Full Show Podcast: 11 August 2026

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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Be a very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into
Tuesday's show. Hope you having a fantastic day wherever you're
listening in in this beautiful country of ours. Matt Heath
is off on holiday this week and join the delights
of the South Island. I believe he'll be back on Monday,
but great to have your company this afternoon and for
the rest of this week. Now, we were going to

(00:48):
talk about developments and high density areas, whether the power
balance has shifted too far in favor of those developers
over property rights, and we will get to that a
little bit later in the show after two a clock.
But we do need to transition this hour because a
lot has changed in the last fifteen minutes, and that
is Christopher Luxen is now called an urgent in person
National Court BECAUS meeting for tomorrow morning to put an

(01:10):
end to growing speculation about his leadership, saying the division
is now at distraction just ninety days until the election
on November the seventh. So the move has come after
reports that National MPs have been discussing a possible leadership change,
with some anonymous MPs reportedly saying a change is inevitable.
Senior MP christ Bishop today has backed Christopher Luckxon and

(01:34):
urged colleagues to stop leaking to the media, while denying
he or Ericus Stanford are involved in any sort of
leadership challenge. So the meeting comes after what some have said,
we're a rough few weeks for Christopher Luckson, including controversies
over his comments about businesses, the MMP referendum which he
mentioned on Kerry Show on This Ferry Station, and some

(01:56):
comments around Foreign Minister Winston Peters is well, but I'll
just read out what he puts on X twenty two
minutes ago. So he said, it's clear from various media
reports and conversations there is increased speculation about my leadership.
It is my firm belief that division and disunity are
a distraction, and ninety days out from the election, I

(02:17):
also believe this distraction is unfair to the New Zealand
people and dedicated National Party candidates supporters, volunteers when there
is so much at stake. For these reasons, this issue
needs to be resolved quickly, and I am calling an
urgent in person caucus meeting tomorrow morning at nine point
thirty am in Wellington to resolve the issue. So I

(02:39):
want to get your thoughts on this. Is this the
right move for Christopher Larsen to try and put an
end to this speculation by calling this caucus meeting urgent
caucus meeting at nine point thirty am tomorrow morning, or
is this just giving credibility to a bunch of stirrers
within that particular party. If you read Thomas Coglin's piece
in the Herald today, a whole bunch of anonymous MPs,

(03:00):
one of them saying that change was inevitable. So do
you think this is the right move? Is he right
here calling this urgent meeting that the speculation needs to
end and he's going to put another line in the sand.
Of course, he did this very thing in April where
he won the vote and stayed as leader. So is
this the right move for him to do this again?

(03:22):
Or do you think it is just buying into a
bunch of potentially backbenches people so far down the list
they don't really matter, causing a bit of a stir
Oh on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call a nine to nine two is the
text number? And what does this make you think of
the National Party themselves? I mean, you can talk about

(03:44):
how this makes you feel about Christopher Luxeen, whether this
is a sign of leadership to say that he's had
enough of this sort of scuttle butt and he just
wants to put that line in the sand. But also
the National Party itself, does it just need to clear house?
This is twice in the space of four months that
this has read its heads to the point where the
Prime Minister, the leader of the National Party has had

(04:06):
to call a meeting to hold a vote to clear
the speculation. So eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? Nine two ninety two is the text?
Plenty coming through already, this says, I get a guys.
The whole Chris Luxeen issue and swirling rumors is simply
mischief of making by a predominantly left leaning media. It's chippy.

(04:26):
They should be concerned about having led the Labor Party
into their lowest rating in a decade, this one says,
til it it's most The most annoying thing, rather, is
that the whole National Party leadership story is a complete lie.
It is invented by the media and they do it
every single election to try and roll National. It's happened
for the last four elections that I can remember, and
this one National needs to shut down all the talk

(04:47):
of rolling Chris Luxe and concentrate on being a united team. Also,
the media and the Bogan parties need to wake up
and realize how fortunate the country is to have such
a bright, honest, experienced person in charge. So do you
agree with some of those texters? Tell me, oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It
is eleven past one. Back a few minutes the.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Big stories, the big issues, to the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used
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Speaker 2 (05:19):
It is fourteen past one. So Christopher Luckson has called
an urgent in person National Caucus meeting for tomorrow morning
nine point thirty am two, put an end to growing
speculation about his leadership, saying the division is a distraction
with just ninety days until the election. So what is
your thoughts about this? Is this a wise move from
the leader of the National Party, from the Prime Minister
to try and put a line in the sand, And

(05:41):
how do you feel about this constant whispering and bickering
and stirring within the National Party when it comes to
the leadership ninety days out from an election. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty's that number to call? Get
a tony.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Here, Good afternoon. I think once again, unfortunately mister Luckson
is trying to run his government like a business. Now
it's not a business. And he should have the confidence
to basically carry forward onto the election about doing this
because he has done it before. And I don't think

(06:15):
it's helpful to his cause because it obviously makes them
he's looking he becomes looked upon as a man who.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Lacks confidence by doing this.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
And as far.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
As I'm concerned, I don't see anybody else in that
party that could be any better. There may be some
that could be as good, but I don't see anybody
standing out. Possibly Erica Stanford would be the only other
person who would present quite a good image and leadership
for the National Party. I honestly, I've looked at all

(06:51):
of them, and nobody else springs to mind that could
do a better job than what the current guy is doing.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Not that it's that great what he's doing, but you know, I.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Mean that's a part of it.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And look, when it comes to Erica Stanford, no doubt
about it, she's been incredibly impressive in the education pool, absolutely,
but she's untested. She's untested as a leader though, wasn't
she tony?

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Arguably part of the reason she is so good at
education is because she's zero. She is uber focused on
on that one portfolio, so she is at across it
like nobody else. But then when you step into a
leadership position where you've got to be across every portfolio,
would she still have that same competency to be across
everything rather than just focused on, you know, the portfolio

(07:36):
that she she does do so well at the moment.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
I think she would.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I think she's the only person that could do it.
And the advantage of putting her in if that's what
happens tomorrow, which could happen, you know, it may happen.
They might have it all set up, but she would
get a lot of woman voting for the National Party,
and that's that's quite a big good.

Speaker 8 (07:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
I think she's got a lot of appeal, but she's
the only one that I see there who could possibly
do as there's probably a better job than Crystopher Luxem.
There's no other person in that party just got the
actual appeal to the public any more than what the
current guy is, which to me, he's not great and
he never has been. But you know, I don't support

(08:18):
the National Party anyway, so it doesn't really worry me.

Speaker 9 (08:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Fair enough to Tony, thank you very much for your
call and your thoughts. So do you agree with Tony?
What I'll say is I think calling this leadership vote
or an urgent meeting anyway for the for the second
time in four months. Some would say that is leadership
and that's drawing a line in the sand. But I
think to me that does look like a lack of

(08:43):
confidence that you've got to back yourself, don't you as
leader of that party to say I don't care about
some backbenches or people within the party making phone calls
to journalists and trying to stir things up. I mean,
if that's the case, you've got to You've got to
smoke those people out, don't you. You've got to find
out who in the party is doing that and get
rid of them. Could you ever see John Key doing
something like this having any sort of leeway for anybody

(09:08):
stirring up discontent within the party? Helen Clark for that matter,
as well, that have no bar of this. They would
find them and boot them out and quarterize what is
going on here? But what do you say? Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
and nine two ninety two is the text. Plenty of
texts coming through. We'll get to a few of those.
This one here, Seyes. The steirers in the National Party
should be fired in good riddance. Luxon is probably the

(09:29):
best business knowledgeable person the government has ever had. The
rest are just amateurs this one. So, Tyler, you were
telling us there is nothing to it, but now you
are going to do thirty minutes of talk back on it.
Might do more than thirty minutes of talk back. Get
a grip and find some decent material to discuss, like
the out of control Auckland Council with a continuing degradation
of our country that's from Wilson. Now, I didn't say

(09:52):
there was nothing do it. I did originally when I
was having a chat with Azaria, But then in the
space of thirty minutes, Christopher Luxon himself called an urgent meeting,
So that gives it credibility, right, So that is what's changed.
But thank you very much for your text. This one
says regarding the meeting tomorrow that Christopher Luxin has called,
it will be to announce another leader. You watch. That's

(10:13):
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Speaker 2 (12:06):
It is twenty to two pass one. Sir Christopher Luxon
has called an agent in person National Caucus meeting for
tomorrow morning to put an end to speculation about his leadership.
Is that the right move? Oh one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Get a shame.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
Hi.

Speaker 12 (12:23):
Now, I've met Chris Luxe, and I met him at
I rear with Beach one day before he got before
their last election, and I saw him as New Zealand
savior to rescuers from what had gone on before. Now
he's an amazing speaker, he's really intelligent. He's great at

(12:43):
holding the thing together. But as far as if they
roll in like I voted National my entire life, except
to say thirty years ago when I sillyly well, actually
it wasn't silly at the time.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
I voted a Green.

Speaker 12 (13:00):
When they were in an environmental party. Now, if they
roll Chris Luckson, I'm not they won't be national, won't
be getting my vote, and I've voted for them. I'm
sixty nine years old and I've voted for them my
entire life.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Is that just because of your feelings for Christopher Lackson
or do you think there just shows disunity and they're
not ready.

Speaker 12 (13:24):
Well, there's it's I think it's basically Chris Lackson's biggest
problem is the left wing media that see him as
a threat. Right from day one, even before he got in,
they were trying to rip him apart and find out
reasons to undermine him and make him look bad, when

(13:45):
really it's just a hit job. The media can say
all sorts of things and sway people's It's a bit
like Trump. If you lie often enough pretty much, people
might believe you. So I believe it's a hit job
by the media and the people and the left wing
parties that see him as a real threat. I think

(14:07):
he is New zealand best chance of ever getting out
of this hole because of the business acumen, his ability
to bring other people together, and on the overseas stage,
he's probably the most that's seen a credible leader us

(14:27):
him as had in a long time.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I would agree with you. You know, all this talk
about saying he's had a rough couple of weeks, I
just didn't see it. I mean, yep, he apologized for
the comments he made to the business people in Rota
rua fair cop. But then the stuff about MMP, I mean,
was that really that egregious When he was talking to
Kerry and he didn't say that it was a policy,
but he said he would back having a referendum on

(14:50):
MMP at some stage, but that was a personal thought
of his. He never said it was a policy. And
I think a lot of the media jumping up and
down and saying what a cock up was a little
bit rich. I didn't see that, you know, too much
wrong with that particular aspect, And I think maybe part
of that's what you say is right, Shane, is when
some people decided they had it out for Christopher Luxe,
no matter what he see to do, they would find

(15:12):
something to to try and pull apart exactly.

Speaker 12 (15:17):
I think they see him as a real threat and
they're trying to undermine them in any way they can.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Shane could to get your thoughts. Thank you very much
for giving us a call. Do you agree with Shane? I?
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? Chuck?
Your thoughts?

Speaker 13 (15:30):
Yeah, my thoughts are. I was a National Party member
and when Chris Luxen became MP, I was very optimistic.
But that did not last too long. Do you remember
what he did to Maurene.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Pew Simon Bridges, You mean no, Maureene Pugh. I know
who mauring Peugh is. Yep, West Coast MP, who's been
hit by lightning several times.

Speaker 13 (15:58):
Oh well, she just asked to see some evidence about
this climate crisis or anything. He just got her to
get on the phone within an hour and say, oh,
I've seen the light I was totally wrong. Now I'm
a member of the Act Party. I'm very concerned. If

(16:20):
lux and still there, it could mean Chris Hopkins could
be the nex PM. Now let's go back about the
stuff ups. He made the idea of just on the
hoof talking about an MMP election without consulting any members

(16:43):
of his party or the coalition partners, and then he
talks about yeah, who's in numpties. Who do you think
he was referring.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
To, Well, there'd be speculation, but who knows. I mean, look,
I listened to that audio and I think check you
could take that, You could take that several ways. He
might have been referring to who's in the coalition now,
but I heard it as potential people who could come through,
say the Opportunity Party if you believe the polls looking
like they have a sniff of getting across that five

(17:14):
percent mark. So that's what I heard, that anybody who
gets across that five percent mark had a potential of
maybe having to do a deal with them. That was
how I heard that.

Speaker 13 (17:24):
Well, he was talking about he wanted all National Party
members in the cabinet. Now that that's how I read it.
That's what he meant. So if he wanted all National
Party members, that means he didn't want Actor Nurcy on
first in it, and it SERTs I think some of

(17:45):
the coalition partners thought that was the case. But you know,
he's just not up to it, you know, especially on
that MMP thing, coming up with policy on the hoof.
Sure you can argue it's not policy. He just didn't

(18:06):
have to respond to it, but we're going to see
what happens. It is a big worry. If do you
think there's any chance that Chris Luxon will be the
PM running up to the election after this?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, I do, yeah, I mean not one hundred percent,
but I think, yeah, I think there's a strong chance
he will. I mean, who's the contenders here, So a
lot has been said at Chris Bishop, Erica Stanford was
brought up. Both of them have said that behind Christopher
Luxe and I know that's politics and anything can change,
but if they don't have the numbers behind the scenes,
and whoever this was that was talking to Thomas Coglin

(18:46):
and saying that change is inevitable. I mean, of course
they're always anonymous, because you know, that's the journalistic code
when you're writing those sort of stories. But the very
fact that those people exist within the party and nobody
seems to know who they are, does that give it
any credibility? Chuck, I mean that person could just be
some loser right down the bottom of the list.

Speaker 13 (19:05):
No, No, there's a lot of good people in the party.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And I was in it.

Speaker 13 (19:13):
It's just I left basically because of Chris lux and
his actions. And everything and who knows by Weddenestea we
could evern them.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yep. Well, I suppose we'll wait and see what comes
out of that urgent meeting tomorrow. Chuck really appreciate you
giving me a buzz. Thank you very much for your thoughts.
Are you with Chuck?

Speaker 14 (19:35):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (19:35):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
got forwards If we can't get through, keep trying and
if you want to send a text. Nine two ninety
two is that number. Headlines with Wendy Petrie on their.

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Speaker 2 (21:07):
Thank you very much, and we are discussing an urgent
caucus meeting been called for nine point thirty a m
Tomorrow by Christopher Luxen to quell the dissenting voices within
some parts of the National Party around his leadership. So
do you think that is a good move? O eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is this all a
massive beat up? What do you say? Nine two ninety

(21:28):
two is the text number get Paul?

Speaker 16 (21:31):
Yeah, I have to agree with you. I think, quite frankly,
as far as I can work out, it's a bit
of a beat up. I mean, Shirey mind, is stuff
that's gone on? Mmp. I mean it's good to see
if he had an opinion. I mean, it's not like
we haven't voted on it before, but it seems like
I mean, this guy, Thomas Cogland, I think it's about

(21:51):
his third or fourth article he's written on this very
same subject. It's almost like he has one or two
people that are obviously feeding him. I think you know
what he's done in calling the meeting. Hopefully we'll get
to the bottom of it and sort it once and
for all. I mean, it's just gone on, and there

(22:15):
are obviously one or two very I would suggest they
were minor, given the supporters getting from the top people
within cabinet. I think it's minor. I think it's got
to be sorted though, because really we as voters want
to understand what the policies are of both labor and

(22:35):
national and get on with understanding the cost of those policies,
understanding what the impact is going to be, and we're
getting very little of that from our actual media. We
don't seem to be getting any challenges to labor on
no policy. Why are we not getting that? It's just crazy.

(22:56):
We're seeing how ninety days out and I don't think
I could even tell you a policy that I can
remember other than capital gains, tax of labor. What is
going on? You know, at least there are you know,
National has put out and shown that there are policies
that they will be in endorsing and putting out, you know,

(23:19):
from in all the various departments. We talk about law,
education and cut, but I don't hear anything else. And
I'm annoyed with the media because I just think they
are distracting us from what we should really be going
which is understanding what each party is going to do

(23:39):
and the effects going forward.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, well, hopefully, Paul, when I think we do do
this on this station, as we actually talk about the
policy that gets fronted up by various different parties and
throw it out to talk or they host talk about
it in the breakfast in the afternoon shows as well.
But you know, calling the second meeting. So he did
this in April and to quell the dissenters and to
put a line in the sand that I am the

(24:03):
leader and I will be the leader to the election.
And then having to call another meeting to do that,
that's what I can't understand. I mean, why can't you
smoke out these dissenters who are stirring the pot and
talking to various reporters and then it's becoming headline news.
And again I look back on some of our stronger
MP's John Key and Helen Clark. I just don't think

(24:23):
they would have stood for this. They would have found
out who was doing the leaking and smoke them out
of the party and that's that. Then. You know, that's discipline,
isn't it. To find out those people who are trying
to stir the pot, get them out of there, and
then you show unity to say we've got rid of
those guys. They were winges, they couldn't hack it. They're
out of the party now and we've got the best
of the best and we're ready to go.

Speaker 16 (24:45):
Yeah. No, I don't just agree, but I think he
tried to do that once already, and for some reason,
his dissenters have persisted, and okay, I think he's got
to do it this time. Take them out, whoever they are,
because I just think that it is too distracting for us,
for people we want to know about policy and impact.

(25:07):
We don't want this ongoing distraction. And that's what it is.
And I think he got a call guys like, I mean,
Cosden will never devolve sources, but I mean, really he's
firing away with I can't reveal, Well, is there anybody there?

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, yep, fair enough to Paul. Thank you very much, mate,
Really appreciate your thoughts on that one. Ryan, your take, Yeah, in.

Speaker 17 (25:35):
Interesting, Tyler. I I was a little bit blate to
the ligial conversation. I didn't realize that caucus medium been
called tomorrow morning. So that is that is a you know,
I agree with what you just said. I think that
is that is a destabilizing look for him. I go
back to a couple of callers earlier, the Canadian fellow
who's an AX supporter. He I think he was right.

(25:56):
I think I think Luxan never really got that honeymoon
faces that most politicians get, which which was rough. I mean,
he was new to politics. Anyway, you'd think we'll get
them a go perhaps, I yeah, I mean, I think
he's capable. I think he's run the country or the
government as well.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
As he could.

Speaker 17 (26:16):
He's got a he's got a couple of dudes there,
you know, in the name of Winston and Seymour, who
who do take a bit of raining, which means you
cannot do what he wants to do, Which is why
I understand why you want first past the post and
a little if I do a little time out there.
My my wife's French, and you want to see what happens.
And there's many, many, many names in the ring to

(26:38):
run a country. You don't want it, you don't want
it like it's and it gets worse, and I think
I think we're at that point where.

Speaker 18 (26:48):
Again I was.

Speaker 17 (26:49):
My first election was ninety six when he got one
of my votes. I didn't really understand what I was
doing when he got one of my votes. And when
it came around twenty eleven to choose that my parents
were opposed, they were first past the posts. Keep it simple.
I went for the I went for the new, new one.
But looking at Europe, looking at Fermanly, looking at for
it's you just get too many cooks, too many cooks

(27:13):
in the kitchen, and it ain't good. So I think
he's suffering by that. And I think he just said
what anyone would have said in a position, going my god,
this is crazy. We can't run a country this way.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, well that's what I couldn't understand about the beat
up on that particular situation. Ryan is and this is
pretty close to verbatim. And they were talking about the
referendum for the four year term, and then Kerry asked them,
would you support a referendum on MMP and he said,
you know what, Yeah, I think I might. I think
I might. I think I would. So it wasn't a
policy announcement to say we are going to run with
this a hit of the election and trying to blindside

(27:48):
National endpiece. It was his genuine thoughts, his personal opinion
about how we felt about the electoral system. So why
that was taken as some sort of massive controversy or
snaffer or he's blindsided his party with policy they didn't
know about. It just wasn't true. That wasn't part of
that conversation.

Speaker 17 (28:05):
No, I know it just but yeah, look, I know
there's a bias out there and there's a left, and
there's right and there's whatever. But to me, he just
he doesn't seem And look, I actually didn't vote. I
didn't vote for him. I'm normally a center right supporter.
I went a little bit further. Was just because I
didn't want to act. I didn't want first he's on
person there but therein. But I just thought that he

(28:30):
never got a shop and because of.

Speaker 18 (28:33):
His and he looked.

Speaker 17 (28:34):
I think it's I think he is even though he's
a political I was gonna say the word scholar, but
I know, I know he studies up and I know
he's a I know he reads, you know, his whole life.
He's done business and he's studied politics. But I think
there's probably a knack for it. And I don't think
he hasn't the way Seymour, Winston Key, Uh, those guys

(28:55):
have it. Which is which is unfortunate because in my opinion,
in my thoughts, he's a capable person. Remember where the
National was, you know, four years ago, they were in
the dias rates. So yeah, look, it's going to be interesting.
I don't think it's going to help. It's going to
be interesting that I would Yeah, my personal opinions, I

(29:19):
think it'll be horrific to go back to the center left.
I just don't think they have anyone's got any real
life experience to do anything in this scenario. So, but
again that's just my one single opinion.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, and it's a good one too. Ryan, You're getting
a lot of support, thank you very much. So do
you agree with Ryan?

Speaker 16 (29:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number two call?
This is on the back of the Prime Minister, Christopher Lexin,
leader of the National Party, calling an urgent caucus meeting
at nine point thirty am tomorrow to put to bed,
hopefully this dissensional questions about his leadership. So is that
the right move? Nine two ninety two is the text number.
I'll get to a few more of those very shortly.
It is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Sa'd be seen two two. So there's been more stirrings
around Christopher Luckson's leadership of the National Party, to the
point that he has called an urgent in person national
Caucus meeting tomorrow morning at nine thirty am, hopefully quall
or put to bed. Are that stirring around his leadership?
So is that the right move from Christopher Luckson? Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call?

(30:27):
Get a Mary?

Speaker 16 (30:29):
Oh hello, look, I was just my thoughts.

Speaker 19 (30:33):
Are Luxon's a leisure now which other person could plead
with his qualifications? He was in charge of New Zealand's
largest airlines. That's in charge of the pilots right down
to the people behind the desk. So surely that's a
quality that nobody else has got.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
You don't think there's anyone else within the National Party
who could step in as leader if need be. No,
Chris Bishop, no.

Speaker 16 (31:08):
Because he was a school teacher.

Speaker 20 (31:10):
What he did was yell at children.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Eric Stanford.

Speaker 16 (31:16):
I used to work the years ago.

Speaker 21 (31:18):
Now Captain's lot of the new people.

Speaker 19 (31:21):
Winston wouldn't be a good leader as much as he's
a good politician.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Wrong party as well for Winston. But yeah, look, I
mean you're getting a lot of support on teachx Mary.
But let me let me ask you this. Do you
think and we're getting ahead of ourselves here, but do
you think if Christopher Laxon was rolled, would that be
destabilizing for the National Party ninety days out from the election?

Speaker 19 (31:43):
I do think so, because one's got to realize the
quality of running a large airline. Nobody else has got debt,
so who of I mean, okay, Winston's a lawyer, was
a lawyer, but no, I really do think he's the

(32:04):
best because he's run a large airline. If you can
name somebody that's some bigger than that, who it is?

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well in terms of business experience, I think you're right, Mary,
but whether that is you know, the skills that you
need as the leader of the National Party. So I
may disagree with but thank you very much for your
phone call, Kram. How are you?

Speaker 18 (32:26):
Yeah? Good, thank you. Look, I'm not a National supporter
anymore or I'm not a fan of Luxon, but I
do think what the public wants from the Prime Minister
is a bit of leadership and just to call, you know,
make this the last one, because we thought the last

(32:50):
you know, the previous one was going to be the
last challenge and if it's come up again, that's very
embarrassing and just goes to show if the result of
the outcome tomorrow is going to be the same as
last time. I don't think that's going to be a
good show for the party. I think two things have

(33:13):
to happen, you know, if the Prime Minister has got
enough votes to carry on, I think whoever's been doing
this has to be punished or they have to be rolled,
you know. So there's only two things that can happen tomorrow.
If none of that happened and the same outcome happens,
then I don't think that's good either. So whoever it is,

(33:36):
we don't know who it is, you know, we don't
want to speculate, but I think they should be punished
and they should be I don't know what they can do,
you know, whether they can remove them or sack them,
or they have to take some decisive action ninety days
before the election.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Absolutely, yeah, I agree, and I think it's well within
the Leader of the National Party's power to seck whoever
the descenter may be. But you're quite right, this can't
keep popping up. It popped up in April and we
were told it was put to be a dre Now
it's popped up again. And whether it is put to
bed ahead of the election, who knows, but you've got
to get rid of those people stirring the pot right.

(34:14):
And I think many other leaders, many other leaders of
various parties telling Clark John Key, would have made sure
they did that. If they had to call a vote
on their leadership, whoever was going up against them would
not have a bright future within that party for long.

Speaker 22 (34:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (34:33):
I mean, we've got big issues in this country at
the moment, you know, with infrastructure, with hospitals, with ambulances,
there's so much going on. This is the last thing
we need in a campaign, you know, where there's in fightings,
you know, for a first term government. That's literally unheard of,
you know, in recent times. So that's not very good.

Speaker 14 (34:56):
You know.

Speaker 18 (34:56):
I mean, look, I mean I don't vote National, but
you know, I'm you know, in one of the coalitions.
I support one of the coalition parties in the current government.
But yeah, it's just I think it's not a good
look at all for anybody. We've got massive things we
need to go and sort out, and this is what
they can come up with. They come up with all

(35:17):
sorts of taxes and then and then you hear this
like people are getting pissed off because they've going to
pay more taxes, you know, and then you know what
I mean, like people's futures, like people come you know,
so anxious about paying their power bills, water builds, and
then all these parties are coming up with all sorts
of other taxes when people are struggling, and this is

(35:40):
the last thing we need in a cost of living crisis.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, Kareem, thank you very much for your thoughts. So
do you agree with Kareem? Is this the last thing
you need ninety days out from a important, very important election,
or is it the right move by Christopher Luxen to
try and get some stability, to put a final line
in the sand. Or do you think this is going
to keep popping up again and again until they can
find who it is that is talking to the likes

(36:04):
of Thomas Coglin and other media saying that there is
whispering's around leadership within the National Party. Oh eight, one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Quick,
couple of texts here, get a tiler lux and discussion.
The supposed crisis is engineered by the media. Make a
story from speculation. Pathetic this one, get Tyler, I'm so
peeved off with the winging that winging neat. They need

(36:26):
to either front up or shut up and get out
They whoever they are dragging their party down big time.
That's from Laura. Keep those techs coming through. On nine two,
nine two, it is eight to two.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls. On oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons News Talks Envy.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
It is five to two two Sarah. What's your thoughts
on Christopher Lux and calling this urgent in person national
caucus meeting.

Speaker 23 (36:53):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (36:53):
Look, I think it's pretty scary ninety days out from
the election, but I guess they need to do it,
and I think it should be a final call for
these people to stand up and you know, just say
what's happening because it needs to stop. It just keeps
coming up. But it's it's not good ninety days out.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
No, I mean, do you do you think this is
a smart strategy from Christopher Lux and just to quarterize
this hopefully once and for all, and perhaps even find
out who it was that has been speaking to media
and get them out of the party.

Speaker 20 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think that I agree that that's probably
a very good call to do that. And yeah, look
who is it? Get them? Get them out because I'm
not really needed.

Speaker 8 (37:40):
I mean I've always been a.

Speaker 20 (37:41):
National supporter, but this year I won't be through one
of their policies. That's forty years. But yeah, I think
he needs to sort that out.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, fair enough too, Sarah. Thank you very much for
your call, So taking your calls on our one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. We'll carry this on for a
little bit longer after two o'clock. And if you want
to send a text ninety two ninety two, is that
number plenty coming through like this one? Maybe the MP
is not a political or business leader. I think that
what we need running the country at the moment is

(38:12):
someone with some business louse nows rather and we should
celebrate the different approach and this one surely, ninety days
out from an election is way too late to not
only change the National Party leader but also the Prime Minister.
Winston was right. Luxon should never have called the leadership
vote in April. He predicted this outcome. National need to
start focusing on labor and the Left Block, not New

(38:34):
Zealand First, or Act that is how they will win
the election. Keep those teas coming through nine two ninety
two is that number? And coming up after the two
o'clock news, we'll have a chat to News Talks. Heb
Senior political correspondent Barry Soper about all of this news
sport and whether or on its way with Wendy Petree.
Hope you haven't a good Tuesday afternoon. Stay here, I'll
be back in a few moments.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 21 (39:09):
Said, be.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
News Talks. He'd be welcome back into the show. It
is six pass to great to have your company on
this Tuesday. So, as we've been discussing, Christopher Luckxon has
called an urgent in person national Caucus meeting for tomorrow
morning at nine point thirty am to put an end
to growing speculation about his leadership joining us. Right now
is news Talks, heb Senior political correspondent Barry soaper Gette.

Speaker 9 (39:35):
Barry, Good afternoon, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
So, first up, is this a wise move from Christopher Luxen?

Speaker 24 (39:39):
Oh, well, you know the fact that we all knew
that he proposed vote of confidence in himself earlier this year.
Speculation starts as it has done over the past couple
of days, and it's a bit like a stone gathering moss,
and this particular stone has been rolling down the hill

(40:00):
now for some months. But and the few gaffs and
the gaffs if you look at them relating to Christopher
Luxeon has been actually very very minor. I mean, you
know the call on MMP a referendum, Well that's the
prime minister's call to make forget just Deurn made a
captain's call on capital gains tax and got away with it.

(40:24):
So the stuff that he's been doing, and even telling
the business people that they can't come to parent government
for handouts all the time.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
I think was a fair call.

Speaker 24 (40:36):
But it was part of a conversation as well. So
I think if there's anything that you could criticize Luxe
and for as being a little too loquacious, but too
keen on talking and says more than what a guarded
politician would say, and I think that says a lot
about the time that he's been in politics. I mean,

(40:58):
he's only been there four and a half years in
or how on it's five and a half years since
he came in. But if you look at now his
own call, almost a third of them fifteen of the
forty nine caucers are first termers. Now, these are people
that really may understand something about politics, but they don't

(41:19):
understand the nuance that changing a leader is going to
increase the chances. What it does is is it increases
the public's perception of disunity in the party. And if
you're a disunified party, then rarely did the public say
we want to vote for you. So it's a big
play whichever way you look at it.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Was Winston right back in April a text alluded to this,
and when he called for the vote back in April,
and Winston Peters came out and said he's going to
regret that that was a poor move and he's had
to hold another caucus meeting for another potential vote there.
So was Winston right in the start that maybe that
wasn't the best move to try and put that line
in the sand.

Speaker 24 (41:59):
No, he is right to an extent, because, I mean,
Winston is an old campaigner. I mean it's not that
as though his own leadership has ever been challenged. Know
what it's like to be the subject of a leadership
bid against him. But look, there are people that are dissatisfied.
If you look at the opinion polls for the National Party,

(42:21):
even though they increased in the last poll, whereas National
dropped quite significantly by almost four percent.

Speaker 9 (42:29):
Now, who knows. It could have been.

Speaker 24 (42:31):
Labor out there basically stirring the pot and some people
getting a hold of it and then going to National MPs,
not the unhappy.

Speaker 9 (42:41):
Ones, and starting that stone to roll again.

Speaker 24 (42:47):
Yeah, I think probably tactically it was a bad move,
but I think that Chris Luxen thought that he would
have stopped it there and then. But the gaffes recently,
and like I say, they're minor, but they're enough for
some of the more naive politicians to say, look this man,
he won't win come the election. Well, it shows just

(43:10):
how much they know about politics.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I think, why can't he smoke the descenders out? Is
there too many descendants at this stage to maybe smoke out?
And follow up question, I mean, could you ever see
John Key or Helen Clark getting into this position?

Speaker 24 (43:24):
Well, Helen Clark, you may remember it was she was
preyed upon, she wasn't the Prime minister, but she was
the leader of the opposition and she was known as
Miss three percent, so it could never get her personal
popularity ratings very high at all. And then a group
of MPs went and waited on her, and they included
Annet King, Michael Cullen, Mike Moore and the like and said, look,

(43:47):
it's time you should move on, while she said, bugging you,
I'm staying where I am. But what did she do.
She promoted them to the front bench. Yes, so if
you do have detractors, it's better to put them in
a position that they really no longer want to challenge.
But unfortunately, there are a couple in the National Party
caucus at the moment that could see themselves as potential leaders,

(44:11):
and they're probably not discouraging people from getting out there
and stirring the pot on their behalf.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
So the numbers of the vote in April have been released. Well,
the one of the dissenters told Thomas Coglin it was
in the vicinity of twenty seven to twenty two in
favor of Luxe and Stain leader. But with that and
might who has those numbers, it's the whips right, So
clearly there is a leader out there.

Speaker 24 (44:33):
It's a secret ballot, so there are only two people
that know the numbers. Now, neither of those two are
going to be in the possession of saying yeah, we
lack the numbers to the media, and I doubt whether
they would. I mean, it's a very trusting job being
a whip of a political party. So it's speculation. And
who knows who put those numbers out there, because no

(44:54):
one really knows, and you can put a number out
there can be neither proved or disproved, even by Luxeon himself,
although I'm sure he probably has a pretty good idea
of how much he survived by the last time. But look,
you know, I thought he was courageous putting it to
the vote because it could have gone either way. But

(45:14):
he did that. He obviously felt he solidified his position
being the leader of the party. But you've still got
detractors out there that believe they could turn the fortunes
of National around a bit better than he could.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
So looking a head to tomorrow morning, Barry, what do
you think his chances are of survival.

Speaker 24 (45:36):
Depends on how he plays this if he goes in again,
and certainly the speculation about leadership doesn't help any leader.
If he goes in there and says, look, you know,
we've had a gut full of this. What you're doing
is you're destroying the party's potential for the coming election.

(45:58):
People will either back down or say no, you're doing that.
We want to vote and we've got the numbers. He
may in fact find out that they have the numbers tonight,
and if they do have the numbers members, then I
would imagine knowing Chris Luxem as I do, he would
probably do the honorable thing and resign. But if they
don't have the numbers, he'll steer them down again, probably,

(46:18):
But it never looks good for a leadership having to
fight to the extent that he's had to fight. And
don't forget he took over a poison chalice when he
became not just the leader of the National Party but
the prime ministers. A hell of a thing to turn around.
And that's the problem when you go into an election
you promise so much as they did at the last election,

(46:40):
and realized once they got in there, when they saw
the color of the books, it was they were bleeding
and was It's very hard to turn that around. The
short time.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
It's been a hell of an election campaign so far,
and we're still ninety days out, Barry so more to.

Speaker 9 (46:54):
Come, a lot more talking to come to.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Absolutely great to see you. That is that is news storks.
There'd be senior political correspondent Barry Soapers. So what do
you say. We're going to take some more of your
phone calls and your thoughts and opinions on this. I wait,
undred eighty ten eighty a sensible move from Christopher Luxe
and what do you expect will happen tomorrow morning? It
is fourteen past two. Back in a few moments.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Talk, say'd be seventeen past two. We are talking about
Christopher lux and holding an urgent in person CAUCAUS meeting
for tomorrow morning to put an end to groin speculation
about his leadership. And Senior political Correspondent Barry Soper is
going to stick around with us. He's been kind enough
to hang around for another fifteen twenty minutes to put
some analysis and take your questions on this as well.

(47:42):
Get a shang zaan, sorry, yeah.

Speaker 25 (47:45):
Get a well if Barry's listening, maybe he could answer
my point of view. I'm a left block vader and
I'll be voting the least block. I haven't decided which
on the left to vote for, but this is my
worst nightmare. If Luxon does get rolled tomorrow, and I
think he will and replaced by Bishop, which I think
if National has going any brains, that's who you'll pick.

(48:08):
Then I think Labor a taste. I'm not saying Bishop
is going to do just inder like raising of National
from from Lazarus by ten or twelve points, but I
will say he's easily going to be worth five or
six percentage points to them. I think he's a relatable guy.
I agree with his policies the cause being a left

(48:30):
block voter, but I just think he's just more natural.
He's more of a of a of a what you'd
call a normal Kiwi bloke. And I think it's bad
news for Labor and he is maybe leader tomorrow. I
think if if Luxon stays or if they choose Stanford,
who to me has you know, for all her talents

(48:52):
as people say she is as a politician, she's to
me got the personality of a you know, whit cheese cloth.
I don't don't. I don't think she will. I just
don't think she'll hit it with the public, but Bishop will.
So from a left block perspective, don't pick don't pick
Bush because I think labor history, And just quickly, why

(49:15):
is this immediate beat up? As some people are saying, now,
Thomas Coglan works for you guys under the eny better
if national MPs are ringing him up, isn't he duty
bound as a journalist to disclose that in an article
because if he doesn't because he thinks that might be
bad for the current the current way the election laws,

(49:40):
isn't he then showing biases the journalist.

Speaker 24 (49:42):
Ze Zonus Barry's over here. The problem with being in
the press gallery is that if there's dissension in the ranks,
and clearly there has been in the National Party now
for a while, when a MP rings you and tells
you they're doing the numbers and the numbers are favoring
a particular candidate, you can't expect the journalists to sit

(50:05):
on his hands and do nothing about it. The other
thing is I'd like to throw into the magazine being
you being an old lefty, what about the likes of
Mark Mitchell for the job. Now, he's a real key
we bloke down to earth and I think is quite relatable.
So that's a that's an outside possibility, but it's a possibility.

(50:28):
I look at leaders of the past that are very
similar to the Mark Mitchell cut in his cloth, and
I think.

Speaker 9 (50:37):
You know, he could.

Speaker 25 (50:40):
I yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, probably
still do better than Stanford, but I I just don't
think he'd be as a smoother and communicator and he
can get a little bit you know way with there.
I mean his response to the to the supposed referendum.

(51:01):
He came out straight away and didn't think about it
and said, oh no, that's not going to be policy.
And then you know, obviously an hour or two later
Lux came out and say yeah, it's to now be
part of now. So he doesn't do it for me.
But then, you know, I can see what you're saying.

Speaker 16 (51:16):
But just what do you what do you think about what.

Speaker 25 (51:18):
I was saying about about Bishop Barry, Because I'll tell
you what, as an old lefty voter, I would like
the action. You know, if I had to put the
two best possible politicians to lead our country wanted them
to be PM. I would prefer to be an election
between mcinnulty and Bishop right.

Speaker 9 (51:38):
Oh lord, that says all.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Thank you very much for your calls. A O one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
So what do you think Christopher Luxen's chances are when
he holds that urgent in person National Caucus meeting tomorrow morning.
Barry Sopa, senior political correspondent, is with us for another
few moments. Have you got some questions to bear? Artful? Barry?
He is here for the time being. It there is
twenty two past two back in the month, the stories.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
The big issues, the big trends, and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks ad B.
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on used talks.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
EDB twenty four past too. So Barry Sopa is sticking
with us for the next ten minutes or so and
taking any questions you've got about Christopher lux and calling
another urgent in person caucus meeting to end growing speculation
about his leadership. Question for you, Barry, so you showed
me the list before in terms of the first term
MP's within the National Party. I mean, is that a

(52:45):
risk for a party that you've got so many one
termers in there. Sometimes they can get a little bit
big for their boots, but also they're worried about where
they're sitting on the list as well.

Speaker 24 (52:54):
Right, Yeah, it's really difficult if you're running a caucus
as Chris lux is of forty nine including himself, and
you've got almost a third of them first terms. Now,
these are people that have never been serving in Parliament,
don't understand the system that well. And it's bigger than

(53:14):
just looking at the leader and saying, you know, oh,
I've had enough of you. We'll change and will change
the direction of the National Party and will be in
a much healthy estate. They do naively they think that,
but then again you've got Chris Luxon himself. Like I said,
he's a novice in terms of political experience, but I
think in the time that he's been there and he's

(53:36):
had one hall of a run as Prime minister, I
mean hall of a run being difficult being the Prime
minister in these circumstances. But my belief is what he
will try and do tomorrow unless they've got the numbers,
and that's the final score. If they've got the numbers
to roll them, then he'll probably resign, but he'd have

(53:58):
to be convinced of those numbers.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
So I suspect that.

Speaker 24 (54:01):
What he'll do tomorrow is what he did several months ago,
walking to the caucus meeting, saying, I've had a gut
full of all the speculation about my leadership. I want
to bury it for once and for all. And whether
it goes to a voter is another matter. But you know,
I think he'll take a fairly resolute stand on what
he's about to do.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, good Nancy. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 16 (54:25):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (54:25):
Well, well my thoughts. You know, I want to know
from our political person, what is wrong with Chris Lux's
relationship with people, with the world. I mean, I see
him as a world leader. He carries himself and our

(54:48):
problems that we've got in this country. He's managed to
hold a coalition group together, he's got what is the matter?
What is the matter with these people? Why don't they
enjoy his leadership? As far as I've been able to see,
is that he's given out the role. So that you know,
the the positions to these MPs virtually to get on

(55:12):
with it, and then got them to report at caucus.
What does the man have to do?

Speaker 24 (55:19):
Yeah, yeah, No, Look, Nancy, I think you're absolutely right
that being a prime minister is one hell of a job.
You live in a goldfish pole and there are fishermen
around that bowl trying to get you to take the bait.
Chris Luxon, I think if you look at him, particularly
when he does travel overseas, when he speaks to people.
I saw him in the Corrow Club last Sunday, funnily enough,

(55:40):
going back from Wellington, and you know he was engaging
with a number of people that came up to him
to talk to him, and you don't often see that
of prime ministers, particularly if they're in the Coro club.

Speaker 9 (55:53):
That's what he does. He's very good at relationships one
on one.

Speaker 24 (55:57):
But the problem is you can be very good at that,
but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to have
the hearts and minds of the people that actually serve
under you, particularly when they're.

Speaker 9 (56:08):
Worried about their jobs.

Speaker 24 (56:09):
And I'd suspect that the reason he's being challenged yet
again is because they are worried about their own backsides,
not occupying the leather seats in the debating chamber anymore.

Speaker 8 (56:23):
No, we were just so impressed. I live in a
retirement village and we group of us you are not
being great supporters of National but came out of there
and said, Wow, that's our leader. That's our leader. You know,
it's frustrating for some of us seniors that we've got

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this stuff going on.

Speaker 9 (56:47):
Nancy, He'll be listening in this afternoon and you are
on his team.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Thank you very much, Nancy, and nice to hear from
you and the rest of the retirement. It's just that
there's a lot of texts coming through Barry that they
reckon Christoph Luxing gets too much of a hard time
from the media. Do you think there's any truth in that, because,
no doubt about it. He's made some missteps, right, But
is of the situation when you are the leader of
the National Party and you're the prime minister, you're gonna
face more scrutiny and if you get into a series

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of misteps, sometimes you find yourself in that position that
no matter what you do, they are going to pick apart.

Speaker 24 (57:20):
That you start at feeling unsure of yourself as well,
So you open your mouth and say something and you
immediately regret it. And that's the difficulty, like I said,
living in a goldfish bowl that prime ministers have to do.
But look, I think when he took over the reins
of power, it's like many prime ministers I've seen over

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the years that the books are in no healthy state,
and you can't turn things around immediately. And we know
there are a lot of people suffering at the moment,
and that's acknowledged by all and sundry, whichever side of
the political spectrum you're on. But you can't have a
magic wand and make things right overnight. Politics takes time,

(58:04):
and certainly correcting things and making the books and better
shape takes more time than simply a promise on an
election campaign.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah, more very soon. Taking your calls O eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty, we'll get the headlines with Wendy Peatree,
come Upeters bang on to thirty.

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Now back to Tyler Adams News talk said be extra since.

Speaker 26 (59:35):
Being downgraded into two lanes, which basically means one lane
headed north, one lane heading south.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Either that or it's not going to be built at all.

Speaker 26 (59:43):
Four lane highways, by the way, are not flash ah,
they're not extravagant. We should be able to afford them.
The fact that we have another politician who was supposed
to be all about supporting infrastructure giving up on roads
again says clearer than ever that we have a problem here.
And the problem is not that four lane highways are unaffordable.
It's that we are spending too much money in the
wrong places. If we can't afford them. We spend way

(01:00:04):
too much. I don't know if you realize this. We
spend way too much on entire just giving money to beneficiaries,
giving money to pensioners, giving child care money to families
who are on a quarter of a million dollars a year,
giving money to rich pensioners. We can heat up their
houses and they just use it to run their sparpools
over winter. We do not spend enough money on infrastructure.
We don't need to give up on four lane highways

(01:00:25):
like Shane Jones has. We just need to stop wasting
the money that we should be spending on four lane highways.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
That was a news talk.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Zai'd be extra.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
It is twenty six to three, and we're talking about
this urgent national caucus meeting that the Christopher Luxen, the
leader of the National Party, has called to quail growing
speculation about as leadership. We are joined by senior political
correspondent BARRYE. Soper. Verry, thanks again for hanging with us,
and there's plenty of texts and questions coming through to you.
But let's go to Gary Gett.

Speaker 27 (01:00:53):
Gary, Yes, hoy, boys. If the Prime Minister is we
are all of this cord and it is having to
call it a carcus readings more, he should do the
honorable thing and step down. Look, nothing gets a boy personally,
But honestly, I've been voting to the wou votes at
the normal Kirk days. He is not a strong leader.

(01:01:16):
He's a very weak leader. He doesn't act decisively. Wisdom
Peter should have been removed from his position. He doesn't
speak about what's going on in guards that he doesn't
speak out about all the illegal things that are going
on globally, you know, affecting the world. So I think
it's time for him to go. Honestly, he has become

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a liability to the National Party.

Speaker 24 (01:01:39):
I just wonder, though, Gary, how much is he the
liability or how much is all the stirring by his
colleagues the liability, because the problem is when you've got
the perception of the disunified party, and that's what these
people do, the backbenchers who stir and say or do

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the numbers, They create the discord and it's left the
leaders with no other choice than to try and respond
to this discord when it's made public as it has
been this week, and then do something about it, because
if he didn't do that, you would go into the
election with talk of leadership spills between now and November seventh,

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and that's the last thing that the National Party needs,
nor the leadership or the leader of the National Party needs.

Speaker 27 (01:02:35):
Yes, fair enough, Barry, do you think he's been strong
enough with the other two coalition leaders?

Speaker 16 (01:02:40):
Do you think he's been I'll.

Speaker 24 (01:02:43):
Tell you, Garrett's a hell of a job. You imagine
you've got two fairly large egos in Winston Peters and
David Seymour, and to get them to a table at
the start and to nut out an agreement was no
mean feat. But it was done, and they would say
in the interests of the country, and it's to be expected.

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At this stage, ninety days out from an election, that
you're going to see differences between National and its coalition
partners because they're quite separate from each other. They all
have different views to each other and that's to be
expected in the MMP environment that we now find ourselves in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Good on you, Gary, thank you very much for giving
us a call. Good question here, Barry. How much of
this relates to the list announcements that was made three
days ago?

Speaker 24 (01:03:33):
Oh, probably quite a lot, because a lot of those
first term MPs, if they hold a constituency, they know
that if the polling's low and the party votes line,
if they don't win their constituency vote, they're not going
to be back in Parliament. So you know, there's nothing

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that put puts the frighteners on any MP is to
think that down the road or three years on, they'll
be out of a job. And for many this job
in Parliament it's probably the cushiest job they've ever had.
Flying to Wellington every week, staying in probably a nice
hotel or somewhere, having the collegiality that Parliament exposes them to.

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I mean, it's not a tough job, brilliant unless you
really work on behalf of your constituents and then you
really are putting in the hour, so that's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Then, yeah, Chris, you're on with Barry Soaper you've got
a question for him?

Speaker 28 (01:04:34):
Yes, I do espeously, thank you Tyler to take me.
But this is story that Barry. Thank you the most
politically stute commentator in New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (01:04:45):
Chris, have you got another half hour you can stay on?

Speaker 28 (01:04:50):
Yeah, but when it comes to quickly. It's the way
you report politics. You stay out of favoring people. You
just report it as it is. And I love that
because it gives like, just look at the facts as
opposed to we swing. So thank you for being that
guy in the media.

Speaker 9 (01:05:08):
Thank you, Chris. You're calling from Australia.

Speaker 24 (01:05:12):
I am what about then?

Speaker 28 (01:05:16):
Don't get me started.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
So you can guess which color I.

Speaker 28 (01:05:25):
Am now anyway, So anyway, I wanted to put something
past your berry, a little bit of a statement and
then get your respondents after If I mate, I don't
think it would be a vote, but a shut up
or quit sort of chat. And the people at the

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top of National know if you did the now they
may be gone because we saw what happened with Labour's
panic to get rid of Jasinda and we all saw
what that happened.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
At the next election.

Speaker 28 (01:06:00):
He needs to have a we didn't bother to vote,
press release and just go. That's it, no more outside noise.
That's who we are, you.

Speaker 24 (01:06:11):
Know, Chris, You're absolutely right if he can go in
tomorrow steer them down. So there was no vote. Clearly
the numbers weren't there, because if the numbers were there,
they would force it to a vote. So if he
went in and said there was no vote, I'm the
leader of the National Party and button up to those
who keep frustrating what it is to be in government.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I think Chris has just fallen off. But thank you
very much Chris, and the high praise for Berry Sophy
love that.

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
Hi.

Speaker 9 (01:06:41):
Hi, mister Hello Marie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
How are you not.

Speaker 21 (01:06:45):
Too bad thinking? I'm disappointed at that you shifted from
Wellington to go to Auckland. I mean, dear God, give
me credit.

Speaker 9 (01:06:56):
Wellington, but Tory Farnel drove me out.

Speaker 21 (01:07:01):
Well, She's shove a lot of people out. I aren't
a great believer that mister Lacchey should stay. Well if
I hope that he will stay, I hope that the
right ones, right, mister Bishop and a few of the
others will get behind him and keep him as the

(01:07:21):
Prime Minister and right up to the election, and then
see what happens in the election. But I do hope
he stays. I think he's a good man. He has
New Zealand at heart, and whatever happens, whatever happens with
other outside influences, it's not his fault.

Speaker 24 (01:07:42):
I believe you're absolutely right, you know, Marie, I've often
said that Chris Laxony came from a multimillion dollar a
year job as the head of Air New Zealand, came
into a job that paid him a fraction of what
he was on.

Speaker 9 (01:07:58):
Do you think he did that for the good of
his health. He did it.

Speaker 24 (01:08:01):
Essentially because he believed that he could make New Zealand
a better country. And that's fear of all the leaders
that I've covered over the years. They all believe they
can make the place a better place. Some of them
are blatantly unsuccessful, but some of them are very good
at the job. So, you know, Marie, your calls very

(01:08:22):
much appreciating.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 21 (01:08:25):
Well, it's much appreciated that we missed you down here
in Willington.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Thank you, Marie, Barrie back to Wellington, thank you very
much for your call. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number. I think we've got time for
one more before Barry's got a skidaddle. Let's go to David.
Get it, David, Yeah, goody, Hello, how are you good?
What's your question or your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Well, my comment and question to Barrie Barry is, as
I'm a professional person, longtime national supporter, my feeling with
Christopher Luxon is he just doesn't get it, and I
feel pretty sorry for him because I feel that he's
the wrong man in the wrong position, and the recent

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gaps that he has made and so on, which are
just inexplicable, indicate he just doesn't kind of get it,
and that there's a basic unsuitability or lack of confidence
or something there which have caused him to say some
of the kind of stupid things that he said. I mean,

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do you think he gets it that he's the right
man for that sort of job.

Speaker 24 (01:09:32):
Well, you know, he believes that he's doing the best
for his country, and that's one thing. But honestly, David,
I think when it comes to the gaffs that he's made.
They are not that significant. I mean everybody you do,
I'm sure I do. Tyler does you say some stuff

(01:09:53):
sometimes and you think, oh God, I could have said
that better. And that's being the Prime Minister. Believe me,
having watched so many of them, it's not an easy job.
It's probably the most difficult job you could possibly have,
because everybody's resting on your every word and if you
are in that position, that's a bloody hard place to be.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
I get that, and I understand that, and I think
Luxon is a good guy, working hard and so on.
But I just feel he's the wrong man and the
wrong wrong position.

Speaker 9 (01:10:30):
Who do you think would be better?

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Well, I don't know, but it's like he doesn't have
good political instincts, which is why he's made the silly
statements that he's said, which were just kind of utterly inexplicable,
and he just seems to lack political insight or political instincts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
But just going back to what you said before, Barry,
I mean, isn't that the you know, the beat up
or people taking the situation like the MMP discussion he
had with Kerry And we mentioned that before, and I
think as close to verbatim as I can mention it.
He was talking about the referendum for the four year
term and then carry asked him should m MP be
put to the refer of them as well? When I
think as words were, yeah, I think it should. I mean,

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is that that controversial to throw that out there? It
wasn't policy, It's not something that he was going to
take to the election. It was his own personal thoughts.
And then all this pilava about his own MP's being
sidetracked about some sort of policy that wasn't a policy.
I mean, was that a storm and a tea cup?

Speaker 24 (01:11:27):
Well, you know, I don't think it was. I think
it was a pretty minor gap. And the thing though,
is that people like me say, now you've got a
generation of people since nineteen ninety six have been used
to MMP. We now finally understand how it works. And
that's why you've got the two major parties pulling it

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around thirty percent. Now that was unheard of not that
long ago, and even at the election before last, with
Labor winning a landslide and governing in their own right unbridled.

Speaker 9 (01:12:03):
Power for three years.

Speaker 24 (01:12:04):
And look what that god is. So I think, look
MMP it's here to I don't think we should be
revisiting it now. I didn't like it for a start,
but I've got used to it. And if you talk
about being a House of Representatives, I think MMP certainly
delivers that to our parliament.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
How much more time have you got, Barry? I know
you've got another job you need to be doing and
work in the phones yourself. We've got a bunch of
questions here. Look, I don't know. I know you've got
another job to do, So maybe we call it there.
What do you reckon?

Speaker 24 (01:12:34):
Yeah, yeah, I do have a bit more weaky to do.

Speaker 25 (01:12:37):
I do.

Speaker 24 (01:12:38):
I've got to go and use those phones again and
so I can have a more informed comment.

Speaker 9 (01:12:45):
When I'm having a chat to Heather in two hours time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah, brilliant a Berry, Thank you very much. We're going
to do this again. We'll bring you back to morrow. Okay,
so same time tomorrow?

Speaker 29 (01:12:53):
Right?

Speaker 18 (01:12:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number, of
course of taking your thoughts about that meeting urgent meeting
for the National Caucus tomorrow. Which way do you think
it's going to go? And is it the right move
for Christopher lars and to make that call. What do
you say? Nineteen ninety two is the text number as well.
It is thirteen to three. Back very shortly, have.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
A chat with the lads on mad Heath and Taylor Adams.
Afternoons news talks'd.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Be tens are three. Barris had to shoot off to
go work the phones and do his other job here
at Newstalks, there'd be but taking more of your calls
on how you see it unfolding tomorrow morning ahead of
this urgent caucus meeting to put an end, hopefully for
Christopher lux into the leadership. Whispers James, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 17 (01:13:36):
Well, first of all, look disappointing, mister Barry soaper, but
you're a pretty good second place mate.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
I'll take the silver this time. Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:13:46):
Good taking silver On the Barry was talking about the
Liana tmps who are sort of watching their job evaporate
in real time as part of the group that sort
might be leaving the charge. Who do you think in
that the top circle, you know, the the high levels
are having a bit of an issue with Bishop It

(01:14:07):
might be his downfall, sorry with Luxeon. Do you think
it might be Bishop? Do you think they might be
you might be a bit loyal. But what's your take
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
It's a great question. And yeah, to Bugger berrys are
not still here because he's been working those phones. But
you've got to look at what Chris Bishop did today
when these the whispers around the leadership were put to
him at a stand up and Erica Stanford was right
by his side, and whether you buy what he said that,
he was right behind Christopher Luxon. But as Barry said,
if it is, you know tomorrow morning he's going to

(01:14:38):
stare down the dissenters and say I'm sick of it.
You're either going to put it to the vote or
shut up. I am the leader. And it's going to
be like that to the election. Then if they decide
to run the numbers and he doesn't have the numbers
with him and has to resign, where the Bishop stamp
puts his hand up and says, well, I'll run for
leader then. But in terms of the senior guys, that's
the tricky part, right, is that last time in April

(01:14:59):
you had a whole bunch of the senior ministers within
the National Caucus come out and say they absolutely are
back in Christopher Luxen. So that would imply most of
the dissenting is at the lower ranks of the list.

Speaker 17 (01:15:13):
Yeah, do they have enough power to overthrow them? Well,
I like, do they mean without without without?

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
The said guys, if they've got the numbers, they've got
the numbers, James, as I understand it, You know, it
doesn't really matter what place you are on the list
when it comes to these sort of corkers votes. A
vote as a vote, it doesn't matter who you are.
But you would assume the senior guys would have the
influence of the younger guys and pull them in a
little bit, that if there is some dissenting at the bottom,

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that you get the senior guys saying buck up, or
you're never gonna make it in this game.

Speaker 14 (01:15:47):
Well, that's right, It's exactly right, because it's a long
game politics, and you know, a couple of wrong moves
and it closes pretty quickly. That's what I want to say.
I guess we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Absolutely, James appreciate that very much. So what do you say, oh,
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty, do you agree
with James that the dissenting is highly likely to come
from the lower ranking on the list or do you
think maybe some of the senior people are playing a
part here? Is well? And how do you think it
is going to unfold tomorrow morning at nine point thirty?
Tell me it is seven to three back in the month,
the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk, sa'd.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Be it is five to three. So we've been talking
about this urgent caucus meeting that Christopher Luckxon has called
to quall any of the cent around his leadership. He's
hoping anyway, It's on at nine thirty am tomorrow morning.
So the question for you is do you think this
is a wise move from a Christopher Luckxen as leader
of the National Party? Do you think he will survive tomorrow?
Is he the man to lead National into the election? Oh?

(01:16:47):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
I have had so many hundreds, maybe even thousands of
techs come through over the last couple of hours. So
let's get to those before the news hits us again.
A toilet. The beat up is happening on your very
show right now. Let's not forget how much safer people
are feeling in their communities because of the increasingly increasing
police presence and the gang patch ordered that he pushed

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through the government. Christopher Luckxon is a great leader of
the National Party and hopefully he survives. This one from
a lefty wouldn't it be great if it was Bishop
and Luxe and fired him. Nothing against Bishop, He's one
of the strongest, so it would scare even more votes
away from National n Z First and Act might get
those votes. But surely Luxon is going to get rolled,
says this text. How is he going to cope with

(01:17:32):
leaders debates when he caves under pressure. There's a lot
of stone strolling in that text and this one here
says Luxeon will survive the National Party leadership if there
is any before the election. However, if the coalition government,
he should step down to deputy with Seymour and let
the experience and charismatic Winston Peters be the next Prime minister.

(01:17:54):
So a lot of hot takes there. Keep them coming
through on nine two nine two and taking new calls. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? It
is three minutes to news. It's coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
The big stories, the big issues. The big trend scanned
everything between Matt Heath and Taylor Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Afternoons News Talk said be today to you, welcome back
into the show. It is seven pass three. Look, we
were thinking about moving on or I was certainly thinking
about moving on, But the phones are still choker block
and it is the big story of today and the
reason it is the big story of today. It started
off with some scuttle butt and some media, including the Herald,

(01:18:33):
But now Christopher Luckson has called an urgent meeting at
nine point thirty am tomorrow and that gives it credibility,
does it not? So that is what we are talking about.
Do you back Christopher Luckson to retain the leadership of
the National Party after that meeting tomorrow morning at nine
point thirty am. Do you think it's a wise move
to have the second meeting where he may call for

(01:18:53):
a leadership vote in the space of four months? Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call and if you want to send a text,
nine two ninety two is that number. But let's go
straight back to the phones. Peter, your thoughts please.

Speaker 7 (01:19:06):
Well, my thought things. I think there's a little bit
of modeling on Chris Luxton, like he has to be
some sort of typical prime minister, and it may not
be his personality that works with the media, but you
go see him in person, you watch him on the
stage and listen to him, and everyone comes away and says,
what a absolutely put together guy, knows what he's talking about,

(01:19:30):
speaks well, has a good sort of focus, really great agendas,
And then you get him on the media, and maybe
he doesn't rock out too good on the media, but
the reality of that we need a media politician, which
Chris someone else is who isn't any good of this job,
never performed well. When you've got a guy whose performance
stats are actually brilliant, like he's picked up a real

(01:19:52):
basket case when he came into power, and we've got
less crime, we've got less Drymry's done what he said,
you know, he can't do everything. He's had a very
hard budget to work with, done a good job of that,
you know, and then expect him to be good at everything,
which one of the text against him is me media.
So I agree he's got a bit of a failing
with his media presence, but his actions and his ability

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to lead have been incredibly performative. It have been really good.
And so this Chris Bishop little interview that's recent, his
other ones in the past have been quite bad in
terms of being behind the scenes, looking like he's ready
for a coup and he's wanting to get rid of
Chriss all the time. And yet he's just done this

(01:20:33):
media interview looking like the right guy, saying the right thing.
I suspect somewhere in the background he's probably acting like
a dusty old trailer bag and winding up a few
behind the scenes. You know, I don't trust him. And
as far as him replacing young mister Luxton, well, you know,
I don't. I think he comes across too hard line

(01:20:55):
and a bit of a dusty old vacuum plan the
bag look about him. So I just don't think he'd
be a guy that would carry as a number one
in the party, even though he fancies himself as it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
It's a different kettle of fish when you are the
leader and indeed the Prime Minister, that you've got to
face far more scrutiny than Chris Bishop or anybody else
in that party is probably used to. You know, there's
a few names being bandied about. Erica Stamford is another one.
There's a lot of textas saying if it's not Christopher Luckson,
it should be Erica Stamford. And she is clearly a
very competent minister when it comes to the education portfolio.

(01:21:28):
But is that because she only has that portfolio? She
has a couple of others, but she zeros in and
make sure she's across every little element of that portfolio.
When you put someone like that in a position of
leader and you've got to be across every single portfolio,
does that then start to fold the competence element?

Speaker 7 (01:21:46):
Yeah, I wouldn't have a clue what she would be like. Actually,
rather see the Finance Minister if anyone was going down
that path. But to be fair, I don't think you
know anyone that's the sense during dissension in the party
at the moment hasn't got the country's best interest at all,
because all I've got is their own agenda. You do
not do that right now before in an election try

(01:22:07):
and put the Prime Minister in this position like you're
a dirty dog. Basically, if you're winding that one up, do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
You think Christopher Luxon has found himself in the unfortunate
position that. Yeah, he's made a few missteps and a
few gaffs during his time as Prime minister, but he's
tried to change tact over the last twelve months, maybe
even a little bit longer, and he's got a new
direction and he's more careful with some of the things
he's saying. But he can still say his opinion on
various elements. Right. But because some elements of media and

(01:22:36):
maybe the public already have their image of him, he's
on a hiding to nowhere.

Speaker 7 (01:22:40):
Well go back to what Barry Soper said. Nothing he
said has actually been that outrageous. I mean the latest
one was probably bad choice of words, but I think
I know what he meant. You know, behind the scenes
you can kind of see wasn't many bad thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
You're talking about the business brief, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:22:57):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of agree with that. And when
you're running a business, yeah, I run a business. I
don't look to the government and what they're doing at all. Ever,
never will. I hope the government creates a good atmosphere
for business. But you know, I've never looked at the
government for answers and business. It's not part of running
a business in my view. But what Barry said was,

(01:23:18):
you know, he has actually made any big mistakes. He's
just said some things that were probably not that perfect
to say. But comparing him to Winston Peterson at the moment,
he's a walk in the park. So I think it's
just the media you want to beat up on him.
They don't like and never have. It's being a bit
mean really. But this thing, you know, late, this latest thing,

(01:23:38):
to me is someone who's got a personal agenda. I
think Barry probably hid of the way that two wouldn't
be surprised of old Chris Bishop sniffing around the back
of it anyway. But you know, give the guy a break.
Look at his performance. What a great job. Well done.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Good on you, Peter, Thank you very much for your thoughts.
So are you with Peter? Do you think Christoph Luxen
is on a hiding to nothing? No matter what he does?
There is an image out there in certain media and
the public that he is not up to standard and
they'll never change that view. And he's getting far more
of a hard time than other people in his position
would have got in the past. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number of nine to nine two

(01:24:16):
is the text. This text says it's a last desperate
effort by some back bencher list MPs who're going to
lose their jobs. They only care about themselves lucks and
has no choice but to shut it down tomorrow. That's
from Maria. Keep those texts coming through. It is thirteen
past three back recently his talks sixteen past three Dave
you reckon, it's a beat up, Oh, one.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
Hundred percentular tyler. Yeah. Look, I tell you what I've
got a message for, particularly one of your callers two
or three back, who says that he's a national supporter
and going on about Luxe and he just doesn't get it.
What mate, what do you expecting him to get? I mean,
the guy's human and an actual fact, you know, when

(01:25:03):
he says something that's a bit off the cuff and stuff,
there's an authenticity about that door it. What might comment
to that person and to plenty of other national so
called people who are disappointed with whatever? What do you want?

Speaker 30 (01:25:17):
Do you want.

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
Somebody who's rhetorictive, rolls off their coming like a beautifully
polished thingy, but then there's no substance to them. Surely
you want somebody who's competent, who knows how to make
great decisions on behalf of our country. And that is
what Christopher Luxen brings to us. Barry's comments are so

(01:25:39):
pertinent that he didn't need to be in that role
in the sense that he could have carried on with
his sweet life and done very well fro himself, thank
you very much. But he put himself forward to take
all the crap and whatever that leadership does hold because
he genuinely wants to contribute to this country that he
love so much.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Oh, it's all of a John Davia. Do you think
part of the reason he has found himself in some
trouble in some quarters and absolutely what you say, massive
beat up in many of those elements. But part of it,
this is what I hear, is that he will say
something that's perfectly a normal thing to say. It might
be an opinion, or it might be quite a strong

(01:26:20):
statement that he was saying, like to the road to
r breakfast business meeting. But then when he rose back
on it and he said, I apologize for that, my
meaning got taken out of context. That might all be true,
but that's part of communication, right that if you firmly
believe in something that you've said, and he got a
lot of support in various quarters, particularly in the business community.

(01:26:42):
He got a lot of pushback as well. That's what
happens when you say something of substance. But it's the
backing down that probably gets them into more trouble than
just sticking with what he said and backing in his
south that he's done nothing wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
Yep, fair comment, Tyler.

Speaker 18 (01:26:58):
I'll go with that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
But I'll tell you what. There's the other side to
that coin that that's a mark of genuine humility that
he's prepared to say. Yeah, look, I'm sorry. I might
have got that a bit wrong. But here's the issue.
I read the majority of New Zealand. We didn't need
to know what went down in that Road to R meeting.
That's for the Road to RUA guys and women to

(01:27:20):
discuss and consider. We don't need to know so much
of what happens in various meetings around the country and
whatever else. The media don't need to report everything. I
wish they were just excluded for Pete's sake. Let them
just get on with it. You know, in different areas,
all it does is stir up flip and trouble. So
you know, I just say to people who all, I'm

(01:27:42):
an Airstore supporter, and well, no you're not. Just zip it.
You're not supporting National at this point in time. If
you're speaking the think and you know, supporting a dodgy
U pointers.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
I've put on your Dave passionate and love it, and
certainly there's a lot of teaks coming through responding to
what you're saying. Keep luxing On is the man. He
is the best person to lead the National Party into
the election. So keep those teaks coming through A nine
two nine two and always could to hear from you, Dave. Annie,
How are.

Speaker 20 (01:28:18):
You hello, Tyler, first time caller.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Oh, welcome man, Thank you very much listening.

Speaker 31 (01:28:24):
I always listen to your program, but this time I
am just sick and tired of what is happening around
bashing Luxon. I think he's been a leader for three
years of a very difficult context, if you want to
call it that way, with three parties, and I think
he's done a good job on that. So as a voter,

(01:28:45):
I'm trying to make a decision around you know who
I'm going to vote. I'm always voted Labor. I've voted National,
but it's very hard to make a decision when all
you hear are fragments of what he has done and
not the comprehensive picture. And I think so far I
see him as doing a very good job with a

(01:29:06):
very challenging environment that we have, not just in New
Zealand but internationally, and I think for three years that's
not enough time for someone to show efforts and efficiency
and progress. So I just want to say that, you know,
I think there's a lot of this And then I
was hearing your call, and.

Speaker 20 (01:29:24):
That's really good. I can, you know, someone a little
bit more emotional, but I think it would be nice
to have some kind of logic to the debate around
why he would be considered a better well, his leadership
needs to be given some kind of credit.

Speaker 31 (01:29:40):
So that's all I have to say. I don't have
any criticism. I'm just a voter that wants to listen
and help me make a decision, and so far, I
really am gearing towards National still because although the coalition
parties have their problems, they seem to be running it
all well together, you know, And there's a few populations

(01:30:03):
that has been represented like the older people in this
community that I am, and you know, like the debates
that we currently have. So I just want to say
that I say, you know, like I think it would
be really good to have some kind of a rational
look on our own contacts and what's happening in New
Zealand and the challenges we're facing, as well as how

(01:30:26):
this may be similar to the rest of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Yeah, nicely said Henny, very well articulated. And when it
comes to the coalition, Yeah, a lot of people said
when that coalition was formed, and it took some time
to get it across the line, but there was a
lot of dissenters then saying it was never going to work.
And you've got to say the evidence is that it
has worked pretty well over the last three years. Thank
you very much for your phone call. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. What do

(01:30:51):
you say to that? And what is your view on
Christoph Lux and holding this urgent meeting with his own
caucus tomorrow to potentially hold another vote on his leadership.
Will he survive? Should he survive? Tell me it is
twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
It is twenty four past three. So what do you
think will happen at this urgent National Caucus meeting being held?
Or call by Christopher Luckson tomorrow at nine point thirty?
Do you think he will stay as National's leader? Get
a John?

Speaker 28 (01:31:26):
Okay, Tyler, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
My friend? What do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:31:31):
I got a little bit. So I agree with guy
we way back and by the way, your segment were
very fantastic. Man, oh that was so cool. But I
rung you up and was talking about Luckson's lack of
ability to stand up for things and to act like
a proper PM and in certain things. In some ways,

(01:31:52):
I sort of agree that he's not really the figurehead
type prime minister which we can be used to. He's
got lots of lovely qualities and all that, but is
he really finmous the material?

Speaker 11 (01:32:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:32:07):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Why do you say that? John?

Speaker 29 (01:32:10):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:32:11):
This?

Speaker 29 (01:32:11):
How long?

Speaker 30 (01:32:11):
You got?

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Five minutes?

Speaker 29 (01:32:15):
Right? Because you know Nicola I suspect that that yesterday
when he started talking about possible taxes. I think he
sort of his mouth gives ahead of him, and I
think he got told off, but then puts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Him in just to jump in then and I'll let
you finish John. But he had to respond to that,
right because they stood up and they mentioned their budget
responsibilities ahead of the next election that they're going to
take next to him if they get back in. But
then as part of that, it was said there's going
to be no new taxes for working people, so that
needs to be clarified. And he didn't say that. Nikola
Willis said that, so that does need to be clarified.

(01:32:52):
So I don't think it was that controversial to look ahead.
And when Mike asked him, so what are you talking
about here? What taxes are going to come into play?
That you mentioned mechanisms that already exist and they can
call them a levey or a tax. We had a
good couple of hours on that yesterday actually, but you
still need to front foot that, right. You can't be
coy on what you mean when your deputy says something

(01:33:14):
like that at the press conference.

Speaker 29 (01:33:16):
Yes, so here you I cannot just said quickly to
that point. Mike is very smart man, very clear, and
also he can you know, who get blood out of
the stone and you definitely got it there. But also
as a prime minister, you have to have some capability of,
you know, to wiggle your way out of certain questions
and have it and do it in style.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
You just ain't got it, Yeah, I mean, but what
do you want from a leader in that position, John?
Do you want someone to squirm out of it or
to not answer questions? Because that's the other side of it, right,
And we've had plenty of leaders on various parties who
are very good at not answering questions or flipping away
and saying, don't be silly, what a stupid question? And
I'm going to answer that. And is that really what

(01:33:57):
you want as as a leader of one of the
main parties. I mean, arguably that's something you can do
more effectively if you've got a smaller party. But when
you are the head of national and maybe even labor,
you've got to front foot, don't you. Don't people want
honesty in this country?

Speaker 29 (01:34:12):
Yes, so's some of last thing is that I agree
with you there, and I think that it's a bit
behind the scenes which we can't see. And I think
that if you're trying to give a good impression about
your taxes and the savings and where the country's going.
If someone on your team sort of always letting it
go ahead, that can be a problem. And I think

(01:34:33):
that's yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Fair enough to John. Always appreciate your thoughts. Thank you
very much for giving me a call. Oh, e one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number if you
want to jump in on this one, by all means, please,
I want to hear what you think about what is
going to happen at this National Caucus meeting tomorrow morning.
Do you think Christopher Larkson will survive? Is he the
best person to lead National into the election in less
than ninety days time? Tell me a couple of texts

(01:34:57):
before we've got the headlines coming up, Tyler. If these
backbenchers are wanting to replace him, who are they replacing
him with? And if the capable ones have been asked
and they support Christopher Luxen and they don't want the job,
then what and who is all? I have to say?
That's a fair question. This one says I would like
to see Erica Stamford become the leader of the National Party.
I think Christopher Luxen is a nice guy and has

(01:35:19):
what it takes to run the country, but he just
doesn't have the charisma and mana needed to be the
prime minister. Yes, the media do give him a hard
time and make something out of nothing, but that's never
going to change. Erica as a clear communicator and won't
stand for nonsense from the media. She will attract a
lot of female voters. As a longtime National supporter, I

(01:35:39):
seriously question voting for National if Christopher Leckxin continues. He's
just not the right person to be prime minister. His
image is not right. We need someone younger to be
the leader. Keep those techs coming through. On nine two
nine two, it is twenty nine past three headlines with
Wendy coming up.

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Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Thank you very much, Wendy. It is twenty seven to
four So Christopher Luxon has called an urgent caucus meeting
for tomorrow morning, amid speculation he doesn't have the full
support of the National Party. Taking your thoughts on this
on oh E one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do
you think Christopher Luckxon has had a rough time as
Prime Minister and the leader of the National Party. Do
you think he is set upon by the media and

(01:37:35):
other quarters far more than other leaders in his position?
What do you say? Nine two ninety two is the
text number? Is I your thoughts?

Speaker 28 (01:37:44):
Hey, Tyler? How are you going, mate?

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
I'm good. It's nice to chat with you.

Speaker 22 (01:37:47):
Yeah, you too, mate, And it's for sure. I really
find this very interesting. I just want to talk about
something you just mentioned and we talked with thinking amid speculation, Well,
how long has this really been talked about? It's not
been very very long, you know. In my sort of
short political sort of I can remember times when, sure

(01:38:10):
you hear murmurs and you hear stories of what would
we call it a coup or so to speak, But
I've never really seen it was this one.

Speaker 28 (01:38:19):
I don't.

Speaker 22 (01:38:20):
I've never felt that energy from Bishop or Willis or
Stanford ever. And I think it's a grave tragedy that
someone likes Thomas can come out say that he's got
a he's got someone in the list who's sort of
verifying these statements. When to be honest, n I don't

(01:38:42):
think any of it's true whatsoever. But the things who
has these stories.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Who brought this up, who told us this, Well, it
started off in the here Thomas Thomas Coglan wrote the story,
and he was fielding calls from from some members within
the National Party. And as Berry Soper said about an
hour ago that when you get those sort of phone
calls from legitimate members of that party, you can't sit,
you know, sit on that story. You've got to put
it out there to the public, and you've got to

(01:39:09):
protect your sources as well. But when I read that
this morning, I thought it was scuttle buck. And we've
heard this and we've already had Christoph Luckxen call a
voter confidence in April, So why is this wearing in
its head again? But why this change desire is that
the Christopher Luxen has decided to call another caucus meeting
to put another line in the sand, so that gives
it the credibility right, clearly, if there was no substance,

(01:39:32):
substance to those stories, why would he call this urgent
caucus meeting tomorrow to put an end to it.

Speaker 28 (01:39:38):
Well, yeah, yeah, I get that, But at.

Speaker 22 (01:39:42):
The same time, there's only a few people that can
feel this way towards the Prime Minister, and those are
the ministers in his caucus. And that's no list MP
is going to propel themselves from being on the list
to becoming the prime minister. So there's only a few

(01:40:04):
people that can be feeling like this. And do you
honestly think or have you sort of seen any behavior
from any of the group that's how they feel towards him.
Two of them have already come out and said that
they support him. So either two of the three are
lion or they all feel the same and they want
him gone. And I just don't see that being the reality.

(01:40:26):
It's quite a far fit story in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
All right, fair enough to Aire, and a lot of
people agree with you that it is a beat up.
But what I will say, and you know, there's been
a few things leaked over the past twenty four hours
in regards to this, but part of that was the
supposed vote in April. The numbers were meant to stay secret,
and not even Christopher Luxen himself should have known those numbers,
only the party whips. But it was revealed in that

(01:40:50):
piece of this morning that that vote was in the
vicinity of twenty seven to twenty two in favor of
Christopher Luxen remaining leader. Whether those numbers have changed, I
suppose we will find out tomorrow morning at nine point thirty.
Won't we get a murray? How are you very good?
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 32 (01:41:08):
The thing I get coming back to is Winston Peters,
And I guess the point you're making there about the
numbers from the last count. It seems at the time Winston,
you know, chucklod And said he may have got the
numbers himself. So Winston himself warned about this back in
April that when he called this confidence vote on himself

(01:41:28):
versus Luxeon, Winston said it was a mistake, and the
point was, once you open the leadership question of yourself,
don't be surprised when somebody else opens it again. And
four months later, here we are, and I think the
thing is versus politics. Tyler the Coalition can still win
this selection Act, and he will first appear to be

(01:41:50):
picking up some of the support National itself has lost.
So ninety days out, Tyler, National and Peace have to
ask who gets National back on message, who communicates better,
and who gives them the strongest chance for another term.
That's not necessarily disloyalty. That's just the reality of politics
and my guts, Taylor, you know, it could go towards

(01:42:12):
that tomorrow might be the end of Luckson's leadership, and
you know if that happens to wisdom, but it might
be you know, think I.

Speaker 18 (01:42:20):
Want you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Yeah, and it's fear what you're saying, Murray. And of
course they're going to have those conversations if they do
not think the current leader is the man to lead
them into the election. And clearly this is a part
of why this meeting has been called tomorrow morning. But
if that is the case, I mean, what are your
thoughts on that is? I don't know if you're a
national voter, an ex voter in New Zealand First or
somebody else, but do you think that Christopher Luckson is
the man to lead the National Party into the election

(01:42:44):
in ninety days time?

Speaker 32 (01:42:46):
Personally, I don't think Luction could take that. You want
to call another a caucus leading in a non parliament
sitting data as you've mentioned, there wasn't that serious. I
think luction will be rolled tomorrow and like Tyler might
put this out to you that we might be looking
at Bishop, but we're going to be off looking at

(01:43:08):
Nichola Willis, the Minister Finance who was two ICEE. So
this is you know, I don't have anything against Luction
for a sale as politics. He's a great man family.
It's just I think the messaging and communication has been
a bit off for the nation of these past few months.
I think that's why Act has been picking up with

(01:43:31):
getting people like Paul Henry On to particulate the message.
And I think that's the issue that's a national has
had over these past a few months. I've been a
national vote myself in previous elections, but I might be
leaning towards one of these smaller parties come into this election.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Fair enough to Murray, I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you
very much for giving me a call. Just clarify this
tags here, geta tyler. Can we firm up how urgent
this caucus meeting is. I was under the impression that
Chris Bishop said it was a regular scheduled virtual meeting
of caucus, So two different meetings. So the one that
Bishop mentioned this morning was the regular choesday virtual meeting
of Caucus that they often hold when Parliament is in recess.

(01:44:12):
But this one tomorrow morning, the urgent Caucus meeting, is
a very different one. That one was called by Christopher
Luxon a little bit later this afternoon. But good to
clarify that. Keep those takes coming through. It is twenty
to four more soon.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
A fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heath and
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Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
There'd be seventeen to four. Phil, You think Luckson's doing
the right thing here?

Speaker 28 (01:44:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:44:38):
Can I toiler?

Speaker 7 (01:44:39):
How I am?

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
I'm good? Mates? How are you?

Speaker 32 (01:44:42):
What's that?

Speaker 16 (01:44:42):
Sorry?

Speaker 7 (01:44:43):
Why?

Speaker 9 (01:44:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:44:43):
You good?

Speaker 7 (01:44:45):
Not too bad?

Speaker 30 (01:44:45):
Thanks?

Speaker 8 (01:44:46):
Man?

Speaker 6 (01:44:46):
Not too bad?

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Right, let's talk about Luckson because we're running out of time,
my friend, but you Reckon it's the right move.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I think he's doing the right thing
because I think, you know, if you've got this harmony
and discourse in your group, you know, whatever it may be,
okay it's a sports group, or say you know, it's
the situation with your party, then you need to get
on top of it and cut it out or stop
the rot, so to speak, or get it dealt with

(01:45:14):
because like, like he said, it's a distraction to the
campaign if you're trying to get re elected and that
and you've got agitators or people that aren't happy, and
then the focus comes off what you're trying to do
as a party in your policies, and it all becomes
about you know, individual and individual. So it's a distraction
and it interferes, interferes with you trying to get fast

(01:45:38):
the posts, so to speak. So I think he's doing
the right thing. And if they say, if like they say,
the numbers go against him, then I think he'll he'll
he'll that'll be okay, He'll take that and he'll move on.
But otherwise, if the numbers are in his favor, he
stays on. And then that's right, that's the end of it,

(01:46:00):
you know. So let's focus. Let's focus on the end
goal now and get our get in the game, so
to speak, get our heads in the game, and yeah,
and carry on.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
It's a good message, Phil. Do you think he will survive?
Do you hope he will survive?

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
I think he will survive because I think ninety days
out to try and replace him with someone else would
not be a good move for national and I think, yeah,
so I think he'll survive. It's funny that that person
before me mentioned Nicola Willis because I was actually going

(01:46:36):
to ring when Barry was on and ask him what
do you think of the idea of Nikola Willis being
the leader? Because she kind of impresses me when I've
seen her on the TV and with her speaking, and
that because the one thing I will say about Chris
is funny thing is he was my boss at I
in New Zealand when I worked at the New Zealand

(01:46:57):
as a Lotus, so I've actually met him and he
does come across as quite nice and questionable when you
actually meet him face to face. But I do think
what you said that he has got hard time for
some reason in the media and on the TV and
that sort of thing, and he's had to fight. Because
I was going to say with the thing about him
is he doesn't seem to have the slick charisma appearance

(01:47:22):
of say like a John Key that could just sort
of be like brush things off and cruise, and that
he has to he has to. People just seem to
sweat on him to make a mistake, you know, and
then try and trip him up and get on him,
but I think he's smart enough and definitely has the
act right. I know, I would say akerman is that
the right word to use? But they had the smarts

(01:47:43):
to actually get the job done. I think it's just
for some reason, it's just that image thing, you know
that people get up that sort of don't gel with
with people. But in terms of doing the job, I
think he's Yeah. And like I say about Nikola Willis
as well, you know, she seems to I might be
just me, but when that fellow mentioned I thought, well,

(01:48:05):
I'm not the only person that sort of as impressed
by her kind of she seems to have that what
would you say, impressionable or nature on people. I don't
know what the just me, but so yeah, I think
you'll survive.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Fair enough to Phil, Thank you very much and always
nice to hear from you.

Speaker 20 (01:48:27):
Pats your thoughts, Oh hello, Yes, it's interesting to hear.
Most of them are sort of on the same pack
as where I'm coming from, I suppose. But just like
over the last six to eight months when I when
we hear that some people were thinking the media were
giving them a bit of a hard go, I've made

(01:48:49):
an attempt and an effort to watch question time quite
a bit in Parliament, and boy, it is so frustrating
when you see exactly what happens in question time and
then you get the report from the from the media
and there's a lot of difference. And you know, I

(01:49:11):
think that there's you'd have to go a long way
in any of the parliamentarians who are in Parliament on
any side to find someone who is so astute and
so at ease and comfortable on the overseas forum with
meeting overseas leaders. And you know, you try and look

(01:49:33):
at the likes of who are on the other side,
like Christopher Hipkins and yeah and mcinoughty, you think, gosh,
put them in that position with all those world leaders,
they would be like fish out of water potentially.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
I mean it is a good job. Yeah, No, it's
certainly a different kettle of fish when you are the
Prime Minister and you're doing those sort of junkets and
you're meeting world leaders and you're trying to present you know,
the best case for New Zealand to be a part
of that as you can. But that is part of
politics though, right is You're quite right from everyone who
meets Relux or has dealings with him face to face.

(01:50:11):
He's very jovial, very charming sort of individual, and many
politicians have that traits. But if you cannot portray that
to the general public, then that can obviously be a
bit of a thorn in your side, rightly or wrong.
I mean there's a lot of techs coming through saying
we need to be bigger than that, but sadly that
is that is part and part of the politic. Good

(01:50:34):
on your pet, Thank you, nice to chat, Debbie. We've
got a couple of minutes. What's your thoughts.

Speaker 33 (01:50:39):
Yeah, Oh, look, I think everyone's saying it. I think,
unfortunately much Moreys is working so hard for the country,
he does not resonate with the public. People do not
warm to him for whatever reason. It's just unfortunate. This
is a little bit more of Alerican or in a
more a bit more like John Key. But there's just
something and I don't I don't think there's anything you

(01:51:00):
can change. I think he's a.

Speaker 19 (01:51:01):
Very upright person with great values.

Speaker 33 (01:51:04):
And working hard, but there's just something there that we
do not warm too for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Do you think he's tried, Debbie? I mean, you know,
and I said this a little bit.

Speaker 32 (01:51:15):
Earlier, but I was inside out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
Yeah, But no matter what he does now, people will
still have the initial impression that he doesn't have for
whatever reason, that charisma or he can warm to people
when you know, as a lot of people have pointed out,
he does have that ability face to face, but sometimes
it doesn't present when you're in front of the tally
or on radio. But I also think times have changed

(01:51:38):
since since John Key was Prime minister. You know, the
media is different. It is different how an election in
politics is covered, and that probably doesn't do too many
favors for those people who need to be in front
of the cameras and you know, jump on the radio
to try and portray what their position is and look
jovial and a fun person someone you want to fighte

(01:51:59):
around for a barbecue. You've got to be a lot
of things.

Speaker 33 (01:52:02):
I mean, his message has been unfortunately hard to New Zealanders.
We do have have had to suck things up. Times
have been difficult, and I just think just because of
his back roundy and it's coming from business. He's been
very business like and it's just we just haven't seen
that warmth and people have not felt it unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
Yeah, Debbie nicely said, and thank you very much for
giving me a call. A couple of teks before we
got to play some messages. Longtime National voter here, and
if Chris Bishop has put forward, I will change my
allegiance and I think I wouldn't be alone on that
this one, Tyler. If Luxon doesn't have the numbers, he
will step down, but will I personally would want Erica

(01:52:41):
Stanford to take over. She's a safe Auckland seat and
as a female, would be critical to attract female voters
back to National. Erica I would expect would choose James
Meagher as a deputy. He's a popular, young multi MP.
And this one Luxon should walk into a meeting tomorrow,
into the meeting tomorrow, quits and walk right out. He
doesn't need this job and this party is a joke

(01:53:03):
for doing this. That's from Mike. That would be a
power move. We've got time for John, Yes we do.

Speaker 4 (01:53:08):
John.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
We got about sixty seconds.

Speaker 30 (01:53:11):
All good. I think the reason that he hasn't resonated
with people is that he just consistently from the very
beginning of dodged questions when asked about anything material about
what he's doing in the country, and he's been so
critical of the labor guns at government in the past,
and I think that's why. I think people just see
through the smoke and mirrors.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Just expand on the smoke and mirror's part. You don't
think he is upfront when he's when he's asked questions,
because sometimes he gets him into trouble. According to the Texas.

Speaker 30 (01:53:42):
Yeah, I think he. I think. I think if you
watch those interviews with Dak Jack Tame or even on
the NEWSALKSFB with Mike Hoskin and Slot on Wednesday morning,
when when asked the hard questions, he would often just
never really give a solid answer. He would just sort
of spit his narrative. You know. That's how That's why

(01:54:03):
I think anyway not.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
Fair enough too, and many others may see it like
that as well. John, Thank you very much much for
your phone call. Right back in a minute. It is
eight minutes to.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Four, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
Be it is five to four. That is pretty much
us for today. A one final text here, Kida Tyler,
I think too many people seriously undervalue the ability of
Christopher lux and he is very smart and has the
respect of other world leaders. He comes across well in
community meetings, but the media have constantly given him a
hard time and probably turned many away from seeing the
true quality of this man. Thank you very much for

(01:54:44):
your phone calls and texts over what was a jam
packed four hours of radio this afternoon. Really appreciate you
and your opinion. There'll be plenty more on with Heather,
but after four o'clock on Heather Show, act wants to
make UNI support fees option or the head of the
Victoria University Students Association tells Heather why he thinks that's
a disastrous idea and going out to the We thought

(01:55:09):
it was pretty appropriate, Marvin gay. I heard it through
the grapevine, of course, a song about a person who
feels shocked and hurt after finding out through gossip and
rumors that their lover is unfaithful and planning to leave
them for an ex boyfriend, which may or may not
be fitting. Ahead of that meeting tomorrow at nine point
thirty am, so we'll see what the outcome will be

(01:55:30):
of that particular urgent caucus meeting for the National Party
and for Christopher Lux and thank you once again, have
a great rest of your Tuesday afternoon. Will be back
here at twelve o'clock tomorrow afternoon, and I look forward
to your company.

Speaker 23 (01:55:44):
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Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
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