why don't we try and talk to well

(17:49):
the powers to be Because over in Australia they're licensing
companies over there that build their Bushmaster full drives or
whatever it is, and another by the No Troop Carrier,
and each company employs five to six hundred people. So
why can't we be licensed to produce something along those lines.
So one offset, it's the cost of what we're putting

(18:10):
into defense, so we actually build the things for ourselves.
So it's another that's one option I thought we could
look at.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
It's interesting, what isn't that because people talk about the
you know, it's the sort of the secret of the
industrial military complexes. America spends a lot of money, but
it spends a lot of money in America, so America
would probably like us to buy a bunch of stuff
off them. But if we could make stuff in New Zealand,
as you say, then you're spending the money, but the

(18:38):
money is staying within our economy, and that's you know,
we have some pretty high end drone manufacturers in New Zealand,
and I know that we're planning to spend some of
this increase in defense spending that has been already signed
off within within New Zealand. But the more you can
do internally, the better, you'd say for our economy.

Speaker 13 (18:57):
Roger absolutely, And I noticed that I think Canada is
canceled an order of thirty fives from America and not
buying them from Sweden. So I think other countries are
looking at their budgets and what they can afford and
what's out there. So I think it's it's been quite
prudent to look at what's out there and what we
need and can we build it here, because if we can,

(19:20):
it just offsets everything. And also if the order is
big enough, will produce for ourselves and for the rest
of our allies.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Who do you think would come to our defense if
we had a security issue in New Zealand out of
all the powers in the world, who do you think
is most likely to come to our defense?

Speaker 13 (19:42):
Well, I think Australia would.

Speaker 16 (19:46):
No.

Speaker 13 (19:46):
No, But again, we've we've been fighting with the Americans
and what's name for since World War Two, So we've
got history with us, and there'd be other countries out there,
possibly some parts of Nati or whatever, that would come
to our aid. They know what we've got, they know
what we can offer. And again we've we haven't been
a shonky nation, So I think I'm quite happy that

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we'd be looked after and they know what we can do.
We know we'll step up with what we've got and
trying to be pretentious and go, look, I'm going to
spend ten billion dollars on some shiny piece of crap.
Is We're going to do it because we can't. We
wouldn't be able to afford to feel the bloody thing.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean, if you look at the cost of frigates, right,
so the absolutely basic light frigate is going to cost
you one point two billion. But if you want to
get to like a top end, you know, ear defense frigate,
like something that's actually significant and could be actually sent
in to, you know, do something in a really defensive way,
that could be between four and eight billion dollars just

(20:44):
on its on its own, so they take it on it.
So as a country, as you say, Roger, we have
to be clever with how we spend the money because absolutely, Yeah,
because as you say, a big shiny object, we say, hey,
look we've got this new frigate. Next thing, you know,
someone spends fifteen hundred dollars on drones to take it down.

Speaker 13 (21:03):
Absolutely. And the other thing too, is you've got I'll say,
what's nice in flesh today is out.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
Of day tomorrow.

Speaker 13 (21:09):
So again, what we've got is wages for the for
the military, which is great low end stuff like drones,
and that the basics of what we need, well trained,
that's all I think we need to do.

Speaker 8 (21:19):
Yeah, not go for the top.

Speaker 13 (21:21):
In America and those big countries. That's their per view
that that's the top end. We're just the basics doing
what we have to do in a great way.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, massive pay increases for the defense force. We've got
son for the money stays in the system.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, what do you say? One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call a Nine to nine
two is the text headlines with railing coming.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Up, Dave's Dave Say's team China China are most likely
to come to our rescue to.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Agree with day Okay, Dave can come on through with
some supporting evidence, jumping up.

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Speaker 2 (23:14):
Thank you very much for aileen. So we're talking about
comments from US Defense Secretary Pete Headskith. A New Zealand
journist dobbed us in and basically asked him at a
security summit where the New Zealand was doing enough, We're
increasing our spend from about one percent to two percent,
and he said, Nope, that's not enough. You need to
go to three point five percent. But there's been we're
taking your calls on that old one hundred and eighty

(23:35):
ten eighty. Do you agree with Pete Headskith or not.
But there's been plenty of texts coming through on nine
to nine two, and it is very topical this particular
situation because last week you had the Al Tiro Music
Awards and some comments were made that got a lot
of headlines by Linda Top and there's been plenty of
texts come through like this one. Yidda, guys, I agree
with Linda Top. I say that we spend far too

(23:58):
much on defense as it is. We should be injecting
all of that, or at least a massive chunk into
the arts. Now, to refrush your memory, here's a little
bit of what Linda had to say.

Speaker 18 (24:09):
I did a speed read on the budget this afternoon.
There doesn't appear to be any money for music, but
in big, big letters in the top of the news
two point one billion for defense.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
What are we going to do?

Speaker 18 (24:30):
Language if somebody invades a Tierro?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
What are we going to do?

Speaker 18 (24:36):
We've got approximately three tanks and two of those are
set in concrete, and wyuu.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
If you give that two point.

Speaker 18 (24:49):
One billion dollars to the arts, wherever you are, mister Goldstein,
you tell me, you tell me what you're going to
do with that two point one because you give it
to us. You put alien weaponry up the front, and

(25:10):
you've put deck move right and beside them, and you put.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Hoti Show on a horse and behind them.

Speaker 18 (25:22):
And I'm gonna be at the top of the hill.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
It's pretty funny, it's very passionate, very patient.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
I guess there is a I mean, she's making a joke,
but I guess there's a logic floor. If we only
have three tanks and wouldn't there be a reason to
spend more money on on defense exactly. But also did
she think Goldstein from the old asb Ads was in there?
You know those gold.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Goldstein, the old accountant on the farm.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
The sixth. This is of course we're free loading, and
I've done since the nineteen eighties. Why is there this
need to pretend we're not a defense spend is pathetic
and we're most definitely relying on the goodwill of Australia
and the US. Okay, they go the sticks of Hey guys,
New Zealand is like a nice bot, mostly running on
renewable energy, but if you leave it out for long

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enough without protection, someone might take it. Yes, we need
to do our best to spend as much as we
can on the military. Whereas this guy says, hey guys,
we are part of five eyes. We are way more
valuable to our partners than a percent spend to GDP.
To use our GDP spending as a nonsense, especially when
you consider most the states in America have bigger GDPs
than New Zealand. A strategic position in the Asia Pacific,

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it's critical to any conflict in the region. We have
more cards than we give ourselves credit. Before. It's an
interesting point there, and this six says, hey, guys, here's
an idea, And I mean it's seriously for all those
on job seeker for an extended time, that we divert
the welfare cost to defense and mandate conscription if you're
still unemployed after six months. Make it compulsory, minimum twelve

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months term with extension being an option. Training only, active
conflict service to be optional. Kills two birds with one
stone without increasing the tax. Burgen Burden have a great
one Mark state. I'm not sure of flind the top
would approve of that one.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
No great career in the military people, even Coldstein BJ.
What's your thoughts on this.

Speaker 16 (27:18):
I'm not sure that we should take any advice from
the American military because they've actually created more wars and
we've been dragged into with them than anybody on the planet.
We really need to identify who the enemy is. And frankly,
we look at China and we've had free trade with
them from the beginning and we still haven't got it

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from America. So they're only interested in the dollar. And
as I say, we've followed them into too many battles
that they've created. There they were to sort out their
own stuff at home before they start ruling the world.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
So do you think that do you think that we
should just distance ourselves from the United States? And who
should who should our allies be? Who do you see
allies as bj?

Speaker 16 (28:01):
Well, we should we should be neutrals as in the Swiss,
because we don't have to chewing any particular So, and
to tell the truth, I'm sure China would come to
our age if we needed them. They've done as well
with their trading.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
So you think that So you think that that China
would come to our aid? Do you think that we
have a shared.

Speaker 12 (28:24):
Well, they're not military, surely?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Are they not the enemy? Because you know a lot
of the talk about building up of our military is
because of the increased presence in the Pacific of China.
Why do you think you're increasing their presence in the
in the Pacific? Beja, they bought.

Speaker 16 (28:41):
Three ships, berylships down to set off the coast of Sydney,
just to show them that they have the capacity to
do whatever they like. And they don't. We've got ships
of our own that sail through the South China Sea.
What the hell are we doing well over there? And
upset I know it's both some part of a political

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nuclear proliferation agreement that we all take turns looking at them,
but we are miles away and which any out fishing boats?
You know, what the hell?

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah? Do you think democracy? Do you think democratic principles
and values are important? Because generally our allies historically have
been with, you know, democracies. Do you think that's important,
because because China's not a.

Speaker 16 (29:23):
Democracy, democracy isn't telling everybody else what they had to
fight wars that they're starting.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
I mean, well, well, America's not America is saying. All
America is saying is if you want to be partners
with us. I don't think they care. In fact that
Pete Higgs and even put us on the list. He
wasn't even thinking about us until the reporter asked the question.
So I guess the problem for us would be if
they just don't even acknowledge that that we're any part
of anything, that they any part of their plans would

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be the problem.

Speaker 16 (29:55):
They like us to stand there and wave a flag
and just so that they can count the number of
flags on board, but we're not any good to any
of them, and we should be more focused on our
own well they.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Like to get us on the list. Don't they like
our name just for a list? Yeah, we're going into
a conflict. Ye think if you call b JA, I
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Do you agree with BJ? Do you think China would
come to our rescue if we needed it or we
could have stronger military ties with that particular country? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighties the number to call and
nine two ninety two is the text number. It's sixteen
to two, back very shortly, the.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Issues that affect you, and a bit of fun along
the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Be fourteen to two. So New Zealand's defense spending has
come under international scrutiny after being raised at a major
security summit in Singapore. Should we be spending three point
five percent of our GDP on the military as the
US would like?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
The six is? How dare you laugh at Linda Top
after her sister had just died? Do you not care
about her and her grieving? Linda did more for New
Zealand's GDP when she was with us than you ever did. Well,
it was actually Juels that passed away, and actually last
week we made Jewels Top our New Zealander of the
word thing that we do at the end of each
show we did. She's great New Zealander. She was a

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great Newsealander. But Linda was making a joke that wasn't
completely serious at an awards show, right, that's right. So
she's a fantastic musician and a great comedian and a
great New Zealander. But I don't think anyone is going
to Linda Top for her defense policy. And I don't
think that was the main push thrust of her speech.

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It was big upping the musicians that we were there
for the arts, because she's a big part of the arts.
That's why it was so bizarre that that certain news
media organizations led with their speech as if it was
some kind of rebuttal to the budget. It was. Of
course she is pro arts. Of course she's you know,

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a peaceful person. But you know it was to get.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Laughs at an award Yep, some classic Linda Top humor. Yeah,
and there was everybody was in the audience and it
was funny too, good lines in there.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
But thank you very much for your text, Nigel, your
thoughts on how much we spend on events.

Speaker 19 (32:10):
Yeah, hi guys.

Speaker 20 (32:12):
So my thoughts are we need to get rid of
the nuclear free dance. It's run its course very much
something we're dragged from the nineteen eighties. When it comes
to defense spending, I feel what we should do is
allow America to have a base both a based on

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the North Island of the South Island for the naval base
and he's maybe also in the Air Force base as well,
and return they can supply and train and fire defense force.
So therefore we don't really need to spend.

Speaker 15 (32:50):
Anything on it.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Now.

Speaker 20 (32:51):
My son's in the Army and when they're going away
on doing field exercises and that they are using equipment
that's come out of the Vietnam era when they go
over to Australia to do exercises and these guys are
pulling out decades.

Speaker 15 (33:07):
Old I equipment, embarrassing for them.

Speaker 20 (33:12):
Yeah, you know, we need to be really savvy about
what's going on in the world, and the change is
geopolitical changes going on at the moment, and one of
your previous courts, we're right, Yeah, it's a chess board.
Pieces are being moved at the moment, and it's not
just through America's you know China as well as some
of the other superpowers. So we have to we have

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to sit down, have a really good discussion with ourselves
and see who do we want to be here. It's
very well say if we have a security issue, Australia
will come to our our defense. Well they won't because
if we've got security issues in New Zealand, then you
can absolutely guarantee that Australia will be having the same
level of security issues and they will be looking at

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defending their own countries.

Speaker 21 (33:55):
So that is true.

Speaker 15 (33:57):
They need that we need that ally here.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
That is true, Nigel, But it's been you know, forgotten
and I had to look it up. But that deal
that we made with the Australian military, this is Judith
Collins in March this year. They call it ANZAC twenty
thirty five. So effectively, it's a deal made with Australia
that we will have an interchangeable defense force by that
time still sovereign countries, but we share an equipment and
technology and effectively, I mean this comes into this conversation

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right that whatever we spend on defense, whatever they spend
on defense, they get the big subs and the big
gear maybe and then we could focus on perhaps the drones.
So we're actually working with another country to try and
have the best defense force between both of us. Does that,
you know, kind of aid our situation when we do a.

Speaker 22 (34:39):
Deal like that, Yeah, it does, but it's only small,
you know, we China, China, we're poking the nose, poking
their nose in our backyard just last year.

Speaker 20 (34:51):
And Australia with one of the naval vessels. Yeah, what's
going to happen if China suddenly park up six eight
twelve the naval vessels out of the specific ocean. Yeah,
and then they we can take over Australia.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Because it gives us in milk solids, Giuz, we're sick
of paying something gives us your milk solids right now.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
So here you go, China, please leave us a toone.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Do you think China, do you think it would be
a risk though, if we had these American bases there
and they're not being suggested, but you know that you're
you're flooding at Nigel. Do you think there will be
a risk? You know how dependent we are in China
for for you know, economically, do you think that that
is the difficult dance we're doing.

Speaker 20 (35:32):
They've got they've got to be part of our payoff
of allowing America to have bases here.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, free trade deal.

Speaker 20 (35:39):
We if we lose such and such to China because
of allowing you in here, you guys have got to
one drop the tariffs too. You've got to You've got
to replace what we lose in our trade to China
or help get us into other other markets. There's seemly
got a payoff. You know, we can't cut off our
nose to spy our face. But it's very really out there.
And who do we want? Who we want to protect us?

Speaker 23 (36:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I think if you're cool, Nigel, do you agree? One
hundred and eight ten eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
To niney two is the takes And that is the
big question. Who do we want to come to our
if we need them?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, it's an interesting one when we talk about budgets
and how much you spend on defense and where it
goes and up next to or share how much of
the US's defense budget stays within the US economy, because
I think that's a that's a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
That's great, big part of the equation that's coming up next.
It is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty it's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news DOGSB.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
News DOGSB. It is five to two.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, so they've got the sex. You're saying, if you
spend fifteen billion in New Zealand to get up to
the three point five percent, a lot will actually stay
in the country. Look at how the US budget works.
Pistol leaves the country. Yeah, it's interesting. So the US
approximate spending is between nine hundred and twenty and nine
hundred and fifty billion on defense annually. Right up there,

(37:00):
isn't it. And so when you look at that though,
roughly two hundred billion stays within the American economy and
wages for the military. And then if you go across
the entire budget, between eighteen and ninety percent of their
budget stays within the United States. So, you know, we

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were talking about social welfare last week and people were
ringing in and they were saying that, you know, people,
you spend money on social welfare and those people spend
it within the economy. There's no reason why the New
Zealand you know, defense budget couldn't be worked out such
as we we have a whole lot more active military personnel.

(37:40):
Pay them well, yep, we invest in drone technology built
in New Zealand, got the companies and you know, we
up our defense spending such that allies are happy. But
actual fact, it's staying within in New Zealand's economy.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
It's a great business model. What do you say though, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty, can we do that? And
should we do that? We're going to carry this on
after two o'clock. Have taken your calls on Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty and ninety two ninety two is
the text, and there's been great text that comes from
over the last hour. We'll get to some of those
very shortly. Great to have your company on this Tuesday afternoon.
You're listening to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Stay right here,

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we'll be back in a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
The big stories, the big issues, the trends, and everything

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Speaker 2 (38:53):
Talk SAB Welcome back into the show. Great to have
your company. It is six past two and we're carrying
out us on our discussion about our defense beending. This
is after it came under the spotlights at the Shangra
La Security Summit in Singapore. The New Zealand stand a
Fiefield Dobb Dusson during a Q and A with UIs
Defense Secretary Pete hig Seth and asked whether a increase

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to two percent of GDP was enough New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I appreciate the question. I listen.

Speaker 10 (39:21):
I mean, if I'm being honest, I don't two percent
is not enough and so two percent is free loading.
But I don't have anything against New Zealand. I want
partners to step up. I look forward to working with
the new defense minister there and enhancing those capabilities. I
think that relationship has been a very fruitful one for
a very long time.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
So are we pulling our way? So are we being
appreciated to that global standard of three point five percent GDP?

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Good A.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Matt and Tyler, the journalist who ask the question to
Higsyth would be like that person that one person at
a boring staff meeting when it's about to wrap up
before lunch and they keep asking questions to prolong the pain.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Does feel a bit like that. Yeah, good text.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Uh, the stixst is see gosh, so much stuff coming in.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Oh my god, where is
this text that I was going to read? It was
a great t Oh No, I lost.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
The anticipation is building.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
I'll read this one because it starts off with this
Afternoon Guy's Great Show. China has a standing army of
one million troops. If they have a dead invade New Zealand,
I strongly doubt the US would risk a full on
war with China over US, just like the US hasn't
engaged directly with Russia over the war in Ukraine. Cheers Steve.
So even if we did have, we were three point

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five because we don't have a formal agreement with them,
do we No? We mean no, I mean we're running
a bit of the ANSAs situation. So you know, as
this Texa points out, NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty,
we are South Pacific. We had ANSAs and literally blew
it with the anti nuke policy. So we're already out
on the outer in terms of anzas, right. So we're

(40:57):
very close with you know, Australia, you know, and we've
just we've we've announced recently that we're going to mesh
even more so with Australia going forward in terms of
our defense capability. But as far as America is concerned,
we're already stepped out of anzas. So even if we
did go up to three point five percent, would we

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really be seen as a as such an essential partner
that they would they would go up against China for US.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I reckon they would. I definitely reckon they would. Because
the Pacific region is of strategic importance to the US
and Australia, and if we get into trouble, then you
hope the Aussies are going to step in because we've
got this new partnership. And if the Aussie step in,
I mean that's like the Domino's falling, right, So then
you've got effectively two allies, traditional allies of the US
in trouble in the Pacific region, which is of strategic

(41:49):
importance to America. I would hope in that situation then
they would step in. But if that, God forbid happens,
we're in a lot of trouble either way.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, how important is five eyes? So you know we're
one of the New Zealand, Australia, the United States, United
Kingdom Canada. We are the Five Eyes, so you know,
we're the smallest member, but we do provide valuable intelligence,
that's right, because of our location. I mean, we're the
only one of those in the South Pacific. So is
that worth enough for them to come in and help us?

(42:19):
You know, we're five Eyes. It's we're intercepting foreign communications.
You know, we're monitoring the South Pacific region for them.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
It's a big part of the puzzle. Isn't it an
intelligence puzzle?

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we're intercepting cybersecurity, in cyber threats.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
That's something that is something although a lot.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Of people are very antius being part of the Five Eyes.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
That's right. But what do you say, I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty would the US come in and aid
us if we needed to? If we do or do
not get to that three point five percent GDP, it's
a big question. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call A nine two ninety two
is the text? It is ten pass two back very shortly.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
If one million Chinese soldiers invaded, they have nowhere to stay,
that's true. Actually maxed out?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Need more hotels? Yeah, back in a mo.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Be thirteen past two. So are we free loading when
it comes to defense spending or are we being pressure
to spend more than we actually need to? What do
you say?

Speaker 7 (43:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to caller
nineteen nine two texts.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
A lot of positive text coming through around the discussion.
This isn't one of them. You two goose stepping fastt
should get the hell out of my country and piss
off to the White House and kiss your beloved Donald
Trump's on the ass. Spend more on defense, No way.
No one is going to attack to attack us, apart
from Donnie the.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Heedo whoa whoa, Okay, lost it there.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
So I was thinking about this new term trumpeting. I
think I was going to call it, which is when
you inject Trump into a conversation that he doesn't need
to be. So, if you're asking the question about whether
we should increase our military spending to strengthen our ties
with America, does that really make you a goose stepping
fascist for asking the question. And surely talkback radio is

(44:09):
the is a completely unfascist thing, and that it is
the absolute epitome of free speech. Yeah, anyone, anyone can
ring oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty and have a
conversation with us.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
A couple of bones of helve contention there in that text.
But you've written in that first part.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
That is that the text of someone that's terminally online.
Aren't they just absolutely had their mind addled by the algorithm.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, I think that's a definition definition of a trumpeter.
But what do you say, Oh, eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 8 (44:38):
Bob?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 24 (44:40):
Yes, you're taking my mind all over the place, But
I will say I'll go I'm an ex military man.
I've spent many years in the Navy, but I'm well
retired many years away now, so that's my background. Basically,
we are not spending our dues. I don't believe we

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do need a defense force because of a maritime nation,
but recently we are now tied. I think what Heskett
was doing the other day was trying to get some
more money because we just bought the Poseidon aircraft and
the Sea one thirty JS Well we're going to have those.
We're dependent now on America for those support for those

(45:21):
who were probably in excess of the next forty years
to keep them operator. They got the kit, so if
they turn them off, they don't go. So I believe
from that point of view. Look, America is looking for
money now Canada. Canada's just canceled a multi billion order
for the thirty fives thirty fives and also for their

(45:46):
maritime surveillance aircraft too for their northern border. They're going
to buy them I think from Sweden as well. Well,
that's a big, big loss of money that you talked about.
America spends most of their money internally. Well thought that
was external money they was beending to Canada. Will Canada's
turn them off and they're looking so us, Oh, we

(46:07):
can get more money. New Zealand spend more, spend more,
Yes we do, but three point five percent, No, I
don't think we can justify it. But I'll tell you what. Recently,
I'm down to Bay a plenty. There was a navy
ship in two over the weekend and I got to
talking to a couple of sailors and being ex Navy,
I actually exercising working up prelimentary to doing a deployment.

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From the end of this month, they're going to the
doing the room pack exercise off Hawaii, I believe in July,
you know month's time. So they're going to be there
as part of that. So they're doing a work up
and I suggest them, you know, what are you doing
for your tuning and testing for you you know, radars
and missile things and all that sort of thing. Well,

(46:52):
because you know, we don't have any fast jets in
New Zealand, do we, No, we don't. Well, they found
a couple a base in two L thirty nine Albatross.
I think they're the Czechoslovakia. They used to be down
at Warbirds Wanka. They are renting them to fly fast
jet and they're not really a fast jets. The fastest

(47:16):
they can get so that this ship can actually tune
and test. It's very equipment when it is with the
real deal.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's a teast cheese, isn't it. I've just looked it up.
It's a high performance jet trainer.

Speaker 24 (47:29):
Oh yeah, it's a military trainer. It is capable of
carrying weapons, but they're using it because they need to.
They need something fast, a faster than a than you know,
a local propeller or of an aircraft. Than are we
we do we should be spending something. I mean, I

(47:50):
blame Helen Clak. They should never have disposed of the
the airports, the skyhawks. Yes, although they were going to
get a good deal for the sixteens. I think they
were going to get but never happened. But yes, we
are not pulling our weight. And now Australia, I mean
we're staying in a knife Australia. We've got to combine
with them, but they're about to get nuclear submarines, and

(48:13):
those nuclear submarines are not going to be allowed to
come di Nisium. I heard the Prime ministers say it
this morning. They will not be allowed our non nuclear.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
I mean, how bizarre is that that we will not
allow and look quite apart from the nuclear issue, but
that we would not allow Australia our closest our Anzac buddies.
We celebrate Anzac Day together. We wouldn't be allowing some
of their military you know, hardware into our country. That

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is quite a bizarre situation, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (48:47):
Alliance where you can't where you don't let your closest
allies come to your country with all their equipment that
is going.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
To that's a bizarre situation for us to be and
we're going to be saying to Australia, nah, it's.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Going to have to come to our head, right because
we've got that agreement that would signed. It's going to
be an interchangeable military by twenty thirty five. They get
their first sub delivered in twenty.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
What if one of these subs breaks down and they
need the nearest safe harbor is I don't know, and
we say no, sorry, drag at home.

Speaker 24 (49:22):
I did actually say on the weekend when they last
had exercises with Australian submar you know their colins class
out here and they said never well in their lifetime
in the navy. Yeah, he's not playing with them. Now
we are doing you know, we are not doing enough
to give our young sailors the well, we don't give

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them a kit to make them really qualified. They're going
to a major exercise up with the Americans and the
Australians and the Koreans and the Japanese all they are
going to be there, and yet we haven't had the
decent quip. That's where they're going to try working the
ship up in reality to get the real deal.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Now, Bob, you talked about before about how you know
the Americans will want us to spend the money with them,
and of course the Americans spend their money within their
own economy. And you know, you know, the military industrial
complex is much about economy as it is about defense.
So how would you feel, you know, you're in total
on it and you've got aerospace working down there that

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at the cutting edge of drone technology. What if New
Zealand's you know, got up to the three point five
percent of GDP, but was spending the majority of it
in New Zealand on New Zealand companies.

Speaker 24 (50:39):
I think that would be a great idea because the
new frigates, I mean, we've only got two. The minimum
we have to make to be effective has got to
before it gives you at least one available all time.
Don't forget part of this time during COVID two of
our the only two we had were up on refit
in Canada, So for over two years we didn't have
any frigates in the country. So where they missed I

(51:02):
don't know. Well, they weren't call upon because they weren't available.
But if we drone technology. I think that's the new issue.
Get shipps capable operating drones and you've got the drone
technology here in tower On. You don't need us. You know,
a multimillion dollar frigate is only you've said it before,
is only as good as the first drone to get

(51:23):
through its defenses. But yes, I believe we should up
as spending, but do it in a way that protects US.
But we can't protect ourselves without Australia certainly, and would
America come down here? And bear in mind, China is
our biggest trading partner.

Speaker 25 (51:42):
It's a real.

Speaker 24 (51:44):
It's connumbinum.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
And one thing, what if what if China invades Taiwan?
Where are we going to be there? That's that's something
that really worries me. We've got the biggest trading partner.
I mean, this could really come to a head very
very quickly if that happened.

Speaker 24 (51:59):
Where do we go?

Speaker 11 (52:00):
Where do we go?

Speaker 24 (52:01):
You answer the question? Because I certainly can't.

Speaker 21 (52:04):
Well.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Also, further to what you're saying, Bob, and I think
I was talking about it before, but if you looked
at what the Ukrainian drone program has done to the
Russian Navy in the Black Sea they've decimated, so there's
incredibly expensive you know, and high tech Russian Navy has

(52:25):
basically cannot operate and that they've basically they've been rendered
completely useless by these incredibly cheap drones.

Speaker 24 (52:33):
Exactly because they've already sunk that well, that was missiles
that sunk the Russian cruiser in the Black Sea right
early in the conflict. But now I believe the Russian Navy,
whatever ships, they are scared to leave out of Odessa
because the Ukrainians they're watching and they've got i mean,

(52:53):
their technology, and I think I have some idea that
what this crowd in Twan with the drones they are in.
I think they have some communications with the in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
They do. I think they've done a deal with the
UK and to a less are extent Ukraine. But you're right,
so you know, a company like that is doing some
some deals with the likes of the UK and.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Anyone that's trying to move drone technology before in a
military sense, as you know, very focused on the Ukraine
because that technology just because of what happens in war,
the intensity of war and you know, the stakes of
war mean that technology just developed so incredibly fast, and
that's what's happening in the Ukraine. But I don't even think,

(53:37):
you know, the Russians can't even aren't even safe and
Sevestopol when it comes to their navy, it's it's crazy.

Speaker 24 (53:45):
New Zealand if we go up our spending. But we can,
as you now, we're saying we can do it internally
with weapons that can. I mean, drones can be great
for you know, for our own use, you know, in
emergencies and but you know, we know weather events and things.
Drones can get to places where people can't and do
that sort of stuff. So the same thing if we

(54:07):
get that funded from defense, give some government money, make
it defense capable as well.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Bob, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Some good good points there. So are you with Bob?
Do we need to go all in and go all
in on the likes of droning technology?

Speaker 21 (54:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty after the break as well,
just seeing a text and someone is very triggered. God,
I'm getting more triggered listening to this topic. So we'll
read that out next. They are very triggered.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Love triggering.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah, absolutely, twenty five pasts too, Beckonam.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB, Very.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Good afternoon to you. It is twenty seven past too,
So we're talking about our defense spending. Doesn't need to
be high. Does it need to be three point five
percent of GDP as the US would like us to
spend a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Very positive with Bob for his call one hundred percent
with Bob common sense, great conversation. The six says, I'm
shocked at the naivety of your listeners. The biggest threat
to New Zealand is not another country but cartels. The
volume of drugs passing through our borders are staggering. We
need to protect our borders for the future of our country.
Stop being so narrow minded. That's from John, who was
getting triggered before Tyler.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Here's the text here. God, guys, I'm getting more triggered
listening to this topic. It is not just about the US,
It is about defending a society. Western culture is under
attack right now. We are part of Western culture, perhaps
the greatest culture in humanity. Surely that is worth defending and.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Then just responded, I am triggered, but I'm loving the debate.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
We love triggering people.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
It's not bad to get triggered. No, sometimes you need
to get triggered.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Brings out a bit of passion of people.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, it's commonly expected China will try and take Taiwan
within the next twenty four months, not long to wait
and see how well we're placed. And that is a
terrifying situation for us to be in. Absolutely so, China
invades Taiwan and New Zealand's allies go on to defend Taiwan.

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China as our biggest trading partner.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
What do we do?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
What do we do?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
That is I don't know how you unpack that conundrum. Yeah,
hopefully someone up there has got a plan.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Hopefully, hopefully we can figure it out. If that time
does come, Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. We'll get grunting quickly, get a
grunt Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're nice to chat with you mate,
We've got about two minutes. What's your thought. You support
investing in defense.

Speaker 21 (56:36):
Yeah, but in the right place. It's not about chucking
huge numbers on the problem. It's about getting the right target.
Is there what we're talking about spending the money in
the right place.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah, whe would that be? Where would you spend a
grunt technology?

Speaker 21 (56:52):
Absolutely technology, we can't chuck soldiers at it. We can't
chuck military or artillery or or ships. We just can't
not having.

Speaker 12 (57:04):
But I think the.

Speaker 21 (57:05):
Government is selling New Zealand short and we've got the capability,
absolutely capability of technology. We've proven that time and time
again over decades, even with the drones as the latest
so to speak. But we were spending a lot of

(57:26):
money and tech. We're spending not enough money and technology
to be world class defense country. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, well, I think it definitely makes sense that throwing
it all that, you know, especially if you see what's
happening as I was saying before overseas now with drone technology,
it seems like spending it on the on the you know,
on frigates and such, you can spend many billions of
dollars and not get much for it. So spending it
on if you're going to spend it on New Zealand

(57:57):
personnel and New Zealand technology, then you could see a
boon for the New Zealand economy. Grant.

Speaker 21 (58:04):
Yeah, yes, yes, you're right there. Keep keep what we've got,
Keep what we've got in the forces. Train them up
as well, train them up to be all easesist qualified.
You know, we can be specialized forces. We're really good
in what we do when we go and hit they

(58:25):
It was proven in Vietnam and proven in World War
Two that when we go out we do a great
job when we've got the soldiers that are capable of
doing it. But if they are backed up one hundred
percent by the technology that we can spend money on
that the Government of Selling New Zealand short for Yeah,

(58:47):
it's just like they we just want to chuck money
at the problem, but we're going to it's not going
to happen.

Speaker 12 (58:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I thank you for your call, grind appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Interesting thoughts, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Interesting points is this Texa with military spending in the US,
they don't have much of a social wealthare system, but
anyone can get a role in the military, so their
military spend is potentially a substitute for the doll.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, so I think it's probably a fair point there.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
We always have that cliche in the States of you know,
someone going up in front of a judge in a
rural town and they've got two options. You either do time,
will you join them military?

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah, right, great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone
who called a text on that. But we're going to
change tech. After the headlines, we want to have a
chat about community services. Some great texts coming through nineteen
ninety two.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Spend it on the arts, you muppets.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Okay, okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I don't have the choice. I don't have any say.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Spend it on the arts, you muppets. Right coming up
after the headlines from repeats drink drivers, the first time offenders,
thousands of kiwis are working off their crimes in the
community instead of behind bars. This is community service. So
we want to have a chat to you. If you've
done community service, what was it like and is this
a good system to roll out to keep people out
of prison and get them working in the community. Oh,

(59:57):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call it? Nineteen nine two is the text twenty eight to.

Speaker 8 (01:00:01):
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Herald dot co dot NZ. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Thank you very much forray Lane. It is twenty four
to three, so thousands of Kiwis are out there right
now as we speak, completing community service. These are drink
driving repeat offenders to people serving their first sentence. So
on Hawk's Bay an article over the weekend, talk to
a lot of those people in those community service punishments,

(01:01:44):
if you will, And that can mean anything from weekend
spend out in gardens, community spaces, planting, diging, maintaining crops
that help feed the community and families. So supporters of
that particular system says it offers a practical second chance,
a way to repay the community while staying out of prison.
So we won't to have a chat to you that
if you've ever been convicted of a crime and you

(01:02:08):
are given the opportunity to do community service, what was
it actually like to be given that? And let's be frankly,
I mean this is my opinion, but that is quite
a second chance that if you're being convicted and you're
up against it and you get given a chance, hey
you could go to home detention or even prison, or
you go and serve one hundred hours community service. That
seems an easy option for a lot of people who say, absolutely,

(01:02:31):
I'll go to community service.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Well, some people go and do community service anyway. So
some people who have committed no crime spend their weekends
on community service because it makes them feel good, giving
back up, giving something back, right, Yes, so'd be interested,
as you say, people that that have completed community service,
who have been given the option between community service. Some people,

(01:02:53):
you know, they've done prison time and then the opportunity
has been given later on for them to take an
option of community service. And I think you definitely take
community service over a prison time, wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Absolutely you would.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yes, it's really interesting in the story. And some people
in this story they say that they're going to miss
the community service time when it's over. Is that true?
Is it true that you just tick off that you
don't just tack off the hours until it's done, but
you actually get something out of it, Yeah, some kind
of feeling that you've done something good. Love to talk

(01:03:28):
to people that have done community.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Service, tell us your story. I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine to
nine two is the tex so of you or someone
you know have done community service? What was it like
and did they give them a sense of satisfaction when
they completed that service? Love to hear your stories.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I did one hundred hours community services is texta for
dangerous driving seven years ago. Did eight hours at the
Salvation Army opshop every Saturday. However I did use to
leave after four hours, but still claim the full eight hours.
No one ever checked.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Okay for good keep that's wrought in the community service system.
Keep those things covering through A nine to nine two.
It is twenty one to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Three Matty Taylor Adams with you as your own afternoon
rolls on matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk sa'd.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Be nineteen to three. So we're talking about community service.
That is the option when convicted of a crime of
doing a certain amount of work hours in the community.
So if you've done it, I want to hear your story. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty What was it like?
Did you get a line out of it? And if
you have employed someone doing community service, how did that go?
Nineteen nine two was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
A text the six says community service can actually be
a good time. I got forty hours, got in the
van in the morning smoked weed with a couple of
repeat drink drivers every Saturday for a month. It was
nice being out in the sun doing something good for
the town for months.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Okay, very good, keep those texts giving through. On nineteen
ninety two, getto Mark.

Speaker 26 (01:04:50):
Okay, guys here, are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Keen on your experience?

Speaker 19 (01:04:55):
Yeah, come, I've just turned sixty one now. So it
happened while I was in my twenties. I sort of
got to the clinicle of mischief fishness back then, and
I don't think that's a word, by the way, and
I was. It was towards the end of the year,
so it was about mid December and I was ordered

(01:05:17):
to serve I think it was one hundred and twenty
hours community service for a driving offense that I committed.

Speaker 25 (01:05:23):
And I copied it.

Speaker 19 (01:05:24):
But over that period, the Christmas period, that don't actually
have the judicial system functioning as in community service PD
those sorts of community functions. So what I did, because
there was a great need for it in the area
was it was the South Island at the time, so
I went around looking for community based projects, the local

(01:05:48):
MARII old folks communities, and I off my own back
and in conjunction with a JP, made up all these hours,
you know, over the Christmas period, but in really good
places that really needed them. One of them also was
the Avultasman Parker happened to be passing on a motorcycle

(01:06:09):
and there was an actual JP who was lost.

Speaker 25 (01:06:12):
In the bushel.

Speaker 19 (01:06:12):
I spent six hours searching for the first found them, wow,
and got him out and explained my situation and he
was more than happy to sign off. The amount of hours,
even offered me fuel my time, but it was so rewarding.
You're giving back to the community. I'd get beautiful meals
as a twenty year old that you know, I lived

(01:06:34):
away from home or living a little rough in the
forestry working as well, but the old folks would give
me a meal for lifting up the concrete papers in
the front of the era, you know, for parts and things. Now, Unfortunately,
when the Judicial section came back online in January early February,

(01:06:56):
I had approached this person that I had been assigned
to and i'd done I think i'd done about sixty
hours of community service and they refused to accept them
because it wasn't given by them. And I said, you
can't dispute that it went into the community and they

(01:07:16):
had the call. And I'm not saying that they're all
like this, but there was a probationional icer had the
gall to argue the point and the ninety hours, but said, look,
I've got this job. It can take you eight hours
or can take you eighty hours. At the end of it,
I just want you out of my head and set
me a task to do their badge dirty.

Speaker 21 (01:07:41):
The badge fee, for god, say, that is horrific corruption.

Speaker 19 (01:07:47):
Absolutely, and and so I had to go to court
get signed off. Unfortunately for them, I dropped that bomb.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
In the court and what what what what came of it?
Once you dropped that bomb?

Speaker 19 (01:08:03):
Well, I don't know about this side. I'm sure they
would have investigated. But I was ext We offered a
position to be the as for a specific party in
within the court because I felt, you know, I just
found it was so corrupt that we had a courthouse
waiting room full of these young guys that had huge

(01:08:24):
chips on their shoulders and why wouldn't they being treated like,
you know, like that. So I was I was off
in a position with Manam Montack to come alongside there
and then you know, because I was about mid twenties,
so I was just starting to mature, you know, and

(01:08:44):
I figured if I don't mature my twenty five or bloody,
I probably probably wouldn't. But I thought that was I
had a really great experience with them with doing that
community service, and it became my community. For many years
I lived in that area, in the Tasman area. But
I've carried that, Yeah, thank you. I've carried that all

(01:09:05):
my life as well. I've obviously kept kept since then.
I'm then ready to retire. So yeah, now I just
thought i'd share that with you guys. It is a
great thing and if it's taken for what it is
on both parties, Yeah, and go to the real places.

Speaker 17 (01:09:23):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:09:23):
The place is like, yes, the old folks homes whose
whose councils are so busy they can't take care of
their unlevel for paths. And you know, all I did
was he's a crowbar and a wheelbarrow and saled underneath
them with lifted them, put any gravel back under them
so they keep them there. Simple things like in it

(01:09:45):
in our communities, the local Maris schools, you know, all
these places that sometimes don't have the funding for the sport.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Yeah. Yeah, I've taken enough of your time.

Speaker 19 (01:09:55):
I thank you. Recommend to you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
What a good man. I mean, you must stand out
if you if you've got Cordon force community service. But
if you're someone like Mark who digs in, he's got
aptitude and he's got a bit of competence, you must
stand out. And that's a great way that if you've
had a bit of a rough time with society, then
you do some community service and they look at you
and think, actually, this kid or particular person actually a

(01:10:18):
pretty good worker. Maybe we should offer them a job.
I don't know, if there's been your experience tell us.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Yeah, well, I mean if you haven't committed you know,
it depends what your crime is, right, so you haven't
committed fraud, you haven't you know, you haven't committed a
crime that means that you were a risk to old
people or in school or anything like that. Then it
seems like a great, great opportunity to get some stuff
done that needs to be done.

Speaker 8 (01:10:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Yeah, what do you say, though, have you experienced caught
and force community service and is it a good way
to pay back society? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number. Nineteen nine two is of text.
It's twelve to three.

Speaker 8 (01:10:51):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons New STALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
News talks there B. It is ten to three and
we're talking about community service, court and force community service.
If you've ever done it, or employed or worked with
someone doing court enforced community service, ken to hear your story.
Our weight one hundred and eighty ten eighties number to
call and if you want to send a text. Nine
two ninety two is that number. Plenty of texts coming
through this one says goday, guys hide someone after they

(01:11:21):
did their PD hours with our charity, as they worked
hard and we wanted to give them a second chance.
Oh god, they then stole from the charity over a
period of time, rather scary to deal with. Haven't stopped
corrections placing people for their hours with us, but we'll
never hire another one. That's unfortunate.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
This is interesting text. Hey boys, I normally love the show,
but I'm not happy today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Oh okay, sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
You talk about community service like it's a holiday. It
should be a punishment, It should be horrible not a
fun time in the sun. What happened to chains and rocks?
I think chains and rocks? You're talking about the sort
of Oh brother, where are our kind of situation?

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
They our chain gang? Yeah, should it come back?

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
I don't know if I want the chain gang to
come back. John, welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:12:04):
Thank you, good to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Yeah, thanks for giving us.

Speaker 15 (01:12:08):
How much I enjoyed and appreciate the fact that you
had another chance to do something because I got called
a bag of marijuana. It wasn't really good, but I
was given a chance by the judges. He looked at me,
to give you a chance, and he gave me pure attention,
and I startedly enjoyed it. By the time my wife, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
A lot of people saying that the cheese and onion
sandwiches are good?

Speaker 27 (01:12:29):
Is that is?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Did you have cheese and onion sandwiches?

Speaker 15 (01:12:31):
We need to make a fire and make a cup
of tea. And I was charge with the lunch and
I taste the sandwiches for the boys.

Speaker 13 (01:12:38):
Tasted sandwiches right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Hey did when you when you did it? We were
with the same crew for a long period of time,
or is a different group of guys.

Speaker 15 (01:12:46):
Sometimes mostly the same crew all the time. We got
to know eachallenge and we've got to experience a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
It used to be John that you know, if you
got sentence to PD community service, that you'd go down
to the police station, see the probation officer and they'd
give you a list of things you know that you
could do the work for. Did that exist when you
were there or you you just got told which which
you we're going to do?

Speaker 15 (01:13:09):
I know we just got to work detail. We just
got told to go a certain place and we don't
get choiceable. When I was leaving about thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
What what kind of stuff did you do? John? On
your community service?

Speaker 15 (01:13:22):
We did a lot of gardening, cleaning up areas, picking
up rubbish, and we would go out to the forest
and lay tricks, lay out new tricks with the walkers,
lay down greble and me and we did quite a lot.
We did quite a lot. I experienced for a few months,
a couple of months or three months, I had a
wonderful time. You know, I really appreciated the chance to

(01:13:43):
when I did something wrong and I get a chance
to do, you know, do something back, to give something back,
and you get away with it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
So did you feel did you feel a sense of
pride at what you've achieved? What you achieved doing the
work that you did, John.

Speaker 15 (01:13:57):
I did Again, my seat totally up, so it was
on a tour at the time. So doing something.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
How many hours did you did you do?

Speaker 15 (01:14:07):
Andrew?

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
One hundred? And I mean, of course you can do it.
You know, you can volunteer in places afterwards. So after
the hundred hours, did you did you volunteer anywhere else?

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
And and have and have you been in any other
trouble with the law since then?

Speaker 13 (01:14:24):
John?

Speaker 7 (01:14:25):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
But yeah, So so what did you do after the PD?
Did did any of the organizations, you know, give you
a few more hours or that was just the push
to get you on the straight and narrow.

Speaker 15 (01:14:39):
I've got one guy was impressed with the work that
I did on a property, just some part time work
for him. I mean about four hundred dollars in cash.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Well that's not too bad for hundred bucks in cash,
but yeah, exactly, it's better than a slap in the face. John,
thank you very much for giving us a call, so PD, I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Can see that though, how you know you're getting a rut?
Maybe you're you're on a benefit, you've you've gone in
front of the law, and then you then you're sent
out to do something and you find yourself, you know,
building tracks, bring joy to the world. You know, you're
involved in, you know, creating something rather than than you know,
being in trouble or you know rotting. Yeah, and I

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can see how it could be a less of a
punishment and more of, you know, a positive experience in
your life.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
What do you say though, Oh e one hundred and
eighty ten eighties. The number to call a nine two
niney two is the text A couple of texts coming
through here. Okaday, guys, I had unpaid speeding tickets. I
was overseas doing my OE when they were issued, got
home and they had compounded. I refused to pay, so
they sent me to PD. I actually loved the work
and met some good people. That's from Doug.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Hi, says the text. So I did eighty hours of
community service at Salvation Army. Oh sure, I loved it.
They threw a pizza party when my hours were over.
Such nice people said when it was over, cheersellen. But
couldn't you go back to the you know, if you're
really sad. You could just gone back and volunteered at
the Salvation up shop afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Right absolutely, yeah, you don't need a court to order
you to do that. But keep those tics coming through
on nine to nine and we're taking your calls on
our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've done
community service, what was it like and did it give
you a bit of a stepping stone back into society?
And if you've employed or worked with someone doing PD,
how did that go for you?

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Or are you discussed by this talk of this positive
effective community service and you want to bring back the shackles,
the shackles and the rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Be very good afternoon, Gay, welcome back into the program.
Seven past three, and we are talking about CORD and
forced community service. Thousands of Kiwis are doing that very
community service as we speak. So if that's been you
at one point in your life, keen on your story.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Yeah, so forty to four hundred hours. You can get
Community services Center's range from four to four hundred hours,
and a fennis can work up to ten hours per day.
This is an interesting text, right, a bit of a story.
You ready to go on a bit of a journey, yes,
life journey with this text? Yet absolutely, let's go, Joe.
I want to know when people text long texts, texts
and really appreciate the long text. Are they doing it

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with their thumbs or people on the computer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I've always wondered that myself. Can you do it on
the computer? I suppose you can, Oh you can, definitely,
you know, I do it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
I've got the messager app on my computer, yeah, or
on your WhatsApp. But this is quite long.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
There's some novels, novels that come through.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
But I'm ready, So I met this dude on PD.
We became mates. This guy was actually a doctor, actually
a doctor. We were both we were both traffic offence losers. Anyway,
great dude. We had a laugh working on a school playground.
I got his number, had a beer with them. Afterwards,
we became mates. I met his sister, we started dating.

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We've been married ten years. We have two beautiful children.
It's a great meeting story. I have sle Fiona missus
his name in there, name drop. I have so Fiona
about being a bottom feeder dating a PD loser back
in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
But that is beautiful, isn't it. I mean, who would
have thought that a bit of PD. You meet a
doctor supposedly, then you meet his sister, you share up
and life is good after that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Yes, so you know you weren't just repaying your debt
to community, to the community, you know, paying the adbt
to society with some with some community service, you got
the love of your life for your troubles.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
How good, Jason, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:19:26):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Right, so pretty good. So you've done some community service
in the past, is that right?

Speaker 20 (01:19:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:19:32):
Roughly thirty five years ago, probably about what would have
been between the one hundred to one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
And fifty hours. Yeah, right, and first up, what did
you do to get that that number of hours?

Speaker 25 (01:19:45):
Yeah, I was involved with the wrong crowd. A little
bit of it was to do with car conversion, and yeah,
just just the wrong crowd. One of those things you
do when you're young and stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Were you when you got the community service?

Speaker 8 (01:19:57):
Were you?

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Was it weighing up between actually doing some time or
community service? Was it was it sitting in the gray
area there at all.

Speaker 25 (01:20:04):
Jays slightly gray but admittedly erious offender, so didn't quite
come under the diversion. Yeah, because of the seriousness of
what it was, which I'm not kind of disclosed, but yeah,
it was. It was, you know, fifty fifty years to
whether or not I was able to do court appointed.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
And what community service did you end up doing?

Speaker 21 (01:20:29):
What particular stud back back then?

Speaker 25 (01:20:33):
I don't know if it's like that now, but you
did have a list that you could choose from, and
obviously it was a little bit targeted towards your skill
set and I had, you know, fencing, doing your perimeter fencing,
and the good old Mount Roschool school took me on
and yeah, basically I completely repaired the entire perimeter of

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Mount Roschool School's fence just for yourself, well, on my own,
on my own.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Wow, as a still standing.

Speaker 25 (01:21:05):
Yeah, I regular still looks pretty good on you. I
dives every now and again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Yeah, I bid you do.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
And so do you get a sense of pride when
you see that that that fence?

Speaker 25 (01:21:14):
Just absolutely, of course you do. You know, it's one
of those things you paid. You do the time you
pay the crime.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
So how did you deal with so you packed you
wanted to help out a school in your area? I
take it then you turn up? Was the principal waiting
for you? You just out with the groundskeeper? Or how did
that work?

Speaker 25 (01:21:32):
Just the groundskeeper? They were a couple of hard case,
real older guys too, And yeah, they were real decent
sort of characters. They sort of took me under a
wing and they just sort of tried to give me
the whole you know, what are you doing with your life?
And you know, so it sort of did work out
pretty well. I've got a little bit of a grief,
a little bit of grief from some of the school kids.

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I remember they some of the kids used to sort
of sing that song that I think about dad boys,
Dad boys.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
So how did they know you're doing a community servos
and you just went one of the caretaking crew?

Speaker 25 (01:22:11):
Yeah, not one of the caretakers. And obviously you know
old to be wearing uniform and being a clothes Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I agree here and there, but yeah, I think, well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
So because I don't live too far from here, so
I can check out the fence next time i'm driving past.
So is that on the high school or on the
on the primary school?

Speaker 25 (01:22:33):
On the high school?

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Yeah right, And so because there's big fields there at
Mount Ross School.

Speaker 25 (01:22:37):
It's correct.

Speaker 16 (01:22:38):
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
So yes, you did some you did some heavy fencing
meter ridge Yeah too, right man.

Speaker 25 (01:22:44):
It was it was meters and meters, man, I tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
And did you get into the fencing game after that?

Speaker 25 (01:22:50):
Jas Nah, I've done it earlier on in my life.
And yeah, saw the lights and got out of that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Good on you, Jason, And that that that fence is
still standing standing three decades later. So you did a
bloody good job.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Good on you, mate, Yeah, well done. One hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Are you like Jay? Did you get
to pick where you did your community service? And what
did you do? And if you want to send us
a text by all means, nine two nine two is
that number.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
I've seen quite a few sports guys and girls get
community services this Texter. They get the hours at their
own sports club where they do Diddley squaff because of
who they are within the club team or structure.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Right, just Sandy, is that true bit of inside knowledge there?

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
All right, keep those teachs coming through on nine two
nine two. It's twelve past three.

Speaker 8 (01:23:32):
News talks'd be quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Past three, and we're talking about community service, caught and
force community service. If you've undertaken it, keen on your story. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call and if you prefer to send a text by
all means, ninety two niney two is that number. A
couple of texts coming through this one says okay, guys.
Our experience with community work sentence is varied. My mother, retiree,
has and is still involved with the community through her church.

(01:23:54):
A couple of years ago she was sentenced to community work,
which we all thought would suit her perfectly. She did
more than her hours, going over the maximum forty hours
per week, which she insisted on doing. Unfortunately, the agency
and probation officer did not complete the pay people working incorrectly.
A warrant of arrest was issued because the court believed
that she had not completed her stated community work. Luckily,

(01:24:16):
she had witnesses. She had been dropped off, picked up,
and visited the site of numerous times by family members
who are members of the police and social workers. It
was a learning curve for my mother about the importance
of paperwork. She ended up doing three times the required hours. Wow,
but she loves it now she helps others in similar situations.
We think community work is an important part of our community.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
I got to get that paperwork done though, absolutely, Yeah,
I've got to get what you do signed off do
the admin. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if
it's up to the individual person to do that, but
you better hope that the person that is running at
is marking off your right hours.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Yeah, that's right. So one hundred and eighty ten eighty
to number to call. How are you doing, Dave? Oh,
yes it is you my friends.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Welcome, very good.

Speaker 12 (01:24:59):
First time first time call.

Speaker 15 (01:25:00):
Are there?

Speaker 21 (01:25:01):
We go?

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
We appreciate it, Dave, Yeah, no problem.

Speaker 23 (01:25:04):
Yes, So I've just got a bit of a story
outed periodic contention, which I think you I've talked about
so far a little bit similar to community service from
my understanding them some time ago. Community service you might
get from if you couldn't afford to pay a fine
or so forth, and periodic attention was somewhat of a
step above. So my story goes, I was a pretty naive,

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influential university student, if.

Speaker 20 (01:25:30):
You like, and got sentenced to periodic attention.

Speaker 23 (01:25:36):
I think it was six months and it ended up
doing twelve months or so. But it introduced me to
people coming out of jail. So here I am pretty young,
naive student and all of a sudden are mixing and
mingling and befriending adult ex crims.

Speaker 8 (01:25:58):
Ah right, that goes well.

Speaker 23 (01:26:02):
At the time, it was quite exciting, but certainly in hindsight,
I don't very irresponsible of the courts or corrections or
whomever to make someone the likes of myself go and
be detained. So it was a bit more serious. But

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then all of a sudden you're introduced to people that
you've never met before and the things that they do
which which landed them in jail, I suppose. But a
little bit of a poor judgment of the courts, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Say, And what kind of stuff did you experience and
or you know, get from these these these hard and
criminals date.

Speaker 23 (01:26:47):
Well, I mean, all of a sudden, you're you're sort
of introduced to their parties.

Speaker 12 (01:26:53):
To their dealings, to.

Speaker 23 (01:26:55):
What they do, to what you can now access and
which which would never have been possible or I would
have never met these people in any other circumstance.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Yeah. And so after you did this, this periodic detention
was that for you and your interactions with the law
or did did did you run a foul of the authorities? Again?

Speaker 23 (01:27:20):
Well, I guess I ran a foul to a degree,
but my interactions with the law thankfully didn't eventuate.

Speaker 8 (01:27:30):
Yeah, I certainly could have.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Yeah, right, And so as a as a young student, Well,
you said that that you were quite excited by meeting
these sort of people that have been through the prison system.
You weren't, You weren't intimidated by them.

Speaker 23 (01:27:45):
Over and I met to me fair were pretty friendly,
jovial dudes. But all of a sudden, your you know,
your mates was something.

Speaker 20 (01:27:56):
Scary, people with access to.

Speaker 12 (01:27:59):
Lots of things.

Speaker 23 (01:28:00):
Yeah, Yeah, and that's when I'm so exciting, you know that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 23 (01:28:05):
It was a different world and instruction that it could
have led could yeah two terrible, it didn't have your
somewhat some starts, I guess.

Speaker 21 (01:28:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Thank if you call Dave, thank you for your first call.
Ring back anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Yeah, that is a different experience.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
This thesis is amazingly amazing. Hourly rate on my parking fines.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
I suppose it would be, yeah, yeah, depends on how
much you rack up.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
So periodic detention was abolished in two thousand and seven.
So we keep talking. We keep saying PD and community
work the same, don't we When periodic attention was closer
to a part time prison sentence. You know, you're reported
to a detention center. We're prison style clothing or uniforms,

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work under stress supervision, follow prison like rules and discipline,
and you get punished for lateness and that kind of stuff.
Whereas community service you perform unpaid work for charities, councils, schools,
community groups, and conservation projects. You know, yes, maybe suitified
supervised by correction staff for community organizations.

Speaker 8 (01:29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Yeah, So if you have done the letter, we're really
keen to have a chat with you. I eighte hundred
eighty ten eighty. Did you get to pick who you
did that community service work for? And what was it
like when you got into it, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten Eightyes. Number to call is twenty one past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
ZB twenty three past three. We're talking about community service.
If you've undertaken it, tell us your story. I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number two call? Steve.
You've done community service?

Speaker 16 (01:29:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:29:47):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
And how many hours were you sentenced to?

Speaker 12 (01:29:52):
Ah, this is back in the nineties, so I think
it was about thirty to forty hours somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Around there, right, so not a massive amount.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
And where did you end up doing your community service, Steve?

Speaker 12 (01:30:04):
They they tried to put me to some old people's
home or something like that, but I don't know. I
found out that you could ask or I can't remember.
I think I contacted the zoo and I just said, look,
I've got community service to do, and they said that
they could do it there. So I put that back
to the whoever was organizing it, and I ended up

(01:30:25):
down at Orphan Zoo.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Oh wow, oh good, that's sing what a gig.

Speaker 12 (01:30:29):
I'm loved it. Yeah great.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
What kind of stuff did you do with the at
the zoo, Steve.

Speaker 12 (01:30:36):
Well, they were building the spider monkey enclosure back then. Wow,
still going, it's still going out right. It was the
first one that had a moat around it and it
didn't have a cage and yeah, so it was a
pretty big deal. They were getting pretty excited about it.
So I was basically just pushing wheelbarrows around. I had

(01:30:57):
a great time, and I've got to meet some really
nice people.

Speaker 21 (01:30:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Did you stay in touch with any of the people
that you meet, Steve?

Speaker 12 (01:31:03):
Not really, but we did branch out into some other
thing so as I got to know them, you know,
over the weeks. Because I was just doing a few
hours each week, I think it was, and because I
was a student back then, they yeah, they let me
do like feeding the animals. I get up real close

(01:31:24):
to the line during feeding time.

Speaker 19 (01:31:25):
That was nuts.

Speaker 12 (01:31:26):
Like I've never heard noise so loud when a roar.
It was great, absolutely crazy. So it was really cool,
And yeah, I ended up in there. It was a mine,
a drug infraction. I was caught smoking weed, which is
why I was down there. But I actually heard that
some of the zoo keepers were growing down there, so

(01:31:47):
it kind of was kind of funny the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
It's a funny idea to to end up at the
zoo doing there, because a lot of people would pay
to be involved in something like that, you know, hanging
out seeing the workings of the zoo, feeding animals. I mean,
obviously you did some heavy work with the wheelbarrow, but
it's actually kind of the opposite of a punishment in
the way Steve Well I was.

Speaker 12 (01:32:12):
You know, I was a young kid. I didn't have
a lot of skills other than book skills, but they
needed something to put me in front of. And I
mean it all just went through the courses of the
diversion anyway. It was pretty minut stuff. But yeah, I
thought it was positive because rather than me just slogging,
I got out doing something which was you know, mind numbing.

(01:32:33):
I ended up doing something it was a lot more positive.
And I feel that, you know, the work I did
there helped contribute to that. That enclosure lost a heavy
little spider monkey, so you know, it was good and
I thought it was good.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
And if you had kids since then, Steve. Yeah, yeah,
and so when you take them to the ZOODI go,
my bloody built this Spider Monkey enclosure.

Speaker 12 (01:32:58):
No, I'm not an Auckland anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Yeah, but you know, White, I was caught smoking weed
and then it was my punishment.

Speaker 21 (01:33:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:33:09):
Well, you know, this was the nineties, but yeah, it
was my mate hold and valiant. It was a bit
of a top magnet. So I shouldn't have been smoking
it in the first place. Really, but you know, lett
and learn and all that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So that
was that situation. But I thought it was great that
they let me choose, and to be honest, I was
a lot more interested in the zoo than I would

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have been pushing dominoes.

Speaker 19 (01:33:32):
Around, you know, old people talking or something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:33:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Oh, thanks for call, Steve. Appreciate your story.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Yep, served your time and got to work with Spider Monkey.
So are you, like Steve, when you did community service,
did you pick which charity or work you are able
to do? Keen on your story on our one hundred
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Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty nine to form.
We're talking about community service.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
Yeah, when you're.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Talking about community service, it always makes me think of
this great joke by one of my favorite comedians, Dmitri Martin.
I'm not sure if you know him, but he's a
very funny man. Look him up on YouTube here he is.

Speaker 7 (01:35:32):
There's one thing I would say about everybody. There's a
selfishness I think to human beings that we just all
sort of have just built in there. The fact that
community service is a punishment in our society. It's a
pretty good sign, you know, and be like, just under prison,
you get community service, how badly did you? But you

(01:35:57):
have to help the community, you piece.

Speaker 8 (01:36:01):
Of what did you do.

Speaker 6 (01:36:06):
For thirty hours in the next calendar year?

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
You have to help them?

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
Wow, glad, I'm not you. I bet you learned your lesson.

Speaker 27 (01:36:14):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:36:15):
Yeah, I trying to get prison, but no, they're going
to make me help.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
That is brilliant, right, Taking your calls on one hundred
eighty today, get a Mark Good.

Speaker 26 (01:36:25):
Hey, guys, my experience was aroun as a young fellow
by having a couple of beers walking down the road
and got pulled over with the old school cop days,
and they pulled me over and see, guys are unacceptable
walking along having a few beers. And my punishment was
to go to the cops father's house on a Saturday
in Marvel's lawns.

Speaker 19 (01:36:46):
What yep, yep, that's what the cop got me.

Speaker 12 (01:36:48):
To do in those days.

Speaker 26 (01:36:49):
You know, just as we're talking forty odd years ago,
you did what you were told. Okay around there, and
I've known the lawns and it's as hot as hell.
And then about halfway through it, as Dan pops out
and brings.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Me out of beer, that'll teacher.

Speaker 26 (01:37:07):
It was just, you know, I think it was in
those days. It was about saying, hey, we don't need
to take this through a court, but hey, listen, you
need to cut that out. You need to do something here.
And I've always thought about it. I was saying, oh, that
that was a nice way of handling an incident without
things getting out of control.

Speaker 21 (01:37:22):
But it did make me laugh here.

Speaker 19 (01:37:24):
It brought me out to be a halfway and had
to be fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
It's interesting because there's two ways to look at that.

Speaker 16 (01:37:30):
Mark.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
One way is it's terrible corruption and the police officer
getting work done in his house by a young person
instead of putting them through the proper processes. And the
other way is the way you're looking at it is
it's a way to keep you out of the proper process,
you know, keep you out of the legal system or
the punishment system, and just give you a friendly little
punishment on the site.

Speaker 26 (01:37:52):
Well, it was his dad's house, so it was helping
out an older person as well. But I've always remembered
it as being a nice way.

Speaker 19 (01:37:59):
To hand a good little leaf, so it's something to remember.

Speaker 26 (01:38:01):
But I was listened to some of the other courts
of people make.

Speaker 25 (01:38:04):
Me laugh some of the stupid things we did when
we were younger, and and.

Speaker 19 (01:38:06):
That's one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Matter we've got afternoon, ye chairs, Mark you two, Thank
you very much. O one hundred and eighty ten eighty
Keen on your story about community service, if you've served it, Our.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Experience with community service is very ed. My mother retire
has and still is involved with the community through her church.
A couple of years ago she was sentenced to community work,
which we all thought would suit her perfectly. She did
more than her hours, going over the maximum forty hours
per week, which she insisted on doing. Unfortunately, the Agency
and provision, Oh, we've already read this one out. They
didn't complete the paperwork.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Yeah, someone didn't complete the paperwork on the show. By
removing the red text from the file of texts to be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Read, admon is important in community service and certainly radio shows.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
So ironically, when a text about not doing the paperwork
and doing the basics so that this is what's happened here, Yeah,
this text, when it's been read out, needs to be
put in the virtual bin.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
I think one of us needs to do some community
service just for that punishment.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
Hi, guys, when my kids were young, I was on
the school board and we applied for PD lads to
come work on the school grounds cleaning up some scrub
and bush. Ten lads and two supervisors showed up. Had
to be on a Saturday, and we were not allowed
to talk to them. They did a very good job, though,
says Willie.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Oh, how good. And this one Okiday, guys, About fifteen
years ago, when I was eighteen, I was on curfew
as a boil condition, was living with a work made
and his wife with a newborn. The police came and
got me to do some community service. I ended up
doing thirty hours tidying up the garden at the Salvation Army.
Did one day and was pretty much done as the

(01:39:42):
guy signed off my thirty hours. But I obviously did
a very good job, right there you go?

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
So you just did one day and they signed a
whole lot off.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
I suppose if you do the job, You've done the gardens,
you've done the weeding, all looks nice and nice and
Spicking's band see you later. Job done.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
But isn't it about the punishment and the hours that
you do? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Yeah? What do you say though? If you've done community service,
we're really keen on your story. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty what was it like? And if you've
worked with someone you run a charity or an organization
that actually gets people in to do community service, how
does that work for you? Nine two niney two is
the text? And coming up after the break, just got
a text here who someone was forced to smoke something

(01:40:23):
with a notorious thug at community service? Oh so well,
tell you more about that next. It is twenty three
to four.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
It doesn't sound like an official part of the punishment.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons us talk said,
be very good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Afternoons. It is twenty one to four and we're talking
about community service. And I mentioned a text before the
break and here it is. Getay, guys. I did PD
back in the early nineties. Was forced to smoke adooby
with a notorious thug at the detention center on my
first day. I was only a twenty year old and
mixed with all kinds of scally wags haha. Did most

(01:41:01):
of my community service at the Wilson Home on Auckland's
north shore. Was wasted most of the time. Quite nice actually,
point choosing now I'm a good boy.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Scaley wags is a good word. Ragamuffins, scaley wags a
motley crew. The text says love the show boys and
nice off. The coach attempt at the difference between periodic
detention and community service, but you were slightly wrong, okay.
PD was a part time prison sentence where offenders had
to report to detention centers work under strict supervision and

(01:41:32):
follow prison style rules on the weekends. Right Community work
as a sentence requiring offenders to complete unpaid work for
community organizations, charities, councils, or conservation projects. PD was primarily
focused on punishment and deterrence, while community service places more
emphasis on rehabilitation and giving back to the community. PD

(01:41:55):
was abolished in two thousand and seven and replaced by
community service as part of a wider sentencing reforms.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Okay, to be fair, that was pretty much what you said, right,
almost verbatim?

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
I think yeah it was.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Yes, I wrote this text on my laptop whilst at work.
I should be doing a house appraisal. But listening and
responding to your show is more fun. Oh good, you
know what, but they actually get wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
Yeah, I think you both nailed it, and you see
pretty much that they takes it back. So happy days.
We're all on the same bage there. But glad you're
listening and glad you're enjoying the show. Shane, how are
you man?

Speaker 30 (01:42:30):
Good mate? Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Oh, thank you mate, thank you so hey.

Speaker 30 (01:42:36):
I'd agree with that because PD and the difference between
PD and community's work is the lunches. These days community work.
The lunches are two minute noodles.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
It's great as opposed to cheese and onion sandwiches.

Speaker 30 (01:42:50):
Yeah. Well, back in the day in New Lynn, we
used to get luncheon cheese onion and one of the
one of the wardens used to bring the homemade bloody rollish.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
Oh wow.

Speaker 30 (01:43:01):
And and with you out in the bush, you had
the bush fire and you'd do your toasted sandwiches and
boil up the billy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Oh nice. So did you say lunch and sausage was
that luncheon?

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Yeah, yeah, I've got a lunch.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
I love lunch for years. That is a delicious salty treat.

Speaker 30 (01:43:18):
And the sandwich, well, with cheese, onion and relish on
a toasted sandwich.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
They were looking after you, well man.

Speaker 30 (01:43:26):
Back then theys used to make you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
Work right, And so how much how long was your
lunch break?

Speaker 30 (01:43:33):
Twenty minutes?

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
Twenty minutes, so someone's someone's on lunch duty because it
would take more than twenty minutes ever cooked. Yeah right,
So you'd want to be.

Speaker 30 (01:43:41):
On bully because you have an extra wood fired billy at.

Speaker 20 (01:43:46):
The bush, all.

Speaker 30 (01:43:48):
Right, boiling the water. And you used to use the
frame the bottom frame and you put a little wire
across it. And that's how you do your toast sandwiches.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Oh delicious. And so was it always the same person
on cooking, Judy or did that rotate?

Speaker 30 (01:44:03):
It depended if you were any good at it? You
stayed on? No good at it? You you got kicked
into the curb.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Yeah, fair enough to don't burn the bread, yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:44:12):
Don't burn the bread.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:44:16):
Working out in the white tex yeah yeah. And how
to van drive out there? Then you go into the
bush and you'd be digging, making trails, digging foundations for
barbecues or picnic tables, or just generally clearing out all
non native weeds out of the bush.

Speaker 19 (01:44:39):
Oh, it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
And how many hours you're wrecking you did pd chain.

Speaker 30 (01:44:44):
Over the years, probably close to a thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
And did you ever did that keep you out of
doing present time?

Speaker 30 (01:44:52):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Right? And and and so did you feel a sense
of it? Sounds like you found like a sort of
a sense of meaning and doing this kind of.

Speaker 30 (01:45:01):
Work going to jail.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
Yeah, probably bitter food than jail, yeahsolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Luncheon, How good bell you were guys? Okaday, mate, you
go for it. Tell us your story.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
Just a quick update on the old dumb periodic attention.
If you got sentence to six months peroic detention on
a Wednesday, you would go and at six o'clock until
late o'clock you do two hours, and then on a
Friday night, by six point thirty you'd report down to
the center and you stayed there Friday Saturday night and
were released around eleven thirty twelve o'clock on the Sunday. Right,

(01:45:37):
you spent the whole weekend, right. And that's why when
I was remanded for periodic attention, I said to the magistrate,
I said I'll forget it. I said, I won't do it.
So he reminded a big custody for detention center, which
is just a straight three month sentence. So I just
wanted to get it over and done with, right. Getting back,

(01:45:59):
getting back to the community service. I was a kid
taker to primary school and for some fifteen eighteen years
I had community service workers at school. Sometimes I would
have six or seven on the books, and generally these
were people who were either unemployed or could get a
day off work and come in and do one sometimes

(01:46:21):
two days a week, and they were that was an
hourly thing. So so I was sentenced to three hundred hours. Well,
then you filled out a form every time they came
and signed it off and wrote down their their conduct
and their work report, and that went back to the
probation service and they would actually get remission if they
were well behaved. Right, is obviously screen remission, Like say

(01:46:47):
you've got three hundred hours, you'd get a ten or
fifteen percent reduction if you attended regularly, so that not
fifteen percent of your hours off.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
And what kind of work do you generally get a
good level.

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
Of, because yeah, yeah, we had, we had some of
the ladies would be in helping the secretary, some of
them actually you know, and reading, reading with the kids.
These they were screened before they came to school, so
there was nobody with any obviously sexual violence or burglary
or thieft or anything like that. Most of them were
drunk driving and or minor minor offenses. So so they

(01:47:24):
were screened before they even got to meet. And and
then it was up to me entirely whether I took
them or not. To be honest, I straightened a few out.
You know, I had a good rapport with most of them,
and they respected me. And respected the teachers and stuff,
and you know, they're all on first name basis with

(01:47:44):
the principal. So it was it was. It was actually
quite a good setup.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
So you'd get sometimes you get people with some serious skills.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
Right, Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 20 (01:47:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
I'd have one fellow who was a arborist, and we
had several trees that were dangerous, hanging over the barb,
hanging over the power lines, over the fences, and so
we got something like seven or eight trees all cut down,
all cut up, just out to the needy parents, you know,
or because he was an arborist. So yeah, that's a boon. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
And what about people turning up and being totally useless
or not turning up or being a problem or being
air grow or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Well I gave them a warning. I gave them a
warning rather than contact the community service, you know, the
probation officers. So they got the warning from me. If
they didn't that here to that, well then I'd have
to report them to the probation and they would handle it.
From then they were given a written warning or they
were withdrawn from the school and sent somewhere else because

(01:48:49):
we had I think Adeen at the time was the limit.
I had a young fellow coming through the social welfare.
He was sixteen, and I agreed to take him, and
his mother came and it was the interview with me
and the principal and stuff, and the whole time she
was in there, she was on her bloody self phone

(01:49:09):
texting away the you know, and I said, I God. Anyway,
The second day was he was there for graffiti, believe
it or not. And the second day he was the
according with a felt pain at the back of the
dental clinic writing on the wall. So I said, I said, mate,
how many languages do you understand? He said, what do
you mean? I said, well, this is my night who language?

(01:49:30):
I sub get to beat beep out of here? So
I just kicked him out. Three days later, they arranged
an interview with his mum, the probation of the community
Social Welfare and the principal and me again to try
and get him back because they couldn't place him anywhere else.

(01:49:50):
So I walked into the meeting. I said, I'm only
coming in here on one condition, I said, his mother
puts that bloody cell phone down and doesn't use it
while we're hit the meeting. So she did and after that,
I'll tell you what. He was an entirely different bloke, unbelievable.
Did everything give.

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
Him a job.

Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
He come back, you know, a couple of hours lad,
and said, I've done that. What do you want done?

Speaker 20 (01:50:09):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
You know? Absolutely, just a change and the support he
got from his mother turned that young fellow around. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
That's interesting. It's quite a crazy thing though to the
initial thing. So you're there for graffiti and then you
start doing graffiti. You've messed something there and in terms
of your punishment, but it sounds like you're the kind
of guy that doesn't you know. You said you'd had
that experience before. Were you where you did a little
bit of time and you've been involved in the system.

(01:50:38):
So do you think do you think that gave you?
I don't know. You're not a pushover you want to
push over anyway? Bill?

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
Well, no, no, it was just that was just me,
you know.

Speaker 30 (01:50:45):
I mean, I didn't take any ship from anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:50:49):
And I told him straight, you know, I said, oh,
you do a job, You're not going to bust your gup.
I said, I wouldn't have given you any job that
I couldn't do myself. And I said you're not really
here to do my job. He's just here to do
a few week extras and you know, and that was it.
But you know, most of them got stuck in and
you know, passed the time time and some of them

(01:51:10):
were signed up for one day and they'd come and
do three. Now, the thing is, if they signed up
initially for three days and I need did two, they
get into trouble. So I always said to them, look, mate,
just sign up for one day. If you're available for
two or three days, come in And I said, that's
a bonus. But I said, you sign up for three
days and you only do one or two, you're in trouble.

(01:51:30):
Did you say that worked.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Did you stay in contact with any of them?

Speaker 8 (01:51:36):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:51:36):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
My policy was, you know, like if I met them
in the street, I would not I wouldn't get any
conversation with them. The only time I had dealings with
them unless I knew them previously, was was while I
was at school. I had nothing to do with them
once i'd finished there once and I couldn't accept anything
from them. You know that they wanted to bring me
this and bring me that. You want to bring me anything,

(01:51:57):
I said, you know, cook it and we'll eat it together.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Yeah, that could be risky. Yeah, well he's a dog
that sort of cos Yeah, it's a good point as well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Yeah, thanks for your call. Bell appreciate it. Yeah, what
a great call. Couple of texts.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
I did eighty house community service to someone I knew
and only did half and was signed off for the rest. Wow,
you can choose who you do it for. So that
worked out good for me. But did you learn your
lesson text?

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Exactly? It's not about ripping off the community service.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
Not sure why you're calling it community service. It used
to be called periodic tention. Then it became community service,
but since Cincinnia its two thousand two, it's called it's
referred to as community workman. So many people on the definition.
I think we all know what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Yeah, we have addressed that. There's a lot of pushback
about periodic detention and community service, but we cleaned that up.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
I had unpaid speeding tickets. I was overseas doing my
when they issued, got home and they had compounded I
refused PD, got refused to pay, got PD. I love
the work. I met some good people.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
It's some dark oh fantastic and just a good text here,
just quickly get a guys. I chose my own community
service at my child's kindy and rang Eura. I helped
repair and paint the outdoor equipment, helped with organizing games
with the kids, keeping the more challenging children that prefood
going off, doing their own thing occupied while staff we're
busy changing nappies and or feeding the other children. Managed
to get a job out of it by the end

(01:53:22):
of my hours. Worked as a community support worker coordinator
for a year and a half. That's from Catherine. That's
a nice enter that story, isn't it lovely?

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Catherine, what a wholesome story.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
It is eight to four back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 8 (01:53:39):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talk z EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
News Talks zed B. It is five to four all right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
That brings us the end of another edition of Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons on News Talks EDB. Thank
you so much for your texts and calls. It's been
a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
It has been great shows.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Yeah. Andrew Dickens is in next for Heather on Drive
and because why is that? Because Hoskin's taking another one
of his many holidays.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
I think he is. I think he's over in London.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
And so he is on breakfast and Dickens is talking
to Cecilia Robinson Sere of ten on the two hundred
and seventy million dollar acquisition of the Doctor's Service. But
right now, Tyler, why am I playing this two thousand
and three white stripe song from their fourth studio album Elephant?

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
What a tune? Seven Nation Army? We don't take a
stair apyer? Is it because we just had a great
chat about community service and the amount of techs we
got through from people working at the Salvation Army?

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
No? No, but actually that would have also worked. That
would have know it was because the New Zealand reporter
dubbed us into the Yanks been not spending as much
as they'd like us still on defense. So Seven Nation
Army kind of fits in with the idea that we
need a lot of allies and America only wants to
be allies with people that's been three point five percent
of their GDP on defense.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
All Right, that's more logical than what I said.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
So they're both good. Yeah, pretty good. All right, As
I say, thank you so much for listening, We'll be
back tomorrow live from midday until give my taste of
Kiwi from us.

Speaker 5 (01:55:10):
You said, busy, will let you go bless.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
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