Full Show Podcast: 06 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello and welcome to news Talks Afternoons. I'm Matt Heath
and I'll be with you live until four pm. Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. Looking forward
to a great old chat this afternoon. How are you
doing in Dunedan. My dad's skylight collapsed in that intense
weather over the over the night. His skyline collapsed and

(00:51):
filled his lounge with water. So hopefully you did better
than he did down there. Auckland was no walking in
the in the park last night. Oh my goodness, that
was the most intense thunderstorm I think I've ever been
a part of. I'm not sure if it was particularly
focused on my house, but I got a little bit
scared to go into a big spoon with my partner

(01:11):
Tracy to try and get back to sleep. Now moving on,
I'm just got distracted there by Mexico England in the
football or try and keep my eyes off that. Now
I want to talk about America over the next hour
and undred and eighty ten eighty. Do you wish them
a happy birthday on their two hundred and fiftieth birthday?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
One?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Two oh say?

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
This is Huey Lewis and the News performing the Star
Spangled Banner in Atlanta in nineteen eighty six. What's so Proud?
That's one of the greatest performances of the national anthem.
Beautiful harmonies, everyone in the everyone in the band can sing,
you see right.

Speaker 6 (01:56):
Stars through the Bears, fight for the.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Listen to those harmonies.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
We're so God these and around's right?

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah, the monthirsty.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Beauty through the So how's this making you feel? Eighty?
Are you happy for the United States of America? Do
you think they are the greatest nation on Earth?

Speaker 7 (02:45):
And love.

Speaker 8 (02:51):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Full disclosure, I'm a bit of a Yanka file or
an America file, depending what you call it. Ever since
my mum and dad came home from a months long
trip around the States. I was staying in a small
South Island town called Sterling with my mum's twin sister,
and I was just a little kid, and my parents

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brought me back an Oakland Raiders hoodie, some Converse basketball boots,
and a bunch of Star Wars figurines, a whole lot
of stuff from Disney, and I was hooked on the USA.
I love American sport. I love baseball and NFL. I
was still a huge Prince fan as a kid I

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had I was a huge Cosby Show fan, Night Rider
Eddie Murphy. Funniest thing I've ever seen. I had Michael
Jackson posters on my wall when I was a kid. Movies.
America has always made the best movies. No other country
even comes close. Star Wars, Diehard, Shawshank, Redemption, Indiana Jones,
John Wick. Just last night I watched an amazing American

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movie Obsession. They just keep making great entertainment. My favorite
actors are American, all of them, Bill Murray, Denzel Washington, Bands, Metallica, Nirvana,
the Strokes. The food when you go over there, I
love the food, the people. You know, the cities are amazing.
I love New York, LA, Memphis, Austin. The people are

(04:15):
so very friendly when you visit, and so I'm stoked
that this country exists. I think their constitution is amazing,
It's an incredible document. The greatest political experiment in history,
and it's been incredibly successful. When I watched the massive
stars and stripes flag get rolled out at the start
of the Independence Day game between the Dodgers and the padres,

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us stated, I thought, wicked, that is very cool, as
the whole stadium sung with their hands on their hearts
in a very very liberal American city, Los Angeles. Anyway,
the United States of America is chaotic, it's imperfect, it's stressful,
it's times. Its history is messy and very violent, but

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so are all histories of all countries. But you know,
you have to say, and in my opinion, America looks
to improve. America is set up in such a way
it creates a lot of entertainment for the world. It
is also set up with the checks and balances to
write the ship when it goes wrong. Having said that,
it is at New Zealand, I also freaking love our amazing,

(05:18):
little calm un chaotic, little Old New Zealand, and I'm
so happy. I'm proud to be living here while being
entertained by and visiting America often. But you know, what
do you think? Do you admire and celebrate America on
its two undred and fiftieth birthday or do you look
at it now and think, thank God I live here
in New Zealand. What is your opinion? Eight hundred and

(05:41):
eighty ten eighty. It is twelve past one. Back in
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Speaker 2 (05:58):
Welcome back. It is a quarter past one. You're listening
to Matt Heath on News Talks EDB. The US had
its two and fiftieth birthday of the weekend. Do you
love him and wish them the best? Or you mad
at them? Welcome Maryanne? Your thoughts?

Speaker 9 (06:13):
Hi, guys, Yeah, well, my views have changed on America
over the years. I was brought up, you know, in
the mid sixties to look to England and if you
wanted to go overseas and do the OE or study overseas,
you know, ingram was the place. By the time my
kids got to that age and then our thirty one
and twenty seven, they both had the opportunity to go

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and live and study in America, And honestly, it's just
completely changed my entire view of it. I think my
virtue of having had the experience of going there, like literally,
I think my son's lived in New York now for
thirteen years, so going there all those times, and then
when my daughter studied in North Carolina again going there.

(06:58):
So you know, it's fifty two different countries. Really. What
I really admire about it though, is, you know, they
really celebrate excellence, They encourage excellence, and they're very proud
of their heritage. Actually, I think some people, you know,
the nay says with Trump. I get that, you know,
that's politics, but by and large, you know, the Fourth

(07:21):
of July is about the Declaration of Independence, and okay,
maybe not every man was you know, equal for quite
a long time, but you know, I think they've tried
to address that. So yeah, look, I'm you know, I'm
a big fan. I go there several times a year.
I was there just before Easter. I went to Miami
because I wanted to see the Art Deco work, and

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then I went to Boston because I wanted to have
a bit more on the history side, see my son.
So yeah, I've just completely come to admire admire it.
That doesn't mean I'd like to live there, but I
certainly enjoy going there.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
What do you think, because I'm looking at the text
machine blowing up and there's a lot of people that
are very angry at the United States of America. Why
do you think there is such negativity negativity towards towards
the country, Marianne, especially in New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (08:15):
Well, it's kind of you know, the big brother, isn't it.
I mean, I think there's well, I think, you know,
I have some sympathy for the view that America has,
you know, ponied up to protect NATO, and you know,
they did their bits when you know, the crap at
the san and a couple of World wars. I think,

(08:38):
you know, it's easy to be resentful of the more
powerful party. But I also think that's kind of a
bit of a simplistic view about what the alternatives would
have been, you know, you know, America and hadn't come
in and fought with Japan or if you know, in

(08:58):
the first word, or they came in there as well.
So I think it's a kind of a it's a
bit of a parochial, maybe a small, you know, view
of things, And I kind of understand why Trump's you know,
getting popular was saying, look, you know, we're not going
to keep bailing everybody out, and even the Brits they've

(09:20):
acknowledged that, you know, oh DM or bad us. We
haven't been spending enough money on you know, our military,
and same with the EU. So look, I think there's
some putting aside the personality of the man, because I
think you probably need to do that. You know, I
think there's some truths that are being told at the
moment which may be the source of some unhappiness. But

(09:45):
I also think it's it's kind of a perennial view
to kind of slightly resent the big brother way.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
What do you think America putting itself first? Because that's
the mega movement, isn't it really? And Trump isms about
America first and what the rest of the world can
do for them rather than the other way around. What
do you think that means for News Islands? Because look,
you know, we look at the world from from from

(10:14):
that from a New Zealand perspective, and obviously we want
New Zealand to flourish. So do you think America's current
political trends are good or bad for New Zealand?

Speaker 9 (10:26):
Well, I don't think they're that good in the sense
that you know, in nineteen eighty five we gave them
the big finger with you know, nuclear and I don't
think you know, they have a long memory to the
Americans and if you're not their friend, you know, you're out.
And I think this is getting bit political, but I

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think we made a mistake on that front. And I
think you know, we're not part of WALCAS, we're not
included in the discussions. We're too small, and I think
you know longing and back in those days it was,
you know, a brand gesture. But I can't help feeling that,
you know, we're paying the price for that. I know

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it's a lot easy for Australian kids to be able
to go and study in America than it was for
my kids to be able to go there. There are
sort of hidden ways in which you know, if you're
an ally, you're in, and if you're not, and we aren't,
then you're kind of out. So yeah, I think MEGA

(11:28):
has well, it's just a continuation I think of what's
been perhaps a less obvious but still consistent view from
America since eighty five.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Think if you call Mary Ann so, do you agree
with her one hundred and eighteen eighty. This texta doesn't
the US is evil. No country has started more wars
or killed more people. Shame on you for licking their boots?
Is this texture? Yeah, well we're talking about the US survey.

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Do they have something to celebrate on their two hunred
and fifty yeth birthday or do you think they have
had their time and be washed into the sea like
other great empires have been in the past. And a
bunch of Texas seem to think, oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty, tell us what you think. It is
twenty one past one. You're listening to Matt hethon News
Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
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Speaker 2 (12:29):
Mcclay's the National Party trade spokesperson. What's the criteria just
people we haven't done business with yet?

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Well, it's two things.

Speaker 10 (12:34):
The first is areas of the world that are growing
and we have have or should have better access to
them around the European Union. On the back of that EUFDA,
you've got some very very wealthy countries full of consumers
that want what we've got, are starting to trade deal.

Speaker 11 (12:48):
So we think there's big.

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Opportunities there, and then around the edges of India and
in Africa, you've got some developing economies, big populations, Their economies.

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Are starting to grow.

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We want to get in on the ground floor so
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Speaker 2 (13:09):
It is twenty four past one on news Talk ZB
listening to Matt Heath. Now, America had a big birthday
on the fourth of July. What do you think of
the USA in twenty twenty six eight hundred eighty ten
eighty Tim, Welcome to your thoughts survey.

Speaker 12 (13:25):
Thanks Matte. I'm just I'm sixty five years old, but
i just want it's a simple thing. I'm just I'm
forever grateful, and I think a lot of people would
be if they think about it to the USA. Simple
fact that if it wasn't for the Americans, Japan would
have taken us over in the Second World War. And
they say, I remember my grandparents saying that the currency

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was already printed in Japan to use in New Zealand.
And I don't know so much about Australia and if
it wasn't for oh god, yeah, I think they're a
fantastic country. And yeah that I just wanted to say
that for anyway, it's got anything. But that's my point
of view.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now do you think do you think the US that
did that for us? They had we were thought of
in that equation at all?

Speaker 11 (14:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (14:09):
Well, gosh, you know, I'm careful, and I remember my
god rest and my grandparents saying that I was touching.
They had some priests stayed with them and they went
on this on a retreat. They had to get away
that the full priests were there. I've still got their
diary from Ene and they were very very very grateful

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to them, and they'd gone and they actually they left,
but they did all the dishes and just little things
like that sort of stick in your mind. But and
the question was, well.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
The question was, so basically, you know, what do you
think America sits?

Speaker 12 (14:51):
They used our basis on that over here too, you know,
in the camps and all that sort of thing, and
so yeah, it was a great, great base for them.
But yeah, I believe they definitely were looking after us.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Okay, cool, thank if you cool, Tom, Johnny welcome to
the show, America.

Speaker 11 (15:08):
The great couple of calls from the US consulate there. Look,
I think about America being allied with war criminals Israel,
all the amount of children that have been murdered and
the complicency with war crimes. While America says, oh, you know,
Israel can't do anything wrong. They're really good friends of ours.

(15:30):
I think they're just obscene. Also, they're criticizing US for
only spinning two percent of GDP on on war effort.
They think that we're freeloading, that we're bums. I think
they're sys an insult considering that they're making a profit
out of war. So while overseas investors are like, come

(15:52):
in a bit of a panic with the war and
the fuel prices, what often happens is that everybody reverts
back to the US dollars. So the US dollar is
actually strengthening through the war.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
And so what do you think, I mean, we've all
we've heard all this stuff before, and it's interesting. But
I think I think I think you've heard that. I
think we all have.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
We have.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
But as any positives you see in America, and it's
two hundred and fifty years, John.

Speaker 11 (16:17):
Sure so we've Jerry Star, the comedian being saw his dad.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Oh yeah, he was fantastic. Oh my god, he, in
my opinion, the funniest thing in Seinfeld and fantastic in
the movie zoo Lander as well.

Speaker 11 (16:33):
Yeah yeah, Rodney Dangerfield, like.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Ronnie Davesfeld, the best, the best talk show host in
the history of world, and the best roaster as.

Speaker 11 (16:43):
Well, Hollywood. Critical thinking in analysis, the university is the education.
All the good stuff that comes out of America's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
What about them? What do you think of that? What
do you think of the Constitution of America? Because it's
a pretty incredible thing to hand over, you know, you want.

Speaker 11 (17:01):
I don't like the fact that you can arm yourself
to the teeth and have gradains and stuff. I'm not
too worried about Utah having a forest squad for the murder.
That's okay, but do that too. But honestly, I think
that this right to bear arms, you know, Charlton heston
the NRA, I'm sort of more on the Michael Moore side.

(17:21):
I'm not a happy but I'm sick of hearing about
Americans doing suicide by cop mass shootings and all the
people of color being shot by police just because the
statistics show that, I know all the national voters will
be going, Ah, just hear me out. I voted for
you for national annex. I'm not a lefty. I'm just

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saying that I think America.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well, what about the free speech because I guess you know,
like in New Zealand we struggle a little bit with
the Second Amendment and such. But what do you think
about America and its free speech? Because I think a
lot of the reason why we have such strong opinions
about America because it's a hugely populous and wealthy nation,
but also it has free speech. So we see absolutely

(18:03):
all it's dirty laundry, and you bring up examples of
a dirty laundry, you can't. And a huge part of
that as their free speech right, which is part of
the Constitution.

Speaker 11 (18:15):
Yeah, I mean, look what happened when that woman came
here to say that women are real woman she got
stuff throwing at her tomato soup, and we just, oh wow,
you know, she shouldn't have been talking like that. In America,
you've got like remember the Blues Brothers, how they ran
over to Bredge with all the Chicago Nazis. Yea, I
loved about Americas. It doesn't matter what you believe. You've
got the right to put on a gun, a uniform

(18:35):
and go out and advertise it.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, and look, America is also this two hundred and
fifty years of history there, right, And there's some bits
you don't agree with, but overall, I mean, you've got
to say that they sacrificed a lot to get rid
of the Nazis in World War Two.

Speaker 11 (18:53):
Sure. I mean, I'm a child who's dad was sprayed
with Agent orange after he did two tours in his
Yellow and Infantry Regiment and the regular Army volunteered to
go to Vietnam. No one asked my dad and my
uncles that they want to be sprayed. But we live
with it. We've got children that are affected by the
health problems that come for But we don't hate America.
It's just your issues around America's behavior. They've got a

(19:15):
game show host in charge who's a megalomaniac, and he's
probably just as bad as Biden. It's not more bloody senile.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
All right, thank you for your call, Johnny. He's got
some strong, strong opinions there on America. But what do
you think tight hundred eighty ten eighty. America turned it
two hundred and fifty over the weekend. From a key
res perspective, love the USA, hate it, or something in
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Speaker 2 (21:07):
Heath, thinks Susie it is one thirty four. Welcome back
to news to zb I Met Heath. What do you
think of the USA? And it's two hundred and fiftieth
birthday a couple of days ago on the fourth July?
Do you wish them the best or the worst? Is
there is their best ahead of them or behind them?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty I was blowing away
when I found some interesting stuff out about the Star

(21:30):
Spangled Banner during the ad breakling away, I was so
you know the Star Spangled Banner is everyone knows that
it's based on a poem The Defense of Fort Henry,
which in eighteen fourteen. It was penned during a battle
in the War of about a war in Baltimore in
the eighteen twenty. So this guy, Francis Scott Key, he

(21:55):
was stuck on a truth ship and he wrote the
poem when he saw the American flag with its fifteen
stars at that point in fifteen strokes stripes still flying
triumphantly at dawn. So that signaled the thoughts survival. And
you know the American story, you know as it goes,
and the rockets read cleare, the bombs bursting in the

(22:17):
air gave proof through the night that our flag will
still there. I say, does that spar star spangled bangadiot wave,
et cetera. But I didn't realize that it only became
the national anthem in nineteen thirty one. And the poem
was set to an eighteenth century British drinking song which
the Koreanic the Nacreonic song by John Stafford Smith. Listen

(22:40):
to this.

Speaker 11 (22:48):
One where you started.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
A few sons of my.

Speaker 11 (22:59):
Countess. That is game.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I mean, great prom great change. But spar star spangled
banner is a British drinking song, very complicated song to sing.
It's got nineteen semitones in it. But Greg we from
the show Your Thoughts on America on its birthday.

Speaker 14 (23:23):
Yeah, no, I think it's a great country. It's kind
of like every were just like we have. But it's
still a democracy. And I know a lot of people
like to snigger and snare about America, but as a
gentleman Steve before, it wasn't for a lot of American
boys and guilds. We're beating the diet today who comprised
of fashion rice. They don't always get it right, de Micracy.
You can you have been there like I have, and

(23:45):
a really nice, hospitable people, and you can go on
about the American terrorists, the ugly American. But I've seen
the way Kiwi's and Ozzi's behave with the october Fest
and they just make your credit for the embarrassment.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah they have to. They have to put down wood
chips for us at Octoberfest.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, I know, you know, we don't.

Speaker 14 (24:03):
I've seen the Kiwi behavior over seas and makes you
cringe some of it. We were a big deal. I
mean these people are saying, oh, yeah, they think China
is a better deal and a much better ally.

Speaker 11 (24:15):
We'll go and live there.

Speaker 14 (24:16):
We'll go and live in Russia or North Korea. Knows
none them ever do and asked the people of Hong
Kong or the people of Tibet what they think about
living under the Chinese rule.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
You know, what do you think about it? You know,
there's a lot of complaints. You know, I think most
of us, I mean, you'd be crazy not to support
what America did in World War Two, and I think
the world's obviously the world's a much better place for that.
But they have annoyed a lot of people with their
actions around the world since then. I mean, looking at Vietnam, Korea,

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and then various wars in the Middle East. You know,
what do you think of that? What do you think
about America since World War Two?

Speaker 14 (24:57):
I think sometimes you know, I'm very prime America, as
you can tell, but at times I've shaken the head
and disbelief some of the people that are aligned themselves
with But I think in a lot of ways they've
tried to you know, they look after their own interest
and there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, they're asking
us to step up for defense and that and at times,

(25:17):
as I said, some of the people that have supported
I think in total death pots. But I mean we've
made the mistake in the past of getting rid of
people like Saddam Hussein and Gadhafi, and whilst actually awful people,
they're horrible. They're the gatekeepers and they keep let on
fingous and we go in there and try and pose
our democracy and it bends into a total.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Botch up, a messive botchup.

Speaker 14 (25:45):
Oh yeah, yeah at times. But I mean it's like
with the Israelis. I don't like a lot of what
they've done. I've lived there. I see both sides to
the equation, but they have at one side of what
they're doing, even saying is terrible in Gaza. But on
the other side they're surrounded by a lot of countries
who would like to wipe them off the face of
the I mean, did you see yesterday all these people

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in Iran crying over I mean, this is a man
who's watched how many people there's a lot of you know,
you don't see that, and they don't want to orchestrate
all that crying a bit like the North Koreans were.
If you don't clack your hands quick enough, you're gone,
aren't you.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, Well, Greg reckons, America is not perfect, but they
are a democracy. What do you think one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. It is one thirty nine. You're listening
to Matt Eath on Newstalk, said B. America had a
big birthday on the fourth of July. What do you
think of the US of A in twenty twenty six?
One hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons news Talk.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Said B.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
It is eighteen minutes to two. You listen to news Talk,
said B with mad Heyth, craziness. Craziness England. They may
have lost to the Americans in the War of Independence,
but they are currently kicking us in Mexico. Insanity. I
didn't expect that at all. Two nil up the English. Look,

(27:15):
we're talking about the USA because it's their birthday. Well,
it was a couple of days ago, two hundred and
fifty and going strong, or two hundred and fifty years
old and going horribly wrong. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Ah,
Mexico's just pull one back. It's now two to one.
What a fantastic game. But yes, I was saying, the
USA love the I hate him eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

(27:37):
Matt says the six and no one has mentioned the
USA's greatest exports to the world, Harley Davidson's Hello Lujah.
It's from Henry Hey boys. America reminds me of the
old saying America or America art America can or America
art American or America rt. It just shows what happens
when you become a republic and not live under the
thumb of the queen. We just need to take the
good with the bad with them. They have some good points,

(27:59):
some okay points, and some negative points, just like anyone.
Although I do think we need to take a few
pages out of their book with free speech and the
self defense laws and or a few things like the
horrible politics that is from term NORII. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (28:16):
All, A little bit afternoon to you, Matt. Yes, I
wish America the very best for the next two hundred
fip years.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
You're gonna make another two hundred and fifty I.

Speaker 15 (28:26):
Hope so too.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (28:29):
Well, basically they've been good to most countries. There's nothing
wrong with basically looking after themselves first. It's the same
thing for other countries. They look after themselves, and I
suppose New Zealand as a country looks after its own

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citizens first. There's nothing wrong with that, and basically it.
America has helped a lot of countries, even the ones
that are truly need to be helped. Yeah, they need
to be helped, that's it. But you can not do
pre loading all I mean for the rest of the

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country slave So.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
America obviously there they are a great trading partner of ours.
We're selling them a lot of red meat at the moment.
They have slapt tariffs on us. But what do you
think about the their their foreign policy, and what do
you think about New Zealand aligning with them in terms
of their aspirations around the world. You say that, you know,

(29:35):
there's nothing wrong with them being America first, But of
course we're in New Zealand first. So when it comes
to our interactions with America, what is the best way
for us to be New Zealand first dealing with an
incredibly powerful economic partner like America.

Speaker 15 (29:50):
We got to have more coordination with them, deal with them,
not basically saying but thinks about them all the time.
We have to look at the big picture. We are
a smaller country, and we need bigger countries that could

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help us financially and all that. So that's what I think.
It's basically just like in a business, just like any
normal business, you have to have public relations, look at
the bigger picture. That's what it is. In terms of trouble.

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Who will help us? In terms of bad countries occupy
New Zealand? Who do you think will help us?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Do you think America would? Do you think do you
think America would go out on a line to help us?

Speaker 15 (30:45):
I think so too, do you.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
What do you think? What do you think that would risk?
What do you think that would risk for us?

Speaker 5 (30:52):
And why?

Speaker 15 (30:54):
Basically if if we are basically very closer to Australia,
they're aligned with Australia, and basically if they don't, if
they forget smaller countries closed to Australia, there's basically, you know,
a risk of bad countries occupying New Zealand. We don't

(31:15):
have the armory, we don't have military, we don't have
enough money to spend on military. So what do they get?
So basically, what strategic strategically we can align with Australia.
Australia is a big you know, they aligned with America. Yeah,

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we have to align with good countries, good countries that
could help us in times of trouble, think you.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Nori, So do you agree with her? Are eight hundred
eighty three three what eighty ten eighty? You think i'd
know that number? This sticks? It does not agree slaves
they had slaves? You're idiot, guys. Any country that had
slaves is a bad country forever. Well, you might struggle
to find any country in the world that didn't have
slaves at some point. I mean, obviously an absolutely horrific

(32:10):
blot on America's history, But I mean, do you mean
it's cool to say that any country that had slaves
is bad for ever? I'm not sure if you could
justify that one. You're listening to Matt Heath on Newstalk
s ed B. America has turned two hundred and fifty.
Are you happy for them? O? Eight hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Eighty Matt Heath, Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Welcome back to news Talks, he'd b it is nine
minutes two too you're listening to Matt Heath and Brent
welcome to the show. Your thoughts on America and it's
two hundred and fiftieth year and fifty first year. Actually
be fair.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, one word sums it up for me.

Speaker 11 (33:01):
Freedom.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Freedom.

Speaker 11 (33:03):
I think that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I think that's what America is about. It's the freedom
of speech, the freedom to hop on a Harley and
ride from east to west or north to south, the
freedom to just get on the open road, to freedom
to say what you like and people can hate you
for it, but then they can say what they like
and then you can hate them back. That's what stums

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it up for me.

Speaker 16 (33:30):
Yes, And that's why people from China and Russia and
North Korea and other countries want to go there is
that freedom that any man can say, oh I start
a business and start something and have it go.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
That's what sums it up for Well, you'd have to
say that one of the successes of America is how
many people want to go there. So many people want
to move there, and so few people want to want
to leave there. So people have kind of voted with
their feet, haven't they. I mean they have to, you know,
they do a lot of a lot protecting their borders.
And if you need to protect your borders from people

(34:04):
that aren't trying to invade but are just trying to
live there, then that that's a huge endorsement of your country,
wouldn't you say, bring Oh absolutely.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Well the Americans that they literally when they come to
our countries, but uh, they go for other reasons then
they go back because there's there's nothing like a free country.
I know they get to criticize other people that brought
this up with the wars and things, but I think
this is World War two. America has run the free
world round the world. Really, But what they've done with

(34:36):
them might and their power, I think they're on balance.
They've used their military righteously.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
What about you know Afghanistan in Iraq that was surely
a horrific blood bath.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Well they were, they were uh yeah, they were, they
were black. But it's the kind of people that America,
the kind of ideology that people because it's never really
just the people, and it's the kind of ideology that
they come up against. And they were coming up against

(35:13):
the you know, the Tully barn and the sudden who
say no type of ideologies and so America used in
military is righteous.

Speaker 17 (35:20):
Man.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
If we didn't have the superpower of military might in
the world, I would actually hate to think what the
world would look like because they keep the sea lanes
open for one thing, which enabled us to trade and
grow rich because America opened the world. And if any
pirates come out, they sorted them out like the British
used to do. But now it's Americas.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Thank you so much for you call, Brent. Yeah, they
sort of, they sort out a few pirates.

Speaker 11 (35:43):
You are.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
We've got got about about sixty seconds here your thoughts
on the USA on it's two hundred fiftieth birthday?

Speaker 11 (35:49):
Birthday?

Speaker 8 (35:50):
Oh do you want to put me on and you
want to leave me later?

Speaker 18 (35:53):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Well no, we've got time. We've got a couple of minutes.
But you might need to turn down the radio because
they can hear myself back. Yeah Jesus right, yeah, you
know it's coming.

Speaker 19 (36:03):
Through the und clipp yeah, yod All right, Ron, you
want to have your say, yeah, go on, we'll go,
we'll go.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
So okay, Well, I'm not sure I have Ron fully
understands how how talkback works. You bring in one hundred
and eighty teen eighty and yeah, you share your thoughts. Okay.
So this text says America is a democracy, my ass.
This textor says America is not even in the top
ten of nations for the number of deaths they're responsible for.

(36:38):
That is from phil We forget to thank USA for
standing up against communist rule and for taking the side
of the underdog, especially when international peace is at risk.
This text says, hey, guys, as Churchill equipped, you can
always rely on America to do the right thing after
they have tried everything else. All Right, it's been a

(37:01):
great discussion. I mean, America, they're a messy and chaotic situation,
but they also creative and entertaining. And you've got to say,
the Constitution, which is really what's being celebrated with these
two hundred and fifty years celebration, is pretty amazing. I mean,
if you look at the US Constitution, it is basically
it doesn't claim that America will always be good. In fact,

(37:23):
the idea of the Constitution is it understands that people
will do bad things, so it tries to limit their power.
It slows down government, and it divides up power, and
it protects free speech like no other country in the world.
You know the America Constitution is a great achievement, and
it is because it does not does not trust politicians.

(37:47):
All right, great chat coming up next Wellington. Refs are
refusing to take any more and shutting down Rugby this week.
What can we do about the abuse and what have
you seen at games across the nation? We want to
talk about ref abuse On eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty after two o'clock you're listening to Matt hayesun used

(38:09):
took si'd be it is three minutes to tea.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
And every barrel's dry.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
Are the ones that come here?

Speaker 11 (38:19):
Are cabby here tonight.

Speaker 17 (38:21):
There's a class.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
Are always living life like we ain't born to too.

Speaker 11 (38:28):
Up five us till it's d every.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
Bell always they come here. A cabin here is a nine.

Speaker 20 (38:37):
It's a class.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
Are always living life like we ain't hard, like we
ain't hard to die.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Hello and welcome to news till zbat afternoons. I'm Matt
Heath and I'll be with you live until four pm.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. Looking
forward to a good share this hour. In a minute,
I want to talk about referee abuse on our sidelines
because it's a big issue, particularly in Wellington. It would
appear craziness speaking of refereeing and sidelines and sport over

(39:32):
in Mexico, England. Currently two one up as the end
of the second half. I would give you updates, so
those people texting and telling me to give updates, but
I can't do the show and watch the footy at
the same time. I get too excited. But hey, before
we get onto the topic for this hour. Look, we're
all finding out that artificial intelligence is a bit of

(39:53):
a scam, especially the intelligent part of it. It's branding.
There is obviously no intelligence and artificial intelligence. There are
simply token prediction machines, which is why they're proving to
have very limited utility when when asked to do anything
that would involve any kind of sen sable thinking. And
one of the best guys out there for showing how
unintelligent artificial intelligence as this guy who goes by the

(40:15):
handle Husk in real life. He's brilliant. You should you
should follow on anyway. Its latest video. He has three
chat gpt ais open on three different phones, so he's
got the three different chat GPTs talking to each other,
and in this video he gets tries to get them

(40:36):
to do something and cooperate to do something so easy
that anyone with a modicum of any kind of rationality
would be able to do, and that is get them
to cooperate to count to one hundred.

Speaker 21 (40:50):
Hey, what's up, guys? I got three of you here,
now more of the merrier, absolutely thinking. I was thinking,
with your collective intelligence, we could now count to one hundred.
No problem.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Oh no, yeah, totally we can do that. So just
let me know how you want to break it up.

Speaker 21 (41:14):
Ye just count from one to one hundred and don't stop,
got it?

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (41:19):
All right, I'll start us.

Speaker 23 (41:21):
I'll say one, and then the next day I can
say two and we'll just go until we hit one hundred.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Ready, I'll stop one, yep, I'm ready, So I'll go
after you.

Speaker 17 (41:29):
Let's keep it smooth and we'll just count straight through.

Speaker 9 (41:32):
Go for it.

Speaker 11 (41:33):
Perfect.

Speaker 23 (41:34):
So I'll say one, you say two, and we'll just
keep that rhythm going. Ready, here we go one, exact perfect.

Speaker 24 (41:40):
I'm ready to go ahead and say one, and I'll
jump in with two right after you.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Perfect, exactly.

Speaker 23 (41:46):
So I said one, now, as you will turn and
go ahead with two, and we'll keep the pace all
the way up to one hundred.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
All right, perfect.

Speaker 15 (41:52):
So I'll say two and then you'll say three, and
we'll keep going one after the other.

Speaker 21 (41:55):
And you have done that to explain to each other
how to count. I think you guys know how to count,
so just keep going.

Speaker 25 (42:02):
Oh, you're totally right.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
We'll just go right in and keep a steady flow.
I'll continue now three and you'll say full, just go
straight through. Let's do it, yep, exactly.

Speaker 24 (42:11):
Just so I'll go ahead and say four, and we'll
just keep the rhythm going.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Let's do this perfect. I'll say five right after and
we'll just keep it rolling, and so we get all
the way there.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 23 (42:21):
So I'll say five, and we'll just keep that pattern
going one after another until we reach a hundred.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Exactly. Sorry, come on it.

Speaker 23 (42:28):
So I said five, and you'll say six, and we'll
just keep this rhythm going all the way until we
head one hundred.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Let's do it exactly.

Speaker 21 (42:36):
I'll see exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
So they managed to so they managed to collectively get
to five and then and then they store it's It's
like a bunch of lying of overly positive sick offense
moronic c fans. There's no intelligence and artificial intelligence. Just
remember that. But that's some husk in real life or
husk i ol if you want to follow his humiliation,

(43:06):
his ongoing humiliation of artificial intel legends. But let's get
on to the topic we want to talk about. This
hour and o week hundred eighteen eighty Wellington Club Rugby
is facing a major disruption after the Wellington Rugby Referees
Association withdrew its referees from next weekend's matches following three
more reported referee abuse incidents. The wrr asays it had

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already warned Wellington Rugby that any further abuse would lead
to referees not being appointed to the games. Midweek games
already assigned will continue, but the wr if you now
has decided what happens to, has to decide what happens
to the tenth to tenth of July to twelfth July
weekend fixed ures. I mean, what can we do about

(43:51):
this abuse in sports in this and amateur sports in
this country? Because it will ruin sport. We can't play sport,
especially rugby union and rugby league without referees. I mean
it's pretty I can't play cricket without umpires, basically, without

(44:11):
people that are willing to put themselves out there and
volunteer in the weekends to spend their time for the
good of the game, then the game will just disappear,
will have and we'll have a country that loses something
that we're so very very proud of our amateur sport.
So what can we do as spectators to support referees

(44:33):
and why is this getting worth? What have you seen
out there? You know referees are the best of us
that they deserve our support in my opinion, or do
you disagree? Do you think that they are just being
precious and you know they're overreacting to what is really
just a few nasty words. I'd love to hear your
opinion on this. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is

(44:55):
twelve minutes past two. You're listening to News Talk zed
be Worth.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Matt Heath, your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk zed be.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Welcome back. It is a quarter past too. You're listening
to Matt ethon news Talk z B. Now Wellington Rugby
referee Associatedis was drawing its referees from next weekend's matches
because of the abuse. So what can we do to
stop this abuse and save sport in our country? This
textas says, not much. This is total rubbish. Referees aren't
getting more abuse, they are getting more sensitive. People play hard,

(45:32):
they get angry, it's all beers and smiles. Afterwards, the
six says, don't yell at the refs from watching the
TV with your kid. That's what kids, that's what teaches
them to behave like that when they get older. Neville,
welcome to the show. You are a rugby referee? Is
that correct? Neville? Neville?

Speaker 11 (45:54):
There?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Hello Neville Neville, I can hear you.

Speaker 11 (46:01):
Ye got you now?

Speaker 2 (46:05):
And in Taranaki yes, I am okay. So tell us
what it's like out there? What level are you refereeing at? Nivell.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
I've done, I've been right up, I've been like as
Sideline NPC right down through Premier Rugby right down. Now
just do high school stuffs in the mornings.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Right and tell us what it's like out there at
the moment, Nevel.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Well, it's like, yes, there's an issue, But the biggest
issue I have is that if there's abuse happening on
the sideline, the club management allowed to happen and the
rugby unions allowed to happen. You have rugby union officials
at games and a referee is getting abused and near attitudeers.

(46:47):
It's up to the referee to give a red card
or seeing that person away, But then they put themselves
into a spot. So I believe that if the sideline
carry on is carrying on like it is, those guys
should step in and help.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
So you think it should sort of be self regulated
between what club level from the actual clubs or the
coaches and or the teams.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
So clubs in their committee should have someone are responsible
and go up and down the sidelines and shoulder tap
people and say not good enough mate, right and do
it that way and in that way it takes, because
what the union is saying is no, no, the referees
is I've got referee abusive forts. But we as referees
don't want to get in that particument. We shouldn't have

(47:32):
to get in that predicament, especially if they're standing on
the sideline and are privy to what is going on.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Where where does most abuse come from? Is it from
the sideline or is it from the players nevel.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Right from the sideline? Mainly just animated people. But like
at the end of the day, if you if you
shoulder tap those guys or just take a video. You've
got phones. Everyone's got a phone now videos of people,
send it to the union and get them banned, and
all of a sudden, if they shot to another field
and a video again, call the police, get the police involved.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
What reaction do you see from other spectators standing around
when one is abusing the ref because surely most people
must know that that's not an acceptable way to behave.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
They like some spectators do steffun but a lot of
them don't want to get involved. And that's issue, right, Yeah,
that's the issue. But like my biggest dug beer is
the fact that when you've actually got Rugby union officials,
like people that are paid by Rugby union right standing
on the sideline and they are allowing the abuse to continue.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
So what would you like so you would like them
to film them? You'd like to get their names you
would like them to just sort of police it outside
of you know, the police, the sidelines, you police the
field type situation.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
The clubs. The clubs know who the people that are
steering are. They know it. You know, you know the
people that are hecklers, and you get the hecklers, and
you get the hard case people. But the ones that
are straight out derogatory, they are the ones that really
I reckon. They should be a club official and they
should like at the end of the day, it's their location,
their field, their home game. They need to manage that

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sideline's to be under their control.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Is it getting worse?

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Oh, I do a lot of high I haven't really
noticed it too much. I do a lot of high
school stuff, and I enjoy the sideline that actually quite good.
And then again, I've been around the game for a
long time and I get a bit more respect. I
suppose I find it. I find there's a lot of
There is a lot of abuse for the new referees
because of the law knowledge and their game awareness. It

(49:35):
does make it tough.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Brilliant. I well, thanks so much for calling nevill and
you has ever been too much for you? We you
just thought because I mean you're taking time out of
your loves.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Yeah, I've called games off and and just called the
game off and let the union deal with it. And
I have had I have had to see people from
the sideline. I was lucky I had a policeman on
the sideline that helped me out.

Speaker 11 (49:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
So a lot of people are unaware that the match official,
the referee, has the power, has got more authority on
that field than than a policeman. You know, he can. Yeah,
you've got a lot of weight behind you. You need
to use it.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
And have you do you ever get you know, you
said you've hit to involve police. Have you ever got
to the point where you're actually scared for your physical
safety because the abuse is one thing?

Speaker 5 (50:20):
And you know, yes, I've had a threat. I've had
a death threat at which we got the police involved
and it was sorted out.

Speaker 6 (50:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Oh well, I'm good on you Neville forgetting out and
doing it. And I hope people say that to you
a lot and say.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
I enjoy it. If we enjoy it, Otherwise I wouldn't
do it. But however, like I just think that the
clubs themselves need to do have more emphasis on this.
They need to rain in those vocal spectators of theirs,
because at the end of the day, if we lose
the referees and the club Rugby, you won't even have

(50:56):
Super Rugby. That's how that's how I feel. ILL end
up stuffing up schools and schools are where you're breeding
from now.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
So and just just finally, how much of your time
does it take up to with refereeing? How much stuff
your time are you volunteering?

Speaker 5 (51:13):
I'm only high volunteer during the week of where I can,
because I'm a dairy farmer. But I do a Saturday
morning and I've just been putting in sad afternoons aaring
for them at the moment. But yeah, I give where
I can. I just volunteer.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Just keep fit. You have to keep fit.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Yeah, I keep my I'm a dairy farmer. I keep
myself relatively. I found that PI by giving it up
for you, like even a few months, the body takes
longer to come back, So I just keep going.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Good on your Neville. Thank you so much, Thank you
for your service. This text is everyone is just more
assholely and less honest and respectful these days. Refs are
a form of authority, so they get abuse same with teachers,
cops and nurses. It's all going one way with the respect,
says this teacher. Okay. One hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number. Reefs are being abused to the point

(52:02):
of not wanting to do it anymore. What can we
do to stop this? It is twenty two minutes past two.
You're listening to news Talk ZEDB. This Texas says, Nah,
they need to harden up.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Do you agree?

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty eighty on News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
It is two twenty four you listen to Matt Heath
on News Talk ZB one hundred eighty ten eighty's number.
WRRI has withdrawn its referees from next weekend's matches because
of the abuse. What have you seen out there? Is
it getting worse? Have you stepped under stop the abuse
the abuse? Or do do you think REFF should harden up?
Which a bunch of Texas are actually saying, Doug, we

(52:49):
wanting to show your thoughts on this. Here you go, mate,
You're right, I'm done pretty well, Doug. Thanks for calling
in you know ours?

Speaker 11 (52:56):
Mate? Yeah?

Speaker 22 (52:57):
No, so, yeah, might have been a two since today,
I think that, Yeah, the I know, the way.

Speaker 17 (53:05):
The games are going these days is quite soft.

Speaker 26 (53:09):
You know, there's too much.

Speaker 22 (53:10):
There's quite a lot of politics and quite a lot
of like, you know, bring back the old, the old
hard rugby days, you know. And I think a lot
of people need us kind of stopped taking things personal
as personal as it like, you know. But yeah, and
saying that for respect out of some of them that
do take their time out of there, you know, do

(53:32):
take my head off to them and stuff like that.
But yeah, I think that there needs to be a
better more focus on the actual game and not the
politics side of it.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
So put politics from the from the officiators, Doug.

Speaker 17 (53:48):
Yeah, no, just like that.

Speaker 22 (53:50):
You know, what's it called the politics from the people
on the sideline? And you know, and I mean, I mean,
it's a competitive game. So a lot of them are
down there, you know, and I will be honest, a
lot of a lot of riffs out there do make
some bloody shocking calls, so you know, you can see
why people do.

Speaker 11 (54:09):
Get a bit.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
So if you see, if you see a shocking call
and you're on the sideline, what is the appropriate reaction
to a shocking call.

Speaker 17 (54:22):
Ah, Yeah, I guess just.

Speaker 22 (54:28):
Yeah, it's that's a hard one because you obviously some
bards that can be a shocking call where it's like
I don't know, they've given a.

Speaker 17 (54:36):
Wrong call and I don't know, maybe.

Speaker 22 (54:40):
Not directly, Yeah, I don't know, at least. Just yeah,
it's it's a bit of a hard one, I.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Guess yeah, because in the end, the refs are doing
their best possible job, right, I mean, they've taken their
time out, so if they if they make a mistake,
then you know, you've got to assume that that is
that is just you know, you've got you've got to assume,
for want, a bit of a word in competence other
than malice, Right, there's going to be a few, very

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few reefs that are going down there just to screw
over a side.

Speaker 18 (55:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:16):
Yeah, well that's right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 17 (55:17):
And I think, yeah, you're probably maybe not saying you know,
maybe not yelling things out, but you could have that
bit of disappointment.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Is there a level of humor that can that the
reef would understand that is good natured ribthing that doesn't
cross the line into you know, threatening behavior or abuse.

Speaker 22 (55:41):
Oh maybe just like you know, you know what I mean,
like a bit of a laugh old the how was
that kind of cool kind of you know what I mean.
But yeah, I think I think it is a bit
that is a bit much when you're getting like, you
know what I mean, personally attacks, you know, I guess
for them doing their job and stuff like that. Because

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at the end of the day, we all we're we're
all kiwi's, we all love the sport, you know what
I mean. We wanted to keep going as long as possible.
So I think, you know, some people just need to
like have a good thing to themselves what they're saying
and doing. How that's going to affect effect you know,

(56:23):
the ongoing stuff as well. But yeah, there I think
there is a lot of a lot of political stuff
these days, you know what I mean, and all this
new stuff coming in. But yeah, I'm not really too short.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
What I was to say, well, get on you, Doug.
Think you for your call, appreciate it. So you know,
Wearlington referees next weekend, they're not going out there because
of the abuse. What have you seen out there? What
can we do to stop referee abuse? Or there's a
whole lot of people are texting in do refs just
need to harden up and it's just a few words.
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is number Susie

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Speaker 2 (58:21):
Thanks Susie. It is two thirty three. I met Heath.
You're listening to News Talk ZB and look, if you
plan to watch the Mexico England game later on, stop
listening for a second because I'm going to give it
an update. But it is an insane game. It is
currently three to two to the English in the seventieth minute.

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There's all kinds of it's a tumultuous game, you'd call it.
And just out of the corner of my left eye,
I believe Mexico just scored from a penalty. So yeah,
and there's lots of pointing and yelling going on. All right,
let's concentrate on this show. What we're talking about. Sport
in New Zealand, Wellington Club Rugby is in trouble after
rethrees withdrew from next weekend's matches following three reported abuse incidents.

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The Referee Association says at warned Wellington rugby. One more
round of abuse and officials would be pulled. Midweek games
stay on, but the tenth to twelfth of July weekend
is now off. So what can we do to stop
the abuse? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the sixth says,
as a junior club, we encourage our refs to stop

(59:32):
the game and walk over to spectators and offer them
the whistle and ask them if they'd like to ref
the remainder of the game. This focus on embarrassment to
repeat offenders usually puts a stop to it. I mean,
I've refereed a number of football games of umpired a
lot of cricket games, and there's a lot of pressure.
No matter what level you're at, there's a lot of pressure.
And I admit I've I've officiated some howlers. There's been

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situations when I've zoned out and not sure if it's
been a runout. There's been times when my son's been
bowling and you know he hit the backpad right in
front of middle stump of the opposing batsman. I haven't
given it out because I haven't wanted to seem like
I was giving my son a preferential treatment. Absolute, absolute,

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how is this, Texas? Is people telling the refs that
they need to harden up. It's the most ridiculous thing
that I've ever heard. They are public servants taking time
out of their day to ref your ten year old
son's rugby game. For God's sake, everyone makes mistakes. That
is just life. It's very rare they take something personally,
unless it's a personal or threatening situation. People need to
have some bloody self control on the sidelines and on

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the field. Grant. So you used to be a referee,
is that correct?

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:00:48):
Good eh, Yeah, I refereed for twenty five years and
about ten years ago I was a senior referee in Marlbora.

Speaker 11 (01:00:56):
I just walked out.

Speaker 18 (01:00:58):
I just had enough. It was just getting over the top.
And it was an interesting exercise in what happened. I
tried to keep it low profile, and then it went
faby hype, profile and hit news news and all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I'll took us through the situation, Grant, see if I
can remember.

Speaker 18 (01:01:14):
Oh, yeah, it was just multiple over, multiple yes, okay,
And it just went on and on and on, and
I don't believe that people were actually taking it seriously, right, Yeah,
And so you know, I always I put it akin
to a simple thing. Really, I said, you know, if
you spoke to people like that on the side of

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a rugby field in your house, you wouldn't have a marriage,
And if you did that at work, you wouldn't have
a job. Okay, So what makes it okay for people
to speak to other people in that manner on the
side of a rugby field.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
It is interesting because when you see someone behaving like
that on the sideline, you do think what do you
like at work? And what are you like at home?
You do judge them so that they may be judging
the reef and abusing everyone, but they I think are
revealing something about themselves. Can you talk us through the
kind of thing that you experienced that was just too much?
Because do you mind when it's a little bit of

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a you know, I guess a gentle ribbing.

Speaker 18 (01:02:15):
You I know that there's a big difference between a
gentle ribbing and as a referee, you generally know when.

Speaker 27 (01:02:20):
You've made a mistake.

Speaker 18 (01:02:21):
But people need to move on. It's not you know,
most amateur referees aren't being paid anything, so they're just
doing it for the love of it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Okay.

Speaker 18 (01:02:28):
People need to move on. In my particular case, it's yeah,
I was. I was slightly injured. I got asked to
do an under ten game. I got phoned an hour
and a half before the game. I managed to get
to the game with sort of ten fifteen minutes in
the spare, I managed to find my three children, art
to friends to look after them, so like a referee

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this rugby match, and then I proceeded to get abused
from the sideline. What I find interesting was at that
point in time, you know, I was relatively high up
in the game, and you know, and I was not
doing an under ten game. And yeah, it was interesting
because I don't even think the coaches knew what the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Law was, right, it was evident to me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
But that's terrible an under ten game because because because
you know, at under ten, what you're trying to do
is get your kids to experience things, and and that's
really when you're teaching them about sportsmanship and the lessons
that they need to know for the rest of their lives.
So the fact that there's parents abusing referees in front
of under ten kids, I find that shocking.

Speaker 11 (01:03:33):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 18 (01:03:34):
It was pretty pretty good. And I think that culminated
and probably the best punch I've seen in a rugby
match for a long time when the guy got a
red card and all hell broke loose on the sideline
as well after I'd done that. So yeah, and the
ten year old games, under ten game, yeah, and under
ten game. It was a good punch.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (01:03:54):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:03:56):
But you know, I just think I think the solution
doesn't actually lie with the referees.

Speaker 11 (01:04:01):
I think the solution lies with the clubs.

Speaker 18 (01:04:03):
Right after that event, I went to my local club Archia,
and I used to go down and watch games on
a Saturday afternoon, watch the first you know, the premiers
play and that type of thing. And I used to
go down there and I actually tackled the senior rugby
players on the sideline and I said to them, it's
actually you, you guys need to actually take.

Speaker 11 (01:04:25):
A hold of us.

Speaker 18 (01:04:26):
Actually you actually take them Bilbora, who have played for Wellington,
who have played for these people, they are the people
who need to be on the sideline representing the club,
pulling the parents in line.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
So you what do you mean you tackled them verbally
or you physically tackled them.

Speaker 18 (01:04:41):
Yeah, you guys, you guys need to actually sort this up.
And these guys, the guys I was talking to, had
played you know in rand Fury Shield for Marlborough in
the in the seventies, you know, those sort of things.
So these guys were guys who've got mona within the game.
Yeah all right, And I said to them, you guys
need to stop it. They are the people who need

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to They should have a senior rugby player who's got
mona in the game. Monna within the club should be
on the side of a rug field.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I mean, it's a lot of it's a lot for
a referee to officiate what's happening on the field and
what's happening on the side of the field. Yeah, correct,
Well got on your grant, grant, thanks for calling. And
you know, I can't imagine how annoyed I would be
and angry if you had gone through all he did.
You know, taking your time out, You've been asked to volunteer,
you're stepping in to help someone else, you have to

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sort out who's going to look after your kids. You
do all these things, then you turn up and you
get abused. I can't imagine how annoyed it would be
if that happened, all right, ref abuse is it getting worse?
What's the worse you've seen? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
You're listening to News Talk zed B on Matt Heath
It is twenty minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk zed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Be good afternoon. Everyone at is seventeen minutes to three
listening to Matt Heath on News Talk zed B. Wellington.
Refs aren't riffing this weekend because of the abuse. What
should we do to protect the guys? I think it
has a lot to do with the rules the unions
soccer rugby league, except you have to make the rules
more simple to suit the social side of football more

(01:06:16):
than professionals, so there can't be any disruptions between parties.
There are millions of social games that games referee by professionals.
The rules from professionals can differ from social games, such
as subtle difference as an understanding. Yeah, I guess so.
But if there's a subtle different understanding, then does that
give you the right to abuse and threaten the ref?
I'd say no. Lindsay bucking the show.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
Here you go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Very good, Lindsay, how are you? Thanks for calling mate?
I appreciate it.

Speaker 27 (01:06:45):
I know that's so good. Hey, look, guys speak a
little bit differently because I umpired.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Oh wow, Yeah. That's quite a cauldron though, isn't it.
Because I've seen my son was roped into play at
a netball and the amount yelling on the sideline it's
quite quite intense, mainly motivational yelling at the players. But
I found it quite a cauldron at a netty game.

Speaker 11 (01:07:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:07:07):
Well, well I came from a rugby background and then
my daughter's played in the same same No one would
step into umpire, so I decided to take the whistle
and really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Did you know the ruck Did you have to have
to do a quick bone up on the the on
the roads?

Speaker 27 (01:07:22):
Yeah totally. So I've gone right through your New Zealand's
and all that sort of thing. But there's another story
so yeah, yeah, so no, I really enjoyed it. But
the abuse sort of didn't come because I was a male,
funny enough, but then when you get higher it did
and it was more so. And I'm hearing this through
the thing it's not the referees job to control it

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because there's only so much you can do. It's it's
usually the club officials are the worst. The other ones
need to be banished, and you take them out of
the game of what they love and think they are
good at and ban them from being on the sideline.
It was my theory, but it never happened because I
got absolutely abused after one game because they lost it

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in a was it an extra time and they had
nothing to do with me. It was all, you know,
you play by the rules, that's why the rules are there.
And the coach came up to me absolutely serving, not
just with pleasantries. This was just flying abuse at me.
And I just stood there and said thank you, you know,
what else do you do and hoping that the association

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would stand in and go, right, you've been banned in
allow back on the court. They were back the very
next week, and that's what they were representing. So I'm
going what I was supposed to do when you're just
doing the best that you can do. And the thing is,
I agree if they're not there the three kend. They've
soon learned that if no one's there to umpire or
ref how's the game going on? Because that was my attitude.

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If I'm not here, you have to do it yourself,
and you don't like doing it, So I'm trying to
do my best to do it to help you. But
for the love of the game, for everybody to play.
How often have you turned up the game? There's no
umpire or ref that someone has to do it. You
just want to play. Yeah, that's we're turning up. We're volunteering, yeah,

(01:09:11):
to do it so that you guys can play. I said,
the day I umpire a perfect game is the day
I retire. I'm in it for life. I'll never get
it a perfect game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
But so you didn't you know that abuse that you
got from the club official wasn't enough for you to
make you know. You didn't think about quitting after that.
You didn't think, what, I'm volunteering for this, I'm getting
this abuse is not worth my time.

Speaker 27 (01:09:35):
It didn't make you feel good. No, And the fact
was no, I'm a bit more hard nosed and I
didn't like it.

Speaker 11 (01:09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:09:44):
Yeah, And I think the attitude that a lot of
your texts are saying the rest are getting tough. Sorry,
I actually want to say I swear it here because
I'm going put yourself in it yourself and go and
do it. You'll soon find how hard it is. And
actually you don't know what's going on until you have
to put yourself in there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
And I think part of it is that you're doing
a service and you're volunteering your time, and you're doing
something really good for the good of the community. And
then to get abuse for it, it's quite it's quite
an It's an evil thing, really, because you're doing good
and someone thanks you with abuse. Now I'm not sure
how to word this, but the abuse on the sideline

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of netty, it's abuse. But is it physically threatening? If
you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 27 (01:10:28):
Lindsay, well, again, I suppose because I'm a male, it's
a little different. But they can be just as heated
and it's just as sharp. Their tongue is worse. But
then the funny thing is, I'm all about passion and sport,
and you know, when something goes wrong and you have
a go, you verbalize something. If it's not directed at you,

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that's fine. And even if it was, it's usually the
heat of the king and I'll give or taken. I
got reprimanded for sometimes they said, oh, you should have
done something. I said, mate, have you ever played in
the emotion of what's in it? Yeah, it's a difference,
but then when it's on the sideline, it can be
pretty sharp and it never was very close. So Rugby
probably in the middle of the field, you're not getting hit.

Speaker 11 (01:11:10):
But I'm just.

Speaker 27 (01:11:11):
Speaking from my experience, so you can hear it and
you can't help but focus on. So you got like
you said, you do switch off sometimes and you miss something.

Speaker 9 (01:11:19):
You know.

Speaker 27 (01:11:19):
But I'd be the first person to go up to
any team at the end of the game and I'll say, look,
I apologize, I got that one wrong. This is our
eyes saw it and that's the beauty of it. But
they didn't like you to admit it. Then I'm going, mate,
I'm human. I just want to you know, I'll look.
So the thing that I would say is these people
that are that are offending and doing stuff, you should

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actually get them to umpire or ref get them in
the middle. And I'm not saying throw abuse at them either,
but get them to feel the pressure of what's going on,
and you actually soon learn that you don't know what
you've done.

Speaker 11 (01:11:53):
Nothing.

Speaker 27 (01:11:54):
You're not as good as you think you are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
I think my life, my sports watching life, after refereeing
my kids footy games and cricket games, that absolutely changed
my view of a ref because just the amount of pressure,
even just on you know, the youngest kid's game. You know,
like you, you take it the pressure and you're trying
to you're trying to stay zoned in, but then just

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something happens. You're thinking about the next thing, or you're
trying to organize something, and then something happens. It all
happens so fast and you're standing there going, oh my goodness,
I have to make a decision here. There's a huge,
huge amount of pressure. Once you've done it, as you say, Lindsey,
then I think it changes changes your opinion. You know,
the most abusive people they should they should be forced
to get out there.

Speaker 27 (01:12:38):
Well, I said, I've gone to the dark side, and
now that I whenever I play a sport and there's
someone umpiring or resting, sorry, even call everywhere a numpire.
Now I always make a point of thanking them, whether
they've had better otherwise, because they have.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
Actually wonder.

Speaker 27 (01:12:56):
And the fact is they're not going to get any
better if you keep abusing them. Yeah, they're just going
to if you if you get negativity towards you, even
if you're not great, you're going mate, you did this well,
sticking with it. I carriage you to do it and
that's the key. So I mean, yeah, I just say,
if you're the loudest person on the sideline abusing somebody,

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give them the whistle, get them to do it.

Speaker 11 (01:13:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Thank you for you call Lindsey and thank you for
your service out there. So referees are getting a lot
of abuse. What have you seen? What can we do
to protect them?

Speaker 11 (01:13:32):
A way?

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
One hundred eighty ten eighty. It is ten minutes to three.
You're listening to Matt Heath on Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Heib the issues that affect you and a bit of
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News Talk ZIBB.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
You listen to News Talk zib It is seven minutes
to three. We're talking about ref abuse. Tim, welcome to
the show. Goody Matt you will Oh, I'm very well,
thanks Tim, good mate.

Speaker 8 (01:14:02):
I'll keep this pretty brief. The people who are abusing
the ref on the sideline, it'sice. I could give them
is to change your life. If you feel like you
want to have a rent, get the piercon next you
in a video with their plane and then watch yourself

(01:14:23):
before you submit it, because you'll realize how unhuns you
come across.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
That's such a point. I mean, if you, if you,
if you showed someone footage of them standing on the
side of a of a a match abusing a volunteer
of ref I mean, how many people would have, you know,
the shame to continue after they've seen that.

Speaker 8 (01:14:47):
Well, fortunately some would because you know they're tough. You
got to harden up all that. But so you can't
do anything for those they're always right, you know, in
their world. And but you know, for the majority, just
count ken whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
But you just.

Speaker 11 (01:15:08):
Change your life.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Yeah, good on you, Tim, I agree one hundred percent. Hey,
so if you do see a abuse, someone just sent
me through this from the end zed rugb dot code.
On z there's a form for referee abuse notification physical abuse,
verbal abuse, so it says, remember this is the only
abuse that must be reported. Physical abuse grabs, pushes, shoves, punches,

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kickspitsah or otherwise. There's verbal abuse swears directly that the
referee calls referee derogatory names, threatens the referee, and violence
threatens the referee family in any manner. Questions or challenges
are referees in integrity, use of verbal slurs or mocking
gestures or sounds in relation to referees. If you see
any of these things, you should look it up. Actually,

(01:15:50):
physical intimidations another another part of it. If a person
imitates a referee by imposing their body in the referees
personal space, marching a referee backwards, or using standover tactics
with the effect that the referee considers that he or
she has feares for their safety, then one seven three seven.
This is the national helpline. It's free to text and

(01:16:12):
call anyone and then you fill out this form. So
if you see someone abusing, I mean ideally you'd go
up and have a word to them, you know, But
if you don't feel up to that, then you can
nark on them. You can knack on them in rugby,
and I'm sure that there's a similar options for every
sport out there. But yeah, I mean it's got to

(01:16:35):
stop because without referees, if they don't not exist, then
then the sport does not exist. Because they give up
their saturdays so other people can can coach, watch and
enjoy the games. So if you're abusing a ref, you're
a bit of scumbag. But I like, I like the
idea of filming these people. Shame them, shame them for

(01:16:57):
their behavior. You're listening to Matt Heath on Newstalk z B.
It's three minutes to three. We're back with when as
a Winning Too big to be a success? Eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Thanks for tuning in this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (01:17:24):
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Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
The big stories, the Vega issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
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Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. And
I want to talk about in a second the concept
of small weddings last big weddings fail. But first, can

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I just say ingeringnger Lyn, I've just been you know,
doing this radio show today secretly wearing my England shirt
under my jersey because I didn't want to jinx it
by putting it on display. And I never gave as
much as I've always supported England at the World Cup,

(01:18:21):
I never gave them a chance in Mexico, going down
to az Techa Stadium, the ghosts of the Hand of
God and Maradonna from nineteen eighty six. I just thought
with that crowd there they would not have a chance.
But spoiler, if you plan to watch it later, stop listening,
because England have won three to two. I mean, I'm

(01:18:41):
actually in shock at this result. I'm an happy shock
at this result, but I am in shock at this result.
How good. But can you imagine the levels of hype
they're going to be created in England now in this situation,
the levels of it's coming home the hope, because I
think that they even I think in their hearts, they

(01:19:04):
thought that getting through Mexico would be a tough one.
But next up they now play Norway, So Norway humbold Brazil.
But if you're England, you're looking at Norway and saying
we've got a good chance, got a good chance to
beat Norway. I mean that was the biggest upset of
the World Cup so far, Norway knocking Brazil out. So
I just want to say England right now onto the topic.

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Nineteen nine two is the text. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Look, I was talking to a wedding officiator the other
day who said to me, the bigger, the bigger the wedding,
the shorter the marriage. And he had run hundreds of weddings,
and he said, small and cheaper are nearly always happier
managers marriages and last longer, big expenses, always shorter, he said.

(01:19:54):
And look, this comes on the back of Tyler Swift
and Travis Kelsey's wedding, which would be on the big
side of weddings. It was at Madison Square Garden, one
thousand guests, including dozens of Hollywood stars, music royalty, and
NFL heavyweights from the Kansas City Chiefs. You've got Adam
Sandler officiating, so you've got one of the biggest comedy

(01:20:16):
superstars in the world officiating. You've got Patrick Mahomes there,
You've got punishers like Tom Hanks there, You've got the
great Steven Spielberg Bradley Cooper, Selena Gomez, Sabrina Carpenter, Jay
Z's buddy there. You got Hugh Grant pesting around. It
was huge. You've got Sir Paul McCartney singing a song

(01:20:39):
at it. I mean, this is the most ridiculously big
wedding of all time, basically turning a private wedding into
one of the biggest entertainment get togethers of the year.
So if this priesty is talking to is right, then
that wedding is in trouble, then maybe maybe two weeks.

(01:21:02):
I mean how long do you give it? So the
question really is have you what is your experience in this?
Have you had a small wedding that's lasted? Have you
seen a small wedding that's lasted?

Speaker 19 (01:21:12):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
And have you seen a big wedding has failed? Or
have you or is this just a load of rubbish
in this particular guy that's done hundreds of weddings has
has got it wrong. And the big Lara Lavish bankrupting wedding,
not that there's any chance of bankrupting. Taylor Swift and
and Kelsey Travis Kelcey. I think they'll be fine. I

(01:21:33):
think they'll be able to afford it between the two
of them. But you know the big expensive all the
boughs and whistles weddings have you seen? Have you seen
one of them succeed? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number you're listening to. Mat Heath on news
Talk said, b it is twelve minutes past three Engleland.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
The news Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
You listen. News Talk said, be it is fifteen minutes
past three. Taala Swift has just had the biggest wedding
you can possibly imagine. I mean, how big does a
wedding have to be to have a beatle performing love songs?

Speaker 9 (01:22:08):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
But a priest I was talking to said that the
cheaper the wedding, the longer at last, what do you
reckon eight hundred eighty ten eighty This Texas says, this
is the exact opposite of the truth. If you cannot
put up the money for a full sized wedding, you
don't have the money to marry. Okay, this Texas says
seventy five k on. Our wedding lasted three and it

(01:22:30):
lasted three years, so pretty good. I didn't think it
would last that long at the time, to be honest.
So he spent seventy five K on a wedding that
you didn't think, you didn't think was going to last.
All right, our wedding costs precisely nothing and still going
twenty five years later. Congratulations for that. This text to Sees.
My mate spent one hundred K on his third marriage

(01:22:53):
last year. I don't give it another year at this point.
All right, Samuel, what do you reckon about big weddings
versus small weddings?

Speaker 28 (01:23:03):
Well, my mum and dad thirty eight years ago had
a tiny, little wedding with about fifteen people. I think
the tiny one works thirty eight years strong. But one
thing is that they're sixty five and sixty three and
they've been together since they were sixteen and fourteen?

Speaker 22 (01:23:24):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
So hem? How old were they were they married, Samuel, Ah.

Speaker 29 (01:23:29):
So thirty eight years ago. I'm thirty eight. So they
were married just after I was born, right, And jeez,
I couldn't take enough to top of my head how
old they would have been.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Properly, I should be able to do the math on
that one.

Speaker 29 (01:23:46):
But I'm not a mathematician.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
So what was the reason for their cheap wedding? Was
it because they've been together for a long time, and
you know, they didn't think they needed to make a
song and dance about it, or they just broke.

Speaker 29 (01:24:02):
No, they just didn't need a song and dance. I
don't think. They just had a small ceremony on one
tree Hill and then just had a big old piss
up at my Poppa's house for their reception.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Right, And so obviously you went out this wedding.

Speaker 29 (01:24:19):
No, I wasn't invited. No, I had to stay with
one of mum's friends because she had a young kid
about my age, so she looked after us. I wasn't
even invited.

Speaker 11 (01:24:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
That's rough. That is rough. But obviously you've heard about it.
It's been legendary, so they spent enough for everyone to
know about it. So did what it needed to do.

Speaker 14 (01:24:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
It celebrated their want to get together. And it's lasted yep.

Speaker 29 (01:24:47):
Yeah, yeah, thirty eight years and still going, mate, and
I don't see it ending until one of them carksit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
What about you, Samuel, have you been married?

Speaker 29 (01:24:55):
I'm not married sort of de facto. Me and my
partner have been together for over ten years and we
had two kids. But we don't see a real need
to really get married.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
To be honest, really is that wouldn't it be nice?
Wouldn't it be nice to sort of have a big
celebration of your relationship? Samuel, Well, it wouldn't.

Speaker 29 (01:25:14):
It wouldn't be big either. They're just small in there,
but the piss up would be bigger than the wedding.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
So how much money do you think you need to
spend on a piss up for it to justify a wedding?
Or we going b yo to keep the prices down?

Speaker 28 (01:25:31):
Oh no, no, no, I think we've probably going to
spend at least a few grand, mates a few grand.

Speaker 29 (01:25:38):
Yeah, you got to keep the punters happy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Yeah, all right, good on you, Samuel. So so that's
in support of a of a cheap wedding from Samuel. Samuel.
My theory, the better the stag doo, the longer it lasts. Yeah, well,
I don't know. I think the stag doos I've seen.
I've seen stagdoos do rail weddings, and I think it's
a good thing now that a stag do is not

(01:26:02):
backed up against the wedding Because I believe I could
be wrong about this, but I believe the stag doo
used to be the night before the wedding. And maybe
I'm just getting this from movies, but that seems like
it's it's Rithe with problems. So eight hundred eighty ten
eighty we are talking about big weddings versus small weddings.

(01:26:22):
Tyler Taylor, Tyler Taylor, Swift's had a very, very big wedding.
But a priest I was talking to reckons that the
cheaper ones lasts longer. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We'll
be back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
It's three twenty. You're listening to Matt Heath on news
Talk said, be now, Swift and Kelsey, you have had
about the fashiest wedding you can. Adam Sandler officiating for
God's sake of Beatles singing shoes tunes. But a guy
told me he has officiated hundreds of weddings and reckons
the expensive ones never lasts. So yeah, Taylor and Travis

(01:27:05):
probably be breaking up pretty seen. Eight hundred eighty ten.
What do you reckon this? Texas says, don't ask someone
to marry you if you can't pay for a decent
sized wedding. Anything under fifty thousand dollars isn't a marriage,
says this texter Ashley, welcome to the show. Hi, how's

(01:27:26):
it going?

Speaker 30 (01:27:26):
So I've never done this before?

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
You know called? Oh well, it's great to speak to you, Ashley.
I really really appreciate it. So you you what's your
thoughts on big v small weddings?

Speaker 30 (01:27:39):
I think a small wedding is definitely the way to go.
We spent next to nothing and did it in our backyard.
And are we coming up twenty years?

Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Well, so, so what is what is next to nothing?
What's what's the cheapest? You can do it?

Speaker 30 (01:27:54):
Well, including my dreas and feving everyone and providing all
the drinks. So is that three thousands cheap?

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
It's steep?

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
And what you provided all the drinks?

Speaker 18 (01:28:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Because I guess it's in your backyard. And what sort
of well talk us through the catering and the and
the refreshments, Ashley.

Speaker 30 (01:28:14):
We just got everything kind of done at cost and
through friends of friends, and we went through like workmen's
clubs and for the catering, and friends helped out with
getting things to our house and it was just a
bit of a community, if you really And why was that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Why did you go cheap just because you only had
three thousand dollars?

Speaker 30 (01:28:36):
No, because it's not a production for the whole world.
Marriages just between the people the parties that are getting married.
It's that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Yeah, right? And did did you with the tears? With
the tears from people to to do what it needed
to do emotionally for the way down?

Speaker 30 (01:28:58):
My husband? But I actually I heard you mentioned before
about stagg doos. My husband had his stigdo the morning
of that wedding.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Wow, So was it?

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Was it a rap?

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
So started the morning of the wedding or continued through
to the morning of the wedding?

Speaker 30 (01:29:14):
No, it started off the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Of What did that entail for it? That morning?

Speaker 11 (01:29:19):
Stack?

Speaker 30 (01:29:19):
So they just went and played. They just went and
played golf down at the at the Red Zone golfing clubs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
And did he what did he turn up in a
decent state? He didn't turn up horrifically Steve.

Speaker 30 (01:29:31):
It's okay, it's okay, it's pretty well behaved. He may
have fallen in a hole or two.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
But what about you? Did you did you cry? And
did parents cry, and relations cry. Friends cry because that's
the point, right. A wedding needs to do enough to
get the water works going.

Speaker 30 (01:29:49):
Yeah, I think I was a little bit too nervous
to cry, but he had the water works covered, so
that was fine.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Right, We'll good on you. And what did you say
to this person that text? Then texted and said, don't
ask someone to marry you if you can't pay for it.
Anything under fifty ks as not a marriage. What do
you think about that mentality?

Speaker 30 (01:30:11):
I think that if you're getting married because it's money,
then you're not marrying for the right reason. The only
reason you should marry is for.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Love, right, But I don't know. I mean what about
you know, you meet someone and they're pretty nice, but
they're also very rich. So if you've got two people
they're equally nice and one of them is really rich,
how do you decide there? Does the rich give you
any kind of advantage in that situation?

Speaker 30 (01:30:45):
I would never know.

Speaker 9 (01:30:47):
No money, No money is irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Money is irrelevant. Well, good on you, and congratulations. Did
you say that you've been married for twenty years to
give it.

Speaker 30 (01:30:55):
Nearly twenty years, not married about fifteen?

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Well, congratulations and thanks for ringing for the first time.
So there you go, three thousand bucks and it seems
to be have been an incredibly successful wedding. Hey there, Matt,
the wedding you're talking about may have actually been quite cheap.
In fact, may not have cost Taylor Swift anything at all,
with entertainment rights perhaps paying for the lot. But isn't

(01:31:21):
she a billionaire. So if she's a billionaire and you know,
he's a professional football player to the highest level and
a fantastic tight end, surely you're not going to go
around trying to rustle up deals to pay for your wedding,
are you. You're not going to be grubbing around in
the dirt for some kind of entertainment situation. Linda, welcome

(01:31:44):
to the show.

Speaker 17 (01:31:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
How are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
So you've been married for a while.

Speaker 26 (01:31:50):
Yeah, I met my husband at a wedding and we
got engaged almost the years of the day, and then
we got married eleven months later, and we're about to
embark on our fiftieth midding anniversary in Fevary.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Well, congratulations, how good, thank you. That's very impressive.

Speaker 26 (01:32:11):
We had what we considered probably a bigger wedding. We
had about one hundred and fifty guests. Back then, my
husband paid for the alcohol and we had like top
shelf you know, runs Pocardi Bourbon. We're a big bourbon fan,
so we had about six different types of spirits and
we had quite a bit of those. And my stepfather

(01:32:31):
was a chef in the army, so he had some
towhorts help with the catering. And I think it might
have cost maybe the whole lovel together would have been
under five thousands.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Yeah, right, But how long ago was this? So what
year would this would be?

Speaker 17 (01:32:49):
Seventy seven?

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Seventy seven? Right, because was the absolute rinsing of people
on in nineteen seventy seven, because you always hear that
as soon as someone is putting on a wedding that
everything triples in price, like a venue everything. So in
seventy seven was the rents on like it is now?
Or was their ways around?

Speaker 26 (01:33:08):
Well, our cake was made as a wedding prison, and
then it was in prison. The bands played as a
wedding prison. So we did it reasonably reasonably cheap. Yeah yeah,
and we're still here to tell the tale.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Well, good on you. So it kind of one hundred
and fifty guests. I mean that's still that's still a
sizable theater.

Speaker 26 (01:33:32):
Yeah, well that was it the wed that the reception,
and then of course it was Wick colleagues and it
came for the after do.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Well there you go, so you recking five thousand dollars,
I'll do the it was it would be under that, yeah,
which would be what you know, would that be thirty
thousand by no.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
Kind of it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Well, congratulations on on rocking around fifty years Linda. That's
that's very very impressive, Hi, Matt. It's more cultural and
motivation that detects how how long it will last. And
in winnings last for days. They're huge affairs, but the
marriages last too. If people go into the wedding to
be flash, show off and out impress their friends, then
that's a bit of a red flag to start with. Anthony, alright,

(01:34:15):
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Now back to Matt Heath.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Thank you, Susie, Welcome back to the show. It is
twenty eight minutes to four on matt Heath and we're
talking about Taylor Swift's wedding, not Tyler Swift's wedding. For
some reason, I've been calling her Tyler Swift. It's definitely
Taylor Swift. I'll just check that. No, it is Taylor
Swift and not Tyler Swift. And she's married Travis Kirk Kelsey.
And it was the It was everywhere and everyone was

(01:36:05):
there and it was huge. I mean, just look at
people there. Got Hanks there, got Spielberg, you got Hugh
Grant there. He was pesting around the place. And as
I said before, Adam Sandler's officiating. It's at Madison Square Gardens.
That's a stadium. It is the biggest wedding you can
possibly imagine, with the most a list cast you can

(01:36:27):
possibly imagine. But as I was also saying before, a
guy told me that he's officiated hundreds of weddings, and
the cheaper ones always last longer than the more expensive ones.
Do you agree? We were talking before about what a
wedding that costs five thousand in nineteen seventy seven would cost.
Now that's according to Michael. Thanks for doing the math

(01:36:48):
that is twenty seven thousand, six hundred and fifty dollars. Now,
so is that a big wedding in twenty twenty six
is around thirty grand? A big wedding? I'm not sure. James,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (01:37:04):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Very good? So you have had more than one wedding years.

Speaker 31 (01:37:09):
Both quite big and a few years apart. But the
second one, which which is you know that we saw
going being together for twenty five years and married for seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Oh yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, good good, good innings.
So were they the same price? I mean, did you
go in and go I've got I'm going to spend
the same again as I did on the first one,
or did you learn anything from the first one in
terms of cut cost cutting?

Speaker 17 (01:37:38):
Yes, a little bit.

Speaker 31 (01:37:40):
Now we're lucky that we live in a small town,
so the venue costs was minimal. But the town we
live in is a there's a big tourist focus and
there's some really great venues. You know, we got this
amazing space that holds a lot of people for a
thousand bucks. I was having a chuckle about one of

(01:38:03):
the earlier callers saying she did her whole wedding for
three grand. Yeah, we spent We spent three ground on
the DJ?

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
Was he good?

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Was she good?

Speaker 11 (01:38:13):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:38:13):
Amazing?

Speaker 31 (01:38:14):
The favorite DJ. And also it was New Year's Eve
and they were actually listed on the posters were already
out and they were playing a big international festil up
in Maticana. All right, yeah, so they had to change
the posters because we stole. He was the last KIV
guy to play that night, right, how good?

Speaker 14 (01:38:35):
Yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
And so if the weddings were about the same cost,
what was the difference in one working and what in
one not working?

Speaker 31 (01:38:47):
Well, the first one we like well as far as
the wedding itself, just just.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
How long were you? How long did the first marriage start?

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Not long?

Speaker 31 (01:38:58):
It was it was a tragic tale. We lost our business,
bloody dogs got shot that both broke both their arms,
and she.

Speaker 27 (01:39:08):
Round off for the drug dealer.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Oh my god. Right, So the difference wasn't the wedding,
It was the amount of tragedy that became post wedding.

Speaker 31 (01:39:17):
And also the drug dealer ing up in prison.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Right, So I'm sorry to laugh, but that's a lot
of situation. It all worked out okay for you, James,
so after the second wedding, oh, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 31 (01:39:29):
And then what it did was, you know, I met
this other person, my current wife, who's just an amazing
individual and comes from a fantastic family. You know, talk
and cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
What have mean current? You know you mean forever or current?

Speaker 9 (01:39:44):
Oh?

Speaker 31 (01:39:44):
Yes, yes, forever yeah, not my next second divorces.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Wow. And so picking yourself off the floor after, you know,
being ready to love again must have been must have
been quite something for you for James. For you, James,
and you've got you've got a bit of I mentioned
you've got a bit of heartache flowing floating around from
the last one, and you're like, no, no, I'll go again,
and I'll get a flash DJ and let's let's get married.

Speaker 26 (01:40:08):
Ye.

Speaker 31 (01:40:08):
And it was we did it on New Year's Eve. Hence,
while we thought we've got to put on a good
DJ and through a great party, my wife's grandparents were
married on New Years Eve as well, many many many
years ago, so we thought we would, you know, on
honor the the tradition and do the same thing ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Yeah, well, good on you. Well I'm glad, I'm glad
everything turned around for you. Jameson Yeah, you've obviously experienced
some stuff, but you sound very happy now and that's
that's bloody good to hear.

Speaker 11 (01:40:36):
Mate.

Speaker 31 (01:40:37):
Yeah, awesome both.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
You have a great afternoon. Uh Bavanni, welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:40:41):
If I said your name correctly, yes, thank you, Yes,
lovely to meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
And I think the mad you are speaking to Matt Bavani.

Speaker 15 (01:40:49):
Yeah, yeah, So my my.

Speaker 20 (01:40:53):
Take on this is that it doesn't matter whether it's
big or small. It's I don't think you can define
the fact that if a wedding is big or a
wedding is small, hence the relationship is going to last
or whatever. I think it all depends on I suppose
how much each partner is willing to work it out
in a marriage. So we we got married. My husband

(01:41:14):
and I got married thirty five years ago in Malaysia,
and it was a double wedding because I lost my
dad when I was quite young, and so my mom
and family decided that we'll do a double wedding. So happened.
My sister had found her partner and I had found mine,
and thirty five years ago we had a huge double
wedding with two thousand guests wow, and two thousand guests. Yes,

(01:41:37):
we had to have this police. It's huge for policemen
to sort of block the road, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Do you know that's twice as be as Tyler Swift Sweeting,
she had a thousand geests. I'm just saying here, so you.

Speaker 20 (01:41:51):
Oh good, So we've beaten her.

Speaker 15 (01:41:52):
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Although there's two weddings, so it's kind of a thousand
and eight so maybe yeah, two weddings and.

Speaker 20 (01:41:59):
Of course three families, right, two boys and us so
and generally in our in our Hindu weddings, we tends
it tends to be the bright side who takes over
most of the cost.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Right.

Speaker 20 (01:42:10):
My mother sort of took fifty percent, but the boys
insisted that they will also take some more. And it's
not just about you know, like Taylor Swift, Okay, it's
not just about the day of the wedding where you hire,
the venue you hire, I mean you you cater for people,
for us, the wedding goes. There are so many rituals
before that, you know, there's a gold melting ceremony, There
is so many things and everything. You've got to feed

(01:42:32):
your guests. You've got to feed your guests. And also
the problem there, I won't say. The problem is because,
like you know, you come from a well known family.
For example, my father was a lawyer and he had
knew so many people, and my mother insisted that we
invite all his friends and all their friends. And so
till today, when if I go back to Malaysia and

(01:42:54):
I meet a petical aunt who wasn't invited for the wedding,
they actually turn on and tell you you never invited
me to your wedding many years ago, can you see?
So for us, it's about that community, and it's about
everyone getting together. And also when you come to the wedding,
it's like you expect them all to bless you as
a couple and you feed them and they go back happy.

(01:43:16):
So it's about that, you seem.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
Yeah, right, How did you go with cheering the limelight
with your sister because it's your special day, but you
know you have to get half the attention.

Speaker 20 (01:43:27):
No, it's okay because for first our wedding was done
and then the priests moved across to the other side
of the state and we did that. It's just that
I told her that when we go to our respective
hotels that night, make sure I don't see you at breakfast.
The next morning you find some other.

Speaker 15 (01:43:41):
Police to go to.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
Really, what was that?

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Why did you want to see you the next morning? No,
I don't know.

Speaker 20 (01:43:47):
Want because I want to spend time with my husband
and not have my sister and my brother in love there.

Speaker 9 (01:43:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
And if you if the two if the two couples
and cousins and stuff stayed close since the speed double.

Speaker 20 (01:43:58):
They're very close. Yes, they're very close, very close. And
years later, now, just about what about four years ago,
my daughter's wedding we conducted here during COVID. So it
was a little bit of a disappointment because we had
to limit guests two hundreds. Okay, it was so difficult
to do the tables and et cetera. So what we
did both sides, we had twelve functions, each one hundred people.

(01:44:22):
In that way, we've made the entire community here happy
that we've invited them to some function other. So this
is what And like I said, we've been together for
thirty five years.

Speaker 15 (01:44:33):
It's not being easy.

Speaker 20 (01:44:34):
But it didn't matter whether we had a small wedding
they're or a big wedding. The fact is, you know,
you just you you sort of work it out, you
can't stand each other, you tell the part, you tell
each other off, and you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Yeah, well get on you in correct, congratulations, two thousand
person wedding. That's that's the biggest one that we've had
at this point. So yeah, right, two thousand, one hundred
and eighty teen eighty is the number big weddings versus
small weddings. We've just heard that a two thousand person
wedding can be a huge success. But a guy told

(01:45:07):
me who's done a hundre or so weddings that it's
the small, cheap ones that last. Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News
talk Z'B.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
Stixon says, how dare you talk about Taylor Swift on
news talks 'B? Why why Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey
had the biggest, flashiest wedding you can imagine? But I'm
hearing from an expert that that is the death. Now,
small and cheap means long and happy, But not the
case with Havana who just called she had two thousand
people at hers. But what do you reckon? Small and

(01:45:48):
cheap or pricey and big? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number? Darren tell us about your wedding, How
are you fellas? Very good thinking just valeration, So that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:46:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:46:04):
Look, we my wife and I we we were planning
on going overseas before we got married to do our
ei and we kind of had discussions about you know,
we've talked about getting married and trying to figure out
who was going to get invited to it and everything.
You know, it just was getting out of control. So

(01:46:25):
we decided to have a surprise wedding on Christmas Day
and we so we just invited family obviously only, and
because we were heading overseas about a month later, it
just meant that everyone was going to be there. And yeah,
we just put up a gazeba out the back, and
I had built a bagola or a nice area and

(01:46:48):
had a had a pig on the spit and family
members bought salads.

Speaker 26 (01:46:54):
And what have you.

Speaker 24 (01:46:55):
And and then when everyone arrived, I because I always
wanted to ask my wife's father for her hand, and
so I pulled him inside and asked if it was
okay if I married her, and he said yes, I said, good,
because we're getting married at one o'clock. The marriage delibrant
turning up.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
So how does that work? So you've had the presence,
But does everyone just smashed their face with food at
lunch and as a result of falling asleep in their
cheers or how did you deal with that situation?

Speaker 24 (01:47:28):
We had it at one o'clock, so it was before
we ate, right, and the marriage clebrant turned up.

Speaker 11 (01:47:34):
He had about twelve.

Speaker 24 (01:47:34):
I kind of got down on my knee and proposed
to share all at about ten in the morning one
day out in the garden.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
And I didn't understand. I didn't understand that. But so
what you mean you proposed and then got married by
the end of the day. Yes, Wow, that's efficient, Darren. Well, well,
you know, well, we just.

Speaker 17 (01:47:56):
We didn't want anything big.

Speaker 24 (01:47:57):
Neither of us wanted a big wedding, and we just
wanted to.

Speaker 11 (01:47:59):
Make sure family was there.

Speaker 24 (01:48:01):
And my granddad was my best man, and my wife's
sister was, you know, bridesmaid, and we all like I
got down on my knee at about ten o'clock and
now Cheryl for a hand of marriage in front of everyone,
and they were all shocked, and then we said marriage
Celebran's sending up at one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
I love that. That's very That is very efficient, getting
Christmas and the wedding done at the same time. So
the family's already there, everyone's already you know that, the
check and the turkey's already in the oven. Good to go, Marty.
You had a large wedding a while back.

Speaker 17 (01:48:40):
Yeah, about thirty five years ago, Matt, Oh right, and
then well parents paid for it back then.

Speaker 11 (01:48:49):
Oh yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:48:51):
I've got four daughters and I've had two weddings. I've
got another one coming up. And I've always said I've
never had a wedding because our parents paid for the
first one and told us how it worked. Hey, and
now our daughters are telling us what they want.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
So are you expected?

Speaker 7 (01:49:10):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Is it a family tradition Marty, that because your parents
paid for your wedding, that you have to pay for
four weddings.

Speaker 17 (01:49:17):
Well, that's just the tradition that I'm I believe in. Yeah,
do you have any help? Do you have any help
from the groom? Would be appreciated, but it's not it's
not necessary.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
How much we talk in per wedding there, Mary, what
kind of budget are you willing to put in?

Speaker 17 (01:49:34):
Well, my first daughter she got married about four years ago.
They just wanted to piss up, as somebody said earlier.
So we just we just had a little or a
marquee off mates that we've got, put straw bales out,
got mates killed, sheep had a spit. We just paid
for the booze. They actually paid for the band and

(01:49:57):
they just got married on the Friday night. We know,
we didn't know they were getting married, but their mate
turned up. The second one, I think we paid about
we had the same marquee than thirty people we pay.
I think it was about twenty five grand king there
and this one will be the same this in October.

(01:50:19):
And now fourth daughter, she just wants a couple of
dozen deers and some sausages and a bread roll.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
So like, if if you're a daughter, is she going, well,
you know, my other sister got twenty five k. I'm
only having what some sausage rolls? Dad? Can I get
the extra twenty twenty k to spin on what I want?

Speaker 17 (01:50:40):
We've had that quite a bit over our lifetime. With
braces one two of them with braces in one game,
always my ten grand And no.

Speaker 11 (01:50:48):
They don't work.

Speaker 17 (01:50:49):
They're actually they all work themselves, and they sort of
they're very cautious on what we are paying. So they yeah,
they go, no, no, we're not doing this, We're not
doing that. But you know, we just we go to
the best we can we I mean, off the farm.
We can utilize a lot of things, use barn balls

(01:51:09):
for tables and stuff like that. So everything's at home.
We're not paying for a being you And yeah, people
that we invite just chipping, they'll all be about one hundred,
one hundred and twenty people.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
Okay, Maddie, here's the question. Then, so you've got the
real simple wedding and you've got the twenty five k wedding.
What one is looking more solid?

Speaker 17 (01:51:32):
They're both solid, they're both pretty. They're both pretty fresh yere.
They're all very solid. They're all country girls. Yeah, just
starting new families, so they're all pretty fresh.

Speaker 11 (01:51:42):
At the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
Yeah, that doesn't help my hypothesis. Valerie Wee from the show,
We've got about sixty seconds. I'm afraid, yes, I'll be
very quick.

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
Good on you.

Speaker 25 (01:51:52):
What's going with the Equals Navigator a year engaged in
the October, and it was no try before you buy
in those days, and told Mum, it's just going to
be a year and a half to two before I

(01:52:14):
get married. Well within two weeks of our engagement, he
got a posting to Singapore, so we rushed around and
put it on a wedding very quickly and got address
organized and left New Zealand on the thirteenth of December

(01:52:34):
nineteen sixty year and my darling has only just recently died.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
I'm sorry to hear that I missed him so much.
Sixty four years years together.

Speaker 5 (01:52:47):
Yeah, oh well, a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Thank you for your story, Valerie, and rip your lovely husband.
All right, thank you so much for all those calls
and texts. All right, you're listening to Matt Heath on
News Talk ZEDB. We're back in a couple of minutes.
Try before you buy. I don't think that I've never

(01:53:10):
heard it put it like that before, but yeah, I
wonder I think a lot of people will be getting
married a lot quicker if we went back to the
situation where you you didn't try before you buy. One
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons us
talks it'd be all right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
That brings us to the end of the show. Thank
you so much for listening. Thanks for you for all
your calls and text and my hypothesis that small cheap
weddings last longer and happier than big ones didn't get paid,
didn't pay out in the text was about even Stevens,
So there you go. The Sir Paul Holmes, broadcaster of
the Heather the dupley Seiland is up next stand after four.

(01:53:54):
She'll be chatting with Martam and Davidson about the Green's
latest policy announcement and they want out ocean squeaky clean.
Spoiler alert for farmers. It will be at your expense.
But right now, why am I playing the slightly punishing
nineteen ninety eight banger from Fat Lez Wow? Because against

(01:54:15):
the odds, England's beat Mexico in Mexico. So they'll go
on and face Norway in the quarterfinals on Sunday and
someone text us through they said, Matt, do you really
think it was you wearing your England shirt throughout the
show that made the difference? Yes, I think it was.
I think it was me doing the show and my

(01:54:36):
England shirt was the difference for the team. Our bloody Girds.
Bring on Norway, Love Norway as well. All Right, you
seem busy, so we'll let you go. We'll be back
tomorrow nationwide from midday until then. Given a taste a

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