Full Show Podcast: 09 April 2026

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News Talk said, be very good afternoons. You welcome into
the show six past one. It's a Thursday afternoon. Hope
you doing pretty well with Eavy you're listening. How you doing, man, I'm.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Doing very very well, thanks Tyler. A little sunburnt actually
from this morning because it's so beautiful out there.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, it's lovely. I'll sweitt my you know what off.
But it was amazing to get that pretty much everything
that was pretty much sweating everything off. Okay, it was
pretty warm out there, but it was lovely. You got
to get that vitamin D well. Yeah, I'm sorry to
hear that you've lost something from the heat. I took
the good with the bad. As they say, hey, just
quickly before we get into the show, can I just
say yes, My life is bloody good at the moment.

(01:06):
And the reason it is bloody good is that you know,
my partner mate, she works in a school, so she's
actually got the next couple of weeks off and she's
at home and she is doing everything, all of life, edmind,
all of the home edmin. And man, how good my
life is now that she is doing absolutely everything. It's

(01:27):
a blessing. I've got two weeks of the golden life.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
So you want to stay stat home wife?

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Start home wife? Oh my god, what a blessing. So
she does the meal, she takes the dog out for
multiple walks, she's doing the cleaning, she's doing all the edmin,
the groceries, she's sorting out the bills. So I just
get home, put my feet up, and live the life.
It is so nice. I've got two weeks of that
and I am lapping it up.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Wow. So you take a bit of financial hit. She
did that all the time, though, wouldn't you. Yeah, yeah it.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I questioned that originally and said, well, maybe you should
get out and find a part time job.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
But she was putting in forty hours around the forty
hours a week around the house. That'd be pretty wouldn't it.
Ds of your lack of stress and.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Life, certainly would But yeah, I mean I don't know
if we could take that financial hit year round.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
So I said this to Tracy the other day, I said,
you could just stay at home all the time and
just run everything, yep, and you know, be my personal assistant.
And then she said, is that an option? So she
considered it. She considered it. Yeah, yeah, But ultimately she said, no,
that's she'd never do what I asked her to do.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, so that's that's the thing, Like she'd never be
able to she'd never become an employee. She would become
the boss. Yeah, even more so.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
That would make your life more stressful, maybe, yeah, yeah,
but look if you can, if you can do that
even for two weeks, and just say that, my life
is pretty good at the moment, and I'm taking as
much advantage of it as i can. Right on to
today's show, after three o'clock, we want to talk about downsizing.
Great article in the Herald at the Moment by Hannah McQueen.
So she says downsizing your home can help fun retirement,

(03:04):
but it works best if you do it earlier rather
than later. She says, move sooner or downsizing sooner can
free up more cash or giving you more flexibility to
adjust your lifestyle and investments rather than waiting to retirement.
She sees most people when they get to retirement, they've
got a figure.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
In their head.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
More often than not, it doesn't actually equate to that
they get a lot less than they think they're gonna get.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, and then and then selling your house and going
through all that rigma role when you're older, it might
be a bit harder. But I don't know what I
don't understand about this right so, right now, because it's
the break, I've got both my kids at home filling
up the rooms. That's a great time. Yeah, I'm loving
it. It feels so good to have both my sons and
there in their rooms and living that family experience. Beautiful.

(03:49):
So if I suddenly because one of my sons and
one of my sons is at school, one of them
is at UNI, if I suddenly decided to downsize now,
they're never gonna come home and stay with me, are they?
Because if be no her for them to sleep.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Good point, if you're in an apartment with one bedroom, yes,
so if you can't chuck them in the lounge, it'd
be terrible for me.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
To downsize right now. Just because your kids have moved
out doesn't mean that you don't need to have a
big house for entertaining and for whenever your kids deem
to want to come back and grace you with their presence.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, it's a great point. It's going to be a
good discussion. After three o'clock we are going to have
a chat to Anna McQueen as well.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
After two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Drug busts at New Zealand's board have shot up considerably,
with authorities catching far bigger amounts of organized crime groups
increasingly target New Zealand. So the government see as it
shows New Zealand has been hit hard with trafficers using
the Pacific as a main route. We pay far more
than other countries for Class A drugs, which makes us
very enticing, and despite more seizures, the supply is actually increasing.

(04:43):
So we want to talk to you about how easy
is it to actually get drugs. It seems the internet
gives you all you need to know. If you want
to try and find these things, if that's your prerogative,
the Internet will tell you how to do it.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
It's not that hard as this superverbial fingers in the
dam or dikes for want of a better word, situation,
because it's coming in every single you know, just listening
how you coming through small packages, parcels. It's coming through
container freight, it's coming through couriers and traffic through airports,
it's coming through unaccompanied baggage every way which they can

(05:18):
circulate it. The drug cartels have got so much information
now and such easy communication through various you know, dark
web operations. Whilst they're you know, six point five million
tons are sees at the New Zealand borders. There's still

(05:39):
so much like cocaine, particularly in the wastewater. Yes, so
they're seizing a lot, but a lot more is coming through.
So it's just a full court press drugs coming at
this country from every single angle, and the drugs are
becoming technology is such that the drugs are much cheaper
to manufacture. So is this a battle that we can win?

(06:03):
You know, yeah, it's a.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Good question, and looking forward to your thoughts on that
after two o'clock is the battle loss and regards to
drugs coming into the country. But right now, let's have
a chat about motorbikers in New Zealand. They are protesting
proposed acc levy increases by putting their registrations on hold
to cut funding and push for changes. So writers say
the hikes are unfair based on flawed measures like engine size,

(06:24):
and could make riding unaffordable. ACC meanwhile, argues the increases
are necessary because motorcyclists account for a higher share of
injury claims and costs compared to other road users. So
just briefly, the increases will be bikes over seven hundred
and fifty cc six hundred and twenty four bucks a year,
those between two hundred and fifty and seven hundred and

(06:45):
fifty cc four fifty, which is a sizeable chunk of
change when you compare that to car users.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Why are you suddenly that much more dangerous just because
you've got a higher cc, just because you've got a
bigger engine. Yeah, I mean, isn't it more to do
with the driver? I mean you can be an absolute
dickhead with a one two five cc dirt bike.

Speaker 7 (07:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
We've seeing a lot of those. Are a lot of
those stickheads out and about what they do bike.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
As opposed to some guy in his sixties on riding
around on a Harley. So that doesn't that doesn't seem
to be a very fair measure. I mean lot to
be honest, as I said before, it's not my field
of expertise. But for me just running my head over it,
higher CC doesn't seem to be a definite measure of risk.

(07:33):
And this is what they're talking about, right because the
a SEC aren't providing the data.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's it, that's what they're calling for. They're calling for
the data and ACC hasn't come to the table with
that data to prove that a bigger engine means more
risk to injury. So we're going to have a chat
to Richard Toho. He's the spokesperson for the Motorcycle Advocacy Group.
But we want to hear from you. If you do
ride a bike, how do you feel about these increases
in the levees you pay? Do you think it is

(07:58):
more dangerous to ride a motorbike with a bigger engine
than a smaller engine? And do you think that a
lot of these eccidents are actually caused by car users
through no fault of your own. You're just the ones
that get injured and ACC has to cough out for
your recovery. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? Nine two ninety two is the text.
It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 2 (08:17):

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 7 (08:25):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Very good. Afternoon, July seventeen past one, So motorcyclists across
New Zealand are taking a stand against proposed increases to
acc levies by putting their registrations on holden. Protests Rights
say the plant hikes are unfair portly targeted and could
make riding unaffordable. To unpack what this protest means, we're
now joined by a motorcycle advocacy spokesman, Richard Tahu.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Get a, Richard here, you going good, Thanks for being here.
Let's take it right back to the bidding the beginning.
Why is the Rejo boycott happening? Why are so many
motorcyclists putting their rigios on hold Richard?

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Well, the price is just like you say, it's unaffordable.

Speaker 8 (09:04):
It's being quite expensive for many years, and it's going
up like sixty eight percent. So the government has planned,
They've told us, so we know what's coming. It's gone
up to almost six hundred dollars this year on the
first of desire. It's going up again to about seven
hundred dollars the following year. We're looking at just under

(09:26):
nine hundred dollars annually for large motorcycles who register them.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
So that's a lot of money. So we've said enough
is enough.

Speaker 8 (09:37):
We don't actually believe that the bigger the engine makes
them more dangerous the studies that we've read, and in
fact the data provided by ACC doesn't show that, So
how can you justify that? So we're just asking them
to say, hey, look, show us the data. What you've
already shown us doesn't prove that. We want what else
have you got? So that's pretty much where we're at.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
So why don't you think they'll share that data? Do
you think they don't have it or it doesn't say
what they needed to say to increase the levees Both.

Speaker 8 (10:13):
I believe it's yeah, it doesn't show that and or
they just don't have it, or they haven't done the
studies they've So they have provided us with some data
in an Official Information Act request which didn't show right,
largely engins cause more risk or our higher risk. It
just didn't prove that, and so we went back to

(10:34):
them and said, hey, no, that's that doesn't prove that.
You must have something else, but they they don't, or
we don't know, so they're just not responding.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Now, So did the data that you've seen, that that
you got say that the risk was even across all
CC ranges? Is that what it came back with.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Or basically said it was arbitrary?

Speaker 8 (10:56):
Right, So it doesn't prove that higher CC is there
is sorry you go, well, and most people know that
because yeah, quite a lot of us ride large like
shiny cruiser bikes with really big engines, but there are

(11:17):
thousands of small supersport motorcycles with much smaller engines which
go twice as fast.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Now, surely that higher risk, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
So what is their logic there then? So their assumption
is that higher CC you're going faster, bigger, bigger risk, more,
more of a mess if you if you crash. Is
that is that there?

Speaker 7 (11:40):
There?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Their assumption?

Speaker 8 (11:43):
Look, I think what it comes down to is that
CC was just easy. It's it's a blunt property, you know,
for pricing, it's just easy. So administratively, hey, let's just
do it like this, bigger the engine, pay more money.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Well, you know, we don't mind paying our levees.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
Now we understand that, yes, there's higher risk with motorcycling.
So Okay, it's fair. We'll pay a bit more, but
not six eight percent more on an increase on what
was already. We're paying over double what cars are paying,
and they're going to We're looking at three hundred dollars
increase in a couple of years time added to what

(12:23):
it is now.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
So what's six hundred almost six hundred bucks in July?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
So what would that increase?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, fair enough to Rachel? What would that increase look
like for you? Are you saying that it should be
a universal you know, a slide increase, not to the
level that you're seeing here, but a slide increase, but
the same level for every rider, whether it's a scooter
or a superbike, you should all pay the same levy.

Speaker 8 (12:45):
Look, there's there's other models out there that have been
bandied around, and we haven't locked anything in yet, but
we just want to first explore the data that they've
provided and just you know, check that out first, and
then let's have a look at some of the other models. Now,
they might not be easy to administer, but they at

(13:06):
least need to address the situation.

Speaker 9 (13:09):
Now.

Speaker 8 (13:09):
It's like, if you are going to say CEC makes
it more dangerous, then show us that data, and then
let's look at looking at other models, you know, so
that other models could be writer based models based on
experience and behaviors, or causation based approaches, or exposure based pricing,

(13:30):
which is probably you know, the most popular one out there.
So how much actual road use then? Yet, you know,
how much time are they spending on the road exposed
to hazards?

Speaker 5 (13:41):
You know, But there's lots of things.

Speaker 8 (13:42):
Like I said, we haven't we haven't locked anything, and
yet we're putting it out to the membership to chuck
all the ideas in the hat, and then we'll put
it to our advisory board to sort of come up
with something and then put it out to the membership.
But ACC doesn't even want to talk to us, so
that hell want to have none of that, because I'm
pretty sure that this did set in their ways.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
So you're not you're not denying the claim that motorbikes
out for four percent of vehicles but account for twenty
five percent of road injuries.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
So you know, we're not denying. No, No, we're not.

Speaker 8 (14:17):
Yeah, people get hurt on motorcycles and a lot of
the injuries are quite serious, all right, So we're not
refusing to pay. We're just challenging the floward pricing that
all this is about. If the data behind those levees
is solid, show it to us.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
If it's not, fix it.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
So if you if you're if you're you know, putting
your regio on hold, if you get pulled over with
no rego, what kind of fine are you getting?

Speaker 8 (14:43):
See looking at about a two hundred dollar fine? Right,
some demerit points. Now, we're not containing people to ride
their bikes while they're on hold, right, that's illegal.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
But you know what, people have been doing that for years.

Speaker 8 (14:57):
And I don't doubt that more people are going to
start doing it because when you weigh there, hang on
six hundred dollars rego, two hundred dollar fine and some demerits,
I think, just take the risk all right Now, like
I said, we're not in condoning that, but we can't
we can't decide for what every individual is going to do,
right And like I said, they're already doing it. They've
been doing it, thousands have been doing it for years,

(15:20):
and so this is just going to get worse. We
need to fix the system so that so that it's
a logical amount that more people say Hey, you know what,
that's okay that I'll pay that, you know, more compliant.
But no, they're going to keep pricing people into doing
the legal stuff or just can't afford it, and off
the road is maybe that's their objective, the old body
dirty agenda, Just get motorcycles off the road and save

(15:42):
the planet.

Speaker 10 (15:44):
I don't know what you're thinking.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah so, but I mean it's not great for your
and your assurance payout if you do, if you're unfortunate
and you do do crash and you've got your rigional.

Speaker 8 (15:54):
We're not we're not encouraging that. So commuters, you know,
keep your bike on reaging.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
You guys got to go to work. That's your only
motor transport.

Speaker 8 (16:01):
But there's lots of other others out there, weekend warriors,
you know, or they've got several the collectors. I've got
several machines. So we're just going to put as many vehicles,
not just motorcycles or our vehicles on hold if we're
not using them.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
So that's going to have an impact on the income.
It's got it. It's a long game.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, yeah, because how many how many members how many
members of your group have you got and have you
got any ideas how many how many have put it
put their regis on.

Speaker 8 (16:28):
Hold, So we can't measure that how many people have
put it on hold. But we've got nine thousand members now.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
I think in like three the last three weeks or.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
So, we've jumped from about five thousand members to nine
thousand members. It's growing rapidly. We probably have ten thousand
members by the end of next week because there's a
lot of engagement, but there's people are motivated.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
But this is like it's like we feel like we're
getting ripped off.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
You know, there's another logic. There's another logic flow in
this whole thing. Rich had the speed limits, the stame
no matter what the CCC, So what the cc is,
whatever the cc is, say, it's still one hundred so
or where you are. So so you know those are
those are the laws. If someone breaks the laws, then

(17:20):
you know they could get fine speeding ticket. Right, So
what if your ce C is then the doesn't change
the speed limit?

Speaker 8 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's what there's other controls to change that behavior.
And they're ramping that up as well, you know, with
the safety cameras and all that sort of stuff. So
they're not I mean they've confirmed that one hundred million
dollar contract with acy Census, the AI camera surveillance company
that now own you know, with n Z n t A,

(17:50):
so all those cameras, that's what they do.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
Yeah, at the moment, they can't bring people.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
For not having a registered vehicle on the road. But
that's just a matter of flicking a switch. So as
soon as the government says, hey, you know what, we're
really to turn that, turn that on now and pay.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
It just more money, they will do it.

Speaker 8 (18:09):
Yeah, you know, so that's what we're facing in the
future as well. Like we don't mind like cell phones
and seat belts. Cool, that's good, that's unsafe, that's what
kills us.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
Yeah, you know, we're all for that. Yeah, but you know,
let's let's keep a handle on it.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, Richard, thank you very much for having a chat
with us.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Very interesting.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
The phones have lit up, so this is going to
be a great hour of discussion, just very very quickly.
What do you guys like to be called? Is a motorcyclist,
is it riders? Is at motorbikers? Is at bikers?

Speaker 8 (18:37):
A bikers, motorcyclists, motorcycle enthusiast?

Speaker 11 (18:40):
What whatever we get.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Called we called, we get called lovesome things.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, be hey, Richard, thank you very much having a
chat with us. Mate, Go well and and we'll touch
base and see how you go with that data.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Oh, thanks for your time.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
That is Richard Taor who he is a spokesperson for
the Motorcycle Advocacy Group in New Zealand. We're taking your
calls on that. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number of nineteen nine two is the text
twenty seven bus one.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
I feel them. We're we're a radio host, but we
get called a lot of things as well, said.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic Hosking breakfast, Tash.

Speaker 12 (19:14):
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Inflation and the dune courter looks to be peaking at
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Speaker 13 (19:29):
I still think the world looks different, Jim.

Speaker 14 (19:31):
And this is a severe supply disruption.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's not just oil.

Speaker 12 (19:35):
The inflation spike that you see coming. If once again
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Speaker 2 (19:40):
That we will see some effects staying on for a while,
But I do think we can.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
See a nice spike and an inflation falling again.

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Speaker 3 (19:53):
Half pass once we're talking about motorcyclist protesting these increases
to the acc levies. If you are a motorcyclist, can
you hear you're from you? One hundred and eighteen eighty
or nineteen nine two is a text.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
I says, I says, I says to Richard just before that,
if you don't have your REJO, that's going to effect
your insurance. This takes it says Rego doesn't affect insurance,
only one in a fitness does. I'm pretty sure rigo
does infect. Ridge doesn't infect affect your insurance. It does yep.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
This is according to Cannstar, which compares insurances up and
down the board. So here it is in black and white.
If your vehicle's on un road worthy jeepers or overloaded
or not up to government standard, no cover, simple, no
waff or regio equals no cover, so most of them
have them in the tas ah.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Hi, guys, I'm a motorcyclist and think the registration is
getting out of hand. But a lot of big CC
bikes are heavy and don't handle that great. You'll see
a lot of guys riding those bikes wearing T shirts,
shorts and sand shows these guys can't ride and bump
up the cost with their crashes, cheers Tim from Botoni. Yeah,
but what Richard is saying, what's the name of his
organization against?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
So the motorcycle Advocacy group.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
The Motorcycle ever Group. I can't speak today. I got
up at four thirtieth this morning to take Tracy to
the airport. Good word. So I'm basically asleep right now.
It's early conceived groups saying that the data doesn't reflect that. Yes,
that the data doesn't show that higher CC bikes are
costing more in terms of injury the SEC. That's why

(21:18):
they're asking show us the data.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Which seems fair. You want to see the data.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Show us the data. Yeah, my bike JO has been
on hold for four years and most of them mates
to definitely a rip off. So we're just not.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Registering Okay, keep those texts coming through on nine to two,
nine two, and we're going to get to some of
your calls. Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if this is effecting you.
We're keen to hear your story.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
There was a text that I was reading out there.
It's not me. I don't have a bike.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah, you made that pretty clear. It is twenty
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Speaker 3 (23:09):
Thank you very much, Jerdy. So my motorcyclist are putting
their bike registrations on holding protest and what they say
are unfair acc levees. Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty
c number, call get a rob today.

Speaker 16 (23:20):
Hey guys, good mate, it's a story. I'm a motorbike
rider of sixty years, would you believe? And I currently
ride a large Harley Beautiful. We've been through this all before,
and I can't tell you when, but historically i'd say
might have been fifteen years ago. And they put the

(23:41):
fees up to eight hundred and seventy four dollars, and
everybody just stop registering their bikes, including me. I went
four years without a Red Joe and I finally got
a ticket that cost me one hundred and eighty dollars,
And the cop actually said to me at the time,
that's a fairly good savings. And ACC's data is totally

(24:05):
wrong because they did all the starta as I said
at the time, they did that years ago. First of all,
larger bikes have less accidents, and small bikes they're less maneuverable.
You don't white line and do all of the funny
things that some bikers do on smaller bikes. Power to
weight ratio means that bigger bikes aren't faster, and it's

(24:30):
just an absolute load of nonsense. The other thing that's
interesting is that they say motorbikes make up four percent
of the vehicle whatever, but twenty five percent of the accidents.
But they haven't turned round and said what about accident fault?
And it's a very well known fact that a lot
of bike accidents are not right err they're actually driver

(24:51):
era and bikeers get hit. Unfortunately, if you do get hit,
you do get hurt, and that's a fact of life.
And then, last but not least, other countries around the
world promote motorcycle riding because it's a great means of
getting a lot of people to and from places very efficiently.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
And you're sixty years of riding bikes, Rob, congratulations on that.
That's impressive. How many accidents have you had? How many
times have you been injured in that?

Speaker 16 (25:20):
Probably two, I think, yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
And how seriously?

Speaker 16 (25:24):
So one was my fault when I was a young fella,
wet road too fast. And then the second one I
had was about twenty years ago and a guy came
out of a side street and I had him.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
And how badly were you injured on those?

Speaker 16 (25:43):
I wasn't. When I say I wasn't bad the injured
I certainly was very sore and had a broken collar bone,
but it wasn't. And unfortunately, you know, there are a
lot of bad accidents on bikes. I mean, there's no
protection on a bike. As somebody hits you, you're going
to get hurt, you know. But as I said, of

(26:04):
the twenty five percent accidents that are involving bikes, it's
not twenty five percent, right era. So what we're saying,
as you're going to penalize bike riders because they're expensive
to look after, but it's not their fault.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah, and so the CC just to continue down because
this is kind of the discussions around CC and higher
CC being charged more so the accident that was your
fault when you were a young fella, Rob, that would imagine,
I'm just kissing it. That'd probably been on a lower
CC bike.

Speaker 16 (26:34):
It was on a moped going to school.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rob, you make some good points. Thank
you very much.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Sixty years and he's riding a hog at the moment.
What a good man. Let's go to Dan. Get a Dan. Yeah,
let me hey, mates.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
What do you reckon? Welcome to the shape your thoughts?

Speaker 7 (26:55):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (26:55):
Thanks?

Speaker 13 (26:55):
Thanks guys. Hey, I live up north and I get
past daily by a whole bunch of guys who are
basically almost wearing just jandles and shorts, shorts and basically
a rear or a blue hoodie and no no equipment whatsoever.
So I think the CC rating via is kind of correct.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Well, hang on it. But these guys on high CC
bikes or those CC.

Speaker 13 (27:19):
Bikes, big Harley, you know the vehicles all right?

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Okay, yeah, I see, are.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
They wearing helmets.

Speaker 13 (27:27):
Yeah, but that would be the only thing that's going
to stop them having an injury.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I'd say, so, I mean, what do you do do
you do you legislate and say you have to have
protective leathers or whatever else your motorcyclist where to try
and avoid injury.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
I mean to me that it's not a crazy idea.
You make car drivers wear seat belts, so maybe you say,
if you want.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
To ride a bike, you've gotta get some leathers.

Speaker 11 (27:51):
You know.

Speaker 13 (27:51):
It's another crazy rule is you know the can answer
the triple triple wheel things. Yep, you don't actually legally
because they're registered in the car, you don't actually have
to wear a helmet when you ride those.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Now, whenever I see someone riding one of those, I
always want to talk to them and go, why did
you particularly choose that vehicle? Seems like a very interesting
vehicle to juice to look at me vehicles?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Really? Is that what Billy Connolly was riding when he
did the tour of New Zealand?

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Potentially?

Speaker 7 (28:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
The problem is, isn't it, though, Dan, that you have
It's a lot of I mean, it's individuals isn't it.
So you have you have someone with the same CC
bike who's an absolute dickhead, and because he's an absolute dickhead,
then the person that's sensible is paying a higher levy.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
It's the dickhead.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
The factor is the problem across all whole legislation in
this country on this, on.

Speaker 13 (28:44):
This boycott with the REGOs, I honestly don't think it's
going to have any effect because I used to ride
and all of us we used to all put our
REGOs on hold for winter, I mean just in the spring, light.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
Them up again.

Speaker 13 (28:55):
So I feel like you're going to do it, they
need to do it over summer because most riders I
know put their bikes on hold and put them in
the garage of the summer the year.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, and so are you talking about essentially gang members?
You talk about the guys that are pasted you and
if they are gang members, and so if the gang
members and they spent a lot of money on their
fancy little jacket with the patch on it, and they
don't have and they're not allowed to wear that, so
they're just wearing a hoodie. Is that what's going on?

Speaker 13 (29:23):
Basically, they've got they've got clothing with either they're either
wearing red shoes or blue shoes and you know you
sort of thought or yellow or whatever the color they
decide they're part of. But yeah, they're still there's still
identifiable to a to a degree.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, that's an unexpected consequence of the of the gang
patch band.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
And when they pass you down to your roll your
window down and yell abuse at them, try and start
a scrap.

Speaker 13 (29:45):
No, I I purposely make it harder for them to pass, right,
I'm one of those people.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Jeez, you're roll on the dice on that, Dan, Thank
you too much.

Speaker 11 (29:53):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Guys, all right, you have a good afternoon.

Speaker 13 (29:55):
No.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you're a motorcyclist. What do you reckon about
these acc levies? Are you one of those putting your
Ridgio on hold?

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Is a bit of a protest, As Jim says, if
ten thousand bikers don't pay seven hundred dollars each, that's
seven million. Do NZTA should take note of that? Good
luck to them. Sounds like they are getting ripped off.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, keep those teach coming through a nine to two
nine two. It is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams
Afternoons have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
US talks.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
B fourteen to two. This text is is ACC doesn't
determine fault like insurance companies do. Is a SEC treats
injuries injuries cost the country. When a motorcyclist has an accident,
regardless of fault, they are more likely to receive injuries,
mostly more severe than injuries a car driver or a
car occupant would. Therefore, motorcycles cost taxpayers more in treatment,
so they should pay more. Libbyes. Yeah, No, one's denying that,
Not even the Motial motorcycle advocacy group is denying that. Yeah,

(30:49):
they're just saying that there's no data to say that
higher CC bikes more dangerous, have a higher risk of
injury than lower ccc bikes, And they're just asking ACC
for the data. And yet ACC's charging considerably more for
high CC bikes or higher CC bikes.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
So if you to do that, show the data, and
the data that they've seen so far doesn't play out
that these higher SEC bikes are more dangerous exactly.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
And that's the crux of it.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
And another issue is, you know, people might want to
own a couple of bikes, maybe it should be registered
as a rider. You're regested as a rider, but then
when they go well, you know, Rob who rang up
before is probably not much of a risk on the
road and is Harley after many decades of riding compared
to you know, an eighteen year old on a one

(31:37):
two five cc wounder.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Good rider discount. Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty
to number to call get a mic.

Speaker 6 (31:45):
Yes, Hello, I'd like to comment on Richard's and the
previous callers comments in regard to the accidents percentage of
twenty five percent. One of the things in an incident
is that the officer records who's it fault. So I

(32:08):
number of years ago I was involved with a group
called Bronze Bikers Rights Organization New Zealand. When we had
a look at the figures the breakdown, we were finding
that the officer was recording bike versus car. When you
drilled down actually on the report, you could find out

(32:31):
that in a number of situations the bike was in
the right the car didn't see them. Bang. Now, yes,
we as motorcyclists are a higher percentage, and Richard's direct.
We're not denying that. It's just that the percentage that

(32:53):
the acc are putting on the bikes outweighs that kind
of percentage you know, costs to the motorcyclist.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
So they're thinking about purely. The a SEC is thinking
about this purely in terms of how much it to
fix up the rider, you know, with the people involved
in an accident. So they're saying that the motorcyclists costs
more to fix up, so then we'll charge the motorcyclists more.
And yet they're not taking into account that it's the
person that's encased in the car is protected quite often

(33:28):
is the causer of as the result. Like so the
only figure that we've got here is acc said police
start to shows thirty seven percent of injury claims we're
from single vehicle crashes, So thirty seven percent of motorcycle
crashes that involve acc just you know, use the error
on the bike. We don't have the percentage with us

(33:49):
here on when it's two vehicles whose fault it was,
whether it was the fault of the of the driver
or the rider.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
But yeah, exactly, but again we're prepared to pay the
extra cost. But it is every year on year on
year we're paying more and more and more. The other
thing is is that we can quickly ascertain the risk

(34:19):
factor if they are wanting to talk about bigger bikes
and smaller bikes versus you know, the risk factor. Now,
all bikes are brought in, well, they used to be
all brought in with a break horsepower rating. So my
thousand cc V twin motor produces less brake horse power

(34:49):
than a four hundred Kawasaki Ninja racing bike, you know,
a sports bike. So if they use that figure the
brake horsepower rating, are to be able to give a
more even spread on respector why don't they? Why don't

(35:13):
they because that that figure comes in with all imported motorcycles.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah, it's in sifting point.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Mike, yep, thank you very much for giving us a call.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
I mean, as Richard said before, as well, you know,
it's time spent on the road. Yeah, you know, if
you're if you're on the road a lot, commuting every day,
for example, then on a low CCC bike, low c
C bike, and someone's just got like a you know,
weekend Warrior, a big, a big, big, big old bike
in the garret. They just take out every now and

(35:42):
then once a month or something. Yeah, then that that
that questions the how fear the charges are, doesn't it's
a lot of logic to that.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
What do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Matd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad. Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Six minutes to two. Even You've got seven bikes, so
these ac see livy increases is going to hit you
pretty hard.

Speaker 10 (36:11):
Yeah, they do. And yeah, unfortunately you're correct. You just
can't afford to pay them or you know, it's just
mad to I normally keep one fully registered and the
other on and off hold. But it's it's not really practical.
A lot of time I'm riding bikes on on hold.
But what you touched on it earlier, they should register
the rider. I'm quite happy to pay my share in
acc but I can only ride one motorcycle at the time.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yes, that's a good point.

Speaker 11 (36:35):
I've never you know, I've.

Speaker 10 (36:36):
Never an accident. I've done roads safety courses, or we're
the right year and then you see o them up
as we don't see that ship and it seems that
where we're paying the penalty for them who probably don't
register them at all or you don't do anything right.
So yeahs basically it.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
War a fitness for the bikes, regio for the for
the for the rider. It makes logical scene. What do
you think about time on the road as well?

Speaker 10 (37:03):
So you know, pretty hard to police that, you know,
and hard to tell unleast you start bringing roads user
charges do that. But yeah, just and maybe good riders discounts.
You haven't had any major fines or you know, accident
discount you know, I've been riding a long time, never
had an agency claim for motorcycling. But yeah, I mean

(37:26):
only that's sort of there's other sports like I know,
people who hunt horses and they've always got choppers coming
in to rescue them. Or you know, just take this
tripe of rugby injuries and netble injuries. No one pays
anything towards that, and it can do the general agency
they get us because they.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Can you know, yeah, thanks for cool. I mean there
is in your in your fees is a bit of
extra paid by a rugby union for rugby. But yeah,
get your point mate. Look, no one is denying the
motorcyclists costs more to fix up when they get injured.
And look, the Motorcycle Advocacy Group has no problem with
paying more than drivers. But it has to be fair
and logical when the a SEC charges on CC with

(38:04):
CC when that doesn't quite fit the data, or they
won't even show the data, so the data you see
it doesn't fit and they won't show any other data.
Then that's no way for a government organization to behave,
is it. You've got to use data to make decisions,
not just convenience and vibes.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, nicely said, And what a great discussion. So those
changes come in place in July. But it seems like
that protest is heating up, so we'll see where that
one goes. Thank you very much to everyone who called
and text.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
On that discussion.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
But coming up after two o'clock, how easy is it
to get drugs in New Zealand? Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number? Nine two nine two? Is
the teach newsport of weather on its way? Great to
have your company of this Sursday afternoon you're listening to
Matt and Tyler will be back very shortly.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trend and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News
Talk said.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Very good Afternoons, you welcome back into the show. It
is six past too great to have your company.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
I'm fading fast, people, I'm fading fast on the show.
To get up at four o'clock this morning to take
my partner Tracy to the airport.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Very early, doors, mate, and you had to race to
get there.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
And is that an obligation within a relationship that if
your partner's going overseas, you've got to take them to
their port. Because I felt I see it. I said, yeah, yeah,
I say as I say as I says, oh yeah,
well I'll do it. But then this morning I was like,
I woke up with the alarm and I said, get
an uber and they didn't go down well nice. I
had to get up and take her. And now I've
been up for a very very long time. And the
problem is by the time she gets back from overseas,

(39:52):
you've forgotten about this. So I don't even get any
browny points for it.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Will exactly I think with the uber thing, you've got
to float there at least a week in advance because
you know you're going to get hassled for it, and
you need that time to smooth the waters until they
realize it's not actually a bad idea because it's going
to come and return right where you need to get
up early, and needs to run you to the airport
at four thirty am, and you say, hey, remember that.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Never I'd never ask you just take an uber. I'd
just get myself to their port. I'd never ask. Well,
you're the better man in that relationship. Once you've been asked,
you have to do it. Yeah, so some asking can
be an aggressive move. I just would never ask. I
think there's a cutoff because because once you ask, if
I say no, then I'm the bad guy, right.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I think there's a cutoff. I think if it's if
it's before five am in the morning, get an uber,
And if it's later than ten pm, get an uber.
Get your thoughts though. Nine two nine to two. And
just before we get into this next topic topic about drugs.
A big story that's gone viral over the past twenty
four hours and there's been a question that's floated around
for some decades, and that question is are tennis players

(40:51):
the biggest winers ever when it comes to sport. I
think many people would lean on the side of yes
on that question, and I think what happened in this
incident would probably have even more people going across to
the yes, they are the biggest winers in sport. This
is after the mid for thev had a complete and
utter meltdown at the Monte Carlo Masters. Here's a little

(41:14):
bit of that audio.

Speaker 7 (41:15):
Well, this is.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Becoming a real headache now for mempdeta.

Speaker 8 (41:18):
Goodness me, the racket throat again, still.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
With real vetter a.

Speaker 15 (41:27):
Again and again.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
It happ becoming everybody.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
How long can you how long can you keep a
tenty going? He keep it going for some time? Can
crowd to get in into it? Still going? That's a
long tenting. It's a long tenting. How can you stay
angry for that long? I think that's unusable. It's unusable.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
So seven times seven times, and like some could argue,
what are you You're weakling? Just smash it on the
first go, because he had to go seven times before
he completely broke that racket. But in terms of a
tanty cheapess.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Yeah, I mean going Is it okay to go back
into the changing rooms and smash up the changing rooms?
Probably not, but doing the tant that for that long
in front of so many people, just the lack of
shame and that you're sure that your current problems are
so important that you need to just smash your It

(42:36):
feels like two minutes of hard we're getting through that racket.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, it's got to wear you out.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
I mean he did. He was a tidy Kiwi. Not
that he's a Kiwi, he was a tidy Russian and
he put the racket in the rubbish bin when he finished. Yep.
But I'd say his reputation is in the rubbish as
well as a total knob.

Speaker 7 (42:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I mean they called it the double bagel. It was
a massive humiliating defeat six zero, six zero in forty
nine minutes. But I think you've asked it before and
you've said it before, and I'm definitely in the camp
tennis players just do better.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Get to grip.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
You know, you're just there to entertain the crowd. You're
not that spiritual.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
They're very strange people because at press conferences and such,
they talk about themselves or if you're in a team
sports team, then you'll talk about the team, you know.
But tennis players are very focused on the souves. There's
a lot of practice as a whole team around them,
but the team is supporting them. There's superstars. There's something
about being a tennis superstar. You just end up being

(43:30):
a pressy, self involved winge tanti thrower.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yeap nicely said.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
All right, let's get into this topic. Drug bus at
New Zealand's border have shot up considerably, with authorities catching
far bigger amounts of organized crime groups increasingly target this country.
The government says it shows New Zealand has been hit
hard clearly with traffickers using the Pacific as a main route.
And we also pay far more for class A drugs
than many Western counterparts, which makes us a very very

(44:02):
enticing market. And despite more siege siege is happening at
the border, the supply is increasing rapidly. So how easy
is it to get drugs in this country? I mean,
when you think about the access that you've got to information,
illicit information, the Internet will provide all and it's not
that difficult to try and find out how to acquire

(44:23):
various things via the Internet. You don't have to be
a hacker or some sort of supernered to do that.
So what do we do in this situation to combat
this absolute bombardment.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Well, if you've got six point five tons of drugs
seized by customs and twenty twenty four as opposed to
one point five tons in twenty eighteen, and yet use
of skyrocking rocketing, so wastewater tells us that use of skyrocketing,
particularly of cocaine. So if you're catching this much but
still so much is going through that, it's not like

(44:54):
that six point five tons stopped the usage and the
price has been lowering apparently. So you know, it's a
very complicated problem, isn't it. Because technology means Class A
drugs like cocaine are much easier and cheapier, deeper to
be manufactured by the cartels overseas, and way easier to
distribute through the you know, the lights of the dark web,

(45:16):
as you said, Toller, and you know they can get
more information about what's working and just absolutely flood the
New Zealand market as you say. Also, we're a premium
platinum markets. We pay more than anyone else. That's where
they're so focused on Australia and New Zealand. We'll pay
a premium for it. And there's numerous different ways to
get the drugs in what's this quote here? There isn't

(45:39):
one part of the border we need to strengthen. It's
coming through small packages and parcels, it's coming through container freight,
it's coming through corriers that traffic, it through airports, it's
coming through unacompaned baggage. Every way which way they can
circulate it. So it's just it's seems like, is it
a problem that's that's a quote from Customs Minister Casey Costello.

(46:00):
Is it a problem that we just can't solve? Is
it just too complicated now? Is it just whack a
mole situation now? And if you've got you get six
point five million times and it doesn't change the usage,
then do we need another another way of dealing with it?
If you know what's the solution?

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Because there's a balance there, right. She says that there's
only so much funding that they can get into those
drug agencies and she's not expecting much more in the
budget because times are tough. So that's the balance, right,
I mean, how much money do you chuck at trying
to secure all these various holes in the border, and
there is many of them, and they'll keep finding more
before you almost put your hands up and say, we're

(46:39):
not going to win this one. And that's a hell
of a line by Casey Costello that we're not winning
this war. But I wouldn't say we're losing somewhere in
the middle.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
And you know, that's just what you know. And I
guess wastewater tells you gives you information because you know
that there's the thing about the stuff you don't cat
don't find, you don't know a lot about it. Yeah,
organized crime generates about one point six billion per year
from drugs in New Zealand. So it's a huge, huge market,
isn't it. Absolutely it is one point six billion in

(47:12):
terms of all the businesses that happen. So it's readably
readily available, it seems these class A jokes. So yeah,
how easy is it to get it? And what are
we doing here? Is this just impossible? Does technology now mean,
with the Internet and with the manufacturing and with the
multiple ways they can get through our borders, is they
just do we just throw hands up in the air

(47:34):
and go well, let's just just look at another way
to deal with the situation.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah, tell us what you think. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two ninety
two is the text backty shortly? It is quarter past two.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks they'd be.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
It is eighteen past two. So how easy is it
to obtain drugs in this country? And considering how we're
bombarded at the border by cartels and other drug manufacturers,
do we have to accept the battle might be lost?

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty. The sixty is high
z it b. We normally do coke a few times
a year on special occasions. It's very easy to get
We get it through a Facebook page, pay the money
into a PayPal account and New Zealand Post delivers two
days later by career.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
That is very easy, cheap. Thank you very much for
that text.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yeah, So, I mean, you know you're spending a lot
of money trying to fight this whole thing, and you
know it's leaking through multiple different ways, and yet people
increasingly say it's just really really easy to get. Yeah,
so what's going on here? Yeah, Jimmy, how are you?

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Mate?

Speaker 17 (48:43):
Boys Salves?

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah, not too bad? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 11 (48:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (48:48):
So I'm in my late twenties and I've I guess
I've been around these you know, illegal substances now for
about ten years or so, and it has never been
easier to get stuff at the moment, and especially coke
like it is just it just seems to be everywhere,
like every man and this dog is doing it, and
every man in this dog seems to be selling it.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
How are people getting it? Are they getting at the
old school way of knowing a dealer?

Speaker 17 (49:13):
There's there's a lot of there's these apps. There's these
sort of secretive private apps that a lot of people
and if you get the username of the particular person,
you can log on and you can message them and
you can do that or you just you know, you
just there's so many also, so many people seem to
be doing it these days that you know, it doesn't
take long for you to ask and all of a sudden,

(49:33):
you can know someone will send you a freaking name, and.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
So does does it come through? So when you order
it through an app? Is this coming from overseas or
is this someone that's already imported it into New Zealand
and is distributing it locally.

Speaker 17 (49:46):
No idea from what from what I know, like you
just go and meet somebody and like, you know, you
just pick it up locally. But I don't know where
they're getting it from or who's you know, who's behind
the scenes or anything.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Yeah, because someone was telling me recently that there's there's
a system where it gets delivered to It was a
dark web situation. Just got delivered to your mailbox. Someone
drove around and put it into your mailbox. One day,
you go down there, and then the idea is if
the police find in your mailbox or whatever, you go, well,
I didn't ask for.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
It, but plausible deniability all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 17 (50:19):
Yeah, I'm not sure about that one. I've never experienced
that myself. But I did want to say to you
boys actually that it's easy here, but it is nowhere
there as easy as overseas.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
I mean.

Speaker 17 (50:33):
I went to Hollywood last last October and literally I
went out on a Tuesday night to a bar. The
first bar I went to, the first person I asked.
Within twenty minutes, I had some you know, so it's
it's nowhere near that easy here as it is overseas,
but it's still pretty booming.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
I saw a when I was in Las Vegas. I
saw a guy who was walking around with a cap
on that said Cocaine Sales, and people were just going
up and buying it.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Because it was in America, Las Vegas.

Speaker 18 (51:04):
It's very easy.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Yeah, So what do you you think that there's any
way because you know, you talked about the app, right,
and there was that famous situation recently with the FBI
set up a fake app and ran it for a
bunch of time and then then got all this information
and busted a whole other people. I think they took
down most of the color Bees in New Zealand on
this information, didn't they? So you know, how how can

(51:28):
you be sure as a person that that the app
isn't just you know, the cops, I get.

Speaker 17 (51:34):
I guess you can't. I mean, I guess it's word
of mouth from you know, for somebody that you trust
and they let you know and they say they use this,
and I guess you take the risk. But yeah, I mean,
you know, is it You're always you're always prone to
be getting caught doing that stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Is it to boots that you know, if you go
to a party or you're with a group of people,
you might know some of them, you don't know others.
Is it taboots to sort of raised that question or
do you think it's becoming less underground, becoming a lot
more maze.

Speaker 17 (52:02):
It seems only coke. The rest of them are a
little bit you know, people were but fy on them,
but coke seems to be like, like I said, like
everybody just seems to be doing it now and it's
it has this reputation has been like the classy drug.
You know. So yeah, you get people that will like
never do any other drug ever, and they'll be there'll

(52:23):
be one in some of this, you know, like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Is it.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Do you ever think about something like cocaine, because you know,
people talk about ethically sourced materials and there's all this
kind of stuff. People talk about the environment and all
this kind of stuff. I'm just trying to think of
sustainable drugs because because it's there's vegans that will take cocaine,
is what I'm saying, And there's people that have these
incredibly sort of progressive views on them, on on on

(52:52):
things but there's a there's a there's a train of
misery from coke from from where cocaine is manufactured all
the way to someone's nostrils in New Zealand. So is
any any thought that goes towards that, the horror show
of it, the body count and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 17 (53:07):
I think, I think what a lot of it is
is that, like you know, cocaine especially, it's quite it's
quite a clean sort of feeling, you know, and it's
more just a stimulant, like you don't really feel out
of it. You just sort of feel like you've had
you know, fifty coffees and you feel really great, and
then to come down and the hangover is not as
like it doesn't doesn't knock you out as much as

(53:27):
the other ones do. So I think that's why people
are more they'll put their hand up to do something
because they know it's not gonna have such a bad
negative effect a couple of days later.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
But I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Meth is probably still a dirty you dirty word in
those circles that you run in massively massively.

Speaker 17 (53:44):
Yeah, some people that you know, I know that are
selling coke, they won't even touch myth you know, and
somebody mentions that they turn their nose up at it,
you know, so it's quite funny.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Is there any fear, Is there any fear of being
bustard or or anything like that. It just sounds like
people are treating it like turning up with a bottle
of wine at a dinner party.

Speaker 17 (54:06):
Yeah, that's that's That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
No.

Speaker 17 (54:09):
I mean, I imagine if you had a big bulk
of it, but I mean it's I mean, you can
have like, you know, a thousand dollars worth of the
stuff and them would even know. You know, it can
sit in the back of your phone sort of thing,
and it's it's pretty under their radar, whereas, like you know, weed,
you can smell it a mile away, somebody has like
the tiniest little bit.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
So now, cocaine conversations are punishingly, famously punishingly full of craps.
I mean, what are the hangs like with a bunch
of people, you know.

Speaker 17 (54:39):
I guess that makes them all more talkative. And yeah,
it is a lot of shit though. I mean the
next day you look back on it and it's like,
you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Oh hey, thank you, thank you for calling up, Jimmy
and thank you for your your candor.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, very interesting, Thanks very much. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Do you agree with Jimmy, that's that's a problem for
custom Minister Casey Costello, that people I have zero fear
and zero almost zero problems getting it if they want it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I mean, you know you mentioned before is the battle loss.
That seems to me like the battle is lost. But
you can't. Can you just give up entirely on stopping
these shipments. I don't think you can. You've still got
to try to some level to stop them getting in,
but clearly they are losing that war.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Death penalty, says this person bringing the death penalty, says
this person. All right, the death penalty will sort it out,
says this person. Well, it's worked in some countries arguably.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah, whether we want that here is a different story.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighties number to call.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
It's twenty five past.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Two, matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
EDB twenty seven past two. So we're talking about the
amount of drugs coming into the country and Casey Costello,
who heads up the ministry looking at border controls, say
they're not winning, but they're not losing either.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
For goodness sake, News Talk ZEDB says this text to
can you please not advertise on radio where and how
to get drugs? How does that do any good?

Speaker 7 (56:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (56:04):
I think that's a great idea. Not talking about these
things and not highlighting what's going on and just pretending
it's not happening. That seems like a really, really brilliant
way to solve the problems. Yeah, if we just would
you go, I don't want to hear about it. I
don't want to know about it. No one talk about it,
and then it'll just disappear for you maybe.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
But it's happening, lady, And this is a good thing
about talking about it. Is your ear? What is going
on in circles you might not know about?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
The stickster says, why does society get to choose which
drugs are allowed? Alcohol and tobacco drugs but except it? Well,
we had one and I think that was coke in MDMA.
Aunt seems odd, Yeah, I mean, I mean famously, Sigmund
Freud was diagnosing everyone with cocaine, didn't he famous givers

(56:49):
Mom famously give his mum a cag of cocaine for
Christmas to deal with her mental health problems. I think
you're right.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, And at one stage it was very popular to
have ecstasy during couple's therapy, and they thought that was
an ex big thing.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
But I think they saw what long term coke abuse
does to people, and it's not great. No, it's not.
Just ask bloody what's your name from fleetwood Man? Actually,
ask anyone from fleetwood Man.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
A lot of musicians, actually, a couple more techts coming through.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
I can walk next door and buy as much myth
as I want from my neighbor, just like twenty or
so other people do every day. I've been reporting it
to the police for six months. They're not interested, Paul, Right, Okay,
you know you don't know what the cops are up
to with that though. Sometimes they're trying to play a
bigger game exactly. So they're like, I'm not going to
run in and bust this guy. I'm gonna we're going
to observe yep, and we're going to try and get

(57:43):
mister Big up the line.

Speaker 7 (57:44):
You know.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Sometimes the police are operating mysterious ways. Sometimes they can't
be bothered.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
You never know, it's nicely said, you even know what
plan they're own. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call, So can you get your view?
How easy is it to obtain drugs in New Zealand
and considering how much is coming in despite the best
of its a border control, have we lost that battle?
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Speaker 4 (59:34):
Thank you very much, Jody.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
So we're talking about the amount of drugs that are
coming into the country. Border patrol are doing what they can,
but they say that they are not winning that battle.
They're not losing, but it's increasingly hard to combat it
because we are such an enticing market.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Yeah, as Casey Costello says, New Zealand has one of
the highest retail prices for meth in the Western world
and as a very lucrative market to big business, cartels
and organized crime networks. Yeah, I mean it's worth it,
and they can manufacture so much of it now and
pump it through with very little risk. As we said before,
six point six point five tons, Yeah, which is a

(01:00:13):
heck of a lot, and still the usage goes up. Yeah.
So this Texas says, I have a can of coke
every day, never done many high harm. I'm now seventy
on you. Yeah, it's a different coke. Yeah, arguably the
good good type. I don't know, probably done you some harm,
it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Yeah, it's certainly not an outst on it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Probably not as much harm as if you'd taken cocaine
every day, but all what your teeth might have felt
that a little bit Steve fackrom the show here you
go on there, Yeah, very well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
So you know a bit about the dark web operation.

Speaker 11 (01:00:42):
Yeah, so I've been watching it sort of evolve over
the last ten years, just on the individual level, from
that of I guess you'd say, a customer, And from
what I've seen is these apps that get used with
these group chats, they grow and the what they appear.
First off, they appear out of nowhere. You'll see a

(01:01:03):
link for another another group chat come up in one
of these groups that you're already existing and that you're
already a part of and that will be your gateway
to another one. So then you've got double the amount
of basically drugs on offer, drugs of any kind. And
this idea that cocaine's on the rise, I can I

(01:01:23):
don't think it's just an idea, it's a fact. But
to think that other drugs are being sort of pushed
away and that's that's being more of what people are
getting into now is a bit ignorance, I think, because
these these online group chats are like it's like that
of a bizarre You have all of these individual dealers
that don't seem to have anything to do with each other,
and they all put up their little advertisements maybe three,

(01:01:46):
four or five times a day, hoping that anyone will
see them click on them, and that's their marketing complete. Well,
it takes about thirty seconds out of their day each
time they do it. They can have anywhere from one, two, three,
four to ten twenty fifty people texting them off of
one message they put up, and the customers they don't

(01:02:08):
have to go through one person. There might be five
different people selling the same products that they're looking to
get for five different price variations, and you know they'll
always go.

Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
To the cheapest.

Speaker 11 (01:02:17):
And looking at the moment, I can see that there's
been an influx of these Crest pills coming in. They
have all sorts of different symbols on them, different kinds
of car manufacturers, ornaments and all sorts of things. And
there's no description of what the drugs actually contain whatsoever.
There's only a price and some made up so one

(01:02:38):
of them is called blue Lollies.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
That's terrifying. Yeah, So you can be taking you could
be taking anything at all.

Speaker 11 (01:02:47):
You could be and that's exactly right. There was advertisements
not long ago for something called Toothy if I'm correct,
and this I've read about it. It's manufactured in Colombia
and they use anything from at LEAs d ketamines, methan, thetamine,
to speed to crack cocaine. They'll put a big mixture

(01:03:09):
of unmeasured amount of drugs and a bowl together, mix
them up, put them in a bag with a bit
of pink dye and they send it off around the world.
And I've seen this stuff advertised here in New Zealand,
and the people that were advertising it were saying it
was sixty percent cocaine, twenty percent MBMA and twenty percent ketamine.
The manufacturers back in Columbia were claiming that it has
a plethora of drugs. It's not just these three things.

(01:03:31):
And even at that, how could anyone trust that the
quantities that this person is giving us in their advertisements
are correct?

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
I don't believe that this person has the main even
meused that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
And are they the toe person you trust?

Speaker 11 (01:03:44):
Yeah, we'll not regulate it. It's someone someone under the
guise of a cartoon character, a friendly cartoon character, a
familiar face.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
So it's it's you know most of these I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:03:56):
Gang members for all anyone knows and you've never known.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
And so a couple of questions here, how does payment
and delivery work?

Speaker 11 (01:04:05):
Well, it's a symbol as texting them. You're asking for
an address, or you're tell them your address, or they'll
give you a spot to meet up, whether it's at
a park or on the corner of the street, around
the corner from their house, so you don't know where
they are. It's it's as symbol as you hear the
you hear the muster whip, your truck outside of you
run out, you know, it's.

Speaker 7 (01:04:22):
It could be as it could be capple.

Speaker 11 (01:04:24):
Is that payment yet cash cast? It could be cash payment.
You see a lot of people do bank transaction and
then a lot of people will be opposed to that
idea because they might have had so many small transactions
coming against their accounts that have been have been flagged
as someone that's engaging in something that you know, gets
some untaxed income and all these sort of things, so
they avoid that they try to go.

Speaker 7 (01:04:42):
To the cash.

Speaker 11 (01:04:43):
But yeah, it's it's it's quite simple. Really, it's actually
a lot more symbol than people think. And I think
for me, what I see is the largest problem is
there's there's no regulation whatsoever, and these people that are
these drug dealers, these there's criminals. They're taking advantage of
the facts that there's a bigger market when there's no

(01:05:05):
age restriction. You know, there's there's kids, No one's asking
how old they are, no one, no one's in the
air about what they're doing wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
And what harm to cause.

Speaker 11 (01:05:13):
And you know how engaging and what they think is
a bit of fun because that seems like it's socially
acceptable in the groups are and can cause a lifetime
I don't think these kids understand, you know, these adults
that are that are like they're praying on children and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
We hear about you know that the problems with with
you know, drugs being mixed with likes of fentanyl as that.
I mean, that's got to be pretty serious risk, right
if you've got no idea, you've got no idea the
percentage of what you're getting, and right, I mean that
that's that's that's kind of a terrifying situation. And one

(01:05:51):
of these groups, though surely it would be not I mean,
you know, historically you've got police going under cover with
gangs and risking everything. But surely it wouldn't be too
hard for a police officer to you know, or some
law enforcement to find one of these yeah, sort of
infiltrate this. It seems like reasonably easy thing to do,

(01:06:13):
wouldn't it, And it is.

Speaker 11 (01:06:14):
It is incredibly easy thing to do. And I think
that's I think that's where they kind of win, is
the fact that these people that are using these groups
on a daily basis, this day in, day out, twenty
four hours a day, they quite out in the real world.
You see a police car drive Pasty bran air and
then you know, you see them, so you know they're real,
you know they're out there. But it's sort of it.

(01:06:35):
It stops people from doing, I think, a bit more
of the the criminal activity that they would engage in.
But with these groups, you don't see them. There's no sirens,
there's no police knocking on the door. There's there's nothing,
so they don't worry, and it's it's almost the whole
ignorance is bliss. They you know, they choose to ignore
the fact that there'll be a police officer in this group,
but there are. It's been pointing out many a time

(01:06:55):
that the police officers in these groups people they have
their phones taken off them. They have their phone seized
by the police when they're arrested and it will be
used for evidence. All the police officers has to do
is unset phone with the pastor that they have been
given and that person has then given them exist. Maybe
some people might have hundreds of groups on the phone.
I knew a guy about six years ago is in
prison now and he had I think three iPhones, and

(01:07:16):
two of them he couldn't use the Facebook messenger app
because they had been overloaded with these group chats and
it would not work anymore. No matter what he would try,
I couldn't get his work, couldn't reply to message. It
would have been thousands. And that's just in Christach a loan.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Wow, So is there just not a will to just
because you feel like this could be shut down pretty
quickly if they just started charging hundreds of people, if
they went to you know, the police decided in christ Church,
let's let's one day operation WhatsApp whatever, yeah, and just
go and ping a whole lot of people, then you

(01:07:51):
feel like, pretty quickly this wouldn't seem like a you know,
the safe and easy way that you're describing to use it.
People were messaged because you know, if people are like, oh,
there's probably cops in here, but that's fine, We're still
going to do it, then obviously the cops aren't busting
a whole lot of people because the word would spread
pretty quickly, wouldn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:08:12):
Yeah, well no, definitely. That's the other thing is the
way that people use them can be completely different. I
mean it's really up to the user. There's no set rules,
there is no way of operating in these group jets.
But you see some people they might only advertise something
once they might never advertise anything, and they'll see people
putting up a message asking for whatever it may be
a specific amount to a certain area of town, and

(01:08:33):
these people will they will reply to that person privately,
so no one else sees, no one else knows that
they're even dealing any drugs, and then that person builds
up a few customers, they build up your customer base,
and then it's all done through word about after that,
they don't even have to text them, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
But I wonder if it's you know, it's that ware
a mole situation. You mentioned it that you want to
go after the kingpin, the guy that's that's bringing the
drugs in and then distribute in it. And that's the
hard part that if you've got the safety and numbers operation,
if you take out a couple of those those low
guys or or people that buy drugs on the weekend,
is that going to make a difference long term? Perhaps,
you know, that's the strategy they're looking at that it's

(01:09:09):
almost futile.

Speaker 7 (01:09:10):
No, I don't think it does.

Speaker 11 (01:09:12):
I don't really think it does. And personally, I don't
think trying to butter up the situation and make a
better light of the epidemic of drug use that we're
seeing in New Zealand is going to be doing anything
good for our society. We need I think we need
the stronger education and we need to relook at things
that have happened in the past with these drugs. And

(01:09:32):
there aren't any safe drugs I believe, I don't. Well,
if they're illegal, they're illegal for a reason.

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:09:37):
And I think it's going to take a lot of
education and a lot of sort of restandardizing the way
that people look at other people's behavior and whether they
accept it or not because it's well. I've worked in
hospitality as my first job when a less school at fifteen,
and I'd never a drug use at all. I hadn't

(01:09:59):
grown up around it, wasn't influenced by anyone using drugs.
And through working in the hospitality industry and spending time
with my workmates on the weekends when have been parties
and everything, I was introduced to NDMA and I had
no interest in ever doing anything like that. I never
wanted to and because of the people I was around,
I was much younger than all of them, I felt
like it was an easy way to sit in by

(01:10:20):
doing what everyone else is doing, and then that led
down to a few years of just absolute drug abuse
and you know, alone without anyone else. You're not doing
it to fit them with anyone, You're doing it for
no reason whatsoever. And I've seen now is the time
has progressed and these these are these group sets got

(01:10:42):
them more prevalent and sort of more open to anyone
being able to take part in them. I've seen that
the it's almost a trend of younger people getting into
harder drugs. They have no idea the risks, they have
no idea the danger of the people that are getting
them from that. They don't understand what they're doing, but
they are doing. You're going out of their way to

(01:11:05):
put themselves in these positions of absolute dangers from drugs
to take them that will most likely walk their brain
and the developmental stage that they're in. And they'll be
doing it just to fit in with a group of
friends so they can hang out on a Friday night
or a Saturday night.

Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Yeah, yeah, fascinating. Steve, thank you very much for giving
us a call. Well one hundred eighty ten eighty. If
you're being in that world as well as Steve Wrights
back for shortly It is fourteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:38):

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
They'd be very good afternoon, dude, twelve to three. How
easy is it to get drugs in New Zealand?

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
Greg?

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (01:11:48):
Hey? Good? I'm good, guys.

Speaker 18 (01:11:49):
Hey, how easy is it to get drugs in New Zealand?
Pretty damn easy, really, isn't it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
And that is that a terrible thing for our country?

Speaker 7 (01:11:59):
Greek not not someone.

Speaker 18 (01:12:01):
Well, I'm not a big fan of I mean, I've
taken drugs, you know, I'm not a big fan of
hard drugs. You know, like, don't if you're listening, don't
waste your.

Speaker 11 (01:12:08):
Life on drugs.

Speaker 18 (01:12:09):
There's way more better things to do. But in saying that,
I did take some drugs this morning, some coding, but
I didn't enjoy it at all. So it's totally Legit.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Can go either way.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
There's stuff, but look.

Speaker 18 (01:12:23):
I just think, Look, prohibition isn't working. We've got to
we've got to think differently, you know, like, yeah, I
mean it's just everywhere, you know, especially mess you know,
it's just it's madness. You know, the amount of people
that you see, you know, and the availability of it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Is there any ever a situation and I've never seen
it where meth has led to a positive outcome.

Speaker 18 (01:12:48):
Well look, you know, anthetamines do have legitimate uses. I've
been on meat of mine and they give that to
you for weight loss. That's just anphetamine. I know, you
know that there are other legitimate uses, but you know,
very few.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
It just seems it just seems like when from from
the start of being involved in myth and feed I mean,
and I think you know with this talk that cocaine is.
You know, we had a call it before said it's
kind of seen as a classy drug. But methian fetamine
seems to be to me as a commitment towards sort
of it's it's very isolating, it's a commitment towards something

(01:13:27):
of it down and dirty, and you know, there doesn't
seem there's nothing in it that seems to be I'm
pushing my life forward in a positive direction.

Speaker 18 (01:13:37):
Well exactly, I mean, you know, think about it. You
know we've got you know, gangsters in the bush and
Mexico making it with diesel and you know, other raw materials.
I mean, you're not getting a good product, You're just
getting poison.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
That's part of the problem, isn't it, Greg Worth? And
I look, I don't know the answer. But when you
have the illicit drug trade, they're putting all sorts of
crap in these products that are going to you know,
sometimes kids and other people, and you've got god knows
what's in that. And that argument is with with legalizing
that you have more control over what is in those
particular products. But it's a difficult conversation because to me,

(01:14:19):
I don't just want to have a carte blanche everybody
go go hard on drugs. So I mean, what do
you what do you think the answer is there?

Speaker 18 (01:14:27):
Yeah, I think legalizing is a step too far. I
think for a lot of these drugs we may look
at decriminalizing, but legalizing is not.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
You don't you don't want people putting, you don't want
people advertising, and you know, corporate incentives to get more
people onto them. You know that complete legalization seems like
an absolute disaster to me.

Speaker 18 (01:14:50):
Yeah, and look, look just think about this for a minute,
and this isn't isn't advocating legalizing methanectamy when when when
caffeine first came to Europe, it was considered because caffeine
is a stimulant. It's just it's just a more mild
stimulant than methane.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Vietnams right now, Greg, he's smashing it.

Speaker 18 (01:15:12):
It was considered the work of the devil because because
religious about yeah, they were drinking it to stay up
all night to pray. It was considered the work of
the devil. So look, in a hundred years time, we
might we might be totally enlightened and we might think
of it differently. But hey, I want to give a
shout out to drugs for defeating the war on drugs.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Okay, all right, I mean drugs won at the moment.
At the moment, drugs are winning the war on drugs
and that and that is sort of the problem when
you when you read these stats and they are shocking,
and you read the amount of different ways of getting
out there, and how easy it is to get hold
of them despite all the money we've spent on trying
to stop it and continue to do, and how easy
it is to get them. Now, then you've got to

(01:15:52):
say drugs are currently winning the war on drugs.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Yep, nicely said right back shortly. It is seven to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Three the issues that affect you, and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
news talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
News Talk ZB. We have been talking about the amount
of drugs getting into the country despite the best efforts
of border control. Quick text here, Koday, guys. To know
the effects of drugs, just look at the life of
Brian Ka, the College Idaho murder. Started marijuana at thirteen
and then onto cocaine.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
It destroyed him. That might have been a one off
of that particular individual.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
And this one full epidemic, the uniqu kids, the edibles,
the ketamine, it's everywhere. Police needs some high profile arrest
to reinforce how illegal it is and a rest a
few law students. It will pull things back fast. So
interesting texts.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Yeah, So from this hour we can see that technology
and manufacturing and technology in technological advancements in manufacturing and
distribution and are making class as drugs easier than ever
to get. Yep, it's so easy to get. Hmm. Everyone's
been ringing up and saying you get it, just like that.
So much is coming in no matter how much how big,

(01:17:03):
these record butts are, just more comes in. Let's just
whack them hole. They just blooding the market. And now
you know, according to some callers, it's completely socially acceptable.
So what do you do? Yeah, I mean I don't
have a solution. No, I mean, if you really wanted
to stop it, you're banning around the death penalty. I
think there'd be a lot of support for that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Look, fascinating discussion and fascinating the number of people calling
up to say, now I have to tell us how
easy it is, and who knows what the old border
control we're going to do.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
I think this is an important text here. Meth strips
layers off your soul.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Yeah, very well, put right coming up after three o'clock.
When it comes to downsizing, earlier could be better. We'll
tell you more about that very shortly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
News is next, big stories, the leak issues, the big
trends and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Me, very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
It is six past three. Great to have your company.
Let's have a chat about downsizing. That is your home
of course so. An article in the Herald right Now,
written by Hannah McQueen, well known in finance circles, says
that downsizing your home can obviously help fund retirement, but
it works best if you do it earlier rather than later.

(01:18:20):
She says moving sooner can free up cash while giving
you more flexibility to adjust your lifestyle and investments, whereas
waiting too long, she argues, often means smaller financial gains
and fewer options. She stresses that downsizing shouldn't be relied
on as a sole strategy. It's most effective as part
of a broader retirement plan. Fascinating article. But want to

(01:18:42):
have a chat to you about downsizing?

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Cowardly? Cobag or go home?

Speaker 7 (01:18:49):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
I guess what I'd say is that downsizing isn't just
a financial thing. Right, So, as soon as your kids
just you drop them off the airport to go to university,
you downsize, Then how do you deal with them coming home?

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Don't you need to keep rooms for your kids to
come and visit? And then don't you need to keep
a bigger house if you can? For Christmas?

Speaker 7 (01:19:08):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Is anyone going to visit your your one beddroom apartment
that is as you put the money aside, yep, the
grandkids as well. You have a case for the grandkids.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
You want a bit of a lawn that they can
play with with your new toys.

Speaker 7 (01:19:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Isn't that part of the why you keep that bigger
house rather than just waiting for the retirement so you
can cash it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
I guess that's the age old debate between whether your
house is just a financial asset or not, because I
don't look at my house, my new house at the
moment yep, as a financial asset at this point, although
you know some of the decisions around it, like do
that and do that because it will increase its value,
and people say that to me all the time, but
I'm like, I don't want to sell it. I want
to keep it. Yeah. So there's two ways you can

(01:19:46):
look at a house. It's a financial asset or it's
a hub for family activities, you know, going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Where you've got your son back from university at the moment,
I mean, that's that's part and part of it, right,
that you've got that house and you've got I assume
a room for him to go when he comes back,
Charlie's room yep. So if you moved into a little
one bedroom apartment in the middle of Auckland's So where
does Charlie go then to catch up with them at cafes?

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Exactly? But I mean maybe they gets a point where
you know you just need the money. But yeah, I
mean there's lots of things to consider with property, isn't.

Speaker 18 (01:20:22):
There there is?

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
So can you hear from you? I wait one hundred
and eighty ten eighty when it comes to downsizing, do
you think you left it too late? And what you
thought you would get in terms of a bit of
anistic for your retirement wasn't as much as you originally thought.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Nine two nine two is of text you're really selling
You're really really selling it to me on downsizing, says
this text, I would love if nobody visited me on Christmas.
So I definitely should be downslizing something to a smaller
so that no one will visit me. You, I don't
have to host Christmas. You see where that's different things?

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Right, there's a couple of wins there for that person.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
Yeah, yeah, you might move into a cupboard, lock the door.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Really,
Keen to hear your story. If you're downsize, when was
the right time to do it for you? And coming
up next, we are going to have a chat with
Hannah McQueen, the founder and director of Age Rightly back
very shortly. It is ten past three us talks. It'd
be there's twelve past three and we are talking about

(01:21:16):
downsize and it's based on an article written by Hannah McQueen,
the director and founder of Age Brightly and she joins
us now, Hannah, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
I dare when is the best time to downsize? Hannah?

Speaker 19 (01:21:30):
Normally before you want to. If I'm being honest, I
think we tend to leave it quite late for a
lot of reasons. It's the pain is probably traumatic for some.
Why would you want to do it sooner? Well, the
reason you want to do it sooner is most of
us need to actually get that downsize financial equation to work,
and when you leave that too late, the opposite working

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don't pan out.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Are people realistic about how much money they will make
from their downsize.

Speaker 19 (01:21:57):
Hannah, No, my experiences, we tend to overstate what we
get for our home and understate what we're going to
pay for the next home, and some of the reasons
for that is often the home you're leaving, like it
might be a large family home on a big section,
but the people who can afford that property that the
market of those people is smaller than the market you're

(01:22:19):
moving to. So you can feel like you're giving up
a lot, right, maybe moving from that to a townhouse
or a three bedroom with it, you know, a teeny
tie section. The sacrifice is monumental, but the financial gain
doesn't usually mirror what you're given up. So and you're
also moving to a market that is fuller, so more
people in it, which is pushing the price up for

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what you're paying.

Speaker 11 (01:22:40):
For as well.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Interesting, So how much should people depend on the downsize
for their retirement?

Speaker 19 (01:22:49):
Yeah, well that's I guess that's an individual question. Most
Kiwis run out of money kind of in their seventies,
right like they had Kiwi say that the eggs out
a little bit and then the well is dry, and
so then they have to try and live on the pension,
which is tricky. It's possible, but it's tricky and for me,
I would think kind of odd. So then you go

(01:23:11):
to where's the money going to come from? Well, it
needs to come from your home unless you've got other assets.
So you've got to sell your home or you've got
to get a reverse mortgage. Both of those have problems,
risks attached to it. How do you manage that? Well,
if you need, like what's the pension twenty five grand
a year, so you're a couple, that's fifty grand. Both
people kind of want to have a little bit more

(01:23:33):
than that. So even if that's another twenty grand a
year that you need to get from somewhere. Well, if
you're seventy, we need to fund your retirement until ninety
twenty grand a year. What if we got we've got
twenty years, that's four hundred grand we need from downsizing.
I think that's the equation. Well, you've got to play
that trump card well if you're going to play it,
but most people don't play it well. And it's oh

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nothing worse than someone who doesn't play the trump card
at the right side, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
I mean it must be hard for people when they
reach retirement or even into their seventies and they want
to downsize, but to give up what they've had for
a long time, and maybe they want to downsize to
a new build then they're going to give up all
their possessions that they've spent a lifetime acquiring. So they
are all difficult decisions, right, I imagine for a lot
of people. Yes, they're looking at how much money they
need for retirement, but also they don't want to have

(01:24:20):
a downgrade in their lifestyle.

Speaker 19 (01:24:23):
Yeah, that's right. It's a difficult process to go through.
It's normally quite exhausting. You normally have to shed about
seventy percent of your possessions that you have worked really
hard to build. So the emotional side of it isn't
lost on me. But the reason why you downsized earlier
is so that you can maintain the lifestyle that you want.
What happens when you downsized later is often it's forced

(01:24:46):
on you. And so that means someone has a fall,
they go into hospital, and then they need to be
in a rest home. Well, you don't have money to
buy them a care bed, so you've got to downsize
the home. That happens so often, and you're making these
sort of flurry of decisions amongst huge emotional stress, and
that's when you have to drop your pants and people

(01:25:08):
take advantage of that. So the impact is if we
don't do it sooner or earlier. You're not in control
of that process. And if you want to invest in
your health so that you stay out of hospital in
the first place, that also takes the money that the
pension is unlikely to forge you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
It's a bit of a catch twenty twenty catch twenty
two situations when it comes to grandkids and stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:25:30):
Though.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
I mentioned because you want to have you have this
view of your house as you're paying it off, and
you imagine kids coming home with their kids, Christmases in
the house, people playing on the lawn, lovely all that
kind of stuff, so very hard to go. This is
the financially best time to do it, as opposed to
this as the emotionally and best family time to do it.

(01:25:53):
If you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 19 (01:25:55):
Absolutely the two ever meet right, Like, the best time
to actually downsize your home from a financial perspective is
probably when the kids move out, and I get we've
got the romance of them coming back for Christmas and
all of that for one or two times a year
for some people locking up all that capital. To be honest,
it's normally normally experience anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
We have the romance of when you're sitting at home
by yourself at Christmas and they've gone to the other
the other side of the family's house.

Speaker 19 (01:26:26):
Yeah, and a lot of people can't even keep up
with the maintenance on the house, right like it actually
is too big a deal. And then the family come
and it's a working bee every time. It's I think
that there are a lot of emotions. You know, even
the kids might have the romance of keeping the family
home around. Why would you downsize? That seems crazy, Well,

(01:26:46):
you're doing it because there's a risk that the decision
is going to be taken away from you. But when
I did work around people who enter rest homes, you know,
so that's when you kind of that's not independent living.
That's when you need a nurse to look after you.
Seventy percent of people who arrived at the rest home
weren't expecting to be there only two weeks before. Oh wow,

(01:27:08):
I think had happened. And then it's like, oh, here
we go, and we're trying to prevent that thing from happening.
And sometimes the home is the risk to these people
right back. If the home safety it's you know, if
you've got two stories or or there's to say a
lot of maintenance to be done well. That can create
fall's risks for people. So you accidentally fall over maintaining

(01:27:31):
the house that the family is supposed to come until
on Christmas Day, and then you're in hospital, and then
you're in a rest home. This is the grim reality.
And if we come back to that home, you have
spent your life paying off that mortgage, and good for you.
Let's make sure the next twenty five years of retirement
are good years. It upsets me when I see people

(01:27:54):
that have this beautiful house but no money. They don't
even are too scared to spend money, or they don't
have liquidity to spend money.

Speaker 20 (01:28:02):
What's that all about.

Speaker 19 (01:28:03):
We've just got to get the balance a bit better.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
What we need to do is either take the whole
view out of life or bring back the granny cottage.
I think my kids need to put up a granddad
cottage for me and the next thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
You're looking forward to that you've spoken about that before.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
They can start building. Now twenty years I mean, I
mean I'm still at high school, but still they need
to start going by. They need to think about me
and my retirement.

Speaker 19 (01:28:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's when your kids can be an investment
for you, right, they can actually give you a return,
because at the moment it's the other way.

Speaker 11 (01:28:34):
That is straight.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
I've seen no return so far except for emotional returns.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Yeah, you nicely said, Hey Hannah, great to catch up.
Thank you very much. It's a great article and we
will catch up again soon. That is Hannah McQueen. She
is the founder and director of Age Brightly. You can
ever read of that article on the hero but we've
taken your calls. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
So downsizing. Did you leave it too late or did
you do what Hannah McQueen is suggesting and downsized as

(01:29:00):
soon as the kids left home? Nine two ninety two
is the text number. It is twenty past.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Twenty two past three. We're talking downsizing. When did you
make the move to try and downsize? If ever, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
To call the sixss Hey guys, mikey a great topic.
I downsized my home two years ago, sold the boat
and the Harley, bought a small, one bedroom pad with
a garage and small garden, and I love it. Matt.
You have to live for you and not for your kids,
oh nicely said, hard to do. Yeah, hard to do. Penny,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (01:29:42):
Yeah, Hi is that Matt?

Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
And Tyler?

Speaker 22 (01:29:45):
Oh, Hi, Tyler, Matt and Tylers Hey, Penny, hi, Hey.
Redownsized just on two years ago in May actually, and
we built a brand new home two years ago, well
four years ago, and then it all got too much
and I decided what we decided. We bought a property

(01:30:08):
I'm still in practon, but it ends up at two houses,
but two two bedroom houses joined together. So then we
plunked a see third out the back for the teenager
and he's stayed there every year and he's gone, and
now we disused the back houses.

Speaker 11 (01:30:22):
In near B and B.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
So you're you're a younger sort of downsizer than what
people normally think about downsizing, right.

Speaker 5 (01:30:29):
Penny, Yeah, fifty six, yeah, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Because people think about downsizing at what retirement.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Ages sixty five plus?

Speaker 21 (01:30:36):
Yeah, So yeah, no, it's sort of quite scary because
my father was in his eighties and we had the
same dear. We've got other relatives still surviving and those
sort of in their eighties, and you just think, oh god,
trying to move at that age, it's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Nothing your fifties some good foresight.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
So I mean, what was it?

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
How big was the house that you built?

Speaker 21 (01:30:57):
Two hundred and sixty square.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Meters it's a big house. Yeah, and so was it
a maintenance thing or you generally just looked into the
future and thought, I can't be bothered doing that when
I'm old. It's still it now, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:31:09):
It's basically.

Speaker 21 (01:31:10):
And also we had a lot of money tied up,
and it was also like a two year old home,
so it was going to be easy to sell with
a thing two years and it would have been a
mother two years down the track, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's a smart move and so
it's working well. Now you say you've got to sleep out.
The kids have still got a place to stay if
they want to come.

Speaker 21 (01:31:29):
Yeah, yeah, know, if if the two boys and one
of them's got a partner and they bring the dog,
if they want to we just don't book a batch out.
It's called a batch at the bat, but it's attached
to the front house. So we've got two houses to
two bedroom houses. It is on a fairly large section,
but it's it's easy to maintain, it's not hard to maintain.

(01:31:50):
It's all flat, whereas the other houses on a hill.

Speaker 11 (01:31:52):
So, yeah, that was you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
You haven't downsize to a you know, bedst have you
going on?

Speaker 21 (01:32:01):
We have, But I mean it's like you're saying about
when you when you have family dinners in there is
you know, I was used to a big dining but
now all we did was we just put it one
of those outdoor pgol of things and new deck and
so if it's summer time, we will sit out there.
If it's wind till, well it's just tough.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Yeah yeah, oh good on your penny, and thanks thanks
for bringing in and sharing that with us. When my
I think about this, so when my mom died, my
dad moved off the farm into town yep. And that
move was tough. My god. There was so many different
buildings full of stuff, the amount of stuff. How big
was the farm?

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Like, I mean that, well, the size of the land
was quite big, right.

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
The thing is just that if you have structures that
you can fill with stuff, you'll fill them with stuff. Yeah,
oh yeah, you will so you will fill every shared
the barn. Oh my goodness, there was a there was
a cottage. There was a cottage on that on on
the farm that was just full of stuff. There was
summuch stuff. Yeah and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
So having to chuck some of that away, you just
have to remove your father. And you didn't say, Dad,
don't look at the stuff is going to the dump.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
I didn't care. It was my sisters that didn't like
the stuff that I was trying to throw in the skin.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
Fair enough to Penny, Thank you very much for your call.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty are you like Penny?
Did you downsize early? Nineteen ninety two is the text
number as well? Can you to hear your story? It
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Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Thank you very much, Jody. So when is the ideal
time to downsize to make the most of your retirement.
Hanna McQueen, well known financial advisor, says that as soon
as the kids leave home is the ideal time to downsize.
If that's you, Oh, eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call of for you downsize later
in life? How did that work out financially for you?
Nine to nine two's the text get a Chris.

Speaker 14 (01:35:10):
My question is is it actually a good idea to
downside I've got Well, I'm in the fifties, I've.

Speaker 18 (01:35:16):
Got a house.

Speaker 14 (01:35:17):
That's my asset. I managed to do that when it
was possible to do. But looking at my kids going forward,
how are they going to get on the property ladder?
If I downside my house, then that money goes towards
my care and is means tested in everything, and it's
not an inheritance.

Speaker 7 (01:35:36):
For my children anymore.

Speaker 14 (01:35:37):
My children have absolutely no hope of having a deposit
for a house in today's market, Whereas if they got
their inheritance from my house, each of my three children
would have a deposit to get in the property market
and actually have a house they own rather than renting
for the rest of their lives.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
But if you got enough, you're going to have enough
money to exist, Chris without cashing in your chips on
your house.

Speaker 14 (01:36:03):
Well, I mean, I've got a rental asset as well
that I can earn money from. Or I've got a
big house that I can rent rooms out and earn
an income that will pay for my retirement attending, and
I could move into the smaller rental or something.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
Yeah, what about what about maintenance on the house? Do
you think you're going to be up to? Looking out?
How big is your property? If you don't mind me
asking the one that you're living in.

Speaker 23 (01:36:29):
Chris, it is a big property.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
It is a big house.

Speaker 14 (01:36:34):
Yes, there would be maintenance involved, but the house is
built in the two thousands, so it's a fairly modern
house with low maintenance.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
So m I mean it sounds like you're in a
pretty strong position. Yeah, if you've got other properties and stuff,
So if you don't have to downsize, then buddy, good
for you. Don't downsize Chris.

Speaker 14 (01:36:57):
Yeah, but I'm just saying, if it is the one
asset that you've got that is going to be of
assistance to your children, my question is is it actually
a good idea to spend all of that? What impact
is it going to have on the your children?

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
So, I mean, that's that's a very what's the words
selfless way to look at the world. That that you
would you would be more frugal such that your kids
can can get into property. I mean, that's that's a beautiful,
beautiful thing to do for your kids, Chris.

Speaker 23 (01:37:28):
It's just a different perspective to look at it.

Speaker 14 (01:37:30):
Whereas if I actually sold my place, then the money
I put in the bank would end up being means tested.
I get into a home and all of that money
gets sent down to pay for my uh you know,
rest home care and everything and things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
So it's the opposite of skiing. Right, So a lot
of a lot of people are talking about now spending
the kids inheritance. So they're like, Okay, I've got this house,
I'm going to sell it and I'm going to go
on several European cruises. I'm gonna buy buy myself the car.
I always wanted all those kind of things. But you're

(01:38:06):
suggesting another path.

Speaker 14 (01:38:08):
When I bought a house, you know, I first bought
my house, it was worth a couple one hundred thousand dollars.
Now your average house is seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
and it's gone from two times you're income to seven
times you're income.

Speaker 5 (01:38:23):
So it's a problem yeah, I'm in perspective to look
at this.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
It's a nice way to think about it, Chris. But
I suppose part of that is if anything goes awry
with your health or you know, you have a financial hat,
you've got to trust the children are going to be
there to look after you if you see what I'm saying.
You know, if anything happens to you or yet you
have a bit of a bump in the road, that
your children are going to gather around while you've still
got that house or look after you in the meantime

(01:38:46):
while you're still here.

Speaker 7 (01:38:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
Yeah, And I suppose my point there is that not
everybody has that that luxury that the children are able
to do that. But got on you, Chriss. It is
very selfless thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
It is interesting, though, Sustest says, for good's sake, it's
not as responsiblely bevide for as adult children are that
bloody adults. I mean, how much is your responsibility to
sort out you? I mean I would have thought it's
a bonus, right, So a massive bonus. So your responsibility
to parent is to provide them food, provide them lodging,

(01:39:20):
make sure they've got their school uniform, everything that they
need to get through to set them up to go
and forge their own path in the world, right, yep.
So once they're out and earning money, largely thanks to
the effort that you've put in to make them worthwhile
human beings and incompetent human beings, yep, then do you
still need to have them a bloody house?

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Not in my eyes, honestly, not on my eyes, because
that's you know, like investment's not the right word, but
the amount that you put into it, And of course
you do because you're their parent. You brought them into
this world. But that is a significant amount of money
that you've invested to try and get them start for
the beast of life. And by the time that you
leave this world or the inheritance question comes up, your

(01:40:04):
children will be in their fifties, maybe even sixties at
that point. If they haven't got their life sorted, a
little bit of inheritance from mum and dad, is that
really going to.

Speaker 5 (01:40:11):
Make the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
I would hate for my dad to put off doing
the things that he wanted to do if he had
to to try and help me out after he's gone,
I would hate that. I would so much prefer that
he spent every cent that he's got on making sure
that his life was awesome to the end, and you know,
or could do the things that he could and wanted
to do to the end. Then he was holding off

(01:40:33):
some for for me. Yeah, I would hate that. Yeah,
I would hate to find that out home with you,
if he if he was living, if he wasn't getting
to do because he's already given so much to me,
you know, bringing me into the world, bringing me up,
you know, providing me a house, yeah, to put up
with a lot, you know, providing me a roof over
my head when I was growing up. Yeah, God, he
had to put off with a lot. What do you

(01:40:54):
say he's given He's giving me way more than I
deserve that putting up with me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're like Chris,
love to hear from you, or if you're the opposite,
that's the inheritance. Are you protecting that inherenceance for your
kids or are you spinning up because you earned it
and you see your kids up well enough to be
okay by themselves. And also, can you hear your downsizing situation? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call.
It's twenty three to four.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Madd Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
They'd be it is twenty to four.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
A bit of pushback on Chrisma's call. What a depressing
phone call. Tell the kids, as I have done with mine,
earn their own money, get on with life. The world's
full of opportunities, cheers John nice text. And also, hey guys,
the setup Chris is talking about, isn't it actually going
to work? As assets will be mean tested, if means tested,
if he requires funds from the government to pay for
his care, even if he gives it to his children,

(01:41:51):
you probably need to ask McQueen or an account of
the specific question. Yeah, I mean, I'm not quite across that,
I'm afraid, but I don't think that will work.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Didn't seem as simple as he made out. I think
there's a few.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
But is there anyone out there who thinks that their
parents owe them a house for bringing them into the world.
I don't think that you'd be a pretty weird person
if you think that your parents owe you a living
for your whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
Yeah, to me, it's an odd, odd concept. Anyone who's
sitting there, I can't wait to get the inheritance. I
mean you're effectively saying, I can't wait for my parents
to pass away so I can get some money. I mean,
it's a weird concept to me.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
Luke, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on downsizing?

Speaker 9 (01:42:32):
Oh, kidder, guys, rags, I can't here or.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
You might be on the speakerphone.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Are you are on the speaker hope? Are you surfing?
What's going on? Nice?

Speaker 7 (01:42:47):
Luke?

Speaker 9 (01:42:49):
Yeah, so I've got to I'm in a different photo together.
I'm considering downtizing. It's forty because great schemes and playing
with the house. Then you get that you don't have kids,
and then what do you do? You just study, clean
the roof and stain the walls for the rest of
your life.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
Liking you just deal was liking never ends. The liking.

Speaker 9 (01:43:10):
Those try and walk away, they just.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Yeah, you only walk away for a couple of weeks
and you're back at it.

Speaker 7 (01:43:19):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:43:19):
I'm wondering, is it does it too soon to.

Speaker 7 (01:43:23):
I think?

Speaker 9 (01:43:24):
Cavan?

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Caravan? Well, how are you? How many people you're operating
with Luke, what's your what's your your loving situation? Me
and Ma a big show fan. Yeah, now yeah, so
you and your wife just rattling around a big old
house dealing with the like and you want to get

(01:43:46):
into the caravan, you.

Speaker 9 (01:43:48):
Know, yeah, like the caravan and just start turing the
country that we just don't have to run. Aw And
we felt like a couple of semi an old, semi
retired couple hanging out with all the the boomers.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
Was a man or a good thing.

Speaker 9 (01:44:03):
That was good.

Speaker 24 (01:44:03):
They're all good people and they can keep up now
they got they got the old tree behind them. Pretty friendly, lovely, yeah,
always friendly. And you know they'll invite you around Christian yeah,
or a brandy in the evening.

Speaker 9 (01:44:18):
And I'm just singing, maybe.

Speaker 11 (01:44:22):
Boys wouldn't be no get it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, that's a good point, Like why
are you wait? Yeah? Why wait?

Speaker 9 (01:44:35):
Why do we take this big Why don't we just
spend you know, another five years, just check into a
retirement village and go and cruise it. We'll see what
people do.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
I remember when Homer Simpson checked into a retirement village
and he was like, here's me walking around. Yeah, he
checked until Retirement Village at thirty eight for one episode.

Speaker 9 (01:44:55):
Yeah, you'd you'd be quite useful around us. Well, you
know jobs so people couldn't do like, Yeah, I'm just
know what those things cost them, because I know they're
not cheap to get in And what the I think
you've got to do?

Speaker 7 (01:45:07):
Interview?

Speaker 9 (01:45:09):
Maybe I would quite get through that you're going.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
To you're in for the long haul. If you jump
into a retirement a legit thirty eight, you're keep potentially
there for sixty years. Yeah, there's a lot of games
of bridge. Yeah, well, good on your luke. And I'll
tell you what if you've dealt with Liken like I
had too recently, you can't you Liken just plays on
your mind all the time. I had to remove Lichen
from a giant roof at a house, and and now

(01:45:36):
I just look at houses with Lichen and I just
everywhere I go, I see liking, I hate it?

Speaker 7 (01:45:40):
What like it?

Speaker 4 (01:45:41):
I'm not liking? Liking? No, you like and liking? So
did you use it? But wait and forget?

Speaker 7 (01:45:45):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
Look, I don't want to go into the details, but
I was painting the roof on my house and so
I needed to get the liking out immediately. Yes, so
I was on it with the wire brush.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
I saw that paint job. Actually, yeah, yeah, that was
a great page done mate, Thank you. Oh one hundred
and eightyeen eighties number cool, Andrew, how are you?

Speaker 20 (01:46:02):
I'm good, good, Matt Fursting of all, your should have
bloody sprayed your roof six months before you need painting,
and then what wouldn't have been a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
I know I should have, should have, could have, would have,
But I wasn't in that position when I needed to
paint it because I just just taking ownership of the
place and needed to get the roof sort of immediately,
you know. But now I'm never letting that life and
come back and promise you, Andrew on it now, reforming back.

Speaker 20 (01:46:26):
I spray once a year with thirty seconds. It never
comes back.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Yeah, yeah, I'm on it now, Andrew.

Speaker 20 (01:46:33):
That's not what we're talking about.

Speaker 23 (01:46:37):
Sixty.

Speaker 20 (01:46:37):
I have four adult children, I have four grandchildren. When
I was in my early thirties, grandparents started dying and
leaving money to parents, and I thought to myself, you know,
iFly fe money to me, that would be life changing.
But what I didn't take into account was the fact
that if they left it to the grand chap children,
there are one hundred and eighty thousand of us and
so we order got fifty cents each. So my theory,

(01:47:01):
my theory is is what what I'm going to do is,
first of all, I'm not planning on leaving anything to
the grand children. Accept the house to the children. Accept
the house or accept the the the shears and the
rest home that we're in, all whatever it is, but
all the cash. And I was I was fortunate enough

(01:47:25):
that when Michael Cullen decided to set up k WE
Save and told everybody, oh, we'll give you a thousand
dollars to start it off. I went, I'm going to
have that thousand dollars, thank you very much. And I
would have been one of the first people to sign
up for kV savers. So my my keV Save is
reasonably healthy now. So so we're going to be all
right in our retirement. But and I will downsize the

(01:47:48):
house because we have we have a big house on
a reasonable size section in Auckland. We will downsize the
house and we'll have a two to two bedroom house
and somewhere like Teka Fodder and and you know, in
five years time when I finally do retire. But but
any cash, it's in the bank and anything like that.

(01:48:10):
You know, we didn't we didn't travel when we were
young because we had babies when we were young, because
we didn't want to sleep in a sleeping bag on
the side of the road. So so we'll travele. We'll
travel now, you know, and we'll spend all that honey,
and the ants in the house will be the inheritance
to the kids.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Yeah, but I would also say good on you for
doing that. But I would say you could also would
be well morally, because you sound like a great dad, Andrew,
and you goes you brought up four kids. I would say,
you don't know them anything. I would say you could.
Even if if you sold the house and then you
spent that on I don't know hats, that would still
be fine.

Speaker 20 (01:48:46):
And they would they would agree, They would agree wholeheartedly,
and so would I. But but it'd be nice to leave.
And like my mother in law, now she's a dear
old stick and I can say this because she won't
be listening. But you know, a couple of years ago
it looked like she was going to die. She was

(01:49:07):
eighty two, looked like she was going to die, and
it just happened to coincide with me buying a new motorcycle.
And now every time she comes and visits, I tell
her to hurry up because I've already spent the inheritance
as part down in the shed.

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
That's a good relationship, mate, this sorry, Andrew.

Speaker 7 (01:49:26):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:49:27):
The good thing is is the house that she's living
in belongs four ways between my wife and her four brothers.
That's how three brothers, I should say, that's how That's
how dad left it. And unfortunately we're unable to sell
it and give them all the money and buy her
a small house because public trust have got their DIBs

(01:49:47):
on the will. But you know, there's no If we
had our way, we'd sell all that and give them
money to mum and if they can and spend it,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I guess there is something though, if
you moving on into this, you know, if you're passing away,
maybe that's that's some solace to know that your family's
going to be okay. Yes, I mean, you know it's
all very well, you know, buying you know, expensive holidays
and your stuff. But maybe you'll feel really really good

(01:50:18):
to know that your family, you know, as a statement,
and it's a way of sort of achieving some sort
of you know, effect on the future. Yeah, a little
bit of legacy to leave behind the word we can
do it. I bought a house for my parents to
retire to. It doesn't always have to be parents paying
for the kids. Mark, you're a good man, and I
think that is probably the obligation is that way. I
think the obligation is if your parents have brought you

(01:50:39):
up and sacrifice so much to educate you and get
you out into the world, then I think that the
obligation is the other way. Then I think you're obligated
to look after your parents if they need it.

Speaker 7 (01:50:51):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Mom tells us that all the time she had to
buy a house for her parents, and she says to
me and the brothers to say, you're going to have
to do the same for me at some stage, like
fair enough, mon fair enough too.

Speaker 7 (01:51:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Yeah, absolutely, keep those ticks coming through A nine two
nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
But we'll go quickly to.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Nick get a.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
Nick, and gentlemen, how were doing very good?

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 23 (01:51:12):
I just thought, and so I've been lucky enough that
my grandparents left me some money, and so you know,
I bought bought my pa, bought my house with it,
and that sort of thing too. So I guess what
I'm saying is I feel like I've got an obligation
to make sure that my kids and my grandkids get
the same kind of opportunity I had. So you know,
I make sure that I look after that asset so
that I can pass that on back down to my

(01:51:33):
kids as it goes well, kind of like generational wealth
that without the actual real wealth part, just generational opportunity,
I suppose you call it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
You're going to have a little someone to spend on
yourself though, so you get to have a bit of
fun in retirement.

Speaker 7 (01:51:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:51:46):
Well, I'm nearly paid my house off, so you know,
I was lucky enough to buy it when I was
quite young, and so I've nearly paid it off. So
I'm kind of going to lean the majority of that
to them, and then when I pass my house, I
don't have a mortgage, and so a bit more a
bit more cash, a bit more cash in the hand
for them up for the meantime. But I might look
at downsizing in the future. But not until my kids
are older and left and you know, yeah, I just

(01:52:09):
think that that's I think it's important that if you've,
if you've, if you've been given an upper hand, Yeah,
that you that you look after, you look after the
same way that you've been looked after forward.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
Yeah, yeah, you sound pretty young. Now, how old are
you if you don't mind me asking?

Speaker 11 (01:52:23):
Forty six?

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
Yeah, oh well you've got you're well in hand then,
aren't you. Yeah, yeah, you're in a good spot if
you if you're nearly out of the morning.

Speaker 23 (01:52:29):
And I look and I look as young as I
found too.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
I can tell that, mate, I can tell that you
sound hot neck.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Yeah, you have a good time going forward. It certainly is.
Thank you very much for you. Our phone called Nick
nineteen ninety two is the text will get to some
of those very shortly. It is nine minutes to four.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
It'd be news talks, it'd be it is seven to
four plenty a text Kevin through mostly unlike and yeah,
a lot of luck and texts.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
Yeah, I know, and I did use you know, there
was there was a lot of water blastings to get
that like an off. But I need to paint. This
person's saying, guys, to paint. We're like and has been
waste of time wire brushing the roots of it need
to be killed. Fifty to fifty bleaks in water does
the job? Some ingredients has win fit? Yeah, looks say.
I did did do a bunch of that stuff as well.
But I did get that like and off, and the

(01:53:25):
roofs looking good, looking very good. I've got to say
I've seen I lacquered that paint on though I just
used a broom. I just put so much paint on them.
It's pretty thick, mate, pretty thick. Yeah, you have to
put Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no no, already
read that one out. Oh this tick says, what is
this downsized term? Get the terms right, lads. It's called
right size. Oh, it's a nice way to put it.

Speaker 7 (01:53:46):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
Sizing. Is anyone upsizing? Anyone upsize at sixty five?

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
I'm looking forward to upsizing, but I'm still just in
the first one.

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
So up to sixty five you live in, you know,
a three bedroom house, and then at sixty five, then
you square meter, a five bedroom, four bathroom massive unit
lifestyle section seems to be the way to go a
lot more.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
Yeah, this one here says guys downsized in as a
no brainer. Money in the bank, less maintenance, so more
time to enjoy life. Want room for the family. Pitch
a tent, the kids love it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
It's not bad. Yeah. Well yeah, I mean that's a
good point, isn't it, as long as you've got a lawn. Yeah,
so getting you Yeah, that's right. I mean there's no
point in moving into a one bedroom bedsitting and then
trying to pitch a tent in the bathroom, is that?

Speaker 7 (01:54:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
Exactly right. Great discussion. Thank you very much for everyone
who called on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Yeah, and that brings us the end of another edition
of Matt and Tyler Afternoons on z B. Thank you
so much for all your calls and texts. Had a
great old time. Thanks for listening. The powerful headed duper
ce Allen is up next with She's Going Live to
Israel with CBS's Middle East correspondent to discuss the seafire,
the seafire ceasefire.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
Seafire still works, sea hyphen fire.

Speaker 4 (01:55:00):
Well you want to see less fire? In a ceasefire.
But right now, Tyler, why am I playing this nineteen
ninety seven banger from the Verve?

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
The drugs don't work because we had a fascinating discussion
about how easy it was to get drugs in New
Zealand and judging by the calls and texts, relatively easy.

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
Relatively easy. Yeah, the stopping of the drugs getting into
New Zealand doesn't seem to be working. Great song from
the Urban Hymns album. We'll be back live tomorrow from
midday with more talk back for your afternoon, but until then,
give them a taste of Kiwi Why don't you love
the song June You again?

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
The drugs done were just make you worse?

Speaker 12 (01:55:47):
But that nosis again.

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
The bars uncommence.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
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