Full Show Podcast: 08 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello Green, New Zealand, and welcome to Matt and Tyler
Full Show Podcast number two five nine for the eighth
of December. What topics didn't we get to today?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
We were gonna have a chat about is the Christmas
holiday too long? And we're all a bunch of lazy
buggers and we need to get back to work early,
But we didn't get to it.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
So great topic. Let's still it tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's on the cards tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
So just booz and movies on the show today.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
That's all you need for a Monday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
There's always some great callers.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
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Speaker 4 (00:50):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Big stories, the weak issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
News Talk said, be very good afternoon to you. Welcome
into Monday Show. Hopefully it was a up a weekend
for you wherever you are in this beautiful country of ours.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Get I Matt yet a tyler, get everyone, thanks for
tuning in fantastic weekends. On a personal note, I built
a couple of planter boxes with my good mate Mike.
That was fun, very hot, looks good.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
I've got to say you showed me the we video slick.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I was calved in lotion, but still the back of
my neck took an absolute pounding from the sun.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Have you got one of those punishing hats that's got
the weed bill on the back.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Or no, no, no, no, I've got too much shame
for that. Hey, I've got a question for you.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
And this is something for people to think about across
the break with their families and such. This isn't what
we're talking about this hour, but it's just should Is
it rude to bring up politics? I was at a
thing in the weekend and someone came at me hard
with their politics, and it's just an assumption. So what
are you supposed to say when someone comes at you
with a big statement about the current state of a

(02:04):
political issue in the country. Are I know with your
mate so I get it, or people that you know, Yeah,
but just coming at a stranger hard with the opening lines?
I think I think it's no fun.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Oh it's the most awkward thing ever.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, because because you're supposed to just get into a
debate at that point, you know, blasting off at you
a bunch of things that are factually incorrect. You know,
at a barbecue is at the time where you're fact
checking people and coming back and forth, and you know,
isn't it a time for just stupid jokes and pleasantries.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Definitely keep barbicane, but keep politics out of the barbecue,
because that's the point. As soon as you bite back
and you want to have a bit of a debate
and maybe you push back on some of the things
that they're saying, you become the bad guy. All of
a sudden, it's on you. At this the other night
that you know, it was a gentle back and forward,
but then I was accused of being awkward and ruining.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
The night, so hack in a minute, someone.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Came at me with all this political chat. I just,
you know, I just engaged, and I shouldn't have engaged.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
And that's the point. Never.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I think some people are so entrenched in their bubble
that they think that everyone agrees with them. They've never
run and you know, whatever workplace they're at. They've never
run into anyone that has anything but an opposing opinion,
So it's like they're describing the weather. Yeah, but these
are truths.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Anyway, I think, I think, I think maybe, unless you
know the person is down for a political chat, probably
just talk about the bangers.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, Now that's a rule we can all live by
this summer. Right on to today's show after three o'clock.
Big news over the weekend that Netflix is set to
acquire Warner Brothers and HBO Max And a one hundred
and twenty five billion dollar deal that will reshape the
global streaming lank landscape. So it's got the potential to
impact on how and where key we see their favorite show.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
That is a huge deal. Obviously, one hundred and twenty
five a billion New Zealand dollars is one of the
bigger deals we've seen in sometime.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, and Netflix is controversially head of programming has said
that people want to watch movies at home and not
at the movie theater. And of course Warner Brothers is
one of the great movie making companies. They've got some
hugely important assets the DC World Batman. So now Netflix

(04:22):
owns all that and their idea is we don't want
people going out to the movies. So that is that
is huge, isn't it? That is because that means a
lot for movie theaters, people that work in there, and
and just the ability to go out to these movie
theaters and watch, watch, watch a film which I love.
I went to see pred of the bad Lands the
other day at an event cinema. It was fantastic. What

(04:44):
a great.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Experience, showcases of the beauty and New Zealand that film.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
As well, doesn't it. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Absolutely, if you want to love New Zealand, go and
watch that film. Outstanding And I.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Think seeing that in the movie theater was fantastic. But
Netflix want to stop all that? Yeah, what.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Do you say on that? That is after three o'clock?
After two o'clock Now, the Prime Minister was grilled on
this this morning with Heather, who's filling in for Mike
at the moment as we know. But it started off
with a opinion piece from a guy called Toss Grumbley.
That's an unfortunate name, but he's a business advisor. Toss Grumley.
There must be a nickname, but he's a business advisor.
And I think he's quite renowned in.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
To get that name.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
It's certain circles.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
But he argued that the New Zealand summer break is
too extreme. He's just a little bit of what he said,
the summer break seems to be extending, leaving less room
for leave later in the year. But the most concerning
part is the circle back mid February mentality, which means
while many are at work, they aren't doing much productive work.
And mentioned Prime Minister Christopher Luxen, and he tended to agree.
We'll play a little bit of their audio later on,

(05:45):
but he did tend to agree with some of those elements, saying, yeah,
we're too lazy over Christmas.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, I get that. I always pushed back on productivity.
I'll talk about this later. I think it's kind of
like a piano accordion. You're only going to do so
much in the year. Yeah, and so if you don't
have a holiday here, you know, maybe you speed things
up either side. You know, maybe you do more business
in February because everything shut down in January. I don't know,
let's chat about it, but I think that the New

(06:12):
Zealand summer is part of our psyche forgetting what data
is Jandles going to the beach, just becoming sort of
feral for a while. I think that's a really important
part of who we are, and I think we should
have an economy such that it takes it into account.
That's just my personal opinion. I love to hear yours

(06:32):
on I e. One hundred and eighteen eighty after two.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
You painted a beautiful picture.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, but right now, let's have a chat about drinking
and the so called anti alcohol movement. So best Ellen.
Author American professor Scott Galloway. He was on real time
with Bill Maher last week over in the United States.
So they made the case that young men should be
drinking more and taking more risks, particularly when it comes
to dating.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Here is a little bit of that interview.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
The final thing I love that you said in the
book tip to men, drink more. Safety is important. You
can't overdo drinking. It is also, as you point out,
a lubricant to get to that place where you were
talking to other people and socializing. It's not to excess,
but yes, it's drinking a little bit, maybe sometimes a
little too much when you're on a lesson is probably

(07:18):
better than sitting in that basement.

Speaker 6 (07:22):
The second worst thing to happen to young people is
remote work. One and three. Relationships begin at work. This
is where you find friends, mentors, and mates, and especially
young men need the guardrails of a workplace. But in
my view, the worst thing that's happened to young people
is the anti alcohol movement. I've had Huberman on who
I'm a big fan of an antion and my point
is that the risk to your twenty five year old
liver are risk are dwarfed by the risk of social

(07:45):
isolation in some Think of all the amazing relationships you've
had in your life, and be honest, did alcohol play
a role in some? Get out, drink more and make
a series of bad decisions in my payoff.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, it's a compelling argument. It's a neu compelling argument.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Boom, I loved it.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah, get in this God.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
So is the worst thing to happen to young people
the anti alcohol movement eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
What are he's saying? And Professor Scott Galloway's very smart man,
fantastic author, incredibly successful businessman, a professor he still lectures
even though incredibly rich. I've interviewed him a couple of times. Yeah,
once my book and you know, as a zoom chat

(08:25):
with him sitting beside his giant Paul and Florida. He's smart,
but he puts things in such a way as they
get a reaction, right, And so that's classic Professor Scott
Galloway to say the worst thing to happen to young
people is the NTL cohol movement. It gets people talking.
What he's really saying is that everything in life has
trade offs, and he's saying that the health risks of

(08:47):
moderate alcohol use are worse than the mental health career
and social risks of loneliness and isolation. So do you
do you agree? Did did alcohol lead to connections both social, romantic,
or in your life? Or do you think this take
just sort of glamorizes drinking and it ignores other ways
that people could me I'll read out a text again

(09:10):
that I read out before, which I thought was interesting before.
You know, we go nationwide at one, so we have
a we have some countries, some parts of the country
join us at twelve something going on.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
We're not meant to talk about it, but we talk
about it because it's.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
We're supposed to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
I don't know scret. Everybody knows I'm.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
An honest guy.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yeah, got to be transparent.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
This texter said, I would rather my son was out
at a pub having a drink with friends that were
that where he van where he is on Friday Saturday nights,
locked in his room, refusing to do anything. I would
be happy to pick him up rotten. I'd be more
happy to pick him up rotten than just seeing him rot.
So I thought was written quite nicely by this mum.

(09:49):
So what do you think about that? It's it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
It's a it's an interesting argument, and I think you
know the way he put it was incredibly compelling. But
what do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eight,
I'll just say the compelling part there is the idea
and you mentioned it before that everything has a certain risk,
and on that health risk, and I think he's got
a fair point that the risk so your liver, in
your general health by moderate drinking. There's clearly a risk
involved there. And he mentioned Andrew Huberman who's been he's

(10:15):
a big anti alcohol man at the moment.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
He's no drinks. Here's a no drinks guy now, yep.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Versus that social isolation, the ability to go out and
meet people and make some bad decisions and form some
of the greatest relationships you'll ever have in your life.
For a lot of people, me included, that was brought
on by a little bit of booze.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
So the booze gave you the Dutch courage to ask
that lady out on a date yep, or talk to
a superior in your workplace such that you've got a
promotion that kind of thing. Or is this just function
a function of a society where we equate alcohol with

(10:56):
those kind of opportunities, where that the alcohol isn't necessarily
the thing that's doing that, it's just the way we
do it. So that's where we think it's acceptable to
approach people. You know, it's a fair argument because you
could argue that you join a choir. I don't know
why I keep bring up quoirse during a good time,
you bring a social sports team, any one of those things,

(11:18):
then you maybe you could have these interactions without alcohol.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yes, interesting point, and I think there's fair christals on there.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
But especially for men. And he's written his latest book,
which is fantastic. I slip in the name of it,
slipped my mind, but say For example, Tyler, if I
asked you, would you like to go out for a
walk with me? If I texted you on a Saturday afternoon,
I said, it's a beautiful day. Would you like to
go for a walk and a chat with me? That

(11:47):
would be quite a socially awkward thing to say to you.
But if I said, hey, Tyler, do you want to
come for a beer? Then that would be socially acceptable definitely.
But both would have the outcome of us chatting.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Because you need that crutch. I think for men in general,
you need something on the side rather than just having
a chat, to make it a little.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Bit more comfortable. But what do you say? Oh, eight
hundred eighty and eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Chris says if people would stop hosting their problems on
Facebook and drink alcohol, the world would be a better place.
And bear is proof God loves us and wants us
to be happy. Okay, Yeah, but alcohol is also the
proof of the yin and yan of life, because you
fly so high and then the next day you know,
there's there's the there's the Hanks anxiety as they call it,

(12:31):
the next day.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Which can be awful.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call if you want to send a teacher
more than welcome.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Nine two ninety two is that number. Have we gone
too far with anti alcohol, particularly when it comes to
young people socializing?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
The ironically named Chery says not good alcohol is a depressant.
This professor was one hundred percent in the wrong. My
sister was killed by a drunk driver three times over
the legal limit. Oh my god, this is irresponsible for
you to even be talking about this and promoting this.
Now you've got to talk about everything. Chery, absolutely, and
that is very very very grim or MBDy your sister,

(13:05):
and I feel for you, but I think I think
to talking about things is the way we work them out.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
It is eighteen past one. Bag very shortly the.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Big stories, the big issues, to the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 9 (13:20):
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
They'd be for a good afternoon, tu you. Twenty one
past one. We are talking about a comment from Professor
Scott Galloway, very well known professor and best selling author.
He was on an American chat show and I'm paraphrasing here,
but he effectively said, in his view, the number one
worst thing to happen to young people is the anti
alcohol movement. The risk to liver in general health with

(13:46):
moderate drinking is dwarfed by the risk of social isolation.
So what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Peter, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (13:55):
Hey, Hey, you blend you. Hey. I'm reminded of something
that the comedian Drew Cherry said, And there's something along
the lines of, Oh, you don't like your boss, your
job sucks your love life down the toilet. You want
to support group, Well, here's one. It's called Everybody, and
we meet at the bar.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
Yep. Good.

Speaker 10 (14:14):
And to me it's true as something that's actually had
a little bit of relevance in recent days. And it's
the concept of the third place. Have you heard about that? No,
the third place. Everybody's got at least two places in
their lives. They've got their work, they've got to their home,
but they don't have that third place anymore. There's no

(14:36):
place that we can go to forget about home and life.
We've always got pressures on one of the other and
I think the local pub, of the local tavern. It's
served as that third place for such a long long time,
and now we sort of bows it ourselves out of it,
if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, do you think that that might be a function
of our culture though? Because your third place could be
a gym, some kind of club, you know, you could
volunteers somewhere. Do you think that maybe we just we
that's just this so motionally acceptable third place, the easiest
third place.

Speaker 10 (15:11):
Peter, Well, you know, there's the other thing is we
used to go to a movie theaters. We don't do that.
Now we stay at home and watch Netflix. We just
don't go out anymore. We don't go to restaurants, we
do door dash. It's it's we are sort of developing
society that is yeared towards social isolation when we should

(15:32):
be getting out and meeting people and taking risks and
being you know, you talk to some of the most
successful people in the world in this chosen field, and
they're the ones that have always taken risks at the start. Yeah,
and we winged ourselves off it. Everything's just you know,
too safe. It's it's I think it's a little bit

(15:56):
of a downer where it comes to looking at where
society is at the moment compared to how it was,
you know, way back in the eighties before social media
ruined everything.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Do you think that you know, in the idea your world,
we wouldn't need alcohol, that that what we actually need
is to deal with our you know, other ways of
dealing with loneliness and anxiety and being introverted that.

Speaker 10 (16:20):
You know, I mean, ours have been around for two
thousand years or so, so you know, a fucking chery.

Speaker 11 (16:25):
Still out on that.

Speaker 10 (16:26):
There's nothing wrong with having to quiet be or a
few wines, a little bit of social lubrication as fine.
It's when things go to excess that's when there's a problem. Now.
Society is right to say, hey, you know ty hooe.
Society is right to say, hey, don't drink and drive.
Society is right to say, hey, you know, have a
couple of beers, but don't destroy your life over it.
But I think when society says, you know, with these

(16:49):
absolute ways, oh you must not drink, I think we're
taking something away.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
And I think.

Speaker 10 (16:56):
Professor Galloway, who I've heard on a number of issues,
is right on the money. There, you know, get out,
have a few drinks, have a few laughs.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
So do you think that maybe the public health sort
of narrative implying that any alcohol is harmful has oversimplified
that this situation.

Speaker 10 (17:14):
Absolutely. You know, people say, I think two years off
your life. Well, you know my aunt of that as well.
Those normally right at the end. And they suck anyway,
so you know, enjoy life. Life is for loving.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Arguably they suck more with you if your lover collapses.

Speaker 10 (17:30):
But well that is true, that's true. But I mean,
you know, there's nothing wrong with a couple of beers
of an evening. There's certainly something wrong with a dozen
beers in an evening. I think great days a silly
concept for a start. You know, just having a couple
of beers with your mate, there's nothing wrong with that.
In fact, it's probably but far will help you in

(17:51):
the long run in terms of your mental health.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, we do get into the sort of zero sum
conversation where we describe the worst possible thing that's happened
with alcohol and then equate that to three beers worth
friends in the sun on a Saturday afternoon, and they're
absolutely world apart. So and Professor Scott Galloway is saying this,

(18:14):
you know, to be overtly demonstrative. Isn't he the worst
thing to young people as the anti alcohol movement? But
what he's really saying is that, you know, mild to
moderate alcohol consumption, well, it does, no doubt reduce social
anxiety to the point where maybe you will, you know,
make connections that you wouldn't make without those couple of beers. Obviously,

(18:36):
if you have twenty five beers vomit on someone, blackout
drunk and end up in you know, a cell, then
that's that's not helping anyone.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
It's not good for making friends. Yeah, Peter, thank you
very much. Really good to get your thoughts. Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear your thoughts on Scott Galloway saying
that the worst thing to happen to young people was
the anti alcohol movements.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
It is twenty seven past one.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
And did you get the name of that book? This
book is called Notes on Being a Man by Scott Galloway.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Sounds like a good read back, very shortly.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Hard talk, bold, takes big stories. It's the Mike Hosking
Breakfast when the.

Speaker 12 (19:13):
Police Commissioner Andrew cost has finally given his version of events,
and he says Mark Mitchell knew about the allegations earlier
than they were admitting. And Mark Mitchell, the police Minister's
with us absolute nonsense.

Speaker 13 (19:22):
Andrew Costa didn't voluntarily come and briech me. He was
told by the PSC to come and briech me. I
did not swallow the narrative that Nick Skimming was a victim.
I am a father of two daughters. Part of my
role as protecting people against the power of the state
when they put up against it.

Speaker 12 (19:35):
Christopher Luxen, Prime Minister. What about cost himself? Does he
have a future in the public service?

Speaker 9 (19:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
By his own admission he got his judgments wrong. So
you're open to having him back? No, I'm not saying,
I just it's not something I considered.

Speaker 9 (19:45):
You haven't promised him any future jobs.

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Speaker 3 (19:56):
Nine past one. Have we gone too far with been
anti alcohol? Particularly for younger people? When The opposite of
sometimes not drinking is social isolation, which is incredibly harmful.
Love to hear your thoughts one hundred y eighty.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Jeremy says, you're drinking, buddies are often just that they
don't care about you and don't want to be around
you if you are sober, They simply want company while
they're drunk. Real friends are together when sober. Yeah, I
had a friends who was terrible, punishing alcoholic, and you know,
we sort of had a slight intervention. What happened was
he just found people that would drink with him, right,

(20:31):
And when I came across and with those people, I
was like, these people are not your friends. Yeah, they
are just you just all enabling each other.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Certainly can happen, but what I you know, I think
certainly for my friend's circle, maybe this isn't common. But
you reach a point where you know, drinking every weekend
is not going to fly anymore because you've got more responsibilities.
You're renting into adulthood, and that's where we're at at
the moment. But some of the best stories and situations
we've been in in our lives were when we went
out drinking and maybe went a little bit too far

(21:00):
in some aspects because are the things you laugh about,
and it's you know, I don't want to use this
analogy too strongly.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Came to brother and sisterhood in the military, that.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
You go out there and you're a team and you
might make some poor decisions and you come out the
other side. I mean that is bonding at its highest level,
when you've got those stories and situations look back on
and say, jeepers, where I don't know how we got
into that situation, but we made it out. I mean,
that's where those friendships come from. I mean that those
are the guys I will still you know, the right

(21:31):
or die friends. And there's only if you're lucky, if
you've got a handful in your life. And those are
those guys in my life.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, I mean this might sound hypocritical from a guy
who wrote a song called Beers and had a big
hit with it the Bandaja Voodoo. Great song, but equally,
some of the worst moments in your life are hangovers
from alcohol, and some of the worst things you do
in your life are when you've been drunk. The biggest mistakes,
the biggest cock ups, the biggest shames, and embarrassments of

(21:58):
your of your life.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Very true.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
So that's why I guess that's why it's a good subject,
and it's firing people up because there's a lot of
grayary in there. I have three bears, and as a
result you have you meet someone lovely at a bar
and you would be too socially awkward to talk to
them without the bears, and then you go on to
create a family with them and have an incredibly wholesome

(22:22):
rest of your life. Then it's hard to poopoo, that,
isn't it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, But yeah, as I say,
if you get absolutely steamed end up shirtless fighting someone
on the street, it.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Can go both ways. But keen on your views.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty or a bit late,
so headlines coming up and then taking more of your calls.
It is twenty eight to two.

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twenty twenty seven. Why trust not growth may decide who
wins the twenty twenty six election. You can see the
full column at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to
matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Thank you very much, Ray Lane.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
So we have been talking about a message from our
professor Skogan. Now he was on real time with Bill Maher,
a very popular and successful talk show over in America,
and he made the point that he thinks, in his opinion,
the worst thing to happen to young people, particularly young men,
but young women as well was the anti alcohol movement.
But Scott Galloway and Matt you would know this because

(24:25):
you've spoken to him and obviously read some of his books.
He has been quite heavy on the plant of young
men in particular over recent years. So when you look
at the stats of young men in today's modern society
on how badly they're doing, it is pretty grim. And
he's a little bit of Professor Galloway going through those stats.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
Well, the statistics are pretty storic. If you walked into
a morgue and there's five people died by suicide, four
and men, we have a homeless problem, in an opia problem,
But what we really have is a male homeless and
a male opia problem. Three times is likely to be addicted,
three times as likely to be homeless, twelve times is
likely to be incarcerated. More single women own homes, and
single men and women in urban areas are making more money.

(25:08):
T Me be clear, we should do nothing to get
in the way of that. But if we don't have
if our young men continue to fleil our country and
women aren't going to continue to flourish. And just a
couple of things you brought up loneliness and then role models.
One out of four in man count am a best round.
One out of seven men don't have a single friend.

(25:28):
And what I would say is there's a lot of
factors around this, but it's getting worse.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
So in relation to the anti alcohol movement in Professor
Scott Galloway, that last part about friends, the right will die,
the people that you call upon when you get into trouble.
The fact that you know, a big chunk of young
men these days do not have a single best friend
that they can call upon when they're in trouble, there's devastating.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah. And men are currently twelve times more likely to
have no one at their funeral to have a government
funeral because they know absolutely no one when they die. Yeah.
So you know, the point Professor Scott Galloway is making
is if moderate alcohol means that they get over their
social awkwardness to the point where they make friends and

(26:13):
aren't so socially awkward, then on balance, he says, it's
a bitter thing. While acknowledging the terrible downside of alcohol
as well. Dallas, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (26:24):
Yeah, hi guys, this is such a very good discussion,
an important one for New Zealand. And it's only facet
you know. And I hope you go past two o'clock
on the sign, but we'll see how it goes. But
just you're on your opening remarks, I just wanted to
ask you quickly. You must get a lot of political
texts coming in every day. Are the worst ones from

(26:48):
the right or from the left?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
What you mean the most abusive?

Speaker 11 (26:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:55):
M sometimes it's just straight up abuse. So I mean,
I think nine two ninety two is a absolutely fire
whatever you wanted all for.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
It extremes on both sides, But yeah, narrow it down
to what side is the worst?

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Genuinely, I don't know if I could say.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
On this particular topic, I think from the left, because
for some reason, the left seems to be more restrictive
when it comes to alcohol than the right and the
current clip. But it used to be different, didn't it.
It used to be the other way around. It's funny
how things change. What is left and right?

Speaker 15 (27:27):
Though?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Now it's all all over the scale. Dallas.

Speaker 14 (27:30):
Yeah, I guess you get a lot of anti justinder
text coming in. But that's another topic. Yeah, this is
another thing I wanted to ash you about alcohol. If
you add up all the jay in the world from
alcohol against the sorrow, which wins, you know, as alcohol
caused more joy in the world or more sorrow. That's

(27:51):
an industry one to.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Isn't it be a difficult one to work out? I
guess it's an individual thing, isn't it? Across society? The
terror and the horror of you know, drunk drivers that
kill people, the domestic violence, A lot of the terrible
things happen at the faring at the ends of the spectrum,
absolute horrors. But the moderate drinker that meets a partner

(28:16):
that they wouldn't go up and talk to if they
hadn't had a couple of drinks because they're socially awkward.
That goes on to you know, a whole wholesome experience
in life. I think it comes down to sort of
an individual thing. Dallas. It would be a hard hard
one to tell you up.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
What's your thoughts on add Dallas?

Speaker 14 (28:34):
No, I just throw that out there. You know, it's
just an intersty one. But in the new Zealing context.
It come back to the alcohol thing here. You know,
I don't know, in the past we've had a problem
with you know, you can't celebrate anything without a beer
in your hand or wine, and that we need to

(28:55):
get pasted. And maybe the young people of today more
are getting past that I don't know used to be,
you know, the old rugby culture. They all booze in
on the on the bus trips, you know away in
the Rugby trip that you're speak stocking, you know, the
old you have to get lotter on these buses and
all the things that are carried on. So are we

(29:16):
getting past that? Are young people more sensible these days
and than our generation?

Speaker 9 (29:23):
You know?

Speaker 14 (29:23):
That's But the other thing is that third space. That
is the idea too, like because I lived in England
in London and outhers were so tiny. You know if
you're living there and flatting that you actually do need
that third space to which is the pub, you know,
the local pub down on the corner off and it's
warmer air and more space, and so that is an

(29:47):
important thing. So in the New Zealan context, our library
is going to be that third space. Are they morphing
into that community? Send a point or you know, that's
an interesting concept as well, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, I guess what Professor Scott Galloway is saying is
that young people aren't choosing not to drink because they're
anti alcohol. They're choosing not to drink because they're getting
becoming so socially isolated that they're just sitting at home
and getting absolutely all their needs fills online. But it's
an unhealthy you know, I guess playing of those emotions

(30:27):
like social media, the algorithms make them feel like they're
getting that social need, but they're being gained and you know,
let's not you know, you get into the romantic side
of things and how the algorithms are gaming on that.
So he's he's sort of arguing that, you know, loneliness
is linked to you know, increase mortality, depression, poorer overall

(30:51):
health outcomes, and sometimes you know that moderate drinking is
the payoff for you know, getting out and about and
getting off the screens and actually talking face to face
with people. So it's a trade off thing, Dallas. So
it's not so much that the young people are more
responsible with drinking now, they're just so gamed by the

(31:13):
big corporations by the algorithm that they're not doing anything
but just sitting at home being used.

Speaker 14 (31:21):
But it seems to mean it galways presenting a false alternative.
It's either you're on in the basement with your cell
phone or you're drinking. I mean that it's like rul
alternatives to drinking.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yes, but I mean, is that not just removing And look,
he's made the point in a pretty compelling but definitive way.
But isn't the point that it any barrier that gets
removed to get people out of the basement and off
the screens and socializing for mental health and in this
case it's alcohol and not to extremes, but it removes
that barrier, and if that is what it takes, then

(31:55):
that is arguably a good thing.

Speaker 14 (31:59):
Yeah, but is that that's not a good alternative. I mean,
there are so many other things young people can be
doing to meet each other.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I guess it's the path of at least resistance.
His argument would be, well, I mean, I think going
to the gym clubs, as I was mentioning before, you know,
volunteer work or anything that they could get out in
the community and spend time with people would be fantastic
and it would do a lot of the good that
he claims that alcohol does. But he's saying that without

(32:28):
the social lubricant of alcohol, people are just too socially
anxious to make those connections. So whilst you admit that
the alcohol is bad and that maybe we want the
perfect world where everyone's joining a choir or you know,
going on big, long, meaningful tramps with their friends, what
they're doing is nothing. What they're doing is just as

(32:49):
someone as this mum texting before, I would rather I
was picking up my son rotten than watching him rotten
his bedroom. Yeah, it's a complex one, Dallas, but thank
you if you all appreciate it, and thanks for asking questions.
Dallas is always good. He rings in and he asks
the serious questions about it.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
We love Dallas, so we love you mate. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to chat with you on this one? Is well
anti alcohol movement? Has it been detrimental to our population
of particularly younger people?

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Love to your thoughts. It is a quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
The'd be it is twelve to two Vanessa, welcome to
the show. Your thoughts on alcohol?

Speaker 16 (33:37):
Yes, Ciota.

Speaker 17 (33:38):
So I suppose I've got first hand experience with our
teenagers from New Zealand. I was the healthy and Technology
teacher to five hundred and twenty boys at the number
one Boys school in New Zealand from two thousand and
sixteen to twenty nineteen. So I was really giving them

(34:02):
the education about the drugs and alcohol, but also asking
them exactly what was going on in their lives. And
you know, the really sad fact that I noticed was
the sense of family just does not exist in New
Zealand anymore. So when I would say to my students,
I'd like you to go home and you know, discuss

(34:25):
this with the family at the dinner table. But all
look at me blankly and say, what do you mean
this We don't have at dinner table because, you know,
because because the cost of living is so exorbitantly expensive
in New Zealand. You know, families are leaving at seven
o'clock in the morning to try and get to work.
They're coming home late.

Speaker 18 (34:46):
You know.

Speaker 17 (34:46):
I used to say to them, you know, what are
your parents doing during the dinner time, during dinner time
and they said, oh, well, they're just on their iPads
and that. You know, the kids just get their dinner
and then they just go to their rooms. So unfortunately,
due to the mandates with the with what the labor
government did to all of our children, you know, the

(35:07):
average prescription and now that a doctor is prescribing for
our teenagers as PTSD and anxiety. You know, I've got
students that literally get up in class, they walk out.

Speaker 10 (35:19):
You know.

Speaker 17 (35:19):
After finishing at that school, I went on to being
a special needs teacher for three years and then I
worked at All Girls' Catholic School for two years. So
I've had significant experience with our teenagers and you know,
I'm now making significant impact for the teenagers of New Zealand.

(35:42):
I'm actually shaking the foundations of the New Zealand education
system as we speak, with setting up a global corporation
for a young fifteen year old to collaborate with special
needs to work Monday to Thursday on ten till three
and then on Friday. It's going to be compulsory charity.
So the charity that that global corporation I'm setting up

(36:04):
is for parental alienation PTSD. When in suicide prevention, I'm
also setting up a charity for special needs children and
our family and their families because there's a special needs teacher,
you know, especially when I got locked down, I had
the highest needs class within the school.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
You know, So when you when you talk about the
you know, you say that there's that that's that's the
cost of living crisis. But then you're you're saying that
when when they get home, the parents are on the
phone or on their screens. So that's not so much
the hours of working if you've got because I mean,
if you can spend half an hour of quality time
with kids, then isn't isn't isn't the problem that the

(36:47):
kids are on the devices, the parents on the devices
and whatever time that they have, Because I mean people
have always worked long hours. Absolutely, but but but but
but but if you can get half an hour, and
that half an hour is the parents on the on
their screen time, isn't that isn't that the real problem?

Speaker 17 (37:04):
No, it's not. It's because you know, especially based in
ORC you know, I used to have students that hadn't
even said good morning to their mum and dad. I
used to buy bags of fruit and vegetables because you know,
as teenagers they barely have a shower, let alone get
themselves organized with breakfast. You know they would be going home.

(37:27):
Is no one at home for them?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, sounds like you've seen a lot of problems out there.
Yeah you go. But next to thank you for your call.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah great call.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Can you hear from you? It is eight
minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Matteath Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 9 (37:45):
It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
News Talks ed BE it is five minutes to two.
Few techs coming through on nine to two niney two.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I agree with the professor who quoted regarding males and friends.
I'm six years old and I couldn't name anyone who
I could call a best friend. I know a lot
of people, but have no friends that hang out with me.
That's from Henry, thank you for text and sorry to
hear that. And that's his point. You know, he'd rather
that people drink moderately and have friends and get over
the social anxiety to meet friends, then not drink at

(38:14):
all and not have friends. Matt points out that drunk
people are level one hundred cringe. I mean that is true,
can be tough if you're sober and people are pretty
truly well. I mean, if you've ever seen and I've
seen quite a bit of footage of me and I've
been drinking and not a cool guy thinks he's cool.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I've heard the stories.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Hi, guys, only drink if you can guarantee your behavior.
If once you start drinking and can't guarantee it, you
shouldn't drink it all. Cheers. Yeah, I mean exactly. If
you start doing terrible things when you're drinking and you
continue drinking, then that's on you.

Speaker 9 (38:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, that's clearly not good for anything. And this is
a nice one giday guys. A lot of people can
enjoy a social beer and spend lots of spare time
in the outdoors. Think God's Own Adventure race that's just finished.
There is a balance. It's not either sitting by yourself
or in your bedroom or getting smashed.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
That's from Bell.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
This is smart from Sam. We are not isolated because
we are not drinking socially. We are not drinking socially
because we are isolated.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Deep and yeah, well pot yeah, yeah right.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
A lot of people just sitting home on their devices
getting all their needs provided to them from the algorithm.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, exactly. Should we keep this going?

Speaker 16 (39:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, a lot of people want to have their saying.
Were keen to chat with you as well? Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you think the anti alcohol
movement has gone too far?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Dallas wanted us to take it past too. Yeah, Dallas
is good man, so let's take it past.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
We listen to you, Dallas.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Nine two is the text number New Sport and we're
a fast approaching. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope
you're having a great Monday afternoon. Back very shortly.

Speaker 9 (39:50):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
It'd be very good afternoons to here. Welcome back into
the show.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Seven past two, and we're carrying on our discussion around
comments from Professor Scott Galloway. If you haven't heard of
them before. He he is everywhere at the moment. He
runs podcasts, he's on podcast and he was on the
UIs talk show Real Tom with Bill Maya, and they
were talking about what is going wrong with young men
and young woman, primarily young men. And here's a little

(40:22):
bit of what he said right at the end of
that interview.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
The second worst thing to happen to young people is
remote work one and three. Relationships begin at work. This
is where you find friends, mentors, and mates, and especially
young men need the guardrails of a workplace. But in
my view, the worst thing that's happened to young people
is the anti alcohol movement. I've had Huberman on, who
I'm a big fan of, an antiaon and my point
is that the risk to your twenty five year old
liver are risk are dwarf by the risk of social

(40:49):
isolation in some Think of all the amazing relationships you've
had in your life, and be honest, did alcohol play
a role in some? Get out, drink more and make
a series of bad decisions that might payoff.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
So obviously a good reaction there from Bill Maya and
the audience, But that's what we're talking about. The anti
alcohol movement. Has it done more harm than good, particularly
for younger people.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Young people. As he goes on to say, aren't drinking
less because they suddenly become wiser. They're drinking less because
just change the page on this quote. They're lonelier, they're
more anxious, and they're socializing through screens instead of being
out and about face to face.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, so what do you reckon about this? I on
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. We've had a truckload
of texts coming through On nine two ninety two as well.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
This text says, not sure who's not drinking, but I'm
a high school teacher and the kids are absolutely still partying. Yeah.
This text says, guys, I worked for a large airline
in Europe for years. When U night stopped somewhere, the
crew would have some drinks on the way to the hotel,
and by the time you got there, everyone was chatting
and would arrange activities for the time away. Airline eventually

(42:01):
band drinks on the bus due to health and safety,
so people didn't gell the same way and often would
disappear to the hotel room for the duration. If there
was an on average six crew suicides and hotels per year. Wow,
I truly believe the withdrawal of those drinks directly contributed
to the isolation. Many of the younger crew foult. It's
kind of a catch twenty two, isn't it. So you

(42:23):
need the alcohol to get up the Dutch courage to
talk to people, to plan to do other things. But
then you know you can get absolutely steamed, and terrible
things can happen.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Yeah, exactly, both extreme.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I mean idea. It wouldn't be great if we live
in a world where everyone felt confident to just talk
to each other, yeah, without having to get steamed, right,
if only? But I think that's a part of it.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
And look, I'm speaking from personal experience here, and maybe
this gets a little bit easier as you get older.
I think it airs to me, but in the early years,
and it still happens from time to time. If I'm
thinking about something that hasn't gone right and it's really
playing up in my mind and then someone says, hey,
do you want to come out and hang out and
we can have a beer, that is music to my ears,

(43:07):
because I don't think I can put some of that
stuff to beard. Yes I can do now. But quite
often when there's a beer involved or a weed drink,
and you're sitting with a friend and you're outdoors in
a beer guard and you get some vitamin D. That
ability just to have a sip of beer to take
your brain out of the misery that it's currently in

(43:29):
because you're thinking too much about something that's gone wrong.
That ability to distract for just a short while, I
think is incredibly helpful for a lot of people. Certainly
has been for me to say, I'm just gonna stop
dwelling on this for the time being. I'm going to
have a beer with my mate and talk about things
that are good for my mental well being. That can
be an incredibly helpful tool for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
What if you follow that one beer, because what's the saying,
You have a drink and the drink has you. Yeah,
so you have that one drink to calm down and
make yourself feel better and have a bit of a chat.
Then that makes you want have another, and then another
another another, and another. No no no no no no
no no no no no. You wake up the next morning, goo, whoa,
what happened? Was just meeting for a nice drenk Oh,

(44:11):
my goodness, And then in the shower remembering all the
stupid things you see going ah, trying to block out
your thoughts and then you spend Saturday full of self
hatred and anxiety.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
You bang on.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
You definitely don't want to do that because that will
make things far worse.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
And I think the professor Scott Galloway's putting it that way.
You know that the worst thing that's happened to young
people is the anti alcohol movement. He's pushing the point
hard to get the conversation gown down. But I guess
what you if you were going to put it in
a more mild way, it would be something like mild
to moderate at alcohol consumption can help reduce social anxiety,
especially for young adults who are still learning to navigate,

(44:48):
you know, and you know talking to people, socialization, you know,
interpersonal dynamics or whatever, and that the alcohol access a
catalyst for forming friendships, romantic relationships, professional networks and stuff
that because they're so awkward, they just would never do.
So he's saying that there is obviously a terribly terrible

(45:08):
downside to alcohol, but he's in his opinion, it's you know,
the the increased mortality, depression, and poorer healthcome outcomes from
loneliness worse than the moderate than the damage from moderate
drinking in your twenties. Yeah, for example, but if he
talks about the Human podcast and if you want to

(45:29):
question your drinking, listen to Hubanman's podcast on alcohol. Yeah,
my god, is zero alcohol describe as your sleep, describing
what it does to you.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Yeah, it is terrifying. Very good podcast.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
That's coming from me who's been a big drinker of
most of my life. I was going, boy, is it
too late?

Speaker 3 (45:46):
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to call? It is twelve past two. Beg very surely.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 9 (45:59):
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Speaker 4 (46:01):
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Speaker 19 (46:04):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
E one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Robert, welcome the show. You've just read the book I have.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
I've just read the book, and I'm actually a reasonably
good consumer of the professor's work, as I find them
a great sort of counterbalance to a lot of the
opinions out there at the moment. Actually, the good read.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Does this Robert from the Great People at November.

Speaker 7 (46:26):
It is Matthew. Yeah, you know good Yeah, long time listener.
But no, actually I was called in the other day
as well, so I can't say that, Oh.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
A good Man in November is a fantastic organization.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, so you're you're deep in the world of helping
you know, the male mental health crisis, if that's if
that's what we want to want to call it, call it.
But but you also embrace the the you know, the
the alcohol side of it to a certain extent as well,
don't you.

Speaker 7 (46:53):
Robert. I think a couple of your callers sort of
worded it really well, is like we all determine the
relationship we have with alcohol, and unfortunately, in the world today,
we're able to hold up really quickly all the things
we get wrong, not just with alcohol but with all
sorts of things, and those things are the ones that
get headlines and coverage and create a huge amount of conversation.

(47:15):
And we all sort of, you know, look at all
the things we shouldn't be doing. But actually, you know,
there's a number of people out there who are doing
it really really well, you know, like the majority, I
would say, and they use alcohol and connection and socializing
is a great opportunity to catch up with people, talk
do a bit of problem solving and just have a

(47:38):
couple of drinks and then they bop off and they
go back to the normal life. Our female counterparts do
it really, really well. They fantasticket staying in connection with
their with their girlfriends. They make a real effort, they
catch up, they have a whine, they have a yarn,
They do a heap of problem solving, They talk about
big things in life really really quickly. And while Professor

(47:59):
Galloway gave that example around going to a morgue and
you know, seeing how many of the people who are
in the mall, will we men, the flip side of
that is that that it's not females, even though they
have very similar incidents of depression and anxiety. They don't
take his dress to reaction. Their statistics are not as bad,
but they are still having a wine and catching up
with your girlfriends and being a little bit social and

(48:21):
sort of doing it okay. So I think it's really
important to be run to determine the relations they have.
And as you said, Matt, look if you don't like
who you are when you're drinking, then don't drink. If
you've got a friend who you think it's to the
detriment of them to drink, then maybe encourage them not
to drink or to have a half havebit, I think,
you know, on the other side of it, like these

(48:41):
are the things we don't talk about. We've matured hugely.
Like we will go out to the pub now and
if one of your mates is having a water or
a lemonade or a zero strength, you know, we don't
give them any banter. I certainly don't. I think that's
hugely acceptable and I'm just happy to see the guy
and have a yarn, you know. And I think most
people are like that, Whereas sometimes we you know, we
like to highlight all the bad stuff, but I think

(49:02):
we need to do a job around highlighting all the
good stuff as well. And it's awesome to make any
fit to catch up with your mates. And someone has
a bear and someone has eliminade, then then who cares?
You know, Like I think it's a great thing that
it's really hard as a as a as you go
through life stages to stay connected with the people that
mean a lot to you. So anyone in any way,
shape or form that's doing that, you know, whether it's

(49:25):
at the pub, at the rugby club at the cricket club,
whether it's going to a sports event together, whether it's
going to a show together, a festival like whatever. That's
good stuff. That's you know, that's where we learn huge
amount of life skills and interaction. And I believe a
lot in what mister Galloway's saying. We are becoming about
asocial and about asexual and we're not able to take
prompts and triggers off people anymore and creating these one

(49:48):
ray relationships in the digital world that don't sort of
challenge us or or feedback anythink. And I think we
just need to be really careful. What's that in New
Zealand because his stuff's American, But often the trends do
trickle down to different different parts of the world. But
maybe we can get ahead of it and learn from
some of those bigger markets and not let that be
quite as bad down here, even though you know the

(50:10):
rese elements of that here absolutely.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Now do you think you know when we talk the
difference between male and female friendships, and you know, as
it plays out of a life, you know, men will
often just drift apart. They'll have friends and they won't
put the effort in do you think there's a thing
with men where we feel like we can invite our
mates out for a drink and that kind of it's
not necessarily about the drink, but we don't really have

(50:34):
another way to, you know, invite them out that doesn't
seem weird culturally. So for example, my partner's always going
out for coffees with her girlfriends and they'll just get
together to do things. But we're like I was saying
to Tyler, I'm not sure if this was off here
or on you, but it would be odd if I
texted Tyler on the weekend and said, hey, mates, just

(50:56):
want to go for a walk, He'd be like, what's
wrong with you?

Speaker 6 (50:59):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
But if I texted him said you want to go
for a beer, it's kind of more socially acceptable. But
really the connection is what you're after. Do you kind
of get what I'm saying, Robert.

Speaker 7 (51:09):
Yeah, I know that's what you're saying. And always say
like the old school is not the bad school, but
we just need to find the modern version of it.
So like, Okay, we're not necessarily going to be filling
the pubs and clubs or sports clubs like we used to,
but we need to replace it with something and what
is the modern version of it? And like you know,
today there is all sorts of things that go on,
like there still can be connection in the digital world.

(51:30):
We're seeing you know this, you know, near pandemic called
running and a lot of young people are actually joining
rugby running clubs not just to be fit and healthy,
but for the social element, you know, like they're there
because that's the way to mix with girls. We need
to be really careful about the remote remote working thing
like that is absolutely where you cut your teeth socially,
where you interact with females, where you interact with males,

(51:52):
where you learn social cues, where you learn to interact
with all different sorts of people, Like I think those
things are really really relevant. So like what's replacing those
you know what? We need to make sure that we're
just not taking those things away and not replacing them
with anything. And I hope Matt, like example I just
gave when we said, you know, we can go to
the pub these days and people can drink, not drink,

(52:13):
or do whatever they want, and we do see this
socially acceptable hopefully, you know, if you said, hey, Tyler,
do you want to walk into work together, or do
you want to catch up for a coffee after work,
or or any of those suggestions you just made. Hopefully
over time that actually does become socially exceedsible and that
is an okay thing to do. And I think, and
probably not quite to the same degree with some of

(52:34):
the other things we've discussed, I think that is happening
a little bit. Like I certainly think young men are amazing.
They have a lot better and more mature than I
was at the same age, and they're actually really up
for looking after their mates. They're really up for tough conversations.
I don't know. You've got a young son, Matt and
Heath the same as well, but the miles again where
I was as a teenager, and they are forever looking

(52:55):
out for each other and they than I was. Yeah, totally,
so again we thought about all the crisis with young men,
they're actually doing awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
The far more which more than my me and my
friends are now my friends and I are whichever I'm
supposed to say that. I always get pnished on the text
machine for my poor grammar, but you know, maybe I'm
punishing South Islander from Otago. But when I wasn't drinking,
I was, you know, I'd get a zero alcohol beer
and it would be such a drama with my friends
that what I ended up doing is going up to

(53:26):
the bar and having to buy all the rounds just
so I was because it become, you know, like, you
don't want to drink, and they bring it to the
table and then someone say who's is the zero and
you go me and then everyone's like, oh, you're not,
You're not drinking, and then they's gone on. They'll sort
of take it as a judgment that you're not drinking,
and then they start questioning. The whole thing becomes around
you're not drinking. Very expensive for me when I was

(53:47):
buying every round just to hide my zerocohol beers in there.
So I hope people, I hope that's true what you're saying,
that that people are accepting that, because because what do
you really care what someone's ambiting around you? You know,
isn't it that they're there with you?

Speaker 7 (54:04):
I think so, And I obviously i'm you know, it's
it's the the field or work I'm in, and we
look at that stuff and it absolutely is changing. Like
I think we are getting to have a lot more
mature with it, and you know, we need to replace
you know, some of these settings that just were what
they used to be. You know, there's a lot of
reasons some of the sports clubs are not as well
as they used to be. There's you know, the these

(54:26):
are real positive aspect to you know, the increased consideration
for drink driving, but you know, the rareity is that
means people don't come together as much. So what are
we replacement with? What are we doing? You know, COVID's
meant a lot of us have become chefs and great
entertainers and posts at home. Well that's a really good thing,
you know, like that having people around to your place
and hosting them. That's awesome. But obviously that's a bit

(54:48):
harder on maybe some of the some of the normal
hospitality establishments. So I was just kind of figuring out
what the new normal is. And yet there'll be you know,
certain things that work and certain things that don't. But
I would definitely say when it comes not just to
young men but men in general, they actually are a
lot more accepting of some of those things we've discussed,

(55:08):
and actually some of the real stereotypical stuff that we'd
love to just throw out there isn't actually true, Like
there is huge change going on and actually men and
boys are totally up for looking out for each other,
you know. Yeah, PEPs. Going from that from christ Mate
is a bit of that going on as well. But
like I think overall, some of the things you've just

(55:29):
discussed are becoming less and less of a view or
what you might do with your mates. And to your point,
you're dismayed, you know, we don't you know, You're like me,
We're busy guys. I'm just bloody happy to see the boys,
you know, like you're just really happy to stitch up
and have a yard. And whether that's a man your
golf trip, whether that's a certain occasion, whether that's we've
made an effort to connect our families. I'm just so

(55:49):
happy we've done it. And you know, what we what
we do while there is very secondary to the you know,
to the connection parts. So I think we are going
in that direction one hundred.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Well good on you and get on with what you do.
How can people get hold of November and get involved
and use your resources and monks?

Speaker 20 (56:09):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
I think the website, November dot com is an awesome
resource for a whole lot of things we just discussed,
like how to have a conversation, have a chicken on
your mates, how to look out for each other. And
you know, I just think, gosh, we're you know, hopefully
in Auckland on'm and how long with the sudden shining
It puts you in a little bit of a better mood,
Like use these holidays to you know, do all the
things we just discussed, like who's the people that mean
a lot to you in life. Make sure you catch

(56:31):
up with them, you know, make sure that you check
on them, see how they're going. Because we talk a
lot about you know, talk about some big topics sometimes
that actually the solutions are all the little things, you know,
like once a week, sit down with your kids at
the table and have them it together. You know, like
that's really easy. We can all do that a lot
of families, don't, you know, put your phones in a

(56:52):
jar at the clock or something. You know, there's all
these little things that we don't do. We will say
with time port as if it's said to Tyler last time,
I challenged that, like, I genuinely think we have more
time than what we think it's the most valuable commodity.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Everyone's like cost of living and working these hours and
then getting home and just sitting on their phones around
their kids doom scrolling for two hours, or going out
to meet your friend and then sitting at the sitting
at the table staring at your phone instead of you
finally face to face with someone. Then they get on
the phone, and because they're on the phone, you get
on your phone, and then you've made this effort to
meet up with them, and then you're just sucked into

(57:29):
the algorithm. What's a freaking point of that that needs
to be There needs to be some kind of social
cost for that. I think one of the best things
that you can do is get off your phone, your
mupper a gentle tasering here, yeah, eyes up here. You know.

Speaker 7 (57:43):
Well, it's like Galloway sairs, like you said, don't you
know the tick bros, you know, like the Musks and Zuckerberg,
they're not they're not there to solve these problems for us.
They don't want if they want us on the phone.
You know, Like, if we're going to fix the stuff,
we're going to do it ourselves. It's we're going to
own one hundred percent of our fifty percent. So like
how we behave for our kids role modeling at having

(58:03):
dinner at the table once a week, you know, making
sure they're involved in some sort of team sport or something,
the connecttion with other people, making sure that as they
go out they interact with boys and girls. You know,
I think all that stuff will sounds really easy, but
that actually is the that's the good stuff that we
should be focusing on. There's you know, some of the
services that deal in the crisis space they do amazing

(58:25):
stuff and they need support as well, but we can
actually do a huge amount personally as man, dads or
business leaders or whatever.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, so you and speaking of connection, we've got to
go to the ad So we have to break this
connection with the scrape chat. Yeah that Robert done from November.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
What a great man.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Great call and taking yours on oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and as he says, if you want to
go check them out November dot com fantastic organization.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
It's twenty eight past two.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about the
anti alcohol movement and has that been detrimental for young
people in terms of so isolation. That was the argument
made by Professor Scott Galloway, very successful businessman, author, podcast
our host.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
But can you get your views?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
This is an interesting text. Went to Tyler's swingers party
last weekend. Without alcohol, the frivolities wouldn't have been so hyperbolic.
See you next month, Tyler. Well, so what's one of
these swingers parties?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Well, the last invite that text togets you know.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
All of Tyler's swinger parties as you don't talk about
Tyler's swingers.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Paid exactly, So you've broken that role. But glad you
had a good time, mate, and we might see you
next year at some stay.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Well I might go out for a coffee with you
or a walk with you, Tyler, and you know, maybe
I'll be more mature and not only think it's okay
to ask to go for beers, but probably not ready
for your swingers parties yet, but fair enough to it's
pretty wild. Good in tell did Woman's Weekly know about
your swingers party when they did that?

Speaker 21 (59:55):
But on you.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Oh, I'm sure I can give them the heads up
on that right, Oh, had one hundred eighty is the
number to call begvery shortly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking
about the supposed anti alcohol movement. Has it been detrimental
to younger people? This was the argument made by Professor
Scott Scott Galloway, and I'll just sum up his quote.
He was on Real Time with Bill mar very successful
show over in America. So he said, I quote, the
worst thing that's happened to young people's the anti alcohol movement.

(01:01:47):
My point is, at the risk of your twenty five
year old liver are dwarfed by the risk of social isolation.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
So is he right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Oh, one hundred and eighty teen eighty is that number
to call? And if you want to send a text,
ninety two ninety two is that text number?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Khan, you want to have a chat about the dangers
of promoting alcohol cheapest I'll tell you what. These these
birds in the background are good for my mental health.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
That is lovely, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
An ovary? I mean an Avery?

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I wonder where he is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Hopefully he's not an overy. Well, well, all the best
to car for he is?

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Can can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Avery?

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Okay, I'll try. I'll try.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
I lost to the birds.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I'll try one loud yell okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Gone gone, gone gone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
No, No, he's lost to the birds. We'll try and
get cone back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Peter, welcome to the showy.

Speaker 11 (01:02:42):
Say you don't very well? I was looking before and
we're talking about alcohol. Alcohol gets damage to the drinking.
You know, they're doing too much damage. And we've been
involved in the alcohol industry for a while, so do
you have a fist of interest? I think they've done

(01:03:06):
a reasonable job at changing the culture, and we needed
to change the culture. But we're now seeing the extreme
behaviors start to come out, things like there's no safe
limits and alcohol causes cancer and all of the stuff

(01:03:28):
that you're starting to see on trends go on in
Melbourne and various other bits and pieces. And I think
that's inherently damaging because it does mean that effectively, people
don't feel like they can go out and socialize and
can have a drink because they're constantly counting drinks or
or checking themselves because there is no safe limits or
you know, are they going to die? Tenser and Bobus time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yeah, and so do you think that the you know,
the loneliness as your point that that we've gone too
far and it's not a zero sum game and some
people are pushing zero alcohol. But but as as a result,
the good that came from alcohol around you know, socializing
and and you know, the combating of loneliness and the

(01:04:17):
connection is being lost in the in the conversation. Is
that Is that what you're saying, Peter.

Speaker 11 (01:04:24):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean the days of going out to
the the pub well your mates for a beer. You're
almost in some in some circles villified for doing that
because because it's you know, it's it's simply not safe.
And it needs to be a balance between having a

(01:04:45):
social numbricant like a beer and going out having one
or two and feeling okay about doing that. Rather than
have this constant messaging coming back from any the alcohol
lobby's lobbyists to say, oh, look, you know, you have
to be aware of exactly how much you're drinking two

(01:05:08):
a week, because if you have four strands of drinks
in a four hour session versus six drinks and a
four hour session, one's okay and the other one you're
a Ben's drinker. Therefore you are a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Is that part of the issue that we do have
in some circles, Peter, is particularly for younger, younger guys
and younger females for that matter, that the idea of
one or two is not really a thing. You know,
there are some and I'm not knocking younger people here,
but certainly when I was in my twenties, it wasn't
really a thing that you just go out for a
couple of beers unless it was on a Sunday afternoon

(01:05:45):
that you went out and you had at a few
more than that. And for some people that caused a
bit too much damage.

Speaker 11 (01:05:52):
I think. I think that's what been for lack of
energy on the anti alcohol lobby have done really well.
They've changed that excuse me, that narrative or that that culture,
and I'm certainly seeing in amongst lots of young people
now where there are abstinence last longer or is. When
I was growing up, the drinking ages was twenty and

(01:06:12):
I was still you know, going into bottle stores and
trying to buy it when I was sixteen and various
other things. What you see now is a very clear
abstinence for much longer amongst young people, and that's that's
got to be a good thing. I think where the
line's been crossed though, is simply saying it's okay to

(01:06:33):
go and have a beer or a couple, or it's
okay to have too much once in a while, don't
make it, don't make it a regular thing, and it's
okay to make the stakes and all of that stuff
has been lost, and those growing pains for lack of
a better term, have been lost, not specifically around alcohol,
but you know, being in the bar and socializing with

(01:06:55):
people and understanding what makes up different people and how
to interact with difference on different people on different levels.
All of that has now gone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Do you have you noticed? You know, you're in the
industry and we're getting a lot of texts coming through
here and saying it's not so much that kids are
sobering up, it's that they're choosing illegal drugs, so MDMA
and cocaine and meth, and that that kids have you know,
I don't know. I don't have the stats on this,

(01:07:27):
but there's a lot of people texting through that it's
not so much that kids are cleaner, it's just that
they're going for other stuff, and that that kids still
have this desire to get wasted, they're just getting wasted
in a different way. I mean, is there anything that
you're seeing around that, Peter.

Speaker 11 (01:07:42):
Yeah, one undred percent. And I think the challenge is
the one thing that we measure them with like meticulous
accuracy is alcohol and alcohol hearts, Whereas what young people
are interested in is bang for buck. So if I
can go and buy the bottle of unknown wine, say

(01:08:05):
or twenty MDMA tablet that lasts longer and it has
a much better, a cleaner impact, That's what I'm going
to do. And certainly amongst my kids here group and
they're they're in that eighteen between year old category, it
is a very real thing and a very real problem.

(01:08:27):
And we've spent all of this energy on alcohol is
the you know, alcohol is the devil for lack of
a better term, We've forgot about all of this other
stuff that that kids need to be educated on and
young adults need to be editated on. In terms of
in terms of life, and you know, potentially the dangers
the poorly mixed drugs, which is what I talk to

(01:08:49):
my kids a lot about, you know, and you don't
know what it is that you're take it, whereas with
alcohol is a level of certainty that you yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Just I mean, just going back to the thing on
alcohol as well, that the point Scott Galloway made at
the end that go out and make some bad decisions,
and that well, you know, it's already upset a few
people on the text, but part of me thinks that
is quite a compelling argument. And you mentioned to Peter
that when you're young, that is your time to go
out and make a series of decisions that might not
turn out well at the time, but then you look

(01:09:20):
back on that as a learning experience and sometimes quite
often they are a massive bonding experiences with people you
may stay friends with for the rest of your life.

Speaker 11 (01:09:29):
Yeah, it doesn't mean you need to go out and
you absolutely hamm it. It makes some bad decisions. You know,
we make bad decisions every day, and they become war
stories that you share with people in a social environment.
But I also think it's really mentally, it's really important
for your mental well being to have a group of

(01:09:50):
people where you can share those things that didn't go
so well or you you know, it's a war story
or whatever. And I think that's kind of where you
guys are coming from. That's that just socialization of having around,
standing around, having a deal with your mates, whether it's
your backyard or a bar or whatever. Those can be

(01:10:11):
really socially cleansing and really good for your mental health
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Peter, working in the alcohol industry, obviously there are these
harms and and you see them, and there's there's obviously
that the terrible things that happen on the road, and
there's there's alcohol harm right through the community. Did you
ever weigh that up in that that's the industry that
you make money in. Did you ever have any guilt

(01:10:38):
around that side of alcohol and the people that don't
use it in a sensible fashion.

Speaker 11 (01:10:46):
Because I've spent a long time working to the other
side as well, so I've seen both sides. And what
I will say about working in the alcohol industry is
by and large, the alcohol industry want and and people
advocating against the alcohol industry they want the same thing.
They want a safe environment, They want is a bar

(01:11:08):
wants that bars want safe environments for people to go to.
Everybody's after the same thing. What we have done, by
default is draw better lines. So therefore, if I say
something as somebody who's now from the industry, that was
exactly that was what I said when I was working

(01:11:30):
on the other side, it doesn't have any It's not
valid in any way, shape or form, because I'm alwaysing
for the industry, Whereas if I said exactly the same
thing when I was working on the other side, that
would have been you know, the pedacea. So I get
where you're coming from that. But ultimately, all alcohol is

(01:11:57):
is something that's in the camp and how we choose
to use it is what's with the decision. But where
a decision making an individual comes in and we seem
to have moved away from personal responsibility, personal accountability, a spike,
the fact that everybody's owning for the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
I thank you so much for you four Peter, do
you agree? One hundred and eighty teen eighty nine two
nine two is the text number?

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yeah, very interesting, It is fourteen to three. Beg very shortly.
You're listening to Met and Tyler Good afternoons Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
It's a fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Talk b It is eleven to three nineteen nine two
is the text number. We'll get to a few of
those shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Steve, welcome to show your thoughts on us.

Speaker 20 (01:12:45):
Hi, guys, you're the best on one's Z'B. Just let
you know that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Oh you're a good man, Steve. You sound pretty good yourself, he.

Speaker 20 (01:12:52):
Raised about it.

Speaker 15 (01:12:54):
Yeah, hopefully I can articulate sort of my thoughts because
been so many good conversations that you've had, and one
of the things that the guy just brought up sort
of touched on. I think there's actually a very big difference.

(01:13:14):
I'm fifty nine, and if I go to give you
a little bit of background into my drinking started very
very young, member being drunk for the first time at
eight years old. By the time I was seteen, I
was drinking regularly. Got married at twenty three, drunk through

(01:13:35):
all that. My wife was a big drinker as well,
got divorced and then I really hit it. Ended up
doing four reheads and the biggest change that I made
in my life was moving away from the people that
I was drinking with because.

Speaker 20 (01:13:54):
Got to that stage of like.

Speaker 15 (01:13:56):
Only hanging around people who were willing to do the
same sort of drinking. And when you step back from it,
you've basically one percent of the population when you're in
that group, and so you think it's normal. It comes
with normality about it, and we're talking on a daily

(01:14:19):
basis here, but when you step back away from it,
and I took myself away from it probably twelve.

Speaker 20 (01:14:26):
Fifteen years ago now.

Speaker 15 (01:14:30):
And basically cut myself off from the people that become
associated with. But now I live a very lonely life
now it's my choice to do that, but it's there's
a difficulty in reconnecting with society as a very difficult

(01:14:58):
I go, yeah, I can go all week and now
in communication that I'll have with unfortunate that I've still
got parentss that they're very old now.

Speaker 20 (01:15:09):
So it's a couple of friends that I might keep
in touch with.

Speaker 15 (01:15:14):
You know, maybe on a two monthly, three monthly basis,
and family and that's it, apart from a better communication,
you know, going to do the grocery shopping and talking
to the counter out, you know, person on The communication

(01:15:36):
that I have now is very, very limited, And the
biggest thing I'd like to reiterate to is that anyone
who's out there that is struggling with alcohol, have a
look at what you're doing. Have a look at the
friends you're losing. Because that was the hardest thing for me,

(01:15:57):
is losing lifelong friends.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Yeah, have you have you tried a bunch of other stuff,
have you? You know, you know, gym's clubs, that that
kind of thing.

Speaker 20 (01:16:10):
Yeah, volunteering used to be used to it.

Speaker 15 (01:16:13):
Yeah, don't all work? Yeah, done, did a lot of it. Actually,
gym's like a bug out to the gym.

Speaker 11 (01:16:20):
I'm working out and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Not Did you think that? Do you think with gyms now?
I was just just thought, sorry to speak over you, Steve,
But gym's now and a lot of these things people
go go to this, go do this and you and
you meet people. But a lot of times when you
do these things, everyone's got their headphones on now so
oh absolutely so people are isolated even though they're out
in public. So so you know, you haven't got alcohol

(01:16:43):
to get over that that social barrier. And then also
if you talk to someone they can't hear you. You know,
they look taking the air thing out and go what yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:16:51):
Yeah, yeah yeah. And in that regards the technology, that
sort of just sort of picked up a little bit
on the on the last caller, I.

Speaker 20 (01:17:02):
Had a thought that younger people today so drink and
my day. God. You know, I have a lot of
regrets of the stupid things I did. And you said
it in that.

Speaker 15 (01:17:15):
Now, if that was recorded and then put it on
social media, that's a total difference story.

Speaker 20 (01:17:23):
We didn't have that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Yeah, social Yeah, there's a social cost. I wonder if
you're write, Steve, and I wonder if people see themselves
and on video early and that that's another reason why
they don't want to drink as much. Yeah, hey Steve, Sorry,
we've got to go in air break. But thank you
so much for calling and sharing that with us and
call anytime, Steve. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Thanks, cheers, mate, what a good man. Right, We're going
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Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Sebby very good afternoons to you. Welcome back into the show.
Seven past three, and we have for the last couple
of hours I've been chatting about some comments American professor,
best selling author Scott Galloway made on Real Time with
Bill maher Or in America. So here's the quote he said,
and it's to do with young men and young people
in particularly. He said, in my view, the worst thing

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that's happened to young people is the anti alcohol movement.
My point is that the rest of your twenty five
year old liver are dwarfed by the risk of social
isolation in some Think of all the amazing relationships you've
had in your life, and be honest, did alcohol play
a role in some get out drink more and make
a series of bad decisions that might pay off.

Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
So we've had a lot of chat back and forth
on this, people that think he's an idiot, and people
that agree with him, and people in the middle. And look,
I've said a bunch of things and they've potentially been
taken the wrong way or the right way. I mean,
people can take what I say whatever way they want.
But I just thought i'd spend the news break just
writing down my thoughts, yep, because try and bring everything
that together. Because I feel like I've learned a bit

(01:19:29):
in the last hour. So here we go. Here's something
I just scribble down.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
Okay, here it is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
So I don't think Prof. G is really saying drink more.
He's just pointing out something not good in the Western world,
which includes our beautiful little country. Young people are drinking
less than any generation before them. And that sounds great
until you put it into the next fact that loneliness
has doubled and we're now in New Zealand, one of
the most isolated countries in the OECD. Maybe they're not

(01:19:57):
pissing up because they're wis dart. Maybe they're just not
going out at all and seeing mates even a little bit,
not dating, not playing sport. They're at home, having their
instincts for connection, and both friends and romantically gamed for
cash by big tech. And look, no one wants the blackout, drunk,
fire trucking, carnage side of drinking. But lack of social

(01:20:18):
connection is also a huge health risk mentally, physically, and economically.
And if the choice for a twenty two year old
is another night doom scrolling and watching adult content alone,
or a couple of drinks with actual human beings, one
of which might turn out to be a significant other
for life, leading to family and community, the bigger danger
It might not be the bears. It might be that isolation.

(01:20:41):
Alcohol probably shouldn't be the only fix for loneliness we
seek out, but we can't lecture young people back into
connection without giving them any real non online community. It
seems that moderate alcohol use might not be the best
thing ever. But if it's that or doom scrolling alone
in your bedroom rotting rather than being rotten like that

(01:21:02):
texting mother said, it might be the lesser of two evils.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Nice yeah, nicely, pot very very very good. And what
a discussion that was at the last two hours and
this will be an interesting discussion as well. So Netflix
big news over the weekend is set to acquire Warner
Brothers and HBO Max And a one hundred and twenty
five billion dollar deal that's in New Zealand dollars. So
it will reshape the global streaming landscape with potential impacts

(01:21:25):
on how and where New Zealanders see their favorite shows.
But after the deal, Netflix co CEO Ted Sarandos, he
made some very controversial comments, and here they are. He
said Netflix was saving Hollywood and went on to claim
that going to the movies is an outdated concept and
an out modern idea. He further suggested that that the

(01:21:48):
struggling box officers proof people would prefer to watch movies
at home rather than going to the cinema.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
I mean, they are some shots fired.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Yeah so depressing, isn't it?

Speaker 10 (01:22:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Really so? And you know he's got a vested interest
in that, hasn't he that? Because Netflix they want you
at home in front of the TV. They don't when
you're going out to movie theaters. They don't care if
the movies die. But are the movies in the movie
theaters something to be saved? What do you think about
going to the movies. I went to the movies the
other day. I went to Predator bad Lands, and I
loved the experience of it going to the movies. And

(01:22:23):
Warner Brothers owns so many fantastic properties they own DC,
So that means now Netflix owns the future of Batman. Yep,
do you care about that? Future of Superman, future of
Harry Potter, so many other great things. Christopher Nolans made
his movies through Warner Brothers, So now that's all being bought.

(01:22:45):
One of the most successful movie companies of all time,
that has made some of the greatest movies and has
had a real focus on the theater has now been
bought by Netflix. And so they want to take that
stuff out of the movies and they want to put
it in your home, so no one goes out to
the movies. It'skind of talks to social isolation a bit
as well.

Speaker 10 (01:23:04):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
We definitely known that before, Yeah, And I think for
a lot of people and probably me and pcluted, that
is a sad thing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
I was when I saw that news and.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
I've done a bit of a dive into it now,
and initially when I saw the headline, I said, I
know that's not a good thing. Particularly HBO Max and
as you say, Warner Brothers fantastic movies through the generation.
And I don't go to the cinema as much as
I should. I know that, But the experience that I
get at home is such a weak version of what
it used to be. When you drag yourself out of

(01:23:34):
your home, you get down, you buy the treats, you
take your seat. The soundscape's amazing, it's a massive screen.
People are cheering and laughing if the movie is good enough,
or crying or screaming or whatever it is. It's that
full on, immersive shared experience that you'll never get it home.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
You'll never get that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yeah, And also artistically, there is something about the movie
directors that make the films for the big screen, that
make more meaningful products, more carefully created. There's something about
the way Netflix makes things, or people that make money
make films with Netflix money. I'm not sure it was.

(01:24:12):
I'm not sure what the model is where they just
become slop so you're not going to get a batman
like in my opinion, you know, sometimes that happens. Sometimes
the streamers do make fantastic products. Absolutely, that's true. But
generally speaking, a Netflix movie is a less quality, it's

(01:24:34):
less artistic, it's less of a meaningful, lasting experience, in
my opinion than things that are made to be projected
onto a massive screen. I mean, can you see Netflix
making the level of Batman that Christopher Nolan made with
The Dark Knight Returns.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Because there's no incentive for them to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Really, what they'll do is they'll make a series that
has a really good first episode and maybe a half
good second episode, but trust trying to keep you watching
more and more so to get onto the next episode,
and then there'll be four episodes in the middle where
it just sort of plods along with nothing happening.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Yeah, if anything, I would say that Netflix is actually
starting to destroy entertainment. And I know there's some personal
responsibility here, but there's a lot of truth. And if
you're listening to this, guaranteed you've done it where you
can't really decide what to watch on Netflix because there's
so much option. But even if you find something that
you like to watch, the fact that you're at home
and you've got your phone next to you and you've

(01:25:29):
got that little distraction device, Man, I do it all
the time, and I hate myself for doing it because
I am missing out on probably incredible storytelling, someone who's
invested millions and millions and created many jobs creating this thing,
whether it's a TV show or movie. And I can't
drag myself away from doom scrolling on Instagram because apparently,
you know I can't be. I don't have the attention

(01:25:51):
span to sit in and lock in. When you're in
a cinema. You are forced to do that, and the
more that you do that, then your brain starts to
develop it. You know, those skills again.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
One hundred percent. And I actually thought about that aspect
of it, forced the fact you're forced to not be
on your phone when you're in a movie theater and
sit in the darkly concentrate on that. Because we've got
this Netflix thing now that they've admitted where they make
their products because they know people are they call them
two screen products, so they know that the film that
they're going to make for Netflix, most people are not

(01:26:22):
going to be watching. So they make the plots simpler,
and they make the and they fill them with cliches,
so you know, when you when you tune in, when
someone looks up from their phone. They're going to understand
what's going on because they've seen it all before. There
was a film called Red Notice starring The Rock and
Gail Gottrid and what's his name that Ryan, the comedian

(01:26:43):
guy with the deep voice, deed Pool.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
Yeah, Reynolds, Reynolds, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
And it was admitted that that movie was made because
they knew people weren't going to be watching it. So
so you know, Netflix buying Warner Brothers and bringing it
into their stable, they're incentivized to make stuff that's not
as good. Yeah, and it's not meant to actually be watched. Yeah,
it's a really really concerning, concerning thing. In my opinion,

(01:27:10):
this sixt is, come on, you have to be watching
the big blockbuster movies at the pictures. For example, June.
There's no way you could not watch that at the pictures.
I agree. Both those June movies are incredible experiences in
the movie theater. Or do you not care and you
just think that the movie's too expensive and give me convenience?
Will give me death?

Speaker 8 (01:27:26):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Nine two ninety two is the text? Let's
get into it. It is sixteen past three on news Talk,
si'd be eighteen past three, And that's exactly what we're
talking about right now. The Netflix Warner Brothers movie deal
one hundred and twenty five billion in New Zealand dollars.
What is that going to mean for actually going to
a movie theater and enjoying that full, immersive, shared experience.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
Is that a bad thing? Or are you full on
on the Netflix gravy train.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Yeah, that's right. So one of the greatest studios of
all time, it's been focused on making films for the movies,
is now going to be focused on making films to
be watched on the couch. Kath, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (01:28:05):
Hi, I'm a bit of a cinema file and I
guess that I think this issue is pretty similar to
the drinking issue you were discussing earlier. And there's just
more and more reasons for people to just sit on
the couch and not go out and not experience and
not have the etiquettees, the camaraderie, all the good things

(01:28:27):
about going to the cinema and actually, you know, I,
face to face, I see teenagers who are nervous to
make a subway order. They struggle so much socially, and
I just think it's all part of the same package.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
To be honest, howerful, Would you go to the movies?

Speaker 19 (01:28:43):
Kat, It's embarrassing that I am an English teacher probably
about fifty times a year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Nice, that's good. Are you finding enough good movies to
go to to go basically once a weekend?

Speaker 19 (01:28:57):
Look like, I'm a bit of a bore brush. I like,
you know, like my Marvel as well as obviously the
film fest films, and I just enjoy cinema and enjoy reading,
enjoy all these sorts of things. So I worry less
about whether it's kind of good or bad. But did
I enjoy it? What did I learn from it? And
like I said, I think the social experience, Like I'm

(01:29:17):
not a big TV watcher. I think watching TV, and
so I like just go out, go out for a meal,
go meet people, go talk to people, have a chat
about something, and I just think it's really healthy stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
How do you feel about the expense of going to
the movies?

Speaker 19 (01:29:33):
Well, I guess that, you know, I look at lots
of people spend a lot of money on messages or
facials or you know, all those sorts of things like
we've got limited disposable income, and we spend on what
we want, Like some people want to have two million
dollar houses. I actually rather go to the movies and
travel and walk and be out and about where people.
I just think that's you know, it's all about how

(01:29:54):
you spend your queen, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
So what do you think will happen with Netflix buying,
you know, one of the biggest movie companies in the
world and trying to bring movies into the house. Do
you think that will have an effect on the quality
of the product.

Speaker 19 (01:30:10):
I don't think Marvel movies are renowned to be quality anyway.
But oh look, it will be It'll just be the
same old builge And I just think, yet again, it
will just have a negative impact on young people. Yeah,
I just think, you know, so many young people I've got,
you know, my daughters so often will say I want

(01:30:31):
to hang out with my friends, and they they just
don't want to go out.

Speaker 9 (01:30:33):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:30:34):
I do think that there's a complete connection with mental
health and staying at home all the time. I don't
think these things are good for people now. I just
think of the society, we just need to be really
combative and pushy about getting outside the door.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Now, speaking of young people and getting outside the door,
a lot of the texts are coming through saying I
don't go to movies because there's a bunch of young
people talking and being on their phones beside me in
the movie, and it ruins my experience for me. Do
you see a lot of that? Do you get annoyed
by rude people? Because if I go to the movies
and someone talking, I find it really hard. I have

(01:31:10):
to basically go into a full mindfulness meditation just to
concentrate on the movie to not get annoyed at the
at you know, the selfishness of someone talking through a
movie or or getting on their phone or whatever.

Speaker 19 (01:31:24):
I don't think it happens that often, but I have
to be honest, you know, I think as soon as
you reach fifty your parents that stuff goes pretty low.
So I just say I'll be like it's happened twice
after I'd be like, oh, excuse me, could you just
quiet it down? Like I've noticed.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
That you'll have a word to you, You'll a word.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Yeah, Well, I.

Speaker 19 (01:31:43):
Like this well annoying And I just tell people some
all good with it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
And and how do how dos that normally received both
people never.

Speaker 19 (01:31:52):
Had an issue because I'm not impolite. Yeah, and you know,
and often, you know, there's a communal audience feel of like, gosh,
I wish this person would be a bit quite And
you know, there's nothing wrong with the parting word of
that's when people are having slung conversations or texting or something.
It's rare, I think, And I don't think it's I
don't think it's just young people who do that. I mean,

(01:32:13):
I guess it's rude people across all ages, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Do you like the full, you know, commercial hoits type experience.
Are you more in line with some of the smallest cinemas,
the more bougie boutique ones I reckon?

Speaker 19 (01:32:27):
I like, so I would go to Lighthouse. It's so
well into you guys probably don't know Lighthouse, but there's
a change down and Watington three Lighthouse Cinemas and they're
very good and they have all the film fest But
I have no issue with a mission impossible tongue cruise.
That's done too, isn't it different days?

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Yeah? And the communal aspect of it is quite something.
So well, people complain about other people being there. I
went to the New Naked Gun movie and it was
an a pact theater and everyone was laughing, and I'd
sort of forgotten about that experience of just being for
some reason, it's funnier because other people are laughing. This
is the sort of the laughter of the theater can

(01:33:05):
take over.

Speaker 19 (01:33:07):
Oh absolutely. I went of salt Burn and about four
people left because they were so horrified. And I don't
think I've ever enjoyed something more.

Speaker 9 (01:33:15):
So.

Speaker 19 (01:33:15):
I loved the moral outrage as well, Like that isn't it.
You just get all those sorts of things going on
in a cinema.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Yeah, so no quietas that movie. I loved it, but yeah,
that was there was a lot of scene.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Well, salt Burn might be an example of how this
could work because salt Burn was made by Amazon for streaming,
but they did do a window in the movie theater
so people that wanted to see that in the theater
could see it.

Speaker 19 (01:33:39):
Yeah, and you know, maybe, like often the kind of
these streaming networks will have a cinema release first and
people can choose. But I just like I said, I
you know, I don't want to sound kind of telling
other people what to do, but I think it's just
really unfortunate that it's just another way for people not
to interact, how to the supermarket used to have to

(01:34:01):
check out by everything online, Like, it's just kind of
nice when people talk to each other.

Speaker 7 (01:34:06):
It's kind of good things.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Yeah, even if it's just talking to the person behind
the counter when you're buying the ticket and you know,
getting out of the house and interacting with the people
that you're not you know they're not they're not civilians
for one of a better word. But just the getting
out of the house, the dealing with the real world,
buying a ticket, sitting down experience of other people. I
absolutely love it. I mean there's there's also thank you

(01:34:30):
so much for your call. Care really appreciate it. Enjoy
the movies. But if one's another example that's been incredibly successful,
and it was made by Apple for their streaming service,
but it was huge in the box office and they're
only just bringing out it, said, one of the longest
windows in movie theaters of any movie in recent times
before it goes into you know, view at home whatever

(01:34:53):
they call it. And that was made for it by
a streaming service. Yeah. Yeah, but obviously Apple's made a
lot of money in the movie theater as well. So,
I mean, but what's what's concerning about it is that
the co CEO of Netflix has basically said we've bought
Warner Brothers to get people out of the movie theater

(01:35:13):
and sitting on the couch watching how he didn't say this,
but in my opinion, our watered down version of cinema.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Yeah, that's pretty much what he did say. I mean,
just quickly, because we've got the messages to play. But
the idea of directors, great directors that we know and love,
the Scorsese, Spelberg's, the Nolans. The idea that most of
these movies, it looks like, are just going to be
streamed and you watch them at home. I mean, that's
the death of the great director.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
We know these directors because they are so passionate about
that full on experience. And you talk about Red Notice
or any other of the Netflix originals that I've seen,
I'd have no idea who the director was, no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Well, you know that Christopher Nolan, that director and if
you don't know who he is, director's inception The Dark Night,
so Oppenhamer is the most recent one. He's got one
coming out really soon. I'll just remember what that is.
It's the odysseysy, yes, really looking for it. He's called
from meeting with Netflix. Go in and give them a
aar full god this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Yeah, good on them.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. How important is it for you to continue
going to the cinema? And if you're a cinema lover
and always have been, really can have a chat with
your nine two nine two's the text twenty seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
Or do you want the whole thing on the couch
in front of you? On Netflix?

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
For a good afternoon to You're twenty nine pass three
and we're talking about the Netflix Warner Brothers deal and
what that may mean for the traditional going to the
cinema and having that shit experience.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
The Cinay text. What all the older people do when
they have to take the grandchildren for the day, won't
be able to take them to the movies. Yeah, I
mean that's a great.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
Great day out for the kids percent and for parents.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Yeah. Water down version of cinema. Let's not forget Mark
Scorsese's The Irishman was one hundred percent Netflix production. James, Yes,
it was, but they ended up losing quite a lot
of money on that and The and the Talkers. That
Netflix is going to move away from those kind of
quality productions. Although I will say The Irishman, come on

(01:37:17):
that make it that young afying of Robert Denaro did
not work. I was so confused. He was supposed to
be twenty five at the start of the movie. He
looks he looked like an old man covered in wax.
Best getting to fight very very long. It did have
a bit of a cinema window.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Yeah, but good point. Keep those texts coming through. On
nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Juels your thoughts.

Speaker 18 (01:37:41):
Yeah, I think there's pros and cons for both. I mean,
I've got kids, so Netflix is always a great rainy
day we're at home. School holidays kind of you know fixture.
But I think if you, like you said before, if
you want the full experience, nothing beats the cinema. But
the cinema has become so expensive now.

Speaker 11 (01:38:01):
Like I'll give you an example.

Speaker 18 (01:38:02):
The last school holidays, I took my two nephews my
son and myself to the movies and it was one
hundred and thirty bucks and that was just tickets and popcorns.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
Is that more people do?

Speaker 7 (01:38:13):
Say?

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Jels?

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
Is that four people?

Speaker 18 (01:38:16):
It's three kids in one adult and that's you know,
that's not an economic reality for most people. So you
can see why Netflix has its you know, has its prose.
But but for me, I'm old school born in the seventies.
I love going to the movies, you know, loud noises
and hearing the soundtrack and it's it's an experience, but

(01:38:38):
it's become an increasingly expensive Do.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
You think there's anything in my argument that Netflix is
a lower quality of product than the movies, not all
of them, but definitely at the higher.

Speaker 18 (01:38:53):
When yeah, when you look at all of the we
quite often do the scrolling on a Saturday, what can
we watch? And probably eighty five percent of it is rubbish,
it's wrong coms, it's no brains, there's nothing, you know,
there's nothing that you're going to come away with going,
oh my gosh, there was a cinematic experience. Most of
it are actors you've never heard of, or it's actors

(01:39:14):
that you know, probably have passed their best before date,
the best by date by date. Yeah that's not being rude,
but you know, I'm just saying, but so yeah, it
will never beat it. But it's part of modern society now.
Everything's so accessible and so convenient. Can you can you
know ten things on and and and there's cutbaits and

(01:39:36):
all these and I have teenagers, so you know, they
are the cookbake champions right where they just.

Speaker 11 (01:39:40):
Scroll st scroll scull skulls.

Speaker 18 (01:39:43):
The attention spans have become a lot lower than they
used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Yeah, but when you go into the movies duels, because
you're forced to watch it, I feel like I feel
like attention spans are gained by people being annoyed by
their fire, you know, but they go to their phone,
and because you haven't, you haven't given the movie attention,
then it doesn't bring you in, if you know what
I mean. It's it's sort of a if you're in
the dark and you look at it, then then you

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can get locked in. But it's because you don't actually
get locked into the movie at home, you don't have
the same experience of it.

Speaker 18 (01:40:18):
And it's a choice because you're you're sort of in
the theater and you're with other people, and there's all
the social constructs of that where you've grown. You know,
it's all a bit client and they have to add
before films now, like please turn off your phone, you know.
So there's all of those you know, public service announcements
that people watch.

Speaker 10 (01:40:35):
So yeah, true different.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
And the cultural zeitgeist as well, Jewels.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
You know, I'm just trying to think of the last
big one that was in the movie theater, probably Barbie
and Oppenheimer. But I remember the Matrix when it first
came into the cinema because everybody was talking about, Holy Molly,
you're going to go see the Matrix And everyone had
to go down to the cinema to experience that, and
everyone was talking about it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
It was just part and part of general conversation. Very
rare to have that these days with a movie, particularly
a streaming movie.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Thank you so much for your call, Jeels. But there
are movies and movie makers that make movies for the
theater and they get people in like James Cameron, right, yep,
so Avatar, you know the Avatar movies. I always go
to them, you know, third ones out soon, yeah, but
I would never watch them at home. Because he makes
them purely for the movie theaters. And I think Christopher
Nolan's another another you know director like that where you've

(01:41:25):
got to go along the June movies recently as well.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Is it still important for you to go
to the movies at a cinema or are you okay
to just sit home and watch it on Netflix after
this big Warner Brothers movie deal. It is twenty six
to four.

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That's a long movie.

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Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
Much, Raylan. We're talking about going to the movies. Is
it still a big thing for you to go to
an actual cinema or are you okay sitting at home
and watching Netflix. We say this after the big deal.
Netflix is going to acquire Warner Brothers and HBO Max
and a one hundred and twenty five billion dollar deal.
But here's the quote that Netflix co CEO Ted Sarandous said.
He said Netflix was saving Hollywood and that movies going

(01:43:35):
to the movies is an outdated concept and an out
modern idea.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
How I sort of agree with this person when I
was slagging off Netflix and saying that, you know, their
quality wasn't as good. That's not across the board. I
think generally the quality is worse than Netflix, but they
do have some great stuff on there. I can't find
the tests of some may coming through. But this was
just basically saying they sat down and watched the first
four episodes of Stranger Things series five, and we're thoroughly

(01:44:02):
engrossed the whole way through. Yeah, yeah, so was I.
I really really enjoyed Stranger Things, and I watch a
lot of stuff. But I just if I'm looking at
Warner Brothers and the properties that Netflix now owns by
owning Water Brothers, and I was thinking about the history
of the movies that have made at Warner Brothers and
the culture of making great movies at that company, primarily
for the movie theater. I just can't see Netflix making

(01:44:25):
The Dark Knight or The Matrix or Goodfellas or The
Shawshack Redemption or Blade Runner or The Exorcist or two
thousand and one. I mean, this is going back a
long way with some of these ones with Warner Brothers
that departed, the Lord of the Rings trilogy that was
New Line but owned by Warner Brothers. Yeah, unforgiven, Harry
Potter movies, maybe the Fugitive Hate Gravity. I mean, there's

(01:44:48):
a lot in there. It's just grabbing some Warner Brothers
movies that just seem more cinematic to me than what
Netflix does. And there's no doubt the Netflix has rejuvenated
the TV series since they first did you know, they
decided to make their own Netflix products with House of
Cards and such. They have. There's been some fantastic Netflix
TV series. But I don't think that they've now the

(01:45:09):
movie yet because they pump them out and I just
don't want to see some of these properties that are movies.
I mean, do you want to watch a Netflix Shawshank Redemption.
They'll have the rights of that now turn into a
TV series where it's okay for about two episodes, then
it just goes into autopilot for about five just to
extend it out.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
That sounds criminal, But what do you say one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 7 (01:45:33):
Kate?

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Are your thoughts on the on the flex?

Speaker 16 (01:45:37):
Oh, well, we go to the movies all the time.
We're in our Fix season seventies and we're in Juneedain
and the advantages is that they get to know in
the theater, they know our coffee orders and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
Are you going on? Look which one A you're going
along to a dinner? You go along to the Rialto
and the Octagon a Rialto.

Speaker 16 (01:45:54):
But we're prior to support the Metro as well an
independent ye theater we go to they are usually afterwards
you know, we're even getting a discount there there when
we go. Because with the so often and the latest
lot of it, we've had three lots of movie festivals.
Has been the Italian, the International, and just has the

(01:46:17):
British and Irish and I probably went to seventeen out
of the twenty three movies. And my sister in law
she would go to every movie. And we've actually met
another man who's at the center and he goes as well.
He goes to every single movie that's on to see it.
But as I say, a lot of them are well
supported down here, But there are the older people that

(01:46:40):
seem to be going.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Do you have ne Lu's at home?

Speaker 14 (01:46:42):
Kat?

Speaker 10 (01:46:43):
Ok?

Speaker 16 (01:46:44):
Yeah, I've got Netflix, yes, and I watched it as
well many I like the series things, but we so
we go. There's just something about the movies where you
can just sit there and you're not distracted. And yeah,
and we've met quite a few people that couldn't even
look smaller of course, but we've met quite a few
people that you meet it for the movies and yeah,
that's great, we love it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
You're fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
I mean, just the idea going down to the bar
and discussing the movie that you've just watched.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
Love there. It's still part of that experience, right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
I've just thought of a Netflix movie that I thought
was good. The First Knives Out, Oh yes, The Secondknives
Out was a horror. It was terrible, made no sense
and they made the absolute criminal plot point that you're
not allowed to use in a murder mits mystery the
Agatha Christie outlined a long time ago. I'm not going
to say it in case you watched it, but.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
That was a glass onion?

Speaker 17 (01:47:33):
Was it?

Speaker 10 (01:47:33):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Glass Onion? And they've got the new ones coming out,
the New Knives out, so hopefully it's good, but I
think that would be more in juryaboil in the movie theater.
Then yeah, but yeah, they do they you know, it's
not to say that everything they make is rubbish.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
Klaus was amazing. Did you ever watch Klaus the animated?
That was a brilliant Netflix creation, but again few and
far between. I think that came out five years ago.
Got to take a quick break, but taking more of
your calls, O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do
you still love going to the cinema or you're all
about watching it at home?

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Love to hear from you back in the mow, the.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
Be It is fourteen to four and we're talking about
going to the cinema. Is it still a big thing
for you?

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Now? You have pushed back on me and found a
few Netflix films that are of a high quality.

Speaker 7 (01:48:23):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
So I've just gone through.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
So the First Knives out, as you mentioned, that was good,
uncut gems with Adam Sandler.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Fantastic, grateful, It's so stressful.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
Very stressful.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
All Quite on the Western Front was a Netflix original
that was fantastic. I'll put Extraction in there with Chris
hemswith I really like that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
Both those movies are good.

Speaker 7 (01:48:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
And Triple Frontier was another war one that was fantastic
and that had just been with me Oscar Isaac ben
Fleck and Charlie Hunham and it and Pedro a young
Pedro Pascal. But I really enjoyed that one too.

Speaker 22 (01:48:54):
And your thoughts, I'm just ringing because I welcome more
things coming into my house so I can watch them
on the television. I lost my husband quite young, and
I tend to not want to go out so much,
and I do watch quite a lot of the TV,

(01:49:16):
and most of it's trash. I usually it usually has
to be reality TV. I enjoy that most of all.
And there have been some good ones, as David Attenborough
there was a Flight to the Moon like those real
life ones. But you know, there are people that can't
just get out. I've done things to myself. I've damaged

(01:49:38):
myself that they can't get in and out very well
to the pictures, and you're forgetting that. But we're still
here and we've still got brains going.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
That's a shame that you can't get out in but
the But and if they're in the movie theater, they
still make it to to in front of you, they
still make it into the streamers. Eventually, there's just a
longer window. And and the idea is that that that
we're really talking about is that that Netflix will then
be in charge artistically of the of the properties that
Warner Brothers own. So I guess the concern for us

(01:50:10):
is that the Netflix will lower the quality of the
films because they're not being made directly for cinema. But
you will get to see them, you know, right now,
you do get to see them eventually, that might just
be three months after they come out in the theater exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:50:27):
And I know there will be problems like that, but
I wouldn't go down to the pictures now. I wouldn't
be comfortable. I've done various things like breaking my arm
and things like that, and I just wouldn't go down
and I'd miss out on it. And so you just
have to tick. There are people that could do at home.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Yep, it's fair end. Thank you very much for your
phone call, Sierra. How are you.

Speaker 23 (01:50:51):
I haven't mentioned Tyler, excuse me. I've got some advice
for grandparents. And there's cost of living crisis. So by
the time they've paid for the tickets for the grandparents,
the grandchildren, the food during the picture, and the parking,
probably spends about one hundred and fifty dollars right just
for one movie. So my solution is, I haven't been

(01:51:14):
to the pictures for fifteen years?

Speaker 16 (01:51:16):
How many?

Speaker 9 (01:51:17):
How many years?

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Family is do you say, sir?

Speaker 11 (01:51:19):
But fifteen fifteen, one?

Speaker 7 (01:51:22):
Five?

Speaker 23 (01:51:22):
Ok, yep, yeah, yeah, because you don't have to. All
you have to do is get a DVD player. You
can watch as many movies as you want, only for
three dollars each at the charity op shop. So I've
got over one hundred DVDs. And what the grandparents should
do instead of spending one hundred and fifty dollars, take
the kids along to a knock shop that they've got
a big children's section of DVDs. Let them pick out three,

(01:51:46):
you pick out three. You could get six DVDs for
under twenty dollars, and anyone should do that. Old people
can't get to the if they can't get into the
theater because of theirbility issues. If you've got a DVD player,
but twenty one dollars you could buy seven DVDs and
that's what you can watch over the holidays. They've got
I mean, I've I've got everything from John Wan There's
down to maybe there's children, Steve McQuinn. They've got TV

(01:52:09):
series you know, yes, honestly check.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
Thank you very much, Sarah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
So that's slightly off topic, but appreciate it, Sarah. Going
back to the DVDs, Yeah, I mean Netflix started off
being a DVD mail outservice.

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Yeah, but you can definitely get cheap DVDs out there.
Sarah is one hundred percent right. But is it the
same experience as going and sitting in the dark in
a movie theater. I'm watching on a huge screen with
the incredible sound system and the interacting with people, and
I get that some people can't get out of the house,
but some can.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
Yep, and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
The head of Netflix are saying he wants to take
the movies out of the movie theater and have it
only at home.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
He reckons he's saving Hollywood as well. What do you say, Andrew, Yeah, I.

Speaker 11 (01:52:51):
Agree with them.

Speaker 21 (01:52:52):
Look, I went to the movies for the first time
and probably eight years. A couple of months ago, I
paid I think it was twenty seven dollars each to
go and watch a movie, nineteen dollars for a glass
of wine each, eight dollars for an ice cream the
size of my face nail, and then was bombarded by

(01:53:12):
half an hour of ads. And then I discovered I
can fall asleep in the movies just as well as.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
Absolutely How good are sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
I'm just impressed by the size of Andrew's thumbnails.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Yeah, that's a It's either a big thumbnail or an
incredibly tiny ice cream.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Seems like about the size of a tennis ball.

Speaker 7 (01:53:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
How good are the trailers?

Speaker 7 (01:53:33):
Though?

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
When you go to the cinemata the trailer of Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
If you don't want to watch the ads, your time,
it so arrive a bit later. But yeah, part of
going to the movies is to watch the trailers. If
you're mean, I love them.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Yeah, it's so good. Right, We're gonna play some messages
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Yeah, it's a fun time.

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Those are two fantastic theme parks on the GOLDI oh
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so so freaking good. Hi guys, I think my fam
I think for my family we watch on Netflix movies
that are pretty basic. But if we want to go
to the movies, we'll watch a Blockbuster or the new
Avatar one, which we'll watch because it's a bit more cinematic.
So that's how we judge it. That's true. There are movies,

(01:54:33):
as are saying before that, that are, you know, for
the movie theater. So hopefully that continues.

Speaker 9 (01:54:40):
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