Full Show Podcast: 10 August 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Said, be a very very good afternoon to you. Welcome
into Monday show. Hope you had a fantastic weekend whatever
you got up to in this beautiful little country of ours.
Just me today, Matt Heath has got a week off.
He's on holiday doing something nice and bougie, no doubt,
but just me flying solo for the rest of the
week and great to have your company today and as

(00:50):
the rest of the week continues. Right, so let's get
into this. Fuel excise and accommodation levy and changes to
bank settings are all possible areas where National could consider
you or increase taxes. That's according to the Prime Minister
and National Party leader Christopher Luxen. He was also at
pains to stress that no decisions have been made yet.
So this comes after National yesterday promised there will be

(01:12):
no new taxes on working people, small businesses or pensioners
if it is re elected in November, but deliberately left
the door open to other forms of taxation. So, speaking
on Mike Hoskin this morning, Christopher Luxen was asked to
comment on Nikola Willis's promise.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
What she's saying is no new taxes for working people.
And that's really important because I don't want new Zealanders
worried about tax thresholds are coming down, income tax rates
are going up, gests going up. It's none of that stuff.
But you know, when you look at the alternative, you've
got opposition parties proposing eight new taxes and quite serious
radical reform stuff, right, I mean capital gains, wealth tax,

(01:49):
land tax, inheritance gift tax, increasing income tax rates, and
increasing corporate taxes. We're not doing any of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
But what are you doing? Because when no new taxes,
there's two examples for so two new taxes.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
So like in government, you know, you've actually got this
thing called fuel excise, you know, which goes. We've actually
not increased it since twenty twenty, but somewhere in that
term we'll have to deal with increasing fuel exercise just
because that's actually how we fund the road programs. Right,
the opposition will say that's increasing taxes. And you go
it's not a new text though, it's not a new tax.

(02:27):
The second thing could be if you think about the
Auckland City Regional Dealer, it's the bid text the accommodation levy.
We've said, look, we'll look at that in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's why I.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Only just make it nice and simple, so we'll be
going back to the exercise. Plus's bit tax coming.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well, yeah, and there might be other ways to tackle
the bit accommodation levy, which Fever talked about. You've got this,
you know, tourism visitor levy stuff. Whether you play with
that or whether you actually do it accommodation levy like
you see in other cities.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Equally, that's otherwise.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Pin.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
But the tourist levey is not a new tax.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I'm just saying to you. In the world of how
you see opposition parties will make a run and say
lux and saying, you know, no new taxes for working people.
But oh, here we go, he's increasing her putting an
accommodation leva in, or he's actually increasing fuel excise. Well,
I'm just saying to you they are well established existing mechanisms.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
But what was sure as hell.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
What we're not doing is going off bananas on a
wealth tax or a capital gains tax, which will just
absolutely absolutely wreck the economy.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Okay, so outside of the bid text, there are no
more new taxes Apart from those two things.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
That's another two I can come to that. I think, Well,
in fact, you've heard Nicola and the lead up to
the last budget she talked about our bank tax and
looking at making sure we've got our banks tax settings
right to say Australia, so there's a bank No, no, no,
I'm not saying that at all, because this is the game,
right you get into this game, which is what's coming.
All I'm saying, I'm trying to be honest with you
and say we've talked about that and the lead up

(03:54):
to the budget to say, look, you've got it. You know,
she's we've got some work underway looking at bank taxes.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Have we got that right?

Speaker 7 (04:00):
You know, that's a.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Legitimately good question to ask. But you know that's why
we're saying, you know, no new new taxes for working people.
It's pretty you know, because evidence for it. We're the
first government to lower taxes for working people in fourteen
years by adjusting those tax thresholds, right, So my real disappointment,
Mike is that, you know, if you think about labor,
I suppose he working for working people. When I said

(04:21):
this is some unionists the other day is like, honestly,
why didn't you guys come out and support us when
we lifted tax thresholds after a period of high inflation?
Like that's not ideological, Like that genuinely isn't, but it
does speak to the fact that they just are so
locked into the addiction to spending and taxes and borrowing.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
So you've heard what he had to say to Mike
Hosking this morning. What are your thoughts on these new taxes?
So as Nichola Willis and Christoph Luxen said, no new
taxes for working people, but there's already mechanisms that exist
within government. The fuel X size that he mentioned as
likely to go up in the next term at some point.
They delayed it in twenty twenty, but they want to

(04:59):
put that back cup because we need to pay for
our infrastructure and roads. The bed tax, I mean, that's
been floated around for a long time, hasn't it. Wayne
Brown particularly wants to bring it in. But is that
something that is sensible here when it comes to what
they're calling a levy, it's essentially a tax. Is that
just going to hit tourists? Of course it's not. That's
going to hit all of us, right, including working people.

(05:20):
And then you've got the likes of the congestion charge.
That wasn't mentioned in that particular interview, but that has
been something that the Minister of Transport, Chris Bishop, has
been pushing for a long time. The legislation has been
passed and now they'll start to put the detail in
before Auckland is the first cab off the rank, No
pun intended. So what do you say, oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty, is this a fair way to implement

(05:42):
levy's taxes whatever you want to call them going for
Because we know we've got a lot to pay for
in this country, we do not have the money. But
does this hold water for you when National talks about
being the party of no new taxes? Is this just
dancing on the head of the pin As Mike Coskin said,
nine two ninety two is the text. Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call as well?
And on the congestion charging, how do you feel about that.

(06:04):
I mean, that is quite specifically a tax on word
working people. Was it not that you are charging people
who are driving in peak hour to try and get
to and from work. So if that's not taxing working people,
I don't know what it is. But when you when
you compare it to Labour's policy of capital gains, is
this a better way forward? What do you say? Oh,
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

(06:25):
to call? And nine two ninety two is the text number.
It is thirteen past one more very surely the.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Be it is a quarter past one and we're talking
about taxes ahead of next year's election. National has said
they've been pretty clear on what their strategy is when
it comes to taxes. They said, no new taxes on
working people. But what they are pretty clear on upfront
on anyway, is the idea of using mechanisms that already
exist to get some more revenue. One of those is

(07:02):
the fuel ex sized tax that has been in place
or static, I should say, but since twenty twenty but
Christah Luxon said this morning they would look to put
that up sometime in the next term. The bed tax,
which is an idea that has been floated around for
some time, has also been suggested as a way for
councils and central government to get some more revenue coming in.

(07:23):
And also this idea of a tax on banks was suggested.
The one that wasn't mentioned but we know will be
coming to a city near you very soon, particularly if
you're in Auckland is the congestion charging, time of use charging.
So how do you feel about this sort of strategy
from National Do you agree that they need to be
upfront with these so called levies or mechanisms. I mean,
it's just another tax, isn't it. Or do you think

(07:45):
they need to be even more clear on how we
are going to pay down that debt. That was another
part of what they mentioned yesterday, the fiscal responsibility and
trying to get pack into surplus by twenty eight twenty nine.
So is this the best way to do that? We
are short on cash, The government does need more revenue.
At the moment, we're paying over nine billion dollars on
interest alone on the debt that we do have. So

(08:07):
how do you do you see this or do you
line up more with what labor's proposing here the capital
gains tax, for one, there's some of their potential coalition partners,
the Greens, looking at a wealth tax. Is that the
best way forward in your eyes? Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call a nine
two ninety two is the text? Plenty of texts coming
through Jackie, says Gette Tyler. Yes, I think National's tax

(08:28):
policy is fair and sensible. The opposition just have envy
taxes which will tank the economy. Think of what happened
in Venezuela when the socialist got in and taxed the rich.
Eight million left the country and they all ended up poorer.
Inflation went up two million percent, and they didn't even
have many normal medicines in the hospitals. Be careful what

(08:51):
you vote for has from Jackie. Whether we'd go the
way of Venezuela, I don't know. Potentially, if you agree
with Jackie by all means, O eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and this one, GeTe Tyler. What is the
point of working hard towards your retirement when all labor
can come up with his taxing your efforts and grabbing
the results of your precious saving. They are economic illiterates.
National is on points. I don't mind the user pays system.

(09:15):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty it is effectively user
pays levies and Texas Nationals talking about get acaren.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
Oh high.

Speaker 8 (09:24):
Yeah, So no, I don't agree with the National or
a though, to be honest, and as you know, a
lot of people you know own a tumor in that vote,
you know where they're not really looking at voting for
the two big parties. But yeah, national saying no taxes
and then bringing out all these so called levies and
taxes or whatever it is is. I would say it's

(09:45):
almost criminal. And I used to be a National voter
and I don't think I'll ever vote National again. So yeah,
it's absolutely ridiculous, you know, especially with the congestion charges
and the other ones that's been mentioned. Yeah, I'm not
sure if New Zealand first, in fact, they've got no Texas.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well well yeah, yeah. David Seymour has come out pretty
strongly on these the idea of some of these levy
slash textas it's called them Texas because that's what they are.
So David Seymour said, I quote, texting the banks might
be a popular popular idea, but nobody really believes the
customer won't end up paying either. He then went on
to say texting tourists through the bad text for staying
and motels is another popular ideal idea until the costs

(10:32):
fall on the people who own and work at motels.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's the same with the banks. I mean, look,
no one likes the banks to be at the end
of the day, if the banks will, you know, find
a way to go parts on the costs. And I
think if you look at that policy was very you know,
it's just like picking on the banks just because people
don't like Banks's, oh well we're taxing the banks, you know,
so no one's going to be against it. So I

(10:57):
think that's what happened in the budget when that came
out of you know, know it pretty much and you know,
while it's not might not be, you know, a very
bad idea. At the end of the day, I think
we'll all end up paying for do you know, in
one way or the other. So yeah, it's very disappointing.
You know, we're national and no wonder then we're now
going to be waiting for New Zealand First Act or

(11:18):
whoever it is to keep them in check. What about
the national thing?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, yeah, you carry on. I was just going to say,
what about the clarity when it comes to the ruck system.
So we've been told for a long time that the
ruck system is going to come in in the very
near future for all vehicles to try and make it
simpler and and fear it because there's a lot of
electric vehicles on the road that don't have to pay
the fuel tax and they pay very little ruck tax

(11:45):
at the moment. But is that I mean because I
look at the you know that idea that has been
legislation has been put through parliament, the same with the
congestion charges, but at this point we still don't know
when that's coming in Koreem. So that to me just
seems like we're three months away, less than three months
away from the election, just to have some clarity on
when is the ruck system expected to come in? When

(12:08):
you thinking about the congestion charging coming into Auckland, because
then that makes the idea of the few week size
text kind of a point at that at that stage,
doesn't it.

Speaker 8 (12:19):
Yeah, I mean with taxes as you know, like I mean, well,
this is what I've heard. Look, you know, I'm only forty,
so I've heard that when they bought in GSD, they
said they would, you know, phase out other taxes or
whatever it is, so just bringing in rucks to all cars,
you know, and then saying, oh, well we'll get rid
of the exercise field duty. And I mean i'd really

(12:39):
doubt it's actually going to go down a lot even
if that happened. So I think, yeah, we don't really
trust the governments when they say that, you know, and
they say, well, we're going to charge all vehicles for
the rucks and then we'll just you know, reduce the fuel. Yeah,
it's just ridiculous, you know. I mean I've gotten left
car faying the rucks. It's very annoying. You know, you

(13:00):
just got to keep you know, I note of diesel cars.
You know, vehicles have always been paying it, but it's
really annoying. I mean, that's the same thing that happened
with the electric cars. You know, in the beginning, they
gave all the subsidies, it doesn't matter which government was in,
and then took it all out and then started charging
for everything. You know, a lot of people got sucked up,
and I didn't buy an electric car to save the planet.

(13:22):
You know, I've actually got a range extender, which is
you know, kind of like a hybrid. I didn't go
to your electric because yeah, it's just you know, there's
not much incentive anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, Kareem, thank you very much for giving me a call.
So are you with Kareem I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty do you push back on the idea
that these are levees coming in? They are effectively taxes,
and when it comes to user pays, so congestion charging
you can put on the user pays you use the
road and peak hour, you're going to be taxed that
time of use charging whatever they fall on once it's introduced.

(13:55):
The same with the bed tax, it's use to pay.
If you use accommodation, you're going to be paying a
little bit more, and the same with a fuel excise tax.
If you use your car, you're going to be paying more.
So does that make sense to you? I think you're
going to be careful with the user system as it
does make sense to a degree. But when you fleece
productive people in society for things that they need to

(14:15):
do to go to work, to keep the economy ticking along.
You can go too far with that so called user
pays tax system or levy system. But what do you say, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call
a nine two ninety two is the text number? It
is twenty three past one.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
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Speaker 4 (14:35):
Stephen Joyce, former Finance Minister of Courses back with the
National Party's reputation though in announcing what they did yesterday
is they have borrowed more and they haven't got us
to surfle So do they have a reputational issue.

Speaker 9 (14:47):
No, I don't think so, because most people realize that
when the government's got up ahead esteem that it actually
takes a while to unline it. I mean, you need
to remember, the big lift in spending that occurred in
twenty to twenty three is phenomenal and winding that back
is not easy. So you've got to bend the curve down.
That's what we're talking about doing here. It's what the
government's talking about.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
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Speaker 2 (15:15):
Twenty six PAS one. So we're talking about National's promise
not to introduce any more new taxes for working people,
but as the Prime Minister told Mike Coskme this morning,
they've left the door open to some other levy type
taxes mechanisms that already exist, such as the fuel excise
tax going up some point next term if they win
the election, along with a bad tax potentially a bank

(15:38):
tax and one that wasn't discussed but we know it
is coming in the very near future. Is the congestion charging?
So is that the right way forward to try and
pay down the massive debt we have At the moment
we're paying nine billion dollars an interest alone or do
they need to do more? Or do you think it
is punishing productive members of society? When you look at
a user pay system, a one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call get a.

Speaker 10 (15:59):
Joe, good mate, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Very very good? So you like the idea of congestion
charge absolutely.

Speaker 10 (16:07):
I think if you look at others in the world
like London, Singapore, Stockholm, you know it reduces traffic by
ten to thirty percent during peak times. It will get
more people on the public transport. You know, I live
out in the Franklin region and you know, Drury and
Piratus station is going to be a big help for commuters,

(16:28):
and it's a bit of a no brainer to be
honest with you.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Do you not think it punishes productive members of society though, Joe,
I get your point that it's implemented in may places
around New Zealand. But if you're just charging people at
peak time, who are the people that are on the roads.
It's going to be the trades and the workers.

Speaker 10 (16:43):
Right, yeah, yeah, But at the moment, like I'm on
the roads during peak times, and you know, I'm leaving
home at seven thirty in the morning to get to
Auckland City for to start the job at nine thirty
ten o'clock, so you know, the amount of people that
are on the roads that probably don't need to be
on the roads at that time. You know, I'm happy

(17:05):
to contribute if it's going to make the journey.

Speaker 7 (17:07):
A lot quicker.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah. I always worry about the unintended consequences of these
sort of policies, though, Joe, and I'll have a look
and see what happened in other countries. But like trades,
for example, they need to be on the road, they
can't catch a bus because they've got all their tools.
Then they're going to be charged this and the trades
are going to inevitably pass on some of those charges
to their customers, are they not, So then everybody starts

(17:31):
feeling it, not just those people who are on the
road at the time.

Speaker 10 (17:36):
Well, I guess that's all part and parcel of it.
You're not going to please everyone, and you know, you
can see what Luxan's trying to do. You know, you
know what he's trying to do is trying to keep
everyone happy, and you're not going to be able to
do that, same as the congestion charge. But something needs
to change because we're struggling. You know that the economy
is not in a good place, and labor's not the

(17:58):
answer because all they're going to do is borrow, borrow, borrow,
and we'll be in ten years we're going to be
even more worse off.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I agree with that part, Joe. I mean, do you
think it was maybe a mistake they said no new
taxes for working people at some stage if you introduce
these levees it's going to have a direct impact on
working people and maybe that was a poor choice of words.

Speaker 10 (18:17):
Yeah, one hundred percent, definitely. I mean, at the end
of the day, we're all going to suffer from it,
so just be open and honest and transparent.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, Joe, thank you very much for your court Really, Pak,
I appreciate it, so are you With Joe. There's been
a lot of talk about the congestion charging the past,
the legislation and now they're working on the detail and
it looks like Auckland will be the first cab off
the rank to implement that. Is that a good tax
for the country? As Joe said, he thinks it will
lessen the amount of people on the roads. It's going

(18:46):
to increase revenue. Some of that's going to be ring
fencing to new infrastructure, and it's going to hit a
lot of people. Do you think that is the right
way to implement a new tax to get some revenue
congestion charging? I still stand by the fact that it's
going to hit productive people. It's only going to be
charged in peak peak time, and who are on the

(19:06):
roads during peak time? Well, it's the work is mostly,
isn't it trying to get to and from work. But
what do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call when nine two ninety
two is the text. Plenty of teachs coming through. I'll
get to some of those after the headlines with Raylane,
which is next.

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Speaker 2 (20:36):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about national
strategy ahead of the election when it comes to Texas.
So they've said no new taxes on working people pensioners,
but they have left the door open for what they
call mechanisms that already exist to generate more revenue. That
is the fuel excise tax, which has been on hold
since twenty twenty, and Chris Luxen says they'll look to

(20:58):
raise that sometime in the next term if they win
the election. The bed tax, which has long been touted.
Wayne Brown is a big supporter of the bed tax
as a way to fleece the tourist. But we know
it won't just be the tourists who get fleeced on
that particular bed tax. That will be Kiwi's as well
for domestic holidays. And one that wasn't mentioned but certainly
is going to be brought in at some stage according

(21:20):
to the Minister of Transport, Chris Bishop is the congestion charging.
So this user pays system. I mean, are these just
sneaky taxes or is this a legitimate way for the
national government to raise more money that we desperately need
to pay down our debt. What do you say, Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call A nine two ninety two is the text number.
Get a jack there, you.

Speaker 12 (21:40):
Can look the one thing has it does Jeremy Because
as soon as as soon as Laxon said talked about
this previously, the banks put up they got point zero
two percent on all the mortgages. And so we've only
had a one ocr increase. We've had two bank increases

(22:01):
and one is to take into account. So just say
the book is worth ten billion dollars and this point
zero zero two percent that's being put on, well, it's
worth twenty billion dollars for the bank, and that's what
they collecting already of us. And so we're just getting
screwed by the banks. The other thing is, I'm looking
at this congestion charges. Okay, the problem is we're just

(22:25):
screwing the same people all the time. Instead of trying
to expand the economy and we've got to open up
and get resources out. But we've got to do it
not like Australia does it. They'll sell their gas and
they'll get one hundred million dollars for the gas, the
same amount of gas as Saudi's get thirty two billion.
And we want to be in the thirty two billion trade,
not one hundred million. And so we've got to be

(22:47):
we've got to work smarter and be clever on all
this stuff because because this country's running out of money.
Numbers of this country. We've got nine hundred and thirty
thousand people on a pension, We've got six hundred and
fifty on a benefit a thousand people when we've got
one hundred and sixty five thousand people on acc We've

(23:08):
got roughly about one point seventy five million people collecting.
We've only got two point three million people working. Yeah,
so we're actually running out of people to pay the thanks.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
That's the hard part though, wasn't it, Jack. I Mean
that's politics one O One is if we start talking
about the pension, for example, and there's been more and
more conversations on what we do about super annuation because
we can see the forecasting that it's going to become
incredibly unaffordable in the next couple of decades. But for
any party that stands up and says we're going to
means test or even and National hasn't been means test,

(23:43):
you're means test.

Speaker 12 (23:44):
I know people who are with one hundred million dollars
getting a pension and that's Mari wrong. And when we're
having an argument about something, I go, well, one, we'll
get one ones we're dealing with beneficiary, you know, like
it's it's Maury Long that someone's worth can be worth
that sort of money and get a pension.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
What about raising it, Jack, I've got no doubt National
have been pretty upfront that we're last last election about
raising that slowly over time, and with that they do
the same, you degree.

Speaker 12 (24:10):
That we just we can't afford it. Like when you've
got for every one person working, okay, you've got like
zer point seven not working in this country, which is
what has any economic model, it's never going to work
and it doesn't encourage people like what people on pensions

(24:33):
and they're working till there's seventies or eighties and they're
still keeping a pension.

Speaker 7 (24:36):
Well, I think that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
A lot of people would agree with that, Jack, But
is there the appetite? So this is a problem right
as people can see the tsunami coming for us in
terms of dead and in this case super annuation. But
as soon as any party stands up and says, hey,
look it makes sense to mean stest or at least
raise the retirement age by a couple of years, then
the public turns against them.

Speaker 13 (24:59):
Look, look, what are you going to do?

Speaker 12 (25:03):
Kick it down the road, and we can't take it
too far down the road, like the end of the
road's coming pretty soon. We're struggling to pay the interest costs,
like we've been borrowing money to pay the interest costs
on the debt that we've already got. Like the country.
The country is bright. We rely on the backs of
farmers and anyone who produces money. We screw into the ground.

Speaker 14 (25:24):
You run a.

Speaker 12 (25:24):
Business like I look on the landlords and like just
an example of how tired it is out there. Okay,
I've got two million dollars worth of property. Okay, I
knee after I paid tax.

Speaker 15 (25:37):
Twenty five thousand dollars.

Speaker 12 (25:39):
Yeah, and I only know sixty thousand dollars in debt.
So when you're looking at that and it's like a
one point two five percent return on investment, you go
and then I've got to pay professional as well.

Speaker 13 (25:53):
There's nothing there.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
And that's you know, I mean, that's again, that's part
of the problem, right Jack, is that you know, in
this case, national talking about mechanisms that already exist. But
you're right, I agree with you that it seems to
be heading the most productive members of society all the time,
whether that's your fuel tax, whether that's your accommodation tax
for people who are going on holiday. Yes, the tourists
will where some of that, but most of it will
be worn by New Zealanders traveling in between you know,

(26:18):
different cities domestically. And then the idea of a congestion
charge again is hitting the most productive members of society, right,
instead of looking at the wider structural problems we have
in government that just seem to be too hard because
the voting public turns against any party that has the
balls to say we need to do something about it.

Speaker 12 (26:36):
Well, the problem is is we're completely mismanaged. You know,
We've got all these government departments that can spend money
like its water, and we've got counselors who can spend
money like it's water, you know, Like you know, Wellington,
we've just got our water bills, which has got to
I dent the economy even more at the worst possible time.
And you know, the CEO has got a had a

(26:57):
two hundred thousand nine increase from the previous CEO. There's
thirty staff just doing communications and I would have thought, well,
I would have heard that they've got thirty more plumbers
working there than thirty people doing communications, Like thirty people
doing communications that I remember TV New Zealand TV three
had one hundred for the whole country and I'm looking

(27:18):
at this one organization's got thirty doing communications, like how
many people do you need, yeah to tell you that
the water is going to be on or the water's
going to be off.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Well, it's managing the messaging, isn't it, Jack? And they know,
you know, when they boost the communications officed by thirty
people sometimes more, you know exactly why they're doing that
is because they've got some very bad news for the
people of Wellington in this case, and they've got to
try and massage that message. But you're right, I mean
putting more money into trying to get the water rates
down for the people of Wellington would probably go a

(27:46):
lot further. But again, you know, in a situation like Wellington,
the infrastructure is cooked. We've known that for a long time.
Nothing has been done for the past fifty years. Now
it's time to pay the piper, and poor buggers like
you are having to wear that.

Speaker 12 (28:01):
Yeah, but the thing is, it can be done and
it can be managed properly. But the problem as we
used to have City Care that used to do the job, okay,
and the averagely cost you three and a half thousand
dollars to fix leak. Well they gave it to Fulton
Hogan and the average costs went to twenty two and
a half thousand dollars to fix the same leak. And
it's like and they did a report on it and

(28:22):
they go, oh, Willington's praying three times more than anywhere
else in the in the country to get these things fixed.
But nothing happens. It's not like the ratepayer got any
rebates back and Fulton Hogan paid. It's still businesses normal.
You know, we pay we pay a thousand dollars a
week just for the Mary name like, if that ain't mismanagement,
I'm like, well, and it was basically gifted. Well, but

(28:44):
we'd gifting is sort of like seemed to be seen
to change its context.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Now, Yeah, Jack, thank you very much, great points, and
you're getting a lot of support on tech. So are
you with Jack? I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty?
You know, I think David Seymour when National announced the strategy,
he did come out and he said that ex Party
don't like any new taxes, whether it is a new
tax on working people or these these levees. They'll pushed
back on those sort of taxes, but they Seymour did say,

(29:10):
I quote that New Zealand needs a path to real
sustain surplus. That means continuing to find savings year after
year and building a government that is smaller, more efficient
and capable of balancing the books, not making up the
shortfall with new taxes. So is that a part of
what's gone wrong here? In National? Yesterday made or recommitted
to getting back into surplus by twenty twenty eight twenty
twenty nine, getting the debt levels of down to forty

(29:34):
percent of GDP in their next term. But when you
look at the promises they made for the first term.
There was some big promises of cutting inefficient spending, slash
and burn. You've got to reorganize big government to make
it smaller, more efficient, and a lot of people, I

(29:55):
think quite rightly are pushing back on whether that strategy
has been implemented at all. But what do you say, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty, is they're more room to
cut in government without introducing new levies to pay for
what we need. What do you say, two ninety two
is the text number? It is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
They'd be fourteen to two. Jack is getting a lot
of support on text like this one. Jack could not
have got the point across any better from Ryan check
for Prime Minister. And they keep on coming through and
through so as he writes, instead of new levies or
new taxes either by labor or national do they need
to be looking more closely at some of the big
things we know are going to be a problem in

(30:41):
future decades, like super annuation and that is the way
to crawl back some money to pay off the huge
that we have. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call getapee.

Speaker 14 (30:50):
Hell Jack and Tyler. He's just regarding it about the
previous call of few callers back regarding now they're going
to start paying rucks for the electric vehicles and even
paid for years the people of electric cars, they've got
to wait for a long time and just sketch up time.
They've caught up with them. So someone's going to pay
for the role for the roads to be fixed. I've

(31:12):
been in Holland a few times and what they did,
they'll be doing that for years. They have the same
problem here because you have canals in the water that
the roads always breaking up because you've got basically got
water on both sides way of two can hows and
both sides of the roads, so basically the roads on
like on a sponge. So they cracked the roads. There
was a movement all the time, so they've got over
there quite a lot of their roads too. So basically

(31:33):
over the you pay by the way, and it's a
simple tax. You can't argue with that. So the heavy
because we have these riptric vehicles. They're heavy than a
normal petrol vehicles are as the batteries they got in them.
So yeah, we've got to get the taxes from somewhere.
I can let the very straightforward tax the heavy your vehicles.
There's no argument that's the way that your VI you
want to drive around a big V eight car. It's

(31:54):
it's a simple tax. So that's I agree to that
tech totally.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Well, I don't know why they're not bringing it in sooner.
I imagine they're still working out some of the detail,
but I agree with you, Pete. That always made more
sense to me is have all vehicles on the ruck
system because at the moment you've got some evs that
use pets, you know, the PHVs, the plugins, but they've
still got a petrol motus. You're kind of paying two
different types of text there. Then you've got to work
out the ratio between the diesels and the fully electric.

(32:17):
Then you've got the hybrids that don't pay any ruck
as we speak. They pay the fuel tax, but they
lose they use a lot less fuel than other road users.
So the system we've got at the moment with the
introduction of evs across the board is incredibly complex. I
don't know why they just don't get on with it
and integrate that system asap.

Speaker 14 (32:38):
It is simplify. And regarding also with the congestion charge,
I don't you can't blame the poor people like you know,
they've been working. Say you're a school teacher or you're
an engineer, you work on north Shan, you're work and
you've got to go to Addersley or whatever that you've
been might have been working ever five or ten years. Well,
I reckon, it's not fear. It should not be charged.
And then both ways, you know, just another they're basically

(33:03):
treating ars like idiot and it's called greed. You don't
penalize someone's both ways going to work, maybe one way,
but not both ways. Let's be a bear, a little
bit a flexible about people that all have to go
to work. It's not their fault. They've been living and
they bought their house on north Shore and their jobs
on the other side of the Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 16 (33:21):
And the money's going to come down.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, I mean a lot of people agree with that.
People the money's got to come from somewhere, right, And
so this is the tricky position national is in when
they say no new taxes for working people, but they've
gotten mechanisms or levees that they can increase next term.
That is still a tax, and that tax is still
going to hit working people. In fact, it's going to
hit most people in one way or another. But you

(33:43):
need to find revenue to pay for the things we
need at the same time as reducing debt, which is
a tricky position for this particular government.

Speaker 14 (33:53):
There's certain jobs. It's not the course school teachers fold
a something that their jobs that starts at say seven
or eight o'clock or nine o'clock when it's that peak hour.
They have to get to that place and work. Are
they going to get all the schools to change their
are teaching our say they're going to start at school
at ten o'clock in the morning. Are they or something

(34:13):
they get away? That's a very hard one to come to,
Like say one way maybe, but not both ways. Just
have a little bit of fenness in the system instead
of just being greedy and just taking advantage of the
situation when they when they imply these taxes, beef be
and reach them about it. When you go about doing.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
It, Pete, thank you very much. Well, that's the other thing,
isn't it. Once these sort of taxes come into play,
like a congestion charge, that is it. They're there to
stay and then there's scope to pop them up every
couple of years if they see fit. But what do
you say, I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty when
it comes to the fuel excise tax, the bed tax,
the congestion charging. Is that a fair way to try
and produce some more revenue that we need in this country?

(34:53):
Or are there better ways to do it? Is they're
more clever thinking that the National Party ahead of this
election needs to be thinking about. And what do you
say on the flip side of it when it comes
to the opposition labor capital gains the Greens wealth tax?
Is that fair in your eyes? Tell me? Oh, eight
hundred eight eighty is that number to call? It is
nine to two racially.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Mad Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
News talks it is seven to two. Tiny. How you
doing very well?

Speaker 15 (35:26):
Thanks Tyler? You're going very well solo so far. That's good.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Thank you mate. I'm missing my mate, but he deserves
a week off.

Speaker 15 (35:33):
That's all right. Another one. I'll discuss the debt later
if we have time because we're running up. But I
wanted to try and explain in simple terms what the
difference is between a tax and e levee.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Please.

Speaker 7 (35:47):
A trus is a.

Speaker 15 (35:49):
Tax paid on income, well in its in its general terms,
taxes paid on income. Now, everybody in New Zealand legally
pays tax on their income. They all receive an income
of some sort, very very few people receive their income.
So that's income from wages, salaries, benefits, superannuation, dividends from shares,

(36:13):
profits from investments, blah blah blah. So that's easily taxed
and it's fair. It's fair on everyone. And there is
provision in the tax laws that people who were in
less pay less proportionate the percentage is less than it
is for someone who runs a large amount. On top
of that, then there are what is sometimes called taxes,

(36:34):
sometimes called xcise, and sometimes just a levy for a service. Now,
those people who paid the levee for the service are
the ones that use the service, whether they be clambers
or teachers. They choose where to live, and their work
is where it takes them. However, their work is, especially

(36:57):
in the tradesmen. The cost of going over the Harbard Beach,
for example, is simply part is a business expense, as
a simple as that. So the business is being tapped
on the profits it is made from the services or
trade that is being provided. You've made me so far.
In other words, you're the individual that ends up paying tax,

(37:21):
if you like, or the levy on the Harvard Bridge,
vicariously through the tradesman who has to come over the
bridge from where he lives in the north short to
provide his service on the South shore.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
That's right, and we've only got sixty seconds. But that's
where the idea of the levee falls apart, though, isn't
it tiny? Is it's meant to be targeted. It's meant
to be targeted to a specific service that then is
usually ring fenced into pain for that service. But a
lot of the so called levees, yes, they fit under
that general definition, but it goes far further than what's intended.

(37:53):
Once it's implemented, right, a lot more people pay for
it than just the users.

Speaker 15 (37:58):
Well on, there's those people who drive over the bridge
paper and the contoosion whether to drive over the bridge
or not.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Well, when it comes to the trade's on the congestion charge.
You know they've said if they get they have to
be on the road. It's because they've got these tools.
They can't use the bus or a train. Then they're
going to pass that costs on to people that use
their services.

Speaker 15 (38:14):
That's right, that's the personally shots of their service. The
troop to employ a tradesman from the North Shore and
they live in the South Shore, compare for the privilege anyway.
So but I suppose the dead goes. Remember the government
is paying off a debt that was incurred by the
previous government over six years by firehosing money to pay

(38:35):
civil service, to set on the lasses and give us
all the hard time by locking us down.

Speaker 16 (38:39):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
And nobody's denying that tiny but it doesn't change the
fact that we've got to get out of that and
whether these new levies taxes are the best way to
do that, that is the question. We're going to carry
this on. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the
number of car newss.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Next big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Youth.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Talk said me a very good afternoon to you. Welcome
back into the program. Great to have your company on
this Monday after known just me flying solo this week.
Matt Heath is taking a well earned holiday. I had
mine about three weeks ago, so it's Matt He's term.
But great to have your company today and for the
rest of the week. And we have been talking about
taxes or levees. However you want to specify that this

(39:24):
is on the back of the National Party somewhat putting
a line in the sand on some of the new
taxes they may introduce if they were to win the
election in November. So they are looking at the fuel
lex sides going back up. It's been static since twenty twenty,
but Christopher Luxen did say they would look to raise
that sometime in the next term if they do win.
An accommodation levy the old bed tax was something else

(39:47):
that they are mulling over. Changes to bank settings as well.
Are all possible areas where National could consider new or
increase taxes to get more revenue for the government to
help pay for what we need when it comes to
infrastructure and services, but also in an effort to bring
down how much debt we actually have, which is costing
just a reminder, nine billion dollars a year. So is

(40:09):
this actually the way forward?

Speaker 8 (40:10):
You buy it?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
When National says no new taxes for working people and
do you think these are levies they are going to
be targeted, it's going to be user pays or is
it just another tax, sneaky tax that they're going to
introduce next term? What do you say? Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. There's been plenty of texts coming through.
This one says Gaday. Please ask those people who complain

(40:32):
about National's tax policies how they would pay for the services, roads,
health etc. It's a fair question, that's from Dave. And
when you look at the opposition parties, they would arguably
pay through the capital gains tax that has been proposed
and also the wealth tax that the Greens have proposed.
And this one from Sasha basically New Zealand thinks you
should pay your way. Means test for the pension is

(40:55):
a no brainer, as Jack mentioned earlier, also charging dairy farmers,
the nitrate issues, destroying the Canterbury planes, right as the
district expands. These are glaring examples. Pay for using a
road seems like sense to me. So keep those teaks
coming through and give me a buzz. Tell me what
you think of one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number. Get a lou good.

Speaker 17 (41:17):
You do a very good job. I'm not in the
habit of bringing new people, but you're doing an excellent job.
And this is a great topic.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 17 (41:28):
The interesting thing is a lot of our people are
looking at taking money off people to foot the bill
of the government. Well, I've already spoken to our Prime
Minister at a field day to me at Canterbury, and

(41:51):
I said to him, most people are wanting something off you,
But I said, I'm going to give you a very
good idea of how to produce more. And well, I'm
an old time muster and the government has handed over
the high country and a lot of the valleys into

(42:15):
dock and doc have closed up a lot of country
and there's no stock on it. We should be producing
more instead of looking at the people that are hard
earners in this country. We should produce more and for
export and it would employee people. The government will get

(42:39):
tax and also be reduced the risk of serious fire
of the long dead bars and vegetation up these valleys
that have been closed.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Up by dock So is it steward shipland you're talking
about here loo or this is a dock land that
has been reconverted from stewardship into international parks?

Speaker 17 (43:04):
Yeah, correct, right, a lot of graceable country. I'll give
you an instance. I'm still riding a motorbike and I've
been up a lot of these valleys and a classic
example is thea Hareri up from Amerima. The drive away
there on a motorbike, and I'll tell you what, there's

(43:25):
a huge area there with no stock on it in
the valley floor.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I've been up there. It's a great walk there one.

Speaker 17 (43:33):
Yes, Well you'll see what you know what I mean,
there's a lot of dead grass here that should have
stock on it, and we'd be producing stuff instead of
instead of asking people to pay more tax, we should
be producing more on that's my theory.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Well, yeah, and what did the prime ministers say to that.

Speaker 17 (43:51):
Lou Well, he said we were looking at all avenues
and he didn't really commit himself in any shape or form,
But I thought, well, I'll mention it to him. And
if you don't sow the seeds, sometimes nothing happens.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
That's right, that's right, I mean, no doubt doubt about it.
We've got to produce more. Whether that's an appropriate avenue there.
I can see a couple of fishocks in the in
the idea, Lou, do you want to hear them?

Speaker 13 (44:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Well, well, the the trampers, I don't know if they
would like it in that particular valley, having too many
cows grazing in that area. Because it is a national park,
there's a lot of dock huts up there. Look, some
might be okay with it, but you know, whether they
start venturing into into some of the native push, that
could be a potential issue there. But there is no
doubt about it. There's some high country land that Doc

(44:38):
is basically doing nothing with that I'm sure is as
great pasture land. I mean, how would it work, Lou?
Would the government give that to farmers who could prove
that they can make that land productive.

Speaker 17 (44:49):
I'd say that's exactly what I said to our Prime minister.
Whoever's right beside that unused country. Let them have it
as long as they're going to produce off because look
at look at their beef and their arrange. Cheap meat

(45:10):
an all time high, and there's no stock on there,
and the taxpayers paying dock to run around with vehicles,
and for all the people that are wandering around on there,
there's no reason why they can't walk round there at
the same time, but they're not really contributing very much

(45:32):
to this country, whereas we should be producing and export
export it because the whole world is looking for food.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
They are yep. And thank God for our export market
and for our farmers at the moment, lou because they
are carrying a lot of the burden and making you know,
and keeping our economy going, and without them would be
in a lot more trouble than we currently are as
it is. So thank you very much for your call.
What do you reckon about, lose idea? I mean that
is that the sort of thinking that's going to get
us out of this mess? Maybe eight hundred and eighteen

(46:04):
eighty is the number of coll plenty of teats coming
through about the super and and I suppose it does
come into this conversation when we're talking about new levies
or new taxes or new ways to earn revenue to
one pay for the things that we need but also
help pay down our debt. Then you've got to look
at the other side of the equation, don't you What
are we actually spending on that we can cut or

(46:25):
rejig or redesign that it's not going to cost us
as much as it currently is. And super annuation is
a conversation that keeps popping up again and again and again,
whether that is means testing for those out there who
are on super annuation that don't arguably need it, raising
the retirement age, or having a look at that super
annuation system as a whole, because as we know, the

(46:46):
tsunami is coming in the next couple of decades, it's
getting more and more expensive. There are fewer people who
are working when more people are going on to the pension,
so something needs to be done. But it is the
old hot potato that keeps getting kicked around. So when
we look at trying to reduce debt, is that an honest,
serious conversation that we can actually start to have without

(47:07):
it affecting political party when they dare to mention anything
about super annuation. Are we at a point now that
we can have an honest, genuine conversation that maybe maybe
there is a lot we can do and how much
has been spent in that particular area to help us
all get back to paying down this massive debt we've got.
What do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

(47:27):
and this one on the subia annuation. We have an
aging population, higher super annuation costs, higher healthcare costs, lower
share of productions. Are production? Sorry, productive population? We need
higher taxes, ask the treasury. National can keep dreaming and
running up debts are like in their first term or
face the reality that's from Kushlard. So do you agree

(47:48):
with that? Nineteen nine two is the text number. It
is quarter past two. Back in a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk, said.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Be news Talks, there'd be eighteen past to Matt. Very
good afternoon to you.

Speaker 18 (48:06):
Good afternoon to you house. Things up in the in
the high North there.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
It is beautiful day in Auckland today, nice and balmy,
not too cold, no frost this morning.

Speaker 18 (48:13):
Matt, nice nice, Well, I just sort of throwing my
five cents rather than looking at the taxing. It's kind
of the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. I
think we need to look at things from the other
perspective of when project when contracts are actually awarded. Like
for example, I knew a contractor who we had a
good conversation about this where he priced up to do

(48:35):
quite an expensive project with a local body down here
in Warnington, and and he thought, no, this is too much.
We can do it better. I'll reduce my price significantly.
You took a fair bit out of it. You reckon
you could, you know, give it to the and be
more competitive. And it's pricing. And the guy in the

(48:57):
council said, oh no, no, it's all right, don't worry now,
we're gonna give you the job. Did not keep your
price as it is?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, but it's not.

Speaker 18 (49:05):
It's not the only time this has happened. You know,
projects have gone through and gone hey, it's the end
of the financial year. If we don't burn all of
our money, we need to. And it's an accountancy principle
that I remember talking to my lecturers about UNI that says,
if you don't burn it, your money at the end
of the financial year you've got to you're not going

(49:26):
to get that money allocated again. Now I went back
to the leatuers and said, look, let's see a one
hundred million dollar budget or whatever it is. The first year,
spend ninety eight, you put two million a side, second
year you spend ninety seven, put three million a side.
And then the third year you want to do this
other project which is going to cost you to our
hundred and four. Instead of trying to get more money

(49:46):
out of it, you just go you call in before
out of the five million that's in the bank, and
you do it on a five year cycle. And then
if you keep them within that budget, you're not having
to suddenly increase at the rate of at the rate
of inflation, everything and the like. You can actually make
things a lot more sensible by using the money that

(50:07):
you've actually now at it and be more sensible with
your budget like you would be at home. If you've
got a bit of money saved, you put it aside.
You don't just burn it. You still have the same
amount of money allocated to you year by year, but
then you after five years you reevaluate. But you're not
stupid about it, and This seems to be the big
problem that there is underlying opinion that if you don't

(50:27):
burn your money, doesn't matter what it costs, you're not
going to get it again. Now, we really need to
look at how we do things and councils. I've seen
it before again and again and again, people running departments
who are overpaid, underqualified for what they're doing and have
have just gone, yeah, let's just do that. I know

(50:49):
mainsonance companies that have been trying to talk to some
of the people with it, who run facilities, for example,
within councils, and it's like they're saying, hey, this is
what you need to do to the people who are
in charge, and they look at them like there's stundeers
in the headlights. They've got no idea what's going on.
I mean, I'm sorry to say it, to be quite blunt.
A bunch of them are oxygen thieves and there's two

(51:13):
brain cells folks for each other. It be a miracle,
is it's own right? But this is the point, and
we all talk about it, we all have seen it.
We're all saying it, like Chiaki, why all those people
that left the councils just got out of their desks,
we down to the Tony and took over their old
jobs again. And from what I understand from people who

(51:35):
have spoken to me, I think about twelve physicians had
to be readvertised. But in which case they're basically going
to be the same people going to those jobs again
now and the only thing that they really had going
for them it's really changed. They've got a new CEO
that's costing a truckload of money. I mean, the solution
seemed too simple, but we'll have to have these organizations

(51:56):
that are put together with no competition under they're almost
like a socialist environment within themselves that seem to have
to spend all this money to tell us that we
can only get water from them, when we can only
get water from them. So why do we do this
every single time we've given it a new name, rebranded vehicles,

(52:16):
rebranded station, re rebranded everything, when nothing in its own
right and this general operation is going to change apart
from a new CEO.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Oh, you're bang on, man. And that is the problem
not just with Wellington Council. That's quite a glaring example,
but that's a problem that many councils have faced, right,
is that that scrutiny at the staffing level is just
not there. That you've got scrutiny. Yeah, scrutiny for the
elected members, that's quite right, But when it comes to
the staff members, and this is just conversations I've had
with elected members when they first get in and the

(52:47):
amount of run ins they have with staff members who
tell them, you know, you're just here for three years.
I've been here for thirty years. I tell you how
it's done, which for a new council who's just been
elected as a hell of a thing to hear from
staff members or executives within a council. What I will
say though, I think with the amalgamation plans, they had
to all the councils had to get in their plans
by Sunday, and then the government is going to come

(53:09):
down hard on any council says no, we don't want
to amalgamate. I think that spotlight is starting to zero
in on how councils are operating with our rates. That
feels like there is a change there to say you
can't keep operating like this and spending up large and
spending far too much on various contracts when you're not
using your own money. Whether that is going to make

(53:30):
the changes that the government's hoping it's going to, who knows.
But as you know, Matt, there's a lot to pay
for it when it comes to infrastructure like Wellington's facing.
So they've really got to get that spotlight into local
council and as you say, a central government to giving
them money to keep the water running and the electricity
on and all the rest of it, then they need
to be looking at how much they're giving those local

(53:52):
councils too.

Speaker 18 (53:53):
Well, that's true, but I think the councils also need
to stick in their own lanes and not start trying
to pass you in resolutions when I mean, you know,
with within their own right. And so what the heck
is that ging to achieve. I mean, let's take let's
take the climate crisis. New Zealand generates zero point two
eight percent of all carbon emissions. For example, New Zealand
could sink like Atlantis and end up from the bottom

(54:16):
of the ocean and it wouldn't make one iota of
difference to it. And on top of that, a lot
of people don't realize that, you know, we're paying all
this money out for you know, carbon credits and the
rest of it. When the atmosphere only has zero point
zero four percent of carbon in it, and if it
drops to zero point zero two, we're all dead because

(54:36):
we need it to live and survive and grow food
into all kinds of things like that.

Speaker 13 (54:40):
And with that.

Speaker 18 (54:44):
Of human creation of carbon emissions is thirteen percent of
directly attributed thirteen percent of that zero point zero four
which is zero point zero I was at zero point
zero zero five six percent or something like that. It's
so infensistently small, it is nothing. And I think once

(55:06):
we get ourselves out of this, out of paying all
these things that are completely useless, that are going nowhere,
and nobody can account for the money, and everybody says
it wasn't me, it was the one armed man or
the second government on the grassy knoll. It's just I
think we're going to be getting somewhere. But we've got
people who are so hell bent on justifying new existence

(55:27):
rather than looking at the system and going does this work.

Speaker 9 (55:31):
Yes or no?

Speaker 18 (55:32):
Yes, great, let's keep going in that direction or proving
that it still works that was suitable for our application,
rather than going, hey, let's change something just because we
can and then we end up spending all this money
on changing something like the two hundred and seventy million
dollars that they're talking about for amalgamation in Wennington, which

(55:52):
in reality is not going to make one a ot
of difference, and the costs that costs to cut the
lawns on the grass verge by one square meter at all.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, Matt nicely said, and you can hell of a
lot of support on decks. So are you with Matt?
Is that part of the problem local government and ideology
and things that they do that no money should be
spent on, no ratepayer money anyway, And so that is
part of the problem the central government has as well
because they do provide funding too local government. There's some

(56:21):
issues to sort out, a lot of issues to sort
out when it comes from to infrastructure. So it does
there need to be more spotlight on the contracts awarded,
the jobs that are created, and the accountability from staff members. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? It is
twenty six past two. Beg fory.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
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Speaker 2 (56:56):
It is twenty nine pass two get a garth. Here
you go, mate, not too bad. What's your view?

Speaker 19 (57:03):
Man, I'm sick and tired of hearing even though regardless
of which side of the fences said on I'm tired
of hearing people blame National for the stateroom bunny label
state and if anybody anybody can't see that, that's means.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah, you're just getting out there a little bit garthy
on the tools at the moment, are you? No?

Speaker 19 (57:31):
No, no, no, I met you, Haunte.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Very nice bluebird day.

Speaker 19 (57:35):
I'll stand stand still. Now I've got a bunch of
school kids.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Oh how good?

Speaker 13 (57:41):
Who's got the dog?

Speaker 20 (57:42):
You?

Speaker 19 (57:43):
We meny of you's got?

Speaker 21 (57:45):
Me?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
And met both have a dog's got dogs?

Speaker 19 (57:48):
Now you've seen your dog do a little jobby in
the corner and sat back with that look upon its face,
And god damn, I'm guilty.

Speaker 13 (57:58):
That's there.

Speaker 19 (57:58):
I see Chris Hopkins. That's the look. That's the look
I see on his face. Yeah he's done the job.
But yeah, no, I'm sick. I'm sick of the blame.
Did say it was going to take two years to
fix this ship?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah, and no doubt about it. I mean the amount
of money and that fire hose of money that was
spread around the economy and and how much has been
unaccounted for, no doubt about it. Massive part of why
we're in this situation now. But does that take away
from the fact that you still want a smart strategy
forward from national Maybe this is it. You know, when
we talk about these new levies and taxes, maybe that

(58:33):
is the smartest fairest way slowly, but surely it's not
a massive new new tax on working people. Maybe that
is the best way for But do you think there
are some new strategies they could be looking to implement
to get us there a bit faster?

Speaker 19 (58:47):
Gath No, No, I think it's one. It's a way
of sharing it out fairly. Yeah, definitely, And and that's
definitely the way I'm doing it, rather than taking from
the top and giving back to the poor like Robin
Hood did. Yeah, it's all right, Yeah, it's all right.
What are you going to do this?

Speaker 22 (59:07):
This?

Speaker 13 (59:08):
What are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Well? That is part of a garth you know the alternative.
We all know what the alternative is. And I've raised
that that labor wants the capital gains and a few
other taxes, and the Marines if they work with the Greens,
then a wealth tax tax could potentially come in as well.
So you're right, that is the alternative. But I suppose
my point going back is, you know, do you want
the old loton who got us into this situation in
the first place, or do you want a government that's

(59:31):
that's not going to be afraid to to have some
different strategies and maybe look at cutting a little bit
more on on, you know, out of their budget as
it exists, rather than introducing new ways to charge us.
Having a closer look and saying what do we actually
spend the money on? Is there some stuff there that's
that we don't need to spend that much money on.

Speaker 19 (59:49):
You can guarantee you I don't want the old mates,
definitely don't want the old ones.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
So yeah, yeah, no, fair enough, mate. Enjoy the snow,
good day up there today.

Speaker 19 (59:59):
No craplucky running into a ski pole here and there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, that's the skin life for It's a great mountain
mountin hut on a good day can be challenging and
those sort of conditions got on you gar, Thank you
very much. Right, headlines are coming up. It is twenty
eight to three oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number. Call beg fory.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Thank you very much, ray Lean, and we are talking
about national strategy. Are heads of next term if they
win the election in terms of new taxes, so they
said no new radical taxes for working people, pensioners and others.
But what they have said is these mechanisms that are
already used that they will look to implement next term
if they get back in. One of those was the

(01:02:09):
fuel lex sized tax, which has been static since twenty twenty,
so they'll look to raise that sometime in the next term.
The other idea that's been floated around for some time
was the bed tax. Then you've got the congestion charging,
which is due to come into Auckland at least sometime
in the near future. So the question started off as

(01:02:29):
is this the best strategy going forward in terms of
paying down some of the massive debt that we have
and at the same time getting money that we need
for the likes of infrastructure. And when you compare it
to the opposition's idea capital gains tax potentially wealth taxed
from the Greens, is that what we need to happen
or are there smarter ways that we need to look
at this to get back on track, reduce government spending

(01:02:53):
and hopefully no new taxes for hard working people. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
GeTe Berri Hey ty as go man, Very good mate,
Keen on your view on this, My view.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Is that why don't they start talking about growing the
economy instead of texting the shit out of us? Have
even they got any ideas, none of the National lamor
the whole bloody lot you know that grow the economy
they'll keep more revenue straight away?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Yeah, Look, I mean to be fair on National has
talked a big game about growing the economy and that
is what they've said the strategy is going going forward.
Whether you know, you could argue that they haven't met
that strategy this term, whether they will next term. But
what what in your eyes would be the way to
do that? Is that getting out of the way in
some businesses so that they can you know, start kicking
butt themselves and potentially even you know, reducing some of

(01:03:47):
the tax that that small businesses pay to try and
increase productivity. I mean, what what is the best way
to do that? You reckon?

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
Well, that's their job. Hey, I do my job and
I'll stand for parliament because I don't know the answers,
but they do, so they should have the answers, shouldn't they.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
I mean, I'm a right wing person myself, but I'm
telling you what, this lot of really is starting to
piss me out of jabber jaws. And you just can't
keep texting people no, no, you can't, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
You can't keep introducing more taxes, particularly and I'm not
going to call it a crisis, but the cost of
living that many people are facing. So if that is
the real situation, and as we know, we're paying more
for fuel anyway because of what's happening in the Middle East,
and then you introduce more taxes on fuel, mel more
taxes on congestion peak our congestion when people are trying
to get to work to earn some money to pay
some tax. I'm with you, mate, you can't you can't

(01:04:40):
keep doing that to people. But is this but there
must be some room to cut some of the fath
within in government spending us. I think that's what I
keep going back to. And I know it sounds like
it's controversial, but super annuation keeps popping up again and
again again. Surely that's one area that we can look
to rejeg because as it stands now, the amount we're
pumping into super annuation is tens of billions of dollars.

(01:05:02):
So even a small cut to that could be you know,
incredibly valuable for maybe re sen productivity elsewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Well, yes, and no, I mean superannuation is something that
you have made off for for fifty years, so I
paid into a system that was there for me. I
believe superannuation should be you should get a percentage of
what you've put in over your lifetime. You know, if
you don't don't put a lot of effort, and you

(01:05:31):
shouldn't get well rewarded at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
You know. Yeah, interesting, I still work.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
I'm on the super I still work, so I get
texts out of don't you do? You do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Yeah? So you don't. You don't like the idea of
means means testing Berry?

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
No, No, No, I think you you should get. If
you work all your life, you should get and then
face it. What is the key? We say, but that
that will eventually sort of help fault get rid of it,
won't it? Long term?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
I think so?

Speaker 8 (01:06:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Yeah, I mean that's that's a big part of it. Look,
if I'm being honest, Berry, by the time I get
to sixty five, if it stays at sixty five, will
be in twenty five years on four. Now do I
expect the super annuation to be there? No, I don't.
It may be there may be a small amount there,
or a radically different system. But I'm okay with that because,
as you say, the key we save A system has
been set up so that hopefully I can sort out

(01:06:22):
my own retirement and I've got twenty five years to
do it. But you're right, that's the hard part, right,
changing the goalposts, you know, for people who are very close,
that's always the tricky element and the.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
Biggest thing with kiwisaver and all those things the government
should stay out of it. Kiwi Saver was set up
as a retirement scheme. You should not be able to
draw the money out buy a house, turn around a
year later and sell the house and not put the
money back in. How does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Yeah, I agree, I mean that's what they always said.
That's what they said from day one. As you set
it up, you have a few bonuses in there to
make people do the right thing, and then you leave it.
You don't ever muck around with it, because then that
starts to defeat the purpose. When you change, you know,
various specs of it and start to tinker away, then
it lessens the original idea of being utilized, that people

(01:07:15):
can sort their own retirement out and not have to
worry about the state sorting it out.

Speaker 7 (01:07:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
There's one thing the government and your money that are
incapable of handling it over all time. That's you know,
you go back over anything. They cannot handle money.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
It's easy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
Because it's too easy, they keep giving it, you know
what I mean. It work for your money, so you
look after it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah, exactly, Barry, thank you very much for your thoughts.
Really appreciate it. And you get in a lot of
support on text as well. There's been a lot of
very clever people called over the last ninety minutes. One
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
We were going to change text, but we've got full
boards at the moment. The text are still coming through.
So what do you say? What is the best way forward?
You like what National was saying. They put in a

(01:08:00):
little line in the sand. No new taxes, they say,
but there's some mechanisms levies that they will look to
implement to try and help pay down debt and pay
for things we need. Is that the right way forward?
What do you say? It is eighteen minutes to three
back in a few moments.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk, said.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Be yea Chris, okay mate?

Speaker 16 (01:08:28):
Yeah, first one, did you wear your eye patch and
your Canterbury jersey to work today?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Not quite, mate, not quite. It's nice to get the
ran Fury shield back, but yeah, yeah, but you learn
you're gonna be a little bit careful now as a
diehard Canterbury supporter. You know what went down with Razor
and all the rest. He was a good, good Canterbury boy,
so you know, talking up Canterbury too much. And also
what we saw with the Super Rugby as well, that

(01:08:57):
was a tough watch watching them get get annihilated. So yeah,
we'll take the wind, but I don't want to get
ahead of our house at this point, Chris.

Speaker 7 (01:09:05):
Look, look, I.

Speaker 16 (01:09:07):
Just loved it because even though we take it off
our Otago brothers, the rifle home of it's in christ Church. Sorry,
Auckland way, the real reason for the call. This may
go down like a bucket or not. Maybe people might
think it's a good idea. My idea is that we

(01:09:32):
increase the GST to seventeen point five percent. That would
increase the DST take by four point nine to two
billion per year, and that's across the board of the economy,
so you know, it won't be too noticeable compared to

(01:09:54):
levies on individuals crossing the hub of Bridge and Auckland,
et cetera, et cetera. It'll be spread throughout the whole
economy and that would cover over half of the interest
bill for the government debt, so it would do minimal
inflationary measures on prices, but it would be a lot

(01:10:18):
of a lot more smoother for the whole economy. And
we need to ring fence that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:10:27):
Why this government has not looked at that. I think
that would be a fairer way of throwing things that
people instead of ruts, charges and this and that, and
if you have to go from here to there, I
think we should just bear a little brunt of it
to help us ca back this debt that Crucifkins and

(01:10:50):
his team pulled on us three years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
I've heard this spoken about at length and it often
comes up GST. It seems the simplest mode. If you
raise that, then you're going to get some more revenue.
And as you say, you've done the calculations. But the
first shot here, or the other side of it, Chris,
is the reducing of consumer demand. And when we've got
the economy the way it is, we need people spending money.
So that's always a balancing act. Right when you put

(01:11:14):
up something like GST from fifteen to seventeen point five
percent for most people, you think an extra two point
five percent on most of the goods and services you use,
not a hell of a lot could be worn, but
it will reduce consumer behavior. And that's the tricky part
is you need people out there spending money going to hospital,
buying new goods. That's good for business, it's good for

(01:11:35):
the economy and any lever that is pulled to try
and dampen that could make things a lot worse for us.

Speaker 16 (01:11:44):
Yes, however, when you do it people, as our make
sure is when something happens to us, we don't like it,
but then we move on and we get over it
and we deal with life because you have to. Yeah,
so you know, yes, it'll be a bit of a shock,

(01:12:05):
but then there's a boohoo and ovon.

Speaker 8 (01:12:09):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:12:09):
So I'd like for that amount of money. I think
that is the best way to go because it'll be
warned by every individual. For a short term, yes, the
little fuit prices might go up here and there, but
then all of a sudden, the government is performing better.
And that's what we should do, is think about what's

(01:12:31):
good for the country. When we both as opposed to
what's good for meat not a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Bad idea, Chris, and look, as we remember John Key
did that when he was Prime minister in twenty ten.
He raised it from twelve point five to fifteen percent
but at the same time, and maybe this was the
clever part that the consumption tax hike was paired with
reductions and personal income tax rates, so the top rate
fell to thirty three percent. So it was a carrot

(01:12:56):
with one hand and a stick with the other to
get that across the line. But whether that would dampen
consumer demands and the situation we are now in with
the economy. We need people spending, we need that economy humming,
whether that's a hard seal where we're at right now.
But what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number. We'll take a quick break.
When we come back, we have a chat with Harry

(01:13:18):
and he reckons a lot of it is made of
GDP debt, so he's got a potential solution here. We'll
hear all about it.

Speaker 22 (01:13:26):
Next.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
It is ten to three The.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along
the way, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news talks'd.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Be It is seven to two three Harry, afternoon to you.

Speaker 7 (01:13:41):
His Tyler.

Speaker 23 (01:13:43):
The question is do we really have a debt crisis?
The current government keeps on going about the amount of
debt that the labor government put us into during code.
You know, most countries throughout the world did pretty much
what the labor government did. But that's not that relevant.
If you look at our debt compared to our GDP.

(01:14:06):
The problem at the moment is not the debt, which
sits around thirty five percent of GDP last time I checked.
But if you compare that to the United States, which
is well over one hundred percent of GDP and most
other countries. The only people that are doing better than
us really are some of the mortar countries. A presumer,
you're sitting in front of a computer at the moment,

(01:14:28):
but if you do an as search on the percentage
of GDP compared to debt, so our problem is actually
can we afford to pay it off? And the problem
is because we're not in surpas, we're having difficulty paying
the debt off. And that's pretty much like a mortgage
at home. Somebody mortgage is their house. Fifty percent of

(01:14:50):
it phanes is owned by the bank, thy percent of
it owned by the end if lucky, you know, and
the problem is that the income and their paypackets isn't
as high as it needs to be to pay off
the mortgage and that's effectively where the country sits at
the moment. So it's not the amount of debt that
we've got that they keep on running on about all

(01:15:12):
of these politicians. It's actually our ability is paid off.
So getting back to surplus is really the key. And
the question, of course is right at the moment we're
borrowing money to pay the interest on some of the debt.
So you know, I agree with the National Party and
Act in New Zealand person that we need to get

(01:15:32):
back to service. But do we need to panic about it?

Speaker 7 (01:15:36):
Is it that big of a.

Speaker 23 (01:15:38):
Crisis that they are making it out to be the
I think that's more about politics than real economic analysis.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
We've got about ninety seconds, Harry, But do you you know,
and I can understand your point that there is some
buffer there that if there was something significant that happens
to this country, we could in theory borrow a little
bit more and would still be better than other countries.
But the fact that New Zealand is more vulnerable than
a lot of other countries to external shop to natural

(01:16:09):
disasters and there is not money in the coff our
coffers at the moment, does that not worry you a
little bit that, as you say, we've got to get
back to suplus, we've got to start getting the books
back in order. But we are more vulnerable to those
big shocks. We've had a few, and we need to
be in a place where we can handle a few
more win and if they come well.

Speaker 23 (01:16:27):
I think we can anyone if you compare us to
other countries. But what concerns me most is the government
spending our money. There's two things I've said. There's no
new Texas. That doesn't mean to say the existing Texas
won't for the increase.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:16:42):
Secondarily, we've paying too much for stuff. You know, there's
a stairway on council.

Speaker 15 (01:16:51):
Land down there.

Speaker 7 (01:16:52):
I am that a friend of.

Speaker 23 (01:16:54):
Mine who's the carpenter, said he could repair for twenty
thousand dollars. The council had a quote for two hundred
and thirty five thousand dollars to appear that same stairway.
I just think that we've got too many bureaucrats who
don't actually go out seeking value for money. It concerns
me about our infrastructure. I think all infrastructure matters should

(01:17:16):
be cross parliament decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Spot On, Harry thank you very much. We am sorry
to cut you off, but we've got the news hot
on our tail. Thank you to everyone who gave me
a call and text through on that. Got another topic
on the table after three o'clock, but I will pick
up after the news. Just what Harry mentioned there when
it comes to infrastructure, news is next.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Said, be a very good afternoon to you. Welcome back
into the program. It is six pars three and great
to have your company this afternoon, and thank you to
everyone who gave me a call or text through over
the last couple of hours. In regards to text, I'm
sure there'll be plenty more on that as we get
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parties are going to put on the table in terms
of any changes to the tax system. But really enjoyed that,
but we're going to change tech for the next fifty
minutes or so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Animal rescue groups are struggling to cope with a number
of unwanted puppies and kittens coming through their doors. Rescuers
say they are operating at or beyond capacity, with more
pet owners asking for help because of the rising cost
of caring for animals or changes in circumstances. So the
problem isn't just as seasonal one. Rescue organizers say the

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pressure is building year round with increased demand for rehoming
and not enough foster homes, volunteers, or money to take
every animal that needs help. Some organizations are entirely reliant
on donations and volunteers, while one Bay of Plenty Rescue
says it spends thousands of dollars each month on vet bills.
So a big part of the focus is on responsible

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pet ownership and desexing to prevent unwanted litters in the
first place. Rescuers are urging owners who are struggling to
care for their animals to ask for help early before
the situation becomes desperate. But just on the idea of
becoming a fosterer, that's what I want to focus on.
So there is a growing demand for more money for
these rescue centers. But the one thing they did highlight

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is they do not have enough foster homes for the
animals that they are seeing coming through their doors. So
have you ever tried fostering. When it comes to rescue animals,
there is clearly a massive need in the Bay of
Plenty and around the country. And would you look at
the idea of fostering one of these pets or do
you worry that when you do something like fostering, you

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end up becoming too attached to the particular pet you're
looking after and then you inevitably fail to give it back,
the foster fail, as it's called. I will say that
at me and my partner mayve. We fostered one dog,
our first dog, Seci. She came to us in some
quite unusual circumstances, but the deal was we were going
to look after sec because she was on the euthanage list,

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So we took her on from the SBCA and said
we'll look after her for it however long you need
us to look after her. And in the end, I
think what happens to a lot of people who foster animals,
we became very attached to Sesse and decided to take
her on full time. So if you are someone that
fosters animals out there, I'll wade hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Nine two ninety two is

(01:20:29):
the text. And also when it comes to rescue animals,
is that something you're thinking more and more if you
are looking for a pet or a new pet, would
you consider looking at rescue dogs and cats? Clearly there
is a massive need, and I know there'll be a
lot of people listening out there that have a particular

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breed in mind if they're looking to have a pet
or get a new pet. That there are particular breeds
that are more suitable to some families, to some children.
But have you increasingly looked at the idea of a
rescue dog or a rescue cat. If you are in
the market for a new family pet, tell me I
wad hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

(01:21:10):
Nine two ninety two is the text as well. It
is ten past three, back very shortly the youth talks.
That'd be very good afternoon year twelve past three. If
you haven't seen heither from Hardcourts and the videos that
are going viral at the moment, do yourself a favor
and go and watch them. They are unintentionally hilarious, but
clearly she's loved her new found fame. But we are

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talking about fostering animals. This is after rescue centers and
Bay of Plenty and around New Zealand are really struggling
with getting enough foster homes for the number of pets
they are seeing coming in. So, if you've ever been
a foster home for a pet, how's it gone for you?

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Did you inevitably become a foster fail that you took
on these pets with the best of intention of looking
after them and feeding and doing all the rest of
it in the hopes that they'd find another family, and
you decided you love them too much to give them up.
And when it comes to rescue animals in particular, if
you're looking for a new pet, new dog, cat, whatever,
are you increasingly looking at a rescue pet as an

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option as that need is quite dramatic at the moment.
I eighte hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call and nineteen nine two is the text. Here's one
from Mark. Mark's clearly a very happy person in life.
Why would you squander good money on a POxy pit
if you are on a tight budget? You also said,
May and I you more on from Mark? I thank
you very much, Mark, You miserable miserable sod. What do

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you say to Mark I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
get a angela? Ah, Hi, how are you doing very good?
So you wanted to talk about fostering, did you? Or
you wanted to talk about if you've if you've got
your heart set on a particular breed.

Speaker 24 (01:22:47):
Yeah, so I've done a lot of fostering, and also
I've been a foster fail. But I just want to
say to people, you know, some families do have their
their hearts set on a certain breed, and you can
steal foster, you know, or you can still adopt one
of those. You just have to my experience, if you
ask for a certain breed, jump on the social media.

(01:23:09):
There's always three home and going on there. You just
have to be a bit patient. You know, People separate,
people move overseas, people lose their jobs. So I think
it's a bit of an excuse to say, you know,
I only want a certain breeds, so therefore I'm going
to shop instead of adopt. I guess the only thing
is you probably aren't going to end up with a
puffy in that circumstance. But I just think there's yeah,

(01:23:33):
there's more than enough gorgeous animals in the world to
bring in any more that we can't home.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
So yeah, I wonder how many people out there, Angela,
is you' quite right? They might have their hearts set
on a particular breed and and they take up the
fostering with the idea, hey, look we'll we'll look after
a dog in need or a cat and need for
a small amount of time. But then you kind of
find I mean, this is what happened to us, is
that I had my heart set on a particular type
of dog. But our first dog, SESSI. She was, you know,

(01:24:02):
on the euthanasia list, and we had an email through
the radio station I was working for, and I said
to my partner and said, maybe this is a sign
that we look after Cecy for a little bit. And
she wasn't the breed that I thought we would suit us.
She was a you know, bit of a mixture of
all sorts, but mainly Beagle, a little bit of hunter way.
But as we found, I mean, she was the most
gorgeous soul of a dog you could imagine. And after

(01:24:26):
about three months we went back to the SPCI and
say we want to be her forever family because she
is a gorgeous dog. So maybe that you know, that
is part of fostering writers, is taking in a dog
and you might just find that they get into your
heart pretty quick.

Speaker 24 (01:24:40):
I think that's true. I mean, I love the saying
everyone thinks you've got the best dog in the world,
and everyone's right. You know, you fall in love with
each other even though you might not be expecting it.
But I think it's just that I think the people
I'm talking about, and I've worked in the dog in
the stry for sixteen years, a lot of people aren't
even open to it.

Speaker 15 (01:25:00):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:25:00):
They're either we're going to buy off a breeder because
we've got our heart set on this dog. They don't
even look at rescuing. And I understand that that can
be a big jump from wanting to get a kavoodle
that small doesn't shed, to going to the Specia where
a lot of them are you know, mixed breed bull
step that your breed rescues. That's a really big you know,

(01:25:23):
it's kind of from day to night, you know, So
I try and encourage people to say, rescuing doesn't mean
you're going to end up necessarily with you know, a
very strong very powerful breed dog because a lot of
people as well are like, well, I might be open
to that, but I really need to know how big
are they going to grow? Or you know, I've only
got I want to do the right thing by this dog.

(01:25:45):
I've got this sort of backyard. But I just I
just want to say to people, if you've got your
heart set on a breed, they do come up. You
just need to get networked into those Facebook and Instagram groups.

Speaker 16 (01:25:55):
And every breed has one.

Speaker 24 (01:25:58):
In New Zealand, in Auckland, you know, they meet up
for walks all sorts and there are always you know,
people needing to rehome their animals, and so you get
the best of both words. I was ahead of all
Clinch Schnauzer for a while, which is just a group
of schnauzer owners and lovers and you know, and they
do come up. So that's all over say is I

(01:26:18):
just think a lot of people aren't even open to
the thought of rescuing and or fostering either. So yeah,
I just wanted to make that point.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Good on you. How many dogs have you got at
the moment? Angela six six? Oh, Jeeper's okay, there's a
lot of foster fails. Yeah, but fair enough, you know. Yeah.
I mean, like there's nothing like a dog's dogs love
right if you find the right dog, and there's a
lot of right dogs out there.

Speaker 24 (01:26:45):
Yeah, But can I just say on that note, though,
I've got a lot of what are called designer briefed dogs.
Like one is a Standard Schnauzer. He came to me
through or Clinch Schnauzer's. I've had too Mini Schnauzers that
have come that way. I've got a Pug Griffin cross,
I've got a Beesean Lauschin cross. You know, so very
designery dogs, you know, and I and I refuse to

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pay for one because I just believe that there's just
so many, you know, there's just so many animals out
there that, you know, so deserve a loving home, and
and I just don't want to And and also there's
some amazing breeders out there too, so I'm not also
going to be here, you know, bashing breeding. But it's

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just because we're lucky that some of these people do breed,
because otherwise we wouldn't have the variety of the dogs
that you know that we do have in New Zealand.
But I just that's just really the point I want
to make is, you know, people would look at my
dogs and never think that I'd probably rescue them, but
they've all come to me, and you know, and in
different ways. But in saying that, I don't have children either,

(01:27:51):
and I think that's a consideration when you know, I've
been lucky to be able to do that, whereas I
guess you know, more families once again have their hearts
set a little bit on certain breeds of dogs. But yeah,
just if you if you're after a certain breed, just
just find where those groups are and just be patient
because they absolutely do come up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
That's brilliant, Angela. Thank you very much, and what a
fantastic person Angela was, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
So when it comes to adopt or shop, whereas your
your view on that, and have you looked into the
likes of the SBCA or the rescue centers and thought
about becoming a foster home with the intention of looking
after an animal need and as is often the case,

(01:28:35):
you become a foster fail and take on that particular pet.
Tell me, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call? Nine two ninety two is the text number.
Also a question about older animals, because that is something
that pops up again and again that most people would
prefer a younger animal, arguably a puppy or a kitten,
and I can understand that, but the joy that adopting

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an older dog can bring as well shouldn't be underestimated.
So if that's you, tell us your story. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. It's twenty past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Twenty two pass three. There's an urgent need for more
foster homes for the number of pets that are coming
through to the rescue centers in the SBCA. So if
you've been a foster before for particular pets, how did
it go for you and did you end up adopting
the pet in question? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighties the number to call get.

Speaker 7 (01:29:32):
A pall, Hey you buddy.

Speaker 13 (01:29:35):
Basically everything you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
I can tick all of the above.

Speaker 9 (01:29:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:29:38):
I just want to give a compliment to Angela mate,
what an amazing, awesome that was so cool?

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Less Yeah, and a great message as well, you know,
because that's there would be a lot of people out
there wanting they had their heart sete on a particular
breed for whatever reason. And as she pointed out, there's
a lot of those those breeds that do need new
homes that come into the adoption system that can be
a perfect fit for a lot of those people.

Speaker 7 (01:30:02):
What she brought up about breeds is something that didn't
wasn't thinking of talking about, but it was actually a
fundamental things under standing your breed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:30:09):
Now I love Australian cattle dogs. Now I've had the
most beautiful, long, awsome animal out go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
They're called yep animals.

Speaker 15 (01:30:19):
Smart argument anyway, don't tell me about them.

Speaker 7 (01:30:24):
But there are certain people I would never put one
with because.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
The nuts high energy. Yeah yeah, I mean you better
get used to walking them for at least three if not.

Speaker 7 (01:30:35):
More and more day problem a few dogs. Sadly, there's
a lot of people out there who are breeding dogs
and don't know what they're breeding. Yep and rex breeds
can be dangerous. I've had my face whipped off by
football cross and I work with rescue dogs myself, and
when you get a young child with a dog that

(01:30:56):
don't know the breed and they don't understand it. And
some of these are very instinctive animals. They should problem.
Now getting back to animal rescue, I'm very fortunate. I
have a very dear friend in Hawk's Bay in Napier.
It runs an organization called Pound Purchase. And she goes
to the pound and finds dogs that have been put
in their assesses them, are they good for homes? Then

(01:31:19):
she gets foster homes people who look after them in
the meantime until it's on a permanent home. And it
was fantastic And the amount she does is incredible. Matches
people with the dog.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Hawks day. Is that right?

Speaker 7 (01:31:33):
Yep? Napier man best sitting in the world and best
rugby team. Yeah, goodhead. So getting midst the dogs.

Speaker 12 (01:31:42):
She does it just in local community, but she is
feeding the community.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
Now. The sad thing is there's a lot of loose
ends with dog control. You know, it is sad. I
think one thing needs to happen is before you have
a dog, you should be registered and have a license
to own a dog like a gun, like a cap
The dogs are they don't need to be registered, they
don't control. Then you know, and we need to bring

(01:32:07):
that into pol seeing government and that is something I
will lobby for hopefully. But you know, it's an amazing
thing you're talking about that I hope it gets more
interest because it needs an awareness. There's a lot of
loving dogs that need homes. There's a lot of loving
people that need a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Yeah. Oh, that would be against the idea of a
license or to prove that you're going to be a
responsible dog. But I suppose, yeah, But I suppose, Paul,
that's that's you know, more often than not, when it
comes to these rescue centers like the one that your
friends running and a lot of others, is they take
that really seriously?

Speaker 24 (01:32:39):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Is that when they've got an animal that needs a
new home, there is a few hoops you may have
to jump through, but that's just to make sure it's
going to be a good fist.

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
Yeah, for requirements. If I went and got a shotgun tomorrow,
I have to get a license and I have requirements
to be responsible. Here's the problem. A lot of people
have weapons in their heads and now if you want
to foster a dog, you don't know what you've got.
And this is an awareness people need to have you
know dog breeds to a fantastic I love Mysustralian cattle dog.
I just looked into getting a Belgian Malinoise. Number one,

(01:33:12):
I'm going to afford one. Number two, I will not
have the time for the dog can handle A blue
healer like your Belgium Melano is the next leave. Now
I'm sort of contemplating it. I want to develop and
be trained as a search and rescue it and training
a dog that's just a hobby I want to do,
but little keep some purpose. But I just discovered a

(01:33:33):
new breed of dog recently that I used to think
was a white, fluffy miniature semword, and that's a Japanese Spins.
And this dog is one of the most creative, clever,
intelligent dogs I've ever met. And I got working with
her and trained to it, and I was so surprised
myself and I judged that breed. So I would say

(01:33:53):
to anybody, if you're going to go for breed, know
you breed. If you're going to go for a rescue
dog man, just take it in and love it because
rescue dogs are called to it. And I've been in
both too. Like what Angela was saying, I've had blue
healers or were showing gettle dogs. I've also, you know,
had a couple of fitball rescues and I've concentrated on

(01:34:19):
them because there are a lot of work, especially when
they've been abused. And this is the whole thing out
that dogs are beautiful animals, man, and people underestimate them
and people see them as a threat. And that is
relevant too. There's a lot of people who are cred
of dogs. Yeah, but they mad Hey, cool subject guys,
and mat fell a love with you as given today.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Oh good on you, Paul. Thank you very much mate.
What a nice fellow Paul was. So are you with
Paul one hundred and eighty ten eighty You really got
to know your breeds. And also, I mean we've had
two rescue dogs. One was our older older dog when
we got her, Secy, but she had her issues. She
didn't deal so well with other dogs who had to
be conscious of that. And our current dog, Pepper, we

(01:34:59):
got her fairly young and about four months old, and she,
I mean the issues that she had was she she
doesn't like cars that much. Clearly there's a bit of
trall there somewhere, but overall She's a beautiful, beautiful dog
with kids and loves people. But sometimes it can be
not a roll of the dice, but sometimes if you
do adopt, I think and rescue centers are very good

(01:35:22):
at this, but you've got to be aware of some
of the hang ups some of those dogs have and
the training that could be involved. But if you've been
a foster for a particular pet, love to hear your story.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty And when it
comes to adopt or shop, where do you sit on
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Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Thank you very much, Raylean. And we're talking about being
a foster for rest pets. If that's been you I
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, there's a big need
for more foster homes for the animals that are coming
through the likes of the SBCA and various independent rescue centers.
So if you've ever done it, how has it gone
for you and on the question of adopt or shop,

(01:37:24):
where do you sit on that side of the fence?
Nine two ninety two is the text number and taking
your calls. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty couple
of techs coming through here. GeTe Tyler. We have three
rescue cats. I give huge credit to the foster parent
who did such a good job. Our little cat was
so chilled and very happy. And this one here get
o guys. My wife and I have been fostering for

(01:37:45):
christ Church Cat Rescue for twenty two years now. We
have had a foster few foster fails over that time
who are now part of our family. However, letting them
go gets easier when you meet the families adopting them
and see that they are getting a new home with
people who will care for them and love them deeply.
I would encourage anyone thinking about fostering to definitely give
it a go. That's from Bruce Pam. How are you?

Speaker 11 (01:38:08):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:38:08):
Hi, good?

Speaker 16 (01:38:09):
Thank you?

Speaker 20 (01:38:12):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 13 (01:38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:38:13):
This is very close to my heart. I've adopted cats before,
I've got or one before, and I've got one now.
And I've always been on the side of the breeders
who have these beautiful breeds, but there's always kittens who
are part breed because they astray cat tom cat has
come in and et cetera. And the kittens that are

(01:38:37):
pure breed are the ones that actually get put into
the specia or get dumped or whatever. And my first
cat that I adopted was one of those. She got dumped.
And when I got her, she was eighteen months and
was really wild. She was predominantly rag doll, but she
had a bit of something else in here, so they

(01:38:58):
didn't want her. And then because she was so wild
at the place where I got her from, you know,
she was the last to go and she was almost
going to get uthinaty I'll take her. And you know,
it did take a while, you know, to be gentle,
and a couple of months later, you know, she was
getting not friendly and loving, but and then at the
end of the day she was a beautiful, beautiful cat,

(01:39:21):
loving cat. And then she dug. It was some years ago,
but now I've got a part being girl and predominant
being which is a very beautiful cat. And she was
just dumped. Actually she was taken to SBCA, not dumped,
but as a very small kitten and I got her
very small as a kitten. But you know, I think

(01:39:42):
that's a really big problem is that the breeders often
if they're not perfect, they just dumped them often, And
what is I think the breeders need to be responsible.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
I mean, I was just thinking all the licensing for breeders,
but if it's not the if it's not quite the
perfect breed, to then sell. I mean that's the breeder's responsibility.

Speaker 20 (01:40:06):
Right, yeah, because both of them looks you know, my
one looks like a Bengal. She's you know, she's you
can tell she's been gold and she's definitely got tabby
in her. You know, some stray is good in there.
But my other cat was a beautiful black and white
rag doll. And they've got the personality of the rag
doll or the Bengal as well, and they're just gorgeous cats.

(01:40:27):
And yeah, I think there's a really big problem with
the breeders, and I think somewhere on the line, you know,
that needs to happen, you know. But also someone was
saying before that people, you know, just want particular breeds
of dogs, but this is for cats. Sometimes it's like
that too. But if they look at SCA or look
at all of the private rescues or whatever they do have,

(01:40:51):
you know, almost pure breeds, they are really worthy of rescuing.
So yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Yeah, nicely seed. Pam absolutely, and I think Pam is right.
Is there for the breeders that are producing these cats?
And if I'm not quite right, then they dump them
to the rescue center. I mean shame shame on those
particular breeders because that it just adds to the problem.
And without good people like Pam and a lot of
other people listening, then those particular animals are just put
on the euthanagelist, right because there's only so much room

(01:41:22):
in some of those rescue centers. But I eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've adopted or shopped for
that matter, or you've been a foster for a pet
and need love to hear your story, I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number back shortly with more
of your calls, It is twenty three to.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Four the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
us talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Be it is twenty to four there's a massive need
for more fosterers when it comes to pets that have
been handed into rescue centers and the likes of the SPCA.
So if that's been you love to hear your story.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call.
Get aden.

Speaker 6 (01:42:02):
Hey, mate, you're just calling to say that I'm on
my fifth rescue boxer. Fantastic since nineteen ninety one, we've
had six. One of them died a puppy we bought.

Speaker 25 (01:42:16):
But it was a sad story, but said we'd never
get another one. But here we are with number five
and first female, and she's absolutely amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
It was, Yeah, and why the box are.

Speaker 16 (01:42:29):
Dene Ah boxes suit?

Speaker 25 (01:42:33):
Their personality is amazing. They're all the same. They're either well,
they're not quite the same. They're either really really goofy
and stupid and look like they've had had a bad
trip at Woodstock and not recovered, or they go a
million miles an hour and I've had I've had the extreme.

(01:42:53):
Yeah both. Yeah, they're just humorous dogs and they're loving
and you know they're soulful. They're just a beautiful dog.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Yeah. And did you have to wait long? If you're
you know you're looking at getting another adopted pet and
you want a box and do you have to wait
long to find another boxer?

Speaker 25 (01:43:10):
Well, I never waited never. There have always just been
opportunities that have come along. The last the one we
have now was I got told she was at SPCA
in naper Here, so I went and had a look
and Sawa sitting there and my wife was on holiday
in Australia, and I messaged her and said, I will
think we'll be getting this dog because I couldn't. I

(01:43:33):
couldn't leave her there. And then there was a long
list of people that wanted her. But I think because
we'd had some experience with the bread, we were given
priority and got here and it's just worked out. Beautiful,
comes to work with us, comes camping, best, best temperament.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Yeah, well that's a yeah. I mean, that is a
lucky dog right there. And it sounds like you're a
lucky man as well, Dean. Five box of dogs that
Dean has taken on over the past twenty years. What
a good man, Julie. You want to talk about recue
dogs as well.

Speaker 26 (01:44:02):
Yes, I've got a little whipp it Cross. I've always
liked the breed Grady Ungel with its and she came
from the post. She used dog child and she was
seven years old. And I got her and their owners
knew she was here, but they didn't go and get
her and the lady and they said to me, if
you're here at one o'clock on I said a particular

(01:44:25):
day after telling me what the parctacle of that was.
But she said, you be here at one o'clock and
she us George. And I was sitting at the gate
in my car waiting at her past twelve and waited
till the gates opened and got in and thought her
And she's fund a funny little dog. Really, she's had

(01:44:46):
some issues in her, you know, with her what's your name?
The owner that she had before. And Mark Veddy was
on the radio one day and I rang him up
and I said, she she sleeps at night in a
crate and her crazs her safe place y she'll go.

(01:45:10):
She was come skidding in the thing across the line,
shoot into her crazy and what have you. And sometimes
on the other occasion she's had done something that she
shouldn't have done there and I don't tell her off.
I just say, you're a stinky little dog, and she
wagged her tailor like I've given her some great reward

(01:45:31):
or that. And then one night when I got her,
I took her straight up to my bit's got a
checked over, wearing fleas vaccinated. And then one day I
thought to myself, you're getting a bit fatal. And one night,
between six o'clock and nine o'clock at night, I had
she gave birth to six of the little puppies. Oh wow,

(01:45:53):
And a lot of my friends said, oh, you know,
why don't you keep a puppy? And they said, well,
everyone likes a puppy, but you know, they don't take
a seven year old dog, or a lot of people won't.
And I just couldn't. I couldn't love you more. When
of all the dogs I've had, I think she's the
one that stole my hat the most because she was
just you know, she's just, you know, just sort of thing.

(01:46:16):
And she's her name is Luna, and I called her
all names like star In. And there was a big,
a big white and black boy and she had them
pup and I called him Buzz after Buzz Order and
the men that landed on the moon and all those
kinds of names from Pluto and I the only one

(01:46:36):
person I got that I let her have a puppy
because I knew she'd look after it. And quite a
few other people wanted them that I said, no, you're
not having them.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Have you raised? You raised all the puppies bar one?

Speaker 22 (01:46:52):
Yep? I had?

Speaker 26 (01:46:55):
They had They were all, you know when when they
were ready to go, A lot of people wanted them,
and I said, no, only one. I only kept one
that well, I didn't keep it up to a lady
down the road because I knew she would look after it.
And the other ones we went to dog rescue over
near the dog Pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
Who who knocked lunar up? Then, Julie? Sorry, who knocks?
Who knocks lunar up? How did you get pregnant?

Speaker 26 (01:47:21):
Wouldn't have a clue what kind of puppies were they?

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Could you tell? Could you tell who the offender was?

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
No?

Speaker 26 (01:47:28):
One was white and black, two were black and white,
and the other three were brindle and white. And they,
you know, they could have been a bit of laborador
and that you were would not know. And as I
was saying, they, you know, they were the most most
corgeous little puppies. Supported it was I it was hard

(01:47:51):
to let them go, but you knew I knew I
hadn't because I was I couldn't have seven dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Well, Julie, thank you very much, and and glad that
story ended up well for those particular puppies. They are
gorgeous dogs whippets and and how are you.

Speaker 27 (01:48:05):
I'm fine, thank you. I know you spoke for he
thought there didn't know two hands. I've got my beautiful
cat who's my best friend. He was given to me
by a person who worked in the army and he
couldn't get on with it with their other pet, and

(01:48:27):
he gave him to me. And he's a beautiful, beautiful boy.
And he was he is now fifteen, and that was
when he was given to me, and he is alone
with me now and he has the guy guy. He
was a sergeant, that's why Sarge was called Sarge. And

(01:48:49):
he's such a comfort and very well behaved and spoiled stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Yeah, And would you recommend to other people to get
an older cat.

Speaker 27 (01:48:59):
Well, he was, well, he wasn't older when I got him.
He was suggested a young he's very young, but I've
had him for fourteen year as you see. So here's
an older cat now and yes, yes he's good. He
catches mine and things. It brings in things that I
don't want brought in. But cats a cats. But no,

(01:49:23):
I've had no troubles at all with him. And I
wish people would think about neutering because if they don't
have the neuters of the obvious is going to happen.

Speaker 12 (01:49:33):
It's gonna be more kittens.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Yes, yeah, exactly, and thank you very much. And it
sounds like Sage's appropriately named Daniel. Oh wow, so mate,
your foster's sixty kittens for Espcia.

Speaker 7 (01:49:46):
Oh it's my.

Speaker 22 (01:49:47):
Wife probably, I just do the clean up behind the scenes. Yeah,
basically we've been doing we've been doing foster. I just
wanted to call in and say, you know what an
awesome job the Especia do looking after the fosters. To
be honest, we've had we've been fostering kittens for probably
sixty six years and over that period, so you we

(01:50:08):
you'll get the option. They have a nice little chat
that goes on that there might be a mum and
four kittens that need fostering and you get them at
home and a crate. The BCA provide everything, the food,
all the medical care, everything's taken care of the crates,
everything's done, and at a certain time when the kittens

(01:50:30):
come off the mum, mum will then be fixed and
then the mum is let go because often they are feral,
so they've been picked up at the dump, they've been
picked up on a roundabout, they've been picked up in
a hedge something like that. The mother is let go
because because they are a little bit fairer and a
little bit tough to look after. And then once they've gone,
you really the kittens come out of themselves. They become

(01:50:53):
you know, really really beautiful little cats, and you look
after them. And then when they get to about that's six,
eight weeks, ten weeks, they go and get fixed and
then they go up for adoption. And on average, every
time we have kittens, they get adopted within about two
weeks of going back to the SVC a after that
after they've been given.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Back, so that's pretty good weeks.

Speaker 16 (01:51:18):
Yeah, it's a great system.

Speaker 22 (01:51:20):
My wife constantly updates the website to see if there's
any left and the hardest thing is really just coming
up with different names for every time you get kittens,
to be honest, But yeah, you know, it's it's a
it's a lovely.

Speaker 19 (01:51:31):
Program that they do.

Speaker 22 (01:51:33):
Friends of ours have dogs, they have puppies, and the
puppies are you have to you have to have a
different sort of house for puppies. We have our own
of how our own dog here at home, and the
puppy thing wouldn't work for us. But the kitten thing
works really well, and it's it's a nice system where
if you if you're going away on holiday or you're

(01:51:53):
doing something and you can't take any kittens for three
or four months, they don't.

Speaker 17 (01:51:57):
They don't.

Speaker 22 (01:51:58):
There's no pressure. It's just like, hey, let us know
when you're when you're happy to grab something else, blah
blah blah. They'll reach out to you if there's a
problem and they're like, look, we're overrun at the moment.
Can you can you take three or four kittens at
a time. But yeah, very easy to care for.

Speaker 16 (01:52:14):
Yeah, great, it's a really good system.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Yeah it sounds like it. So how many cats would
you have on the go at any one time, Daniel.

Speaker 22 (01:52:21):
It's really dependent and it's up to you personally, right,
So at any one time, we only have one lot
at a time. So usually if it's a mother. It'll
be like a mother and three or four kittens, right.
We don't usually take any more than four. We've taken
five once, but that's fine while they're young. But when
you start to let them out and they run around

(01:52:42):
the house all of a sudden, it becomes chaos, so
you sort of have to keep them quite controlled. Yes,
but yeah, we would only take one lot of the
time and then we give them back. And because it's
not fear on the On the rest, we've got our
own cats and dogs and you know, and kids and
the family. So but yeah, no, it's it's a really
good system. And I think the SPCA do a fabulous

(01:53:04):
job of trying to help out with all their foster
as the best they can.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Yeah, it's a great thing to do. Daniel, thank you
very much for giving me a call. So, Daniel and
his wife fostering sixty killings for SBCA over the past
six years. What an incredible thing to do you do. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
And nine two ninety two if you want to send
a text, if you've been a fosterer for an animal before.
For the likes of the SBCA, or one of the

(01:53:29):
rescue centers. Can you hear your story the stick to,
says Angela. A previous caller was onto it. We got
a retired Hunterway farm dog eight years old as a
companion for our four year old hunter Way Bratt we
got as a puppy. The eight year old has already
been trained recallers amazing and has sorted out our four
year old better than we could in just three weeks.

(01:53:50):
Chairs from Ben, So keep those texts coming through. It
is eight minutes to four back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
It is five to four les, we're gonna be sixty seconds.
How are you oh get a you've got a dog
from the pounds, Yes.

Speaker 13 (01:54:15):
I could talk from the town. They give him ten.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Days ten days you had him, No.

Speaker 13 (01:54:22):
They gave him ten days to live.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
If you know what you picked up right and you
saved them.

Speaker 13 (01:54:27):
So the seventh bay I went down to pick it
up from teams.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Yes, and what kind of dogs.

Speaker 13 (01:54:35):
To the Mexican looked love to play on the football.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Yeah they yeah, they risk. You see the mix. I
think they call that one Liz, and and it was
a good move for you.

Speaker 8 (01:54:47):
Liz.

Speaker 13 (01:54:48):
Oh yeah, lovely, I got free. No, the other one
just pass three months ago. That's the worst part when
they had to put down because it's old age.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Yes they've got three and now it's got two.

Speaker 13 (01:55:03):
Yeah, and you gotta kiss. They could have cared they
had passed through because.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
They get Yes, it's the heart. It certainly is les
and that's a hard thing to do when they do
get a bit older. But good on you for picking
up a couple of dogs from the Pounds who are
on the euthanasia list and you saved their life. What
a great discussion. Thank you to everyone who gave me
a call and tex through on that. If you do

(01:55:29):
want to be a foster you think you can help,
just ring your local Rescue Century SPCA and they'll be
able to tell you the process for that's right. Thank
you very much for today. That is me for today.
Coming up after four o'clock, Heather is going to have
me at Wayne Brown on the show and the controversial
Downmore development getting a fast track green light from the
government that is coming up in about five minutes. Time,

(01:55:52):
but going out to the news a bit of Fat
Freddy's drop because they are back onto it in New
Zealand in January. How good. Thank you to everyone who
contributed to today's show. We'll do it all again tomorrow.
I'm Tyler Adams. We will see you then.

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