Full Show Podcast: 04 September 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Welcome into Friday's show. Great to have you company and
hope you're doing well.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Matt Heath.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Hey, so we've just gone nationwide. We start the show
in some places, then we go completely nationwide at one o'clock,
including my beloved hometown of Dunedin.

Speaker 6 (00:42):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
So you've just joined the show.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Welcome, Dunedin.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
And I'm joining Dunedin tomorrow. I'm flying in to stay
with my dad and go to my nephew's wedding. It's
very exciting. down there in Dunedin, and then the following week,
so I'm going to do this radio show. I'm going
to be broadcasting from Dunedin for the whole of next week.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
From the beautiful Dunedin ZB Studios.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
Yep, just near the octagon there.

Speaker 7 (01:03):
Yeah, lovely.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
It's got a great view, that studio.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
It does. I remember the last time you were down there.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Yeah. Beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
And then the following weekend, on the Sunday, the 13th
of September, I'm going to be running the Emerson's Dunedin
Half Marathon. I was going to run a whole marathon,
but then I decided I'll run a half.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Pretty sensible for you, because how's the Achilles, mate?

Speaker 5 (01:23):
It's not good. Like Achilles, my Achilles heel is my
Achilles heel.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
You put it on a brave face, though, because there
was no limping when you came in here. You just
loaded up on some sort of... I'm stretching all the time.
I'm just having to stretch that Achilles all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
But if you want to run the Dunedin Marathon, the
Dunedin Half Marathon with me, then go to dunedinmarathon.co.nz. That's
the website. And scroll down until you see an idiot
smiling with his legs strapped up. That's me.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
And then the details of how you can join my
team and you'll get 25% off the entry fee using
the code BEATHEATH, which is all one word, all caps,
no gaps, BEATHEATH. And you go into the draw to
win an Emerson's prize pack, which includes taproom voucher of $ 200,
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great stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
What a great prize pack.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
And you've already got a pretty solid team with you,
so you better get amongst.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I've just had a look at that photo. Yeah, you
are pretty strapped up. What was going on with your knees?

Speaker 5 (02:20):
I had knee trouble for a while. Basically, if you
run a lot, you just always have some kind of trouble.
My knees are fine now, so I don't have to
have the big strapping on my knees. But my Achilles
is pretty bad on one side, and one of my
ankles is a bit shoddy on the other.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
You're changing it up with the body part, though, because
you've got the Haglund's deformity, and I know you didn't
create that. Then you broke your foot when you did
the actual marathon.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Then didn't you.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Do something to your calf muscles one of these runs?
Now you've gone down to the Achilles. So at least
you're testing your whole body.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
I had a broken buttock for a while as well.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
How did you do that?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
I just stretched my buttock running, and for some reason,
my left buttock became a problem.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I didn't think that was a thing, but there you go.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Anyway, yeah, go to dunedinmarathon.co.nz, and why not run the
half with me, eh?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Get amongst a beautiful place and a great event. So
go to that website and use the code BEATHEATH. and
get amongst it's going to be great right let's get
into this discussion life jackets will now be mandatory for
everyone on recreational boats six meters or less while the
vessel is underway this is after shane ready's maritime transport
amendment bill has passed unanimously so the new law replaces

(03:29):
a bit of a patchwork of different regional rules with
a new one national requirement. And the push comes after
18 of the 20 boat-related drowning deaths in 2024 involve
people not wearing a life jacket. So officials say the
change could save around 10 lives a year. There's a
couple of exemptions with this new law. So that includes

(03:51):
surfers not needing to wear a life jacket.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Probably makes sense.

Speaker 7 (03:54):
Why?

Speaker 3 (03:55):
They're tied up to something buoyant, aren't they?

Speaker 8 (03:58):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
If they're wearing their leash like a good surfer. Well,
you reckon they should wear life jackets while you're surfing?

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 9 (04:06):
Okay, right.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, we'll take your calls on that one.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
And a life preserver, you know, one of those.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Circular wounders okay yeah yeah everything yeah you got to
be safe on your surfboard.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
And have a lifeboat attached to the side of the
surfboard jesus mate.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
You're gonna kill the sport uh and well speaking of
that other exemptions are for sporting events when it comes
to sporting fishing etc they remain and you will be
able to take off your life jacket when you're anchored
up so if the boat's not moving then you can
take your life jacket off at that time.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
So the penalty hasn't actually been passed Yet. So they
haven't decided exactly on what the penalty would be for
doing it.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
But people think it's probably going to be somewhere between
$ 100 and $ 300. And it's the skipper's responsibility to make
sure everyone on their boat is wearing a life jacket.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Big responsibility for the skipper.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
I mean, you say skipper and you think someone with
a lot of authority, but that's not always the case
if you're taking five mates out or whatever on a
fishing trip. You may be calling yourself the skipper, but
they may not listen to you, right? I mean, the
question is, should adults be legally forced to wear a
life jacket or should that remain their own decision? Because
originally when they were drafting this bill up, it was

(05:21):
originally only targeted at children. It was initially proposed compulsory
life jackets for under 15s on small craft. But the
select committee expanded it to everyone after evidence showed adults,
not children, make up the overwhelming majority of recreational boating deaths.
I mean, I wonder if that's a numbers thing though, right? Yeah.
Because they also have this stat that they're using around

(05:46):
close to shore. And so where is it here? It says,
I'll find out. I've got all this information. Being close
to shore is not necessarily safe. Maritime New Zealand says
that across 11 years, around 70% of fatal recreational craft
incidents occurred within one nautical mile of shore. But, I mean,

(06:08):
is a huge percentage of all. recreational crafting or boating
is within that close to shore, right?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Within one nautical mile.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
The vast majority of it would be there.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
So, of course, that sort of skews the statistics.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
But what do you say on this one?

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I mean, should it be something that the law forces
you to wear, the life jackets, or should responsible adults
be trusted to make their own decisions on the water? Oh, 880, 1080.
It's that number to call, and 9292 is the text number.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Tell us what you think.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
If you are a boatie and if you are a skipper,
do you make all your passengers wear life jackets? And
have you ever been in a situation where they've come
in handy?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Tell us about it.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
0800 80 1080 is the number. It's 13 past 1.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 2 (06:58):

Speaker 4 (07:03):
So it's now going to be mandatory to wear your
life jacket on recreational boats six metres or less, which
is the vast majority of the recreational boaties. While the
vessel is underway, the new bill's been passed, but as
Matt mentioned before, they're still yet to work out the
penalties as that bill starts to go through legislation. But
the question for you is, should responsible adults be trusted

(07:24):
to make their own decisions on the water?

Speaker 5 (07:26):
Yeah, so this text says... What are the long-term effects
of taking every sensible decision away from New Zealanders? We
are becoming dumbed down, no consequence babies. Make rules for children, sure,
but if some idiot doesn't want to wear a life
jacket over 21, it's his or her life choice, a
dumb choice, but that is kind of the point.

Speaker 10 (07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Roger, you're a Bodie of 40 years.

Speaker 11 (07:50):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
And your thoughts on this law change?

Speaker 11 (07:58):
Yeah, I support it. I find that I've got a
seven-metre boat and I get out 20 miles offshore and
when we leave, everyone's told to wear life jackets. I
supply life jackets. But once you're out there, if it's
flat calm, as they say, it's a mill pond and
it's a hot day, then we will take the jackets off.

(08:20):
But when we're coming home, we'll put them back on.
So going out and coming back, But if it's rough
out there, well, you leave them on the whole time.
So it's almost like drunk driving and driving with no
seatbelts on.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
I'll be all right.

Speaker 11 (08:34):
But I lost a guy back in the 70s. We
were young and dumb and didn't have life jackets. He drowned.
So I understand it. And I've got children, kids, so
they always have to wear their life jackets. The adults,
when we get on board, we have a little bit
of a thing about the radio, where the flares are,

(08:54):
where the e-perms are. what happens if we tip over,
and then life jackets.

Speaker 9 (08:59):
On and.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Off we go. So if people want to, you know,
say you're parked up, it's in nice waters, and people
are jumping off the boat for a swim, right, then
the life jacket thing is obviously not going to make sense,
is it? Because you're not going to be jumping off
the boat with your life jacket on, especially these new
life jackets. But did you say you were 7m tall?

Speaker 11 (09:25):
My one at the moment is seven metres, but I'm
still treated under that, and everyone has to wear a
life jacket. Again, we're in Wellington, and I've had numerous
occasions where we've left the marina at, you know, four
in the morning, flat calm, got to about eight o'clock,
sun comes up, and coming home, we got smashed.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
To bits, you know, well, not smashed to bits, but
rough as guts.

Speaker 11 (09:46):
So, yeah, there are times when I look at it
and go, oh, it's hot as hell, take the jackets off,
we'll have lunch and have a bit of a fish,
and then when it's... time to go home put your jackets.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Back on might be semantics roger but what's your feeling
about someone wearing a wetsuit because there's a lot of
divers in this country and the argument always is that
if you're wearing a wetsuit it's effectively like a life
jacket that you're coming home you don't take off your
wetsuit if you go overboard you're going to stand a
chance or do you not buy that.

Speaker 11 (10:12):
No i buy it i've been a diver as well
i'll give an example we were coming home one time
at night time about eight o'clock at night up the
harbour ran out of fuel and we had about a
mile and a half to go there's no way no
wars nothing So we had our wetsuits on, so we
jumped over the side with a rope each time to
the front of the boat and we had to swim
the bloody thing back.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Right, yeah, yeah. So that's effectively like a life jacket though, right?

Speaker 6 (10:37):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Have you ever got pushback on your, you know, telling
people to put their life jackets on, Roger?

Speaker 11 (10:45):
No, no, I just say, look, I've got a bit
of housekeeping here and I'll tell them about the radio
and I wish I reported when I'm leaving, when I'm back.
We tell them about the ear perms, where they are.
And I said, now life jackets are over there. Grab
one that fits. I'll help you to adjust it and
put it on. And we just do that before we leave.
And I've had a couple of guys go, oh, we're
doing new life jackets. But I just look at them
and go, really?

Speaker 4 (11:06):
It's usually in the bay where it gets problematic, though,
isn't it, Roger? You know, because I've been in the
situation where the skipper says, get your life jacket on
and you go in five knots, whatever it is, in
a bay.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
And there's always a couple of people saying, oh, no,
we're only going five. We're in a bay.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I can swim from here. And then that skipper's in
that awkward position. It's just, oh, come on, boys, just
put it on. Don't, you know, don't make this awkward.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Well, we get it.

Speaker 11 (11:26):
We're up at our boat. You know, same thing, pond.
And especially for kids. Adults, if we're just offshore, I'll
just say, oh, well, you know, we're just offshore. I'll
watch them. as long as it's not rough, because it's
pretty calm. In fact, when my kids were growing up,
they'd be like seven or eight, and I'd come in
about 100 metres offshore, and I'd just throw them over
the side with no life jackets, teaching them to swim.

(11:47):
It's cold, guys, and I'd just plunder along beside them. There, there,
and I'd just, ah, bugger off, just swim to shore.
You know, right there, I'm 10 feet away from them.
So it just comes down to your own experience, common sense.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
And yeah, there it goes.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Would you, Roger, you wouldn't need a law for this, though, because, so.
You know, you're a responsible human being and you've been
on the water a very long time. So you don't
need a law to do what you think is the
right thing. You're making the decision because you've made that
analysis of, you know, this is a better idea, right?

Speaker 11 (12:21):
Yeah, I also think who's going to police this?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, that's right, yeah.

Speaker 11 (12:26):
Because over the years, I've been, the police force have
come over for a bit of look, and I've gone, oh, yeah,
life jackets, how's your fish going? Yeah, they might have
a look at a couple of grouper and that, and
they bugger off, you know, which is their job, which
is fine. But again, who's going to police them? Because
on a hot day, anywhere around.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
The country, there's.

Speaker 11 (12:46):
Hundreds of boats out, so at least you've got a,
you know, like they have in America, a boat with
a light on and you're in uniform and what have you.
Who's going to police it? It's self-policing, common sense, and again,
we've seen.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
The deaths on there with, um, I guess it might help,
you know, skippers with lacking in mana who can just go, oh,
come on, guys, I might get a fine if you
don't put them on. You know, someone that obviously you're
an authoritative type gentleman, Roger. But there's probably some people

(13:19):
that don't really generate a lot of respect. And maybe
they can go, oh, just do it. I don't want
to get a fine. You know what I mean? It
kind of takes the responsibility off them to argue the
case and says, look, this is the law. You just
have to do it.

Speaker 11 (13:33):
No, no difference to a seatbelt. When my sons were
getting the pimp down at 16, I'd say put the
seatbelt on a couple of times. There they are, get
the points, so I'd stop and get the prick out
of the car.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
You sound like a good skipper. But that's the point.
You've got some people that can take charge and some
people that can't, right?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
But it is kind of weird, don't you think, that,
I don't know, that there's part of it, that I
can see the other side of the argument, which is that,
why do you need to tell adults what to do
all the time?

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Well, you can't legislate against stupid, right? You know, there's
personal responsibility, and that's what some of the texts are
coming through. They're not necessarily against this law change, but
they're saying if someone, you know, just because you've made
a law saying you've got to wear a life jacket
when your vessel's moving, that's not going to change the
behaviour of a lot of idiots out there. There's other
things you potentially could do. I mean, look, this is
slightly a sidestep here, but to me, it would make

(14:32):
more sense in legislating or making it the law for
every boatie to do a day skipper's course, because then
you go through at least a little bit of training
on what to do in an emergency, rather than this
weird thing that you may or may not get a
fine if the harbour master feels like it or the
coast guard finds you when you don't wear a life jacket.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, I guess, but.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
So you want people to do what?

Speaker 3 (14:53):
It's a day skipper's course.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Before they're allowed to take their boat out?

Speaker 9 (14:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Because then you get that, you know, so you know
what happens in an SOS situation, how you work your radio,
how to tie a knot. I mean, that's important in
some circumstances, maybe not for safety, but it's just a
little push to say you're sitting down for four hours
and you've got to tell us you can operate this
vehicle before you head out and potentially kill yourself and
other people.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
All right. So you need the government to tell you
how to do every little part of your life, do you?
So before you do anything, Tyler Adams needs to be
sat in a school desk and told how to behave.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
It's a nice day out, mate. You should do it.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
It's good. It's fun.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
They take you out on a wee journey. It's lovely.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Oh, 880-1080 is the number to call. What do you
say about these life jacket rules? And do you think
that is the right way to police stupidity or do
you think the government should stay out of it?

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Tell us.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
It is 24 past one. Fearless. Focused.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Informed.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 13 (15:49):
So the much-anchored over move-on orders look set to be
watered down. Select Committee wants the age raised from 14
to 18. Looser rules around returning to an area. Tom
Rutherford is the chairperson of the Justice Select Committee and.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Is with us. Has the angst surprised you?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yes and no.

Speaker 14 (16:02):
We received close to 8,000 submissions. People certainly mobilised themselves
to get their views heard by the committee.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Were those submissions legit or were they AI-generated?

Speaker 6 (16:11):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (16:12):
Yeah, a number of them probably were AI-generated. We did
have four full days of oral hearings where members of
the public came and presented to us as a committee,
and some of them made some really compelling cases.

Speaker 13 (16:22):
Back Monday from 6am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast, with Aveda
News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
27 past one, we're talking about the new life jacket law,
so it will now be mandatory for everyone on a
recreational boat six metres or less to wear one while
the vessel's underway.

Speaker 10 (16:38):
Hi, guys.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
This is the problem with this world. Too many bloody rules.
We can't think for ourselves. We can think for ourselves,
can't we? It's all about control.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Do you agree with that text? 0800 80 1080 is
the number to call.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Baz, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (16:57):
Welcome in.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
You sound like you're in some kind of dog kennel
or something, Baz. What about you?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Now, we're going to struggle to hear you, Baz.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
We might try and get that phone sorted because I
want to hear what you said, but it did sound
like it was at a dog fight or something. A
couple of texts before we go back to Baz and
see if we can get him back.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
This one says, G'day, guys.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Legislation is not for the Roger types with plenty of
common sense and experience. It's for the idiots, or in
the simple terms, the lowest common denominator types.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
But those people, when they're out at sea, are they
going to listen to some rule? You're looking around, you
don't see anyone.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
You know?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
No, they're not.

Speaker 15 (17:41):
No.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
They're those idiots you see trying to slam it across
a bar with massive waves and then flip the boat.
I mean, I don't think they're going to be the
people that start wearing life jackets.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
Maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Baz, we've got you back. Hopefully, mate.

Speaker 16 (17:52):
Hopefully tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
Is that better? That is so much better. So whereabouts
are you? What was all those strange sounds going on, Baz?

Speaker 7 (18:00):
Bloody cow shed, mate.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Bloody cow shed.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Bloody echoey old cow shed. Your thoughts on this one, Baz?

Speaker 16 (18:07):
Yeah, I've been going out fishing with a group of
mates now for over 30 years, and we go on
a pretty big boat. But we've consumed a couple of
bevies on the way, and none of us used to
wear jackets. But now with the inflatable ones, we've all
bought our own jackets, and we all bloody wear those,

(18:28):
and you don't even notice you've got the thing on.
It's not a hassle at all.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
That's the big difference, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (18:33):
You know, the big bulky ones we remember as kids
are no longer really a thing when you've got the
new fan dangled ones, and you pull a thing, and
it blows up.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
But, yeah, so there's no problems. No one's grumbling about
checking it on.

Speaker 16 (18:45):
No, well, it's not compulsory, but everyone's just done it.
They decided, oh, well, you're.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Stupid if you don't, really. Ever had to set one off, Baz?

Speaker 16 (18:57):
Yeah, a couple of years ago, one of the boys
fell over and he didn't have a jacket on at
the time. And one of the other guys dived in
and it went off.

Speaker 9 (19:08):
It was quite spectacular.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, but it was.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
I've always wanted to give it a go on dry
land just to see how it goes, but I haven't
had the chance yet.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's quite expensive, I think. I think it's about $ 80
if you set it off.

Speaker 16 (19:20):
No, I think it's only about $ 20 or $ 30 for
a replacement gas cylinder.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
All right.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
That's my weekend fun then. Baz, thank you very much, mate,
and go well in the cow sheds.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
Wow, I can't believe what I just heard. Matt dissing
the day skippers course. It teaches basic navigation and channel markers...
The basic rules of harbors and sea safety and radio.
It's the Muppets that don't know the basics that kill
themselves and others. Bad call, Matt. Bad call. And by
the way, most laws are not made for common sense individuals.
They are made for the idiots that live among. I

(19:50):
wasn't dissing the day skipper's course. I was dissing Tyler
saying it should be compulsory and you're not allowed to
go on a boat. So in Tyler's world, and judging
by your world, what you should have it, and then
you get a license printed and people check your license
and you've got to carry your day skipper's license around
with you when you're on a boat. So someone buys

(20:12):
a boat, before they're allowed to take it out on
the water, they have to sit the day skippers and
pay some money And then get a license.

Speaker 15 (20:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Oh, no.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
You do have to pay some money. And then you
get a wee certificate saying you've done your day skipper's course.
And then you're ready for a day on the sea.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
And you think that should be compulsory.

Speaker 17 (20:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Why does everything have to be compulsory is my question.
Maybe that's a sensible thing to do. But why do
they have to– it's the infantilization of everyone.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
I just think you see so many idiots out there
on the water that we can talk about life jackets,
but actually telling them what to do in an emergency,
to me, would be better. If we're going to legislate something,
then legislate something like a day skipper's course rather than
making them wear life jackets.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
But if you disagree, I want to hear from you.
9292 is the text.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
The course is great, and you should probably do it.
My just question is, does everything have to be compulsory?
Do we have to be compelled by the power... of
the law always to do the right thing.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
It's an interesting take.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Or, you know, once we're adults, we're adults. And we
need to take charge of our own life.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Do you agree with Matt Heath? 0800 80 10 80.
Is there some logic to that?

Speaker 7 (21:25):
Tell us.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Headlines on its way.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
And 9292 is a text as well. It's 28 to 2.

Speaker 12 (21:39):
The Falkland Islands are back at the centre of renewed
tension between the UK and Argentina. Argentina's president is declaring
the Falkland Islands as Argentinian, saying it's at risk due
to oil drilling. The ACT Party wants congestion to be
the trigger for major transport upgrades rather than transport ministers
or election campaigns. To cut costs, ACT's also proposing an

(22:02):
end to art installation projects along new roads paid for
by the Land Transport Fund. The Police Association is backing
what it calls common sense changes to move on orders.
The Justice Committee's made a raft of recommended changes, including
increasing the minimum expulsion age from 14 to 18. Tricky

(22:23):
weather conditions have forced the search for a missing Canterbury
tramper to be put on hold. Gareth Anderson was swept
down the Cass River near Craigieburn Forest Park last Thursday.
Self-driving trucks on Napier Wharves are first for New Zealand ports.
See more at nzherald.co.nz. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

(22:44):
Thank you very much, Raylene.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
So we're talking about these new life jacket rules that
will come into play after the bill's been passed.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Well, I'll tell you what, people want more government control.
They want more rules.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
They love it.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Everyone's texting in saying absolutely the day skippers course should
be 100% compulsory. Everyone's saying that you should have a
license similar to a driver's license to be in a boat.
So people are so under the thumb of government control
that they want more of it. Stockholm syndrome. Control me more.

(23:16):
Hold my hand more. Tell me what to do more.
Look after me more.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
They love it.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
They're begging for it. All these Texans are begging to
have to sit a license. Boaties that are out there
on the water now are begging. To be taken off
their boats and put in a classroom and then put
through a test and then taken out and proved that
they can skipper a boat. Good times.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Good times, I say.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yeah. More of it. No one trusts themselves. No one
trusts themselves to do the right thing. They need the
government to tell them what the right thing is to do.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
God bless you people. Tony, what do you reckon on.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
This, mate?

Speaker 17 (23:57):
Yeah, hey, guys.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Hey, guys.

Speaker 8 (23:59):
I've been boating for quite some time down here in
Hawke's Bay.

Speaker 9 (24:02):
It gets pretty.

Speaker 10 (24:02):
Rough out there.

Speaker 8 (24:05):
But, no, I think life jackets are mandatory, 100%. You know,
I don't think it's a government issue. I think it's
more the people that are calling up wanting this are
the people that are doing it anyway. We're talking about
the Muppets that go out there. They go out.

Speaker 18 (24:20):
On the water.

Speaker 8 (24:21):
It looks a little bit rough, but they go out
anyway anyway. And then the guys that already had the
life jackets on have all the safety gear on. They're
the ones having to pick them up when they break down,
when they fall in the water. The Coast Guard has
to come in, get them. So I think that's what
it's more about. And definitely the day skip, of course,

(24:42):
as a minimum, with some sort of licence. Because the
people you see out on the water, they go by
a boat and they think that they can go out
there when it breaks down. They think that they can
hop out and walk home.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
They cannot.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Would you be happy to then have to prove that
and go through a set of rules and a test
and a boat, you know, get someone out, like the
equivalent of a driving test, to make sure that you
are capable and give you a licence, Tony? Would you
enjoy that?

Speaker 8 (25:12):
A hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
I mean.

Speaker 7 (25:14):
It happens with a car.

Speaker 8 (25:15):
Would you drive a car down the road at 100
kilometres an hour if you weren't able to drive it?
You know, I know there's people out there doing it,
but these are the people that we're trying to stop
from that happening, those people that won't just go and
do it. You know, like, I think that's what we've
got to.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
But do you think those people, because there's no doubt
that there's absolute idiots out on the water and that
is a huge problem, but if you're an idiot out
on the water, the fact that there is a $ 100
fine or a $ 200 fine.
Around life jackets. They're looking around. They can't see anyone.
They can't see any sirens anywhere. Can you imagine them

(25:51):
following this rule, Tony? Or will it just be that
they're already onto it, people like you, that continue to
do the right thing?

Speaker 8 (25:58):
Yeah, I get that point.

Speaker 19 (25:59):
I get that point.

Speaker 8 (26:00):
And yes, there will always be that.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
But that's life, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (26:03):
You'll always get that. You know, I think I'd just
come back to the fact that at the moment there's nothing.
You can go and buy a boat. You can go
out there with no previous skill set at all and
put other people's lives at risk. You might think you
can swim home, but what about the person that's coming

(26:24):
out to rescue you? I think that's where we.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
Need to look at it.

Speaker 12 (26:28):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
I mean, and people that think they can swim home
is always funny. When they do analysis of what people
think they can do and what they can't. So Maritime
New Zealand did some research showing people massively overestimate their
ability once unexpectedly in the water. There's a study only 2%
could float more than five minutes. Well, 98% could not

(26:49):
swim more than 100 meters in open water.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
So a lot of people, it's very different in the
open water, isn't it, Tony?

Speaker 15 (26:56):
Absolutely.

Speaker 8 (26:57):
Absolutely it is. Not everybody can swim. People think they
can swim. I just went away and did some courses
for my ticket. And the amount of people that are
working at sea that actually can't physically keep themselves upright
in a pool under those no rough conditions. And, I mean,
that's everybody out there.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Have you seen dickheads out there, Tony?

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Is there any examples where you've seen people be, you
can tell that they just don't know what they're doing?

Speaker 8 (27:27):
We see it every.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
Weekend, you know.

Speaker 8 (27:28):
Like, we see it every weekend. And the weather comes
up and the guys are there. They've got their boat
on the trailer.

Speaker 20 (27:36):
Nah, bugger it.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
We're going to go anyway, you know. And that's the
mentality because they've put themselves– they've got all the gear ready.
They're going fishing. They've been going fishing from the night before. Oh,
just a little bit of wind, you know. You come
around the corner. It looks fine now. That sea breeze
cuts up and they are scrambling to get home, you know.
And I think that's probably more around the education, where
the education needs to be, that there just isn't, you

(27:59):
just can't jump out of the door and walk home.
You just can't park a boat up, you know?

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Tony?

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Tony, okay, just go back on, like, you know, whatever
it is, a licence or something to go in a boat.
Where would that start? What size boat? Like, a dinghy?
Are we talking a kayak? Are we talking a tender?
You know, at what point would it be.
Compulsory to be trained.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
Are we talking, if we relate it back to driving
down a road.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
You don't need one for a bicycle or a scooter.

Speaker 8 (28:36):
No, you don't. So kayaks, I don't know, but you
could get yourself into the same situation with kayaks.

Speaker 21 (28:42):
The worst situation I ever got into out at sea, Tony,
was on a kayak. I can imagine that.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
What happened? We need to know what happened.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
I was on Waiheke Island and me and my mate
were having a bit of a chat. We went for
a kayak and then looked around at the island and went,
where's the island?

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Oh, God.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
And then just spent a horrific four hours just struggling
back to get back there. And, you know, it was
very touch and go for a while. So you can
make terrible mistakes on a kayak, that's for sure, Tony.

Speaker 9 (29:17):
Yeah, yeah, you can.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
You can.

Speaker 8 (29:19):
And look, I don't know where that would be. I
guess you draw the line. You have to draw the
line somewhere. You have to look at the risk scale
and see where that line comes in. But that wouldn't
be me making that decision.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
That's for sure.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Tony, thank you very much for your call and good
to get your thoughts. So where are you at with this?
So 880-1080 on the life jacket legislation, on the idea
of Day Skipper's course.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Tell us your thoughts. 9292 is the text as well.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
Matt, you sound unbelievable. Ooh, big government. Be scared. Are
you trying to be a shock jock? It's embarrassing for you, Frank.

Speaker 7 (29:55):
Am I?

Speaker 5 (29:56):
No, but I just think it's odd that people want
to be controlled. So a whole lot of people saying
that they want to be licensed on a boat and
they want to be controlled. It's one thing, you know,
you're lucky, Frank, because you want to be controlled and
you enjoy being controlled, Texter. And luckily you live in
a country where you will become more and more controlled

(30:16):
over time because they never seem to remove rules. They
just keep adding them and adding them and adding them
and adding them and adding them more and more control.
And that's good for you, Frank, because you feel comfortable
with that. Because, you know, you want to be cuddled
and you want to be looked after and you want
to be led around. And look, we could get a
little leash for you if you want to. We could

(30:36):
get a little leash for you and we could get
a government official to lead you around. and then you'll
be happy as, Frank.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Nothing wrong with cuddles. Nothing wrong with a government cuddle.
Keep those critiques coming through on 9292.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Tell us your thoughts. It is 16 to 2.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
14 to 2, and we're talking about boatie rules, life jackets,
and also day skippers' courses.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Your thoughts, 0880 1080?

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Matt, I think you're looking at this the wrong way.
It's not necessarily the boat owner we're trying to save here.
It's the kids or your kids that went out with
that boat owner who claims to be experienced and is
not and gets in trouble and capsizes his boat, and
the kids may or may not come home. That's scary, right? Yeah,
so this is really what we're talking about here because
it was originally– The legislation was originally just for under-15s.

(31:34):
So the bill originally targeted children and initially proposed compulsory
life jackets for under-15s on small craft. The select committee
expanded it right at the end to cover every age.
So that's really the crux of my point. I 100%
agree with it being compulsory for under-15s, and I think

(31:55):
people would be smart to follow the rules. I'm just saying...
As an adult, it kind of, for me, it makes
more sense that this is for kids than it is
for adults, right? Because adults have to make decisions for
themselves in a trillion different ways. And we can go
around and make a rule for every single thing that
an adult does in their day-to-day life, and an idiot

(32:17):
will still do something stupid.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
And that's the balance. You can't legislate against stupid, and
that's a fair point.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Do you agree?

Speaker 4 (32:23):
9292 is the text number if you want to give
us a call. 0800 80 1080 is that number.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Matt, you're being a dork. We're changing stations.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Well, it's not compulsory. Also, it's not an airport. Departures
don't need to be announced.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Morris, welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (32:44):
Yeah, I agree and I disagree. I've got a couple
of Filipinos who work on the dairy farm for us,
and I made them do the bunk master calls or
whatever three times before I let them anywhere near the boat.
I then made them go and do 10 trips with us.
They've got a bit of experience before. They went on
their own. Because you can do all the courses in
the world. It's like going to university, but you've got

(33:05):
no expertise, no practical knowledge, and it's a waste of time.
It doesn't teach the tide, the current and conditions and
all that. That comes from experience. But getting a course
that's able to, I can drive a boat, is not
going to save you. Putting a life jacket on won't
save you from stupidity. When you're in the wrong tide,
you're in the wrong situation, you drift out 100 miles
off the coast, it doesn't save you. So what actually happens,

(33:29):
you can't breed common sense into people that, hey, today's
not a good day to go out. And those are
the issues. And it's like I've got a German friend.
She's got a driver's license, a full New Zealand driver's license.
I wouldn't hop in a car with her because she
can't drive. But she's got a German one and she
got it transferred to a New Zealand one. And all
she did as a course in Germany to get a license.

(33:50):
And she can't drive. So what's the difference with a boat?
It's exactly the same thing. But what they should do
And I've got another friend who had a big 70-foot boat.
He's a very wealthy man.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
He was a.

Speaker 9 (34:04):
Skipper of the day. He was 20 minutes going out
for a few lemonades, as you do. He said, I've
got the skipper's hat on. We parked off Waiki Island.

Speaker 6 (34:13):
I said, oh, it's a flowering.

Speaker 9 (34:14):
You've got to back up so it bites in.

Speaker 20 (34:15):
He didn't listen.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
We drifted.

Speaker 9 (34:17):
We ran aground. We had to wait for sort of
nine hours for high tide to get us off. We're
then coming back in. We nearly run out of ground
up on Mission Bay because he thought he was going
into a Kahu Bay. Lucky he didn't know how to
use the autopilot, so I flipped the autopilot on and
saved us. He then absolutely cacked his pants, put the
hat on me and said, you're in charge. He had
no idea what he was doing. It's a $ 4 million boat,

(34:39):
and he could have killed someone. So, you know, competency
is the issue.

Speaker 20 (34:43):
It's not about a license.

Speaker 9 (34:45):
You've got to be competent to operate a boat. And
fining people for not wearing life jackets is not going
to change things. They need to be aware and be
competent to operate the boat. So these are the conditions.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
This is what you do.

Speaker 9 (34:57):
And you don't get that from doing a two-hour course
four days a week. I made them do it four
times because they still didn't have any idea after doing
it once. They pass every time.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
But what are you asking for here, Morris?

Speaker 4 (35:11):
You say that the day skipper's course, waste of time
if you don't really know what you're doing anyway. It
doesn't really matter on the life jacket if you're not
going to use it and you're an idiot. So what
are you saying here? I mean, how can you force
people to undertake training with someone who knows what they're doing?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You know, that's an extra step.

Speaker 9 (35:27):
If you want to vote... and to go out and
operate it and be safe, you need to go out
and actually use one with someone else for a period
of time so you actually learn the thing, learn the tides,
learn the current. I can go and do a course,
what is it, four days, and I get my ticket
and go and spend $ 100, 000 to get a boat. Is
that going to save me?

Speaker 8 (35:47):
No.

Speaker 9 (35:49):
It'll probably put me to worse because I'm overconfident. It's
like the idiot who buys a Ferrari and he's only
ever driven a Toyota. He wins a lot and buys
a Ferrari and he thinks that driving a car at
120 miles an hour is easy.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
It's not.

Speaker 9 (36:02):
If it was easy, he wouldn't be doing it.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
But that's the common sense argument though, isn't it, Morris?
You know, it's the common sense.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
It's for those people that actually, you know, give a
crap that they want to be safe. They're the ones
that are going to find experienced skippers to figure out,
you know, can I actually drive this thing? What do
I need to look out for? But you can't legislate
for that.

Speaker 9 (36:21):
No, you can't leave yourself with common sense, so you're
wasting your time. And a good example is five years ago,
before COVID, we were out on the harbour. There was
these boys, holly boys, who were in a 14-foot boat.
There were six of them and five kids. The boat
was way overloaded. We had to load off the kids
and a couple of them, right, because the sea chopped up.
It was fine when they went there, and they had
no idea. And then they were trying to bail the

(36:41):
water out. They were all at risk. If we hadn't
have come along, they wouldn't be here today. And none
of them had life jackets. Gee whiz.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
So.

Speaker 9 (36:51):
Now, the thing is they didn't even understand the common
sense of that. Now, that's not their fault. They've never
had anything. And so there's a whole lot of underlying issues,
and finding people a hundred bucks and doing that won't
make the issues go away because the morons are still
going to do it anyway. So it all comes down
to how do you educate people that are not that intelligent?

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Morris, thank you very much for your call. I mean,
that is a big question. How do you educate people
who are not that smart?

Speaker 9 (37:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Your fans are out in force on the text machine, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
All right.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Alcohol should be banned on boats too, not just the skipper, everyone.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
I didn't say that. I never said banning alcohol.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
But I mean they're in your field of enjoying more control.
This text says, I agree with Tyler. I actually think
boats should only be skippered by professionals like ferries are.
Charters are fine. You should pay a professional. It's too
dangerous for any idiot to drive their own boat.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
I never said anything about professionals.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
So no, I like alcohol on boats.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
And look, I am cherry picking text for the most
extreme examples of people that enjoy being controlled and want
other people to be controlled. This text says no one
under 25 should be allowed to skip or a boat.
Do you agree with that one?

Speaker 3 (38:04):
No, but I get your point, Matt.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Any more there? So let's agree that this rule, maybe
let's agree with this rule that with the $ 200 fine, whatever,
for not having a life jacket on. On, what is it,
six metre or less?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
You're required, everyone aboard a recreational craft, six metre is
left to wear a properly fitted life jacket. So we
agree with that? If we all agree with that rule?

Speaker 6 (38:31):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Is that the last one? Or what's the next rule
you want?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Okay, I'll have a think about that and come back shortly.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
What are the next 25 rules you want added? Let
me have a think.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Six to two? I'll come back with that shortly.

Speaker 15 (38:42):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams, taking your calls on 0800 80 1080.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
We're out of time for my extra rules. News is next, sadly.

Speaker 1 (38:56):

Speaker 2 (39:02):

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
It is seven past two. Hope you're having a good
Friday afternoon. So the ACT party.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Tyler, put your life jacket on.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Have you got one, do you?

Speaker 5 (39:18):
I think we should extend wearing life jackets to onshore
as well.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Mate, we're only less than a K away from the ocean,
you know? Like anything can happen. Where's your life jacket,
by the way? Has Mike Hosking got one there under the?
You're the skipper.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Why aren't you wearing your life jacket? Where's Mike Hosking's
life jacket? He's got two there.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Tyler, where was your safety speech before? we launched into
this hour of the show?

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I did start it, mate, but you didn't seem interested,
so I let it go.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Anyway, sorry. Sorry, I interrupted you, my friend.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
So let's have a chat about this.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
So ACT is promising to stop motorists' money being spent
on roadside sculptures, cultural monuments, and decorative artwork saying fuel
taxes and road user charges should pay for roads instead.
So under the party's new transport policy announced today, such
non-functional art would no longer be eligible for money from
the National Land Transport Fund.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
Did you know that's where that came from?

Speaker 3 (40:12):
What was that, the non-functional art?

Speaker 6 (40:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
I didn't know it came from that pool. That's quite interesting.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Yeah, so the crackdown is one of six key changes
promised by ACT as part of their election transport policy.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
But that's a good question.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
I suppose I never thought about where all the artwork
came from when it's on the road.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
So you've got an 810,000 sculpture on the Waikato Express.
You've got a $ 2. 238 million artwork package. Where's that? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Kaikoura.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
The Aro to Clarence corridor.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
All right. Yep.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Then another $ 1.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
88 million for five sculptures near the Manawatu Gorge.

Speaker 20 (40:57):
Right.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
And that's just the ones that ACT-MP Simon Court has mentioned.
I mean, that's quite a significant amount just there. So
$ 3. 7 million spent on artwork near Wellington. Then you add
in another $ 2. 2 million, then $ 1. 88 million. So a rough calculation.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
What is that?

Speaker 4 (41:15):
That is over $ 6 million just there.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Well, they're saying that six of the ones that they've
added together came to $ 9.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
45 million. Wow.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
That's quite a lot of money, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (41:29):
That's a lot of money. So what do you think
on this?

Speaker 4 (41:31):
I mean, is this a good direction from the ACT
Party that the money that you pay through your RUCs,
through your fuel excise tax that goes into the National
Land Transport Fund, it shouldn't be spent on beautifying elements
of our roading network?

Speaker 5 (41:47):
Well, it's interesting because, you know, when you look at
the transport programme, so that forecasts $ 32. 9 billion of total
investment So it's not a lot of $ 32. 9 billion, is it?
With $ 23. 6 billion coming from the NLTF. So, you know,

(42:08):
but I mean, is that an excuse? You know, just
because the budget is so huge, then we can't afford
to just waste $ 9 million. Because, you know, that's the
pushback on the City Rail Link, right?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
So the City Rail Link could have been $ 2 billion cheaper,
at least.

Speaker 10 (42:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
If it had been more of a no-thrills kind of operation.
And so if you go, oh, well, it's already costing,
you know, $ 5 billion, $ 5. 8 billion, so what if $ 100
million of that is for stuff we didn't need, you know,
artwork and stuff?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
And I think that's a fair point.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
I mean, they've highlighted there some pretty significant, in terms
of costs, sculptures on the side of the road. But
it's not just the sculptures. It's the decorative landscaping. It
is the, you know, when you go through... Transmission Gully,
for example, there is decorative artwork on some of the
sides of that particular infrastructure. I don't actually know what

(43:01):
that means, but clearly money has been spent on that
for some sort of pattern that's been etched into the
side of that particular highway.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
It looks cool, though. I mean, I guess the thing is,
in the perfect world, if you had a lot of money,
so if you've got a house and you've got a
lot of money, you can buy really beautiful artwork and
put it on the walls.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
But if you don't have a lot of money... then
you're probably not, right? You're going to put a few
posters up, maybe.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, yeah. You want the house first rather than the artwork.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
But what do you say?

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Oh, 880, 1080.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Is this a sensible move from ACT? Do we need
to take the beautification of our roads out of that
national fund and make private individuals and organisations pay for it?

Speaker 5 (43:40):
And maybe it's more of a general type thing, bringing
in the City Rail Link, as I was That our
infrastructure should be focused on functional and not focused on
beautiful and spectacular because we're not a rich enough country
to be beautiful and spectacular. As people say, we keep

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building Ferraris. We've only got money for Toyotas.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
And nothing wrong with Toyotas.

Speaker 7 (44:06):
Lovely.

Speaker 10 (44:07):
Reliable.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
I'd probably prefer to. Drive a Toyota around town than
a Ferrari.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Great engine.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Yeah, the torque is difficult at the lights.

Speaker 7 (44:14):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
What do you say?

Speaker 4 (44:15):
0800 80 1080 is that number to call. 9292 is
the text. It is 12 past 2.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Your home of afternoon talk. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Call 0800 80 1080.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
14 past two, so actors promising to stop drivers' money
being spent on roadside sculptures and decorative artwork, saying fuel
taxes and road user charges should pay for roads instead.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
So what do you say?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
0800 80 1080 is that number to call and 9292
is the text number.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Do you not want to live in a beautiful world,
says this texter. Truck drivers are up and down these
roads all day, every day. I'm sure they appreciate the
sculptures they see. It seems well worth the money to me.
And this texter says, without this work, we will lose
our artists overseas where they can find work.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Do you agree with that, texter?

Speaker 7 (45:10):
Toke?

Speaker 15 (45:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Hey, mate. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (45:14):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (45:16):
Gotcha. You with us?

Speaker 10 (45:19):
Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 17 (45:21):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Yeah, can you hear you good, Toke?

Speaker 8 (45:24):
I agree with that, texter.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (45:27):
It's like when I first went overseas and seen all the,
you know, when you go to Rome and Mongolia, you
see all these big sculptures.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
They look amazing.

Speaker 10 (45:35):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (45:37):
You know, so.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
So you're all for, yeah, you're all for the sculptures, Tug?

Speaker 17 (45:44):
Referendum flag.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Oh, the flag referendum, yeah. That was a massive waste
of money, wasn't it? How much was that? Was that
$ 30 million, $ 25 million or something like that?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
That's the ballpark.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
And then we did a full circle. I think one
of the main problems with that is we didn't have
any good options put up. So I think the process
was terrible for that.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
It was sort of.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
Designed through committee to come up with options that no
one was ever going to get excited about. But yeah,
there's no doubt that was a waste of money, wasn't it?

Speaker 17 (46:15):
It certainly was. But, you know, I drive around the
country quite a bit and I like seeing all these
sculptures and stuff, which is, you know, when I used
to travel overseas, it just sort of reminds me of
that when you go into different countries and they have
their big statues and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
I mean, they're definitely cool.

Speaker 17 (46:36):
But you're right, we've got to have roads to them.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Yeah. Yeah, like they're definitely cool. The question is, do
we have enough money for them? When we're struggling to
do it.

Speaker 17 (46:45):
We never have enough money to do most things in
this country.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
We have to decide.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Yeah, so I think, I mean, there is something in
that if you only ever do practical things, then the
world becomes pretty boring, right?

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Yeah, so like a grey Soviet Union-style infrastructure where nothing's pretty.
It's almost like a dystopian.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Although you would say that the City Rail Link is
a lot like Stalin's Palaces of the People. Very true, yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
They went pretty crazy on the old spend up for
a while there, the Soviet Union. So do you agree
with Toke? 0800 80 1080. Is there a place for
artwork in our roading infrastructure? Do you think it can
actually be value for money, that we don't want bland
and grey and just purely functional?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
There is a place. For beauty and beautification.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Is that Stein? Is that how I'd say that person's name?

Speaker 22 (47:39):
Sten?

Speaker 5 (47:40):
Sorry if I get that wrong. Texter says, act living
the boring life. We need art. Okay. I think we
need art. It's just a matter if we're struggling to
get infrastructure done, whether we are spending too much art
on art. But, you know, like you go to a

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city like Dunedin, My hometown. And there's these beautiful murals
that have been painted on the walls and on buildings.
And I think they make the city a better place.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Yeah, there's some very cool ones. I mean, in Auckland
as well. I mean, it was a big debate in
Christchurch just with the council in terms of the art
that goes up in the inner city and how much
the council was spending on. They spent $ 1 million on
one little sculpture, a very famous artist.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
I'll look it up in a minute. But that sculpture
ended up in the Avon River and nobody really saw it.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
So, you know, that's the balance is do we need
to be spending all this money on art because we
want to look beautiful and actually vibrant places to be?
Or do we want to go, as X said, and
go fully functional because we're dirt poor at the moment
and we need to look after the roads first?

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Well, I've got two words for you and they're the
same word.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
They're both boom.

Speaker 6 (48:49):
Boom, boom.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
That's the dinosaur statue in Taupo.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
No one's complaining about Boom Boom. Certainly not Matt Heath.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
People are complaining about Boom Boom.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Are they? They don't like Boom Boom.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
People don't like Boom Boom.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
How much did they spend on Boom Boom?

Speaker 5 (49:04):
$ 100, 000.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
See, that's money well spent. That's a steal for Boom Boom.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
But if you're walking around Taupo, which is just such
a fantastic place, absolute fantastic place, it's a kind of
town where there's a lot of tourists and a lot
of people sort of walking around. And I think if
you can come across the sculpture, it kind of adds
to the character. You know, we... It's it's such a
it's such a balance right because i look at the

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city rail link and i said and i think but
i think that was sort of a vanity project for
a lot of people they wanted to leave their mark
on the world i don't necessarily think it's the art
side of that that's the problem haven't been down there
but you know they made it much bigger than it
needed to be and they extended the size of the
platforms without really consulting anyone they They made all these

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decisions that made it more spectacular because they wanted to
be involved in something of an international quality, right?

Speaker 15 (49:54):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
And so I can see that side of it. But
I also think that a completely functional world would be
a very, very depressing world. And so I'm not against
the government spending money on art.

Speaker 9 (50:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Because I think that is part of our, I think
it's a huge part of what we are. as well
as just the day-to-day of getting around.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Is it that balance there between the Louvre and maybe
a street in Bosnia? You've got to find the middle ground.
I wait 180, 1080. Nothing against Bosnia. I actually haven't been.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Maybe it is pretty. Maybe they've got lovely sculptures there. But,
you know, brutalist architecture is now considered art.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (50:36):
So you make something really functional, you wait long enough,
and it'll be art.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
9292 is the text. It is 21 past 2.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
The big stories.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
The big issues.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
The big trends. And everything in between. Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
23 past 2, so.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
We're talking about an ACT policy or promise to no
longer use the National Road Transporting Fund to pay for sculptures, beautification,
decorative things on the side of the road, just cycle
all of that money into roads themselves.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Earth without art is just eh, says this texter.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Wow, that is deep.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Is that an original quote?

Speaker 6 (51:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Well, it's not mine. Some text is sent there through.
But yeah, Earth without art is.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
It's actually very good.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Spelling-based logic is an interesting one, though, isn't it? Does
it prove your point? The news is all about people
struggling and the high cost of living, says this text.
What's more important, a pretty roadside artwork to drive past
or feeding the masses? People have pretty strange ideas about
what's important in life and someone else says... So many
texts coming through, but someone else basically said, do you

(51:53):
want a pretty plate or... The food, you eat off it.
They said it better than that.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
I get where they're coming with that, but yeah, I mean,
I think there's a balance. You were talking about this
beautiful eagle that you see as you drive into Taupo.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
So is it the fact that it's got to be
art that the vast majority can appreciate? Because sometimes art
gets purchased, and I know We start to get into
a complex conversation about what is art. But again, I
showed you, and I'm sorry to keep bringing this up,
but the statue that Christchurch City Council bought for $ 1 million,
Anthony Gormley was his name. But it's not a very
pretty statue, and they dumped it in the middle of

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the Haven River so not many people could see it.
So I think– Well, that's a million dollars. I mean,
you can love art but be disgusted by how much
money is spent on it.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
You see that all the time with the big art auctions, right?

Speaker 9 (52:44):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
I love that piece of art, but that is a
revolting amount of money to spend on it. So, you know,
we could say, look, we don't want to completely not
have art on our motorways. But let's be sensible about
how we spend the money, right? I think that would
be fair enough because if you're looking at something, if
I go, like, that's a pretty cool eagle, and then
I found out it cost a million dollars, I'm like, well,

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is that a million dollars with an eagle?

Speaker 6 (53:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Yeah, that's the other side of it.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
Maybe instead of artists, you get engineers to design it
because there's that pūtukawa at the top of Nelson Street
where you come off the motorway.

Speaker 7 (53:19):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
That was thrown together by an engineer, and that's cool.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
That is cool. And probably thrifty?

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Yeah, thriftily done.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah. Maybe that's what we need, thrifty art.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
Yeah, thrifty.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
You can get a lot done for $ 10, 000 rather than
$ 1 million. Jana, how are you?

Speaker 23 (53:36):
Yeah, hi.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (53:37):
Good.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
So what do you reckon about the art versus functionality
of roads debate?

Speaker 15 (53:42):
Well, I'm an engineer, so maybe I can start a
new career building sculptures. But I think that we can't
turn this country into an ugly concrete country. Beautification is
so important because if you look at some of the
most thriving places around the world, they actually invest in
making them look good. Because then people actually want to

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live there. And so if we don't do that, people
aren't going to want to live here. The people that
are paying the taxes with incomes are going to move
somewhere else. And importantly also, our second biggest income is
from tourism. So if we turn our country into an
ugly country because we're not going to invest in any
of those kind of things, people won't want to come
visit our country. So we'll actually impact all of our

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income as well. So I think it's really important to
invest in actually making our country a beautiful place.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
Do you think that it should come out, what budgets
it should come out of? Do you think that it
should come out of the National Land Transport Fund? Because
that's really the question. Because it's art. Should art be
covered by really what is an infrastructure fund?

Speaker 15 (54:53):
Well, I guess, look, and I'm not an expert on
any of their budgeting and where things come from, and
it probably doesn't really matter where things come from, but
I think probably the risk if it doesn't come from
the fund that comes out of the roads is that
it won't be funded at all from other people's budgets, right?
So then you'll end up in the loop where you're
just going to get total basics done, and it can

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end up, you know, turning this country into a concrete
jungle or just looking horrible. And it makes such an
impact driving through... We live just out of Fielding, so
both the motorway going over the ranges and going into Wellington,
it's awesome to drive down that now with all of

(55:37):
those art sculptures. It makes it a really enjoyable drive
and it's picturesque rather than a horrible... concrete motorway that
you see, you know, in America or wherever.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
It's an interesting one because at some point with any,
you know, you say it doesn't matter where the money
comes from in a way, and that's so true. Like,
you're just moving the same amount of no money that
we've got between different budgets, right, because we're having to
borrow money from overseas and such. But where art sits
is such a difficult one to work out because you
could go, look, we've got this $ 9 million that they're

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talking about here that's been spent on art. And you go, well,
do we weigh that up with children's health or do
we weigh that up with, you know, hospital beds or something?
You know, we can easily do that balance. But it's
a tough one, isn't it?

Speaker 15 (56:30):
Yeah, but at the same time, so imagine hospitals. So
there's a healthcare budget for hospitals as well, which absolutely
you need to prioritise having the facilities. And I think
Palmerston North has just got one of the most expensive
first piece of equipment, some technology, I think for cancer
or something like that in that country. So you've got
to put budget in there. But imagine if there was

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no budget in that healthcare budget that was allocated to
creating gardens around those hospitals or.

Speaker 16 (56:57):
You know, just making them a nice place and.

Speaker 15 (56:59):
You you went into a hospital and it was so
depressing that it killed more people than you know you
don't want to go to you don't want to go
to a horrible horrible hospital it makes such an impact.

Speaker 18 (57:10):
What you you know what that hospital looks.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
Like i think being proud of you're proud of your
city as well just to extend that out a little
bit and you know you say you say a hospital
there's a garden there that is better for the people
in the hospital's health right i think you can probably
extend that to a certain extent across the entire country Well,
that's right.

Speaker 15 (57:29):
And so I think, you know, of course, the health
care budget, if they want to do things like that, well,
then that's part of that health care budget. So then
really all of those different budgets, they're probably responsible for
an element of that to make that infrastructure that they're
creating have some beautification around it so that it actually

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is a nice piece of infrastructure that helps. then the community,
and that's the same thing as the roading. You know,
perhaps they should be paying for that as well because
the healthcare people pay for their bit. You know, probably
the education department also, there's an element where they can't
just create a concrete courtyard for the kids. They need
to put in infrastructure to make it an enjoyable school

(58:12):
as well, right?

Speaker 5 (58:14):
Oh, yeah, and you could balance budgets by filling in
every park with housing. And national parks.

Speaker 15 (58:24):
Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
So at some point, some of our spending is aesthetic
and for the experience of life. There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 15 (58:35):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
That's right.

Speaker 15 (58:37):
And I think that every department or ministry have that
responsibility themselves to be able to do that as part
of their budget and as part of the infrastructure that
they are responsible for building, whether it's schools, whether it's hospitals,
whether it's roads. So perhaps it should stay within that
particular budget.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
I guess the other side of the argument, though, is
all that budget comes from the same people, which is
the taxpayers. So that budget has moved around and whoever
at the education department or roading or whatever, it's all
coming from us.

Speaker 15 (59:11):
It is all coming ultimately from the same.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Place, yeah. Hey, but great chat. Thank you for your call.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Yeah, what a great call. I mean, I'd prefer a
nice garden. some nice plantings, a bit of a beautification,
let's call it, rather than sculptures. That's just me because,
you know, I'm not an art connoisseur, but if I'm
driving down a highway and the gardens look nice, I'll
appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Don't those gardens look nice?

Speaker 4 (59:33):
If I see a big eagle, I mean, maybe the eagle,
I haven't seen the eagle. Maybe the eagle's fantastic.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
It's good. I don't know how much it costs. I
could change my mind if it costs more than I
think it should give cost. If it costs 20 grand,
I reckon it's a great eagle.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Okay, a good 20 grand eagle. If I see a
random post pop up and apparently it's some sort of
sculpture and it has some meaning, I don't know what.
what it is because I'm driving $ 100, 000 past it.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Then I think, well, that's probably.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Not worth $ 100, 000, but the $ 100, 000 of planting and making
that garden beautiful, I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
Yeah, and a bunch of people are making the point
if you're driving around central Targo and some parts of
the South Island, a sculpture is just going to make
it less beautiful because the scenery is so good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
You can't beat that, yeah. All right, keep those calls
coming through on 0800 80 1080. Where do you sit
on this one? It is time for Headlines with Raylene.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Thank you very much, Raylene.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
So we're talking about ACT's policy or promise to get
rid of artwork out of the National Road Transport Fund
and just focus on functionality.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
This text makes a good point. The ACT policy doesn't
say that we shouldn't have art. It says we need
to look at where funding comes from. Maybe if people, iwi,
philanthropists can donate and businesses can support art, maybe we'd
end up with more art. Yeah, I mean, I think
that's a, historically, you know, you look at artworks and

(01:02:17):
they've got a little plaque saying who donated it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
I mean, that'd be pretty cool. I mean, if someone
gave me the centre of a roundabout and said, you know,
could you raise some money to put a piece of
art there that you'll see Um, you know, regularly when
you're traveling somewhere and also it'll, you know, it'll, it'll
stand the test of time and it'll be a monument
to whatever. I reckon you could probably, you know, if

(01:02:41):
they put that out to tender, right. They're like, we've
got this area here. Yeah. who wants to put a
piece of art there?

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
As a legacy to you, yeah, what you brought to
this world or whatever it may be, or just to
say this is dedicated to the life of Matt Heath.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Yeah, so maybe Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons could
put in a $ 17. 5 million sculpture on Three Mile Hill
on the way into Dunedin from Moscow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I'll be down for that. Let's start the campaign. Harry,
what's your view?

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
Sorry, is that for Harry?

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
That is for Harry.

Speaker 11 (01:03:16):
Are you Harry?

Speaker 6 (01:03:18):
Yeah, I am.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
Welcome to the show, Harry. Thanks for calling.

Speaker 10 (01:03:22):
Yeah, it's an interesting discussion.

Speaker 6 (01:03:25):
I really enjoyed the.

Speaker 10 (01:03:25):
Passion of that last lady who called.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
But I'm not entirely sure she's right.

Speaker 10 (01:03:31):
The question is, at the end of the day, all
of the money comes from the public, even if a
business donates money piece of sculpture means the public's gone out,
spent some money with that business and they charge more
than they need to to pay for the sculpture. My

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point of view is that can you imagine what the
bloke who's sitting in his lounge at the moment with
cancer requiring a drug that will extend his life or
actually maybe even save his life that's not available. It's
about priorities, isn't it? And at this particular point in

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time in history, we don't have much money in our
back pocket or in our wallet. And you can put
a sculpture up at any time. You build the road now,
and when the economy's recovered and we've got money in
the bank, we don't own debt, maybe that's the time

(01:04:41):
to start doing this stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Right, so you go, there's this here, as designated spot
for a sculpture, we can't afford it now, when the
rock star economy comes back, then we'll spend that money
on the sculpture. I guess we will never, it's a
difficult one, isn't it? Because there's lots of trade-offs that
we have, and we spend a lot of money on things,

(01:05:08):
but Yeah, it's a tough one. Pāna mi says that
the beautification of the world has health benefits as well,
you know, and feeling proud of your country and all
those kind of things and patriotism and thinking this place

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is amazing, look at all the amazing things we've got.
While some of them won't be fully functional, there is– potentially,
and it's a bit ethereal what I'm saying here, Harry,
but there's kind of a benefit of that as well.

Speaker 6 (01:05:44):
I completely agree.

Speaker 10 (01:05:47):
But, you know, the two things that are, is it
the right time to be doing this now? And are
we getting value for money?

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
You know, are those sculptures? That's a good question there.
Because I think everyone is shocked whenever they find out
how much has been spent.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
Hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
You know, you might think we need some sculptures, but
then you might go, well, I think we could have
probably drilled that artist down a little bit more. I'm
not sure if they were getting a lot of offers
from other people here. We could have probably got that
one a bit cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah, could have negotiated harder.

Speaker 10 (01:06:20):
You can also look at, you know, moving the argument
quite a lot, but if you look at how much
we spend on health and safety when you go down
a road while it's going on in the area I
live in at the moment where there are road cones
and half a dozen people controlling road work in the

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middle of the day in a rural area where there's
one guy on a digger and another guy with a
shovel actually doing the work. We've got six people overseeing
their supposed safety in an area that probably doesn't need it.
It's all about priorities, isn't it? All of our priorities

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change an awful lot depending upon how much Money we've
got in the bank and, you know, how much we owe.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
Well, I mean, they definitely do for citizens.

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
You know, as I said before, you know, I might
want to go down to an art auction and buy
a pretty spectacular piece of art.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
I might not be able to afford it right now,
but it definitely would look great.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
In the hallway.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
It would certainly look good, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
It would definitely make me happier walking to the bathroom
in the middle of the night when I need a wee.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Worth a second mortgage?

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
But yeah, right now I probably can't afford that Colin
McCann when it pops up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Thank you very much for your call, Harry.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
0800 80 1080 is the number to call keen on
your view as well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
It's 18 to 3.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Quarter to three.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
So ACT doesn't want the National Land Transport Fund to
be used for artwork and sculptures and decorative works alongside
our roads. Their argument is that money should be used
just for road maintenance. Do you agree? 0800 80 1080
is that number to call and 9292 is the text.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
So this text, this is a really interesting point and
I'm just trying to find it. I can't because somebody
come in. Oh, no, this is an absolute disaster. Oh,
what an absolute disaster. How highly unprofessional.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
We've had thousands and thousands of texts on this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
Highly unprofessional of me to go to read out a
text and then not be able to find it as
I scroll back. It's exciting radio. Is anyone enjoying listening
to me scrolling?

Speaker 7 (01:08:33):
I am.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
This is good.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
If we could have a scrolling sound effect.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
It would really elevate this segment of the show.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Yeah, anyway, we're not going to get there.

Speaker 9 (01:08:43):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
We'll come back to that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
Okay.

Speaker 20 (01:08:46):
All right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
It was going to be a good text. I know it.
I felt it in my loins.

Speaker 9 (01:08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
Anyway, basically the gist of it was that thing of Moscow.
And a lot of people were talking about Moscow and
how it has a lot of beautiful artwork around it
and stuff. But in communism, in the times of Stalin,
they were spending all this money on the Palace of
the People, which was their underground, and these major art

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projects and stuff. Meanwhile, everyone was living in a box.
And so they were making that point now, is that
the government is spending a whole lot of money on
these beautiful art projects while everyday people are struggling, is
the point. And I'd love to have found it. And
I'm so stoked that everyone came on that journey with me,
although I didn't find it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
That was a beautiful journey. We'll see if we can
track that down, though. 9292, if you want to send
your own text. Catherine, gardens and statues. Are you a
lover or a hater?

Speaker 18 (01:09:40):
I'm a fence sitter. Like, I've currently just travelled the
Taupo Bypass. And there's not one statue on the roundabouts,
but yet it's a great piece of road. But then
you can look at the Manawatu Gorge Road, which is
a stunning piece of road, but it's an overkill on
the artwork and the plantings.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
Hey, whereabouts, so when I'm driving, because I drive down
to Taupo a lot, but I'm not a very observant person,
but there's a point where you turn right coming down
from Auckland around a roundabout and there's a giant eagle
in the middle of the roundabout. Whereabouts is that?

Speaker 18 (01:10:18):
See, I'm on the southern end, so I've come from.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
The Turangi end.

Speaker 18 (01:10:22):
So I've come past the airport, past the Mitre 10 roundabout.
There's no artwork, and you don't need it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 18 (01:10:30):
But I think it's about the lack of transparency when
we're priced to the new road, and you don't know
how much is going on plantings, how much is going
on statues.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
And somewhere along.

Speaker 18 (01:10:40):
The line, it became okay to put a few more
zeros on the price of artwork.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Yeah, and I wonder if it's seen in a way
as a sort of way to pay these artists, if
you know what I mean. It's a way to support
art as much as it is to give something for
motorists to look at.

Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 9 (01:11:02):
Artists have to kind of support themselves.

Speaker 18 (01:11:04):
I mean, if you're spending over a million bucks on
a statue, you need to head read.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
Well, you need to ask around who else is trying
to buy it. Yeah. If no one else is making
an offer, then a million dollars is too much.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
You've got some leverage there.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:11:18):
Yeah, well, we're never going to find that, honestly, are we?

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Thank you for your call, Catherine. So the giant eagle
I'm talking about, where's that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Yeah, so it's called the Bird of Peace sculpture by
a world-renowned Tainui artist. So it is at the intersection
of State Highway 1 and 29 in Piariri.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
I mean, it's a beautiful statue. It's spectacular. I always
look at it and go, that's cool. But how much
did it cost? That's the question.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Let's see if I can find the information there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
I mean, it is striking when you... Go past it. Okay,
here we go. I've got the total cost of it.
You tell me if you're okay with this.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
I was thinking between $ 20, 000 and $ 50, 000. Way short.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Way short. So it's in the six figures. So it
starts with a six, $ 600. Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 8 (01:12:04):
$ 30, 599.

Speaker 6 (01:12:04):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Sold or find another buyer.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
So that's in the middle ground. That's not $ 3. 3 million,
but it's.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Not $ 20, 000.

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
I mean, $ 600, 000, you can build a functional structure with bathrooms.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
That's a three-bedroom house.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
And electricity. You know, this is just a hunk of metal.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
You're on the fence, though. You're thinking about that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
I mean, see, I'm on the fence on the whole
thing because I think it's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
But I just think that $ 600, 000 is far too much
for it. You know, get an engineer to just go
to an engineer. We want an eagle. They'll throw it
together for a lot cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Get some scrap metal, yeah. Jeff, your thoughts on this, please.

Speaker 20 (01:12:51):
Oh, yeah, just thinking that he shot themselves in the
foot here because there's no way you can just have
straight roads and nothing sort of. decorative around the place,
you know? I mean, never works in a house. I

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can't see how I don't work in a road. The
only thing I was thinking of, we need diversity, you know? Like,
I live in Whangarei, and we've got a honded basa there,
and Kawakawa's got a honded basa. And between Whangarei and Kawakawa,
we've got some beautiful Maori sculptures, but We don't have
any sort of gardens or anything like that as a change,

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you know?

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
Right, yeah. So art as well as, you know, beautification,
not just art beautification, but beautification that includes, you know,
planting the right trees, planting the right plants, maybe a
water feature, that kind of thing, Geoff?

Speaker 20 (01:13:53):
Yeah, that sort of thing, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:13:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:13:55):
And also... People are saying, you know, just wait, you know,
wait till you've got some money. But once you start
pissing around with the road, that's the time to do it.
Even if you haven't really got the extra money to
handle it, because if you come back to it, it's
going to cost five times as much.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
So true.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
No one would ever come back. If you said this
is designated and we're going to come back when the
country's rich and then just, Place sculptures everywhere. That's not
going to happen. Nero's not going to come in charge
and start building giants. I mean, that's the interesting thing.
Governments of old and people go to these old cities

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and they go, oh, look at this beautiful art. A
lot of that was tributes to themselves. So would you
be happy with a giant Luxon sculpture on a roundabout?

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
I wouldn't be opposed to it. Is that value for money?
Tell us, 9292. Geoff, thank you very much for your call, mate.
0800 80 1080 is the number.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
The artwork along the expressway in Wellington was paid for
by Gareth Morgan. So it wouldn't have been of a
cat then.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
I think that's safe. Right, back very shortly. It is
eight minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Newstalk ZB. It is six to three.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
A bunch of people are saying, why don't they tender
it out first? So, you know, before the government pays
for the art, you go, here's the spot here, and
then you look around to see if someone wants to
pay for it before you immediately use taxpayer money on it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
It's a great idea because there'll be a lot of
very wealthy people out there, or maybe not so wealthy people,
but as you mentioned a little bit earlier, that legacy,
you could say.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Here is a monument to Matt Heath.

Speaker 5 (01:15:40):
Well, there might be something that's important to them that
they want to get out there. You know, someone that
deserves to be remembered or something, or something that deserves
to be remembered. Get it out there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Smart idea. A couple more texts.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
I'm all for the monument artwork idea for the Matt
and Tyler Afternoons News Talk ZB roundabout centrepiece. I think
a large phallic design would be apt. And I would
like to pledge $ 50 donation to start.

Speaker 6 (01:16:04):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
Are we going to get signed off on a giant
phallic Matt and Tyler sculpture.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
On a roundabout?

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
We'll take your 50 bucks. I mean, I want some
nice shrubbery down the bottom.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
Yeah, we'll take that 50 bucks and start looking into it.
You know, that can be the money we need to
start a feasibility plan.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
That's a consultation fee.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Right, great discussion.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
Thank you to everybody who gave us a call and
text through on that. Very interesting idea from ACT, and
we'll see where that goes as the election gets ever closer.
But coming up after three o'clock, we speak to a
gentleman called Mark Law. He's a former SAS soldier, worked
with the British SAS. And he spent years doing private
security work in some of the craziest places in the world.
But it is what happened in 2019, December, that most

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New Zealanders will remember him for. When Whakaari, White Island, erupted,
he and a group of fellow pilots flew into that
disaster to rescue him. many people who were on that island.
He's got a new book out called Lucky You're Tough
about his extraordinary life. So we're going to have a
chat to the great New Zealander, Mark Law, very shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
New sport and weather fast approaching.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
You're listening to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams on your
Friday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Great to have your company. Stay here. We will be
back with Mark Law in a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Newstalk ZV.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
G'day to you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
Welcome back into the show. So coming up very shortly,
we are going to have a chat with Mark Law.
For many Kiwis, his name is forever linked to the
December 9, 2019, and the eruption of Whakaari White Island.
While the island was still inactive and deadly scene, Mark
and several other pilots made the decision to go in
and get people out, and he's just released his new book,
Lucky You're Tough.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
Yeah, and I've got a copy of it right here.
Lucky You're Tough chronicles the life of... helicopter pilot and
NZ SAS soldier Mark Law from growing up in the
rural wild lands through to surviving a series of life-threatening
events that would shape his life and career. So really,
the guy has lived an incredible life.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Yeah, incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
But we have a copy of the book to give away.
So I'm just trying to think how we'll give that away.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Should we give away a text?

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
Yeah, let's give away a text. How about this? Text
BRAVERY to 9292. And you could win a copy of
this fantastic book, Mark Law, from the NZ SAS to
White Island, A Story of Service and Adventure. Lucky you're tough.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
There you go. It's out now.

Speaker 6 (01:18:49):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Text BRAVERY through to 9292 if you're the 50th person through.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
If you don't know how to spell bravery, it's B-R-A-V-E-R-Y, okay?

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
That's a good PSA right there. But if you want
to get in the draw, 9292, you know what you
need to do. But coming up in a few minutes,
our chat with the great New Zealander, Mark Law. It
is eight past three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
News talk ZB. So Mark Law is a former SAS soldier.
He worked with the British SAS, spent years doing private
security work in some of the world's most dangerous places,
and then came home and became a helicopter operator in
the Bay of Plenty. But it's what happened on December 9, 2019,
that most New Zealanders will remember him for. When Whakaari erupted,

(01:19:33):
Mark and a group of fellow pilots flew into an
active volcanic disaster when the official rescue response wasn't coming.
They found badly injured survivors and flew them off the island,
knowing that there was a very real chance the volcano
could erupt again. They were later awarded... some of the
country's highest bravery honours. Mark's extraordinary life from rural Taranaki
to the SAS war zones and eventually Whakaari is in

(01:19:56):
his new book, Lucky You're Tough.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
And Mark Lord joins us now. Mark, g'day.

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
Yeah, g'day boys.

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
Hey Mark, take us right back to SAS selection and training.
What was that like? What did you go through mentally
and physically to find out whether you had what it
takes to get through?

Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
Yeah, so the New Zealand selection course was, there was nothing,
not a lot of information about it when we were,
you know, just joined the army. So there was a
couple of books around, but the general sort of information
was that, you know, for the most part, you had
a big pack on and you walked a whole bunch

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of distances for many days and, And you had to
make sure that you met those timings to ensure that
you carried on every day. And someday, one of the days,
it was going to end. There was a couple of
specific sort of, I suppose, challenges in there. The last
one being the endurance walk, the 60K walk. So I

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was able to fortunately get on the selection course and
be nominated to have a crack. And so, yeah, so
I set out there to do that. And, yeah, it
was certainly different than what I had expected, but sort
of based around the same things. And, yeah, it was
a massive challenge. I think I would have been okay
if my feet weren't. destroyed by some my blisters caused

(01:21:21):
by tight boots but anyway regardless of that it was
still a massive effort so mentally just had to push
through the pain of the feet coming apart and taking
them up every day but otherwise it was just sort
of dig it in and finally the nine days come
to an end.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
Wow and was there any point going at you thinking
I just can't do this I can't make it and
if so how did you keep going?

Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
Yeah, on the last day, the 60km, I was nearly
at the end, but it was night time. I had
no idea other than I thought I was getting really close.
But by then, my legs, my feet were just a
massive puff around where the blisters had been popping and
had sort of endured all those days of walking on.

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I had sort of tracking up my legs. And I
remember resting on this bank on a road and that
we were walking on. And it just was like I
just couldn't get my legs to go. They just wouldn't
keep moving. And I remember thinking, damn, you know, come on, legs.
You know, we're so close. And a good mate later

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on came along. I didn't know him at the time. And, uh,
he pulled in beside me and said, look, mate, you
just got to keep going. It's real close. The final
RV is close. And, um, so yeah, that was, you know,
got me through. And, um, just not long after that,
you know, I finally found the last truck.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
Yeah, and once you've got these skills, you know, you're
in a different league from basically anyone else. Very few
people are in the same league as you, and you
ended up in hot spots like Angola. And in the book,
there's a bit where you're attacked and a grenade actually
shoved into your mouth. When you've lived through something like that,
that most of us will never even get close to experiencing,

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does that change, I guess, your relationship with fear? Does
that make you more resilient after the fact? Does it
change you?

Speaker 6 (01:23:16):
Yeah, I reckon it does. It does change. You know,
what it's like with experiences, you know, once you've had
something go on in your life, it wasn't as so
scary or you didn't think about it as much. And
that's what has happened to me. You know, all the
different situations that while being through, you know, it definitely

(01:23:37):
helps when you arrive at the next one, albeit not
looking for it. It's just if it pops up, you know,
you're sort of well better armed mentally and physically to,
you know, to get into it or take it on
or react or do something. So, yeah, those situations, you know,
with the grenade in the mouth and that, you know,
I certainly wasn't contemplating that. I was too worried about

(01:23:58):
trying to find my false tooth at the bottom of
the Land Rover. And then when I felt that, you know,
I was like, oh, man, what the heck. But I
always knew, you know. I don't think he's going to
pull the pin and leave it in there, you know,
because he was sitting.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
On top of me.

Speaker 6 (01:24:10):
But, you know, it was just something in passing. It
wasn't until you sort of recollect later on, you're like, oh, yeah,
what a bloody dickhead, you know, trying to terrorise us. But, yeah,
you're just sort of focused on trying to sort of
survive and get away at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
An unreal situation, Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
So after all that, and you certainly experienced some pretty
crazy situations abroad. You came home to New Zealand to
start a helicopter company. Did that feel like you were
choosing a bit of a quieter life?

Speaker 6 (01:24:36):
Yeah. Yeah, no, it did. Yeah. Well, the industry I
got into, shooting deer and shooting and recovering deer for
human consumption, you know, like a little bit naive of me.
I sort of like, I think I like the look
of it and, you know, I love hunting and flying,
but man, it was a tough gig. and a lot
of people passed away, sadly. So, yeah, but it was

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sort of nicer to be home in New Zealand. I
loved being there. It was peaceful. So it was good
to get away from that tempo and all that uncertainty
and high risk.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
Yeah, then December 9, 2019 happens, and you see that
enormous plume coming off the island. What went through your
head at that point, Mark?

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
I thought... I thought the island had erupted, but I
wasn't too sure sort of the magnitude of it. And
then some phone calls went down really quickly between my staff,
Tim Barrow, Volcanic, and when we just did a quick
ring around, you know, trying to find, talk to PJ,
talk to a charter boat fisherman friend out there. And

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then we very quickly learned that it was a significant eruption.
And so.
And then that, coupled with Tim's helicopter with his pilot
and crew were still there. They were actually, we knew
they were actually on the island. And so, yeah, that
just sort of, you know, drove us to, you know,

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for me to get to the hangar quickly. Jason was there.
He quickly prepped two helicopters, called another pilot in, got
all a bunch of gear ready, some order and more
masks and bits and pieces and thought, right, we'll go
out there and have a look for the heli or
have a look for the crew on the helicopter.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
We're talking with Mark Law, a helicopter pilot who flew
in to rescue people when White Island erupted on his
new memoir, Lucky You're Tough.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
More in a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
You're listening to Newstalk ZB with Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Call 0800 80 1080 on Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
We're talking to Mark Law, a helicopter pilot who led
a rescue operation when White Island erupted on his new memoir,
Lucky You're Tough. So after the eruption, Mark, and quite rightly,
you expected the rescue emergency services to be helping you
with that operation. What went through your head when you
were told they weren't coming?

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
Not much other than, oh, you know, like, wow, okay,
they're not coming. And then it was just like, within seconds, right,
it's us, you know, we're on. Right, so I've been
telling everyone, and Tommy and Jason have been talking to
people on the ground, and yeah. And saying, like, help's coming,

(01:27:24):
you know, and we're with you, you know, we'll help you.
But all of a sudden that's just turned into, well,
that's us guys. We're going to do that. So, yeah,
it was OK. I quickly formulated a plan and told
the boys what was going to go on. And then
we got stuck into it. So, yes, so now we,

(01:27:45):
so ourselves, you know, obviously, yeah, got that plan going.
Tim arrived in his helicopter and one other, so informed
him as well of the plan, and that was it.
We were underway.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
For you, it makes perfect sense to do that. You're
not even thinking about it. But for most people, it
wouldn't have been such an instant decision to to go
and help. I mean, that's the heroic nature of it.
And when you landed on the island and saw what
had happened to those people, some that you knew well,
you know, you did what can only be described as

(01:28:16):
heroic things. And how much did SAS training and other
experiences in your life come into play? And how much
was it that instinct just to help other people? Kind
of a difficult question to ask, I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:28:29):
No, no, that's a good one. You know, like you're
trying to get across, you know, what others might feel.
But essentially, I reckon all New Zealanders have got that little,
that want to help. So that flagged up straight away.
And we're just fortunate that with helicopters, we could fly. So,
you know, we could. burn across that 50 kilometres of water,

(01:28:50):
get to the island really quick. So that was helpful.
It wasn't until we sort of got to the island
and you could see the, you know, the crater or
the damage, I suppose, from the eruption. The column was
just pumping ash and you could see all the ash

(01:29:10):
across the island. And then we saw the helicopter fly
And then it wasn't until I sort of saw some
people on the island that I thought, okay, I'm landing,
I'm going to go and see them. And then once
we jumped out and it was just incredibly tough going
to breathe. And then it was just bang, just straight
into people, you know, dealing with people that are hurt.

(01:29:32):
And fortunately, my army and particularly the regiment and some
post-regiment stuff, it's sort of all those experiences just sort
of flooded in without me, you know, just subconsciously. And
I was into it, you know, and I was just, okay,
there's a person there, a person there, a whole bunch
of them, some friendly couple of guys that we knew.
And it was just, right, let's just take care of

(01:29:52):
these people quickly. as fast as we can, try and
help them. And in the background, just formulate a plan
to get these people off. Obviously, there's a couple of
other boys there. Tom and Jason, it was just to
make sure that they were on the same program. This
was the plan. Tim arrived and it was just, yeah,
just making sure the comms was going and we're just
relaying back up to John on the plane above to,

(01:30:14):
you know, warn out what was going on on the
island and what we were going to do.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
I mean, people were so lucky to have someone, A,
with the inclination to do it, the choppers to do it,
and also the training to what you're clearly talking about,
the coordination and making sure everyone's on the same plan.
I mean, those are three very, very helpful things to
come along for the people that were in need that day.

(01:30:38):
How did you process what happened over the days and
weeks that followed the incident?

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
I was a real mix of sort of emotions and
what was happening. You know, like very quickly you were
sort of wrapped up in the thoughts that there was
all these people that had got off. Then there was
all these people that were still on the island or
being that passed away. So that was conflicting. Then we

(01:31:06):
were straight away under an investigation with the police, which
was fine and understandable. But then we were sort of
right up against this massive group body of people and
organisations that came in and just felt like it started
to stall and people were trying their best but the
big wheel was turning and it just sort of morphed
into something that wasn't to me, didn't feel like we

(01:31:27):
were achieving any aim. Everyone was really worried about risk
and stuff like that so It was a real mix there.
There was a lot of people desperate to find out
about their family members and no one was talking. I
decided to start talking to reporters and others just to

(01:31:48):
let them know what was going on because there was
just no information there. So it was going up and
down with regards to what we were doing. Obviously, I
realised that my whole business was done. Because 80% of
my business was White Island at that time, was a
bit limited on income stream. And so that dawned on
me that I was going to have to let everyone
go and aircraft and did we damage any aircraft, the
least ones and so on and so forth. So yeah,

(01:32:12):
it was so much going on and they sort of
didn't really have time to dwell. You're just like, right,
please take care of, you know, should we go out?
We've made a plan to actually go back out and
get those other people off the island if nothing happened.
So there was a lot of things going on in
that short time after.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
We're talking with Mark Law, a helicopter pilot who saved
people on White Island the day it erupted on his
new memoir, Lucky You're Tough. And then after all of that, Mark,
there was another big curveball coming your way.

Speaker 23 (01:32:42):
One of the pilots who helped rescue people from Whakaari,
White Island, feels he's been labelled a criminal by our
health and safety watchdog. Mark Law is charged in relation
to the lead-up to the eruption.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
Of that, I mean, you saved people that day and
you received one of the New Zealand's highest bravery awards.
But then, and it was, you know, to many, most Kiwis, heartless, pedantic,
it was illogical. And you had 140,000 people sign that petition.
I mean, how did you deal with with that when
WorkSafe said, we're going to investigate you and prosecute you?

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
Yeah, we had open arms about the investigation from WorkSafe
because we're pretty... Our sector of work, aviation, is pretty regulated,
so we're used to audits and things like that. So
I welcomed that. The people that were investigating us were
great WorkSafe investigators. We had a great relationship with them
for the eight months that they were here. We also...

(01:33:36):
But it was weird... that the investigation came out, it
was really light on detail, so much so that they
were investigating us for three years up to the time
of the eruption, but nothing of the eruption and nothing thereafter.
So that was a strange one. We didn't have anyone
on the island at that time, but obviously we were
conducting tours. And so it unfolded. Once it was announced

(01:34:01):
that we were going to be criminally charged, that was
really hard to get your head around, that's for sure,
you know, because, you know, it wasn't as if we
were sort of, you know, going out to, seeking out
to hurt people, you know, like criminally minded. You know,
we were just going about our business. We thought we
were doing as much as we could possibly do to

(01:34:23):
look after people. So, yeah, once that dropped, that was
a hard pill to swallow. And then that whole process
sort of evolved. But then in the background, you know,
to learn what happened to all that good work that
those investigators did. sort of nearly mattered naught once it

(01:34:43):
went to senior management and then into the great grinder
of senior management of WorkSafe, the lawyers, et cetera, et cetera.
And then, you know, finally we were checkmated. It just,
that was a bloody travesty, I reckon. And it was
something that I really struggled with in that whole process.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
Oh, man, it would totally piss you off.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
Heck yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
I mean, it's an understatement to put it like that.
And now the book is out, Lucky You're Tough. What
do you hope people will take away from the book, Mark?

Speaker 6 (01:35:18):
I think a lot of people really wanted to find
out what we did on White Island. There's a huge
amount of curiosity and interest in what happened with the
WorkSafe investigation. So I think that's going to be a
nice piece for New Zealanders to sort of read and
sort of get a feel for themselves and understanding of

(01:35:38):
what went on. And then, yeah, I just, when I
was a young fella, I was growing up, you know,
there was people I really, I thought were quite sort
of heroic and did amazing things. And I love those books,
you know, and I love people that were out there
doing that sort of stuff. And so I, you know,
hope that some, you know, younger fellas and younger ladies,

(01:36:01):
you know, get to read it and get some inspiration
and aspiration from it. and, you know, like charge ahead and,
you know, try and do interesting things and good things and,
you know, sort of just carry on that good New
Zealand flavour that we have here, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Now, this will sound like a trite question, but I
think people will be interested in the answer, Mark. You
were clearly a hero, as were others there that day.
You were given, obviously, one of the country's highest bravery awards,
and then your company was prosecuted. So after everything that
happened after 2019, do you think you would make exactly
the same decision and fly back to that island?

Speaker 6 (01:36:36):
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And knowing what I know now, I
wouldn't have stopped for anyone. Because, you know, what are
they going to do in New Zealand? No one's going
to come along and arrest you or anything like that.
We should have just climbed back in those helicopters and
just flew back out there like we wanted to do
and grabbed everyone off that island. And it would have
saved a whole bunch of heartache and been helpful for

(01:36:56):
a lot of people. So, yeah, absolutely. I would never
not change it at all.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
Mark, you're a great Kiwi. Thank you very much for
chatting with us. Lucky You're Tough is the name of
his book. It is out now in all good bookstores.
An extraordinary story from an extraordinary Kiwi. Mark, thank you
very much, mate.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
No, thank you. Thanks, boys.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
That is Mark Law in the name of the book again,
Lucky You're Tough. Go and find it in bookstores and
incredible read. You're listening to Newstalk ZB, back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
The Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. New Zealander of
the Week.

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
Amazing news, Newstalk ZB. It's time once again for the
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on Newstalk ZB New
Zealander of the Week. Again, we shall equally celebrate three
powerful New Zealanders. And remember, this is the most inclusive
awards on planet Earth. Any human, plant, concept, smell, small, immature, juvenile, fish,
billionaire or heroic aviator can be honoured. So let's get the.

Speaker 6 (01:39:11):
F * * * on with it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:16):
If Auckland FC has taught us anything about sport in
New Zealand, it's this. You need as many billionaires involved
as you can get. It's a formula that's worked globally
for the American football, for the ice hockey, baseball, European football,
Indian cricket, and now in little old New Zealand, netball. So,

(01:39:36):
for bringing the bucks to back our beloved stuck-in-the-mud basketball,
Anna Mowbray and Ali Williams, you are a couple of
netball-saving New Zealanders of the Week. They are small, white,
worm-shaped wonders with big, happy black eyes. They're often found
fried up with egg, flour and rammed between buttery white

(01:39:59):
death with a squirt of lemon just for fun. But
all is not well in the whitebait world. Fights on
the riverbanks, commercial operators taking the piss, and worst of all,
know-nothing afternoon talkback hosts have been claiming whitebait add little
to a fritter but their crunchy eyes. Whatever you think,
there is no doubt, baiting brings families together. So with

(01:40:22):
the season open this week, to those about to net,
we salute you. When a giant volcano violently erupts, most
people get as far away as possible. On December 9, 2019,
this man and his team did the exact opposite. They

(01:40:43):
risked it all for others, flying into toxic gas, ash
and unbelievable heat to rescue anyone they could. And they
did all this with a good chance the volcano would
go off again and they wouldn't return. The official rescue
was cancelled. There was no one else to help. So
this man took charge of his fearless flying buddies and
saved 12 lives. human lives this week his inspirational book

(01:41:06):
lucky you are tough is in stores it's the complete
story of this sas legend and whakaari white island hero
and it's a fantastic read helicopter hero mark law you
are the most deserving new zealander of the week we
could possibly imagine thank you for your service and take
it away sir howard morrison.

Speaker 22 (01:41:40):
When I saw that the sport was struggling, it actually
broke a piece of me.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
This is my song.

Speaker 22 (01:42:01):
We cannot take away that aspiration from our young girls.

Speaker 13 (01:42:04):
How great thou art.

Speaker 8 (01:42:09):
We can just go on the river, catch a feed,
go home, cook up for the whanau.

Speaker 7 (01:42:13):
It's just a bit.

Speaker 6 (01:42:15):
How great thou art.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
The Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, New Zealander of
the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
22 to 4, outstanding.

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
And we mentioned we've got a copy of Mark Law's book,
Lucky You're Tough, to give away to one lucky winner.
Had thousands, thousands of people texting bravery through. Thank you
very much, but there can only be one, so congratulations
to Desiree Feast of Masterton.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
One of Mark Law's books is going to be coming
directly to you.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
What's that name again? Desiree Feast.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Desiree Feast.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
What a great name.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
It's a lovely name.

Speaker 7 (01:43:09):
Isn't it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:09):
What a fantastic name.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
And Masterson, what a place.

Speaker 10 (01:43:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
So congratulations. That copy of your book is coming your way.

Speaker 9 (01:43:15):
Brilliant.

Speaker 6 (01:43:16):
Brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Right, coming up next, of course, one.

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
Of the big sporting features on the weekend, Sunday morning,
very early, 3 a.m. kickoff, is the All Blacks versus
South Africa. So we're going to catch up with Elliot Smith,
who is on the ground in Johannesburg. That is coming
up next. It is 21 to 4.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams, with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
Newstalk ZB, so the All Blacks have responded to that
loss in Cape Town with some pretty bold selection changes
ahead of that third test against the Springboks early morning Sunday.
Newstalk ZB's voice of rugby, Elliot Smith, is with us
once again from Johannesburg.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Elliot, g'day.

Speaker 7 (01:43:58):
G'day, good to catch up.

Speaker 5 (01:43:59):
Now let's start with the big selection call. Cody Taylor
is out and Asafo Amua starts. How big a call
is that from Dave Rennie?

Speaker 7 (01:44:08):
Yeah, I think it's a pretty big one. Look, the
line out last week was a little bit of a
shambles and Cody Taylor played his part in that and
so too. to the Salfa Oumu. But I think the
key with the Oumu selection is just how dynamic he
is as a ball runner. And the All Blacks would
probably lack someone in the first 40, 50 minutes with

(01:44:28):
the ability to bend the spring box line and put
them under defensive pressure. So someone like him coming in,
along with the other changes, which I'm sure we'll get
to as well, suggests that the All Blacks want to
run the spring box a little bit ragged if they
possibly can and especially early on in the games. And
they haven't started particularly well in either of the two

(01:44:49):
test matches so far. They've been on the back foot. Ultimately,
they responded at Alice Park, didn't respond last week soon
enough in Cape Town to get the victory. So I
think they want to come in guns blazing from the
get-go in a selection like Asafa Oumuamua, who is a
little bit of a human wrecking ball and runs over
people for fun with ball in hand, is exactly what

(01:45:12):
the All Blacks want in this game.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
And Peter Larkeye, he gets his first start since the
opening test against France. What do you think he brings
that the All Blacks have been missing?

Speaker 7 (01:45:21):
Well, pretty similar to Amour as well. He's got a
great running game. And this is probably in comparison to
Simon Parker, who replaces in the run-on side Parker, a
better defensive player. He really shut down the Springboks loose
forward trio on their carries last week.

Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
He was probably playing.

Speaker 7 (01:45:39):
His best test match, I thought, last week. But what
Larkeye does... Similarly to Omua is that he's a great runner,
a great ball runner, and almost plays like a back sometimes,
the ability to break the line and glide through gaps.
So I think his selection points to a desire to
run the spring box around a little bit during the

(01:46:02):
first spell, keep them a little bit fatigued or get
them a little bit fatigued, earlier on in the contest
and then hope that the All Blacks are able to
take charge late in the game like they have in
the previous two matches. So I think there's a little
bit of similarity between the changes there with Amor and
with Lakai and exactly what Dave Rennie wants.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
Now the back line is unchanged. Is that a sign
that Rennie thinks the backs weren't the problem in Cape
Town or does he simply believe this combination can still
hurt South Africa?

Speaker 7 (01:46:31):
Yeah, I think the backs were pretty good last week,
and I don't know that there's anyone banging on the
door necessarily to be on the starting side. Obviously, a
few players might have claims, but the midfield of Barrett
and Tapaya is developing really well. Leroy Carter was probably
the All Blacks' best last week on the left wing.
Will Jordan is an automatic selection on the right wing,

(01:46:52):
and then you've got Roy Guards and Lovett, 9-10, and McKenzie.
at fullback so unless they needed to rest someone or
rotate out through injury I didn't see any need for
a change. That may come next week, potentially in the
fourth test, depending on the way that Saturday goes. But
they've put the faith in those players. Again, it wasn't
Reuben Love's best test last week, but again, this is

(01:47:14):
what Rennie is doing, is rewarding those players with another opportunity.
And we saw what the backs were able to do
when they did get that time and space later on
in the game last week. They were able to really
stretch the spring box, so he'll be asking for more
of the same this week.

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
Now the flyover controversy, it's reached peak outrage over here
and now it's been cancelled. What's the talk on the
ground over that reaction?

Speaker 7 (01:47:38):
Well, they absolutely love it, and they can't quite believe
the reaction that it's garnered around New Zealand and around
the world in terms of the people criticising it. This
has been part of Springbok Rugby since 1995 when it
flew over before the Rugby World Cup final. It's traditionally
been at Alice Park. They've rolled it out for the

(01:47:59):
last few years. They've expanded it and moved it into
Cape Town and other matches, and they're going to do
it again soon. this weekend from my experience in the
stadium yeah I thought they were low it looked like
maybe they were going to come in too low but
you know that you trust the pilots who have flown
a million hours in their lives to do the job

(01:48:19):
and it was spectacular it was gear raising it was
absolutely brilliant and I'm gutted that we won't get it
this weekend I think it's a real shame I'm sure
the commentary from New Zealand and around the world, you know,
suggesting it was reckless, et cetera, has played a part
in it, but I think it's just shown why we
could never do anything like that in New Zealand. We're

(01:48:40):
so risk-averse. It was utterly spectacular, jaw-dropping sort of stuff,
and created a perfect atmosphere for the game. So, yep,
I think the fun police have won this one. Yeah,
I think it's all very well to criticise it from
20,000 miles away, but being in the stadium, yep, I
thought it was pretty special.

Speaker 5 (01:48:59):
All right, here's the big one. Elliot, what's your prediction?

Speaker 6 (01:49:03):
Well, I've gotten.

Speaker 7 (01:49:03):
Predictions wrong every week so far. I said the All
Blacks by three in the first game. I said the
All Blacks by four last week. I'm going to go
by All Blacks by two this week. I think they
can do it. I think altitude suits them heading back here. Look,
if they can play that game style that we talked
about earlier with the way that Omola, Derry, Lakai have
come into the team, then the All Blacks can knock

(01:49:24):
over the Springboks team. I genuinely believe that. So, look,
it's been a great series so far. Final game in
South Africa. Really looking forward to it, and hopefully we
get another quality test match to match it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Looking forward to it. Elliot, thank you very much for
the catch-up again, mate. Enjoy the game, enjoy the call,
and we'll catch up before Baltimore.

Speaker 7 (01:49:43):
Look forward to it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
That is Elliot Smith, Newstalk ZB's voice of rugby. You're
listening to Newstalk ZB, back very shortly. In fact, we'll
be back right now because Liam Lawson will remain with
Red Bull for this weekend's Italian Grand Prix at Monza
with Isaac Hadjar ruled out for a second consecutive Formula
One round. To analyse further, we are joined by New
Zealand's premier F1 reporter once again, Alex Powell with The Herald.

Speaker 7 (01:50:06):
G'day, mates.

Speaker 6 (01:50:07):
Afternoon, guys.

Speaker 5 (01:50:07):
How are we? Very good, thank you. So our boy Liam,
he's had one race in the RB22. So how much
easier will it be for him this weekend?

Speaker 19 (01:50:17):
Look, you'd hope it would be a lot easier for him.
You remember last time out at Zandvoort, he got next
to no time to learn that car. He found out
very late that's what he was going to be driving.
This time he's been a bit split where he's been
training in both cars because he didn't know where he'd
land between Racing Bulls and Red Bull. But the big
thing is that he's got three practice sessions this week
instead of one that he had in the Netherlands, and

(01:50:38):
that's going to be huge by the time he is
actually into qualifying. He will know as much as he
can about that car.

Speaker 5 (01:50:43):
What does success look like for him this weekend?

Speaker 19 (01:50:45):
I think points is the bare minimum. You are now
driving for one of the elite teams, but what we've
seen already this year is that probably is the fourth
best car. So anything around seventh and eighth, which is
what he got in Zandvoort, is probably what you'd expect.
There's going to be a little bit of things going
his way this weekend. So Kimi Antonelli of Mercedes, he's
changed out his engine, so he's starting from the back

(01:51:05):
of the grid, regardless of what he does. Hopefully he
doesn't fight his way up the field, but he is
having that kind of year. But yeah, seventh or eighth
for Liam Lawson would be an excellent result.

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
It's an interesting one, isn't it? Because you're in Italy
and they love Ferrari, obviously, but they also love Kimi
Antonelli and the Mercedes. So how is that run for
the championship looking? Has Kimi still got it tied down
or is he in trouble here?

Speaker 19 (01:51:33):
Just on Kimi Antonelli before anything else, Liam Lawson did
the official FIA press conference this morning with all the
Italian journalists and didn't get asked a single question because
he was next to Kimi Antonelli who got everything.

Speaker 6 (01:51:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
We'd probably do that to Kimi at a New Zealand
press conference.

Speaker 6 (01:51:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:51:47):
I think this is kind of Ferrari's moment. Um, we've
seen the season that they probably are the closest challenger
to Mercedes. We've seen them get wins, but Mercedes do
have that lead for a reason. Um, if you're Lewis Hamilton,
this is, this is the time where you really do
have to come out and make a case for yourself
that you are a championship contender. You've got your biggest

(01:52:07):
rival at the back of the grid. Um, George Russell
will do what George Russell does. He'll have the odd
great moment and then sort of make it hard for himself. But, yeah,
you're right. This is Ferrari's home race. There are going
to be red flags. There's going to be a lot
of red everywhere. There are going to be red flags
going off. And if they don't win it, I think
the fans will let them know.

Speaker 5 (01:52:26):
And have we got any word on whether or not
Liam will still be in the Red Bull next weekend
in Spain? How's Hadjar's hand? Do we have any information?

Speaker 19 (01:52:37):
I've heard different things. I've heard people say that Red
Bull are going to be really conservative with it. Risking
Hadjar and turning it from a hairline fracture into a
full break is absolute worst case scenario. The initial prognosis
was a sort of a six to eight week window,
which if that's what's happened, that will probably rule Hadjar
out next week as well. Red Bull are sort of

(01:52:58):
giving him every chance they can to pass him fit.
Like we saw last week, we probably knew straight away
Hadjar was going to be out. but they didn't confirm
it until overnight on Thursday, our time. So, look, I'd
be hopeful that Liam Lawson will get another run in Madrid,
but it is just a bit of a waiting game
at the moment.

Speaker 6 (01:53:14):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:53:15):
And what time is the race on?

Speaker 10 (01:53:16):
Oh, 1 a.m.

Speaker 19 (01:53:16):
On Monday morning.

Speaker 9 (01:53:17):
Woo!

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Yeah, beauty.

Speaker 5 (01:53:19):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
All right, game.

Speaker 6 (01:53:20):
Go, Liam.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
Give it heaps. Alex, good to see you, mate. Have
a good weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:53:24):
Thanks, boys.

Speaker 19 (01:53:24):
You too.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
See you back here next week. That is Alex Powell,
New Zealand's premier F1 reporter with The Herald. It is
8 to 4.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Newstalk ZB 64.

Speaker 5 (01:53:43):
Okay, that's the end of the show. And the end
of the week. Thanks so much for listening. Thanks for
all your calls and texts.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
And we get, of course, so many great Kiwis ringing
through that each week we always pick a caller of
the week. And yesterday we were having a good debate
on the merits of whitebait when we got a call
from Jeff.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
On what he thought was the best thing to do
with that white gold.

Speaker 8 (01:54:05):
Hey, I'll give you the best, best whitebait fritter recipe, eh?

Speaker 5 (01:54:09):
Three eggs, mate. Spin them up, mate.

Speaker 8 (01:54:12):
Then you put 100 grams of whitebait in a saucer
and you put 100 grams of smoked chicken.

Speaker 9 (01:54:17):
In the eggs.

Speaker 6 (01:54:18):
You put it in your pan.

Speaker 20 (01:54:19):
Put three slices of brie over that.

Speaker 5 (01:54:22):
Fold it in half, man. Flip it.

Speaker 9 (01:54:24):
Put the saucer of whitebait on the floor for the
cat and enjoy a beautiful omelette.

Speaker 6 (01:54:30):
Classic.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
Every time, Geoff.

Speaker 6 (01:54:32):
Every time.

Speaker 5 (01:54:33):
Heather Duplessy-Allen is up next, and she is joined by...
She is joined... Well, ACT wants to cut millions of
road budget by getting rid of murals and statues on
the side of the road. Infrastructure spokesman Simon Court tells
Heather his plan after 4pm. We talked about that for
an hour, didn't we?

Speaker 6 (01:54:52):
We did.

Speaker 5 (01:54:52):
But right now, Tyler, why am I playing this 1987
song from the English rock group World Party?

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
Oh, it's a funky little number, isn't it? I don't
actually know, mate.

Speaker 20 (01:55:04):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (01:55:05):
Save what?

Speaker 6 (01:55:06):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Tell me, mate. Tell me.

Speaker 5 (01:55:13):
Because it's called Shipper Fools.

Speaker 24 (01:55:14):
And with new regulations requiring everyone on a six metre
or less craft to wear life jackets, we were getting
a lot of calls and texts from people saying there
are a bunch of idiots and fools out there.

Speaker 7 (01:55:26):
On the water.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
Some of your best work.

Speaker 6 (01:55:29):
Very good.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
It's a great song. It is, isn't it? I haven't
heard it before.

Speaker 5 (01:55:31):
I haven't heard it for a very long time. All right,
you seem busy, so we'll let you go.

Speaker 6 (01:55:35):
Bless, bless, bless.

Speaker 5 (01:55:35):
I'm Matt Heath. That's Tyler Adams. We'll be back live
on your radio Monday afternoon. Until then, give them a
taste of Kiwi.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
ZB. For more from Newstalk ZB, listen live, on air,
or online.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
And keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio.

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