Full Show Podcast: 03 June 2026

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 3rd of June 2026, Pegasus residents fight for their golf club. What happens when things change when you move to be close to a community resource that doesn't work out?

Then - 'Travel Math' - why we spend like crazy on holiday.

And to finish - scorpions at large - what crazy animal encounters have you had?

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good day to you, Welcome into today's show. It is
six past one and so good to have your company.
I hope you're doing pretty well. Matd Heath, how are
you doing?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Doing very well? Thank you? Tyler Adams, thank you for asking. Hey,
can I just big up myself and my son right now?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Please? This is on great music to go alongside this.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
So I've talked about this before. It's this fantastic New
Zealand app. I didn't know when I started using it
that it was actually developed by some Kiwis. It's called
The Conqueror. Conqueror Challenges is the name of the app, Yes,
and the Conqueror Virtual Challenges, And in it, you can
run across Middle Earth, Yes, among a whole lot of

(01:11):
other things. You do the Lord of the Rings trails.
And you know, you run just around your block or
near your house, but then you mark, you mark the
distances off the Lord of the Rings map. And you
make your way off across Middle Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
It's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
So my son Barry and I have been doing it.
And look, the reason why I'm playing the Minds of
Maria music from Lord of the Rings is because today
we just surpassed. We just got out of the Minds
of Maria. So that was four hundred and fifty kilometers
the two of us ran together. We run one day.
I run one day and he runs the next. Well,

(01:47):
it's such a good thing to do with your kids
because against a sort of gamifying fitness. And if you've
got a son like mine who wasn't massively sporty, one
son's really sporty. This one isn't that sporty, but he
is nerdy and he loves Lord of the Rings. So
organizing with him to run across this map has just
been so good.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
It's a genius idea. It's brilliant. And can I say, mate,
you're in the thick of it now. So you've got
through the Shy, You've got past Bree, you got through
the mines of Morior. Yeah, now it really gets gets real.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Our team the Cherry Farmers, because we're running as a team,
we're going all the way to Mount Doom to hiff
that ring in there. And the great thing about the
Conqueror app is they send you physical medals, yes, and
a physical one ring so you can run with. Each
of us have got a run one ring to run with,
and we're taking it all the way to hif it

(02:40):
into Mount Doom, which we maybe we'll just run up
Mount eat In that day and hif it down into
the crater or something.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
They are nice riggs as well. You brought your latest
one in yeah, and man it was good.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, So yeah, if you want to support the cherry farmers,
just actually posted a bit of a celebration to Matt
Heath and Seid my story on my Instagram page, just
to mention it for the second time today.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
But four hundred and fifty k. We said it to
have a headwind to make it a bit harder, because
the first couple of journeys out of the Shy we
did really quickly, so you can set it for a
head wind, so it's actually takes you longer. So I
think we ran further than it is actually on the
real if you can call it that Middle Earth map.
So four hundred and fifty k from Brie to get

(03:23):
out the other end of the Minds of Maria.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Great effort and as we know, the minds of Maria.
That was pretty tough for the for the fellowship, so
well done. You had to make it an extra bit challenging.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Mate, It's going to get even tougher. What's that bit
where is it? The death? Hellos know that's from Harry Potter,
the bit where you run and you know you don't
run but in the froto falls in and there's.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
All the swamp, the swamp with the deer. Yeah, terrifying. Yeah,
there is a name for it.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Someone to tell me that what that is on nineteen nineteen. Yeah,
but that's going to be terrifying. And you know, getting
through those gates you can find some.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
More rooms in Auckland. Yeah, yeah, plenty around. Well well
done mate, fantastic and go check it out. There's a
genius idea and run by a key we say, how
good conqueror challenges Right on to today show after three o'clock.
Want to have a chat about scorpions. This is after biosecurity.
We can keep that music running act it's quite uplifting.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Oh, John, me to keep it running?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, Okay, that makes me feel more powerful. Okay, so
biosecurity talking about scorpions, I think it works for this story.
Biosecurity in New Zealand is investigating after a scorpion was
discovered in Auckland, with official saying it is most likely
linked to overseas travel or important goods. So the fine
was made after this creature was spotted and reported, prompting
a response from biosecurity staff. Turns out MPI they weren't

(04:41):
as worried as maybe they should have been by the
scorpion and the reason why So this is from MPI.
They say that scorpions have a specific habitat and environment.
They like warm, dry environments, which means they can't easily
survive and call a wetter climate. Right, so it never
would have got far in New Zealand apparently right.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
So did the same thing if an anaconda got loose
in New Zealand. A couple of lions got loose in
thru back in the day. That's right, there's a documentary
on it, so I think it was in the So
lions were running around the waterfront, and so what's the
craziest flora and fauna you've ever come across Have you
ever seen one of those gowanas in Australia, I haven't.

(05:19):
They can be like two meters. That's that's freaky.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
That is dinosaur level. Yeah, yeah, that is after three o'clock,
looking forward to your thoughts on what's the craziest fauna
or flora you have discovered after two o'clock. Travel Mass.
We're going to get to this yesterday, but we didn't
quite get there, so we'll get into it after two o'clock.
This is a survey by money transfer company Wise. It
found almost half of Kiwi's say they spend in the

(05:42):
moment and worry later when they are on holiday, and
a similar numbers say the money doesn't feel real overseas.
So this is from spending expert and Hakenbar. She says
that overspending becomes really easy as a result of feel
good emotions when we're on holiday, getting the best of
logic and complexities. Also of managing money overseas well.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
That's the thing, because you go overseas right and you're like,
we're not going to be here again. So whatever the
budget is you throw out, you go come on, let's
buy that. Let's go out to that dinner. Let's take
that experience. Let's throw that money down the tourist trap
because you're over there right yeah, So whatever you budget,
you're going to spend so much.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
More exactly, So looking forward to your experiences on that
After two o'clock and right now we want to have
a chat about Pegasus golf Course. So this is after.
This is really helping with delivering these important stories that
are happening in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
At the moment, the volume of the minds of Maria
Music is all over the shop.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
So we would have a chat about residents and Pegasus.
So this is near christ Church. They are trying to
buy back their local golf course after it was sold
to develop a Wolfbrook who plans to rezone the land
for housing. So the golf course went into liquidation at
owed millions of dollars and was bought for a suspected
six to seven million dollars with a mortgage sale. The
developers saying it's no longer financially viable as a golf

(07:06):
course and they would like to start buildings and property
on that land. Now, locals have organized a community led
bid to take control of that land and preserve it.
As a key feature of the township. But it is
really kicked off worth Pegasus locals as soon as this
news came to light that Wolfbrook had come in and
purchased it and the developer has done nothing wrong here
at this stage. But the pushback on residents saying, hang

(07:29):
on a minute, we bought in this township because it
had this beautiful golf course that was always part of
how we envisioned the lifestyle and Pegasus, and now you've
taken it away.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, as you say, so this was a master
planned vision, wasn't it. Pegasus famously, and it included the
golf course as a central feature. It is, so a
lot of people moved there for that, so it's fundamentally
changes the character of the community. But equally, it's a
you know, private you know, the landowner surely should be

(08:00):
able to develop the property how they want, right, So
I mean, isn't it a tough one because there hasn't
Wolfbrook aren't do anything wrong. Some land has gone up
for sale at a very reasonable price. Yes, six seven
million dollars for seventy seven hectares, and Pegasus although it
would be less great because it won't have the golf course.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And apparently the man made lake in there or the
lake in there, I'm not sure if it's man made
has gone a bit rancidit use Davidson, Yes, yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
But.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, so you've moved there and that's changed. Yeah, it's yeah.
It's a bit of a tough one, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
There's a lot of gray in this one. So a
couple of things on this. I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Who do you think is right in
this situation when it comes to the pegas of golf course?
Do you feel for the residents? Do you feel for
the developer? Really keen to hear your views on that one.
But also, and we've already had a lot of texts
that this is quite common around New Zealand. Did you
move somewhere for a key draw card, a key attraction

(08:57):
only to see it later disappear? Oh, eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Sheer your experience?
Ninety two ninety two is the text. It is a
quarter past one. We'll be back very soon.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
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Speaker 2 (09:20):
It is eighteen pass once the residence in Pegasus near
christ Hips. They're mounting a push to buy back their
local golf course after it was sold to a developer.
So a couple of points on this. If you are
in Pegasus, what is the situation? How do you feel
about this? But broadly it raises the question have you
ever moved somewhere because of a nearby draw card only
to see it disappear later? A one hundred and eight
ten eighty is a number.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Kevin says, call it impdor. I'm using the proper Latin
pronunciation that there, using the W for the V. But
buyer beware. Let the buyer beware, says Kevin.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, I think there's a bit in there. But what
do you say? Nine two nine twos and being agrees
you buy a property at your own rust.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Unfortunately things change over time.
Businesses business you can't always double your capital. That's from Ben.
Welcome to the show, leone.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Hello, well, good, thank you. Firstly, want to say how
much how much I feel for the residence of Pegasus,
because that is not a nice situation to be in.
I live in Clarkville in a we road called Bayman's Road,

(10:31):
and we're currently undergoing a similar sort of thing where
we have not through no fold of our own, subsequent
to us buying lovely properties that we care for and
have bought in a nice, quiet rural space, we have
been subject to a change in that use of that space,

(10:54):
particularly our road, and our road has become a gravel
falled road. So it's and this has happened in other
parts of the country, and we know that through through
experience we have there is an effect of the value

(11:14):
of their properties. And we have propertly. One property for
sale on bayn AND's Road just went on before the
trucks started. And when I say truck, I mean that
was one every three minutes going past our properties on
a very quiet rural property the road. It probably came

(11:35):
on for sale and then the truck started and they
had to sale and purchase agreements fall through because of that.
So they cannot sell their home. They maybe they could
if they dropped the price, but they're older people. They
want to get out with their money and so they should.

(11:55):
So you know, there's just something FoST upon us through
no fold of their own and Pegasus, well, you know
a buyerbywhare that's all well and good, but they did
purchase with the thought that they have nice home on
a semi rural outlook, you know, the golf course outlook.
But I think that's going to have a hard argument,

(12:16):
which is unless they do something else, which I think
they are interessing it.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
So was there any pushback you could you were open
to you on the hall Its Road that's that's ripping
through your area.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, well yes, we have been working for some
months with a barrister. We're doing Asia barrister, and we've
been working with Wimac District Council, with Dan and his
team and also with he Can. He Can granted the
consent for the gravel to come out and Wymac agreed

(12:55):
that it. Well, they apparently say that they didn't need
to consider how that was going to affect the road,
so they just let it happen. But there's been a
major effect on that road, so and the other roads,
the roads in Clarkville. Essentially many people are affected by this.
So it's not a nice place to be. You've got

(13:16):
to be prepared for a big fight. Yeah, and we
are where we're at it, you know, and we're gonna
We're going to keep coming.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
But I feel for them.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
I don't know the area well, so as Clarkville. Is
that south of Kaipo, Yes, not too far, not too
far from Pegasus really not really.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
No, well, no, a few uk just over the Wymatte
Bridge on the wrist Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, so you guys have got Have you guys ever
gone up and played golf and Pegasus?

Speaker 6 (13:53):
I haven't too sly, not been a golfer, but I've
driven past it many times. I think it looks great,
you know, lovely bit of land. But yeah, full of houses.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's not a bad We shall be in precinct and
Pegasus these days, is there.

Speaker 8 (14:07):
Yeah, it's very good.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Lury restaurants. Yeah, I think meccas I've got a McDonald's. Now,
how good that is moving up in the world because
you've got Ravens down over the road as well, which
is going game busters. So the more than I look
into this, the thing that I think I keep coming
back to is the zoning. So at the moment it
is zoned or it's a special purpose zone, so that
means that just a golf course can be there, certainly

(14:30):
not housing, and it's the idea of rezoning it. And
I'm not blaming the god the developers that purchased this,
but that's the difference to me. Right that you buy
a property, you do your due diligence, you find out
where the zoning is, and whether some big, you know,
townhouses can go in front of you, all of that
sort of stuff. These people did their due diligence, and
then the zoning potentially gets changed. That to me is

(14:51):
where it crosses a line slightly.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Absolutely, And I don't know about the process for rezoning
areas of land, but I expect there should be a
fairly robust consultation with the effective parties on that before
it is granted a different zone, and maybe will find

(15:15):
that that's going to be your hope, the fine that's
going to be too tough. But then they'll just back
out because those consultations, and that's where the residents can
get up and say, you know, no way and put
forward their views. So hopefully that is what they may
be able to do. But yeah, you almost feel like

(15:37):
you're at the mercy of other people making decisions on
your behalf.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Leoni, thank you very much for your call and all
the best for your circumstance.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
So I've never been to Pegasus, but it has fascinated
me from when I first I think it would have
been like twenty sixteen. When I saw plans of Pegasus.
It seemed like some kind of dream paradise kind of
situation with the lake and such. Although here I'd love
to hear from people from Pegasus what state the lakers in,
because we've heard that the lake's not as great as
it was. But wouldn't the golf course be nearly that

(16:08):
that seventy seven hectares nearly be the exact same size
as Pegasus again.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Or good question. I mean it would be pretty close.
So there's about seventeen hundred properties within Pegasus or certainly sections,
so you're right, it would be dangerously close because it's
right at the front as you go into Pegasus and
beautiful brickwork and there was going to be gates at
one stage, and the golf course kind of meanders around
the side of it. But if you live in Pegasus,

(16:35):
really keen to hear from.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
You the sex. There's the problem is that Pegasu's golf
course was not profitable, so if the locals were supporting
the golf course, it wouldn't have been put up for sale,
am I right? Says And I'm not sure, but some
people are saying that that the golf course And I
don't know this, so this is just what some people
saying that the golf course was actually reasonably successful. But
there are other reasons why it went into receivership. Potentially

(16:59):
other business situation going on with other properties. I don't know,
but there are people saying that that it was well patronized.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, do you know, Please, by all means give us
a call O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
And on the broader question, did you move somewhere because
of an amenity a draw card only to see it disappear?
It is twenty six pass one beg fory.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Surely here yourself think it's the mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 9 (17:24):
There are a lot of exemptions here. What you're doing
with the law that stripped the voting rights from the
unelected folk at the Far North's District Council, Yes, it will.

Speaker 10 (17:31):
Very clearly, people who are not democratic elected to council
should not have voting rights when they just spend rate
payer money and we're fixing that change that problem.

Speaker 9 (17:39):
What proportion of unelected councilors across the country are going
to lose their voting rights because of this?

Speaker 10 (17:45):
We haven't got the exact number, but there are a
large number of committees across pretty much every council in
the country. It would be in the hundreds. The exact
numbers is not actually known because technically a council can
appoint and do this every day, you know, make these
changes quite regularly.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
But there's a lot hither duplusy Ellen on the mic
Hosking Breakfast fac tomorrow at six am with a Veda
Retirement Communities on News Talks, there'd.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Be twenty eight pass one. We're talking about the situation
and Pikass near Christus. The golf course has been sold
to a developer that would like to put up housing
and the residents are furious about it, and they're trying
to buy it back. So what do you say, Oh,
one hundred and eighteen eighty, get a boot.

Speaker 8 (18:21):
Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
See I mean you go for it.

Speaker 8 (18:24):
I I was just going to say, I've been a
member out there that Pegasus since the day it opened,
and I also worked out there for a year and
a half, two years just in the golf shop and
that kind of stuff. So I know a lot about
what's going on there.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Oh the very handy, thank you so much for real.

Speaker 8 (18:43):
So yeah, no problem was.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
It was it was the golf course. Was it busy?
Was it was it turning a profit?

Speaker 8 (18:52):
Okay, well I'm going to tell you. I'll explain that. Okay,
First of all, the answer to that was is it
was definitely turning a profit. At one time we had
almost six hundred members out there, so it was turning
a profit.

Speaker 11 (19:04):
But you, in my.

Speaker 8 (19:06):
Mind, the big problem that they had out there is
that the course was continuously owned by developers and they
didn't I don't think the developers really cared much about
the course. They were just taking money out of it,
and so it wasn't that that you know that it's
never been profitable.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
My whole thing.

Speaker 8 (19:26):
About this is is this is this was supposed to
be sold as a golf course. Yeah, there's a little
bit of property involved in it too, but it was
supposed to be sold as a golf course. And I
sit back and I look at this golf course, which
is many times been in the top ten golf courses
in the entire country here and said myself, what kind

(19:48):
of people would do this? Would care apart a beautiful
golf course? And were they not thinking about the residents
that were in there that is going to lose lots
and lots and lots of money because of this. And
as I went to the meeting last night, we don't
need we don't need more how there. The council doesn't

(20:11):
even care about how you know, you know, having more
houses there. And the other side of that too is
there's the tenant farmland all around it. Why would you
pick a beautiful, beautiful course like this.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
But if.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
The owner needs the money and they own the course,
then what can you really do? They don't they have
the right to sell it if they need it for
whatever reasons they need the money, don't they have the
right to sell it? Both Yeah, they just.

Speaker 8 (20:39):
Well I guess they do have a right to sell it.
But it wasn't it wasn't put on the market as
a let's build twenty five hundred homes. It was put
on the market as let's buy this golf course.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
I see, and you know, get it, get it going.

Speaker 8 (20:57):
And like I said, you know, this is just pep.
To me, this is just greed, you know, like like
if you if you've never been out to peg assist,
like you were saying, you need to go out there
and take a look at it. It's absolutely stunning out there.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
I'd love to tell you I've been fascinated with the
place for a long time. So just to get my
head around the size of things, because because when I
look at the map, the golf course seventy seven hectar
is that would be almost the size of Pegasus as
it is now. Again, wouldn't it be In terms of
a development, It's not.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
Quite as big as the town, you know, the town is,
but it's it's it's a good sized piece of property.
But it was developed with you know, the houses around
the golf course were people moved there because of the
golf course, not because and a lot of people moved
into town because of the golf course.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
You know.

Speaker 8 (21:49):
The lake was a good thing. The lakes had a
little bit of problems, you know, but mostly people moved
in there because it was a beautiful spot to be in.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, right, and so when it was so when it
was sold, so just to get what you're saying, when
it was sold it was sold with the idea from
the person that I owned that was selling it as
a golf course to continue as a golf course, is
what you're saying. But what's what's happened is it's been
sold as a golf course, but then the people that
have bought it have gone. Know this can be you know,

(22:20):
a thousand houses or whatever.

Speaker 8 (22:23):
Exactly, and like it's just I just don't understand it.
You know, Wolfbroke had to have known, you know, that
that's what this thing was supposed to be in the
first place. But like I said, there's a lot of
greed involved here too. Man, and I have lots and
lots of friends that live out in Pegasus, all around
that course, and I'm I'm very sad.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
About I mean, just quickly in defense of in defensive
wolfproc And I don't know the guys from what Wolfbrock.
I don't really know too much of the company, But
you know, developers get demonized a lot as some sort
of monopoly men are just coming in and destroying cities.
But I think generally in this case, they purchased this
it was a mortgage e sale, and why nobody else
picked it up probably says a lot about you know what.

(23:07):
You know, the few sure of that particular golf course, sadly,
but you can argue that what they wanted to do.
Whymuke at Eddy is a growing region. There's a lot
of development going out there, but more and more people
are moving out there, so you know, you can see
that argument that they were generally wanting to build homes
for people to move out there. Yes, they're going to
make a profit, but there is some good in that

(23:27):
as well.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Bill.

Speaker 8 (23:29):
There's nothing good about that because they could have picked
a thousand acres around the golf course and around Pegas's
to build homes on out there. Why would you do
that when you're you know, and tear up a beautiful
golf course that people pay to live on.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Oh think if your call Bill fair enough to Bill?
What do you say? Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty are you with? Bill? It is twenty six to
two headlines coming up? Then we're going to catch up
with the president of the Residents Association, begvery shortly. You're
listening to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
You've talked said headlines with your.

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Speaker 2 (25:15):
Thank you very much. Raileen twenty two to two, So
Pegasus Township, as we've been discussing discussing hopes to buy
back the golf course from developer Wolfbroocker Pact. Public meeting
was howld to listen to the district's mayor, local MPs
and others to discuss options going forward. Joining us now
is Pigass Residence Group President Matt James.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 13 (25:35):
Good after Can you tell us.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
The situation from your perspective as the Residence Group president.

Speaker 11 (25:43):
Matt, in terms of the news of last night.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Or the over Okay, okay, well let's go back then.
What so when the original owner sold the golf course,
was the expectation that would remain a golf course, Well.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
You can actually sell the golf golf course. He went
into liquidation. He went into liquidation because he didn't pay
his bills. The p and L for the golf courses
was solid and that's why we had as part of
the tender process, we had at least to operators, maybe
more golf operators who were prepared to invest because they
saw the opportunity within it.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
So what you're saying is that the golf course was profitable.
There was other reasons why it went into liquidation to
deal with other properties or other business problems.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (26:33):
Basically, Yeah, the earnings the previous only made. He didn't
pay his iod obligations and other people, so that the
actual and lying financials were fine.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
And what percentage of the town do you think moved
there because there was a golf course there?

Speaker 11 (26:52):
I think most people moved to Pegasus because of the
overall vibe of which the golf.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Course was pay Park.

Speaker 11 (27:00):
So we have the golf course, we had the lake,
We had this kind of leisurely recreational feel to the township.
So it's not exclusively that, but it was a big
draw cottage. You draw up drive at peckass that's one
of the first things you see Big Green Spaces is
a great community asset.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
So what does mortgage e sale? Because that's how wolf
got ahold of it?

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
What I can't understand, Matt, is at that point a
mortgage e sale it's usually floated.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Sometimes developers get a heads up, but it is primarily
public at that stage. Why wasn't it floated that this
was a real possibility and heads were put together to
try and get a hit of Wolfbrook?

Speaker 11 (27:41):
Well, Remember our understanding is Wolf came quite late to
the piece. There were absolutely community people working on performers
and then put pictures in. Remember, the mortogi process is
very very quick. The time needed for the whole package
to be put together is very limited. But we absolutely
had had an existing golf company from the Pumpson North

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and we had a local consortium bidding there. Now we
understand that they felt that they weren't given the chance
to up their bed. I can't I wasn't involved in
that process, but that's what I'm hearing, and that their
original bids but very very close to that which Wolf
bought the course for.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Do we have any idea because I'm hearing the number
six or seven million dollars, which doesn't seem a lot
for seventy seven acres.

Speaker 11 (28:30):
That's what I'm hearing too, I mean that was amount
of money we've been batted around. As I said, the
other bid is the golfers would bang on really close.
And so yeah, it's quite disappointing that we didn't give
the opportunity to maintain at the golf course.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
So what are your options now?

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Well, there are really twofold.

Speaker 11 (28:51):
So one is to try and open negotiations with wolf
Brook with the council's support. The council connected to a
body which would help bring people together to form a
strong bid and to put that over there. Of course
wolf be open to entertaining that as an option, and
at the end of the day they don't have to

(29:12):
excel it, but we would hope they might consider that.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (29:15):
The other adoption is to have our say in any
plan change process that goes forward the wolf Brookers, so
they want to use a fast track process.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Which is a concern to us because it.

Speaker 11 (29:27):
Limits some of the voices which are heard in the processes.
But as you you know, we've had a local mpage,
we had a local council, they're all very much in
our call. We've had a locally we we've got a
cremenoal support who to go forward and help us fight
that application process.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
But really they're de to options we have because.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
I seem so if I've got no idea on the
mass of it, but if you're saying seven, if there's
seventy seven hicct is and it's going to be developed
as properties, that seems like it could be well over
a thousand properties there. So the value of the lands,
you know, for Wolfbrook. Have they come along and gone, well,
we've got this incredible deal here, We've we've got for
seven million dollars, speculating we've got the ability to make

(30:09):
so much more money. So would you be negotiating with
them on how much money they could potentially make from
the situation or negotiating on how much they originally paid.

Speaker 11 (30:21):
Then the question is how much they can realize. Yeah,
there's a lot of restrictions on the use of that
land we have to challenge or have not challenge. You
have to consider whether to some extent, well took a
bit of a gamble. I don't know how much they're
aware of the restrictions on the land and the cultural
significance of the land, but I think that pass of

(30:43):
the land, even and at its best, would be a
lot less available for them to do developments on that
maybe they originally foresaw, and so that business case would
have to be challenged in my personal opinion.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Speaking of personal what would it mean to you personally
as a resident if this golf course disappeared.

Speaker 11 (31:06):
I'm not a golfer and I don't have a home on.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
The golf course. I've lived here.

Speaker 11 (31:12):
Locally for twenty three years and actually in Pegasus itself
since twenty nineteen. The reality is any change has a
huge impact on our general infrastructure.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
We have our.

Speaker 11 (31:24):
Roading, we have our schools both the challenges at the moment,
school practically full, our health centers practically full and taking
a waiting list. The roading now people are committing into
christ each in the morning is a big weight. It
to be a huge impact to us. Plus, people built
around the golf course with the knowledge that when they

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did their due diligence and had their limbs and everything,
there was protections in place. So they built their family homes,
they put their life savings in, they've put their retirement
funds into building something which was secured and that's no
longer the case. So it's really a truly whole of
Pegasus issue. We've hearing house sales falling through of the uncercertainty,

(32:07):
and that's not just around the golf course.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
That's throughout Pegasus.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Isn't it a similar situation though, met to Ravens down
across the road right, that's another major development that's going
through and Ravens would rather and undoubtedly those residents will
be utilizing the services of Pegas's township. So that's a
I mean, isn't that a wider growth problem within why
market eating?

Speaker 11 (32:31):
Well, No, because the Wymant District Council only last year
finalized their district plan, and in that district plan they
considered all the future needs for the next thirty odd
years and in terms of whether there be infrastructure needs,
commercial needs, or residential needs, that's already baked in, and
that was baked in in other places and not Pegasus.

(32:52):
The cel developments already consented and due to get underway.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
So the if you like, the.

Speaker 11 (33:00):
Pressure on our little township and it's surrounding areas is huge,
and that's why the council never plan to put it
where Favious would proposing, not raving through Wolfbrooker proposing.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
We're talking to Matt James, Pegasus Residence Group president, So realistically,
what do you think the chances of you tuning this
around are?

Speaker 11 (33:19):
Matt, Oh, I understand you wouldn't spend tenning out what's
with you?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
We like your confidence and all the very best because
it's a passionate group down there, but appreciate you coming
on the program. That is Matt James Pegasus Residence Group President.
So what do you say one hundred eighty ten eighty
year beck is one hundred percent confidence.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
And we've got Paul coming up next to who's got
a similar situation in his community.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Quarter to two a fresh take on took back.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons, have your say on
eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talks.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
There'd be when you teach coming through the six says,
just want to color for residents, want to stop fast
track and see a proper consultation process. Don't want to
buy as such land is not appropriate development with wetlands
and cultural significant of the wider side community needs to
have a voice and not be bypassed by fast track.
That's from Jack.

Speaker 14 (34:07):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
You've got a similar situation going.

Speaker 15 (34:10):
On, Oh extremely yeah, just on a much smaller scale
and it didn't include a golf course. So we are
part of a small rural community in total about fifty houses.
We had a situation where a one heck there part
of the surrounding land of the community which was put

(34:34):
up to sale by a large MW Zealand corporate that
owned owned all of it. It was actually part of
an existing golf course from many years ago, and that
land was purchased by a developer and they wanted to
put eleven different sites or eleven different properties on there,
just over one deck are of land. Now ninety percent

(34:58):
of the properties in our area holidays are permanent, and
it is very rural. It's it's very tight communit and
from what I've heard so far, from what you guys
are talking about today, the big thing that we got
out of it is the community does have a voice
and the council is required to listen to that community.

(35:21):
What we did we set up a community group and
we opposed the zoning change because that's the thing that
will have to happen.

Speaker 13 (35:30):
Currently.

Speaker 15 (35:30):
Willbook has purchased a rural property and they'll be going
to the council and asking them for a change in.

Speaker 13 (35:39):
The strict plan or whatever.

Speaker 15 (35:40):
It is to change that residential so that they are
able to develop those properties. And the council are always
going to look at it from the perspective of, oh,
we can make some money, We've got good rates, that's
going to be good good for the community. But that
is not always the case for us. We met with
the council sat around in the conference room and had

(36:04):
a six hour meeting with them along with the developers,
and put our case to them and the council. I
won't mention who it is, but the council were blown
away with the community support and we were able to
designate certain terms with the developers and it went from
eleven to four properties which we were happy with. We

(36:26):
were able to designate yet designates plantings, house types, size
of buildings on those properties and everything.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
So you've had a victory from your.

Speaker 15 (36:39):
Perspective, absolutely, and it's a community victory. And the thing
is that you know, the council are required to listen
to the community. This is a you know, I'm familiar
with Pegasus. I don't haven't spent any time there, but
I do know where it is and the community need
to get together and the council are required to listen
to the community.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Goot on your Paul, and congratulations to your community for
getting a good outcome there.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Well, it does sound like the community and Pigasus are
getting together. I think they had a big meeting last night.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
That's right, very passionate. What do you say though, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are you like Paul,
have you've got a similar situation. It is eight minutes
to two.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks be.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Five minutes to two. I've got to say I've learned
far more about Pegasus than I even you when I
lived down and crost Itch for a while.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, so I don't know Pegasus at all, but I've
been intrigued by it since the start, the idea of
a master planned township. And it sounds like they've got
a few problems with with the lake as well. Yes,
I've heard big problems, some kind of sunk boat in there.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that's pretty toxic.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah potentially. But you know, people brought into Pegasus expecting,
you know, greens, didn't they You drive past the golf
course when you go in, so that's what they're expecting,
not subdivisions. And I know fastback track. I was sort
of about fast track around roads and infrastructure projects, not
turning someone's view of a golf course into a turning

(38:09):
the ninth hole into a cold Sack. I guess that's
exactly it, but it's complex, so we'll we'll follow this
as it develops.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Absolutely, we're all great discussion and thank you to everyone
who called and text on that and all the very
best to you down and Pigasus will follow that up
right coming up after two o'clock when to have a
chat about travel maths. So a survey has just come
out saying that almost half of Kiwi spin far more
than they probably should on holiday.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
You've got it. You've got to blow the budget when
you're overseas, Karen the moment, because you're not going to
be back there again potentially, So just blow it all.
Let's go spin, spin, spin, max out the credit cards.
You'd be stupid not too.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Is there anything wrong with that? One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is an up to call a nine two
niney two is the TX great devy company. This afternoon
uses next.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Just a lot of big stories, the big issues, the
big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Said, be very good. Afternoons. You welcome back into the
shelter six pass two. Thanks very much for your company
I hope you having a great day. Let's discuss travel
mass So if you haven't heard this phrase before, this
is on the back of a survey by money transfer
company Wise. It's found almost half of kiwi's say they
spend in the moment and worry later. In a similar

(39:38):
number say money doesn't feel real when they're on holiday overseas.
So why does travel spending expert and he can't buy?
As she was on with Heather to Plee see Allen
yesterday morning, here's a little bit of what she had
to say.

Speaker 16 (39:51):
A lot of it stems from two things. It's a
combination of their emotional framing of travel, and then it's
the long and clashing with the complexities of managing money internationally.
So what this means is that travel is actually really
important to a whole bunch of kiwis almost you know,
eighty percent said is something that they genuinely look forward
to every year, and seventy percent said they've always got

(40:13):
a trip booked with the mates, so it makes getting
through life.

Speaker 11 (40:17):
A bit easier.

Speaker 16 (40:18):
But then the practical factors come into place here, which
means that you know when they're there and they really
like traveling, and because they're also using bank issued cards
and the complexities of managing moneys overseas, This overspend becomes
really easy because they're not actually spending in Kiwi dollars,
and because they don't have that understanding of their currencies overseas,

(40:39):
this leads to overspending.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
So there you go. So a couple of points they
made there. One was the feel good factor when you're
overseas and you're having a good time hopefully and you're
not well or in too much about the money side
of things. But then she talks about the complexities of
currency conversion comes into play as well.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
There was just an article on the news that I
just heard I overheard that sort of plays into this.
That was just on just saying that people that fly
a long way to New Zealand spend more. That the
further you've traveled, the more you spend. And I can
kind of understand that, because when you're overseas and you
don't feel like you're going to be there again for

(41:19):
a while, that's when you just go we might as
well do everything that's right. We might as well drink
the best wine, go to the best restaurants, do all
the you know, throw cash at all the tourist traps,
get on that helicopter trip to look at the city
from the sky, all those kind of things, because yeah,
you get into this as of just spending money, which

(41:40):
is very different from your day to day and so
something that you might borkat back home, you just go,
just splash the cash around your let's go. It's once
in a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Come on, yeah, it's those situations.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
We're making memories here.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
You only live once. So what do you say, I
wait on hundred and eighty ten eighty, What is the
biggest blowout that you've had on holiday? And was it
worth it? Be honest?

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, So like if you have a massive blowout on
a holiday and you're still paying it off for three years.
Because people talk about spending money on experiences ultimately being
more awarding than spending money on objects. So if you
if you that that you continue to enjoy a memory
more than you continue to enjoy an object. They have

(42:25):
all these kind of studies that show that. Right, So
if you're blown so much more than you budget for
on your holiday as over the time, do you just go, yeah,
that's good because because what I've bought is memories.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, yolo. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? A nine two ninety two is the text?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Could you do me your favorite titlant? Could you never
say yolo again? Yolo?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
It is Timasu thinks the last time this hour? Thanks mate,
no promises. Tim past.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty eight us talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Very good afternoons you. It is thirteen past two. So
we're talking about spending on holiday. A survey that's recently
come out says that almost half of us do it
when we're traveling, that we don't see money as real
when we're overseas. Effectively, we take the chance, but we're
in a beautiful spot to spend up large. So the
question we've got for you is what is the biggest
blowout you've had overseas and was it worth it in

(43:26):
the long run? Now, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is number to call.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I've got some audio that just came in from the news.
I think this pertains to it, but I just overheard
it at the corner of my ear well. I was
making a coffee before, so it may not relate.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Okay, you are more.

Speaker 15 (43:40):
Likely to push the boat out at dinner time.

Speaker 11 (43:42):
You're more likely maybe stretched for a helicopter.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Right, That's what it was spot on view people. So
people traveling a long way to get to New Zealand
are more likely to splurge. Grand View research Duarties Make
It's Luxury travel brought in more than eight billion dollars
last year to New Zealand and could be more than
double by twenty thirty three. Travel agency Luxury Escape says
New Zealand bookings are up forty percent year on year.

(44:05):
Wow Hotel Council Strategic director James Dulands is travelers from
the US or Europe already pay a lot for flights
and may as well keep spending. So that's the same
thing for New Zealand. It's because people that come a
long way to New Zealand, they'll spend a lot. But
a lot of the places we go are a long
way away. And this we're hit nipping over the goldie.
Most of the destinations that New Zealand go New Zealanders

(44:27):
go to are a long long way away. If you
go to Japan, if you go to Europe, if you
go to the United States. You're a long way from home,
so you might as well splurge the cash because there'll
be ages before you get back.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Right, Yeah, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Look, I'm not a big spender, you know that about me.
I pinch pennies all the time, but when it comes
to travel, so there's nothing worse when you go on
holiday and then you are crunching the numbers about whether
you can go out to a certain restaurant or you
can do a certain activity as oh, let me just
look at the budget. No, we can't afford to do that.
I mean, then you spend the whole holiday just stressing

(45:03):
out about whether you're blowing the budget instead of just
blowing the budget, and then that's tomorrow problem and you
figure it out when you get home. But what do
you say? Nine two niney two is the text number
as well?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Hi, boys, My partner and I spent eighteen hundred dollars
on a fourteen course degastation in the island of Sphalblad.
Is that Norway in twenty twenty five? Worth every cent?
What is do you get whale? If you spend if
I spent eighteen hundred dollars on a fourteen course degastation

(45:35):
and spa blood barred smile blood Spialbard.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
It's a good attempt.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Swalbard in Norway. I want I want whale on the menu.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
You'd expect it pretty much anything you'd ask for, you
do hope they deliver. Nine two nine two is the
text number. Keep those coming in. There's a few texts
coming through. But what is the biggest blowout you've had overseas?
And was it worth it in the long run? And
do you really worry when you're overseas? You might have
set a wee budget, but is it really that bad
if you overspend?

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Well?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
This text that says where is it? It was a
good text? No no, no, no, no, no no. Still paying
off a dream holiday, went crazy. Been in the for
five years since Italy.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Was it a nice trip to Italy?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Though, I don't know. That's all we're getting from this text.
Five nos, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no paying off a dream holiday. It's still paying off
a dream holiday, went crazy? Been in for five years
since Italy. Okay, Texas back with more details about what
you did in Italy?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
That got you in the Yeah, need more context, So
it's sixteen pass too. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. What was the biggest
blowout your head overseas? Was it worth it? And is
there anything wrong with blowing the budget when you're on holiday?

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Bag?

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Very surely, Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons, call oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Nineteen pass two. What is the most lavish thing that
you've done while on holiday? And was it worth it?
On the back of almost half of us spending too
much while we're on holiday.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
The six says, Hey, guys, love the show. I made
some amazing memories with my wife in New York. As
you said, it was always we will never be here again,
let's do it all. Spent over twice what we budgeted for.
Was it worth it? No? She has since been unfaithful
to me. Oh no, five years of horrible divorce proceedings.

(47:29):
I now hate those expensive memories. Okay, well that's a
bit of a downer.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
To be fair, it wasn't the holiday's fault, you know,
there was there was some rumblings going on there at
some stage and it certainly wasn't your fault, dear Texter.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
No, it sounds like it was your missus. Is an
ability to remain faithful that's a fault. Then not the holiday.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, don't blame the holiday.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Don't blame New York. No, don't blame the holiday. Blame
the unfaithful ex wife.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
She should have known better. One hundred and eighteen eighties
number to call get a erin.

Speaker 17 (47:58):
Yeah, good e.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Hey, so tell us your story.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yeah, so, when COVID hit, we were we were going
to do a big family trip and I came avan
around in North Island, but because COVID, we didn't want
to get locked down, so we decided to do the
South Island. And man, did we have some fun because
there was no tourists coming, and of course all the
tourists operations were all quiet. So we've got so many

(48:24):
good deals and we got helicopter rides onto the place
here and yeah, no, it was just really good fun.
And I recommend it. Why go overseas and spend all
that money and not I appreciate our country.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Yeah, there used to be the ad campaign, wasn't it,
don't leave town till you've seen the country. Wasn't that.
What do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Right?

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeah, it seems like I've my life lived in the
South Island for thirty years and I've seen places that
I didn't even know existed. So it was really eye
opening to me.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
And so and so you did the opposite. So you
had an incredible holiday, made some amazing memories, but didn't
smash the budget.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
We actually if we if we were to do all that,
we probably would have spent at least double you know,
if it was normal, normal touristy car if New.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Zealand tourists, if people want to have a holiday all
New Zealand's Justina's decide to have the holiday back here
in New Zealand, then our economy would be so much
better off because we come because we make a lot
of money from tourists coming here, but we also lose
a lot of money from New Zealanders loving the travel.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Exactly the conversation you were just having, isn't it. They
spend more when they're on holiday, whereas a few holiday
in New Zealand you still spend more. Yeah, because you're like, oh,
there's a jet boat. I'm like, I've never been on
a gip boat. Yeah, chiky, we budgy and it helps
local businesses.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Although when you what I always find now when I'm
traveling around New Zealand, whatever the event is, whatever the
thing that you're going to do, whatever the adventure the
activity is, when you go up there, it's so much
more than you can even while you're exaggerating in your mind.
You go up to pay for something and you're like,
oh my god, really yeah, that's nine hundred dollars. Yeah,

(50:03):
I thanks to you. Call Aaron, appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Sounds like a great trip. Wait, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call, and if you
want to send a text ninety two nine two. What
is the most lavish thing you've done while on holiday?
And was it worth it?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
My wife booked a hotel in New York for twelve
hundred right on Central Parks is Mike. About three days
into the stage. She looked physically ill and asked her
what's up. Turns out that was the nightly rate. But
as I said to her, we might only be here once.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, good on your Mike, live it up. Even if
the wife was looking a bit sick, We'll take Rebecca. Rebecca,
how are you this afternoon.

Speaker 18 (50:41):
I'm very well, thank tell you very good.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Keen to hear about your Amsterdam holiday?

Speaker 18 (50:46):
Yeah, yeah, So in the nineties I did eat for
the first time. I was in my sort of early twenties.

Speaker 11 (50:53):
And.

Speaker 18 (50:55):
I went with about about five k, which was, you know,
reasonable amount, but this strange rate willn't be great to London.
But I decided to pop over to Amsterdam and there
are a lot of things I hadn't.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Tried, and yes.

Speaker 18 (51:07):
Me about of three or four days and I stayed
two weeks and spent half my budget and it was
worth every penny.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Well when you say no regret when you said there
were things you hadn't tried, are we talking fungus? Fun guy,
we're talking.

Speaker 19 (51:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (51:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (51:23):
The list, you know, when four days turns into two weeks.

Speaker 17 (51:26):
It was quite a long list.

Speaker 11 (51:27):
It's a lot you could do that and yeah yeah,
some of them were legal.

Speaker 21 (51:31):
Yeah yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 18 (51:35):
It was absolutely amazing once the last time experience.

Speaker 17 (51:39):
Loved it.

Speaker 13 (51:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
I spent half my money.

Speaker 18 (51:42):
The other half was to go to a few other countries.
I went to London a bit earlier than expected, got
a job and a pub, you know, paid it off.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
It was it was with it, you know, a classic
key we story.

Speaker 18 (51:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, it was great.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
It was good time.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah yeah cool. Thank you very much for your call.
So great, great holiday and amps there and how can
you not when you're in Amsterdam. A couple of texts
coming through nine two nine two. This was kaday, guys.
I spent thirty five bucks on a six pack of
Max Gold and Queenstown about eight years ago, and I
still feel bad about that. I mean that's yeah, that's
a lot of money for Max Gold. How much thirty

(52:17):
five bucks for a six pack should have shopped around?

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Sure, shop around.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
You'll be paying that off for years. Hey boys, we're
due to Hey boys, were you to fly out this month?
Whet's sixty k on a VP exclusive suite for a
ten day cruise?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Now you're talking sixty k? Yeah, so I wit one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. What's the most lavish thing
that you've purchased while overseas or experience that you've done
and was it worth it? And a few takes coming
through saying all these people who tick up a holiday
on cards are idiots. I don't know about that? Is
it okay? To tick up a holiday on as debt.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Well, is it better to tick up a credit card
on a bunch of objects that you buy in your
life creature comforts, or is it better to go heavily
into debt if you're going to go heavily into debt
for experiences that you remember that for the rest of
your life, you know. So, you know, some people spend
their entire time paying off a red really expensive car
just so people think they're call yeah when they drive

(53:12):
in to work and park the car. But wouldn't it
be you know, arguably a better debt to have would
be just that most incredible trip to New.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
York experiences over staff. What do you say, Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
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Speaker 2 (54:43):
Thank you very much. Railing twenty nine pass too. So
the question we've put to you is what's the most
lavish thing you've done overseas and was it worth it?
On the back of almost half of us spending way
too much on holiday A one hundred eight ten eighties
and number to.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Call get a Josh, hey, hey, good thanks. What do
you reckon?

Speaker 13 (55:00):
I reason, tick it.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Up, take it out.

Speaker 13 (55:03):
I'm stuff Yep.

Speaker 20 (55:04):
Look, if you would have saved up for two years
to go on holiday, price is going to go up
by twenty percent. Anyway, you might as well go now,
put it on the credit card and deal with it later.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I like your thinking, Josh, bet inflation.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
So are we saying no budget it all, just go
and Spain or whatever.

Speaker 20 (55:22):
Well to an extent, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you definitely don't want to
be that person when you go on holiday and you've
set a budget, you've gone over the budget, and at
that point say right, holiday's over, We're not going out.
We're going to go stay in a backpack. Because you
can't do that, you can't stress out about money. So
I'm kind of with you, Josh, I mean, tick it up. Yes,
you come home to a mountain of debt.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
You're sort of that you'll figure it out, but how
does it feel? Or you come back and you're just
you know, you know, going through the grind of paying
off your debt every day, going to work back here in.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
New Zealand, you have the memories of how much you
lost in Las Vegas and being hungover and but stract
you'll be on the grind anyway.

Speaker 20 (56:01):
Yeah, you got to work for it anyway, and then
you know all this work and while prices are going up.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah, good good thinking, Josh, thank you, thank you so
much for your court.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yep, you've got to live it up stairs, Josh, do
you agree? O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
Is it a good idea to tick up the holiday
on the credit cards?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
The success? Maybe in New Zealand adventure businesses could offer
a standard discount to all New Zealand passport holders and
charge foreign passport holders more encourage Kiwis to see their
own country. Yeah, I mean, I mean that's that's the
thing that you're doing when you go around New Zealand.
And I'm a big big supporter of holiday with the
New Zealand and keeping the money in the economy. But

(56:37):
you are competing with people that are coming over here
with the powerful overseas dollars.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
So they and you know, a tourism off bread has
got to try and make as much money as they
can and fair enough. So they are going to charge
what people are willing to pay and people on holidays
from a further distance, as the study is found, willing
to spend more because they're further from home and be

(57:02):
the exchange rate is much better, so they're willing to
spend more. So you just you as Kiwi's traving and
the Queenstown for example, you're competing with them.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, fleece them. We've got them here, so so take
them for all they're worth?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Yeah, why not? Yeah? But what we sometimes get the
strays on the tourists, the tourist operass fleecing the tourists
that come to New Zealand. They will also just accidentally
fleece us as well.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah, what do you say though? One hundred and eighty
ten eighty get a clear. We have a chat with Clear. Hi, Hi,
how are you? What's your thoughts on picking up the holiday?

Speaker 22 (57:37):
So? I hate it? I don't I don't have any DIBt. No,
that's not sure. I have a student mind. But aside
from there, I don't like it, and I don't have
credit cards. I yeah, So I would just never even
contemplate going on a holiday without without being able to

(57:58):
pay for it, by got buying a latery item without
being able to pay for I would shave up first
and then hance the money to do it, because you
otherwise you're spending more because you're paying interest on your
credit card.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
It's a good point. So have you have you saved up?
Have you saved up for a lavish holiday?

Speaker 13 (58:19):
Though?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
So saved up the money in vance and gone away
and spread it around?

Speaker 13 (58:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (58:24):
Yeah, tons and tons When I was younger, Yeah, yeah,
in my youth, i'd save up and then i'd go
overseas and and I'd spend that money. And yeah, the
only time that I suppose you could say I had
a form of a debt was on I was coming
back from Italy and my dad said, I didn't have

(58:47):
one holiday before you, before your leave, and so he
paid for a trip to Egypt that was interest free.
So I had to pay it back when I came back,
but interest free. So yeah, yeah, you think that, But
you know, like if you're doing it on a credit card,
that's not interest for that's you're paying, that's like more

(59:11):
than what your holiday actually costs you.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
So if you walk past something you're in somewhere like Italy, right,
and you walk past something that's you hadn't thought of,
but it's an amazing experience. It's just popped up and
you and as you as you're looking around, you would go,
it's not part of the budget. I may never be
here again, but that's not part of the budget, so
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 22 (59:35):
So I guess I've always had savings, so I haven't
really I suppose I haven't had that kind of experience
where if I've walked past something and I go, God,
I really want to do that, Then I go, Okay,
so maybe I put that on my credit card, but
I've got the savings and the bank account to pay
that off as soon as the bill comes in.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
You're the buffer there.

Speaker 22 (59:56):
Then I don't. Yeah, I've got the buffer there, so
then I don't then, and then maybe next month I
miss out on something that I you know, because I'm
because I wanted to do that one really awesome thing
that came up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Yeah, well you go, Clear, So we've got to go
to the news. But look at that responsible Clear saving
it all up plenty in the bank before she goes
over there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Do you agree with Clear? Does that sound fun to you?
I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Have we done the headline break.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, well we're ahead of schedule, mate, are we we're
living it up. We are taking all this time up
on the credit card, so to speak. So wow, I've
just kept clear off for no reason. Yeah, sorry about that, clear,
but good strategy and good on you. We'll see what
people have to say about you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
I thought I thought you'd lost your mind, Tyler. I
was like, I saw your face, man, I thought, so
what are you doing? It's headlines for once. You've taken
another call at what are you doing? I thought you
I thought you'd gone insane?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
For once. I know what I'm doing, mate. I went
one hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call,
and we'll get so plenty of your tics that are
coming through. It is twenty five to three.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
And actually I've got some science that I'd like to
share with you next on spending on experiences as as
opposed to material objects and what brings greater happiness over time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Brilliant. That is coming up twenty five to three.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Sure I've played the headline.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah, positive, mate, hit it and see what happens. Well,
Frailin's not there. It's my fault.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Be twenty two to three, and we have been talking
about spending up large while you're on holiday and even
ticking the holiday up on credit and getting into debt.
Is it a good idea of one hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I'd just like to read you something from the book
A Lifeless Punishing Thirteen Ways to Love Your Life You've
Got by Matt Heath.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Good read that it's on an audio book as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, it's on Ado, but you can get that it's
moving up the charts through it on the charts and
wit calls when I was in the well deserved anyway,
it goes. A twenty twenty paper called spending on doing
promotes more moment to moment happiness than spending on having
outlined research conducted by a team led by a mid committe.

(01:02:04):
They split two six hundred and thirty five adults into
two groups. One group was the material group and the
other group the experiential group. The material group bought items
such as furniture, jewelry, and clothing. The other group went
to restaurants, sports games, and traveled and participated in various experiences.
Throughout the study. The researchers randomly texted participants to ask

(01:02:24):
them how they felt, and they found that happiness was
higher for the participants who consumed experiential purchases, much higher
than for those who consumed material ones, regardless of the
cost of the item. The participants were happier with experiential
purchases before, during, and after. The value of material things
seemed to diminish over time, while the value of experiences

(01:02:47):
seemed to grow in the remembering. As Kuma summed it up,
if you want to be happier, it might be wise
to shift your consumption away from material goods and more
to experiences that would likely lead to greater well being.
So there you go. If you splash the money around
on your holiday, then you're actually going to get more
in return in terms of your memories and your experience

(01:03:10):
at the time, beforehand, at the time and after. Then
if you buy objects.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Happiness dividend on the experiences. Chris, you've got a story
about a steak in Italy, Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 23 (01:03:23):
It's a fairly minor indulgence, but nonetheless the wife and
I did nine weeks, you know, lifetime sort of trip
recently for in Tuscany, mate, and southern part of Tuscany.
The Florentine steaks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Lovely, those the Florentine staks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
No heaven, yeah I haven't, but tell us more.

Speaker 23 (01:03:42):
Well, mate, I thought we'll have a little indulgence. So
we went to this upmarket trattoria restaurant with our best mates,
couple that we traveled with, and I ordered the Florentine.
I thought, the Florentine, but it's a fat steak, right,
and the guy came out, maitre den, He goes, do
you want this cut? It's about three and a half
inches thick, big hunk and meat one point five one

(01:04:05):
point six kilos it was in the end, but it's
like they're quite expensive. It was about eighty bucks eighty
euro rather about one hundred and sixty dollars a kilo,
so I'm looking at about two hundred and forty bucks.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Worth of beef.

Speaker 23 (01:04:16):
I thought, bugger, we'll have one. I was going to
split it with the wife. The off we go, we
order it. It comes out in due course with a
bit of fanfare from this flash restaurant. He cuts it
for me. Gives me the beef cutting knife for us
to use, and then away he goes. Get into it,
he says, on appetite whatever. So I start working on

(01:04:38):
the steak, you know, and the wife's looking at it.

Speaker 13 (01:04:40):
I'm looking at it.

Speaker 23 (01:04:41):
Chop the first bit off offered.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
It to her.

Speaker 23 (01:04:43):
She said, no, you trying to put it to my mouth.
You couldn't eat it. Why it was in bloody edible? Mate,
I don't know. I don't know, but I thought, what
you're kidding?

Speaker 19 (01:04:55):
Meat one point six?

Speaker 23 (01:04:57):
Well, mate, I said to him, I'll have it pretty
rare because I like it a bit blue and mooie,
and you know, it was pretty much cooked like that.
But for some reason, I've got a daffer. I see
to him, sorry, but I cannot eat this, and he goes, oh,
you know, very nice Italian gentleman. But anyway, no problem.

(01:05:17):
He says, no problem of a problem, and he said
he offers me something else. We got a rabbi that
came out in due course, and that was fantastic. But mate,
I was so grateful that he was happy for me
to return to the kese. I thought forty bucks worth
of beef.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
I mean, it's not normally you know, as New Zealanders,
we're not normally great at returning food or or putting
out when it's so great. But but when you spent
that kind of money, you can't. You kind of have to, right, Yeah,
that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm glad. The
rabbi was good.

Speaker 23 (01:05:55):
Yeah, the ribbuoy was great, and Netally is fantastic. They
love Kiwis because we've been there a couple of times
to help them out and they love us.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Besteka has this bistecca a la.

Speaker 13 (01:06:08):
That sounds pretty good to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Son in another life, It's like I took you back.

Speaker 24 (01:06:16):
Cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Yeah, great story, Thank you very much. I wan one
hundred eighty teen eighty. What was the most lavish thing
you purchased while on holiday overseas? And anything wrong with
ticking the credit card up? I wait one hundred eighty
teen eighty as the number to call get a John?
Hi there, How are you very good? What's your story?

Speaker 24 (01:06:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:06:34):
Well, a few years back, just before COVID, we decided
to spend a bit of money and with my wife
was very.

Speaker 14 (01:06:41):
Keen on.

Speaker 17 (01:06:44):
Rodeos, and so we went to the Calgary Stampede and
that was all extremely good. Were just carried on up
the Rockies and then down on the train down to
Vancouver and then on the boat up to Alaska. And
I thought, well, I won't tell them, I'll just see
if I can fly back in business class. So that

(01:07:07):
was a the upgraded me and my wife. My wife
doesn't travel very well, but dropped back and I said,
what do you think of the business class? She said,
I didn't like it? Oh no, yeah, that was all right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
What do you mean she didn't like the business class?
What didn't she like about it?

Speaker 17 (01:07:30):
She couldn't sleeps she's very there and she doesn't like flying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
But anyway, I mean if you can't sleep in business class,
then you're not going to be sleeping an economy either.

Speaker 17 (01:07:42):
Well that's right, And maybe she didn't have enough nips
before get the Yeah, that was that was rather nice.
But then the thing was, we've been back a year
or so. I said, I've never been to Milford. So
we drove down there and dropped the bus through to Milford. Well,

(01:08:04):
I was blowing away. We went all that way up
to Canada and the left. Yeah, and the scenery in
Milford was just absolutely wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Good John, I'm I'm there's a thing that you can
I've got this theory that it's risky to do unnecessary flights. Okay,
I'm not scared of flying, yes, but taking like a
little plane somewhere in a sort of tourist location, I
just feel like that's a good chance to get into
a sort of Richie Allen Stope situation, big bopper, kind

(01:08:35):
of Buddy Holly type situation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
So it's like a numbers game, you know, the more
you do it, the smaller the plane is. You're just
up in your chances of something happening.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
So Tracy and I are going on this holiday coming up,
and we're booking details, and she keeps trying to book
like strange little flights to weird little places to go
on cruises or a little bits. I'm like, do we
really need.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
To I've had my limit this year, Tracy.

Speaker 25 (01:08:57):
One.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Can't we just sort of rock up to a vineyard
and get steamed there? Do we really need to be
flying to these obscure locations just like we're I don't know,
we're risking risking at all?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah, luck with that, mate, right, your rolling the dice.
We're testing our luck. You're facing something. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call and
coming up, there's a text here that may or may
not serve as a bit of a warning to ticking
up a mess of holiday on the credit card.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Yeah, and I also want to share some important information
that Adam Sandler delivered on Saturday Night Live a few
years ago about going on holiday.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Brilliant that's coming up. It is fourteen to three, The issues.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way,
Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons, Newstalks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
EDB, Newstalks EDB. It is eleven two three. So what's
the most lavish thing you've done over seas and was
it worth it? I WoT one hundred and eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Eighty And here's that information from Adam Sandler. It was
a skitty did on SNL. And it's a good point
because when you go on holiday, like I know a
few people that have tried to save their relationships by
going on holiday, and it's not a good idea because
if you've got problems at home, you're not going to
solve them on a holiday. In fact, you're going to

(01:10:11):
blow up at each other and you'll be miserable as
you're spending a lot of money. In fact, if you're
having problems in your relationship and you're trying to solve
it with a holiday, you're going to have a massive
barney in the uber on the way to the airport
and then probably not talk to each other for most
of the flight there. So true, make up maybe a
day into the trip, and then just have several flare
ups across the trips. Risk. You got to make sure

(01:10:34):
because wherever you go, there you are. And that's kind
of the point of the skit. Here.

Speaker 26 (01:10:40):
Our tours will take you to the most beautiful places
on earth, hake the cliffs of the Amafi Coast, fish
with the Nats and Serrental do this, I don't know,
but remember you're still going to be you on vacation.
If you are sad where you are and then you
get on a plane to Italy, souse, you in Italy

(01:11:03):
will be the same sad you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
From before, just in a new place.

Speaker 26 (01:11:08):
If that makes sense. There's a lot of vacation can
do help you unlined see some different looking squirrels, but
it cannot fix deeper issues like how you behave in
group settings or your general baseline move. That's a job
for incremental lifestyle changes sustained over time. I want to

(01:11:31):
be very clear about what we can do for you.
We can take you on a height. We cannot turn
you into someone who likes hyping. It can take you
to the Italian riviera. We cannot make you feel comfortable
in a bathing sleep. We can provide the zip line.
We cannot give you the ability to say we and

(01:11:51):
mean it. You're not your system. We can provide you
with a wine tasting tour of Tuscany. We cannot change
why you drink or the person who become when you do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Okay, oh so good. If you say it at high,
you've gotta be saying on hold, Michael, you got a
bit of a story for us about a hemp festival.

Speaker 13 (01:12:14):
Yeah, we had.

Speaker 19 (01:12:15):
Our first cruise was an Alaskan cruise from Seattle to Vancouver,
and that alone was outstanding.

Speaker 13 (01:12:23):
There was one story.

Speaker 19 (01:12:23):
I went to at the restaurant actually and had a
misteak and lobster and been a typical key of I said, oh, yeah,
I have a piece of steak, and well, hell we
were lost in this big American guy beside me said,
are you only having one lobster and.

Speaker 11 (01:12:36):
Was just crazy.

Speaker 19 (01:12:37):
But anyway, we're in Seattle and my cousin works over
there in the labbed testa the marijuana and stuff. So
he said, look, there's a big hemp festival.

Speaker 13 (01:12:46):
It's pretty good. Come to this.

Speaker 19 (01:12:48):
So we went to it. One hundred and ten thousand
people sex, different bands playing, and so he gives us,
gives us a couple of joints. I don't really smoke now.
I stopped smoking twenty years ago, so the right had
we cover that and that was a good fun. We
didn't finish it without for dinner. We thought on the
way back, we're walking back into the hotel and thought,
would with it, we'll win finished this joint and and

(01:13:10):
we had we had no lighters, so we stopped these
young people who were smoking just cigarettes off. Can you
help us light our joint? And they did and it
looked at us all weird like and wasn't to ask that.
We realized that yes, it's legal to have malt Wan
and Seattle, but indoors not walking, not walking the streets.
Here we are walking around smoking a joint like bloody.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:13:30):
It was just great, great time.

Speaker 19 (01:13:33):
Seattle's great, great city.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Beautiful city, Seattle. That's a great story, Michael, thank you
very much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
That's kind of weird one, isn't it. Because in fact,
in Japan, when I was last in Japan, it was
okay to smoke inside cigarettes inside. You were smoking cigarettes inside,
but not outside, because the idea was you could leave
the inside, but you couldn't leave the outside, if you
know what I mean. So smoking at a bus stop
or smoking in the street was not okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
It was seen as impolite.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
And well, no, I think it was because the smoke
was everywhere. But if you were in into a into
a bar and people were smoking, you could just go, well,
I'll leave you, see what I'm saying. So all contained, Yes, yes,
because that is a funny idea that you can smoke
inside but not outside in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
One hundred and eighty ten, eighties number of call, ga Aleen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Oh sorry, Lynn, I turned your phone off accidentally. Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 27 (01:14:26):
Oh, thank you very much, and I'm glad that some
well I won't say that. That's probably not quite peace
to say on the radio, but anyway.

Speaker 22 (01:14:34):
Yes, it's great.

Speaker 13 (01:14:35):
Good to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yeah, good to talk now. W trigged lenn On what
you're going to say. But let's have a chat about
your trip to prude O Bay.

Speaker 27 (01:14:43):
Yeah. I did some traveling a few years ago and
was an Alaska and after being down in Ruby, which
was two and out fails down the Yukon, I came
back to Fairbanks and I booked a tour trip up
to prude O Bay because I've been watching ice road truckers,
you know, and it makes it look all dramatic and
like really really bad.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Chat go on home.

Speaker 27 (01:15:06):
It's great. So we went up over Edigan Past and
the Crown Range by far is ten times worth the
Natigan's Past going up and going down, and I even
missed the roller coasters, but I would say that on
a really horrible freezing day it's pretty bad. But we
got up to dead Horse and that I slashed out

(01:15:29):
on this side trip and it cost me two hundred
US for the night and dead Horse and all it
was were it's just some dong as. They had groups together.
They like shipping containers that have been made into accommodation
and communal showers. And it didn't even include breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I mean, I love just having a look at a
picture of dead Horse. Now she's it's pretty rustic, and
that's putting it nicely. There's not much going on.

Speaker 27 (01:15:56):
No, no, she's definitely a place that you won't find
a lot happening with no nightclubs. But they have to
as part of the consent for drilling up there around
Prudo Base for that oil, they have to take everything
out that they bring in, and that includes human waste, graywater, rubbish.
When they move the big drawing legs around to new sites,

(01:16:21):
they have to put rubber mats down for them to
roll over so that they don't damage the tundra. So
it's actually it's quite a really interesting trip up there
to see and what they're doing and the scale of things.
But it's the most expensive accommodation I've ever purchased in
my whole life, because they usually stay in hostels. And yeah, yeah,

(01:16:44):
but what it was worth It better than a couple
of steaks and a grofish.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah, nicely said, what an experience.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Well, as this Texas says, many people, as texta Cam says,
many people regret the things they didn't do. Many more
people regret the things they didn't do than the things
they did do. Let future deal with future problems love life.
You go, cam yeah, nicely, pot don't say that, don't
say what. Don't say it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Okay, I won't go I won't say it. Can I
say it a little bit?

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
No, don't say that. Right, great discussion. Thank you to
everybody who called a text on that. Coming up after
three o'clock, we're going to change tech. We want to
talk about scorpions. One was found in New Zealand. MPI
wasn't too concerned about that particular scorpion, but the question
of coffee was what was the weirdest flora or fauna
you have found? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

(01:17:33):
is and i'mber to call a nine two ninety two
is the text number. I'm going to say it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Matt, don't say it, Yollo.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
You only live once, man, loser.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
I ask you know so that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Said me, seven past three are very good afternoons you
thanks very much for giving us a lessen. Now, just
quickly before we get into this next topic, there's a
text here when I first heard.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Matt say, don't say it. I immediately started to text,
and how dare you? Matt never shut down your co
host and partner that way. Then you said, yolo, Tyler.
Next time, please take Matt's advice for the sake of
your listeners love the show, be better Tyler X.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Can I also say it? Didn't say it right? So
I'm going to give it one more time because I
yelled it, and you never yell their particular word. So
I'm just going to give it one more time. Here
we go, yolo.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
That's so that makes my skin crawl. I've never been
more angry in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
We're going to get that's recorded now and every time
you come in, we're just going to have that on repeat.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
So I clearly said at the start of the last hour,
please do not say that particular acronym. Yes you did,
and now you've said it's four times. Can I go
one more?

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Yellow right, Enough of that, So let's get into this this.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
He speaking of acronyms W two for one to haiti,
do we score a goal?

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
We must off If it was four to one, I
mean I gave up when I saw it was three nil.
Worth about fifteen minutes to go?

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Is that the curse of Tim Payne, Because of course
Tim pain was discovered by an Argentine influencer. Y let's
find the football player at the World Cup with the
least followers on Instagram. Wiped him up. I think he's
pushing five million followers. Now, Tim payin unreal and then
is the first outing of the all Whites. You know,
obviously it's just a warm up match, so you don't

(01:19:36):
want to play your best football or warm up. You
want to play an actual tournament. Yes, but it was
not pretty watching, was it?

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
And heads off to Haiti. But come on against Haiti.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
I mean Haiti. You know they have their struggles at home,
don't they.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
They do, They've got some problems Haiti, clearly not on
the football field.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Yeah, and look what we did to Chili. So what
we did to Chili amazing. What Haiti did to us.
Then it's hard to know where we actually sit in
the big picture going into the actual games. But it's
Tim payin see if he loses any followers exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Let's get into this story and it is a doozy.
So this was a scorpion that was found in New Zealand.
Biosecurity in New Zealand investigated and discovered that the scorpion
rather that was found in Auckland was indeed a scorpion.
They've got some theories about where this particular scorpion came
from in terms of the country, but the find was
made after the creature was spotted and reported response a

(01:20:31):
prompting rather that response who secured the insect and began
tracing how it entered the country. They believed that it
was a hitchhiker, whether via a tourist on an airplane
or jumping on a ship to get here, but they
weren't too worried about this particular scorpion. So npic is.
The scorpion species have a very specific habitat warm, dry
desert like which means they can't easily survive and call

(01:20:54):
it where to climate it's aka. They don't think it
would have got far in New Zealand even if it
was alive, It wouldn't have made it too far.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
But how many people would have killed before it died.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
It's a good point. It would have gone out fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
You think, did it have a is it a was
it a like a venomous? Is that the right word
for a scorpion. It appears it was. Did it have
a sting in its tails?

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
It did have a stinger, and it appears that it
could have done some damage if it lived long enough
to survive in our wet, humid climate. But the question
we've got for you is what is the most terrifying
interaction you've had with a foreign creature? Indeed, if you've
found a scorpion or a snake or a foreign spider
and something that you've got from from China or India

(01:21:33):
or anywhere else in the world, we're really keen to
hear from you. I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty, But
the most terrifying interaction with a foreign creature you've had.
We're very lucky in this country that we don't really
have terrifying creatures.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Yeah, we don't, do we. I mean, of course our
nearest neighbors, Australia, so many terrifying creatures. So are we
quick to see to deal with the terrifying creature because
we just don't have them?

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
So what do you do under those circumstances? I mean,
people freak out what white tail spiders?

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Actually? I won one hundred and eighty ten eighty white spider?
Is that a myth that they're dangerous?

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
I'm glad you asked that, because I've never got to
the bottom of it. If you know, I won one
hundred eighty ten eighty nine to nine two. Have they
got a bad wrap the old white tail? Or should
we smash everyone that we see come on through? I
want one hundred eighty ten eighties. The number to call
it as eleven past three. On news talks'd be fourteen
past three. So a scorpion was found in Auckland. Luckily
it didn't get too far because it doesn't do well

(01:22:30):
in our sort of climate. But what is the most
terrifying interaction you've had with a foreign creature? I eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
A nine two nine two is the text. Plenty of
calls coming through. Let's go to Steve. How are your
mates okay?

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
Guys?

Speaker 24 (01:22:46):
Well, I hope just a story. I spent a few
years on the Gold Coast building for a couple of
companies as a contract Anyway, I was working at a
place house in Sorrento Waters, which is a surface anyway.
I got there in the morning I got out of
my yute and I'm looking up the footpath. I thought, man,
that's an looking doll, you knowing at me front high.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
The hell was that?

Speaker 24 (01:23:10):
Then it started walking towards me and it came sideways
and it was a massive goanna.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
It was huge.

Speaker 24 (01:23:16):
It was the best part of one, at least one
and a half meters long.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
They are terrifying. I'm surprised there's not more of a
big deal about them. They're like Kimodo dragons.

Speaker 24 (01:23:26):
Yeah, you know if you if you had to come
across one in a field somewhere, you know what you
should never do? What stand still?

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Right?

Speaker 24 (01:23:35):
Is the so you think because you think you are
treeing or run up you so you run around circles?

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Well, are they dangerous? Like they're terrifying?

Speaker 24 (01:23:43):
Man, you were going to see the claws on them?

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Would they have a cree? Would they if they got?

Speaker 24 (01:23:49):
Ye at the upset and he's going to He's not
going to sit there and roll over, is he? I
was working another house up in the back of northern
New South Wales and I'd go and do some maintenance
on this house, right, and the boss and I'll leave
the ladder out for you. So I got around to
this house we built about six months earlier. There's no
ladder and all look at fine was a bench to

(01:24:10):
stand on. So I stood on this bench and I
put my hand up onto the parapet of the roof
parpet to pull myself up right. I got it halfway up,
and I'm looking at cross this roof. I'm thinking, where's
my hand gone? I quit see my hand and then
I realized that I was a huntsman spider who would
straddle the top of my hand. So I had my
hand and actually disappeared under the spider. Well, they get

(01:24:34):
up to almost the size of the dinner plate. They're huge.
And then anyway, I crapped myself jumped off the roof,
then on the grass. The then spider fell beside me right,
So I picked up a shovel to give it a smack,
and as I hit it, I grabbed the shovel off
me and foot in the bush. These are this spider
has got real attitude.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Wow, because because you can get a huntsman in New Zealand. Right,
that's the Evandale spider. But there are they they're not?

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Are they ve?

Speaker 24 (01:25:06):
Yeah? They're not like they here's the one bitch you
know about it. Yeah, but there's I think that's a
simmer take on the treancelor. But the one the biggest
spiders in the actually this is the biggest spider.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
I mean, if your hand disappears under a spider, it
doesn't matter if it's venice or no. That's terrifying.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:25:27):
Does all the how does I worked on mainly was
in the bush work for it. So every time the
morning we had arrived the facing we ever did give
the wood pilor kick see what crawled out. And in
this house particularly had this really nasty red belly black
snake that was always hanging around there. You know it.

(01:25:47):
He had come out warm myself up there to spin
the bush. And you know, so that are a nasty thing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
As well, the red belly. Yeah, that's just that that
red streak underneath them just makes them. Yea evil that.

Speaker 24 (01:25:59):
Looks evil they do, man, And you look at the head,
the way they head, the shape and the way they
look at you than horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Some things can you spoil the more? That's what breaks
out about snakes. I always think that the well head
in the camouflage, if you step on one by accident.
Very easy to do. I don't know. Can you spot them?
Can you hear them hissing?

Speaker 24 (01:26:17):
Well, they just don't want you to hear a hissing. Yeah,
you'll probably do a bit more hissing than he would.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Well, so it's good to have your home with you safe, Steve.

Speaker 24 (01:26:31):
Oh this yeah, this is like this is I can
tell them one thing I did at home though. I
was had the house in Glenfield and I was doilding
a basement under the house, right, so I had to
do the bullets from the lounge and bull a staircase
down to the basement. I was twitting it out one
morning line and better heard this rattled rattle the hell there?
I was half asleep, and I walked down the hallway

(01:26:52):
and in front of the pantry was a couple of
things that had fallen out. So opened the door of
the pantry and I'm standing looking at the pantry and
about two inches in front of me was a rat
sitting there on the shelf. So I just backed off
and the rat was started walking it's way down the
steps of the pantry, down the shelves kind of gets out.

(01:27:15):
He shocked in my league I couldn't hit him with
the white fanburgers too quick.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah, I mean we're not safe from rats here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
No, I mean the rat kind of looked at you,
Steve and said it's my pantry now. And fair enough
to one hundred and eighty ten Eightyes, number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
So the red valleed black snake is venomous but not
life threatening to humans. There are no recorded human fatalities,
so they look terrible, but a bite will cause significant illness, pain,
and localized tissue damage. So you don't want to get
bitten by a red ballaied black snake.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Keep those calls
coming through. A one hundred and eighty ten eighty What
was your scariest running with an exotic animal? And coming up,
we're gonna have a chat with Alistair who had an
encan encounter with a pack of wolves.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Yeah, and we're also going to talk to a gentleman
that had a run in with two lions in doesn't
sound real, yeah, but it's true. There were lions loose
and point the six is pretty pretty freaking spider and
some bananas a few years back looked like a full
Spider Man situation. It was red on the tail. What

(01:28:21):
spiders don't have tails? If you if spider's got a tail,
it's not a spider.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Yeah, that is definitely a spider Man situation, some sort
of mutant spider.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
I didn't deal with this situation sensibly screened. My wife
ran away as well. Ten year old son killed it
with a jandle okay. Should have sent it to math
to find out what it was, but didn't, so.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
We should took it down. Keep those things coming through
nine two nine two. It is twenty past three.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
As a spider with the tailor scorpion might be.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Twenty two past three. What's the most terrifying Encounty You've
had with a foreign creature? Oh, eight hundred eighty eighty
is another to girl.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
The six is. I got it one morning in our
house in Balle. I need to find a come moto
dragon eating the catfish in our pond. It's about six
feet long, So I got the dogs inside, opened the
main gate and let it out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Yeah, good call to get a track and do its thing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Yeah. Kimodo dragon v dog. The Kimodo Dragon's going to
win that every time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yeah, Alistair, what's your story?

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
How are we doing? Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:29:28):
My wife and I were traveling in Italy a few
years back and we've hired a car. We're driven all
the way around from Marseille, and we were leaving a
villa that we were staying in Tuscan and he driving
down to Rome on the final leg of our road
trip and Italian GPS being watered is it took us
down this back country road and we were down The
road was so rough. We were down about like traveling

(01:29:48):
ten or fifteen kilometers an hour. It was so rough.
And we came around a corner. My wife looks down
in the field. She's in the right handsie of the
Coli sand drive car. She sees these three big dogs
and she said, oh wow, look at those beautiful dogs.
All they're nice no farm around. Well, very strange. Drove
on about another kilometer. We're still only doing about ten
kilometers an hour on the road because it was so rough,
and three more of these things came bounding out of

(01:30:10):
the undergrowth, and you know, instinct, I hit the brakes.
Next thing one of these things is up at my
window sort of, and I was looking down this wolve's
throat from about two inches away. No one was round
on my wife's side of the car, and she just
had put your foot down and we rolled away. What
the hell was that?

Speaker 5 (01:30:28):
And we looked it up.

Speaker 28 (01:30:29):
We googled it later on. Are there wolves in Tuscany?

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
Yes?

Speaker 28 (01:30:31):
They are now. The funny thing about it was when
we were in Marseille, I had toyed with the idea
of getting it convertible.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
That would have been an experience. So how big were
these wolves? I mean it must have been pretty big
if it came up to the window large alsation.

Speaker 28 (01:30:46):
Yeah, that went pretty big, you know, Like you were said,
she's standing at pause against the car and I was
looking down his throat.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Clearly you'd got pretty close to the den. If you
had a couple that kind of gave you, hey, you
don't want to come down here, and then yet another
three come at you, yd you'd had their territory.

Speaker 28 (01:31:04):
We were just driving down the road.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
I'd see.

Speaker 28 (01:31:05):
One very good thing about that particular incident though, was
I was I was wearing brown trousers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Bets Alistair. That's a great story. Thank you very much
for your phone call. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number. What's the most terrifying in the county
you've had with a foreign animal? Nine to nine two
is the text.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
John says, lads love the show. Many moons ago. I
lived in the Middle East where we had scorpion killers.
A spider that will take to a scorpion until it's
no more. Wow. There was an archaeological dig going on
close by, and some poor American with very baggy shorts
fell asleep in the sun, only for a scorpion killer
to climb up his leg.

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
He woke up with a start, jumped up, and the
credit then went for his two Yankee doodle dandies. Wow,
he's got two of those. Maybe they'd be the other part.
Maybe he's talking about the back wheels. Got a long story,
short hospital. You don't want that d.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
No, no, you don't want I mean anything that can
take out a scorpion. So the predator of a scorpion
then then has a go at your downstairs operation. That's
that's a bad time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
You don't want a scorpion up your business too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
That's a lesson learned, I think for that gentlemen. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We have a chat with Glenn. How are you doing, Glenn?

Speaker 25 (01:32:11):
Good, good afternoon. Yeah, a couple of snake encounters and
the first one is in Australia on the Sunshine Coast
and i'd park, I'd hire a car diver tourist thing
parked up near near a chain link fence and I
saw a few curious looking locals and I hopped out
of a car and standing out a foot away from

(01:32:31):
my front word was a carpet python and it was
caught in the chain lit fencing and I sort of
backed out really really cautiously. It was a beautiful looking
thing too. It's about two and a half meters long.
And I backed out really cautiously, and the locals looked
at me and last, is it, mate? It's only a carfee?

Speaker 5 (01:32:51):
What are you you?

Speaker 25 (01:32:53):
Augis have a really blase attitude towards wildlifeuse. I guess
because they're used to it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Yeah, there are a different breed over there. So the
carpet python, I'm just having a look. It's a monster.
I mean, it's not poisonous, but it could do some damage, right,
I could.

Speaker 25 (01:33:06):
Do something bit you'd yeah, you'd get you know, did
take a while to get the jaws out of you,
and you know they could wrap yourselves around and do
a bit of damage.

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
But they're beautiful looking snake. Yeah, And you know it's
part of.

Speaker 25 (01:33:18):
Me one that to just stand there and stare at it,
and the other part of wanted to walk away cautiously.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
But the thing with snakes, genuinely, they don't chase you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
They don't chase.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
They don't chase you do they just jump an attack
and then if it doesn't work out their birds.

Speaker 25 (01:33:35):
Enough, No, they're their first instinct is to try and
get away right right. The ones eastern browns, which are
they respond to movements. If you dance around, if you jump,
they will respond to that and perhaps ever go to
But most snakes that I know of that i've sort
of been, you know, heard around and my experiences in

(01:33:56):
Taiwan as well, seeing a viper in the middle of
the basket south from the middle of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
The road, right and you stayed well away from that viper.

Speaker 25 (01:34:06):
Yeah, yeah, are quite far. Brown snakes are really really quick.
So have you disturbed them, Chances are they'll take a
swipe at you and win and they're there, we could
be poisonous their tracks.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
I mean, there's some friends in Melbourne and they keep
going on about the brown snake. That's the one to
worry about. All the other snakes didn't worry about that.
The brown snake was the one to look out for,
and that probably probably tracks.

Speaker 25 (01:34:29):
It is quite aggressive, it will respond to movement.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Terrifying. Yeah, Glenn, thank you very much for giving us
a call.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
The sex says, Hey, I was on a ship at
the Chelsea sugar factory when we saw clear evidence that
there was a snake somewhere on the vessel. We could
see its tracks through the sugar. Wow, what a mystery.
We called by a security who attended the and they
identified the type of snake and its sex from the tracks.
I'm pretty sure they even knew its name. They asked
if we could keep an eye open for this hissing

(01:35:00):
sid and if we saw it, to give them a
call and go nowhere there. I could not get off
that quick enough. The stuff is what horror movies are
made of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Well, great story. That's Terraport factory. Yes, said the snake.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to cour what's the most terrifying in county you've had
with a foreign animal?

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
And next we're going to talk to someone who witnessed
the lions that got loose.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Thank you very much, Rayllan. So we've been talking about
terrifying counters with exotic creatures. On the line now is
Kent Briggs. He's the director of Who Killed Lucy the
Poodle documentary series about the day three lines managed to
escape and run a mock in Rotorua, Kent afternoon, to
you good guys here you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Going very good. So there's been a bit of talk
about a scorpion running a mark, but that's nothing on lions.
You don't expect to see lions running around the central plateaus.
So tell us the story, Ken, How did it all happen?

Speaker 13 (01:37:21):
Oh, chriky, don't well, stepan. It was back in the eighties,
a beautiful summer's day. It was a sold out mat
made performance of the Whirling Brothers circus and my brother
and I were heading off there as our first unaccompanied
excursion on the school holidays and we rocked on down there.

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We'd heard on the radio that morning that the lions
someone had fed the bosses performing circus poodle to the
lion Lucy and yeah Lucy and an act of sabotage.
So we heard this and we went in with us
knowing this, and we sat down took our seats. The
first act was the lions. They came out and they
were kind of back chatting the lion tamer, the famous

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Toiny Ratcliffe. They were playing up, but he got through
the act and they did the final thing. It was
a circular cage and they were running around the lion
tamer in a circle and the cage is kind of flexing,
and then the door just popped open and out pomped
three fully grown lions. The male lion, in spectacular fashion,

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came out of the cage across the center of the
ring and leapt through the side of the tent. There
were people there were people who were looking for free
like who had been looking underneath, who scattered, and then
the lionesses came out and they just slowly sort of
stalked under the teared seating. It was freaky, yeah, and

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all these circus people sort of came out with improvised
lion taming instruments, iness of chairs and sects and whatever
they could get. Lines disappeared. I was left there with
my looking to my ten year old brother. I was
seven for guy I to do in this situation. And
we held tight and about after about five ten minutes,

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which seemed like forever, a voice came over the PA
and said, make your way out of the circus and
home and in orderly fashion, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
It feels like the circus was a safer place to
be than making your way home.

Speaker 13 (01:39:36):
Yeah. Well, you know, my brother, my brother, he nutted up,
as they say, and he said, let's go, and we
took off. We ran back through about three blocks of
to my mum's shop, which was Shimsham, the eighties fashion shop,
which is another wild story in itself, but we expected

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lines to leap out of every you know, shop doorway
and from behind every car.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
It was.

Speaker 13 (01:40:02):
It was surreal and bloody awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
And how long were the how the because you know,
you got basically lions walking along the through a waterfront.
How long were they?

Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
How how long were they on the lamb? How long
were they on the loose these lines.

Speaker 13 (01:40:17):
They were, they were at large for a good two
and a half hours.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
It's a good John. Yeah, sorry mate, I just said
there's a good John two and a half hours.

Speaker 13 (01:40:28):
It's a bloody good John there. And look there with
some of these absolute legends that I could not track
down for level money. Who chased them on being X bikes.
They chased a couple of the lions. The one of
the cops crashed into a line. We tried to actually
track down a photo of the cop car crashing into
the line the lion Nearborn. And yeah, they got they

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got the they got the girls in and then sam Bezi,
who was the dangerous male, ended up crawling under the
Queen Elizabeth Hospital under there, and they sent the circus under.
They set up a cage where the X it was
and the circus owner jumped in that cage. The guided

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into the bigger cage, but he sent his wife Michelle
under the ploy bait a sniper on the line and
they managed to get it out.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
So yeah, wow, And so the lions didn't didn't attack
anyone in their in their little you know roll around.
They well behaved, very.

Speaker 13 (01:41:36):
Polite, very well behaved.

Speaker 24 (01:41:37):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
And what an amazing stories. So they weren't in trouble
when they because one of them got hit by a
police car obviously, But apart from that were the lions okay,
And they weren't in trouble no one. No one was
calling for them to be put down or anything. They
just returned to the circus and was told to maybe
tighten their security or something.

Speaker 13 (01:41:58):
I got to say, mate, the more I found out
about the circus, the.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
More it was a circus.

Speaker 13 (01:42:03):
Just another day in the life, mate, And did you quite.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Did you ever get to the bottom of what happened
to Lucy the Dog?

Speaker 13 (01:42:13):
Mate? Look the documentary and some real spectacular characters, and
there were three long there were three really good hard threats,
if you know what I mean. And I'll leave it
at that because it's worth watch.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
Yeah, where can people see who killed Lucy the Poodle?

Speaker 13 (01:42:35):
Well, it was on TV and Z for a long time,
but it's popped off now. I don't know if there's
some of the musics out of license or something like that,
but I think I might have to check it up
on YouTube.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
If so, one should be up.

Speaker 13 (01:42:46):
There on YouTube for people to watch and they'll get
a good taste of what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
So look it up. Yeah, one amazing one, an amazing thing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
The twists and turns involved, it's amazing.

Speaker 13 (01:42:56):
It's biz, i'll tell you. The other crazy thing was
that there were no health and safety laws that got
them in trouble. The cop went down the next day
and incidentally, David Longi was he was a friend of
the circus owners, and David Longi acted as his lawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
I just want to couldn't get a stranger, and.

Speaker 13 (01:43:20):
He said, I'm sorry, you can't do a thing. No
one got hurt. You'll be turning around a march back out.
And cop was like, well, I can't say no to
the bloody Prime minister.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
So that was that I can smell the poodle on
its breath or something like that. Well, thanks for sharing that, Kent,
And yeah, look up Who Killed the Poodle on YouTube. No,
it's a great watch at the great documentary. And yeah,
thanks for talking to us.

Speaker 13 (01:43:47):
Oh you're very welcome, gents, you're very welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
You have a good day, you two.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Thank you very much. Kent Briggs, the director of that
documentary Who Killed Lucy the Poodle? Go and find it.
What a fascinating story man, right, it is twenty to four.
Coming back with more of your stories about your encounters
with terrifying exotic animals back.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
In the Monte Matties Adams taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty eight. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Seventeen to four. What is the most terrifying and county
you've had with a foreign animal?

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
Hi, guys, I've been working in the kitchen and listening
to you and all these creepy critters. Thought i'd be
to get the washing in and as I grabbed a peg,
I felt a sharp sting. Oh no, on my finger
really hurt. Looked between my fingers and found a beasting
h wow, it's throbbing now, Jillian, there you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Go, there we go. Well it's not quite a scorpion.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Yeah, so the story, I thought you might either been
attacked by a scorpion or a lion. Allen, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Yeah, Hi, there, good a. What happened to you?

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
Yeah? Hi?

Speaker 7 (01:44:56):
We were driving down some very rural road and rural
Thailand and a sugarcane field, going to visit somebody we knew,
and we were sort of just watching the things around
this going very very slowly, only probably five two case now.
And then next thing, this thing just struck my driver's
window and we got a big shock and looked out
and there was this big mother cobra there and she

(01:45:17):
had actually struck my window. And as we looked beside her,
we could see there was two or three little baby
cobbras with it. So we kind of put the foot
down the caradine driving and she was chased this probably
fifteen meters before she gave up in the car, just
trying to strike the window all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Mama cobra wasn't happy. I mean, she must have launched it,
you because they're not there.

Speaker 7 (01:45:36):
No, they're not that messive. Well, I think it was
one of those king cobras, so they're quite big. But
you know it came up to, you know, just the
window and the door there, so it was quite a
gave us quite a fright.

Speaker 13 (01:45:46):
Was expecting it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
You didn't think about going out and facing it, you know,
man no and man no like.

Speaker 29 (01:45:52):
Going going yeah, yeah, good on, ye, yeah, thank you
very much. Yeah, she's made have a good afternoon. I
made chasing your fifteen meters that is terrified. Chris, how
are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:46:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:46:07):
Well thanks?

Speaker 21 (01:46:08):
Another one from Deepest Darkest Africa about a snake that
definitely will.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Chase you more.

Speaker 21 (01:46:16):
Well as the late Steve Bourbin wants to attested, the
black mumber is certainly going to put a cold chill
down anyone. So wrapped up the local startup in club.
Looked at the caretaker and the water tank was overflowing,
and he was amusingly looking at two local chaps that

(01:46:38):
were throwing sticks and twigs up at the water tower,
and doctor.

Speaker 8 (01:46:43):
De mussive, what's on here now?

Speaker 21 (01:46:46):
Black mumber up there? Sure as this thing drops down
and chases the two guys literally round a corner between
the hangars, and you are luckily never to be seen again.
Needless to say that the scuard of was the next
two or three weeks definitely weren't doing any away land

(01:47:08):
in the long grass. So yeah, black Mumbo, you will
chase you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
And isn't the black tell me if I'm wrong here, Chris.
But isn't that famously the one hundred percent fatality They
talk about it being one hundred percent fatality rate unless
you get it treated. So in terms of venomosity, if
that's the word, it's pretty much the worst, right, pretty
much the most poisonous.

Speaker 21 (01:47:33):
No, there's a lot of snakes even in Africa. The
worm slung is a back bang which is more poisonous
far than but it's almost impossible for it to literally
even be able to bite you on them. But the
angriest means snake has definitely got to go down to

(01:47:54):
the black number.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
So do you know did you would you have known
what to do if you got bitten, because that information
that you'd have when you're you know, when there's a
risk of you coming across a black mumba, but that
that that you would know what to do.

Speaker 21 (01:48:08):
Well, A lot of the research has changed over the years.
And incidentally, there was a chap that was doing a
snake sittin about twenty thirty years back in South Africa
and he was written by King Kobra And in those
days there was the debate about whether to administer anti

(01:48:29):
venom because you never knew how much anti venom to
give to the patient, the dosage or the toxicity level
of the venom. So basically they put him on a
hot lung machine literally and he literally remembers waking up

(01:48:51):
maybe about a week after he went into the coma,
had absolutely no motor skills, etc. But could recite the
stories about the nurses giving him a bedmark, and the
chap actually sat there with the doctors telling his family, well,
they're going to maybe have to, you know, turn off

(01:49:13):
the ventilator and the hot lung machine. And that was
such And I think he was in the combe before
you know, a month and a half and fully recovered.
So what's an interesting take for him?

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
He is putting a lightly crushy, very very lucky. The
black number, by the way, can go up to twenty
k's an hour. It's pretty quick for a snake.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Twenty k yeah, I mean that's probably faster than you
can run on you if you if you've got a
snake behind you, you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Yeah, you pick up the face a little bit. Do
you run in a serpentine fashion to get away from
a snake? Zigzag like getting away from a sniper? Maybe
I'll give it a go. Well, maybe I'll just try
and go straight line for it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Or is that a crocodile or an alligator that you
run away from? In a super teen fession, there's something
that you run away from on a super tein fession.
It's kind of thing you need to.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
Know nineteen nine too, if you know who does zigzeg from.
If you've got to get away, we'll go to Jeff
get A. Jeff, you've got a snake story as well.

Speaker 14 (01:50:06):
Yeah, mate, I certainly have. I've worked in Australia about
three or four times, but it's been too hot for
me over there anyway. The first time I was working
up at Mount Gordon, which is about ninety k's out
of Mount iSER, and we.

Speaker 19 (01:50:25):
Were boxing up.

Speaker 14 (01:50:28):
Great big concrete runoffs because the water was scurrying all
the ground and we poured the floor on, et cetera,
et cetera. In that particular day, it was probably about
forty three degrees and the guy I was working was
said to me wanting to just sit in the pipe there,

(01:50:50):
Jeff and and have a bit of a call off,
take some water or doney in there. About a minute
and all of a sudden there was this fip and
hissing noise, and I yelled out to him, hey, mate,
I've got a visitor in the fight with me, and
it was the pipe was reasonably dark in there, so

(01:51:10):
he grabbed the torch and shine and shined it in there,
and he said, don't move, Jeff, whatever you do, just
don't move.

Speaker 13 (01:51:20):
And he's lived.

Speaker 14 (01:51:21):
And therefore with a long handled shovel and he whacked
a snake over the head and it was a king brown.

Speaker 5 (01:51:30):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:51:31):
If that, if that, if that King Brown had bitten me,
I'll tell you it would have been. They would have
had to get me out there in a big back
to the depot because they had all the anti venines there,
you know, there the safe wife. So so the sweat
was rolling up me. So the bloody sun show.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Lucky you had a lot of trust in that man
to not mess, because if he messed, you would have
been in trouble.

Speaker 14 (01:52:01):
Yeah, he would have got me down to the first
aid room. But they had a big first aid were
in there, and they had they knew. But what you
don't do was if you get but by a snake,
whatever you do, don't touch it. Don't touch the bite
because they do a spad test quickly in about ten

(01:52:23):
seconds and they can tell what quind of snake has
bitten here. Because I've got I've got to pump the
right stuff into here.

Speaker 19 (01:52:32):
And anyway, so.

Speaker 14 (01:52:35):
So that was one encounter. The second encounter. I went
to all of Springs to work, and I was I
was saying, I only had a tent. There were quite
a few guys that were building. I was working for
a company during a school and anyway, well, I can't

(01:52:57):
when I come uh, when I came home that night
after work, there was there was a great, big crowd
of people having a bit of a meeting in the
barbecue area. And I'll say to this guy, what's up.
He said, there's four dead dogs. Jeff, King Brown has
killed them. There's a King Brown somewhere in this camp, right,

(01:53:21):
And I said, christ, I said, I'm in a fluffing tent.
He said, yeah, he said. So I went in the office.
I said, lady, I want a caravan, and I want
to search before I go in there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
Fair enough to Jeff, Yeah, you don't want to be
in a tent with a King Brown killing dogs everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
I certainly don't. Thank you so much for your story, Jeff, Yes, right.
One hundred and eighty eighty number to call it. Nine
two ninety two is the text. It is eight minutes
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons NEWSTALGSB.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
News Talks there be it is five to four. Just
a very quick text to your asking about which creature
you escape in a serpentine fashion? And this Texas says witches. Matt,
you escape witches in a serpentine fashion. They can only
hunt in straight lines. Enjoy the rabbit hole. It's true
according to folklore. Really yes, zigzag if her witch is
coming after you, just zigzag.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
If her mining is coming after you, or the year
Witch from I just I just watched Weapons again the
other day. What a great horror movie. That has got
to be the greatest witch horror movie of all time. Yeah,
all right, that brings us the end of the show.
Thank you so much for listening, and thanks for all
your calls and text. Andrew Dickens is in for Heather
dupis the Allen on Drive today and Dickens is talking
to Andrew Little, the Miyror of Wellington, on taking on

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the government's local council changes. But Tyler, my good friend,
why am I playing the opening track from The Trokes
Strokes two thousand and six album First Impressions of Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
I'm surprised at you, Matt Heath after the last couple
of hours, saying please don't say it, Please don't say it.
You've picked a song called you Only Live Once.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Yeah, well you can say you only live once.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
You just can't say you're low.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Yeah you can't. No, you've done it. You can't say
the acronym. Sorry, a bit of an acronym.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Great song.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
Oh what a change. Okay, we'll be back live from
midday tomorrow. Until then, give them a taste of kiwi
from us. All right, seem dous. He will let you
go bless and.

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