Full Show Podcast: 03 July 2026

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Wow, the fifth of World Cup just continues being exciting.
What a treat to be, you know, to be operating
during World Cup times.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh, it's great for us, isn't it. So there's been
drama in the Portugal versus Croa our Croatia match. They
are at overtime fifteen minutes at this stage.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Sixteen minutes forty four overtime.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Sixteen minutes. But it looked like Croatia we're about to equalize,
to have two goals each, but unfortunately the Croatian player
was offside, so it hasn't been allowed. I mean, Ronaldo
couldn't be happier. He was crying at one point, and
he was jumping and cheering, and he looks like a
very happy man as he would.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, it's I'll tell you what. It's trying to explain
the football offside rules to someone that doesn't really follow
the game complicated. I was trying to explain it to
my partner Tracy, who mainly just watches league. Yep, that's
really her sport, watching the Warriors sit. I mean, there
was just no way. This is no way I could

(01:33):
get her to understand offside and that particular ruling there
would take you a long long time to explain to
people that don't follow football.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, a lot in it, but man, what drama. And
it's going to continue. I think love it. I think
England versus Mexico on Sunday that's going to be a
massive match. And we are down to kind of the
pointing in now, So bring it on right into this topic.
This is going to be a great discussion. So instead
of avoiding homes at risk of flood, house hunters are

(02:03):
snapping them up at a discount. This is according to
new data from Cotality, but the head of that data,
Craig darg Urch, He says that they were greatly concerned
so that people at the lower end of the market
appeared to be trading off risk against affordability. A lot
of buyers, though, and also those in the property industry,

(02:23):
say that the flood risk was just one of many
factors to weigh up for potential buyers. Many of them
say the flood zone property could still be absolutely a
safe purchase with the correct due diligence. In Auckland alone,
these flood zone houses attracted a seventy thousand to one
hundred thousand dollars discount. Yes, So the question is would

(02:47):
you buy in a flood zone if it saved you
one hundred thousand dollars? You go, I'll take the risk
because the smart buy or are you just rolling the
dice of life? I mean, we do live in incredibly
safety of seft times. We do so, and a lot
of people have been texting this in and saying the
flood zones are are very liberally applied and you didn't

(03:11):
you experience that when you're in a flood zone with
your house in christ Church. We purchased one so down
in christ Church we're pretty close to the beach. When
I say pretty close for about six k away and
not that close. But then when we purchased the house
and we started to sort out the insurance isachuy. While
we were purchasing it, the insurer, the first insurer came
back and said, we can't ensure you because you're in
a flood zone. And the flood zone aspect was one

(03:33):
in fifty year events. That's where we were at. And
so we went to a broker and said, hang on,
you know, can you find us an insurer that's going
to insure it us. They said, no problem. That insurer
in particular is a bit funny around risk and they
found us the second option easy as but we are six.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Kind of budget backgroom insurance coming.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Probably it's working out so far, hopefully. But the deal
was this is why we were in the flood zone
as they were worried about tsunami risks. So tsunami the
potential of a tsunami hitting New Brighton and then starting
to wash towards our.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Street, and it isn't your house about ten k in
from the beach, six k six k even from the beach.
And this is why we thought it was was ludicrous
that it's a one in fifty year event. It was
basically a new build. It was about four years old.
They've done all the drainage, a whole bunch of work
had happened on the street after the earthquakes and did
we get a discount? Yeah, I think we did actually
in the end, because that part of christ Church, most

(04:26):
first time buyers wouldn't look at because they thought one
on a fifty year event, we can't afford that. But
our house has been sweet as we've been in there
ten years, no, eight years now and nothing. Well, you're
already weighing up a lot of things when you buy
a house, aren't you. We've seen you being there hell
on eight yes, and there's been no flooding, no mummy snow. Yeah.

(04:47):
I mean you're weighing up a lot of things, aren't you.
You're buying house, isn't It's just another one of those things.
The house is never perfect. Maybe you want it to
be in a particular school zone, you might have to
pay more for that. But you move into a particular
school zone, but the house is in the flood zone,
and you go, well, I'll take the risk for the
good of my children. Yeah. And you might go, well,
look it's a one in fifty year one one hundred. Yeah,

(05:08):
we're only going to be here five years. Let's go
for it.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Let's roll the dice. Yeah, what do you say? I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty would you buy a home
in a flood risk area for one hundred thousand dollar discount?
And if you've done just that, tell us your story.
Nine two ninety two is the text number is, Well,
we'll get to some of those shortly. It is eleven
past one.

Speaker 2 (05:28):

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons, U storksb.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Newstalks thereb it is fourteen past one. So it turns
out there's a whole bunch of home buyers who are
looking at flood zoned properties and snapping them up for
up to one hundred thousand dollars discounts. So if that's you,
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty, or would you for
that sort of discount? Roll the dice on a flood
zoned property with.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
A text of crisis? How does it work with insurance?
High premium? So in your case, sure wouldn't ensure it
at all?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
The first one said no. Then we had to go
through a broker because I realized we might be in
trouble here. And then the broker managed to find and
ensure who was willing to take that risk. But in
terms of premiums. I don't think we were. It wasn't
that high. It wasn't a hell of a lot higher
than the first one.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Scott, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Hello, how are you?

Speaker 6 (06:19):
It's me?

Speaker 4 (06:20):
I guess that is it sounds like you.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Look yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Look flood risk. Look,
I've been doing what I'm doing. This is my forty
fourth year in Auckland and I get involved in flood
risk properties all the time. Two words flood risk. It
doesn't mean a lot to some people, but it does
mean a lot when it comes to paying out money
out of your wallet. There are flood risk properties where

(06:47):
it could be as simple as lets just raise the
house half a meter above the flood risk plane. That
means they need to have a design, a stillwater type
of design for it. If you've got a concrete slab property,
a bit difficult to lift that up because it's got
a concrete floor. But the flood risk doesn't just cover
a house and be lifted up out of the way.

(07:12):
I had a client just before COVID who bought a
property it was not in a flood risk subdivideable wants
to build two new houses on it. I did my
feasibility study on it and contacted council and they came
back and said to me, well, while the property isn't

(07:32):
in the flood risk zone, the actual infrastructure for the
storm water is over capacity and if they want to subdivide,
they need to contribute and hold your breath. Seven hundred
and fifty thousand dollars whoa Okay? Now, that completely blew
And so that made them believe understand that they bought

(07:55):
a house and just live in it with their children
and move it on and get out of it. And
that was the first one that I had and then
over the last few years I've discovered others and comes
down to I'm specifically talking about Auckland, Okay. So Ugland
Council have issues with their infrastructure and when it comes

(08:19):
to a place where the storm water is over capacity,
it floods properties out and they all of a sudden,
unbeknownst to the current owners at the time, they now
become a flood risk property. That's just one area. There's
many areas that term due diligence gets banded around amongst people,

(08:42):
you know, having a bear with your mates down at
the pub and you're good my due diligence. Yeah, but
who did you do it with? Are you dealing with
professional people or have you just kind of gone and
tried to, you know, have a look. I had a look, mate,
and it looked good to me at the time. Because
what we're learning now, waterfront properties close to the water's edge,

(09:07):
some ensures day won't ensure them because of they're talking
about rising sea levels. I'm pretty sure that will go away.
But there is a flood risk where Why would they
ensure a property which, especially particularly where I live as
has already had known floods. And we're talking about waterfront properties.

(09:31):
I'm specifically talking about Mangoo Bridge waterfront properties that are
one and two million dollar properties that have already experienced floods.
Why would an insurance company want to ensure them when
it's a known flood risk property And they weren't all
no one on the maps with Council Gem maps I'm

(09:53):
talking about specifically, they weren't actually labeled as specific flood
risk properties, but they actually are. What do you do?
These people are duck right, I know them. They're stuck
doing something and a little you know, do you know,
like if you go back to the earthquakes and Christes

(10:15):
and I'm originally from christ Urge. Some people could reinsure
their house well it's a non earthquake area. But insurance
companies have what they call reinsurers and they insurance companies
are insured too. So when the reinsurer won't ensure the
insurance company. And this comes down to flood risk properties

(10:37):
today and I'm specifically talking about Auckland and I know
it's all over the place. Why would they ensure a
property with a known risk? Why would you do that?
That's a bad business decision, isn't it a council?

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Flood risk designs realistic or overly cautious in your opinion, Scott.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
I think they do do studies. They do pay people,
professional people to design flood risk heights for flaw levels,
similar to stormwater overland flow paths. Somebody has got to
determine a geodetic floor height based on basic surveying in

(11:18):
New Zealand, which has been around for donkeys years, you know,
like one hundred years. But times are changing and where
the patents are changing. I'm not a big global warming
theorist at all, but patterns have changed, resulting in what

(11:38):
we're assumed to be the one hundred year flood. Some
engineers have spoken to us saying, hey, we should be
looking at a five hundred year type flood because some
of the areas that we were classifying as a one
hundred year flood have already been superseded physically and we're
witnessing it and we're watching on the TV. So what

(12:00):
does that mean to people who want to invest in
a property. You get one hundred thousand dollars off a
property today that you could buy, and it turns around
when you actually want to do something with it, and
somebody said, well, actually I want four hundred k. Where
are you now?

Speaker 4 (12:18):
You talked about lifting houses? Is there real affordable options
like walls, dikes, I don't know, drainage that people. You know,
you move into a flood zone and you can mitigate
the risks.

Speaker 7 (12:29):
So that's a good question. I have a sister in
law in Brisbane. She contacted my wife and said we
want to do an alteration to her house, but her
house has been deemed as being in a flood zone.
And my wife said to me, well what do you

(12:50):
think she should do? And I thought, well, firstly, I
don't even want to have anything to do with it
because it's Australia. But if I was going to spend
any money at all, I would lift the house the
seven hundred milimeters accouncil we're suggesting. She decided not to
do that, and they spent one hundred thousand dollars doing

(13:11):
a renovation and it got flooded about a year later.
So when my wife's telling me, you know, this is
what's just happened, and I'm like, well, what am I
meant to say? You know, you're asking me, as a professional,
what would I do? The best spend is get the
house out of the flood risk area.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
So listing a house seven hundred millimeters is better than
building a one meter high dike or whatever.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
Well, a dike is a temporary measure, isn't it, Because
if the water ever gets above that or there's a
break in your dike, what's the dike? Anyway, you have
to have a driveway, and then in this case with
my sister in law, they need to drive under the house,
so there's going to be a break. It's as simple
as get the house to a level which is out

(14:01):
of the flood risk and then do whatever you want
to it later. Unfortunately for my sister in law, she
didn't do that. And I'm not that person who's going
to say I told you.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm not told you.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
I told you.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
Yeah, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. But
it is like that, I told you so. And I
have experience in this area. I'm sixty years old. I've
been doing this sort of work since i was seventeen,
working with consulting engineers and surveys. I've been around the

(14:37):
block a few times, okay, and I've watched this stuff happen.
I advise my clients and ninety nine percent of my
clients listen and they have a happy outcome. There are
just some people out there who go bullheaded into it
like a bullet the gate and go, well, I've already
done my due diligence. My mate said this, and my

(14:57):
cousin said that whatever, and then next thing and I'm
hearing from them, you know, something really bad happened, and
I'm like, well, I can't help you.

Speaker 8 (15:06):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
And one of those people was his sister in law.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
That is tough for the sister in law. Scott, thank
you very much for your expertise. So what do you
reckon you've heard from Scott. Would you still purchase a
flood zone property if you've got a discount of one
hundred thousand dollars? A lot of people are, and it
seems that the value of those properties are rising faster
than unaffected properties. So what do you say?

Speaker 4 (15:26):
I'd be straight on the phone what I told you?

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Speaker 4 (16:16):
There'd be would you buy a home and a flood
risk area for one hundred thousand dollars discounts? A question
I should have asked Scott for was how much does
it cost to liver a lift a house up seven
hundred and fifty mils for me to get yourself out
of the flood.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Can't be cheap. Surely it can't be cheap.

Speaker 11 (16:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
One hundred and eighteen eighty Colleen, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 12 (16:35):
Yes, hi h. I've actually owned a house and sold
a house in a flood zone area, and I've also
brought a house in the floodsone are. And when I
went to sell my house in the flood zone era,
it was on about the highest point of the north
Shore and I couldn't wreck it up because you know,

(16:57):
we were very very high up. And I went to
the council and they would look at it for a
thousand dollars and in the end the conclusion they came
to the the the only reason of it would flood
is because the drains, you know, were blocked so but
they didn't they wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Your drains or their drains, your drains or their drains right,
and were they were they were they willing to unblock
those drains?

Speaker 12 (17:28):
No, they're really willing to do anything. But the drains
have blocked anyway because you know you was a homemade
to go out and bought them. Do you think you're
going to get you know, water coming down? But we
were so steeped up and never be happened. It was
just Sundy counsel.

Speaker 8 (17:47):
It was.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
It was amazing though. In you know that that big
cyclone a couple of years ago in Auckland, the big
areas that you never ever thought would flood flooded, you know,
places up high and such.

Speaker 6 (18:01):
It was.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
It was quite quite amazing the places that flooded, I
mean down.

Speaker 12 (18:06):
I was suspected that would so, especially when they kept
on putting more and more buildings on, you know, in
that area. That that didn't surprise me.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
You are you scrubbing the calling?

Speaker 12 (18:21):
Oh that's my dog sitting next to me, scrat.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
I thought you were an archaeological scraping off some bone
hard Thanks for your corn. What's the name of your
dog's Molly?

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Hey, Molly?

Speaker 12 (18:40):
All Miny's interested in has been you know patients anyway.
But the other interesting is where I brought it up
north here. All the paper were when I brought the
place said as being you know that it's right next
to a river, and the paperwork said that all the
homes that have been built up for meters that was

(19:01):
what the councilor required at the time. Now, since I've
been there, we've had the five hundred years storm, the
hundred year storm, and cycling Gabriel. Now, five hundred year
storm came up to the back gates of all property,
but it didn't go into the properties whatsoever. The one

(19:21):
hundred year storm sort of, it was at little. It
was a lot less than the five hundred year storm,
but it did flood. And when Gabriel came, it didn't
flood at all. But in the meantime, exactly at the
time of Gabriel, my insurance suddenly went up two thousand dollars.

(19:42):
And inquirying about that and getting all the paperwork from
the council and everything else, they you know, they wouldn't
been on it. And some of the people around here
this has gone up over five thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
So it's rough, isn't it. That is I thank you
for you called Colleen and they have a great day. Molly, Yeah,
it's dog ready to go. Oh yeah, dogs Colin he's
just such a pet hound, just lives for the packs.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, they're the best of us.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
I'll tell you what you've got to do. You've got
to get when you get home and you see your dog,
You've got to get down on your knees and this
is off topic, right and lock them right in the
face and give them a pat right eye to eye, okay,
and then they feel like that everything's all right with
the pack.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Right.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Otherwise they're running around, they're seeing your ankles. They're going,
why hasn't my pack acknowledged me? Right? And that makes
them more needy.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Get down on their level.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
So as soon as I get home, now jump on
the ground with Colin. I put my forehead on his
forehead and like, oh, good boy, I got to see you.
And then he goes, oh, yet the pack I'm all right, yeah,
near the alpha, which is me, is approving of me.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
He's happy.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
See, that's why Colin's a good boy. Right.

Speaker 11 (20:49):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Would you buy a home in a floodwrest area. If
you've got one hundred thousand dollars discount, and if you've
had some trouble with counsel over the zoning of your property,
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Speaker 3 (22:22):
Thank you very much, Susie.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, hey, I guess if you're smart, it's like anything.
If you're a smart person, you could play this right
because a flood map does not necessarily mean the actual
house is likely to flood, right, correct, But it will
mean that certain people will freak out and not buy
the house. So if you, you know, get your limbs on,

(22:46):
talk to your neighbors, checking the drainage, you know, look
at floor height and all those kinds of things, and
you know, notice there's no past damage or whatever. I
don't know. You do a bit of research right then,
and you talk to your insurance company as well.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Then just by putting that extra effort in, then you
might get a place that is actually sweet ass because
no one else the councilor hasn't no one else us
has put that much thought into it and scars off
a bunch of buyers and there was never any.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Risk at all, right, definitely because the council is slow, right,
So you know, just down in christ Church is what
I'm familiar with, because we've got a house down there.
So they say one in a fifty year event for
our property. But then they'd done a whole bunch of
work on the street that wasn't updated in the official
limb documents. But we knew that so you could still.
Our lawyer found that out actually, but that would be
far more than a lot of people would have done.

(23:34):
And the insurance company. That's why the first insurer said, nah,
we don't want it, because they were just looking at
what information the council had rather than the updated situation
on the ground. The house was actually lifted, it had
been built above code for flood zones. They didn't take
that into account.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, Like if you were buying a secondhand car Tyler
and the you know, the check engine light was on,
you probably wouldn't buy it, but a mechanic might go
and look in the engine and go, actually that check
engine like things load of bollocks yep, and get that
car a lot cheaper whilst knowing that the car switet
as Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Great analogy, thank you, and a lot of people do that. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number of
Corgode Allen. Yeah, how yeah, goods. What's your story.

Speaker 14 (24:18):
Well, we've lived in a house that was flooded because
of storm water issues, councilor stormwater issues. But I'm also
in the industry, and so we just suggest to our
clients that when they are looking at purchasing, they obviously
try and find out as much as they can about

(24:40):
the property from the vendor or the red estate agent,
because I think they're obliged to forward that information now
to purchases, and also you get experts involved. But there's
a big difference between living in a house that is
in an area that's marked light blue or dark blue

(25:02):
that may flood because of a drain two kilometers away,
and in a house that sit right by a river
at the bottom of a hill, and so you've really
got to find out what if any damage was caused
to the property you're looking to buy and rather than
as well as what's happening in the area and if

(25:24):
a property that you're going to buy has suffered damage directly,
then you might struggle to get insurance because insurers now
underwrite the risk where you are looking at, not the
area that you're buying in. That's that's the difference that
the insurers have made to their assessments. So they will

(25:45):
look at, you know, at number ten blah blah blah street,
and if that's what you're going to buy, that's what
they make their assessment on now, rather than a wide area.
Oh yeah, there's a river with the Cooey that could flood.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Can can you can you change the insurance company's mind though?
If you are there, are there there people that you
can reach out to experts or well?

Speaker 14 (26:05):
However, information is information is key. So the more information
you can provide as to what happened, what was the damage,
what has been done to fix it, and what has
been done to prevent any further damage, all that's valuable information.
And the insurance companies will look at that and say, Yep,
that's a reasonable risk, we can work with that, or

(26:28):
they might say no, it's still to dodgy for us,
so we'll just pass on that. But it's down to
the individual and a lot of lawyers now are saying,
you're going to buy this property. Okay, the first thing
we need to do is to send the limb through
to the insurance company so that they can say yes

(26:49):
or no. Because it is a big thing. I mean,
you know, all con Council paid out nearly three billion dollars.
House purchase is just arising from twenty twenty three, so
it's not a cheap thing. So if you're on the
wrong side of that and then you buy a property
and nothing's been done, then you're going to be on

(27:10):
the wrong side.

Speaker 15 (27:10):
Of it again.

Speaker 14 (27:12):
So it's definitely your risk, but you can mitigate that
with information and research.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah, and the one thing that I didn't actually think
about until just before was the idea that the flood
risk could be because the council knows that the drains
are blocked or their drainage isn't right.

Speaker 14 (27:29):
Well, if you look at the flood viewer, it states that.
So the color coding is one is for where there
are known streams or rivers, and the other one is
where there are overland flow paths. Now, those overland flow
paths could arise from a stream or a river or
from local storm water overflow. But it especially if you're

(27:52):
in an area where there's intense housing development and then
where there were one house on a big section, now
there's eight houses, there's nowhere.

Speaker 15 (28:01):
For the water to go.

Speaker 14 (28:04):
It will overwhelm any system because the problem was the
development in New Zealand is that the infrastructure leaks behind.
So you know, you get heavy rain, the drains fill up,
the water's just going to run off somewhere.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Alan, thank you very much. Just thinking about what Alan
Allen's saying there. I mean, as some council data debatable
and I know what you just said there that you
get an expert and to push back on some of
that data. But the reason I say that is a
lot of that stuffs predictions, right, A lot of these
council guys yep, they've got expertise in various modeling and
all the rest of it, but these are predictions.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
And they're not going house by house to do them.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
That's right. It's just general area predictions of what they
think potentially could happen based on stats and data from
the past and everything else. But that is contestable because
they're making a lot of assumptions in those predictions that
as you say, for an individual house might not apply,
but an insurance company would look at the council data
and say, nah, council fairs, you're going to get flooded

(29:01):
once every twenty years.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah well, I mean, as Allan's pointing out, though, you
might be in an actual riverbed and a historic riverbed,
and then you're in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah true.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Here might just be near a lazy council drain that
hasn't been emptied. This text says, guys, the damage by
the flood was compounded by the lack of council maintenance
of the stormwater system. Quick to take the rates, but
blind to the solutions. That's from an ex train layer.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Nice kiep those teams coming through A nine two ninety
two and want to hear from you, Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty would you buy a home in a
flood zoned area if you've got a massive discount on
the purchase price? Tell us it is seventeen to two,
the issues that.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
Matd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talk say'd be.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Very good afternoons here it is a quarter to two.
So we're talking about flood zone properties. It turns out
they're being snapped up across the board. Many buyers are
finding a significant discount up to one hundred thousand dollars
in some places, and the values are going up on
those properties. They are outstripping the value of properties in
unaffected areas. So if that's you, tell us your story,
I eight hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Eighty desirable flood risk property. So I'm a real estate
Agency's the text down. We have the bank, mortgage broker,
and sure're all advertising the buyer to look elsewhere. You
may have done some work to alleviate the possibility of flooding,
but that does not change the buyer perception. Houses and
flood zones, and even with overland flow paths, are very
difficult to sell, even though it's only a one percent

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possibility of flooding, as per Limb.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
So from a real estate agent's perspective, I guess or
resale perspective, you know you're going to get it one
hundred thousand dollars cheaper, perhaps, but you're also going to
have to sell it for one hundred thousand dollars cheaper
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
That is a great point, Yeah, to try and on
sell it.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
But if that just goes on, then that's fine, right.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
So if it's exactly where you want the house to
be for a number of other reasons, and it happens
to be in a flood zone, you do a bit
of research, you reckon it's going to be sweet as
you get some insurance. You just accept that when the
real estate tries to sell the house for you, they're
going to you know, you're going to have of people
going yeah in that link and it's two flood zoning, a.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Lot of tie kickers. Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighties and I'm to call next yep.

Speaker 16 (31:16):
What's your thoughts look related to all of that. I'm
in the Hut Valley, Okay, I own a property and
it's my view and probably most people's views, that the
Hut value is really a floodplain. But regardless of that,
we get our valuations, or the council gutsiness valuations for
rating purposes from qv they've contracted them. They've just put

(31:40):
out their new rates, and regrettably my property has gone
up in value or gone down as related to the
market values concerned. But gone up in things like land value,
surprising as it may seem, and in spite of the
fact that it's caught up. According to QV, the council

(32:01):
did some sort of desk assessment or whatever it is
and decided three years ago that my property was subject
of the land was subject to liquification. Given that nobody
there was no transparency, nobody told me anything about it,
and I'm not the only one that's involved, I guess,
and that value but that aside, How can property land

(32:22):
properties go up in value if you want to, when
the quality of the land i e. Subject to liquification
has gone down? In talking to valuers, valuers say, don't
speak to us, speak to the engineers, because the engineers
decide as to whether the risk for E liquification is low, medium,
or high. Why hasn't counseled this is lower hat city

(32:46):
council either discussed all these aspects with QV, who did
do their valuations? And why is it that the public
don't seem to care about what the values are. I mean,
if they are in a state mental they don't care anyway.
But if you're in a private house and don't want
to uplift it, don't want to sell it. What are
you supposed to do as a resident?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
God questions Nack. I mean, you know there's a lot
in that situation. I just say. I mean, whether it's
the value of your property your house Nick, that's gone
up and the land value stayed the same, but liquefaction,
I mean, what do you do if they find your
information out that Wellington is at risk of earthquakes and
when an earthquake happens, that comes up through your floor.
I don't know. You can't keep that secret. You've got

(33:30):
to put it on the limb, don't you.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Nac.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
The six is the council port to blanket flood zone
over our twenty acres that we're farmed for fifty years.
A home has never had flood water anywhere near it,
yet they've devalued our property massively. Several years ago we
got a hydrology report that said ten percent at most
would flood very temporarily because drains below us don't get clean.
That's where the floodwater got to during the big floods

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in past four or five years. Council are out of control.
It's amazing how much money we pay in rates and
then you find out that some of the flood risk
is because the drains aren't clear.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, that is that. It's unacceptable, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Wayne needs to get down there and a vacuum cleaner
and clean out the drains before he before he continues
guests bagging on about everything else.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Your handstead he woke away. Oh one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call keen on your views
on buying a flood zone property, even if you do
get a discount, how's it gone for you? Tell us
it is ten to two.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Be actually Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams afternoons news talks Envy seven to seven to three?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Would you buy a flood zone property if you've got
a heavy discount upwards of one hundred thousand dollars?

Speaker 4 (34:47):
This six says, Remember most people need a mortgage to
buy a house, and the bank won't lend on a
house that's in a flood zone where they seem to
be doing that. It's just all part of the equation.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
That's right. Yeah, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Is number two.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Call Sometimes they won't This textas says Hi, I live
in New Lynn, Auckland. My house got flooded two times
due to storm water the house. In two thousand and seven.
I called the Auckland Council to come have a look.
One guy came. He said, your house is in the
flood zone area. There is no river back of my
house in the tennis court, and the water from the

(35:19):
tennis court when rains heavily comes to my property. I see,
I told the council or guy when this area was
flood zone, why Auckland council gave for mission to build
the house? That the guy said he can't do anything about.
This is totally saying why pay rates? When time comes
for help from the council, they just ignore you. So

(35:39):
they're in a flood zone because of a tennis court.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
That is stuff. Pam, How are you good?

Speaker 16 (35:45):
Thank you?

Speaker 17 (35:46):
Why make district council or a classic example of stating
things a flood zone won't come and have a lot
and they're not.

Speaker 12 (35:56):
At all.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
They're not at all in the flood zone. And the
why market Eddie.

Speaker 17 (36:02):
Well, no where we walked when we first moved there no.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Blood zones, but they are no cell coverage.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Obviously hasn't been washed away. But we've lost your Pam.
We'll try and get you back. Peter, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (36:19):
Yes, Hi, you never wanted to report something that hasn't
been reported very well at all, and that is the
not about the thirteenth of May, the UN Top Climate
Committee IPCC withdrew it's worst case scenario RCP eight point five,

(36:39):
saying that it's no longer plausible climate future trajectory. It says,
and I followed that up by checking how it was
used in New Zealand and all of our councils were
required to work their infrastructure around that worst case scenario projection.
And so we can now put pressure on these councils

(37:02):
to revise downwards those projections in line with the projections.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
So you think that I think the inland flood risks
are less than than as currently being predicted for or
zoned four.

Speaker 18 (37:22):
Yes, yes, they had to base them on the worst
case scenarios, which was this RCP eight point five projection
of sea level rise and flooding, particularly coastal I would
say because it's more to do with sea level rise
so I'd like to know just what's happening around the
councils to adjust for that, for that change in the

(37:44):
in the predictions from like DCC.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I wonder if they would be reticent to do that
because for them being able to put more people in
the flood zone kind of covers their ars no matter
what happens if the one hundred year floods happen again.
So it might be quite a battle to get them
to walk anything back because they're going to err on
the side of mass of caution, aren't they, Peter.

Speaker 18 (38:10):
They are And I've experienced that locally with a section
that we know about where the flood projection is just
absolutely ridiculous and worry above anything that's anywhere feasible, you know. Yeah,
I just want to know what councils are doing to
change this, and we're report why it hasn't been reported

(38:33):
in the media that put this back down from the
IPCC has happened.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Right, Well, you've just reported it on You've just reported
it on Medeath and Tyler Adams afternoons on news talks.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
That's right, it's out there, Peter, good call, Thank you
very much. I think it everyone else that gave us
a buzz and tech through coming up after two o'clock.
Do we need to rethink our sick leave entitlements? Germany is,
and we'll tell you more about that next news with
Susie coming up.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Said, be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into
the shell. It is seven pass two and grant debut
company on this Friday afternoon. Just a reminder after three
point thirty the moment you're all wait for New Zealander
of the week. Very much looking forward to that, but
right now let's get into this discussion. So Germany will
require workers to provide a medical certificate from the first

(39:25):
day of sick leave, ending the previous system that allowed
up to three days off without a doctor's note. That
is currently the system we have here in New Zealand.
So Chancellor Frederick Mertz said the changes needed to curb
what he described as excessively high sickly rates that are
hurting productivity and economic competitiveness. He says, I quote, we

(39:46):
know this is a tough decision, but we can no
longer afford the competitive disadvantage caused by prolonged absences from work.
So Germans on average take about three weeks or fifteen
working days of sick leave a year. And looking at
our own system, we have ten days a year that
can be banked up to twenty days. And of course

(40:06):
we have the what we'll similar in Germany that you
could have three days off sick before you needed to
get a doctor's note.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Yeah, and then across Europe, Germany is not even the
most fall on a month, as you know, some of
the countries there are on average people getting up to
a month. Wow, so are people that? I mean people
do take the person with sick days?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Definitely.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
I mean people need to be honest about that, and
people see their sick days as being you know, people
will take their sick days, so they go. If you're
allocate ten days, then people will take ten days. That's
for some people. Some people never take a sick day.
Some good, honest, hard working people never take a sick day.
Some people take a sick day every Friday. Funny that

(40:54):
until they run out, it seems to be a good
day for it. Yeah, So what are you saying this?
O we one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do we
need to rethink our sick day entitlements. We have a
problem with productivity in New Zealand. Germany's figured that out
and they think a part of it is that people
are taking the mick when it comes to taking a
sick day off and that three days allowance before you
need to get a doctor's certificate.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Is that something we need to re examine. If you're
an employer, how's it going for you with the ten
days that got increased from five during the COVID times?
Is that putting a real pressure on you? And are
you having a few workers that are just not turning
up on Monday.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
It's a funny thing in New Zealand, isn't it? So
once something has been added to take it off would
be majorly controversial. Could you imagine if the coalition government
just letting up to the selection said we're going to
go back to pre COVID sick days, it'd kill them
because they only increased it to ten because the argument
was that COVID is so bad that we can't have
people going into work because they don't want to lose

(41:52):
a day's pay and thus spreading COVID.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Right, that's right, and we need it to have the
five days off. Yeah, so I thought, you get COVID,
you need to be at home for at least five days,
So we'll just add that on to the current five days.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Well, yeah, a punishing time, but that's not the case anymore.
You know, who cares if anyone's got COVID Now no one?
And so we're so arguably we're back in the exact
same position as we were before. So why don't they
cut it back down to five Because anyone that did that,
everyone would there'll be screens of your killing people mat

(42:24):
is on the stream. Yeah, imagine imagine the hysteria if
they took it back to just what it was before COVID.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
People would lose their mind. But what do you say, oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty do we need to have
a rethink of our sick day entitlements? Is this part
of our productivity problem? And as an employer, is this
putting pressure on you as a business owner? Tell us
nine two ninety two is the text number? It is
eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Wow, your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Be thirteen past two. So the Germans are cracking down
on sick leave, do we need to follow suit with
our ten days that can be banked to twenty days?

Speaker 4 (43:05):
And would New Zealand is except having to see a
doctor on the first day they call in sack. I'm
not sure the practicalityes are that. If I ever want
to see a doctor in Auckland, that's pretty much a
that's two weeks out.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, pretty hard to get some face time.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Yeah, although I found out on my health insurance you
can get a video doctor pretty much straight away, right,
I only found that out reason.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Okay, that's andy.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
I'll tell you what, if you're paying for health insurance,
take the time to look at the benefits that you
get for your health insurance because they're actually there's a
whole lot of stuff that you don't even if you're
like me, Yeah, you didn't know stuff for the GP,
Well yeah, yeah, they've got on my health insurance. Might
as well say to us Southern Cross good more than
likely yep, but on it it's just this is like

(43:46):
a Southern Cross video call doctor that you can get
drop of a hat.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I never would have thought of that. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighties to number to call Rachel. How
are you?

Speaker 6 (43:55):
I'm good? Thank you?

Speaker 19 (43:55):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 20 (43:59):
I think it's a really interesting conversation. I agree that
a lot of people do take the person, but there
are also a lot of jobs that would really benefit
from more sickly. I myself, I work as a support
worker in a kindergarten, and we've noticed, especially with the
rise in working families and people needing to have two

(44:19):
parents working at the same time, that people won't take
sickly for their children, and they're sending their children into
ec and to day care, into school even really unwell,
and things spread like wildfire in this environment. So we
find not just that the kids are getting sick, but
us as professionals are also sick. And when we have

(44:41):
such limited sick leaves at circles around us and impacts
our own families. So I think if there was a
way that people could have almost scaled sick leaves. Depending
on your workplace, like I know that there are some
people in healthcare or emergency services that have unlimited sickly.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
It's it's a real, peatri dishy living isn't your working,
isn't it? Rachel? I mean, that's that's what One of
the main occupations of children is getting sick and building
up their immunity. So if you I mean, I remember
when my kids were toddlers, Oh my god, I think
one of them had a snotty nose from about the
time he was about one till about five, just endlessly.

(45:23):
And there's a parent you just get every illness that's
going around when you got a little kids, So I
can only imagine what it's like when you're when you're
working there professionally.

Speaker 8 (45:30):
Rachel.

Speaker 20 (45:31):
Yeah, it's it's definitely a challenge for sure, but.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
You might be you might be some kind of uber
immunity person.

Speaker 20 (45:40):
It definitely builds up a little bit more resilient. But yeah,
it's a real struggle because you're taking it home to
your own family. You might not necessarily get sick yourself.
But I mean myself, I had young children, So for
me to bring a germ home the then they have
to take time off school, I have to take time
off work. They can be really complicated, and I know, yeah,

(46:02):
a lot of families struggle worth taking extra time off
to care for their children. But you know, it's the
difference between you know, taking a sickly day yourself or
fifty other families needing to take sickly.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Yeah. I mean, yeah, we were talking about this before
the show that if you are an afternoon talkback radio host, yeah,
you have to be pretty sick before you can't make
it into work because you just have to have to talk.
But also, we don't really have a lot of people
bringing illness in here, that's right, This isn't This isn't
really the kind of place where a lot of illness
is going to turn up.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
It's a highly sanitized studio as well.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Yeah, so further to your point, Rachel, there are different
workplaces that have different risk factors. I mean, you're trying
pretty hard to get sick here, although you got here
the deeplesy Allen, that's got toddlers at home, she's.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Spreading carrier potentially.

Speaker 20 (46:55):
Yeah, it's the one that you all blame.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, that's right, But yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
I mean, look, I don't know how you do it
profession by profession. Clearly your profession needs it more than others.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
But just thinking about in my head, you know, if
you're in a partnership or you know, you have someone
in your household, maybe they can give you a couple
of their days if you're working in childcare and they're not,
you know.

Speaker 20 (47:15):
Yeah, yeah, I think it can also come down to
individual employers. I think can offer more flexibility one.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
Way or the other.

Speaker 20 (47:24):
But it would be great if that was something that
was more widely embraced.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah, interesting point, Rachel, Thank you very much for giving
us a call, and go well at the childcare center.

Speaker 20 (47:33):
Thank you, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Thank you very much. So are you with Rachel? Do
you think it does need to be profession specific that
you have people like teachers and childcare workers, and perhaps
people in hospitals as well, that will get sick more
often and they need their ten days a week, whereas
you know, radio jocks like me and Matt Heath we
only need one or two, maybe not even that.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Yeah, I mean if you have the practicality of it though,
I think and surely. But it is interesting because you
know they are pushing back in Germany, people saying well,
how am I going to get to a doctor? Right,
But the other part of it is so Germany's pushing
back because they're worried about productivity.

Speaker 21 (48:10):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
And Germany's productivity is so much higher than our Yeah,
like our productivity is as very low. Yeah, and sick
days a problem for that?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? What do you say? Nine two nine
two see text number?

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Surely if people are taking more sick days than they
are sick, then that that affects productivity. In Britain last year,
one hundred and forty nine million working days were lost
to sickness.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Yeah, so that represents two percent of all working hours,
or on average, more than four days per worker.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
That's better than us. I looked up on average how
many days kiwis take off per year, and it's just
under seven days per year sick days. So that's pretty
close to the ten day mark.

Speaker 14 (48:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I've got a I haven't checked it yet, but I
wonder if that's gone up since it was five days.
Arguably it has. And that goes back to your point
that if you've got it sitting there, do you just
take it because it's an entitlement?

Speaker 4 (49:06):
This tick says, hey isn't national wanting to make sick
days down to five days. That alone loses my vote. Yeah, well,
I mean that's the whole thing though. As I was saying,
before taking sick days down to five days, it was
put up to five days for COVID, So you know,
we can keep adding these things on and more public

(49:27):
holidays whatever. We all love them, but at some point
there isn't the productivity so low that the country doesn't
make enough money to cover all the things we want
to do.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Right, It's right, we were happy with that. We were
twenty eighteen. There was no grizzles about five days. We're
all very happy with the five days. No one was saying, oh, le,
it's double it. Why haven't we doubled it? This is unfair?

Speaker 4 (49:48):
What's the saying? A luxury becomes the necessity. You get
used to it, so it's like, oh, we've got ten days.
And you know, in COVID made sense, right because they
had all those crazy rules about how not being able
to come into work and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah,
so it was if they're going to make those crazy rules,
then it was unfair to then not have ten days
sick right, Yeah, But we're in a different zone now,

(50:10):
so what do we doing.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah, what do you say? I one hundred and eighty
ten eighty's that number to call? It is twenty past two,
bag very shortly.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
So, Tyler, you're trying to tell us you only get
one to two six days a year. What a load
of b is? No, you get ten, but you would
only take one or two because exactly because you don't.
You're not sick more than that. No, I mean you were,
you would take them right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
One hundred percent. But I can say, hand on heart,
how many six days have I had? I had one
last year. I think you had one? Yeah, so you
know my record speaks for itself. Dear Texter, Yeah, you're
like Unbreakable.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
You're like Bruce Willison Unbreakable the movie where he goes
and us as boss seventy six days he's had.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I only need my mouth though, to be fair. But
it is twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
It is twenty three past two. So we're talking about
a sick day, sick leave entitlements. Rather, Germany is cracking
down on sick leave. They say it's affecting product. So
do we need to look at doing the same. I
wait one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Danny says, Hey, guys, if you did not want to
work a five day week with all the national regional holidays,
ten weeks, twenty days and you leave and ten days
six leave and took one day off a week, you
only work twelve four weeks a year.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Wow. Okay, there's some good mets right there.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
This text says six sick days are for the week.
I would be embarrassed to take all ten. I'm an
alpha like you, Matt.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Okay, right, that's from one alpha to another.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
It's a misrepresentation of what I said before. I said
I was the alpha to my dog Colin, who's a
tiny miniche now is a Jack Russell cross. And I
was just saying that I was the alpha in the
pack between me and Colin.

Speaker 21 (51:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (51:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
And so I go home and I get down on
my knees and I lot Colin in the eyes, and
I go good boy, good boy, and rub noses together.
So he knows that the alpha loves them. You have
to be peck leader otherwise he's just getting my ankles
and he doesn't feel he gets emotionally upset.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
So when I said does an alpha, it's only with
one very small being that I'm in alpha. That's me
and my dog Colin.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
He looks up to you, mate, he's a good boy
and man.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Tyler.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, justin now your mate.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Yeah, yeah, good. Just bringing up about your sick days.
Oh yeah, yeah, just a couple of interesting points. I've
got an outdoors job and I work in a very
cold part of the country. Probably I've had one sick
day in the last two years. I've got nineteen sick days,
and there's been a.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Couple of up hear me, yep, yep, yep, yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
As a few others at the work they are in
the same boat. Something I reckon'd be quite good as
some sort of incentive to incentivize like people who you know,
if you've got no sick days for two years, maybe
pay a little cash bonus for people who you know
have done put the effort in coming to work when

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they're not so great being the loyal blah blah blah.
I think that's a great I can never be a
goodness enter for people to maybe you know, not take
the well take all the days and work the system.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
We've got this text here justin this employer says, I
pay my staff any unused sick pay out as their
Christmas bonus.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
So good, So something will do that exactly what I mean?

Speaker 14 (53:25):
That's brilliant, Yeah, because I think, you.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Know, I know there's people that work the system and
there were sick days and the leave and they know
exactly how to work it. I'll tell you an interesting story.
So I'm not going to name any businesses, but I
know of a very large supermarket that had some new
owners takeover some time ago, about nearly a year ago.
They went through the payroll and any everyone that had

(53:49):
used up all their leave and sick leave and appeared
to be just you know, looked like it was a
pattern of working the system. Those people were made redundant
and they took on a whole of new staff.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Well, you can't so yeah, I mean you can't blame
employers like that though.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Right No, And you know what, I think, the teen
days is good. I have had three kids. They're growing
up a bit now. When the kids were little, it
was great. You need those days when you know, when
you're both working toddlers that are sick, you need to
have teen teen days. And when you've got sick kids,
you need to be able to have teen days before

(54:27):
they change it's ten days, five days. I onlyver thought
was enough. So you think when you've got little kids.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
So even though you don't use them, you still think
there should be ten. So do you think there should
be different rules for people with kids than people without kids?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
No devisions?

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yeah, to be complete on that, yeah, right, you.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
Never know when something you're not going to get chronically sick.
But there's people that you know, you know, the people
that take two days off. They come into work, they're
not their noses aren't running, they're not coughing. You know,
it's just like help whatever, you know what I mean.
But they're entitled to use the sick days.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
So well, I mean, you're not entitled to use you
sick days if you're not sick.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
That's right, there's just taking the meccas in it. Yeah,
and a lot of people do that, you know, they
see that that ten mark, as you've said many times,
but they see that ten mark and say, I'm going
to make sure I get my ten days off hell
or high water per year because I'm owed that, so
does that need to change?

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Like this text, my staff know exactly when they're sick
days roll over each year. Out of my sixty four staff,
sixty three used everyone. That one change overnight by the
government gave us over three hundred extra sick days each
a year. Because that's yeah, I mean, that's the thing
because there would be only some people when you've got

(55:41):
a little kids, and I've had little kids, and you
do get sick a lot, but there would be very
few people that are actually sick for a whole two
weeks a year. Yeah, that's pretty sick right out of
all the time, and not including weekends because if you're
in the weekend, I mean, let's just say you work
Monday to Friday, so for two ten whole days of

(56:04):
a year you're sick.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah, that's pretty that would be death's door to me.
And I'm not just saying this. I think it's pretty common.
But when the last time.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
If that's real for you, then I've then absolute nothing
but sympathy for you if you are that sick. And
obviously there are people that are that sick. Yeah, but
that's pretty sick.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Because most of a cold would be done and dusted
in twenty four hours, would not what do you say?
Nine two ninety two is the text number and we
want to hear from you on oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and after the headlines we're just coming up.
We have a chat with Jack. She works in an
office environment and disagrees with the childcare worker Rachel. Interesting, Okay,
we'll get her views coming up at his twenty nine past.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Two US talks. That'd be headlines with.

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to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Thank you very much, Susie. So we're talking about sickle.
Even titiwins, Germany is cracking down. They're now going to
require workers who are sick on day one to go
get a doctor's note instead of day three, as as
the rules we have here. So do we need to
review our own sickle entitlements? What do you say?

Speaker 4 (58:18):
I think this is a texta for employees with mental
health issues. The ten days is needed. So mental health
issues more important than sickness issues. So is having a
mental health problem more worthy than having a virus.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Interesting question. What do you say to that? Jack? How
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 22 (58:41):
I'm really good, really good, great, great conversation.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Yeah, thank you, thanks, thanks for bringing in.

Speaker 22 (58:49):
Good time sympathy to the child here and teachers. I
get that, got friend to art and they seem to
be always sick. However, I use a train one and
a half hours commute each way, so that's three hours
a day. So that's festering cessperson.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (59:08):
Yeah, so you're primed in there, and it's the rolling
which is super busy, eighteen carriages. Then when I get
survive that little cesspit, I get to work, and I
work in a building and on my floor these over
two hundred people and they just cough and hack away.
And it's usually the people who are taking the press

(59:29):
out of stick leave and the rest of us who
genuinely don't take it unless we are sick. You suffer,
and you you know, because you're sitting side by side,
row upon row.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
So what you're saying, Jack, is there's people that will
take the sick leave day when they're not sick, but
come to work when they are sick.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Yeah, double dirty.

Speaker 22 (59:53):
Yeah, Oh I love it. It's great. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,
I think so. When it comes to that part of thing,
I don't think it really works especially, I mean, it'd
be too hard to try and differentiate between robs and speculations.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
And you know, like most people are working with someone
who is connected in some way with a daycare, So
it goes from the daycare to the parent to someone
you Jack, sitting beside them on the train.

Speaker 22 (01:00:22):
Oh yes, yes, yeah, yes, And then you're just going, oh,
good god, it's the can I went from home today?

Speaker 8 (01:00:28):
Please?

Speaker 18 (01:00:30):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
If you're working for home, can you take a sick day?

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Can?

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
People ob guess they can?

Speaker 22 (01:00:36):
People have tried to.

Speaker 23 (01:00:37):
Believe it or not.

Speaker 24 (01:00:40):
You're already a bed.

Speaker 22 (01:00:45):
And it's not the people in WAT team they've done that.
And I'll go, are you joking me?

Speaker 20 (01:00:50):
Seriously?

Speaker 22 (01:00:53):
Brave enough to us?

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Thank you for your call, Jack, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Yeah, what a great call. Nine ninety two is the
text if you want to send a text through about
our sick leave entitlements.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
This Texas alex is used to be. Hi, guys, I
used to be one of those workers that you used
to use all of my sick leave, whether I was
sick or not. I had that attitude of I'm entitled
to it. I have changed over the years as I've
gotten older and now only use them and when I
am very sick. For example, last year, my wife, who
was thirty nine at the time, had a stroke, so

(01:01:27):
I had to take some time off then to help
out at home and to be there for her and support,
et cetera. So the ten days sick leave definitely came
in hand event. I mean, no one's gonna no one's
going to have a problem with you taking time to
look after your partner that's had a stroke. Our no
mind a stroke at thirty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Yeah, that is tough.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Sorry to hear that, mate, But.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Thank you very much for texting us through Donna. What's
your story?

Speaker 24 (01:01:52):
How are you? I'm was just listening to this and
I'm the chap who called out had nineteen six days.
I kind of agree with them around perhaps rewarding people
who don't use them. I mean, I don't use many
six days at all. I'm fortunate I work for a
company that does give you up. Listen, and if you're
not sick enough to take a day off, but you're
sick enough to spread something, you're allowed to work from

(01:02:15):
home and I'm and that's quite good first job in
my life. But I mean one job I left, I
had forty seven sick days and you know, i'd sat
there for eleven years and watched people taking the mickey.
Really and I've got thirty six six days where I'm
sitting now. But I think they I didn't see it
as an entitlement. I feel like, if you're sick, yes

(01:02:38):
they're there. But for me, I don't know if I
might get really crop Once I actually had the flu,
like the real flu, you know, the one where everything
the air touching your skin hurts. And I did have
to have a couple of weeks off of that years ago,
and it was really good that I hadn't taken the
McKey because I got paid the whole two weeks that

(01:03:00):
I was actually at home on a drip and the
doctor was visiting me because I was so so sick. Yeah,
I just I don't really understand why people feel it's
an entitlement. I know it's there, but it's not. You
can't just take it. If you leave them, that's still there.
It's still there. I'd love to get something back for it,

(01:03:21):
but it is what it is. It's just my story.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Yeah, it is an interesting one, isn't it The idea that, yeah,
should you get something back for it because it's a backstop,
isn't it. That's the idea of it. It is, But
the problem is that people definitely take the mickey with it. Yeah,
I mean, you'd be suspicious of someone that's taken Like
we have those employees that say, every one of my

(01:03:44):
employees but one has taken every one of their sick days,
and so you're so everyone just coincidentally happens to be
sick ten days a year, either that or their coup.
They're sick more than that, and they're coming in sick,
which can have its own problems.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Spreading its gems.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Yeah, so what about I should know this because we're
talking about it, someone will be able to tell me.
Do sick days roll over?

Speaker 24 (01:04:08):
They do? Where ever I've work, they do, but they're
often at a maximum. So the one where I lived
where I had forty seven or six days maximum was fifty.
So here where I currently work, I don't think it's captive.
Can just keep accruing, right, But if you have something
where you need to take a lot of them, you

(01:04:28):
do get permission for doing that even though the days
are there, I suppose, but that's more about well being
and ensuring that my employee election. They like to know
so they can plan for what you're not doing, but
also ensure you're looking at yourself and following whatever regime
you need to to get through that time, whatever that

(01:04:49):
looks like, you know, for an operation or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Yeah, just more and more, Donna, you know, I just
feel because during COVID times, it was a buyers market
for employees, right. There was a lot of people that
needed staff because the economy was being propped up with
billions and billions of dollars, and then you know that
it was kind of there was a lot of mentality
I think from workers to say, you're lucky to have me,

(01:05:12):
and if you don't want to give me what I
want there and bugger you. That's obviously changed now, but
I wonder if that mentality is still in existence, that
you know, the very fact that you've got a job,
that is that should be you know, all that your
employer needs to give you. That very fact that you're
working and being paid money is the privilege in itself,
rather than the entitlement to say I need my twenty

(01:05:35):
days and you owe me this, and if you don't
give me this, then I'm going to walk. It just
feels to me quite an odd mentality for a worker
to have. You should be lucky to be employed and
be paid.

Speaker 24 (01:05:46):
I think I'm incredibly privileged to have the job I've got.

Speaker 22 (01:05:49):
I love it, and.

Speaker 24 (01:05:51):
I get after you work there five years, do you
get you get an extra week's holiday as well. I
don't think you should take advantage. It's a reciprocal relationship.
You need to be working together and I really if
you're good, you get treated. Well, that's my experience.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Yeah, I mean, if you're an employer and you're seeing
someone that's riding the sick days, then you're aware of it, right,
And so when it comes to moving up in the
company and extra responsibility and stuff. A year after year
you're seeing someone taking exactly ten sick days, then you
know you're going to go, well, this person is not
really in it for the company or for the you know,

(01:06:31):
for they're not really dedicated. I imagine that's what I
would think of my employees if that was the case.

Speaker 24 (01:06:38):
Yep, yeah, I mean I've I've been a manager in
different roles I've managed people who to every Monday of
the ten Mondays in a row.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
You know, it's obvious used to be there, used to
be called Millennial Monday. But I think the millennials are
aging out of that, aren't they?

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Hopefully?

Speaker 7 (01:06:56):
Hopefully.

Speaker 24 (01:06:57):
Yeah, I wouldn't be a manager anymore. You couldn't pay
me enough, but yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
A tough job certainly as Yeah, looking after people putting
out fires constantly done.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Thank you very much for giving us a call. Great
to hear from you. So that's Donna's thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
What are yours? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Got to take a quick break,
but we'll get to a few of your texts coming
through on nine two nine two as well. It's eighteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Three Matt Heath Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon
rolls on Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News talks
'ed be.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
News talks, it'd be. It is sixteen two three and
we're talking about sick leave and titaments. Germany are cracking
down because of low productivity. Do we need to do
the same Our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call and if you want to send
a text. Nine two nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
I had a kidney transpart in twenty twenty two, sorry,
kidney transplant in twenty twenty two. Was so fortunate that
I had been able to accrue sick leave. I had
one hundred and twenty two sick days available. I think
I used about seveny of them. Cheers, gilly wow. So
I did not know that you accrued them, Tyler, Tyler, Tyler,
you're on very thin nice with your dick Dickens in

(01:08:05):
Dickensian view of the employment dynamic, this is why workers
need to reunionize and bring bad employers to their knees
when they take that sort of attitude. The employment dynamic
is give and take. No employer gives someone a job
as an act of charity. What well I to tell
you are on very thin nice with your Dickenzian. So

(01:08:26):
Charles Dickens, all right, So he's so this Matthew saying
that you think that employers are now still up relating
they were in Dickens' era.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
I think that that's what he's trying to articulate. And
thank you very much for your text, man, But then.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
He's saying that workers need to reunionize, reunionite. Okay, so
it's too complicated, diets back and explain what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Yeah, keep those things coming through. A nine to ninety two.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
I went to work with a guy who was croc
as a dog, coughing and snotty. We work in an
enclosed space, so I asked him why he didn't call sick.
He proudly told me he hadn't had a sick day
in five years. Next minute, both of us had six
days off with COVID. If you're sick, calling and think
of others, Yeah, I'm not sure about that. That that

(01:09:12):
whole embarrassing situation that we had when kids were getting
sent home if they even had a type sniff at school,
and you know, the whole bottom floor of this company
would clear out if there was even any talk of
any kind of illness at all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Exactly, mate, That's where we're they're.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
All too far, because you do actually need to build
up your immunity, because look what happened when we came
out of all that COVID craziness and then the first
round of basic summer, you know, winter colds came in
and everyone got laid out that winter because we'd lost
our immunity, our basic immunity that would work so hard

(01:09:48):
to get.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Sixty percent of the workforce was just off sick. It's like,
you can't run a country like this, Like you know, come,
some of you guys out there, you just got the sniffles.
You've got to do what you can for your country.
What I mean country can do for you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
The COVID response has done a lot of damage to
this country, obviously, but one of them is this hypochondria
that still exists where some you're a criminal if you've
got a running nose.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Yeah, the shame. Yeah, it was almost like that they're
seen in game of Throwing Shame. Shame, shame much out
naked solder on with Quadrill. It's good stuff there, Jeanette,
what's your view on this?

Speaker 19 (01:10:24):
Okay, So as far as I'm concerned, Sickly, there's a privilege.
I worked for DHV and I've just retired, and in
the seventies now, when I retired, I had ninety nine
six days up my sleeve. But I can chee the
story of when I first went to work for them.
I was listening to nine months and I had to
have a major kidney operation and they paid me for

(01:10:46):
six whole weeks and they didn't have to. So I
thought that was a real privilege, and I think it's
a privilege. And when I left, people ask me why
I didn't take two months off sickley prior to going,
and I said, because that would be dis honest.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Yeah, right, so you were.

Speaker 19 (01:11:03):
Just you just be checking him in the face for
what they did for me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Yeah, so you just coincidentally, the last two months that
you were employed, you got sick.

Speaker 19 (01:11:12):
Yeah, funny there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Yeah, yeah, but then people do it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
People do it, but I think that's because people fundamentally
think that they're they're owed them, so they're in the
same way as their own holidays.

Speaker 19 (01:11:24):
Yeah. No, I don't see it that way. And I
don't know if it still stands now because it's two
years since they left. But I know that in Hawk's
Bay you could actually donate your sick leave. So say
there was somebody who developed an illness and it was
an ongoing thing that they were still working for the
DHP and still tuning up for work, you know, but
they might need a bit extra more than someone else,

(01:11:46):
and so you could donate it. I don't know if
that's still true now, but you could back then, and
I thought that was a lovely.

Speaker 6 (01:11:51):
Thing to do.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Yeah, that is a lovely thing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Good on your janet.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
So a bunch of people are saying that six days
are kepped at two twenty days in most cases.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Yeah, and that's why I mean, when did that?

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Business by business? Because we get a lot of people
are saying that they wrecked up far more than twenty days.
Maybe that's just new contracts.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Right, different different places maybe having different rules. But I'll
be interested to hear from an accountan as well. So do
companies have to hold sick days as a liability that
they do holidays? Because sometimes someone comes in. I don't
get any holidays because I'm not employed, but some people
come in and they go they've got to get everyone
taking their sick days because the companies having to hold

(01:12:33):
them on their box. Yeah, I mean they're holidays, yes, yeah,
but I don't think is that the case with six days?
How could that be the case for six days because
they're not actually supposed to be taken.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
It's a great question. How do you work that out?
As an accountant?

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Tell us if you're running a business. Do you go, well,
I need to account for two weeks of you, four
weeks of holidays and two weeks of sick days.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
And then balance it at the end of it each year. Yeah,
tell us how it's done. Nine two nine two is
the text number, and no. Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty number to call.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
It's ten to three, the issues that affect you, and
a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
They'd be news talks thereb it is eight to two
three and we're talking about sickly evan titlements. Do we
need to have a look review how they're working and
whether we have too many?

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
The stick says, and you'll leave held as a liability
on the box, not sickly. I mean it'll be hard
to put sick leave on the box because you would
not know how much was gonna go. But I guess
you'd have to budget for the worst case scenario, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Yeah, and then balance it at the end of each year.
I mean it's not easy, the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Stick says, Matt. For if s you can't build immunity
against COVID or the flu for that matter, please correct yourself.
Thanks Jamie, you can. I mean humans are the most
incredible immunity building. Well, you know, lots lots of mammals are,
but we're incredible at building immunity. I mean, the virus mutates,
the influenza virus mutates. But if you've never been on

(01:13:58):
the immunity train and look, just look what happens. You know,
the when the Spanish went to South America. You know,
if you've missed, if you've missed the development on themmunity
train with the different mutations and such, then you get
absolutely killed. That wasn't influenza, but it was other viruses.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
So someone walking around so clearly and angrily claiming that
you can't build immunity against COVID or the flu because
someone else is texted in this as well? Where did
I say there is no immunity to covid apart from
the vaccine. If you don't know what that, you shouldn't
be on the radio spreading information. Oh come on, wow,

(01:14:39):
that is basic science that of course you can build
a immunity to various bacterian viruses.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Just good course you can.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
How do you think we'll be doing it forever?

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
It's the whole one of the whole most amazing things
about us. We're in a constant war between our bodies
and various viruses. Yeah, and that's that's immunity.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
That's why they call it the immune system.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
So there's someone out there right now walking around and
texting and angrily thinking that the only way you can
get immunity to COVID is through the VA apparently, Yeah,
and then accusing me of spreading misinformation.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Yeah, get a better Hello, Hi, what's your view on this?

Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:15:20):
Yeah, I just wonder a bit to an attitude thing
that needs to change. I mean often you see on
the news or something that we are sports of the
entire late on a Sunday night, and I would say, all,
there were a few people throwing are sicky tomorrow? Can
I sort of look at it and go, hang on
a minute, You're not throwing a sickie. You're actually stealing
from your employer. I mean, your employer is paying your

(01:15:43):
two or three or four hundred dollars a day whatever
it is to be at work, and if you don't
go because you're lying, effectively, you are stealing that money.

Speaker 21 (01:15:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
So I mean that was not the point that I
made quite poorly. But I think Matthew tried to hit
back at it that you know this mentality that an
employer owes you all of these things and they're lucky
that you're there in the first place. To me, I understand,
it's lucky that someone has employed you and you're able
to be paid and pay off your mortgage and live life.

(01:16:15):
You know, that is the privilege right there, right And
it seems like some of these people say, nah, I
get my ten days, I'm going to use all of them.
Screw my employer. I mean, why would you want to
screw your employer? They are making sure that you can
live a comfortable life.

Speaker 25 (01:16:26):
Oh, I totally agree, And I think the sad reality
is most employers aren't stupid, and they know who's taking
the mickey and stealing from them, whether it be through
sick lebe or whatever. They're the first ones to go
if there is a bit of a downturn you need
to put someone off, or if there's promotion going guess what,

(01:16:49):
they're not going to get it. So they might think
they're being very smart and clever by taking their ten
let's call them earned sick days, but they're not. I
mean the ten sick days should be there if you're sick,
and let's face it, some people do get sick and
they need to use it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Yeah, lastly said thank you very much, but a lot
of you, a lot of people take the piss. Yeah, exactly,
so would you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
But Germany, you're going to have to get a doctor's
visit on the first day.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Now we'll get to this after three o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
But that Texter, he's come back to you and he's conceded,
which is good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
I think he should have conceded. So we'll read that
out after three o'clock and a new topic on the
table as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Matt heat and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
The very good Afternoons You welcome back into the shelters
seven past three, and just a reminder coming up in
about twenty five minutes, the moment you wait for on
a Friday New Zealander of the week, very much looking
forward to that. Now, just briefly we mentioned before the
end of the hour there was a text that came

(01:18:01):
through having a bit of a crack. Now that Texter
has decided to concede and come back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
Yeah, so said that we were spreading misinformation by basically
saying that you can get immunity to influenza and COVID.
Of course it's changing and mutating all the time. Yes,
I mean we would not be here without our b
bodi's ability to build up immunity. Yes, and look, the

(01:18:27):
only form of immunity does not come from vaccines. That's
an outrageous thing to say. And so Jamie tikes back, Okay,
but yes, you can build immunity against COVID nineteen, but
it is not permanent. Immunity is required either through vaccination
or borough covering from a past. In fiction, the protection
wanes over time and can be evaded by new viral variants.
That has been the ongoing battle for all of time

(01:18:51):
between viruses and humans natural immunity. We are incredible. If
we weren't incredible at it, then we would all be
dead rites. And our species has had its you know,
the viruses have got to hear several times in the past,
haven't they.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Yep, And we've fought back.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
It's been it's been the biggest battle of humanity probably.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
That has you know, yep. That immune system is kick us.
It does very well for us.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
And so if you absolutely isolate yourself from all illness,
all viruses, then you put yourself in a very risky position.

Speaker 23 (01:19:31):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
But so it's not so bad if the little sniffle
goes around everyone. Yeah, and it's it's kind of important
that you get sick every now and then to build
up that immunity.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Exactly. So Jamie apology accepted. Thanks very much for texting back. Right,
let's get into this discussion. So recent survey has found
that New Zealanders trust Generation X the most when it
comes to practical skills like changing attire. So that perception
seems to show that kiwis are in their middle age
are more self reliant and hands on than the younger generation.

(01:20:05):
So there is a bit of a generational divide. Millennials
and Gen Z was seen as the least confident with
basic mechanical tasks, and the older generations Boomers were right
up there, but the Silent generation the confidence fell back
a little bit as well. And to be fair, the
silent generation that's above the boomer so they are getting
on a little bit. But putting Generation X is the

(01:20:25):
most we've.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Heard of the silent generation. What's the silent generation?

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
I'm sure that's the one above the Boomers.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
The silent generation refers to the demogratic, the demographic cohort
of people born roughly between nineteen twenty eight and nineteen
forty five, falling between the Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers.
The term was popularized by a nine to fifty one
Time magazine, They say, highlighting their perceived caution, traditionalism, and
tendency to conform compared to previous generations. Right, so the

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Boomers went loose, they became happies.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
They did yep, Summer of Love and.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
The greatest generation of all time. I think we all
agree on that one, and then the Baby Boomers. So,
I mean, the Silent generation is getting to a stage
now where changing a time might be a little bit difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
So even the youngest silent generation, if it's nineteen forty five,
that would be eighty one years old. If it goes
back to what was it, nineteen twenty one, I mean,
are they still around to change a tire at that stage?

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
My dad's eighty and he could change a tire pretty easily.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
He's pretty handy, though, wasn't he's.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Probably better at changing a tire than me. Well, seeing
has he taught me how to change a time?

Speaker 20 (01:21:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Were your Generation X? So do you feel the most
capable for practical skills like changing a tire?

Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
We are the greatest generation. I know that people talk
about the greatest generation, but I think everyone really deep
down knows that Generation X is this sort of superior generation,
the toughest. You know, have traversed a lot of stuff,
was very independent, grew up in independence. Don't expect anyone

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to look after us, unlike you millennials that are basically
emotional hemophilia.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
I like to be coddled.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Yeah, yep, And but I will say that we're not
as practical as the baby boomers. No, so we're better
than the baby boomers in a lot of ways. But
I think your average baby boomer can do more home
maintenance in their time then the Gen X. And then
that's fallen off even more for millennials and Gen Z

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haven't even even heard of the concept of changing oil
in their car.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
So where does the problem lie there? Because you're Gen
X and then you've had some kids who would be
in the is that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
The elpie see the best thing that our parents did,
the baby Boomers, was neglect us as children. And that's
why Gen X is such a fantastic generation is because
we were neglected as children. And the best possible way
it was just, you know, get out the door, you
do what you want, come home before it's dark or
after or whatever. There might be some food in the mircwave.

(01:22:49):
I feel lucky. You go for it. Love you, love
your self, reliance, love you, but you do you?

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
Was sort of the angle of parents, and also the
baby Boomer line, the greatest line of all time. When
you said that's not fear, they'd say life's not fear,
which is just the best comeback for anyone complaining ever.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Shuts it down very fast. So what do you say, oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty, do you think Generation
X is the most confident for those practical tasks or
do you think it is the Boomers? Or if you're
a millennial, do you want to try and defend yourself here?
Can you change a tire? Can you do these practical
skills that other generations seem to struggle with? Tell us
they eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call it. Is twelve past three US talk zid

(01:23:26):
be it is a quarter past three. So in recent
surveys found that New Zealanders trust Generation X the most
when it comes to practical skills like changing a tire.
What do you say to that? I eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty so number to call.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
I'm a big fan of Gen X being one, but
I think boomers are more practical, That's what I'd say.
I would say that boomers are much more practical. I
think it's fallen off a cliff massively after X. Ye,
someone says, can you please give us the exact years
of each generation? Can you give us? So Boomers ninety
forty five to nineteen sixty two? Right, yeah, So what

(01:24:01):
are the generation years? Exactly? What is Generation X?

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Let's have a look generation years. So Generation X nineteen
sixty five to ninety eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
Okay, so greatest generation nineteen oh one to nineteen twenty seven.
Not a lot of those left silent Generation one hundred
nineteen twenty eight to ninety forty five, Baby Boomers forty
six to sixty four, Generation X nineteen sixty five to
nineteen eighty, Millennials eighty one to ninety six, Gen Z
ninety seven to twenty twelve, Gen Alpha two thousand and

(01:24:35):
thirteen to twenty twenty four, Generation Beta twenty twenty five
to two thousand and thirty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
We're in to beta.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
That's the plan for beta. Okay, Beta are going to
run to thirty nine. But Gen X, who are the
ones that are most trusted to do things, practical things
such as change attire sixty five to nineteen eighty, So
those year years dinner.

Speaker 6 (01:24:59):
Hello, Now you've just blown my argument. I thought I
thought I'd given birth to four gen xs, but in fact,
now I understand I've given birth to for millennials.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
I saw, I saw, what are you going to say?
And I had my hopes up.

Speaker 6 (01:25:15):
I know, I know, But I do have a niece
who's a gen XA, and she's not practical at all.
She's got no idea about anything mechanical, how to raise children.
I mean, she was a woman who went to bath
her first baby and didn't realize she had to hold
his head up, you know, in the bars.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
Well, once he started spluttering, she realized that he couldn't
hold his head up. Yeah. But my millennials, I mean,
there's no argument, is there I don't even need to
tell you the stories about the Yeah, their lack of
knowledge of skills. I'll tell you one, shall I go on?
Because I raised I raised my children to know housework.

(01:25:59):
They all had chores and jobs to do. My first son,
when he was flatting, I went to help him move
from his flat and up the vacuum cleaner. The carpet
was disgusting, and his partner said, oh, it doesn't work anymore,
and I said, well, that's because it's full now. They
didn't know you had to empty a vacuum cleaner. I mean, really,

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none of them. None of them know how to file
a tax return. None of them really, not doublen now
like they're in thirty five to forty now. But you know,
they didn't know how to make proper food unless it
was instant noodles. You know, they're not very solutions focused.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
I think, well, to be full disclosure, Donna, when I
first moved out of home as a gen xer, I
moved into a flat and I tried to make pasta
and I tried to roast it. I didn't realize you
boiled the pasta.

Speaker 6 (01:26:55):
Wow, Oh, now here's another one. Now, this was definitely
a gen XA. When I had these babies, I had
a student nanny come to help me, you know, with
looking after the other children, because I had four children
in five years, or I had four under five actually,

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and she had no idea. She did not understand you
had to boil vegetables to make them soft, to mash
up to feed the toddler.

Speaker 15 (01:27:25):
And she was a bloody student nanny.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
She didn't know how to hang out clothes. I mean, honestly,
I mean, I don't think I'm I'm a ageist or
anything like that, but there's distinct differences between these generations
and it worries me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Now, Donna, let's just throw back. Where do you think
the problem lies with the skill shortage of millennials? Because,
as Matt said, gen X, you know, the boom appearents
just let gen X there was trust there that they
could go out and they'll figure it out and nothing's
going to go wrong. And then millennials start to fall
off a cliff if they're roasting pasta and they can't
they don't know how to hang out washing. So where

(01:28:04):
does the blame really lied on her?

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
Well, I know you're going to say the parents, I mean,
I think I can see it with the gen Zs
with my grandchildren, because their parents do everything.

Speaker 15 (01:28:16):
For them, including talk, and.

Speaker 6 (01:28:20):
Their children aren't allowed to move without them clearing all
the stuff out of the way in front of them.
I do think it is you know what it was.
I used to teach parenting skills, and in my generation
as boomers, we held our children within boundaries. If you
imagine that you're holding a child really tight, you know,

(01:28:40):
that's what happened for the Millennials and the gen Zs
and for us with the Gen x's, we kind of
we held our arms loosely, so they had a boundary. Yeah,
but they could still move and learn skills and be
independently thinking. Nowadays, I mean, these I call them snowflakes.

(01:29:01):
I think the gen zs are just like they can't
think or do anything for themselves.

Speaker 15 (01:29:06):
You know, it's a bit of a worry.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
Donor The six says, I'm a gen X and never
had food waiting in the microwave when we got home
because they hadn't invented it when we were kids. Changing
a car tire requires expensive training and specialized equipment. Changing
a spare wheel can be taught to any creature and
opposable thumbs. Henry, you can't be a gen xer. The
microwave was invented in nineteen forty five.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Mate.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
It was widely available, the first affordable ones in the
nineteen sixties ninety sixty seven. So if you're not a
gen xer, if you there wasn't food waiting, well, you
might be a gen xer if there wasn't food waiting
in the microwave. But you're not a gen xer if
the microwave hadn't been invented.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
They've been around for some time. I may come on, yeah,
Allison Holst, exactly, Yeah, thank you very much for your ticks, Henry,
keep them coming through. It is twenty one past three.
Will be back very shortly. But taking your calls, do
you think Generation X is the most capable to do
practical tasks? Tell us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
That Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Twenty four past three. So a new survey has found
that New Zealander's trust Generation X the most when it
comes to practical skills.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
The sixes. I don't reckon. The microwave was domesticated till
the early eighties. Yeah, well that would mean it would
be gen X because gen X that that is gen X, right,
so just because so you you're not just gen X
when you're born the gen X for your entire life.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
Yeah, So the microwave became very prevalent in New Zealand
in the late seventies and eighties when gen X, which
is from nineteen sixty five to nineteen eighty one, was
was going hard and having dinner put in the microwave
by their parents at home.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Yeah, because I'm adway point of that. You'd be ten
years old right in the early eighties.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
The generation you're born into is the generation you're with
your entire life, but you're not always going to be
young in that generation.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Very true.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
I'm a gen X that didn't grow up with the microwave.
My kids gen Z are very capable blame the parents.
I think that's such a good point Millennials, as this
Texas says, millennials didn't choose the time, all the conditions
that they were born into. But yet have they get
a heck of a lot of flak if they are
perceived as failures, and that's responsibly of those who came
before them. Agreed, if it takes a village to raise

(01:31:25):
a child, then the village has failed millennials and thereafter.
But I think a lot of the generational thing is
just age, because you go through ages, and when you're
a late teenager, you're a loose unit.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
You're a loose goose yep.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
As you get older, you learn lessons, so people forget
what they were like when they were nineteen and twenty
and twenty one. And so the millennials will be pretty
soon ragging on the gen zs.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
We've already started. We've already started.

Speaker 6 (01:31:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
So the boomers used to rag on the exes. Yeah,
they used to call them the slacker generation, right, Yeah,
and now they're the exes of aged into being the
practical ones.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
But you've read me out, you know, pieces from ancient
Romans who were having a credit the generation before. I mean,
there's been like that, The.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
Way the ancient Romans used to describe the young people
as the exact same way that people in their forties
and fifties describe young people.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Now, Yeah, Ben, what's your view view on this?

Speaker 15 (01:32:27):
Get you saw Lemil. So I would argue probably our
generation because when we first started growing up, computers were
only just starting to come out. Cell phones didn't really
become a thing until us sort of about eleven twelve.
So we still grew up with some practical skills. And

(01:32:47):
then the computer age started before we kicked in, and
so we had the best part of both worlds. So
we had, you know, the pre computer age and the
computer age. So yeah, I would say probably our generation is.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
The most practical. What about doing things like changing tires
and such.

Speaker 15 (01:33:07):
Ben Well, I grew up with you know, you learned
how to do stuff you've got caught by appearents. But
then I also grew up with YouTube came along and
every time I can carry was posting how to change
your CV joints, how to change your breakdown. And now
now if I want to do some work in my car,

(01:33:29):
I just watched a YouTube video made and then ten
minutes I know how to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
That's a very parent.

Speaker 15 (01:33:35):
Yeah, we've in my parents before me, they'd go read
a book, or phone up the local mechanic.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Or talk to a couple of people.

Speaker 15 (01:33:41):
Made in ten minutes, I know how to do it.
Just by watching a video. So I think, you know,
we've still got that practical sense.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Another, so you might not need to hold you may
not need to hold the information, but you know that
you've got access to it. But I think a lot
of people are so unpractical that they won't even try
to do something. You know, you're obviously a practical guy being,
so you'll give it a go. You'll go, well, I
don't know how to do it, but I'll learn how
to do it, and I'll do it. I think a
lot of people now are just like not even at

(01:34:09):
that state. They won't even they won't bother learn.

Speaker 15 (01:34:13):
Yeah, but I did. So I didn't grow up with
a computer and two like we got our fierst computer,
and I think I was about thirteen and then I
didn't give myself first cell phone tool. I was about
thirteen fourteen, because you know, my first cell phone, I
think it was a knock you twenty to eighty and
you could text and call and place makes two on
it and that's all you could do. Like, you didn't
have the Internet on your cell phone. You could download

(01:34:34):
ringtones and that's about it. So it's just basic stuff.
And so we still had that practical side growing up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Yeah, good on your been Yeah, interesting point.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
But I think it's there. There's always examples, right, So
the idea would be, as far as I'm concerned, right,
when I look at my dad and his brother, they
can knock up a shed, well, anything that needs to
be done, they can just knock it together.

Speaker 6 (01:34:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Incredible. Yeah, because they grow up on a farm and
you're that stuff. And then I think I'm less practical
than them, yep. And I think my kids are less
practical than me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
Yeah, and it will carry on.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Yeah, but there will always be outliers that are amazing, obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
But just on your previous point, I think that's part
of the problem. Is like, there's someone in my life
and I've tried to teach them how to check the
oil multiple times. We don't need to name names, but
there's someone in my life. There's there's someone and we're
not going to name her.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
It might not even be here, right, So this this
this particular lady change oil. Let's let's let's let's let's
not mention any names here. But it's like, and I've
got to be careful here, but you mention you know,
dogs are getting dumber because we do everything for them
because they don't need to figure it out themselves. It's
like you're in the nice here.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Let me finish my point and we'll see where I
end up here. I might not be going home. So
trying to teach a skill that someone is not interested
in learning because somebody else will do.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
It for them, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
So my life just doesn't want to learn.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Also with cars, now you don't you know, they're they're
they're they're less leaky than they used to be. You know,
my fiscal you know you're putting as much a will
in it as you were putting guests in it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
It's great for the oil industry at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
For now, you know, basically between services, you don't need
to change the oil for most cars, right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Yeah, very true. Great discussion. Thank you to everyone who
gave us a call and teach through on that. But
we're going to leave it there because coming up after
the headlines New Zealander of the.

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old son died in Auckland's Devenport. Court documents alled she
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(01:37:34):
full column at Enzidhrald dot co dot Nz. Now back
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Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
The Matteath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, You Zelander of the week.

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Ladies and gentlemen, men and women, boys and girls, welcome
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the noon's new Zealander of the week.

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So why are these woodlands so attractive to penguins?

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Some kiwis don't want a lot of fuss made about them,
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Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
This week a study found that the humble hoy hawk doesn't.

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Care for their expensive man made native reforestation projects. These
little fatties just kept marching straight through the fencing you
set ups and back into the paddocks where kind farmers
are hiffing out in nest boxes for them. These exceptionally cute,
no fuss huihors are basically saying to us humans, thanks
for the five star managed habitat mate, but I think

(01:38:47):
I'll stick with the sheep. That's the kind of can do,
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The penguins are winners and losers in sport.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
And then there is the most annoying loser of all time,
the Lucky Loser, which has thankfully lost for the last time.
This has been a complicated blight on Super Rugby ever
since someone overthought it into existence. For good news, the
energy vampire of the postseason is dead.

Speaker 27 (01:39:29):
Super Rugby has listened to its fans for once, and
for that they get a new Zealander of the Week award.
This week in Inflatable French, taire Man traveled all the
way to New Zealand and honored some of our finest restaurants.
This celebration of Kiwi excellence made the usual wingie said,

(01:39:52):
hate is angry and jealous, but who cares what they think?
Some hard working talent and Kiwis have created some great
restaurants and are.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Now globally recognized.

Speaker 28 (01:40:00):
Michelin's Star holders a great way to sell New Zealand
to the world and bring even more tourists down here
for a good old fashioned key we fleecing from Auckland.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
The Estate, Tyler Paris, Butta, mud Brick and Ahi from Wellington,
Johan Obistrow, Logan Brown and Ortigo.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
From christ in Art and Tassakel from Queenstown.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
Emmas Field, Kikar Rata Sherward and two stars for the
mighty essence Heroes of hospitality, powerful, talented and inspirational. And
now you have Michelin stars. But even more prestigiously you
are also Matt he and Tyler Adams Afternoons on news Dog.

Speaker 27 (01:40:42):
Z B New Zealanders of the Week, Take it away,
Sir Howard.

Speaker 8 (01:40:46):
Moreton, Christed King penguins right, so.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Why are these wooden so attracted to penguins?

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Mad and Tyler another fantastic Gwennafer New Zealander of the
Week Right Coming up next after one of the great
Test Series wins against England, we speak to Black Camp
Devon Conway.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
That is next, have a chat with the lads on
eighty eight. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons used talk Sibby.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
It is nineteen to four so one hundred he run
victory at Trent Bridge saw the black Caps complete one
of the great Test Series wins, fighting back from one
down to take the next two and bring the Crowthorpe
Trophy back to New Zealand. It was a massively eventful
Test series for Devin Conway, who not only brought up
his eighth Test century, but he also briefly flew home
mid series to welcome the birth of his second child

(01:42:28):
with his wife, and Devin Conway joins us on the
line now get a.

Speaker 21 (01:42:32):
Devon good Hey guys, thanks having me on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
Hey, congratulations on the second child. How was that flying
all the way home and then and then back again
in the middle of a Test series?

Speaker 21 (01:42:43):
Yeah, chures, Thanks, I'm yeah, it was pretty tiring, you know,
it's a long way across the ocean. Very grateful though
that he's gave me the opportunity to sort of look
back home mid series. Thankfully we had a nine day
break between tests, so it gave me that opportunity to
meet the wee one, which was pretty awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
Yeah, that is awesome. And what does this win, this
come from behind series when against England mean for you
guys massively? You know, I think.

Speaker 21 (01:43:11):
We certainly knew it was always going to be pretty
hard to beat England in England, but going down one
after that first test of bounce back winning a two
one was pretty special. I think for four of us
it was certainly a real team effort to achieve that golf.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
We had a couple of big retirements during that series,
obviously Ben Stokes but also Kine Williamson. How much will
he be missed by the team? Devin, Oh, massively.

Speaker 21 (01:43:34):
I mean, obviously one of the greats of news Inland cricket,
you know, one of the senior guys with the bat.
Obviously we've seen what he's done over a number of
years is special, you know for the group as a
leader and a guy to fall back on to just
to touch base with their things on quite going away
with the batch, just having that shoulder to lenin just
to you know, seek some advice and some wisdom. You know,

(01:43:55):
it's going to be certainly a big thing of missed
unfortunately within the group.

Speaker 6 (01:43:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
It was a typically humble way for him to go out,
wasn't it. He didn't make a big deal about it,
but look, I loved how in the midst of all
the drama with the English team, you guys just went
about your work. What was it like being in the
middle of that that big media storm.

Speaker 21 (01:44:13):
Yeah, it was pretty intense. I think, you know, it
all started happening towards the middle to the end of
day four. You know, I think we were watching it
and all of a sudden there was an announcement that
we noticed on the TV that you know, Ben Stokes
was playing his final international game, and you know, the
crowd sort of got wind of what was happening, and
you know, I sort of started to get behind him.
I think he was in two you know, ninth over

(01:44:35):
at that time or tenth over at that time. So, yeah,
it was it was a big afternoon. He buy me
army obviously getting ready behind their team and Beno Ben
Stokes in particular, So it was a lot going on.
But I think for us, you know, credit to Darryl
Mitchell for holding his nerves throughout the end the end
of that day's play to get us into a strong
position and then obviously what's ball in hand late in

(01:44:56):
that day sort of set us up for that final
day to get to win.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
How is Daryl mitchlite? So I saw some of those
pitches he took a lot to the body.

Speaker 21 (01:45:04):
Yeah, he certainly did.

Speaker 14 (01:45:06):
He sort of wore you.

Speaker 21 (01:45:07):
I mean, that's just the testament to his character and
you know what he gives to the team, and I
think he's not the only one that sort of walked
away with quite a lot of bruises unfortunately of that
test but you know, you know, massive credit to him.
He's that sort of guy that when he's put in
those positions, he's one of the fighters of the team.
So you know, he was thriving in that whole situation
and thankfully did it for the group.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
There was a lovely moment right at the end of
the series where you know, yourself and and the rest
of the team gave credit to Ben Stokes. Did you
manage to have a couple of beers with the guys
after the Ties series?

Speaker 21 (01:45:37):
Devin, Yes, certainly, we had a few, thankfully before twelve
o'clock their curfew, so it was it was a nice moment,
I think, you know, for being I think quite a
few of the guys within our group have played a
number of years against him and I was fortunate enough
to play a little bit of RPL cricket with him,
so we've got a good relationship with him. So we

(01:45:58):
certainly had a few beers in our change mature, which
was really nice at the end of that series, just
to sort of catch up and send him on his fairwell.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
New Zealand seems to have some kind of insane depth moment,
especially in bowling. All kinds of English commentators have been
marveling about how small our population is and domestic competition is,
and yet how much cover we have. What do you
think New Zealand and how do you think New Zealand
can keep just keeps just producing so many incredible players.

Speaker 21 (01:46:25):
To be honest, I actually don't know. It's hard to
answer that question. I think a lot of credits got
to go to our domestic circuit. You know, I think
it shows the level of players that are coming through
the domestic setup, you know, that are getting opportunities at
the international level and taking taking those opportunities with both hands.
You know, they aren't wrong in terms of the fact
that we have got a small player you know, call

(01:46:48):
of players to pick from. But you know, it's amazing
what these guys are doing when the opportunities are presenting themselves.
So massive credit to the bowling units, you know, as
a whole thing of six or seven of them.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
That really put their hands up throughout.

Speaker 21 (01:47:02):
That England series. You know, everyone had to sort of
stand up and pull their weight, you know, throughout that
series at particular times.

Speaker 6 (01:47:07):
So it was.

Speaker 21 (01:47:08):
Amazing to have everyone being involved in doing their job.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
We're talking to black Cap Devin Conways, so you guys
have a chance to do something only very few teams
have ever done, which is one a way to all
the Big three India, England and Australia coming up. Is
that something that's on your guys' sites.

Speaker 21 (01:47:29):
Not at this present moment. We know that series against Australia,
it's still quite a while away. I think quite a
lot of those fast botherers are certainly looking forward to
having a bit of a break and just giving their
bodies a bit of a rest. So but it will
be something that we will certainly look forward to. We
know we've got two tests against India prior to that

(01:47:49):
series that sort of puts us in a position to
do some real good prep work for that December period
against Australia. Way, so we are looking forward to it,
but at this present moment, sort of like having a
nice break and just sort of switching off from the game.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
Well thanks for all you do mate, love watching your bat,
love how the team is going, and all the best
for what's coming up.

Speaker 21 (01:48:07):
Thanks, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
Thanks having a chat with us at as black Cap
Devon Conway. It is thirteen to four.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks they'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
So Silverstone in the UK will host the four sprint
race of the twenty twenty six IF one season on Saturday.
New Zealand Time Meeting. Teams will have just one practice
session before the sprint qualifying, placing extra importance on getting
the car right from the outset. Joining us now as
New Zealand Premiere. If one reporter with the New Zealand
Herald Alex Powell, Gin Alex.

Speaker 29 (01:48:42):
Guys were getting got with the Premier at.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
Tag Yeah, you members of the Premier then the Premiership
now if one reporting what's what's the deal with Liam
and Arvid? Last Weekvid ignored team orders, it would seem
then dive bombed Liam. Does lin Blad need to pull
us hidden?

Speaker 15 (01:48:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:48:59):
I mean it sounds like they've really had words over
the last week to talk about it. Both of them
were asked about it on their overnight media rounds and
they said, it's all worked out, but you're right, I
mean looking at the outsider and you have to imagine
there probably is a bit of frustration on the Bude's side.
He was meant to be sort of the shiny new
toy for red Bull, that this is his rookie year.
He's going to go and he's going to get some
great results. Then eventually he'll step into that team when

(01:49:21):
maxistap and leaves. And when you put him and Liam
Lawson's side by side, it's very clear who the best
one is. Like Liam has been a bit of a
black sheep for red Bull this year because he's just
getting results that I'm sure they're grateful for them, but
he's not meant to be beating lim Glad like this.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
Yeah, well it's great to see. I absolutely love it now.
Sartan's normally a very fun track. I love it, look
look forward to it. But it could be interesting this
year with the new rigs, right, is it just going
to be a lot of a lot of management and
battery harvesting around the track?

Speaker 29 (01:49:53):
It is, And like I get what you're saying from
that that it is going to be quite frustrating. Overnight,
we had Ferando Alonzo, we had Lewis Hamilton come out
and say, I'm really not looking forward to this. But
that's for drivers on Fernando Alonso it's not. But for
drivers at the front of the field, I understand why
bed frustration. For drivers sort of in the middle of
the pack, that's a real opportunity that they could take

(01:50:14):
advantage of this and just you know, make full use
of their cars at a time where you know, the
so called front runners can't power, their cars are under lapse.
So for someone like Alen Lawson to just make it
about New Zealand for a change, this could be a
huge weekend. Like he does have a really good record
at Servis and he's won there in junior categories. So
I mean, I'm really looking forward to seeing how this

(01:50:34):
weekend unfaults.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
I love making it all about New Zealand. I love
doing that. So is it looking good for Liam to
get to get some more points the v carbs set
up for this particular track.

Speaker 29 (01:50:45):
Yeah, I don't know where the VCRB actually stands. I mean,
going off the constructors. They're sick at the moment. I
think that's actually there. Short of will they should be.
I think they probably are the fifth best car. You
look at where Alpin are and they are basically just
because of Pierre Gasley. You know that the second car
and Franco Colban is not performing where it should be.
So I think if they can sort of get it

(01:51:06):
all together, which they have done quite a lot over
last you know, three or four races, I think it's
all there for them to both have a good weekend,
which I mean at this time of the year when
teams will start to think about how they're going to
line up next year, that's going to be absolute gold
dust for Red Bull and for them Lawsome.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
Yeah, we're in Europe, so it's at the punishing end
of time zones for New Zealand viewership.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Yes, so the silver Stone I'm just even look at
the times now, So what are we looking at here
for the main race? Is that two am two a
year in New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (01:51:36):
Time?

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Bring it on? Yeah, Mett will be awake and I
know you will be two mates.

Speaker 29 (01:51:39):
Yeah we're texting me, yeah, yes, it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Yeah, bring it on, Alex. Good to see your mates.
You have great weekend and we'll catch you back here soon.

Speaker 29 (01:51:46):
Thanksbors you too.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
That is Alex Powell, New Zealand's premiere. If one reporter
with a New Zealand Herald, it is eleven to four.

Speaker 26 (01:51:54):
Thanks you mate.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
It'd be news talks, it'd be it is seven minutes
to four, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
That brings us to the end of the show. Thank
you so much for listening, and thanks so much for
all your calls and texts.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
Yes, and we get so many great calls from Kiwizi
every week that each week we pick a caller of
the Week. And earlier we were talking about the Mitchellin
Stars and Awards being bestowed on a heap of brilliant restaurants,
but it turned out some people were a bit negative
about the whole awards in the first place, until we
got a call from Jay who said, we all need

(01:52:34):
to get some perspective.

Speaker 23 (01:52:35):
It's a real success story for you know, a country
that's at the bottom of the globe getting all of
this recognition. You know, the New Zealand government. You know,
we need to spend money to make money. So if
it's going to cost five million or six million dollars
to bring in a heap of tourists to spend money,
then so be it. I think keewis we focused on
the negatives more than in the positives. When I saw

(01:52:56):
the news about that Sarmon restaurant that got a mitchellin
Star Tala, I was really happy me being some more
in Oss, really stoked for them. That just brings more
the South Pacific cuisine more to the world. So those awards,
it was really good achievement for New Zealand and the
restaurant in general.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
How good?

Speaker 4 (01:53:14):
All right said yes, the Sir Paul Holmes Broadcast of
the year, Heather Doopla see Ellen is up next and
she's joined by Michael laws oh On his has bid
for New Zealand first. That's after four pm.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
Lawsyes is back. Maybe he's got to get him first,
I suppose yep, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
He's announced his candidacy for New Zealand first. But right now, Tyler,
my good friend, why am I playing this nineteen eighty
one from Billie Idol.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Dancing with Myself? Why would you be playing this man?
I've got to get better at this right? Tell me?
Is there something in the lyrics?

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
So easy?

Speaker 6 (01:53:52):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Tell me?

Speaker 30 (01:53:54):
Because it was originally released by his band gen X
before he recorded it as a solo artist, So easy
and and gen X New Zealanders have been well.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
A survey claims that gen Xes are the most practical
when it comes to changing cars and stuff. Some survey, Oh,
they claims.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
That Yeah, okay, I back it. I should have got
that one, should have got that one.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
Interesting. So he released it with gen X in nineteen
eighty has banned, then re recorded in nine eighty one.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Great show.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
Yeah all right everyone you seem busy, will let you go.
We'll be back live nationwide from Monday afternoon until the end.
Givement tasted Kiwi go the a b scolm another trick?
Lets all right then?

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Okay, chance.

Speaker 11 (01:54:55):
The chance, sweat sweat Sweat sea.

Speaker 13 (01:55:27):
FLA FLA.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
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