Full Show Podcast: 05 August 2026

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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Very good afternoon to You're welcome in to today's show.
Great to have your company as always, and hope you're
having a great day so far. Matt Heath, how you
doing very good?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Thanks, Tyler, very warm and cozy. Just pummed up the
studio temperature to twenty five degrees.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Just on that note, Met can I compliment you on
the beautiful beanie that's rocking a pompom that you've got
on today. I'd just say it takes a certain fella
in particular a fella to be able to pull off
the pomp pom look. And I think you're pretty much there, Yeah,
pretty much over the line with pulling it off the
pomp pom.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, it's onnly that there's two poms. There's a pompom,
not just a pomp Yeah, thank you, and also representing
my hometown with the Dunedin pomp pom. Actually the Sharks
pompoon the Dunedin rugby club pompong.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Great team out of Kittle Park. Yeah yeah, good, good
lineage there. Yeah. I mean it's very scarfy, like not
just the Dunedin scarfy, but like the movie, the Robert
Saki's movie. That's exactly what I'm picturing when I'm looking
at you right now. That was the look in the nineties.
A lot of pompom's going on, obviously very proud with duanedan.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
What does the pompom do? What does the pompom add?
It doesn't make you any warmer having a pompom. It's
just the extra way, doesn't it. I mean it looks great, It.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Does look great. I mean is it just for esthetics?
I mean maybe there's like a degree of extra warm
warmness that you get in that little pompo who.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Made a beanie and then when you know it, to
make this beanie better a pompom on top.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I actually just looked up the origin of the word.
You want to hear it. Yeah, so it comes from
the French word pompon, which means a small decorative ball
or ornamental tuft made of fabric, feathers, or will. It
was widely used in European military uniforms to decorate hats
and show military rank.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
So it's actually a pom pom, but we just say pomp.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Pom yeah, because it rolls off the tongue better.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Right, Well, I just to save time in future, let's
just drop one of the poms, just call it a
just go pom.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yekay, very good to thanks. Right on to today's show.
Let's have a chat about the unemployment rates. So, as
you may or may not have seen, that rate as
announced by Stats New Zealand today was five point six
percent of the June quarter. That is the highest in
eleven years. It was up slightly from the five point
four percent we saw in the March quarter. And on
a regional basis, that unemployment rate was highest in Northland

(02:31):
at eight point eight. In Auckland it was six point five.
In the areas with the lowest unemployment rate were Otargo
and Canterbury at three point six percent. So Finance Minister
Nicola Willis, she has spoken about this this morning. She
says April, May and June, as we know, we're difficult
months for many employers. She said they faced real uncertainty

(02:52):
and rising costs and a lot of them made the
hard core to hold off on hiring or expanding.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
So you've got a lot of people in Canterbury and
o Targo that are going actually, we can't find people
to fill that jobs. Meanwhile, all we here in the
news is that unemployment is going up. Yeah, and I'm
hearing some interesting stuff at so from two mates. Right,
this is anecdotal, But I've got two friends who are
trying to find people but aren't getting a lot of
applicants for decent paid jobs.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Right, Yeah, So I wonder why that is? There are a.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Couple of goodishate real estate jobs and they not real
estate so retail jobs, retailers jobs, they just can't find anyone.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
You always hear this, right, So why is that?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
From employer's perspective, what is the problem. Do you need
people but can't afford them, or need people but can't
find them, or don't need anyone because your business is struggling.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
What do you say on this? Are you facing this
at the moment If you're an employer and you need
a job to be filled and it's a fairly decent
paying job for decent hours, but you're struggling to find
someone tell us I eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty or nine to nine to two, what are the
reasons for that? Let us know? And coming up after
we play some messages, we are going to have a
chat with Liam Dan, business editor at large for The Herald,
who's crunched the numbers on unemployment. But taking your call,

(04:09):
so I one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Hi, guys, can it be unemployment down to three point six?
What did I tell you yesterday? It's the tale of
two islands. Canterbury is booming. We need more apprentices and
schooled workers. So wouldn't you get when you it's not
hard to get to anywhere in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
If you're an Aucklander and you need a job, and
you're a tradee or anything else, why not move to Canterbury.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
You can get anywhere in this country overnight pretty much. Yeah,
getting into city yep, most places. That's right from one
place to the other, and.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
The city's a great way to travel.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
So that's just that's just the tomorrow. You could be
somewhere with there's a bit of chance of getting employment.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, does that come into it? Tell us I one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Coming up next, Liam Dan, Business Editor at Large. It's
eleven past one.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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pass one.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
So, as we've been discussing, New Zealands unemployment rate was
five point six percent in the Dune quarter this year.
To discussed further, we're joined by New Zealand or Business
editsor at Large, Limb Dan get a LIAMB.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Hey, guys, so here's a question for you, LIAMB. We
added around thirteen thousand jobs this quarter, so a zero
zero point five percent increase and the employed, So how
did the unemployment rates still go up? And which number
should people pay the most attention to? So it's the
employed or the unemployed because that seems countertuitive, right you
can have more people employed but more people unemployed.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
The simple answer, luckily, I do know the answer to
this wonderful is that the labor force grew by more
than thirteen thousand, right, so we had more people coming
into the labor force. So maybe that's partly our net
migration picking up, which is still at really quite historically
low levels, but slightly fewer people went to Australia in
the last quarter for whatever reason. And also I think

(05:57):
we've got more young people coming in this time. Last
year we were talking about this neat rate than not
unemployment educational training number which was quite high. A lot
of young people had gone back to further training and
I sort of worry that a year or two years
into this high unemployment period you've got people who have

(06:18):
done the training and come out and now you're so
basically the workforce, the overall labor force is grow, has
grown more than the number of jobs we created. But yeah,
look it's a good thing. You know, it's good to
see that there is some job creation. And probably, as
you guys were talking about before the break, you know,
it's very regional and Auckland, Wellington and some of those

(06:42):
real areas doing it tough, like Northland are really probably
dragging down the national average.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Well that's an interesting when we talk about what figure counts,
because unemployed is a difficult one to work out because
you can be unemployed but not looking for a job.
Therefore you're not officially unemployed.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
So these are quite different numbers to the benefit numbers,
and people have picked up on that difference and tried
to in that various different political ways. But this number
is being calculated the same way since ninete eighty six,
so it's got that going for it. We can, but yeah,
it is quite strict on what counts is unemployed. So

(07:22):
you cannot work for one hour and be unemployed, and
clearly if you're only getting one hours work a week,
you're not happy.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Problem.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Under utilized, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's where under employed
and the total underutilization rate is pretty important. I think
over the years, we've got more people working on contracts,
working various part time jobs, hustling, gig economy, all that,
and that means that they're likely to have a few hours.
But there's a lot of people out there not getting
enough work. So that underutilization rate, which was also horrible

(07:51):
also the worse since twenty thirteen, is possibly more relevant
to what's the actual vibe like out there.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
So Nicola Wallis this morning said that April, May and
June were difficult for many employers and that saw them
lose confidence or put things on hold, while they were
just waiting to see what was happening in world alfairs?
Does that ring true at all? Do you think that
is you know, I mean maybe shielding that are wider
problem here. Yeah, no, I think it does.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
And into her credit, I don't think she tried to
spin this massively. She's like, this was tough, it's a
tough period. She sort of listed a whole bunch of
economic policies that the government is doing, but she sort
of warned that it's not that they aren't quick fixes.
And this government's job is to sort of convince everybody
that they've got a long term plan because you know,
there isn't a real quick fix here, particularly I would say,

(08:42):
in Auckland and Wellington. So yeah, I guess you know
it's it's honest, but yeah, really it was always going
to be difficult to spin.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, because inflation rate is still above the Reserve banks
target range? Right, so what can be done to support
jobs without pushing up prices?

Speaker 5 (09:02):
Again, Yeah, they're between a rock and a hard place,
the worst of both worlds, getting into that territory that
we call stag And yeah, look again, you know, and
the and the Finance Minister has said this and well,
we all can see it as there's a global shock.
Oil prices have pushed up, you know, prices at the
pump that's flown through everything, and the longer they stay elevated,

(09:23):
the more likely it is that in some of the
local business is going to have to pass on the
costs and that becomes real inflation. It's also back to
back to your question, Tyler, just just that I think
there is a you know, we've been hearing don't hire,
don't fire as a sort of a you know, there's
always a mantra, but that it's not that businesses don't

(09:44):
want to get rid of staff, particularly if they've got
good staff that they've invested in training up. So that's
one of the reasons that it's a it's a it's
a bit of data that lags and takes a long
time to come through employment. But yeah, they're not feeling
confident enough to hire either. So yeah, a bit of
employment growth probably coming from the regions.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
And then yeah, just.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
I guess hopefully not too much in terms of masses
of job losses, but there are those examples around the
country that have cropped up. I think Northland copped a
big mill closure and that their unemployment rate went from
five point one to eight point eight, which is which
is a huge jump.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
One of the big figures that's being out there is
the fifteen to nineteen year old unemployment.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Is that a big concern?

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Fifteen to nineteen year old unemployment. I mean a lot
of them will just be I mean, I've got kids
in that range. I wouldn't expect them to be employed.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, but you probably expect them to be doing something,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
And so this rate is people they're not engaged in
education and then and there, but they are looking forward.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
So that is a concern, and it's sort of going
to be bumping up against this new government policy where
they start saying that there's no no benefit if you're
not you know, you've got to get into training. So
they've got this sort of fairly hardline policy coming. I
think it's November, you know, the other side of the election,
I guess, so we'll see, but you know, yeah, it
can be an issue. I mean if they're you know,

(11:07):
if they're working on becoming national surfing champs or being
the next big band or something like that, or struggling artists,
maybe there's some grounds there for but if it's really
just you know, if it becomes embedded in people's sort
of outlook, it's not good at that age.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Does it come down to you know, again, it's a
story of different regions here. So Cannabury and a Target
and parts of the South are looking pretty good and
they crying out for workers, and there's many employers looking
for good employees, whereas they just say Northland and Auckland.
It's a different story. And I'm looking at a story
here for last month from Siak saying that hiring activity
arose almost eleven percent, But of course that wasn't in Auckland.
It was down in Auckland, up in Canterbury. So you know,

(11:47):
if we're looking at these people who need jobs, the
moving around the regions could be a part of that equation,
right yeah, and looking.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
At things, I mean we're sort of making this up
on the fly here. Think it's trying a lot at you.
But when you think I've been asked, you know, what
can the government do? And obviously this government is not
about throwing you know, they're saying there isn't the money
there just to throw it and sort of subsidized their
economy and they're not going to pump money in, but
maybe there is more support that can be been in

(12:15):
place to get young people, particularly that you know, you know,
fifteen to nineteen category, where they can be quite mobile,
they probably quite enjoy life and maybe need to get out.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Isn't that what every single person does, well, you know
and your late teens early twenties generally speaking. Well, maybe
I'm talking from people I know, but you that come
from small towns like I do, but you go somewhere
with the jobs.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
I think most of us did it in this room, right, Yes, absolutely,
and I think it's good for you. I mean it
kind of especially if things aren't going well in your
hometown because you're stuck in a rut in your hometown,
and so yeah, there's an avenue. I think that could
be looked at because you know, you hear stories about
the Great Depression and everything, and people moved people in
those days. You had to, you know, people went down

(12:59):
to plant trees, and you know they didn't, I mean
they had to. Well, I don't think they've got a
benefit if they did.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
What was the name of that stick they used to
have with a scarf with your stuff on it? Have
your shoulder alright, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, wrote great nap,
get an apseck, jump a train yeah, and write a.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Great folks Yeah exactly, Liam. Thank you very much mate.
Always good to get you in jeers. You have a
great afternoon. That is Business Editor at Large for the
New Zealand Herald, Liam dan So, taking your calls on
that O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you
are an employer, what is the job markets like for
you when it comes to candidates who are coming to
the fore. If you've got a job you need to fill,
tell us about it. Nine to nine till two? Is that?
Texas twenty two past one, Joe.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
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Speaker 1 (14:40):
Auckland fearless focused informed it's the Myke Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
So some expectation for today's job number with the Finance
Minister warming journalists up on Monday as to the fact
that it's review mirror stuff and we've had a war. Currently,
the headline's five three consensus via four five five Sharon
Zola and z chief economist with US is the recovery
still on.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
Our forecast is that it is uncertain to itself has
a cost, so it might mean it's a bit more
stop start than we we're hoping. And obviously oil prices
is anybody's guest at the moment. But the vibe we're
picking up in our business and confidence surveys is that
people are realizing if you wait for normal, then you're
going to be waiting a very long time.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
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Speaker 2 (15:25):
Twenty six past one. So the employment rate for the
June quarter was five point six percent. That is the
highest it has been in eleven years. But what is
the situation out there for you as an employer or employee,
but particularly for an employer if you are looking to
fill a position, what is the market out there for you?
When it comes to candidates, it's text says, are you
really suggesting people get a knapsack and jump trains for employment?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
You were sick.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
No, we're not really suggesting that. No, no, no, it's
cool tongue and cheek.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
You were talking about the nineteen thirties. Yeah, but there's
good reason for young people. You're fifteen to nineteen, you
are not not getting anything happening in your hometown, very
good reason to move to other towns. It's something people
have done forever. It's what I did, that's right. While
would that be you divercial?

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Now?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, that was just part and parcel that if you
needed a job you couldn't find it in your hometown
and you were young enough to be mobile, which a
lot of fifteen to nineteen's are. I don't know why
that's controversial. It was just part of us.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
What kind of person that age is not looking for
opportunities and looking to forge their life?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
If you're not looking to forge your life forward at
that point and grab grab opportunities by the throat wherever
they are, then I don't know when you will be
into that. Yeah, although this text it does make a
good point where I move to Donners when you can
move to Brisbane for work, well, i'd say done. It's
pretty good mate.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, good sunshine, Howls and Donners.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
You don't get a beautiful sunny, snowy day like you
did y today exactly Brisbane, Jeff, welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (16:45):
Yeah, good o mate. How are they after been? What
the workforce? And I'm seventy five years of age, you're
not gonna still drive a truck.

Speaker 9 (16:53):
But put it this way.

Speaker 8 (16:58):
The thing is, there is high unemployment. People are not
employing people because of costs. Secondly, a lot of the
jobs are sort of executive jobs where I don't know,
you'd have to go to university, you'd have to do
this and do that, and it needs a lot of

(17:21):
money to get there. Secondly, Thirdly, I've applied for jobs
driving jobs driving a truck. Even in seventy five, I
could drive a truck easy, Okay, A pretty tough dude.
So but I've been told by the people I've applied

(17:43):
to that there's been something like about between sixty and
seventy people have applied for the job right, and they're
probably going to take the young guy before they get
to take an.

Speaker 9 (17:54):
Old cruit like me.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
But I've got good references, So I've been through the
building trade. The whole, the whole thing of work is
just changed because when I went to college. When I
was at college in Levin, we had a career guy
comes through. A few weren't very interested in staying at college.

(18:21):
Then they had a careers people come through the colleges,
and some of my mates were plumbers, electrosians, carpenters, panel beaters,
et cetera. C And for some reason they were able
to find positions for these young guys so they could

(18:45):
leave at fifteen and then get into work. The orchard
work is very, very hard work. I've done a bit
of pruning I've done, but of picking, et cetera. It
certainly does not suit everybody. So you know, what's a

(19:06):
portion of unemployed moment compared what's a portion of people
who are working in New Zealand. What's what's the portion?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
So just say that again, the proportion of the number
of jobs available versus the people in New Zealand looking
for jobs.

Speaker 10 (19:24):
Well yeah, well, okay, that too.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
Unemployment, how many people are unemployed? The perscentage, what's the
perscentage of people that are employed?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Well, yeah, so the labor force participation rate has risen
to seventy point seven percent, so the supply of available
workers grew faster than the employment basically, so the unemployment
rates are the employment rate actually increased er a forero
point five percent, even though the unemployment rate is higher. So, yeah,

(20:00):
labor force participation is as upper numbers, but it's just
the amount of unemployed is up as well because more
people are entering the workforce.

Speaker 11 (20:08):
Jeff.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
Yeah, young people can go into work and income and
look on the screen and have a look at the
jobs there. There's quite a few jobs that I think
young guys could take or have a go at least,
you know, I get out a flip in bed and
have a go.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I think if you called Jeff, yeah, could on your
Jeff and all the best to you out there. There's
a couple of teachs coming through in regards to this.
So this one says get Met and Tyler a trucking
and logistics firm, and christ Hip's recently brought in five
drivers from the Philippines due to the quality of those
applying within New Zealand wasn't great. And then the unreliability
of them when they do employ them. And is that true?
I hear that often that when it comes to Takiwi workers,

(20:52):
there's an unreliability aspect that many of the candidates out
there when they come to do the interviews and you
can see that they're not going to be reliable even
when you take them on the amount of the turnover
of the guys that sound pretty good on paper, and
then just start to not turn up or you them
and you never see them again.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Well, what's wrong with what's wrong with New Zealanders that
we're behaving like that?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's a great question.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
So if you start them, I mean, that's not good
if people are importing people instead of you know, employing
people from here. But can't you I mean that's a
massive problem, right, Yeah, But why is that? Is that
because the stakes aren't as high here or something?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Have we lost our work ethic?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Because in the end, you're not going to end up starving, right,
So there's safety nets there. There's safety nets there, so
you're not as the if you lose the job, you know,
like if the job is really really, really really important
for your very survival, right yea, And that is the
case in other countries. And I'm not saying this is

(21:55):
good or a bad thing. Then you're going to turn
up because the the the other option, as.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know, terrible, right, Yeah, you can't buy food.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
But if the other option is, oh it won't be
quite as good, then you know you maybe not as
motivated to turn up.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, is that part of it?

Speaker 7 (22:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty. And if you're an
employer and you're looking to fill a position. What is
the candidates like that are coming through? Tell us nineteen
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eight point eight in Northland and six point five in Auckland.
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Speaker 2 (23:37):
Thank you very much, Raylen. So we're talking about the
unemployment rate of five point six percent according to the
release by Stats New Zealand today. If you're an employer
out there and you've got a job available, what is
the candidate quality like coming through tell us O eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty And is there a big
difference between the regions According to Stats New Zealand there
is nine to nine Towois. The texts Charmaine, how are you?

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (23:59):
Good? Thanks?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
So are you good? Nice to chat with you. So
what's your take?

Speaker 11 (24:05):
I kind of do agree with you a little bit
about people going and looking for work elsewhere, but sometimes
it's just not that easy, especially for young people. I
mean I heard met say about the young people in
his life, and like, I give it. If you've gone,
if you're at university at the moment, you're mixing with
a whole other group of people your own age. She

(24:25):
might be living in a flat or a hostel. But
to say to an eighteen year old, I'll pick up
them from Auckland and go to christ Chuchu or whatever,
to somewhere that you don't know anybody, you don't have
any income. It was probably not that really realistic these
days unless you've got someone.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Down What was it different these days? So when I
moved to Auckland, I moved up. I got a job
in real groovy records. I moved up from Deneen, Auckland.
I didn't know anyone up here, and I.

Speaker 11 (24:54):
Don't have a job to go to.

Speaker 10 (24:56):
Did you have a job to go to?

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Well?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I applied for jobs until I got one up here.

Speaker 11 (24:59):
And then I because I think now, like even the
supplying for a job with the whole AI think like
just whipping mount people's cevs. All that type of thing.
It's not very easy anymore. I mean, it's like when
I was young, when I left school, I got the
first job that I applied for. Yeah, you know, it's
not We're living in a completely different world and it's

(25:24):
I mean, I was watching an article this morning about
young graduates that have been looking for a job for
twelve months, and they can't even get part time work
doing anything.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
So you were sorry, So you were on an unemployment benefit, right,
and you're in a big city like because Auckland, Wellington can.

Speaker 11 (25:41):
Get an unemployment benefit though if you're only eighteen or nineteen,
well you can if if you're not living with your parents.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Okay, yeah, so it's saying yeah, right, but I mean,
I mean, I wouldn't think it was the end of
the world of someone was sort of struggling to eighteen
to nineteen. It's when you start getting into your twenties, right,
that that it's a real concern that someone isn't employed.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
When when you say, like because if you're eighteen or
nine eighteen, I mean, my.

Speaker 11 (26:05):
Son left school without a job, and I said to him,
there's no way you're going on the unemployment benef you
go and get yourself a job. And that's exactly what
he did. He ended up working in an Indian restaurant
and then he moved on and on and on, and
you know, now now he's perfectly fine. But I mean,
I just think we're kind of we are living. I mean,
I'm you know, I'm in my sixties, so I don't know,

(26:28):
but I just know that it's a different world these days,
and I'm not trying to make excuses for anybody, but
like I hear my young grandsons, who's fourteenth and I
can't wait to give a job and a year or
so after school and all that, and I'm just thinking, God,
I hope you know, I don't know whether he'll be
able to get one because there's no those jobs. People

(26:49):
my age and now are doing those jobs because they've
lost your job.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So I'm not downplaying the motivation of young people, Charmain,
but just the policy that you mentioned there that if
you're from fifteen to nineteen, I believe it is and
you're living with your parents, that you're not going to
be able to get a benefit. So the parents are
going to make sure that you can have food and
obviously housing there. But isn't that part of the motivation
for young people as I look at it in my

(27:14):
own situation that when I was living at home if
I didn't have a job, it was kind of the
ultimatum and saedge, you've got one month to figure it
out and you've got to find something, no worth, no butts,
And I know it is harder for a lot of
young people out there. But isn't that extra motivation for
kids to say, I'm sick of living at home with
mom and dad. I'm going to find a job so
i can have my own place. That's a good thing,
it is.

Speaker 11 (27:33):
And I completely agree with you. And that's exactly how
it was. Even when I leave schooled back in the day,
it was you know, you're not going to just sit
at home, and you did, you wouldn't go. And I
mean I was working when I was at school as well,
so that's different. But I'm not in any way trying
to make excuses. But I do think it's not quite
that easy now because a lot of people are struggling

(27:56):
with the whole christ cost of living and if they
get told you have to support your like you know,
you're fat person to go away and lock for a job.
And I just remember the time. I think it was
Paul when she was when so she paid people to
move to get.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Jobs and no one wanted to do it.

Speaker 11 (28:15):
That was five thousand dollars or something, and then they
went they went to wherever and after a few months
they moved their time.

Speaker 13 (28:22):
So can you.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
At some point someone out something if you're fifteen to nineteen, Right,
you can get a student loan and then the taxpayer
will cover seventy five percent basically your student loan to.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Pay for your fees studying.

Speaker 14 (28:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, So surely if you're between fifteen and nineteen you
can't find a job, you can have a lockground and
find some kind of training. There must be something for
everyone out there. If I mean, is there really a
person that between fifteen and nineteen they can't? Must be
a very small percentage of people that don't have the
motivation or the I'm looking for a better word than gumption,

(28:59):
but you're just the sense of spirit and adventure to
find a course and get a student loan to go
and do it.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I find I find it.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I mean, do you reckon? There's a lot of people
that just don't have that and that that motivation at all.

Speaker 11 (29:17):
I I well, I in my job, I sort of
mix with a lot of young people, and I we
can that our young people are like really really switched
on people these days. Right, So I'm I'm not mixing
with people like that. And you would hope that their
parent or even the stuff on the one parent family,

(29:38):
that they would be pushing them in that direction. But
then you don't want just kids taking up student loans
for the sake of being and study for something that
they're not really interested in either, So have a job
at the end of it.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Even if it doesn't help out the whole of society,
you'd think it would help out them, you know, just
to do something they've got. This what I'm saying is
it's not like we're saying that. It's not like there's
not opportunities for people, and a society can only make
so many opportunities we can't make.

Speaker 11 (30:11):
I mean, I agree, I'm not like, because you guys
are like really super positive about everything, and I think
when you're sometimes if you're mixed with people that have
come from different walks of life or have had a
lot of like really unfortunate things happen in their lives
and things like that, sometimes it's just not that easy.

(30:34):
And I don't know about the stats that have come
out today, like how many of those people are, like
Nikola Willacy today just sitting on the couch at home
with mum and dad. I don't know realistically how you know,
like how many of those people are.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's a hard one to work out, isn't it. Because
you're asking to go with someone's inside someone's brain and
work out why they're not getting.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
On with their life.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
And there are obviously there's some people that have serious problems.
There's no too and it seems there's more than ever.
It seems like young depression. And I think a lot
of it, Charmaine is because they're on seeing things on
social media of people just doing such amazing things that
they feel like just doing your normal every day. The
comparison isn't good for what your options are, which is

(31:21):
just I don't know, going to Gore to do a
course because you found that they're when you're seeing you're
going on social media and every other thing is a
picture of someone just absolutely cashed up at twenty one,
living this amazing life, which is not really attainable for
these people.

Speaker 11 (31:35):
But being realistic, if you had a fifteen year old,
this is really being realistic, would you want them to
move to Gore to take a job or look for
a job, or take a job where they didn't know anybody.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I've got a sixteen year old who just left school
to go and do a course that he's decided to
do so, and I thought that was very brave of
him to go out and do that. So I was
actually quite impressed. I said to him, I'm proud of
you for, you know, finding this thing and doing it
and doing what you want to do. So the fact
that I'm left time, he hasn't left time. But what

(32:10):
I'm saying is because the fact that I'm proud of
him just shows that I can see that it takes
a lot for someone to do what you're saying, to
go to another town, you know, Like I can see
that we're not everyone's going to have that. But I
wonder why, because I feel like people used to. Everyone
used to have that adventure spirit, or it seemed like
everyone had to.

Speaker 11 (32:32):
I don't know, because, yeah, you're right, and maybe it
was the set. We grew up in a different time
where there were a whole lot more opportunities and that
we went surrounded by a whole lot of technology like
young people are these days, and that seems to be
making things worse.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, I think, Yeah, I think what it is is
it doesn't seem worth it because you're constantly showing things
that are way more spectacular than you can ever hope
to do.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
That's what I worry about. That no, you know, and
we're talking about younger people here, but they don't want
to dig ditches anymore, or you know, like I did.
I was in a fish factory and I was putting
fish on a convey about for eight hours a day.
It was great money, great money, but that was a
tough job. But you know, it didn't matter that I
was proud of it. The point was that I was
proud of the money I was making. Didn't really matter
that it was a fish factory and it was a

(33:19):
my numbing job.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Line.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
You probably weren't jumping on Instagram and seeing some super
hot people on a beach going My life's amazing and
I'm part of the I've got a hustle on I'm
you know, I'm an influencer. Not so much money I'm
making without any work.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yes, spot on.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
You just thought I have to sort out my own crap. Yep,
you didn't know how good everyone else had it. That's right, Yeah,
all right. It is fourteen to two, Charmain. Thank you
very much for your call. It We will be back
very shortly, but taking your calls. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty as that number.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty mad Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons used talk Sai'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
There's eleven to two. So we're talking about the unemployment
rate at five point six percent. If you're an employer,
how are you finding the quality of candidate's coming to you?
And if your appearance of people in that fifteen to
nineteen year old category, what are the opportunities for them?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Philip says the meat industry has just shut for the year,
thousands of workers and a lot will go on benefits
for a few months. Another one says, the meat industry
is crying out for workers. So you know, we have
this Texasys we've had we have had a vacancy for
four months. We cannot find someone we would trust with
the keys. Seriously. I was talking to a kid at

(34:28):
the rugby club about the job. He had had a
few drinks, but he said, nah, I play PlayStation, read
stuff on my phone, watch YouTube all day. He reckons
working for us wouldn't make his life better because he
would have to go to work every day, Right, okay?
I asked his dad, and his dad didn't know what
to do, didn't want to kick his son out. But
I kind of see his son's point. Working for us

(34:48):
at the warehouse not worth it for that guy. Yeah, right,
very interesting, and the text says, Matt, the adventure you
were talking about was the difference between nothing and something.
Even up until the early two thousands, you needed to
get out to meet a girl, get a partner, you
had to make something of yourself. Now kids can feel
like they're getting all that where they are. They have
adult entertainment, they have games, they have social media. They

(35:11):
feel like they can get it all without moving. That's
why the adventure is gone. The spirit adventure, the spirit
of adventure has gone.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
It's pretty profound, do you agree. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number, and plenty of teps coming
through A ninety two ninety two as well. We'll get
to a few more of those very shortly. Right now,
it is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
News Talks EDB, News Talks ZB. So we're talking about
the unemployment rate at five point six percent. But we
want you from you if you're an employer or a
pearent with a fifteen to nineteen year old or in
their twenties, what are the opportunities out out there and
what are the quality of candidates?

Speaker 12 (35:49):
Like?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
The main problem nowadays is management and a lot of
companies is overseas. They will hire and gain residency for
their fellow countrymen women before hiring a Kiwi. All they
legally need to do is place an advert for a
job and lie and say no one measures up, so
they fly in another from South Africa.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
That's all right, is it true?

Speaker 9 (36:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Let us know one hundred eighteen eighty eight number two
get a Navid.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Good?

Speaker 9 (36:15):
They Yeah.

Speaker 15 (36:17):
So I'm I represent both an employer. I've been an employee,
and I've raised two boys who went through the primary school,
intermediate school, college and university here. So I think I'm
sort of well qualified to know what what the issues
are the main issues, and I think, frankly it's it's

(36:40):
one of the key priorities of New Zealand right now,
because unrealized potential is a crime, right, you know, And
and we we've we've got we've got the potential here.
We've seen how if we've got the right paradigms like
in sports that we we punched well above our weight.

(37:00):
So why can't we Why can't we get our youth
motivated to you know, join the workforce and put in
the hard yaka and make something out of it.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
So how, you know, how do you realize that potential?
So what's the solution? Because we that is hugely said,
right if you think about you're just thinking about all
their unrealized potential, people that could do amazing things that
are doing nothing. So but what's the answer.

Speaker 15 (37:29):
Well, there's it's it's again, it's a holistic approach. It's
just one thing is just not meant to move the
dial too much. So I think one thing is. And
this is what I experience with my sons that the
schooling system and even the university system, it does not

(37:50):
train you for real life practicality of the real life right.
And like my eldest son, he's got a master's in architecture, right,
and then when he went out in the job world,
he was really wilfully prepared for it. Well, you know
the practicality of working in an office, you know, nine
to five, having deadline, being told what to do, taking responsibility,

(38:12):
all those things so he hadn't got adequate exposure to
that during his you know, academic career, which was quite substantial,
and he said, it's the same for most of them.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
There were they were, we've actually we've we've actually terrible
time management, and we're going to have to go to
the news. But perhaps we can talk to you and
get this full thing after the break.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, be great, your full thoughts. Yeah, be great to
pick up with you on that thought after the news,
which is coming up very fast. But we're going to
continue this on obviously, so taking your calls as well. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the job market, what
is it like out there for you as an employee
and a potential employee? Tell us but New Sport and
we're a fast approaching You are listening to Matt and
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(38:57):
will be back in a few moments. Can't stop the news,
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It is like a steam train bom.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trail and everything
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Speaker 2 (39:13):
Talk said, be it's pretty good Afternoon't you welcome back
into the shelters? Seven pasts? So, just before we go
back to our discussion about unemployment and what the job
market is like out there, I noticed, Matt Heath, that
you've come in with a freshly brewed cup of java
there while I had to go for a lowly old
gum boot tea. Where did you where'd you get that
coffee from? Because the coffee machine down here ran out

(39:34):
of beans?

Speaker 3 (39:35):
First of all, you're what you're drinking the hot drinkers
depressing me. You've just got a tea bag floating in
some water.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I never say the t beg aut just let it,
let it seep steep.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
See I The universe punishes me at the coffee machine.
It always needs to have You noticed this whenever got
to the coffee machine. Something always needs to be done.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, that's that's why I don't go with you anymore.
I'll wait till you're gone and then I come in behind.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Always beans need to be changed, the drip door needs
to be planed out. There's always something that needs to
be done with coffe machine when I go there. Yes, right,
and this time it was the beans. Then Andrew and
I producder android, look for the beans with no beans. Yes,
we abandoned ship and we went up to the executive
suite in stole coffee from up there.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Right, So this is where it's back. Fine, because I
waited for you guys to go and destroy the coffee
machine and have to fix it again. Then I turn
up and there's no beans, and I'm on my own
same where's the beans? And you guys are sorted beans? Mate?
Enjoy that coffee, mate. Right back to our discussion about
the unemployment rate. So if you haven't seen, it's the
number out today is five point six percent of the
gin quarter. That's the highest it has been in eleven years.

(40:33):
But the question we'll put to you, if you're an
employer and you've got a job on offer, what is
the quality of candidates like? And we've also been discussing
that figure of twenty five percent unemployment for fifteen to
nineteen year olds. Are there opportunities out there for younger people?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Well, this sexer says, Okay, I can't get through on
the phones, but what a load of CODs wallop. It's
too hard to find work in New Zealand. I've worked
for McDonald's for twenty five years. We hire up to
ten people weekly, open twenty four hours, so very flexible
minimum wage for start and then very quickly goes up
if you invest your time not money in our training programs.
As I said, ninety thousand dollars for a store manager.

(41:07):
It is so frustrating and people say it's hard to
find work. Unsmiley faces that text. But welcome back to
the show, Navide. How are you? Thanks for waiting? So
you have two sons who have gone through school and
university are now in the real world.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Is that correct them?

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I remembering creating and you were saying that there is
a lot of unrealized potential in New Zealand and we
were just about to ask you how you think we
could realize that potential when we had to rudely cut
you off and go to the news. So let's take
it up from there.

Speaker 10 (41:40):
Yeah, well, look, I just know when you want to
model success, you look at what's working, right, So I
just look at, for example, the women's football teams or
the Wahemi rugby teams. Right, what's been so successful?

Speaker 16 (41:55):
Now?

Speaker 10 (41:56):
It's because the first thing is you've got to sell
the vision, right, make it exciting for them. Unfortunately, nobody's
trying to make jobs sexy for the young people, right.
And you know, you're right about the social media showing
you know, people in front of mansions and saying, hey,
you don't need to work and all that. But you know,
I was brought up when work was mobile. It was

(42:19):
considered something like, it's not a it's not a sort
of a imposition. It's it's it's a privilege to work.
That's one thing. And then secondly, you can actually you
can become very successful money wise through jobs. Right, So
jobs is not it's needs to be re imagined, right,

(42:45):
and then sold to the to the youth as well,
in sort of in an appropriate manner of course. And
and actually what's happening is the opposite. It's being sold
as that, hey, you have to report to the man.
You have to you know, you'd have to become a slave.
And it's it's it's a it's you know, it's the
matrix and you've got to escape the matrix and you've

(43:07):
got to do side us and all that. And so
what's being sold is something completely opposite to what reality is, right,
that's one thing. So there has to be that vision
about Hey, look, working is a noble thing and it's
a duty almost right in nation building. So the communication
around that has to be good and it's then you

(43:29):
have to create pathways, just as for example, the success
of the women's football has. You know, there's interest now,
there's alls of young women want to sign up, but
they've got pathways now because you know, there's the local
school teams and the clubs. They're getting organized so they're
able to do that. So first we have to create
the vision. Then we have to create the pathway and

(43:52):
they can exciting and relevant and sexy once again, right,
if we can right, that will will create an impetus
in a momentum, I believe.

Speaker 13 (44:03):
Right.

Speaker 10 (44:04):
We also have to look at reforming our recruitment industry
because they're very and and our middle management tears because
again they don't they play it safe, right. They want
to have people who have done exactly the same thing
for X number of years, and they don't look at
transferable skills. For example. You know, if if you if

(44:25):
you're you're a person and you can learn and you're
willing to learn, then it doesn't matter if you don't
have precisely experienced in that particular role, but you can
apply your talent and your potential to it. So there's
a number of things. But what I'm saying is it
really needs a holistic, national, cohesive policy framework, which which

(44:46):
you know, like I said, it's just like a successful venture.
I've got to have the vision, you've got to have
everybody mobilized, and you've got to have advocates out their
role models. You know, from from the sporting icons to music.
Anything that attracts young people brings them up. It's a
marketing thing.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
So problem is I think the problem is that a
lot of the marketing is being done at young kids
is from these influencers that are incredibly vacuous because I
would say in your early twenties, that's when you should
be struggling and doing a crap job and working really hard,
but you're almost called a schmuck for doing that. Now,

(45:26):
like I mean, and people go, well, you know, you
might get something by the time you're in your forties
or whatever. You've got a graft for a long time,
but people are being told no, no, get a side hustle.
As you say, you should be doing this. You could
be an influencer, you could be you know, this person
here has invented this company that's just blown up, and

(45:47):
he doesn't have to do any work. We've got this
a digital nomad wounder sitting somewhere doing some pointless job
somewhere and you're just doing this graft. But part of
it is that society has changed because you used to
be in your room and if you didn't get out
of your room, you didn't talk to anyone. And if
you didn't get a job and make yourself sort of

(46:08):
slightly successful in some way or stable, then you just
didn't get a partner because you were just looked at
us too much of a loser. So now how do
we get over over that one that people are coming
up and they think that the loser is the person
that's that's working hard through the twenties because they haven't
had a side hustle and it's in which case you

(46:30):
might as well be at home, you know, succeeding in
video games and having a digital partner. Do you see
what I'm saying, Navid.

Speaker 10 (46:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, hundred percent. So basically where the you know,
it's a different type of role model that we're trying
to create. And look, by the way, on those those
so called vacuous influences. We're sitting in front of other
people's mansions and leave yes, nazarati or something. The truth

(47:01):
is that, and your numbers are available, how many of
those actually are successful out of all the people who
tray you know this, it might be you know, one percent.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
But they are inflated by the algorithm to be in
your face. So people in the same way as we
think that there's violence everywhere, because the algorithm finds every
little piece of violence in the world and puts it
in front of us, the same thing as the zero
point zero zero one percent that exceeded. All of those
are flashed up into young people's faces. So they think
that that's a realistic path, and then you're you're an

(47:33):
idiot just to start working at the bottom McDonald's and
work to the top.

Speaker 10 (47:38):
Correct. But the fact of the matter is, you know,
nature abhors a vacuum, so there's nothing there's no counter
argument out there on social media to kind of dispool that.
So naturally everybody says and especially because you know, another
thing is this, you know, social media should be banned
on up because I'm totally kind of in the camp

(48:01):
that says it should be modified and regulated to people
who've got you know, who are much older. So because
they're not they're not learning how to to network, they're
not learning how to be resourceful, right, because they're just
getting all of their kicks via social media. So even
when they get into a job, Yeah, and there's there's

(48:23):
fifty people in the organization, right, and you've got to
navigate around them. But they don't have the skills sets
because they have never sat in a big group other
than their you know, little pods, and so there's all
this the skills. We have to retool them, prepare them
for that, making it exciting for them. And you know,

(48:44):
have some role models who who have been very successful
in their jobs and you know, started from humble beginnings
and rose to the top and you know, are apfelant
now and they're happy and well adjusted.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
So yeah, yeah, sorry, Navid, once again we've got to
cut your home for an air brake.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Great argument, Yeah, some good points.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
It's just a matter of finding those role models.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
As a parent, you're supposed to be that role model.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, but it's a hard graft. Are you just saying?
And what does that role model look like? When you
are fifteen to nineteen, you shouldn't be in a job
that you you know necessarily that you like. That's not
the point of those jobs.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
You should be working at the fish factory. Yeah, yes,
But the idea that you are completely sorted right from
the start, yeah, is the problem, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
You're not doing your dream job at fifteen. You're not
doing your dream job. Probably at thirty or forty either.
Maybe you are, maybe you get lucky, but that's just
not the reality for a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
You're pouring your teens in your twenties and then hopefully
if you work hard enough, then you're okay in your
sixties seventies.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, exactly what do you say though, one hundred and
eighty ten eighties at number seventeen are past.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Two your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk said.

Speaker 12 (49:54):
Be.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
It is twenty pass two. We're talking about unemployment in
New Zealand. What are the opportunities out there?

Speaker 3 (50:01):
This text has said hardship is the pathway to peace.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
It was worked out a long time ago. If you
do the hard thing, you enjoy your life. If you
do the easy thing, things become heart. Now that that's
from the serenity prayer, isn't it? And it is well,
here we go, God, grant give me the serenity to
accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the
things I can, and wisdom to know the difference living
one day at a time, enduring one moment at a time,
accepting hardships as the pathway to peace. That's the bit there,

(50:29):
Taking as he did, the sinful world as it is,
not as I would have it, trusting that He will
make all things right if I surrender to his will,
so that I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with him forever and ever in the
next day.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I mean, it's nice. How did you know that?

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Can't tell you, but that a knowledge.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
But that's that's what the guy's hardship is the pathway
to peace. So that's I guess. It's the thing where
if you win, you know you people that win LOTO
end up often end up depressed because you know, hardship
is the pathway to peace. So if you work really
hard and achieve something, you find peace. If everything's easy,

(51:09):
then you find misery. It's just it's the state of
being a human.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
That's satisfaction in life.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yet that's what their text are saying.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Quinn, how are you mate? Oh yeah, good, Now you're
a young man, you're eighteen. Yeah, you're at UNI at
the moment.

Speaker 17 (51:24):
Yeah, yeah, I'm at Yuni.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yep. And so what's your take on this? Do you
think there are opportunities out there for young people like
yourself if you need a bit of work on the
side while you're at Uni.

Speaker 17 (51:32):
Well, I feel like there's a whole lot.

Speaker 13 (51:34):
Of older people did get and especially given that when
eighty percent of your salary is going to rent paying
the man at the top, it's a bit tough to
ever be able to save up and buy a house.
So a whole lot of our generation is looking at
it like, oh, well, what's the point and even working
if we're never going to be able to buy a
house and we're just going to be basically slaves to

(51:55):
the older generation at some point or not even that,
just slaves to the to the corporate world, because that's
what the country has become at this point. It's just
become as instead of it being a socialist, like a
socialist country. It's now basically a capitalist country.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
So well, it's always been a capitalist country. It's probably
more socialist than it's ever been at the moment, but
it's always been a capitalist country.

Speaker 13 (52:23):
Yeah, And well, I would say, I would say that
socialist countries do a lot better than capitalist countries when
we look across the globe. You look at America, how
they're doing at the moment, you look at the division
across America. We don't want that division here. So I
don't quite understand why.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
What what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
What do you mean exactly by socialists and socialist countries,
because because well just because New Zealand's, you know, we're
capitalist country, there's a certain amount of socialism in there. Say, like,
your university degree is seventy five percent paid for by
the taxpayer, So that's that's that's an example of some
pretty in socialists.

Speaker 13 (52:58):
Here's the thing, right with my with my university degrees,
I worked two jobs. I've been in and out of
hospital for the past year dealing with census because of
because of the health system, because the health system hasn't
been able to hasn't been getting the funding, Like, we
don't want that here. I feel like that, Well, our
taxes go towards paying free healthcare.

Speaker 17 (53:19):
Why isn't that paid for?

Speaker 13 (53:20):
There's another thing, it's like white people are moving out
of this country. It is because or young people are
moving out of this country. There's no there's no healthcare.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
There's no there's no health care.

Speaker 13 (53:30):
Well, there's no adequate healthcare, free healthcare. What you say is, well,
I wouldn't say that given now I've I'm about to
lose my leg and I'm eighteen.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
You're a you're about to TM I a c L.

Speaker 17 (53:45):
Yeah, and it was I a c L.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
And who who have you reached out for for help
with that?

Speaker 13 (53:51):
Well, I've been reaching out, but you can't go through
ACC because ACC won't fund me properly.

Speaker 17 (53:54):
And it's just it's it's getting there.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
But so you so you're saying coin that you're about
to lose lose your leg, Well there's people, there's definitely
people that will help you out there. There's agencies that
will make sure that doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
It's a prioris quin. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (54:09):
Well it's it's kind of like, well, if that is
the case, then why aren't why isn't our country helping
our young people?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Because you Have you been a lot and worried about
your leg?

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Have you been to I mean you could get straight
to the exit and emergency right now.

Speaker 12 (54:24):
No.

Speaker 13 (54:24):
Well, it's not like it's I've been I've been here,
I've had constant surgery. It's it's a long thing and
I kind of don't really want to talk about it already.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
So who's who's who's paying for those surgeries that you've had?

Speaker 13 (54:35):
Well, acc paid for the first off for the surgeries,
and then the other ones have been emergency surgeries.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Yeah, so but you're not paying for those.

Speaker 13 (54:43):
No, No, but I am paying for it out of
the fact that I used to be a triathlete of
my career and my sport is now gone because of
this country.

Speaker 17 (54:52):
My I'll never be has has has.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
The career, your career and triathlon gone countries.

Speaker 17 (54:59):
How am I supposed to race from my league? Doesn't work?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:02):
But how's that the country's fault?

Speaker 13 (55:04):
Because if there was proper adequate healthcare funding, because the
thing was which is directly caused by uncleanliness and hospitals.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
But like so, I mean I would love if everything
was free in healthcare. But you're saying this country is
worse than other countries. For healthcare, Well.

Speaker 13 (55:23):
Well, I'm saying that's what a lot of young people
are looking at it like, and not just for healthcare,
for a whole lot of things, for opportunities, for ever,
bit for pay for ever, being able to buy a house,
Like a whole lot of young people will never be
able to buy a house just because of the parents
they were born with. And that's that's the case. It's

(55:44):
like at the moment, it's really based off who what
you were born with. You know, the opportunities you were
born with to be able to go to university's opportunities
you were born.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
So how did you end up going to university?

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Quinn?

Speaker 13 (55:58):
I went to university because I worked before I went,
So I dropped out of school early to be able
to work full time and be a trip.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
So we have a system in this country where you
can get a student loan, you can get you can
get living allowance, and then the taxpayer pumps in the
rest to cover most of you university and then you
get to pay it off as an interest free loan.
So that's that's pretty generous, wouldn't you say, Quinn? From

(56:26):
the taxpayers of New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (56:28):
In some sense. But I would also say that the
opportunities that we get posts that are also bad enough
where you might never be able to pay off your
student loan.

Speaker 17 (56:37):
Well you might.

Speaker 13 (56:38):
People will still be paying off their student loans and
they're thirties, when back in the day you would have
already had a house at thirty, You know what I mean? Like,
the fact of the matter is all the housing crisis
in New Zealand is terrible, and people own houses and
new houses aren't being bought. And then landlords own four
houses and certain people own none.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
So how I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
You have to have landlords only multiple houses or else
to be nowhere for you know, when I was your age,
I didn't I couldn't afford a house. So to rint
house you do have to have landlord squint, don't you?

Speaker 17 (57:09):
But then this land?

Speaker 13 (57:10):
But then why is eighty percent of your wage going
towards only a house when back in the day you
wouldn't have been able to It wasn't like that, you know,
you would have had the opportunity to trip. Well, it
would be at least that I'll be looking at that
for working two part time jobs and being a student,
I'll be looking at that.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Can I take you back a step and I'm worried
about your leg, but so we'll get back to that
in a second. But so would you like a situation
where everyone is given a house and everyone is given
a career, and and you know, the government takes care
of everything, so you.

Speaker 17 (57:45):
Have given I would like an opportunity.

Speaker 13 (57:47):
I would like a situation where everyone's given the same
opportunity to succeed, and everyone's given a reasonable baseline, so
where everyone can survive. Because you say that it's that
people are sitting around and being lazy and they can
just eat. It's not the case, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
People, We've just got to go because we have to
pay our bills. But we're just going to go. Air break.
But I'd love to talk to you after the air
break if we could.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Quinn, Yeah, just hold there, Quinn were to come back
with more. It is twenty eight past two.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
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Speaker 3 (58:33):
It is bang on too thirty Okay, so Quinn, we
don't have long because we're running a bit late. We're
enjoying the chat though. So what do you think that
you would need or that you're owed more than that
you get such that you could see succeed and obviously
give more back to the country than you take, because
I guess that's everyone's goal, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (58:54):
Yeah, Well, I feel like I feel like if everyone
was given the same opportunity when you're growing up to
get a good education to do all this, and that's
not the case anymore because of private schools. Private schools
basically separate people permanently, almost especially my generation. If you

(59:14):
go to a private school, you're going to get more
opportunities because you know people and if you want school.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
I went to public schools, and the public schools are
completely paid for by the taxpayer pretty much, right, apart
from a few things here and there. So isn't that
pretty awesome? There's some fantastic public schools and New Zealand
my kids went to public schools and I can't believe
how good the school was and how good the education
was that they got.

Speaker 13 (59:36):
Well, that is true, but it was Also it's based
off well what your parents, who your parents are. So
if you've got parents who are in a good job,
then you're going to be able to get into a
good job, where if you don't, then you're going to struggle.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Do you worry that you do?

Speaker 8 (59:50):
You?

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Because you've only got one You've got this life, Quinn
that you're living at the moment, and there are some
advantages and some disadvantages. You live in New Zealand, so
you've got you know, you've got the huge advantage of
being in New Zealand compared to let's say just roughly
ninety ninety five percent of the population of the world.
You're in a better situation than they are. You know,

(01:00:10):
if you were born let's say you're born in India,
or if you were born in you know, third world nations, right,
you know, where there's no there's none of the support,
no no help when it comes to get into university
and all that kind of stuff. Are you worried that
your attitude is going to hold you back? And I
know that you're dealing with this health care situation and

(01:00:32):
I feel for you that, but but are you worried
that that that you've got you know you have the
path that's in front of you. You have advantages and disadvantages.
You're brought into this world. Everyone has advantages and disadvantages.
Are you worried if you concentrate on the disadvantages that
you won't ever be able to move forward and forge
the future that you might be able to I mean,
nothing's guaranteed.

Speaker 13 (01:00:52):
But I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about other
people's situations. So I know I'm in a good situation.
I know I've got I know i'm blessed, I know
I've got all these opportunities, But I'm speaking for the
people who I know who are left behind, you know
what I mean. Like, I'm at university because I have
had opportunities, but then there's people who also haven't. And
I know people who would work twice as hard as me.

(01:01:14):
And that's not saying I don't work hard, you know
what I mean. I work bloody hard. But I'm saying
that there's people who would work just as hard, but
they just haven't had the same opportunities at life, and
that's just not fair.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, thank you so much for talking to us, Quinn.
Make sure you get that leg mate. Yeah, well, we'll
lock up some stuff for you and make sure that
we can get you in touch of the right people.
Because if you're worried about losing your leg to sceptis, yeah,
the then luckily we live in a country where where
there will be a way that can be you can
find that help that you need.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
That's right, all the best with that. Quen to just say,
Quen eighteen, he's at union, he's got two jobs. Mate,
You've got an advantage here.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
If you're surrounding people, surrounded by people who think like
that way that they don't get a fear shot in life,
it's up to you to have a chat with them
to say you can kick button this life if maybe
you just change your philosophy a little bit. But thank
you very much for your phone call. What do you
think on that? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
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Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty two to three.
It's fair to say there's been some feedback on young
Quinn who gave us a call before eighteen year old
he week's two jobs, he's at UNI, but he feels
the system is rigged against him and other people like him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
So the six says, so interest free loan for Quinn,
seventy five percent of that paid for by the tax
power of unifees. If he can't get a job, unemployment benefit,
if he can't get a house, social howthing. Seriously, no
one owes you anything, but this country does a lot
for people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Seem to be very generous. Do you agree with that?
And this Texas here is Quinn. I have four kids.
One is on the doll one is an apprentice, one
is at UNI, last one is still at high school.
The difference is attitude, not opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Hey guys, I just bought a house in Auckland. I'm
twenty five. It was six hundred and sixty five thousand.
I bought it with my parents Mum, and we saved
a deposit of ninety thousand just from working at the tip.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Nice. Good on you working at the tap. It's a
great place. A tap. I love the tip.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
The refuse transfer center, yeah, hey is there. This is
totally off topic, but a referuge transfer fuse a refuse
transfer center is different from a tip, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
How is it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Or does the stuff from the refuse transfer center to
get transferred to other places such as the tip?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Oh you're onto something here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
It just struck the other day when I was at
the refuse transfer thing, I was like, am I not
actually at the tip? Am I at transfer center? I'm
at some kind of waystation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
To the tip?

Speaker 12 (01:04:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
I done too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
If you know, it's not as a big a topic
as what we're talking about right now. Marissa, Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 18 (01:05:04):
Yeah, hi, guys, how are you. I've just been listening
to young there before and found it really interesting. As
far as I'm my own business with my business partner,
it happens to be a commercial construction company in Auckland,
and it was really interesting listening to his conversation around.
He keeps saying the word given, given, given, and what

(01:05:25):
we're finding in today's world as far as we've got
our own apprenticeship program, so we're actually train and qualifying
new builders coming through the industry. And what we're finding
with these young kids that are coming for apprenticeships is
that they I don't know, I don't know if it's
because we're the parents, it seemed to be that they've
just given everything these days straight away. And I've got
my own children, and you know, back in the day

(01:05:47):
when I was younger, you know, peers of like nikes
or Jordan's you know, we had to wait for our
birthdays before we were given those sorts of things. And
I just feel like these young kids, these days are given.
You know, Mum and Dab were gone by the pair
Dulians tomorrow, and you know, they're not having to wait
or earn, you know, these these rewards, so to speak.
And and yeah, I see it in the world a

(01:06:08):
force where you know that these these we've got these
young apprentices and they're rocking up to work in BMW cars.
And my nephew, who's sixteen years old, he just has
bought a VD Touag, which is a thirty thousand dollars car.
And I'm like, hold on them, and what's going on here?
Because you know, when I was old, when I was
when I was going up, we had a six hundred,
six hundred dollar bomb, you know that we started off

(01:06:29):
as our first car and we eventually worked our way
out to you know, a nicer car, and that was
the reward because you worked for it. It seems like
these young kids these days wants everything now and you
know they're not prepared to put in sort of the
hard yaker. And what Quinn was saying is that he
wanted it to be given to him or his parents.
You know, it was all about the parents and getting
It's a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Weird philosophy, isn't it. But it's that because I guess
it used to be that the world doesn't know you
anything was kind of the mantra, right, you know, you
don't you're not owed anything. You've just got to get
on with it. But if there's people that have this
attitude and it's depressing for them because they feel like
they're being ripped off all the time, that they don't

(01:07:11):
have the opportunities when they have more opportunities than then
possibly any other time in history. There's very little few
times when there has been as many opportunities as were
for tertiary training, all the different things you can do whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
But it's not their fault.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
It's got to be the parents, the generation before, right,
So the generation, each generation creates the next generation. So
we we say, oh, why why are kids taking this?
Really depressing approach to life. It's kind of what you're saying,
if they've been given too much stuff. And I kind
of know what you're talking about, Marissa, because with my kids,
I was disgusted one year we got them so many

(01:07:45):
Christmas presents that they got bored of opening them. It
was the most discuss it was the most disgusting thing
they ever saying, wow, because by the time half.

Speaker 18 (01:07:53):
Of them away, We got half of them away in
the cupboard and we bring it out to at the
end when on a rainy day, oh, we open up
a Christmas present now, because you say they get bored.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Of it, and so what chance says a kid that
gets into that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
So we massively cut back.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
And then the problem is getting grandparents to cut back
because they'll they'll just turn out with a huge pile
and if you're not careful, you have to really cut back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
But do you know what I'm saying, It's like, yeah,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 18 (01:08:18):
And then, as I said, having the construction company is
I think we're seeing these young kids coming through. They
want to do the apprenticeships, but at the same time
they want to have you know, I'm not community today
because I'm second you know, I grew up on a
farm and I said, kick pine kinds on our farm
and I'd sell them for sex for five dollars out
the front gate. Then I used to buy Bobby caff
and I used to buy Bobby Calff for twenty five dollars,

(01:08:40):
had it, hadn't read it for a year, sold it
to you know as a hiffer for seventy five, and
then from there, you know, it was we got taught
at a very young age that you know, how to work,
work for your money, put in the bank. And then
you know, we were very fortunate where we got to
take into Disneyland when I was like fourteen, and it
was like, oh, you can spend five hundred dollars out
of your bank account that you've sold pine kinds and

(01:09:01):
growing up Bobby caasts and whatever. So we would go
to the Mickey Mouse shop and buy bloody Mickey Mouse
peans and pads and whatever. But it was that it
was that you you're in like you work for it
and you will get the reward for it, but it
was never given to you on a player like we were.
As I said, we had to wait to Christmas before
we got a pair of you know, Nike, Emaxed Jordans
or whatever they were. You know, we're these these kids,

(01:09:22):
they just get that my mum, I want these shows.
I caw bun for you now, you know. And they're
walking around in labels and these sixteen year old kids
are like we're in perfumed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Everything used to be so much more expensive in New Zealand.
Like a pair of basketball boats, like kick ass basket boats.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Was an insane amount of money Ordans.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
So since since, you know, we've got so much stuff flooding,
and that's what you know, that's why we can't run
a shoe company in New Zealand very well, because we
can't manufacture them there because big companies overseas with big
factories can just pump them into our economy. So there's
so much junk being put through the system.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
So you know, if you have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
If you have two hundred toys, then none of them
are worth much. But if you have two toys, they
will member those toys for the rest of ther life, right,
They'll have more meaning. But also the other side of it,
Marissa is when you were when you were you had
this Bobby calf and stuff. You weren't going on social
media and seeing someone saying, look, I'm twenty, you know,
eighteen years old, and I'm worth seventy eight million dollars

(01:10:24):
because i've exactly you know, I'm running this this channel.
You know you were you know, you just didn't know
about that stuff.

Speaker 18 (01:10:32):
And that's what I'm saying. Is this a social media
thing where they're seeing, you know, the superstars driving around
in de wagons and whatever, and so they're all going,
I want I want that now, I want the look.
I want the diamond earring, I want the flash after shave,
I want you know, the girls wearing you know here
extensions and fake eyelashes. You know, at sixteen, you know,
it's like at sixteen, my gosh, I wouldn't. I didn't

(01:10:53):
even know what bloody huge I was, you know what
I mean. And I was very lucky. I grew up
on a farm. But it's just this whole like they're
seeing this world that is unrealistic. And you know, as
I say, I've spoken to my nephew and I'm like,
what do you want to be? Is when you grow up?
I want to be an entrepreneur. I'm like, what are
you going to be an entrepreneur? He's I don't know,
I might get into AI and I'm just like, oh
my god, Like I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Was like, I just hopefully at one point the girl
that I fancy will maybe talk to me for a
second high school.

Speaker 18 (01:11:23):
Yes, I can't understand my children. I'm bringing up my children.
I've got two young girls and I'm bringing up I'm
teaching them how to fish, and I'm teaching them how
to ride a motorbike, and I'm teaching them how to
you know, just get back to BaseX as far as
you know, like learning you know, to enjoy the nature
and to enjoy you know, it's not about having the
fanciest brands or whatever. And I think, and later on,

(01:11:45):
I think the skills learning how to fish or learning
how to them you know, you're going to come back
to base Well, no, I don't think. I go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
You are. But unfortunately a lot of people don't have
people that even see that that's a good idea, And
as a result, there's a lot of depression now there
because the things that we think are going to make
us happy, the easy path and the abundance and everything
that's going on, it turns out to make the endless.
Dopamine hits. It's actually making people we ironically the things

(01:12:21):
that we imagine would make us happy and making them miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
As a parent, to beat the noise of social media,
isn't you know? That's an incredibly hard thing to do,
and it sounds like you're doing that moster.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Yeah, thank you very much. Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. We're taking your calls on this as well.
Nine to ninety two is the text number. It is
thirteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
It's a fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty US talks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
The'd be it is aleven to three. Hi, guys, seems
to me only fans make the cash. Now, how times
have changed? Yeah, I mean that's a depressing thing. That's
that's part of it, isn't it that you just sold
that there's these really really easy ways to make money,
like depressing ways, like becoming an OnlyFans model. Yeah, and

(01:13:07):
so instead of doing like a really hard course or
starting the bottom of a company whatever, doing a lot
of hard work. You go, hey, but this person just
made a whole lot of money on only fans. They're
making five million a year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
I mean you never see the one hundred and fifty
million other people on only fans humillowing themselves for no
money exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Yeah, yeah, you never hear about their tale.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
You just get fed the absolute most extreme examples of
success constantly, and then you go, well, why am I
here working like a schmuck trying to move up the
ladder to buy a six hundred and fifty two thousand
dollars house in Auckland when this person is just flashing
their feet around no fans and driving a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Bentley sometimes more than feet. Oh one hundred eight sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Not on my feed mate, you're on the wrong feet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Oh one hundred eighty to eighty is the number to
call a couple of texts.

Speaker 16 (01:13:59):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I get a Matt and Tyler. My husband left. I
have four children I raised alone too. A qualified chefs
work in Australia and owned their own homes. One went
to teachers College and did not come complete degree. One
went to you need to study Accounting, did not complete degree.
All four we're given the same education opportunity. Two chefs
have great careers. The other two not so, but are
working in pay mortgages on the New Zealand home and
now in their late forties, are regretting not completing those

(01:14:22):
unied degrees. Take heed, young ones choice, not chance. That's
from Chrissy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Only natural to give your kids what you didn't have
when you were growing up, you see, that's the thing.
It is natural to do that. But as a good
parent you've got to not always be the Disneyland parent. Yeah,
sometimes you've got to make them do the hard stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I mean getting bored of opening Christmas presents. That's a
hard watch, mate, that's disgusting. Yeah, bet it is right.
More in a minute. It is nine to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Big reason, the issues that affect you, and a bit
of fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
News Talks EB six to three.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
The sexer says the old but we didn't eat avcut
of toast.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
That's why.

Speaker 15 (01:15:03):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
The simple factors. We're in back to back recisions, booming
housing market that's outscaling wages by magnitudes. Working couples today
have similar buying power as a single income person fifty
years ago, and it's just getting worse. Older parents don't
want to admit this because it belittles their efforts in
life because they had it easier.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
But it is true.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Well, most things are cheaper than they were comparatively, except
for a few key things such as houses, which are
insanely expensive and healthcare, which is quite expensive. I guess
in some regards there's some things, but materially the amount
of material items you can get is cheaper than it
was at certain times. But that sort of doesn't really matter.

(01:15:47):
I mean, you were given the times that you're given,
and you just have to do with what you are.
I mean, these are challenging times, but are they the
most challenging times ever? I mean, people during World War
two would probably say that these times aren't as challenging
as it was during World War two or just after
World War Two, you or you know in five twenty

(01:16:09):
six when a volcano exploded and the world was in
darkness for a year. That's pretty bit a bad times.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
There were some tough times, but are you are you
guaranteed a house in your twenties? All guaranteed a house
at all? And look, as we know, there are many
more ways to get a hid in life. Than just
a house. I get it. I'm not downplaying the fact
that it's nice to be able to get into property,
but as we know, there's far more ways to build
your wealth than just the property market. Just because you've
been told from generations that it's a good thing to
do doesn't mean that's always going to be true.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
And it absolutely doesn't matter what other people do, because
you've got your life that you have to lead, and
what other people have got and don't have is kind
of irrelevant to you. I mean, look, in times like this,
you've got a quote, Gandalf, haven't you when fraid to
asked them? I wish it need not to have happened
in my time, and Ganov said, so do I, and

(01:16:56):
so do all who live to see such times. But
that is not for them to decide. All we have
to decide is what to do with the time that
is given to us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
What a wise man Gandolf was and beautifully red man right,
Newsport and Weather is fast approaching great debut company on
this Wednesday after noonsday right here, we'll be back very shortly.
You are listening to Matty and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Said, be getay to you, welcome back into the show.
It is seven past three, so we haven't been talking
about the unemployment rate at five point six percent. That
is according to figures released by Status New Zealand today.
That compares with five point four percent of the March
quarter twenty twenty six. And we've also transitioned to talking
about the youth unemployment rate. It's at twenty five point
three percent. But we did have a call from eighteen

(01:18:18):
year old Quinn. He was at university. He was working
two jobs and he was worried about his leg but
he felt there weren't as many opportunities for people like
him his age groups previous generations, and that the deck
was stacked against them when it comes to those opportunities
and jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Yeah, and a bunch of people are texting, why are
you taking such a negative spin on these stats, because
well it does not so the zero point five percent.
What happened is that actual employment went up by zero
point five percent, right, yes, which is the growth in
the number of employed people, So they are actually more
employed people by thirteen thousand, So you could use that

(01:18:58):
stat you could, but the workforce grew yet so as
a percentage, so it does not mean that the employment
rate increased by zero five percent. It is possible to
create thousands jobs, will still failing to create enough jobs
for everyone newly entering the labor marketplace.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
And that's important to specify.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
So you could you could say thirteen thousand jobs were
created than the last quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
You could yep, yeah, and that's a good news to it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
The but the way they do the equation is the
unemployment rate is not the percentage of the entire population.
It is the number of unemployed people divided by the
labor force. Yes, so you get the labor force and yeah,
it's a number of unemployed people divided.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
By the labor force, right, yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
If the labor force increases and the amount of jobs
created don't increase enough, then you get this figure.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yep, spilt on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
So so there is there is a there's a more
positive way to spin it. Thirteen thousand jobs were created.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
That's a great headline. Yeah, but we're taking your calls
on this O one hundred and eighty eighty one. As
an employer, how are you finding the quality equality of candidates,
but also you know, for the young people in your life.
I mean, do you agree or disagree with what Quinn
had to say? Do you think the deck is stacked
against the young people these days? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
And I was invoking from Lord of the Rings because
people are saying it's much harder now for young people
than it's ever been, and that there's been multiple recessions,
and you know, it's it's a very difficult time. And
I invoked Gandalf.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
You did here he is. I wish the Ring had
never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.
That's Friday, so do ball. We'll live to see such times.
But that is love for them to decide or me.
You have to decide, is what to do. At the time,
I just give the terms, so wise, so powerful, always Gandalf.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
At that time, I've got to say that Friday was
going through and Gandalf and the whole fellowship we're going
through worse times than we are now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Yeah. Someone says, dot dot dot Gandalf isn't real, you fool,
You're full of a took the text, so shut up
with your harder times crap. Well, what about you could
you was it Theodore Roosevelt who said do what you
can with what you got where you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Are, or that's good from titty.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
And the thing is with that is it doesn't really
matter because you can spend your whole life complaining about
the situation you're in and maybe you're just maybe you're right,
maybe you have a point, but that doesn't really help you,
doesn't doesn't really help you at all. No, that's right, Yes,
because there's always there's always better times in the past
and probably better times in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Then you are living in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
You can always sulk, you can always say things aren't
going well for me, but it's what you do to
try and tune those things around. There's always actions that
you can take in life, no matter how dire or
suck you and they.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
And they may blow up in your face and it
may not work out because there's no guarantees because because
life isn't fear right, but they definitely won't if you
just sit around spending your entire time watching TikTok clips
about how bad it is right now, potentially created by
people with political motives or motives to you know, get
engagement from you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Yes, you know, and there's definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Motives, motive of political motives to make things seem really
really really really bad because people want your vote all
those kind of things, right, you can concentrate on all
that stuff and or you can give it a go yep.
And people say that's a trite thing to say, but
what other option do you have?

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Well, exactly, you know, these are the times you've got
to use. Another analogy is you're never going to sink
the basket if you don't take the shot in the
first place. And so I may say that is tried
and cliched, but is it true. You know, if you
don't actually make an effort to try and improve things.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Do what you can with what you've got where you are,
and maybe something will happen, but may not. But at
least you're not in the trenches right now in World
War One or something.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
That was tough times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call get
a monique?

Speaker 12 (01:22:51):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Hello, nice to you.

Speaker 16 (01:22:54):
Yeah, Hi. Now we are employers. The last time that
we advertise through seek we had just under seventeen hundred.

Speaker 13 (01:23:05):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Wow, what kind of job? If you don't mind it is.

Speaker 16 (01:23:10):
It is a factory job, production job, right, Okay, so
we have oh minimum that if they work well, there's
over time. Now we have eight questions. Now I won't
go through all the questions, but some of them are like,
are you willing to work? You know, how many hours

(01:23:30):
are you willing to work? Whether you have proficient English,
whether you're wanting a drug test. You know you're happy
to have a drug test, Just just basic questions like that.
Through that, we can actually get down to a quarter Okay,
a lot of people, a lot of now we are
pro young people. This is a more physical job or

(01:23:55):
potentially so a younger person. It does suit them anyway,
So we had, you know, we can cut it down
to I don't know, four hundred something like that, and
then we're go through and just try and decide, you know,
which ones should we follow up for references and things

(01:24:16):
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
So once we've done the eight questions, you get down
to about four hundred, and then you're looking for people
that are physically able to do the work pretty much
what you.

Speaker 16 (01:24:24):
Are physically able, whether they have transport. Because we're in
christ Church, we do often start before six, so getting
a bus is not not an option really, just a
couple of other questions that we have a lot of

(01:24:44):
the time we don't actually hear back from them. So
you have those twenty people that you you know, choose
and then they don't get back to you. So I
would say for young people, you know, it ends up
it is we do employ people that we know mainly,
or people that come on the door and just knock

(01:25:05):
and just come again and again. Yeah, there is work there,
but it's very frustrating when you get through all that
and then you have an interview and then they don't come.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Yeah right, yeah, absolutely, that's a lot of admin. That's
a lot of admin to deal with sixteen hundred and
fifty employees looking it down to two.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I mean, that's that's a huge amount of work.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:25:30):
Well, I mean, you know, once they go through those
questions and they you know, if they don't have proficient English,
mainly we have employed people with not proficient English. But
it's it's difficult, you know, it's difficult to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
What kind of factory work is that money.

Speaker 16 (01:25:54):
I'm not going to say We'll get lots and lots
of people wanting and we don't have any vacancy side
at the most is factory work. It's a smallish company.
We only have about thirty people, and we do employ casuals.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Sounds desirable, It sounds like a desirable job for you
getting success success, and.

Speaker 16 (01:26:16):
We have a great working environment. We ended up employing
one person from those sixteen hundred, actually the last two people.
We employed one person. He lasted a week, but he
thought he could do better than all of us, so
in the end he decided that that wasn't his job.

(01:26:39):
The other one, you know, lasted not quite a week,
looked really promising and was suffering from depression, which we
didn't pick up on. So then you go back to
the drawing board and it becomes very difficult. So I
would say, if you're wanting work, get out there, knock

(01:27:00):
on the doors, send your CV, you know, and and
you know that's what you've got to do. You can't
sit back go to the interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
You get an.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
It's a biggie Well, there's a bunch of people that
are sending through conspiracy theories here, monique that people purposely
fail interviews because they have to keep getting their you know,
getting their benefit that they have to.

Speaker 16 (01:27:27):
Apply some like that. I'm pretty convinced that you can
tell when they walk through the door.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I don't really want this job.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
It's pretty easy to fail, pretty easy to fail your
eight questions if you wanted to write, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
I'm not a go getter.

Speaker 16 (01:27:46):
Yeah I'm not. You know so, And but there is
work out there. We like young people. There's a more
physical job. So just be willing to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
I think a lot of people and are actually looking
to really help young people and get them through. If
you see someone that has a go get her as
you say, and looks like they're going to help you,
you'll do everything for them, right they and we look.

Speaker 16 (01:28:16):
After our staff, you know, we're concerned about them. The
main thing is attitude. I mean, you can have all
the qualifications in the world, but if you don't have
the attitude, where does the attitude come comes from? You know,
somebody said, you know they need all these encouragements or whatever,

(01:28:36):
but it comes from parents. You know that you give them,
you give them a chore to do and they do it,
you know, or or they've got to work for their
pocket money or it doesn't come on a plate. I mean,
you know, we've had times that we've struggled as a business.
You know, it's just hard work.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the problem is though that
it's not necessarily a kid's fault and they've got a
parent that doesn't do that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
So if you grow up and you haven't had a kid,
that's you haven't had a parent that's made you understand
what things are worth or made you do the chores.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
You know, how do you break out of that cycle? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
I mean, not everything's parents fault, but you get a
lot of advantage of you. And this isn't really anything
to do with money. You can be you know, I've
met plenty of trust fund kids that are and that
have turned their lives into a living hell because their
parents haven't shown them, you know, how to the worth
of things right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Everything's been handed to them first for too long.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
And there's plenty of examples of you know, for a
want of better word, poor families that have taught people
the value of work. But it has to be a
parent that has the mindset to do that. So that's
what I say. It's always it's always the generation before
has to take a lot of responsibility. It's like millennials,
everyone goes millennials, ye, week, So who's faults that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Not quite geniquess, I mean probably the boomers, but then
people given old gen z at a lot of grief.
That's you guys. Yeah, too many presents at Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Exactly, Neph. You completed a pre apprenticeship course, says this text,
and was handpicked by a local employer solely because his
attendance record at tech was so good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Attitude is everything nice. Keep those taps going through on
nine two nine two. It is nineteen past three. Back
in the moth us talk said be it is twenty
two past three, and we're talking about the unemployment rate,
and it's transitioned to talking about the unemployed unemployment rate
rather of the fifteen to nineteen year olds at twenty
five percent, and whether the opportunities exist out there, and
there has been over the past couple of hours a

(01:30:47):
lot of talk of perhaps the entitlement of younger workers
who want the recognition, the prestige, the status, the money
pretty much as soon as they get into the workforce,
and that might be part of the problem, whether that
social media or otherwise. And it always reminds me of
the scene from the great TV show Mad Men. You
don't have to be here. I do have to be
here because of some stupid idea from Downey. You had

(01:31:08):
to high because you stole his other stupid idea. Don't
get personal because you didn't do your work.

Speaker 13 (01:31:12):
There is no Danny's idea. Everything that comes in here
belongs to the agency.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
You still work here? Is that a threat?

Speaker 18 (01:31:19):
Relax?

Speaker 16 (01:31:20):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Here's a blank piece of paper. Why don't you turn
that to low code? Are you out of your mind?
You gave me twenty ideas and I picked out one
of them. That was a kernel that became that commercial,
which you changed just enough so that it was yours.
That's the way it works. There are no credits on commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Did you got the clue? It's your job.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
I give you money, you give me ideas, and you
never say thank you. That's what the money is for.
You're young, you will get your recognition. It is absolutely
ridiculous to be two years into your career in counting
your ideas. Everything to you is an opportunity and you
should be thanking me every morning when you wake up,
along with Jesus for giving you another day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Oh come on, money, I'm sorry about your boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Okay, I always let that say nobody just when she
says you never say thank you. So that's what the
money's for. I mean, that is a part of it.

Speaker 17 (01:32:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
You get a job and then the whole point about
being paid is you are being thanked for the contribution
you're making to the company. But on that she's been
in the job two years and she's asking for the
recognition of these commercials that they're making. I mean, is
that rarely part of the problem here where young people
are getting into work and they want to be the
boss within the first couple of years. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
I want to get paid and thanked too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
They know you don't get paid, Hey, you don't get paid.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
No, I get paid, Yeah, but I want to get
paid and thanked. It's a thankless job. It is a
thankless job, absolutely thankless job that we do here.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
It is a boys, great show. Thank you. That's about
time we got some recognition around here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
My thoughts, and maybe harder for young people, but this
is due to employers being wary of the entitlement and
general lack of work ethic that seems to be more
prevalent in the younger generation. The six says, I love
you guys, what a great show as usual. That's from
Angie X. We just don't get I get paid, but
I don't get thanked.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Yeah, more those please This Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Says, I am nineteen, so a year older than that.
That that guy, that that guy, he was a pussy
very cringe guy. Come on, we aren't all.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Lame like him. I hope that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
I hope you mean that accidentally from what he was
going with the whole my whole group are going hard.
We all know those wingy cringe guys. He's just getting
he's just ingesting slop, being lazy and blaming everyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
We call it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Pick me, pick me guys, pick me cringe. Don't think
we're all like that. We're not, okay?

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Is that right? If you're eighteen nineteen out there, pick
me cringe, pick me cringe. That's a nice line, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
I wonder if that's someone that's I don't know, what
is this such gin z buzzwords all the way through?
That should we should bring that text and see if
it's is there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Really a nineteen year old sixty five year old It
feels a little bit over the top. Maybe for nineteen
year old picnic crunch.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
Chick me cringe, yeah, if you're if you're as pick
me cringe A a realistic saying for that age, grape
or if someone asked clawed create a nineteen year old
takes Yeah, Kevin, how are you mate?

Speaker 9 (01:34:26):
I'm good boys. I just want to say thank you.
You guys are awesome and what are great shows today?

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
As speaks the recognition we need.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
I just want to need, Kevin. I just want to
be paid and thanked a lot. That's all I want.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
I need a gold medal along with my paycheck.

Speaker 9 (01:34:42):
He don't like the conversation has been brilliant today, but
I just wanted to maybe highly an experience I've had
and deal them with government. And one of the things
has been been mentioned about the schools not preparing kids
and things like that. Well, to be honest, I've experienced
quite the opposite. West Auckland Secondary School have got their

(01:35:04):
own building academy, and what they've done is they've identified
that there was kids up to year alive and that
were really struggling at school. They were an academic truancy
was sitting around thirty three percent attendance, and when they
decided to develop this this building academy, they got the
kids from year twelve and year thirteen would actually start

(01:35:27):
building houses for Canoras. These are trans transportable houses. Yeah.
So I run a recruitment business and labor hire specializing
in construction and when I heard about this, I just
needed to know more about it because I thought this
is fabulous. When I went there, I could not believe
my eyes what these what these students were actually learning

(01:35:47):
and how they the teachers. One teacher in particular who
ran ran the academy was an absolute legend, an absolute superstar,
and he's he's mentored these kids from year twelve they
start off building these two maybe three bedroom houses for Canyora,
and then they would go from year year twelve and

(01:36:09):
the year thirteen. They then became like supervisors. So the
the new year twelve as it came in the year
thirteens were then supervising them and teaching them and having
accountability and they were doing everything from the subfloor right
away through to the finished article. And I was just
I was it was insane. But the problem was to
leave school and then they treated the laborers when they

(01:36:31):
go on to a building site despite the fact they've
got two years worth of right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:36:36):
So when I got there, I started looking at this.
I then decided, no, there's more too, that these kids
are actually doing more than what an apprentice we would
do in the first year. And when we started looking
at it, these kids were actually coming off of year
finishing school at year thirteen was pretty much about twenty
to twenty five percent of an apprenticeship completed.

Speaker 10 (01:36:55):
So they were getting.

Speaker 9 (01:36:57):
Taught how to use the tools, the health and safety.
They were even giving tasks where they would say, right,
here's a deck, you lay it out, you create it,
you design it. So they were getting then haven't it
used their mind and having to best themselves. They would
even do the inspections where they would actually the council
committe to do the building inspections and they were taking

(01:37:17):
a side and then they would either they would find
out if they passed or they didn't pass, and when
they passed, they celebrated it. When they didn't pass, they
learned why it didn't pass and then they would do
better next time. So there was accountability as well, and
there was leadership. Now one of the so I presented
this to Minister penk And said this is the way
forward for New Zealand and a number of reasons for

(01:37:40):
it would be truancy. We had issues with truancy at school.
Now this went from thirty three percent attendance to ninety
seven percent attendance.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:37:50):
Whoa absolutely spectacular result just on that alone.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:37:53):
Not only that, but the price to build these were
cheaper because there was no labor content because they were
learning at school. So then kang Yora and the taxpayer
was getting cheaper accommodation built, which meant for the budget
we could build more houses. And I then said to them,
why are we not looking at this nationally? Now, you
imagine putting this into the schools around the country where

(01:38:16):
you've got children like this at school. They've got two
choices that you're living to leave school they end up
in trouble in gangs or wherever it would be, or
sitting on the computer games all day, or you keep
them at school. You then have a convert belt of
them coming out. They're now fast tracked into the trades,
so we could end up having fully qualified trades people
by the age of twenty one. Yeah, which then alleviates

(01:38:38):
the issue of us having to rely on migrant workers
because we don't have the skills. They are the trades there,
and after you give it like five or six years,
we'll have a convert belt then of fully qualified trades
people by the age of twenty one, and then we
don't have to rely on migrant workers as much as
we're doing right now.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Imagine imagine the you know, the feeling of achievement of
you know, building one of these houses would be intense
for a young person.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
You look at that and you go, well, I'm that
in terms of achievements and tangible results for your work,
that's got to be great for I mean, the word
mental health is always bandied about, but you know I
mentioned that that would be healthy, robust job satisfaction.

Speaker 10 (01:39:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:39:22):
When I asked the question about why the attendance changed,
one of the things they said was because we've given
these children a purpose.

Speaker 10 (01:39:28):
Yeah, and that's so true.

Speaker 9 (01:39:30):
Right, you're giving them a purpose, then you're given a
pathway and then all of a sudden, by the ten
that's twenty one, they're earning thirty five dollars an hour,
so then they're commute, they're contributing to the family. They
feel that they're getting rewarded. They've now got a trade
where they can start looking at maybe setting up their
own business. They've got a career pass, you know, they've
got a flexibility to move around the country if they

(01:39:51):
wanted to, if there was work, because they've got a trade,
they could go overseas and work in that trade and
come back.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Yeah, thank you so much, Kevin. So we've got to
go but yeah, yeah, great.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Cool, Yeah, absolutely right. It is thirty one pass three
back of them.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Out Ethan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZIV.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Twenty seven or four. Terrible time management from me. We're
horribly late, but a few texts before we've got the
headlines hot on our tail. This one says there is
only one job where you start at the top, and
that is digging a post hole. Every other job you
start at the bottom. Profound.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Oh yeah, that is that is deep, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
That is deep?

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
This Texas says high team kids choose the hard done
by mode because it's easier than working. It's less vulnerable
than trying hard and potentially not making it. It's far
easier to outsource personal accountability by citing it's not my fault,
rather than actually going to work.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
And being slightly vulnerable.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Failure of audiences is my powerful is more powerful than motivation.
Fail forward, everyone, fail forward. Yeah, that that is true.
It's if someone allows you to make excuses, then it's
a lot easier than the potential humiliation of failure. But
if you if you allow yourself to and you you know,

(01:41:10):
you lean into one of those cliches like all failure
is learning, then you get ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Yeah, but it is very easy to say I can't
because we live in a system that's against us and
we'll never be able to buy a house. Yep, So
you won't even bother. What's the point. It's like, right,
what's the point? I'll just jump online here and then
get some get some food, sit on the couch.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Very easy in today's age. What do you say though, Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call in nineteen nine two if you want to send
a text headlines with rayling coming.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
Up, you've talk said be headlines.

Speaker 12 (01:41:44):
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show a quarter of fifteen to nineteen year olds aren't
in work. Nationally, the rate rose to an eleven year
high of five point six percent for the June quarter.
It includes eight point eight percent to Northland six point

(01:42:07):
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(01:42:30):
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(01:42:52):
at enzidherld dot co dot enz Now back to matt
Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Thank you very much, Raylean. So we have been talking
about the unemployment rate at five point six percent, the
highest in eleven years, but it has transitioned to the
youth unemployment rate fifteen to nineteen at twenty five percent.
And why do you think that may be? Andrew?

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
You've got a response to Kevin. We just had on before.

Speaker 14 (01:43:13):
Yes, Hi am I on here.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
You're you're well and truly on are loud and clear? Andrew,
what do you got?

Speaker 14 (01:43:21):
Thank you very much. I find your show entertaining, educational,
and I really appreciate all the work that you do
in preparation for it. And I don't even mind waiting
for the head brakes because that's how you get paid.
Your a phenomenal amount of money.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Recognition. That's a good thing that feels good.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
And thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Yeah, but I don't even need my paging now.

Speaker 14 (01:43:48):
A lot of it might be the part of the
problem of the pres is that they might go through
school and do their trade call and be able to
hang a door and do the architravees and do skirting
boards and do a nice paint finished for plastering, but
the boss wants someone that can be on a wheelbarrow,
tack all the old broken bricks around, put them in
the skip and dig a trench. Now that's the reality,

(01:44:10):
and then there's but on better than I. He might be,
but they've got to still do their time at the
bottom because they might have another apprentice steps down the
road a bit more and they might be being treated
as laborers. But the problem is they're getting a wage
and then they can always apply for another job from
that job. And that's the problem with all of young boys.

(01:44:31):
If you put them on a wheelbarrow, they don't have
the physical strength even took the wheelbarrow up and into it.
They can't think they can't take a trench because the
hands are so blistered.

Speaker 15 (01:44:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Right, So there's there's a cinemata hard just hard work
that needs to be done before you're the fully rounded.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
You know, employees that what you're saying, Andrew, the other.

Speaker 14 (01:44:54):
Way, they want to be all just fancy, fancy, just
there be an electrician. Bertie's all about the screw driver.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
But that's part of it, isn't Andrew. I'm going to
admit something here to both of you fellas and everybody
else listening, as I was one of those kids when
I was laboring. Dad was a sparky but he got
me to help out some of his chippy mates. And
he put me on the wheelbarrow to pour the concrete.
And I was a little bit too young, and I
don't know if I had the strength and I didn't
run at the ramp right and I spilled concrete everywhere,

(01:45:21):
and he was really pissed off with me, fair enough,
but he didn't give up. He said, that is not
the job for you right now. I'll get another job
for you. I need you to take care of a
whole bunch of bricks that need to be taken out
that I'm going to use again. But it's just part
and parcel, right is that Not everyone's going to be
ready the first time they hit in that instance that
the trades. But as long as you've you know, I
like to think that I was mortified when I did

(01:45:42):
that and thought, all right, I'm done here and Dad's
going to be really upset with me. But he gave
me another shot.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
Yeah, wasn't instinct I could do the broom.

Speaker 13 (01:45:53):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
I see people that can't use brooms and they don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
The short sharp you know, is an art to it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
It's amazing when you see someone that can't use the
broom it happens from.

Speaker 14 (01:46:02):
One side of the building the again.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Long but.

Speaker 14 (01:46:11):
You boys, and it's not for any better.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
Yeah, good on you, Andrew, thanks to cool. I think
Steven Spielberg its slightly different, but he, I think was
Steven Spielberg that said, you don't need to be able
to get coffee orders right to be a director, but
you'll never get a director if you don't get the
coffee orders right. And what he meant was when you
come on a film set, when you arrive on a
film seat, and the same across all jobs. You don't

(01:46:35):
arrive on the film seat as the director, but you
have to prove your worth and all the levels to
get up, and a lot of things you're proving your
worth aren't what you're going to end up doing. So,
as he says, you know you don't have to be
You know you don't have any of the coffee baby.
It's the famous thing anyway. But someone said, text me here,
you're living in a fantasy world Matt quoting Gandalf from

(01:46:56):
Lord of the Rings over serious issues like youth unemployment.
It's insulting. Get out of the fancy the fantasy land.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
Well that's a bit rude. Well, That's what I say
to them. Be silent, keep your forked tongue behind your teeth.
I did not pass through fire and death to bandy
crooked words with a witless.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Worm to say to that great response, I'm not in
fantasy land, not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number
to call, And we've just had a ticks back from Quinn,
who we had a chet to a little bit earlier.
He was having a tough time in life. So we'll
read that out next. It is seventeen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
That'd be fourteen to four. So we had a call
from Quinn. He was an eighteen year old. He was
at Uni. He used to work two jobs, but he's
been put into bed after getting some sepsis on his
leg and he was feeling a The likely deck was
stacked against him in terms of opportunities. So he's takes
back and here it is. You see get a guys
on the eighteen year old who called earlier. My main

(01:47:57):
issue isn't that we don't get opportunities. It's that it
doesn't matter how hard you work. If things go wrong
out of your control, you're left behind. I get that
life as hard, But should I be wondering if I
can afford to keep a fo ording to get an
education because I can't afford to pay for medical care
and education at eighteen? No, I would love to work.
I don't have TikTok so saying I'm sitting at home
consuming sloppers not rights. I want to work, But how

(01:48:18):
am I supposed to work when I've been made disabled?
I used to wake up at two thirty am, train
until six am, work till eight am, go to school
until three thirty pm, train until six pm, and work
my second job until nine pm. I never got to
live my teenage years because of this hustle culture that
is pushed. I was a contributing member of society, but
at the moment it's been taken away from people like me.
So to get the blame for my circumstance feels unfear.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Yeah, I guess that's rough in a lot of ways.
But I guess the answer to that is life is unfair.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Yeah, Unfortunately, bad things happen to good people.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Bad things happen to everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Yeah, that's right, and bad people as well. Yeah, good people,
bad people.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
Yeah, bad, bad stuff happens, and yeah, so what can
you say about that? Hopefully some good stuff happens as well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Yeah, particularly for your leg Quinn. But look, attitude is
an important part of it. And hope things get better
for you, mate, And thanks very much for texting back.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, and a couple of texts coming through A
nine two nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
Hi, guys, Andrew's got it totally wrong. If he knew anything,
he'd know that the program that Kevin was talking about
is relocatable. Of course, they don't poor concrete. They get
lifted and transported to their final destination. What is priceless
and the biggest advantages that they've had experience in the
trades and their work ready poor and concrete will happen
when they're in they're on site. As Kevin said, it's priceless.

(01:49:37):
Cheers Prouce. Yeah, I think, but isn't he also saying
that because Kevin was saying when they get onto the
next thing that they're they're busted right back to the start, right, yeah,
and I think all Andrew was saying was yeah, but
when people come on to you know, when you hire them,
then you you there's all kinds of things you want

(01:49:57):
them to do, and so you might you might just
have to go back to the start for a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Yeah, you know, and you've got to prove your worth.
No matter how lowly the job you think it might be,
that doesn't matter. You were there to do the best
job you can, whether that pouring concrete or raggetting on
the end of the broom. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call it? Nineteen nine
two is the text mark. We've got about a couple
of minutes before we get to play some messages. What's
your take?

Speaker 4 (01:50:22):
Good afternoon, Jims. You're doing a great job. I think
i'll talk to the bottom and get your paying cruise.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
How does that sound?

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Yeah, it would be well, just the thanks is enough. Actually,
hang on a minute, I'd quite like to pay rise.
So if you could do that, Mark, that'd be nice, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Okay, just more thanks for me and more money for tailer.

Speaker 10 (01:50:39):
Exactly, why not? You're both both together.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
So why not?

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Thanks mate?

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Good on you love it?

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Remember I don't know how old your books are. But
I'm in my late sixties now and I was an
academic and I got kicked down at school at thirteen,
and I had I had a lot of jobs in
my life, but I loved the job that i'd done.
Like you're saying, wold bearing tweep and the streets, what
if you have to do you have to do. My
son is now thirty thirty five, not thirty five, and

(01:51:08):
I pushed them in to get the trade. You've got
electorical trade now and he's so qualified and inspector as well.
But he'd done lotsmoking for four years when he was
younger and he liked it, but he had to go
to Australia to get qualified. So I said, well, get
a trade and he loves his trade. With the kids today,
I think there's a small minority that don't really want
to work. There's job's at there, say McDonald's burger king,

(01:51:31):
and you know you'll get a job if you really
want to work. And it boils down to self discipline
and respect for yourself. And that's why I think, you know,
what if you haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
What if you hadn't had those instilled in you you know.
I mean that's a bit of a problem because because
people are saying maybe that's not being instilled from the
education system, it's not being instilled in people from their parents.
How how do you sort that one out?

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
Well, I was told that I was stupid so all
my life, and so that pushed me to become more
determined to the deved in life.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
So that's one of the funny things, isn't that That everyone
that's really successful often has a story of it. Was
like Zoe Zoe Hobbs the other days, she was saying,
you know, when she won that goal, she goes, I'm
just thinking about the person that said that I'd never
make it as a sprinter because they said it was
too hard, And here I am winning this gold medal.
And it's a funny idea because it wouldn't be seen
as a good thing to do, but it was actually

(01:52:30):
the motivation that she needed.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
Yeah, I do. I do feel for a lot of
the younger ones, but I think the majority of the
young ones are actually working. Look, you don't necessarily need
a trade to succeed, like I was bus driving, and
so if you've got a license for two years at
car license, you can go to these bus companies and
now we train you up and you get a Liverpool
wage like you get probably live one hundred dollars a week.

(01:52:56):
I'm driving a bus and they're screaming for bus drivers
in New Zealand and a lot of the bus drivers
coming from the Philippines because they can't get people to
drive the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Is there, Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
It's a good point. Yeah, driving a bus though, Oh
that's a tough job.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Yeah, they deserve they deserve what they keept driving a bus.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Absolutely. All right, keep those things coming through on nine
to nine two, But we've got to take a break.
It is eight minutes to four. Will be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
News talks there be it is six to four. Couple
of texts before we wrap up. This one says, O, gooday, guys.
My son is eight and he's a boy that loves
to get out there and sweep the path and driveway
and gardening, and he mows the lawn every weekend. He
loves it. I think he's turning, turning the times and
these kids, and he will have many values when he's older.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
This Texas says, look at check out the minimum wage
versus median wage of the last twenty years. The difference
has closed massively. Why would you hire an experienced eighteen
year old when you could get someone with thirty years
experience for a dollar or two more. That's an interesting
person point. People keep saying McDonald's. But it's quite actually
quite difficult to get in as there are so many applicants, Matt.

(01:54:17):
But if you do get in there and you go hard,
you can raise the ranks of McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
Yeah, someone was teaching through He runs a McDonald's and
he reckons you can get ninety thousand dollars in three
months being a manager. Wow, it's not bad. All right.
That's the end of the show.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
Thank you so much for listening, and thank you for
all your calls and texts. Here the Duplacy. Allen is
up next. She's back from holiday and after four pm.
The government is introducing an official ad system for service animals.
The government says it'll make it easier for disabled people
to exist in public, but a disability advocate tells her
that why she thinks it's demeaning. Wow, But right now, Tyler,

(01:54:53):
why am I playing this two thousand and six song
from American singer songwriter John Mayer.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Oh what is this one? He's quite the ladies man
ah waiting on the world to change.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
Why why?

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Because Tyler, we were discussing about the challenges for young
people in New Zealand's at the moment, and the suggestion
that it's too hard for them to get ahead, and
we were saying it might be a hard time, harder
than sometimes easier than others. But we don't get to
choose the times we're in, so we just need to
deal with what we have in front of us. This
is our time.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
There's no point in what a missing But well done, mate,
it's beautiful the timing on that, all right, you see
him busy, So we'll let you go on.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Man, Hey, that's time. Adams move back live on your
radio tomorrow afternoon until the en give a taste Kiwi
all right the world.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
Where Mattie than Tyer Adams for more from news Talks
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