Full Show Podcast: 08 June 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Very good afternoons. Youre welcome into Monday show. Really good
to have you listening in and hope you're having a
great afternoon wherever you're listening from in this beautiful little
country of ours. Matt Heath, how are you doing today?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm doing very well. So this coming weekend, Tyler, you
and I are heading to toeporder on the pillar to
poe Yep, which is a six hour relay race. You
and I are in the News talk Z the News
walk S ed B team. But we'll there'll be no walking.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
There'll be no walking. They've got cameras on each of us.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's just a bit of a just a bit of
a silly plan words there. Yeah. And so six six hour,
seven point two k lap relay race.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Three of us in the team.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
So a couple of questions for your met heathen for
our listeners as well. So one I was looking at
I've left my training too late. I know that, and
I've stuffed up. And when I went to try and
go for a decent run about a week ago, my
leg seized up and I had to not run for
about three days to get them right. So I know,
I know I've missed up on that part of it.
But what I really want to nail here is the
nutrition hitting into race stats on Friday. I've had a

(01:30):
look online, I've done some googling, and apparently I've got
to start carbo loading now, Is that right? I need
to get into my pastor about.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Now really this far out? No, No, you're just going
to put on extra weight the you're gonna have to
carry around the track.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
If I don't want to do I do not want
to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I've only ever carbo loaded for a big run the
night before, even when I was running marathon last year,
I cainly carbo load the note for I was going
to say. All I was going to say is three
words mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, mac and cheese.
Oh mate, I can do that.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
That is music to my ears.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, just smash a bunch of that the night before, Okay,
And then you get these you get little gels and
energy gels. If you run, then you're hydrating and you're
good to go. Mate. I'm harboring a bit of an
injury as well though, so we'll see how we go.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, So we go the second question I've got for you.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
My ankles a bit, a little bit of a swell
ankle at the moment.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
We're going to do well, mate, We're going to do well.
Going to kick out, yeah, second question for years, I've
got this message gun right now. The message gun looks
a little bit risky, but I'm really I really want
to bring it to the event to utilize during you know,
the time that I'm off. Are you okay with that?
If I bring this slightly risky looking message gun? Are
you are you going to kick me off the team

(02:45):
if I sort of whipped that out way through?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Did you order that online? Are you sure?

Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Of course we did. You're sure it's a message as
long as you what color is it? It's not pink?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's pool.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I'll have to inspect the first because I think you
might have brought something else.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I won't send you a couple of pictures, but we'll
get to the bottom of that.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
One, right, all right, Saturday?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Is it Saturday? Saturday?

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
What are we?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Five days time? Here we go?

Speaker 7 (03:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Righted, yep, me too, right on to the show. Very
excited about today's show as well. After three o'clock, a
psychologist is sounding the alarm on the rise of what's
called looks Maxine. So this is a social media trend
where young men try to optimize their looks. Warning it's
driving unhealthy body image pressure to be perfect and in
some cases also risky behavior. So looks Maxine, is this

(03:33):
something we should be worried about when it comes to
young men?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Is it just young mentaining care of themselves?

Speaker 8 (03:39):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
You know, even if you go to for far, isn't
it better than being overweight and lazy? I mean, you're
gonna have a few install losers out there that push
it too far and start getting cosmetic surgeries and getting
on the PEPs. But you know, your average person just
following health influences and just trying to trying to get buff.
What's wrong with that? Fair question?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
And taking your calls on that After three o'clock. After
two o'clock, Ponzabi residents say Auckland's rat problem is getting
worse with reports of a surge in sightings of some
masses rats and while some appointing ef factors like food race,
food waste rather urban density. One TV personality a former
Desperate housewife of New Zealand. She has suggested that we've

(04:20):
got to get more cats on the case. Just dump
a few more cats into the situation and ponsobe to
deal with the rat situation.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Whenever you put another mammal in to deal with another mammal,
it always goes really really well. Yeah, history would show
think it goes really really well. And you know, of
course that I got chased down Fulham High Street in
London by a giant rat once and only just made
it back to my house alive.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's right, terrifying but fascinating story.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
So I don't think we've reached the sort of dog
sized rats that you get in London. But how do
you deal with rats? Or are people just chickens? You
know what I mean? Who cares if there are a
few little rodents running around? You're kind of cute, don't they?
Little rat?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, you're a hundred times bigger than them.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Just go and give them a little feed them a
little bit cheese, and give them a little of a
stroke and send them on their way.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is anuper to call
after two o'clop it right now, let's have it a
discussion about blood and plasma donations. So the New Zealand
Blood Service is urgently calling for thousands more donors. They
say only around four percent of eligible kiwis give blood
and plasma. This is despite somebody needing it once every
eighteen minutes, which is incredible. So demand for plasma is

(05:25):
rising fast. That's expected to jump more than twenty five
percent in the next couple of years. Chief Executive of
the New Zealand Blood Server Sam Cliff. She was on
with Heather duplusy Ellen, and she said there's a range
of reasons people aren't donating as much as they should.

Speaker 9 (05:40):
Because people's lives are busy and there's a hell of
a lot of demands on everybody's time and the headspace.
It takes time out of your day. Whole blood donation
doesn't take as much time as a plasma donation, but
it's something you have to really think about. It's not
something that will just happen by outmosis. You actually have
to book an appointment turn up.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Why is it that the plasma donations are up, but
then the whole blood donations down.

Speaker 9 (06:02):
We collect whole blood to meet demand. Now, whole blood
is the stuff that only lasts for thirty five days.
It's the red stuff that most people think of when
they think about blood. Yeah, it's red cells, and that's
really used mainly in acute settings. So it's pretty high
turnover if you like. So Obviously people get transfusions in
hospital if they're an make call lost blood or whatever. Yeah,
plasma is one of those amazing things that can be

(06:22):
made into eleven life saving products which can be used
to treat kids with deficiency disorders, to clotting disorders, to cancer,
liver disease, a whole range of things. Demand for those
products is up.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, So if you just look at it, just pure numbers. Right, So,
countries that prohibit compensation tend to experience plasma collection deficits.
That's just the case. The United States pays for blood plasma.
I think you never you never want to pay. This
is my understand You never want to play pay for
blood because people will lie about the state of their

(06:59):
blood to try and get the cash, right.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I can see the concern they're and the dangers.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the plasma spine you can take.
I think you can take plasma out of dodgier people.
But anyway, the United States that allows it compensation supplies
seventy percent of the world's plasma. So if you have
a shortage, then pay for it and then the shortage
goes away.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Right, yeah, well you want to be self reliant, right,
what do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty?
Is that such a silly idea that if we compensate
people for going down and giving plasma, because even though
donations are up, they always always need more. In this country,
it's been a long situation that they always need more
blood and plasma. Is it uneth the core or a
silly idea to pay people?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I don't understand who the people? Because so what she
was saying seems to be a bigger issue to me,
which is the time, right, Yeah, it's the time? And
also you feel a little bit shagged afterwards, like it's
hard to do a full day's work after you've given blood.
It is, yes, correct me if I'm wrong, but it
seems like it has quite an effect on you.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
You're a little bit spaced out for the next twenty
four hours.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
So it's the time and circumstance as much as the money.
So how much money would have to be to get
over that hump? Because because I think we when we
give blood in New Zealand, we're quite proud of the
fact that we we donated out of the kindness of
our hearts. But have our hearts become less kind? Is
that the problem?

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, and nine two ninety two is the
text that is fourteen past one. Let's get into it.
It is we will be back very soon, the.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Be seventeen past one. So we need more blood donors
and plasma donors. Is it time we start to look
at compensation for those that give? I wait, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. How you doing, Kate?

Speaker 10 (08:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (08:53):
God?

Speaker 12 (08:53):
How are you both good?

Speaker 3 (08:54):
So I understand you've given blood a few times?

Speaker 10 (08:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think come up. I think my
next one's ninety. I think cool the next one. But yeah,
I work full time and I'm on the section, and
so you know, as much as you know you want
to do what you know you feel you should do,
it's having that time out of work and driving all
the way up there and then coming back, and it's
a bit difficult with an EMPTM. You do feel a

(09:18):
bit fright, yeah, right, yeah, you know You've got all
the good reasons in the world to do it. I
don't think they need to compensate. I think, you know,
I mean, people should just do this because you can,
but not everyone is.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
You're obviously a fantastic giving person. Kate, How do we
deal with the fact that there's not enough of views
out there?

Speaker 10 (09:40):
Oh? I know, but you know what short memories people have.
I mean, there must be so many people out there
that have actually been looked up to by a whole
system and they've probably needed blood, blood products and things
like that.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
You know, Yeah, over what period if you get so
you're coming up to your ninetieth over how many years I've.

Speaker 10 (10:00):
Been donating since I was twenty and I'm sixty five?

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Now, wow, and are you giving whole blood or pleasma.

Speaker 10 (10:08):
Yeah, I get whole blood. I'm one of the more
common blood groups, and so they like to have a
good bank of that for yeah, operations and stuff like that.

Speaker 13 (10:19):
Yeah, so you pretty.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Much in there. So I think the stand doown's twelve weeks,
right about three months. Yeah, so you're pretty much in
there at the end of that standdown each time just about.

Speaker 10 (10:31):
And then the last time I went up my eye
and levels were too low in the head to say, sorry, Kate,
bye bye. Waste of a trip. Some on iron tablets,
get that back up, because.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
So you're you're actually actively taking measures to get your
blood up to standard to donate.

Speaker 10 (10:48):
Well, I mean, not for that reason solely. I mean
I think as you get a bit older, you know,
any sign of anema is something that you should be
a bit concerned about anyway, And if you're taking an
iron tablet every day is good for your health, and
then it also has the flow and effect to being
able to donate, well, fill your boots, you know.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
What about what happens when you had a HUNDI if
you get is there some kind of special you know,
one hundred club when you get the century one hundred
donations I.

Speaker 10 (11:14):
Think I've got a T shirt when I've done my
fift years.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
But is it an exceptionally nice T shirt?

Speaker 10 (11:23):
Well, I think I think they thought I was Spinolia
and I actually have.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I think you should get a Dame. I think you
should get a Dame Hunt.

Speaker 10 (11:30):
No, look, truly, you know, I don't even think about it.
You just do it because you know, being a mom
and having two children and my first baby trying to
come early, and you know, just anything can happen in
your life. And if you've got this commodity that you
can just calm out of your day and go and
do that, then it's paying it forward. And I don't

(11:51):
think you need compensation for that. You're just doing a
human thing. And my mum was actually quite a rare
blood touch. She had resuspector, and so they used to
pick her up in the black car and go and
take her into the clinic and then take the blood
spin it off and then put the red cells back
and then take her back home in the big flush

(12:12):
black car.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
So makes sense if you've got so what is that
is that?

Speaker 7 (12:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Positive?

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Negative? I forget which one is the positive?

Speaker 10 (12:20):
Yeah? Yeah, no, I just I'd like to just put
a call out every single body, and I know there
are heaps and heaps of people that listen to this
wonderful station. Just get off your chufts and go and
do it, because, honestly, the way it makes you feel
doing something for your fellow man, it's a great feeling.

Speaker 14 (12:38):
Just do it.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
You can.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Good on you, Kate, You're You're great New Zealander. Can
I just ask, so you were never scared of needles?
Because a big, a big thing, not only the tiredness
and the time. Is that a lot of us just
once when it comes to needles. So was that just
something that you never had?

Speaker 14 (12:53):
Not really? Not real?

Speaker 10 (12:54):
I mean you just turn your face away and think
of England, you know. I mean I'm always because I'm
always Russian to get back to work, I suld at
tend to get cog around a bit more than I should.
And then I actually tried to head away a bit
earlier and I had a bit of a spirch and
they had to tell me to see through this system.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay, all right, right there.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
It is, Well, don't let that put you off.

Speaker 10 (13:18):
They look after you really really well.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
You get can you reach out to us when you
hit a Hundie. Oh well yeah, so we'll do some
kind of celeration.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
For we have something nice for you.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
We'll get something more than a T shirt for you
when you hit one hundred problem, I promise it.

Speaker 10 (13:31):
Bless your heart, you have a wonderful day, my.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Dear you two. Okay, what a great person. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Are you like Kate? Are
you nearing your ninetieth donation? I mean there wouldn't be
too many keys out there like that.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well, she says, look away when you when it's going
when the needle goes in. So later in the show,
maybe I'll share my technique that got me over a
fear of needles.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Okay, okay, there's a lot of people asking for it, yees,
so it's got to happen. That's coming up. Ninety two
ninety two is the text that is twenty two past one.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Here yourself.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Think it's the my costing Breakfast.

Speaker 11 (14:01):
Budget documents show the government has already quietly pre committed
about a billion dollars from future budgets, but won't say
what the money is for.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Rad Olson is the.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Principal economist at Informetrics.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
It's just slightly.

Speaker 11 (14:11):
Weird timing to have something in the budget, to have
it pre committed but not reveal the information. Usually you
wouldn't have that in the budget documents.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
You'd instead, at some point.

Speaker 11 (14:21):
In the next month or two come out and say, look,
we've got this announcement. We're still doing the policy work,
but we've sort of, you know, pre charged the cost
of this policy against the next couple of budgets.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
My reading of it is that I.

Speaker 11 (14:32):
Don't know if they haven't quite got it through the
coalition workings.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Heather Duple see Allen on the Mike casking breakfast back
tomorrow at six am with a Vita retirement communities on
news talks, there'd.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Be twenty five past one. So we're paying people to
donate blood and plasma. Increase the number of donors. We
get a weight one hundred eighty ten eighty to.

Speaker 15 (14:52):
Number to COO.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Allen says, Hi, guys, I've given nearly two hundred whole
blood donations and I always feel better after blood, not tired.
I wonder if it's posts the immune system interested, if
it fires up them mune system or something like that. Yeah,
two hundred, I mean that is incredible. Look, there's no
need for money. The blood bank already commensate with hot drinks,

(15:14):
cold drinks, sweet biscuits, cheese, and crackers. What more do
you need.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
It's a pretty good spread, pretty good spread.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
At Blood England in America. What they need is eighty
bucks is what they pay.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
That's pretty generous.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
But I'm not going to go and give blood for
eighty bucks like I have given blood. And you know,
and in my book, I wrote about how I got
over the fear of needles to give blood.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
And you're going to talk about that. Maybe towards the
end of the hour, maybe there's a lot of people
asking for it.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Maybe, but is that going to be the difference because
you knowed you to talk to Kate before and it's
the time off. Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Mean it's trying to get yourself into a center, right,
And you know, some of them do it on a
Saturday morning, that's fine. Others don't do it on the
weekend because they can't find enough volunteers to work over
the weekend or nurses. So yeah, there's probably a whole
rafter reasons. But for some people, you'd argue eighty bucks
will get a lot more people down there. But what
do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number? Get a Readhi?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Are you very good?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 16 (16:12):
My thoughts. I've got high blood irons and I give
blood all I have to take blood off me every week.
That went on for like six months and then I'm
on even two weeks now, and so I don't know
why people afraid of it.

Speaker 15 (16:30):
It is fine.

Speaker 16 (16:31):
The needles a bit bloody big, but it's fine. I'm
not tied afterwards at all. I just going to the
hospital kids four and fifteen mots drawn out of me
and I woke out and got kill in my day.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well, and so if that's twice a week, you're giving
that four fifty once a.

Speaker 16 (16:49):
Week, once a week for six months, right, and now
I'm every second week.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Right, And so so even though you have to give it,
because did you say that you've got what too much
iron in your blood? Is that what you were saying?

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yes? Yes?

Speaker 16 (17:01):
And then what my thoughts off from the beginning is
from South Africa and here they'll use the blood for everything,
and but the end New Zealand they just chucked the blood.
If you can calculact all those and many liters of
blood that I've donated or chucked down the drain. They
can use that for something, right is it?

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Because so your blood's being removed because you've got a
medical condition. Right, But that blood that they're taking from
you is not being put into this into the system.

Speaker 16 (17:33):
No, No, just to chuck away just because I've got
high blood irons.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Right.

Speaker 16 (17:39):
Wow, that doesn't make sense to me. But I haven't
asked to.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Give it to someone about it?

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, surely they could give it to someone with low
blood irons and everything with even out.

Speaker 16 (17:50):
I don't know, because yes, I'm pretty much straightforward difference answer.
It does make sense. It will challenge you so that
I'll keep my mouth shut.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
And so like, are you a pincussion? You've got holes
all over you read?

Speaker 16 (18:05):
When my right arm veins kids too sore, they will
just go over to the left and side. And then
with these two systems, one is like walks of gravity,
another one with a sinner needle work with a lack
of vacuum cavity in the bottle mule. Yes, but normally

(18:27):
the US a big cow needle.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Wow, you're still going to find a vein though, right,
And as I know, some veins can be tapped out
if you if you take too much for it.

Speaker 16 (18:36):
Yes, that's what happened with me.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, I mean it sounds like you're doing your part,
re ed and it's it's pretty forlorn.

Speaker 16 (18:43):
Are used to Yeah, I use it for something elseful,
bitter you know, yes, my heal them afterwards, just.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Doing just doing math. And I could be wrong here,
but but it seems like you might have. You must
have given a thousands. I mean, even though they can't
use it or don't think they can use it, it's
thousands of liters of blood that's come out of you, right, Yeah,
I'd like to do the math on that. So four
fifty let's say, five hundred a week for six months.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of blood. Yeah, yeah, ed,
very interesting, Thank you very yeah, absolutely mate. Hey, thank
you very much for giving us a call. So taking
your calls on O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty,
How much or how many times have you given blood?
And what would it take to get you down there
more often? Coming up very soon, we are going to
have a chat to doctor Eric Crampton. He's from the

(19:36):
New Zealand's Initiative and he's written in the past on
the apparent need to compensate people for becoming donors. He's
looked at research around the world and what happens when
countries decide to go from you can't pay people to
let's pay people and the uptick that they see in
donations there. So is that twelve hundred mills, Yeah, it

(19:57):
would be yeah, yeah, cheapest. That's a lot of blood.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Right, that's all coming up eight twelve thousand meals twelve thousand, yeah, twelve,
there will be twelve thousand mills.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Cheapert right, that is coming up next. We'll get the
lines with Rayline. But of course taking your experiences on oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty, it is twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 2 (21:29):
Thank you very much for Eileen twenty six to one.
So New Zealand is facing ongoing pressure on its blood
and plasma supply, but one idea keeps coming up. Should
we actually be paying downers? Utilizing research from Georgetown professor
in ethics Peter Jaworski, economist doctor Eric Crampton from the
New Zealand Initiative argues the current system isn't working, pointing
out that we rely on imported plasma from countries like

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the US where donors are paid. So is it time
to rethink the ethics and the economics of paying people
for plasma? Doctor Crampton joins us. Now, very good afternoon,
Good afternoon, hey, just to.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Start things off, just so we all know where we
stand on this. What's the difference between plasma and whole blood.

Speaker 18 (22:09):
Plasma is the straw colored liquid that the blood kind
of floats around in. Whole blood has plasma as well
as red blood cells, white blood cells, all the other
bits that are in blood. You'd have to find a
different kind of doctor to get you all the kinds
of different the specific differences, but plasma is safe to
donate more frequently than blood. It regenerates far more quickly
within the body. Whole blood it takes a little bit longer.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
For that to come back up.

Speaker 18 (22:33):
And plasma also is really important in manufacturing medicines. That
gives us another difference between blood and plasma, because you
can make plasma donations really safe in ways that it's
harder to do with blood. When you process it for medicines,
you can kill off anything that's in there really that
might be a problem from the donor. With blood, you
have to be a little bit more careful.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
So when you give plasma, you tag all the blood
out and then then that they give back the red
blood cells.

Speaker 18 (23:01):
Is that outwards the machines pull out of the plasma,
any blood goes back into the person. They're always having
technological improvements in this, particularly in some of the paid
centers in the US. The machines are getting a lot
more efficient and they've had increases in the amount of
plasma that they're able to get from a donor per donation,

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just because the machines are getting a lot better at it.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
So why is it any plasma that save at take
and never real There's not really many countries that will
applay for whole blood, is there.

Speaker 18 (23:33):
Well, plasma is in shortage in any country that doesn't
allow compensation for donors winds up having shortages of plasma.
New Zealand had bucked that trend until about fourteen twenty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Since then we've.

Speaker 18 (23:46):
Been reliant on increasing proportions of immuno globulin, which is
the product made from plasma. Is one of the products
made from blood plasma, the most prominent one we have
been importing increasing amounts of that. We used to be
self sufficient, now we're not. We're buying product out of
the United States, where donors are compensated. The United States

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is responsible for about seventy percent of the world's supply
of blood plasma product, in part because they allow compensation.
They're not the only country that does. Germany, Austria, Hungary,
Czech Republic, and some Canadian provinces allow compensation, but others
like New Zealand Australia, we lined up with shortages. We
don't have a shortage of blood, we do have shortages

(24:28):
of plasma, and we wind up important because of it.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
So if someone had a moral problem with people being
paid for plasmas, then we are anyway. We're just outsourcing
it to another country.

Speaker 18 (24:40):
We are paying American donors for their plasma product. And
that's one of the things that worried me intensely during COVID.
So they were seeing sharp decreases in donation rates during
the early part of COVID because they were having all
of these rolling lockdowns across the US that were starting
to hinder some of their supply, and because we were
increasingly reliant on their product. I was worried that our

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failure to allow compensation would result in worse shortages here that.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Could not be made up.

Speaker 18 (25:06):
Allowing compensation here would allow us to be part of
the solution. So rather than outfitting poorer countries for immunoglobulin
products from the United States, we would be helping to
supply them, which seems like a good thing.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
How much did they pay in the States, and how
much would you imagine we would pay here in New
Zealand for placement.

Speaker 18 (25:28):
I don't have those numbers in front of me. You'll
have to talk with Peter sometime, because he is the
real expert on this. I just wrote the forward for
his report, But I note that in the Canadian paids
it's just this really neat outcome, where at least in Canada,
the Canadian paid services can supply plasma at forty one

(25:50):
to eighty eight percent of the cost that faces the
Canadian blood services that don't compensate, So the paid donation
centers wind up being a lot more efficient, even though
about a third of the cost of plasma is what
they paid donors.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Actually, just looking at this here at Google search, between
thirty and eighty American dollars per donation. So I just
wonder if that's an because because the difficult part of
giving blood is taking the time out of your day
going somewhere and the perceived tiredness that you get after it,
so you can't have a lot on on that given day.

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So it's a little different with plasma.

Speaker 18 (26:27):
So you wouldn't get the same kind of tri right
losing blood, right, you're seeing with plasma, there's a bit
of a recovery time, but you'd be able to donate
plasma like every six days or so if we had
compensated donation here. That's one of the other reasons that
compensation can really make sense with blood donations. You might
go a few times a year, right, and getting like

(26:48):
even a one off donation is pretty good. With a
paid compensation regime, you'd have someone who's gone through the
initial paperwork and then they show up far more regularly,
maybe once a fortnight. It's really you get efficiencies in
processing because it's the same person coming back repeatedly. There's
no harm in doing so, it's safe. It happens all

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the time in the US, there aren't adverse consequences. But
you can get those efficiencies in donation because you get
the same person coming back repeatedly because you're not asking
them to give up huge amounts of time for free.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
One of the big pushbacks, Doctor, you know, from the
ethics standpoints, is that it could be turning parts of
the human body into a commodity. So if we were
to compensate for placement donations, what would need to change
is that legislation that would need to be altered.

Speaker 18 (27:37):
It'd be in the Human Tissues Act, where there are
general prohibitions on compensation for products in the human body.
So we've gotten a kind of exemptions for that, for
compensation for time out of the workforce sometimes. So Minister
Bishop progressed legislation that passed unanimously through Parliament that allowed
compensation for life kidney donors. That's been helpful. We could

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allow compensation here as well. I would prefer to allow
private centers to set up and pay compensation. You see
some of the efficiencies that result in the American and
the Canadian setups where they can drive down costs while
maintaining staffety. It seems to really work well. If we
weren't prepared to go that far, you could just have

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a standard compensation regime for the time that donors are
spending and p enough to make them want to come
back repeatedly.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Eric, it is a fascinating discussion. Thank you very much
for your time. Really appreciated it. And we will speak
to the Georgetown Ethics professor maybe in the next couple
of weeks on his research as well. But it's an
interesting idea.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
This Texas says it should be compulsory. I mean, the
idea of compulsory blood donations from marching people down there
wouldn't be a donation at that point, would they know
exactly an extraction?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
What do you say? I one hundred eighty ten eighty,
So do you agree with doctor Eric Crampton's comments there
that compensation for pleasma donations can work and certainly work
in other places around the world. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call is eighteen past two.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
They'd be it is a quarter to two. How much
do you give blood? Donate blood and plasma? And do
you think key, we should be compensated for giving plasma.
Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call Francis. How are you hello.

Speaker 14 (29:32):
There, Tyler. I'm good. I'm good now. I am a
plasma donor. I give at the moment about once a month.
When we get close to Christmas, I go three weekly.
But then I'm seventy, so I don't sort of like
to put myself under too much pressure, whereas I think
younger people would be able to give every two weeks.

(29:58):
My journey with blood transfusion started when I was about
twenty six, what's the birth of my first child, and
I had what was called a postpartum hemorrhage. So I
actually needed a blood transfusion at that point. And that
was in the nineteen eighties. So I convividly remember lying
in the bed having this blood transfusion, looking at it

(30:20):
and thinking, I hope you don't have AIDS, because that
was a big thing back then. Yeah, was the transmission
with AIDS. I'm also an exnerse and had worked in
ed so for the benefits with plasma and whole blood.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
All right, and would you what do you think about
people getting paid to give plasma or blood sciences.

Speaker 14 (30:46):
Mixed mixed feelings simply because I think do we have
to go through life with everything being transactional with you know,
well I've got this, what are you going to pay
me for it? Because if you do go down the
line and I do appreciate, you know, your donation rates
would go up. My concerns would be the health aspect

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of it with your donors. Could they be potentially carrying something?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Well, I the thing is if it's that, when when
you pay for for the donations, I'll only take the plasma,
which can doesn't matter so much. It's not carrying that
the same risk as whole blood.

Speaker 14 (31:26):
Yeah we know that at the moment. Okay, but but.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's a kind of a situation where we wish everyone
was better than they are, and we wish that people
people would give out of the you know, the kindness
of their heart. But we've got a situation where people
aren't giving enough. So we've got this thing where we
wish we live in a society where people gave blood,
but we don't. So maybe we need to give money
so people in need, like you work, can get that
that that plasma.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (31:52):
Yeah, But then I suppose then the other side of
it is that if you put something into your routine,
it becomes routine and you just do it. Okay, Yeah,
And that's the one good thing. I mean, if I
adn't sick or anything and I can't give blood, I
get reminders from them, you know, about donating, which.

Speaker 19 (32:11):
Is actually quite good.

Speaker 14 (32:12):
But then to me, you're on you know, the footbridge slopes.

Speaker 19 (32:16):
So if you are.

Speaker 14 (32:18):
Then being paid for giving blood, do we then end
up going into the organ donation payment area as well?

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Well, well, they have been looking at that, and that
is you know, that is a concern, but they have
been looking at that as well.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Francis, thank you very much for your call. You know,
I suppose because part of this stamp we haven't mentioned
it yet. Eighty eight percent of kiwis are all four donations,
are donating and say they should be donating more. But
the very fact that only four percent of us two it,
that is a massive gap. So you've got to do
something right because everybody knows, or the vast majority knows
it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I volunteer at New Zealand Blood and we have donors
at two hundred and fifty three hundred and several at
five hundred donations. Many centers start at seven am and
finish at eight pm.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, I mean that's impressed of having two hundred, three
hundred donations over the course of your life. But you
know again, most people look at it, say look for me.
For example, why know it's the right thing to do.
I haven't been down for three years? Why because it's
not top of mind. I mean it takes you know,
I've got to get down there in the morning. Then
I'm a bit spaced out for the day.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Forty five to sixty minutes for a placement donation, yep.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
And do I need the money?

Speaker 12 (33:25):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Not really, would fifty bucks get me over the line
would be a nice sweetener, and I wouldn't say no
to a fifty buck.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Well, if they can come and take it out of
me while I'm doing my job, we can. We can
arrange that, hottie. Guys, we are all scared of needles
until all of a sudden, out of left field, you
need a blood transmission transfusion like I did four of them,
and your fear of needles goes down the sewer.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Believe me, are we gonna because people have been asking
are we're going to talk about next your strategy for
getting over a fear of needles.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Maybe, okay, all right, maybe coming up next to there's
a eleven to do. We've got a lot of callers
on the line that we want to get to before
I go blasting on about my particular theory. Okay, all right,
we'll see how we go. We'll get through a few
of those.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Okay, very good. Eleven to two, beg very shortly.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Matties Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty.
It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
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Speaker 3 (34:18):
Hey, lads, what about offering keepy's time off jury service
in exchange for blood donation?

Speaker 2 (34:23):
When when I think that is a winning idea? So
many people that take that.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
People are jumping through all kinds of hoops to not
do their duty on jury service. Yeah, so yeah, mate,
you can. You can do that, but we're going to
need ten donations from you.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
It sounds like a winning idea. Shamus, how are you?

Speaker 5 (34:41):
I'm really good, thanks, Harry, how you got Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Very good? So what do you think about this idea?

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Look, I've given blood intermittently for a number of years.
It's works allowed it. And I've also I've been giving
plasma as well. I'm in Walkworth. The closest plasma delivery
place or reception places in her were sort of once
a month they set up there. And uh, and I

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did canceled my last one just because times are a
bit tight and pay for the toll road and the
petrol and everything else. It ends up costing me probably
forty bucks, I guess, And so so I didn't. I'm
actually I've rebooked another one. So I just skipped a month,
if you like. So for me, you know, it would

(35:30):
be a good idea. I don't see any harm in that,
and it would save buying it from overseas, and and
it would be part of the solution rather than the problem.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
How much you reckon So you know, you've got all
those expensive toll road and all that, all that kind
of stuff. So would it just you just expect how
costs covered.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Yeah, just a normal nominal fee like fifty bucks would be.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
By aren't Yeah good?

Speaker 3 (35:52):
I think I think they're paying in the eighty in
the United States, eighty bucks American.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah, you'd probably get a lot more good offering it.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's a certain and.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
You know, and like I said, the works better if
it's set up all the time and I've got people
coming back and back and back, and it becomes more efficient.
So that would be a good thing to do.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
What do you think of people like Tyler who said
he you want to do it for less than five hundred.

Speaker 15 (36:20):
Yeah, well yeah, maybe his blood's worth more.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Root for negotiation everything in life.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, because someone he's saying, boys Ada Made who had
very rare blood type much in demand, traveled the world
selling his blood, right.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I mean, that's a hell of a career, isn't it,
Just cyclean around the world and saying, hey, I've got
the good stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
If you want it. Yeah, cour first, let's negotiate.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I'll tell you what. It would go really well in
a university town like Dunedin or even to a lesser extent, Christ,
imagine all those young, virulent students just lining up to
get fifty bucks for their blood. Everyone wants young blood,
and then an extra fifty bucks to go to you know,
getting boozed up straight after.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah. When worse Yeah, I guess the problem is that
we wish that we were still a country where people
will just do it, right, But we're and it's not
just that people have had a moral collapse. People are
just freaking busy.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
So people don't really have the time to do it,
so I don't know, you need the product, and we
are I reckon. The big point in this is we're
buying it overseas, so we are paying for it. So
we're just paying Americans to give blood. That's seventy percent
of the plasma in the world's produced out of America, right,
So whether we agree with it or not, we are
we are just indirectly paying people to give give plasma,

(37:37):
just not in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, that's right, right. Couple of texts, this one says
get a met and Tyler reached out to the Blood
Service today as I'd like to donate after listening to
this program. I don't work Monday to Friday, but they
only click blood Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday in my area. That
is part of the problem. Unfortunately. I know they are
under pressure, but they need to open weekends in twenty

(37:59):
four seven to allow as many people as possible to
get down.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Right, says Fellas. I do it for a fifty dollar petrivulture.
Very useful.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, that's a high demand at the moment, right, thank
you very much. Now more and more people are taxing, mate,
and they want to hear your your idea or what
worked for you to get over your fear of needles.
What do you reckon after the news. You've had a
long time to think about it, so we'll hear about
that after the news.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Okay, all right, right stuff, I'll share it.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Then this is going to be good. Right, you're listening
for it. You're listening to matt and Tyler, stay right here.
That is coming up very shortly. Hope you're having a
great Monday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
I remember a lot tonight. Oh but everything is back
on your color.

Speaker 15 (38:53):
I don't need.

Speaker 17 (38:59):
You're in.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
everything in between. Matty's and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Talk said me afternoon to you. It is six pass
too great to have your company on this Monday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, thanks for tuning in everyone. Before we get stuck
into ponsby Rats, which I'm excited about. We were talking
before about giving blood. Yes, and I think a fear
of needles is not and that is quite a significant
part of why people don't give blood, and everyone says
and rightly. So, Look, you're not scared of needles when

(39:41):
you need the blood put into your body, and you know,
you're not scared of needles when it's life saving. And
a lot of people don't seem to be scared of
needles when it comes to getting tattoos either.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yes, true, but it's a big.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Old it's a big old needle, the one that goes
into your arm to take blood out right, it is.
So I did a lot of study on this because
I was quite scared of needles for some reason. I'd
rather a nurse punch me in the face than prick
me with a knee, basically, something about the piercing your skin.
And you can kind of understand why. I think, evolutionarily speaking,
it was never a great idea when you're when you're

(40:17):
you know, your body was open to the elements.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
You know, yeah, being stabbed by something and tapping into
your vein.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, you know, mosquitoes kill people, you know, with the
malaria and such. But most people react to needles if
they're scared of them, by clenching their fists, tensing up
and looking away and pretending it's not happening. But fear
grows when we don't confront things. And so, just paraphrasing

(40:43):
my book Lifeless Punishing, I wrote about this in it.
It's like in the movie Jaws with a shark the
shark and the movie Jaws, isn't it for less than
less than four minutes in a movie that's over two hours? Yes,
and that actually makes it more frightening. And Steven Spielberg
actually wanted the shark, and they're more that the shark
they made was so rubbish that they they didn't put
it in the edit as much, and as a result,

(41:04):
they discovered that it was much more frightening. And I
still reading the writings of Shens and Young a Buddhist monk,
and he shut himself away for one hundred days in
an unheated ice shack near Mount Koyer. Impressive, Yeah, And
he worked out over the time each each day. Part

(41:25):
of his training was to pour ice cold water over
his head and part of his purification process. And he
discovered that the suffering comes less from painful experiences himself
more from resisting them. That was what he realized. And
then he realized, if you fully focus on the unpleasant
sensation rather than avoiding it. That basically the discomfort diminishes. Interesting,

(41:51):
So when I had my first blood transfusion not flood,
blood dren not transfusion donation, I applied that principle for
the first time to try and get over my needles.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
And so.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Just watching the needle when it goes into your so
instead of looking away, you actually watch it and you
focus completely on every sensation. You focus one hundred percent
as the needle pierces the skin, and you watch the
blood flow. And the weirdest thing is you experience almost
no fear from it all of a sudden, because it's

(42:24):
not as painful as you think it will be, and
all you feel is numbness. And basically, after I did
that a couple of times, my fear of needles has
completely and utterly disappeared because I stared at the situation
and I taught the primitive parts of my brain that
it wasn't going to kill me.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Yeah, So the key lesson is facing discomfort makes it
less frightening than the anticipation of it. So, and you
know that because we know that the needle doesn't really hurt,
it doesn't hurt as much as being slapped. It doesn't
hurt as much as falling over and skinning your knee.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, being keeped on the downstairs.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
So instead of looking away, instead of pretending it's not happening,
you stare at the needle going into your arm, and
you concentrate fully, mindful of every single sensation, and that
particular injection will be less cause you less suffering, and
all going forward will cause you left suffering.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
All right, face it down, Okay, Yeah, that is a
good tap. Can I just one?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
And I've had like probably twenty five people contact me
and say that they've used this technique after reading my
book and it's.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Changed work to treat.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Do you watch the blood going out as well for
the whole time?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, you watch.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
It all all game? Okay, Right, I'll try that next time.
And for those of you scared the needles, give it
a crack and make sure you go down and donate
because we need that blood. And give it a crack
and report back.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Well, well, yeah, give it a crack by donating blood. Yeah,
and then if it doesn't work, at least you've done
something good for the society.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Absolutely, happy days, right, let's get stuck into this topic.
This is going to be a dooozy. So former Real
Housewives of Auckland star claims they're cans of the solution
to arise and roade its y teens after several upmarket
suburbs reported a surge in rats. So these are residents
and Pons and Big Gray then Wesmere Mount Eden, They've
reported a sharp increase in rat numbers in recent weeks,

(44:13):
sharing their concerns about the roaming rodents on social media.
It's all led to Auckland and founder of the New
Zealand Cat Foundation, Ann Bartley Burton, coming out and telling
the hero that cats should be allowed to do their
best work in the situation hurt quote, let nature control
the balance, Let the cats roam and take out these rats.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Well, is there not a lot of cats and pontsa
meat thought, I thought, I mean there is a lot
of sort of I don't know, what would you call
it fashion dogs.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
They're not catching any rats.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
I'm just going up and down ponts me right. And
that's the other thing with modern cats these days. They're
so pampered and overfeared that they don't really go after
the rats, right.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
That's what I reckon's going wrong because I think there
are a lot of rats of cats rather than ponto me.
There's definitely a lot of rats, but they are a
little bit on the heavy side now. They're a little
bit too used to the indoors that now if they
see a king rat situation, they're just going to turn
the bolt or do nothing. Yeah, just stare at it
and watch it run away.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yes, so you suffering a rat infestation? How are you
dealing with the rats in your life? Let's get rid
of the rats. We don't like them.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
There's more cats the answer here, And what is the
best way to get rid of a rat?

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Or are you like a flatmate of mine, Wendy, who
used to have a rat that lived in amongst her dreads,
And she'd come, come and sit down in the lounge
and then just a little rat would be sticking its
little white nose out of her red dreadlock yuck.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
If you like Wendy, we want to hear from you.
I had one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call in ninet two ninety two is the text
that's thirty pas two.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Said be.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
It is sixteen past two. So apparently there's a massive
rat problem in many parts of Auckland, Ponsonbe, Westmere, Graylan
Mount Eden. What are you seeing if you live in
those places? What's the best way to get rid of
a rat situation? I had one hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
And what causes the rats from from?

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Well?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
You know, why do you get these rat rat infestations?
There is what do you call it? When you get
a rat infestation? It's called a plague? Yeah, gretes yep, yep, yep,
plague rats. Can you get a pied piper situation?

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Going?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Pay a lot of money in New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (46:25):
I think you lose the kids as well when you
do that. Hey, guys, possibly an unpopular take, but cats
will certainly do the job. They'll take out rats, but
also the birds that do nothing but pooh on your car.
Bring on the claude killers, cheers Nick.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
All right, So Nick, like's the idea of get the
cats on the cases. Want the cats to kill everything,
take them all out, simon. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Good?

Speaker 12 (46:46):
Hey, guys, look just we I love out rural. Unfortunately
we have four cats because my daughter got to and
then went to Australia and left them. Yeah, but I
was regularly shooting maybe thirty to forty rabbits over a
summer period on our place, and in the last three
years I haven't seen a rabbit or shot a rabbit.
I've got plenty of bait stations around. I've got a

(47:07):
good Nature trap and that's got a counter on and
that's up to thirty five kills on that for rats. Well,
and the cats have caught well rats have come and
live with them. They're also caught weasels and brought them
so they aren't good for the native birds. But over
all they certainly seem to be giving a control of
all the things at our place.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Sometimes you just look at a cat and go, you know,
there's a lot of talk about how cute they are,
but they are an incredibly evolved killing machine. They are
one of the most amazing killing machines ever ever created.
And are your cats eating these rabbits or just killing
them and leaving them on?

Speaker 12 (47:47):
If you're lucky, you might find the tail or an air.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Well feared fat cats.

Speaker 12 (47:52):
And to be honest. It was the funniest thing when
they first brought one and my wife was very worried
about them eating it. They might choke on it or
get a bone stuck. And I said, Karen's a cat.
They normally don't eat out of a can.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
And so hang on a minute. So you've got, you say,
two cats to doing.

Speaker 12 (48:09):
We got we had four, we're down to two now.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
So when when it was actually effective as when it
was four.

Speaker 12 (48:16):
No, No, they're still bringing They still bring rats and
now a rat sorry, rabbits and eels.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Right eels the fishing as well.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Yeah, the eels are alive.

Speaker 12 (48:29):
So I take them back and throw them back on
the creek. But I don't know how I they catch.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Them, because that's a bit of a problem, isn't it.
Because you may have a rat problem, or a rabbit problem,
or an eel problem, but it's currently outside your house.
But it seems like they're bringing they're bringing the problem
into the house.

Speaker 12 (48:44):
Oh regularly, Yes, definitely. They want to show us what
they're doing.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, So you do you agree with this this Real
Housewives of New Zealand person that we've got to bring
more cats into the pons and bee and the grayline
areas to get rid of these rats, just a scorched
Firth situation.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
I don't know. I wouldn't.

Speaker 12 (49:00):
I don't know if I go there far, to be honest,
I mean, I can see how the structures they are.
I mean, I'm only saying rats and rabbits, et cetera.
So I don't know bird life what they're getting because
we don't see anything like that. But I'm sure that
plays a big part of their diet as well.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, Well, Simon, thank you very much. It seems to
be working pretty good at your place rorally, So what
do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
how bad's the rat problem where you're living at the moment?

Speaker 3 (49:26):
So should we put four four cats into every house
and ponts of me to deal with this rat situation?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Interesting question? What do you say? Nine two ninety two?
This is a government funded policy that they just provide
they've got a weak cat van that they'll just drive
around and deposit these killers into your house.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I understand the Opportunity's parties moved on from its anti
cat rhetoric. In fact, we interviewed the new leader of
the top party.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
That's right, qqa well, I think your name is yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, And she got very annoyed at us for even
bringing up the cat policy. It was quite a bizarre,
bizarre little skirmish with her, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
We certainly was. Yes, she wasn't heavy with it.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah, so so, But they've moved on from that. I
don't know what the I mean as people can saying
you get rid of a lot of a lot of rats,
but you also get a lot of rid of a
lot native birds day. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Is that the balance that is worth it? And your view? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call it?
Nine two nine two is the text. It is twenty
past two, And is it? How bad is it?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Are you in a suburb that's been infested with rats?
I'd like to hear from you, how bad really is it?

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Yeap?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
And what are you doing to get rid of them?

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:31):
I was driving down Pontsbury Road just yesterday. I didn't
see rats everywhere.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Twenty past two.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Bag very shortly.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on us talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Twenty two past two. How bad's the rat situation where
you're living as we're heading into winter? Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
The Sexas says, I make my own traps and people
would be surprised how many and how big rats are
in suburbia. This isn't Tor Bay Wow and brown Space
tried sending photos but won't go through.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Make your own traps, I mean that is going the
boat out.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Well, I was saying the other day that I've got this.
I think it's called good nature trap that sends me
a notification every time it kills a rat. Yes, because
I live in Mount Eden, one of these rat infested
poo holes, one of these ratking situation areas. Yeah, so
there's some pretty good traps out there, but making your
homemade one's pretty good. It would be interesting to know

(51:31):
what's common in these rat infested areas. More litter from
the eateries, garbage. Yeah, so I think it's different, right
because where you're you know, in Mount Eden, there's the
mountain and there's lots of caves for them to run around,
and I'm not sure what's where where they're coming from
in Ponsonby.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Because it's by food sources right, So where are the
food sources and pons and be and what's actually going
on that there's this infens station going on. If there's
a big problem happening where you live, keen on your experiences.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
The sticks to sea is? Okay, guys. I'm a license
PESAs controller operating out of Auckland and we have had
a huge spike in activity at the moment, we haven't

(52:14):
reached the peak of it yet either. The idea of
dumping off a whole lot of cats to tackle the
rats sounds like something out of American story and we
know how that worked out.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
This Texas is rats are looking at you right now.
They're everywhere. So you really think that in the Microsking
Memorial Studio that there is the rat infestation is so
bad that there's a rat in here somewhere.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I thought I heard some scurrying before. You never know. Yeah,
I mean we say from the rats here. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighties. So number to call Julia,
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (52:43):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (52:43):
Yeah, god, I got through quickly there. I just want
to share a story about what happens when you have
a phobia with rats. We're rural, quite close to a river,
have the cat that brings the rats, and all the
time to the point where I can't go near any
of the rooms where I know where it is. And
the point now of someone come on and put ten
rat trips around the house.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
Be rural.

Speaker 20 (53:05):
They come through one day when it gets really cold,
scratching upstairs, and it's just gone to that next level.
So rural loving is great, but it does attract the
rats as well.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
So you so you've always been fearful of rats? Or
is it?

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Is? It? Is it?

Speaker 20 (53:22):
No, it's always have been. I think it was ready
to tack on my keep corgy when I was really young.

Speaker 19 (53:28):
That keeps the phobia off.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
So how many how many? How many rats at once?
Was it one rat on one corgy or what was.

Speaker 20 (53:37):
It was only one but it got around the eye,
and I think ever after that she had had a
big scar. But now to the point now work as
a dead rat, I have to bring up somebody to
get them to come pick it up from the other
the lounge.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Or so it was, Corgy, was your Corgy going the
rat trying to trying to catch the rat? Or did
the rat.

Speaker 20 (53:55):
Yeah the other way around. It was many many years ago,
but yeah, the other way around on a farm, dairy farm,
and so now I just have this terrible phobia, which
is not great. You do love rural and there's rats
just the way of life.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
It just comes to go, is that the only thing
you're scared of on the farm, because there's lots of
scary stuff on a farst just there.

Speaker 20 (54:16):
I can do the mice, but the cats and all
go out together and go hunting and come back and
bring headless rabbits all the time. That yeah I call
with that cut them up the rat it's not nice.
And see the tails lying around them.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
It's the tail that does it. That's the thing with rats.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
If they had had a.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Bushy, fluffy squirrel tail, then we wouldn't care about them.

Speaker 20 (54:38):
And yeah, yeah, no, I don't even go there. It
makes me, yeah, break out or thinking thinking about it.
So I just wanted to pass on that they can
go to that next extreme and be terrifying.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
When I was terrifying.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
When I was a kid on the farm, Julia. Growing up,
we had a terrible rat problem and my mum was
had some interesting ways and she ran a rick rat
salance which she had me and met three and my
sisters did a seance to get rid of the rats.
The work it didn't actually work right, but the silence
was a lot scarier than the rats.

Speaker 14 (55:15):
Yeah, it's not fun.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
You wanted to get wanting to get the wei brought out?

Speaker 15 (55:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (55:21):
No, the problem cup one time they do you clean
the guard stairs and you hear the scratching and a
lot more prevalent.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
And how does your partner deal with your fear of
the rats?

Speaker 20 (55:35):
Everyone laughed?

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Yeah, laugh?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
So are you are you sweeling and jumping up on
things in a in a cliche dinner?

Speaker 20 (55:43):
Oh yeah, I have to close the door and I
can't deal with that, But the kids won't say that.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Well, were just yours.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
We were talking about facing fears. So I think the
remedy for you would be to drop be dropped into
a rat pit and be forced.

Speaker 20 (55:59):
A little bot or a couple of my worst my
worst night.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Either you poor old Julia. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty.
So what's the rat situation like at your place? And
what are you doing about it?

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Hey, guys, I think of New Zealand wants to become
predator slash rat free. The government should supply every household
with rat bait to throw a round outside. Okay, cats
won't fix the problem. Most of them would run away
from a decent sized rat. Cheres Alex.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I mean that's the thing we took out of Corgy
before you know, poor old Julia's Corgy. Corgy didn't even
start it. The rat just came for it and scarred
its high.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Hi, lads, I'm a licensed pit control operating out of
Auckland and we have a huge spike in activity at
the moment, says Jason. We haven't reached the peak of
it yet either. The idea of dumping off a whole
lot of cats to tackle the rat sounds like something
out of an America American story, and we know how
that wove. Do you've already read this one out?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
I think I did read that one out, but yep,
it's still good to repeat.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Oh ifore I start reading out of text, you're really read,
you got to stop me.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Okay, I'll stop your next time. Oh one hundred eighty
ten eighty is then able to call? It is twenty
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Speaker 2 (58:17):
Thank you very much, Raylean. So we're talking about this
rat explosion in parts of Auckland and a suggestion from
the former housewife of New Zealand and also the founder
of the Cat Foundation of New Zealand and Batlee Burton,
saying that we need more cats on the job. So
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What's the rat situation
like in your place? And what are you doing about it?

Speaker 7 (58:37):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Eight one hundred eighty ten Eightyes, and number to cool,
Get a.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Get a craig. How's it going?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Well? Just oh, we got you there, Craig. How are
you mate? Now you're a pest controller and things are
exploding at the moment.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Oh yeah, they're pretty busy, all right.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
So what's causing the current increase in rat activity?

Speaker 13 (58:58):
Pretty much just urban living, guys, Just the fact that
we're all crammed in a city full of food. Mess
changes an environment and the changes in the activity around
the rats create change a lot of the time. Rats
and neophobic, so that means that they are acutely aware
of changing their environment. And when the environment changes, so

(59:20):
do we.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Yeah, and we've.

Speaker 13 (59:25):
Got three main rats in Auckland. Well, I say, Noy
and New Zealand. The main two rats that are causing
the problems and the Norway rats and ship rats. So
ship rats are commonly known as roof rats. They are
black and they kind of come into your house. They'll
sneak around under your house, up through your walk cavities
and into your roof space. They can also be great climbers,

(59:48):
so they can climb up bushes and trees and jump
two meters onto your rooftop and squeezing through your roofline
stuff like that. The big ones are called Norway rats.
They're like a brown rat. I've seen one of those
with the circumference of a rugby.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Ball well over a foot long. And they also they also.

Speaker 13 (01:00:07):
Sneak into the else and start chewing on things as well.
And what was the third one, ah, the Currey rats.
And that's a Pacific rat.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
They call it.

Speaker 13 (01:00:16):
But that's usually only common in the South Island. Down
south and a few.

Speaker 15 (01:00:21):
Of our sort of little islands speckled.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Around you and they got missed. They get messed up
by the Norway rats and the ship rats. Right, those little.

Speaker 13 (01:00:28):
Ones, well, to be honest, they all sort of beat
each other up, mate, and they're all they're all looking
for food sources. They're all trying to survive, and unfortunately
there's there tends to be a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Of a crossover for us.

Speaker 13 (01:00:41):
Most people don't or probably don't want to be aware
of the fact that, you know, when you go to
bed at night and you jump into bed and kiss
your wife to sleep and petun your lights off and
pull your blankets up, you've got rats circling your house
every night.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
You know they're they're.

Speaker 13 (01:00:55):
Moving through, they're moving around your fence lines, the houses.
They are they're looking for voids and opportunity, just like
like most most sort the critics are.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Well, as before one text has said, before, is a
rat watching you right now?

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
There is?

Speaker 13 (01:01:12):
And you know what, rats are quite fearless of us too,
so when they get used to us, they mimic our
behavior a little bit. They hide away up in our
roof spaces, and when we're active, they're quiet, and when
we go to bed, that's when they get busy. And
so quite often people don't even know they have rats
until they start seeing infrastructural issues in the house or

(01:01:34):
potential things like they go away over Christmas. We always
get a big spoke at Christmas because there's a change
when the activity in that space changes, So the rats
pick up on that. And quite often people come home
after holiday turn on the dishwasher or the washing machine
and flood the house out because the rats have been
in there showing all the pipes out trying to get
the water and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Yeah, I just get had a new kitchen put in,
and when we remove the old one, we found that
rats had been having a good go at the wires.
And so what are they doing? Like when they do
things like that, eat the plastic around a wire? What
are they trying to get out of that? Because they
can't go? They've don't getting substenance from it? Are they?

Speaker 15 (01:02:14):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
I tell you why they do it.

Speaker 13 (01:02:16):
It's because it's an actual survival mechanism for them, so
that they have their in sizes never stop growing. And
if they don't.

Speaker 15 (01:02:23):
Chew, right, they don't chew.

Speaker 13 (01:02:25):
If they don't gnaw, then their teeth get too long
and it can actually prevent them from being at eat.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
And other things.

Speaker 13 (01:02:30):
So it's more of a survival mechanism and a kind
of a habitual habit that they have of chewing on things.
So I've seen them chew through sheet rock, galvanized iron.
I've seen them chew through you know, four by two
six by two boards that are you know, an inch
and a half thick. They if they want to get

(01:02:51):
to somewhere, they'll they'll find the pathway there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:02:53):
They're pretty pretty damn you know, invasive in that sense.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
And what do you reckon about the solution to rats
introducing more domestic cats? Is that a realistic option? In
an Auckland sabbath?

Speaker 12 (01:03:06):
You know what?

Speaker 13 (01:03:10):
The fine balance of trying to make sure that we
protect the environment, we protect the public, and we protect ourselves.
And with rats, I think it's not as simple as
something like that where you're trying to change the ecology
of an environment, because unfortunately, you're going to get a
lot of collateral damage, you know, and that's the terrifying

(01:03:31):
thing about it. And the same with the baiting side
of it, where you know, I highly suggest to people
if they're going to go and have problems with rats,
by all means, put some bait stations outside domestic ones
with the bait inside. Don't put empty baits, throwing them
under the house or into your in your gardens and
stuff like that, because the actual crossover or secondary poisoning

(01:03:53):
is really terrible. You know, it affects a lot of
our endemic species in New Zealand. It pollutes our waterways
and our ecosystems. So if I can just suggest that,
you know, if people are going to bait, which is
the most viable and most successful method of controlling rats,
because like I mentioned earlier, rats being neophobic. Quite often
people will bang a rat trap or something like that

(01:04:16):
into an environment and hope they're going to catch the
rats that might be circling, and to a point you
may actually get something. You might rats within a colony,
like humans, they have stupid ones and they have over
zealous ones. Those are the ones that you're generally going
to catch. You're never going to catch the cunning one
be too smart. So we use their gluttony against them
to actually get rid of them. We use that baiting process.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
For them to knock them over.

Speaker 13 (01:04:41):
So yeah, there's a whole lot of process around them.
But you know, having traps, cats, all those things I
guess are all working for the same system of trying
to lower the numbers.

Speaker 15 (01:04:52):
But yeah, it's a.

Speaker 13 (01:04:54):
Thing that never goes away. It's constantly here, particularly in
urban environments. Rurally, they have a similar problem around their
food stores and trying to manage the sort of run
of the farm in that because they have a constant issue.
But yeah, it's it's just something that never goes away.
We have peaks and we have troughs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
But yeah, have you ever come across anyone I was
saying before that when I was a kid, my mum
ran a seance on the farm to try and because
we were getting and absolutely infested in the house with rats,
seemed to work.

Speaker 7 (01:05:25):
Have you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
It must have been a big coincidence. But the rats
are there many people out there trying the supernatural that
you see craig ah.

Speaker 13 (01:05:36):
I think people throw a hope and a prayer up
all the time. I had a funny, funny job the
other day where I met a lady and her husband
and he was more terrified than she was of the rats,
and she had been trying to coax him to do
something about it for a month or so. So I
call it a new technika called the hand grenade, where
he bangs open the roof, hats thries a handful of

(01:05:57):
baits up through there, and then hopes.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
For the best.

Speaker 13 (01:05:59):
You know, the problem with that is you don't know
how much bait's been consumed. You don't know whether you've
got them all. And in her case, not only they
got the tip of the iceberg. I came back a
number of times to help them with that and get
rid of everything for them. But yeah, it's interesting. Everyone
has different ideas. I've had customers that are so mortified

(01:06:22):
by the noises and knowing what process is going on
because the techniques we use, we use a special baiting
technique that effectively creates like a rat party upstairs, and
so when you have an issue, yeah, well they all
come come to the bait and there's a big competition
for it. So as people say that sounds like there's
a rugby game going on up there with things flying around. Yeah, look,

(01:06:48):
I've had all sorts. I've I've had maggot infested rats
fall on my head from and I've opened up Bruce kevity.
As I say, I had a customer years ago that
thought she had seen a large what she thought was
a cat, but it ends up turning into a rat
which was bigger than the cats, and he was so
big I couldn't even get him a normal conventional means
I had to make a special rat box for them

(01:07:10):
to come and have a feed in and get rid
of them.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
So yeah, that big is not going to be taken
down by your average overweight domestic ponsomi cat is it.

Speaker 13 (01:07:20):
No, not at all, particularly if they're being fed up
on delicious chicken and gravy and all of the knife of.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
The awful.

Speaker 13 (01:07:30):
Exactly while they'd be interested in that. So incidentally, when
when we actually got the rat and I went out
to see her, it was the glossiest, healthiest rat I've
ever seen. And I said to her, perhaps you should
get a taxidermy and make it into a purse or
a hat or something, you know, and you can wear
it around.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
But yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
A beautiful shiny rat coat. Hey, well, thank you so
much for expertise on this, Craig. That's really interesting to
talk to you. You you want to plug your rat business
or you feel free to if you if you want people,
You've got a number of people can get hold of
you or whatever your name is people can look up on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:08:01):
We're a family based business in Auckland, we called PCs
Pest Control and we're more than happy to help anyone
even through a process of trying to help them understand
what's going on and maybe give them some peace of mind.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
Feel free to look us up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Love it. It sounds like you're very good at what
you do, Craig PCSPS Control if you know Auckland. Give
them a buzz. But it sounds like business is booming
for Craig at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
I like the sound of that big catsized rat with
the beautiful shiny coat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
It's like a King of the Ring situation. It's just
taken out everything right. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number of calling coming up soon. We
are going to touch base with former Real Housewives of
Auckland star and founder of the New Zealand Cat Foundation
and Batley Burton. So that is going to be coming
up very soon. It is seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Wow your home of afternoon Talk, mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
They'd be fourteen to three.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I just got a text from my sister, right, Okay,
she's listening. Hello big Sis. She goes, Hey, Matt. When
we were looking after your house in Mount Eden, there
was a massive water rat in there in your kitchen.
It was so big it was sitting across three drawers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Whatever to this water rat.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
This is the first time off here, she says, I
think Dean got it out. That's her husband, right. Wow,
I didn't know that there was a water rat sitting
across three drawers. She then she said, oh my god.
I also remember the rat seance. It really did work,
but it also freaked us out big time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I think I'd just rather put up with the rats.
That is terrifying. Ever the seance, right, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call and on
the line. What kicked off this discussion was a suggestion
from former Real Housewives of Auckland star and founder of
the New Zealand Cat Foundation and Bettley Burton. Her suggestion
for getting read of the rats in parts of Auckland

(01:09:50):
is more cats, and she joins us on the line,
now live from France, and very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 21 (01:09:56):
Hi.

Speaker 22 (01:09:56):
How are you sy? I woke up?

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Have you run away from the Ponsbi rat situation to France?

Speaker 23 (01:10:04):
No, I amn't.

Speaker 22 (01:10:05):
I would be back there fighting them boats and alls.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
How bad was it when you left?

Speaker 22 (01:10:11):
Oh? Well, Actually, I hadn't heard anything about it when
I left, because I left about three weeks ago. But
I do realize that it is becoming more and more prevalent,
this sort of issue, and I've always been saying, hey,
instead of using all the poisons as well, and just
get the cats out there, let them do their best work.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
How many cats are you running in your house when
you're back in New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (01:10:31):
Well, we have in Parnal, we have a couple of cats,
and we also have a couple of strays that come
around and I look after because we're on the reserve
and Parnal and back at our other house where we've
got the sanctuary, well, of course we've got hundreds of
them there because you know, the whole sanctuary is full
of stray and abandoned cats. But yeah, we definitely and
we do have some that actually free roam on the

(01:10:52):
property because we've got twelve acres out there at Comeo.
But you know, we have no wrap problems whatsoever, as
you can imagine. And funnily enough, we actually have two
hundred geese, about fifty ducks, and we have chickens and
we never have any of them killed, particularly when we've
got goslings and little baby chicks and so on. It's

(01:11:14):
remarkable that it's you know, they just seem to work together,
which is great.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
So, yeah, because that's the that's the pushback on the
idea of more cats, is say that you'll have less rats,
but you'll also have less native birds. That's definitely a thing.
But you say they don't go after them. They don't.
They don't actually, because I've never actually cats don't tend
to go after ducklings, do they for some reason?

Speaker 23 (01:11:35):
They don't.

Speaker 22 (01:11:36):
They the death?

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, you know.

Speaker 22 (01:11:42):
But one thing that's really important to make it differentiation
between is that we're not talking about, you know, a
lovely area where we've got all the ground nesting native
birds and so and in pondanty and you know urban
areas generally. You know, we're right in the middle of
this urban situation, and we're more concerned with keeping the
rats if they aren't. We even worrying about weather. I

(01:12:04):
don't mean to be mean about sparrows and things, because
I love them all, but you know what I'm so,
it's not of the same importance to us. You know,
if some of the sparonjat killed or something, rather than
if it was some beautiful native bird.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah, so how would it work with more cats? Are
you suggesting people adopt more cats or you'd have like
a higher situation where the best killer is on the block.
You just just rent them out for a couple of hours.

Speaker 22 (01:12:28):
Yeah, well that's some mean that is what they're doing
in some big cities around the world. They are actually
sort of hiring them or buying them and agreeing to
set them up in a nice little set up outside,
make sure they're fed, and you know, there's a shelter
form of course, and they're basically needs taken care of.
But leave them out there too, literally roam at night,

(01:12:49):
noc turnl hours of the beasts. You know, cats are
really good doing their best work in the evening of
the night time, and the rats are out there, so
let's use them to get out there and kill the rats.
And the thing is, it's not in people. I mean,
we're always being encouraged to keep our cats inside at
night well as the reason for that, actually it's from

(01:13:11):
the conservations because they want the cats out of your
action so that they're not going to kill any birds.
But the birds in urban areas are actually the fastest,
sleep up in the trees and so on at night
and in the daytime. It's when you may need to
be concerned about the birds, so at night. So I'm
just let those cats get out there and kill the rats.

(01:13:33):
And even if they're not killing them, the pheromones that
the cats actually exude, apparently the rats are so clever
and they sense it and they just think, hey, we
just didn't keep well away from the because as cats
out on patrol.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Yeah, and finally, are you still on the Champagne and
are you over in France for that reason?

Speaker 22 (01:13:54):
I am definitely on the Champagne. Maybe, let's face it,
I'll be catching up with Champagne supply Champagne Jacquard, don't
forget that. And also my wine barrels that I am
brought are so for the news and a wine make
it so it's great, it's beautiful and it's thirty three degree.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Oh stop it all right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Yeah, well, enjoy the bubbles and thanks talking to us,
and hopefully hopefully Parnal still exists when you get back
and hasn't been completely devoured by rat.

Speaker 22 (01:14:25):
I'm counting on those. It's all good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Thank you very much. That is Anne Bettley Burton. Her
suggestion has more cats to take care of this rat
infestation and parts of Auckland.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Do you agree?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Oh, eighte hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? It
is nine to three.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
EDB News Talk to B. It is six two three
and we're talking about the rat explosion in parts of Auckland.
How are you dealing with it? If you've got a
problem with rats at your place, get a greg full disclosure.

Speaker 19 (01:15:00):
This was a friend, so it wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Sure start.

Speaker 19 (01:15:06):
So my mate went into those character and day and
the asist or he called it a giant rat sitting
on the other side of the garrett so and as
wud He screamed like a fifteen year old girl and
ran back out and shut the door, keep trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Look at how to get rid of it.

Speaker 19 (01:15:18):
So he decided to open the door again and open
the actual garrish door and then just scream and yellow
it so it would run out, didn't We just sat there.
It actually turned around and was just staring at him
at the stage so cozy internal garrish door again wentz
was like, we're going to have to try and squirt
the sprat out of the garret. Couldn't use the front
and hose because that was by the garrish door, so

(01:15:39):
they ran the other hose from the back, threw the laundry,
passed the kitchen down the hallway. The trigger had actually
broken on the end of the hose, so we couldn't
turn it on at the end of the hose, so
the plane was to yellow his life. To turn the
hose off, she opened the door Julie did. Told her
that yell, yell, the hold on, so she did, and

(01:16:00):
when he did, the raptors charge straight at him. So
listen to me, screamed like a ten year old girl.
Cleaned the door. But of course that was fine. But
he's now standing in the middle of his house with
his hose going flat out.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
So he yelled at his wife and on what she
heard was turned up.

Speaker 19 (01:16:18):
So by the time he managed to go back down
the hallway past the kitching out the laundry with the
hose going flat out, made a hell of a miss
of the house. But they still don't know where the rat.
They never saw it leave, so they just they were
lying away cool night, just wondering if this threat was
going to jump on them with any times. You know,
sound a bit of a bit of a good story.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
That's a great I mean, that's rat one, your mate zero.
I mean, you know, the rats are them coming. Basically,
I'm a.

Speaker 19 (01:16:48):
Handyman, and I see the damage that the rats cause me.
I've got a bit of, you know, a bit of
admiration for a rat because they're a smart we think,
and they're the ultimate survivors, aren't they?

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
So, yeah, that's right, they are there. I mean, they're
only trying to do what they need to do to
get by exactly. But unfortunate at one point they gave
us the plague and we're still angry about it. Yeah,
and also they eat through your why and of course
all kinds of problems. So anyway, we're under siege from rats.
What are we going to do about it? I don't know.
A cat's the solution. I guess it depends on how
much you like birds, because they'll get it with the rats.

(01:17:20):
So the rules to get rid of the birds?

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah, they're pretty good killers. All right, great discussion. Thank
you to everyone who called and text us through. Coming
up after three, there's the alarm sounding on this idea
of looks maxing. That is a social media trend where
young men try to optimize their looks. So is this
something we should be worried about? More on that coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
News is next, the big stories, the legal issues, the
big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons News Talk said the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program.
It is six a pass three. This is going to
be an interesting discussion. I want to talk about looks maxing.
If you haven't heard of that before. It's a social
media trend where young men try to optimize their looks.
But a psychology and some experts are warning that it's
driving unhealthy body image pressure to be perfect and in

(01:18:13):
some cases risky behavior. So this psychologist in question is
named Simon Cooplan. He's a psychologist in Australia. He says
that this looks maxing trend can contribute to anxiety, low
self esteem and obsessive behaviors, particularly in younger men in
modern society.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
What's wrong with it? Looks maxing. So I guess when
it gets extreme, you got the dieting, which is okay, right,
you've got to go to the gym, But then there's steroids, peptides.
Then some of these guys are getting into cosmetic procedures,
really weird jaw stuff. Yeah. Bone smashing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Bone smashing was a big thing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Yeah, so how does the bone smashing work.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
The story doesn't actually go into the bone smashing, but
if you know how the bone smashing works, oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty, we're just the name of it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
There's a hammer involved, isn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Yeah, because it's something to do with the cheekbones, right, Yes,
that you take a hammer, you smash ups and parts
of the bone and then rearrange it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Aren't most young men trying to look their best? What's
wrong with it? Because you know a lot of it
seems like people are getting bigger and bigger, right in
terms of sort of size inflation, because you know, going
to the gym is you know, that sort of standard
thing used to be kind of a just for people
that were either involved in sports or sort of in

(01:19:33):
the workout community, but now most teenage and men in
their twenties would go to the gym to try and
get reasonably buff and healthy. Right, that's right, Yeah, look
good And that is about trying to attract a mate
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
And that is a big part of this look smax.
And if it's anything different, I mean most of it
for most young men is exercise, skin care, all different
types of haircuts. I mean the guys that are going
to the bone smashing situation or you know, there's an
element there of keeping your tongue at the top of
your mouth for hours and hours at a time, and
the theory is that it does something to your jawline.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Mewing. Mewing, is that what it's Yeah, mewing does it work?

Speaker 12 (01:20:10):
Me?

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
W I So you just hold that they're rung up
there for as long as you can and somehow what
it starts to reshape how your jaw is actually positioned.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Well, the theory is that humans are supposed to have
much bigger jaws than we do, but when processed food
came about, we stop chewing properly. So that's why men
nowadays have such pathetic jaws, right because and women but
because we're supposed to be chilling heavy, you know, unprocessed food. Yes,

(01:20:41):
so then and apparently that's caused a lot of snoring
and small sinus situation. So I just saw this thing
on mewing the other day and it's named after some
I no Swiss, Swiss doctor. Yeah, that's quite likely, bollocks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
We need to eat harder stuff. Oh, eight, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. So should
we be worried about this? If you are a parent
of a young man, I mean, do you worry that
they do go to the gym, they're using skin care products,
they've got different haircuts. Do you worry about what they're
seen online when it comes to looks mixing?

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
This just seems like one of those things now where
it's like we worry about everything. So if you've got
a kid that started going to the gym, or you know,
you know someone that's going to the gym in the
twenties and taking care of their appearance because they live
in a swipe economy when it comes to dating where
they have to look pretty good on a picture or
else the lady's just going to go the other way
on them. Yeah, that could be considered as a positive thing,

(01:21:36):
but we but now we're making it a negative thing
just because there's some muppets online that take it too far.
What what's this guy, clavicular clever killer? Clivical clever killer.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
I'm sure it's yeah, hold on Clevicula nine nine too,
if you know clever Cula. I think it is. I'm
just going to look at his instagram right now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
I thought it was clovicular.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
So can you hear from you on this? I mean, like,
here's a parent, mate, your your your appearance. I mean,
if your sons come to you and say, we need
some protein, we need some creative, we need a whole
bunch of these bits and pieces because we're heading it
pretty hard at the gym at the moment, does that
start to worry you as a parent?

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Well, I don't know. Don't teenage boys always sort of
walk past the mirror and sort of check out, you know,
what their guns are like. And you know, that's the
time of your life when you're trying to look good
to attract people, you know, to attract a mate, right, yeah, yeah,
So I don't really see what's wrong with it. I
mean by that, if you're taking a hammer to your face,
then that's not so good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
That's pretty full on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Yeah, but I don't think there's anything wrong and young
men caring about their appearance and being healthy, so they
look good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
What do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call if your appearance of
a young man? Have you noticed an uptick and this
looks maxing behavior and does it worry you? Nine to
nine two is the text. It's eleven past.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Three news talk'd be fourteen past three.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
So we're talking about the social media trend called looks maxine.
It has certainly taken the online world by storm. There's
plenty of influences that responsible for pushing the so called
looks maxing, but there's different types and it is what's
called hard maxing is the taking the hammer to your
jawline to try and reshape your bone.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Yeah, that's an misunderstanding of how your bones respond to stress.
So they think that by hitting them, they're going to grow,
but that's not really how it works. I mean, you're
more likely to get fractures.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
The nerve damage, a lot of pain, and a screwed
up jewel line.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Yeah, but that's kind of the problem that people are
pointing out with loox maxing as a lot of it's
pseudoscience because there's all these Instagram influencers out there that
just throw something up there to get clicks, some idea,
you know, you out mewing. Who knows if that works,
but pretty sure hitting your face with the hammer is

(01:23:57):
not a good way to go this. Sex is interesting.
You men have been making us women do this forever. Now,
a few guys do it and we are all worried.
Harden up me, okay, but have men been making women
do that?

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
I'd push back on that. I don't think it is.
I mean no doubt about it that there's women in
society that feel preciad to look a certain way. But
I don't think I think it's it's wrong to say
that that's pushed by men. I think more often than not,
this might be controversial, but I think women are more
judging on how other women look than how men look.
Men men feel about it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
What I think is interesting is whenever anyone brings up
a problem that's happening with men, a whole lot of
people say, don't talk about that because women have something
or have had a similar problem. So at some point
you are allowed to talk about male problems without without
diminishing female problems, if you know what I mean. This
is interesting because it is a new thing that seems

(01:24:56):
to be going way further than it ever was before.
Although I'd argue maybe that's just a bunch of wounders online,
But John O your thoughts.

Speaker 15 (01:25:06):
Yeah, Hey guys, look, first caller a long time offmar good. Look,
I'm a twenty year old male. Just thought i'll put.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
My two cents in on that, please.

Speaker 15 (01:25:18):
So, I mean, I'm completely for the whole looksmaxing thing
because we're encouraging young guys to go out eat whole
foods naturally boost their testos throne. Look, when you've got
guys like Clavicular he's been on testos thrown since he

(01:25:39):
was fourteen fifteen, not particularly a great message. But I
mean half the guys out there aren't amtually doing that. Yeah,
they're going out trying to look their best naturally. I
mean the dating market for young guys at the moment,
as I mean, pretty full on. Right, You've got to
look good. You've got to be making three hundred thousand

(01:26:01):
a year. You know, you're competing with all these guys
out there, right, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Tough, But what's more important?

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
What's what's more important? John three hundred.

Speaker 15 (01:26:11):
Oh, well, you'd have to ask a young lady out there.
I suppose, yeah. But I mean if you guys saw
the sixty minutes inint of You with Clovicular and the interview,
I mean he was extremely condescending.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
The interview was yeah, and I think.

Speaker 15 (01:26:30):
That's just so unfair. I think the comment about, oh,
you know, you men have been making women do this
for years is also unfair because you know a lot
of guys are actually doing it for themselves. They they
haven't felt good about themselves. They're in the gym, they're
eating good, they're doing skincare. It's not at all a
negative thing. So you know, these guys bone smashing with

(01:26:52):
a hammer, Okay, probably not great, but I mean essentially right, like,
they're actually not doing anything wrong. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Yeah. So some people are saying that the problem is
it causes body dysphoria and anxiety being that focused on
your appearance, But what you're really saying is it's people
that are actually trying to, you know, make their lives
better and if anything, it might you know, be good
for mental health and such.

Speaker 15 (01:27:18):
Well, I mean, you could you could say that it
begins from body this morn here? Can you You could
you could flip that and say, well, these guys who
supposedly feel great about themselves, oh I look aw some
time as rugged as anything. Well, they wouldn't bother, would they?

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:27:37):
Why bother? If you think you all that? But guys
that know they need to go out and improve, well
they're doing it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Well, how do you know? How do you know when
you look good?

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Because there's there's sort of a standard, right, So you
go with clavicular right, he's he's had a few surgeries, right,
and that that seems like that. No one's ever happy
when they start having surgeries because they'll always find something
else to change, right Johnny, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:28:04):
Yeah, I mean I mean there really is no no
finish line, right. I mean you look at all the
celebrities in Hollywood, and I mean the Kardashians are known
for being full of plastic, aren't they, right? You know,
so it becomes sort of this break where these guys
are getting double jaw surgery. That's and that now it's

(01:28:26):
a problem if it's not your capetie, it's not your
capite But I mean, you are going to see a
cheft and result in your life when you are looking better,
how you're treated, everything, you know. And I mean I
even saw a Herald post on not trying to be
a political nut here, but they were saying, oh Clvicular

(01:28:48):
storms out in an interview about Looks Maxing and well,
I mean all he said was don't go down that
line of questioning because it went from a Looks Maxing
topic to a political thing of Oh, this guy's pushing
a bad agenda because he hangs out with these guys
and he influences young men. And well, I think that's
painted in a pretty poor light, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah, I get the look. I get that the misunderstanding
or the agenda from some interviewers when they look at
a guy like like Klevlica. I've said that wrong. Yeah, yeah,
this influenza, I absolutely get there. But can you see
John O and this isn't you. I don't think Luks
Maxine is you know this, this has been going on
for some time. But their pressure of young fellas if
they're hitting the gym with their mates and they might

(01:29:32):
be a little bit on the smaller side, that pressure
to try and build themselves up. That might lead them
to steroids or whatever else it leads them to. That
can go down a pretty dangerous track.

Speaker 15 (01:29:46):
But when you've got guys out there, I mean, I've
been in a gym for a couple of years. You're
looking up to guys like Arnold J. Cutler, Ronnie Coleman
all the best of the time. You were always going
to have that presence of steroid gyps, right, that is
completely up to the user.

Speaker 14 (01:30:04):
So I mean.

Speaker 15 (01:30:07):
It's very touching because you couldn't make this argument about
about bodybuilding, you know, you could make it about a
whole lot of things. The make up industry, the modeling industry.
Oh well, you know it pushes body just more for
your on for young woman, which I'm sure it does,
but I think that it actually should in some light

(01:30:27):
be encouraged, not not not the steroid juice and all that.
You know, that's a whole another you know, the thing
for another day.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
Yeah, but well, it's kind of it's kind of everything
in moderation, right, And and what the media does is
they find the most insane example and then and then
construct a whole narrative and then and then try and
shame everyone that's involved in any level of it. But
you could say that trying to you know, you know,
maybe working out a lot so you're better at you know,

(01:30:55):
for your team, like playing rugby or something that's that's
that's not frowned upon. But you're still just doing the
same thing, right, You're going really really hard and trying
to change your body such that it fits something that's
desirable for you to achieve a goal.

Speaker 15 (01:31:11):
I mean yeah, like, I mean, I was always present
of you know, I want to look good, I want
to be good at running and sports. But then once
I sort of found out about you know, lux facing
and you know black belt and all that, you know,
BP all this, it's turn them too, like, well, I'm

(01:31:33):
going to actually do something about it. You're talking about
cortisol spikes, so you're trying to lower your stress because
stress and testosterone just don't work together. You're eating, you're
eating better, You're focusing on your sleep. You know, it's
not just about how many hours you're in the gym,
but it's also about what you're doing out of the gym.
Are you nourishing your mind? Are you being good to
your body and your mind? Because you know, it's easy

(01:31:55):
to be really good at about your your body health,
but what are you actually doing for your mental health?
And that is a massive part of it as well.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
You know, well, it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Seems more healthy to me in a way to go, well,
why aren't I succeeding in life? Why am I struggling?
Find a partner and instead of becoming angry and blaming
the world and then retreating into your bedroom like a
lot of people do. This idea of loxmaxing, when done sensibly,
is like, oh, the reason why I don't ever partner
is because I have room to improve. So I'll make

(01:32:24):
myself better and I'll work on various things on my
life and then I'm more desirable. That that kind of
seems like a better path, John O, than just going
in your room and getting online and firing off angry
messages about woman.

Speaker 15 (01:32:38):
May I seem to have hit the nail on the
head with that one. Actually, I think that's bang on.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Oh thanks John, Yeah, yeah, nice mate.

Speaker 15 (01:32:45):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have much.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
More to growth mindset. Well, thanks for your cool John, Yeah,
I think there's a lot in that. I had hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you agree with John O,
I've just spied a text. It's quite a controversial text.
It's from a seventy year old woman.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Oh and a seven year old wo man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Wo man yep, And she wants to talk about why
women go off men at some stage in their lives.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
What go off men?

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Yeah, all right, I'll read that out. Next to it
is twenty four past three. Controversial that is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Up Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Twenty seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
So we're talking about this looks maxing trends that is
going ballistic online. It's had some pushback. A psychologist has
come out and said that it's bad for young men.
But the question we've put to is it to you?
Is it really that bad that young men want to
look good, they want to go to the gym, they
want to be physically attractive. Is that something for us
to worry about?

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Well, this person says, Oh, my god, did you just
suggest did you just say what's wrong with bone smashing?
I saw a story on TV so sad with the
facial No, we didn't say that. No one has said
there's anything good about the bone smashing that that's not
the point. My point. I think Johno's point is is
that that they're just using the extreme of the most
crazy thing to to Poorchede on the whole movement of

(01:34:10):
people trying to make themselves look better. The six is
going to the gym is good for you physically, mentally
and spiritually and meeting people and making your friends regards lay.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
It very true.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
So that's I mean, you could say loox maxing, or
you could say putting in some effort and being part of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
The world wanting to improve yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Yeah, yeah, and you know healthy people are happier generally speaking.
But what about your text, Tyler?

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Yes, so here it is controversial, but maybe some truth
in that. Hi, guys. As a seventy year old woman,
I can tell you, young guys this, Women go off
men in an older age not because of libido, but
because men stop looking after themselves and slop around in
their check shirts grunting. You don't have to be arnold
young men looking after themselves properly will lead to a longer,

(01:34:56):
healthier relationship. That's from Sam.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Is that arnold swarsnagger?

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
I believe it is.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Yeah, right, So it's not because I'm a lack of
I never thought it was a lack of a libido
that was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
But when you let yourself go, Yeah, as they say,
then I can see that because there would be both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Right, Yeah, do you have a do you have a
you know, let's take it to a little bit older,
enfe because we talk about loux maxing, which is sort
of a teen's twenties thing. But do you have an
obligation within a long term relationship to you know, look
after yourself and keep up some kind of standard of
physical attractiveness.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
To a certain degree? I think you do.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
What do you say, though, I ade hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number ninety two? Ninety two is the text?
There are plenty of ugly men with great partners because
they are funny, kind productive. Yeah, I mean that's the thing.
I mean, no matter how looks maxed you are, if
you're a dick and you're not funny and you're.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Boring, then you know you're to work on that side
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
You're only you're only so attractive to other people. Yeah,
exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
What do you think? I adde hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call get agree good.

Speaker 6 (01:36:02):
Hey guys, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Mates? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (01:36:06):
Did I hear you? Guys?

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
You saying that people are doing bone smashing in order
to look better? Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Yeah, it's based on a misunderstanding of how bones work.
And I think they think if they bang, it's not
really smashing it, but you're just tapping it with a hammer.
And the idea is that the bones will react and
sort of grow bigger, so you've got like a more
impressive jaw line. That's the argument behind it. But it's
not based on any sensible science.

Speaker 6 (01:36:36):
Right, yeah, because it's not sensible at all. No, No,
hitting yourself or the hammer in order to look better
is just ridiculous. And hey, let me just say something, right, Yep,
if you're getting into a relationship, or if you get
into a relationship with somebody solely based on the way
you look and your physicality, you're already in a dysfunctional relationship.

(01:36:57):
So I mean, look, beauty is in the eye of
the beholder. If you're ugly to somebody, then find somebody
who thinks you're beautiful.

Speaker 16 (01:37:04):
I mean, it's that simple.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
But should you still make an ethic.

Speaker 12 (01:37:07):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
You know, if you're a young bloe, you're on the
dating seams. As JOHNO said, it's a battleground out there.
Is there anything wrong with trying to make an effort
to look as good as you can?

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:37:17):
No, but I mean, you know, let's define the effort.
If you're going to smash yourself on the faith with
the hammer, yeah, I mean that's pretty stupid. At least
we know they're not going to get brain gamage right
because they've already got it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Well, let's put that as that's too far. But here
can't But here can't you know, picking your nose, plucking
your nose, heirs, you know, buying a reasonable standard of dress,
you know, working out a little bit so you're not
too sloppy? Is all that stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
Greg?

Speaker 6 (01:37:48):
Those are all superficial things. I mean, look, look at
the world's top models. They survive on coffee, cigarettes and cocaine.
They're beautiful, But are they healthy? I mean are they?
Are they somebody you want to get involved with? I mean,
cut it out, looks, it's got nothing to do with
your physical abilities, your shape. It's all about your personality.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
So are you saying are you saying, Greg? When you
when you choose a partner in life, the attractiveness is
not important to you or somewhat important to you.

Speaker 6 (01:38:19):
Well it is, but what's attractive to me isn't necessarily
attractive to you. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem
with a bigger woman, but some people do. They only
want a skinny woman, right, I mean it's just, you know,
horses for courses. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Good on you, Greg, Sorry mate, and going to the gym?
Oh sorry, your phone just flipped off for a second.

Speaker 6 (01:38:41):
Your face up and you just going to the gym
in order to get a relationship. You're already getting involved
in a dysfunctional relationship right from the beginning. So I'm
not sure what you expect from that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
What about? What about? What about this? Greg? You know,
when I was at university, when I was going out,
I'd always clean my room just in case a young
lady would happened to be interested in me. Is that
is that? Is that right to clean your room just
so when someone comes home that they don't think you're
a complete big.

Speaker 6 (01:39:08):
Well, if you think it's all right, then it's okay.
But I mean, if somebody's going to judge you based
on what they find in your bedroom, what your duty
clothes line on the floor? Again, do you really want
to be involved in a relationship with that kind of
time to person?

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
It's a good question, Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Are they well done?

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Matt?

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
You know we've all been there. You want to you
want to repeat it if you if you get lucky enough,
so you know you've got to do everything you can.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Trying to put your best foot forward exactly. Mate, it's
just going to come home and your undies are all
over the ground and it's a terrible situation.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Yeah, what do you say though, Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty looks magazine?

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
Should we be worried about it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Or is it fine? Nineteen niney two? So text it's
twenty seven or four?

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Now back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Thank you very much, Aleen. We're talking about looks, Maxine.
It's a new social media trend of which young men
try to look as good as they can.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
The six says all females want a man who showers daily.
It's a start shaves or has a tidy mo will
be it irons his shirt and trousers and trousers, my trousers,
clean socks, undies and sorts, own socks, undies and here
neatly combed. How they speak, Good manners and courtesy go

(01:41:34):
a long way. This world needs to get away from
physical beauty, and the beauty is tops in my book.
So clean undies and socks and have a shower. But
you've got to be a good dude as well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Is that looks mixing?

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Hi guys? Are this basics? Hi, guys, I'm a fifty
year old dude. I'm in the best healthy condition I
have ever been in gym six times a week. I
feel great. I'm one point seventy seven centimeters and way
eighty kg's on the dot. I'm benching one hundred and
fifty kg's, one hundred and fifteen kg's. I'm doing this
all for myself, not anyone else. Good on your Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Yeah, nice text, Johnny. How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:42:09):
Sounds like I said, stars her unconscious?

Speaker 4 (01:42:11):
I'm all right. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:42:13):
Look, I'm about that age in my fifties. I've struggled
with respiratory condition in my life, but never struggled with
being big, tall.

Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
And strong, and I've keept my youth.

Speaker 7 (01:42:28):
I think it may have something to do with being
out of the sun for fourteen years in a place.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Called w Carrier. But generally look like my partner and
she's thirty.

Speaker 7 (01:42:38):
People don't mention any age difference, will see any age difference.
And then after a couple of years of that, my
hair went white. And so now I'm this young looking
guy who's got white here and people keep asking me,
you know, do you how did you get here to
go like that?

Speaker 4 (01:42:53):
Johnny?

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
How quickly did it happen? Johnny? It sounds like it just.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
White within three months? But I've got a baby's cabin
in three weeks, so we couldn't we do that?

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
Was it the street?

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (01:43:04):
You know, being honest, the age difference is a thing.
But look, I've I've got a little bit of a tummy.
But I'm not really worried about going to the gym
because I can. I can live my wife, I can
do my kids, I can manage my animals and keep
my lawns cut and have a shower every day and
change my socks without really having to do too much.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
But I started growing my hair.

Speaker 7 (01:43:27):
And this was the biggest problem, okay, because I said,
I've got white hair, right, and I've shaved my head
all my life, always.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
Had no hair, and bang, I've got.

Speaker 7 (01:43:37):
A little patch for there's no here in the middle
of the back, and so I've combed.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
It and overgrown it out.

Speaker 7 (01:43:42):
But it's just like now I've got to manage the
stuff all here, but all these products, and I'm here
drying everything. And I was late for a meeting the
other day because of my hair. I'm totally annoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Yeah, I'm yeah here every every day for me. I
get up and just before I leave the house, look
in the mirror and generally put a baseball cap on
because my hair is so unruly.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Yeah, it's good shortcut, wasn't it, because you still like
half decent with a cap on.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Yeah, as the baseball cap. Well, good luck out there, John, Johnny.
And what do you recommend that fourteen years inside for
the good of the skin or is it not really
worth it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Well, I could recommend a lot better things than that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
What it sounds like everything's worked out well for you anyway,
So good on your mate.

Speaker 7 (01:44:37):
Well, I haven't taken any steroids unlike a lot of
the police we see around.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
Shots. Fine, thank you, Johnny.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Young Men have always made an effort to look good.
Latest craze is just made up phrase from an influencer
that social media and media are running with. They've always
been the hard workers. There's always been the hard workers
and the weirdos. I think that's true. Yeah, I think
you know, you have someone smashing their face with a hammer,
and and then you try and extrapolate that out to

(01:45:06):
everyone that's trying to make an effort to look the
best they can.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Yeah, yeah, what do you say? Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nineteen nine
too if you want to send a text. We'll get
to Doug very shortly. Just got to play some messages.
But he thinks there's more to just looking good in
life for young men, so we'll tell you more soon.
It's nineteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
Four, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
They'd be afternoon to you. It is sixteen to four
and we're talking about the social media trend of looks. Maxine,
is there anything really different for the young guys today
when it comes to trying to look good, because part
of this looks maxing crowd is simply going to the gym,
trying to look as good as you can, having a
nice haircut, nice clothes. And we're going to separate that
out from the bone smashing because that is what's called

(01:45:55):
hard maxing, and very few online actually go to those
sort of extremes. Most of them are the soft maxing.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
I mean, yeah, there's this bone smashing in this personal grooming. Yeah,
and then there's making an effort's a huge scale. Rachel
says on the text machine, here we go, men, young men.
All we hear about is young men's problem. How about
we talk about women. Men have it easy. Always have
no sympathy for young men. The way they treat young

(01:46:22):
women disgusting. Help woman out for once. All we hear
about is young men. Thanks for your text, Rachel, What
do you say to that, Doug, welcome to the show.

Speaker 23 (01:46:30):
Thank you. I think that there's two words that you
can consider manners and consideration At any level in your life.
People will notice manners and consideration and they will want
to hook up with that first rather than worry about
a clean pair of slacks or some inemies on the side.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
So, but what about if you've got two people with
equal manners and consideration and one of them is being
going to the gym and has some flash clothes and
taking care of themselves. Do you think that would give
them advantage?

Speaker 23 (01:47:01):
Let the customer make the decision.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
But that's the point. So because you're the argument is
for these young men as they are the products. To
put it bluntly, they're putting themselves out on the market,
and it's competitive on the market. They're on these dating apps.
Now they're on the apps and you get swiped past
pretty quickly if.

Speaker 23 (01:47:22):
You're looking hard've seen those They try hard, will succeed,
Yes they will.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Yeah, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Sage advice right there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Yeah, but but you would say that this looks maxing
to an exceed descent is trying hard to succeed. So
you're putting effort in, right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Isn't it? Just deeply psychological? That's what we've always done
that when you're a young man, of course you want
to try and attract a partner, and the best way
you can do that is whatever's going.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
To work with That means go to the gym. When
you're a young man, pretty much all you want to
do is attractive partner. It takes up ninety percent of
your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Great motivation.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Aaron says, Hey, guys, good topic on looks Maxing. I
think many missed the actual societal points of we're seeing
in this trend in younger men. We have had probably
close to a decade of rhetoric that being masculine and
manly is bad or toxic, not talking of extremists that
are the common names on Yet younger men are realizing

(01:48:16):
that health is wealth and practicing more self care and
not being afraid to show up as more powerful mexcelline
figures as a way of status, and now that everything
is documented and online with social media, it's more obvious.
It's way more obvious. Everything is somewhat commotitized now with
young men, money, cars, jobs, having a strong mind and

(01:48:37):
body is becoming a focus since getting a head financially
can make many young people feel helpless with value and
self image.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Right yeah, and this one says Kay, guys, I couldn't
agree less with Rachel the text that you just read
out before. I'm a fifty year old feminist and I
genuinely believe young men are getting vilified way beyond what
is helpful, So good to push back on that text.
Keep them coming through on nine two niney two.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
It's superficial crap for both men and women. Sure, be
clean and healthy, but focus on values and character. Yeah,
nicely see it locks fade. Personality is permanent, is this text.
But I think in this sort of app based dating environment,
the opportunity to get to know someone over time so
they you know, get to know your personality, your your

(01:49:25):
sense of humor, and you can win someone over, you know,
which was probably the old way of doing things, is
not really happening as much. So people need to just
get in the conversation enough to meet the person to
then show their their personality.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Right, They've got to get the foot in the door.
You're right, because if you just swipe in on various pictures,
there's only so much you can tell about someone from
a picture. And look, the young ladies out there, see
a guy with maybe a shirt off, looking pretty buff.
I don't know if that does the job, but maybe
it does. Maybe it gets you, it gets you in
the door.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
It was easy for fuggly guys like me back in
the day.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
It's too easy.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
You just you just hung around in the background, yeah,
being reasonably nice. It was a stats game and eventually
they got you know, eventually they got used to the
way you look and they forgot about it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
So what do you say if you like Matt? Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call back? Very surely it is twelve to four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
News, talk EDB and we've been talking about looks max in,
a new social media trend of which young men try
to look as good as they can. Very few take
it to the extremes. But is there anything wrong with
young guys trying to look the best that they can
o eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call in. Nine two ninety two is the text.
A couple of texts coming through here, This one again

(01:50:51):
heading back on Rachel's text before get a Rachel, it's
females like you that have stopped young men being nice
to women. You want a quality go figure. It's sad.
And this one here yeah, get a guys, nothing wrong
with young men trying to go to the gym and
looking buff. We all did it when we were young men.
It is hard and parcel of trying to attract the mate.
As you said, just because they've given a defencing new

(01:51:13):
title doesn't mean anything has changed. Keep those coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
I encourage my son to self improve in all aspects
of life all the time, whether it's getting a haircut
and self care. However, I feel like we need to
be teaching self improvement across the board, beyond locks mentally, physically, spiritually,
and even with greater education. I believe this is what
makes a great man or woman. That's a very reasoned
and sensible text from Elliott.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
It certainly is well articulated.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
I encourage my son to self improve in all aspects
of life. I mean, isn't that the whole thing that
you're trying to You know, what's the saying in You know,
the only person you're competing with is yourself yesterday, and
so if you can be incrementally better across several factors
today compared to yesterday, then you're getting better. And that

(01:52:00):
I mean, otherwise, what's the other thing you're trying to do.
You are always trying to improve in life progress not
for fiction, and in all aspects and the way you
treat people as well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Ellis what's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 21 (01:52:11):
Yeah, Hi, I think you know, in today's day and age,
I had a couple of boyfriends early on who honestly,
they were not the lockers. They really weren't, but oh
my god, we had the best time. They had the
best humor, made me laugh. You know, we had some
really awesome times. And I think if I was picking
a boy now off the internet, I probably would not

(01:52:34):
have hit those two.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
Yeah, that's the problem, I think.

Speaker 21 (01:52:38):
Yeah, I think it's really hard. And look, I get
the I don't get the lock maxing things. But I'm
just saying is make pardon the pumble. If you want
to hit yourself in the face with a.

Speaker 22 (01:52:47):
Hammer, you knock yourself out, mate.

Speaker 21 (01:52:50):
You know, like coming it makes you feel good.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
I mean literally the day.

Speaker 21 (01:52:55):
You know that that wasn't great, But like I'm saying,
I would never had the fun that I'd had.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
With So how did you? How did you? How do
you meet these guys that weren't necessarily the best guys,
but they were a good funds.

Speaker 21 (01:53:04):
So both of them, both of them are at work,
you know, the so personalities grew and they were the
best fun, you know, and I would have missed that
opportunity had I gone.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
There's a lot of rules around meeting people at work
now as well. It's a little bit more complicated than
it was, right.

Speaker 21 (01:53:20):
Yeah, no, absolutely, But I'm just saying, you know, give
you give the ugly boys. No, they're the best fun,
best fun.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Swipe right on a fugly guy today, give him a shot, Craig,
your thoughts, I just crack it up.

Speaker 24 (01:53:38):
You swipe right on the guys.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Campaign campaign guys.

Speaker 24 (01:53:45):
You even want to doing something huge form Z and
I hope it's a movement.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
So what's your take on the on the looks mixing, Craig.

Speaker 24 (01:53:54):
Oh, look, okay, so I'm going to explain this and
you're going to hate you for it, and I'm certainly
people want to just happing over there with the bat.
But I do kind of think when you're younger, it's
all about a lot. It's like hugely important, and that's
all you think about My brother and I, who are

(01:54:16):
both blessed with good looks, because we're just you know,
just lucky jeans. Right, we worked out tens are great
for a night, but they're going to drive you insane
within a couple of days. There's just some crazy thing
about really hot woman like that just really difficult and

(01:54:37):
demanding and high maintenance. And we both decided that you
choose a six or seven, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
You know?

Speaker 24 (01:54:45):
As a wife, right, you know that's that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
You want because it's your wife listening to this.

Speaker 7 (01:54:51):
She is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
She'd be more on the high seven side, would she?

Speaker 24 (01:54:56):
Greg, mate, this is where I want to go though,
that there are seven after a period of years. I
look at my wife. We just had a catch up
with some really good friends on the weekend and awesome fun,
just so much fun. Now I look at my wife
and just think, how lucky am I?

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
There you go, Craig, Sorry, we've run out of time.
I want to hear your story, but.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
The bugger because you were going out into a doozy
of a place and I.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
Feel like, yeah, the phones are lighting up with people
that want to respond to Craig's story. But thanks for
that chat.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
Yeah, what a great chats.

Speaker 3 (01:55:31):
Loved it all right, that's seeing me the show. Thank
you so much for listening Andrew Dickinsons in for Heather
Absolutely Next, Tyler, why am I playing the song from
the twenty ten album Passive Me Aggressive You.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Naked and Famous? What a tune this is? This because
about the looks mixing. We all want to be naked
and somewhat famous.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
No, it's because there was the chat about paying people
to give blood and then at one point you said
we need more young blood and that's the name of
the song. That's why we back tomorrow live from midday
until then.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Give me a taste a Kiwii.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
All Right, you seem busy, We'll let you go.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
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