Full Show Podcast: 10 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk said, be very good afternoons. You welcome into Friday show.
Really great to have your wet us. Hope you're doing well.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Get I met.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Hey, good news, I've got a brand new kitchen.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
The bad news is in my garret all right, okay,
But the good.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
News is that the people that dropped it off were
such good dudes.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Yeah, when you get really really good service, I think
it's it's good to celebrate it, right.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
So the delivery company was called on send. A couple
of great gentlemen turned up so polite yep, and was
so professional and you know, asked all the right questions
about putting stuff. We're and we're just good, cheerful dudes.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
And you know, you immediately get pested as soon as
anyone does anything for you for your you know, your
feedback on it, which I find kind of annoying. You know,
if I buy something, they immediately ask me how do
we do?

Speaker 6 (01:17):
How we do?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
I find that annoying, But because these guys were so good,
I immediately gave them a good good response.

Speaker 7 (01:23):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
You know, out of the scroll down list of things
that you could say that you thought was that you,
that you thought was positive about the experience, I clicked manners.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Good on you. See, manners as as good men as
are hard to find these days.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Manners maketh the man as they say, they certainly do.
But just people turning up and being incredibly friendly and
polite and making sure that they aren't putting you out
in any way, bloody good on them, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
It gives you a boost, doesn't it, particularly on a
Friday morning. So when does the kitchen actually go in?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well, see that that's the thing. There's just a lot
of bits to it. Yep, there's a lot. There was
a lot of packages. The garage is full of the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's exciting though.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
And then and then then some other people will turn
up and turn the kitchen. Actually, my mate Andrew is
going to turn up and turn it. What the kitchen
that's in the garage into the kitchen and the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Good on you, Andrew, Yeah, yeah, very good.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Right, if you're listening, Andrew, I need to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
He's ready to go, Nore, he needs a kitchen.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Right on to today's show after three point thirty, because
it is a Friday at the moment, you're waitful New
Zealander of the Week, looking forward to that. Also a
little bit later in the show, we're going to have
a check to an astrophysicist, Artamis two mission. Of course,
they are on their way back to Earth. They're looking
at re entry tomorrow our time. And look, I'm no

(02:46):
astrophysicist myself, but apparently that is a very tricky part
of the operation coming back to Earth.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah. I imagine every time, anytime you have to deal
with the atmosphere of a planet, especially an incredibly strong
atmosphere like Earth's, plus you've got to deal with all
the gravity involved. So the landing is going to be
absolutely key.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, I mean, I was.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Just going to say something stupid. Most crashes happen on landing. Yeah,
all crashes happen on landing. Yeah, yeah, some landings crashes,
that's very true. But yeah, we also just want to
discuss how the whole thing's gone, because it seems to
have gone pretty much without.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Hitch Yeah, yep. And the learnings as well. That is
a little bit later after three o'clock. We also want
to talk about mc fleetwood loosely. He is quietly married
as longtime partner Elizabeth Jordan at the age of seventy eight.
This makes it his fifth marriage. The couple tied the
knot in a private ceremony in the South Pacific, and
later year glimpses of their honeymoon on social media all
very beautiful. But the number we want to focus on

(03:45):
is five.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Impressive. He is a lover or not. He's either either
a lover or not a lover either. He just you know,
constantly falls in love or has not a good enough
lover to keep people around. But is anyone in New
Zealand that's done five one hundred and eighty ten, eighty
nine two? Do you know someone that's done five or
more weddings?

Speaker 8 (04:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:06):
If you can beat five, we want to hear from.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Him a lot of threes. I think Mark Mitchell, the right,
honorable Mark Mitchell yep MP for fan prur I think
he's on four.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
He was at number four, so he's getting pretty close
to mcnumbers. Yeah, yeah, so that is after three o'clock.
After two o'clock, New researchers questioning how much New Zealanders
really need utes, showing that despite their rugged rural image,
most are actually used for everyday urban trips like shooting
down to the dairy, social outings and schooled drop offs.
The analysis of this travel data also found around two

(04:37):
thirds of ute trips are made in cities, many a
short journeys, and nearly nine out of ten trips involved
just the driver.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
I shamefully bought an expensive four wheel drive ute dreams
of Yeah, no rushing out of town into the great outdoors,
taking the kids skiing, all that kind of thing. Yes,
never put it into four wheel drive except just for fun.
Never never needed it and just as result was driving

(05:04):
around town were the yutes which was keeping a lot
about as it was basically a rolling cupboard to keep
extra sporting equipment in the back of it.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's like a little shed that you just drive around.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
It was a rolling shed, yeah, which wouldn't be great
on the current diesel costs.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
No, I certainly wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
So, yeah, it's a New Zealand dream, doesn't it To
have a ute. You reach a certain stage in your life,
and you go, I really need a raptor. Yep, I
need it now, I'm nothing unless they have an amarok yep,
I need yeah, because I want to do youty things.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, you've got dreams of doing all those beautiful things
in this beautiful backyard of ours, hunting fishine, you're driving
down the beach.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
I might want to go to the tip yep. And
I don't want to have to borrow something. So on
an all purpose vehicle, generally, it looks most people just
use them to drive to working back.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
So the trades trades need a you, they certainly do.
But looking forward to your stories on that after two o'clock.
If you have a used in the city, do you
actually need it? But right now, let's have a chat
about the Broadcasting Standards Authority. The government is considering scrapping
it as part of wider media reforms, arguing the current
system is outdated and fragmented. So the debate was sparked
by a dispute involving an Internet based program where the

(06:16):
BSA found it still had jurisdiction because the content they
say met the legal definition of broadcasting under the Act
for Broadcasting. Minister Paul Goldsmith He was on with Ryan
Bridge this morning and said there were significant issues with
how the Broadcasting Standards Authority operates and suggested it could
be abolished.

Speaker 9 (06:35):
Well, we haven't made any government decisions, so there's three options.
Either scrap it or try and change the law so
it is clear about what it covers because it was
done twenty years thirty years ago when people didn't you know,
the Internet didn't existence, So it doesn't sort of make
sense at the moment, and so we've got to either.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Change it or scrap it.

Speaker 10 (06:51):
What do you recommend that.

Speaker 9 (06:52):
We haven't decided. I'm tempted to scrap it and simply
replace it with the Media Council, but that's something we've
got to work for.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Okay, Yeah, I mean, well, as he says, you know,
it's well it's thirty six years ago, in nineteen eighty nine,
so that's a long time ago. Yeah, when you consider
the chain in the media landscape, my goodness, that's a
long time ago, thirty seven years. So that sort of
aims to regulate. Now what you've got a situation. This

(07:18):
is this is my theory on it. You've got a
such a that you've got a situation now where the
Broadcasting Standards Authority regulates the responsible, tax paying part of
the media landscape that employs a bunch of people, and
you waste their time with a bunch of ad men,
heavy rubbish, well everything else, social media, podcast whatever can

(07:40):
run a mark, so they force broadcasters like us to
pay for them while doing a huge amount of productivity
sucking admin around all the complaints. Well, the modern media
world it was designed to control. It's just all of
the media basically is out of their reach. It's not
three TV channels and some radio stations anymore. So what

(08:01):
are we doing? Yeah, the horse has bolted. Anyone can
do whatever they want on TikTok YouTube podcasts. Well, the
BSA just waste the time of the productive members of
the media with their old fashioned judgments on good taste
and decency. And no matter how large the Broadcasting Standards
Authorities egos are and I don't know, I don't know
who's on the board, they must admit they will never

(08:23):
be able to control the whole Internet. No, they can
say something is in their remit because it looks like it,
but they're not going to be able to bring up
Andrew Taate and tell him off for his poor taste
and decency.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, I'm sure they love that.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah. No, are they going to tell off a TikTok
creator from the Philippines that they don't adhere to the
standards of the nineteen eighty nine Broadcasting Act of New Zealand. No,
it's just a waste of time, so just leave us alone.
It's like telling the family this.

Speaker 11 (08:54):
Is this is.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I tried this on you before my analogy here. Yes,
you didn't think it was very good, but I'm going
to try.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
To give it another role.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
It's like telling the family and the stands watching a
sporting event to chew with their mouthful. Well, one thousand
streakers run amok on the field.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
It's pretty good. The second time, Like, stations.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Like this are you know, businesses and we're free services
that have enough on our plates fighting the big global
media fight without dealing with this antiquated administration from bureaucrats
trying to beat up on the only people that they
can get their hands on. It's like they're just punching
the people in the face that are there. Meanwhile everyone
else is just running around on fire. The law already

(09:38):
covers slander and defamation. Apart from that, will regulate ourselves.
If people don't like what we say, they can turn off.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
Right.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
So do we need to have Broadcasting Standards Authority? Do
we need broadcasting standards? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Nicely said Mat. And what do you say? Do you
agree with Matt? Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Does it make sense that the government has an organization
looking after some standards but not others? Nine two ninety
two is the text number? Can you get your thoughts
on this one? It is sixteen past one?

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Has Laighton Smith had four marriages?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I believe that's about right? Yeah, Yeah, he's got great pipes,
He certainly does beautiful voice.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
You'd marry him just for the voce, silky.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
It is sixteen past one.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Back of the Monte, the big stories, the big issues,
the big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Be for a good afternoons. You're nineteen pasted one. So
does the Broadcasting Standards Authority still have a place in
governing standards for some but not others? That's the question
we've put to you. Nineteen nine two.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Text Matt, A text, This is broadcasters regulating themselves. Yeah, right,
self righteous. You guys need to stick from time tonight
and we're necessary. You're not that squeaky clean. That's from
Matt Tea. I think we are. But the point is
that you can repeatedly whack us with a stick, I
mean for breaches of good taste and decency potentially, which

(10:58):
is one of one of the things that the Broadcasting
Standards looks at. Meanwhile, there's people committing murder just outside
the door you have no jurisdiction of that have just
the same amount of reach, if not more reach, exactly. Yeah,
So it's just a silly thing. So why are you
regulating just a corner of broadcasting. You're not regulating podcasts,

(11:21):
you're not regulating tech talkers or Instagram. You're not regulating
only fans yep. But you're regulating a small part of
the media. So what are you doing. You're not making
any difference to what people experience because people in the
experience or anything I want.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Now, particularly commercial media.

Speaker 7 (11:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Look, I think there may be an argument for the
BSA having some jurisdiction over government funded media organizations, but
certainly not commercial because like anyone on the Internet, they
are self regulated because if you don't like their content,
then you don't watch it anymore and they lose out right.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah yeah, Well, as Mark the text to here says,
if I see something or here's something online that I
don't like or I take offense to, I just go
somewhere else and don't read that content anymore. We don't
the standards authority for radio TV. If you don't like it,
switch off and do something else. Yeah, I mean it's
a very good point. This person says, bsa bunch of wokesters.
Have you had a look at who they are? Amazing?

(12:20):
They will find the likes of naked Attraction on at
a relatively early time as Okay, it's creepy.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I mean that was controversial naked attraction and I
don't know which way I think they did rule on it,
didn't they They did rule on it that it had
to be broadcast outside the old watershed. That watershed doesn't
really exist anymore.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
But I would argue that's ridiculous because if you want
to see naked people, you can get naked people very
very easily. These days. You can you know, you know
people if you turn on the television, then then you'll
see very few naked people. But if you want to
see naked people, the world of nudity is available to you. Yeah,
it's not art and much more besides. Yeah, all other

(13:05):
professions self regulate with rule standards and discipline procedures. The
met should do the same, Peter, Shall we discipline ourselves?

Speaker 7 (13:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
What do you say, O?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of call?
Keep those techs coming through on nine to ninety two
as well.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
I've been listening for years and I've never known you
guys to have any standards.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, well, thank you very much for that. I'll take
that as a compliments. What do you say though? Ninety
two ninety two is that TeX's number? It is twenty
two past one. Will be begg very shortly.

Speaker 12 (13:33):
The headlines and the hard questions.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (13:37):
To mens side into how epic purity plays out. John
Bolton he's seen it all for the United States Ambassador
to the United Nations of course, security advisor to every
Republican administration since Reagan, including Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
John Bolton is with us.

Speaker 14 (13:50):
I don't think there's really much desperation on the Iranian side.
They're a rather primitive view of the world.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Is they win if they survived. But I don't think
they feel the pressure.

Speaker 14 (13:58):
I think Trump's the one who feels the pressure. I
think he looks at oil price is going up and
equity market's going down, and he wants out. And I
think the Iranian censors that, and I think it leads
is Trump and the US there for in a more
vulnerable position.

Speaker 13 (14:12):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 2 (14:17):
Very good afternoon, it's twenty five past one. We're talking
about the Broadcasting Standards Authority. Paul Goldsmith told Ryan Bridge
he's inclined to scrap the thing all together, but talking
about standards in general. So when you look at their
REMIT and what they do, they look after the likes
of us, the traditional radio and TV broadcasters. And it
all erupted because there was an Internet based platform who

(14:39):
got into a bit of trouble and he said, the
BSA have got no jurisdiction over me.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
They saw what.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Happened as someone said they were going to say them
to the BSA and did and the BSA, well, clearly,
I mean, any sane person would say, the BSA has
got nothing to do with with someone that's brought broadcasting
purely on the internet. Yeah, I mean it's not their thing. Yeah,
but they thought they wanted to extend their remit. They
wanted to extend their kingdom to include that as well,
which just really brought to light how ridiculous the whole

(15:05):
thing is.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
But on the standards, I mean, what standard are appropriate
to people? When you talk about standards when it comes
to broadcasting, what do people want to see? What does
that actually mean in real terms?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah? So I Z one hundred and eighty ten and
eighty Because ultimately, if you don't like what you hear
and you don't think that, say a show like Tyler
and My Show lives up to the standards of broadcasting
that you want to hear, then you'll stop listening, right Yeah,
so we'll be punished by that. So the broadcasting standards,
these are the ones for radio because that's where we're in,

(15:38):
right Ye. The Broadcasting Center THORI enforces a code of
broadcasting standards. Key restrictions include good taste and decency, no
explicit sexual content, extreme language, or offensive material outside appropriate
context ea g. Time of day, or audience, violence. Must
not promote or glamorize violence. I've done that a lot.
Discrimination and denigration not allowed to get involved in that.

(16:03):
According to the Imbalanced, important public issues should present significant viewpoints, Accuracy.
The news current fears must be factually correct and not misleading. Wow,
that's something that's you know anyway, Let's not go into that.
Privacy cannot disclose private facts about identifyle individuals without justification.
I do that to my partner all the time. Fairness
individuals organizations discuss must be treated fairly. Right, And of

(16:26):
course there's already defamation law that sits outside of the
broadcasting standards. Obviously everyone's beholden to. You can't broadcast broadcast
false statements that damage someone's reputation. That's sounded by the
courts and not the BSA obviously, and hamdful and illegal
content laws can broadcast material that breaks criminal laws, including
inciting violence. You know all that kind of stuff, right,

(16:48):
Juction mirror material, Yeah, And I mean look, let this
takes to see it yet A guys, standards are important.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Just because the Internet is a dumpsterify it doesn't mean
we want you to fall into that too. There needs
to be a bstion of dignity in some spaces are broadcasting.
As the wild gets more extreme, people hopefully will be
looking for places that uphold some standards of decency. Whether
the BSA are the right ones to regulate that is
another question, But I still think standards need to be uphold.

(17:15):
We can't all fit into a fall into a pit
of despair. When it comes to what's on the internet.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Russell says, if preschool teachers swore like Heather does, you
wouldn't like it. Heither is swearing more and more and
thinks it's funny, but it only shows who she works for. Yeah,
but preschool teachers, right, they work for the government and
they're teaching kids. New Stalk ZB is a private company
that makes money from advertising, and Heather show is extremely popular.

(17:46):
It certainly is, and people line up to advertise on
it for that reason, And so she's getting it right
in terms of her audience. It's a very different thing
from a preschool teacher. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, But also I
don't know, I've never heard her use any any of
the full on naughty words because that would lose listeners.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
And I got to say so frequently teachers outside the
classroom woo. Some of them use very very naughty woods.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Keep those seas coming through on nine to ninety two.
But keen on your thoughts. Oh eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty when it comes to standards, what standards
actually matter when it comes to broadcasting or what you
see on the Internet or YouTube. Oh eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call. We've
got the headlines coming up. Then we are going to
catch up with Shane Curry enzed Me, editor at large
and also writer of the Popular Media Insider. He's been

(18:35):
covering this for a long time, so we'll catch up
with him in a few Minutes's twenty nine past.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
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Speaker 15 (18:48):
Prime Minister Chris Luxon Hope's talks between the US and
Iran tonight will result in enduring peace. US Vice President J. D.
Varns is leading an American contingent to Pakistan for negotiations
with Iran over the ceasefire agreement. Household budgets are under
straying as start of year cast Bite a Benz survey
has found nearly hardh of respondents feel more pressure at

(19:10):
this time more than any other due to school fees,
uniforms and childcare. Mayor Wayne Brown says the cities the
deal with the government is acknowledging the city's importance as
deal with the Prime Minister is aimed at unlocking Auckland's potential.
In New Zealand's planning to expand digital ID testing for
Australia bound travelers. Instead of requiring travelers to repeatedly present

(19:33):
their passports at checkpoints, facial scanning cameras will be used.
There are reports of serious injuries after a crash involving
a car and cyclist in Tasman's Lower Mortality. The incident
is blocking the intersection of Edwards and Central Roads place.
I'm tempted to scrap it. The biggest sign yet the
broadcasting Standards Authority is doomed. Read more at ends at

(19:54):
Herald Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Thank you very much. When it is twenty seven to two.
So the government is considering scrapping the Broadcasting Standards Authority
as part of broader media reforms. Or proposal comes from
concerns that the current system is outdated and fragmented.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Hane Curry is enzed Me.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Editor at large and right of the Popular Media Media
inside a column. He's been following this in depth and
he joins us now Shane, good afternoon, both.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
So what does the BSA actually cover? Shamee.

Speaker 16 (20:22):
So the BSA right now and today, it would argue
that actually its remit actually covers more than is written
down in legislation. But officially it has been in place
for thirty seven years and covers television radio, your show
in resistance right now.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
It's us Matt.

Speaker 16 (20:39):
Matt's probably been in front of the BSA a few
times fail over the years, over the years, over the years, yes,
But of course, a couple of weeks ago it put
out a legal opinion and its own position that it
now has jurisdiction over Sean Plunkets, the platform which has
been an online only media broadcast or if you like,
and a big argument as to whether or not, of

(21:01):
course it does actually have that jurisdiction, and that's led
to a major political argument. We've seen both Winston Peters
and the ACT Party come out and say they want
the BSA abolished. The whole media regulation landscape needs to
be reformed and a lot of people are pushing for
one superregulator. And this morning the latest development is that

(21:23):
the Media and Communications Minister Paul Godsmith has said yes,
I am actually tempted to scrap it. He's got three
options as he sees it. The main option that he
seems to be going down the track of now is
to get rid of the BSA and possibly look at
a regulator coming in, such as the Media Council. He
says he likes the Media Council model. The Media Council

(21:45):
looks after text based journalism, so digital, it would look
after video that the Heralds, stuff and others are producing,
as he'd be as well. So it is a bit
of a mishmash. It's confusing for people who are listening
or reading as to if they have a complaint about
content where they had to the lights of Netflix and
some of these overseas streams don't have any kind of safeguards.

(22:07):
And also all this needs to be tied in together.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, I mean it's nineteen eighty nine, so the famously
changing media landscape. It's quite amazing that it's just sitting there,
but doesn't make many people, I imagine, feel comfortable when
a government legislated organization, although they describe as independent, decides
to try and extend the kingdom of areas they can censor.

(22:31):
We don't like that, do we.

Speaker 8 (22:32):
Well?

Speaker 16 (22:32):
To be fair to the bsay Matt, they have actually
been pushing for about two decades for reform themselves. And
I wonder if they have actually forced the government's hand
purposely here, because you know, they until now have been
restricted to television and radio content. They are probably seeing
this whole landscape sort of changing, and you know where
audiences are heading before them. They have argued that, yep,

(22:56):
we need change here, and so it almost forced the
government's hand and to change here saying we'll take on
the platform's content then if no one else will, and
so that certainly has led to this political people.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
It must seem ridiculous to them if you're going into
work whenever they meet and in their pockets on their phones,
they've got the world of the most offensive and legally
dodgy material you could possibly imagine from all kinds of creators,
not just in New Zealand, but fromround the world. It's
not a situation. Now we've got three TV channels and

(23:31):
some radio stations. It's all there. Meanwhile, they are beating
up on a tiny, tiny part of the media, in
my opinion, the media that pays taxes, employees, people, and
is a positive within New Zealand. That's precisely right.

Speaker 16 (23:49):
And the argument from the New Zealand media companies is
and from the lights of the production companies and so forth,
is that the local production companies is that on a
number of issues, the international streamers have to contribute much
more to New Zealand society and regulating them to it
to a certain extent is necess Now. Former Judge David

(24:10):
Harvey's put out a great paper that's been released today
that's part of the media inside a column that's available,
but it's a fascinating paper. He's also a free speech
advocate's and he's saying, you know, there is an importance
here between making sure the regular tree environment is right
but also balancing the importance of making sure free speech
is still there.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
The government's in a tricky position here, isn't it, Particularly
Paul Goldsmith, that even if they scraps the BSA and
then it's under the media accounts, or they try to
rewrite the Broadcasting Act to encompass this new modern environment.
I mean that that's trying to regulate the Internet, and
they know they've come into problems trying to regulate the
Internet in some circles before, so they're in a real
tricky position here on how can we still maintain some standards,

(24:54):
but at the same time, how do we determine who
is under our remed and who is not.

Speaker 16 (24:58):
Yeah, and that's what makes former Judge David Harvey's paper
so interesting, and that he's broken down this one sort
of I guess if you like a superregulator, but within
that having three different the visions which look at separately
news media, then other content that we see on the Internet,
and then the lights of the local stream of the
international streamers and so forth. So there are ways and

(25:19):
means that you can delineate those different types of content
and ensuring that free speech is still upheld, and that
as I say that some of these international outfits are
held to account.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Imagine a world where this show, and let's say, because
this is our radio station news talks, he'd be wasn't
regulated by any government body outside of defamation law and
harmful and legal content laws. Would the world end? Would
the whole society burned down and people would just suddenly

(25:54):
be disgusted and shocked all the time. Or would we
regulate because we need to keep an audience.

Speaker 16 (25:59):
You need to keep an audience. But you did write
around the Defamation Act and the other legislation that's already
in place, and of course that does you know, whenever
we're writing articles for the Herald or producing content for
news talks, he'd me, we always have in mind those
the journalistic principles and my case and for you guys,
the broadcasting principles that need to be upheld and maintained.

(26:19):
And you know, we've often got lawyers alongside us helping
us with our stories and with our journalism to make
ensuring it's you know, fear accurate and balanced and absolutely Matt,
you know where the Media Council itself is self regulatory.
And that's the kind of model that Paul Godsmith's looking
at for the entire content industry.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
The just the final thing on it. We have no
power as a country to tell the big companies like
Meta what to do. They just won't. If you try
and tell YouTube to change its content to fit what
we want, they'll go no, or just leave. So aren't
we in a situation where we're not. We're a tiny

(27:02):
little country, we're a tiny little market. We don't have
any say on what happens with what they do, So
why would we try and have Why would you kneecap
our own businesses that pay taxes? As I say, yeah,
I do think things are changing internationally, not just not
necessarily on this particular aspect and point, but if you
look at the lights of the band on social media
for the under sixteens in Australia and other countries, that

(27:23):
and that's obviously what the government here is considering. I
do think, you know, there's been a lot of commentary
in the last month or so that the social media
giants are facing their big tobacco moment, and that's being
driven by consumers worried about the I guess the impact
that it's having, particularly on young people. You know, we're
seeing cases this week of a young kid who took

(27:45):
their own life as a result of being extorted desperately
through social media, desperately sad, and I think, you know,
it's a reguard action, I guess, but I do think
there will be change in this area in the next
few years.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, it's a fascinating, fascinating situation. Shane, thank you very
much for coming and even.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yet with us. You have a good afternoon. Thanks guys,
catch up again as soon.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
That is Shane Curry ended me editor at large and
rider of the Popular Media in So taking your calls
on that eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
It is nineteen to two.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk, say'd.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Be it is sixteen to two. So we're talking about
the potential scrapping of the Broadcast Broadcasting Standards Authority. That's
what Paul Goldsmith mentioned to Ryan Bridge this morning. Plenty
of texts coming through, but let's go to Alan get Allen.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yeah, the wholeheartly that last speaking he covered all of
it basically, and I think it does need scrapping because
says the rules are written, it doesn't have jurisdiction over
anyet in any capacity. They may think they do, but
they don't. If it was challenged in law, that'd lose

(28:56):
it and over first.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't even know how they would
even start when the Internet is as close to infinite
as any media is likely to come in our country,
and people can just rustle up whatever they want to watch.
So what do you do? Do you do?

Speaker 9 (29:11):
You do?

Speaker 4 (29:13):
They send a sternly worded letter to Rus. You know,
Joe Rogan when he steps outside of what is seen
by the New Zealand Broadcasting Standards Association is a breach
of good taste and decency.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Ellen, Yeah, that's why I say it's a it's a joke,
like if I heard something come off British broadcasting by
the net. They have no jurisdiction over there on it. No,
they couldn't do a deem thing. Do you think they're
laughing in the wind?

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Do you think allan that broadcasting say, the the kind
of broadcasters that the Broadcasting Standards Authority was set up
to regulate in the Broadcasting Act nine eighty nine. Do
you think are you happy with the standard of broadcasting
that that you hear in terms of you know, good
taste and decency and all those things balance our accuracy, privacy, fairness,

(30:04):
all those kind of things. Do you do you see that.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
When you see it? Accuracy? You lost me there lost it.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
TV would be the biggest culper in that area. So yeah,
they have a place in there in domestic radio, but
they can't overreach. They shouldn't overreach it. It's good to
have good basic standards, human standards and no defamation on individuals.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
But that's self regulating, isn't it. Alan, that's self regulating.
I mean, you mentioned a shame befomat, but I think
it's a good point that if the BSA were to
disappear and we've got no boy, no government body looking
after what we broadcast, It's not like tomorrow We're going
to start using swear words and going completely ballistic. We
just wouldn't because our audience would not expect that from us,
and they would leave in droves.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Yeah, we just turned off, and that would be the
biggest policing achieve. Get a lot of listeners turn off
to them. Don't have a few that hang in there,
but the rest of the population would turn awten wasting
the time.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Thank you so much for your call, Ellen, I appreciate it.
Accuracy is an interesting one. Using current affairs must be
factually correct and not misleading. That's a that's a tough
one because I would say there's a lot of there's
a lot of news and current affairs that are that
are intentionally misleading. Yeah, I mean there's a particular example,
and actually I'm not sure how this one. I know

(31:32):
there was complaints about it. I'm not sure how this one.
I should look into it how it came up. But
accusations that are visit to our Shaws was making far
right signals when she was doing up the zip on
her jacket, which was the most insane thing that I
think any media organization has ever claimed about someone, Completely
an utterly insane and fabricated accusation. Yeah, you know, in

(31:56):
a huge, long interview to just pack a movement that
is quite normal for someone and put all this this this,
you know, these accusations and conspiracy theories behind it. Yeah,
so I know that we can plants. I look and
see if that one, that one got uphel.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, because you know, yeah, wild assumptions like that in
a news report to say, do you like they were
doing this, but there's no proof to it.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Everyone in that newsroom that made that accusation was either
in such a deep bubble that they thought it was
real or being actively malicious.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
I would say, yeah, taking your call. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. What do
you think about the Broadcasting Standards Authority doesn't make any
sense in twenty twenty six, if you want to send
a text, nine two nine two is that number.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
It's twelve to two.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
NEWSTALGSB news DOALGSB. It's nine to two.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Guys. You're obviously told by the powers that be not
to mention some things. You never speak on the subject
of Chris Hipkins lying about the COVID nineteen vaccine. No,
we did talk about that the other day. We're not
We're not under.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
I think you just proved that Texas point, though the
very fact that you read it out would say that, No,
there's no overarching.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
What powers it be? We're talking about the powers that
be from the Broadcasting Standards Association. So what that thing
I was talking about before? While the BSA did uphold
a complaint against news Hub, this report blurred. This person
was talking about his hands while she was zipping up
her top and claimed she was using a hand signal

(33:31):
link to white supremacist, which was a completely and utterly
insane thing to say, So that was upheld. I'm not
sure what the punishment was.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
A couple more teachs coming through on nine two nine two.
This one says, guys, two things. One totally agree with
Matt in a way, Whilst there needs to be standards
and broadcasting, what's the point and a regulator who has
no influence over TikTok etc. Two for later. Oh, he
wants to talk about a utes a little bit later on.
But to that first point, Yeah, that's exactly what we're saying, right,

(34:02):
What is the point in the regulator that can't do
anything about TikTok videos?

Speaker 3 (34:05):
YouTube, Facebook reddits?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
The list goes on, and I could sit here all
day talking about the various Internet content that exists.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, I mean it's one of those things, you know why.
And it's interesting what Shane Curry said before media inside
that perhaps I've been a little bit unfair because I
saw what the BSA was doing was in an attempt
to extend their remit and a chilling gambit to try

(34:35):
and censor more more people by claiming that if it
looks like a radio show. It is a radio show,
which just seems like the most insane thing to say.
But his reading on it is that what they might
have been doing is testing it because they're sitting there
going what we're doing is absolutely ridiculous. It's humiliating. We're
walking to work every day feeling red in the face
because we're we're what we're doing here? Yeah, and if

(34:57):
that's everything is going on the internet, what are we
doing here and just testing the government to see what
the limits of what they're doing is. I mean, that's
the your men view of what they're doing. Yeah, yeah,
maybe that's the case. And if that's the case, then
then you know that that definitely does need to be tested. Absolutely,
But they might test themselves out of existence. Yeah, maybe

(35:19):
that's what they want, yep, spot on. Maybe they want
their Wednesday afternoons.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
But Maria, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 11 (35:27):
Good?

Speaker 17 (35:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Now you think we still need to be essay?

Speaker 17 (35:31):
Yeah, I think. Look, I think there's definitely a role
for that organization. And I do get the point that
people are saying, Look, there's so much out online and
sometimes you think anything goes But I think most people
still understand that there are platforms where you have anything goes,
and then you have to trusted platforms like your own,
you know, your own newscast where people, I mean they

(35:53):
have a privileged platform. There were a lot of people
are listening in. You're reaching a lot of people and
that needs to be monitored for standards. I talk from
a personal perspective. I have actually put in a complaint
against something that had I mentioned once in one of
the broadcasts, and it was a fairly straightforward process. I
first came to do sooks at B I was referred

(36:15):
to the B s A and you know, and so
off your ends. But I think it's important that there's
some kind of regulation there. And I don't believe you
should be on the same platform as a TikTok. It
is very different.

Speaker 12 (36:28):
You have a lot of times do.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
You think do you think that it's fear though, Maria,
that that you know, anyone can complain and then a
company like news Talks z B and I don't know
anything about your complaint. We don't need to go into
that details. And you sound like a lovely person, but
but that that every everyone can can complain and a
company that's just trying to make its way in the
world against this onslaught of overseas media with no rules

(36:52):
it's trying to make their way, has to spend so
much of their time, you know, as as a company
as news talk z'd be going through each complaint and
dealing with it. Where the people that that this company
is competing against this this channel community don't have to
do that. So it's just a massive resource and levies

(37:12):
to to do this. Do this when when when the
people that that we're competing with that have no rules
don't have to don't have to do that. So it's
a it's a double anchor around our necks.

Speaker 17 (37:23):
Yeah, look at and I understand it, And I don't
believe that things need to be made more difficult for
established places or places as you indicate are up and coming.
But I think when you're working in a very high
trust space, which is media, you know, like like you
guys are, I don't think that I don't think that

(37:43):
you should be put on the same platform as all
of the uprising mistrust anything goes this information type broadcasting
that result there, and I think most people understand the difference.
And look, I have no idea what kind of amount
of complaints an organization like yourself will be dealing with
and I hope it wouldn't be too much that is fixatious.

(38:06):
But I do like, well, yeah, look and like I
don't know that there may be other ways of dealing
with it, but getting let us the BSA. I just
don't really like to think that there wouldn't have been
the avenue that I could take, for example, if I
want to if I'm upset about something that's said and
I wanted to go somewhere and I don't get the

(38:28):
response I feel I should get from from you know,
this organization.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Sorry, it sounds bad that I have to cut you off,
but the news is coming in and we can't stop it.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, but Maria, fantastic points, and thank you very much
for giving us a call. Great discussion. We'll leave it
there because coming up after two o'clock we want to
talk about you drivers. Most of them just use a
you to go to the deairy to why do you
need It's news is.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Next, big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said, be very good Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
You welcome back into the program. It is seven past two.
Let's discuss es you research as questioning how much New
Zealanders actually need our beloved ute, showing that despite their
rugged rural image, most are actually used for everyday urban
trips like shopping, social outings and school dropoffs. The analysis
of national travel data found around two thirds of ute

(39:24):
trips are made in cities, Many are incredibly short journeys,
and nearly nine out of ten trips involved just the driver,
with the back seats rarely used. Researchers say this suggests
the size and power of utes often isn't necessary for
typical daily use, and they question our love affair with
the good old ute.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Ah right, so they don't think, what if I wanted you?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
It's a little bit judge, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (39:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
That last part is say why are you so in
love with your ute? New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
I bought a brand new, beautiful ute. I was very
happy with it, and I went to take my kid
to cricket and one of the mothers said, what are
you building now? It's a good sledge yeah, and i' well,
but I was like, no, no, We'll use this ute
for taking the kids skiing. Like I've got all this

(40:14):
the cricket gear in the back. This this urban ute,
I've got this, this this massive four wheel drive. I
always wanted to ut and then I got a ute,
and I was so happy with my ute. It can
take you anywhere. Well, I mean there's that that people
when they buy ute and correct me if I'm wrong,
because I haven't owned a You. But you look at
that Berry Crump image right of driving up the hills.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
You look at the.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Ute ads itself, and maybe we find a Ford Ranger
ad so we can play that. But it is always
driving like right next to a cleft, on top of
a massive mountain, smashing down the beach. All these places
that are Ford focus would never be able to get.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
The thing as Tyler that that's how cars assault you.
You never see that. Cars aren't sold to you about
the commute to work. They sell freedom to you. They
sell the dream of getting out and expanding your life.
Yes they don't accel. They sell the idea that you'll
you'll have you and your family do amazing thing. It's adventure,
isn't it. It is so so you know you think

(41:11):
you're going to be bashing over some tussock, you know,
chasing a pig, but in actuality you just end up
struggling to parallel park it on a narrow street near
your work.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, so one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
If you've got a ute, do you genuinely use it
for all that it can do? The four wheel drive?
And do you get it out into the mud? Do
you take it off road? Or be honest, do you
just use it to drop the kids off at school
and shoot down to the dairy? Is there anything wrong
with what I did, which was run a ute as
a rolling extra shed or I kept stuff that didn't

(41:48):
have room for anywhere else.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
And you know a lot of sports gear. It had
the snowboarding gear in there all year round.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
How many times you go snowboarding?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Well, I'd always think, as I bought this uet because
I thought I'd start going snowboarding and skiing in the
North Island, but then I started. But I always go
to the South Island because I love it down there.
So I was flying down there and tinger four by
four always the way. Hey guys, I'm in a brand
new Ranger. Don't really need it, but so wanted it. Yeah,
I love this guy. I could have had a red
four but stuff hybrid, love the diesel and the power.

(42:21):
Don't need the room, and I'm not paying for the
fuel work has been but yeah, look I'm with Ben.
I don't really need it, but I want it. What's
wrong with that?

Speaker 10 (42:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
What do you say?

Speaker 11 (42:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Even if you don't
need you yute for the full will drive capacity, do
you just love it? Nine two ninety two is the
text as well. It is ten past two.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 12 (42:47):
Said be.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Thirteen past two.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
The six's is Barry Crump. Barry Crump rode a highlights,
not a ranger. You nob Tyler never said that Barry
Crump drove a ranger.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Said yute, and a highlus is a yute.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Everyone knows that Barry Crump drove a highlights. I could
equally say to you, Texter, Barry Crump didn't ride I
like sident road a high LUNs. He was driving it,
although when they went back to the city Scotty was
driving it wasn't he certainly was. And then Parry was
the one that was Scared of the Aukland Traffic. A
great series of airs. Obviously Hunt for the Water People,

(43:23):
which honors that is back in the theaters. What a
great movie that.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Is your ten years Jared.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Welcome the show, Jared. Oh, Jared, Sorry you're there.

Speaker 11 (43:34):
Jared, yeah, man, there you're going.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Oh good. Sorry I hadn't turned your phone. I'm sorry
about that.

Speaker 10 (43:38):
Jared.

Speaker 11 (43:38):
Welcome to radio.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Hurricane is Immateury are from me.

Speaker 11 (43:45):
Good the show, guys. And by the way, you guys
do do a fine job.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I think you mate, mate.

Speaker 11 (43:54):
You you're talking my language. Yeah. I owned a hole
in youth and I use it for work and I
I absolutely absolutely love it.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
So what do you do for a job. You're trading, so.

Speaker 11 (44:13):
It's very practical to use. And I threw a ut
to a van. But I have to say I've lost
count owning a home. How many times of a week
you're going to go to the dump and get rid
of stuff?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
They are great dumb vehicles, It's so true.

Speaker 11 (44:31):
Yeah, but for someone.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like you, Jared s you've got a genuine use for
having a ute. But this research would say most of
the ute drivers out there they've never got, you know,
never ridden over a bit of dirt, let alone taking
at full wheel driving? Do you look at other ute
drivers and just think you've got no business being in that?

Speaker 11 (44:52):
Yeah? Yeah, I look at something. I think they're because
you see a lot of SUVs and that type on
the roads these days, and a lot of them are
very well they're double caves and they've got very little
room in the back of them. I mean, you're not
going to get much in the here. I mean mine's
a single cab and you get a lot of room

(45:13):
to put get. I do look at something think they're
not really a true if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, So you've had three us in your time, Jared,
is the holding the one for you?

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Has it always been holding?

Speaker 11 (45:30):
Actually I've got that wrong with Andrew, You've on I've
had no. This is the first holding and the first
V eight U that I've owned, and oh it doesn't
get much better than owning of V eight So you.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Just say that sound alone, mate? So how often would
you take a full driving.

Speaker 11 (45:52):
Now it's not it's not full drive, yeah it's yeah,
So yeah that that that option is not there. But
I get a lot of joy out of it, and
I'm a proud owner of you. That's for real good.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Well, we see that simultaneously. The sticks is the best
thing about a ute, and I agree with this one
hundred percent, is you can drive over curbs and run
about curbs, sweet ass, so you can turn around about
you can just go straight through a roundabout. That's that's great,
and there's no need to turn and you know, in
a parking situation, you don't have to drive all the

(46:29):
way to the exit. You can just go out over
the top, over the over whatever grassy knol there is there.
You can you can go over whatever curbs and then
and then just into the you know the road, how
you how you feel. But but great for parking forwards
because you just go up onto the pavement, yep. I
mean that's that's amazing. And as someone says, you need

(46:49):
you need a basically to stop bottoming out on all
the the curbs you're riding over. Well, no, on all
the speed bumps. Yeah, basically the getting around nowadays you do.
There's so many speed bumps and you can and a
ute you can you can just get over them much easier.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
That's a very fair points.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Taking your calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty
plenty of teas coming through on nine to ninety two.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
It's selling muppets and illusion of being a giga chad
when reality you're a soy boy living in a villa
in mountain and driving little Ford font Roy to school
and back bight to school. You want have a good one,
love your work, kind regards.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, bless your mark.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
I mean that's kind of that as part of it.
That's kind of what I can see what you're saying.
You are just living and that's very accurate to me
living in a mountain villa. But it's target you are.
You asked you when you buy you? You do feel
kind of you said Tyler, that you're you're more yeah, adventurous.
Yeah yeah yeah that when when actually you are just

(47:53):
you can you can do it all in a in
a Suzuki Swift.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yeah, Martin, how are your mate?

Speaker 6 (47:59):
I'm good?

Speaker 18 (47:59):
Thanks, Happy Friday to yere, Happy Friday. Hey, look I've
I bought a you. I've basically I've been driving news
some vands for forty years for work, and then when
I retired, I was planning on going contracting, so I
bought a Yuke because it meant Mum would sit in
the yuke where she wouldn't want to sit in a van.
But yeah, like nine months later, I haven't really contracting,

(48:21):
hasn't gone anywhere, so I'm looking at getting rid of
it because it's just a big blue lump in the
driveway which drinks diesel like it's going out of fashion.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
How often do you have to take stuff to the dump,
that's my question for you.

Speaker 18 (48:35):
Martin, to be fair, probably every couple of three months.
But then if that's the case, you either get one
of those those skip bags in or wait for the inorganic.
You know, it's I think I've been to the dump

(48:57):
twice in it in nine months. One I put stuff
in the tray, the other one I had a trailer.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Yeah, so you know for the urban wounders like me
that are running a ute, well, it feels good when
you've got a reason to use it when you go out.

Speaker 18 (49:14):
And literally it was the day after I picked it
up a phone call, Oh you've got a ute. Now
you can come and help us move with this furniture.
And then it's got a toe bar. You can toe
this trailer for us. Yes, right, it's the big blue Ranger.
I love it, but it's you know, now in Diesel's

(49:37):
nearly four dollars a liter, I'm driving around in a
twenty year old Honda Fit. I was so much cheaper
a run.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
See, that's what you need. It's like it's like having
a you know, having a tender hanging out the back
of your launch. So you've got that, you've got the ute,
but you can getting around in the fits well.

Speaker 18 (49:54):
Amazingly, there's actually more space in the back of the
Honda Fit when you put the seats down than there
is in the back of a yute.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
That's what when I first got my ute, I was
surprised how much little, how small the what's really as well? Yeah,
you know, because because I just imagine it's so big.
When I was driving it out of the dealership, I
was like yes, But then I was like, hey, I'm
feeling quite cramped in here.

Speaker 18 (50:19):
Yeah. Yeah, but the back seats there's there's plenty of
room in it, but it's not as comfortable for an adult.
I mean, kids are probably okay, but I mean if
you've got a sedan or a station Winger or an suv,
they are more comfortable in the back.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Now do you have it? Do you have a tray,
a cover over.

Speaker 18 (50:37):
Your tray I've got I've got a hard cover which
is just a fiber last one, Yeah, which kind of
restricts the space a bit.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Yeah, it's quite small with it on. And also they
need to work out the technology for for getting a
tray on and off so it can be done by
one person. I was doing it the other day and
I was in a turtle like position in the back,
pulling a little nuts out and balancing it on my
feet and hands to get it off the off the back.
There needs to be there needs to be am. I
maybe I'm missing out on some technology.

Speaker 18 (51:04):
Here's maybe you need a large canopy with the big
side doors on it.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
I would love that. Now you're talking. Now you've got
some space.

Speaker 18 (51:13):
Yeah, So I was looking at doing that, but then
the cost of those is prohibitive. So like, I'm probably
gonna get rid of the Ranger and get a a
mid sized suv because it's just it'll do everything I need.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Are you storing a lot of stuff in the back
of your.

Speaker 12 (51:29):
Ut and not the towel?

Speaker 6 (51:31):
No? I was.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
That's a great way to burnel.

Speaker 18 (51:35):
There was a little cooker so you can go out
and have a picnic or.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
It's the dream mad that's what you want to get.

Speaker 18 (51:41):
But you can do that in the station wagon or
in the back of be honder Foot.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
What about what we were talking about before, in terms
of heading into parks, front ways and going up on
the curb with no problems at all.

Speaker 18 (51:53):
Yeah, now that's that's no. I mean, you've got these
roundabouts are putting anywhere. They're like a two inch concrete
web in the middle. You just try straight over the problem, don't.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
You don't have to you don't have to worry the
steering wheel. You're just straight through.

Speaker 18 (52:07):
Heading out into the To be fair, I've only got
a two wheel drive, yeah, which is more economical than
the four wheel drive, but it's it's got a limited
slip diff and most of the places I go, I'm
not going to be mud plugging. So at most of
the gravel road, maybe a grassy paddock and that'll be it.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
So what was your rationale forgetting that in the first place, Martin,
Because you haven't had it long and you're already looking
around going, oh, I don't need this thing.

Speaker 18 (52:31):
Well, no, I was the plan when I retired. I
was going to go and I'm an engineer. I was
going to go do some contract.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Oh yes, yes, yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that
makes sense.

Speaker 18 (52:41):
That sort of fell over, and it's just been it's
been very convenient for moving things and going on holiday.
Or it's a great road trip vehicle. Yeah, and it's
surprising on a road trip, surprisingly economical, but it's when
it's round town a three point two liter five cylinder

(53:03):
automatic is quite thirsty.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Yeah. I'm trying to widget into a tiny park at
the supermarket with four thousand other people around.

Speaker 18 (53:12):
I'm comfortable to walk from the far side of the
car park spot that's easy and just walk there.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
I ordered to talk about this. There's two types of
people in the world, right yep. I was reading about
this the other day. People that will drive around forever
at a car park trying to find a park that's
right in front of where they want to be, or
people that and these are the same people that just
take a convenient park and walk one hundred meters yep,
or two hundred meters or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I read the same thing, and I think it made
a fair argument that it determines who wants the shortcuts
in life and who's okay to have a little bit
of work in their life that if you're one of
those people that takes the far car park, you're someone
who doesn't mind putting in a bit of graft in
your life. You know, you do what you need to
do to make things as simple as possible versus the
ones that want the shortcut just driving around and round.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
But see right, I can't eve give my head around
that because the driving around and around is my worst nightmare.
I'd rather park two kilometers away than just circle circle
of car park looking for a park. Yeah, you know,
humiliating yourself like a seagull waiting for someone to pull out.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Yeah, nicely said mate.

Speaker 11 (54:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's twenty four past.

Speaker 12 (54:21):
Two, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty on youth
Talk ZB very good afternoons.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Youre it's twenty seven past two and we're talking about youts.
Do you use your ute for all that it's cutted
out to do? And even if you use it just
to go down to the shops, is there anything wrong
with that? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Mike's a
good man to chat to get a Mike.

Speaker 11 (54:46):
Matte.

Speaker 8 (54:46):
How did it go?

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Very good? Tell us your story.

Speaker 8 (54:50):
I was working at cable Price Toyota in Newmarket in
the early eighties, and I've read the very Crumb books,
and in fact, you used to live around the corner
from me in Parnell, so I knew what he looked
like in person. Anyway, he walked into the showroom and
I walked up to him and said, you know how
the going, mate, And he said, oh, pretty good? And

(55:11):
I said what do you after he said, oh, I
want to know how I can get a free yut
and I said what.

Speaker 6 (55:17):
I said, what do you mean?

Speaker 8 (55:18):
And he said, I've been down to this son down
the road and they didn't want to help me because
they didn't recognize someone gave him the bum so rash.
He went him at Subishi and he didn't have much
luck with him, and were the next cab on the
rare on the thing and I said, I said, mate,
don't you go anywhere. I said, boy, have I got
a deal for you? And he said. I went upstairs
and saw the boss, the big cheese, and I said,

(55:40):
I got very crumbed downstairs and he was like who's
he and all the rest of it these days. We
were in there, I said, mate, don't let this one
go by. I believe me, I said. He said, well
wheeling then, so I bought him up STIs into the
the big room and he had a chat with the
guy called Gary at the time, who was the manager,
and he said, well, he didn't say to know much
about it. He doesn't bring to out in New Zealand

(56:01):
and see what they think. And when toy out in
New Zealand pairs that he was wanting a yucht toyota yt,
I thought, when there's a deal here, and sort of
that going onward, Barry drove toyotas.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
You started the whole thing, Mike, you started the whole
iconnor with Barry crump hiluxe thing.

Speaker 8 (56:20):
Because without that he would have used advertising Listen would
have grabbed them or someone else did. But I was
the one in the sharon at the time that I
was not read all his box. And when I saw
him in Purse are you? He lived around the corner,
so he was a grumpy old prick. Heflf all the
time and show what to do and stuff.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
What kind of house does Barry Crump living in Parnew.
That's not That's not how you imagined Barry Crumb.

Speaker 8 (56:45):
That was a normal house in the middle of Parnell,
you know. I mean that the house was here now
do with a three million, but it was in those days.
They were at Marshalls there ready grand but he lived
there find the big fins. And so when he walked in,
you know, he said, I know, no one wants to
talk with someone. They looked at the disappointment. I said,
look mate, He said, how do I get a free
And I said, it's just hang on a minute. I
think you're on a winner here. And I had to

(57:07):
talk them often to speaking to Twitter because he didn't
sort of know much about us. And the next thing,
you know, within twenty four hours it was all on.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
That is amazing, Mike, And if you think about it,
so you know, those ads went for a long time.
They had the tenth anniversary ad when they when they
sang that song together the two of them. What was
the other guy's name?

Speaker 6 (57:26):
Was that?

Speaker 10 (57:28):
Dick?

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Am I getting that name right? No, I'll get the
bottom of the other guy. That's Barry Crump in the highlights.

Speaker 19 (57:38):
Yeah, yeah, but I was fascinating outstarted, and so he
could have arguably gone down the road and maybe listened enough,
you know whatever whatever to figure out what But what.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
I'm saying, what I'm saying, Mike, is that that then
was a big part of the Hunt for the Wader
People movie, which is based on the Barry camp book
and which is just out in the theaters now. So
so it's been it's been put back out after ten years,
that's been released because it's such a great movie and
such success. So you've had a great You've had a

(58:14):
huge influence on New Zealand culture with your your suggesting
that they give Barry cap Crumper a ute. So buddy
got on you, Mike. That's impressive stuff. What a story.
Pleasure to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, fantastic. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We're talking newts. If you've got one,
what you love it? Nine to nine tools of text
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Speaker 12 (59:49):
Now back to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Thank you very much, Wendy.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
We're talking about a new research that shows most ute
drivers in New Zealand just use it for short trips
like shopping, social outings or school dropoffs.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
The sextus says Matt. The other guy was Scotty. Yeah,
I knew it was Scotty, but Lloyd Scott was the actor. Yes,
thank you David for sending seeing that through. So who
was Dick Weir then, because I thought that the person
playing Scottie was Dick Weir. And Dick Were was sort
of around at the same time a broadcaster in New Zealand,
and I believe Dick Were is the father of Barnaby

(01:00:20):
Ware from the band The Black Seeds. But Lloyd Scott
was also a broadcaster on children's television, right, and then
he was hired to do these ads with Barry Crump
in the Highlight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
That's right, Yeah, yeah, Dickwere was definitely in the mix
somewhere there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
No, no, no, no, Dick We wasn't no Dick We
wasn't in the car. It was Lloyd Scott. Oh, okay,
Dick where was nowhere near the highlight? Okay, he even
saw highlights in his whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Okay, good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Was Lloyd Scott playing Scotty? Of course, Lloyd Scott Scotty. Yeap,
that makes sense, makes a lot of sense. It wasn't Dickie.
It was Dick Weir or weary.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
God bless the text machine for sorting that out. Thank
you very much. We're getting a heap of texts coming
through on this one. But let's go to Jeff mates.

Speaker 20 (01:01:00):
I Tyler Matte I must. I've had a couple of highlightses.
I've got a fully not the latest model, but one
coming up or what will be a year old soon,
and I've used it. I've been a trail motorbike trail
bike rider, and I've put a frame a carry stand
across the back so I don't have towe a trailer
on it. So I've been to probably fifty trail bike

(01:01:24):
rides all over the country just at every weekend. I
found one and off to it. So it says all
the fuel not having to tow a trailer. And I've
got a hard deck on it so i can lock
all my gear, put on my fuel and tools in
the back. It's been awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
And what typ of highlights is a Jeff.

Speaker 20 (01:01:43):
It's just a four before. Yeah, just been to two
point eight moder It's awesome, good visibility things, but higher up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Yeah, good on you, Jeff, Yeah, fair enough too.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
So this pushes back a little bit on this this
listeners texts here everyone hates you drivers. Just go to
r Auckland or our New Zealand on Reddit. We all
get on there and complain about how ranger drivers are
selfish park is. So if you get a ute, just
know we'lllaughing at you. Well, just so you know, I'm
laughing at you for being on our Auckland and our
New Zealand on Reddit complaining about how people.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Part Oh man, that that subreddit is the biggest bunch
of winges I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
I used to really like that subreddit. That are New
Zealand and My god, if you want to be depressed
about life in New Zealand, go and spend ten minutes
on that subreddit. It is the most miserable and miserable time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
One point read it as a social media site, was
at the forefront of intelligent conversation, and now it is
worse than the letters to the TV Guide in the
nineteen nineties. Yeah, it is the you know when every
letter used to be winding about the ads. Yep, I
thank you for putting on a TV show between the ads.

(01:02:53):
You know that kind of complaint for someone to text
in and show off that they're on our New Zealand
or our Auckland complaining about selfish parking and saying so
if you get in a ute, just know we're laughing
at you. You need to look in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
The mirror, go and touch the grass just outside.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Ask yourself who who is worthy of laughing at the
people that are driving around utes. Probably trades, probably doing
great business and keeping the economy going. You know, the
people that actually do the hard work that physically make
things continue in our society, you know, and you're showing

(01:03:34):
off that you sit on a Reddit sub edit and
judge them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Well done, good good work.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
This is Have you got a taser? If you've got
If that text has got a taser at home, could
you please turn it on yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Keep those things coming through nine nine two kid a Roger, Yes.

Speaker 21 (01:03:52):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
You love you yet.

Speaker 21 (01:03:55):
Yes, I've had I think when I was apprentice back
of the seventies, my first hue was a mainline UT.
I had that for about made to nine years, and
then we got golden retrievers, which we were show doves
and I beat you dog. So I used the utes
for that. Then I moved on to boating, and I've
had a ute right through till now. I've had different boats.

(01:04:18):
Plus also we tow the boat up the TOWERFOA to
the batch up there, so there was the kids, and
you know, the ute was full of stuff. The boat
was full of stuff. We did that for twenty odd years.
And the uses I've got now we're still picking up
stuff in the ute. I'm towing the boat all over
the place. So I've had them for yeah, basically right
through from seventies when I was an apprentice to where
I am now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Do you find Yeah, Yeah, there was a caller before
he mentioned he was looking to get rid of his
ute because part of the problem was when you have
a ute and your friends don't, you're kind of called
upon to help out moving and taking stuff to the
dump and all that sort of plover. It's like being
the only person having a trailer. You never want to
be that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Get better friends, get friends with you.

Speaker 21 (01:04:57):
Yeah, you friends didn't really have Yeah, I didn't really
have too many of those. Mostly my mates or had utes.
As well. Occasionally a sister might bring up was a
family member might want to move a couch or something,
but again that really never happened because I say, it
was always hoped up to the boat. So you know,
we're going fishing jinery all the time. But I've had
like say, full drives, been hunting on them, and I

(01:05:21):
think I've got amrock now and that's my second car,
and you just packed up the driveway waiting for the
weather the clear so we can tow the boat down
and go fishing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
See, but you're you're the exact opposite of what they're
talking about in this article. You've got a ute because
you need a ute, and you use it for all
the things that you need to ute for. So you're
you're a ute man. There's a utility for you, and
you're using it as suck as opposed to these what's
the stat here?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
That that the stat was that around two thirds of
ute trips and maiden cities.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
But that that doesn't prove anything. That stack got. I
hate stats that doesn't prove.

Speaker 21 (01:05:57):
I see people in the full drive, you know, the
big range drovers and stuff like that, and there's just
bum driving around it and probably dropping the kids off,
and that's a huge, great, big vehicle which you could
drive around a little old Suzuki or something, so that
doesn't wash. And again I say, most of mates I've
got that have use they're either trade's or they've got

(01:06:17):
boats or jet skis or whatever, so there is a
reason for it. They don't just drive around because it's
a nice place you put on your roger.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Defending yout drivers, some people are higher than zero. Number
of people want a huge vehicle because it makes them
look skinny. Yep, in comparison makes them look small.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Very true.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Right on one hundred and eighty to eighty is the
number to call. We're talking about ut drivers. If you've
got a ute that you only use in the city,
can you hear your story? Does it make any difference
to you if you haven't used it off road?

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
The sexes any idea when Ford Rangers will start having
indicators install.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I don't think that's in the strategy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
No need.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
It's nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons us talks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
They'd be afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
It is sixteen to three, so we're talking about this
new research questioning how much New Zealanders really need their utes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
If you've got one, why do you have one? I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
I'm a dairy farmer. I laugh at townees with utes.
The only thing more wounding is a towny with a
big American You those rams must be hard to find
a park, the freaking huge Yeah, I'm ass. You know,
if you if you visit Texas, you should. It's a
fantastic place.

Speaker 7 (01:07:32):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Go to Austin, go to Dallas, Yeah, my goodness. But
if you go to Texas, then the car parks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
A huge American size.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
American size. So if you go to a shopping mall there,
the car parks are huge, Like you'll you'll lose you'll
lose a Suzuki Swift and then you go back and
you're ben't able to find it in the park. But here,
if you're driving around one of those rams, how do
you freaking park it?

Speaker 10 (01:07:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
We need bigger car bucks. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number to cool? Get a Jeff? Hey
you boys, how are you very good?

Speaker 6 (01:08:02):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
You just bought a new Raptor.

Speaker 22 (01:08:05):
Yeah, bro, I traded in my World track from last
year and got a wrap.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
The mate, Well, you're going ranger to ranger year to year,
so you've gone have you gone twenty twenty five to
twenty twenty six?

Speaker 8 (01:08:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:08:16):
I did it?

Speaker 22 (01:08:16):
Actually, mate, Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
You're flash what what?

Speaker 10 (01:08:21):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
What is the rap to do that the World track
didn't makes nice noises?

Speaker 10 (01:08:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's the truth.

Speaker 23 (01:08:28):
That's the true.

Speaker 22 (01:08:29):
I mean, it's got a whole lot of features in it.
Then it's all it's all wheel drive, four wheels, so
that's good. But mate, I come back from Texas literally
and it was like, yeah, mate, I got to get
a pick up againa.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
And what are you doing?

Speaker 11 (01:08:41):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Are you one of these people that this article is
judging for just rocking around town and taking your kids
to play center or you you're getting out and about
in your brand new Raptor.

Speaker 22 (01:08:51):
Well, I'm a landscaper and a chef's mate, so I
have a catering company at a landscape company. And it's like,
I chuck, I don't know what I have on the
other day. Twenty one legs of five menuter decking timber
on the back, all my tools off we go.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
But and then then you throw a bunch of sausage
rolls on top of that for your catering industry.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Well leads a lamb or Is there a separation.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Between the food and the landscaping stuff?

Speaker 22 (01:09:15):
Well, it actually works really well, mate, because people get
me to do their parties and then they find out
I do landscaping and I end up doing their properties,
or people get me to do their properties and then
they end up finding out on my shift as well,
and they're like, oh, can you do my hubby's birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
It's that kind of hustle that enables you to be
upgrade a world a twenty twenty five wild Check to
a twenty twenty six Raptor.

Speaker 22 (01:09:37):
Yeah, but you know, all these people giving us stick
about having you its mate, when the cyclone hurts, will
be the ones that will be driving around and they'll
be the ones at home going jee, I wish I
had a youth too order out there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
The thing about someone in you, they don't really care,
Like did you hear before that when I read out
that text from that person on Reddit. People driving seats,
if you're a brand new Raptor, you're not driving around
thinking what's yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
You know, I know some internet commentator doesn't like my youth.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Who cares someone driving around a forefocused thing?

Speaker 22 (01:10:09):
If it were the guys that have a betty peck
in the truck.

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
We have a pump.

Speaker 22 (01:10:14):
Or inflation, we have a speed tank of gas. You know,
you see someone stuck, you pull over, pull them out
or give them a handmade.

Speaker 11 (01:10:20):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
Well, the good news for me, Jiff, is that I've
got your number now because you've rung up. So if
any if the crap goes down this weekend, I'll be
giving you a call. Come around and save me.

Speaker 22 (01:10:28):
Yeah, mate, I'll be making chickens, mate, all weekends.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Give us a heart.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
We'll pop around of mine after that. Then that sounds good?

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Can you come and pull me out of a ditch
and feed me a chicken? If if things go you're great,
good man?

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
You drivers in a nutshell chickens and timber.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
You drivers a better than riddit users.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Absolutely, Clay, How are you?

Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
Yeah? All right?

Speaker 24 (01:10:51):
Made?

Speaker 6 (01:10:51):
All right?

Speaker 25 (01:10:52):
I'll bet you got three I don't even eat two
of them, so I'm one of those.

Speaker 11 (01:10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
What kind of propert are you running? Where you can
have just three uots parked up and not used underdogs ram.

Speaker 10 (01:11:06):
You were just.

Speaker 25 (01:11:08):
Nineties one, that's youth. But I had a mass section.
It was a bloody good car, and I thought, you
know what I want to use. I was a mechanical
those to have a shop till COVID and took that away.
But and then I thought, you really by are you
but what you were saying just before I thought the
torno cover up the other day and it's fuck, I'm

(01:11:31):
using as a storage unit.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
I don't even realize.

Speaker 25 (01:11:37):
I went to go away on holidays. Well I put
my ship in the back and there's stuff there already.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
So yeah, that's because any space that you've got will
be will get filled to the brim. So if you've
got if you've got to if you've got a tray
and it's got nothing in it will get filled up.
It's like if you've got a ship, it gets filled up.
You got a garage, it gets filled up, your neteckad
gets filled up. Just any space or get filled up.

Speaker 25 (01:11:57):
And Alaska, it's got a torno, came on, I want
to put stuff on it came.

Speaker 26 (01:12:01):
I forget it far yeah yeah classic, yeah, and then
here you go claim yeah yeah, so I actually bought
the man to beat your company first, and I want
the ram.

Speaker 25 (01:12:12):
Now I'm thinking I don't even need to be a
double can when they're small in the bank, my cancer
up and older. So I don't say I don't know why.
I don't tell it by the station wagon. It's just
I think it's our culture to own you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Yeah, yeah, and if you love it, is there anything
wrong with that?

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
There reaches a time in your life when you go,
I can afford a ute and yeah, and of course
you can. You can afford to you most of the time,
depending what you you get. Yeah, you know if you
go there. But but and you go, well, I want
to use just in case I need to take something
to the dump in the next six months. Exactly what
does the Raptor do? You can hit a speed bump

(01:12:53):
at one hundred kilometers and how not even feel it?
So speed bumps are really speed bumps. And a Raptor
three point three liter twin turbo versex engine and the
Raptor two for a seventy meter tank, I get three
and fifty three hundred and fifty kilometers. The Raptor is
like an off road Mustang that's from Joel.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Yeah, nicely pitched. I'm buying one. That's it. Keep those
six coming through on nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Trying to be tough with all the owners. You drive
a hybrid, Yeah I do. Yeah, I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Buy some rap pat it's all weel drive though. It
is time that it's the three.

Speaker 12 (01:13:28):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons, New storksb.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Newstalks there be it is seven to three. We're talking uts.
Get a nick.

Speaker 15 (01:13:42):
O.

Speaker 27 (01:13:42):
Gooday guys, how are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Happy Friday?

Speaker 27 (01:13:46):
Yeah and you yes, yes, that's a beautiful day too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Oh it is down to Wellington, nice good place.

Speaker 6 (01:13:52):
Yeah, no, no, I like it.

Speaker 27 (01:13:54):
So yeah, I just want to use. I h I've
never had a use until about three years ago when
we bought ourselves a caravan and so I thought we
have to toe this or something.

Speaker 11 (01:14:02):
So I bought an old.

Speaker 27 (01:14:05):
Seven year old Colorado, which was pretty good, but I
used to drink diesel like nothing. And I also had
a small carful work just to sit in the scoter
and I thought, yeah, this is not really idea. I'm
paying two lots of insurance and so I want something
that can do both, and I was interested in hybrid
or electric technology. And then about a year ago the

(01:14:27):
beyd Shark came out, which I took a drive a
test drive in and thought this is perfect. So I
sold both the Colorado and the Skater and bought the
Shark and I love it. And I've been driving this
around for the work. The home stuff pose the caravan
like it's not even.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
On the back, and they look very cool sleep and.

Speaker 27 (01:14:48):
Yeah, I think it's pretty cool too.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Yeah, they just look cool. That the design on the
bad Shark. And that's a shallow way to look at it,
I guess, but whenever I see one, I go, that
looks cool, you know, just the shape and the lights
they look great.

Speaker 27 (01:15:03):
Yeah, yeah, that was part of the appeal. Was that
just the slightly beast I don't know what you describe
it as, but it was.

Speaker 23 (01:15:09):
It was cool.

Speaker 12 (01:15:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:15:10):
But the talk, the power, I mean, this thing has
got six hundred and fifteen meters of talk, which will
smoke a raptord the lights any day.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
And how's it tugging? What you needed to tug net?

Speaker 27 (01:15:23):
I've got a two ton caravan and even though this
isn't rated for three and a half, which is what
the Fords and the Colorados were are. It's pools like
it's not even on the back. It's just because it's heavy,
heavy itself, and the talk is more than the Colorado
head and so yeah, I mean, I know it's there,

(01:15:45):
but it's it certainly doesn't impede its performance anyway.

Speaker 18 (01:15:47):
I can.

Speaker 27 (01:15:48):
I'm not allowed to, but I can sneak around at
one hundred and ten k's if I have too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
Good on your neck? Yeah, and the voiceover artists for
the for the TV as it's pretty hot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Voice not bad, not bad, Yeah, yeah, pretty sixy actually
five go your way there at a DYD shirt. You've
done that before, mate, Well those sticks agrees with you
as well. Nick I go have a look on YouTube
byd Shark six smashes a Ford Raptor in a drag race.
Absolutely beast of a vehicle.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
American truck is the way to go, sais Is Texas. Yes,
you've got to park at the far side of the
car park so you don't get dinged by idiots. Yes,
there's some parking biddles you can't get into. But there's
nothing better than the sound of a Chevy v eight
and sitting higher than everyone else on the road. You
can tow anything, you can pull anything out of tight spots.
You're driving over curbs, straight through roundabouts. The cab is

(01:16:40):
huge and spacious, and the fuel bill is no more,
if not less than a ranger because the cylinder is
shut down if not needed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yeh, very good.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Despite a few people online having a go at ute drivers,
and we still very much are a nation of ute lovers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Yeah, and love a utility. Power to the utes. Right
coming up after three o'clock, mckfleetwood is getting married for
the fifth time. Can you beat that?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
And in about twenty five minutes, New Zealander of the
Week is coming up for you, New Sport and weather
is on its way. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.
Hope you're having a great Friday afternoon.

Speaker 28 (01:17:15):
As if we made.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
It here, then we met it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Talk said the afternoon, welcome back into the show, seven
past three on your Friday afternoon. Great to have you
listening to us as always, Hope you're having a good
Friday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
So Mick Fleetwood's he.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Has quietly married his longtime partner Elizabeth Jordan at the
age of seventy eight. This marks his fifth marriage. So
the couple had their ceremony somewhere in the South Pacific.
I've got to say, looking at the pictures, that looked
lovely and she is fifty six.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
That's great. That's like you in your cradle, Robin.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
You want to speak, mate, We're going to get the
advocates out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
But he's doing all right. So sety and fifty six,
what's that? Twenty two years?

Speaker 12 (01:18:10):
Not bad, not bad.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
He's in good shape. Mcfleetwood.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
He looks very good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
So that's marriage five.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
That is marriage number five.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
That's a huge amount of marriages. It's a lot of weddings,
it's a lot of wives, it's a lot of admin yep,
a lot of har Is it a lot of love
or not enough love? Do you get married a lot
because you believe in love? Or do you are you
were romantic? Or do you get married a lot because
you're useless at love and you don't believe it and

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you mess it up?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
And that's the question, right, yeah, oh eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you've been married multiple times,
what is it? Is it that you're a hopeless romantic?

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Because after three do you go, I'm not great at this?
Or do you go I've got the experience. Now I'm
going to nail this one. So mcfletood's going to this.
This fifth is I'm great. I am practiced at this. Yeah,
I've done my ten thousand hours at this. I'm an
expert at marriage. And is anyone in New Zealand because

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that's them. I've never I've never heard of anyone in
New Zealand that's been married five times?

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
No, me, neither a couple of fours. Heard of a
couple of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
Fours as an old Yeah, great New Zealander. Lighton Smith
he's four.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Yes, someone ticks that in. I believe it is number four.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
The right Honorable Mark Mitchell. I believe he has just
got married for the fourth time.

Speaker 18 (01:19:24):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
But I can't imagine anyone in New Zealand's being married
five times. We're not like that. We're not Joan Collins Nation,
are we.

Speaker 10 (01:19:32):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Well, if you can beat that, if you've been married
more than five times, oh eight hundred and eighty, ten
eighty give us a call.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Or if you know of someone that's been married five
or more times, and why do you go back to
get married? So if you've had three failed marriages and
you've bought three people who don't like houses, what do
you go back?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
There was a guy who used to work with I'm
not going to name names here, but he was married
three times, which is a good nudge. But he always
said he was a romantic, that he just loved the
idea of love. And when the marriage broke up and
he met someone else, he didn't muck around. He got
hitched pretty quickly after the next one, so you know

(01:20:14):
whether there was something in there. He he just loved
that idea of being married so much.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Is I mean with your Mick Fleetwood, you've got the
financial backing to be married five times, right, correct? But
there's not many people that can go around splitting what
they own in half more than.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Say three times. No, so give us a call. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty sheer your story. If you've
been married multiple times, is it because that you are
a bit of a hopeless romantic that you you know
you've got it in you that this time it's going
to be the last time. And if you know someone
who has been married more than five times, give us
a call. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number? Nine two nine to two is the text

(01:20:56):
as well. We'll be back very shortly. It is ten
past three. This dog said, be very good afternoon you
thirteen past three. So we're talking about people who get
married multiple times. This is after Mick Fleetwood has just
got married again for the fifth time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
Hey, lads, after first marriage down to half of everything,
second marriage down to one quarter. Third marriage is on eight.
It's just like being down to GST percentage. It's from Perley.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Thank you, Alani. How are you?

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Oh good?

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Good to chat with you, my friends. So tell us
your story. How many times you've been married?

Speaker 6 (01:21:29):
Yes, I'm on my fish marriage, going on my sixth,
and I believe this is not the end.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
My friend, Well, you're going to keep your plan to
not make this this one work and get another one.

Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
Well, I keep it by my best. You know, marriage
is I think it's fourth week. It's a two week
sy it's not a one week. Terrific sharing and Gary
when people might think that I accuse my woman and
I don't. I don't believe in that. I don't believe

(01:22:03):
in hurting any of your.

Speaker 12 (01:22:05):
Women good I want.

Speaker 6 (01:22:07):
I don't when things doesn't go.

Speaker 11 (01:22:11):
Your way or go away.

Speaker 6 (01:22:13):
You know that the most either thing for me to
hear when they say I'm going to call the police
because I'm not an appressive person. I believe in treating everyone,
keep them to the opportunity to make things right. But
some people they just hunting for something that they wanted

(01:22:35):
to get a piece of your life, and they don't
you know, just using you another word is using you?

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
So why have your what if your marriage is generally ended? Alani?

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
When you say to me, well, uh, I think I
head enough of you. I want you out of the door.
So I don't stand and inspect them to say no.
Once they say out the door, I'm out the door.
I don't have to say sorry. I already say sorry,
and I wanted to make it right. If I make
a mistake, and some silly mistakes just in something that

(01:23:12):
for example, if I say something wrong, you know, they
just make it up. But they already make up their money.
They're gonna kick me out.

Speaker 11 (01:23:20):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:23:21):
Sometimes the problem is this Some of the women that
I married, they come with a baggage. I don't have
a package.

Speaker 18 (01:23:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
But if you're if you're marrying again now on fifth marriage,
isn't those previous marriages a little bit of a little
bit of baggage? Okay, you're but but what what what
happens with all the previous marriages are still in contact
with them? You got a new kids footing around or anything.

Speaker 7 (01:23:48):
Alan they are growing.

Speaker 6 (01:23:50):
Out some of them. Like when I say I don't
have tuan, they come with their own churn and they
wanted to residency in New Zealand, so I married them
to give them a place in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
All right, So there's a marriages of convenience.

Speaker 6 (01:24:06):
Yes, sometimes I feel sorry about them, you know, seeing
that they need to going to school. I know them
to give them life their husband run away and leave
their children.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
No, you know, so if you if you marry someone
and it gives them that kind of ability to be
in New Zealander or whatever once the divorce is over,
does that remain with those kids once once the marriage
is over, does that does that legal status remain No?

Speaker 6 (01:24:37):
If I have chi it will stay on. But if
I don't have any Churan with them team. They know
there's no bunting to it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Are you hopeful that the next marriage, the one coming up,
is going to be the right one. It's the it's
the it's the ultimate one.

Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
Yes, I've been thinking hard about this. I want to
make it. It's my last. But like what I say,
I'm still hunting for or miss right right in my life.
I need someone that then look at me and and
take me as I am not look at me and

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see what they can get out of my life.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
You don't reckon number six? Is that woman, Alani?

Speaker 6 (01:25:26):
I'm not sure. Really hard to predict the mind of
the woman.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
But you're still hard to predict. But you're still just
going to go right here and get married anyway?

Speaker 6 (01:25:37):
Yes, because because for me, I hope this is the
lucky as lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
You're an optimus to Lanian Well, beast of luck, Alanie
with this one and keep us up today. I want
to hear how this one? We want to hear how
this one? Guys?

Speaker 11 (01:25:52):
Number six guys, Yeah, lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Lovely than all the very best.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
So number six maybe the last one, Not quite sure,
but we'll say that goes. It might even be number seven.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
How I'm ready here about Glenn Wolf. Of you about
Glenn Wolf, I have not. So he was the American
Baptist minister and hotel owner, and he has the record
in the United States of America for the largest number
of monogamous marriages. Right, Cabin married thirty one times, thirty
won thirty one different times, although one of his marriages

(01:26:24):
was annulled and sevil remained complicated. So yeah, he during
a seventh marriage. Yeah, so his shortest one was nineteen days,
and yeah, he just kept marrying, and sometimes he'd remarry
someone that he'd married before. But thirty one times, so

(01:26:46):
you know, I mean he's a Baptist minister. I mean
at the church are they You're looking around going, I
don't know about our minister. He seems to be marrying
thirty one different thirty one times.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
So if you live to the age of ninety, that
is a marriage every three years. That is incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Wellf's shortest marriage lasted nineteen days. Three of his marriages
with a woman he had previously divorced. He married Charlotte
Devaney and nineteen thirty six, and after divorcing earlier that year,
remarried Katherine Archer in nineteen forty nine after divorcing the
previous year, and remarried Sharon Goodwin in nineteen sixty after
divorcing the previous year. His first, eighth, ninth, and twenty
third marriages ended with the death of his wife suspicious.

(01:27:24):
His longest marriage, to his twenty eighth wife, Christine, lasted
eleven years. That's nice. Twenty ninth wife, Bonnie, who was
herself married ten times, she was murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Oh not by Glenn Wolf.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
No, no, wow, I don't know, but he's losing a
lot of wives. Hollywood actor Robert Blake was charged in
connection with her death. He was found not guilty, but
was found libable in a wrong warth both.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
I mean, this is fascinating and a movie needs to
be made about this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
He married Linda Taylor, who was then the record holder
for the most married woman. So he married a woman
who had married twenty eight times and he married thirty
one time.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
The Guinness Will record holders coming together. Something beautiful about
that clean wolf?

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
What a dirty dog Glenn Wolf was?

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Yeah, No, one's beating that clearly. Oh e one hundred
eighty ten eighty. We want to hear from you. If
you've had multiple marriages, why what is it about?

Speaker 21 (01:28:20):
It?

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Is it that because you believe in love so much,
we can hear your story? Nineteen ninety two is the text.
It's twenty past three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on youth Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Said twenty two past three. So have you been married
multiple times? And why this is after Mick Fleetwood is
on his fifth marriage. So if you can beat that, Oh,
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
A couple of texts coming through on nine to ninety two.
But let's go to Craig kidd a Craig and he goes,
how we're going very good mate. So what do you
reckon about multiple marriages?

Speaker 21 (01:28:59):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:29:00):
I think you know, it's a bit of a shame
that people get married multile times and I think it's
a bit systemic though in New Zealand with marriage it
isn't very common anymore, you know, is the marriage rates
that are dipping below divorce rates and that's a real shame.
I've been married once before that ended up in a

(01:29:21):
shit situation. I'm now second time married and have two
kids and loving life.

Speaker 6 (01:29:25):
But I don't know.

Speaker 23 (01:29:26):
I think marriages sort have lost its its meaning these days.
I don't know about the rest of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
But definitely New Zealand, as you're said, because obviously your
first one, you know, as you said that, they didn't
go well. But the second one is that is that
one full of meaning?

Speaker 18 (01:29:40):
Is that is?

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Have you nailed it with the second marriage?

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Great?

Speaker 23 (01:29:44):
Absolutely, it's I've got two beautiful sons and we've been
married for six years now, and your life's never been better.
And I think marriage, I can't speak for anyone else
but myself, but I think marriage is to work. You've
got to work at it day by day. And the
beauty of being with someone for the rest of your

(01:30:04):
life isn't a terrible prospect. It's wonderful. You got your
best friend for life, and you've got if if you're
blessed enough to have kids by that person, with that person,
that makes.

Speaker 21 (01:30:14):
It all more merry.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
I mean, anyone with.

Speaker 23 (01:30:17):
Children knows the best time of day is coming home
to your kids and to your wife. So I think
marriage these days is like I said before, it's lost
it's real meaning of what that commitment really is. And
people say, oh, you know you can make the same
commitment about a piece of paper. Well, no, you can't,
and the marriage is different. It's a god given the

(01:30:42):
union of two people, and I think it's something to
be cherished and fostered and nurtured. It really is something
that the world needs, in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
Were you worried about getting married again after the first
marriage not working out, or you just believe in marriage
and thought that, you know, I'm always going to go
again if I can.

Speaker 25 (01:31:04):
Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 23 (01:31:05):
What I in the beginning. My first marriage ended because
of Adallas, my excess pat But yes, and initially I
was like, oh, I do idea while the getting married again,
But you know, it took took time for me to
to sort of make the decision and get married. And
I would I would gladly do it ten times over
with that without a doubt. But like I said, you

(01:31:26):
know you it's it's not something you rush into. You've
got to be desperately sure about it. You know, people
that get married three four, five, six seven, like that
guy you said before thirty one times is mad. But
I think part of the reason maybe is because people
have gone it to it with the devil. Make care attitude,

(01:31:47):
and I think that's wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
You know, you I reckon, if you make fleet you
might have gone into if you make Fleetwood, you might
have gone onto a couple of those ones drunk or
under the influence of heavy drug taking.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Yeah, highly likely.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
But the thing is, but what you said before, And
I think that this is interesting because observing people, so
a lot of people give up marriages and think that
a you know, a relationship is going to be perfect
and they just need to find the right, perfect person,
without realizing that you know, wherever you go that you are,
and that every single relationship has a lot of work

(01:32:23):
to make it work and build something. So I think
a lot of people cut on marriages and think, oh'll
just find a person, everything will be right. I find
the right person, But that right person might not exist
because you're always going to be in the relationship, so
all your problems have always come along. And also, you know,
there's probably not not very many people that can get

(01:32:43):
married and just have a completely smooth sailing, no problems
relationship that that doesn't need to be worked.

Speaker 21 (01:32:50):
On, absolutely right.

Speaker 23 (01:32:54):
I think you know there's that saying that the thing
is a perfect marriage and there isn't It's like, for example,
if you tend to a garden, the garden doesn't start
off perfect. It starts off there. You've got big ground,
you've got to tend to it. You've got a water,
and you've got to care for it.

Speaker 21 (01:33:08):
You've got to nourish it.

Speaker 23 (01:33:09):
And that's the beauty of a marriage. And you know,
there's that cliche saying of you get married to someone,
they make you want to be a better person. It's
one hundred percent true. It's better to be married to
someone to want to be a better person for that
person that you love, and thereby you become that better
person in the long run. It's better than rather being
single and living for yourself. I think marriage is a

(01:33:32):
selfless act. Absolutely. I think being single and not getting
married is selfish because you don't really care about that
commitment to be with someone until death to your part.
And the last thing I want to say is those
words till death to your part will sickness and health
through bad times and good times. Those words are heavy,

(01:33:52):
heavy words, but it's a beautiful thing. And if you
can then relay that to your children, they can have
an outlook of class and going. You know what, there
will be someone out there for me that's going to
make me happier, and I can make that up an
other person happy too. So I say, aw for marriage
one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Get on you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Craig nicely said yeah, I mean, do you agree with Craig.
There'll be a lot of people listening that won't quite
agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
This says, Hi. My brother is on marriage number four
the reason he's a narcissist and leaves his wife each
time he's demoted from her number one interest, eg. When
she has a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Wow, Oh geez, that's a that's a that's some beggage
right there.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
So if you're not the number one interest, see that,
that's not a person that should be married, because you
can't go into a marriage and just be like, I
want to be the number one interest in all this.
I want this marriage. I want it to be all
about me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Textbook narcissism, this whole family.

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
That we're having. I want it to be all about
me and not about anyone else and not about the kids.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Not a good place to start interesting techs here, you
get o, guys. I'm on my third marriage. We've been
married for five years in June. It's by far my happiest,
happiest relationship. He has the breakdown on the other two.
Married a very nice man. We were in her early
twenties and when he asked, I said, yes, it was
what you'd do. It wasn't until later the relationship that
I realized I was gay. So we divorced.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
We were married about a year and a half, married
a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
There were issues in the relationship, but which relationship is perfect.
What ultimately ended our relationship was her coming down with
a life altering illness, a far out which, while we
were struggling with a few other things, our relationship just
wasn't strong enough to survive. We were married about two years.
Am I the common denominator in these instances, Yes, but
as you can see, they were two very different situations.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Ah wow, Yeah. I was married at nineteen to the
sixer and in July we celebrate our fiftieth wedding and
a versery.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Congratulations, that's quite beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
It's fiftieth platinum.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
I think it may be.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
Yeah, congratulations, well done.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Yeah, fantastic now that yeah right, great discussion. Thank you
to everybody who called in text on.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
That's all the best of Fleetwood. Yeah, Max Fleetwood I.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Hope it's number five and also Lannie as well it
is number six.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
He's I'm not holding out hope for Larnie's number six.
He's already looking around.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Will follow up with the Lannis You're already looking around them.
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Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
The Mattia than Tyler Adams Afternoons New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
Welcome once again to the matd Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons New Zealander of the Week on News Talk z'b
a time to get together as a radio show and
award our country for its excellence. As always, three powerful
Kiwis shall be honored. So, without further punishing hyperbolic stage setting,
let's get stuck in with our first New Zealander.

Speaker 10 (01:37:57):
Of the Week, Clad long Away, get a.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
Thousands of Kiwi schoolgirls shoot hoops every day with big
hopes in their hearts, but millions do the same and
the good old US survey So a Kiwi lady making
a big on the court and the country that invented
the sport isn't easy. This week, a Wahina blew the
odds away in front of a huge crowd in attendance.

Speaker 10 (01:38:29):
And millions watching at home.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
A UCLA point guard from the waycatdor has become the
first New Zealand woman ever to win the NCAA Basketball Championship.

Speaker 10 (01:38:40):
Chalis Ledja Walker, You are a New Zealander.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Of the Week. Sometimes it takes a little bit of
time away to get some perspective on how successful and
awesome some Kiwis are. This duo has had eight years off,
then out of the blue the announced four shows and
they're sold out in minutes. Two Wellington based blokes with
guitars who twenty years ago went global with one of
the funniest TV shows ever made, and their funny little

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songs still sell out.

Speaker 10 (01:39:08):
All over the planet.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
Amazingly, they had to watch YouTube clips to remember how
to play their own tunes. Business Time, Sugar, lumps Hip Hopopotamus.

Speaker 10 (01:39:18):
The heads just.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
Keep coming ahead of their upcoming Netflix is a joke
Festival appearance. Formerly in New Zealand's fourth most popular guitar
Bassed did Giebongo, a cappella rap funk comedy folk duo
Light of the Concords.

Speaker 10 (01:39:32):
You are one of our cylinders of the week.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
In a world where so many of us have lost
control and chosen to doom scroll the best years of
our lives away, where so many in our fine nation
have become dangerously addicted to the dopening hits from cooked
up overseas news rage bait. Well in that world, the
MP for Funga Paroa delivered a very important, sobering message
this week.

Speaker 29 (01:39:59):
I've got a really simple philosophy on this is that
we must stay laser focused on the things that we
can control and largely monitor what we can't and help.

Speaker 11 (01:40:08):
Impact us in the future.

Speaker 29 (01:40:10):
And we've got to get on with it. We've got
to accept the fact the world has changed. We're a
small country in the problem the world, knowing owes us
are living. We've got to get on the things and
we've got to do the best that we can, and
that means focused on the things that we can control
and talking about the things that we can do, rather
than getting lost in all the new shy of what's
happening internationally. The world has changed and it's not going back,
and we just got to accept it and get it

(01:40:30):
on it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
That's the good stuff. Idere.

Speaker 10 (01:40:33):
Imagine what New Zealand could get done.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
How much better all our lives would be if we
cleaned up and spend a bit more time focused on
fixing things in front of us, the stuff we actually
have the ability.

Speaker 10 (01:40:43):
To do something about right now, rather than hooked on
the things we can't do.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
Good about, the horrible Mark Mitchell, you are a New
Zealander of the week.

Speaker 10 (01:40:55):
Take it away, Sir Howard Morrison, lad.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Water Clash, entlemen men range.

Speaker 12 (01:41:19):
In La Water.

Speaker 11 (01:41:21):
She came.

Speaker 24 (01:41:25):
My right, bottle shovedy Maddie and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Oh how good right?

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Twenty two to four coming up after the break, Artemis
two crew is due for re entry tomorrow New Zealand time.
So we're going to catch up with astrophysicist Richard Easter
that is coming up very shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
You listening to Matt and Tyner back in a mow.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.
Mad he than Tyler Adams afternoons news talks the'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
It is nineteen to four.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
So four astronauts on NASA's Artemists two mission are on
their way back home after a dramatic lunar flyby that
saw them travel further from Earth than any other humans.
Theyre due for re entry tomorrow, New Zealand. Time to
talk about the mission's significance. We are joined by Richard Easter,
astrophysicist and physics professor at Auckland University.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Professor, Good afternoon, Good afternoon, So how.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
Are the artemist How is the Artemis mission more advanced
than the Apollo missions?

Speaker 28 (01:42:58):
It's more advanced than the sense that it's obviously using
computers and technologies that are fifty years ahead of where
Apollo was. But on the other hand, you know, it's
using a you know, it looks very similar to the
Apollo capsule, but slightly bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Yes, So it's been fascinating to watch, Professor, over the
last ten days. What are we learning or what is
NASA learning from this particular mission and sending those four
humans into deep space?

Speaker 28 (01:43:24):
Eighty nine percent of what they're trying to do here
is to test the technology it's essentially a test flight
of the vehicles that they want to use to go
back to the Moon on a regular basis. There's been
some science done, but that's very much the icing on
top of the cake here.

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
So they went further away from Earth than any humans
have ever been before. How does that work out? Is
it just a different path than any of the Apollos took,
or different lineup of the moon?

Speaker 28 (01:43:51):
Different slightly different lineup of the moon, slightly different paths.
It's not a huge extra distance, and it's partly just
the choice of all but that they've used to swing
them around the back of the Moon they get. One
of the cool things about this vision is or those
trip is you got to see a photo of, you know,
the backs out of the whole Moon, and that's not
something that humanized have kind of been able to take

(01:44:12):
in previously.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
The stupidest thing I saw online was someone saying, this
is rubbish. What's lighting up the dark side of the moon?
So the sun new muppet?

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Oh that is gold. There's good stuff right there.

Speaker 11 (01:44:26):
So yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
Yeah, no, that's that. Yes, they thought they've got a
real gotcha got you there? So of course it's still
got a land, So you know, how dangerous is that
part of this setup? How much more to go?

Speaker 28 (01:44:42):
I mean, I think that's the that's the in some
ways the most dangerous part of all. You know, during
the take on the launch, if anything goes wrong with
the rocket, that the capsule has this little rocket on
top of it that can pull it free, whereas e
anything goes wrong during the re entry, then there's no
way out. And it is very challenging. They're going to

(01:45:03):
hit that atmosphere faster than any other spacecraft has done before,
and they've got to slow down from about forty thousand
kilometers an hour to resting in the ocean space of
you know, just just a ten or twenty minutes, and
that heats the spacecraft enormously, and so the spacecraft has
to be protected against that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
How much is that automated and how much is it
slight adjustion adjustments as they come in.

Speaker 28 (01:45:26):
Once it starts, it's they're pretty much that they are
not so much automated, but it's you know, it hits
the atmosphere like a rock, and you know, they can
steer it as they come in, but once once their
process gets underway, then they're relying on the aerodynamics.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
It's going to be incredible to watch, so you mentioned before.
You know, obviously a big part of this mission is
testing that technology. Is there a good chunk of it
that is also inspiring the public? You know, it's been
a long time since we've had humans in space and
that imagery you talked about and some of the things
that we've heard from the astronauts themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Is that a part of a mission likeness?

Speaker 28 (01:46:01):
I think it absolutely is. I mean that leans into
this very heavily. They talk about the Artemis generation, as
you know, the counterpoint to the generation of the nineteen sixties,
and I must have made I've been surprised the extent
to which, you know, both doing media about this and
just talking to people, that this has gone, you know,
people's attention and in a positive way, in a way

(01:46:21):
a lot of other things in space does not. So
I think from that point of view, I think I
think people are really excited. You know, it seems like
this genuine excitement about it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
Yeah, it's great seeing people do something constructive rather than destructive.

Speaker 12 (01:46:32):
I guess there is that there is that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
How does Atomist too, you know, in the Atomist mission
help us get us get us to Mars.

Speaker 28 (01:46:41):
So, I mean the Mars is a longer duration flight,
but it's very much learning about partly. You know, one
of the challenges is that they have to rebuild the
technology to land on the Moon and so that that's
still to be tested, and so obviously when you go
to Mars, that's going to be a challenge, to be
a bigger challenge landing on Mars than on the Moon
because Mars has a stronger gravitational field to work against.

(01:47:03):
But learning how to do that on a regular basis
is definitely a key part of going back to Mars.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
So looking at here to Artemis three, which is scheduled
for next year, all going well with the re entry,
it seems Professor that you know the the slses they
call it the capsule, and the original launch went very
well for them, so arguably they'll be looking pretty pleased
for a head of Artemiss three project.

Speaker 28 (01:47:25):
I think ASA has to be breathing a huge sigh
of release on this. I think that's given them trouble.
It seems to have been the toilet and those are
notoriously misbehaving on spacecraft.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
Yes, so is Artemis. I mean, this is a difficult
question to answer, I guess, but is it primarily science
politics or about becoming a multiplanetary species.

Speaker 28 (01:47:49):
I think it's primarily in politics. I think the multiplanetary
species thing, I would take that with a grain of soult.
The ability of people to operate in a self sustaining
way in space is a long way into the future.
If you think about all of the electronics in the spacecraft,
for instance, I mean, that's very likely to be built
on the US rather than be recrea in space. It

(01:48:10):
is politics, I mean, there's not too I mean the
original politicians were about politics as well, but it is
also you know, it is it is something that catches
people's imagination and it's it's politics and many things, but
it's it's also undeniably cool. I felt like a five
year old looking at some of the footage.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
It filled me full of hope and joy in a
way I haven't been for a long time, and it
quite surprised me how much I have to be.

Speaker 28 (01:48:37):
True, that's exactly, That's exactly what I've heard from a
lot of people that they that they had a really
positive response to it, and also that it caught them
slightly by surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Yeah, I mean just the live stream element that you know,
and I was gripped by that with a NASSA had
the live stream, but when they cast into into the
crew and then how do we interview with them or
how do we laugh?

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
I mean, it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
The fact that they were, you know, almost on the
other side of the Moon and they were having a
live stream back to Earth that anyone could watch.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
That is an incredible moment in time.

Speaker 15 (01:49:06):
It is.

Speaker 28 (01:49:07):
And you know, you compare to the footage from the
Polo mission, you know, the live footage that that was
super shaky, it was very marginal just getting that at all,
whereas this looks like you know that that they're i
mean it's literally four K in some cases, and so
they're getting this amazing video from space and a much
more relaxed true you know that the people are happy,
showing human emotions that at the moment, whether you know,

(01:49:30):
the commander identifies a creator that they're going to name
an honor is deceased wife. I mean, that's not something
that you would have picked up watching the Polo missions
in the nineteen sixties. You know that that very kind
of straight edge sort of military aviator perspectives, it's not
so much with us.

Speaker 4 (01:49:46):
That's a good point. And so how far away away
from them putting someone on the moon again.

Speaker 28 (01:49:53):
So I think the current plan is, it was that
Adamas three was going to hopefully land on the Moon,
but the latest iteration, I think is that they will
test the landers in Earth orbit to check that they
could dock and undock, that they can maneuver and so forth.
So maybe maybe a couple maybe it looks to be
like a couple of years, So it's at this point
maybe three.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
And the final question from me, professor, how should we
judge whether Artemis is successful? Obviously a successful re entry
is a big part of that, but overall, what you know,
what are your thoughts on the success of this particular mission, of.

Speaker 28 (01:50:25):
This particular mission, if you know, if they take all
the KPIs things that's in the corporate world, think, I
think it's a success. It's very much building towards you know,
it's very much proving that they can in some ways,
they've gone out of their way to make it as
simple as possible. And I think if they you know,
if they land safely tomorrow, I imagine that NASA will
be enormously happy with how this has turned out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Yeah, it's been absolutely incredible to witness. And it's not
the end of the Artemis program. But Professor, it's been
great chatting with you. Thank you so much for your
time this afternoon.

Speaker 12 (01:50:53):
It's a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
That is Professor Richard Easter. He is an astrophysicist and
physics professor at Auckland University. Fascinating stuff. And that re
entry at this stage is eight pm New Zealand time tomorrow.
What a great time to what to re entry Absolutely
right back, very shortly. It is nine minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
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and that brings us the end of the show. Thanks
so much for your calls and texts, and thanks for
listening over the last four hours of radio. We've had
a great time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
We certainly have, and we we get so many great
people calling up that each week we pick a caller
of the week. And a few days ago we were
talking about the new TIMU tax and whether that was
going to change your TIMU buying ways. When Will gave
us a call to share his Timu story, his wife
creates a theme table for Easter each year, and they
tried to order some fake moss.

Speaker 7 (01:51:56):
After she purchased the moss, the better week went by
and she thought, I don't think I've ordered enough. I'll
ordered some more one day of the ride. Amazingly, it
actually wasn't fake moss. What we've got was a bag
of dirt. The bag of dirt did contain moss?

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Do it ratio?

Speaker 7 (01:52:13):
I think about one to ninety nine. I'm looking at it.
I'm thinking right. So I've got a bag of dirt
out of China. I think we might double bag it
and I'll ring a biosecurity. He said they'd come around
and pick it up in a few days. The next
door to came in and I thought, we'll get the
fake moss, and we got another bag of dirt. So
double bagged it up again by a security never came

(01:52:33):
and picked it up. I think a few weeks went
by and I just threw it out in the bin.
We do buy a lot of stuff out of team.

Speaker 4 (01:52:38):
Will this processing fee with customs change.

Speaker 11 (01:52:41):
That for you?

Speaker 7 (01:52:41):
Because I'm in Queensland, so I mean, you know, you haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
Hear stories of people being disappointed with what they get
from Timou and how different it looks than what they
thought it would be. But a bag of dirt takes
the cake for that, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
It certainly does. Just a bag of dirt, two bags
of dirt, two begs a dirt with no moss.

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
And Tyler, would it kill you to share a text
of the week.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
I can certainly do that for your mat. So we
were having a discussion again a couple of days ago
about do it, you know, worrying about things that you
can control.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
After Mark Mitchell said that very thing on Mike Costkins program,
and this text came in which we thought summed it
up very nicely, says Gidda. Guys, as I've grown older,
I've come to live more intentionally by a set of
guiding beliefs. I've learned that negative energy is deeply draining,
while positive energy is genuinely uplifting and sustaining. I no

(01:53:30):
longer feel the need to please everyone, recognizing that disagreements
is inevitable and not a reflection of personal failure, and
where things fall outside of my control. I've learned not
to carry the weight of them. Some things simply cannot
be fixed. And that is okay, that's from Troy.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
Some people blast through meaningful stuff to nineteen ninety two,
don't they?

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
Heck you all right?

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
The Great and Powerful hitherto Pericilla is up next and
up to five. She's live with a member of the
White House press pool who was at Milania's explosive Epstein
press conference. But right now, Tyler, my good friend, why
would I be playing the song by ub forty?

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
What a beautiful version and can't help falling in love?
Because we had a great discussion about Mick Fleet words,
he can't help falling in love and he can't help
get him married for the fifth time.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
He remarried though, right, so this is on his fifth marriage,
fourth person involved?

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Correct? Yeah, Yeah, what a great discussion that was and
what a tune.

Speaker 11 (01:54:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
We wish him all the best and we'll be back
Monday RVO from twelve with more chats. But until then,
have a great weekend and give him a taste of
Kiwi word don't.

Speaker 12 (01:54:37):
You falling in.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
As a rever empty day that it's a weaker something.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
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