Full Show Podcast: 08 July 2026

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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hello and welcome to News Talk CB Afternoons. I'm Matt
Heath and I'll be with you live for the next
three hours until four pm when the two time New
Zealand Broadcaster of the Year here, the Duplessy Allen, will
take over. The number here in case you didn't know,
it is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And after two
pm we'll have economics commentator and CEO of Informetrics Brad

(00:50):
Olson in to discuss the upcoming Osier announcement, Which way
will they go? And coming up very so soon, I
want to talk about cycle lanes and tradey site access
on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. But first I
want to build a shed. I really want to shed.
So what kind of shed should I get? Are there

(01:13):
good kit set ones out there that you can recommend?
I've been looking at so many pre built sheds online
and I've got to that sort of paralysis of decision
because there's so many options, you know, do you reckon
I should just make it myself, do you reckon? I
could just get some weather boards and some four to
two and half up a shed. That is that a

(01:34):
hard thing to do for someone that doesn't have a
lot of a lot of building skills, you know? And
what have you got right and wrong with the shed?
I mean I don't even what size door. I guess
you need to get a lawn mower sized door. Have
you got any advice? Text me on nine two nine two.
I want it to be about three meters why two

(01:56):
meters high and about too deep, so big enough for
the lawn mower and some paint and some tools and
any garden you know, like rakes and stuff. So yeah,
I want to use the ZB oracle on nine two,
nine two to help me make a decision. I want

(02:17):
the perfect shed. Ladies and gentlemen, someone out there will
know what it is. All right, on to this topic
for the hour. So a Wellington plumber says some jobs
are now costing clients up to thirty percent more when
homes are on streets with cycle ways, no parking, punishing

(02:37):
speed bumps, all that terrible access. And this is not
just a Wellington problem. Every job needs a massive load
in and load out wherever you are. Not so long
ago we were talking about the team rebuilding Saint James
the Saint James Theatre in Auckland City and they had
absolutely no where to load in and at kept stinging

(03:00):
them with parking tickets for just trying to get the
job done done. This is of course terrible for productivity.
You know, tradees, couriers and other service workers don't necessarily
hate cycle lanes. They may, but they don't necessarily hate
cycle lanes. I mean, some people might hate that cyclist

(03:23):
that texted me before and said that they were better
than me because they cycled. You might hate that particular cyclist,
but a lot of these tradees, careers and service workers
don't necessarily hate cycle lanes. But there seems to be
a logic flow. Some modern street designs are based on
anti car, anti ute, anti truck ideology, making it incredibly

(03:48):
hard to upload, unload your tools, materials, scaffoldings, your diggers,
your skips and all the heavy gear you actually need
to get a job done. And residents on Artro Street
and other tight Wellington streets recon councils have failed to
plan for mixed street use. Great for bike lanes and

(04:10):
other projects, but punishing for anyone who needs a plumber, builder, roofer,
mover or courier. So what's your experience A site's getting
harder to access because of cycle lane speed bumps, removed
parks and fancy council projects. Is it slowing jobs down
and costing everyone more? And if so, what can actually

(04:30):
be done about it? I mean, have they ever pulled
up a cycle lane because it hasn't worked out? Has
that ever happened anywhere in New Zealand? Have you ever
seen a cycle lane been restored just to a normal
street before? And out of pure interest for me, what
are the craziest site access nightmares out there? Have you

(04:52):
got one? Have you worked on one? A house up
three hundred steps or something A digger delivered by chopper,
a skip bim that needed I don't know, two Sherpas
and a Clydesdale to get up there. This texta says,
if it's not yellow lines or so I called lanes,
it's some stupid no parking rules and this Texas has

(05:14):
forget trades on the courier it is impossible to deliver
stuff in the city, all right, How hard is it
to get access to your site? Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. It is twelve minutes past one. You're listen
to News Talk ZB your calls in a moment, the.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons Used Talk
zed B.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Welcome back. It is a quarter past one. You're listening
to Matt Heath on Used Talk ZB. According to trades
across the country, access to sites is getting harder and
harder thanks to council plans. What is your experience? This
textas says, this is such a beat up one street
is hard to get in and tradees are upping prices.

(06:04):
Just do your job. Your job is getting stuff in
to build. This text to, however, says it's almost not
worth any of this anymore. Seriously, if I go to
a site without good access, why bother? You have to
quote too much to get the job done. And this
says Einstein the trade he doesn't deliver the skip. The

(06:27):
skip is delivered by the skip company. Is that true?
I don't know if the skip is delivered by the
skip company, so I guess it is delivered by the
skip company. But it's all part of it, right, It's
all part of the same job. I mean, you have
to get the skip in. If you have to get
the skip in, whoever has to do it. Recently, my
co host Tyler had to get a skip delivered to

(06:49):
his house for some work and he was pretty impressed
until I think the skip smashed into the side of
the house. This Texas says a cycle way was removed
from Knight's Road and Lower Heart because it didn't work
for residents exiting their driveways and was very rarely used
by cyclists. So there is something you can do about it.
You can you can get someone to move a cycle

(07:12):
lane if it's if it's really bad, because people sort
of think, well, what's the point about it, because you
can't get something change. But there there's a cycle way
on Knight's Road that that was moved because because it
wasn't working, Hi Matt. If the e bikes were unrestricted
or restricted to fifty five can mean as the speed limit,

(07:33):
they wouldn't need cycle lanes. It's a manufacturated problem for
IF's sake, says Dave so I'll just get my head
around there. If the e bikes were unrestricted or restricted
to fifty five kilometers an hour. So I see, so
they're just about on the road with the with the
other cars. Yeah, sure, absolutely. When I was getting my

(07:59):
house worked on recently, basically everyone was just all over
the booms, that's what where they parked there. I mean,
we've got this punishing we've got this punishing speed bump
at in the front of our house. So trade's just
just parked on the burn. It was. It was sweet ass.

(08:20):
Now I'm getting a lot of pushback here from the
shid I was talking about building. People are saying, met,
you're building a cupboard, not a shed. I'm being shamed
for the side of size of shared that I'm trying
to build, because the shared I want to build is

(08:41):
I think it's going to be, and I think this
is a side topic. We're actually talking about side excess.
But I threw out the cheered things, so it's coming out.
So I want to build a cheered that's three meters
by two meters high by two wide. But that's only
the shared I need. There's no point in me building
a farm sized shared for a tractor when all I've
got to put in there is my mass port and
a few rakes. There's absolutely no point this Texas says

(09:07):
for a suburban trade, we charged nineteen dollars a day
for ninety days for one trading. That is two hundred
and forty twenty four hundred and seventy costs to build,
but there's never worked one trading, right okay? So if
you charge nineteen a day for access, I see right? Okay?
So well Wellington City Council charged nineteen a day for

(09:29):
ninety days for one trading. That is twenty four hundred
and seventy costs to build, but there's never one trading,
right okay? This text says the access is terrible for
amusing emergency services, that is right. So what do you
think about this? So many texts coming through, so many
people wanting to talk about the shit. How hard is

(09:52):
it to get access to your site? Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty do you have a crazy access
to your house that make it difficult for builders to
get in? And as our cycle lanes rarely causing that
much problem, that tradees mean to quote an extra thirty
percent one hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is nineteen

(10:13):
minutes past one. We'll back with your calls in just
a moment.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Fearless, focused, informed. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Stephen Topless, ben Zi's head of researchers with us. How
bullish on a high car are you?

Speaker 3 (10:27):
We're reasonably confident that rates will go up. I mean,
the more important question here I think that everyone needs
to get their heads around is that even the most
dubbish forecaster still thinks that rates are going to go
up across the rest of this year. And that's what
people have got to get their heads around. Three rate
increases are already priced into the market, So when you're
thinking about your mortgage rates and your cost of borrowing, generally,

(10:48):
unless you're on a floating rate, you're not likely to
see a substantial move in those rates given that it's
already priced in.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZB. It is twenty minutes twenty
one minutes past one on News TALKB. You're listening too,
mad Heath. We're talking about trades and careers and other
service people saying it's getting harder and harder to stop
and unload and get the job done. What is your experience, Oh,

(11:18):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty this textas says, imagine these Yeah,
this is a really good point. I know you're not
in New York and London. Imagine these New New Zealand
tradees trying to work there. They have no hope in
hell of coping. Dave. Yeah, when you go to other
European cities around the world, like the really really really

(11:40):
old ones like Paris and and well London and Barcelona
and such, and you see what the trades are dealing
with there, it is absolutely insane. But I think over
there they just accept that it's going to be a
shmozzle shamozzle and you know, there's just some emergency lights
and you just get about your business. Like in Paris

(12:02):
they have those those big sort of ladder things that
they put up when people are moving into houses with
a they're just all over the streets because there's no
way to get through the through the front door. So
so they just have ways of doing it. But be
absolutely right, if people are are people having trouble doing

(12:25):
building in any part of New Zealand, even our big
cities and they would not like it over in New York,
London or Paris. Welcome to show, Andrew, I don't he
a very good Thank you your thoughts on this.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
So I run a corporate catering business in Auckland City,
so we deliver a lot of catering into the city
and I've got three delivery cars and trying to find
parking spaces to deliver is a night.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Now, it's just a.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Mission because I mean I have to reregister all my
cars to be able to park in loading zones, right,
and so you truck up queen seat to go drop
off drop offs, I think, and all it's all the
taxis and you're there and say, hey mate, you know
this is a loading zones, off loading and loading, and
they're like, well we are loading loading people and you're like.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Nombly the same thing. And because they're because because they're
sitting in the car, then they've got no no, no
chance of getting pained because they'll just drive off of
a parking person comes fast.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, I mean they're not supposed to be there. So
I called at before and said, hey, you know these
guys are Oh they're not supposed to be there, but
we can't see anybody because we're a short start. But
but yeah, it's a nightmare. And yeah, like the whole
of Queen Street now is there's cycle lanes and bus
lanes where you can't drive up and you get pinned
and ticketed and just so yeah, it's really tough to
and I get it for like careers and to some

(13:49):
pieces emis have an absolute nightmare. They're running around the
city all day trying to find parking shops and is.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
It getting worse? Andrew when you experience how long have
you been in the in the catering business for.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
I've been doing this one for about three years, And yeah,
I mean, you know, they're more and more roadbrooks that
turn up you you know, you see them throwing out
tones and you think, okay, what's going on here?

Speaker 6 (14:08):
All certain cycle lane.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Goes in, or a bus land goes in, or a
pistan crossing groves and all the car tarks go and yeah,
it just becomes a real nightmare. So it's yeah, I
get I get it, and poor tradees. I mean in
the outskirts of the city it's probably a little bit easier,
but yeah, in the city, it's just an absolute nightmare.
There is just nowhere to temporary park to drop off.

(14:30):
So we end up walking, you know, half a kilometer
where's food to.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
Deliver it to a business?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah? And would you ever turn down a job because
of the access? Is it even just not worth the effort?
Because if you if you're gonna have to walk in
all the stuff, you know, a kilometer, is that worth
you with your time?

Speaker 7 (14:48):
Andrew?

Speaker 8 (14:50):
It is school.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yeah, look, we can't would sneak your ways around it
if anybody asking that old tonight, But yeah, we you know,
we we kind of figure ways around it. And Google.
Google is our best friend. You know, get on Google
Maps and find out where there's a back alley or
or a temporary parking zone somewhere or a lot of
places have loading zones, so like a lot of big
companies that were delivered to have a loading zone. So

(15:12):
we just plead with them, say can we have access
to you a loading zone just temporarily, And most of
them are okay. But again that's another issue because they're
going to have your passes and swape keys and all
kinds of stuff. So it does seem to be a
bit of a mission.

Speaker 8 (15:25):
But we get there.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
I mean, you know, we'd we're still you know, with
the US coast, we've you know.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Right and get.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, because I find it difficult enough. I say, one
of my kids wants to do something in the city.
They want to okay road down Queen Street, or is
that they want to go to some something down there,
they want to buy something. I find it almost impossible
to drop them off. And I think this is almost
like they've decided that the City rail Link is going
to solve all those problems and that when that comes in,

(15:58):
people will go in the city railly, but that you're
not going to be taking your I don't know what
kind of catering you do, but you know, taking place
sausage rolls in on the city railing gate.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
You exactly that'll be soggy as hell. But the time
we get there, yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. I mean,
we deliver kind of you know, for sixty odd people,
so we've got a big jolley load of food. So yeah,
we kind of need to part close and it's what
the loading zones are for.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
But yeah, a lot of people just.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Look at the loading zone thinking, oh, I can just
skip in here and pick you for a while. It
doesn't matter, But I mean it doesn't matter, you know
for people who are yeah, trying to offload stuff, get.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Out of the loading zones. Your dirty text you driver,
thank you for your call. Andrew. The six is taxi
on loading zone. The driver knows the council is not
enforcing those rules. Being a treading siss text. It's annoying
with limited side access, but allowance is given if there's
a big shed in the way, oops or here we go.

(16:53):
Aren't they just saying there is a cost Paris and London,
et cetera. You still pay, Yeah, But I mean if
you're if you're about to do some work on your
house and you've already been quoted and there's materials and
costs and everything's going through the roof, and then on
top of that they're adding another thirty percent for site access,

(17:14):
for difficult site access. Then it just begets to the
point where you go, I'm just not doing I'm not
just doing the job. But there's so much shared advice
coming through. We're a nation of sheared lovers. As I
said before that I'm wanting to build a shed. We're
getting a lot of sheared office. This is kind of
a cash for comment situation where I've mentioned sheds and

(17:34):
there's a lot of sheds coming out of the world
work all right, punishing site access, cycle lanes and other
council flights of fantasy making things hard for you. And
you know what about your own place or have you
worked in a place with crazy site access. We'd love
to hear your stories. News headlines are next with Scarlett Swatanovich.

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Speaker 2 (19:20):
It is what time is it? It's twenty eight minutes
to two? So a Wellington plumber says, some jobs and
our costing clients up to thirty percent more when homes
are on streets with cycleways, no parking, punishing speed bumps
or just terrible access. And look this isn't just a
Wellington probably problem. Every job needs a massive loading, a

(19:42):
massive punishing loading and load out wherever you are. So
is it becoming harder to get into your sites? You know,
what about what about a law change to solve the
situation where you are actually allowed to park on cycle
lanes if you are building or doing business, if you're
a courier, if you're dropping something off, if you're a caterer, whatever,

(20:04):
if you need to do something, because cycle lanes are
kind of nice to have, but if you're on a
cycle you can you can always stop and go round.
I mean, you can go onto the footpath or you
can go onto the road for a little bit. When
when I was a Kidosh used to ride to school
on the roads. It weren't really that many cycle loans
in Dunedin if any. So, I mean it's not like

(20:24):
the end of the world if a cyclist goes onto
the footpath or the road for the duration of you know,
going around a skip or something. I mean with cyclists,
if you're a cyclist, would you really get that angry
about that? If you could see that someone is doing something,
you know, you've got a caterer dropping something off, or
you've got some builders unloading there, you are you really

(20:46):
going to be that angry at them that they've parked
in your cycle lane? Well, well they do that. I
mean if you're a cyclist, would you would you really
mind people parking the I don't know, I don't I
don't think. I don't think I would really care. So
I was going to talk about this because last night
I was on the phone to my dad and this
is slightly off topic, but I was on the phone

(21:07):
to my dad and he's building the Cries of the
building out of Lego, and just coincidentally, he was talking
about the site access problems of building the cries of
the building in midtown Manhattan in the when would that
have been built? I think it was nineteen thirties. It
was the race to build, you know, the highest building

(21:30):
you could in mid time, mid midtown Manhattan. I think
he was trying to beat the Empire State Building on
the corner of forty second Street in Lexington. And they
had you know, two thousand, nine hundred and sixty one
tons of structural steil steel, three hundred ninety eight hundred
and eighty one rivets, three thousand, three million, eight hundred
and ninety six bricks, thousands of windows, wirings, lifts, tools

(21:53):
and workers, and the steel frames had to go up
four floors. They had to build four floors a week
to get it to try and beat every beam and
brick decorative peace have to arrive in the exact right
order and be unloaded in the tight city space you
can puss imagine, then lifted hundreds and hundreds of feet
into the air. It was like building a skyscraper on

(22:17):
a postage stamp. Like tiny site, huge dob busy streets,
massive layout area, vertical delivery, you know, chaos if anything
got out of order and had to do it incredibly
hard with specialist materials. There was the secret spire that
everyone knows about that they are building. So you know,
if you've got if you're struggling to do a build

(22:39):
in site access in Wellington, just think about what was
happening in nineteen thirty in midtown Manhattan, like my dad
is as he builds his little lego project. Graham, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 10 (22:51):
Yeah goody. I've just got a little story. And christ
Riach here. There was a house on quite a busy
road and it was putting a swimming pull in and
when it came to putting the shell or the sweet
paul in, if they had to put it in from
the street that it was on, they had to block

(23:12):
the street off about a million road clones, a million
people with little signs. So what they did is they
came around the back street into where I am, a
little cul de sac there, and they bought a shuge,
big crane lifted over the house at the end of
the street, or a two story house. It was a

(23:32):
big crane, and lifted a swimming pool up right over
this two story house and dropped it into the house of.

Speaker 11 (23:39):
The back.

Speaker 10 (23:42):
Piecea cake. There's always you know, if you're a bit
of enough to get around some of these little problems.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, but but do they have a cycle lane to
deal with program?

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Well, no, they.

Speaker 10 (23:57):
Didn't because my little street doesn't have a cycle lane.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
So there you go.

Speaker 10 (24:02):
There Have they gone into the main street and that
would have been.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, right, And hang on a minute, So sort of
what size pool? And we talking here, Graham?

Speaker 10 (24:12):
Well, I'm not much good at leagues, but it was
quite a big one.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Quite a big one.

Speaker 10 (24:17):
Yeah, yeah, you know, big enough for a decently two strokes,
voice flies and leagues wise.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
So yeah, and and was there a traffic management plan
or was just pull up and get it done?

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (24:31):
Only had a couple of blokes standing around, you know,
to making sure that, which I guess they had to,
but no, it wasn't a huge big deal because it
was a colder stack right at the edge and the
little top of the key ring type thing. So and
they just came round to steel, We're going to do this.
Is there any problem and if you need to get

(24:52):
your car out, get it out by this time and
we'll know you there for a couple of hours and
it was great. It was quite trying to watch.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Again, Good Graham, thank you for your call. Yeah, I
mean there is ways to do things. And if you
happen to want to have a pool that has to
be you know, lifted up of a crossed a two
story house, then you can have that, but it's not
going to be cheap it. Can you specify what you
mean by bike lanes? Do you mean the yellow lines
with bikes stay that line on the main road because

(25:21):
there's two bike tracks here. One no cars allowed. A
boon goes to the boys' High school since nineteen fifty
three approx. I'm so excused, but I'm so confused by
the sticks. But no, I just mean any any cycle
lane if you can, if you can get into it,
because there's the overly engineered cycle lanes. We have got
the big concrete edge to them, and all those ones

(25:45):
as well. If someone needs to get a job done,
then the importance of the cycle lane becomes secondary to
needing the job done. If you need the catering dropped off,
if you need the tools put into the site, whatever
you need to do. If something needs to be done
at a site, then for whatever duration of that site,
is the luxury item that is a cycle lane in

(26:07):
New Zealand can just turn into a parking situation. You know,
still most of the time you're not gonna have cars
park there. But when when it is needed for productivity
and building, then the cycle lane. There should be a
law change in my opinion that you can use the
cycle lane. But what do you think one hundred and
eighteen eighty how hard is it to load in and
out in a model cycle lane infested city. You're listening

(26:29):
to Matt Heath on News Talk zib it is twenty
one minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Used Talk sib it is eighteen minutes to two. You're
listening to me Matt Heath on newsed Talk CREB, and
we're talking about the challenges of cite access with cycle
lanes and stuff. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number nine two ninety two. If you want to
give me a text. I was saying before, maybe cycle
lanes should become hybrid. There's cycle lanes when no one's

(27:03):
got any work to do. But if someone has to
get into a site, then they can part if you've
got a if you've got a load tools in or
food or whatever you want to do, you're a courier,
or if there's an emergency. This text does not agree.
They say stay the hell out of my cycle lane
or I'll key your stupid Ford Ranger.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Okay, why specifically a Ford Ranger. There's a lot of
hate towards Ford Rangers out there. There's a lot of
love because they're the you know, obviously one of the
highest selling cars in the country. But Ford Ranger has
become I don't know, a target of kind of like
Tesla's or a target of anger for some reason. At
some point, Ford Rangers are a target of anger. This

(27:42):
text also disagrees with my brilliant plan. What a piece
of crap. Comment. Cycle lanes are there for bikes, not
for couriers to get in my way. Oh, get in
my way and you will find out. So when I
asked the question whether cyclists would get angry, and this
text says you have to ask if cyclists would get angry,

(28:02):
it turns out they would. Mate. I'm disgusted with you
thinking of oh buying a pre mage shed pathetic harding
up before so many shed texts coming through sus welcome
the show. How are you today?

Speaker 12 (28:15):
Oh? Hi, I think I'm going to meet those two
people were just seeing messages. I got lost in christ
Street City and in my car and I was driving
along and I was thinking I'll just pull over, but
it was all yellow lines, so there was nowhere to go.
So here's this gorgeous why cycle lane. Nobody there? Up

(28:39):
and down? Check the redition around. Pulled in so I
could check my Google Maps. Well, first one things like hell,
next one that abuses me. Now the guy stopped, slowed down,
looked at me in the window and pulled a face.
I thought, oh my god, and I had the car running.

(28:59):
So I mean talk about attitudes, yeah, I mean yeah, terrible.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
It's an interesting one, isn't it. It's kind of like
in mind me of you know, at high school, you
could get like a slightly bullied kid, and then the
bullied kid becomes popular and then they start bullying other kids.
Thinking about that with cycle lanes. For the longest time
they are on the roads getting getting hassled, and now
that they have cycle lanes, any any indiscretion at all

(29:27):
in the cycle lane is met with with well, judging
by the amount of texts coming through on this issue,
every indiscretion in the cycle lane is met with indignation
from from the cyclists.

Speaker 12 (29:39):
Yeah, and we try and be curteous to the cyclist.
I live in Nelson, and you know, we've got cyclists
all around the place, and you're always slowing down, making
sure you're wide and all the rest of it. But
to pull on this lane, it was almost like I'd
gone to their backyard and started taking something out of
the garden or something.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Well, but you got you got at live suits, you
got your looked Yeah, you looked up your map and
found the way home, and you're all good.

Speaker 11 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, oh good.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
You survived the federal cyclist's abuse. This Texas says are
you going to read my article? Did you read my
article that I sent you? Okay, we'll click on it.
Women forced to park This is from twenty twenty sixth
seventh of July. Okay, so this is from yesterday. Women
forced to park across bike lanes so disabled husbands can
get into home. Wellington woman's suitate has been abused for cyclists.

(30:34):
My god, there's so many people texting with cyclist abuse
here as she is forced to park across the bike
lane so her disabled husband can get into her house
after the street was stripped of parking over the past
three years, Wellington's Arah Here we go. This is Arrow
Street had eighteen residents and fifty two coupon car parks
removed and replaced with an uphol cycleway. This is the

(30:54):
same spot that's causing the problem for the for the tradees.
That means there was no way to pull over safely
along the main road through the suburb of ro Valley.
See that's the thing. When you start you're in a
spike and someone's parking the cycle lane, you start abusing them.
You know, you don't know what's going on in their life.
You don't know if they've got a disabled husband or not. Colin,

(31:16):
Welcome to the show. How are you. You're a construction
project manager?

Speaker 13 (31:20):
All I was on yeah team, we're retired now so
but yeah, but I was, and I did several big
projects in town in the middle of Auckland. And when
you're pricing jobs, when you're working up these jobs, you've
got to allow for deliveries, you've got to allow for parking,
and it's all added into the price of the job.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. Yeah, this is what this builder is saying, that
he's having to add an extra thirty percent on for access.
But doesn't that get to the point where it's ruling
you You know, people go, well, I mean thirty percent
is a lot, right on a big project, right, that's
I mean, that's you're basically adding another third on. So
isn't that the difference between the job going ahead and

(32:02):
not going ahead? Colin?

Speaker 13 (32:04):
Well, it may be, but it's not. But all the
contractors will be doing the same for certainly those who
have experienced because you only need to lose money on
one job because you can't excess and you lose money,
and no one's out here to lose money. Ye make
make an honestyllar.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah, right, yeah, if you can't exit.

Speaker 13 (32:25):
It's the same as if you have a site that
can't be accessed by road and you've got a helicopter
everything in Yeah, your price.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, I guess I guess why people are complaining about
this though, is because there's historical problems like that, or
you know, you've been you know, we're talking about Paris
and London and stuff and the way it's being built,
or you can talk about those crazy sites and other
parts of Wellington up three hundred steps or whatever it is.
But what they're saying is that this is a problem
that has been created that didn't need to be created

(32:56):
in roval, like it was possible to do jobs there
and then they've put cycle lanes and so it's not possible.
So what do you what do you think about that?
Do you think that when councils are made decisions they
should think about site access for people and places that
people can park so they can do business com.

Speaker 13 (33:18):
It would be a good idea for the council to
do that, but they're hell being and all the councils
are the same hell being on building these cycle ways
for the limited number of cyclists who actually use them.
I mean I go along Temicky drive regularly and there's
cyclists who want to use the roadway, and they've spent
millions building a beautiful cycle way. There'll be nobody on

(33:42):
the cycleway and there'll be a there'll be cyclists on
the roads.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
So yeah, is that part of it? Well, yeah, I mean,
I mean, I mean I've used cycle lanes a lot
is to ride to work for the longest time, and
then I moved to New New York CB and they
gave me a park in the building. So now I've
been driving in, but before that I was cycling in.
But I never really got angry if someone was in
the cycle lane. Okay, well you're in the cycle lane,

(34:06):
you're doing something. I'll just go into the path or
off the footpath. So maybe the cycle lanes are a
good thing. But do they need to be enforced one
thousand or could they just be they're there? Generally speaking,
you get a free ride in, but sometimes you have
to go around a ute that's unloading some stuff.

Speaker 13 (34:25):
Con Yeah, yeah, I think so, I mean use the
road and there might be a bus packed in the road,
and then you've got to go round the bus.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, if you're in a cap Yeah, Well, I was
teaching my son to drive, and I was teaching my
son to drive, and he was saying, the difficult thing
about learning to drive is there's so many variables on
the road with things that you don't expect to be
there that you have to go round. I mean, that's
just life, So why should it be any different for cyclists? Hey,
thank you so much for you call, Colin. I really

(34:53):
appreciate it. We're discussing difficult We're discussing we're discussing why
can I say that right? We are discussing difficult site
access for trade's and such. Have you turned down jobs
because of difficult access? We'll be back in a few
moments that I'm It was one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
It is nine minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News talks.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
'b welcome back. Thanks for tuning in on Matt Heath
and you're listening to News Talks. It'd be it is
seven minutes to two and we are talking about difficult
access to sites and the costs of it thanks to
it would seem the main focus of the conversation is
to turn to cycle lanes. Jake, welcome to the show.

(35:45):
Hey mate, thanks for having me, No, thanks for calling
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 14 (35:50):
Yeah, I just thought i'd rang up.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
It's a cool discussion.

Speaker 15 (35:52):
You know.

Speaker 14 (35:53):
I'm not a trade but I've got skin in the game.
I guess. I drive and I bike, you know, and
I've just had some thoughts around you know, uh, you know,
if it's a common practice in to have roadworks where
you divert pedestrian ways where you you know, have ways
of navigatting lead still letting cars through. And I think

(36:14):
it's the kind of thing that we'll just have to
evolve eventually for bikes, you know. And I'm not sure
if the council should have come up with rules for
it beforehand, whether they should have. I feel like it's
the kind of thing that is just a teasing issue
that we have potential to solve as a city.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
So people are like, you know, cycle lanes are relatively
new things, so they're going hard protecting the sanctity sanctity
of them right now, but really, over time we might
have to sort of grow up a little bit with
them and go, well, you know, they can't always be
be completely protected and if needs be then you know,

(36:54):
and you've got some stuff to do, then then you
can park them and get your job done.

Speaker 14 (36:59):
Yeah, i'd say a bit of growing up on both sides.
You know, I've been on the road as a as
a cyclist and I've had my you know, have my
fair share of people trying.

Speaker 16 (37:07):
To run me down.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt that happened.

Speaker 14 (37:11):
If you go, Jake say oh, yeah, no, sorry, I know.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I was just saying there's no doubt that that. You know,
people talking about angry cyclists, but there's no doubt that
in New Zealand we also have angry car drivers and
new drivers.

Speaker 14 (37:26):
Yeah, it kind of goes both ways. I think, you know,
people are used to what the way about what they've
always had, so I can understand the anger on both sides.
You know, something's inconvenient, something's unexpected, something could turn out
to be a dangerous situation. Someone bears out into the road,
and you know, if it's a cyclist, you know, I
can kind of get that they'd be mad. The difference

(37:46):
between a car into traffic because if there's someone parked
here versus a cyclist doing it, as the cyclist doesn't
protected by a steel frame.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, that's a good point, Jake, Thank you so much
for your for your core. Yeah, just go around the
vehicle and chill out, says Steffan. The sun will still
come out tomorrow, and this business says regards to slight
access in Wellington, it'll almost always be challenging because the
roads are almost always narrow and it is very windy.

(38:16):
That's true. Hey, Now, this next chat that I want
to talk about in the following hour is kind of
on the same thing. And a survey say that those
in their mid thirties, forties and fifties are getting angrier
and angrier. It's making life tougher for everyone. So do
you find yourself with someone you love getting grumpier, angrier
and what have you done about it? What makes you angry?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty That seems to fit

(38:38):
in with the angry cyclist chat that we're having right now.
Thanks for tuning in. You're listening to Matt Heath on
newstalk z'd be. It is three minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
See after the news, the big stories, the big issues,
the big trends, and everything in between. Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoon ex News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
They Hello and welcome to News Talks every afternoons. Thanks
so much for tuning in THISAVO on man Heath and
I'll be with you live for the next couple of hours,
looking forward to your chats. The number here, in case
you didn't know, is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Now,
the Reserve Bank's Monetary Policy Committee is hiked the official

(39:30):
cash rate for the first time in more than three years.
It's raised the OCA twenty five basis points to two
point five percent. So I'll take back that hiked. They
didn't hike it, they raised it. Hiked would suggest that
they'd gone up a unprecedented amount. They've raised it twenty
five basis points to two point five percent. Economists have
been divided on whether the committee would hold the cash

(39:53):
rate or raised it, and we're joined now by Brad Olson,
CEO and principal economist at Inflametrics. Brad, they raised it
two point five y well effectively.

Speaker 7 (40:06):
They think now is the time to start to get
things moving up. They're worried about the potential that over
the longer term they need to get interest rates back
to a bit more of a I guess comfortable position
where they're not adding anything into the economy, they're not
taking anything away. Of course, last time they met back
in May, they said quite clearly there was a split vote,

(40:28):
but there was sort of questions around where they need
to go. Yes, you've now had the sort of immediate
inflationary spike from the Middle East conflict has gone.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
The worry though, is.

Speaker 7 (40:39):
That sort of those more medium term economic shocks might
come through. The biggest one though, and I think one
of the reasons they probably opted to pull the trigger
today rather than anything else, is that in recent weeks
you have actually seen longer dated interest rates, so you
look at the likes of, you know, your two to
five year mortgage rates, they've actually pulled back. And the
Reserve Bank did say quite specifically that the increasing the

(41:02):
ocr at this meeting is intended in part to avoid
a further easing in financial condition. So they don't want
everyone sitting there and going, well, actually interest rates are
now coming down, what do we plan around. They wanted
to push back a little bit against that. They're saying
there is a need to get back to a more
normal level of interest rates eventually, now is the right
time to do a little bit of that task.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
And I'm glad I locked in when they he's back
just a little bit now. But Brad, it's kind of
an interesting one, isn't it, Because we know where that
inflation came from, and it was from the situation in Iran.
So that is not really inflation that is built into
our economy. It's an event that we've had to deal with.

(41:44):
So going forward, as you see what I'm kind of
saying here that that's not really an intrinsic situation within
our economy, definitely.

Speaker 7 (41:54):
I mean, the Reserve Bank themselves has noted that back
in May when they had to put a forecast together
sort of in the midst of everything, they were expecting
that inflation for the quarter just ended, the Duran quarter
might have been something like four point three percent. And
then again, you know, we're in a position today where
there's a ceasefire that's an effect, and you've had ships

(42:15):
that have been moving through the Middle East and they've
been taking oil. So the Reserve Bank now thinks given
that fuel prices have already started to ease back and
will continue to do so that that headline inflation might
only peak at three point nine percent and the quarter
just ended, and it could be back to say three
point three percent in the quarter that we're currently in.
So you're right about that expectation that, look, this one

(42:37):
off event has sort of not quite been and gone,
but we have moved forward quite a lot. Here's the
worry though, and I know this might seem a little
bit backwards, but if the economy then starts to get
rocketing a bit more, if that recovery we were seeing
at the start of this year and we were seeing it,
if that sort of comes back with a bit of force,
the Reserve Bank's then got.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
To be worried.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
That not right now, but in a year year and
a half's time, you've already got slightly too hot inflation.
Do businesses go well? Actually, geez, Now that I'm sort
of caught between a rock and a hard place. With
a better recovery, now I can try and make some
margin up. Now I can pass through some bigger art
cost increases. So I know that's sort of a little
bit backwards, but the bank is effectively trying to look

(43:19):
less at sort of the next month or two, more
at the next sort of year or.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Two, and go what's the right balance to try and.

Speaker 15 (43:24):
Get back to.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, with that in mind, is there any indication, any
indication at all of what they're going to do going forward?

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Now, Well, they've been again quite cagy, which is probably appropriate,
you know, looking forward, they don't want to give too
much away because as we've seen the last couple of weeks,
things can change quite quickly.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
What they did highlight was.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
That the committee agreed that they think, yes, there are
probably further OCR increases coming. The timing though, is uncertain,
So I don't think and they've said that very specifically
literal statement from the Bank in their record of meeting
they're timing those OCR changes is highly uncertain, and that
those decisions are going to depend on how the committee

(44:06):
thinks businesses are considering their price setting behavior. So our
Kwi business is starting to talk a lot more about
trying to raise prices and make up for lost time.
Are they worried about the economy and not passing on
price and increases? Are they What are we seeing in
terms of capacity in the economy. Do you see that
a number of sectors like the primary sector at the

(44:28):
moment are in a good spot. Does that broaden out
to other industries or do you see that a lot
of different pressures continue to hit. So the bank's sort
of being pretty open that yep, there probably are some
more to come, but they're very very cautious around the
timing of that, and I think that probably suggests in
our mind there's probably another one at least in twenty
twenty six. Maybe not quite as strong of a view

(44:50):
that there should be two more getting us back to
three percent by the end of the year. But clearly
there's a focus from the Reserve Bank not to try
and hurt the economy, just trying to move us from
easy interest rates where we are at the moment back
towards more neutral interest rates with an OCR around three percent.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
So, finally, in your opinion, is this the correct decision
that they've made.

Speaker 7 (45:13):
I think it broadly is the right decision. I mean,
it's what we were expecting, which is always good when
you sort of get the pick right. But I think
as well, the big I guess benefit here is that
it sends a bit of a signal everyone's clear a
bit more on the direction maybe not so much on
the timing, but it probably also doesn't change a lot
for the everyday kei we out there. You know, yes,

(45:34):
we're expecting that retail banks will probably adjust their short
term rates, you know, people on a floating mortgage rate,
for example, they'll probably see an announcement in the next
day or two you'd expect from the banks. But given
that there have already been a couple of banks that
have cut their long term rates again those two to
five years in recent weeks, is probably not a huge
huge amount to do for those longer dated interest rates

(45:57):
right here and now. So a little bit of a
sort of catch up almost from the Reserve Bank getting
to everyone else had already moved to and so hopefully
that gives everyone a bit more breathing or as we
sort of assess what is still a pretty weird and
wonderful economy out there.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
At the minute.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
It certainly is Thank you so much for your time, Brad,
appreciate it. That's Brad Olsen, CEO and principal economist for Infometrics.
So if you didn't hear, the Reserve Banks Monastry Policy
Committee has hiked the official got us not saying hike.
They haven't hiked it.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
The Reserve Bank's Monetary Policy Commission has raised the official
cash rate for the first time in more than three years.
It has raised the OC twenty five basis points to
two point five percent. And economists were divided and where
they were going to do that up and Reserve Bank
Governor doctor Anna Breman joins Heather Duplasy Allen after five
to discuss this further. You're listening to News Talk z B.

(46:51):
I'll be back in a moment and I'll be talking
anger on. Matt Heath. It is a quarter past two.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk ZIB.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
All right, welcome back to the show. I'm Matt Heath.
It is seventeen minutes to past two. You're listening to
News Talk ZB all right. This is the topic I
want to chat to you about this out and it
kind of relates back to the topic from last hour,
and especially the end of the last hour when we're
getting a lot of angry text through and angry experiences

(47:32):
people that had either as cyclists or with cyclists, but
an article by Jane Alexander talks about a sudden return
of explosive anger that is hitting a lot of people
in midlife. In her case, it built up into a
blow up with a cyclist and it made her question
what rage was doing to her body and her relationships.

(47:53):
And in the article she talks to psychotherapist Anna Martha
and argues anger is not the enemy, but a signal,
often a sign of exhaustion, exhaustion, resentment, grief, overload, unmet
needs and a study. So you said, the world is
getting angrier over the last decade. According to Gallop Tracking,

(48:15):
global anger levels have hovered near record highs since twenty
and sixteen, with around twenty two percent of adults globally
reporting that they felt very angry the previous day. So
twenty two percent in any given day, you know, that's
one in five people you run into and any given

(48:35):
day are very angry about something. Interestingly, and I find
this quite interesting, but you kind of hear this a
lot when it comes to happiness and these kind of statistics. Interestingly,
people in high income nations are generally angrier in twenty
twenty six than those in low income nations. Experts attributing

(48:57):
the overall rise in public anger to several key factors.
They think that the information eco system is making us mad.
Political polarizations so to immediate social media algorithms that promote
binary opinions and deliberately monetize outrage. So we just feel

(49:21):
like there's more outrage out there, and that stresses us out,
and it also amplifies social divisions. Global uncertainty apparently this
is a constant stresser. Wars, post pandemic adjustments, and climate
anxieties breeding widespread fear which transforms into anger. So if

(49:44):
you're walking around freaking out about the climate and then
someone cuts you off in your car. Ironically, if you
freak out about the climate, I guess you just blow up.
And everyday pressures financial worries, of course, we hear a
lot about the cost of living, crisis and general life
are overwhelming, and yeah, financial worries constantly rank as the

(50:08):
top drivers for daily irritability. So you are just getting
annoyed because you get another bill, or you go somewhere
and have to pay more than you would like to
pay for something, and just a base level of freaking
out about your finances. So I'd love to hear what

(50:29):
you think about this on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
So do you find your you or someone else you
love getting grumpier and angrier? If so, what is making
you angry and what have you done about it? I mean,
I'm just trying to think what makes me angry, and
actually I'll share what makes me angry a little bit

(50:51):
later on. But the number is eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Give us a call. It is a twenty minute It's
twenty one minutes past two. You're listening to Matt Heath
on News Talk zb back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty on youth Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
It is twenty three past two. You listen to me
Matt Heath and News Talk ZBO. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number? Are you worried about your
levels of anger? In twenty twenty six, this Texas says,
I'm angry about labor not learning anything and just promising
to spend more and more. Their irresponsibility drives me mentel.

(51:35):
So it's this text of it on the other side,
and this points to what people what the study found
about polarization. Because this is on the other side of it,
I would argue the government's plans to brutalize homeless people
for not having a home gets me very angry. Where
the hell is the compassion? Joe, welcome to show your

(51:56):
thoughts on on anger in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 11 (52:00):
Oh, I didn't you know, give you a few instances
why people get angry? Well, you know you've talked before
about people getting anxiety overclimb a change and what have you. Well,
you know we've been fairly indoctrinated with that one. I'll
tell you. I was just telling him mate before about
when I when they went to meet the candidates and

(52:21):
I sort of went to the ACT one first. You know,
they have a town hall and they said if you
got an inquise, So I got up and pretty well
bagged the ACT Party and I got a standing ovation
from those guys. And about three weeks.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Later, so you went to the ACT Party. Uh, and
what sort of area is this? This is Wellington and
Wellington's You went to the ACT Party function and you
bagged them.

Speaker 11 (52:44):
I know it was to meet the candidates, go to
a town hall and they they're up there. David Seymour
and all them, you know, so I sort of gave
them a bit.

Speaker 17 (52:54):
Of a.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Speed speed dating. You can go down and sit down
and have a chat to them.

Speaker 11 (53:00):
No, no, it's got to be in the audience. They
It was sort of an you know, like an auditorium
sort of thing where you get the eature down the
front and you know, rule the students at the back.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
So you know, my hand, yeah, sorry, you put up
your hand and you and they said, oh, yeah.

Speaker 11 (53:17):
What you got to say? And I told him, you
know what I thought of the parties policies on a
few things. And and funnily enough, when I when I
was saying it, their their supporters got up and gave
me a standing evasion, you know yeah, And I thought
was really good. So about three weeks after that, I
went to the one with the Green Party and was

(53:40):
all the candidates were Green and Labor. So I got
up again and I put my hand up and I
got picked first. I must be any privileged. So I
get up there and I said that I remember saying
to the this is for the Green and Labor. And
I said to them, listen, you know you're telling people
you know about climate change and that's your mental of

(54:01):
you know, policies, et cetera. I said, but we're zero
points zero nine of carbon production, you know, with sementeeth
in the world and carbon production, you know, we're so low,
I said. Every expert says, even if we went carbon neutral,
wouldn't make any difference. But we don't have any money
for hospitals, doctors and nethsists, nurses, et cetera, et cetera.

(54:24):
How can we wasting all that money, you know, billions
of dollars at the Paris Climate Accord when we don't
produce enough, you know, And I got booed dishitary God, yes,
for the crowd, the facts, you know. The thing was,
you know, they didn't like the facts, you know, because
I'm only going on the facts. And then I said, well,

(54:46):
China is producing the most you know, the biggest polluters
in the world, and they are exent.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
So why is a little.

Speaker 11 (54:53):
Country like us having to pay for it when that
big you know, China, that's got an economy about fifty
times while we gaving something, you know. And they claimed that,
and they claim that they are developing country. I said, well,
hard to be developing country when you've got the biggest
standing army in the world and the second, the biggest navy,

(55:13):
et cetera. And you've got the second the biggest economy
in the world, and you're losing the you know, the
whole place, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
So yeah, but you know so, Joe, you got booed
by the audience. But what answer did you get from
the person on stage at this screens contry?

Speaker 11 (55:30):
She called me I think I can't remember her name,
but she called me a climate denier.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Right, But that's not really addressing the situation because with
you're climate or not, I was just.

Speaker 11 (55:43):
Bringing up facts and just putting it to them. I say,
want to waste the money, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Because whether they whether whether you agree with the climate,
you know, like the what people are saying or not.
What you're saying, right is that it doesn't matter what
we do will make no difference anyway. So why bankrupt youself?

Speaker 15 (56:02):
Low?

Speaker 11 (56:03):
So you were so low with zero points zero niner carbon?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, right, even miserable and so that got you boo
that made people angry at the Greens thing. What was
your problem that you raised with the act party that
got you applauded? Joe, Oh, I.

Speaker 11 (56:17):
Can't remember that was something to do with some sort
of land thing they were doing at the time. Sorry,
I'm I'm a bit old. I'm seventy years old, so
I scared to forget this.

Speaker 12 (56:29):
Thanks.

Speaker 11 (56:30):
Well, you want to tell my kids that I think
I think the last time I was talking on the
phone and they walked through the door and they said, oh,
the fossils at home.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Did that make you angry?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
So you've you've rung up about you know, anger, because
that's what we're talking about in the study, saying that
people are getting angrier. But it doesn't sound like you're
a very angry guy. So you went along to the
greens and labor thing and you didn't agree with them,
But it sounds like you asked a reasonably cheerful question.
You went you went grumpy with it, were you, Joe?

Speaker 4 (57:05):
No, not at all.

Speaker 11 (57:06):
I'm the half last full, you know guy. You know,
I don't you know thing, but I do. You know,
I don't suffer fools easily, you know, And I just thought, well,
it's such a joke that we're doing all this climate stuff.
And then you know, you get a lot of anger
with you know cyclists. Well you think, well, cyclists are
really only for the rich white liberals that are running

(57:28):
around on those expensive bikes. You don't really see Mary
Pacifica or poor white people, Asians and any other group
except rich white liberals, which is you know, cyclists are
less than one percent of the traveling population, but they've
taken millions and millions out of the economy with cycle lanes.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Thanks for cool Joe. It's interesting when we bring up anger,
which we are, how much I'm just looking at the
text machine coming through, how many examples are involving cycles,
either being angry at cyclists or cyclists being angry at
other people. It seems like cycling and Yu Zealand has
really become a I don't know a flash point for

(58:14):
people's anger, but anyway, are we getting angrier? Ladies and gentlemen?
Are you getting grumpier? And if so, why are you
a Karen or a Darren? And what can you do
about it? We have the news headlines up next and
then more of your calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten point eighty on anger. It is half based half
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Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Thank you, Scarlett. It is twenty six minutes to three.
Listen to Matt Heathen. We're talking about anger on Newstalk
zb after an article from Jane Alexander about a return
of explosive midlife anger across Western societies and a gallop
pole gallop tracking suggesting global agle anger has sat near

(01:00:22):
record high since twenty and sixteen and is peaking in
twenty and twenty five into twenty six with about twenty
two percent of people saying that they felt very angry
the previous day for some reason. Wow, This text says,
I'm more angry. I am more angry. I think it's
just a feeling. I think it's just this feeling of
being set upon, like there is no certainty AI will

(01:00:44):
take my job. The climate is a problem, everything is
so expensive. I just feel I sit in this anxious
state and then my husband says something stupid and I explode.
I need help. This textas says, I was just thinking
about this today when I sat on my horn for
five seconds after someone didn't pull off fast enough. I
was thinking, why did I care so much? Why am

(01:01:06):
I so angry? And this person is saying I'm getting
very angry Matt with you. You're making me angry. It's
not angrier, it's more angry. So why are we becoming
more angry not angrier? I didn't know that, so it
was angrier, not a word angry, angry, angrier, No, it's

(01:01:28):
more angry. Okay, to try and stop making you angry
or more angry, Brian, I will say more angry and
not angrier. Ben, welcome to the show.

Speaker 18 (01:01:38):
Your thoughts on this, you get it, because yeah, I've
been copying a huge amount of abuse today and I'll
make you quite surprised. So we're taking part in the
hunting down in North Canterbary this week in.

Speaker 19 (01:01:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:01:53):
Well it's not just feral, yes, it's just one part
of it.

Speaker 18 (01:01:56):
Yeah, but you know we're fundraising for the for the school,
for the pool there and the facilities and oh mate,
I'll put a post up just pretty much saying you
know who's taking part, you know what parts are you
going to and stuff and made on copping so much abuse.
Probably twenty percent of it's for it and eighty percent

(01:02:17):
made off had death freats.

Speaker 8 (01:02:18):
That's that bad.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:02:20):
Yeah, well, you know like people going, oh, you're killing
cats and these aren't cats that you can sit down
on your lap and pet and you give it some milk,
and that these are wild cats. You know, they'll kill
your chickens, they'll dig your garden up, they'll spread TV
to your animals. You know, it's it's it's just have you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Been explaining that to them? Have you been, i mean
obviously on social media, Yeah, but not the best place
for the conversation. But you've been pushing back.

Speaker 18 (01:02:47):
Yeah, but these are just you know, city folks, they
just have no idea. You jump on their Facebook pages,
they're an awkwad maintenance like you guys to clearly have
no idea and like we you know, we're targeting possums, stokes, rabbits,
you know. Yeh, Feral cats is a big problem. You know,
if I see a feral cat, I'm going to take
it out. But it's you know, we're not going after

(01:03:09):
people's pets, so we're not going through town and you know,
trying to pick out what's astray and that the abuse
on getting is absolutely incredible.

Speaker 8 (01:03:18):
No one look actually, and from.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Their point of view being, they're thinking of a cute
little a cute cat that sits on your lap while
you're watching Netflix, and they're going, why has been out
there promoting shooting these cute little things? Just because they
have no knowledge And a lot of anger comes from
a lack of knowledge, right, So they don't know that
these are terrible pieces that are doing terrible things and

(01:03:43):
you wouldn't want to spend any time with them if
you did know, then they're a very different thing from
the cat at home. And so that's really the anger, right,
isn't it that they don't know the full story?

Speaker 18 (01:03:54):
Yeah, But the trouble is you try and tell them
a full story, they don't want to hear it. They've
already made up there in mine. They're like, yo, you're
a cat killer. We should take you out. And that's like, well,
hold on, it sounds like a diefreat to me. Like
and in these tons of them, it is over three
hundred comments are around the same thing, and it's like, well,
you guys really have no idea what it is like

(01:04:16):
living in a rural You know, these cats they'll come
up and they'll attack your cat and cost you thousands
of dollars in vet bills to get your cats that start.
But these are not nice animals.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
You should say, look, oh, I won't kill one of
these feral cats. I'll keep one and I'll put it
in the cake. I'll bring it around to your house
and let's see if you can live with it for
for a week. Let's to see how that goes.

Speaker 8 (01:04:38):
Well, it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 18 (01:04:39):
Like a lot of them are like take them to
the SPCIA, and I'm like, well, the SPCA are going
to euphonize them straight away. They're not going to try
and rehone them. So when I don't think people are
have any idea.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
When is this? When is this? Well, what's it called again?
We were talking about it on the country dot codo and.

Speaker 18 (01:04:55):
Yeah, this is the hundred and North Canterbary. It's for
the Rougher School for the facilities and stuff, and it's
on satellite and Sunday this weason.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Okay, Well, thank you so much for your call being
And ye know that that fighting of pests is and
people in the city don't understand, you know, because you
might go even you might go I want to keep
bunny until you see you know, you look across a
field and you see literally fifty bunnies in one shot,

(01:05:26):
and you go, well, this, this, this can't go on
all right? We're talking about anger. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Apparently the world is getting more angry. But what's making
you angry? After the after the break, I've got some
audio from a guy called Sam Dema and it's It's
a way to combat Anger. If you should want to

(01:05:48):
listen to Matt Heath on News Talk z B. It
is twenty minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
Newstalk ZVB.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It is seventeen minutes to three, and we're talking about anger.
Are you a you know, having trouble dealing with their
day to day anger? One hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number I was listening to this This kind
of popped up today and it kind of fits in
with what I'm talking about today because you know, this

(01:06:24):
busion says nothing. This text of here says nothing wrong
with anger. Anger brings motivation without anger, nothing would ever happen.
It's motivation, yeah, But you can have motivation without getting angry.
As Marcus Aurelius said, how much worse are the consequences
of anger than what caused them? So if you get angry,

(01:06:46):
you'll generally make things worse. You can be annoyed by
something and feel anger, but then if you just fly
off into a rage and do whatever you feel like,
you're generally gonna make it worse for yourself. Like Will
Smith at the Oscars slapping Chris Rock. You know, he
go was angry, so I went up and slapped the
guy and ruined his entire career. But if Chris Rocks

(01:07:07):
had what he said made him angry, then if he'd
calmed down, then he could have had a cool response,
gone up to Cross Rock afterwards or whatever and said,
I didn't like what you say. So the initial feeling
of anger, you can't control that. That'll come because you know,
we're evolved to deal with snakes landing on us and stuff,
and we have to fire up pretty quickly. But you've

(01:07:28):
you've got to be careful with what your response is.
And the angry, angry response isn't generally the most thought
out and advantageous for you. I would say, So while
anger can be a motivation, you've got to make sure
you stop and think and do what is the best
possible thing in that situation, not the most vengeful thing

(01:07:50):
in a given situation. So a way to get to
that headspace I I saw today coincidentally fit some of
what we're talking about today from this online commentator called
Sam Dema. This is what he had to say.

Speaker 20 (01:08:04):
One of the best pieces of advice I have gotten
in my entire life is to always assume positive intent.
What this means is if somebody cuts you off in traffic,
instead of believing, oh, this person did it on purpose,
we choose to believe instead maybe that person's rushing to
the hospital with their kids, or.

Speaker 12 (01:08:18):
Maybe they have to go pool.

Speaker 20 (01:08:21):
And by giving people the benefit of the doubt what
it does for us, it actually allows us to maintain
our peace of mind and our positive attitude. This does
not mean you just stay in situations where people walk
all over you, but we give people the benefit of
the debt to maintain our own.

Speaker 18 (01:08:33):
Peace of mind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Yeah, so if you immediately, you know, take the positive
angle on something, so you go Oh, look, that person's
cut me off, and you go, oh, well, I'll give
them the benefit of doubt they've got. Maybe they've rushing
to the hospital because their wife is just about to
give birth or something. You might be wrong, but if

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you just always give the benefit of doubt, then you're
not going to be nearly as stressed out in life.
And that's the idea with it, Matt. I believe people
are becoming more angry because they feel like they have
less and less control over their lives. This is from Lance.
Work hard to get ahead, but the council puts up
your rates, the insurance company puts up your premiums, and
the energy companies put up their prices. You get victimized

(01:09:16):
by a criminal, and the courts tell defender it's not
their faults because of the way they grew up. When
you feel like you have no control, you become resentful. Lance. Yeah,
that is interesting, But hasn't that always kind of been
the case? Why are we so much angrier right now?

(01:09:38):
See what I'm saying, Because people have always been set
upon some in the past, people have been set upon
more than they are now. You know, you know, back
in the day your village was always a couple of
days of being potentially invaded or whatever. There's always been
stresses and problems, and there was always a chance that
you might starve to death and stuff. So it's just
interesting that, particularly in the last ten years, according to

(01:10:01):
the Scallop study, anger has gone up and up to
sort of record levels. I think it's probably got a
lot to do with social media. Tim, Welcome to the show.
Your thoughts on this.

Speaker 8 (01:10:14):
Yeah, sorry, it might be a bit of noise. I
just walked into supermarket, but yeah, nice one, clearly clever.
I make myself angry, You make yourself angry. We all
make ourselves angry. It's it all happens very quickly. We
have a choice say, And I don't mean to sound

(01:10:38):
like you know, hey, I've gotten angry in the past,
and it's crossed me in the past, you know. Yeah,
I'm not some new age geezer. I mean I've lots
a job over saying things that I shouldn't have said,
you know. Yeah, and that made me when and reflect

(01:10:58):
and yeah, I mean I don't know. So yeah, I
said I don't do social media. I suspect that probably
winds people up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Yeah, yeah, just talking.

Speaker 8 (01:11:13):
But again, I used to be on it, and I
made a choice to to not be on it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Yeah, so when when when you know you say in
the past that you've fired up and gotten angry term
and you've learned your listen, So when you get angry, now,
what do you what do you do? Have you got
have you got systems in place to calm down?

Speaker 8 (01:11:35):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
So what I do?

Speaker 8 (01:11:37):
I'm kind of I've made a lot of changes. There
are situations I won't get it go into. I don't
take other people's fake other people who may be angry
and who are looking to offload that in my direction,

(01:11:58):
I will choose to absorb it and remove myself from
the situation. You know, I've got a reasonably quick mind,
So I could throw back but this and that, you know,
but I don't want a concentration. Sorry, I can't have one.
I choose not to, you know, because it's better for me.

(01:12:22):
And you don't know what someone what day someone's having
someone's pure headed do we say imaginable? They might have
got the worst news. It doesn't excuse their lack of
self control. But you know, you've got to give them
a if we'll give each other a bit of leeway,
they take stuff personally, you know, accept the fact that

(01:12:44):
maybe other people are just having an absolute shocker, and
put of grace goes a long way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Yeah, well you know helps, No, no, it does. But
but but what you're talking about here is what you know,
neuroscience backs up and you know, we have the sort
of prominent parts of our brain, like the middler and
they immediately fire up, and that they're to protect us
from fight and flight, and you know, the fight and
flight parts. So something happens, you just want to protect

(01:13:14):
your safe. You get your space, you get territorial, you
get angry. But we also have the you know, the
reasoning parts of our brain, like the prefrontal cortex, but
that takes a while to kick in and reason the
best response. It's not as powerful as the instant, instinctive reactions.
So what you're doing by saying that you walk out
of the room instead of reacting straight up and you

(01:13:36):
take some space, is you're giving a chance for your
prefrontal cortex and the modern part of your brain to go, Okay,
what's actually let's simulate what's the best plan here? And
the best plan here might not have been to I
don't know if that glass of water in someone's face.
So it's funny how there's all these things that we've
known for the longest time, like when your parents to
teachers told you to account to ten or take a

(01:13:57):
few breaths. It turns out that that just is backed
up by science completely and that it's giving a chance
for the reasoning part of your brain to come online
and sort of give up better reason at a better
solution than the primitive parts of your brain. Hey, thank
you so much for cheering for sharington, and congratulations on
dealing with your anger. It is nine minutes to three.

(01:14:21):
You're listening to Newstalk ZEDB Afternoons. Are Matt Heath back
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Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
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Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Hell.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
I think my mic on there saying we're running out
of time right here. Okay, so you're listening to news
talks 'b. It is six minutes to three. I am
Matt Heath. We're talking about anger. Anger rates are going up,
So just to take you through to the news. Look,
the reason there is so much rage in the country
is the coalition government and Mike Hosking and a lot

(01:14:56):
of people being heathered. Simple, Okay, so that's causing all
the rages it you're blaming people that sit in this
ver each year that are causing a lot of the rage.
Hosking and this text he here says social media creating
unrealistic expectations is a cause of anger. Also event of

(01:15:18):
technology like AI where everyone feels their job is at
risk and they have no future. Society today has different challenges.
I mean, I think that whole thing because I personally
believe AI is mostly a scam. It's a functional tool
in some ways. But the fact that to raise a
whole lot of capital, these tech companies have decided to

(01:15:38):
tell young people that they've got no future and that
they're going to be replaced is just so incredibly evil,
and I'm so good to see the pushback on it
right now, when people are realizing the massive limitations of
AI and that you will not be replaced anyway. When
this text to go goes on, when I think of
my grandparents, they worked at a nine to five jobs,
they could buy a house for three times their income.

(01:16:00):
They never got contacted because they didn't have a mobile phone,
so they didn't carry their job with them everywhere they went. Today,
you cannot sweach. I mean, it is very hard to
switch off, but anyone that does switch off finds it
finds that their anger levels lower. The sticks says, packaging
that is becoming harder and are to open is causing

(01:16:20):
me anger. Cheers. I in Barry Soper was talking to
me about this the other day, with opening juice boxes
for his kids. That's making him very angry. I make
the choice now not to get angry. All thanks to
your recommendation of the Obstacle is the Way book by
Ryan Holiday. I've been a life changer. Thanks Matt here.
That is a fantastic book. Hey, we've got some calls

(01:16:44):
BACKARP and some texts, so we're going to keep this
topic going for a little bit after the news. Are
you or someone you know having trouble dealing with anger
day to day? What's making you angry? What's making you
more angry? Sorry? And is the world becoming angry a
more angry place?

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
My goodness, sorry, Brian, I'll work on that in the
new and get my grammar correct. All right, listen News
Talk V. It is three minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News
Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Be hello and welcome back on Matt Heath and I'll
be with you for another hour until four pm when
the two time New Zealand Broadcaster of the Year, the
two time so Paul Holmes, New Zealand Broadcaster of the Year,
here the Dupa c Allen will take over the number
here in case you didn't know, was o Waite undred
eighty ten eighty. Now Jane Alexander has written an article

(01:17:59):
and she's talking about the sudden return of explosive anger
that is hitting a lot of people in midlife in
their mid thirties, forties and fifties. In her particular case
that she went, you know, looked out, she seeked out
help for was when she blew up at a cyclist.

(01:18:20):
Sought out, sought helpful, That's the word I was looking for.
And it made her question what rage was doing to
her body. Her psychotherapist claimed it was all to do
with exhaustion, resentment, grief, overload and unmet needs. And as
I was saying before, a new study suggests that the
world is getting angrier over the last decade. Gallop Tracking

(01:18:43):
gallup Tracking has been covering anger globally, which is quite
quite a thing to do, and says that anger levels
have hit a recent record high, with around twenty two
percent of adults globally reporting that they felt very angry
at some point during the previous day. And what's been

(01:19:04):
blamed there is information, the information ecosystem, with political polarizations,
social media algorithms, people comparing themselves to others that seem
to have a better life than them, the deliberate monetization
of outrage, global unsurgainty, people stressed out about AI and

(01:19:24):
climate change, and everyday pressures, the cost of living, crisis
and stuff is making people really angry. Heyso Rachel sent
me this audio through that helps her deal with the anger.
It's called the empty boat theory. So if you're, for
whatever reason, you're one of these twenty two percent of
adults who has felt incredibly angry probably today, then let's

(01:19:50):
just see if Rachel's empty boat theory will help. This
is explained by a philosopher named Nick Feo. Give this
a listen. Have you ever heard of the empty bolt theory?

Speaker 21 (01:20:04):
There was once a monk who trained for years to
master's anger and till one day he's sitting on a leg,
deep in meditation when something rocks his boat.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
His eyes stayed closed, but in.

Speaker 21 (01:20:15):
His head he's thinking, what kind of idiot would do
this to me? Don't they see I'm meditating here? And
that is exactly what most of us do. When someone
does something that pisses us off. We create an entire
storyline in our head about how horrible the person is
that did this to us.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
When the monk opened his eyes, we learned a valuable
lesson because all he saw was.

Speaker 21 (01:20:35):
A drifting empty boat.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
We all have empty boats in our lives.

Speaker 21 (01:20:39):
The person who cut you off might have been late
for surgery. The friend who didn't text back is probably
drowning in their own mind.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
We're never angry at what happened.

Speaker 21 (01:20:48):
We're angry at the story we tell ourselves about it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Ooh, we're never angry at what happened. We're angry at
the story we tell ourselves about it. Chris, welcome to
the show. Your thoughts on anger?

Speaker 15 (01:21:04):
I'm all SAMs at. Anger achieves nothing. A calm response
to a problem is the only way well off.

Speaker 8 (01:21:13):
How did at work.

Speaker 15 (01:21:14):
I used to work in hospitality, and you know, it
was quite a fierce environment. You know, when you're busy,
et cetera. And you can imagine that and the people
that get like that drag the team down. When when
when you are a calm person, it's it's a resolution emotion. Calmness.

(01:21:41):
Anger is a conflict emotion, and calmness brings clarity for
problem resolution. And if you're working with other people, your
your job is to make sure you do the right job.
However you have to do it, whether it's in your
private life or your family or anybody else. It is

(01:22:06):
to be calm, take your facts and six problems. Anger
leads two discrepancies that hurt everybody. It's a very very
toxic emotion. And to fight anger and play calm when

(01:22:27):
you don't want to. That's very hard, but it's it's
a thing that has to be done. Sometimes you have
to think and take a step back and go I
can be angry about this or I can just let
that go and then have a nice quiet chat later.
And then ah, did are that these people are there

(01:22:52):
on the same side of side of the world as you.
It's when when when you get conflicting opinions, and then
people but head it's it's unnecessary.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah, okay, I'll tell you what we definitely admire if
things are you know, everyone is losing their call all
around you. Everyone's screaming and panicking and yelling and screaming
and blaming each other. And you have that one person
that stands calmly and just goes about their work and
gets a thing that needs to be done. You admire

(01:23:30):
that person so much more than the person that loses
loses their rag and starts screaming, right.

Speaker 15 (01:23:36):
One hundred And that is the telltale signs of a
good human being. Do they hear the same things as
the rest of us, and they go on to have
leadership positions because they keep it cool, you know, and
then keeping your cool even if you're aware of not mofo.

(01:23:59):
All of a sudden, Oh, the problem is solved. So
there is there is no real reason for people to
to get out of control emotionally over really small things.
You know a lot of people in this world tend
to make mountains out of mole hills.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean, for example, you know, there's
there's the type of person that can't find the remote
and start screaming and yelling and making a big scene
like they live in a world where remotes never go missing.
And I mean that that makes life horrible for everyone else, Right,
But how do you?

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
How do you do it?

Speaker 16 (01:24:39):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Have you always been the kind of guy, Chris that's
been able to control your anger and stay calm and
complex situations or is that something that you've.

Speaker 15 (01:24:49):
Worked on, worked on They'll be honest, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
I I.

Speaker 15 (01:24:57):
So I worked in that industry of hospitality and high stress.
I became one of them, and then I had to
manage businesses and then I just have step back and
then stop people hurting each other.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Well, it's kind of a it's kind of an industry
where it's almost celebrated, isn't it. For the longest time.
You've got Gordon Ramsey screaming at people and such.

Speaker 15 (01:25:20):
Yeah, but it's unnecessary, man, It's truly unnecessary in that industry.
But you know, it was part of my page growing up,
being in that industry. But I would say, looking back now,
you don't need to be a stressful person to achieve things.

(01:25:41):
What you've got to do is collaborate with people around
you in the workplace and go okay, well, God, this
is your deficiency, so therefore all right, well we will
help you around there and teach you how to be better,
and we are better as a teamt It's I think

(01:26:03):
that's that would cross multiple industries and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Although in the hospital might be almost the most stressful one.
I was talking to my son who works in a cafe,
and I was saying, working in a kitchen at a cafe,
at a busy cafe, I don't know if there's many
jobs that are more stressful. Potentially, I guess ther traffic control.
But the amount of variables that are coming at you.
You're dealing with people that are unnecessary complaints, you don't

(01:26:28):
know when orders are going to come in. There's there's
a whole lot of you know, this time pressure because
something has to be cooked in a certain amount of
time and then it has a certain it has to
get out there quickly and everyone has to do there.
But I think that might be if you, Chris can
stay calm and a busy hospo situation, then I think
that you could probably stay calm in nearly any situation.

Speaker 15 (01:26:51):
Well that that led me to, you know, when I
was doing a little bit of work for the real
fire service here in Sydney. It's like you just learn
to be calm. Yeah, like you've got a job to do,
you know. Like it's an awful situation for some of

(01:27:14):
the people in the hospitality and they don't need.

Speaker 8 (01:27:16):
To be like that.

Speaker 15 (01:27:17):
Someone doesn't care if their meal is five minutes late.
Just distract them, yeah, you know, and you know, get
a way to go over there and have a bit
of a chat.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
And does that and it doesn't get the eggs poached
any quicker. If someone's screaming in someone's ear to get
the eggs.

Speaker 15 (01:27:35):
Post, absolutely tell them mate. Look there's a bit of
a thirty minute wait.

Speaker 8 (01:27:40):
Are you happy?

Speaker 15 (01:27:41):
No dramas, that's it. Enjoy your coffee, Yeah, get a
juice while you're here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Good on you, Chris. Thank you for your call. I
appreciate it. You sound like the kind of person that
i'd want on my side when went down because yeah,
you sound like you've got it all sorted out. Okay,
we're talking about angry. We're talking anger. We're talking about
midlife anger. People seem to be getting angry and angrier
and studies are backing that up. Are you feeling more angry?

(01:28:10):
If so, why and what are you doing about it?
Eight hundred eighty ten eight US Talk ZEDB. It is
twenty minutes past three. You listened to Matt Heath on
newstalk ZEDB and we're talking about midlife anger? Are you
seeing more anger about? Are you feeling more angry? Eight

(01:28:30):
hundred eighty ten eighty This Texas says, I'm not more angry.
I'm just triggered easily by stupid people, says Jeff Hey
and Kate sent through the poem I was trying to
think of by Rodyard Kipling, what a fantastic poem about anger.
And I'll read a little bit of that to you
in a second. But Johnny, you're being tested.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
Oh absolutely. I just hopped out of an eighteen wheeler
into a small convertible, and of course I've got gray
hair and bags under my eyes, and I got behind
this farmer, difficult Joe farmer, and he's got the highluk
suit and he's got buckets of.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
Chicken poo on the back and there's no leads on them.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
And I'm in the convertible. He's doing forty k down
State Highway too. He won't let anyone passes there's like
other trucks, like the ones on the driving is like
trying to toot at him and wake him up, and
he casually rolls down this window there's a seventy something
here on and just gives everyone the bird and stays
in the middle of the road with clouds of poo

(01:29:36):
flying up.

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
So appropriate. This is just yeah, this is like seconds ago,
and I was like, you know, he's he's got two
hundred cars behind him.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
Thank god he turned off on Lindhman Road, yeah, before
someone lost it. But I'm actually calling about this thing
called the anger Iceberg, and also the window of tolerance.
We've we've all got a little window of tolerance, and
it's like what we can handle. When we're outside of
that window of tolerance, that's when we tend to react

(01:30:15):
rather than respond. And I've got some knowledge on this
because I've I'm a graduate of a Living Without Violence program.
I self referred to it because my relationship was having
a lot of arguments and I had to understand that,
you know, yelling and fighting and arguing with each other

(01:30:36):
is a form of violence that you know, it doesn't
necessarily People often think violence is just like hurting people
and stuff. But in fact, if you're if you're fighting
and arguing and having heated debates and stuff with your
partner or with family, and around your kids, even if
the kids are asleep, it's it's still affecting them. And

(01:30:59):
so I thought, you know, both of us thought, we
want to do something about it. And the first thing was,
like she stopped drinking. We address that, and we both
jumped on the course. We did it for a whole year. Okay,
the course runs for six months, but we did it twice.
Both graduated and you know, without being two personal all,

(01:31:20):
we have made messive changes in the way we treat
each other. We've learnt what our window of tolerances and
we need to sort of respect that and how to
talk about things and how to put things down. And
the anger Iceberg's like if you imagine a big old
iceberg out floating around the Southern Ocean. The anger is

(01:31:42):
the stuff that's on top of the water that you
can see. It's the stuff we display outwardly, but underneath
it's all the stuff that contributed to it. So you
might have been fired, or you might have been made redundant,
someone crashed into your car, you've got bills coming, you've
got a sick kid, etc. And you come home and

(01:32:03):
the house is a mess. All those things are going
to contribute to your anger coming out. And it may
not be that the house is a mess, that's the
real thing, but it was just enough to set you
over that tipping point. So we have to be aware
of like the stuff that is going on that's gonna
I guess subconscious and it's hard to say. We've got

(01:32:24):
to be aware of our subconscious, but ultimately we need
to learn what our physical triggers are. So for me,
I actually get a feeling like like a cobra about
to jump up and bite you right and recognizing the
heart and the mouth or the what do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
What do you do when when you feel that that cobra?

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
Oh, I just take myself away from the situation. Excuse me.
It's happened at meetings with social welfare and people like
you know, to protection services and all them sort of stuff.
People might say something completely outrageous and untrue, and at
the meeting if I like go off, that's it's bs
or whatever. That's when I'm not using the tools. So

(01:33:09):
learning to be able to sit with stuff that you
don't agree with before jumping at it, thinking about your
spont response, having a measured response. This takes practice and training.
It doesn't just happen overnight. But I'm still working.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
At it two years later, and your life is better.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Yeah, I've got kids coming back into my care. I've
got a new daughter. My problems were pretty significant, and
despite some BS narratives from agencies, we were able to
consistently maintain ourselves and develop and better ourselves as human
beings and prove to people and eventually, through the family court,

(01:33:51):
start winning and succeeding in life. But it was only
because we were able to recognize that yet we were
out of order. The anger was affecting a lot of things,
and you know, so a lot of that stuff just
had to be sort of compartmentalized and understood when it's
appropriate to let it out, how we're going to let

(01:34:11):
it out, and finding avenues to leach it out without
poisoning everything else around us.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Well, good on you for doing something about it, Johnny,
like recognizing you had a problem and then finding a
way to solve it. Because you know, a lot of
people just you know, they recognize they've got the problem,
they're angry. They can see it. They're causing, you know,
disaster across their life, but they just go, all right,

(01:34:37):
I'm just angry. People are pissing me off and they
just let it going. So good on you, Johnny o e.
One hundred and eighty ten or eighty anger. It's growing
and growing in society apparently, But is it ruining your
ruining your life? Are you a Karen or a Darren?
Whether you are or not. You're listening to news Talk
ZB and it is twenty six past three.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
It is three twenty nine. You're listening to me, Matt
Eith on news Talk ZEB and we're talking about anger.
Are you worried about your levels of anger? In twenty
twenty six eight hundred and eighty ten eighty now before
us talking to Chris and he was talking about people
keeping their cool in the kitchen in a hospo situation.
How much we admire those people. And Kate sent through

(01:35:28):
this very famous poem from Rodyard Kipling. And we'll get
to your calls in just a second, but I'll just
read a little bit of this poem, because it's probably
in the back of your mind when you're having this conversation,
and it's such an incredible poem. It's called if. If
you can keep your head when all about you are
losing theirs and blaming it on you. If you can

(01:35:49):
trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance
for their doubting too. If you can wait and not
be tired by waiting or being lied about, don't deal
in lies or being hated, don't give way to hating,
and yet don't look too good nor talk too wise.
If you can dream and not make dreamers you master.

(01:36:09):
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim.
If you can meet with triumph and disaster and tweat
those two impostors just the same. If you can bear
to hear the truth you've spoken twisted by knaves to
make a trap for fools, or watch the things you
gave your life to broken and stoop and build them
up with worn out tools. If you can make one

(01:36:32):
heap of all your winnings and ask it on and
risk it on one turn of pigeon toss and lose,
and start again at your beginnings, and never breathe a
word about your loss. If you can force your heart
and nerve and sinew to serve your turn long after
they are gone, and so hold on when there is
nothing in you except the will which says to them,

(01:36:54):
hold on. If you can talk with crowds and keep
your virtue, or walk with kings, not lose the common touch.
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, if
all men count with you, but none too much. If
you can fill the un for giving minute with sixty
seconds worth worth of distance to run. Yours of the earth.

(01:37:15):
Yours is the earth and everything that's in it, and
which is more, you'll be a man, my son. What
a great palm. I was only gonna read a bit
of that, but once I got started, it was hard
to find a place to pull out. But that is incredible.
If you can, if you can keep your head when
all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
What a fantastic line. All right, We have the news

(01:37:36):
headlines coming up right now with Scarlet Swittanovic, and then
we'll be back with more of your calls and texts
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Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
You're listen new stocks, but it is twenty five minutes
to four and we are talking anger. On our one
hundred and eighteen eighty gallup tracking, global anger has set
near record highs, with about twenty two percent of adults
saying they felt angry the previous day or very angry.
Experts blame the rise on polarization, social media outrage, war,

(01:39:29):
post pandemic, stress, climate anxiety, money worries, and modern life's
general pressures. So a lot of people are running hot
and one dodgy cyclist might put them over the edge. Matt,
I didn't tune in for a poem. Mate love the show,
but poetry makes me angry. That's because before I spent

(01:39:52):
about two minutes reading the Rodyard kept playing poem if
if you can keep your head when all about you
are losing theirs and blaming it on you, that poem So,
but this stixas is think you, Matt, That poem actually
calmed me down.

Speaker 8 (01:40:06):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Another text to here says you need anger to win
in sport. I want to address that in a second,
but first let's go to Craig. Your thoughts on anger.

Speaker 17 (01:40:18):
Well, I've worked quite a lot of my life and
it telecommunications coming in New Zealand, and we're abuse on
a daily basis. That's why I kind of gave it
up after a while. But then you get customers who
had one customer who changed the deadline where they wanted
their up of someone running by seventy two hours, they
brought it forward seventy two hours. So I had to
work a thirty six hour splint to get it done.
And the boss was overseas on a honeymoon and he

(01:40:39):
comes back and goes, whin'sy anger, And he goes, well,
that's not going to solve the problem. But I did
work with one guy who was angry all the time.
And I remember one site rarete he dropped his tool
back out of the back of the van, so he's
swearing and cursing at the tool bag, then picks it up,
walks across the construction site, slips on a bit of mud,
falls over, and swears and curses again. Climbs up the
ladder and it's his climb. The lader's tallbot falls off,

(01:40:59):
it's the ground and it's given it all the F words. Again,
I'm just thinking, this guy's got serious issues. We were
at laughing heads off, and it wasn't n till a
few years later on I thought he was the same
age that he he. I thought it was quite old,
like in the sixties. I found that he was actually
five years younger than why I was.

Speaker 8 (01:41:14):
So it's quite that.

Speaker 17 (01:41:14):
I believe the angry stresses asi and significantly.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
But yeah, I think I think the science that backs
that up Craig that you know, if you're constantly in
a stress state, then your quarters old levels, which are
handy to give you the energy to deal with the
situation when you need it. But if they're currently they're
constantly running those stress levels and the quartersole that it
starts to cause damage to you. So yeah, this guy

(01:41:37):
was burning himself hot and making himself old.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:41:41):
I just grabbed a lot of water in my van,
walked open and gave to him me and go, what's
this for us? Says I think you sit down and
contemplate for a little while. But it was just one
thing after others. But yeah, working with in the telecommunications company,
you get abused on a daily basis. A lot of
it's because corporate makes wrong decisions or whatever, and seeing
your jobs to do jobs and you can't do the job,
and the customer abuses you because you're the face of

(01:42:02):
the company. But what I found helped me out was
I used to go to Raglan quite often and just
go soon casting and just zone out. It didn't really
keep her of the court. Anything I'm not was just
as owning out. Even my partner didn't like it because
she'd come home stressed out, get into an argument. I
just sit there and listened to her. I wouldn't argue back,
and she's like, why don't you get to argue back
and and go Well, it doesn't achieve anything. And she

(01:42:22):
got annoyed to me sometimes because I just walk away
while she's hot heated and wait for her to cool
down and come back and calmly talk to her. So
I don't think I'm a dare, and I think I'm
more like a bill because I'm just chill out.

Speaker 15 (01:42:32):
All the time.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
So yeah, it's funny how much you know you say
that you're going by the water you're surf casting. But
so many people say that the way they deal with
anger is nature, you know, surfing, surf casting, you know,
even just walking along a beach, being close to a lake.
It's quite hard to be angry when you're looking at
the surf, isn't it. There's something about it. It makes

(01:42:55):
you small. You feel small and compared to compared to things.
You're blown away by the beauty of nature, and then
you just maybe your little problems to sort of you know,
you get humbled by it a little bit.

Speaker 17 (01:43:05):
Craig, Yeah, I just sit on the beach and surf casting.
You think, you look at it and think how small
you are considering the size of the waves in the world,
how in significant you are. So I did zone out
and out supposed to find it. I mean I didn't
really care whether the cord anything or not. I would
just sit there and enjoy this, as you say, the
scenery in the fresh air, and just zone out. And
but yeah, I never used to get angry. I just

(01:43:26):
looked at it and go We used to can get
angry about something, but it's not going to solve the
problem in front of you. So it's just what it's
going to do is work you up and give your
high blood pressure, if anything, your health issues.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
If anything, it makes it harder to solve the problem
that you've got in front of you, because you're now
angry and you're feeling vengeful, you want to smash something,
you want to throw your tools around, whatever it is,
as opposed to that energy being spent on solving the
actual problem in front of you. So it's exactly yeah, hey,

(01:43:56):
well good on your Craig, thank you for giving us
a call. So this text before saying you need anger
and sport, well, I wrote this book right, and one
of the chapters was on anger, and I was just
talking about whether you need anger. So I actually asked
All Blacks Captain X All Blacks Captain Karen Reid about it,
and this is what he said about anger and sport.

(01:44:17):
Because a bunch of people are saying, if you don't
fire yourself up in sport, and I guess this could
be in battle or even you know, just to the
certain jobs, people claim you need to be angry. But
this is what Karen Reid said about it. I don't
buy that to be aggressive you need to be angry.
So I never felt the need to look for something
to make me that way. In fact, if I got

(01:44:38):
angry on the field, it tended to be to the
detriment of my game because it basically stopped me from
making great decisions. As a captain, there would be times
where an angry response was needed to be given to
the team to snap them out of a funk. However,
you always needed to come inside the message with solutions
and a way forward. As a captain, I would use
yelling and ranting as a tool to motivate the forwards

(01:44:59):
around me. But I wasn't ever angry, as I'm not
that kind of person. So you know, Kieren Reid, he
didn't need anger. You're listening to Newstalk z B. It
is in nineteen minutes to four. We're talking about anger.
Is that world becoming more angry? If so, what should
we do about it?

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Za'd be it is sixteen minutes to four afternoon, Matt.
I don't think the world's getting more angry. I think
the world's getting lazier and angers result of laziness where
it's a lot easier to become that way rather than
focus on the issues at hands at hand. Regard Simon,
this sick says. I read your book, Matt. The anger
chapter helped me a lot. What was the razor? I

(01:45:50):
think what you'll be talking about is Handlan's raiser, And
this is a great one. This is a handy rule
of thumb that goes. Never a tribute to malice that
which is adequately explained by stupidity. So suppose a hotel
clerk loses your reservation. Yes, he might have done that
on purpose, but more likely here is simply incompetent frame.

(01:46:10):
The incident is in competence rather than malice, and the
emotion that you're more likely to experience will be pity
rather than anger. Yeah, So never attribute to malice what
is adequately explained by stupidity. That is Handlin's razor. Now, Carolin,

(01:46:32):
welcome to the show. You've got some thoughts around anger
and why we are angry these days?

Speaker 11 (01:46:40):
Yeah, Hi, how are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (01:46:44):
Good?

Speaker 22 (01:46:45):
I actually am the people that I ever had some
problems with as an anger. It's you for this narcism.
A lot of people actually don't actually realize how many
people in the world nowadays are narcissists. Okay, I just
call it a nasty person. They're people that are very
much all about them. If they can't get their own way,
if they can't control you, they get violence, and they

(01:47:05):
get ugly and they get angry. You put something like
narcissm so a doctor told me just about three months ago,
with any other type of head mental type thing like
bipola or schizophrenia, and you've got a very very dangerous person.
So narcism is really really out there nowadays. And I
don't know if you know anything about it, but I've

(01:47:27):
read quite a bit about it. I listened to about
it on YouTube and all sorts of things, and I've.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
Been you deal with a narcissist, CAROLINEA Like, if you
identify a narcissist, how do you deal with that?

Speaker 22 (01:47:38):
You can't deal with them, right, You can't. You actually can't.
The ones that I've had to deal with personally in
my life for the last five months, two of them
have got really, really really violence the stage where it's
been to end up with assault on me. And I
don't get angry with them, No, I don't get angry
with them, I just try to avoid them. They're family

(01:48:02):
members as well, which is pretty sad.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
Are you able to stay so you avoid them all
the time or you avoid them when they're getting angry?
And how are you able to stay away from these people?

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:48:16):
So I can and I'm able to stay away from them.
But then if they get in touch with me, because
because they are family members and close came family members,
and they need my support in somewhere like say an operation,
they have an operation and they just want their mother
or this sister, whether I am to them around them,
then I will then go forward and be there with them.

(01:48:37):
And then they will turn up retle snakes again. They
just yeah, and some of it's because they can't control
you or have you. So say one's the next relationship.
You're not interested in the relationship anymore, but he definitely is.
So we're talking, stalking, we're talking, you know, yelling at
you're in the streets. Everything just you know, it doesn't

(01:48:57):
don't get and I pass both these two people as narcissists.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Thank you, Thank you for your call, Caroline, and you
stay safe. I'm sorry that you're having to deal with
that situation. Thanks for your call or Jeff, how are you?

Speaker 16 (01:49:10):
How are you mate?

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
I'm very good. I'm good to talk to you. So
you've got you've got a way to deal with you've
got ways to master anger.

Speaker 16 (01:49:18):
Well, I get angry every day, to be honest with you, mate, yep,
every day. And I don't think the issue is anger
at all. The issue is behavior.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:49:28):
I've been a chef build a landscaper with private security
and drove eighteen wheelers that were hauling explosives for the
UFLR fields and.

Speaker 6 (01:49:39):
So you have to keep it together, right, Yeah, And
it's a bit. It's a bit like when you're on.

Speaker 16 (01:49:44):
A motorbike and you're pulling one hundred and fifty clicks
and you start moving. All of a sudden, everything's going
fast and everything's going slower. It's a human being. When
situations get intense and you get angry, you need to
think about that behavior. You don't have to behave badly,
you know, it's just angers and emotion like being happy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Yeah, you know, I mean and accept that. Yeah, so anger.
So something happens and anger draws your attention to it,
and it might need to draw your attention to it.
But then you're What you're saying is then once you've
had your attention drawn to it, what you do about
that thing that's making you angry is behavior, and the
behavior is up to you.

Speaker 16 (01:50:26):
Yeah, you have to basically, especially in the kitchen is
a great one. You know, if you lose your jam,
you're going to end up in the weeds and everything's
going to be a mess. So you have to literally
shut down the noises of what's going on and focus
on the end result and be calm and go, Okay,
I need you to fire three stakes over there. I

(01:50:47):
need this going over here and bring it back to order,
because if you don't, it's history. It just gets from
worse to worse to worse. And it's the same in life.
You know, you're in a family situation and you get angry,
You've got to be able to be and I hate
to say this, but you've got to actually be a man,
an adult and go, Okay, I've got a responsibility to

(01:51:08):
leave my family. How am I going to behave how
am I going to project my behavior?

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Well, I mean, as I said before, I think that
quote from Marcus Aurelius and Meditations, how much more damage
anger does than the things that cause it. So you know,
within a family situation, someone might annoy you and you
can just make everything so much worse by your anger.

Speaker 16 (01:51:26):
If we need personal responsibility again, and I think that's
what's lost because we're too busy blaming situations and circumstances
and it's not fear and it's my right I should
have this, yeah, rather than going, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Yeah, like we have a responsibility, you're saying. So people
going it's a cost of living crisis. There's political polarization,
the social media, our algorithm, there's there's there's post pandemic,
climate anxiety, financial worries, and the real answer is that
you've just blown up and you've been a deck And
everyone in all of history has had challenges and and

(01:52:04):
it's up to every human being to deal with the
challenges of their time and not be a dick.

Speaker 16 (01:52:12):
But these days you get like Trump behaving the way
he behaves, and so that's actually sending a message to
society that it's okay to behave poorly.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Yeah, And so when did you Jeff so you sound
like you said you get angry every day, but when
did you sort of come to this philosophical awakening that
you can deal with anger and this way and not
blow up and buyre things out on truth, social whatever.

Speaker 16 (01:52:38):
Well, maybe my most calming time was when I was
driving trucks and I had explosives on the back of
meat and have all the time serious Yeah, I love
all the sign writing and all the safety stuff going on,
and some tweetle would be in a hurry and cut
you off, and I'm like, mate, if things go bad, you.

Speaker 6 (01:52:53):
Get to meet Jenus in the morning room.

Speaker 8 (01:52:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:52:57):
Yeah, so you have to pull it back. Get your
instinct or your poor behavior is to hit the horn
and get the bird and scream your head off, blow
the whole world. But that's when you make a mistake, mate,
and you go for the break and you miss it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Yeah, well, good on you react, Good on you, Jeff,
Thanks so much for you call. Appreciate that is it,
dk DC, DCM.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
Well, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Very good? Thank you? Sort of running out of time,
so I've probably got about sixty seconds with you. Sorry,
but you also what you've done some research around anger?

Speaker 19 (01:53:31):
Yeah, I have. I've spent the last fifteen years in
the classroom working with teenagers and adults, and you have
seen a lot of outbursts over that time and what
I've kind of realized and to be feeing in ninety
seven percent of emotion researchers would disagree with me, but
I've sort of learned that anger is as a secondary

(01:53:52):
emotion and just just a quick running definition that I've created.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
Is there.

Speaker 19 (01:53:57):
Anger is a cluster of emotions that have yet to
be unpacked and correctly identified. It's often expressed negatively and
sometimes through aggression and violence. So for me, as someone
who has been it's the final the classroom witnessed things
like this. I really believe that if you were to
unpack that which was being felt at the time, often

(01:54:18):
anger just dissipates and becomes non existence, and that when
you're dealing with the feelings of pain, frustration, grief, you know,
the expressions that we see as anger tend.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
To not be there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Yeah, well, got on you, DC think thank you for
your call. I mean, as Seneca said, because I love
the Stoics, the best plan is to reject straight away
the first incentives to anger, to resist its very beginnings,
and to take care not to be betrayed into it,
for if once it begins to carry us away, it
is hard to get back again into a healthy condition.

(01:54:51):
What about that you listen to News Talks ATB it
is seven minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:57):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
All right, that brings us the end of the show.
Thanks so much for listening and thanks for all your
calls and text bum we didn't have time. Would love
to keep talking about anger a bit longer to said
Paul Holmes. Broadcast of the year. Here the duplessy Allen
is up next? And why am I playing this absolute
banger from madness?

Speaker 6 (01:55:27):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
It's because builders are struggling to put houses in the
middle of ro Street in Wellington because of this cycle
lanes all are you seeing busy?

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
We'll let you go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
I'll be back tomorrow afternoon. Until then, give them a
taste of Keyway.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
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