Full Show Podcast: 07 July 2026

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 7th of July 2026, Matt's on his own again today with Tyler away on holiday - China’s missile test in the Pacific ruffles talkback feathers.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
News Talks EDB, Hello and welcome to News talksby Afternoons
on Matt Heath and I'll be with you until four pm,
when the great and Powerful Heather Duplessy Allen will take over.
The number here, in case you didn't know, is eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. And coming up, I want to
talk about China blasting nuclear capable rockets into the South Pacific.

(00:46):
Should we just shut up and let them do what
they want because we need the cash? Or should we
complain about it? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. But before
we get to that, I just want to talk about
some something something I experienced last year. Now you know
how most celebrities are full of crap, vacuous, vain lawyers
who only act humans, so we consume more of their

(01:06):
crappy products. Well, this week, Conan O'Brien, in my opinion,
the best talk show host ever, and he also makes
this great television show called Conan Without Borders. He's a
huge star. He's worth three hundred and fifty million dollars. Well.
He was on the House Life podcast with John Mayer
last week and he said this about flying commercial instead

(01:27):
of private.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
So I fly commercial, and I, you know, I'm fortunate.
I get to fly in the part of the plane
where I get some leg room, which is nice. I
like to I like to go It's going to sound crazy,
but I really like to go through and chat up

(01:50):
the people at the TSA. I don't mind taking the
belt off. I like being in the world with other
people that are traveling. And it's also, you know, the
flying commercial is so smart if you don't want to
go broke.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So that sounds like your usual celebrity with three hundred
and fifty million dollars just trying to write to say,
you know, say the right thing. But he isn't because
I know this personally. I met him. I saw him
on a commercial flight last year when he was shooting
Conan Without Borders down here in New Zealand, and he

(02:29):
does like talking to people on the plane. I was
collecting my baggage at Christchurch Airport and he just started
chatting to me, the incredibly tall Conan O'Brien. He just
started asking me about the weather's, what's good stuff around
the South Island, and he genuinely just enjoys chatting to
plubs like me. So you know, there are good guys

(02:53):
in Hollywood. There are genuine people in Hollywood that don't
take private jets because they want to hang out with
scum like me, and I just it just makes me
love the guy more and more, very very tall, like
impolitely tall when you're standing next to him waiting for
your baggage by the carousel. All right on the show.

(03:16):
So I'm sure you heard all about this. Today, China
has launched a long range, an inactive long rage ballistic
missile into the South Pacific, landing there Carabas, probably from
a sub somewhere. The act has drawn reasonably strong criticism

(03:37):
from both us here in New Zealand and our mates
in Australia. Our Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters has said
that the test goes against the spirit intent of the
region's nuclear free commitments, and former Foreign Minister Wayne Mapp
praised what Winnie had to say.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
China is testing part of its nucleared deterrent in the
South Pacific Nuclear Free Zone, which New Zealand really put together.
So if we're serious about the nuclear free zone, then
we have to oppose it, and ultimately I think China
will get their message. Look, other nations test their missiles,
but they don't do it in the South Civic Nuclear

(04:14):
free Zone.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Are we really serious about it?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Though?

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I think we are serious about it. I think as
we see the way that Winston Peters has reacted, he's
pretty staunch on this. He's conservative, but he knows that
this is part of New Zealane's history and tradition going
back really fifty years now. And ultimately I think China
will get that message that, you know, if they want
to have a new clear deterrent, don't bring it into

(04:39):
the South Pacific.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
So how much of it was about what's happening with
Albanzi and Fiji and possibly US yesterday, I.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Don't think too much. These sort of things take a
bit of time to bear. They have to have ships
in place, we're going to have dummy warheads on these things,
all of that. So it's not sort of something you'd
turn on in twenty four hours. But we don't want
to get China thinking they can just do this routinely
and we don't care.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
Is it the same as that live firing exercise in
the Tasman last year. I mean, is this all part
of the same package or completely separate?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Well, they are kind of related in the scenes that
China is certainly stretching its wing. They are becoming a
global power and are demonstrating that that is sort of
part of this. But you know, historically the South Pacific
has been nuclear free and that was bought for very hard, indeed,
especially by New Zealand. So so Winston Peter is backing

(05:30):
up our history and tradition.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yes, And the former US ambassador in New Zealand, Scott
brand and Brown, has also criticized China's latest missile test
in the Pacific, saying China was acting like a big
bully in the region and called it a wake up call.
But what does this mean? What is China care? Are
you worried about China using the South Pacific as a
nuclear capable firing range? What do you think is going

(05:54):
on here? And can we do anything to stop China
firing missiles down this way? And we are we wise
to piss off our biggest trading partner by complaining too
much about it. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, ohway,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. It
is twelve minutes past one. In a moment, we'll return

(06:15):
with your calls and.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Texts, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
Used Talk said.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Be welcome back. It is a quarter past one. You're
listening to. Matt Heath on news Talk said, bee China
has blasted a nuclear capable ballistic missiles to the South Pacific.
The South Pacific. It's apparently against the spirit and intent
of the region's nuclear free commitments. But what should we do,
if anything about it? Are you worried this? Texas says,
Rather China than America. They would probably use actual nukes

(06:49):
they have before this. Texas says, Hey, guys, China firing
missiles of any kind into our backyard is an act
of war. There is nothing non threatening in this act
at all. My feeling is we should certainly start cuddling
up to the USA. This is a very serious act
of aggression. Thanks Tina H. Tony welcome the show your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Yes, I asked a hypothetical question that.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
Will Chris Hipkins in the will issue a pledge that,
in the event of him becoming Prime Minister, in conjunction
with the Greens, that they will send a frigate into
that area of the Pacific with a Cabinet minister on
board to express to China their abhorrence of nuclear testing

(07:39):
in the Pacific, like they did with France. I think
it was Longea that did it, but it was the
Labor government did that when the French were testing on Muora.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Right, so I seen the frigate to I guess the
exact point where this well area about four thousand, seven
hundred kilometers away roughly, would you say, carabas well?

Speaker 8 (08:05):
They did it at more a Row Lagoon when the
French were doing it, yea? Or are you're not old
enough to remember that?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
No? No, I remember it and you know it's a
It's a huge, huge part of our history, isn't it
a nuclear free stance?

Speaker 8 (08:24):
And I think the Labor government must become the Labor
Party must be consistent with its own parties view on
the subject subject of nuclear free New Zealand And of
course the Greens would have to agree to it. And
but of course the Greens fund the China funds the
Greens of course indirectly, so perhaps they won't actually make that.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
How So how does kinda fund the Greens in directly? Tony?

Speaker 8 (08:54):
Well, who else is given them money to disrupt our economy?

Speaker 9 (08:59):
I know.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I need more evidence than just who else.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
Well, the children that support the Green Party wouldn't be
making enough money to be something in the Green pie,
so someone else has to be doing it.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
So if we go to the the So this all
comes down to the Treaty of Raratonga, which was signed
in nineteen eighty five. And who's on there. We've got Australia,
Cook Islands, Fiji, Carabas, Nauru, so it's the missiles landed
between Carabas and Nara, New Zealand, New Apapua, New Guinea, Samoa,
Solomon Islands, Tonga and Vanawatu have all signed this and

(09:37):
it basically says non nuclear weapons in the South Pacific,
no stationing nuclear weapons in their territory, no nuclear testing
in their terrrity, no dumping raddict of waste at sea
in the zone, peaceful nuclear activity only under safeguards, So
what's wrong with firing a non nuclear missile into the
South Pacific?

Speaker 8 (09:57):
We now, how do we know that it wasn't a
nuclear missile that didn't go off?

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I mean, that's that's an interesting point.

Speaker 8 (10:04):
I mean, it's all hypothetical that could have been.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean that's interesting, isn't it?
Because it sounds so absolutely insane that a nuclear weapon
would go off in the South Pacific? But the US
carried out sixty seven nuclear tests in the between nineteen
ninety six and nineteen fifty eight, not so long ago.
I mean, we get the we get the we get
the bathing outfit, the Bikini well named after Bikini at all,

(10:32):
So it's not completely I mean it sounds proposition, But
I mean, what do you think if they actually I mean,
this is you know, New Zealand's you know, saying that,
you know, we're big fans of this whole Treaty of Raratonga.
But I mean, what would China gain from blowing up
a piece of water in the middle of the South Pacific.

Speaker 8 (10:55):
Chinese are not getting aggressive, They're just showing that they
can be and will be if they have to be.
You wouldn't trust the budgets. I mean, you know, we can't.
We upset ourselves still about the Americans dropping the bombs
on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese people,
But only a few years before that, during the Rape

(11:17):
of nineteen, the Japanese Empire was slaughtering Chinese by the
hundreds of thousands as well.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I mean, that's horrific the stories out of you know,
I mean I was reading some history on this recently.
It's beyond horrific what happened with the Japanese Asians.

Speaker 8 (11:35):
Your charac trust politicians with weapons.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Right.

Speaker 8 (11:41):
Right?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
So what so what do you think? Like, so, I
think we can Tony just assume that it didn't have
a nuclear warhead on its fine from a sub and
it's landed there. So what do you think their motivation.

Speaker 10 (11:56):
Was for doing?

Speaker 8 (11:58):
One thing's for sure that the Chinese aren't having nuclear
subs without nuclear weapons on them, just like the Americans
and the British and the French have got submarines floating
around with i's on them. Well, we don't know, but
there's a fair chance there's no point having them there
on stune By. It They're not going to use them,
are they?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's a deterrent, yeah, And but I mean, what's the
I mean, what are they because because.

Speaker 8 (12:26):
One day some nutters going to press the button, the
real one and lots of dummies.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's that. That's the big fear,
isn't it that that one day if you have nuclear weapons,
that one day someone someone will fire them. But what
do you think on this one hundred and eighty and
eighty we're talking about China testing nuclear capable ballistic missiles
in our backyard. Should we shut up and take it?
Or kick up of fuss? You're listening to news Talk
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Speaker 1 (12:53):
Feelers focused informed. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
Of course, yesterday China fired off the long range test missiles.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
So what's a mean?

Speaker 6 (13:01):
Wayne matt Form, a defense minister with this morning, Good morning,
this happens yesterday.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
How alarmed are you?

Speaker 11 (13:07):
Jim on the Poe the French testing for twenty years,
China is testing part.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Of it nuclear deterrent in the south of the Civic
Nuclear free Zone.

Speaker 11 (13:16):
Which New Zealand really put together. So if we're serious
about the nuclear free zone, then we have to oppose.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
It, and ultimately I think China will.

Speaker 11 (13:23):
Get the message of other nations test their missiles, but
they don't do it in the South Civic Nuclear free Zone.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Defender Trophy Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
It is twelve, No, it's one twenty four. You're listening
to Matt Heath on Newstalk ZEDB. China's tested a nuclear
capable blistic missile in the South PACIFICA is this anything
to worry about? I mean, other nations test their nuclear stuff.
As Wayne Mapp said, should we just jump dump the
Treaty of Raratonga and then we don't have any problem? O.
Te hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number we

(14:00):
need to stop this reckless anti China mindset says this text.
To think about it logically, what harm has China ever
done to New Zealand? It's the relationship is only good
for New Zealand rather than bad or harmful. Every country
carries out nuclear drills and so does New Zealand. Why
are we so biased against CHINAE? You agree with Michael
Ow eight hundred and eighty ten eighty This text it
says it would have had a nuke on it. Why

(14:22):
would you build one without a nuke? It deaf had
a nuke on it and it didn't go off. They
embarrassed it didn't work. No, I think like they have
it's capable, so that means that they can put a
head on it. I mean they're testing they're ballistic missiles
to see how far they can go. So when if
they ever should want to fire one with a nuclear

(14:43):
weapon on it, they know how far it'll travel. So
I want to rule out that had a nuke on
it that seems to have been popping up in the text.
It didn't. Why don't they fire it back their way
to test how far it can go? I think that's
just such an interesting point, isn't it, And that that
speaks to the motivations of firing it. I mean they

(15:05):
could have They could have sent the sub out however
far they wanted to and fight it back the other way,
but instead they fight it this way. Welcome to the show, Ben,
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 12 (15:18):
I think this is an immedia beat up on China.
To be honest, you know, you've got to pick your
battles made, and this this seems quite significant to other
issues around the world. And let's be honest. You know,
China hasn't started a war and driven up the price
of oil when we're all feeling them at the pump.
So you know, they bought their ships in thet Tesmancy

(15:42):
the other year, and we told them they should have
given us warning. Well they've given us warning. They've done
what we asked them to do. And there's no warhead
on this where we got the warning. It's in international warners.
It's legal. I don't see what the issue is.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Well, I mean China has I mean, China is mates
with Russia, right, so it's not like they're they're completely
and utterly the white gloves on the situation in the world.
Right if they're friends with North Korea and their friends
with Russia and the war in Ukraine hasn't helped oil
prices at different times, has it been?

Speaker 12 (16:20):
It isn't. But we're friends with China, you know, we
rely on them to keep the lights on. Let's be
honest there, and we don't agree with a lot of
the stuff they do, but we still trade with them
because we need the money. I just I just think
this is ridiculous. Pick your battles and this isn't one
of them. Just it's like there was no warhead on it.
They gave us warning, let's move on. Yeah, sure, they're

(16:43):
fixing them. They're showing us what they've got. It's every
other nation on the planets and this at some point,
let's get over it.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, well, you don't think You don't think that it
was anything to do with the you know, Australian Fiji
signing the Ocean of Peace Alliance, because it seemed to
be fired about an hour after that was signed. You
don't think that that's related at all.

Speaker 12 (17:05):
Well, it may have been, but at the end of
the day, we sent one of our frigates through the
street the other year between Taiwan and China. They were
not happy about that, but we still did it. We
still sing our new aircraft around around Japan here and

(17:26):
all that. In North Korea our is new surveillance aircraft.
They're not happy about that. They told us that we
still do it. So I just don't see what the
issue was.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
So we do have the Treaty of Raratanga, right, you know,
the nuclear free commitments that were signed in nineteen eighty five.
So that's that's still fully ratified. So China must know
that this whole area has you know, there's any expectation
that there's no nuclear activity, And I get that there's
no it's only a nuclear capable missile, but you're firing

(17:57):
from a nucleus sub You're firing an intercontinental ballistic missile
right into slap into the middle of the area protected
by the Treaty of Raratonga, Right, So do you think
that China should have respect for that, for this whole
nuclear free.

Speaker 12 (18:13):
Zone, Well, they did. They signed it. They agreed not
to have nuclear weapons in their area, and they haven't.
So there was no walk here to attach to this missile.
So though absolutely abided for it, just because something can
carry a nuke doesn't mean it is. So yeah, I
think we should put our battles drick.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
And it's in the spirit of the treaty though, because
I mean obviously technically they haven't. There isn't any nuclear
activity because they've just fired a blue you know, blistic missile.
I mean basically they're just littering in the ocean at
this point. But you know, it's not really in the
spirit of it though, is it? Technically no? But in

(18:51):
the spirit of what is intended by the Treaty of
our time.

Speaker 12 (18:56):
Well, technically we could say, you know, we should say
that the things, you know, we've got these boats, they
can in Russian oil, that sanctions were temporarily lifted so
they could drop their oil and career and that, and
that's where we get our picture and evil from. So
at some point here we're buying Russian oil. We don't
agree with it, but we still do it. So yeah,

(19:16):
I just don't think that this is just speed off
on China.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Really yeah, right, So you think it's risky for us
to make a big deal about it, seeing as they're
our biggest trading partner, and you would say it'd be
wiser just to go, well, look that there are superpower
superpowers doing superpower stuff. They check out, they test their
blistic missiles. Let's not make a big deal about it
and cause problems for ourselves. That's essentially be saying.

Speaker 12 (19:40):
Has it That's exactly what I'm saying. And like, you know, Okay,
if it had a new corner, it'll be a different story.
But at the end of the day, it didn't. They
warned us, they did everything we asked of them. There
was an international orders, they followed the law, they followed
the treaty. Yeah, I think we should just move on
from us.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Good on you, ben Thank you so much for your call.
Do you agree with ben O t under AD eighty
ten eighty So China in the South Pacific? What are
they up to too? Do you like them to their
ballistic missiles and nuclear reezones? The new headlines are up next.
Then more of your calls on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty US talk SIB.

Speaker 13 (20:19):
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the North. Police have reopened more than fifty child protection
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to an employment process. The Prime Minister says China testing
a nuclear capable missile in the South Pacific is concerning
and unacceptable, and our governments expressed its concerns very clearly

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to China. It's understood the missile passed over the exclusive
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(21:28):
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Speaker 2 (21:34):
You are listening to Newstalk z B. It is what
is it? As one thirty five on matt Heath and
you've probably heard about this today. China has launched inactive
long range ballistic missilan to the South Pacific, probably from
a sub. It's drawn fairly strong criticism from New Zealand
and Australia. Winston Peter says it goes against the spirit

(21:54):
of the Pacific's nuclear free commitments, and former Defense Minister
Wayne Mapp has back to saying New Zealand has our
long history of opposing nuclear activity in the region. But
what does this actually mean for New Zealand? Are you
worried about China using the South Pacific because a nuclear
capable firing range? Can we do anything to stop it?
Should we do anything to stop it? This textas says, Matt,

(22:16):
if you say nuclear instead of nuclear again, I'm going
to send an armed into continental blistic missile at the
Micos King Memorial Studio. Please start pronouncing that correctly. Love
the show, by the way, New clear, I got to
be very careful that I say, new CLEI. This texts says,
come on, man, they will invade Taiwan soon enough. Then

(22:37):
we will be at war with them anyway, might as
well go hard now? What does that even mean? Go
hard now? What would New Zealand going hard now at
China mean? What have we got to go hard now?
At China? I think about as hard as we can go,
considering their biggest trading partner and a superpower. About as

(22:59):
hard as we can go is sort of a sternly
worded email is probably about as hard as we can go.
This stick says, what is a blistic missile? Well, that's
a good so. Blistic Missile's a missile that is fired
high into the air and then falls towards its target
under gravity, as opposed to a cruise missile, which flies
low and has powered most of its way. So a
blistic missile is boosted into the air and then sort

(23:22):
of just travels its course through space and then drops
down using gravity. All right, Sarah, what do you think
about this? What do you think of this?

Speaker 14 (23:31):
I just think it's shocking that they're in a nucular
three space and they It just goes against everything. I mean,
if we're going to allow we should be making the
biggest fuss ever because it's really scary. They're on our
doorsteps doing this.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
So, but what do you think the reef percussions can
be for us making a big fuss? Because, as I
was just saying, they are our biggest partner, I think
it's worth forty one billion dollars or something to us.

Speaker 14 (24:02):
Yeah, but you know, if we ever go to war
and they let one of those off, where it gone,
aren't we Yeah, They're it's just look, I don't know
that side of it, but it's all money, isn't it?
I guess? But I just think the sternness words should
be spoken to them about that because it's not in
the spirit of the treaty. It's a new nuclear free

(24:26):
area and you know they're letting off. Okay, that's a dummy,
but still, why do they have to do it there?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, I think I think it's pointed that they do
it there because you know, there's there's a there's a
whole lot of other places. But I guess you could
argue that the South Pacific is a pretty a pretty
remote area. There's you know, compared to other places in
the world. I mean, if if your practice with it
too close to Japan and you're going to be in

(24:55):
real trouble if you're China, aren't they.

Speaker 15 (24:57):
Yes, absolutely No.

Speaker 14 (24:59):
I don't like it at all, And I think I'm
actually horrified that they've done it actually to be there.
The last caller said, we got warning? Did we get warning?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, we've got one. We've got about we've got about
an hour.

Speaker 14 (25:12):
Yeah, And I mean it was breaking news about it,
but it's like, yeah, it's just out of I can't
even really comprehend it that they go it on us
in an area that's meant to be a space that
is free of any of that.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Does it Does it make you feel better? Sarah that
it landed about four thousand, seven hundred kilometers from New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (25:35):
No, I just I feel for everyone in the South this.
I think it's really in bad taste that they sign
a treaty and going off, you know, like leving dummies off.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Well, China, to be fair, China didn't sign this treaty.

Speaker 14 (25:48):
Oh, okay, that's worth.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
It's Australia, Crock Islands, Fiji, Carabas, Neurai, New Zealand, newe Papaguinea, Samoa,
Solomon Island's Tongue, two Er and Vanowatu that have signed it.
So as far as China's concerned, it's like, you've got
your little treaty and that's nice. We've just fired a
missile there, but it wasn't nucleus, so we haven't even
broken your treaty that we didn't sign. Can you see that?

Speaker 14 (26:13):
Not Really, it's like a slap in the face. I'll
come into your waters and do whatever.

Speaker 16 (26:17):
I like.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, I mean might there might be a bit of that.
But do you think they wish us ill at all? Sarah, China. Oh,
I mean, we seem to have a pretty good trading
relationship with them, and they're pretty pleased that we got
them into the sure none.

Speaker 14 (26:29):
So I used to think we had a good relationship,
but this was really changed my mind completely because it's
in bad taste, disappointing, and it's not a spirit of
the treaty. I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Oh, good on you, Sarah, Thank you for your call.
So China has fired another intercontinental ballistic missile into the
South Pacific. It didn't have a nuke on it, but
they could fit one on theirs. Is this the end
of the world or just a superpower doing superpower stuff? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You're listening to Matt
Heath on neustorg z B. It is twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
To two Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your
afternoon rolls on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Be you a listening about Heath that is seventeen minutes
to two on news talks. Here'd be I like this
person's attitude. This is the kind of person that keeps
calm in difficult circumstances. They basically dumped a hot water
cylinder four seven hundred kilometers from New Zealand. Who cares? Well, Yeah,

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because if you don't, it's just a piece of hardware
in the water. Really, you know, it has a lot
of meaning around it. But yeah, they basically dumped a
hot water cylinder near Carabas, didn't they. Tony, Welcome to
the show. How are you today? Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 17 (27:46):
Oh, there's been signals from China for a long time
about what they like and don't like, and they have
methods of showing their displeasure and indicating that they can
do things economically against us, and they've been doing it Australia.
They punish them in relation to buying iron or a
culture for a while and they've done the same with

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us to it agree with you look at it logging
in some of our exports and anything that goes on
politically and the Pacific.

Speaker 18 (28:14):
They make a.

Speaker 17 (28:15):
Point of showing it's not coincidence. Wayne Matt was saying
that they wouldn't know that they were going to do
the tests and everything like that. Well, it's a stupid
comment because the Australian's Internal Security Service, whether they call
themselves the ASIS or something, talked about the Chinese Communist Party.
How act, if they were in Australia, New Zealand, with

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people living in New Zealand and telling them and working
in governed parts and telling them what's going on. Apparently
we leak like a sif they would have known that
that signing of the agreement with Fiji was going to happen,
even though some people think they didn't, Yeah, I thought.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
That was an odd comment that they said it would
take twenty four hours to get the it's set up.
I mean, I'm surely that their strike capability is a
lot quicker than that. I mean, if they want to
fire a missile and they don't have to fit a
nuclear walk head to it because they didn't, so surely
if they want to, that's the issue. It's one communication

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fire one.

Speaker 17 (29:15):
I would have thought the missile is the message that
we can do it. The question of what they put
on it is another matter. If you look at the
Chinese influence in about five nations and Pacific and how
much they've basically taken it over and got Chinese police
and military with guns working at airports, searching foreign dignitaries

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who've got diffmatic community.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 17 (29:38):
Nobody says work because there's nothing you can do about it.
They have electronic surveillance of various Commonwealth countries and all
around the Pacific. Of course they'll know it was going
to happen in the signing of it. That's the whole
point of why they do it. Their twenty five year
plan that they started publicizing for the first time in
nineteen ninety five after the collapse of Russia, they identified

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America obviously is the big problem to their economic movement.
They're quite open about what they want to do. They
want ninety five percent of control of all electronics industries
by I think it's twenty thirty seven, and they said
that they won't do it militarily, but they will support
the economic efforts if they meet resistance or arem resistance.

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They've made that quite clear. The plan, the economic plan
they update every five years, shows that jes and things
got rid of probably sixty percent of the pollup Bureau,
and the ones that are in there now are older
and mostly military, and there are very conservative supporting him,
and that's why they've been more aggressive for three years.

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And another issue is you look at what they're doing
near the Philippines and these various islands that they're putting
all these fortifications on. That's not to conquer the Philippines.
It's to stop Japan and Korea sending all their trade
and buying all their trade down through the South China
Sea because they've got no other routes. So they're really
concerned economically about what it's going to do. If they

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managed to shut off the South China See, which was
their goal because economically they've got control basically of the
southern hemisphere.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Then when they do that, you're going to.

Speaker 17 (31:17):
Look at the big picture.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
You look at do you think that because you know,
I was looking into Taiwan and we often think, you know,
Taiwan as a risk for for for invasion, and you know,
you know, China thinks that Taiwan is just part of China,
et cetera, et cetera. And they've You've got various people
too too and the Pacific to agree to their opinion
on it. But can you ever see a situation where

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China actually invades Taiwan. I'm looking into it that that
looks like a doesn't look like a great great plan
to try to attempt to to you know attack.

Speaker 17 (31:50):
I mean, they might invade militarily, but they might do
other things to persuade Taiwan to come to some agreement
because economically Taiwan is very strong and the superconductor industry
and the electronics they do yeah, ll mind, mind you,
they're stealing all that from the States anyway, but gives
them a big advantage, and that the net money coming

(32:13):
out of Taiwan. They'd love that, and they will. But
I said they will, and they usually do what they say.
It might happen straight away. But some people are saying, oh,
I said they're they do it, but twenty twenty seven,
twenty thirty. But the point is that they've actually said
And that's the thing. When they say something, they're planned,
because they don't change government every two or three years.

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These people are there for the long room. If they
say they're going to do by twenty thirty seven or
twenty forty, they'll plan towards it, and they'll use various
ways of doing it. Yeah, that's why I think you've
got to keep looking at it broadly as to what
they're doing. I think if we talk to some of
the Pacific countries who deal with them and what they've
been like, we don't seem to follow that much to

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report it much you'd realize just how much influence they've
got on at least five countries in the Pacific I am.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
And they've they've got roads, ports, the reports, stadiums, you know.

Speaker 17 (33:03):
They've got You've got PNG, you've got care of us.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
You've got some people say that, you know, there's some
estimates that they've spent five billion dollars in the region
since two thousand and eight, and five billion dollars pumped
into those those countries that aren't wealthy. That's a lot
of influence. And it's hard for a country like New
Zealand to say don't take the money and you need it,
very hard because then they go, oh, well, you're going
to give us the money. We're like, well, we don't
actually have five billion dollars to give you.

Speaker 17 (33:28):
But their agreements, which they try and keep secret, gives
them firstly fishing rights and dock rights, and then of
course when they get dock rights, fishing fleets have armed
coast guards supporting them. They're allowed to bring in Chinese
police to help them. Police in the area like Solomon Islands.
The first thing the Chinese did was to get the

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Solomonons police to start taking firearms from all the native population.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
So what can we do, though, Tony? And should we
worry about it? Because is it our problem? I mean,
does China have nefarious plans for us in the long
term plan?

Speaker 17 (34:09):
Well, I think instead of just looking at just us
we threatened, what are they doing? Mostly economically in the
South Pacific. They're fishing, aren't they at the moment, And
they'll be after timber and dairy. They're slightly trying to
get all their dairying secrets and they're succeeding and one
day they won't need us. But the fishing grounds around
New Zealand caused the Antarctic in that Australian New Zealand

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the impediments to that, and they've got people to feed,
and that's where they get the protein. They're doing it
the Pacific. They've been doing it down in South America.
You know, it's all common knowledge and you can follow
what they do. They to seend their gunboats with them
and the Cook Islands a deal in secret that was
shocking because that was going to give them wharfing rights.

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Bring the fleets down from places like Kerbas and Vanuatu,
and you've got all the Pacific around us to fish
and they'll do it, don't they. We can't stop them.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, we'll think of you call Tony. So we've just
got to go to a break. I mean, I think
that is the biggest shue here is we can't really
stop them and probably Australia can't stop them. And what
does that mean for us? You know, we can do strongly,
strongly worded statements, but probably not much else. Eight hundred

(35:21):
and eighty ten eighty is number you're talking to News
Talk ZB. It is nine minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News
Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
You well listen to Newstalks EDB. It is six minutes
to two. So we've been talking about the intercontinental ballistic
missile that has been fired across the Pacific from China.
What do you reckon, Brendan. We've got about sixteen seconds mate, Oh.

Speaker 19 (35:54):
Yes, sweet, I'm not too concerned about the launch.

Speaker 20 (35:57):
Probably what can send me more is that China's got
so little faith in the KSHC of its missiles had
to feel the need to fire it into the largest
body of water on Earth, namely the pecific ocean. If
this was Elon Musk, he would fly a rocket into
the on suite of shitting clan's bathroom, drop a grenade
while he's taking his daily constitutional, and then turn.

Speaker 9 (36:18):
Around and fly the rocket home again.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
So yeah, not too concerned.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
So you reckon. This is a demonstration of China's nuclear
uncapability rather than capability.

Speaker 12 (36:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (36:29):
I mean, if you're going to show off yourself and
you know that everybody's watching, make it, make an actual
show of it, have it land on, so you know,
have it actually hit something. Have a little Trump dummy
out in the middle of the.

Speaker 20 (36:41):
Water and try and take down the Orange Man.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Now that that would be impressive.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
So first of all, they float a big you know,
I remember Michael Jackson's flat floating one up the teams,
a big statue of himself, float one of them of
Trump out of the middle of the Pacific, and then
hit it from four thousand and five from seven thousand
kilometers away. And then you're making a statements that's how
you really made way. And then if that happened, you'd
be worried. Yeah, yeah, okay, is that a possibility going

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forward for China. You know they have a fifty year plan. Apparently.
I wonder if that as part of the fifty year plan, David,
just quickly your thoughts, final thoughts on this?

Speaker 22 (37:20):
Oh right, people forget that you remember that China went
to the island Solomon Islands van Noa to et cetera,
et cetera, and paid them big money. Remember they dobed
money in there, yep, and we complained about it, Dada da.
What they did it for was they that was in

(37:42):
return that the bos Islands gave them safe birth to
China's warships. They got safe birth there, so they China
can birth if it wants to refuel it food, et cetera,
et cetera. That's that's fairly serious. I thought about how

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even America stopped there is, of course, put a nuclear
submarine in there, which can exist for six months.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, well, sorry, David, We've got to go. We've run
out of time. So is this something to be worried about,
or as one person said, in a way, is that
just equivalent of a hot water cylinder being dumped in
the ocean four thoy, seven hundred kilometers from New Zealand.
Time will tell, but It's been a great conversation. Up

(38:34):
next school holiday child here? How the how are you
paying for New Zealand's you listen to news Talks? He'd
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Speaker 23 (38:44):
Two big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 1 (38:55):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks, EDB, Hello
and welcome to news Talks.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Hev Afternoons on Matt Heath and I'll be with you
live till four pm. The number here, in case you
didn't know there is eight hundred eighty ten eighty and
I want to talk about school holiday here in a minute.
How do you look after your kids when they have
so many holidays and you have to work to pay
for the bills that keep the roof over the little
bastard's heads? But first, now, look, there's a lot of

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Today he shared something that I've noticed my whole life
but didn't know if anyone else did. It's a way

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to absolutely guarantee that you don't see any red lights
when driving somewhere. Something you can do that will get
you green lights all the way.

Speaker 24 (39:54):
This is a life hack for avoiding red lights.

Speaker 7 (39:57):
Right.

Speaker 24 (39:57):
If you want to make sure you get to your
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to do is go through drive through, get a burger
from any takeaway, fast food restaurant, anything that you think
you might eat at a red light, and I promise
you you will not see another red light all day.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
You will get to your.

Speaker 24 (40:12):
Destination, your burger's sitting on your lap going cold. You
will not get one single red light. I swear to
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to myself, oh, I'll just grab a mic chicken Berger
and eat it on the way, I will get to
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Speaker 2 (40:28):
That's true. Try it it works. Try it on your
way home if you're an hurry to get home anyway.
This hour, I want to talk about school holiday care.
It is becoming a punishing cost for a lot of
kiw We parents. According to an excellent article in The
Herald by friend of the show, Vasha Angelai, some Auckland
programs are charging hundreds and hundreds of dollars. One specialist

(40:51):
program costing nine hundred dollars for ten days. And actually
that program sounds pretty cool. I think it was a
robotics course. I put my kids on one of those
expensive robotics courses and it was pretty cool. Anyway, you
parents need the care, You need the holiday care so
you can go to work. But the price is a
getting pretty hard to manage, especially for single parents or

(41:11):
families with more than one child. Now you can't blame
the providers that they're also under pressure from you know, staffing, venue, insurance,
and operating costs, et cetera. So it's a bit of
a catch twenty tea too, isn't it. You need to
work to pay for your kids, but you need to
pay for your kids daycare so you can work in
the holidays. Soa t undred eighty ten eighty what are

(41:33):
you doing to look after your kids over the holidays?
Are there any good courses out there? Do you need
to just start leaving your kids at home? I was
thinking about this. I wasn't on a school program holiday program.
I was just hanging around at home when I was
a kid. The kids just need to harden up and
lend some independence and look after themselves at home. Well,
you do what you have to do to pay for them.

(41:53):
I would love your thoughts. What do you reckon? OA
t undred eighty ten eighty. It is ten minutes past two.
You're listening to News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Your home of afternoon Talk mad Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons
all eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks be.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, welcome back. It is thirteen minutes past two. You're
listening to Matt Heath on News Talk ZB. We're talking
about school holiday programs. Are they too expensive? What are
you doing with kids? Where are your kids? And your grandkids?
Are grandkids this week? There's a lot of school, you know,
holiday programs out there, but they ain't cheap. This text says,

(42:33):
I agree with Matt. We have three kids at home
under eleven right now, no problems at all. They are
just sitting there on their iPads. Getting in trouble would
show some interest in getting off their asses, which I
have not seen in a very very long time.

Speaker 12 (42:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
So when you actually look at the law on because
everyone says you can't leave a kid at home until
they're fourteen, right, but that's not actually what the law says.
I keep meaning to look it up every time I
have this argument. Yeah, here we go. So there is
no law that says kids under fourteen I can never
be left alone. We've sort of we've sort of made

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that up right. The legal testers has the parent caregiver
made reasonable provisions for the child's supervision and care. So
you know, if a child is under fourteen, a parent
and garden or caregiver this is this accorded to New
Zealand legal can be fined if they leave the child

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without reasonable care as a physician for an unreasonable time
and the fine for that is two thousand dollars. But
what does that even mean? So the government guidance says
you can leave a children under fourteen at home or
somewhere else if they have made reasonable arragentsments for the
supervising kid for safely and they are not left for
a long time. So I mean that's just a that's

(43:56):
just if they've got a phone, right, isn't that reasonable care?
So if you've got a kid, let's say an eleven
year old, and that home and they know the neighbors
and they've got a phone, then that's reasonable care and supervision.
So you can go to work, sweet airs. I mean

(44:16):
you can check on them if you wanted to, You
could set up a tracker, a tracker on them, so
you know exactly where they are. Now. Relevant factors that
come into play, whether it is considered a reasonable to
leave a child under fourteen at home, The child's maturity,
So if you know that the kids, you know, we
know some kids are insane and we'll let off fireworks

(44:38):
in the house, and that some kids are from the
age of eight are completely and utterly reliable. How long
they're left, So surely you go to work at eight
in your home by six, surely that's not too long.
With whether they know what to do in an emergency,
whether this food, warmth, safety and phone access in the house,

(44:59):
whether they whether an adult can be contacted quickly, whether
the situation is a day or night so this is
in the middle of the day, whether the home environment
is So if you've got a safe home and a
mature kid and some food in the house and the
place is reasonably safe, then why do you need to
put them into holiday care? You got your ten year old,

(45:21):
leave them home. If you've got a I mean, we've
got this person here that's got three kids at home
under eleven, no problems at all. This Texas says schools
should look after the kids while we are working. We
get four weeks holiday, where they are a year. They
take more holidays than that. We pay taxes, sort something
out for our kids. So this text is suggesting that,

(45:46):
I don't know schools run a holiday program. I'm gonna
want to be too expensive, would it? You just have
the schools still open, but the kids just run around
and play all day, so you wouldn't need any You
wouldn't need a whole lot of teachers. You just need
a couple watching them run around and play sports in
the yard. I mean, if you're going to have to

(46:08):
you know, if you only get four weeks and your
kids get I don't know how many weeks holiday kids get.
My kids always seem to be on holiday from school.
But if you're only getting four weeks and your kids
get lots of holidays, then because the school has two
A school has two functions, right, It's to educate your kids,
and it's also to house your kids safely while you

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go to work so you can earn some money to
pay taxes, isn't it? And this Texas says, don't have
kids if you can't afford to look after them. But
we need people to have more kids. We're suffering population collapse, Texa.
So actually need we need kids. We need more kids
out there. And this Texas says, we have one fourteen

(46:49):
year old looking after all the kids in our colder sack. Oh,
one fifteen year old looking after all our kids in
the colder sack. So are you what are you doing
to look after your kids at the moment? Or your
grandkids are on holiday? I wait under at eighty ten
eighty are you happy with a holiday program? Happy to
spend hundreds of dollars for your kids to be looked after?

(47:11):
Or have you got another plan? This text says, when
I was working at colleagues with young children, use the
college age daughters of other colleagues to look after their
children at home. The college you girls were happy because
they earned some money, and their parents were happy because
they weren't getting up to any mischief. Now I reckon
that potentially when I've been when I was a kid,

(47:32):
when I was left at home because I had three sisters,
Potentially there was another sibling somewhere on the farm, and
maybe I wasn't completely alone. It's hard to remember. There
was probably an elder sister smoking cigarettes somewhere on a
top paddock or something. Anyway, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
It is nineteen minutes past two. You listen to News

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Talk z B school programs? Should schools be forced to
look after your kids in the holidays so you can work?
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons? Call oh eight hundred
eight on News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Welcome back to the show. You listening to Man Heath
on News Talk ZBB. School holiday programs are getting super expenses.
How are you dealing with your kids during the holidays
when you have to work? The number is eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty and we are joined by Rosie. Hello, Rosie, Hi, Matt,
how are you very good? Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 10 (48:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (48:32):
So, I am a single mom of three.

Speaker 26 (48:35):
Kids, so they are absolutely crazy, busy, boisterous kids, and
a five took the risk of leaving them at home
by themselves. I probably wouldn't come back to much of.

Speaker 25 (48:46):
A house tested by the end of it, So I
just send them off to the local school or the
parks or the ball and their scooters and they go
and find their friends and yeah, they're kicked out.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Really, how old are they, Rosie?

Speaker 16 (49:03):
So they are between twelve and eight, So two older
boys and then a little girl.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
And so are you going to work when they're doing that?

Speaker 16 (49:10):
Yep, So I work from nine till three, right and
then yeah, so they're just sent off with their lunch
boxes and yeah they're not no iPads, they have box
they read. But yeah, when the weather's good, they're often
doing something.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
And do you monitor them or anything, You've got your
phone tracking where they are or anything.

Speaker 16 (49:30):
I know where they are, and I have a couple
of because I'm in a small town, so I have
a couple of friends, their own shops around the area,
so if anything happens, they just go to them and
they'll get in touch with me or yeah they're our neighbors,
are they know them as well. And I'm just a
few a couple of k down the road, so they
can bite to me or scooter to me if they
need anything.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
So you say, they're pretty rambunctious kids, like you think
if they were in the house that they would cause
all kinds of problems, but they are you trust them
enough to just run around the park and sort sort
out their problems.

Speaker 16 (50:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, that probably doesn't sound through responsible to that,
but no they are they like, that's sensible kids. But
they just are the kind of because they need to
be occupied buy so you know, leaving them at home
to entertain themselves may not end as well as making
sure that if they have their gooders and their bikes,
they're busy.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
And and what kind of stuff do they get up to?
Do they do?

Speaker 5 (50:25):
They?

Speaker 14 (50:25):
Do?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
You get the stories at the end of the day.
Do they do they? I mean you live rurally, but
you know, do they Is there ever any problems? Do they?
I don't know because when I was a kid and
I was left alone, I'd start throwing clothes at things.

Speaker 16 (50:36):
You know, there may be the odd punch thrown between
the boys and they thought that they shows out themselves,
But no, they're pretty good. Like, yeah, they may be
pretty rough, but they are sensible enough to know that
they're trusted to go and do these things to be
left to look after themselves. In the sense of if
you ruin that trust, you just simply don't get to

(50:58):
do it again. So they'll hop on their bike they'll
go find their mates and they'll say, we're going to
go to the park, mum, or we're going to go
play golf, or we're going to do these things. And
I know that if they know that, if they don't
do that, then they lose that right.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And do you think so you do it? That's rurally.
So you've solved the problem. So you can work from
from twelve to three and you live rurally. How rurally?
So obviously there's a there's just a small town, a
small town, right, right? So what say and I mean
this is a hypothetical, but what say you lived in
the middle of Auckland City. Would you would you and

(51:33):
I don't know, you're a kilometer from from a school
or a park of stuff. Would you be as would
you be as comfortable with your kids?

Speaker 4 (51:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Is that Do you think there's something that you would
do in a big city?

Speaker 27 (51:43):
No?

Speaker 16 (51:43):
I think if that was the case, I'd probably have
like they would have a cell phone, a simple cell
phone to be able to get in touch with me
if they needed it, or I'd probably just be in
the position where i'd have to take the time off. Yeah,
I mean, obviously kids have so many holidays now, which
I understand and it's all necessary, but it does put
a weight on us to either make the choice of
taking the time off during these holidays or or them

(52:06):
having to look after them the bullet and spend a
lot of money on these programs. Ours aren't as bad
here as what I understand are in the big cities,
Like it might be sort of fifty dollars a day
for some of the programs offered, but if you're putting
three children into those, that's still one hundred and fifty
dollars a day, and it's almost it's the purpose of

(52:28):
sinking really when you're when you're forking out that kind
of money.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, absolutely, are there more holidays now? Because I was
wonder that are there more holidays now than they used
to be? That is that what's going on? Is that
what's going the problem.

Speaker 16 (52:39):
To feel that way? Seems to feel that way then
when we're at kids. But no, I think it's I
think it's the same. It's just maybe when I mean
I grew up, I was fortunate. I grew up on
a farm in the country, so our holidays were spent
helping Dad and mum. A lot of the time was
staying at home, so there was somebody to take care
of us. But I think there's more pressure now on.
Both parents are working, so if one's fortunate enough to

(53:02):
be able to juggle the time off. But no, there's
so I don't think there's more holidays that just seems
to be hard.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah, yeah, I think, well, you've got you've got three kids.
But I think also there used to be bigger families,
so there was often a teenager that could look after
the other kids or whatever, or a lot of cousins
around or all those kind of things. Do you spend
the day worried about them, Rosie, No, I don't think so.

Speaker 16 (53:25):
They're pretty sensible, Like, No, they are pretty sensible. They
know right from wrong, they know what they can and
don't do. And I'm not far away, like I'll duck
down and check on them, or they'll they'll come and
find me. So no, I don't necessarily worry about them.
And if I think if I did, I wouldn't be
allowing them to do what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah, and if you think them, and this is a
kind of a terrible question to ask, but if something
went wrong, you know, do you think that you would
be judged for this. Do you think people would go
mother of threes letting her kids run around the park
while she's off, you know, working, Do you think do
you think that that would that would that sort of
judgment would come down on top of you.

Speaker 16 (54:08):
To be fair, I'm the kind of person I don't
really care what I think. I think if I'm doing,
if I trust my kids and I know that's sensible
enough to do what's asked of them. I mean, accidents happen,
right and you could be right there and something will happen.
It's out of your control. But if I if somebody
did and they explained to me, this is what we
were doing, this is what happened, Like they can't. You

(54:28):
can't control everything, whether you're there or not. So you
just have to bat your kids to make the right calls,
do what's asked, and it's that simple.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
But people will judge, yeah, exactly. It's just like and
I think I think that's part of the part of
the problem with a lot of what people do and
the decisions they make now as around the judgment of
other people. Because I've talked to people that don't want
that's to walk their kids to school because they're After
a few beers said, oh just the just everyone else goes.

(54:58):
How came you? Look, your kids are walking to school?
You know, you know, why an't you dropping them off?
You know, I saw your kid crossing the road, all
that kind of stuff. So it's not that they don't
think their kids can walk to school, but they just
think that other people at the school and the school
will judge them for having their kids walking to school.
If you see what I'm saying and that.

Speaker 16 (55:14):
Yeah, I see it. I think we bubble wrap them
too much, don't we? Like my gosh, I mean, I'm
very I'm quite old skill, I'm like I said, a
group in the country. So we did things differently. But
you can't do everything for your kids. They have to
at some point learn responsibilities and taking not risks as such,
but just making the right call. You're walking to school

(55:36):
is not hard. We're we're five hundred meters away from school.

Speaker 12 (55:40):
They yeah, there you go, they walk out to school.

Speaker 16 (55:43):
But oh yes, not who cares? Just do what you
feel is right.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Good on your rosie. Thank you so much for your call.
You sound like you've got three great kids having a
good time during the holidays running around running around the
park and Jonathan Hyde, who I've read a couple of
brilliant books by Jonathan Hyde, and he would totally agree
that you know that that we're wrapping kids up and
that the more independent you can let your heads be,

(56:09):
the better it is for them. And you know that
we seem to be quite happy to let them, you know,
run loose online, but we freak out when they're they're
running loose in a park during the holidays. All right,
eight hundred, one hundred and eighty ten eighty School holiday programs?
Are your kids in them? Are they too expensive? What

(56:30):
other choices do we have? Which are you? Are you
just letting your kids go down to the park, Well,
you go to work. I'd love to hear from you.
News headlines are up next, and then we're back with
more of your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2 (58:06):
You're listening to news talk zb it is what time
is it?

Speaker 21 (58:09):
It?

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Is twenty seven minutes to three one hundred eighty ten eighty.
School holiday programs are getting super expensive. How are you
dealing with your kids during the holidays? One hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number I might have just
said that. This tex says love rosy judgment is the
absolute worst part of parenting. I agree. Is you know

(58:31):
you don't want to parents over make your parenting decisions
on what other people think of your parenting decisions. As
it were, These holiday courses are an absolute scam, says
this text. It's bollocks science course. My ass they will

(58:51):
be putting food dye in water. At best, just leave
them at home. We have two kids eleven and nine
at home right now while I'm at work. They are
totally fine. We had the neighbor come around to complain
about us leaving them there. What businesses it are of their? Well,
I mean you might want to employ your neighbor. I mean,

(59:12):
if your neighbor know is at home, not employ them.
But if you've got kids that are living and nine
at home, and you've got a neighbor that's nosy enough
to be nosy enough to be coming around and complaining,
then surely that neighbor can instead be a port of
court if any anything goes wrong with the kids. I

(59:32):
currently have all the kids around at our house, says
this text to three kids with three kids each, So
three kids okay, so three kids with three kids each,
so nine kids at Grandma's. I am in the bathroom
taking a rest right now while I text you. See,
that's that's a good That's a pretty good grammar, isn't it.

(59:53):
So taking all the cousins, all all nine of the
kids to look after them? Are you doing that? One
hundred and eighty ten eighty Johnathan Height I was talking
about this before with Rosie, So he's written a couple
of fantastic books' talke about them on the show before,
including one called The Coddling of America. But anyway, He
argues that parents overprotect kids in the real world but

(01:00:17):
underprotect them online, and he advocates for giving your children
as much real world autonomy as you possibly can, such
as letting them stay at home alone or do as
many unsupervised errands as possible. And his argument on this
is that it builds resilience and independence, and so someone

(01:00:42):
may judge you and say that you're being a bad
parent because you're leaving your kids at home. But according
to Jonathan Height, you're actually being a bad parent by
parenting them too much. And in holiday times like this,
if they're in holidays and you immediately put them into
some kind of holiday daycare, then you're stealing from them

(01:01:06):
the opportunity to build resilient and independence at home. And
so he actually wrote this book called The Anxious Generation,
and he believes this is actually one of the reasons
why a lot of the kids as they grow up now,
the generation that is seventeen eighteen nineteen into their twenties
is so anxious now is because they haven't spent any

(01:01:28):
time on their own until they go out into the
real world, because they are either at home or being
driven to school, or in school or being picked up
from school. And then the holidays are either being looked
after twenty four to seven by parents or they're being
put into holiday daycuick daycare. So there's always an adult

(01:01:49):
that's making all their decisions for them. And when invariably
in life you have to go into the world and
make decisions for yourself, then you suddenly become incredibly anxious
because for your entire childhood until you're eighteen, you had
no experience of making your own decisions. So he's a
big fan. He talks about building anti fragility. So your

(01:02:11):
job as a parent is actually to put your kids
in situations like Rosie does, where you go to work
and you send them down to the park, so they
spend all day in the park and you know, from
nine till three, and you expose them to risks, and
by doing that, you actually are being a good parent.
So the very thing that people say makes you a

(01:02:33):
bad parent is actually being a good parent. And you know,
as he points out, and I think I said before,
what we're doing now, as we are just putting our
kids on devices. So we're scared of them going outside
where they might learn lessons, or scared of them being
at home by themselves when they learn lessons, but we
just go you go loose on your device. So you

(01:02:56):
his point of view is that you're massively overprotecting them
in the real world but just letting them go absolutely
loose on their screens. So healthy deend and outdoor play
is being replaced by isolating, anxiety inducing social media. So

(01:03:18):
what do you think eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
all our concern that we have around where kids are
going to be or not be during the holidays actually
incredibly poor parenting and as putting a kid in a
nine hundred dollars robotics course for a school holidays, is
that actually not as good or educational for them as

(01:03:40):
just leaving at them home and leaving the home to
learn some lessons. Love to hear your thoughts on this.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty skill holiday programs? Are
your kids on them? Are they too expensive? What other
choices you have do you have? Are your kids just
at home? Coming up next? More of your calls and
texts on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk, sa'd.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Be actually just the lad It is eighteen to three.
You're listening to Matt Heath on News Talk z B.
We're talking about school holiday programs and leaving your kids
at home to look after themselves. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number. Shame on you for this,
says this text message. I've never been more angry. I

(01:04:28):
wonder if I should read this text in an angry voice.
You are going to get kids hurt or worse. Not
only should children not be left alone, it is illegal.
I am so angry. I don't know what to do.
You need to stop stop, stop stop saying this. It's
not actually illegal. That's what I was saying before. In
New Zealand, there is no simple rule that says kids
under fourteen can never be left at home. You just

(01:04:50):
have to take reasonable provisions for the child's supervision and care. Phil,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 28 (01:04:58):
You're going mad here you go?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Ah, very good, Thanks for calling in your thoughts on this.

Speaker 19 (01:05:03):
Yeah, you're the law around us and the legal ages fourteen. Hi,
my wife and I we go back twenty one years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:05:14):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:05:14):
We used to work full time and both oil kids
up until the age of fourteen when at the school
holiday program it's so we equal to leave them a super.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Well as are saying that that is not actually the case.
That's what we all think. We all believe that, but
there is no law that says that. Kids. Yeah, I'm here,
fel can you hear me? Hello? Fell? One two one two?
Are you therefore? Can you hear me. I can hear
you loud and clear, fel can you not hear me?

Speaker 10 (01:05:45):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Hello, Okay, we've lost Phil. We'll see if we can
get them back. But yeah, as I was saying to
fil just before we jumped on the line, he must
have heard. But there is no simple rule that says
kids under forteen can never be left at home. You
just have to make reasonable provision for the kids. And
you know, if if they're in reasonable contact, the kids
mature and they know what to do an emergency, there's food, warmth,

(01:06:07):
safety or the kind of stuff, you can actually leave
them at home. Bob, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (01:06:13):
Hey good, how's God?

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Good?

Speaker 12 (01:06:15):
Mate?

Speaker 18 (01:06:16):
Yeah, it's interesting talk about that. Actually, there was a
lady's going around. I think she might have written the
book that's written, a famous book, and it was about
building resilient children. And we went to one of her
seminars are out in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Ireland Bay you remember who? Do you remember who that was?

Speaker 17 (01:06:34):
I can't remember your name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I'm sorry, someone someone might remember.

Speaker 18 (01:06:41):
It was really interesting because she had to convince to
all her studies into an hour and a half, which
is pretty impossible. The JITs of it was that parents
are doing too much, and it was trying to figure
out ways to get out of it because we've had
that stage of the helicopter parenting, the parents jump in
and try and do everything for the kids. And this
is about building up resilience as kids have to get
into problems where they have to problem solve or they

(01:07:02):
just have to go through things where they know things
take time. So some of the things you up, we
sort have already initiated ourselves. Like we looked at studies
around just kids with tablets and short form content and
devices having devices that we've gotten rid of those, so
our kids don't have any We've got table we had
two tablets. They no longer have tablets. They're only four

(01:07:25):
educational purposes. But but they just know how are.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Your kids, Bob, Sorry, I don't understand.

Speaker 18 (01:07:29):
How they're all under ten? So I've got one that's
just turning ten, one's turning eight, and then I've got
a younger daughter that's basically coming up to five. If
you're looking at the studies around devices, they are like, uh, cracked,
don't mean for kids are terrible. Like even the people
that created devices like Steve jobs Net, they never gave

(01:07:51):
their kids devices because they know they've done studies on
them when they built the things that they're bad for
the brain. So any parent that that doesn't think they're
just go and try and take a tablet off a
kid while they're midding something and you'll experience emotions that
I've seen where they just go angry. Yeah exactly. So, yeah,

(01:08:12):
we just had enough of it. But it was just
so funny how fast the kids went, oh, okay, cool,
I don't get tap. They just got used to that.
We do no TVs on Mondays and Wednesdays. The rest
of the time they're allowed TV, but it's usually long
form stuff like movies, so they both have to agree
to a movie they have to watch or something like that.
We try and put them in situations where they have

(01:08:32):
to figure out things for themselves.

Speaker 16 (01:08:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:08:36):
I know.

Speaker 18 (01:08:37):
I hear people debating about you don't just let your
fourteen year olds go off anywhere. I mean, we have
a playground next door that they play out, but we
do keep an eye on them. But I just think
that when I was a child, and I was sort
of around thirteen and then, we used to just go
on our bicycles and just go to the river, go
to the crossing anything and there were no phones, but

(01:08:59):
then parents in it room who you were. You had
to figure things out on your own. And that's what
fools resilient. So what do you think because the scenarios
you're coming to because we have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
To because that came naturally to my parents to just
let me run around and do what I want. There
was no It just came naturally to them. So isn't
it interesting that that's something that we have to do,
like we have to attempt to not you know, over
parent and not helicopter, but just one generation back was
like you run out and play. So what what what

(01:09:28):
do you what do you think happened there? It is
it just because we because we've got so much media
now and this just we just hear so many bad
things and or I can't work out what it is.

Speaker 18 (01:09:39):
Possibly the fair the people having fear of what their
kids might happen, that they might get hurt or something
like that. I mean I got I got hurt. We
had bike accidents. We would cut knees open and stuff
like that and end up having to go to the
medical center or get someone to go back to the
home to get mum or dead or get someone like
you just had to figure things out and it and

(01:10:01):
it does make you grow up a little bit in order,
like when you when you get into these problems that
you have the problem solve. Compared to these kids that
are like, I'm going to keep you inside the house
and anytime we're going to go out in the venture,
I'm going to go out with you. It's like, well, okay,
if you're constantly policing them, they're never going to be
able to figure out anything on their own.

Speaker 10 (01:10:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:10:20):
I definitely think that the building resilience and kids is
an important thing for them to not have mental issues
later on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:10:29):
Absolutely, And yeah, unfortunately we're just experiencing the fallout of it,
and then we sort of backtrack and figure out, Okay,
well why is this generation like that? Oh, it's because
of this, and then we're putting the problem solvment, but
it's too late. By then, you've already mentally trained a
kid to think a certain way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Yeah, I wonder I've got a slight theory on this, Bob,
I reckon a When you know, I was one of
four kids, so and you know, my parents started having
kids when they were really young. So they're in their twenties,
they just had kids. So there were kids, so there
were there was too many to really really helicopter parent.
There's too many of them running around. There's too much
to do, so you end up sort of just letting

(01:11:11):
the me being a dirty, snunny face little boy, just
run around and do do what he wants. You just
couldn't do it. And also people now choose to have
kids in a way that they didn't like. People just
used to you'd get to a certain age, you get married,
you'd have kids, and so you made that decisimt. But
people they have kids now sort of a lot of
them have chosen to have kids. So the kid and
they're a bit older, and the kid has just becomes
this much more precious kind of thing, not just another

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thing that you're.

Speaker 18 (01:11:35):
Doing having, especially if you're having less kids, like if
you only having one child or two child or two
children like you were saying, you're brought up with a
larger family like four kids, so you had to learn
how to compromise because you're around other siblings that you
had to. Like, if you guys got into arguments, you
just have to compromise them too. You need to figure
things out between yourselves, whereas you're just like an only

(01:11:58):
child or there's only two you. Yeah, or dad might
step in and figure the things out for you, or
no one does because you don't need against.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
And you just inter interact with your parents a lot more.
I mean I think I interacted my parents, but but
mainly I was just fighting with my sisters. Hey, so
you said, you said, Bob that you know your oldest
kid is ten and they're not on tablets now, but
you're going to enter that zone where where they're going
to be demanding phones. Have you've got a plan for that.

Speaker 18 (01:12:28):
I'll probably just delay it as long as possible. I
think we're getting looking into dumb phones as well. Yeah,
phones aren't necessarily on an internet, yeah, you know, just
for calling. I think they can be a massive distraction.
I mean I find that as an adult as well. Yeah,
you can get into them scrolling and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
It's just absolutely Yeah. But before we say before we
save our kids, we've got to save ourselves. Hey, thank
you so much for you call Bob Europe. You sound
like a great parent. So we're discussing school holiday courses.
Are they too expensive? And basically what we're discussing now
is you know, uh, is it time to just start

(01:13:07):
leaving our kids to their own devices more than on
their devices. You listen to News Talk ZB it is
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Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way, mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Is seven minutes two three. Welcome to the show. Gay, Hi, Matt.

Speaker 29 (01:13:31):
I know you're strapped for time, so I just quickly
say I grew up in the sixties. I had a
marvelous childhood. We were so free. We went out in
the morning and we came back for dinner and it
was great, you know, and our parents didn't worry about us.
But I think that's because there was so little real
news and we weren't afraid of anybody kidnapping our kids

(01:13:53):
or doing anything bad.

Speaker 27 (01:13:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Do you think there's more people doing that now or
we just have every single bit of bad news just
right now face twenty four to seven.

Speaker 29 (01:14:04):
I think we have the bad news in our face
and also all the things, the other things that keep
the kids inside. But we didn't happen, but we just
went out and played Did.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
You have did you have how many siblings did you have, Gay.

Speaker 29 (01:14:17):
I had three others. I was the eldest.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
And were you running around with them?

Speaker 7 (01:14:22):
Not so much.

Speaker 29 (01:14:23):
I mean they were all running around by themselves. I
had my friends, you know, And I remember we were
right the side a beach. We used to go down
and we used to swim. Nobody bothered, you know, or
worried that we were going to drown. And I'd see
I remember seeing the small four year old boy lying
in the sand, and he was out all day. You know,

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at a four year old. People would now say he
was being neglected, but he wasn't because everybody knew us,
you know, everybody knew the kid.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
And did you get if we get into any major trouble.

Speaker 29 (01:14:54):
I can't recall. And I used to do a lot
of stuff, you know, help help at home, look after
the kids. I'm sure that my mother went out when
I was, you know, younger than fourteen. It was just
a different time. But it was so nice, so innocent,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Yeah, I mean, paint a beautiful picture, Luke just quickly,
thanks for calling your thoughts on helicopter parents.

Speaker 12 (01:15:17):
Hey, yeah, no, I've only got a second as well.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
So perfect.

Speaker 9 (01:15:20):
I was just interested and what you were saying about
you know why.

Speaker 12 (01:15:24):
Parents are different these days? And I've got a couple
of theories. And one is the exact same as you.

Speaker 9 (01:15:28):
I think is a sort of massive amount of terrible
media and you know, it sort of causes a bit
of raucus and negative thinking. And then two is every
parent seems to want to give their child a better
childhood than theirs, and I think that includes overstepping, you know,
like trying to do too much and you know, for
the betterment of their child. But honestly it just becomes
counterproductive because they're doing everything for them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
There you go, There you go, man, well said Luke.
It was kind of exactly what I was going to say, Like,
kids have lots of holidays, adults do not, and obviously
that's a problem. It doesn't match out. But what if
you do with your kids is up to you, no
judgment at all, But it might be worth looking at
having them spend some time looking after themselves. It's looking
more and more like leaving them to do stuff without

(01:16:12):
our adult supervision might ironically be the best possible parenting
you can do. All right, It is four minutes to
three after three o'clock. I want to talk about dogs.
Where and where shouldn't dogs be allowed to go? In
New Zealand Society one hundred and eighty ten eighty listening

(01:16:34):
News dog z B back in a few minutes.

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The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Hello everyone, it's news Talk said Afternoons. I mean he's
and I'll be with you live until four pm. So
just one more hour until Paul Holmes Broadcaster of the
Year Heather Duplessy Allen takes over. Just looking so with
that result with the US, I'm just looking at the
bracket here, so France, the round of eight's now France, Morocco, Spain, Belgium, Norway, England,

(01:17:35):
go England and then either Argentina, Egypt or Switzerland Columbia.
So it's it's getting extremely exciting now round of eight
coming up. So absolute spanking from Belgium over the United
States and the you know, there's a bit of controversy
about the game, but there looks like the United States

(01:17:57):
goalie had an absolute mayor. Anyway, in a moment, I
want to talk about dogs where they should be allowed
in New Zealand, where they should be allowed and shouldn't
be allowed. I say everywhere, some say nearly nowhere. Before
we get into that, I want to go back to
something that we talked about in the last hour, and
we were talking about young people going to the world

(01:18:19):
unprepared because they have been overparented. Anyway. I read this
over the weekends was from John Collison, the co founder
of Stripe, and he said this, as you become an adult,
you realize that the things around you weren't just always there.
People made them happen. But only recently have I started

(01:18:40):
to internalize how much tenacity everything requires. That hotel, that park,
that railway. The world is a museum of passion projects.
And I've had this feeling for a while that when
you were young, and more and more people are like this,
that you don't appreciate the effort that went into the
world we walk around in. Some of us just take

(01:19:02):
it all for granted, by which I mean, you know,
we can walk around complaining, being cynical and trying to
tear the whole thing down on social media or whatever,
because we don't stop and take a second to appreciate
that everything around us took a lot of work, risk,
and passion to build every building, road, hotel, house. There

(01:19:24):
is this lack of gratitude for all the work that
was put in by generations of people to make everything.
In the cities and towns we live in exist people
that have made nothing. Walk around in a museum of
hard work, which is the world in a museum of
people's achievements, oblivious to the hard work that went into it. Anyway,

(01:19:45):
I was stoked when I came across this from a
philosopher called Jason Pagan, and he adds to John Collison's observation.

Speaker 30 (01:19:56):
The single most important thing any young person needs to
know before going out into the world, The world is
a museum of passion projects. Things around you weren't always there.
People them happen that hotel, that parked that railway. For me,
I didn't begin to understand until I became a homeowner.
Every single minute you own that house, it is trying

(01:20:18):
to return itself to the dust. The moment you repair
one thing that went wrong, immediately something else breaks a
metaphor for everything you're going to try to do in life. Truly,
staying on top of it requires so much energy. It
has to become a passion project, not to maintain a
home that is absolutely impeccable, but just to keep it

(01:20:39):
from falling down around your ears. Everything is like this,
your marriage, your friendships, your health. And if you grew
up with a roof over your head, somebody's passion and
tenacity kept that roof from leaking. It should be impossible
to be cynical if you truly internalize it, because everything
you touch with somebody else's passion project. And none of

(01:21:00):
this is obvious when you're a kid, because when you
come into the world, you are just consuming things. And
the way society works now you're encouraged to stay in
that mindset as a consumer, and so it is really
easy to lose track of one how hard it is
to make all of that stuff, and two how hard
all of us have to work just to keep this going.

(01:21:20):
And by this I mean everything everything you touch wants
to rot and rust and crumble, and preventing that requires steady,
heroic effort on the part of you and many many
people you will never meet. So yes, this is both
inspirational and terrifying. Welcome to the adult world.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Yeah, every single minute you own a house, it's trying
to return itself to the dust. How true is that?
And everything you touch is someone else's passion product project.
It's steep stuff. So what I'm trying to do is
look around at this other stuff that people have boaten made,
the institutions, the facilities, the roads, whatever it is, the

(01:22:02):
water system, and just be grateful for all the effot
that other people put into the world we walk around in.
It's a museum of passion projects. But right now I
want to talk about something else. The number to get
hold of me on is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
and I want to talk about dogs in cafes, supermarkets
and on tennis courts. Like most New Zealanders, I love dogs.

(01:22:26):
In fact, my dog Colin, he's a snack that's a
Mini Schnauzer Jack Russell cross. And he's listening at home
right now on the Google Home speaker. I leave it
on to keephim company when I'm at work. So hello, Colin,
What a good boy, Colin. You're such a good boy.

Speaker 12 (01:22:42):
Colin.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Hey Conin, hey coin, You're a good boy.

Speaker 27 (01:22:44):
Colin.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
So anyway, he's home, but he should be here with
me at work. Or in whatever shop or cafe or
restaurant I want to be in with him. You may
have heard this story last week. World number one Anna
Sabalinka has been had been will She tried to get

(01:23:06):
Wimbledon to relax it's no dog's policy after being unable
to bring her Cavalier King Charles Spaniel ash on site.
My dad, you said, for Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, called
forest anyway, Wimbledon said no, no docks. The French Open
allows players to bring their dogs, but Wimbledon only permits
service and security jogs dogs. So Sabalinka, she said that dogs.

(01:23:31):
You know that tennis players dogs are well trained and
emotionally important. But Coco Gough reckons dogs should be kept
out of gyms, locker rooms and food areas because they
are un clean. But what do you think about dogs
in different places? I was in a massive hardware store

(01:23:52):
the other day and I saw two people walking around
with their dogs. A one was a big black lab
and someone else had some sort of humiliating poodle cross. Meanwhile,
I've left my dog Colin in the car like a
Schmark and look. I personally think there isn't too many
places we shouldn't allow dogs. I can't really think of
any maybe an operating theater. But what do you think?

(01:24:13):
Should people be able to bring their dogs into shops
and cafes and supermarkets and wherever they like? Or do
you think dogs should stay at home or in the car?
Is it rude and inconsiderate to bring dogs into publics
indoor spaces? What do you reckon? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Are you like me and think dogs rule and we

(01:24:35):
should take them wherever we want? Give us the call,
we'll be back and just a few minutes us dog
zed be welcome back. Dogs aren't allowed at Wilbledon Wimbledon,
but should they be allowed in more places? In New Zealand?
Do you take your dog into the supermarket? For example?
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You're listening to Matt ethon

(01:24:56):
used Talks z B. This Texas says, no, dogs urinate
and stink and are dangerous. Dogs should not be in
supermarkets or restaurants or cafes. This Texas says, yes, I
took my dog into a cafe the other day. I
was told no dogs, so I left. We'll never go back.
If you want business, get dog friendly, The stick says,

(01:25:18):
why do you people think others want dogs in the workplace?
People may be polite, but rest assure your mates do
not want your stinking mut in the room with them.
Keep it at home.

Speaker 27 (01:25:30):
See.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
I think there's lots of occasions where someone brings their
dog to work and then that dog brings a lot
of joy to the workplace. I've seen a number of
situations like that. I'm thinking about a dog in Topaun
called Bennie who goes into work every day and everyone
else in the workplace absolutely loves Bennie. Or are they
pretending neck your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
Yeah, just to follow up what you said. I mean,
I've been in workplace situations where someone's brought the dog
in and people that have walped and I've got a
lovely fellow and they made a fuss and throwing a
little ball, and that's sort of England actually cheers people up.
A lot of people are going unless you love dogs
a word, yeah, and that's going to find the job.
I mean, my thinking is it's just relating back to

(01:26:13):
your conversation earlier on about raising children in the same
way you've got to raise your dog. Now, imagine what
would happen if you said, you know, your child can
stay at home all day, or your child doesn't go
out into the world where your child doesn't become socialized,
and it doesn't have corrective behavior to behave properly in public,
exactly what a well behaved dog should have. It needs training.

(01:26:36):
Then you take it out and expose it to environments
so that it learns, it learns to be comfortable in environments.
You don't do that, you go have a psychotic mut.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yeah, I'd agree, and I'd agree that you know, if
you know that your dog is a psychotic mut then
definitely don't go taking it into a cafe or an hotel.
But I mean hotel looking for a bit, I'm like
a bar, whatever, a supermarket. But if it's not, then
then you know, you know, you know, that's a bad
person that takes a dog that is going to be

(01:27:09):
problems somewhere. But most most people aren't like that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
If there's a couple of cafes I've been into and
it traveled around the South Island and they do let
your dog in provided your dog's well behaved and not
crap in everywhere. The otherwise you're out of the door
and there are so many time creping.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
There's no dog lover in the world that would support
a dog crepping in a cafe, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
And doesn't interfere, and it's it's close to you and
it's on the lease, that's fine. But you know, in
so many times, I think it'd be cool to go
in there and not have to leave the dog in
the car. Why can't I sit on the deck or
just outside the cafe or something or something. Maybe a
cafe can have a specific dog section where, you know,

(01:27:54):
where people could sit with a dog and have a
coffee rather than think I'm going to leave the dog
in the car the engine going and you know, hopefully
the engine doesn't break down, run the airic on that
sort of thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Yeah, And further to your point that you made before,
there was a lot of dogs that were coming out
of the car Ovide area era. People got dogs in
that time for companionship, but because everything was locked down,
they didn't get they didn't get socialized in the way
dogs should, and that that leads to a crazy dog.
And you pretty much know when there's a dog that's

(01:28:25):
going to be a problem with other dogs or a
problem with other people havevid. Thank you so much for
you call, Nick. I appreciate it.

Speaker 30 (01:28:31):
This.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Oh, let's go to Rose. Welcome to the show. What
do you think about dogs in public places?

Speaker 31 (01:28:38):
I think they should be allowed, really because they're really
really love lovely preachers. And like you said, during COVID,
a lot of people were turning to dogs for companionship.
And we did get a dog as well during COVID,
and he hasn't met a lot of dogs, but is
one of the most well behaved dogs that I know.

(01:28:59):
I take him to work as well, and all my
patients love him. I take him maybe about once a week,
and he brings joy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
To what kind of patience if you got.

Speaker 31 (01:29:09):
Elderly andalative you need so yeah, yeah, I think. I
think sometimes we put dogs like in in in a
situation where if we need them, they're allowed, But if
we don't, then how come they're not allowed, Like for example,
if there's an earthquake in Venezuela, they're allowed to go

(01:29:30):
in places like that, but if they come to restaurants
they're dirty and they're they're not they're not allowed. I
don't understand that why. And even Italy allows dogs in
supermarkets and they've had they didn't have any trouble with that,
So I think we can be more open to having
dogs allowed in public public places.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
No I mentioned. So you're dogs, so you're taking them
to people, you're visiting elderly people, and dogs are real icebreakers,
aren't they. So because someone can get asked the dog,
they can focus on the dog, and well they're focusing
on the dog, then you can have a conversation. They're
just it's for some reason, it's easier than just talking
to another human. Another human with the dog is the
easiest person to mate in the world.

Speaker 31 (01:30:13):
Yes, definitely.

Speaker 14 (01:30:14):
Yes.

Speaker 31 (01:30:14):
And those people that think that dogs are smelly and
are are you know, like they're not well behaved, I
think they have to give the owners maybe a chance
they need to ask, or maybe why your dogs are
are smelling like that or things like that. They can
just completely just oh, I don't like that dog because
it's smelly. I don't like that dogs because I've met

(01:30:35):
a dog that's and really they can't. It's the same
as people you meet people who are they also have
different personalities. So you can just put one dog breed
or one dog in a box and just dislike them
because of one one bad experience. I just don't like
when people say that as well with about dogs, because
we can't say that about any other creature or any

(01:30:57):
other human being, any other nationality.

Speaker 29 (01:31:00):
So yes, I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Think if you call Rose and look, I can just
imagine how much joy that Roses dogs will bring to
her pace when she goes around there. You remember the name,
you go, look if it was my dog, be like, oh,
Colin Color, because I know I think my dog brings
He doesn't do anything else really, it's ever bring joy
to the world. I mean, he's not a working dog.

Speaker 30 (01:31:20):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
We're talking about dogs in public spaces? Where should they
be and not be? Are they banned from York place?
If so, why what he reckons? Should they be allowed
in supermarkets? The time is three point twenty four on
News Talk zed B, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Afternoons call oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on
News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
It is three twenty six and you're listening to Matt
Heath and we are talking about dogs in public places. Look, mates,
is this Texter dogs are great well apart from the
psycho vicious ones. However, there's just some places that ain't
for dogs are on with cocoa. Bunnings has gone to
the dogs, and I know it sounds rough, but I

(01:32:06):
won't go into any eating a steaf aublishments that have
doggie dining right. The stick says I'd take dogs over
people wearing pajamas out. Yeah, the people wearing pajamas out.
Although I was my partner Tracy, she takes so many
bags to work it's hard to get my head around.
There's one for the gym, there's one for a change

(01:32:26):
of costume during the day or something, and there's one
for lunch. She takes four four bags out every day. Anyways,
in my winter pajamas, which she brought me. But I
was helped take her stuff out into the driveway and
someone drove past and said, nice jarmis. So I was

(01:32:46):
one of those people that was out about in the armies.
But in my defense, I was only fifty meters from
the house. Yes, well behaved dogs on leads should be
allowed to go anywhere within reason. It would go a
long way to helping improve the way people regard dogs
and think it's okay to treat them. High On the weekend,
we were in a bar in St. Heliers and there

(01:33:06):
was a dog which was very well, but it absolutely stunk,
which put us off her food, so we left. I
mean yeah, I mean within reason. If your dog absolutely
freaking stinks, then you can't take it into a restaurant.
I mean that's a basic right. I mean it's like,

(01:33:27):
if anything stinks, it's not that I mean, dogs are
going to stink slightly more than humans, but if it
stinks so much as putting people off your food, then
that's outrageous. And look, for some reason it makes more
sense to take a dog into a cafe than it
does into a fine dining restaurant at night. I'm not
sure exactly why that is all right, I say dogs

(01:33:48):
should be allowed nearly everywhere humans want to go. Am
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Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Thanks Scarlet. It is three point thirty two. I'm Madheath.
Welcome to news Talk zeb B and you may have
seen the story. Last week, World number one Anna Siberlelinka
said that weird Saberlinka was pushing Wimbledon to relax it's
no dog's policy. They didn't care and said no dogs
for you Siblinka. She says players dogs are well trained

(01:35:36):
and emotionally important. But what do you think about dogs
and public places? Should dogs be allowed in shops, cafes, supermarkets,
wherever else? Or is it rude and consider it to
bring them into indoor public spaces? Are they unclean? Are
we becoming too dog friendly? Or are the anti dog
people the real problem? Love to hear from you. On
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Jacob, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 15 (01:35:58):
Hey mate, Yeah, I reckon. Well, they hope dogs should
be allowed in most places that people can go. I mean,
if you've got a a reactive or a poorly behaved dog,
it's a bit of a different story that they should
be taken. They shouldn't be taken everywhere, but if your
dogs come under control on a lead, I don't see

(01:36:19):
why they shouldn't be be welcome. I take my dog.
I've got a little Japanese spits cross border collie, nice
and she loves going in the car, so you know,
I always feel bad leaving the house without her.

Speaker 12 (01:36:31):
What's her name, Tricksy, trick is her name?

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Tricksy?

Speaker 15 (01:36:36):
Yeah, And I take it with me to Bunnings and
Ma Depen and lots of cafes and Hamilton where you
can eat outside, you can sit outside, you know, Like
I can understand not not wanting dogs in the supermarket
and stuff, but it's just it just comes down to
how well behaved. So I having a little kid with you,
you know, yeah, sometimes your kid's going to take something

(01:36:57):
off off the shelf or something, but you can always
put it back.

Speaker 27 (01:37:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Well, I reckon a kid, might be if people talking
about hygiene, I reckon a kid is you know, I
love children, love dogs of children. But a kid's got hands,
and it's got you know, it's gonna have its finger
up its nose everywhere. I mean, a dog is just
going to snuff around at people's feet, right, I don't know.
I don't know whether a dog actually brings that much
disease compared to you know, you could have a kid

(01:37:21):
running around it suddenly picks its nose and puts it
in the delicatess and potato sell it. The dog's never
going to do that.

Speaker 15 (01:37:27):
Yeah, yeah, No, I mean my dog's clean. She's she's
a white, fluffy dog and you can tell pretty pretty
quickly when she gets dirty. Yeah yeah, I mean what.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Does Trixy smell? What does Tricky smell like? Because we
had a quarter before who had to leave a cafe
because as much as they love dogs, the dog that
was next to them in the cafe stunk too much
and put them off their food. As Tricky a sweet
smelling dog she is, I've.

Speaker 15 (01:37:56):
Never had a problem. We do bus there quite regularly
as well. So yeah, I mean sometimes her breath smells,
but that's a bad all.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Yeah, I mean it's hard to get it hard to
get a dog's breath up to sprat.

Speaker 15 (01:38:10):
Working on that one. We've got six puppies at the moment,
so it's quite hard to keep on top of it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
You've got six puppies, We sure.

Speaker 15 (01:38:18):
Do spit spits cross border Collie puppies.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Are you are you selling them or if we had
an accident or what's happened there, Jacob, No, we are.

Speaker 15 (01:38:27):
They are up to sale. They're on they're on trade me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:38:30):
Designer, designer bought a Collie cross puppies. We've got them
up for two.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Grand designer spitz Border Collie crosses. Yes, and whereabouts you
are you?

Speaker 15 (01:38:43):
We're in the Bay of Plenty. We're in Cuddy Cutty.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Okay. If you're if you're in the in the business
for a designer spits bord across Collie, then head on
to train men and look it up and Jacob might
be able to help you out.

Speaker 15 (01:38:55):
So good, we've sold three. So we've got three boys,
black and white boys left that they're adorable and they
have great personalities.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Good on you, and they don't think they don't stink.
My Colin, who's, as I said before, as a Jack
Russell many snails across. If I even say bath, and
as I said before, he's listening because he listens to
the show in the afternoons because he's alone at home
and so I leave the radio on. But if if
I'm saying bath now right now, just the word bath

(01:39:24):
means that he'll have run and hid under a chair
or under a bed somewhere, absolutely terrified of a bath
and very stinky.

Speaker 7 (01:39:33):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
I wasn't show Ben you reckon no to dogs and eateries.

Speaker 12 (01:39:38):
Not at all, Matt.

Speaker 27 (01:39:39):
Yeah, it's all about anywhere you know, restaurants or baked
tear rooms, that sort of thing. It's it's all about
hygiene them, Matt. I mean, I mean, I mean the
dog people. They love their dogs, I think their own kids.
They treat them like that. But people that don't are
not used to dogs are you know, I don't want
them around the trees.

Speaker 7 (01:40:00):
You know.

Speaker 27 (01:40:01):
They dogs do a lot of liquor love you know
where you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Yeah, I mean they lock, you know, they look, they
look parts of each other that would be not polite
if humans were doing it themselves.

Speaker 27 (01:40:18):
They do they at you know where Yeah, you know
that the the owner hands and they're not just just
all about hygiene. I mean, I mean dog people love
their dogs, and they weren't in anywhere from everywhere. But
it's all about so.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Not not not not in a cafe. No, the dogs
in a cafe.

Speaker 27 (01:40:38):
They're something not you know, hygiene, that's the main thing.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
I mean.

Speaker 27 (01:40:42):
People see dogs and they do their licking here there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
What about what about what about a supermarket? Ben Because
because I reckon that that kids, as I was saying before,
I think kids have probably got a bigger chance of
putting something disgusting and some food than a dog running
around at ankle height.

Speaker 27 (01:41:00):
Yeah, I think I think it's just a thing, just
in an animal, and I'm just humans and animals you
make the dogs don't think they're human.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
We're good on you, Ben, Thank you, Carl. Do you
agree with Ben and you think that dogs should not
be anywhere that food is being served? Or do you
go with me and you think that dogs should be
welcome and basically everywhere humans are welcome. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number you're listening to Matt
heath On used Talks. He'd be and it is twenty

(01:41:32):
two minutes to four. A fresh take on talkback. It's
Matt heath and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on
eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talks. B It is
three forty one and you're listening to me Matt heath
On used Talks. He'd be dogs a band from Wimbledon,
but should be they should they be allowed in cafes, markets,
hardway stores and other places humans go in New Zealand.

(01:41:54):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty anything that licks its own
but shouldn't be allowed in a restaurant. Okay, it's to
the point, Malcolm, you're not a fan.

Speaker 28 (01:42:08):
That last comment could get a bit of reaction, mate,
anything that they could apply to two lego people anyway.
There's just an experience with a small dog in a
cafe and a central lor of Island Town. These people
the dog was sitting sort of down by the chair
quite quietly for most of the time I was there

(01:42:28):
with a guest, and and then they picked it up
and had it on The guy picked it up and
had it on his lap and was feeding it scraps
off his plate and then let it walk over all
over the table.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Yeah, that's not right.

Speaker 28 (01:42:41):
I'm picking up picking off as partner's plate on the
other side of the table.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
That's not only a small dog.

Speaker 28 (01:42:47):
You know, sitting on a plate, but that's front legs
on the table and they let it climb up on
the table.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Look mate, like Malcolm, I'm a dog lover, but that
you can't have the dog up on the table or
eating off the off the off the plates. That's that's disgusting.
That's great.

Speaker 28 (01:43:01):
If they do their home, it's their own their own home.
Oone rooms. You know, but but the fact is I
want to make common to it about to the people
in the cafe, and they said, we're picked friendly. If
you don't like it, we won't list you, right, Okay,
needless to say, if I haven't gone back, and I'll
spread the word amongst a lot of friends who would

(01:43:21):
go there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Okay, Malcolm, Yeah, I mean that's another thing. It's like,
so if you're not dog friendly, you might miss out
on dog friendly people. But if you aren't also aware
that some people are disgusted by some people having their
dog eat off the table, then you'll lose those customers. Moira,
what are you waking No, definitely not.

Speaker 32 (01:43:42):
And I think there's all sorts of reasons, and not
just the hygiene. I had an experienced a while ago
with the dogs, so I'm a bit apprehensive of dog
So I have to go into my deteen with someone's
driven there with their dog to take it inside, to
walk around the shop and have it come running up
at me on a lead and sniff them, saying, oh
it's okay, it won't hurt you. You know, there are
time and places everywhere. I do love dogs, but to

(01:44:06):
be pushed into someone's place and the caf in the shop.
I just think it's just unreasonable.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Yeah, fair enough, entitled to your opinion. What about a
really cute little dog like my dog Colin, that would
just would just warm your heart and win you over
as soon as you saw And Moira, no, not in shops.

Speaker 32 (01:44:24):
Off and proteicically, not food places. And again I've seen
someone sitting at a table with the dog next to them,
feeding it off the table. That's what you're discussing. I
like dogs, but I mean there's a time and a place,
and we are in control of them, whereas people are
treating them as their children.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
And I think I think there's a lot of that.
I think that's a lot of that going on with
people having less children. I think dogs are being elevated
to levels have ever been at before. Thank you for
your call, Moira Ron. How are you this afternoon? What
are you reckon about dogs and cafes and such?

Speaker 7 (01:44:58):
I got a cafe rule and they let dogs in there,
and my mate brings his dogs in there and it's
a bulldog called Graham, and completely food is crazy and
so yeah, and so I thought I'll take my little
dog down. I've got a little cherry across Otis who's

(01:45:22):
completely alpha male, and I took him in there. He's
smart the other dog because he'd been sitting on the
couch and he cleaned on the couch. Oh oh no,
I had to go and say to the lady on
dogs a cup of tea. He can you, But no,
I don't really think dogs should be allowed in cafes myself.
The dog.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
They definitely shouldn't be peeing. I mean, that's too far
eating off the table and peeing. I mean, but that's
the you know, if a human came into a cafe
and peede somewhere, and they should be kicked out as well.
But I mean people need to know, you know, with dogs,
you need to know what kind of dog you've got,
And it is really on up to the human. If
you've got a dog that you think there's any possibily

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they're going to be in the cafe, then then you've
got to keep it out there. Thanks for you call, Ron,
appreciate it, David, welcome to the show.

Speaker 22 (01:46:07):
Oh, thank you very much. Look, I just wanted to
tell you listeners that in Germany, dogs are allowed in restaurants.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Right, all restaurants, all time of day.

Speaker 22 (01:46:19):
The owner of the restaurant can say no, yep, then
that's then that's no. But generally dogs are allowed. As
long as they sit under a table quietly, yep, and
don't googs any barking or anything like that, they are allowed.
And that's in the majority of restaurants in Germany.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Right, It's interesting because you know, I'm a big fan
of dogs, and I think they should. You know, obviously,
a private company can do whatever they want. A private
business can decide whether they want dogs or not. But
I think it's kind of weird to take them to
a nice restaurant at night. I went to a fantastic
restaurant last night called Gilt. I just it would have
been really weird for me to just walk in with

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with my dog. Well, people are spending, you know, hundreds
and hundreds of dollars on a beautiful dinner. To be honest,
Gilt's fantastic and fun. If you haven't been, yeah, but yeah,
that's fun.

Speaker 22 (01:47:08):
Inneral rule in Jermy you can do it, but you
have to have okay with the owner of the restaurant.

Speaker 16 (01:47:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
I mean, I've been to and I'm just hearing a
lot of people saying across Europe they're much more friendly
to dogs than they are here. But there's also the
case in America. I mean, they've got support animals in
the States. So you get on a plane and people
have their dogs on on on a plane, which is
which which seems quite quite extreme to me. But but
you know, I mean, I mean, I know that Colin

(01:47:37):
would behave on it. But I mean, can you can
you be guaranteed that you for the tire flight, that
your dog's not going to be somewhere. Hey, thank you
so much for your call, David, appreciate it. Matt says
this text, you have absolutely lost the plot. No to
dogs anywhere there is food, as it is disgustingly unhygienic.
They don't need to be exercised in mine to ten.

(01:47:58):
I guarantee that everyone that has said it's okay have
pathetic little lap dogs that sit on their lap at
the cafe and get hand fed from the plate. For
the love of God, get a grip. This text also
says they lock their genitalia then they're at a table, disgusting. No,
sing Hi, guys, I don't mind dogs anywhere, but I

(01:48:21):
make exception when overpaid. You sween rockstar tennis players want
to take their pet toys into such a large event
as womanden. I've never seen or heard anything so pretentious
for a long time. Cheers for that, Chestics. This is
this is a contentious issue, Hi, Matt. I would rather
have the smell of a dog than the dirty, smelly

(01:48:43):
man I was in a service station with this afternoon.
That's from Joe, all right, A very very contentious issue.
I wait on hundred and eighty ten eighty Where should
dogs be allowed to be and where should they not
allowed to be? In New Zealand. You listen to news
Talk said be it is twelve minutes to four, the.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Used talk z be all right, jeez, all right, just
got distracted there. It is nine minutes to four on
news Talk z B Kate, we're talking about dogs and cafes.
What do you reckon?

Speaker 33 (01:49:24):
No, I don't agree with that. I just I work
in a cafe and I just I don't think that
dogs should be inside. And also the other thing is
that some people we had had them, you know, someone
ordered dog and not told us. The lady sitting next
to them started to have some pretty serious reactions to

(01:49:44):
the dog. We didn't know it was there, and all
of a sudden the dog comes out a little can big.
You know, it's not okay?

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
And so just do you guys have a sign up
saying no dogs or do you just go get your
dog out of here when someone brings it in?

Speaker 33 (01:50:00):
No, just a little bit of a little fit of
water outside, you know. So the dogs are welcome outside
the support dogs like for the blind, and they're allowed
obviously the year. Yeah, we didn't even tuned them away,
any little handbag dog or anything like that. It's just

(01:50:20):
out for a little bride. No, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
And do you are you a dog lover?

Speaker 25 (01:50:25):
Kate?

Speaker 33 (01:50:26):
I've got my own little money desh And yeah, absolutely
love dog.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Okay. What about okay, so cafes no for you? What
about supermarkets?

Speaker 33 (01:50:35):
Oh god, no, leave them at home. I don't want
to be there anymore than no leaving at home.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
But what if.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
It's it's been leaving them in the car or bringing
them into the supermarket on a hot day?

Speaker 33 (01:50:44):
Cake, I don't leave your dog in the car, don't
take your dogs, don't take it in the car, just
leave it. They're happy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Okay. Finally, okay, what about Hardby store?

Speaker 33 (01:50:56):
Infinitely not definitely no no dogs at home.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Thank you for your call, Kate Gerard. Your thoughts on this.

Speaker 10 (01:51:09):
Well, we went to a majestic cafe in Prebleton, christ
Church the other day man, my wife and a friend
and there was a dog outside and he was kind
of barking. It was a beautiful Golden Retriever and I
was going to go up and panamize, and I thought,
the owner's inside, he's outside, it's cool. But when the

(01:51:33):
owner come out, he unleashed them, he stopped barking, and
the cafe pulled out food for the dog.

Speaker 12 (01:51:42):
They put out biscuits.

Speaker 10 (01:51:44):
And water, and you know, I thought that was so marvelous.
So that cafe to do that the dogs. Yeah, and
I just think it's bloody marvelous.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Well, there's a big market though, wasn't there of people
that are walking their dogs, you know, and cafes off
and around break breakfast time, lunchtime or whatever. That's that's
when people are correct. Especially in the weekends, people go
walking their dogs. So there's a lot of business to
be had from from dog walkers.

Speaker 10 (01:52:10):
Yep and black and white around by the Oven River.
They let the dogs sit outside and people entertain them,
and you know it's marvelous, but you know there is
a it's up to the owner, you know, the.

Speaker 26 (01:52:28):
Or no.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, thank you for your call, Jared, and Kay,
you're our final caller. We've got about six high.

Speaker 34 (01:52:39):
I was in the cafe the other day and there
was a beautiful black Lebradi and they're working dogs, and
yes they should be allowed in the if they're a
working dog.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Oh, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 34 (01:52:48):
He was beautiful, but no, I wouldn't want them on
the tables.

Speaker 12 (01:52:54):
He was.

Speaker 34 (01:52:55):
He was a delightful and I have no objections to
any dog at all. They controlled good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Thank you so much for your call. All right, what
a great discussion that has been. I think, look on
the balance, people don't want dogs a Cava's judgement, the
texts and calls on that. Thank you so much for listening,
and thank you for all your calls and texts. The
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