Full Show Podcast: 03 August 2026

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Speaker 2 (00:28):
A very happy Monday to you. Welcome and to today's show.
Hope you had a fantastic weekend whatever you got up
to in this beautiful little country of ours, and thanks
very much for giving us a listen.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Matt Heath, how you doing very good?

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Thank you, Tyler. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
There's been so many teachs coming through saying congratulations Matt Heath,
congrats Matt, great news and this one Hi, Matt, congrants.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Was there something that you wanted to mention?

Speaker 5 (00:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Really, no, come on mate, Okay, the teachers are demanding
it that people want to know.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
I was trying to keep a little on this, but
then our post was put up on such media in
the weekend. Yes, and Tracy made a good point that
you know, I can't not allow things to be put
on post social media, so so I guess it's out
in the open now.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
It's out there.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah, I have asked the lovely Tracy for her hand
in marriage, and she said yes, thankfully.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
The second part's important, which is very nice.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
She's an excellent human being and I feel very lucky
to have her in my life. So we are most happy.
But yeah, I went up on Instagram in the weekend
and because it actually happened a couple of weeks ago,
but I tried to sort of just a soft launch. Yeah,
he wanted a soft launch for the announcement, but it's
really it's really blown up on to win up on Instagram,

(01:52):
I mentioned. Yeah, it's not that I didn't want to
celebrate it. I just didn't want it to become a
whole thing, you know, because it's a very personal thing. Yes,
and I don't like being the center of attention. Yep,
I'm a shrinking violet.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
You certainly are.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
But it is actually quite lovely that it's out if
one's saying nice stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, congratulations made It's awesome news. You know, I've said
that to you multiple times. But I'm looking at that
explosion on social media. A lot of people said the
same thing. So well done, mate, you made an honest
woman out of her. Well, probably the other way around.
She's going to make an honest man out of you.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
No, she's a fantastic human being. So I feel very lucky,
as I say, to have her in my life. So
very good. But I was just thinking, Tyler, earlier this year,
you announced that you were getting engaged to May. Yes,
and I'm a competitive guy, so we're going to get
I'm going to make sure we beat you to the
marriage stage.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I don't think you have trouble doing that, actually, mate,
you know, because because our day kids could pushed back
more and more and more. But I reckon if you
deal with it two years.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Then she goes on, you have got in there first
with the engagement, but we're definitely going to beat you
to the marriage.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
All right, we'll see. I'll go with it.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's on now, mate, right, congratulations again, fantastic food spud.
On to today's show and this topic, this is going
to be a doozy with Aready had so many tickes
on this one as well.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Winston Peters.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
He is calling for police to step in after a
weekend protest that's for a mock gullotine used to target him,
saying those involves should be already under investigation. So this
is the Migrant Workers' Association of Altia. They organized the
demonstration on Saturday to protest against what they claim is
racism from Peters and New Zealand. First, so they had

(03:31):
an effigy of Winston Peters or it had a picture
of his face on it and a week and they
rolled him up to a fake guillotine and obviously had
a mock execution style, which they called political satire. But
Peter said the protest crossed the line, arguing and it
went beyond legitimate political expression.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Here's a quote.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
These lefties whenever they get a posed, they turned to violence.
This matter should be in the police hands right now.
They should be being arrested right now. So why don't
we see that happen in the so called responsible society?

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, so do political displays like this? I guess the
question is, you know we do. We have freedom speech
right obviously right, and there is satire, right, So the
question is do you think that it was a serious
death threat? Because it was a serious death threat, then
it's a crime. But do you actually think that that
was a death threat, because the other side of it

(04:23):
does does divine political displays like this increase the likelihood
of real world violence, or does everyone know that it's
just just a little pantomime. It is an extreme thing
to do. So if you're the organizers of this protest,
and they did it in advance, obviously because they've prepared
the effigen they've turned up with the mok gillotine, and
they've posted on social media that's what they're going to do,
it is quite an extreme thing to decide to do

(04:44):
that everyone involved in your organization says we're going to
do this, and then they go through with that without
anyone saying, Umm, are you sure this is a really
good idea. Didn't someone just tip a rock through his
house recently?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Maybe it's a little bit over the line.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I thought it was interesting that they said in this
particular article their previous protests they've done that had got
no attraction. They got no attention for it, so they
needed to step it up to this situation. But what
I find funny about that is, and this was just
me personally, when I saw the story over the weekend
and I just saw the headline, I had no idea
what they're actually protesting about until we were going to

(05:18):
bring it up today. I just thought right, here's another
protest group that's lost there the he had no pun
intended and have gone for something extreme.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
So my point is, if you.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Do something like this, does your message actually get across
into what you're angry about or does it just become
you're a crazy lot who wants to do a fake
guillotine chop off the head.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
I mean I think it my backfire because you've made
Winston Peter's the victim here. So you wanted you were
outraged at what he said in Parliament, and so you
wanted to make a statement, and so you've done it.
And now what he said kind of disappears and what
you've done becomes the story. And it's sort of an
interesting position to be. And because if you're always having

(05:59):
to up the ante of your protest to get more
play in the media, I mean, you could argue that
your arguments aren't working. I mean, if you can get
your arguments to work and you have to do gimmicks
to get them out there, then maybe your argument you
need to hone your arguments a bit better.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I don't know this fair criticism.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, but then again, satire, you know, it's an important
thing in the democracy isn't it.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, So where do you sit on this? I AD
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Did this particular protest
go too far in your view? Or do you think
that was okay for getting a bit of attention and
you agree that it was satire? I watee hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? And nine two
ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
It's certainly an interesting way for a charity to be behaving.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
M m, well there are charity as well, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
So there's some questions around that as well. I mean,
is that our charity should be baby?

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Could you see Saint John doing that or SBCA? Maybe
maybe you.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Wouldn't describe it as a very charitable way to behave No,
you wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
What you say?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's going to be a great discussion. It is thirteen
past one, Begary shortly.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon excused talks.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Gobs ONSA protest has had a mock guillotine execution of
Winston Peters over the weekend calling for him to get
the chop. They said it was satire, but do you
think it went too far? Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number if you want to send
a text. Nineteen ninety two is that number?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Pats? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 7 (07:28):
Hi?

Speaker 8 (07:28):
Guys?

Speaker 7 (07:29):
Look, I am an immigrant. I left Zimbabwe twenty six
years ago, and we left for reasons that were we
wanted a democracy, we wanted a safer country, We wented opportunities.
We were being ruled by mister mcgarby who was taking land,
deaf cright and center, and all sorts of criminal things

(07:51):
that were going on. And when I saw this on
TV the other night, I just thought, migrant workers and
immigrants have chosen to come to New Zealand for all
the good things that this beautiful place offers. Democracy, freedom
of speed, Oh yeah, all fults. But they also left
certain people because they were publicly beheaded, hands chopped off

(08:16):
for criminal you know, activities, beheaded, shunned, treated differently, And
to see them doing that in a country that does
not promote that kind of eye for an eye, head
for a head, if you like, I just think, even
in jest, if that was what they were doing, I

(08:38):
think it was a stunt gone too far and actually
an offense to the countries that the country we've chosen.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
To call our new home.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
So if you love that kind of thing, why did
you leave those countries to have this kind of public display.
That's just my feeling on it.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
It is perfect. Thank you so much for that, Pat
appreciate it. Yeah, isn't one of the great things about
New Zealand and the free dim of New Zealand and
the free speech we have that people can have distasteful
demonstrations and that they are free to do it. So
you can see you have a problem with that, but

(09:17):
you do you also think it should be shut down?
Or you happy for us to tolerate this kind of
thing for the wider freedoms that we enjoy in New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
I don't think I do agree with that it should
be totally allowed, because the people that aren't on promoting
that kind of behavior, many of them have left those
very types of countries for the very reasons that they
were not free. Fair democratic by all means freedom on

(09:48):
a speech. But sometimes there's a point to where you
go too far and I mean, remember, I don't know
whenstance it is. I'm not saying that he's got to
be protected. What he said wasn't great. I agree totally,
But he is a member of our parliament. He has
has been deputy prime minister of a country. If they

(10:11):
did that to one of their own at home, they
would be taken off, they'd be start at all. You cannot.
I mean in Zimbabwe we couldn't even comment on things
and you could just disappear. People could disappear people, you know,
if they spoke out against governments. So what did we do?
We went, now, this is not how we want to live.
We want to live free and fair. We want to

(10:34):
go somewhere safe, and we chose New Zealand, which gives
everybody equal rights. I agreed, but I just think this
is poor taste. Yeah, for a democratic do you think
New Zealanders believe in beheading? Even in joke? Is the
answer to sit for t no?

Speaker 9 (10:53):
I on.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
One of the great things pat about free speech, though,
is people reveal who they are, right, So the Migrant
Workers Association of ATIRA has revealed who they are. So
they may talk about themselves being a charity, but they've
said a lot of about themselves by feeling that they
can you know, stage and mark execution right, so that

(11:15):
you know they talk about free speech, gives you the
opportunity to hear, so you see what people are and
they've put up their hand and said this is what
we are, so you know we're going to do We're
going to do a Marck execution. So this is what
we think is okay. And then you can decide yourself
whether you think that's okay.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
Yeah, and sadly, look there, obviously because New Zealand the
well run democracy, they're allowed to do it and they're
still walking the streets in their own country. I doubt
they would be today. That has probably been carted off
somewhere and put into a dark room and you'd never
see them again. But because New Zealanders are and honestly,
I'll say this the most welcoming, the most kind, the

(11:57):
most supportive for me as an immigrants, this country is
being a god seend and nice to hear Pats to
see this just goes well, maybe you should have just
stayed at home.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Interesting point, Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Pat, Well, that's what started at all oftenn't Yeah, it
was Peter saying that in parliament.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's right, But that's an interesting way to look at it.
As Pat mentioned, and she's from Zimbabwe. But say that
you try to hold a protest like that in China
for example, and be headed Hi jingping? How do you
think that is going to go down through? The protest
is involved in that sort of thing? But is that
a nice thing?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Well, that's that's my point, Tyler. That's why our country
is better. It's because we allow people to do this
kind of thing, Yeah, and show who they are. Right,
You're absolutely right, you know you you would good luck?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah you disappear, but yeah, right, yeah, that freedom that
we have here to do what people, many people think
might be too extreme. But isn't that, you know, that's
a positive for New Zealand itself or is it not?
Do you think this is completely unacceptable and this stuff
should be shut down in this country? Oh, e one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is an uber to call
and nine two ninety two is the text.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
This stuff is a slippery slope to real actions witness
happenings in the US, UK and Australia which culminate in
violent acts. I mean, that is the question isn't it?
Does do violent political displays increase the likelihood of real
world violence? Or does everyone see this as a pantomime? Yeah,
weight one hundred and eighty ten eight.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
It is twenty two past one. Back with more of
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Speaker 1 (13:25):
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Speaker 10 (13:29):
Paul Spoonley massa university sociologist. Is there hard data anywhere
in the world from any country or jurisdiction that's handled
out money and people went ahead and had more children.

Speaker 11 (13:38):
No, what tends to happen is that there is a
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it had a temporary increase. But what we suspect is
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Speaker 2 (14:08):
Afternoon to yet twenty four past one. So we're talking
about a protest over the weekend that held a mock
execution of Winston Peters over the back of his remarks
till Green MP saying he should go home to China.
So the protesters did say or repeatedly tell the crowd
during this mock execution that it was satire and metaphoric
and that no harm was intended.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Is that enough? Does it go too far?

Speaker 4 (14:30):
A typical winny can dish out but God forget. But
someone else tries to point out anything or protest regarding
his behavior, says as Texter, him claiming it was a
call to violence is beyond reacting. So what is it?
So why are you performing a mock guillatining if it's

(14:51):
not related at all to violence? It isn't some way
related to violence because it's invoking I guess the galantinings
of political gillatinings of the past. Yeah, French Revolution and such.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's provocative. So they know it's going to get a reaction. Yeah,
of course it's going to get a reaction. And even
them standing up saying this is just satire, it's a mock,
we don't intend any harm, I think is pretty disingenuous.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, I mean that definitely means it's trying to be
it's trying to get a reaction. It's trying to be
as extreme as possible, right, Yeah, so, and that does
have ripples, it does, I imagine. But does it actually
lead to someone committing violent acts? I don't know. I mean,
that's a really tough thing to say. A lot of
people saying revoke their charity status. The Migrant Workers Association

(15:38):
are not paying tax running as a charity, they need
to lose that charity registration. Says this text that they've
shown what their makeup is, and that's a good point.
So New Zealand charities are allowed to advocate on issues
connected with their charitable purposes, but official guidance says they

(15:58):
must remain independent from political parties and candidates and must
not tell people to vote for or against them. Whether
this protest breaches charity law, I don't know. I mean,
pretty hard to work out, wouldn't it. Because they could
argue that they're advocating on issues connected with their charitable purposes,
as the Migrant Workers Association of.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's be a hard one to argue either way.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
And I don't know. Would we be comfortable that people
were being carted off to prison for protest, even distasteful
protests like their stature. You've got to say counterproductive to
their goals. Yes, because they have made as I said before,
this about them and their protest and if they had
a problem with what Winston Peter said in Parliament, it's

(16:43):
not about that anymore, is it.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's right, it feels like an own goal more than
anything else. But what do you say? I had hundred
eighty ten eighty? Is that number? Graham?

Speaker 3 (16:51):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 8 (16:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (16:54):
I was listening to you earlier on and it's sort
of true. Parallels to me with something that happened many
many years ago. Ponti Harrowerra was making a speech and
he mentioned something or rather motos and I don't they
remember that. But for the next two weeks all anyone
mentioned was that those two words, and it was actually

(17:17):
making a really valid point about Mary's use and education.
And I think the parallel hearers that people are focusing
on the deed or the words and not the thoughts
behind them. So I think they've learned the plot with
this mock execution. I've done the wrong thing these people

(17:38):
are talking about. I mean, they're talking about the wrong thing.
So yeah, wrong, Sorry, that's.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Me, Graham. I think that's part of it.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I didn't recall that particular incident, but from just
quickly looking it up, it was in a email while
serving as multi party MP, so he complained about issues,
but he also used the term white mofos, as Graham said.
But yeah, I mean that's I think to me, that's
that's quite different to this mock beheading. But I get
your point, Graham, And I think that's part of it

(18:09):
is when you do something like this, which many see
is extreme and over the top, do you lose the
point about what you're protesting about.

Speaker 13 (18:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (18:16):
And isn't there the greatest thing about freedom of speech
that you give people an opportunity to show you who
they are. Yeah, And and so they've shown you that
they're the tope person that wants to do mock guillotines
of Gilatines wants and Peter's and undoubtedly helping wants to Peter's.
Yeahub absolutely, Yeah, I mean I think objectively everyone would

(18:37):
agree that this helps once to beet us. Yeah, he's
he's deep down probably not unhappy about it.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
I think he's very happy about it because.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
It gives another wave to the story. It makes him
a victim to a certain extent. Guys' freedom of speech
is a great thing. We have the Hakker, a traditional
multi war dance that can include throat cutting gestures toward
an enemy, yet performing it as an illegal Context and
intent matters, Josh, yeah. I imagine if you've got so
hard core on demonstrations of violence that you banned the Harker,

(19:07):
they would good.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
No, no, that wouldn't be a good look for New Zealand.
Great texts that one, keep those coming through on nine
two nine two. But what do you say, oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty, do you agree with Winston
Peters that these guys should be arrested for holding this
mock guillotine execution or do you think that is anti
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Speaker 3 (20:43):
Thank you very much, Raileen.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
So we're talking about this our protest over the weeken
by the Migrant Workers Association of al Tiedoa. They organized
a mock gillatine execution of an effigy of Winston Pieces.
So Winston Peters has called for them to be arrest
or at least get the police involved, but The question
for you is does that go too far?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
This Texas says, the Harker is not throat cutting, you bigot.
It represents the breath of life. Learn before you speak.
Well that was a text do was red out, So
they need to learn before they text. But is it not?
I never have a problem with it being throat cutting.
I mean, if it is the breath of life, they're
not throat cutting. But isn't that. I always thought it
was cool because you're about to go into battle with

(21:23):
the opposition, So I like the all black spears threatening
as possible.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
It was pretty awesome to watch.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I know some other country's got about up in arms
over that throat cutting A gesture.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Back, good, Yeah, you gotta rack them up. You've got
to get inside their heads.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
You do your own gesture back if you want to. Yeah,
but that I mean, look, I'll take you on your
word that it represents the breath of life. I'll take
you on the word on that. Good on you. But
I never had a problem with it still provided I
never had a problem when I thought it was throat cutting.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, keep those teas coming through A nine two, nine
to two in taking your calls on our one hundred
and eighty ten eighty, get a Colleen, Oh.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
Get a guys on one of your favorites.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
As you know, we love you.

Speaker 15 (22:03):
I know I love you too. Both also and they're crazy,
which is great. That all this business is just getting
a bit much. It's time everyone grew the f up
and stopped behaving like they just stepped out as a
bush that three hundred years ago.

Speaker 16 (22:25):
I'm think of it.

Speaker 17 (22:26):
It's disgraceful and what does it tell our kids?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
So you're talking about these protests obviously in this mock execution.

Speaker 18 (22:33):
Oh god, yeah, really, well, you know.

Speaker 15 (22:37):
It's just what.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Do you not buy their argument a little bit, Colleen,
that it's a free country and maybe this this is
pretty close to the line or steps over it, but
it's to get attention and and to try and get
their message across.

Speaker 18 (22:55):
No, they need to perhaps go back to school, maybe
start up from a one start again if they've missed
something on the way about how to communicate and get
their message across without being.

Speaker 19 (23:11):
Violence or discussing.

Speaker 20 (23:14):
You know, it's just.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
But even though maybe that's true, Colleen, you still do
you still support their right to do it, because you know,
freedom of speech and such in this world.

Speaker 18 (23:26):
Actually no, I mean I've been brought up in a
different New Zealand. Yeah, I'm an old bat, you know.
But there's just I mean I've done crazy things too
when I was young and stuff, but nothing, nothing of
that sort of This is just crap.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah, I think if you call Colin, I mean really,
they're referencing the French Revolution, aren't there? So I guess
two hundred and thirty five years ago or something rather
than three hundred years ago. Yeah, So that's what the
Gallatine is, isn't it? The storming of the Bastille and such,
and just the amount of heads they snipped off and

(24:03):
the French Revolution.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
They loved it.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
It was incredible.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah. Yeah, it was going NonStop, wasn't it. At one
point that what.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Happened in the revolution though, is they snipped the heads
off of everyone, and that they didn't like the aristocracy,
but then they just started snipping everyone's head off that
disagreed with them, And yeah, the French Revolution ended in
too many heads being snipped off.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
He'd crazy snipping the friends heads off.

Speaker 13 (24:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Nine two is the teachs Plean Tea coming through.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I personally find the effigy distasteful, but everyone should have
the right to free speech. You imagine if Durn was
in the guillotine though, the left with the left stream
media would be melting down, Sarah, the left stream media,
the lift theft, left aligned, Yeah, the left, mainstream media,
left leaning, the left stream Yeah, okay, I get well,

(24:52):
get what.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
You mean yep. And this one says, get a guys.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I think what those the Migrant Group did to one
of our elected parliamentarians is absolutely shocking. Imagine what would
happen if New Zealand citizens did that to the group leader,
for example, even if it was mock it went too
far and it's not who we are.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Chris, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (25:13):
Hi, Hi, Hi, interesting debate going on here. I'd just
like to do a couple of things. One is remind
everyone that during the COVID protests that ended up with
the occupation of the Parliament grounds, honestly can't remember how
many years ago it was, but those few years ago

(25:35):
there was a group of people too marched with stead
of gallows calling for Jasinda Adurn to be hung from
them and their goal was to set them up on
Parliament House. Now, I would put to all the people
who are so upset about Paul Winston?

Speaker 18 (25:54):
What did they think about that?

Speaker 4 (25:57):
What did you think about it? Are you equally disgusted
by both both acts or you find the focus.

Speaker 8 (26:03):
No, I wouldn't disgusted not the right word. I was
probably concerned and with the rage at that time. I
thought it was pretty frightful really, And the thing that
I find really ironic is that Winston at the time
never uttered a word about that, but he was down

(26:26):
there socializing with all those people who had taken part
in that protest.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
So you've got to say that.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
You've got to say that people were massively outraged, and
that occupation of the Parliament grounds in twenty twenty two
ended with quite considerable police force.

Speaker 15 (26:45):
It did.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, yeah, scenes that we haven't seen sea that Natty
one in New Zealand. So I guess to go back
to my question. So you were concerned then at the
level of anger. Are you concerned at the level of
anger being shown towards Winston Peters with this protet?

Speaker 8 (27:05):
I don't think. I don't think the actual was necessarily appropriate, Okay,
I just think it's ironic that we have Winston standing
up saying, oh, they all should be arrested and blah
blah blah. Yet when there was another member of parliament
targeted in twenty twenty two, he never said a word.

(27:28):
Yeah right, And that was our Prime minister at the
time that people were marching through the country with a
set of gallows saying we want to Hangjcinda a dun. Now,
whether you like Jasinda a dun or not, that's not
the point. But that's my point.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Do you think these people should be arrested or the
police have a checked to them?

Speaker 14 (27:47):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (27:48):
I don't think these people should be arrested. I think
maybe they'll probably all go back and reevaluate whether it
was the right strategy or not.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
That did happen though with many of those people involved
in those mock gallows for Gesinda though, didn't that You
see my point as that? And I hear what you're
saying about Winston Peters, but put him to the he
might have not seen anything then and now he's speaking
up because it's him involved, but the call for and
I don't think they should be arrested, and I don't
even think the police should be involved yet. But you
can see the difference there that the police were heavily

(28:20):
involved and those people who are on the Parliament grounds
and they got a good speaking to and some of
them got charged. So I suppose that's where that the
difference is, right, as someone like yourself can see the
the inappropriate nature of both of those types of protests,
But there is a difference, right, and in the way
that the police reacted.

Speaker 8 (28:39):
I think that the police reaction was about more than
just the staging of the set of gallows. For Jacinda,
it was about the occupation of Parliament grounds and wanting
to remove them.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, and that so you know, that was that was
widely That was widely the use of the gallows was
widely condemned, wasn't it by political leaders and right across
the media. Isn't it as a dangerous escalation? No, I
don't know that for a fact, but I have never
seen him. I didn't hear him say anything about that.

(29:19):
But yeah, it kind of shows you who people are, though,
doesn't it, Chris. And that's the great thing about free
freedom of speech is that it shows you. It shows
you who both groups are.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
Yep, yeah, no, for sure, Thank you, thank.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
You, Chris, Yeah, good on you. Thank you very much
for your call. So are you with Chris So one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. But in general do you
think this was distasteful and do you think the police
should be involved in these sort of protests or is
that just freedom of expression? Nine two ninety two is
the text number as well.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Hey guys, what will we said if when he is
assaulted or worse as he as has happened in the
UK with a reform politician being beaten with a hammer
twenty nine times as a result of this sort of thing.
Not cool and a step too far. That's from Wurzel.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Okay, keep those techs coming through. It is seventeen to
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Speaker 1 (30:04):
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Speaker 2 (30:13):
Fourteen to two. So the Migrant Migrant Workers Association of
Altero I held a mock execution for Winston Peters. They
said it was a metaphor calling for him to get
the shop as and being sacked by the Prime Minister.
But do you think that sort of protest goes too far?

Speaker 16 (30:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Hi, guys, it would be considered offensive behavior and threatening
to kill under the Crimes Act were concerning this is
all over the media and kids can be exposed to
offensive behavior. Yeah, it's it's a tough one because I
think it wouldn't I mean, there was there was that guy,
wasn't it? Who was what was his name? Richard Seville

(30:49):
who was threatened to hang Ja cinder r Deurn And
he was jailed. So he was making online threats to
hang Prime Minister just Cinda and Deerne. He was horror
this this is an an article I reading. He has
been sentence stuff to being convicted at a trial of
a charge of threatening to kill dern. So if it's
a direct it's a tough one, right, So everyone is

(31:10):
liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years.
Who threatens to kill or do grievous bodily harm to
a person. But this isn't really that is it for?
And I'm trying to work out exactly why. And I
think it's because it's a it's a it's almost like
an installation. It's an expression as opposed to and it's

(31:33):
distasteful obviously, and it's it's there to get as much
attention as possible, but it's not really a direct threat.
It's a you know, you get into this difficult situation
where you say certain types of demonstration are direct threats
and you'll be jailing a lot of people for seven
years for that.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, I think you know, whether you think it is
distasteful or not, I think calling a theater is pretty
apt for this particular type of demonstration.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
But what do you say?

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Ruth says, Hey, guys, why are you giving this charity airtime?
They will be loving all the notoriety you're sending their way.
Shame on you, says Ruth. Well, we talk about the
things that are in the news. That's right, and this
is in the news, and I think it's an interesting discussion.
And if it gives this charity air time, it also
gives Winston Peters their time. I mean, things happen. It's
going to give people your time.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
That's right, and a lot of people won't have a
chat about it. One hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
that's you get a Craig you know.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
Guys, I'm going to mention that chat that I think
Matt just mentioned. I thought he had figurines of Sindo
or pictures of Sindo and he was shooting them and
he got charged and convicted and went to jail. This
is similar because this is not carrying some gallows and
approach it smart sort of that. This is actually putting

(32:49):
a figurine of somebody. And you know, the capitatiom and
die and a lot of these immigrants, I guess where
they come from. That's what they do. So I believe
they shouldn't be charged on it, you know. Yeah, but
this has been going on for years. I was only

(33:09):
a boy when the Labor Party bought a pig's head
on a platter into Parliament basically to insult Muldoon.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Piggy Maldoon.

Speaker 19 (33:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
Absolutely, Now was that referring to chopping the Piggy Muldoon's
head off, I don't know, but that to me, that.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Was there'll be too many vegans in the Labor Party
now for them to pull another stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
Absolutely, but it's not very clever when you actually put
that person. So you say, you know, that's encouraging that
type of act.

Speaker 7 (33:46):
Type of thing.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
So I'm with winning on this one. What that guy got.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Went to jail for there's a non different Craig that.
So there's an analogy here that they tried to represent.
And as they said, their previous protests got no attention,
so they wanted to do something a bit more radical
to try.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
And get some more attention.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
But their analogy was they're calling for him to be
sacked for the Prime minister the second because of those
comments had the big thing, big sign up there when
he needs the chop and then they rolled out the guillotine.
Does that change it from what happened to that guy
who was arrested over threatening just sinder adourn to this.
Would you call it a threat?

Speaker 14 (34:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (34:21):
I would call it a threat. And if you have
to go to those means to get your point across
and to get a bit more attention, and then obviously
you've got a very holow point and forget about what
you're trying to protest, because you know, once again, with
what I've been dealing with over the last couple of years,
we could quite easily do things about our mayor, but

(34:42):
we won't go that far because what's the point. So absolutely,
and there is a point when you start putting a
figurine on a person and you can identify and chop
it his head off. That's just wrong. And I think
it's even worse from immigrants, as that lady from Tababwe

(35:03):
was saying. I think it's even worse on the immigrant.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
It's interesting whether it helps though, because you know, you
think about the more and more intense protests that people have,
like you know, overseas with the climate action groups throwing
paint and soup and powder over famous artworks. I think
it's widely believed now that they set their cause back
a long way. So you kind of if you you
know from from a you know how effective you're going

(35:33):
to be as a protest. You can go too far,
and that's one of the good things about free speech, right,
So I would say that this protest has gone too
far and swung the sympathy back in Winston Peter's favor
a little bit. Do you see what I'm saying, Craig,
that that if you allow people to be people, then

(35:53):
then we can all judge them for what they do.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
I hear what you're saying, but it is a slippery slope,
as you say, and you know, you give these sort
of extreme groups of your life, you're given in the
Take a Mile and it's I just think it should
be stamped on pretty pretty hard, because they did stamp

(36:18):
on some you know that chat. But I don't know
if he was calling for people to go and assassinate
just sunder or whether he was just had figurines and
he was shooting at them and that kind of thing
and that's all he was doing. It's no difference.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah, it's interesting trying to work out why it's different.
And I think the performance aspect of it makes it
slightly different, Craig, But I see a point there is similarly,
there's definitely similarities there when you when you invoke the
execution of someone that you're you're at leased in the
same ballpark as this person that's gone to prison.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
We lost, Craig. Craig's interesting point.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Sorry, Craig, we lost you somehow.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (37:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
of cooking here your thoughts on this and nineteen nine
to if you want to send a text as well.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Stanley says call when he needs to harden up and
maybe change his adult diaper a bit more often. Well,
help So where a diaper does he I think that's
more ages and coming through.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Okay, right, thank you Stanley. It is seven to two.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons Newstorgs.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
EDB newstorks 'B. It is five to so get a cadence, Yeah,
can I mate?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 16 (37:37):
Well, I was just bringing up to give you a
story about similar protests that happened between high school Froberg
High School and David Seymour. Happened about two three years ago.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
We got sixty seconds cadence to go for it all good.

Speaker 16 (37:49):
So there was a while ago that David Seymour was
going around schools talking with the teachers and the kids
that Friburg thought that he was coming around to stop
the Muori program, which I also thought at the time
as well. But when he had come around, the students
at Freeburg tried to protest this and do the huk.

(38:10):
Obviously they get a little bit physical and spit on him.
But then after that had happened, the teachers had to
had to line up and actually force the students out
to get him to get him through. But after that happened,
there was a school school assembly to talk about it.
And when that had happened, from the only kids that

(38:32):
went to the assembly was the kids who were a
part of the protest, and from what a few of
my friends had told me, they were a part of it.
And one of the few of the friends that had
told me was that they were actually told off for
protesting about it.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Right, and we're going to have to leave, okay then,
sor maybe we'll come back to this quickly after in
the next hour, out of time and go to the news.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Right now, the news is right on our tails, so
stand by. We might come back to this in a
few minutes. News coming up at.

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Speaker 2 (39:14):
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Speaker 4 (39:17):
Hey, Can I just say thank you to all the
lovely messages of congratulations that have been coming through on
nine two nine two. If I had time, I'd respond
to all of them. But what lovely listeners.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
We have been happy, so many people stoked for you
in the lovely Tracy as well.

Speaker 13 (39:33):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah, it's great news.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
It's uplifting stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, it's good stuff on a Monday right now. Last hour,
we were having a chat about this protest undertaken by
the Migrant Workers Association of Altero. They organized a mock
guillotine execution of Winston Peters. They say he needs to
get the chop airs and fired by Christopher Luxen. But
as you can imagine, there's been some controversy over the
way that they conducted that protest.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Yeah, we had to cut Cadence off before because we
ran out of time. We'll just get his whole story
from the start again in a second, but I'll just
read some texts that have come through. Hey guys, so
you two are both advocating for this act to be downplayed.
If this was one of your loved ones who had
annoyed a group, you would be just as happy for
an effigy of your loved one to be dressed in
an orange jumpsuit, knelt down and its head chopped off

(40:17):
with a katana. Wow, it's very specific, it is you
think they would not feel any fear from a group
demonstrating such a level of violence towards them. We've seen
plenty of people in the past need much less encouragement
to commit heinous acts. Cheers, Rob, Yeah, thanks to your text.
It is an interesting one and we know that when s.
Peter's house has been attacked not so long ago. Yeah,

(40:38):
and I think even di does doggie get injured by
a bit of glass? Yeah, I'm trying to remember the details.
He so much news go through the system.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Someone smashed one of his windows. His dole and his
partner were there at the time. His dog got a
bit injured, and his partner, quite rightly, was terrified.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah. I guess my point wouldn't be that I'm down
playing it, but I'm just up playing. That's saying the
importance of freedom of speech and allowing people to show
you who they are. And so I think most people
would see that protest and go it's pretty distasteful. You
get to see it, and that's that's freedom of speech.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Right Yep?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Where is the balance? And now we've got Cadence back Cadence,
sorry about before.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
So let's start at the top. Yeah, mate, So you
tell us the story.

Speaker 16 (41:21):
So, as from what I can remember, it was a
lot of the students at Froberick High School at the
time believed that David Seymour was going around schools trying
to basically dispart the Maori kind of room that we had.

(41:44):
And basically when he came to our school to speak
with our teachers, a majority of the Maori students and
our at our high school and a lot of other
people who in the high school at the high school
at the time who did not agree with David Seamoa's

(42:05):
idea on that sort of thing, basically all came together
to protest, and obviously they did the hucker and got
up in a face and got a little bit physical
and spat on him. It was all recorded. It was
that you can actually find it online. And basically at

(42:27):
the end of it when teachers had to teachers actually
actually had to intervene.

Speaker 13 (42:33):
And form a sort of wall.

Speaker 16 (42:35):
To try and push the students back off of David
Seymour so that he could actually move. And afterwards it
was an assembly held for all the students who were involved,
and two of my friends were actually a part of it,
and they came back and told me that they were

(42:58):
actually told off for the way the protest had gone about. Obviously,
there's like third party information, and the information is extremely unreliable.
But yeah, I just thought that it seems very interesting,

(43:21):
that's something like something like that, and people trying to
protest can be so I'm quite out of word it.
I know people don't like being being told what to do.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
I guess, yeah, I guess in that one. Wasn't there
spitting and jostling and such cadence in the protest, So
that's that's over that's overstepping a mark. I mean, if
they if they, you know, and there's discipline schools and
places you made, but we're supposed to behave And I
know my school, if we had yelled at a politician

(43:55):
who'd come to school, would have been in a whole
lot of trouble. There's been a lot of detentions, probably suspensions.
But but you know, if you if you had if
you had stood back and just had a protest from
a distance without impeding a person's movements or spitting on
them or whatever, that that's a very different thing, isn't it.

(44:15):
Because you don't have the right to split on someone
or make physical contact with not at all.

Speaker 16 (44:20):
That yeah, no one, But I feel like instead of
telling them off for it, imply that right, like say like,
don't tell them off for it, but instead point them
in the right direction saying, hey, this was this was unacceptable,
this was not okay, but doing it this way instead.
So still get your message across, but also you know,

(44:44):
make it be acceptable about it.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah, I mean, you do get your message across a
lot better if you have one to get across. If
you protest peacefully, I believe, I mean, you make the
story about your behavior and not what the issue is
you're trying to raise. And I think thanks for your
cool cadence. And I think that's kind of a situation here,
isn't it. So you you, you know, you have this
mock execution by Galatine of Winston Peter's. You make that

(45:08):
the store, as opposed to whatever you're trying to say
about it, has like a viril or labor or the
Greens commented on this burning effigy wasn't a burning effigy,
It was a Guillotini. I Stull was horrified about the
radio Shoot shagg Mary episode where the act politicians said
from the names given he would select to we don't

(45:28):
need to go through that.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
We all know, we all remember shoot.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Chris Hopkins, Mary, Chris Luxon, Luckson yep, and most disturbling
of all, Shag Winston Peters.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
They should have got the headline right there.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah yeah, Hi guys. If this performance was on stage
in a theater, maybe, but it wasn't. So no performance.
It riches the hate threshold and should be challenged. Not
acceptable in New Zealand, says Graham. Okay, lads, Has Chris
and Viral been contacted of comment after their uncontrollable outrage
regarding shoot Shagged? Mary from Grant? You know a lot

(46:02):
of ever saying that yep, Hey, guys, can you remember
back to when TV one decided to shoot President Trump
live on TV? Was pathetic? But when our TV and
news president think it's okay, well, that's telling the whole country.
That's when they shot the little Donald Trump with a
salt gun.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Right, Oh that's right? With the assault? Yeah, yeah, certainly
more than.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
A threat than shoot Shagg Marry Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
All right, all right.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
I think we've gone a long way here, haven't we.

Speaker 7 (46:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, I think that's been a good discussion, has I mean.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
The Migrant Workers' Association of IA's a charity and they've
decided that setting up a guillotine and performing a mock
execution of a member of Parliament is okay. So and
that says a lot about the charity, right Yeah. Whether
you think what they have done or stand for is
good or bad, that is up to you. But you
do know what they think, and you know that they

(46:57):
think that's okay. Personally, I think they've handed Winston an
easy win. He's probably happy about it. But that's freedom
of speech too. People are free to help their opposition
with their words. And then there's a fantastic text. There's
so many coming through here we go, not this one.
Freedom speech does not mean freedom from consequences. But there

(47:17):
was a great one about how this makes someone feel
amazing about living in New Zealand. Oh my goodness, if
I could find this, I'd be so happy.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Hundreds and hundreds of texts that have come through over
the last hour.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Ah, oh gosh, come.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
On, we've victims of our own success here. I mean,
look how many that's still coming through, thick and fast.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
I needed to save this one. But basically the upshot
of it was, ah, there we go, JB. Thank you.
It took me a long time to find it. This
conversation makes me proud to be a key. We says
this text that the freedom to discuss and debate about
the dumb things different people do. We certainly have our problems,
but isn't it great to live in a relatively free country?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, nicely, said JB. Great discussion. Thank you to everyone
who gave us a call. Antext true. But coming up
after the break, there's a bit of business. How much
do you look to the government for help? Christopher Luckxon's
got himself into a little bit of trouble in some quarters.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Will tell you more. Next it is a quarter pass two.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
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afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk, said be.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Eighteen past two.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Sir Christopher Luckxon has come under fire in some quarters
for comments he made to a business chamber breadfast. Who
are speaking that? Ot it all our business chamber breakfast.
When the group's chief executive, Melanie Short, said the city
had experienced the sharpest fallen business confidence in almost a decades,
she said, the affordability of doing business it's getting harder
and harder.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
How long can we hang on? She asked?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
So Christopher Luckxon responded that that view was quite negative,
saying New Zealand businesses needed to move away from a
parent child mentality of waiting to see what the government
would do. He defended himself on Mike Coskin's show this morning.

Speaker 21 (49:02):
He has a bit of that and there was justly
no intent to cause offense. But it was quite a
long conversation that was a piece of us. I fully
acknowledge you know how to set up front and I just
said I'm a great admirer of business people because they've
led through difficult times. They've got a lot of people
to lead. I've been in that situation as a business
leader myself and know a lot of what I've got
to do is get the settings right so they can
get on and crack on.

Speaker 10 (49:22):
And do you think that this woman from the Chamber
of Commerce does in fact represent a group in New
Zealand as whether in business or not, who do want
to get up in the morning and be told how
to live their life and have their bum wiped by
the government and that's what they love.

Speaker 21 (49:34):
I actually think the vast majority of key is that
I run into outside of you know, the bubble of
Wellington you know when I'm out there every week, you know, genuinely,
genuinely actually want to get connected to ambition and aspiration
and positivity and can do and get out there and
make things happen. Government can't do everything, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Actually, business leaders.

Speaker 21 (49:51):
Can move with speed and scale. We get the settings right.
The community leaders see the pain.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
They need the frustration.

Speaker 21 (49:56):
We all do different things, but they're quite complementary and
we've got to go to work together.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
So there was a pushback from Christopher Luxeen.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
There's a great line there from Hosking. They love having
the abum wiped by the government.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Is it a policy any party's bringing to the election vote?
Sounds quite nice. Actually have a local public.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Servant turn up for the entire government. Yeah, yeah, turns
there's a lot of people being involved now. But you
get the point, Yes, you get the point. Yeah, it
does seem like people are willfully taking this in the
most negative way they possibly can. Right, Yes, what lucks
and saying. But kind of raises a different question, Right,

(50:39):
if you're running a business, do you wait around for
the conditions to be created by the government for you
to thrive or do you just have to go hard?
The whole time, and and you know, deal with what's
in front of you. Yeah, the obstacle is the way
whatever it is right now. And you know, is it

(50:59):
wrong for the government to say that that You know,
it's not a parent child relationship. You know you you
are the adults. You get on with it.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
It's your business. You've got to do whatever you can
to make it work.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
So what do you say, O eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty as a business owner, how much are you
looking to the government for help? And you think Christopher
Luxen is wrong by saying there is in some quarters
a parent child mentality from some business owners. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Peter, says lux and is one hundred cent correct? How
attitude is so negative? People expect to be looked after
from the craile to the grave.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
You go, do you agree with Peter tell Us? Ninet
two ninety two is the text number? It is twenty
one past two.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks EDB. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty on News Talks edb.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Twenty three past two.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Sir Christopher Luxon is getting some backlash to his comments
that New Zealand businesses needed to move away from a
parent child mentality of waiting to see what the government
would do. He did reiterates that his core message was
about encouraging businesses to be more confident and less reliant
on government directions. So what do you say, I one
hundred eighty ten eighty is a business owner? How much
do you look to the government for help the Texas?

Speaker 4 (52:17):
I agree with what Luck's in the saying, but the
problem is he promised the government would get out of
our way so we could get on with it. Last
time a lot they are still very much in our way.
It's the difference between what he promised and what has happened.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
That's very fair.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Yeah, and this text says tep typical media beat up
from you media, so a very offensive expression that it
starts with ass Oh okay, but I won't go any further,
but you get the point. You can tell me in there,
the typical media beat up from you media.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Okay, right, keep those teas coming through. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call as well.
Get a penny, get eight.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Person and what do you reckon?

Speaker 15 (52:57):
Well, I don't need him to wipe my bottom, but
I agree with that guy. Just get out of my way.

Speaker 18 (53:03):
I am.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
So.

Speaker 15 (53:04):
You know, there's so many things that the councils and
governments second your way that costs your money that you've
got to get past. And I'm not saying that there
doesn't need to be any regulation. That's not the point
as well, but it's excessive and just yeah, by all means,
you can't have both. You can't insist that you know
you're in my way and therefore I don't get support

(53:27):
or the other way around. If you're going to say
we're not going to support you, just get out of
my road. I'm not going to hurt anybody. I'm going
to look after the welfare of the people that I employ.
That's my business.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
Hey, pennies, you don't mind me asking what business are
you in?

Speaker 15 (53:42):
I'm in the arts area I have. Yeah, So I
shan't get more specifics because it's really obvious ones I
do that, but I just not they get in by way.
They get in my way big time with regulations that
are excessive. But also I'm up against them because it's arts,

(54:06):
I have got a whole load off. They're not companies there,
businesses if you want, that are fully funded or predominantly
funded by counsels and governments, right, and they're my competition.
Yeah right, So they're getting lots of funding. But because
I am a commercial enterprise, I am not eligible for funding. Right,

(54:30):
So I am up against people or companies and businesses
for one of a better word, that I can't compete with.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
That's interesting. So you can commercially provide a service, but
you're competing with the government. So if you are allowed
to provide your service, and the service would be provided,
but instead you've got a service you want to provide.
And the thing that's making it hard is for you
to provide it is they're using taxpayers money to compete
with you to provide it.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (55:00):
So for example, I can run a work. I can
run a workshop, all right. I have to take into
account that I have to pay rent, I have to
pay rates, they have to pay wages. I have to
pay all of those sorts of plus my outgoings.

Speaker 13 (55:14):
But I call them businesses.

Speaker 15 (55:17):
They're not businesses, but they're whatever they are. They get
peppercorn rental, they work with volunteers, they you know, it's
that sort of thing. So I'm on the back foot
before I even start.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Do you think do you think so when the coalition
government came in, when National being the leading party and
Luxelon became the prime minister, did you expect things to
change and they didn't or do you think this is
just an I did.

Speaker 15 (55:47):
Expect a little bit. I did expect a little bit
of release from the regulations front. That's not happened. Not really,
I don't I don't see any discernible between where we,
you know, between governments. Basically they still all want lots

(56:08):
of money, gsts, the whole works, you know, And because
we're not a charity, we don't qualify for all those
up pieces of help. So I don't want help. I
don't need help, but I would quite like it if again,
they would.

Speaker 20 (56:23):
Get out of my way.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Well do you think it is a parent should mentality?
But I suppose in your case the parent is a
very strict parent that won't leat you out of the house.

Speaker 15 (56:32):
It's that's a nice way of putting it. I don't
know that it's a parent child's mentality. I don't think
that that's how.

Speaker 8 (56:43):
I've always thought about.

Speaker 15 (56:44):
It, but I would like an even playing field.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (56:49):
No, you do feel a little bit better when you're
up against basically government subsidized entities and you're trying to
do a business and you know they say, well, you know,
just get out of it and don't do it. That's
not the point. This is my business, and I think
that there's other people that are in the same way,
in the same position, and it doesn't really matter what

(57:12):
it is.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I can see how frustrating it would be Penny as
a business owner when you can see the answer in
front of you when you've got a challenge, but one
of those big challenges that you can't get around might
be government regulation.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Yeah, that seems like that seems like a problem. Ah,
this is what is happening. As has been said before,
this isn't a national party, says the text. So this
is the rn Z National Party. They are more Wellington
bubble than any national party before them. They are scared
to do what they believe is right in case someone
with a nose ring doesn't think they're cool.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Okay, rights very articulately put do you agree with that
text R and Z national Yeah, Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is an umber to call. Nine two
ninety two is the text. So how much is it
as a business owner do you look to the government
for help? Weul where are you like Penny.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
That it's more you just want them to get out
of your way?

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Well, David said, if listeners want governments to get out
of the way, then the government that that would be
least in their way is the current one that's from Dave.
But I mean that you could say, well, did they
promise to get more out of your way just because
they're less in your way than the either option? Does
that stack up? Or did they promise to be more

(58:21):
out of your way?

Speaker 8 (58:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Yeah, yeah, interesting question. What do you say?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
We've got the headlines with Rayling coming up? But O
one hundred and eighty teen eighty is that number to call?

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Speaker 3 (59:54):
Thank you very much, Roylance.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
So we're talking about some backlash in some quarters toward
Christopher Luxen told a Rotuer Chamber of Commerce breakfast, he
said New Zealand businesses needed to move away from apparent
child mentality of waiting to see what the government would do.
He then reiterated this morning that his court message was
about encouraging businesses to be more confident and less reliance
on government's direction.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
This Texas says, you ales always take Luckson's words in
the worst possible way in the Greens and labor into
patimari and the best. It's pathetic. We all know what
he meant. We know you left wing want the other
side in power, but you could at least hide it. Well.
Now we're giving you an opportunity to discuss it one
hundred and eighty ten eighty, like, explain what Luckson said,

(01:00:37):
that's right, and let's talk it through. Yeah, because it
definitely has been twisted in a way for headlines. It has,
there's no two ways about it. A great thing about
talk back as you can ring it in on one hundred
and eighteen eighty and you can put a the spin
on it that that you want to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Like Sonjay yetto Sonjay Hi how are you make very
good so you're a small business owner?

Speaker 13 (01:01:03):
Ah, yes, i am. And I think one of what
he said is it doesn't make a a lot of
a lot of sense. Why I say that is because
you know, this baby feeling should actually get off. There's
no point feeling like a like a little baby or
what the What we what these businessmans do is look

(01:01:25):
up for some some sort of a benefit which should
be coming coming through the way, through their way, so
that they can survive. And why I say that at
the age of fifty seven, I mean I was not young.
I got cancer and I had to quit my full
time job. And this was the time when, the when,
the when, the when, the you know, the the monitul

(01:01:48):
part was so damn bloody difficult for me.

Speaker 22 (01:01:50):
But I never.

Speaker 13 (01:01:51):
Thought that I'm going to go to the government or
to the you know, all these institutes and start getting
money from there. Whatever I got paid out, I invested
in my in my own business today. It was one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars company. I got my own
own website, I designed my own products. I get them forged,
I get them shipped from from China, and and I

(01:02:14):
am running pretty well. And I'm paying my paying my
bills and my and my taxes. Not that I wanted
to sit and be dependent on the on the on
the benefits, or you know, rely on loans so that
I could I could start something on my on my own.
So I think it is it is time for people
to get up and stop depending on any of these
these these sorts of benefits which have been provided. I mean,

(01:02:37):
when when I am be successful who never had absolutely
no knowledge at all of that business. I started my
own at the age of fifty fifty fifty seven, after
trying to recover two and a half years of cancer
that I could not really move out of my bed.
I started my own. I and and and I think
it's a it's a it's a pretty successful story. And

(01:02:59):
I've and I've never actually looked back after that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
I'm good, license well done, saying Jayane has your health now.

Speaker 13 (01:03:06):
I'm I'm I'm I'm to be fine. I mean it's
been about five years now, so not too bad. I
lost all my teeth. I lost all my teeth, but
I was on totally on liquid died for about two
and a half years.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
I never I never.

Speaker 13 (01:03:20):
Went on benefits or you know, looking for some some
sort of you know, sort of the baby feeding from
the from the from the government. Oh please come and
rescue me. No way have you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Been have you always been this kind of guy Sanjai
that the you know, absolutely absolutely the place the board.

Speaker 13 (01:03:40):
I was, I was. I was raising two kids at
that at that particular time where money was so damn scarce.
But whatever I got paid, I never even took a
single penny loan from the from from the banks or
from the where during during the COVID they were they
were actually offering all that all the all the sorts
of benefits you know, you take on three percent loan,

(01:04:01):
two person loan. I said, no, no way, I've got
this amount of money. I'm going to I'm going to
run my business. I'm going to design my own own product.
I designed my own own product and my own value.
I guess them, get them forged, I get them made
in China. I get them a picked up from there
and and and shipped and all that I do on
my on my own. I've created my own website. I

(01:04:24):
am what.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Are you bringing in?

Speaker 13 (01:04:27):
I am? I? I am the founder of a company
called Boat Rollers and Trailer Parts Limited. So if you
actually google it. You will, you will, you will actually
find me all over the place. It's called Boat Rollers
and Trailer Parts Limited. So I actually all those products
which are actually displayed that I've actually designed them, which
are not available anywhere in Australia. They are not available

(01:04:49):
anywhere in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Did got on you? Yeah? Fascinating business boat rollers and
Trailer Parts?

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Is that it?

Speaker 19 (01:04:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeap bang on both boat Rollers and Trailer Parts Limited.
And he's got a great email. But I'm fascinated that
he's designed all of those parts himself. He sells a
lot of products.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Here, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
You know, a few weeks ago we had Ryan Holiday on. Yes,
and he's a big proponent and him fat. He wrote
a book called The Obstacles Away. The stoic philosophy of
the obstacle is the way that you know whatever is
in front of you is your path. So instead of

(01:05:25):
going around and going I wish things were different, or
you know, what do I do next? What is even
from there? Just basically the difficult blocking the difficulty blocking
you becomes the very thing that helps you to succeed
because you at least know where you're going.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Yes, yeah, yeah, And it's a great philosophy. And I
imagine a lot of people like sun Jay business owners
have that philosophy, whether they know it or not. And
I would have thought, you know, as a business owner,
do you not put it everything you can into making
sure it stays aflow government or no government. You do
whatever you can to try and push through. And some businesses,

(01:06:02):
as we know, don't make it. Some managed to scrape by.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
But is it always perfect for everyone at all times?

Speaker 17 (01:06:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
I was looking to some people the other day that
ran a lot of businesses and they were talking about
the tough times and how it has been an incredible
advantage for working out exactly what works in their business,
you know, to just put the spotlight on efficiencies so
they're ready to fire when things become better. Right, So
that's you know, the obstacle shows you your weaknesses. Yes,

(01:06:31):
but yeah, I don't care. Shane says, he's an obstacle.
Is the way kind of guy. I don't care what
the government says or does. I just get on with
my business and make it work. This shame.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, keep those teaks coming through nine two nine to two.
There's a lot of techs coming through in this regard. So, okay, guys, Yes,
as a business owner, I'll do whatever I can to
make it work, and I don't need the government handouts.
What I do need is the settings right to allow
us to thrive. So what are those settings? There's a
few in that sort of that theme. What are the
settings as a business owner you need the government to
look at to absolutely thrive? Oh e one hundred and

(01:07:01):
eighty ten eighty sent number.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
This government is just as in the way as the last.
The only difference is the rhetoric coming out of their mouths.
The real problem is the government apartments that were filled
with Labor and Green Party members when Labor was in
the bastards are still slowing everything down and saying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
No, is that true? Nineteen ninety two is the text number.
It is nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Be sixteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Is a business owner, how much do you look to
the government to help you out in tough times? Just
on the back of Christopher Luckxon getting some pushback when
he said at a business chamber meeting and wrote to
Dolla that sometimes there is apparent child mentality of waiting
to see what the government would do when it comes
to business.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
So is he right or wrong? I eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Hi, guys, as a through a business person for twenty
five years. The problem around here is that after the
Left dropped all the North Isdland's homeless on our doorstep,
then through dollars at a willy nilly, and so many
local businesses were on the teat. Now that they have
been weaned by the Right, they know no longer have
the resilience to survive in the real world. That's an

(01:08:12):
interesting point, guys. Previous government have run away with from
the hundreds of businesses that have died, along with the
stress put on to those families by the biggest if
up in our lives, the CRL. Yeah I mean, but yeah,
I mean, I guess. The idea is that, you know,

(01:08:33):
the government's local and central government should improve the conditions
that it controls the best they can, right, Yeah, But
businesses have to aggressively adapt to whatever conditions they have
and cannot control.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Right That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Yeah, that's really what luxon saying that as the good.
It is the government's job to improve the conditions, but
the businesses have to adapt to the conditions that are there.
And there's lots of stuff the government can't control, and
there's lots of stuff that the businesses can't control.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Yeah, I mean, because you know, there was a text
and I've just lost it here, But talking about the
mental see that we've had over the last five years
when it comes to business, there was a lot of
money pumped into keeping every business afloat whether they were
going to make it or not.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
So they call them zombie businesses that were held up
by government subsidies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, So whether that mentality still exists that if you're
a business, you deserve to make it no matter what,
which isn't the way that you operate a business. You've
got to put in the hard yaka, you've got to
find your niche, you've got to do the hard graft
to make it. And not every business will, but maybe
there are many businesses out there saying by the very
fact that I've started this, the government needs to make
sure that I succeed. And maybe that's part of what

(01:09:42):
Luckson was talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Yes, in business, making sure that you succeed in the
environment exists against your competitors because you're all in the
same environment. Hey, guys, I agree with Luxeon entirely. We
are in business and it has been the toughest we
have ever known it, says Maggie. However, you just have
to put on your big girl pants and just get
on with it. Never give up. The media do always

(01:10:03):
hype stuff up and make more out of it than
it needs to be. Just get on with it. That's
what the negativity. Sarah, Welcome to the same How.

Speaker 9 (01:10:13):
Are you, Hi, Hi, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Thanks for calling.

Speaker 20 (01:10:17):
This is a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:10:17):
Different because I'm not actually a small business owner. I'm
a sole trader and I provide a service. And what
makes it difficult for me or stops me from really
wanting to thrive, is actually the gest threshold, because because
I'm such a small business, the jest threshold any takings
over sixty thousand dollars and you will have to pay

(01:10:39):
for steen percent jest, which is fine if you're selling
a product, but I'm not great if you provide a
service like a massage therapist or hairdress or beauty things
like that. And when they were when National was talking
about changing the tax brackets. Sort of before the last election,
I sort of had hope that they might increase the

(01:11:00):
gest threshold, just because it's really the small businesses like
myself that that suffer. And then I think, well, I've
got to earn ninety thousand dollars. Otherwise all I'm doing
is earn seventy is just paying extra and i'my as
well not so it sort of keeps me small. So
I know that's the wat to like small businesses, what

(01:11:20):
you're talking about, but it's still, you know, it doesn't
what makes me want to throw Really.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
What level do you think that should be changed to?

Speaker 9 (01:11:28):
Sarah, Well, I think because you know, if you if
you take it off seventy thousand dollars, then that puts
you back to sixty thousand dollars maybe somewhere that if
you took it off, it would be like an average wage,
right for a person who was employed. But I think
I think making it sixty make then you really earn
quite a little. And then you've got all your expenses

(01:11:50):
and you know, and you still sort of you still
sort of work sixty hours a week, and if you
if you put your classes up accordingly, you can't just
put them up by fifty percent because no one's going
to come get their hair done or no one's going
to They're going to go somewhere else. Yeah, so yes,
I mean I think if they if they could make
it sort of if they made it at the last

(01:12:11):
election when they were changing all those thresholds anyway, even
if they put it up to seventy, that would have
been awesome, you know, because also inflation, and they haven't
put it up for years at eshold years.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Yeah, right, Yeah, it's a good no, it's it's a
good point that governments always they don't like to, you know,
mess with their revenue, do they.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
No deliberately that creep that's obviously involved in your situation,
but just general income tax bracket creep works very well
for governments and they don't want to talk about it,
but they're getting more and more money because of that creep.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
And it's it's kind of a slightly too complicated thing
because you can just do tax cuts, but this is
quite a complicated thing that they'd have to explain, so
they may not get the political value out of it.
But you can see I can see your point entirely.
Thank you. So much for you call Sarah. A government
sits for three years, so if you want to get
out of the way, you need times. Is this text

(01:13:08):
that don't forget the government department employees are only just
now to get their head around being governed by the right.
This government passed the most laws under urgency because they
know they need to do unpopular things that are better
for the country. Give them another three years and you
will see the chain.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Okay, keep those texts coming through nine two nine two
and taking your thoughts on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So,
if you are a business owner, do you agree with
Christopher Luxen? Is there apparent child mentality for some businesses
looking for a bit of a handout or help? Or
do you think that is offensive as a business owner?

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
This text says Luxeon's probably right, but the trouble is
that he comes across as a condescending pray. I say, so,
you agree with the message, not the way it's delivered.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Yeah, interesting, right? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It is nine to three
after the break weather chat with Chris, and he's got
some tweaks that he thinks would help that is next.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
The issues that affect you and if it have fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 8 (01:14:10):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
It is seven to three quick techs here, good afternoon guys.
As a business owner in the construction sector, what we
need from the government is direction. Roads of significance are
an example of promising to put money in then blaming
the previous government for having no money to do so.
Some clear direction would be good. But extending the payback
to balance the books five or ten years and ejecting
some more money back into us that would make the

(01:14:33):
world of difference to our confidence. I don't think anybody
in our sector want to be giving getting anything from
the government. What we do want is clear direction that
gives us confidence.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
This is the more the lower the minimum lower the
minimum wage, the more businesses will start up. The more
businesses that are around gives work is more option and
power to fight for higher wages. He imagine the FARRUA
if Nationals suggested lowering the minimum wage.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Oh, it'd kill them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
That's great word, Chris, You've got some tweaks you reckon
would help.

Speaker 19 (01:15:08):
Firstly, I want to say done, Jay, great can we
well done him, and he's bitter with cancer and then
giving him to business. I love that to hear that
he progressed like sess stories are amazing. Well done him.
He's got to be your keevy of the week. Boys.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
What it's only Monday, but we'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
Yeah, he's in contention, Chris.

Speaker 19 (01:15:36):
Put him in contention. Chuck him up there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Someone might someone might solve cancer. Some key, we might
solve cancer on Wednesday, you know, curate potentially.

Speaker 19 (01:15:46):
Ye image, it would be nice. So my little blurb
about the what we need to do is have no
tax on any businesses earning under one hundred and fifty
thousand per years, and they get a GSD rebate for
the GST they've paid. That money goes into the free economy.

(01:16:11):
And when it goes into the free economy, it's not
spent by the government. It's spent by the people, and
that's what produces jobs. We need to get away from
this economy that's linked to government expenditure, to the free
spend of the will of the people.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
And so they would still they would still collect JST,
but they wouldn't pay it back.

Speaker 19 (01:16:35):
They would collect the JST. Then we give it back
and goes back to that business owner, so he might say, oh,
do you know what, I'm going to buy a boat,
and he buys a boat, and that boat shop has
sold a boat. And it's the Australian economy that does

(01:16:56):
so well compared to New Zealand because everything in New
Zealand is based around government expenditure and whatever we have
left we need to we need to sharpen up at
text talks, so we need to make the readaps better
for the person's heavy a go.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
It's interesting, Chris, though, do you think the mindset in
New Zealand from the electorate doesn't seem to be you know,
there's there's logic there, but it seems that any any
tax cuts are seen as almost evil by most of
the electorate. Okay, we've got to go, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Chris, thank you very much for your phone call. Interesting
idea and a very interesting chat. Thank you to everyone
who gave us a buds and takes thru coming up
after three o'clock. Do you know someone who hates holidays?
We'll tell you more about that very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Talk said me, very very good, Afternoons, you welcome back
into the show six past three.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
All right, this is going to be an interesting topic.
I believe I'm interested in it anyway. I one hundred
and eighty t in eighty. I heard this from Brian
Swain the other day and I felt heard, I want
to talk about people who hate holidays. This how okay,
The pressure that builds up getting everything sorted before you go,
the commitment to different things you have to do on holiday,

(01:18:25):
the travel, the disruption, the admin I want to hear.
I feel like I want to come out of someone
that kind of hates holidays. Okay, right, And this is
what Brian Swayin had to say about it.

Speaker 23 (01:18:38):
No, I feel like this is going to be a
hot take. But I honestly don't like vacationing anymore. I
don't know if it's because I'm getting old, but I
never sleep good when I'm not in my bed. I
don't enjoy the lifestyle of, you know, going out, socializing, drinking,
eating crappy.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
This isn't really my vibe anymore.

Speaker 23 (01:18:57):
And I think I've came to the conclusion that I
spent so much time and so much energy in building
a life that I didn't have to vacation from.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
That I think this is what finally has happened.

Speaker 23 (01:19:10):
And when I think about the times of my life
when I enjoyed vacationing the most, it's when I hated
my normal life the most, the job I was doing,
the lifestyle I was living. So I think I'm finally
at peace with just knowing vacationing isn't for me. And
the reason is because I did everything I could to
make sure that I designed a life I didn't have

(01:19:31):
to vacation from. And it all makes sense now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Wow, okay that last part, Yeah, very philosophical.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
Well, I love my house, I love my life.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Get a lovely sparple, I.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Enjoy my job. What do I need to holiday? And
I feel for tradees right, And you know having to
get all your jobs done so you go on holiday
and everything things that's a various length of time to
get done. So I think that's a huge, huge stress, right,
getting everything done and sorted, and you know job's going

(01:20:07):
over time, you know, bad weather or whatever. So actually
passing out a time to actually go on holiday can
be stressful for people. But travel stress. I mean, you know,
is it all the park and the airports?

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
You know, you're in a different beds.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
That guy said, you know, that's a big thing for
a lot of people, when you're in a foreign bed
and you can't sleep properly.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Actually, that's one thing I will say. Hotel beds are
generally fantastic, and bathrooms some beautiful beds, and you know,
other people deciding your schedule. Those things are punishing, right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
That is a big one. I mean, it depends on
the top. Look, I love a holiday. I absolutely adore
a holiday. Doesn't live up to my expectations hardly ever,
but I still live in hope. I still live in
hope that this next holiday that I've got coming up,
I am going to have the time of my life.
But there's small moments, small moments in the holiday that
I look back on and think, man, that was awesome.
And sometimes the things that have gone wrong and I

(01:21:04):
laugh about it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
What about the bombfire of cash?

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Yeah, holiday, you can't escape that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
So you just you know, when you're working, you're getting ahead,
when you're holiday and you're going backwards.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
That's right. Yeah, So what do you say on this?
I had one hundred eighty ten eighty. You've listened to
that bit of audio you've heard.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Matt, are you starting to consider maybe you do actually
hate holidays? The masks coming off now that you've tried
to make it work, but now it's just too much stress.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
I mean, is there anyone out there, ie one hundred
and eighty ten eighty that can defend holidays? Is there
anyone out there that can find anything positive to say
about vacationing? I'd be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
All right, come on through. Can you defend holidays? Or
are you with Matt's and the Brian Swain that you
hate holidays? Tell us I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
It's ten pass.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Three on news Talks'd be thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Past three if you come to the realization that you
probably don't like holidays that much. In fact, you might
even hate them.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
This Texas says, get our name out to your mouth.
Being a trader, I work six days, six days a
week and self employed holidays, I get to do whatever
I like. Yeah, I get that, but I understand the
pressure on parceling out that time out going on holiday.
So you've got to get everything done in time so
you can go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
And are you still stressing out while you're on holiday
thinking about the jobs that haven't quite been completed? Tell
us nine two ninety two is the text number get
a joke. Hello, Hi, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 17 (01:22:23):
Well, I'm happy if I never leave New Zealand again.
I think that I don't want to go and look
at things. I can see everything on YouTube and thanks
to all the immigrants in New Zealand, I can eat
my way around the world in Auckland. And why do
I need to go?

Speaker 24 (01:22:38):
Plus, I think that all these people.

Speaker 17 (01:22:40):
Going here going there, I mean it's so bad to
the climate.

Speaker 7 (01:22:43):
What do we need?

Speaker 17 (01:22:44):
You know, if I foreorried about being green, stop flying
to places just to look at it. You know, the
world doesn't need you to look at the pyramids. We
just don't need it, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:22:55):
What's the point?

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
Yeah, especially since most people that holiday now they're not
going there to see it. They're going there to be
in it so they can post on social media. What's
this there's a discussion of that kind of holiday.

Speaker 17 (01:23:10):
Yeah, and they're going to walk the Camino, Well walk
New Zealand. You know, it's much better. Just what do
you need to do all these things for like bucket list,
just enjoy, Like you say, I really like my life.
Why I can't take my cat with me? Why would
I want?

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Yeah, that's a big thing when you can't take the pet.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
But is it all part of you, Joe, that it
doesn't even have to be overseas, could be in New Zealand,
that you plan a little week away in somewhere you've
never been before and you know it's just going to
be about R and R, a good book, some good wine.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Is it not part of you that gets excited by that?

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:23:42):
Like I had two days recently in Talpo with friends
and we went mountain bike riding.

Speaker 7 (01:23:47):
But I don't drink.

Speaker 17 (01:23:48):
I like my bed. If I can take my car,
I wouldn't mind for a few days. But no, I don't.
I don't really want to be away. No happy happy
at home. I can't go to the gym if I
go away, I missed my classes. And you know, it's
just nice. I've got a nice life and.

Speaker 8 (01:24:04):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
What about their humiliating little gym they have in hotels
with about like the most pathetic weights you've ever seen,
and so many you know, treadmills. But anyway, they gyms
and hotels are terrible what I'm trying to say in
a roundabout.

Speaker 17 (01:24:22):
Way, And it wouldn't be with the people I go with,
and it wouldn't be with my trainer, and it just
wouldn't be right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Okay, good on you, Joe, Thank you very much.

Speaker 10 (01:24:32):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Nine two is the ticks. Some great tics coming through
this one says, get a guys. Yep, I'm not much
of a holiday person anymore. It's the really suitcase death
marches at the airport that'll still see it into my memory.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Yeah, I mean international travel is such a wound.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Nobody likes airports. I'll give you that. Yeah, I mean,
if you like an airport.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
What does it take so long just before you can
get on the plane? You have to be there so
far in advance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
It's a testing situation going to it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
Yeah, especially if you've you know, if you're flying somewhere
and I love going to the States, but by the
time you've landed and you've got on a domestic flight,
you know you have to be away for two weeks
before it's worth the travel.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call it.
Nine two nine two is the text.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Holidays, especially internationally, change your perspective, allow you to understand
other cultures, understand what poverty really is, and broaden your
horizons intellectually. The world is an amazing the divisive place.
Isn't healthy to be so small minded and not go anywhere? Yeah,
I mean I've been to a lot of third world
countries for work, and absolutely right. You do have a

(01:25:40):
new appreciation of New Zealand. You've spent a lot of
time in third world countries.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Yeah, So what do you say I one hundred eighty
ten eighty if you come to the realization that you
don't like holidays, or are you the opposite, try and
defend the benefits of a holiday, tell us nine two
nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
So text number at seventeen past three.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
Oh, there's a bit of pushback on Joe there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Thereas We'll get to some of that shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk said there's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Nineteen excuse me past three. So I have you decided
that you don't like holidays? This is on the back
of a video by an online influencer called Brian Swain.
But I think He made a pretty compelling point at
the ends that he doesn't like holidays because he's spent
so long creating the perfect life at home, so why
would he want to escape that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
The six is not surprised Joe as a cat lover.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Very good. Yeah, there's a bit of pushback on Joe.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
Tell you what, when you've got kids a skiing holiday?
The idea of a skiing holiday, when you've got kids
being holiday? That is hard? Yacka, that is hard. Well,
you'll never do harder work than taking a couple of
kids ski.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, absolutely, I saw it up close and personal. Down
on one Keiven.

Speaker 12 (01:26:56):
Good, good amend, Tyler, how are you good?

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
Mate?

Speaker 25 (01:27:00):
Hey, not too bad. I've been hearing some whop are
pretty year and the idea of a holiday. But for me,
the other haltway is to unplugged, unlined from from the
from the regulars of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
How quickly when you go on holiday? Can you can
you detach? Because I find when I go on holiday
it takes me quite a few days to wind down
from my other life before I can actually just start
enjoying holiday. How quickly can you detach? Kevin?

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
For me?

Speaker 25 (01:27:31):
Ever, smokey or in Australia in the Pacific probably can
be twenty four hours. It's like Europe States or Europe
the States or somewhere. I might take me a couple
of days of the jet leg and all that. Not that,
but for me, one of my also the one thing,
the one thing a lot of US travelers don't like
those those jabs that those are those house jabs.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
You need and.

Speaker 25 (01:27:55):
Visas, not your credit card, those visas to get in
and out of the country, especially if you're holding a
new Zonne passport. Yeah, that's my my biggest pet peeve
apart from accommodation, but also my one bucket list. My
one bucket might some on my bucket list. I would
love to visit the Kokoda Trail to do an actual
height in the Kokoda Trail and learn about the history

(01:28:15):
of the battle and of course the bombing of Darwin.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Oh wow, yeah, yeah, that'd be pretty interesting. So that so,
did they actually drop bombs on Darwin? I know the
planes flew over over top, but did they did they
get actually drop some bombs?

Speaker 8 (01:28:31):
Yep?

Speaker 25 (01:28:32):
There's a memorial plath in Darwin for the for the
Battle of Darwin. That's where for us kiw so it
would be the wild World War two. The Japanese we
came way too hairy for us. That's way too hairy.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, those those jabs are full on, mate.
When I went to India a couple of years ago,
I had to get so many jabs, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
How many? I've never had them?

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
And one of them, one of them had like it
was a jab, but then it had lots of jabs
all around it in a circle. It's full on, right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Thank If you call Kevin, yeah, thank you very much.
Are you with Kevin? I went one hundred and eighty
ten eighty guys.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
This is me. I hate leaving my dog. I love
my home. Don't want to do a long haul flight,
hussle about with luggage, passports, jet lag, constipation? Oh okay,
is that each time constantly with partner being constipated and
spending a lot of time with your partner no time
to self. Very stressful constipation.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Yeah, I mean said a big thing when you go travel,
is it? I mean I haven't experienced it myself.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
I've experienced the opposite traveling.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, this bit of that yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which isn't so funny either, Leslie, how
are you hey?

Speaker 24 (01:29:37):
Very well? Thank you boys?

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
How are you very good? So what's your thoughts?

Speaker 24 (01:29:42):
I have to disagree and agree with these guys. I
think it all depends on your situation. I'm in my
late fifties, a business owner that works twenty five twenty four.
I've just been on a four week trip to Kenya,
the trip of a lifetime, and I would do it
again tomorrow. It was absolutely amazing. Yes, it took me
thirty hours to get there, which gave me the time
to switch off from my business, but to go on

(01:30:04):
Forfari and the Mesi Mahra and be two neat the
way from elephants alive in well I'm sorry for Joe,
but it's it's not the same as going to the
Wellington Zoo.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
Did you shoot? Were you shooting them or were you
photography taking pictures?

Speaker 24 (01:30:17):
I was shooting them with my camera.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Yes, good, good, good, good, good good to you.

Speaker 24 (01:30:23):
Of yes, that makes you look at life differently. There's
five and a half million people in Nairobi, a million
people in slums. There's no benefit, there's no pension, but
you have the happiest people in the world and it
makes you grateful you have when you back home.

Speaker 13 (01:30:37):
Yeah, it really does.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
And about talking about your studio flight, how did you
how do you travel to get there? What are the
stop offs?

Speaker 24 (01:30:45):
What are the what are the It was Wellington, Auckland, Auckland, Dubai,
du Via Nairobi. The second for the first part is
the longest leg. But you just get yesterday, you put
the movies on, you put your ear plugs in, and
off you go to go out. As I say in
the mess, I may and do all sorts of other things.
And but if you forget about the flight, how.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
Much planning did you have to do for this this trip, Leslie?
It sounds like a trip of a lifetime? Did you?
Was there a lot of Admond in advance?

Speaker 13 (01:31:14):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
And no.

Speaker 24 (01:31:15):
I went with a group of eight people, and I
booked the trip last July. I saw it advertised for
a friend of a friend booked it pecked at and
off a week. So I had to wait because it
was the longest part was waiting for nine months to go.
But the the you know, the visas and injections and
all that kind of stuff was easy.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Yeah. And so what was it like re rejoining everyday life?
Back here in New Zealand when you got home.

Speaker 24 (01:31:41):
It's hard. I've been back a week and twenty four
to seven. But it gave me realize that I don't
need to turn my computer on at eight o'clock in
the morning. I can start at ten, and I can
switch off the lunch and all of those little things
that make you really really grateful for what you've got.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
It's beautifully said.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
I mean, it's kind of had to argue with your
point here, Leslie.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
I mean, yeah, gone to Yeah, you'll have a holiday.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
That the point. I hate holidays. It sounds like you've
had a pretty I mean as yours, a holiday or
more an adventure, an experience, an intrepid journeys as it were, Leslie.
As opposed as opposed to you know, going lying on
a beach or or you know, sunning yourself at a resort,
if you've had a life changing experience, it's slightly different.

Speaker 13 (01:32:23):
I'd say, yes it is, but it was.

Speaker 24 (01:32:26):
I mean, I could say it was the first holiday
I've had in seven and a half years, so it
was an adventure. It was a bucket list. As I
said to you right at the start, I think it
depends on your circumstances. I'm a I couldn't think of
anything worse than sitting on a beach reading a book.
And you know you can do that at home. I
can lie on accounts and read a book. I can
lie on and read a book. That's not what I'm into.

(01:32:47):
I'm not one of these travelers that go back to
CG year after year. If I'm going to go somewhere
in the world, I want to see it. I want
to experience culture than the way people are in the
way they live.

Speaker 8 (01:32:55):
And that's what it did.

Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
Any here, any heary moments when you're over there on
that on this intrepid journey, Leslie, was it You're safe
the whole time?

Speaker 24 (01:33:04):
Yes, absolutely safe. We were on the Simris for nearly
to hours and saw leopards, lions, cheats, elephants a meter
to two meters away and no danger at all, and
the hardest.

Speaker 13 (01:33:16):
Singers leaving them well.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Nice beads and accommodation.

Speaker 24 (01:33:20):
Yeah, absolutely, very upmarket accommodation considering how some people lived.
We were really really lucky. We slept in kents, you know,
like tenths that were you know, mosquito nets and hippos
and crocodiles in the river just below, but we went
scared at all.

Speaker 13 (01:33:36):
It was twenty perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Good on you. Look it's hard to push back on that,
and it does sound a little bit late lame going.
You know, I can't bother the edmund. I just want
to be comfort at home compared to the memories that
you've made for the rest of your life on this
particular trip. Yes, so good on your Leslie.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Yeah, thank you very much. I went under at eighty
ten eighty. I mean, is there a difference there between
an adventure that Leslie has gone on and it sounded
pretty intrepid versus your run on the mill beach holidays.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
Yeah, I mean, this is this texta here sums of up, guys.
There are two types of vacations, exploring the world not relaxing,
and escaping the winter to lie on a tropical island
very relaxing. People need to choose the goal and then
book that cat into his own hotel. He will love it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Keep those teas coming through ninet two ninety two. Right,
we've got the headlines coming up. But want to hear
from you. I on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you realize that you're not much of a fan
of holidays, or if you're the reverse and you'll knee
deep into your holiday fascination, can you hear from you
as well?

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
So I think this has pointed out what I actually
mean is I don't like relaxing. So if the holiday
is intense and there's a lot going on.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Yep, great, you're all about it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
If there's any sunbathing involved, or sitting by the pool
or any or staying in the same place, I don't
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
I can see that right. It is twenty eight past three.
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?
Headlines with Raylen coming up?

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Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Thank you very much for ray lenz or vas A question,
have you realized that you hate holidays?

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty and nineteen nine two
is a.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
Text as a quick aside, Yes, Matt. The Japanese undertook
a major bombing campaign against Darwin and some of the
other towns in the Northern territories of Australia. Many civilians
in Darwin were killed was kept somewhere from the rest
of Australia and New Zealand until the war for morale purposes.
It was a defining attack that shaped Australian foreign and
defensive policy ever since.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
David fascinating had no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
Yeah, I did not know. I knew that there were,
you know, the planes flying over ahead, but I didn't
know they actually bombed. That's that's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Yeah, pretty fall on part of history.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
I mean, Darwin's a long way away from New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (01:36:53):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
Yep, there were subs in our harbors though, wasn't there
There was a submarine and a Japanese submarine Littleton. I
think maybe I know that there was one in by Plenty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I keep those thaks coming through nine
two nine two. But the reason we're talking about this
is on the back of this from Brian Swain on Instagram.

Speaker 23 (01:37:16):
No, I feel like this is going to be a
hot take, but I honestly don't like vacationing anymore. I
don't know if it's because I'm getting old, but I
never sleep good when I'm not in my bed. I
don't enjoy the lifestyle of you know, going out socializing, drinking,
eating crappy just isn't really my vibe anymore. And I
think I've came to the conclusion that I spent so

(01:37:38):
much time and so much energy in building a life
that I didn't have to vacation from that I think
this is what finally has happened.

Speaker 5 (01:37:48):
And when I think about.

Speaker 23 (01:37:48):
The times of my life when I enjoyed vacationing the most,
it's when I hated my normal life the most, the
job I was doing, the lifestyle I was living. So
I think I'm finally at peace with just knowing vacationing
isn't for me, and the reason is because I did
everything I could to make sure that I designed a
life I didn't have to vacation from.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
And it all makes sense now.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
Don't sleep well? He said, I don't sleep good? Yes,
I don't sleep well. Good to Brian on that, Brian Swain,
you mup it. You know, speak good, speak good English.
You may not like holidays, but you shouldn't take a
holiday from speaking good English. Yeah, speaking English well pronunciation

(01:38:32):
unlike previous callers is Paula. I do go on holiday
to Raratonga every year to relax and swim. Read my
book My business's busiest time is the New Zealand summer,
so I never get to enjoy it. Then every second
year I also go on and adventure and discover new places.
Good on you, Paula. Here's the other perspective, afternoon lads.
Here is my problem. My wife is more than happy

(01:38:55):
to go on line on a beach. I can do
that for about five minutes on the same I'm planning
my next holiday around the tornado season, as I want
to go and chase the tornadoes and tornado Ali. Now
that's a cool holiday, something my wife has absolutely no
wish to do, So it looks like we'll be doing
separate holiday's next round. That's right, it's not so ide.
I wanted to go on this cruise that followed Shackleton's

(01:39:16):
journey sounds amazing and visited Shackleton's heart yep, and see
all the stuff that Sheckleton did. I suggest that to
my lovely partner Tracy. That's absolute nightmare for her. Why
because she wants to spend her time on holiday lying
around sipping pinacle artas beside a pool or by the beach.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Does she know what Sheckleton went through? I mean, she
just watched some documentaries to see how incredible it is.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
I was building the Endurance the other day. Yeah, and
it's on display, the Endurance in our house. And I'll
tell you what I told her, the entire duration of
building the Endurance, what he went through, and what he
did for his crew and the most incredible journey of
all time. And I've made her watch multiple documentaries and

(01:40:02):
her point is it'll be freezing cold and horrible. And
the whole point of that story, the ship was called
Endurance the story because it was a horrible time.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
I see where she's coming from now. Actually it's a
fair point. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to
call if you hate the holidays or you love them?

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Tell us, Dave, what do you think?

Speaker 22 (01:40:21):
Before I get on about what Joe said? The guy
that's started at all with his comments, don't forget he's
head his holidays. True, Yeah, he's been there, he's done it,
being near seen it and donner. And once you've done that,
fine if you want to. If you don't want to
do it again, and you've built yourself for last old great,
get over yourself though, because other people might want to
go out there now, Joe, you missed the biggest point

(01:40:46):
about COVID and the biggest lesson we should have learned.
New Zealand can't do without international tourists. We don't get
the restaurants we want, we don't get the hotels we want.
And what do you do with one hundred and fourteen
thousand people that are directly involved in the tourism industry
and the two hundred and five thousand indirectly involved tourism.

(01:41:09):
Where do they go and work? Yeah, get off your
high horse. Don't worry about the environment. The environment will
look after itself.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
Leave it behind.

Speaker 22 (01:41:17):
Look after the environment out there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
I'll tell you what, Dave though, if we really wanted
to pump up our economy, if we were really focused
on that, we'd get all the tourists coming in. But
then we would holiday here as well. So what happens
is that we earn a lot of money here, we
go over to the Goldie, we go over to Europe,
where we go, we go to the islands, and we
pump all our money out of the country. Right, So

(01:41:41):
can you imagine a situation we all agree for five
years to just holiday at home. How wealthy the nation
would be?

Speaker 22 (01:41:48):
Well, I've got five children. They're all adults.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
Now, impressive.

Speaker 22 (01:41:52):
When they were younger, we only only holiday in New
Zealand and there's not a town, a city, or a
country or a beach that we didn't go to. And
the eighteen years they were all growing up.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
Good on you.

Speaker 22 (01:42:04):
Now, my wife and I when we want to go
on holdays, we'll go over seas we want to and
we don't worry about whether the aircraft. You always using
the environment. That cat is probably shitting more out and
doing worse for the environment than my airplane ride will
be doing. I can tell you that much.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
Yeah, I don't know what what she's feeding.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
There are the environmental the carbon footprint of having a pit.
I don't know if I was coming at the back
end of your cat than coming out of the back
end of an aircraft. I haven't got the science on
that day. But I take your points before you go, Dave.
You know, as you travel around for those eighteen years

(01:42:41):
to five kids, what what would you say is you
know some of the highlights of places to visit in
New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (01:42:49):
Bad of Islands I think, and of all of the kids,
the holiday to the Bay of Islands, and we're from
we're from Crushes. The holiday to the Bad of Islands
is the one all of them talked fondly about.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Pretty hip up there. Ye, kitty, kitty, did you get
out on the boat.

Speaker 22 (01:43:04):
We went out over the boat and across, you know,
and there was just the hard canoes and we had
multiple kids and different canoes with mum and dad and
they just had a ball. And it's the one they
always refer back to. And now that they've got kids
with their own, yes, where they go. They're not going

(01:43:24):
to the Gold Case. I'm not going to Japan. They're
going around to Zeland and they go to Last year
they went to Bad violence on you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Yeah, I'm all about topaul I reckon. That's that's you know.
What is that all these people are texting that old
ad that said don't leave town until you've seen the country, yes,
which basically meant, you know, there's all these places overseas,
but until you've seen all the places in New Zealand.
I actually had this realization when I was watching the Supercars,

(01:43:54):
because there's no ifing on and so I've.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
You need something else.

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
I've always watched bathists and such, but I've decided I'm
going to get really into the supercars and fantastic over
the weekend in Perth. Phenomenal, pain, incredible. Yeah, it was
just such a great, great ex experience watching Supercar. You're
in now, I'm in now Yeah, and then I'm like
Topor christ Church, Yep, Supercar, bring it on. Yeah, I
mean Topor Is People call it the Queens Center on

(01:44:20):
the North Island, which I think is pretty apt. It
is a beautiful, beautiful part of the country. Hey, can
I just run past something to you? Matt Heathan also
to our listeners talking about this holiday discussion, it just
made me think of something I saw online. So it's
one of those triangles where you can only ever pick
two of the three things on offer. Right, So when
it comes to a holiday, here it is you can

(01:44:41):
have a budget holiday, memorable trip, and no stress, but
you can never have all three, so you can't say
it again. So budget, memorable trip, no stress. I'm going
to run you through those options. So you can have
a budget, no stress holiday, but it's not going to
be memorable. You can have a budget and memorable trip,
but it's going to be stressful as all hell. You

(01:45:01):
can have no stress and a memorable trip. But it
will never be budget that will cost you the earth. See,
I think that's load of rubbish. I reckon every year
I go up and stay with my mates up in
Oakuda at their at their batch.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Right is that budget yep, yep, no stress, zero stress. Okay, Well,
because your mates are sorted in everything out, they've done
the Edmond.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
Yeah there, and they're very fun people to hang out with.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
And memorable trip, always memorable Okay, although I always missed
the whales. I arrived half an hour after a walker
came through, so that made it. But it's always memorable.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
Well, just like that, you've beaten the system instantly.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:45:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
Other holidays I go to stay with my mother and
Laura and Topau.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
Again budget, all three of those things, yep. No streets
and memorable.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
That involves mooching of someone else, all.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
Part of it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
So have you realized that you're not a big fan
of holidays or are you the opposite? There'd say you're
a massive fan and we'd love to hear from you
on Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty or nine
two nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
This is this text from Gen. Will you guys listen
to yourself pathetic critical about talking properly? Gen, it's critical
about talking properly A good sentence.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
I don't know if she's quiteulated that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Will you guys listen to yourselves pathetic? I think you
need to say you are being critical about people talk
talking properly. I think Gun you need to work on
your your control of the English language.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Yeah, yes, back on that. Yeah, I think there's a
week to do there. But thank you very much for
your techs. Keep them coming through nine two nine two
and taking your calls. Oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty, it's eighteen to four.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Don't leave home until you've seen the country. That's what
it is. Yeah, good tag line that, Yeah, I think
that's what it is, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons news Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
Be quarter to four.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Have you decided you're not a big fan of holidays anymore?
Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty. If you're all
for them, tell us nine two nine two is the
text number plenty of techs coming through this one says okaday, guys,
my band became rather successful overseas. How good hardly a
holiday on tour. But after weeks of every night being
like a Friday night for weeks on end and hours
of driving since that, I gave up and.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
I now live on a farm. I've only been on
a motorway once a year.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
I think it's funny. I was talking about speaking properly
and everyone's pointing out it's properly, not properly. I don't
have time, too busy to say exactly three syllables to
get if I can get across with properly, Yeah, properly.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
We've only got so much air time here. You can't
be mucking around with syllables that you don't need. You
got what he would saying, time is money, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Yeah, the amount of the productivity I've gained for the
country by saying properly instead of properly and properly you know,
and productivity is important.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
It certainly is. Maria.

Speaker 26 (01:47:40):
Hello all, I'm from Liverpool. I definitely don't talk.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Proper You're good on you and I'm proud of it.
Yeah too, right too, right now, you want to have
a chat about holidays.

Speaker 26 (01:47:56):
Well, yes, I just think, yeah, it's super important to
get away from every day life. And I mean I
am from England and I have two daughters in England,
so it's important for me to get back there. But
when we go back, you know, we have a great
holiday as well as you know visiting and it's fantastic.
And yeah it's a hassle, you know, I worked for

(01:48:18):
myself organizing right and everything, but yeah, god it's worth it.
And this year, well the first time going to Raratonga
in October and I can't wait. Yeah, and I found
COVID very difficult, and yes i went. I saw so
much more of New Zealand than I ever have done.

(01:48:39):
But now it's nice to get away again. You can't
just stay in a little old New Zealand. Well I
don't think you can.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
What were they when you were traveling around New Zealand?
What were your favorite parts?

Speaker 26 (01:48:52):
And day of Island? I'm agreeing with whoever said that,
absolutely loves the day of Ireland. So it's saw a
lot more of the South Island in twenty twenty and
twenty one. So we went, you know, took the car
down and so drove down the first time I've been

(01:49:12):
to Timaru before, I've been to Clastias and Timor. But
we went right through a Maru through the Catlands and
then across to Queenstown. And the second the second and
another time we did the West Coast. So I did
the West Coast for the first time and I absolutely
loved it there.

Speaker 17 (01:49:28):
That's all much.

Speaker 26 (01:49:30):
You know, You've got to organize your life to go
on a holiday anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
That's right, yeah, exactly, And.

Speaker 26 (01:49:36):
So not just going even not just going to Talpo.
You've got to organize your license.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
There's a lot of Edmunds for Topa, isn't there.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
So when when I go down to Topora, there's so
little edmund. I always talk about taking a big suitcase,
which means you make no decisions, you just throw absolutely
everything in that you might possibly lose the use. So
a big suitcase just a stupid suitcase. And whenever we
arrived down there were tracing our unloads so much from

(01:50:04):
the guard just because we've we've we've packed five minutes
before we leave.

Speaker 26 (01:50:08):
Yeah, yeah, well that's yes. If you're doing a big
old sea trip, you've got to think a bit more.
What you're taking and I do. I've never got very
good at packing the right amount of stuff. I always
take too much. I'm going again, I hope next year.
And yes, I'm determined to take a smaller suitcase. And

(01:50:29):
if I'm with my husband, you know, he looks half
off for suitcases. But if it's me on my own
go to see the daughters, yeah, I'm going to have
to pack lights. But still it's just I would say,
I'm trying to think of a phrase. If somebody told
me holidays replace what's more everyday life takes away from you,
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Yeah, Maria, thank you very much for giving us a call.
Really appreciate it. A couple of teaks coming through. But
let's have a quick ship with James, can I James here?

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Are you very good? What are you reackon?

Speaker 16 (01:51:02):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:51:02):
Put a boat?

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Mm hmm. In terms of saying New Zealand in the world, yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:51:08):
So life. You and I we said to save our
pennies and try and do an overseas trip every so
a couple of years, yep. And in between that we
take the camp a van and see the see New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
How long were in the camp of van for.

Speaker 20 (01:51:24):
Normally you sort of week ten days. Oh yeah, and
we try and try and do sort of an early
summer and then late summer.

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
And how often do you get away for a holiday James?
Is this a regular thing?

Speaker 20 (01:51:34):
Yeah, probably three times a year.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
It's not too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
So clearly you're a lover of the holidays rather than
come to the realization that life is better at home.

Speaker 20 (01:51:43):
Oh you have love home homes Sanctuary. It's a beautiful
place but also really good to get out and see
other parts of New Zealand. And the other thing is
that the wife runs and I ski, So I have
a little saying. If it ain'ts known, I ain't going.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Then they's the key to success James. You know, if
it's an activity one of you isn't into. Just to
your own activities.

Speaker 20 (01:52:07):
Yeah, we've found if you go to the European ski
Resorts in April, which is the High Ones this he's
a really good running trails open. So wife, you can
get out here and have a stomp around and I'll
go and have some ski runs.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
How good, James, thank you very much for giving us
a call. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
I find that's interesting. Just a gay lads just out
of interest Japanese sun breeze during World War Two in
New Zealand. There's a few, including operations observed Wellington's vital
shipping lanes that remained a target for strategic reconnaissance the
L ten Patrol. On February sixteenth, ninety forty three, a
large Japanese submarine, the L ten, arrived off Wellington to

(01:52:45):
scout the area for alloyed shipping movements are out? Isn't
that weird? So there's you know, it just shows how
isolated we are. A we're surprised that there was any
hostile movement in our waters.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Yeah, it didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
Was it a U boat? Was it a Japanese that
milk the cows near in the Bay of Plenty?

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
I haven't heard that story. I need to know more.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
Yeah, it was a U boat. They got off and
they had to milk cows because you know, they couldn't
go home, right, So these U boats when the war
was lost, they were just floating around the tow it
to feed themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Yeah, fascinating story. I one hundred and eighty ten eighty
or nine two nine too. If you know more about
that story, quickticks to you get a Matt, I feel you.
I'm a self employed tradey love traveling. However, I just
started a house built and was which was held up,
so started late, got the floor down and the frames up,
but shortly hitting off to Peru, so I have to
put the house on hold. I'll be very stressed knowing
that when I get back I'll have to quickly get

(01:53:38):
the roof on before the floor expires from being.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Exposed for too long.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
I mean, if you're stressed out on holiday.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
Hi, guys, I can't believe that woman saying, why go
on holiday? You can see everything on the internet. How
small mined is she? Has got it for claimed that
you don't need to go anywhere because you could just
look at it on new chair. That's like saying you
don't need to play sport, you can just read about it.
How small mined is she. I'm recently back from my
fourth trip to Europe, and being there and seeing and

(01:54:06):
absorbing the atmosphere is amazing. You can't possibly understand the
beauty and amazing grandeur of the Sagrada Familiar without being there.
I never knew how big the Eiffel Tower is until
I stood below it. I have never seen a Lakers
beautiful and as Threen as Lake bled and Slovenia. Don't
knock it if you haven't done it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
Cheers, Robin beautifully SAIDs right, keep those teas coming through
ninety nine two?

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
Is that number back in a moment? Is seven to four?

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
It be.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
News talks, it be. It is five to four.

Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
All right, that's the end of the show. Thank you
so much for listening, and thank you so much for
all your calls and texts Here the Duplace Allen Drive
is up next with Andrew Dickens filling in and after
four pm constitutional law expert on a record number of
bills being passed under urgency this term. At what point
are you denying the public the right to weigh in

(01:55:07):
on legislation? But right now, Tyler, why am I playing
this two thousand and eight banger from the British rock
band Coldplay.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Viva Levida. I've got no idea why you're playing it.
I know it will be some sort of secure reference
to some lyric in there.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Why are you're playing at Marheath.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
Because the Migrant Workers Association of aetiero I performed a
mock beheading of whin Ston Peter's over the weekend, evoking
the French Revolution, and this song contains historical references to
King Louis the sixteenth and the French Revolution No I
never knew, including revolutionaries. Wake for my Head on a
silver plate.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
Nice. Yeah, what a tune.

Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
It's great, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
Historical?

Speaker 4 (01:55:53):
All Right? You see busy? So we'll let you go
I mad Heath. That's Tyler Adams over there, and we'll
be back live on your radio Monday afternoon. Until then,
give me a taste of Kiwi.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
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