Full Show Podcast: 09 December 2025

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed be
follow this and our Wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number two sixty four, the ninth
of December in the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty five.
It's a Tuesday, and you know, one of the main
reasons why we do this intro is just say hello
to a special message to our podcast only listeners. I
was getting sent some stuff on Instagram with the many, many,

(00:38):
many minutes of podcast listening people did to our podcast
over the year. There was someone that had thirty six
thousand minutes of listening to our podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
What a freaking legend you are.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Because Spotify will tell you how many, how many hours
you listened for you're a great key. We know you're
probably listening right now. There was another one. There was
another one with twelve thousand. There's one here with eighteen
thousand minutes of listening to us fan test.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Some good people out there. We love you. You're probably
listening right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
It's a big been a big, big old year. But
the other reason, apart from saying hello to you, a
special bespoke hello to the podcast listeners. Is also to
point out the things that we say we're going to
talk about then don't talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, was there anything that was left on the cutting
room floor today?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I think?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I mean no, I think we got to everything.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Did we Okay, well, there's no point in talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Then everything is there.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
So download, subscribe and give us a review.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
And give a taste to keep from us. All right, then,
love you, love you.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Be.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Very good afternoon. So you're welcome into Tuesday show. I
hope you're doing pretty well.

Speaker 6 (01:49):
Great.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Dear of your company is always got a med now.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Before in our regional part of the show before we
went nationwide, we were talking about how a text came through.
There was a slightly ominous sounding texts that came through.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Could have gone either way from a mic yep.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
That It's said, I'm dropping off a package at reception.
I'm on my way into zb studio reception with a
package for Matt and Tyler Eta thirty five minutes. That
was from Mike and then another text package has been delivered,
so straight to the point, and so you know, in

(02:26):
an act of cowardice, I sent Tyler down to get
the package and open it.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I was willing to take a hat for the team.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
And we opened the package and it is explosives.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
It is explosives.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
It is explosives.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yep, we're not even getting it, actually is.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
It is explosives and the fun side of explosives though,
And here's the letter. So it came in a tin
box with a feather in it.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
There was one solo feather in So when I saw that.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Feather at the top, I was like, is this the
work of a serial color or something?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
This is a message and it's a bad message.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
And then there was some cotton buds and then there
was a bunch of real deal from the era. Pohas
you beauty, the funnest of firecrackers, thunderbombs. There you go,
and this with this note here, Hi, Matt and Tyler,
are you both able to dispose of the contents of

(03:25):
this tin safely? Please? Was legal in New Zealand in
the nineteen eighties. Approximately three weeks back, Matt said on
air he would give me a complimentary copy of his book.
This is my post dezets if I sent him a gift.
I hope you have an enjoyable positive season. Thanks Mike.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, Mike, we could definitely dispose of them, hopefully safely,
but we can't promise that. But what a gift. That
was magic, that has absolutely made our days.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't know if I think these need to be
into Papa.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I think they do.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I mean these are beautiful pohas. What a great
time they were.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's a hell of a thing to give up, Mike,
and we thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's even got the original wax paper. People that remember
pohrs well right now be just absolutely riddled with nostalgia.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, how good.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
That is such a thank you so much, Mike. That
has made my day.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
And I'm sure a copy of your book is hitting
his way. It's a hell of a Christmas gift. Explosives
for Christmas. That's when he boy wants.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I can find a copy floating
around and send it out to Mike.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Good on your mate good Man. If anyone else wants
to send, Poe has more than welcome.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
You know the address, But that's probably the highest level
of explosives we need sent into Z.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Nothing bigger than that. Please, please right to today's show.
After three o'clock. I want to talk about instant polls.
And this is yesterday. As we were doing the show, Matt,
you spotted an informercial that popped up on the screen
and we all turned around and started to watch this
foldable monstrosity of a pool that's got rolled out so
it could fit under your kitchen sink and then it

(04:53):
would fold out and apparently you could get the whole
family and the neighbors and every man and his dog
into this tiny little tow.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I've currently got one of those sort of big orange
canvas bags that you put rubbish in and then you
ring the people up and they come and pick the
bag up, you know, one of those.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
This this what they were calling a you know, a
summer backyard portable pool. Was essentially that with some with
some extra bats, and they had you know, a whole
family in there and friends sitting in there enjoying, enjoying,
you know, each other's soup. Wheeze. But but it got us,

(05:29):
got us talking about the old, the old, the old
temporary pool for summer.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah, above ground pool and generally I've been looking at
this the old it's like the para rubber style pall
that you whack up in the background, chuck the hose
into it. Are they all that it's cracked up to be?
Because do you have to do the whole chamozzle with
chemicals and you know the filter? Do you have to
get a pool boy around?

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I don't know if any. I don't know if any
respectable pool boy service as a par of rubber pool
in your backyard, I don't know, but we had one
when in a cad but I can't remember any details
of it. But it's so freaking hide at the moment.

Speaker 8 (06:03):
That you do.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Whatever body of water you can rustle up in your yard,
you want to rustle that up?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah. And my neighbors when I was a kid and
then neighboring farm, they dug a hole and put their
part of rubber pool in the hole. So they made
it dug in.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Oh, there's teaching quite nice. I thought, you mean they
just dug a hole and filled it with water, But yeah,
putting the pool in there, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well yeah, well, I mean that one that we saw
in the infomercial that's one of those things that you
just go to take it straight to the landfill. Now,
just pick it up and take it straight to the landfill.
But there's some good paral rub ones out there. Yeah,
we'll talk about that after three.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Looking forward to that. After two o'clock, A forty dollar
parking file.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
These are double happies. Ah, So what was the what's
the difference between the poha and a double happy?

Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's a good question. I always thought double happies were ohas,
And what are the thunderbolts? Thunderbolts must have been.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I thought it was just the brand name. Anyway. Sorry, Yeah,
off topic with our explosives. That package that we be
incent in.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Well, we'll post a photo of it and if anyone
can give us a bit of an update on that.
After two o'clock. A forty doll a parking fine has
been the subject of a judge alone trial between the
owner of the Saint James Theatre and Auckland Trends Sport AT.
So this is despite AT's parent body, the Auckland Council
Course part funding a thirty million dollar renovation for the theater.
So this is Steve Bible. He says he's disputed the

(07:19):
parking fine in court as a last resort protest over
the ludicrous refusal by AT to provide the theater with
a loading zone exemption in Lawn Street, which the building
backs onto. I mean, this is a doozy. It's another
doozy from AT that they'll find the theater owner trying
to load in equipment and stuff that they need for

(07:39):
a production. He needs a parking place right outside the theatre.
I mean, how the hell euse is he going to
get his equipment.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
AT hates cars and they want to punish anyone that
is in a vehicle that they hate them. They think
that it's a sin, It's an unforgivable sin that you
would want to transport you get yourself round in a
car forgetting that there is no alternative. You can't bring
your stuff in for construction, or for running a theater,
or for generally doing any kind of serious work on

(08:08):
a bus, can you. No, you can't. You can't. You
can't wheel it down a cycle lane. So's it's just
an ideology that is that is making it really really
hard for people to do good things for the city,
like run the Saint James Goddamn Theater.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yep, there's no flexibility in it. But we want to
have a chat to you about that after two o'clock
because right now, let's have oh just before we get
into this topic.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Okay, so I've got to the bottom of it. Yeah,
they're all just different sizes of the same thing. Right,
So pohas and double happies are just smaller thunderbolts.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Okay, and they're all and they're all, in my.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Mind come under the name pohas. Yep, right, the poh
had more bang than the standard ones. Yeah. Yeah, so
but the thunderbolt which we've been seeing is like just
big pohask. Yeah, that's the old score, bigger than double
Happies and pohas.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, that's the real deal. That's the real nineteen eighty
kick ass around the back of the garage.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Do not holding your hand, lay on the ground, light, fuse,
get away, use outdoors under adult supervision only.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
It's Mini T and T effectively. So we're looking forward
to disposing of those safely. As Mike would say a
little bit later on.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Where are we going to find an adult to supervise
us when we leave these?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Solve that one later on. Thank you very much for
those texts about the poor hers. But right now, let's
have a chat about this one. We're going to get
into it yesterday, but now is the time. So the
number of voices saying the Christmas shutdown is bad for
our productivity is growing. Started off with a business advisor
called Toss Grumbley, who said that the mentality of circle
back to February is slowing down at our productivity. Then

(09:39):
the Prime Minister, Christopher Luxen was asked about it by
Heather and now Simon Bridges, head of the Auckland Business Chambers,
said that there was objective merit in the idea that
New Zealand's summer holiday break is both too long and
in the wrong place. And I think here's the kicker,
So Simon said he spoke to international business people who
see New Zealanders as lifestylers more interested in their work

(09:59):
life balance than in growing the economy.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, oh my goodness, it's already fired up in the
text machine. People have got a lot of thoughts on this.
And look, there's been so much talk about this recently,
and we're getting to it a little bit late, don't
We're getting to it a little bit late. But I've
been actually thinking about this one for a very very
long time, and it's a very tough one because we
do need to be more productive in this country. We

(10:23):
do because we have expensive tastes, don't we We have
an expensive taste in healthcare, got an expensive taste in education,
We've got an expensive social safety net, and we're getting
taxed up the zoo and we don't have a lot
of money.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
We wreck it all up on credit. We like the
beautiful things and credit.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
And generally when you don't have a lot of money,
you don't get to dig a lot of holidays. But
as a country, we collectively some argue that.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
You know, and.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
If you're trying to get something done from about mid November,
I'd say people are less likely to start new work
from about late November, and then it's quite often hard
to get anything going again till after White Tonguey Day,
just because you can't guarantee that everyone's going to be
available and everyone's in the mix. And also, you know,
government departments shut down for a long time if you

(11:19):
need consents, you need anything sorted out there on the
ghost slow so then when they start up again, they've
got a backlock, so it can end up to be
it can end up being eight to ten weeks of
GHO slow for many sectors in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
I will say particularly in Auckland, because then you say
you've got white Toungy Day, but also you've got Auckland Anniversary,
and we work on Auckland Anniversary, Matt. We did last
year and I'm sure we will next year. Basically slave
it is basically slave labor. But you know the fact
that you've got that holiday on the twenty ninth of
jan and then you've got another holiday a week later.
That leads to a few people I think saying, yeah,

(11:56):
let's just not get into it until mid feb. What's
the point We've got holidays at the wazoo, yes, summer, yes.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
But also the long holiday is deeply KEIWK. Can't picture
our country without that. It's when I pitch in New Zealand,
I picture us sort of wandering around amongst the at
the beach and flip flops with terrible sunburns and forgetting
what day it is. Slow days, you know, forgetting about

(12:25):
your real life. You know, the long Christmas summer break.
I mean, is that the whole point of New Zealand.
Is that more New Zealand than anything else? And is
the real assure our productivity in the rest of the year,
you know, Is that why we've got the lowest productivity
in the OECD? It's not. Surely it's not the summer break.
Surely it's the processes for the rest of the year.

(12:46):
And I would rather have a country that sorts everything
out such that we have this fantastic holiday break.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
I would argue our proctivity, our productivity is probably pretty
good on October, maybe early November, as we try to
wrap up everything we need to before the end of
the year. But I think you've zeroed in on the
important point. I am at. Do we want what many
see as a key we ride a passage over summer
for the sake of losing a little bit productivity? Are
we okay being right at the top of the OECD

(13:13):
list in terms of poorous productivity as long as we
can have a fantastic, enjoyable summer where we get to
do all those beautiful things.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, well, your thoughts on this? Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the text number eighteen past one.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 8 (13:32):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US talks.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
That'd be for a good afternoon due twenty one past one.
So the Christmas shutdown period, there has been some arguments
that that has a play on for our productivity in
terms of being a low productivity country. Do you care
about that or is it a key? We write a
passage show eight hundred and eighty ten eighty get.

Speaker 9 (13:55):
A Joe, Hi, how are.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
You very good? What do you reckon?

Speaker 9 (14:00):
I reckon that One of the things is that our
Christmas holiday coincides for that summer break. So if you're
in Europe, your summer break is in the middle of
the year, right as key, we we don't take an
enforced break during the year. We take it at the
end of the year. So I work for a pretty

(14:23):
large European automotive country company and they shut down for
six weeks from end of June to mid August and
nothing happens. And that happens quite a lot throughout Europe.
So I just wonder if we get a little bit
kind of because we don't take a big break in

(14:44):
the middle.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
Of the year.

Speaker 9 (14:46):
We save it all for the end of the year
and that kind of the issue.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, but does that make exacerbate the issue because then
you have got all that time when they're not doing business,
and we've got all our time when we're not business
doing business and they're doing business, so effectively we get
twice the shutdown as they do.

Speaker 9 (15:10):
Yeah, but they take Christmas. So if you're in Europe,
you would take the days in between Christmas and New Year.
I mean for me personally, I take those days. I
go back around the eighth of Jan and that's me
and then I save you know, holiday through the middle
of the year.

Speaker 10 (15:27):
As well as to have that break because.

Speaker 9 (15:29):
That's good for your mental health. And you you know,
you're saying, I see to have a break throughout the year.
So yeah, I just I don't know what the right
answer is, because if we keep on going, then at
some point people need to stop and have a break.
Do you think people don't really want to have a
break in the middle of the year unless you're going

(15:50):
overseas and not everyone can afford it because of the weather.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, but I guess it'll be the same amount of breaks.
But the idea would be that you would split them
up or you know, or some parts of the economy
keep going with potentially away because because when I worked
in the UK, when I worked in the UK, when
I worked in the UK, one was back at work
on the second of jan basically.

Speaker 9 (16:12):
Yeah, and you had a break in the middle of
their right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, so they were kind of they were kind of
off from the twenty fourth to the second. So it's
more sort of eastery in the way that they treated
Christmas over there. I mean, you're you're right, it's just
a function it is. You're absolutely right, though, Joe. It's
a function of us being being in the southern hemisphere
and doing a lot of business in the Northern hemisphere.

(16:36):
So so you think it's just the way it is
and we just have to work it out and just
up our productivity in other parts of the year.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (16:46):
Absolutely, But you know you've got ten even months or whatever,
you know, go hard and then everyone can have a
break in the middle of the air or at.

Speaker 11 (16:56):
The end of the year.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, thank you for you cool, Joe. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number of cool? Love to hear your thoughts. The Christmas slowdown,
is it too long? Or is it just right the
way it is? It is twenty four past.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Debate has fired up over whether our long summer break
is too long.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Christoph Schumacher is a professor of innovation and economics at
Massi University.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
As summer breaks too long?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, our summer break is long compared to the rest
of the world.

Speaker 7 (17:25):
But I think the question is not is it too long?

Speaker 6 (17:27):
The question should be can we afford it?

Speaker 7 (17:29):
Well?

Speaker 8 (17:29):
I mean, you wouldn't be doing it if you couldn't
afford it, would you.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, Look, in the last ten years, our productivity growth
rate has gone from one point two percent, which is
why the OCD average with zero point two percent, and.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
We now are ranked sixty third out of sixty seven countries.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
So our productivity is rather low.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Hither Duplessy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with the Defender and US togs dere'd be.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Twenty seven past one, So we're talking about the Christmas
shutdown period. There's been more voices come to the foresaying
it's too long and it slows down our productivity and
we need to change it. What do you say our
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call Tony.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
You have spent a few Christmas in England. I believe
I was born.

Speaker 12 (18:12):
There for years.

Speaker 11 (18:14):
The London, the Colination Street, it got darker past by
half past four. It was almost soon by this time
of year. And I arrived in New Zealand in September
nineteen seventy two. The sun was shining. Came into Wellington.
The only bit of flat land you could see was
the wrong way. And I hope, my god, they're not

(18:35):
going to try and line and played this size there.

Speaker 8 (18:38):
But they did.

Speaker 11 (18:39):
And I've enjoyed my life here in New Zealand thoroughly.
And the holiday is exactly what it should be. I mean,
any country where you could start your holidays on Christmas
Eve you work, you have a couple of days off.
If you could work it, you get three days unpaid leave.
Then you have another couple of days at New Year.
A little bit down the track, it's Wellington Anniversary. A

(19:02):
little bit further than that, they had what they then
called New Zealand Day early February. Everything close that the
legal system closed up until the sixth of February, and
I worked at the bank and started my work in
a bank in England, and we didn't get holidays. We
had two days at Christmas and Boxing Day. New Year's

(19:23):
Day is not a holiday in England except it was
a half day.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
You worked for half a.

Speaker 11 (19:29):
Day as a concession. And then you wonder and you're
complaining about it. For God's sake, Now, this is the
other side of the world. It's a different world. And
of course the world is a lot smaller place now
than it was fifty years ago.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
So what what do you think people are complaining about, Tony?

Speaker 7 (19:46):
What? What?

Speaker 8 (19:47):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
What do you think the complainers that you put the
complaints that you're putting back on.

Speaker 11 (19:53):
I said, I cannot see what the complaint is. This
is it just we're just lucky that Christmas is in summer,
and it's if you've ever lived in England for a
long period of time, Christmas is a miserable, bloody time.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
You can't go out.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's always annoying that that's not the complaint. The complaint
is that we're off for so long that it affects
product productivity and you know, people can't get anything done
around that time.

Speaker 11 (20:19):
Well, that's always been the cats. So what's the problem.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well, I mean you've rung up and you're sort of yeah.
So the prigm, well that we're asking what the problem is,
if there's a problem, or whether whether it's just a
fantastic thing that we should celebrate or the fact that
our country is not earning enough money, and part of
that problem might be, as has been suggested by by

(20:43):
Toss and backed up by Simon Bridges, that it is
a problem for us getting things done.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, so Tony loves chrismas he loves us some holiday.
Good on you, Tony, But no point getting annoyed at
the discussion. So there's the whole point about the debate.
But nice to hear from your mate. Right, it is
bang on one point thirty. We are taking your calls. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty around the Christmas shutdown
doesn't need to be rethought. But we're also going to
catch up with Simon Kur, ACTMP and Undersecretary for RMA

(21:11):
reform that has just been released and it is a
huge piece of legislation. So we'll go through that with
Simon Court next. It is twenty nine to two back
for soon.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Youth talks.

Speaker 8 (21:26):
Ad be headlines with blue.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble. The
government's released details of it's makeover of the Resource Management
to Act, including two new bills to slash some rules,
reduce the need for many consents and speed some up.
More than one hundred existing council plans will reduce to
seventeen regional ones, and councils will be required to have

(21:49):
more long term planning for roads, pipes, power networks and
renewable energy projects. Police have announced the hunting thirty six
year old Adrian Parney after one person was fatally stabbed
and another seriously injured on a bus in East Auckland
last night, is considered dangerous and shouldn't be approached. A
devastating house fire in mun o Wati this morning is

(22:12):
being described as complex. Two people still haven't been found
since the Foxton Beach property went up in flames about
five am. Police Assistant Commissioner Paul Basham's appointed a top
lawyer following a damning police watchdog report involving then Decuity
Commissioner Jevan mcskimming. The Trade Minister says he's deep in

(22:32):
negotiations with India and is close to securing a free
trade agreement. Aren Z Rising Sunary and staff Costs. Treasury
wants government to ensure executives are being held to account.
See this and more from Media Insider at zid Herald Premium.
Now back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Thank you very much, ray Lean. So as you heard
in Railings headlines, the government says its makeover of the
Resource Management Act is a once in a generation shift.
The overhall has two new bills that slash some rules,
reduces a need for many consents, and speeds some up.
Joining us now on the phones as Simon Court Act
MP and Under Secretary for our m A Reform Simon,

(23:11):
very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
Good afternoon Tyler.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
It's Matt as well. Simon.

Speaker 8 (23:16):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (23:17):
Oh Matt, how are you?

Speaker 13 (23:19):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I didn't want to be forgotten. Hey and look beer
with us because we're just looking through this right now.
But from what I can understand, you're cutting consent and
permit numbers by forty six percent. So what are the
key things people will now be able to do on
their property or in their businesses without needing consent.

Speaker 7 (23:38):
Well, I've experienced this firsthand, Matt, as a civil engineer
for nearly twenty five years. I've had to get consents,
I've had to get private plan changes through. I've had
to explain to planners over and over. You know, how
you manage it works so that the selt doesn't end
up in the stream and so trucks don't end up
tracking mud out on the road. By the time you've
done this a dozen times, and then imagine that around

(24:00):
the country, key wes have done this thousands and thousands
of times over you So, why are we still explaining
the same thing to planners when we already know how
to manage these effects. Well, so what we're doing in
the system, as we're simplifying, we're going to introduce national
standards for common activity is going to have far fewer plans.
But your question around, how do we make sure we've

(24:20):
got fewer consents? How do we know we're actually asking
the planning system to do less. We've slimmed the scope
right down. The old roma was all around sustainable management.
You know these kind of concepts that came out of
the nineteen eighties, the un sustainable development goals. It was
all vibes back then. We've just said simply, what do
we need to manage to protect the environment, and what

(24:41):
do we need to manage. So as a private property owner,
you can do more with your land. So we're going
to have far fewer plans, fewer rules, national standards that say, look,
you want to do some land development, we want to
do some clearing. As long as you follow these standards,
you won't have to ask for consent. And that's one
of the ways we're going to reduce a number of
consents demanded from say forty plus thousand a year down

(25:03):
to around twenty thousand a year in the new system.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
So practically, just in a personal level, on putting in
a non sweet bathroom, the cacents are quite punishing. Will
this help me with that?

Speaker 7 (25:14):
Well, if you've got a heritage house right now, in fact,
the councilor might have rules about what you're allowed to
do with the inside of your house. And so in
the new system, we're going to say, look, the inside
of your property is no longer something that counsels and
the resource management system is going to be looking at.
If the effects are only on you, then there's no
need for rules around that. The consents required. You know,

(25:36):
for things about which way your front door faces, the
color of your front door, the internal layout of your home.
All of those things are currently able to be litigated
through the RMA. In the new system, they won't be right.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Could be good news for you, Matt, So just explain
to us the idea of this regulatory relief provision. How
does that going to work? Is that effectively, if a
person's property is negatively affected by council planning decisions, they
may be able to claim relief from that council.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
That's right. As an act MP and a champion of
property rights, I'm so proud of the regulatory relief measures
in this legislation. We've heard from farmers and property owners
around the country that council officers pick up the felz
and they start coloring in maps with sensitive natural areas
and heritage overlays and cultural overlays, and they don't really

(26:30):
face the costs of their decisions. Because if you're a
private property owner and I spoke to a woman up
in the Mochi near Tai Happi a few months ago,
seventy percent of farm had been painted over with sensitive
natural areas or outstanding landscapes. Look, it is a beautiful property,
but there's only half a dozen people ever see it
in a given year, and a few farmers who drive

(26:52):
past every day. But what it meant was a huge
loss in value. The ability to develop that property, even
to put in a fence or cut a track would
have needed a resource consent. So in the news system,
if councils want to do that, firstly, there's going to
be a much higher thresholder. It's going to have to
be truly significant or outstanding, not just recons from a
council officer with a clipboard. And if they do insist

(27:15):
that they want to apply these controls to someone's property,
they're going to have to offer them either rates relief,
a cash grant, or it could be something simpler that
doesn't actually cost the council any money, such as biodiversity
credits or the ability to develop another part of that
property in a much more intensive way. So we don't
want to force a whole lot of cost on councils,
but we want to force the cost of making these

(27:37):
decisions that harm private property owners. We want to force
them to face those decisions.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
You begin at a pushback on this though, what you
simon from environmental groups and heritage.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
Groups, Well, that's not what we've heard, mat because what
they do like is that a separate piece of legislation,
a Natural Environment Bill we're introducing next week, will say look,
we need to set environmental limits and around the country,
whether it's fresh water or a biodiversity, those people doing

(28:08):
development need to meet those limits. We've got a transparent
way of setting the limits. We're not going to have
every council to a choose your own adventure about water quality.
A lot of the stuff is going to be standardized.
We want it to be simple, and we want it
to be introduced and implemented within the next couple of years.
So I think from an environmental NGO point of view,

(28:28):
we're actually hearing that they're generally supportive of the direction
of this reform, which.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Is happening something that will be music to a lot
of people's ears. I think simon is the public participation rights.
They're being narrowed to affected parties so effectively, if you
want to put up a new fence, will put up
a new tree. The only people who can jump on
board on the submission process are your next door neighbors.
No longer people up and down the country saying we're
worried about the flight path of birds. It's just going

(28:53):
to be the next door neighbors who can make submissions.

Speaker 7 (28:57):
Yeah, that's right. When it comes to the planning bill,
that's absolutely clear that only those who are directly affected,
like neighbors, and who are affected in a way that
is more than minor, will get to be notified. And
that's quite different from the current system, where obviously sometimes
council planners will say, oh, we're not sure who's affected,

(29:17):
we're going to publicly notify it. I mean, that's a
horrific thing to hear if you're trying to build a
home or do a development, because it basically means that
instead of negotiating with a few neighbors about effects, all
of a sudden, every Tom, Dick and Harry can pile in.
And you know, we've seen that with the wantaka McDonald's.
We've seen that with the t row Starbucks. You know,
these are people who just want to run a franchise.

(29:39):
You know, kiwis like you and I trying to get
ahead to want to employ people. And yet you've got
all kinds of groups from you know, Health New Zealand
or you know, save New Zealand from overpriced iced coffees
piling in and saying that you shouldn't be allowed to
do it. Turn a new system. We're raising the threshold

(30:00):
in terms of what effects are considered by the system
and also really narrowing who can object and flea.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
How much you're expected to save with the government to
save through this process, Simon, I've just looking at some
numbers here, but it's roughly about three point one billion
dollars a year.

Speaker 7 (30:18):
Potentially. We're aiming to all the projections we've seen that
we can increase GDP by over half of percent a
year between now in twenty fifty, which is a huge
return to New Zealand and the billions of dollars a
year of extra economic activity. But we're also have identified
over thirteen billion dollars in savings to not just government

(30:41):
but also the keywis who have to apply for all
of these consents. So that's going to have a material
impact on bottom line, but it's also going to just
free people up to build the things that kiwis want.
We want warm, dry homes and places that are close
to where we live, close to where we play and work.
We want decent roads that can be built in a

(31:02):
decent time frame and not held up for years and
years and years with kind of random or relitigating environmental
issues that can be quite simply dealt with. So look,
great savings, great economic opportunities. And as a civil engineer
who's battled the resource management system for over twenty five
nearly twenty five years before I was elected to Parliament
in twenty twenty, I'm really proud of what we've achieved

(31:25):
here Today.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
We're talking to Simon Court, ACTMP and Under Secretary for
RMA reform. Here's a text for you. My worry is
that cowboys will rule supreme.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
What do you say to that, Well, look, I'd love
for cowboys to be able to roam the prairie of
New Zealand without having to worry about council officers with
clipboards coming and telling them you can't ride there. It's
a centitive natural area. We've got to find this balance right.
New Zealanders love the environment that we live and that's

(31:57):
why people choose to move to places that are own,
like places like Titangi, where I used to live.

Speaker 14 (32:02):
In the bush or near the bush.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
We want to.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
Protect those things. We've already got ways to protect them
with cove and it's under say the q E two
covenants for sensitive natural Environments. People do that voluntarily, So
there's plenty of protection for the natural environment in the
Natural Environment Bill. And I would encourage your listeners, those
who want to make a submission to do that through

(32:25):
the parliamentary process. That'll be through Environment Committee, and I
understand submissions will open towards the end of next week,
once we've read those bills in the House for the
first time.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
So best case scenario for you, when will this all happen.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
We're going to get these two pieces of legislation, a
new Planning Bill a new Natural Environment Bill passed by
the middle of next year. And then in parallel, we're
going to be delivering what's called the National Direction Package
and National Standards for planning because we can't have the
current over one thy one hundred different zones across sixty
seven councils. In the new system, we're going to standardize

(33:01):
which zones councils can pick from, and they're not going
to be doing choose your own adventure when it comes
to planning their cities, so all of these things, national direction,
national standards have to flow on very quickly. Next year
councils will be doing their new plans under the new
system in twenty twenty seven. We aim to have the
whole thing wrapped up within three years, by twenty twenty
nine fully implemented, so we are going gangbusters. It's pedaled

(33:24):
to the medal. Quite a different approach to the previous
government's ten years to implement stuff, and it was going
to be more complicated, So I'm confident we can get there.
Christopership and I are are going to continue to keep
an eye on the stuff and make sure that it's
delivered in the way we anticipate.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
There are some significant changes and Simon, you've got a
big afternoon ahead of you, no doubt, but really appreciate
you coming on and discussing.

Speaker 7 (33:50):
Thanks Tyler, Thanks Matt.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
That is Simon Courts, under Secretary for the RMA reform
and also act MP. There'll be plenty more to come
on that as the afternoon progresses, but we are going
to get back to our discussion about the Christmas shutdown
and whether that needs to be rethought, so taking more
of your calls on O it hundred eighty ten eighty.
It is fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
News Talk said b it is eleven two two.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's a great text here I have to share out
from Phil. It says, hey, sire, send a text message to.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Nine two nine two great texts text of the week.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
That just really sort of cuts through the bs.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
That text, it certainly does. That puts it all into perspective.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Al Right, what are we talking about, Tyler. We're back
on track.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
We're back on track. It's been all go this hour.
But we're going back to our discussion about the Christmas shutdown.
So there's a number of people who are questioning whether
that's the right time and whether we need to have
a bit of a change around because a lot of
people start to shut down in November and don't get
back into it until fab What do you say.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Olwen, welcome to the show. If I said your name correctly.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
Are you sure I have Matthew Trevor.

Speaker 14 (35:00):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
How are ye?

Speaker 7 (35:01):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
That's right? Yeah, they've learned his name down at the cafe.
Now it only took a year, but they got it
today today day. Actually you just see the regular place
and they remembered your order even yeah, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
And that was that was a big day for me.
It's only taken a year, and how many coffees. I
probably spend ten thousand dollars down there.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
But it's a little things that matter anyway, yours please
it is so.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
I work in education in Auckland. We've talked before about reading,
but I also sort of accidentally own the Russell Booking
and Information Center and a small art shop in the
Bay of Islands.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
So one thing that we forget. There are lots of
little places around New Zealand, a little sometimes woodyanger, the
Bay of Islands, Reglin, all sorts of places that were
at the Coromandel, of course, that rely on the summer

(36:02):
holidays or their annual income. So yep, maybe Central Auckland,
Central Wellington and other places sort of closed down a bit,
but these places that need these illness us to go
there to spend some money, to take a fishing, chance,
to go out yachting, to stay in some accommodation, to

(36:26):
buy from the local products and things like that because
that's a part of the New Zealand economy.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, that's a very good point. So you got us policelickers.
We work all year and make our money and we
need to spread it around the businesses outside of Ponsonby Road.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yeah, and can you imagine, Well, I mean, I know
you guys will know that the Bay of Islands is
just a beautiful place. We have yachting charters, we had
fishing charters. You can go out in the hole in
the rock. We had a lady from America yesterday who
brought us photos in for I don't know how many
dolphins just went jumping all around the boat. And this

(37:06):
is a part of our culture and part of our productivity.
And if we don't enhance it and promote it, you know,
GDP is not as good and if you want to
go down that way. So we need to have a
situation where both New Zealanders but also New Zealand's encouraging
people coming here for tourism spend money in these areas

(37:29):
because otherwise they just get neglected.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
How much you would let's just say, because you know,
whenever you go away on the summer holiday, you get
acquainted with your beach fish and chip shop, right, that
becomes very important to you and your beach dairy just
you know, you know, they're just the sort of meet
and veg meet and veg for one of a better
word businesses for summer. What percentage you reckon of their
yearly business comes from that long Christmas break?

Speaker 6 (37:56):
Okay, from from experience running those two businesses for the
last few years. People talk about the shoulder. So the
shoulder is kind of September, October and November. We start
to get more people beginning to come through. And again
that's important Russell and the Bay of Islands and the

(38:19):
further North and that really is the winterless North, and
I think it's the country. We need to promote those
areas like we have won and Queenstown where it's now
an all year round tourism venture.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Right.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
I would say that, let's say from December the first
until the end of April, I would say that seventy
percent of the business comes through that time.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, wow, that is significant. That is a great logical argument.
I think he started to to me, actually, nothing wrong
with the summer holidays. Back in a moth it is
seven to two.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Matd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
News TALKSB. It is four minutes to two plenty of
texts coming through and.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
New Zealand' productivity isn't low because of Christmas, it's because
of all the extra sick days and the days that
people like to take, making them long weekends. Yeah, man,
a lot of sick days, a lot.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Of people taking sick days, certainly is Yeah, we're going
to keep this one going because so many people want
to have a chat about this and we're really keen
to have a chat with you. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is our summer holiday shutdown too long?
And is it in the wrong place? Love to get
your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
What a bunch of simple hobbits we are and the
Iroquois are on their way. Have a good one your
muppets regards Mark.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah, a lot of love a net text.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Here's a bit of Gwen Stefani's singing about Christmas.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Stay right here and news, sport and weather fast approaching
but taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Well, how did do you welcome back into the show?
Six past two?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Now, if you were listening before, you would know that
we got a text saying I'm dropping off a package
for Matt and Tyler at Newstalk ZB. I'll be in
a few minutes. And then we got to follow up
text saying the package has been delivered. And then I thought,
I wonder if this is an explosive device, so I
sent Tyler down to get it.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
You did.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
You stayed up on the first floor, me down into.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
The hiding under the desk, and then you went down
and you brought back up this tin that I have
in front of me now, and we opened it up
and it was an explosive device.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
It absolutely was.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
It was original Poeharts, like thirty five year old fire crackers.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeap, the original, the original Poora.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
The beloved ones, and I described them as Pohas and
some people excidency, no, they're double happies. But I said
on the packet it says thunderbomb. But the Great New
Zealander Mike who sent this letter in with it, which
basically said where's this letter? And when we opened it up,
it was just a feather, one feather. I'd like to
know from Mike if you're still listening to what the
one feather meant, because when you opened it up, Tyler,

(41:26):
it was like, is this from a serial killer and
they're sending a message with just one feather on some cotton.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
But it was a worry, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (41:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
But he basically said, are you both able to dispose
of the contents of this and safely?

Speaker 7 (41:38):
Please?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
They were legal in New Zealand the nineteen eighties and
it just said send me a copy of your book
for these, Matt, So I will you so we'll see them.
He just texted back in to clarify and what I
was talking about for Hi, guys, I've been driving but
heard your reaction an hour ago, just the reaction I
was hoping for. Those ones were a special edition that
came out one year and are extra allowed, So these

(42:00):
are just basically extra loud Pohars or double haired. Due
to that, I've kept them for thirty five years. They
still work like the day I bought them. Looking forward
to reading Matt's book. From Mike, what a great buddy gift.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, what an awesome New Zealander. Anyone else who's got
semi legal contraband that they want to send our way
and we take it.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
And the funny thing is I bought a piece of
art when I was in Coramndeltown recently, which was just
a depiction, a painting of a packet of poharts. Yep,
just because I had such great memories of them. There's
a lot of no soldier there, so that that picture
is on my wall. I've just forgotten the name of
the artist, but I'll look him up again.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Not Dick Frazzel.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
No, it wasn't Dick. I look it up. But it
was a great piece of art that I got. And
now I've got the real deal.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
How good, Mike, you're a great great man. They're going
to go down to treat safely, we should say, well not,
We'll figure out what to do with them.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I probably won't let them off in the my Costing
Memorial studio, Yeah, or will.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I That quad's looking pretty empty at the moment. We
could just let off a few and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, surely, surely it can't do much too much damage
in this rubbishpin full of screwed up.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
It's a paper beside me here, right, Let's get back
to our discussion you have been having and love to
get your thoughts. So e one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number. So there is a bunch of
people and prominent people who are saying that our Christmas
shutdown is bad for productivity. It started off with an
opinion piece from a business advisor, Toss Grumley, who said
the mentality of circle back in fab seems to start

(43:25):
in late November or early December. The Prime Minister Chris
Luxan was asked about it by Heather do police see
Allen on this station and he said personally he gets
back to work in early jan and now. Si'mer bridge
is head of the Auckland Business Chamber, said there was
objective merit in the idea that it's too long and
in the wrong place, and he also said he's spoken
to international business people who see New Zealanders as lifestylers.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yes, so I gues the two sides of the argument
are New Zealand loses momentum, doesn't it effectively pausing the
economy for you could argue in this article argues Tas
argues eight to ten weeks doesn't he which deglays critical decisions,
reduces productivity at a time when growth is already very
very soft in New Zealand. And maybe a shorter, more

(44:09):
efficient break would keep the country aligned with global business
rhythms and improved output. Because if you've got them shutting
down in summer and US shutting down in summer, that's
effectively us being shut down for twice the time compared
to the Northern hemisphere. But then again, New Zealand's summers,
the long summer, it's our national identity. It's one of
the most kiwi things, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Beautiful time a year.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
It's that rear time. You know, family cohesion, spend time
with the family, camping spot, health and happiness. And you know,
if we cut it simply to be like the work
cultures overseas, then you know, are we just going to
blow our mental health? And you know, and a road
one of the few lifestyle benefits can we still have

(44:51):
one of the few great things. When people look at
New Zealand, you go that time and your stubbies going
back a bit and your flip flops yep, birkinstocks and
you're singy, sunburned and not knowing what bloody data is.
Great memories may still happen, and spending time with the kids,
you know, yeah, should camping?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
I think one. You know, we get a lot of
pushback on the idea that we do anything different for
the old summer holidays, and it's a kiwriter passage. As
you say, I generally think Kiwis do work hard for
the majority of the year. We talk about low productivity,
but if you get a KeyWe going over to work
in Australia and nine times out of ten they say
how lazy the Aussies are. They work a thirty eight
hour week. Everything's held up by health and safety. If

(45:34):
there's any chance to put down tools and not do
any work, the Aussies will take it. And it's a
frustration for a lot of Kiwi workers that they see
that and like, boys, what are we doing. We've got
a job to do. We're going to wrap this up
so we can go home and actually enjoy our time,
you know. For I think the mentality for a lot
of Kiwi's apart from this time of year is that
we stay until the job is done. But then when
we get to the end of the year, we've worked

(45:55):
our butts off that we feel now is the time
that we can have a good breather and then kackas
in the new year again.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
What do you think? What do you think about this?
T one hundred and eighty ten eighty this Texas Massive
amounts of money gets spent over the some break. Yeah,
and we had a fantastic call pointing out that in
many ways that long break is disseminating the money earned
in the big cities out into the small beach towns
and the resort towns and moving stuff around the country

(46:23):
and that sort of regional economy absolutely depends on it,
especially Northland and such. But the six says absolutely not.
I'm shattered by the nineteenth. Three weeks off at this
point is needed. I don't even know how you would
shift a holiday period around Christmas boxing in years are
we expected to work through all that? Leave my holidays alone?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Thank you keep those techs coming through ninety two nine two,
But we really are keen to have a chat with
you on oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is
thirteen past two.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
It is sixteen past two, so we're talking about the
summer break. There's been a few prominent voices come to
the four that it's too long. It's shut down for
eight weeks to ten weeks, and certainly with the mentality
that you wrap things up in November and don't get
back to it till fab So do things need a
change or is that a ride a passage is a
key week.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, so a few people have texted along this line,
Who the hell shuts down for eight to ten weeks
when we only get four weeks leave a year. But
the argument is that there's no guarantee that people are
going to be back, so everything gets put off and
so people shove it in neutral yep, and cruise into Christmas,
just just coast into Christmas. And as I was saying before,

(47:44):
I've got a friend who unfortunately lost his job sort
of end of October at the beginning of November, and
the recruiting agency was like, no one's bothering to do
the due diligence of trying to hire someone now, so
you might as well get back to us in February.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Which sucks.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Well, I understand where they come and from, because that
person doesn't want to work, because that person in the
recruitment office, he's there the whole time. Yeah, it's just
you can't the people in different companies, You can't guarantee
who's going to be there, and everyone just gets this
mindset that you kind of have to put things off
till after white tonguey day.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Ye you mentally switched off until that time.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, Yeah, you just can't guarantee that. And you know,
you've got the government agencies, councils and stuff that shut down,
and when they open up again, they've got a backlog
and no real motivation to clear it. So we just
get this sort of bottleneck where things don't get done
and then it takes a long time to start up.
Things don't get started before the break because people are

(48:41):
thinking about the break, and then they don't get started
after the breaks. People are coming back at different times,
and also, you know there's the bottleneck yeah, from being
closed down. So that's the argument. So we're not saying
that people are taking eight weeks or ten weeks off.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Certainly not, it's just.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
There's a sort of a ghost slow that happens.

Speaker 12 (48:59):
Tom, your thoughts, Yeah, I think, I mean, I'm the
belief of the long period like a low productivity.

Speaker 14 (49:09):
I think it's basically it's a mess or maybe or
even like a short sighted bill mm hmm. Yeah, I
believe because I believe, I mean the I believe of
long enough and the high quality in the high quality

(49:34):
holiday periods, and I mean it's actually good for you know,
for the it's it's sustainable and it's good for high
quality outputs. I mean afterwards, I mean after the after
the Christmas or after the holiday.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
So you think you come back, you come back, you
come back from the holidays. Everyone comes back roaring and
recharged and kicks as you know, for the first.

Speaker 14 (49:56):
If you shortened that, it's actually it's actually bad for
the for the morole, I mean after all.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
M I guess one of the arguments, though, Tom, is
that the rest of the world is is operational at
this time, and you know, we're in a global economy
right now, and so overseas people trying to do business
here get the perception because they shut in this summer
they've had, they have their breaking in the time they
wish they were shut down when they need to do

(50:22):
business with us, and so we miss out.

Speaker 14 (50:25):
I mean there's a loss of I mean reasons or
causes for no productive productivity. But I believe the primary
courses in here, especially in New Zealand, I believe it's
nothing to do with all this. I believe it's it
should be tied with the government policy. I mean the
compliance with the Council, the retakes, all the other regulations.

(50:50):
These are the main issues for all the countries. For
the so called the no productivity, I mean you should
I mean the personal court production. They should always look
up for the policy site for the for the you know,
for the regulation site for the compliance side in instead
of pupils.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah, I think there's a lot in that time. We're
not saying that that's the core reason we've got low productivity.
Obviously there's other reasons, but just on that. You know,
there's a lot of people that have the Christmas shutdown
for four weeks because it's a business decision and because
that's the way it's always been. But what that means
for a lot of work is is they have to
save up all of their annual leave for the end
of the year, so they run ragged for eight months

(51:31):
of the year. And I don't know if that's a
healthy way to operate it. Doesn't it make more sense
that if there's a change in culture that you take
a week that is completely off work, you're not on
your emails, you switch off completely, you get a breather,
say in March, then you take another week in July,
then you take two weeks at Christmas. Isn't that a
better way to operate mentally than just going hammer and

(51:52):
to your rints by November? You can't be bothered until
fab and you're going to take you four weeks in
one go.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, I also agree. I think Tom's got a good
point there as well. The idea of you know, I
kind of think productivity is like a piano accordion, So
you know, in the amount of work you get done, right,
So people always go, oh, you're stuck in traffic, So
that is that is lower productivity. No, I think people
can only get a certain amount done and so if
they're stuck in traffic, they get more done when they

(52:18):
get it to work, you know what I mean. Yeah,
the idea that people go hard all the time, so
you know, there's no guarantee that if you just cut
the holiday back down that people wouldn't just generally speak
and go a little bit slower throughout the entire year.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
It's a great analogy. You love that taking your calls
on Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the Christmas shutdown?
Is it too long? And is it in the right place?
It is twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk Z'B.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Afternoon to you. So we're talking about the Christmas shutdown.
There's been some criticism that it is not good for
our economy when mentally a lot of businesses start to
check out round about November and circle back in February.
But what do you say, oh eight hundred and eighteen.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Eighty The sixer says, there's an argument for the way
people tend to switch off far to early and do
take a bit too long to get back into it.
But I definitely think that for a four week period
during the Christmas year, summer break to recharge is so good.
Spend time at the beach with family, and friends. It's
a good thing. Yeah, I mean, part of me thinks
that if we've got a productivity problem, let's fix it
out up during the rest of the year, and maybe

(53:27):
there needs to be some people that stay hands on deck.
So you know, people are talking a lot about the
problems they have with government departments shutting down and then
taking along to them start. Maybe some of those people
have to stay at the pumps and things are workable
for the people that are staying on. There's a lot
of people that have to work on all across, a
lot of people in the trades of course, the tourism industry,

(53:47):
hospital industry, they have to keep things going.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
It's fair in the public service.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
So maybe it's the public service needs to keep going
at that time and take their holidays a bit more
spread out across the year, so the country is operational
if you want to use it, if you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, apart from that productivity in the rest of the year,
because it is so good to have this holiday, so
maybe we make sure that we work out economy such
that we can have this amazing thing.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Interesting, one hundred and eighty teen eighty is that number?
Yvon Or. Yvonne, Sorry, how are you?

Speaker 14 (54:22):
I'm fine, boy?

Speaker 15 (54:23):
Is your standing good as usual? I'll wait into this.
One of the things that you both have overlocked is
the fact that how impractical is it to take a
heart day in the middle of July when your kids
are at school. School teacher's di nicity about you taking
them out of school.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
It would have to the change would have to be
hand in hand. That would be That would actually be
the key change. If the government was going to change this,
they'd have to change the school holiday time, wouldn't they.

Speaker 7 (54:52):
Try that one?

Speaker 15 (54:56):
But it's not really fake. I've worked in the stress,
working in the in the tourist industry. Christmas is full on.
You need more hands on than normal.

Speaker 11 (55:08):
Trade.

Speaker 15 (55:09):
Think those sort of things they needed continuous. I mean
I'm striking there for already you on a couple of trading. Sorry,
we're closing down. Well, I work seven days in an industry,
the seven days a week. You want to buy beer
on Sunday on Christmas Eve, but you don't actually want
to work for me Christmas Eve? Well, yeah, I for that.

Speaker 6 (55:31):
Yeah, I think yeah realistically, and.

Speaker 15 (55:35):
Think of it from the employer's point of view. He's
also got to maintain a trade and maintain a business
to keep the cash work going.

Speaker 16 (55:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (55:45):
Nice to have four weeks, but not very practical.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, thanks so much for you cool, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
I never minded working over Christmas to a certain extent.
I mean, when you're younger, it's a bit easier to
try and push through over some of the Christmas dates
and you get paid a little bit more money. But
I get it gets a bit tougher as you get older,
when you've got families, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
This topic is just Tory nonsense from you fascists. What
are the holidays and productively stats for a strict Earlia,
South Africa and half of the South American companies at
this time of the year, And who the hell wants
to take all their holidays in July with our shitty weather.
We are in a different hemisphere, different worlds.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
Do we do?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
We have Tory in New Zealand? Is that I feel
that's slipping in? I mean, toy is a British thing, right.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
It's such a UK sledge? Is it a sledge?

Speaker 11 (56:26):
It is?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It just means, it just means sort of the right
wing parties, right, Yeah, Tory I I've just seen it
come through in a few techs. I feel like I'm
watching that old TV show my parents used to watch,
Yest Minister.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Great show. By the way, Yes, Prime Minister, thank you
very much for that text. Bruce, how are you mate?

Speaker 14 (56:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (56:43):
Hi guys, yeah good. The holiday, the holiday thing, it's
I reckon, it's it's a cultural thing in New Zealand.
But what do you guys reckon? And you've touched on
it before, and it's just a psyche that we have
of going on holiday m and you know, just a
sort of case and point when you work, when you

(57:06):
work overseas and come back to New Zealand. The thing
that struck me is that the country is actually in
slow motion most of the time. And what I'm saying
there is talking about the mentality like we just had
a long weekend a while ago, and the whole week
preceding that, all the conversation on the radio and everybody

(57:28):
was talking about the long weekend. You know, we were
focused on a day off, a day off, and then
I tried to get something done on Friday and that
closed shop at two o'clock. I had to come back
on Tuesday. That was five days to get a simple
job done. They could have could have knocked off in
the afternoon. So I've also I also read somewhere that

(57:53):
we actually publish articles where employees told how to work
the holiday system so they get the most days off,
paid for their paid for the paid for by their employer,
were doing the least work. And just one couple of
other final comments. We talk about a work life balance

(58:15):
in this country and burnout. I've worked in other countries
all over the world and they never talk about burnout
or work life balance. And from where I'm seeing, I
could not imagine many New Zealand workers suffering from burnout or.

Speaker 7 (58:31):
Or work overload.

Speaker 11 (58:32):
We you know, we really, we really are a country
in slow motion. It's hard to say it when.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
That's so true, Bruce, When people when you come back
from overseas, when I've been working in London or Los Angeles,
even or when I've been in India and I come
back to New Zealand, the pace of life here is
very slow. Even the pace of conversation is very very slow,
and we do we do tend to circle our conversation

(59:01):
around things like the weather and the upcoming holidays. And
I had a Chan to a friend the other day
and you know, it took two weeks out and I said,
you know, you look like you've shoved it neutral and
you're cruising down to Christmas. And he goes, yeah, for
about a month, and actually I've been going reverse for
the last two weeks. So if we actually went hard,

(59:22):
if we just went absolutely hard, because we all feel
it at this time of year, we start going, oh yeah,
we're thinking about it, we start slowing down even slower
than we are before. And we just went wrote hard
right up to the finish line and then rest it
hard and then came back hard, it would be fine.
But that's what they're talking about. This eight eight to
ten weeks. It becomes this what you're talking about, Bruce,
is it? It becomes a slow down before the actual

(59:44):
holiday and then and then it's a slow start.

Speaker 11 (59:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah sort of instead of it should be
work hard, play hard, you know, work hard, play hard
for a while and then get back to work again.
It's just it's a cultural thing and you can't blame it.
You know that I'm up in the far nor the
weather is just dreamy. You don't feel like working. It's
just it's beautiful. You're hanging out on the beach, and
I can't blame people for not wanting to work at

(01:00:09):
this time of year because January February March I just
copy the best climate in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
It's been fantastic, Bruce. Thank for your call. Someone also
is sort of talking about the climate here. It's not
that the holiday period is too long. It's at the
wrong time. The weather between Christmas and New Years is
always shy. It every year, and there is a story
on TV about washed out Sodom campus home after a
tropical cyclone. Then everyone needs to work to school in
February when it's thirty plus degrees. We need to move
Christmas to two jan twenty five. Or what we could

(01:00:38):
do is we could just treat Christmas a little bit
like Easter. We have a couple of days off yep,
and then we move and so that that's sort of
a week break there, and then we have another holiday
around March late February. March. Yea up here, but you
know I'm from Dunedin and your midwinter by March ten.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is another to call.
Headlines with Ray Lean in nineteen nine till it is
a text number of that shier thing back very shortly.

Speaker 7 (01:01:08):
Used.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
Talks at be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no
trouble with a blue bubble. The Resource Management Act is
officially bound for the scrap heap, being replaced by two
new laws aiming to cut consent and permit numbers by
forty six percent and speed up those still required. Police
have confirmed two people died in a house fire at

(01:01:30):
Munuwatu's Foxton Beach this morning, after searching for the occupant
since this morning. Police hunting a man after a fatal
bus attack in Auckland's Glen Enns yesterday believe he's still armed.
They're asking people with any information on thirty six year
old Adrian Parney to call one one one, but worn
he's dangerous and shouldn't be approached. Fire crews and a

(01:01:53):
handful of helicopters are still battling a large fire burning
since yesterday at Thomido National Park. Its perimeter is about
eighty percent contained, It hasn't grown and covers two hundred
and ninety six hectares. ACC's staff get their wish to
keep working from home three days a week with a
proposal scrap that required staff in the office three days

(01:02:15):
up from two. You are a predator and a pedophile.
Child abuse survivor confronts rapist in court. You can see
the story at Enzaid Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eath
and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we're carrying on
this discussion we've been having because where I got a
lot of people who want to have a chat about this,
the old Christmas shutdown. There's been several voices come to
the for saying it's at the wrong time, it's too long,
and the mentality of pretty much wrapping up at November
and circling back until February is you know, lowering our productivity.
What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
The sixer says, I don't mind people who take three
to four weeks off, but often solicitors and medical consultants
talk take half December, all of January and then at
least the first week of Februe IV.

Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
See, that is the problem. It's the it's the stuff
either side where you can't get things done because whilst
most of us aren't taking that long off, some of
us are, yeah, and so the infrastructure there isn't there
such that people can plan to do things.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
So even if you're back, you can't really kick off
at the same speed as you would like to. If
we all hit the ground running at the same speed
and we came back and we're like boom, let's go,
then it would be all right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Yeah, but there's so I mean, trying to get a
hold of a lawyer over the Christmas time will generally
good luck to you. And what if if you've just
bought a house. I know circumstances like this that people
have bought a house and then the lawyers are saying, well,
I'm gone until feb. So you forget about your settlement
date in the next couple of months, come back to
me and Feb and we'll sort it. Then you've just
bought a bloomin house you want to move into it,
get it sorted out.

Speaker 7 (01:03:50):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
On the reverse side, because I've just bought a house
and moved in, the high guys tribing a tradesman this
time of year usually fill steam until Christmas Eve, last
minute unorganized homeowners. Yeah, I keep saying the trader is
can you do it before Christmas? And they're like, are
you serious.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
They'd laugh in your face.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Some of them have though, some of them. You know,
I've got some flooring, a new floor being put in
on Friday, nice over the weekend, so I leave it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
At last minute, don't you. Yeah, that's the bloody thirteenth
of December. That's crazy town. It's a good trading.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Asked them though, like what could you And then they
came back and said, we found you know, a joy
has been canceled. We've got to we're coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
How good?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
But yeah, I'm doing that to trade these to a number.
I'm saying, would you be able to do that? Like
this afternoon, can you sneak me in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Mike?

Speaker 13 (01:04:40):
Hey, guys, yeah, just on the Christmas break. In my view,
we should completely get rid of it. It's just another
religious break that's right in the way. We're not run
by that type of thing anymore. And why we're unproductive, Well,
we're a tiny little Pacific island nation at the bottom

(01:05:00):
of the world but off most world maps. You know,
people here are inherently lazy, especially a lot of the boomers,
but a lot of the younger people generations. Over and
over again. Of course they leave for Australia or wherever
and never come back. And there's three things that we
do in this country. Three things we do agriculture, we

(01:05:22):
do tourism, and we do housing. Now, wonder way, we're
so unproductive.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
You've coming hot, Like I'm going to say, so, yeah, yeah,
no more Christmas. We'll get rid of Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Well, you know, like you know a lot of people
celebrate Christmas religiously. For other people, it's trees and Santa
Claus and various other things like that. You know that
that part of it. So it's a celebration. I mean
they're getting together for a communal dinner, family dinner. That
that's a pretty good thing, isn't.

Speaker 7 (01:05:50):
Mike?

Speaker 13 (01:05:51):
Excuse me about families and communities are broken down in
this country. Why don't you just look at the you know,
your average family, they're like, you know, they're broken up.
You know, they're torn apart. You know, it's a breakdown
mate in society. I mean maybe in that maybe in
the rich area, there's a nice little community with a
nice little pre isn't Christmas trees and all that. But
I say get rid of Easter and get a lot

(01:06:12):
of these holidays, Like you were saying someone was saying
previously that we just come off a a a long weekend.
You know, it's like long weekend after long weekend, things
are shut down. You know, I think a lot of
New Zealanders are fed up with that. But you know,
we're really unproductive because we don't mind for oil, we
don't mind for gold. You know, we're all green peace

(01:06:33):
and people want to vote the Greens, you know, and
we want to save the world and bring everyone over
here from Gaza. And in the next minute, we've got
a housing crisis. You know, We've got much more problems
than taking long breaks in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Yeah, you know, well, Mike, you're very compassionate about it,
very passionate about Mike going to just go back to
the point you made before. But I think that's that's
a good one that you're saying. We do have a
problem in our country that we are agriculture, housing and
tourism and and it's hard to become. You know, we're
very productive in the agriculture six year we've got we've

(01:07:06):
got the productivity there if you if you just did
our productivity and agriculture and tourism very good. And the
housing thing, that's that's an interesting one because it's great
internal economy. Yeah sure, but it's not bringing a lot
of money into the into the country from overseas well.

Speaker 13 (01:07:24):
It's been great for the boomer homeowners in the last
thirty or forty years, hasn't it, especially in the last
ten or twenty. I mean, you know, it's just been
a boom for them. Everyone else has been kicked aside.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
You know, astenicses and elder millennials have done all right
by it as well.

Speaker 13 (01:07:41):
Yeah, well, you know that's right. I mean, you know,
but the problem is that what are we going to
do for people? Why do we just encourage people to
have broken families? And it's all okay, just like people
should have a license to have children, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
But people would say things like Christmas and the people
that have the you know, you talk about Christmas being
a religious thing. The people that have the strongest families
are actually in our country, the religious people.

Speaker 13 (01:08:06):
Isn't that hypocritical?

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
You find that true?

Speaker 13 (01:08:09):
Right way, in what way and every way that they go,
and they go and profess them. It's all okay, they're
big families and all the rest of it. But don't
worry about how to take care of them because God
will do the work. Well, you know, come on, man,
let's just these are the worse than the Bible times.
These days that we live in now, I reckon, I reckon, these.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Are some of these I reckon, these are some of
the best times we've ever lived. I was saying to
my son this morning, terrible. I was saying to my son,
I mean, New Zealand's about the best you got it
in the entire world. We know that we're in one
of the luckiest places in the world and we live
the basically one of the best lives we can. But
I was saying to my son, who's nineteen, we're walking
the dog this morning, and he was talking about, you know,
his life and stuff, and I said, you know what,

(01:08:46):
you're one of the first generations and so as I.
When you're nineteen, you're not at war. So we need
to hold on to that. At least we're not being
put through the meat. At least we're not being put
through the meat grinder like the young men for generations,
going back, for ever and ever we're Mike, that's one
thing to hold on to you.

Speaker 13 (01:09:02):
So I said, but we're all going to good big
going back to war in my opinion, but no one
wants to talk about that, do they. So everyone enjoying
a nice holiday and your nice holidays off. But in
my view, I'd be getting ready for all that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Thank you so much for me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Thank you, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
A lot to unpack from Mike's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Yeah, passionate, passionate, And we love you, Mike, and we
hope things well. I hope things work out for you.
There's a lot going on in Mike's life at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Obviously, I do think that things aren't as bad as
people think they are. I mean, we don't starve now,
so people think, you know, people a lot of people
walking around saying we've got the worst it's the worst
time to live and it's the worst place to live
in New Zealand's that's sort of a beat up. It's
actually pretty much the easiest time to live in the
in the in history. I mean, people talk about the sixties,
seventies and eighties, but if you had any different ideas

(01:09:45):
then the general ideas that were going around at that time,
then then it wasn't a good It wasn't a good
time to try new things back then.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Exactly, and just you know, the level of different types
of food that we can access. Just strolling through the
door of the supermarket. Back in the sixties and seventies,
you can't find eighty percent of that stuff. It was
potatoes and meat and a few other bits and pieces.

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
But just the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
General options that you've got in general and today's living.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Well, just how few things people had had a few
possessions people have. Everyone was darning their socks. They went
just going and buying another pair of rubbish socks that
have been imported that were full of microplastics, and you
just wear them a few times, your big toe comes
out one hole and of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Them in the rubbish exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
You know, people were sitting at home darling their socks
because they couldn't afford to have multiple pairs of socks.
That was right up into the eighties, ye, that people
were doing that. So I don't think I think these
are reasonably good times to be alive, you know, And
to go back to the point I've made before. You know,
the boomers, Gen X and Millennials and Gen Z these

(01:10:45):
are rare generations. And some people went to war. You know,
there was Korean War, Vietnam War, and we've had involvements
in the Middle East and such. But generally speaking, every
other generation going back through history had to lose members
of their family to war. Yeah, I mean that's good.
That's something to hang your hat on exactly perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call Love to hear your thoughts about the crew
Smith shut down? Is it too long?

Speaker 7 (01:11:10):
Back?

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Very shortly? Sixteen to three?

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
But can I just say to Mike great call Love
the passion, you're a good man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Mike your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk, say'd.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Be thirteen to three. So we have been talking about
the summer break. There's been some prominent voices say it's
too longer at the wrong time. But there's a heck
of a lot of feedback to Mike's call. Who came
through before Mike was a bit upset about some elements
of New Zealand life. Can you hear from you on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Mary, Welcome to the show. You're just back from India.

Speaker 16 (01:11:45):
I believe, yes, I am, And Mike has absolutely nothing
to complain about, Mike, go and see what other people
have to put up with. I've been home for one week.
I loved the trip, but I hate to say I
loved it because of the poverty.

Speaker 17 (01:12:02):
And what I saw.

Speaker 16 (01:12:04):
So Mike, we've got nothing to complain about. This is
a beautiful country and we're very lucky to live here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, someone was playing out. Someone was just pointing out
on the text machine. I can't find it because there's
so many coming through. But essentially, you know, we use
clean water in our toilets. We have so much water
that we flush, water that you could drink away and
in huge parts of the world, the idea that you
have it was interestingly. I'll say this to my son

(01:12:34):
because we walked up a mountain this morning and there was,
you know, it was a mountain. It's called a mount
by the way. It had the big water tank on
the top, and I was just explaining how water pressure
works and how you know, you have to have the
big tank up the top to create the water pressure
in the pipe, so when you turn on a tap,
the water comes out. And I was just saying, we
forget about this, We forget about the incredible things that

(01:12:54):
we have we just walk around and we don't look
at what we've got and go. That's amazing. But the
fact that you can turn on a tap and get
water that you can drink out of the tap in
your house is you have something that many many, many
many many many millions, hundreds of millions of people, billions
of people don't.

Speaker 16 (01:13:14):
Thirty plus million people just in Delhi living under a
tree branch a family no clean water is a tourist.
I mean, you can't drink your water. You have to
buy a bottle of water. But you know, we just
live in such a God blessed country.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yeah, I mean, Mary, I often think about this. I
often think about these too, that they come to my
mind when I think about this. When I was in
bengal Bangalore, Bengaluru, and I was and I was in
a car driving around, and I saw these two kids
actually in a dump. They were actually a dump in rags,

(01:13:53):
you know, looking for moresels of food as we as
we race past our in our in our car, and
I I caught I caught eyes, you know, crossed eyes
with one of them. And it hits me all the time.
I think about what's happened to them? Yeah, And so
there does need to be that perspective when we think
when people there's sort of is a narrative. You know,

(01:14:14):
we hear cost of living crisis, this, we hear this,
this constant narrative that somehow, this generation or this is
a terrible time to live and this is a terrible
country to live in. It's just not true. There are
struggles in every single era. Every era has its struggles.
You don't go through life without struggles, and some people
have it worse than others, and we have to have
compassion for that. But on the whole, New Zealand is

(01:14:36):
a very good country to live in, definitely.

Speaker 16 (01:14:39):
And there's no welfare in India.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Yeah, exactly, don't work, you die. Yeah, I heard this
thought experiment actually, Mary, And it's on this point that
imagine there's a world lottery and if you go into
the lottery, you are assigned a new country to become
a citizen. But the kicker as it's voluntary to put
your ball into this lottery to be relocated to another country.
How many New Zealanders do you think would take part

(01:15:03):
in that lottery? I would say less than one percent.
How many Indians do you think would take hard in
that lottery, maybe forty percent one of them. Yeah, and
it just puts things into perspective that you've hit the
lottery in life, that you are able to live in
this country called New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (01:15:18):
Yep.

Speaker 16 (01:15:19):
And we're very, very lucky. And that's all I have
to say to Mike. Get out and open your eyes
and go and see how other people love.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
What a great call.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
But it's easy for people to get negative because you're
you can get into a negative night mindset a you're
getting told constantly that it's that it's really hard. But
it is hard.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Life is hard, Yeah, very hard.

Speaker 7 (01:15:37):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
It's just always been hard.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yeah, it's all about perspective. It is nine to three
beg very shortly. Oh e one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number?

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
The issues that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:46):
Affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
Mad Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be news.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Talks dead be speaking of the ghost though, Yeah, far out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Get with the game, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
We didn't even get on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
That's the end of the air break.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
I want to how long that break was? Then? Now
that's the that's the big Christmas break. The ten seconds
it took us to get back on here. When it's
the stop that's.

Speaker 8 (01:16:09):
All we need.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
I will quickly take Gabrielle. We've got about sixty seconds out.
What's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 17 (01:16:16):
Hi, Tyler and Matt how I use good?

Speaker 13 (01:16:20):
So I think that.

Speaker 17 (01:16:26):
I think that we do should continue with the culture.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
That we have in terms of our holiday breaks and
stuff like that.

Speaker 17 (01:16:34):
I've never been in any joabor employment whereby everyone starts
to give it away by November and not start really
into it until February. You have set all of those
and it's as simple as that. Once you've done your statutories,
then you get straight into work and should be no

(01:16:54):
less than that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
You're saying that.

Speaker 17 (01:16:58):
You're saying that, ah, well, everyone gives it away weeks
or months before and doesn't really get into it a
month until a month later.

Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
So I have disagree with you guys there. Also, you
were mentioning.

Speaker 17 (01:17:13):
About so much more options that we have nowadays in terms.

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
Of product and stuff like that. But at the same time.

Speaker 17 (01:17:22):
You're mentioning too the products that we get from overseas.
There you know they've got one ripping and they're filled
with microplastics, or we've got young kids who are employed
by these people. I don't know that that's really as
good as what we make out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Thank you so much for your call, Gabriel. We've we've
got to go. But I get it. I think we
were saying that was a bad thing. Yeah, that part
of it. But anyway, So just to sum up, I've
been thinking about this, the great New Zealand shutdown. We
quietly accept that the country is basically on flight mode
around this time of year, six to eight weeks in
total with the shutdowns, and how long it takes the startup.
But maybe we actually need it. Maybe we're a small

(01:18:04):
country that runs pretty hot most of the year. BERND
isn't such a great thing. Then again, the world doesn't
wait for us to finish our beat holidays, does it.
So investors don't pause, hospitals don't stop, the big issues
don't take Jenny off. So it seems like one of
those gray areas. Do we cling to the last Grace
Key week tradition or do we admit the world's sped
up and we haven't. Maybe the real question isn't whether

(01:18:25):
the break is too long, it's whether we have the
conditions and environment in place to kick us to our
full abilities for the rest of the year, because personally,
I am hanging out for this holiday. It's gonna be
so good. I'm gonna get so sunburn. Forget, I'm gonna
forget what day it is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Yeah, bring it on, good discussion, Thank you very much.
After three o'clock parking tickets and Auckland will tell you
more soon.

Speaker 8 (01:18:49):
Your new home are insightful and entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Talk It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Savvy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show seven
past three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Just to recap on the developing story that's been happening
through our show. Earlier in the show, we got a
text saying I'm dropping off a package at reception. I'll
be there in thirty five minutes.

Speaker 7 (01:19:12):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Slightly ominous, and we thought, what kind.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Of package is that? And then another text the package
has been dropped off yep. And so I thought maybe
it would be an explosive device, so I sent Tyler
down to get it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:24):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
I took one for the team for safety reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Well, I had under the desk up here. Tyler brought
it back up and it was a tin. It was
a tin, little Christmas tin Christmas Cake Company. We opened
it up and there were two feathers at the top,
and we thought, what is this? Listener might send us
these two feathers at the top? Yep, is this a
serial killer? Has this got some deeper meaning? Are we

(01:19:47):
going to be part of a twenty episode true crime podcast?
And then there were some cotton wall buds under that,
and under that there were some pohas, original thirty five
year old pohs. So it was an explosive device like
I worried, but the best possible explosive device. Yep, the
thunder bombs which are powerful and double happies that were

(01:20:09):
only out for a limited period of time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Big bang.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
So thank you so much for that, Mike. And he
sent us a letter saying, I hope you like these.
Send us a copy of your book, man, So a
copy of my book will be be winging its way
to you, Mike. Send us a present and you might
want to copy of my book.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
It's a good deal, I mean, take it. I don't
have to give anything.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Terrible deal for my publisher as I grabbed free book
copies of books and send them out to people with
a great deal for me. But anyway, just to finish
off the story and this at the same time, I said,
there's a fantastic artist in Coray Mandeltown that makes these
huge He sends this beautiful painting of a Pohart packet yep,

(01:20:50):
and you can buy these beautiful prints of it. And
I was trying to remember his name. I ran into
him when I was in Coral Mandeletown a few months
ago and we had a great chat and a friend
of mine both got a bigger and a smaller version
of this. This this fantastic it's hard to describe. It's
very very cool piece of art. It's just a beautiful
painting of a Pohart packet with some pretty funny writing

(01:21:12):
on it. Mate, it's the It's very cool. But anyway,
I couldn't remember his name, shame on me, But I
have now because he's remissaged me. He was listening Paul
Cornwell Underscore Creative on Instagram or or he's got a
web start. So just google Paul Cornwell Creative and check
out these these awesome Pohat artworks. They're they're very cool.

(01:21:37):
You know, if you're if you're a gen xer like me.
Were you were you operating you know you're a millennial?
Are you operating around po hard times?

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
We're a right on the end of it, the poet
and the skyrockets before the government said no, you can't
be trusted. But man, they were good years.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Me and my mate Mike, not the mic that sent
me this explosive device, but my other mate Mike. We're
in corimandal Town and we saw this, these this pohart
art on the on the wall of a shop and there,
and we nearly teared up. It just brought up such
great memories of belowing the live, living crap out of
our neighborhoods with these pohas back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
So it's beautiful nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
So Paul Cornwell Creative look him up? How good Paul
Cornwell Underscore Creative on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Yeah, love that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
And if you want to have a if you want
to see a shot of the explosive device that was
sent into a show from another mic, then I just
posted a picture of it up on my story at
Matt Heathens it on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Yeah, it's a pretty so check it out. It's so good.
It's a pretty good, good, pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Good package with the explosives and the cotton cotton buds
and the feathers.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
What a Christmas caft? Right, so AT they are causing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
The ear minute. It's Coramndel, not Coramndal Town, is that right?
I always call it coram Mandal Town so people know
that I'm not referring to the general Coromandel of it.
I've never actually been, I'm ashamed to say. But everybody
says Mandeltown from the because otherwise people go, people go.
It was an art shop and the Coramandel and the

(01:23:03):
Cora Mandal is a huge place.

Speaker 7 (01:23:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
How you say Cora Mandal Town for the bit that's
right up the top.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Yeah, I think you're right, far Texter, We love you,
but you're wrong. Yeah yeah, right, let's get into this one.
So a forty dollar parking fine has been the subject
of a judge alone trial between the owner of Saint
James Theatre and Auckland Transport. So theater owner Steve Bilb
says he disputed the parking fine and caught as a
last resort protest over the ludicrous refusal by AT to

(01:23:28):
provide the theater with a loading zone exemption in Lawn Street.
Which the building backs onto. Steve Bilby joins us on
the phone right now, Steve, good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Good afternoon, hey, Steve. Before we get into the parking issue.
The Saint James obviously such a great place off so
many fantastic memories watching shows there. Saw Motorhead there, nice
saw the Strokes there, among many other great shows. So
how's everything looking.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
Yeah, it's good, it's good.

Speaker 18 (01:23:56):
He's still of got our funding approved earlier on in
the year, and you know we've made a start or
the asbestos has removed, so physical, I guess the big
physical works will kick off early in the new year,
and we're trying to have it rep and again for
its one hundredth birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
What's the capacity of the Saint James.

Speaker 18 (01:24:13):
So, with the ground floor and standing, it's about two thousand,
four hundred, and were fully seated, it's about fourteen hundred
and eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
That's great. That's a great size venue for a certain
certain kind of band and gig and.

Speaker 7 (01:24:28):
And what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Yeah, all right, okay, Why is loading access on lawn
streets so essential for the Saint James to succeed?

Speaker 18 (01:24:37):
Well, essentially, the theater is one hundred years old almost,
and Lawn Street was originally built as the loading service
way or service lane for the theater, and over the
last one hundred years, appreciate it that things change, But
the theater itself wasn't built with loading, so essentially the
big doors that open up onto Lawn Street open up
straight onto the stage, so you know, we can't drive

(01:24:58):
trucks in there or anything like that, so essentially we
have to stop outside it to load, and to even
open those doors, which are the only vehicle entrance into
the building, you actually have to stop outside the doors,
walk inside the building and open the doors from the
inside because they're big, heritage, huge barn style doors.

Speaker 7 (01:25:15):
And essentially what's.

Speaker 18 (01:25:17):
Been happening is at have been they really don't like
that vehicle crossing that we have on Lawn Street and
have been pinging us while we stop there and hold
to go inside and open the doors and then drive through.

Speaker 6 (01:25:29):
So it things.

Speaker 18 (01:25:30):
We had to open up our front gate, and they
got to the point where they took me to court
and prosecuted us for it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
So you know, yeah, so how do they expect you
to operate? Doesn't there have to be some common sense
around this kind of situation. We need things to be
able to operate in this central business district or else
no one will go there.

Speaker 18 (01:25:54):
This was this was my argument with them, and I
think you know that the prosecutor suggested that, you know,
perhaps public transport can be used to help load in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Some said that, did someone did someone seriously say that
out loud?

Speaker 18 (01:26:06):
The prosecutor said that. In the prosecution we were just like,
this is this is ludicrous. It's inoperable, and all can
transport have turned around said well, you can apply for
a temporary management permit each time, but there are a
few thousand dollars each time, and every time we pack
in and pack out, it adds a few thousand dollars
to each show. And we also don't have a certainty

(01:26:28):
that they're actually going to issue them. You know what
happens if they decide one day that, oh, actually no,
we don't like that show or we don't want to
do that, and they don't issue it, and suddenly we've
got operational problems. So we've sort of drawn a line
in the sand and challenged it now on the basis
that we've got another year or two to solve it
long term before it actually makes the theater inoperable.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
So they seriously think that that Lemmy could load his
Marshal Superbase one hundred what is totally in the in
the his four fifteen inch cabinets and that's a bus.

Speaker 18 (01:27:05):
That was the submission.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
The disconnect at least sort of people, it is unbelievable.
So you've been chatting with them for ten years on
this and this is what we hear about Auckland Transport
specifically again and again Steve. There just seems to be
and this is my words, a level of arrogance. But
there's there's no flexibility there. There's no looking at your
situation and say, actually, this is common sense. We're going
to give them an exemption for full time because it's

(01:27:28):
a great thing having these productions and musicians in town.
There's just none of that sort of thinking.

Speaker 18 (01:27:33):
Clearly, there's absolutely none of it. Look, I think they
they get stuck in their particular view and you can't
change their mind. Organizationally, they're just a night me to
deal with. I don't even take meetings with them anymore.
It's just it's not worth it's a waste of time.
So we're going to start pushing for essentially a real change,
And that's why we've challenged it so that people can't

(01:27:54):
just say, oh, Steve, you know they won't enforce that
for you. Surely they'll let you load there, but they don't.
But this proves they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
There's a lot of people that are sexing and saying
that at is ideologically against cars. They think that there
is basically an innates in driving cars and any form
of combustion engine vehicle as a crime. Do you get
that feeling that that that just blankets They're not trying

(01:28:21):
to make things work for business owners and for the city.
They're trying to enforce some kind of ideology upon the
citizens of the city.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
That's absolutely the issue.

Speaker 18 (01:28:33):
And even when this area, you know, there's a whole
lot of theaters in the town Hall, all in the
same area, and ubers can't even get in there. So
into this area because they've closed part of Queen Street
to vehicles, including ubers. So how do we get these
people in and out after shows or before shows? How
do they come in and spend money at restaurants and things?
And I think the answer has been what's happened is

(01:28:56):
that people.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Don't come in.

Speaker 18 (01:28:57):
Theye's not coming in and now my concern is that
we have a generation which maybe don't have a connection
to the city center.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
I think that they just don't. I think that's true,
and I think also part of it. And this is
just me running a slight conspiracy theory, but I think
it's so important for the City Rail Link to work
to justify its huge costs, that they're going to engineer
things such that it has to it has to work.
How does it feel to get a thirty dollars public

(01:29:26):
fight and you know, how to get to get these
fines when you're just trying to maintain a building? Does
that when you're working hard, you're trying to get something done,
How does it feel to get that fine? Just to
make it personal?

Speaker 18 (01:29:38):
It's pretty it's pretty frustrating, to be honest. The situation.
So we're opposite the Central Library and I come in
in the morning and it's a pretty rough bit of
Midtown at the moment, and Midtown is not a good story.
Is fifteen odd tent set up outside the City Library
in the morning. I've come in and we're just trying
to make a difference. The councilors said, come in here,
invest in this area. This is going to be in
the next great area, but you know that's happening on

(01:30:01):
one side of the road. And then we're trying to
do what they want. And then I'm literally in the
car in the evidence that they submitted. I'm in sitting
in the car on the photo. So I've literally just arrived,
open the gate and that thing does your unreal Yeah,
I'm in it.

Speaker 12 (01:30:17):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
So basically, practically, what changes do you think need to
be made from from at and the council for the
theater to operate property once while you're while you're getting
it operational, and once it opens.

Speaker 18 (01:30:30):
Yeah, I think the whole of Midtown needs. It needs
an actual logical service, servicing and loading plan. And you know,
we need to take into account that the theater is there.
We can't move it, so we need to be able
to get things to it. And it's the same with
the Civic, It's the same with the town Hall, same
with all the other venues around there that that because
there's a whole collection of them, the art gallery, the library,

(01:30:50):
so it's just that there isn't that And I think
at think they rule the roost, and in a way
they do, and I think that's that's part of the
floor of the design of the system. You know, the
mayor is trying to take control of that because I
think he's realized that the management there just it's so
institutional that you can't change its mind. You know, it's
built into that organization. So our hope is that we

(01:31:14):
you know, we can get some common sense. Council have
just written in government have written a thirty million dollar
check to help the restoration. So it seems madness that
they then won't give us a framework or regulatory environment
that enables it to actually work.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Well, Steve, we hope they get some common sense and
some logic in their brains before the scheduled opening in
twenty twenty eight, which we're all looking forward to, mate,
But all the best and keep fighting.

Speaker 18 (01:31:38):
Thank you had a good one day, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Yeah, you two that getting a lot of support on
the text machine here, Yeah, Steve, absolutely, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Go Well, that is Steve Wilby, the owner of the
historic Saint James Theater. It is nineteen past three on
News Talk.

Speaker 8 (01:31:52):
S'd be very good.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Afternoon to you. So we've just got off the phone
with Steve Beebley well the interview rather, he's at logheads
with AT, as a lot of people are. This time
he was fined forty bucks for trying to unload gear
into the historic Saint James Theater.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
I think we should change the name of Auckland Transport
to Auckland Walk or will kill you? Okay? This textas
says the problem Wayne Brown faces as meor is that
although he has taken back control of AT, he needs
the government to change laws to empower him. It's sitting
onto the do list for the government right now. See,
because you know this kind of illogical behavior. You know what,

(01:32:32):
if you think about Wayne Brown, he's a logical man
with an engineering mind. So if he's looking at something
like the Saint James that's received this this funding and
they can't do their business without Auckland Transport constantly finding
them for loading stuff into there, and the only way
they can load it into the Saint James. And when

(01:32:52):
it practically when they're when they're running, when they're up
and running, they've actually built the place. So this is
hitting them when they're trying to construct the place, and
then when it's up and running, the fact that people
can't get an uber from out the front of it,
so to get an audience in and out or a
taxi or whatever. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
It's crazy, but hopefully that's just a tick box exercise
so Wayne Brown can take control of AT.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I voted for Wayne Brown to taser these pricks.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
I like that, Dick.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
I don't know if that was exactly on this manifesto.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
We're taking plenty of ticks on this. There's so many
that have come through, so we'll get to a few
more very shortly. It is twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Back in the month, mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk
ZV afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
We are talking about the fight that the owner of
the Historic since James Theater is having with AT. At
the moment, we've had a truckload of texts coming through.
Just a thought I had, Matt. Do you think part
of this is because Wayne Brown has said he wants
to amalgamate eight back into the council and rest control
over them because he's not a big fan. Do you
think some of this is from AT. It just plays

(01:34:03):
into that arrogance that it's almost like a final stuff
you to everybody. We're going nobody likes us, So we're
just going to say no to everybody because we're already hated.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Well to reference yes, Minister for the second time in
the show. Can't remember why I last referenced it resturants again.
There's that power that is, that unelected power that makes
us really really angry when they're making decisions that are
incredibly illogical and are having horrible effects on people's lives
and people that are trying to do productive things like
bring back this incredible theater that will be great size

(01:34:36):
venue for some incredible things to happen our city, and
these unelected people are these people making these decisions because
they've got this ideology, this vision that's theirs, but it's
not a vision that is supported by the wide population,
so it's sort of enforced upon us.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
Nicely. Put a couple of texts coming through on nine
to two, nine to two.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
If I had a dollar for every time you two
said taser, I'd be loaded.

Speaker 7 (01:35:04):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Someone off texted and off before and then another person
email men said that they've got to take and they'll
come and tas usus for christmastuff we want I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Think about that. One sounds like could be a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Steve, that guy from the Saint James should run for
mayor what a great talker. Steve and Saint James Theater
should sue Auckland Council and councilors personally for discrimination of
patrons and attendees based on age disability under Human Rights
Act nineteen ninety three six three hundred dollars per person
per act. Yeah. Well, as that texta pointed out before,
there is sort of a problem at the moment with

(01:35:37):
Wayne Brown wanting to bring AT into the council. But
AT is sort of a hangover from the operations around
the super city.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
So Wayne Brown's and the council are kind of hamstrung
at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Yeah, so they need to wait for central government.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Until the central government makes you know, changes the law.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Yeah. And this one getto Matt and Tyler for the
AT Council lawyer to saying court that Steve should be
taking public transport along with musicians and artists. Has proven
that AT Transport have a conflict of interest where the
public transport and Auckland is run by the organization who
was ticketing finding Steve nicely, pot I should have thought
about that. It is a massive conspiracy that they just

(01:36:17):
turn around and sting good people like Steve and force
them into their poorly use, poorly run public transport that
nobody wants to use so they can justify their jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Well, yeah, I mean Steve should have taken in a
lighting rag or a pa into the courtroom. You wouldn't
even get through the courtroom door, let alone the door
of a bus. That's like, get it on a train.
It's a ridiculous thing to say.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
It's like satire, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Take it on the back of a bloody push bike
on a bike lane. What are you talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:36:49):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Good discussion and good on Steve for fighting the good
fight and hopefully common sense prevails before the opening scheduled
opening of the Saint James in twenty twenty eight. Coming
up after the headlines a crucial issue for gearwe Styler.
This is massive instant Paul's above ground pools fold? Are
they a thing? Have you got one? We want to

(01:37:11):
hear from you. We'll tell you more very shortly. As
twenty nine past three.

Speaker 5 (01:37:16):
Jus Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis, it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. Two bills announced today
to replace the Resource Management to Act establish a new
system for managing environmental protection. They'll require councils to set
ecosystem health limits following national standards for air, freshwater, coastal water,

(01:37:38):
land and soil and indigenous biodiversity. Police say fatal stamping
on an Auckland bus last night was rare and senseless
and they're hunting for a thirty six year old Adrian
Parney who shouldn't be approached. One of WRE two's Foxton
Beach is in shock after two people have died in
a house fire this morning. The fire's cause hasn't yet

(01:37:59):
been established. The pair will be formally identified in coming days.
Fire and Emergency say ablaze now covering about three hundred
hectare a torm Adirdoor National Park looks to have been
calls by an unintentional mishap with a vehicle. The Government's
declined an application by global company Nova Algoma Cement Carriers

(01:38:21):
to replace Kiwi crew with overseas workers. How Auckland Councils
plan Change one twenty increases residents flood risk. Read the
full column that ends at Herald Premium. Back now to
Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to four.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
So I saw an infomercial. It popped up on the
screen behind Tyler's head, and it was for the sort
of fold up pool yep. So you could fold it up,
you could put it away in a cupboard. Over winter,
you put it in the back of your car, You
open it up, and then you fill it up with
water and then you sit in it with you with
your family. Yeah, is this a real thing? Does would

(01:39:01):
this really work? And it got me thinking because it's
so freaking hot at the moment. It got me thinking
about solutions for being able to sit in some cold
water in your yard. And I was thinking about the
para rubber pools. That's what they were called, weren't they yep.
And so you get a big like a temporary plastic
pool and you set it up in your yard and

(01:39:22):
it's about what one meter deep something like that?

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Can they get lucky?

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Can they go deeper than that? Is that a good solution?
Is that a good solution for my problem? Are you
running one? Do you run one of those over the
summer break? Are they good for the kids? Do people
use them? And you can't dive into them because they're
not deep enough. But as it gets really really hot,
you could just sort of sit in your own juices

(01:39:46):
in it, couldn't you?

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Or are you better just to buy I've just looked
up a five hundred liter plastic tub and sit in that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Some people would. I'm a big fan of the above
ground pools, like the para rubber pools. And I'll tell
you why that most people who go full noise and
pay one hundred thousand dollars for a beautiful deep two
meter pool, and they always say they're going to go
out there and do laps. How many people seriously get
up in the more and go to their fancy built
in the ground pole and actually start doing laps and
make full use of that deepness. That's all you need.

(01:40:14):
All you need is half a meter that you can
just dip into. Call off over some get the whole
family in there, side by side, squeeze everybody in and
have a good time. Throw a beach ball around if
you want.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Yeah, And what is the advantage of that over? I mean,
if you've got little kids, they can swim around in it, right,
the little kids again? Because of because I've just found
this this round feature polyster pond an aquapro nine hundred
and ten millimeter round plastic tub at a hard bed
stored equapro. Yeah, couldn't you just sit in that?

Speaker 11 (01:40:47):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Or here we go? Like, what have I got here?
Trade tested a best Way steel pro frame pool that's
four point five to seven meters times one point two
to two meters deep. That look that looks pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
That's all you need.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
That's got a filter and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Yeah, So what is the admin for the above ground pools?
Do you need to do the chemical and that sort
of stuff? Obviously you've got to filter it. But love
to hear from you if you've gone the above ground
pool or one of these foldable pools, how's it going?
Is that all you really need? Rather than spending tens,
maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars to get the underground
pool so to speak, or the built into the ground pool.

(01:41:25):
It Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Tim says? I have an intex above ground pool. It's
into its sixth year and served us well. We upgraded
it to a one point two meter high pool as
the Hamilton City Council somehow managed to see it in
my backyard while we were on holiday. We had a
ninety centimeter high pool at the time, and we were
told that we would need to fence it. This is
despite our property being fully fenced and extremely private. We

(01:41:47):
then needed to get the council to visit to sign
off our one point two meter poll what which they
made us wrap flimsy weed mat arounds it so it
couldn't be climbed. Oh my god. We have since moved
out of Hamilton and I had no more issues.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
I hope the RIMA changes started to deal with this
sort of stuff. Man, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
So when does it stop being a you know, when
is it a you know, a waddling pool, a water
trough and when does it become a pool?

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Yeah, if you've got some insight on this, So one
hundred and eighty ten eighty with the old above ground pools,
at what stage do you have to erect a fence
around it? I mean, surely there's a difference between a
paddling pool and something that's half a meter deep versus
something that's two meters deep.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
I mean I'm looking at one above ground pool now
that's yeah, it's four point two meters by two point
five by one meter, and look there's a picture of
a family having a great time in it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Pete, you do have a nine meter by three meter
above ground pool.

Speaker 19 (01:42:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
Not.

Speaker 19 (01:42:48):
It's seven meters long, three meters wide, intech pool and
one point one meter deep. Take seventeen and a half
thousand liters of water.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
Whoa, whoa wow, I've just got out of it.

Speaker 7 (01:43:02):
It's a good pool.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
And so that's one point four meters deep. That's that's
that's deep enough for you tow one minute?

Speaker 12 (01:43:08):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Can you know, do freestyle in that?

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:43:12):
Yeah, you can swimm it.

Speaker 19 (01:43:13):
You just you know, put a breast stroke, picks of
boards and you can walk up and down and you
can jump on it. You can swimming it.

Speaker 8 (01:43:21):
You can. Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:43:22):
It comes up above you know, top of my chest.
So yeah, it's quite or seventeen and a half the
thousand lids of water, so yeah, and it comes to
the pump and you put your chlorine and you have
a little you do everything like you do with a
normal ball and make sure you know your levels correct.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
You know, stupid question, Pepe, but I take it. You
just fill up via hose, do you?

Speaker 19 (01:43:46):
Oh a lot of it in the in the country,
so it comes into a tank.

Speaker 20 (01:43:50):
So yeah, it takes once it's well, that's it for
the for the whole year. But I mean, you know,
you can actually probably leave it up. You can leave
the map even during the winter, but you know, you've
got to keep chlorinating them and looking after them.

Speaker 11 (01:44:07):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Otherwise it comes a bit of a septic situation and
dark or poor starving in it.

Speaker 19 (01:44:13):
You can you can you can leave them Mark, Yeah,
and you can treat them.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
And how long have you how long has that been?
How long have you had this particular pool, Pete? How
many years? Has not helped?

Speaker 16 (01:44:23):
You?

Speaker 7 (01:44:23):
Just had this year?

Speaker 19 (01:44:25):
But I had another one before they but the other
one was the best way. There a cheaper version that
they're quite check you're aren't from white to ten, but
these are from power pools and there are much bitter pool.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
And that's the intext. Did you say I'm just having
a looking.

Speaker 19 (01:44:39):
Down Yeah, inext And so two and a half grand
for the whole kid everything.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Not bad end up certainly cheaper than getting a you know,
a fully concreted one. But I had some neighbors who
just got out of Bobcat and dug a hole and
put the power rubber pool in it. I mean, would
you ever consider doing that?

Speaker 19 (01:45:01):
No, because it's not a solid wall, right, yeah, right,
it's not a solid wall.

Speaker 20 (01:45:06):
So it's a wall that you fold up. So there's strong,
very strong pools, very good pool actually good pump. And
I've got a thermal cover on it, so yes, on
a reel and that put the therm.

Speaker 19 (01:45:18):
Will cover down each night and when the sun comes out.

Speaker 7 (01:45:21):
Pizza, what are you? Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:45:23):
So I've just I've just been in its running it
around twenty five degrees at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Nicely, that's lovely. Do you get punished by family members
who want to come around in Christmas and use your
para pool?

Speaker 6 (01:45:34):
There was someone here last weekend? Yeah, so you've got
to clean up after them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
But yeah, did you run a timer on? How long since?
If they're having beers in the pool and you look
over it to mate and you go, you have not
You've had six beers and you haven't. You haven't gotten
out of the pool yet. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
Mate?

Speaker 7 (01:45:50):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:45:51):
I s Simmaro's Caroline baypol so you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Oh yeah, you're hard you're hardened to it. Thank you.
So much for you call Pete appreciating good luck with that.
That pool sounds like a winner.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
Yeah, sounds pretty good. One hundred eighty ten eighty. Love
to hear from you. If you've gone the above ground Paul,
what did you go for and does it work just
as well as in the ground pool? Oh, one hundred
and eighteen eighty is that number? It is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Sa'd be for a good afternoon June sixteen to four.
So we're talking about above ground pools. After Matt spider
infommercial about this foldable pool that looked I mean, they
made it look like a lot of fun, but to
be honest, it was about ankle deep and they squeezed
twenty people into this little, tiny, three meter monstrosity. But
if you've gone above ground pool, how's it working?

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
We have an above round pool with one point two
meter sides. Doesn't need to be fenced as long as
we take the ladder out, we're not using it. It's
five point seven meters diameter, twenty thousand liters. It cost
us five hundred dollars and it's the best thing that
we've ever done in our lives.

Speaker 15 (01:47:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
So my spar pool doesn't need to be fenced because
it's got a lid.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
That you lock down, right, you've got the clips on it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like this. My brother has a
fifteen one hundred liter stainless steel milk vat that he uses,
fits himself plus three to five ladies. Nice also lights
a fire under it and makes a great spar also
has a six thousand liter vat with a built in
firebox and fits fifteen people.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Amazing. He should sell those.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
I'd buy one that's going back to sort of Roman
bath technology. You light a little fire under it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
It's romantic and three to five ladies, no doubt. It's nice.
Well done that man.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
I'm impressive that he can convince three three to five
ladies to get into his fifteen hundred liters stainless steel
still steal milk better.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Oh that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Thank you, Danielle, Welcome to the show. You've got a
pop up poll, pop up pool, pop up pool.

Speaker 10 (01:47:57):
Yeah, I have a pop up pool, nice by one
point two two meters high, and I just checked the
letter that flicks up when you're not using it, so
no one else can get in. Fantastic.

Speaker 12 (01:48:11):
It's fabulous.

Speaker 7 (01:48:12):
It's nice and warm.

Speaker 10 (01:48:13):
I bet cover on it, and I have it up
all year round.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
All right, you're doing the ice bathing in the winter
for mental health.

Speaker 10 (01:48:23):
I don't use it in the winter, but I don't
don't take all the water out again. It's like twenty
five thousand liters right water, And so.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
You just keep chlorinating it through the winter months. Danielle, Yes,
I do, and.

Speaker 10 (01:48:35):
It takes hardly any scoring. What it needs is the
water to be keep moving. So I just have the
pump on the timer every day for about four to
five hours.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
It's fantastic, right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
And how many years have you had this pool for, Danielle?

Speaker 7 (01:48:50):
Ten years?

Speaker 9 (01:48:51):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Wow? Nice going strong? Do you have to get a
pull boy around once a year just to make sure
it's all good?

Speaker 9 (01:48:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:48:57):
I've got a robut though that cleans the bottom of
it for me now, which is wonderful. So look at
their great it's warmer than a ground pole.

Speaker 11 (01:49:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
And what did you pay for it?

Speaker 16 (01:49:12):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:49:12):
Look, I think I got it once such and it
was eight hundred dollars it's.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
A good deal.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Look how much joy that has brought you, Danielle in
terms of money spent to happiness bought. That's a good
eight hundred bucks, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:49:27):
It's the best money I ever spent. I've added a
few bits and bobs to it, but again the fault
is still going really strong, and you know, just put
it on the time, mate, and it hardly takes any boring,
so it's not you know, it's actually.

Speaker 11 (01:49:41):
Not that hard work.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
And are you doing laps in it or do you
just sort of bob around, float around in it and
cool down?

Speaker 10 (01:49:47):
I do wheel pulls in it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
I would do. It's the best, not really long enough.

Speaker 12 (01:49:57):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
Yeah, Oh, thank you so much for calling and good luck.
And I'm sure you're can have a fantastic summer in
that pool again, so good stuff.

Speaker 18 (01:50:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numbered call.
It's a great text. What about putting in a plungeball.
I've always thought about that. It's just get a massive
hole in the backyard in the rental and putting in.
I think they do it with like freezers, you know,
the chest freezes that you just chuck one of those
bear boys in there. It's not really a plungeball, though,
was it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
I was thinking about this because in my suite at
the Intercontinental Golf Spa and Resort in Fiji earlier this year,
out the front of my suite, it just had this
cool plunge pool. Yeah, so I just sort of floated
in that and it was quite deep whilst I looked
out to see. And the funny thing about it was
it was about probably it was probably two meters by

(01:50:50):
two meters, No, maybe one and a half meters by
one and a half met It was small, but there
was this huge life saver orange life saver beside it.
So I was just thinking, who was the person that
saw someone having a problem in this sponge pool, this
plunge pool that you can stand up in, and the
first response is instead of putting their hand out to
pull you out, just to throw in this giant orange.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Oh mate, that is beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:51:17):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
One hundred and eighty to eighty is the number to call.
A couple of texts coming through on nine two ninety
two is well, we have.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Had a four point four to seven times one point
two to two best by Paul sitting in the box
and the garage for three years. We set it up
on the weekend, had a float with only about two
feet of water in it, and it was absolute heaven
having it filled right up. Now, as long as you
remove the ladder and it's over one point two meters
above the ground, you don't need a fence.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
Good to know, right, it is eleven minutes to fall
back three surely, but keen to hear from you if
you've got an above ground pool? How's it going?

Speaker 8 (01:51:52):
Nine to nine?

Speaker 7 (01:51:52):
Two?

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Is that text as well? Back for surely the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
Very good afternoon. Ju it is eight to four and
we're talking about above ground pools. Is that the way
to go versus pain? Sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars
to dig it into the ground and have it all
concreted up. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call? So many texts coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Update on the text that said my brother has a
fifteen hundred liters stain of steel milk vat that he
uses fits himself plus three to five ladies can also
light an under fire a fire in it and makes
a great spar also has a six thousand liter vat
with a built in firebox, and I was asking the question,
it's impressive that you can convince three to five ladies
to get into this milk vat with it. He says,

(01:52:39):
he's verya romantic. He's come back. He also cooks the
dinner on the fire too. And for a laugh, when
the cousins they strapped the vat to two kayaks and
paddled out the manacau on the sandbar for a hot
tub during low time.

Speaker 7 (01:52:53):
What a man?

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
What a man? Ladies, just turn your spar off.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Mat your muppets and then you sort it. Yeah that's true. Actually,
so if a spar pool in summer, turn it off
and then you've got a sort of a plungeball.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
H yeah, yeah, good point. This one says guys in
ground pool gape headlocked fenced up driveway, second farm gate
lip so adult can figure out how to open it
around the back of the house. I've got another heavy
door that can't be open from the outside. But the
in ground pool is an absolute must. Looked at the
above ground pools and they're just not the same.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Guys, says Trash. I have had a pool in my
yard every summer for years. One of those best ways
ones from warehouse, where you just blow up the ring
and fill it up. Doesn't matter how deep, as long
as you can get under the water and be cool
whilst you sip your wine.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Yeah, good on your trash, very nice. And this one boys,
My two young fellas took my ute to crap day
and put a plastic liner in it and used it
as a chili bin. As the day progressed, it was
in the hawk's bait was hot. It got turned into
an ice bath and they stayed in it and sunk
the rest of their crates. Funny from Mecca, good times.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
That's thinking that there's a lot of people that are
texting them, that are turning the back of their yutes
into over this over summer time.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
That is Keiwi ingenuity at its best.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
Plenty more texts here like you're living the absolute dream life.
I remember seeing a limousine once that had a pool
in it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
Oh how good? Yeah in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
No it wasn't in New Zealand, it was it was
on some show. I think it was in Las Vegas,
but it was no good at when you're stopping at
the lights because all the water splashed forward.

Speaker 8 (01:54:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
Yeah, but you know you can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
You don't need a limousine and Las Vegas you can
do that. You just if you're if you've put the
right waterproofing in the back of your ut.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Yeah, well you need a high lox. Good to go
a couple more before we've got to wrap all this up.
This one here, guys, we're in the YMAC and we
have a fantastic sparpole. It's got a lockable lead, which
is nice and easy. Fantastic to have. Sparpool was a

(01:55:04):
must for Kiwi Living.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Yeah. Interesting, right, what a great chat we've had over
the last three hours of radio. It's been a very
very good time.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
It's yeah, it's been a full on show, but we've
absolutely loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Yeah, thank you so much for everyone for listening and
everyone that texted in and called the tall, smart and
handsome Ryan Bridge is in for Heather Ellen up next.
He's a real triple threat, that man. But right now, Tyler,
my good friend, why would I be playing this song
by ACDC?

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
Another one? I actually know what a tune eck addack
a thunderstruck because you're looking at them right now. You
were so enamored, enamored with this beautiful gift from Mike.
We got delivered.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
We have an explosive package Thunderbombs, which is just the
limited edition of Poha's Double Happies thirty five years. Might
keep these and they just sent them in for us
so we can fire up some little Poha, some little crackers.

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
Have you got your lighter on you today? Should we
head out into the quad right now and just see
how they go?

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Well, wouldn't why wouldn't we exactly? Why would we not
do that? Anyway you've seen us? He said. We'll let
you go until tomorrow afternoon and give me a taste
of Kiwi from Tyler and I.

Speaker 8 (01:56:54):
Matt and Tyler

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
For more from News Talks at b Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

Dateline NBC

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Full Show Podcast: 09 December 2025

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Stuff You Should Know

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

Dateline NBC

All Episodes

Full Show Podcast: 09 December 2025

Stuff You Should Know