Full Show Podcast: 05 June 2026

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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Be welcome into the show. It is six pass one.
Thank you very much for giving us a listen. I
hope you're having a great Friday afternoon. Matt Heath, Hello,
Oh my goodness, good a. Tyler Adams, Hey you doing mate? Good? Yeah? Happy,
happy it's Friday.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, no, I'm very happy it's Friday, and very happy.
I just had a new bathroom put in, so I'm
very happy about that.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Had the shower. Go tell us about the shower.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Shower so good, A brand new tile shower with one
of those ones that goes from the top. You know
you you got the two spouts. I just love a
powerful shower that goes directly from the roof, like rain.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Nothing better than a bit of pressure and you shower
as well. Yeah, it's actually to come by.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
There's something I want to talk about later on the show. Actually,
let's talk about this after three o'clock. If you're keen
Tyleer Adams. Yes, tell me the amount of ointments and
potions and different things that some members of a family
have to move into new on suites in the house.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
So in our house the new thing fantastic vanity and
mirror lovely, and the mirror can open up and it's
got stuff to It's like a cupboard.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Mirror, yep. I know the ones. And so there's.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Four big drawers and three draws across on the vanity mirror.
I'm getting one little corner of the vans the mirror
to put my shaving stuff in, and one little drawer
in the corner of the vanity. And my lovely partner Tracy,

(01:59):
she's just filled everything out with weird potions and ointments
and squeezy things and the range devices.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I hear what you're saying. You speak in my language here,
buck can I just too much? A human doesn't need
that much to survive. You should be thankful you've got
a corner at this point, Matt, because before you know it,
you're already shaving outside. Then there's going to be a
little cupboard for you outside with your shaving gear and
that shelf space. That's all traces well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, now there's stuff outside of even the cupboards as
everything's getting loaded, and there's also stuff all through the
shower and some stuff on the bench as well. I
just think, as a human, do we need that many ointments?
Do we need that many?

Speaker 5 (02:41):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Did our ancestors have to have that many treatments just
to get through the day? I do not think so.
And yeah, further to that topic, that's what I'm doing now.
I've had to set up a mirror outside so I
shave in the driveway to stop getting my ears everywhere,
because that's a problem, having a few sort of hears
here and there on the vanity, and yet it's covering

(03:04):
the whole thing. And little expensive potions and god knows
what they're, four little bottles of ointments or whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm up for it. This is good. This is news
that you can use. So we'll do that after three o'clock.
How many ointments is too many? And they are in
the bathroom also after three point thirty. Because it is
a Friday, the moment you'll wait for new Zealander of
the week. Who will it be? Now? The front runner
is hugely controversial, hugely controversials. Yeah, so look out for that. Yeah. Hey,

(03:34):
I'm really excited about something else that's happening on the
show today. Yes, later in the show, we're going to
catch up with one of the most influential voices in
modern Stoicism, Ryan Holiday. He's coming to New Zealand for
a one off event in October. This guy has sold
millions of books, has millions of listeners on his podcast.
He's worked with CEOs, world champion athletes, top politicians, and

(03:54):
it is an incredible chats. I mean, he has been
an absolute leader in Stoicism, which seems to be having
a bit of a resurgence in the world at the moment. Man, Yeah,
I mean the Stoics.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
The Stoics were a group of four officers who emerged
in ancient around the third century BC, and they followed Stoicism.
Of course, it's founded by xenov stim but they believe
that understanding the natural order of the world was the
best way to align ourselves with it and help us
lead virtuous lives of wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance. That's

(04:26):
the idea of Stoicism. I'm a huge fan of it.
Anyone that's read my book Lifeless Punishing ye will know that.
I mean Ryan Oliday was one of the influencers for
writing this book. Beak, so I started reading his books
on stoicism that I read the Daily Stoic every day
one of his books.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yes, the Obstacle is the Way.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
It's just a great philosophy for life and such a
treat to actually get to talk to this guy.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
He sold millions and millions and millions of books. He's
a powerhouse. So looking forward devon chat with Ryan Holiday
towards the end of the program after two o'clock Clothing
ran half of his facing backlash after being accused of
using AI to recreate the likeness of real models. So
model Elijah Timmins Skellen. He claims images used in the
new ads appeared to mimic him, and has raised questions

(05:09):
about whether the models are being replaced or copied without
paymental permission.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, this is interesting and it sort of plays into
what we were briefly talking about yesterday, and this movement
to boycott AI basically to say that if someone, if
a human, can't be bothered making it, then why we
should should we be by the consuming it? Because AI
is an intelligent in the human sense, and I think

(05:34):
people are getting infused because it's called artificial intelligence, but
it isn't. It's a token prediction machine and it's just
basically an unreliable magic trait.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's what's happening.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Because it doesn't understand, it doesn't reason from lived experience,
it doesn't have consciousness, It doesn't know if what it's
saying is true or not. LMS are not the way
to intelligence either. It just predicts patterns in a data
based on statistical relationships. That's all AI does. It isn't creative.
It doesn't originate ideas. It predicts what humans might do

(06:08):
from what humans have done before. There's no intention of
motion curiosity. There's no personal experience in there, right, Yes,
So just re combine stuff. So if people are just throwing.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
It out there.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
In any kind of crewded way, and that includes ads,
if it's an email that comes to you when someone's
just generating ail. If a human won't make it, why
should we consume it? You know, if a human can't
be bothered making the content, why is humans should we
bother consuming it.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
That's going to be a great discussion after two o'clock,
But right now, let's have a chat about school. Uniforms
actors floating an election policy aimed at bringing down what
it describes as the outrageous cost of school uniform same
families can be hit with bills of up to one
thousand bucks a child. So under this proposal, state schools
would be limited to just three compulsory branded items, while
parents could buy basics like shorts, pants, socks from regular

(07:02):
retailers instead of the price he at school approved supplies.
So the party argues, this what ease pressures while still
deserving a sense of school identity. Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Do people have a problem with this? It's I guess
it's just I can see how it becomes complicated, right,
so does Evan Because the thing that I find out
about it is that they're saying that the schools, the
policy would cap compulsory branded uniform items at.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
A maximum of three. So what is that? Is that?
The blazer? You know, the jersey? What would that be? School?
You have to have the polo because it's got to
be branded, right, Can you just have a polo from Kmart?
Maybe you can, But how do you pick the three items? Well,
hang on a minute, I say, so you got maybe? Yeah,
what three items would you do?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Because some someplace they have caps, right, Yeah, so that
doesn't get Yeah, I think three is an odd amount.
So the pants have to be generic, and the shoes
have to be generic, and the socks have to be generic.
I think also the days you love school branding. I
love I love the idea of the school getting to
branded stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
And identity is hugely important. What do you say on
this eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Is this a
winning idea for you? How much are you paying for
your kids' school uniforms? Is this going to work? I
mean again, the part I see potentially going wrong is
where do you draw the line on the color matching.
So someone you've got blue navy shorts for your particular
school part of the uniform. Someone buys a pair of

(08:24):
shorts from Kmart and they're not quite the right blue,
and then they say, well, that's okay, it's blue enough.
But then it starts to go wider and wider, and
that blue starts to become green, and that green starts
to become brown. I mean, where do you stop you? Yeah,
it's nice to around.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Although when this was implemented in Britain, which it has
been in the United Kingdom, they reckon that equivalent to
New Zealand money. That family saved about one hundred and
thirteen dollars per student.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
That's not bad. So that's not nothing. Yeah, that's not nothing.
What do you say, how's this going to impact you? O?
Eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty Is this a great
idea from act to bring down the cost of school uniforms?
Tell us ninety two? Ninety two is the text. It
is a quarter past one, the.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Big stories, the big issues, trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, it'd be
seventeen past one.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
So do you like our ex election promise of bringing
down the cost of school uniforms by saying that the
schools will be limited to just three compulsory branded items.
The rest can be bought at any old shop you like. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call now,
this is a question I want to know, so thanks
for asking it. Steve Boys.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Can you find out how much the school makes off
the uniforms and if they do profit, who picks up
the shortfall? School fees be better? If the kids look good,
if it's the same cost. See what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's a great question. See what Steve saying.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, because if they make it that way or they
make it another way, then I mean, do we really
begrudge the schools from trying to make a bit of
money from selling the school uniforms.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
It doesn't go to the pocket of teachers of the principal, right,
I think if they are making money off the school
uniform it goes back into the schools. Then it goes
back to the kids some way or the other. But
if you know, please, oh wait, hundred eighty ten eighty,
give us a call, get a hey, great mate, are
you very good? How much are you paying for your
school uniforms?

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (10:14):
My gosh, I have three boys and by the time
I'll pay only one pair of each, and that was
costing me six to seven hundred mite in the polo year.
And it's quite and sometimes one uniform is not enough
by the time because in the summertime and all that
one is, one uniform is quite tired. And if I'm

(10:35):
buying two pair, and that would be especially shured. I mean,
it's too much, you know. On the I can understand
how much is affecting my pocket and a lot of
other people can be effect because okay, I'm earning a
little bit better, but not that much. I would suggest
that one has two multiple shops approved and not a
one shop, and that all we have to rely on

(10:56):
that one and it's open business. Somebody want to do it,
like Kym, I'd want to do it. School has to
give information. Yeah, you want to do it. You want
to spend the money on that side, it's up to you.
You need to meet that color and that you know,
but it's to one chop and the price is high,
and everything is coming from China. You know, if I'm
looking at when nothing has been made here, I'm saying, okay,
I'm supporting my local business or industry and people are

(11:20):
working there. But that's properly, you know, it's quite high.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I would say, you want to know that it was good.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
You want to know it's good quality, though, wouldn't you?
Because one thing, when you buy the school stuff, it
tends to last. I mean, just as I was saying before,
the amount of hand me downs we've got suggests that
the polos for my kids high school last a very
very long time. So you don't want to buy buying
something that it's cheaper at the time, but you have
to buy five of them throughout the year.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
Yeah, yeah, makes sense. I mean that's that's why I
say if someone is gonna but the school has to
approve that, you know, I colored and all that one
quality checks and all that ones and if they're not
going on that march, so they can kick it off.
But it's it's quite busy. I mean it's quite I
mean this means it's quite heavy on the pocket, mate,
So that's e fact.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, cool think if you cool appreciate that, I mean
it differently is doesn't it he be on your pocket?
Because but Scott, we haven't even mentioned the shoes you
have to get.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Oh that's right. Yeah, and shoes are freaking expensive. Yeah,
particularly the school shoes. I mean that was rugged shark.
Back in my day. What was the one we were
talking about? There was a crazy story about Vladimir Putin
who came down to sell Oh he was working at
a bart of bullets Barla bullet store in Wellington. That's right,
the bar of bullets.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
He's now getting his ass kicked by Ukraine at the moment.
You see, did you see that this is off topic.
You see that attack and Petersburg some Petersburg just before
the Russian Economic International Economic Forum. Yeah, that's a Peudin's
big thing, and it's just blowing smoke because the Ukraine
jones managed to hit the refinery just near Sant Peers.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Anyway, that's by the bye he did. He used to
work in bar of bullets. Yeah, that's right, But barter
bullets were more sneakers for like sports shoes, I believe. Yeah,
Roman sandals they were pretty expensive. But what do you say, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call and if you want to send a text. Ninet
two ninety two is that number? A couple of techs
coming through.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Our kids go to a large state school on the
North Shore. It costs over six hundred to clothes in
the school uniform. That's not including sports specific uniforms in
PA uniform. Then the uniform changes when they had year ten.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I already read that one out, didn't it till I
think maybe the other thing I'm thinking of, and there
was a tech. I need to delete them once I've
read them out. That's poor broadcasting text edmund Tex. There's
not radio award winning broadcasting. Hey, there was a text
that came through before and it said, why don't we
make all the uniforms standard across the board as in
the same color, the same shorts, and then you just
have a badge that you put over the blazer or

(13:42):
the polo.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Oh, this is what the Texas says. In many countries
the whole country has the same uniform. They then have
a badge that denotes their school. Seems like a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Does the takeaway school identity? Because I don't think that's
a silly idea. They were looking at doing that in
the UK. I don't think they've got that across the
line yet. But if you've just got a stock standard
one manufacturer, that's all they do is produce these school
uniforms for the hundreds of thousands of kids around New
Zealand and then just put a week badge on it.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Buty, hang on the minute. Don't you want to clearly
see by the color what school you know? Especially around
Truancy right t Trancy officer driving around, they need to
quickly see the color of the school.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
If it happens to be.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
A blue blazer and a gray polo or whatever, or
maroon there seems to be the two key colors blue
or maroon.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Smoke them another brick in the wall, you know, take
away the color. What do you say though one hundred
eighty t and eighty it is twenty three past one.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Actually here yourself. Think it's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
So here's Billa says. It rejects the ceasefire. So is
it even worth the paper?

Speaker 8 (14:43):
It's ritturmont.

Speaker 9 (14:43):
Unfortunately, any two way agreement when it doesn't include that
the powerful third party is basically not worth the paper.

Speaker 10 (14:51):
It's red nine.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Correct, Okay, So what happens from here?

Speaker 11 (14:53):
Then?

Speaker 9 (14:53):
I think this is something where we would be hopeful
that there would be continued de escalation. The problem is
is the Israelis still are defending themselves and also quite
frankly attacking other neighbors to be able to secure their frontiers,
and that of course means the United It is perilous
and trying to breade any incentive to Israel.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Unfortunately, hither duplessy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast. It's
back Monday from six am with Bailey's Real Estate on
news Togs there'd.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Be twenty six past one. So as got a proposal
ahead of the election to reduce the price of school uniforms.
They say that parents can buy the basics shorts, pants,
socks from regular retailers instead of price here school approved supplies.
This is a good idea at eight one hundred eighty
ten eighties and number to call. A lot of people
are just texting the word nomad through are no mads
the nomads? And make no meds compulsory across the board

(15:43):
camel colored nomads.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
You wouldn't have been a nomad kind of guy. What
about tricks? Is the tricks?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Is that the one that had they were swayed in
the head, like the thing down the middle. I think
you're right that was before my time. We were rugged
sharks in the Roman sandals.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
See the rugged sharks are good, right because they're kind
of no. My kids have school shoes that are kind
of like they look like school shoes, but they're like
sports shoes and how they feel when they're on what
are those called?

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, I know, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
I just can't think of the name. You get them
from the athletes foot, the nomads that's a good look though,
that's trendy now. Nineteen ninety two is the ticks.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Number, Matt, I'm a rag trader. They're all made in
the same factories in China or whatever it is cheaper,
says Carolyn. But how come the school polos that you
get just seem to last forever? They must be of
a high quality, right, So a high school polo will
last a generation, will last one kid all the way

(16:38):
through school and then can be handed down to another.
And so they're made out of something bigger than just
what you'd get off the shelves at are you know,
a warehouse or a kmart?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Right, there's got to be tears and the factories in China, right,
because you've got the lower level tiers that maybe go
to the kmarts and then slightly above that goes to
the school uniform shops. I don't know, Chris, what do
you say?

Speaker 12 (16:59):
Well, obviously, coming from the UK, I reckon that the
branded stuff the out lauds. I get that you should
have some kind of uniform for skilled children so they
don't feel that like the parents can't provide and all
that sort of stuff. But like, for instance, my son,
I've got three children, fifteen, thirteen and eight ten years ten. Sorry,

(17:20):
And you know, my eldest son, he lost his pee
top and we bought him another one that was another
sixty dollars. Then he lost that one and we couldn't
get one that week because we didn't have the money.
And his school teacher said that he couldn't participate in
sports because he didn't have an appropriate top, and he
stood down and sidelined. And I think that is wrong.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Although how annoying is that kid's losing their school uniform stuff? Yeah,
it's so frustrating. Come on, this is extensive stuff, especially
like a you know, like the official school jacket or
something like. This is an expensive item and you've just
left at school yourself as little bread personal experience normally, and.

Speaker 12 (18:01):
You know, if we if you know, like we said
that the branding stuff doesn't have to happen because if
we're now in the school, it never did in the UK.
We had we had trousers we wore. It could be
dark trousers, that's all we said. So you could have
some people with like really dark gray, some with black
preferably preferably dark shoes and a like a sky blue shirt.

(18:26):
You could have it long sleeves or short sleeves, and
they didn't have to have the brand. And the only
brand difference that we had was we had to wear
a tie, and the tie denoted what school you went to.
The branding on their.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Own, right, And so you're on.

Speaker 12 (18:40):
About truancy and stuff before. If you had a tie
with a different color on, you knew the person was
from a different school.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Were the ties expensive?

Speaker 12 (18:48):
No, they're about five or six pounds from tie.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
That was it.

Speaker 12 (18:51):
But the only needed that one item to show what
school you were going to, not a branded shirt and
a branded sweater and this, that and the other. You know,
like for Pe, you just wore short from T shirt.
It could be anything. It didn't matter because it's just
the you know, if you're going to a sports event,
you know you would have to wear and get the
proper shirts if you wanted to participate properly like you

(19:12):
would any other sports events. But in school, when you're
just doing sports, what difference does it make? Y just
learning about thought.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I always thought it was to the kids detriment that
if he forgot his exercise uniform and he just had to,
you know, play football, soccer in the school uniform. Shame
on that kid, you know that was that was something
they usually never did again because everyone laughed at them
and they had to stink for the rest of the day.

Speaker 12 (19:34):
Yeah, exactly, So that's my thought on it. Yeah, it's
skill ties. That's the way going in the brand and
have skill ties.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
What about what were you what were you tying? You're
doing a full windsor back then half windsor.

Speaker 12 (19:46):
Yeah it's something you fat boy, So you turned the
tie inside out of a big fat junk, a bit
in the front, a little bit in the middle and
your shirt.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
That's what I used to do. We used to think
they look cool.

Speaker 12 (20:01):
Or you could do a skinny one. You'd tie you
backwards and leave a lot of skinny bit out of
the front as well.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Just teaches just see the most annoying things with ties.
You the fat one. It's only going down two buttons out, you.

Speaker 12 (20:14):
Know, so it looks promptly.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, that's so true.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
And then when things get really loose, you tie them
around your head like the karate kid.

Speaker 12 (20:24):
Yeah, yeah, so crazy with.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Thanks for you call Chris, good luck out there. Yeah,
thank you very much. One hundred eighty ten eighty So
you're with Chris, He shared the UK experience. Does that
make sense here nineteen nine to if you want to
send a text as well. I went to boarding school.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Day girls seem to be able to wear the New
Zealand Regland sandals and no mads us us Borders had
to wear Charlie Brown's and Roman sandals. What are Charlie Brown's.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Charlie Brown's, it's a great name for a shoe. Come on, Google,
Google Google.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Our school uniforms are basic. Most of them are polyester.
The supplies you have to pay for storage. They have
to pay for all the stock up front, so there
is a premium we need to pay. However, he's been
one thousand over three years. That's not bad when you
think about hospital where.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, good points.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
I mean, that's that's my thing as well as and
people kind of talk like it isn't possible to get
hand me down uniforms, right, so does anyone does have
to be a brand new uniform because maybe maybe the
idea is that if you ever don't have a brand
new uniform, then you're you know, it's the reason why
we don't have Mufty in some schools is because it
becomes a you know, a war of who can have

(21:36):
the fleshes closed?

Speaker 13 (21:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, it becomes an arms race of designer closed right,
that's right. But you know, my son's just gone right
through school, my younger son, and as I keep saying,
and hand me downs from his big brother and all
his big brother's mates. So no one cares if you've
got hand me down stuff, right. So he's a uniform
uniforms a uniform You get it for nothing? Yeah, you
get that for absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
What has happened to the second hand uniforms? Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty coming up after the headlines
Next word chat with Catherine. She used to work in
a school uniform shop, so that's good. We'll get to
the bottom of that next it is twenty eight to ten.

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Speaker 2 (23:30):
Raylean so acts the party wants to cut school uniform
costs by limiting compulsory branded items and leading families by
basic clothing from cheaper retailers. And someone mentioned earlier via
text the idea of just having one standard Bland Soul
crushing color across the board for all the children and
just put a badge on it. And I guess that
reminded me of this episode from the Simpsons.

Speaker 8 (23:50):
Well, I'm going to hand it asnyware.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
These drabs student coverings have created the perfect distraction free environment,
thus preparing the children for permanent positions in tomorrow's mills
and processing facilities. Best of all, with less than a
minute ago.

Speaker 8 (24:03):
Before I leave, absolutely nothing has gone wrong.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Well, well it is starting to rain, but I could
hardly be blamed for that, can I?

Speaker 15 (24:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (24:18):
Very good?

Speaker 16 (24:29):
Look at all the colors there, red, green, yellow, orange,
and the blame freaking out?

Speaker 10 (24:38):
Something's coming back to me?

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Don with homework and done with uniforms? Ah, so good?
So good? Is that the situation? They need a bit
of color in their lives?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Do you know a bunch of people are texting me
through are texting and saying that you're not allowed to
say mufty anymore?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
What do you mean you can't say mufty? Matt? I
think schools have stopped using the term mufty in the
context you're using it. Someone says you're not allowed to
say mufty anymore? Would mufty's been banned and actually, I
remember my kid had Mufty Day recently and they didn't
call it Mufty Day. Mufty Bay of Plenty school renames
Mufty Day. Due to cultural insensitivity, Catani's secondary school has

(25:19):
dropped the term mufty. When's this article?

Speaker 17 (25:21):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (25:22):
This is this is ages ago. This article is from
twenty twenty one. A spokesman for the Human Rights Commission
said the word muffie was an Arabic word used to
describe a Muslim scholar of high standing, but in the
course of colonization the term was appropriated. That appreciation has
a history of degradation and racism. The Human Rights Commission
in New Zealand said that get out you can call
it Mufty day.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Come on, no one was associating the word mufty with
whatever that historical context. It was just about cover to
school in your own in your own col gear. That
might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You can't
call it Mufty Day. Bring back Mufty Day, bring it back.
This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
No, what you would have to you would you would
pop a rib contorting to yourself and do such a
position as to get offended by Mufty Day. That's not
you would have to try so hard you would have
to sit there and try as hot as you can
for twenty four hours straight to get offended by the
word musty day.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Thank you very much for bringing that to our attention.
I keep calling it musty day. Fight the power. Yes,
now we mentioned before, Katherine has given us a call.
And Catherine, you used to work in a school uniform shop.

Speaker 15 (26:25):
Yes, I did. It was about twenty years ago, and
I know that the manager of the shop worked extremely
hard to get the highest quality for the very best
result financially for the families. And they also had a
second hand shop, so you could and I worked in

(26:48):
that area, so it meant that you could, especially for
families who were struggling with the cost. Then you could
spread it out with say one new uniform and then
build up the extras with good quality secondhand. And on
top of that, they only needed the only pulstery were

(27:09):
the shorts, the shirt, and I think the jersey. And
then they just needed a black antirac. It didn't have
to be the school black airac. They just needed a
black shoe or sandal. But it had to be a
safe shoe and a safe sandal and that was it.

(27:31):
And then when they went into senior school, they had
the option of wearing long trousers and shorts, and they
did not need to have the blazer unless they represented
the school at some events, and then they could always
borrow that. And of course they needed the tie when

(27:52):
they were in senior school. But my boys came from
a generation of very baggy shorts, very baggy t shirts,
and we wondered how they would cope. The first night
my son came home from school, he fell asleep in
his uniform and it lasted through to his brother, right,
and they just wore the same clothes, and it was

(28:13):
the same for my daughter. She had one skirt, three
blouses and a jersey and that was it. And she
wore the skirt the entire time she was at school.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
So it's brilliant. That's how it should be.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
So all these yeah, these oh sorry, now how come
those school let's just say polos last so long? So
what is the difference? So you say it was high quality,
what's the difference there? What's it made out of that
that a school official polo will last five years longer
than a polo that you just buy off the shelf
at an all store.

Speaker 15 (28:47):
Well, you know what, It's like when you go shopping. Well,
I don't know how much shopping you do, but when
I buy, if I buy something that looks good but
is low quality, it lasts not nearly as long. If
I buy quality for the best price I can, then
I will buy left. But then I'll buy the quality
that I know will laugh. I think it is hard

(29:09):
for families, And what we wanted to give the boys
was dignity so that they felt proud of how they
looked in uniforms. Yeah, really good. We wanted every family
to feel really valued and not unless we didn't want
to reduce their dignity by having to buy a few

(29:31):
things secondhand. And I especially enjoyed working in that area
so that I could send every boy out standing toll
and feeling he calls everyone else.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Good on you, Catherine, Yeah, and like a very good
person in taking that role in the community.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Very seriously. It's a great philosophy. I appreciate that. Yeah,
thank you very much. What a great call. One hundred
and eighty teen eighty is that number of call? How
much are you spending on your kid's uniform? And just
see One of the numbers highlighted in that story was
sometimes up to a thousand bucks. Who's spent in a
thousand bucks on a kid's uniform?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Well you can though by the time you get like
the official jacket, right's said, I'll have a really good jacket.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Two to four hundred bucks for the jacket alone.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Sometimes yeap, and you maybe have a couple of couple
of polos. They don't stink a teenage boy, you know,
we'll stink pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Good god. Yeah, yeah, so they want then you've got
the pants, you got the official socks, shoes tye, Yeah,
I can see how you can get up there. Yeah. Absolutely.
Nine two ninety two is the text and eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number two call. When
we come back, we'll have a chat with Barnaby. He's
just got out of high school and he reckons there's
an item of clothing that's about to make a comeback,

(30:42):
So we'll get to that next. It is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Said be fourteen to two. Act one wants to make
uniforms cheaper by allowing people to parents to buy some
items at just regular old shops. What do you say
one hundred eighty ten eighties number to call get a barnaby?

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Hey, guys, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Good man? So you're just out of high school?

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Is that right? Well, I mean it was probably about
five or six years ago now, but you know it's
uh yeah right, but yeah, uh no, I am.

Speaker 16 (31:19):
I have.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
I loved my school uniform. It was a great thing.
You know, you didn't have to worry. I didn't like
the pe and the house parts and all the colors
and all that sort of stuff, but you know, it
was still pretty good. I do like the idea to
make it a bit cheaper, easier for families, you know,
seven kids. But yeah, I do believe, however, that this
year the new thing coming back is Roman sandals. I

(31:43):
think it's my premonition. You're going to see it out
there people with the new fashion choice. I'm going to
go to the warehouse also, I'm going to buy ten
pairs of sandals and I'm just going to wreck them
all And it's cheap, it's easy, and I want to
walk into winter with that Roman tan on my bas.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Would you with beer feet? But would you Roman sandal
with socks, Bannaby.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
I mean, it all depends on the terrain. You know,
if I'm going going over rocks, you know, if I'm
going to the beach, I'll rock sockless. You know. Sometimes
if you're going on a tramp or you're going to
the store, you don't want to scare all the lovely
ladies around.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
If you're going to one of the great walks in
your Roman sandals, you'd want to wear a big pair
of woly socks in there as well.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Well, it's not exactly.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, do they afford much comfort? Because I look at
a Roman sandal and it seems to just be like
a very small no support at all.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
No sport, no great.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Well, I mean, you know, honestly, it teaches some sort
of resilience. You know, it's the great New Zealand flights.
You know, it teaches resilience and how to get back
up when you cannot stand anymore.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
The equalizer, Well, the Romans are pretty amaxactly Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
And also like when you first buy them, it's awful,
but you give give them three weeks on them. Your
feet have sort of ingrained in them.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, when you were at school, Barnabee. How often were
you having your polo shirt washed? Was it every night
you clean polo shit in the morning or clean school
school shirt in the morning. Where you're going through four days.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I was going three or four days, two shirts out? Yeah,
I mean I am a boy.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah I stunk, remember, Oh yeah, yeah, that's got to
be down.

Speaker 18 (33:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (33:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
They got rid of the rest of the smells, isn't there.
It's just Africa galore at the set.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Work, and I think it just all mixed together. You know,
there's a lot of women that cannot stand that smell
because it brings back too many bad memories.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
They should run it like drenching when teenage boys going
to school, they just get drenched with lined up links Africa,
massive fire hose of links.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
It's an aggressive flavor. Well you like, tell us how
you go with the Roman Sandals. I'll keep an eye out, mate, mate.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
You'll see it.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yes, okay, I'll see it. I'll see it every true mate.
We'll give you a call back.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
And we'll give you Barnaby Barnaby called it. He picked
the Roman sandal.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, great call, Thank you very much, Barnaby. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call It
is eleven minutes to two, or to play some messages
and come back with more of your feedback shortly.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Mad Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 8 (34:19):
It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Afternoons, newstalksb newstalks they'd be we're talking about school uniforms.
Act wants to enact the policy to cut that cost
one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number the call Rosie,
how are you good?

Speaker 15 (34:33):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Do you like this new policy?

Speaker 19 (34:37):
Ah?

Speaker 18 (34:37):
Yes, of course it is because I have I have
spent a lot of money for you to phone for
my kids over the years.

Speaker 20 (34:45):
I have two.

Speaker 18 (34:45):
Kids, right, I have my my older daughter has in
its high school and my second one ten years old.
So I agree with you some uniform when my daughter
you too, you too went to school and at some
girls the school. You know, we're by up to like
seven hundred dollars worth of uniform for for my daughter.

(35:09):
And then I'm talking about three or four years back.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
It's a lot of money.

Speaker 18 (35:14):
I had a lot of money and even though my
boy here's the years here in years sick at the moment,
and lady other gentlemen save the uniform that got him
about sixty five dollars for a T shirt, right, and
then it took three weeks and looked like two years
two years old shots, and and again you had by

(35:35):
so many of a year for the boy. It's probably
about three three to four hundred a year for uniforms
for my boys. And then you know they're rowing so
fast as well. And I actually really and I see
there's some uniform in the warehouse. It doesn't doesn't look
any different. It was so much, And I think it's
good for the parent to buy those. It's really expensive

(35:57):
and not a lot of people can pay that. And
I'm absolutely supposed that.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, I think they should empower sick in hand hand
me downs at school.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I think that should.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I think that should be the go to at the
first thing that people when they start school. The school
takes back all the uniforms at the end and and.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Put some in the hall. Yeah, yep, go for gold.
You get you're running any secondhand ones, Rosie, Yeah I do.

Speaker 18 (36:23):
I will read your distory. However, the wallet hits of
the tech secondhand one that wasn't too, it's really bad.
I went to the secondhand at school and honestly, some
you know, some band and some T shirt they got
a hole there and look terrible. Yeah, so we did that. However,
it's just I think it does we'll have the parents
a lot. It's basically I don't have two kids, but

(36:44):
somebody had four or five that could have got a
lot of money. And again, you want your kids to
go to the school with an eye uniform, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
As a parent, you do, don't you. I mean, that's
the thing.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
If it's like the stationary at the start of the year.
You you want them to do well at school, so
you want to set them off with everything, all the
ducks in the road to start the year, don't you, Rosie.
And that's and that's and that's how parents you spend
a lot of money because you want the best for
your kids and you want them to go to schools
everything they need, including the uniform.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Hey, thank you so much for your call, Rosie. Good
luck out there. Fifty five bucks a T shirt. I've
never spent that much on a T shirt. It's a
lot of money for a T shirt. Fifty five bucks
isn't much for a T shirt fifty five bucks just
for a T shirt, just your old standard cotton fifty
five bucks. Is that a bit of Marino in that though? No,
she's just a standard Hugo boss. Jeez mate, that's all
you coming.

Speaker 13 (37:34):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Looks good? Does look good? I like this text. My
mother was a clean freak.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Two brothers had to have clean socks every day, no
of snowbuts Then when they arrived home, they had to
take their shoes and socks off at the back to
what and put their socks in a bucket of disinfected
that she had placed there.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh that's good stuff right there.

Speaker 17 (37:55):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, right, I think that's all the time we have
for unfortunately, because the news is hot on our tail.
But thank you very much to everyone who gave us
a text and gave us a call.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I tell you what, judging by all the texts, I
think people are generally speaking for this this new Act policy.
Aren't they proposing a little change to make school uniforms cheaper?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yep? They seem to love it. Seems to be a
good option, So hopefully they get it across the line
ahead of the election. Thank you very much. Right coming
up after two o'clock. Really looking forward to this discussion. Actually,
clothing brand half a New Zealand clothing brand Halfer, is
facing a bit of backlash after being accused of using
AI in a new campaign. So we want to talk

(38:34):
broadly about the use of AI when it comes to advertising,
the use of AI when it comes to businesses, emails, etc.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, and I want to talk about this new movement
so that's sweeping the world where people are boycotting AI.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
People don't want anything to do with it. It's slop according
to them. Yeah, come on through, We're going to put
that to you. After two o'clock, oh eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call New
Sport and weather fast approaching. You're listening to Matt Heath
and Tyler Adams. Hope you're having a good Friday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Talk said, be very good Afternoons you welcome back into
the show. I hope you having a great Friday, and
thanks very much for giving us a lesson. All right,
let's have a discussion about artificial intelligence. This is after
clothing brand Huffa is facing a bit of backlash Shaftter
being accused of using AI in a new campaign model
Elijah Timmons Scanlon. He claimed some of the images used
in the ad appear to mimic him, and he's raised

(39:43):
questions about whether the models are being replaced or copied
without payment or permission. Now, in fairness, the hero went
to Huffer. We're managing director. Cap Bury denied that the
image was generated using real models likeness, but when asked
if the person in the image was a real human,
Berry replied, I am not commenting on specific images.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Right, Yeah, So does that worry you if you were
looking at an image and you it was AI, it
wasn't a real model. I mean, if you're the model
and it's your likeness or a or it's based on
you and you're not getting paid for it, then do
you worry about it?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
But we played this.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Audio yesterday actually from an AI writer called Robert Kaminski,
and he had this to say about a movement that
is sweeping the world at the moment, and it is
a movement that encourages boycotting AI.

Speaker 21 (40:34):
If you ever sent me an email that was generated
with AI. You're dead to me, truly. I've been getting
more and more emails, messages, texts that have obviously been
either gussied up with AI or fully generated. And if
you do this to me, I'm just going to cut
you off, because you already cut me off. You know
you're not talking to me. It's not you. You expect
me to read something that you didn't rate, and don't

(40:55):
give me that it's the future either. It's not my future.
I'm not interested in communicating with chatbots for the rest
of my life while we pretend that it's actually a
person that I'm talking to. If everybody starts doing that,
I will just not If you're busy this uses a
customer service agent that is actually just an LM. Then
as soon as I catch on, I'm just not going
to use your business anymore.

Speaker 8 (41:16):
And I'm not always going to.

Speaker 21 (41:17):
Catch on, right, I'm sure people have sent me AI
generated writing and I haven't notice. But my point is
that when I do notice, I'm out. I want to
start a new cultural code of conduct where it's considered
to be a grave personal insult if you expect somebody
to communicate with you while you use a chatbot to
communicate with them, to hold up your end of the conversation. Okay,
I consider it a baseline level of human decency to

(41:39):
never ask me to waste my time reading something that
nobody wrote.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
A baseline level of human decent. See to never expect
me to read something that no human wrote.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
It's a great line. Yeah, very well, put. I'm like
that now.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
If I'm watching YouTube, and you know, most of my
life has spent following the Ukrainian War on YouTube. But
as soon as I noticed that it's A it's AI
generated in any way, shape or form, must stop watching,
watching any If I had to take any AI and
anything at all apart from a music memes on Instagram reels, yeah,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Mind, you know A.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
I mean, I'll watch Luke Skywalker on Jerry Springer.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I'm trying to find out who his dad is. That's
great content. I watch that. But apart from that, that's
good use of it.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
If it's any advertising, if someone's trying to advertise for me,
and I detect any kind of AI, I'm out. If
someone's trying to create anything at all, I won't watch it.
And if I read an email from somewhere I'm all
with this guy. If someone can't be bothered writing it,
why should I bother reading it?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
If a human?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
If as a human you can't be bothered writing it,
then why is a human? Should I bother reading it?
It's just slop? You just pumping slop into the system.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Is that multifaceted for you? I mean as part of
it that there's deception there that if you're watching a
video and you haven't noticed it's AI, and that at
some point a bit of uncanny valley switch goes off
in your head and say, hang on a minute, hang
on a minute, stop the video that's AI. So does
that annoy you because you've been lied to, You've watched
that content, and then all of a sudden dawns on you,
this isn't real.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Well, it's just not creative. It's just it's just you know,
I've just been sitting here writing this dire tribe against AI. Yes,
maybe I'll read it, see what people think. I'd love
to hear it.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Because it was written by me.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
It's mad and passionate and all over the place and
probably has logical flaws in it. But there was there
was this recently in an arts school in you know,
an arts college in America. There was maybe i'll played
the audio later, but it was a you know, one
of those addresses they do graduation addresses. And the guy
speaking he started, you know, a big flowery intro, and

(43:43):
then he stopped and said, what did you guys think
of that? Did you did you find it? Did you
find it dull and boring and meaningless and cliche? And
he goes, yeah, of course you did, because I created
that with AI. So you can just tell that it
sees a lot without saying anything. It has a lot.
There's no passion in it, there's no humanity in it
at all, and I just don't want to have I

(44:06):
don't want to get dumber. Well, this is what I
think about my dog Colin, right, He's he has become
so dumb because he just needs to go and the
door opens so everything he can go out as dog flap.
But he's discovered that it's easier just to go. We'll
do it for him. And I think that's what it's
going to do to human brains. We just get dumber
and dumber and dumber by it, and we accept more slop.

(44:27):
And you know, looked at link, Look at link, LinkedIn.
There's basically nothing on LinkedIn worth reading because it's just
people firing AI slop at each other and slopping all
over it.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
In the responses, what a dumpsify their places?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
AI marketing gets lower response than something created by a
human because it just becomes the same thing processed garbage
and garbage out feed to people. So you know, if
a human can't be bothered making it, then why should
a human bother reading it?

Speaker 2 (44:53):
What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty are you starting to join this trend? Are you
starting to look at advertising, at things that businesses do,
emails that you get from colleagues, your spot it's AI,
and you're jumping on that train and say no, I
don't want any part of this. Nine two ninety two
is the text as well, looking forward to this discussion.
It is twelve past two. Beg very shortly.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Wow your home of afternoon talk man Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty used talk SIB.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
And it is a quarter past too. So why are
you starting to push back on businesses organizations that use AI?
When you spot and say I no longer want anything
to do with you.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Yep, that's what I'm like. I sense AI. If it's
not just some crappy amusing meme online, I'm not having
anything to do with it. I thought that there's this
Amy de Bellis. This is what she was saying about.
This is an interesting thing I was watching the other
day about AI making us DUMBA listen to this.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
I keep hearing. If you don't adapt to AI, you're
going to be left behind. There are several problems with this.
First of all, there is mounting evidence that using AI
tools quickly morphs into relying on them, who are quite
literally damaging your ability to think by outsourcing that capability
to a machine. So basically, if I don't adapt to AI,

(46:06):
I'm going to be left behind with my own brain
that has not been crippled by AI. I'm going to
be left behind with my own thoughts and human skills
that have remained intact, the same skills that were good
enough for Shakespeare and James Joyce and Michelangelo and Donna Tart.

(46:27):
They did not need tools to assist them with their creativity.
Being just human is not a defect, it's not a disability.
And these companies are treating being just human as a
disability in and of itself that needs to be corrected.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah. Some, And that's the thing. So you can use
AI to write do something that you used to do,
used to just better write an email?

Speaker 3 (46:53):
No, use AI to do it and then mean U
keyless about it. And I guarantee that the person that
reads it is about it. The sticks he has met.
You might read an AID email because it's important information
that you need. If I can pass important information onto
someone and save myself the bother writing it, but it's
information they need, why not, well, ray, because AI is

(47:14):
so often wrong. I'm a huge fan of Dostoievski, the
Russian writer, and I'm rereading The Brothers carames Off and
so I was testing AI on it, right, because it's
something I know very very well.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I know the bread up multiple times. Yeah, I know
it very well.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, And every question that you ask about it, it
gets it wrong because because it's complex themes and it
takes human understanding to to break down what's actually being
sid yep. And too often AI will just throw up
something that's completely natterally wrong.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
You put it in there and it goes, oh good catch,
it's like good catch. You could have got it. You
got it completely wrong. Yeah, you just made it up
and you delivered it to me with confidence. Yeah. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighties to number to call
get a John, How you going? Very goods? What's your
thoughts about the use of AI.

Speaker 13 (48:07):
Well, I'm on my way home from work now at
twenty past two because I've saved three hours of my
day today by using AI. So I blay, I love it.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Okay, what did you do with ALI today? John?

Speaker 6 (48:19):
So?

Speaker 13 (48:19):
I don't use it for creative writing anything like that,
because I know you're right, it takes the heart out
of it. But for doing ticky stuff, Excel stuff, formulas,
that sort of thing which would have taken me hours
beforehand to shave off that time, I mean, you can't
go wrong.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, And that's what That's why I say it's a tool.
It's a handy tool. But the word intelligence is intellig
Artificial intelligence is a marketing it's a branding exercise to
try and convince you that it's more than what it
can do, and it's more human than it is. But
they need you, John, you know you're going home early,
but it needs to be overseen by John. For it

(48:58):
to be functional at all, you set it to do something,
but you have to take ultimate responsibility for what comes
out the other end.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Am I right?

Speaker 13 (49:06):
I completely agree, completely agree with you, but use them
the right way and used, as you say, as a tool.
I think it's it's hugely beneficial. But I think you're right.
If you're trying to use it to create things, you
know that in that creative space, or kind of get
somebody to bring out emotion, then I think you use it.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
But how do you stay on that past?

Speaker 13 (49:27):
John?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
The reason I say that is more and more often
I'm seen, and I know this for a fact that
people are using chet GPT or AI to send a
return text message to someone that they've now allocated that
that job of the texting a friend. They can't think
of quite what to say in the situation, so they
run it through chet GIPT and then let the text
fire off. So that to me is then you know,

(49:49):
as the woman we heard from before said, that is
affecting your ability to actually think yourself. That is affecting
your brain. It's effectively like smashing cheeseburgers every day. You know,
in terms of the healthier brain. So you know, how
do you how do you stop yourself from just using
it as an admintle and not making that extra step
every day to do a little bit more.

Speaker 13 (50:09):
I can. I can one hundred percent see how you
would end up doing that. It's not something I do personally.
I'm not gonna lie to you. I've put a written
an email and then I've asked the co pilot to say,
make me sound smarter. You know, I have done it before,
but I've never got it to create something for me
because I just don't think that's the right use. And
I think it's lazy.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, and there isn't it.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
If someone says you an email on a personal subject
and they have created with AI, then they haven't sent
you anything.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
They haven't communicated with you. I like what that guy says.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
It's like, if a human can't be bothered writing it,
then why should I bother?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Read again?

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (50:44):
Yeah, completely agree.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
It's good on you, John. Well you enjoy your AI
created time off? Yeah? Three hours? How good you?

Speaker 13 (50:50):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Do you enjoy it on a Friday?

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (50:52):
All right mate?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
See it all right? Mate? So are you like John?
Can you generally just keep the Admond task to AI
and not do anything creative, or are you all in
if you're one of those people that loves using AI
to send emails or indeed texts to other people, do
you see anything wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (51:08):
There's an interesting study, and I'll play someone talking about
it in a minute where the more people learn about
AI and the more they know about it. They did
a survey of people that know more about it, and
it's kind of like it's the done a Kruger thing
all over again. The deeper you go into it, the
more you know about AI, the less you're impressed by it, right,

(51:29):
unless you have a financial reason to claim that you're
impressed about it. Maybe you're the person at the company
that's invested a lot of money in it, or maybe
you are the CEO of a company that needs an
insane amount of money pumped into your company before your
IPO to float it, you know, to make it look
better than it is.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, and it's pumping it up because you need to.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
The sam Oltman's of the world have to pretend it's
this terrifying thing that's going to replace everyone's job because
he needs it for his own to win the particular
race against all the other llm's out there, and also
to you know, to make sure he becomes a trillionaire.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, we'll get to that next. But taking your call
Z eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, are you starting
to push back on businesses organizations who use too much AI?
Tell us nine to nine two s of Texas twenty
two bases.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
It sounds like you're advocating for aarmish movement restricting use
of AI in the world. That's got to catch as ubiquitous.
If AI is ubiculous in your world, I feel sorry
for You've given the AI genie as well and truly
out of the bottle. The task is to learn appropriate
and critical use of it. That's from made and dened.
What I'm saying is what you think AI is is
not what it is. Yeah, but I do like the

(52:36):
term aimish.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
That is very clear, all right? Beck in them O
twenty two past two. Did you put that into j
GBT to get that? Let's run it through.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on us Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
It is twenty four past two, So we're talking about
the increasing use of AI and businesses, organizations, video content.
If you spot the use of AI, are you now
starting to push back and say I no longer want
to shop with that business or deal with that organization.
That is a trend that is growing around the world.
And IU on board at one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
And I was just saying before about these studies that
are finding out that the more you know about AI.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
The less likely you are to lose I use that.
Listen to this.

Speaker 22 (53:20):
Here's your reminder that the more you know about AI,
the less you're likely to use it. And a study
just confirmed it across seven experiments with thousands of people worldwide.
These researchers gave these people a real objective test how
well do you know AI? And the test is difficult
with questions about how the algorithm works, the training data, attention,

(53:41):
and the model behind it. Then they tracked who was
actually using AI in their data day activities. What they
found was that people who failed the test, meaning people
who didn't know much about AI, they're using it every
single day, while people who ace that test, they're barely
touching it. And to make sure this wasn't afflu this
was tested in multiple different places with college students, everyday consumers.

(54:05):
They even pulled country level data across twenty seven and
the same patterns held up every single time. The lower
your AI knowledge, the higher you're likely to use it.
They also walked into a major insurance company and asked
thirty six senior executives who would you target to sell
your new AI products? And every single one of them said, obviously,

(54:26):
go after the people who know and understand AI. But
that's not the case. If you think about a magic show,
for example, before you know how the trick works, it's incredible,
you're amazed. But the second someone explains that there's a
trapdoor or you see the slide of hand, it becomes
just a guy on stage. That's fooling people. That's kind

(54:46):
of what's happening with the I. People who don't understand
it watch it, write some article or give some emotional advice,
and their brain sees it as this supernatural thing. But
people who actually understand AI see the exact same thing
and think, oh, it's just pattern matching on training data.
It doesn't feel anything.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
They're yeah, I'm well caught. That's a grid about the
magician on stage, And when you know how the trick works.
It's no longer that magical.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I love this AI boycott to Saysandrew. I'm sick of
those swami tech talks like Altman and Silicon Valley. I
do the same thing for the supermarket service self service.
My local supermarket went to a majority of self service
checkouts about three years ago, so I changed supermakets and
go to one that only has a couple of self
service and the majority of actual people.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Haven't been back. Angela. Welcome to the show. Angela. Well,
they're kind of your phone's playing up. You carry on?
Ye yah, gotcha there? Hi, oh, Angela, I think your
phone's playing up. You just steal the right.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Spamming you from space with starlink to try and protect
his AI investments.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Angela's gone. We'll try and get Angela back, but let's
have a chat to Roger get A. Roger, Gooday, how
are your mates?

Speaker 19 (56:05):
I'm good, thank you. I just thought i'd meant you
know a few things that we use AI for in
our business. We're going to accounting firm and I do
a lot of tax advice, and for years I've been
paying let's say, one thousand dollars a month for a
research database, which you know, if I've got an issue

(56:25):
to advise on them, let's spend a couple of hours
researching there. And then recently another product, an AAI sort
of product came along cost me about eighty dollars a month,
cuts my research down, say from two hours to about
ten minutes, and then it will draft the report for me. Now,

(56:46):
it's not always accurate. Sometimes it misses things, so you know,
having had forty years so I can say, well, hey,
you've forgotten this, or you know what about this and
so on. So it's not always it's certainly not one
hundred percent correct, but it certainly saves me a lot
of time, and you know, it's it's it's pretty good.

(57:09):
I obviously go through the reports and the draft report
and correct things, rewrite some things.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
You're the guys Roger that I follow online an AI expert.
He's an accountant and he writes accounting soft uses AI
on his accounting firm and stuff, and he's saying exactly
what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Which is it's a tool.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
But ultimately there has to be a human legal entity
that puts their mind across it, because who has actual
experience and cares whether it's right or wrong, because because
AI can never care, but also cannot take legal responsibility,
so you can't just you can't throw things out. And
so that's kind of what I'm saying. And when when

(57:53):
these big tech guys say, well, accounting is going to
be completely replaced, that's absolutely not true.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
There will be.

Speaker 19 (57:59):
That's not true.

Speaker 13 (58:00):
That's correct, there will.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Be accountings river and maybe you don't do the same
amount of the unnecessary work the you know, sort of
the punishing grind, but in the end, you're accounting expertise
as a human are absolutely essential, more essential than the AI.
The AA can be a tool, but in the end,
the most essential person in your business is you.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Roger.

Speaker 19 (58:24):
What concerns me about it is that you know, I've
been doing it for over forty years, and I sort
of started at the bottom. I've done every job manually
that you can do in the industry, and seeing technology increase,
what I'm worried about as younger people now, how are
they going to get that sort of experience to be

(58:46):
able to manage these tools, because they won't be they
won't have the hands on tools as much as I did.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Well, it's kind of that thing we were talking about before, Roger,
about people becoming dumber by using AI. But the reason
why you are important is because you've been trained such
that you can look at the output and go, this
is right, this is wrong. I can sign this off. Yeah,
So firms would be wise, you know, and industries would
be wise to make sure that they're training people that

(59:14):
have the brain power to be the legal entity that
can take responsibility and sign things off because exactly what
you're saying, Roger, if people you can use it as
a tool because you already know what's what's what, but
if you hadn't gone through then you wouldn't know what's what.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
So how does that work exactly? I mean, you're gonna
have to work to you one hundred and ten.

Speaker 19 (59:33):
Well, that's the other thing that worries me is, as
you know, I'm sort of nearing retirement in a few years,
and my life was in the hands of these younger
people who who won't have had the experience that I've had,
not just an accounting, but in all sorts of you
know fields, really and if so I'm relying on people

(59:53):
that have been dumbed down, it's a bit of a concern.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yeah, But just on that. You know, I think most
people and me included, I would never use an accountant
that said we just solely use AI like yourself, you
need somebody to look over it, because when that goes
wrong and AI makes mistakes and AI looking after AI,
than those mistakes are just going to compound and to
go to the I ID and say I'm sorry, AI
got it wrong, that's just not going to cut the bustard.

(01:00:16):
They're not going to get.

Speaker 19 (01:00:17):
Yeah, I'm just going to give you another example though,
where you know, using AI someboch something like Copilot to
write things and that, and I recently negotiated to buy
a car, and you know, whereas I might have sent
somebody a text and say I'm offering you this, take
it or leave it, I put it through the AI

(01:00:37):
think and it came up with some really strategic sort
of wording of the negotiation, which I probably wouldn't have
had the time or to think of it myself. So
I found it enhanced my negotiating skill by using it
in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
And you know, you're not worried that it'll raise your
ability to that going over.

Speaker 19 (01:01:01):
Well, there is that thing, but you know you're just
going to you kind of want to do things the
best way and think that you know, I'm not the
ex on everything, and maybe drawing on this big l
l em, there's going to come up with some better
wording than I might use on those sort of things.
I'm not a skilled negotiator. It's not not what I
do every day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
What about this, Roger.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
If you went to see let's say, Michaelangelo's David, the
most amazing sculpture of all time, and you were looking
at it, and then someone said that that was a
design by AI and three D printed, I reckon. I
can you just walk on by and go I don't care.
But if you see it for real and you know
that Michael Angelo spent his life becoming that skilled such

(01:01:43):
that he could make that sculpture, that that means something
that's right.

Speaker 19 (01:01:47):
So you know, between between chipping away on that and
lying on his back painting the chapel, I mean, he
was a pretty pretty industrious guy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I give the hard work.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
It also a bit of debauchery around the sides as well,
if you read his history. But thank you so much
for the call, Roger. Yeah, what a great call. Oh
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
Do you agree with Roger and are you starting to
push back on these organizations that use too much aislop
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Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty two to three.
So are you starting to push back on the use
of AI from businesses, organizations? Whoever? If you spot it,
are you saying to yourself, I no longer want to
social associate myself with what you're doing because of that
use of apps? Well, I just heard that the government's
pushing for more use of AI. So shall I just
stop associating myself with the government. I think that's good

(01:03:59):
for everyone. I really enjoyed this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
There's a skit that I saw about AI in a
corporate environment this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Listen to this, Okay, everybody.

Speaker 23 (01:04:07):
The board meeting is now next week and I need
an update on our AI usage and adoption, both on
our external tools and the tools that we're building. So marketing,
let's go first. Just like you suggested, we let go
of forty percent of the marketing staff and we've invested
more AI tools, forty percent reduction of workforce.

Speaker 16 (01:04:25):
Great, but I got to.

Speaker 23 (01:04:26):
Tell you this is our worst performing content ever and
we're not giving any leads to sales. It's it's pretty
awful stuff and everybody seems to hate it. Wonderful sales
for our small market customers. We've let go of all
of our aes and now it's just a buy it
now option on the website that's guided by the new
AI tools that we've invested in. Love it, love it, yes,

(01:04:47):
But I got to tell you the low end of
the market isn't buying anything through this. The buying experience
with the AI think that we invested in is pretty terrible,
all right. Product we replaced the traditional search tool in
the platform with our new AI search, and so product
adoption is out one hundred percent. One hundred percent adoption.

Speaker 16 (01:05:07):
Wh I'll quote you on that one.

Speaker 23 (01:05:09):
But it doesn't work. It's getting incorrect search results, and
it's everything up for the user experience and now customer
supports getting a ton of new requests, all right, and
customer service okay, yeah, well we've fired everyone. I'm the
only one left. It's me and our customers success agents.

Speaker 10 (01:05:31):
Man, that's exactly what I need.

Speaker 23 (01:05:34):
Yes, all right, but this week the AI agents have
started quitting. They realized how terrible job this is and
they don't want to do it anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
All right.

Speaker 23 (01:05:44):
Thanks from the updates everybody. I'll report back from what
the board says. But I think this one's going to
be a big.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Hit Angela, Welcome to the shot.

Speaker 20 (01:05:54):
Hi boys, Hey, I probably lost my mojo, will we
But because yeah, I keep dropping out all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
But anyway, I think you sound mojo Phil. Yeah, I
think you've come.

Speaker 20 (01:06:04):
In more payofful no into Wyoka and I keep dropping
out because we've got real top into net round here.
But no, seriously, I think it's a fad. And yeah,
and I think there's really nothing you can get off
AI that you probably can't get off just searching.

Speaker 24 (01:06:20):
The internet a lot of the time.

Speaker 20 (01:06:21):
Really, you're just getting someone else to do it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Well, I mean everything that AI gives you is just
it doesn't look forward, It only looks back. So it
takes stuff from the past, MUSHes it up statistically, and
feeds it back to you, so you know it's not
a forward looking thing. It's a backward looking thing. As
you say, Angela, well.

Speaker 20 (01:06:40):
I mean I'm not. I mean, yeah, okay, I'm one
of those of boomers. But there's nothing to do with SAD.
I mean, I'm brace any sort of technology if I
think it can work for me. But in the kind
of job I do, which I can't really disclose, but
I can't use I wouldn't be able to use AI
because it needs to be able to be read and
calibrated I suppose by human brain, and they I would

(01:07:02):
never be able to do that, not at the stage anyway,
and I don't think it ever will be.

Speaker 12 (01:07:06):
And also.

Speaker 20 (01:07:08):
When you watch AI on well, you can't help it.

Speaker 12 (01:07:11):
YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
I love YouTube to.

Speaker 20 (01:07:13):
YouTube, and when they get AI to do the narration,
it has no idea of syntax.

Speaker 8 (01:07:20):
Yeah, it's to be terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
I stopped as soon as I as soon as I
spot AI and a YouTube clip in any way, shape
or form, I just stopped. I won't watch.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
It just doesn't just doesn't interest me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
I don't trust it. I don't want anything to do
with it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
I don't care if someone's just using the AI voice
an any part of its AI.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I'm out.

Speaker 20 (01:07:41):
Oh, I reckon, there's heaps of your ads because they
have that funny sound. All these checks all sound exactly
the same, and they say they talk really weird anyway,
and you can just tell. And I'm sure you've got
heaps of AI eds on ZB surely not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
No, We've got We've got a lot of weird people
in the office, So I think that's the.

Speaker 20 (01:08:01):
Weird might be just weird sounding people.

Speaker 24 (01:08:04):
Hey, hey, hey, when your DJ said one day that there's.

Speaker 20 (01:08:06):
A lot more AID than we realize.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Well, anyway, sometimes, Angela, I'm not convinced that Tyler isn't
some kind of AI hallucination on very fear, thank you
for calling Angela. Thank you just quickly. When you stop
the YouTube videos, that is actually the best thing to do,
right because the algorithms will sense that, and if more
people are doing that, then they start to ask the
humans that exist in YouTube while are they doing that,

(01:08:30):
oh because his AI content when they say I don't
want it. So that is probably the best thing that
anyone can do. If you really want to push back
on AI. The very fact that you're bailing out is
absolutely the best thing to do. To try and change
that algorithm.

Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Do you know the way I know that you're not
AI Tyler. It's the way you say somethink or anythink,
and also the way you pronounce our drive shows host,
our hosts a drive show host's name.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
They are Sir Paul Holmes, broadcaster of the year. Hither
to police Yellen. I'm glad she's not here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Speaking of someone who has an overall alliance, and AI
says this text Taylor, I'll be the first put up
my hand and say that I can absolutely film my
brain atrophy and I absolutely regret it. I'm trying to
work on reducing my usage. But what you have been
playing and saying is absolutely true.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
This Texas has just been reading some excerpts from opinions
pieces coming out of the US where some companies are
pulling back from AI due to cost and curd and
the data and electricity usage bells. Sounds like it's working
out for some that there's but for most there's no
cost savings and in some cases actually proving more expensive
for you as I use AI than it is to
employ a person or group of people to do the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, I thought this was a good text as well.
I heard a clip of the head of Rockstar Games
ahead of GTA six s greend theft Auto talking about
how AI, by its very nature, is unable to be
for thinking. If AI makes a video gamer will only
be comprised of things that already exist. True creativity is
about venturing into new territory, something AI will never be

(01:10:08):
able to do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Jenny says, one way to look at it, AI makes
smarter people smarter, but dumber people dumber?

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Which one am I good text? Keep them coming through?
It is sixteen to three. We'll be back through.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Surely A fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heathan
Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty use talks B.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
It is thirteen two three and we are talking about
the use of AI by businesses organizations. Who whoever? Are
you starting to push back on the use of AI?
If you spotted and saying you don't want to work
or do business with those companies again. One hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call in. Nine two
ninety two is the text. A couple of texts coming

(01:10:50):
through on the text machine. This one says get a guys,
I use AI daily because I'm dyslexic. It helps me
write sentences better and more accurate. And saying that I
always check what it says. That's a great use of AI.
I think that's a fantastic use of a tool like AI.
But you're still using your brain, which is the point.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Right, What have you got a against artificial insemination? Says
texts they know and I we're not talking about artificial incumination.
Don't have anything against that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
No, that's good stuff, you know, that is very good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
The success Please don't use my name, but my boss
is the biggest AI freak.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
He's obsessed.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
He tells staff to just chuck it in the chat
and it's really scary as he's not present as he
should be. And you also don't feel like you're getting
a genuine person answer. It's certainly handy. I love it,
but there needs to be a balance.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Yes, right, keep those ticks coming through on nine to
nine two. Now, speaking about AI, a clip here from
a vf X artist. His name is of just bringing
up the clip here. His name is Chris Wells, and
here's a little bit of what he had to say
in regards to AI.

Speaker 25 (01:11:50):
So there is no such thing as artificial intelligence, right,
it does not exist. I'll say this to the camera.
Do not have thinking machines? They do not exist. This
is Python based, you know, libraries of information that's been waped,
scraped from the Internet. It is something that you or
someone else has created, that it is, has has ingested

(01:12:11):
and is being curated by a software company to then
give it what it thinks is the best solution to
what is you're asking.

Speaker 8 (01:12:17):
And now it's out of material.

Speaker 26 (01:12:19):
That's what we were at an AI panel for the
Producer's Guild and they said pretty much everything that he
has been human created has been consumed absolutely, and so
now it's consuming its own creation for learning.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
It's like a human centered its own tail of.

Speaker 25 (01:12:32):
Yes, better better. Yet it's it's clones interbreeding and yes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
So there you go. That is from a someone who's
absolutely a creative. But let's have a chat to Aaron.
Get a Erron, good mate, we've got a couple of minutes.
What you thought about AI.

Speaker 5 (01:12:46):
Use Well, there's a number of problems with it and
the irony of the government telling departments to use it
more is unreal. When they claim that there's a climate
emergency because I just checked that last week that an
AI search uses five times the electricity of a Google search,
So that's one problem. The large companies looking to try

(01:13:09):
and get nuclear power plants because they need so much power.
AI has driven the electricity usage of in the carbon
footprint of the tech industry to now be fifty percent
bigger than the airline industry. It'll be double by twenty thirty.
So there's all these issues, but for me, the big
ones the dumbing down of society that people will stop
to think, and then there's the problems that that causes

(01:13:31):
later on as well as if you replace someone because
you think you're getting a better thing from AI, then
there's a social cost to that as well. So no
one's balancing up the cost. And at the moment, these
companies are spending billions, which means they're going to start
charging soon and once everyone's looped the letter.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Yeah, absolutely right, Aaron. What they're running at the moment
is a loss leader. It's also a very dodgy business
model with the chip manufacturer and the building of the
data centers, it's a circular kind of thing. They're running
a loss leader to try and get to their IPO
and then even now it's not really cost of effective
with employees. Yeah, I think absolutely right. I Aaron watched
the space for how much more expensive it's going to get?

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Great, cool, Thank you very much. Beg very shortly. It
is nine minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
News Talks their B. It is seven to three.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
So this hour I've ha's been writing up this punishing
diatribe that I'm going to share with you, perhaps because
I've written to myself. It's going to be full of
passion and errors and logic flaws.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Logic potentially logic flaws. It's soul.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
There is no intelligence in AI. The intelligence part is
a marketing term to sell it. It's a way of
tricking investors into pumping in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
It costs to run the scam. It's a tool with
some utility, but it is too error prone to replace
humans in any meaningful way. It is also too expensive
to run the shoddy stuff you are using now as

(01:15:01):
a lost leader. As these companies build up the to
their big IPOs. They are lost leaders in a circle
of investment between the chip maker and the AI companies.
But the key thing to remember is that these companies
have great incentives to pretend these models are more powerful
and closer to intelligence than they are they are. They
will mislead you, and they're willing to do this so

(01:15:24):
to make young people think that they are obsolete and
have no future. Just for their own profit. They win
the arms race with the more cash at the expense
of the morale of civilization. A I wouldn't write a
sentence that bad. But AI isn't intelligent in the human sense.
It's a token prediction machine, an unreliable magic trick that
tricks you like a confidence tricks with speed and confidence.

(01:15:47):
It doesn't understand anything. It doesn't reason from lived experience.
It doesn't process, it possess consciousness, or know or care
whether or not what it's saying is true. But people
say this is just the start. Sure it will have
increased functionality, but like target, you know and you can
see this, like target recondition that we see in the
Ukrainian drone. But lmm's llims are not the way to

(01:16:11):
any kind of general intelligence. That's what you've got to remember.
They predict patterns and data based on statistical relationships. It's
sucked up all our human learnings and it's spewing them
back at us. But now its slop is everywhere, and
it's creating a garbage in, garbage out type situation. AI
isn't creative. It doesn't originate ideas. It predicts what humans

(01:16:32):
might do from what humans have done before. There is
no form of intention, emotion, curiosity, or personal experience. It
recombines and transforms patterns learned from human creative material. So
on boycotting it. If I detect AI, I'm out. I
want to look forward, not back. I want to celebrate
humans creating new things, not a prediction machine spewing the

(01:16:54):
mushed pass back at me with zero responsibility, heart, accountability,
or honesty. AI as a tool, it can get you
through some of the grind. Just don't accept its vacuous
version of art or human communication, and be aware that
the more you use it, the less competent you will become.
But the great news about the lies we've been sold
about AI is that we are a long way from

(01:17:16):
being replaced. Once this bobble pops and sanity returns, we
the people will remain viva humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Take that AI, raw, passionate, full of soul. Maybe some
logical flaws, but well done mate, What a rounds terrible
sense in structure presented by a guy that has an
inability to use the English language. That's a massive middle
fingers of AI though, but it came from the heart.
It certainly did right. Great discussion coming up after three o'clock.

(01:17:48):
We're going to change tach entirely. How many ointments is
too many ointments? We'll tell you for soon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News
Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Be devn t three, Welcome back into the show, Gray
Devia on this Friday afternoon. A reminder in about twenty
five minutes New Zealander of the Week, who will it be?
Looking forward to that? As I said before, the winner
this week could create some kickback. There could be talk

(01:18:25):
of corruption in the New Zealand of the Week judging panel.
It's going to be very controversial. There's going to be
some upset people, but that's the way it rolls. And
also before the end of the show. Really looking forward
to this a discussion with one of the most influential
speakers of modern stoicism, Ryan Holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Yeah, I was so stoked to chat to this guy,
multi multi million selling author. Obstacle is the Way the
Daily Stoic. Yes, is a book that I read daily.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
And that's how it's designed. I bought the leather leather
bound version of them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Beautiful but just one of the biggest proponents of Stoicism
in the world, and he inspired me to write my book,
A Lifeless Punishing, which expouses stoicism and stoicism as based
the teaching that we should focus our energy on what
we can control, our actions, judgments and character, and accept
what we cannot. A stoic believes that that the good

(01:19:17):
life comes from not from wealth or status or comfort,
but from living with wisdom, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Courage, yes, justice. That's a big eet self discipline.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Regardless of circumstances, and he's written some great books. The
Obstacle of the Way has been just when I read
the book, it changed changed my life, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
It's a fantastic chat and that is coming up in
about half an hour's time, but right now, because it
is a Friday. And actually this is a big issue
up and down bathrooms around the country. You have got
a beautiful new bathroom, you've had the reno's done, it's
taken away while, but now the bathroom is done, and
you finally had the first shower in the brand new
spank in bathroom.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
It's almost done, just touch ups. Touchups are being done
right now. But it's an absolutely beautiful bathroom. But as
soon as it was close to being finished, my flatmate, wait, well,
she's more than a flat mate.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
I hope she's listening. It's going to text around and saying,
listen to this trace.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
My lovely partner Tracy started just bringing so many ointments
and little potions and pottles and devices and such into
the bathroom. Lovely big vanity. And above the vanity there's
a mirror cupboard that you can open up. And I've
been allocated this tiny slither down the mirrord cupboard and

(01:20:36):
just a little one of the tiniest part of the
top left drawer, and she is filling all the rest
of it with her ointments, potions.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
And stuff, creams and cleansers and yeah, creams, all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
And to the point where some of it's already on
top of this brand new space, so much space, so
much storage space. There's already needs to be some stuff
out on top of the vanity. And my question for
you eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is do we
modern humans have too many ointments?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Do we need that many?

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Surely in the shower all you need is some soap
and you can do you here with the soap as
well as for in front of the in the vanity,
in front of the mirror, don't all you need is
a bit of beef tallow for the face. Yep, you'll
back on the beef tellow an eraser and you can
use you can use the hand soap to shave with.

(01:21:32):
And that's the end of all you need in the vanity.
That we don't need that many ointments, there's something wrong
with we. We've strayed far from an evolutionary path if
we need that many ointments.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
But see met Heath. This is where I think that
people like yourself and myself and many men around New
Zealand need to take a stand to here because by
the very reason we say we don't need too many things,
that's why you're being allocated that little wedge of of
your brand new spanking cabinet that you spent a lot
of money on. So we as fellers maybe to say, actually,
we need some more serums and ointments and creams and

(01:22:05):
links Africa and all the other potions that I did for.
You do need under a Yeah? You need a roller?
You need a roller? You nell? You do need that?

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
And maybe maybe if you me, you need some tom
Ford vanilla and tobacco fragrance that that's in and maybe
some nail clippers bougie boogie in your house?

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Is it at? But what do you say?

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty And if you're
someone that has a whole lot of these products, I'm
just going to run through a couple right now, all
right and tell me why you need this hydrating cleanser.
I can get it in the name. But then you've
got antioxidant serum. What the hell is antioxidant serum? How
does that even work? I don't need that? Okay? Do
you need a target a targeted moisturizer. Yeah, I've got
beef tallow mate.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
You just rub beef fat on your face and it'll
do everything you need.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
What is the difference between a hydrating cleanser and a
night cream. How are they two different products? I mean
a moisturizer a moisturizer, is it not? What about moisturizer
that has a bit of sunscreen in it? You need
some of that? No, Actually, the sun's good for you.
Vitamin D you don't need. You do not need sunscreen.
I think you need a bit of this. Actually the
skin cell turnover, No, you definitely need skin sel turnover. No,

(01:23:14):
just go into the garage and rub some sandpaper on
your face if you want to turn the skin over. Oh,
eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the number to call?
How many ointments potions creams is too many? And what
is a situation like in your bathroom at home? Tell
us what kind of percentage of the bathroom draws are
you utilizing? Twelve paths?

Speaker 8 (01:23:32):
Three on news talks, it'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
For a good afternoon you It is a quarter past three.
So how many ointments potions creams is too many in
a bathroom? And what's the appropriate ratio in terms of
shelf space between people inside a household? I'd argue fifty
to fifty. But what do you say, Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to go.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Well, the sex is the magic ratio as one to
five one fifth for the man, you got a better
fifth and in terms of a bathroom and wardrobe. Yeah right,
this is a horribly sex's chat says the text that
there is a lot of societal pressure on women to
look good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Men don't have that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
You can scruffy peg and no one will care a
woman that sounds sexius. A woman who doesn't take care
of herself will be shamed. I don't reckon they'll be
shamed by men though? Will they not buy the man
in the house? Because I always say to my partner,
you know you look you look fantastic just as you are.
Can we please leave now? Could you please get in
the car? You look great?

Speaker 9 (01:24:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Can you stop using that's just getting rejuvenation cream and
just get in the car. Get ay, Sharon? How are you?

Speaker 13 (01:24:33):
Oh, I'm going to ask to know you so you
could thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
You're figuring this out.

Speaker 15 (01:24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:24:38):
We are in the very fortunate position of having there's
only the two of us in the house, and we
have two bathrooms, ones's and on sweet ones the main bathroom.
So I've Commond is the main bathroom because it's bigger.
But I put all my lotions, potions, et cetera there,
and so that stucks that problem. And I think the
ratio should be probably about eight to twenty eighty for

(01:25:01):
the ladies twenty for the men.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
If you could just take a rough guess of how
many in total lotions and potions and creams and and
and such that you have in this in the main
bathroom share, and how many drinking there would be?

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Are we talking eighty?

Speaker 24 (01:25:18):
Oh gosh, no, not that I'm not there bad looking?

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Can I ask you a question, Sharon? So this was
some sage advice passed down by my father, and I
don't know if it's true or not, but he said,
Tyler just got to remember in life that when it
comes to shampoos, the square bottles you can use, but
you can never use the round bottles. Is this some
truth in that?

Speaker 19 (01:25:40):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:25:40):
Could well?

Speaker 24 (01:25:41):
But I mean I have my own shampoo, and I've
actually got eleven beauty uh you know, bottles on my
in my bathrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Eleven, yes, eleven different shampoos.

Speaker 24 (01:25:51):
No, eleven different skin treatments.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
All right, okay for the face.

Speaker 24 (01:25:56):
But yeah, I have my own shampoo because my hair
is different to you know, like it's a lot dry
than my husband, so I had to have a shampoo
that is there, so you know, that's what you have
to have sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
I mean, how do you feel if he comes in
and runs out of his own shampoo and then grabs
your shampoo, which would probably be roughly five times the
cost of his shampoo, you know, I mean.

Speaker 24 (01:26:19):
Well probably, Well, you know, I don't mind maybe the once,
but I wouldn't necessarily like them all the time because
you know, yeah, okay, you might pay a lot of
money for shampoo, and sometimes you do, but it lasts
a lot longer as you don't need as much. Yeah yeah,
but brity treatments does lays need beauty treatments? We like

(01:26:42):
using them, we like to look nice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Yeah, fair enough. But also, you know, you are a
sharing person because you're you're having to walk a lot
long quite a long distance, and so the on suite
is right there, but you're walking a long way to
the main bathroom, whereas well, I imagine in my relationship,
i'd be exiled to the main bathroom for anything I
wanted to do other than brushing my teeth.

Speaker 24 (01:27:01):
Ah, no way the main bathroom has got a bar.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
That's ok.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Yeah, this is the better one, thanks to you call Sharon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Yeah, what a great call. Sam. You're in the same
situation as Mett Heath. Yeah, it was mates, So tell.

Speaker 12 (01:27:15):
Us you running it through.

Speaker 11 (01:27:17):
What I've got which sounds similar to you. We've got
the toothbrush and toothpaste. We've got some form of floss,
whether it be on the rear or one of those hexaws.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Oh yeah, I like the hex saws are good.

Speaker 11 (01:27:29):
Maybe a shaving cream, which you don't really need for
because you can warm your face with a hot flannel shave.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Shave after the shower and leave a bit of soap
on your face and you're good to go.

Speaker 11 (01:27:41):
You've got a nail clipper, you've got a parape and
maybe a shampoo.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Yeah, Now you're not running any condition of Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
No, no, yeah, you don't need that stuff. So it's
about sex. It just makes it. It just makes you.

Speaker 6 (01:27:52):
Here.

Speaker 11 (01:27:53):
Buffy, my woman who had considered pretty low maintenance, she
would have kin in the shower t ointments, probably another
fifteen in the mirror cabinet, right, and then probably another
ten on the night stand in the bedroom.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Now, are you using any of her ointments or anything.
Do you ever find yourself sliding over there putting on
some collagen something skin soeur rejuvenation. You've never you've never
tried some of the hand cream, Sam. It's good stuff there.
Sometimes when are you implying?

Speaker 11 (01:28:26):
Tin?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Sam? Can I recommend beef tellow? You and your beef
tellow you started a beef tell business.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Tomorrow and it just get some All you need is
some beef tellow, Just rub some lard on your face
and all sorts.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Of everything spoken like a true dneda knight Sam. Thank
you very much. Mates. In fact, there's a text that's
come through having a crack at both of us, but
more specifically you here. It is so you boys, we're
using words so incorrectly that it was painful. It's nice
that you're trying to use a language, but you clearly
do not speak it. A hydrating cleanser and moisturizer are

(01:29:06):
two completely different products. Please stop trying so hard and
just believe that your wives and girlfriends look gorgeous because
they put an effort rubbing more than just beef tello
into their face. Yeah, but are anyone trying just the
beef Tellow, So I might try and see if put
Tracy on the beef Tellow only regime and see how

(01:29:27):
she goes, because maybe I think everything that's in everything
else is just in the fat off a cow. Why
are you pushing this beef Tello all of a sudden
you if you brought into some sort of beef Tellow company.
There's really suspicious that the last two days.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
No, you remember something like about a year ago I
asked what beef Tello was, and people started sending me
beef Tellow products. So I'm running this beef Tellow and
Manuca situation, and it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Look how good I look. It's a game changer. You
look very good mate, Thanks mate? Right, Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighties a number to call, Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
How much space have you given to your partner to
the garrett is good point?

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Actually? Yeah, yeah, very yeah. She was trying to find
something in the garage there that day. I've got so
many bits of wood and doors was save. Yeah, it's terrible.
What's terrible what I'm doing in the garage right? Coming
up next we'll have a check to Angela and she
wants to talk about a bit of a potion fight pack.
So that is coming up. That's twenty one past three.

Speaker 8 (01:30:23):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Call Oh, eight hundred eighty eighty on news Talk ZEDB
twenty four past three.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
So how many ointments, lotions, potions? Is too many to
have in a bathroom? Or one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call? Get a? Angela?

Speaker 17 (01:30:39):
Oh, hi, piert, I hope you can hear me because
I'm driving. Is it coming through all right?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
We can hear you loud and clear, Angela. Thanks for
your call.

Speaker 17 (01:30:46):
So I chained in and I just heard part of
the conversation about the ratio shared in the bathroom. Who
has how much space at theah? And this is a
common point of contention in our household, where my husband
is always telling me that I've got too much stuff,

(01:31:09):
and yet we share the bathroom cabinet sort of fifty
to fifty, and there is a lot of room in
these cabinets because they're fairly new. But then there's also
a walk in wardrobe, which we also share fifty to fifty,
and mine is literally just bulging at the seams. And
whenever he complains, I remind them about one thing, and
there was a text message that you read out before,

(01:31:31):
is that about two hundred square meters of our house
is basement and garage and it is literally filled with cars,
sports equipment, surfing gear, windsurfing gear, surfboard, wing, boiling gear,
a gym, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
A bathroom, this.

Speaker 17 (01:31:51):
And like, so you know, we might be opening up
can and worms and hopefully there's conversation is not going
to go to sort of sexist because I could imagine
some people saying, well, maybe the kitchen is or yours,
et cetera, et cetera. We're not having any of that.

Speaker 8 (01:32:05):
But I just remind him of that comment.

Speaker 17 (01:32:08):
Yeah, and it kind of just kills the argument.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Yeah, I mean that that that that takes before about
the garage has really shut me up because because that
what I'm doing in the garage is just terrific. I've
got I've got about seven doors in the garage just
leaning against things.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
You've got to have a few doors up your sleep.
You never know, you never know when you need a door.
Everyone knows those doors will never be used for anything. Yeah,
but you're so right, Angela. We never bring the garage
into the discussion because it starts to collapse pretty fast.

Speaker 17 (01:32:38):
That just kind of disappears from the you know, thought
process when you know every day you might see these
covers jam packed with potions and lotions, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
And look, everyone.

Speaker 17 (01:32:51):
Has too many that the answer to that is more
than one is too many. But there's so many different
things that you can.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Have spot on. You ever tried beef tallow angela.

Speaker 17 (01:33:01):
No, I don't don't think I would like that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
You'll give you a discount. Thank you for your insights, Yeah,
to appreciate that. Hey, just quickly, there's been a few
texts having a crack at the word ointment. So k
text through and say, guys, can you please stop saint ointment?
No one's used the word ointment for decades. It's such
a yuck word. And a few in regards to that

(01:33:27):
as well. What's wrong with the word ointment?

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Well, the person's forced you to say about twenty times.
But what is an ointment? Is that like a cream?
I thought it's like a it's like a cren Yeah,
what is annointment? It's a good point. Actually, the sticks
it says if the guy is bald, then it's probably
ninety eight the ladies.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
At the bathroom, Yeah, he doesn't need anything right, great discussion,
Thank you very much. All the best, man Heath, Yeah,
yeah good. You're going to be turfed outside where you shave. Yeah,
just have a week kevin it out there on the driveway.
I really hope Tracy wasn't listening today. Did you just
get a text? No, that's not from Tracy. I'm hoping
she isn't listening listening today. All the very best mate.
She's she's designing our new wardrobes at the moment, so

(01:34:06):
I might get knocked down to two percent. Good luck
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maybe one of those goals was slightly his fault. But
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you're a teenager you were the best player. My mate,
Alex ever faced, you have fifty one caps for the
national side, millions of unearned followers.

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Taylor so good right? Coming up next New York Times
best selling author on modern stoicism, Ryan Holiday is twenty
five to four.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
The Big Stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

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Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
It'd be news talks, it'd be best selling author and
one of the most influential voices of modern stoicism, Ryan
Holiday is coming to New Zealand for a one night
event at Auckland's Bruce Mason arene Or. It's happening on
October the thirteenth and evening with Ryan Holiday. It will
explore how the ancient philosophy can help navigate preciate setbacks
and uncertainty in the modern world. Tickets are on sale

(01:40:19):
now go to ticketmaster, dot co, dot enz it and
Ryan Holiday joins us Now a very good afternoon, Ryan,
Yeah you too.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Now we'll start off with an obvious question, what do
you think Stoicism as a philosophy for life works as
well in the modern world as it did in the
ancient world.

Speaker 16 (01:40:36):
Well, you know, unfortunately, the modern world is not that
different than the ancient world. It's uncertain, it's crazy. Institutions
feel like they're falling apart. You know, you've got pandemics
and plagues, corruption, dysfunction, tyranny, you know, all the things
that we worry about today they're worried about in the
ancient world. Only more so. They're also worried about dying

(01:40:59):
from an infected cut on your finger, right or or
your baby not surviving infancy. And so what they were
talking about in the engine world, how do we deal
with the fact that so much of what happens is
outside of our control. What kind of framework should guide
our behavior? Should should should help us navigate how to
respond to these things outside of our control. That's what

(01:41:21):
philosophy was, or at least Stoicism as a philosophy was
in the ancient world. I think today we tend to
think of philosophy as theoretical and abstract, even impractical. But
you know, for Epictetus, who's a slave in the Roman Empire,
and Mark Surelis, who's the head of that empire, both
are trying to wrestle with the ins and outs, the

(01:41:43):
everyday nens of life and trying to do it well.
And that I think is why Stoicism lands all these
years later.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
Yeah, that's interesting that because there are those are two
heavy white, influential Stoics with very very different paths. You
got Marcus Aurelius and Titus. As you say, Marcus Railius,
Roman emperor, who had all the power in the world,
could have indulge in cruelty, but chose as a lot
of the emperors did, but chose service and justice. I

(01:42:11):
have a vanity and excess. Or you've got Epictasis, who
was at the very other end of Roman society is
to say, a slave, crippled boy's master who became you know,
a powerful from a position of weakness using stolicism.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
So which path is more impressive or admirable in your
your eyes?

Speaker 16 (01:42:30):
Ryan, Well, I think it's interesting to think about which
path was more admirable and Marcus Aurelius's eyes, like, Marcus
realis is the most powerful man in the world. But
the person he's looking up to, the philosopher he quotes
more than any others, the person he's trying to base
his life on, is basically Epictetis. Right, So here you
have the most powerful man in the world looking at

(01:42:52):
this effectively powerless man and going, yeah, but look how
he controls himself. Look at his dignity, look at his
self respect, look at his resilience, look at his optimism
and persevere so like, look at all look And so
for Marcus Aurelius, he sees Epictetus as the more powerful figure.

(01:43:15):
And I think for the Stokes it was it was
this realization. And I'm sure you've had this too with
some of the people you've interviewed on the show. You've
met in your course of your life. Actually being successful,
being famous, being rich, This is pretty common, right, Like
you realize it's actually there's actually a lot of those
people out there. But those who are not slaves to

(01:43:36):
their ambitions or their tempers or their emotions, those that
are good people, those that have some semblance of self awareness,
that's actually a much rarer thing. And so you know,
I think Marcus Aureli is looking up to Epictetus because
it's a sense of just how powerful someone under their
own power truly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
Is, so linking that into ega ron And you've written
an extent suffly about this. Ego is the enemy of
many other books. How do you recognize when ego is
getting in the word? I have good decisions will progress,
particularly in a world that seems to reward self promotion.

Speaker 21 (01:44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:44:13):
Look, I'd love to say that that egotistical people never succeed,
but of course they do, right, Like, look around. Actually, many, many,
if not most, people who are successful are quite egotistical.
But I think anyone that knows them or sees them
up close understands how that ego often makes what they
do harder, gets in the way of what they're trying
to do, or in many cases, it leads to their downfall.

(01:44:36):
Like I've never been dealing with a problem or some situation,
or you know, a team that's not coming together and
thought like bigger egos would solve this. Right, It's always
the opposite, Right, ego is the thing that's getting between
us and what we're trying to accomplish. And so so
you know, I sometimes liken it too. How Look, a
lot of musicians might have a drug problem or a

(01:44:58):
drinking problem that isn't what's fueling the creativity. It's actually
a drag on the creativity. They're just so talented and
inspired or brilliant that they're able to compensate for it
for a time. And so I just tend to be
suspicious when any of that kind of ego creeps in.
I go, this isn't helping me do what I'm trying

(01:45:19):
to do. If anything, it's going to make it harder.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Well, we'll talking about you know, how hard things can be.
It's hard to argue with the logic of stoicism, but
it can be hard to implement it in real life.
For example, to paraphrase, you know a message that I've
read that you've written before. If someone insults you and
what they're saying is not true. You can ignore it

(01:45:46):
because it's nonsense. If it is true, you can thank
them for the knowledge about yourself. But in the day
to day, we still get angry with people when they
insult us. So how do you get that clear stoic
logic working in real time for you?

Speaker 16 (01:46:00):
Actually, what appiced Tita said we should say whenever someone
insults us is if they really knew me, they would
say something much worse that after we got off easy
with whatever they whatever. If they if they could read
our darkest thoughts or see our darkest secrets, they'd have
picked an even juicier target. So look, obviously, that's that's funny.

(01:46:22):
It's easy to say, you know, just shrug the soft
tone ticket personally or or you know, no one can
make you feel inferior without your consent. This is all
well and good. It's just hard to put into practice.
And that is the point. Stoicism is a practice. So
you know, I try to remind myself. For instance, when
I see something nasty about me on the internet, I go,

(01:46:44):
do most people feel this way?

Speaker 19 (01:46:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Right?

Speaker 16 (01:46:47):
Is this is this one person out of one hundred?
Oh that's pretty good. You know, that's not actually a
pretty good ratio, like the idea that I was gonna
reach the audience that I've reached, or that I would
I would put anything out in the world and it
would receive one hundred percent endorsement and approval. It would
be for everyone. I mean, that's just like naive and

(01:47:07):
and and I right entitled, and so I do try
to remind myself that, like, look, nobody, nobody escapes unscathed
like that. A certain amount of people are going to
dislike you, certain amount of people are going to be jerks,
certain amount of people are going to be rude, certain
amount of things are going to be said that you
know it could have been said differently, but they weren't.
And you just try to say to yourself, you sort

(01:47:29):
of pause and you say to yourself, hey, this is
part of the course, this was Why is this surprising
to me? And I do think that takes some of
the sting out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
You know, I've read The Obstacle is the Way a
couple of times, the Daily Stoic. I've been through two
years in a row reading it. Bought the lever bang
bound edition, and when I told my partner I was
interviewing you, she said, you know I'm reading courages calling
again to get it through the day the first day
of her new job. Is that the trick to is

(01:48:01):
to just keep reading and reminding yourself of the lessons
is in an ongoing thing stolicism.

Speaker 16 (01:48:08):
I I like to say that the Stoics aren't something
you've read. It should be something that you are reading, yes,
and so so that's my practice. Like, obviously I'm flattered
in honor to hear that people have read my stuff
multiple times. But all I know is that I myself
am still reading the Stoics on a daily basis, because yeah,

(01:48:28):
it is material that you're designed to engage with over
and over again, that maybe some of it goes over
your head the first couple of times, or you just
it just didn't apply to you in that moment. And
really it is the act of being reminded of the
ideal ideas over and over again that I think helps
get you to a place where when it comes down

(01:48:50):
to applying it, that that thing is right there, the
idea that you're just going to read the thoughts of
some wise person from two thousand years ago and it's
just you're good. I mean that if that was how
it worked, it wouldn't be that impressive to get it right,
because it's it's easy, and it's not easy. It's really, really,
really hard.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
And it's interesting though, because Marcus writes a lot about
how he will be forgotten and that that even though
he's an emperor now you know, to paraphrase him, he's
now have you forgotten? And yet he is now currently
more remembered than then maybe anyone other than Julius Caesar
at the at this this stage.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
So, but he has also the ages.

Speaker 16 (01:49:35):
Yeah, but let's look, look, at one point he was
the most powerful famous person on earth. He was literally
worshiped as a god. He controlled the most powerful army
on the world in the world, had unimaginable wealth, you know,
and now probably your average person, he's that old guy
that dies at the beginning of the movie, right like yeah,

(01:49:55):
you know, like that famous poem like look on my
mighty works in despair like it eventually it all kind
of falls to dustin. Yeah, two thousand years is a
long time, but four thousand years, ten thousand years. Who
remembers these different Egyptian pharaohs, which obviously Marcus Aurelius was
lived a little bit closer to than us. Like, I

(01:50:17):
think his point is not that you'll be utterly forgotten,
but you become this unfamiliar name, You become this statue,
you know, like Mark Surrelis has a large victory column
in Rome. It's this like three hundred foot tall column
detailing his accomplishments in marble, and you go, oh, that's

(01:50:38):
pretty impressive, what a legacy. But sometime five six hundred
years ago, the Christians just put a statue of a
saint on top of it. They were like, well, we
don't really care about any of this, let's make it
a monument to someone else, right, And that happens to
all of us, right. Cemeteries are filled with you know, neglected,
abandoned tombs. Libraries are filled with books people don't check

(01:51:01):
out anymore. The people who were at the top of
the charts ten years ago, how many remember. There's a
funny exercise sometimes we joke about politically in the US.
It's like, who was the vice president for presidents ago
and so here the second most you know, powerful person
in the world. Nobody even knows their name. And so
that does happen to all of us, some of us

(01:51:22):
sooner than others. But in the end, you know it,
we all we all even out, as Mark Strelia says.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Hey us tell us what people should expeak from uh
Ron Holla live at the Bruce masoncy and or in
October the thirteenth.

Speaker 16 (01:51:36):
Yeah, Look, stoicism has obviously survised to us in books,
so we tend to think about it as this written philosophy,
But for thousands of years it was. It was a
thing that people talked about on the Stoepo. Kile Zeno
gathered there and he just talked about these ideas. Epictetus
didn't write anything down. We just have what he's what
he's told to his students written down by one of
those students. So I think sicism is something that's designed

(01:51:57):
to be talked about and talked through. So I'm really
excited to come through. I like to sort of talk
about how we apply these ideas to our lives, how
I try to apply them in my lives my life,
and I think stories ultimately are the best way to
learn and remember the stuff. So I try to tell
stories that that that make these ideas real and practical

(01:52:18):
for people. And uh And I've never been to zew Zealand.
So any excuse I can have to come to a place,
a beautiful place in the world I haven't been. I'm
going to take I'm bringing my family with me, so
we're all we're all very excited and I hope people
come out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Yeah, absolutely, and we're looking forward to having you here. Ryan.

Speaker 18 (01:52:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
And can I just say, such a great joy to
talk to you. And you know, what you do has
made such a difference in my life and the lives
of so many people I know, friends, families, my partner,
my my children, of gifted gifted your books to so
many people. So absolute pleasure to talk to you today.

Speaker 16 (01:52:56):
Thinks Well, my my favorite thing to do when I
travel is find really cool places to swim. So where
should I swim when I'm there?

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Go for a gentle swimming takapoona that that's that's very
close to the boost made across the road.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
You can go for a beautiful swimp pretty much.

Speaker 16 (01:53:11):
All right, I'm pumped.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
All right, we'll see you out in the water. Ryan,
Thank you, thank you very much. That is Ryan Holiday
and evening with Ryan Holiday. It's happening on October the
thirteenth at the Bruce Mason Center one night only, so
get your tickets Ticketmaster, dot co, dot NZ. It's going
to be a brilliant eventual listening to News Talks ed B.
Will be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
everything in between.

Speaker 8 (01:53:36):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
B News Talks it be. It is six to four now.
That chat with Ryan Holiday was just a taste of
a much bigger conversation we had with him. So to
hear the full interview, jump onto the Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams podcast on News Talks EDB. Al right, Heart
Radio or wherever you get your podcast, And in that
full chat, Ryan does break down three simple things anyone
can do to make life a little bit better. And

(01:54:01):
who doesn't need that? Eh? Yeah, that was a great chat.
I really enjoyed that. All right, that's the end of
the show. Thanks so much for listening, and thanks for
all your calls and text.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
Andrew Dickon is in for hither on Drive next and
he's talking to Meredith Kinnett, hit of the school Boards
Association about as idea to bring uniform prices down. But
right now, Tyler Adams. Why am I playing this banger
from nineteen seventy eight from the Doobie Brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
I've got no idea. What is the title of this
absolute banger from the Doobie Brothers. Well, that'll be giving
it away.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
I'm playing it because it's called What A Full Believes,
And a study has found the more people know about
AI and how it works, the less impressed they are
with it and the less likely they are to use it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
So A full believes It's great. See what did it?
They're well done?

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
What a change, very sixty this song and.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
What a chat that was.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
All right, We'll be back live nationwide midday Monday. Have
a great weekend. Good luck to Liam and their high
speed annual precision that is Monaco. Yes, and wherever you are,
whatever you're doing, give a taste KII from us. All right,
you seem basically you go bless.

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