Full Show Podcast: 11 May 2026

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 11th of May 2026, private school costs are going up and up, is spending big bucks on a fancy school worth it?

A woman is gathering shipping containers on her land to build a house, and her neighbours aren't happy - we hear your thoughts on the 'my land versus your view' argument.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Sed Be good day to you, welcome into Monday show.
Great to have you with us and Bloody nice to
be back as well.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you man.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
I'm very good, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Tyler.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Had a great weekend away not week away, went down
to Dunedin. What a beautiful city, Dunedin as the pretty city.
I was visiting my son down there as a university
and had a look around the campus. Oh yes, that's
a lot better than when I went to university down now.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
They've tidied it up. It's a flash campus. There's a
lot of week to do after you you went there
out Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
There was a lot of a clean up, lot of
broken glass to be sweeped off the streets. Also during
my holiday, I went to see Split Ins last night
You're Lucky Lucky Man at the Spark Arena. That was
such a great feel good concert. And I mean I've
really been a fan of split into my whole life.
But it just struck me last night. What a strange

(01:15):
band they are. There's sort of this art rock powerhouse
with so many hats. Tim Finn is just such a
great front man. It was incredible, and you've got Nil
Finn who was ripping up on guitar, medicals on drums.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
How good a super sub.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
No it was? It was, It was really really good.
And just the songs Shark attack, history never repeats, Poor Boy.
So many songs that you forget about. Stuff are nonsense,
the stuff and nonsense song the song here right, it's
just such a great song. I am a sort of
forgottenly brilliant ballad.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yes you know this one here?

Speaker 5 (01:55):
We go.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
So much to raise it. It's such a great I
haven't heard that for so long. But you're so right.
That is an absolute banger off.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
The Frenzy album and absolute bangers like us Poor Boy,
And you kind of forget that Tim Finn was the
front man of Splitteens.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
He's so the front.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Man, yes, and Neil Finn's quite happy just to be
the little brother.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
Look ye.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Neil Fin sounded amazing on the vocals as well, and
has written obviously some of their biggest hurts, but it
was just such a feel good performance. I mean, I
don't know if they're ever going to play again. I
think that's the end of the New Zealand tour. They've
got some Australian stuff. But if you went then I
think you'll agree it was a very It was a
magical night.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
You even ate Kerry coming out saying did you go
to Spldeens And she raved about it. So all the
videos on social media, Oh man, what a vibe. You
lucky lucky man.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Now this is an interesting thing. I was looking out
across spak Areina, the packed Spakarina last night, and so
few people were filming it compared to other concerts I've
been too recently. And maybe that's the age of the
split ins fan, but there wasn't nearly as many punishing
phones in the air filming what was going on?

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, how good?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Right on to today's show after two o'clock, we do
want to have a chat about an article article today
focusing on a woman who has a mast sixteen shipping
containers on her residential property.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Sixteen you heard that right.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
So her name is Sophia Armored and she hoarded the
containers as she believed they provided a practical and affordable
solution for storage, accommodation, and future plans for a house
on the site. She argued the containers helped support her
lifestyle and financial situation, and that she had invested heavily
in adapting them for use. However, the neighbors and the
council authorities raise concerns about the scale of the development

(03:49):
and its impact on that residential area, leading to legal action.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
So she's hoarding containers, isn't she? Sixteen containers? If you've
seen the picture of it, it's quite quite crazy.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's not a container.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, and maybe she believes that she could put them
together minecraft style into some kind of dwelling at some point,
but right now they're just containers. But it's the age
old question, isn't it. If it's a land, why can't
you just pile as many stupid containers on there as
she wants for some day in the future to do
something that you'll never get around to doing.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's a fair question because I'm not stacked up, you know,
one by one. It's not some massive tower of sixteen
shipping containers. They're laid out individually. Some of them are
completely rusted away. So her line that she's invested heavily
in their development, I think was a bit of a porky.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
What's that video movie? That Steven Spielberg movie A gosh,
I can't remember what it's called, but everyone lives and
piled up containers. That's off topic, Ready player one, Yes, yeah, anyway,
But I guess the other side of it. Do you
owe your neighbors to not have a property that's just

(04:57):
a massive eyesaw for everyone else? How much do you
owe people's property values and such, and just do you
have a duty to make your house look good for
people walking past?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
It's an interesting question.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
We're taking your calls on that after two o'clock or
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty, But right now
we don't want to have to talk about private school education.
So in New Zealand report out today it's becoming more expensive.
Ten schools around the country now charge more than thirty
thousand dollars a year, and Christ Church is the highest
average in the country. Christ College remain the most expensive
school in the country. So that's at thirty six thousand

(05:33):
dollars a year. Just shy of that, we're boarding an
additional levies taking the total cost to nearly sixty thousand
dollars annually. So although fees are still rising, the average
increase this year was actually lower than in recent years,
suggesting schools are attempting to ease pressure on families. School
say the high price tag reflects what they offer, including
smaller class sizes, strong academic performance, modern facilities, extra curricular

(05:56):
opportunities and more personalized learning. So the Independent Schools of
New Zealand chief executive Guy Pasco, he was on with
Mike Coskin this morning when he was asked about whether
the rising costs are affecting enrollment numbers.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
Well, we still see pretty strong demand across our schools.
I mean they have around four percent of the population
go to independent schools. It's a bit higher and Aukland
at around six percent, and there was about a two
percent growth across our member schools last year. So there
is still high demand.

Speaker 8 (06:25):
And is there a direct connection or a greater connection
the more you pay, does the connection get enhanced as
to expectation around service and result or not.

Speaker 7 (06:35):
That's a difficult one for me to answer. I mean, certainly,
you know parents are choosing independent schools for a wide
range of reasons and high academic outcomes might be.

Speaker 9 (06:46):
One of those, but also.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
There's a or other range of reasons as well, so
small class sizers, or a particular curriculum or educational philosophy.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
So I guess the question is, actually I don't guess
the question is. And I know what the question is.
I'm going to ask is it worth it? Is it
worth it to pay that much money to send your
kids to school? Because thirty thousand in the year across
five years, that's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, good meth's there and you went to public.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
And there's not. Yeah, I went to the very Unsnoothy
Logan Park High School and dneeda it. Yeah, well Bogan
Park High School on Butts Road as it was it
was called in my day, proud days people that in Donedian.
Is it still referred to as Bogan Park High School?

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Surely nine two nine too, if you know it's a
good name, it's good school.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, but yeah, it's probably more than one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars once you factor and well, it's definitely
more if you go to christ College, because it's thirty
five thousand, nine hundred a year but then there's there's
a lot more expenses that can come with the school
as well.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Is it worth it? Yeah, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Does it make your kids achieve higher academically? Does it
make your kids achieve higher and sport whatever they want
to follow? Is it the connections? Because a lot of
people say that if you send your kids to a
private school, I'll make you know, they'll be hanging out
with the kid of a sea of this company. Next
thing you know, your son's the CEO of that company.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, tell us your view. I eight hundred eighty ten
and eighty. If you did send your children to private school,
was it worth it in the end, or even if
you had the money, did you think that they would
be better prepped in a public school?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Tell us your view. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is number to call. It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
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Speaker 2 (08:38):
There be so private schools around New Zealand are increasingly
becoming more expensive. There's ten schools now charging more than
thirty thousand dollars a year. But the question we've put
to you is is it still worth it at that
sort of expense to send your kids to private school?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
And if you are sending your kids to private school,
why what do you hope they'll get from there that
they won't get from public Paul, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (08:58):
Hey guys. Yeah, no, I just sort of ring and eye.
Went to a public primary, great school, intermediate, okay school,
and then when it came to secondary, just the year
before we would my parents had bought in an area
to allow me to go to a good public school,
and they moved the zone like two years before I
was due to go to college. So they had to

(09:22):
shell out the money to make sure I went to
a school. And I'm it was a long travel. It
was out to see Kent and packer AA, and the
bus would drive you to drink and if you stayed
late to play sport and you're like it's dark, you
get home and they've forgotten.

Speaker 11 (09:36):
Who you are.

Speaker 12 (09:36):
And it's long story.

Speaker 10 (09:39):
Long story short, but I did notice the difference. I
took to them a mates who didn't. They got into grammar,
which was a good school, but some of them got
into another school that was a public school in the
area and there was regular beatings. The teachers didn't seem
to give a shit excuse the French, they didn't really care.
Teachers as in Kent would be like, why haven't you
done the homework? They would actually sit you down one

(10:00):
by one constantly so you couldn't escape. And the classes
were full. There was thirty something in a class those days,
but they were They must have been paid more because
they genuinely cared. They must have been watched by the
head masters and whoever the board. There was a massive
different difference from what I was told of other public
schools for a lot of my management.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
What era was this, roughly speaking Paul uh.

Speaker 10 (10:23):
Mid seventies, seventies to late seventies, almost early eighties.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Did at that point did Saint Kent's have the ps
so you could go rowing straight out down the bottom
of the field there?

Speaker 10 (10:34):
Yeah, exactly, That's an incredible, incredible thing it was. Yeah,
so parents would give money and supply these boats. It
was a giant farm when I was there. Right now
there's just got so many sports fields, gigantic buildings everywhere.
It was quite simple. When I was there, they hadn't
spent a lot of money. But my nickname was Oars

(10:54):
because I went and rowing once, hated it so much
and never went back, and everybody called me Oars from
there to this day.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
To os didn't bother. Did you catch a crab.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
That was later in the eighteen yeah yeah obviously, yeah,
no fear.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
And what about you have you had kids?

Speaker 13 (11:13):
Paul?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yes, yeah, my daughter yet And did you see to
the bad school?

Speaker 10 (11:18):
Because yeah, well I kind of year I did. I
made sure so she was listened to go to Selwyn,
which back in the day for her was not good.
And I went to the local MP comemember's name. He
was in Iraqi there and he sat me down. I said,
what do you think my ex wife kidding her into?
So he said, you must do everything in your path
to make sure she doesn't, right, And he explained to

(11:39):
me what would happen over the first six to eight weeks,
and it was not nice. So I drove like an
idiot to Paradine and and this is November. They said, oh,
we've filled all the places. I said, but this is
my situation. She's really bright. Yeah, yeah, no, good point.
She was too tiny to do that right, And they said,
all right, come Monday, it's up to you. We've got
nine places left. We've got twenty people trying to get

(12:00):
the places. I took her for an interview of my
daughter's personality, popped out and she got in brilliant.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Now, Paul, do you think because a lot of PEOPO
will say that one of the benefits of private school
is the connections because you're hanging out worth people whose
parents and positions of power, I guess, and people that
go on to do great things. Do you think there's
there's anything in that that that the connections are with
the money?

Speaker 10 (12:23):
No, not pretty much, A big no. I mean I
got to know some mates who you wouldn't know it's
in Kent in the day. Most of them were farmer's sons,
or if they had gigantic money, you wouldn't know. They're
just the guys. One guy he said, come for a
holiday at Christmas to my parents. Farmer like, hell no,
down on Tapo. No, I'm going to both islands as girls.

(12:43):
So another mate went and he came back. I said,
how was it the farm?

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Laughing?

Speaker 10 (12:47):
He said, mate, they had helicopter's quad bike swimming pools,
it was all there and it was New Zealand's largest farm.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
But you wouldn't know that that.

Speaker 10 (12:55):
This kid, the other kid had that much money because
he didn't show that.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
So what did your parents send you to a private school?
Do you know? Did they expect outcomes or Yeah?

Speaker 10 (13:04):
Yeah, it kind of failed on that. But I mean
I did better than I would have been.

Speaker 14 (13:08):
Well.

Speaker 10 (13:08):
I mean, I've done well in life, but it's through
sheer tenacity. But my education, I came out pretty average,
just above. Academically was never really my thing. I think
I probably had learning difficulties. I don't know, but they
really helped.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah, oh, thank you so much, Paul.

Speaker 10 (13:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I mean when it comes to that educational achievements, Look,
I don't know, but I would assume most parents, if
they're looking at private school, that's the big thing that
they want out of it, right, That's why they a
lot of them struggle to try and find that thirty
thousand dollars a year to send their kids there, so
that gives them the best step up in life academically,
But whether that's really true when you look at the

(13:45):
overall statistics, I mean there is I think they did
an article about a year ago in the Herald, and
it did show on average, private schools had slightly better
academic results, but not by a massive margin. So if
that is the core reason thirty thousand dollars for a
slightly better average.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, St Andrew's College director Mark Wilson says students consistently
achieved higher qualification and grades and benefits from opportunities and
performing arts, sports, robotics. Right, debating and yes, okay, well
that's a big one. Now there's another aspect to this
as someone that went to a public school. When you're
when you're competing against a private school, you're very motivated

(14:25):
to beat the private school and then you yeah, you're
paying for this.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
It's a good moment when you take them down.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
There isn't a public school sports team that doesn't go
with particularly aiming to teach the private school kids a lesson.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Heck yeah, oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number of call? So is private school still worth it?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
In New Zealand? If you'll send your children there? Why
is the question for you? Nineteen nine two? Is the
texts twenty three past one?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Is it worth the extra cash?

Speaker 15 (14:54):
Here?

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yourself? Think it's the Mike hosting Breakfast.

Speaker 8 (14:57):
What's your assessment of the political risk of telling people
vote for me because I'm going to make it harder
for you to retire and get money.

Speaker 16 (15:04):
I thought you've got to be quite careful with that
because people need certainty going forward. You know, you could
see future government's changing threshold.

Speaker 14 (15:10):
So in other words, it's still an entitlement. You either
get it or year.

Speaker 16 (15:13):
I think so, because otherwise you get rearranging of affairs.

Speaker 8 (15:16):
Can you say it safely the selection given that New
Zealand first don't want to bar, but therefore it's not
a bottom line.

Speaker 14 (15:20):
I take it's not a bottom line for you.

Speaker 16 (15:22):
I mean we have to get into a negotiation on it.
We couldn't get it across the line in the last
coalition because we've gone to the.

Speaker 14 (15:27):
Campaign on the safely knowing it's never gotten well the
light of day.

Speaker 16 (15:30):
Well, but I think it's actually kind of important.

Speaker 8 (15:32):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Z B twenty six pas one. So our private school's
worth the extra money? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Julian, How are you mate.

Speaker 17 (15:46):
I'm really well.

Speaker 9 (15:47):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
What's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
You do you think it sets kids up for more
success in tersorary education?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Is there right?

Speaker 17 (15:55):
Yeah, it's going to make two points. Actually one is
actually really important I think for New Zealand's social cohesion,
and it's sort of not really talked about a lot,
but thirteen percent one three, So that's one in eight
students who left Saint Margaret's College, and it will be
similar with DIO and christ College and RANGUUU go to
overseas universities. So you sort of have the upper crust

(16:19):
of the upper crust, effectively opting out of what New
Zealands has to offer. Both cost that actually in Australia,
the actual I think there's domestic fees you can pay
for your New Zealand student and actually there are some
wonderful scholarship opportunities. A couple of the guys I coached Rugby,
they were doing STEM degrees. They got Rugby scholarships to

(16:41):
go to the States and because they're doing a STEM degree,
they're able to get a three year open work visa.
Had an amazing time at Washington and the University in Canada
and are now working in Silicon Valley.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
Wow.

Speaker 17 (16:52):
And so for thirty thousand dollars, that's a significant investment
and it sounds like a lot of money, but actually
for thirteen percent, and it's creeping up year on year.
There's a huge global opportunities to the independent schools open.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
As that sort of advertise with private schools, you sort
of get that mentioned that there is a pathway to
your Cambridges, your Oxford's, your Harvards, et cetera.

Speaker 17 (17:16):
Correct, and especially a lot of them opted out of
the NCAA. They do ib or they'll do Cambridge. And
why are you doing those exams? Well, it's not to
get into university around the corner with it, it's to
be globally competitive. Neighbours daughters transferring to Melbourne University. That actually,
there are global opportunities for talented young New Zealanders and

(17:39):
these independent schools work really hard to help open those
doors for them.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
So do you think those those comparable students went to
a public school then they wouldn't be on a path
at all.

Speaker 16 (17:51):
Not a chance.

Speaker 17 (17:52):
You're talking globally competitive organizations as our peaser and Tim's
data shows that we've fallen behind for generation, and so
there's a level of competitiveness to access these international opportunities
is where you need serious preparation. You need to work
really hard. Obviously Jamie Beaton done a lot of stuff with.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Crimson.

Speaker 17 (18:15):
The companies set Crimson on and you get bombarded with adverts.
So you've got a twelve year old daughter time to
start thinking about the extracurriculus their activities, getting them Harvard ready.
And of course it's a business, he's got to sell that.
But it's hugely competitive to access these places of high learning.
But I think also when when you look at price

(18:38):
the leading Australian high school public schools, the sixty thousand
Australian dollars, Yeah, if.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
You find out quite a bit more they correct.

Speaker 17 (18:46):
And so my brother pays in pounds what we do
in dollars for private school in the UK, And so
in a New Zealand context it's expensive, yeah, but globally
actually it's pretty competitive.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Mate, who's got kids over in Sydney and he said
that the private schools are expensive over there, but the
public schools are way more rubbish.

Speaker 7 (19:11):
Here.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Public schools here.

Speaker 17 (19:13):
It may well be the case, and I know there
are some, you know, there are some fantastic.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
You can tell that I went to a public school
by the way, I said, way more rubbish. That's the
kind of teaism, low vocabulary speaking that you get out
of Bogan Park underneath them.

Speaker 17 (19:27):
And I think there's that cost is you Look, many
parents were listening to this will say, hang on, I
played one hundred bucks a week for daycare. There's twenty
grand a year. And so if you're playing twenty grand
a year at daycad and you have lots of committed
teachers and they look after them as best as they
can in a constrained sector, well, for thirty grand a
year you get them not just wiping their bums and

(19:49):
singing nice nursery rhymes. You actually get them learning stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
So yeah, and some opportunities as you say, Julian, but
do you think you know for kids out there, and
clearly it's even competitive within schools themselves, very clever kids
with a lot of pressure on them to succeed academically.
If you're not top of the top of the parer academically,
do you still think it's worth it for the extra resources?
You know, you might add some talent and sport or
something else. Do you still think that thirty thousand dollars would.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Be with it?

Speaker 17 (20:14):
Oh, it's an investment, but if you know what you're
investing for. As you said, maybe you've got a talented
you know, sign who's really good at rugby. You know,
we've a coach locally at local high schools. Willie Hines
is now the head coach of Stack with Owen Franks
as the forward coach. You know, if you've got a

(20:36):
fourteen year old boys, a decent rugby player, do you
want him to be coached by Willi Hines, World Cup
finalist and one hundred and fifteen caps so many he's
got Owen Frank's or you know a local volunteer who's
doing the best at your local high school. That there's
an arms race in all parts of the educational offering,
whether it's sports. You see the incredible musical productions that
these independent schools put out each year that are spine

(20:59):
tingling in their brilliant and you have professional composers and
if you're child's a musician or drama. So there's a
whole gamut of educational importunity in that private school space,
which unfortunately is incredibly expensive and every child doesn't have
access too And I think four parents, particularly those on

(21:20):
the other end of the spectrum, who might have a
child who's struggling with dyslexia or struggling in a classroom
environment with thirty five pupils, and they might not have
a specialist math teacher or specialist chemistry teacher in the
state sector for that child just to be in a
smaller classroom in a culture which is often now majority

(21:40):
of minority. That as New Zealand's become more diverse, the
private schools have become a lot more diverse as well.
You have children from these parents from the Philippines, China, India,
South Africa, and you have this whole ecosystem with aspiration
parents who want their kids to do really well, and
then the school tries to meet each parents each parents

(22:01):
desires by supporting their children really well.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Now, I think if your called Julian, he's selling the
dream of the private schools.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
He certainly is. Do you agree with them? Wa one
hundred and eighty ten eighty because my theory.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Is, as I said before, that sending your kids to
a public school you get the microcosm of New Zealand,
so you get to experience what you're going to go
out into the world and experience.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
The real life, the real world.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
All walks of life, which is you know Julian saying
that you get a bit of that at a You
get all different kinds of people out of private school.
But I guess you get all different kinds of people
with money. Yeah, this Texas says says, so rich people
don't pay any tax, and then they think they are
too good for schools to go to the schools with

(22:42):
the rest of us. I think you'll find text to
that rich people pay most of the tax, and then
I mean it's some kind of TikTok thing that's going
on where people say that rich people in New Zealand
don't pay the tax. Must be rich people pay nearly
all the tax.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
They pay a lot of tax. And if the rich.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
People also pay all the tax and then send their
kids to a private school, then they're not troubling the
public school sector. So they're paying arguably for the public
for school twice.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
The tax is pay for the public school and then
they send their kids to private school. So if anything,
text you should be you should you should go down
to your log a private school and then wait and
then thank the parents as they're ropping their kids.

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we're talking about privates score. The costs are going up.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
There are now ten schools private schools around New Zealand
now charging more than thirty thousand dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
So is it worth it? Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is a number to call.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Tell you there's a lot of people that are spending
a lot of time on TikTok that don't understand how
the tax works in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Are they coming through on the text machine?

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Are they absolutely?

Speaker 19 (25:05):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, rich only pay nine percent tax, said of the
twenty percent the rest of us pay. I'm not going
to get to that, but do a little bit more
scratching outside of your tech TikTok feed and you'll realize
that the upper earners in our country pay for nearly everything.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Absolutely, I'll find those figures on that, but it has
bang on true. Kelly, welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
So what's your view on this. You were on a
private school board.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Is that right?

Speaker 20 (25:35):
That's right, and all four of our children went through
the private school system. But I think it's just it's
more than education, or it's more than sporting achievement, or
more than cultural achievement. It's much more holistic. A lot
of it's around values, it's around discipline, and it's around
purpose and helping each one of those students to be
the best that they can be and whatever they choose.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
So whether they have.

Speaker 20 (25:58):
A learning difficulty or whether they excel in a musical instrument,
many of the private schools are really focused on that
individual and helping them to be the the best that
they can and they've got the resources to do it.
So I guess that's where the investment goes. And if
you're in a position that you're able to do that,
it is an investment. As your previous caller was saying,

(26:20):
there's also the fallacy that it's only parents paying. In fact,
a lot of our fees were paid not by parents,
either by grandparents or maybe even community or.

Speaker 9 (26:33):
Huge scholarships and things like that.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
There's a huge scholarships.

Speaker 20 (26:36):
Yeah, absolutely, and the scholarships are intended to bring that
diversity into the schools too. So we're definitely aiming at
perhaps those students who couldn't afford to pay, particularly at
that intermediate school level, to ensure that we were offering,
you know, some of those opportunities to the least fortunate
people or the people who weren't in a position to
be able to fund it themselves.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Well, it's an interesting one, though, wasn't it, Because you
never know where your kid is going to succeed. Sometimes
it's just coming across that teacher that's that inspirational person.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
There's a little bit of luck in that.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
So I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, And that's what you're saying, that there's a
higher chance that that it's going to work out for
your kid. Not no guarantees though, Kelly.

Speaker 20 (27:20):
Well, and let's be honest, because the private schools are
paying their teachers more than the public school yeah, right,
going to attract, develop and retain higher talent pools because
of that so if you think about it, it is
a little self perpetuating that you're attracting that talent w
it then passing that gift on to the students, and

(27:41):
therefore you are increasing the chances that you're going to
have those connections with your students.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
I've heard that it's a real so I've heard it's
a real punish tho Kelly for that. It's actually quite
a lot of work for the teachers at a private
school because the expectations, the expectation from the parents are
as high, so you get a lot of a lot
more feedback.

Speaker 20 (28:00):
Community, the stakeholder community is the broadest that it will
even be. It's worse than a business and that you know,
I'm sitting.

Speaker 11 (28:09):
On the board.

Speaker 20 (28:12):
However, you know, each of each one of those people
are really vested in the outcomes of that particular child,
whether it's a stakeholder or a teacher. You know, I
just think if you're in this situation where you have
the opportunity, it is an investment.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah. I Well, thank you so much for your call, Kelly,
thank you for.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Your insight, very articulately. Put plenty of teams coming through
on nine to nine two.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
This Texas is I believe public schools deliver for the
labor government, private schools deliver for the parents. Okay, interesting, Yes,
worth it. Violence in local public school made it worth
the cost for us to go private.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
So it really happened in public school violence. You know,
I've heard about that a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I don't know in New Zealand's look, I know there's
some outlying cases, but it's not like South central LA.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean historically, I'm sure it's changed, but historically your
private schools, there was a certain amount of activity going
on there, especially in the boarding rooms. Yep, boarding, the
boarding school part of it.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yes, yeah, keep those teas coming through on nine to
two ninety two. But taking your calls, oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty, is private school still worth it?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
In New Zealand? It is eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
They be very good afternoon to you. It is a
quarter to two. We have been talking about private school.
Is it worth it when you're paying around thirty thousand
dollars per year.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
This textas says middle class New Zealand inheritance, no loter,
we have worked super hard to save to be able
to send our children to Christchitch Boarding School.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Without a doubt.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
The education opportunities they are getting surpass our as their parents'
public education. In the addition, the combine homework time in
the boarding house with their peers, and sure as they
are all in it together, working hard externally towards those opportunities.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Get a John, Now, Hey, nice to chat with you.
What's your view on this?

Speaker 21 (30:04):
I went to Nelson College.

Speaker 22 (30:07):
One of you did.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Too, That was me, John.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
When did you go?

Speaker 7 (30:09):
John?

Speaker 11 (30:11):
Nine?

Speaker 21 (30:11):
Sixty nine?

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Must have just mischief? I was a bit later than you, John.
But there was a good college, wasn't it public? Of
course there was a public.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
It was a public school.

Speaker 23 (30:22):
But I went to boarding school.

Speaker 9 (30:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
What house were you in?

Speaker 21 (30:27):
Fell house?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yep, foul smells, that's what they used to say, John, Yeah,
up the top. Yes, No, it was a good boarding house.
And it was an interesting thing about Thank you very
much for your call there, John. Interesting thing about Nelson
College is that they've got a prep school that costs
about twelve thousand dollars to go to the prep school
eleven to twelve, and then you make the jump into
what is effectively a state school with a boarding house.

(30:50):
But I think that was by the very nature Nelson
didn't really have any private schools available.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
But thank you very much for your call. Get a Scott.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Oh, hello, Scott, how are you hello?

Speaker 24 (31:01):
How are you doing? Yeah, my daughter has gone through
We'll spent two years at public school and then when
she was able, we send her through private.

Speaker 22 (31:10):
We sent her to King's.

Speaker 24 (31:11):
College and it was worth every cent. It's given her
opportunities that she she would never have got, and it's
enabled her to move overseas or go overseas and study
in the US at university.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, I mean, how long is Helen has King's been
co ed?

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Scott?

Speaker 12 (31:35):
Actually, it's.

Speaker 24 (31:38):
Don't quite be honest, it's been a long time. But
they can only go from I'm going to say, from
fifth form, which is I'm old school. So fifth form,
which is what year in or eleven? I think yeah,
I think it's a year eleven, which is yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
And so what what school was she before she went.

Speaker 24 (31:54):
To Kings She went to Botany College, right, so she
went to public school and when she was able to.
My wife went through private school, and she sees the
benefit of it. I'm a dirty trade and I went
through public school. But we've done well. My siblings have

(32:14):
all done well, and they're high up in business as well.
So I don't see. But what I saw as the
benefits that go into the private school gave her. And
it is the context, and it is some of the
opportunities that she may not see and have seen in public.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah, did you take her friends? Or do friends go
to Kings along with her? From Botany? Or is that
that a no go?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Because that's hard for some kids, right If they've got
the opportunity to go to a private but their friends
can't follow them, that can be tough.

Speaker 23 (32:45):
It was she.

Speaker 24 (32:46):
I guess she's lucky. She's the sort of kid that
makes friends easy. And she went. She did know some
people there that she that were already there, but and
she once she got in there, she was found a
feat and off she went.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yep, thank you very much. Scott.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Sounds like it's worked out very well for your daughter,
So hats off to you. Are you like Scott?

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I won one hundred and eighteen eighty that it's important
for your kids to go to a private school.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Sounds like private schools are good for parents to dine
out and talk about my times. Three have done public
schools and all brilliant. One finished Union in Lancaster. Well,
the other two also completed UNI here. It's the home
environment that helps, not the private schools, you see. That's
I think that's a big part of it.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
The home environment is going to be a huge part
of whether you succeed at school or not.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Here because you're at school for what six hours, and
you're at home for a lot longer than that. But yeah,
the habits and the way that you learn has passed
on by who your parents are or who your caregiver is.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, it's a huge thing.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
And I think if you went to private school, even
though there's a lot of you know, previous school went
to public school but sent the kids to private school.
I never even considered private school for my kids because
I went to public school. So it was just like
your kids go to the school that they're zoned for. Yeah,
it just how happened that my kids are in zone
for a great school. Yeah, so maybe that's maybe that's
why I didn't worry about it. But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
So the cost didn't even come into it. You just
didn't think, Hey, we're in zone. It's a pretty decent
state school. Yeah, your kids are happy to go there,
and we're going to go send you there, and we've
got no problem with it.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah, I pad a lot of tax. I wanted some
of it back.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
If you're enough to already paying for that public school,
you certainly are. I'm paying for that public school with
my tax and I'm going to use it.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Thank you for your service. I had one hundred eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Good on those people that are paying thirty thousand dollars
and not troubling the education budget.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Helping the country out. Oh one hundred eighty ten Eighty's
number to call it is tender too.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Mad Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on, Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams.
Afternoons news talks, b.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
News talks there be it is eight to two. Get
a Alex. How you doing?

Speaker 23 (34:49):
Hi?

Speaker 6 (34:50):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Now which he could go, what's your story?

Speaker 22 (34:53):
I went to both public and private school.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
Is it worth it?

Speaker 22 (34:58):
Only if your kid knows what they want to do.
There's a lot of opportunities in private school. But if
your kid, like for me example, I went in there
didn't know what I wanted to do, left I still
know what I want to do. So it depends on
the parents and the kid itself. If they're driven, then
private school helped them a lot because a lot more opportunities.

(35:19):
I've seen a lot of nippotism and stuff like that
in private school, but it normally stems from family connections,
as opposed to my friend. My friend's dad owns this
business ogres for him.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah sure, so, I mean when it comes to that,
nepotism is that people putting more pressure on on the
teachers or the board members because they know them.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Is that what you're talking about?

Speaker 22 (35:42):
Yet? A little bit of it. People donate to schools,
get their names put on walls and things like that.
But I have friends who straight out of high school,
they work for the dad's business. They've got apartments, they've
got everything sorted out for them already. But yeah, it's
it works. It works both ways. You get to make

(36:03):
good connections. There's good discipline in private schools. When I
went to public school in New Zealand. You get kids
that are trouble makers. They drag the rest of the
class down, and then everyone's dilecting a clown. And it's
really hard to learn an environment where everyone's just cluning.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Around what happens to a clown. At a private school, they.

Speaker 22 (36:21):
Get disciplined, right, so set out of the class. There's
a strict discipline. But when I went to public school,
they just get yelled at and there's yelling going back
and forth. Yeah, they might get still a class, but
there's a whole lot of yelling. Yeah, whereas in private
school it's I mean, you got your privilege. You know,
your parents are spinning a home. When you send you there.
That s nailed into your head. So when you mess up,
it's a bigger deal because your parents are going to

(36:42):
find out.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I think if you call Alex, I think there's a
lot in that appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Of course.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Famously, Kiaran Reid, it's all black captain. He went to
Roseall College and then I believe he got a you know,
because he was a talented rugby player, he got the
opportunity to go to Saint Kinnigan's College. Yep, didn't like
it went back to rosel College and.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Look at him. Now, yeah, look what he's done.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
So you know there was a path to pathways to
success through public schools, that's for sure. I got I say,
my kids have been through public schools and I thought
they were all bloody brilliant schools.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
I've done very no complaints at all. Yeah, you know,
And look, it would seem that the people that who
send their kids to private schools, just judging by the
text and calls, rate the outcomes. Of course, if you
spend one hundred and fifty k on your kids' education
through high school, you would hope so, wouldn't you. Yeah,
you'd hope it's better for one hundred and fifty k.
There would be no point a big investment for me.
I just wanted my kids in the public school because

(37:37):
it seemed like a microcosm of New Zealand society. And
I wanted my kids to experience that because that's what
they'll experience post school. Right, Yes, a microcosm people from
all walks of life. But one thing is for sure,
this will be controversial. One thing is for sure. We
should all be grateful for those who stump up for
private schools. They pay the tax to cover the public
schools while not putting not using them.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Right, yep, so good on years you're in a position
to do that, well done.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Very generous of you to send your kids to private schools.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yep, good on you. Great new zal not just for
your kids but for all of us. Yeah, nicely said mate.
Great discussion.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
By the way, thank you very much to everyone who
called in text on that. Coming up after two o'clock,
a woman in Auckland has got in trouble because she
had sixteen shipping containers hoarded on her property. But the
bigger question we've got for you is what responsibility do
you have to make sure your property is somewhat tidy?

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, it's my property.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
What's sixteen humiliating shipping cracks on one property?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
If I want to, I'd love to see you do that, mate. Oh,
one hundred and eighty is that number to call? Nine
two niney two is the text? New Sport and weather
is fast approaching your listening to Matt and Tyler on
your Monday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Great to have your company. Stay right here. We'll be
back soon.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Talking with you all afternoon. That Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
news talks.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
They'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program.
It is seven past two. Great to have your company.
So let's get into this story today about a woman
who a massed sixteen shipping containers on her residential property.
Her name is Sapaya Ahmed, and she said she planned
to build a house consisting of twenty four shipping containers

(39:31):
on the property that she owned in among Andy. So
she took own ownership of the five thousand meter square
property in twenty sixteen. It is owned residential and got
into trouble or a little bit of trouble with the
local council of the Auckland City Council. Of course, after
a council officer investigating and found that she had these
shipping containers. Under the rules, you're allowed to have those

(39:53):
shipping containers on your property for no more than twelve
months one year after that then you need consent. So
the neighbor's got a bit grumpy.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
They said it was an I sore and then got
the council involved and took it to court.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Wore twenty four container shipping container? How be like it'd
be massive, wouldn't it that's a huge house. Because you know,
you always mentioned shipping containers being sort of more of
the tiny house type situation. But she's trying to make
a giant tiny house.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
It's a mansion, a shipping container mansion.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
And so she only got sixteen of them, so she
didn't give the full twenty four and now she's been
shut down. Yeah, it's an interesting one because if she
wants to put twenty four shipping containers on her property
while she decides whether to turn them into a house
or night, isn't that her business? If she's paying her
rates and owns the property. What's it got to do
with the councilor why do they care?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I mean, if it's not impeding people's view, I would
agree with you that. I'm looking at the photos here.
They're all laid down individually, so she hasn't stacked them
on top of each other in some sort of giant
shipping container tower. Then I say, look, I think it
is a little bit unsightly, but why would I care.
If I'm a neighbor there, I might grumble to whoever
I can in the neighbor and said that lady needs
to sort of beep out. But I'm not going to say, hey,

(41:04):
let's call the council and get her shut down. Yeah,
I mean people can be grubbed if they want.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
What is the logic on that? Is that around lowering
the house value of people nearby? Is that why you
care about it? Because if you can't expect to walk
around in your day to day and not see anything
horrifically ugly. I mean a lot of the buildings around
town are horrible, a lot of you know. You just
I was driving down K Road the other day and
I saw something like a human being I didn't really

(41:29):
want to look at. They were disgusting. He had no
clothes on. Yeah, so not that I mean, often people
with no clothes on aren't disgusting, but this particular person was.
You see what I'm saying, Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Can you?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Is it fair to legislate against things just because they
look bad?

Speaker 22 (41:46):
Well?

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Where do you draw the line?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Because this woman in particular had shipping containers and there
was some sort of by law in place. But what
about people who have a rusted old Datson in their
front yard? You know, people would walk past and say,
oh cheap as look at this, You've got rusted out
cars in your front yard. But isn't that your prerogative
if that you own the property. Yes, your neighbors might
be a bit grumpy that it's it's unkempt and it's

(42:08):
looking a bit rubbish, particularly in the nice neighborhoods.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
But where's that I mean?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Isn't that part of freedom that we have here that
you own the property. If you want to be a grub,
you will be judged for it. Your neighbors will probably
hate you. But if you're okay with that, then go
for gold.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Who's to say that containers are ugly? Or let's say,
you know you have you know, in my neighborhood, there's
a there's a house, you know, about five or six
houses from my house that's got a whole heap of
abandoned sort of vehicles.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Well, when I say a bandon, you get the feeling
that the dude has got some plans for them, he's
a tinkerer. But there's now those plans of where there's
a lot of grass going through them now, so you know,
whatever plans they were, they're being put off.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
So you know, you have piles of piles of scrap
metal on some properties, right Yeah, container stacks in this
one you've got you know what about broken down buildings,
you know when the roof's fallen in and a lot
of people start projects and don't finish them. Yeah, I
mean it is interesting that that's that's an issue.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, what do you say about this? I W one
hundred eighty ten eighty. So when it comes to your
own property, I mean, do you think you have a
responsibility to keep your property somewhat tidy for the good
of the neighborhood? Nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Have you got a neighbor that's got just an absolute
I saw going on to the point where you feel
like you need to do something about it? Or have
you got something going on that your neighbors are claiming?
And I saw that you think as sweet as you
just just about to get around to, you know, yeah,
doing up that vehicle?

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Tell us one hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is
that number to call it as eleven past.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Two your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Fourteen past two.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
So we have been talking about the story about a
woman who got into trouble for having too many shipping
containers on her property. She got shut down because neighbors complained. So,
if you've had a neighbor or someone in your neighborhood
with an untidy property, rusted off cars in the front yard,
what did you do about it? Clearly there are some
bylaws in place in various parts of the country. So
tell us O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

(44:17):
if you had a neighbor with an untidy property, how
did you solve that problem? Nine two ninety two is
the text number as well. Plenty of texts coming through.
This one says giday, guys sixteen shipping containers over the
top the domestic. If she gets away with it, you
will see a lot of commercial sites shut down.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
They will pop up everywhere. That's from Baldric.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Craig says, hey, guys, welcome back. Thanks Craig, great to
be back. My philosophy is do what you like with
your property, but the incident affects my property's value or
ability to sell it, or causes other issues, and I
expect you to sort it out or the council to
step in. Yes, so does your neighbor have to worry

(44:58):
about the value of your property.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
That's interesting because I'm sitting here thinking if there was
someone down the end of the street, on the street
that I live in, with our property down in Christy,
you wouldn't care, you know, do what you like.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
I couldn't care less. But if they were right next door.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
To me and I'm looking to sell my property, I
would be aggrieved, I'd say, And I don't know what
i'd do.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
What I call the council. Probably not.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I'd probably go knock on the door and say, hey,
can we work out something here. But that's a fair
point because if you've got your property on your market,
an old mate next year has got sixteen shipping containers
and people come and say, hey, love the house, but
I can't live next to this.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Well, well, i'd love to hear the you know, from
a real estate agent. How much does sixteen shipping crates
on your property, shipping containers on your property change the
value of the house. Yeah, I mean I don't know
if i'd care. Yeah, the text says it's your job
to make your house presentable. Cannot believe you support these
pigs with their horrible houses. Okay, let me just ask

(45:54):
them the question. I mean, as the lady a pig
because she's got sixteen shipping containers.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
She's odd.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Look, that's odd. Yeah, there seems like there's something more
going on, because she did she have the the plan
for this twenty four container house.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I don't think she did.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
I mean, because she seems she's had very specific number.
She says she needed twenty four. So has she had
the designs? Has she got the consent underwear with the
council for this?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Highly unlikely? I mean the article doesn't mention any sort
of plans or architectural plans going on.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
It's not an inland container terminal, says this text. It's
a residential block and should be adhere to the laws,
which are sometimes an ass I think she has a
problems perhaps list Yeah, in terms of if she's got
a problem, she's just collecting shipping containers. You know, I
collect watches. Yeah, that's manageable, although it's getting out of
getting is getting out of controller. But for the neighbors

(46:52):
can't see my watches.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, her and draws I AD one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
So if you've had a problem with a neighbor, who
had an unsightly property, always having an impact on your
own valuation to your property.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Can you hear how you resolve that? What do you do?
I'll adde hundred eighty ten eighties number to call.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
If for neighboring houses vermin, then it could pose a
risk of your health. Also, odor can be pretty horrible.
Our neighbor had old wet mattress a step duck against
the fence that smelt awful. Yeah, I see what you're
saying there. If you're if you're running such a filthy
operation in your house that there's rats everywhere, then that
is effected because those rats are Yeah. I mean if

(47:28):
it's if it's just the eyeballs, if it's just offensive
to the eyeballs, then I have less symphony sympathy than
if it stinks or there's just rats everywhere, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Know, or it's dangerous you know, yeah, if it's going
to fall over.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
So if you've had to have a chat with your
neighbor about rusted cars in the and the front yard
or the state of the property, tell us your story. Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Nine two ninety two is the text?

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Or conversely, you've got a snooty neighbor that has decided
that your house isn't up to scratch and is giving
you crap for it. Yeah, oh wait one hundred eighty
ten eighty eighteen past.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Two, Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on yous talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
It is twenty past two.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
So how much responsibility do you have to keep your
house somewhat tidy for the betterment of your neighborhood? I
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty after a woman got
into a bit of trouble for having up to sixteen
shipping containers on her property in Mangoday.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
There's a bunch of people that are texting through and
saying that their neighbors are running such terrible operation that
there's vermin everywhere. This is a text that's got a
different opinion. Okay, why do we hate rats so much?
If they had cute, fluffy tails, we would love them
like squirrels. But I think we hate There's a couple
of reasons why we hate rat so much. First, firstly,

(48:52):
I think we haven't.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Forgiven them for the bubonic play.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
And secondly, I'm in a situation at the moment at
my house where I've just moved into a new house
and we pulled the kitchen out and I don't know
at what point in history because the wiring was quite old,
but rats had been eating at the wiring.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Dirty buggers, they choose through anything.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Yeah, so rats are I mean, the rats still spread disease.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
I think we've got one at the moment, don't we.
The old hunter virus outbreak on that cruise ship. I
think that has been caused by rat and mice droppings, right,
So there you go. They're still spreading so red flakes.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
You know, it's not just their horrible tail that's the problem.
I think it's their gnawing teeth. You know, no one
wants a rats nest in their house.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
No disease ridden. I don't know O one hundred and
eighty ten eighties and number to call a couple of
texts coming through here.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
It's more likely she was hiring out those as storage
containers and using the house story as of Guys, I'm
just looking at the picture here of this this situation,
and I can't see they just look, to be honest,
looking at the picture of the situation, they just look
like a bunch of rubbish containers on a on the hill. Yeah,

(50:04):
I don't know who would. I don't know. I mean,
I'm not going to around to that place like it's
National Mini Storage and say and put my stuff in
any of those containers.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Doesn't look that secure, and I don't know if my
furniture would last that long in some of those shipping containers.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Keep those things coming through on nine to nine two.
But on the question of what responsibility you've got to
keep your house tidy for the betterment of the neighborhood,
I mean, it's a one that I'm kind of struggling
to get my head around. Is that I think you
should have a bit of freedom with what you're doing
your property. But we all know those neighbors who you know,
they let their property get a little bit out of control,
whether the boom has been overgrowing or the grass is overgrowing.

(50:43):
So how do you have I mean, it's okay, and
there's actually someone down the street from us, and we're renting,
so it's not a big deal that if I own
the house, but I still every time I walk past,
I look at their berms, and I look at their
front garden, and in my head I'm judging and think,
come on, you've.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Got to sort this out.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
There's no doubt. If you're not looking after your berm,
you're a loser. That's I mean, you're lame. Yeah, you
should be ashamed of yourself if you can't even muster
up to look after your burns.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
A bit of community pride, yeah, I know you love
your boom.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
I love my bim. But that's another thing. Is so
I reckon my house looks pretty good, but I'm quite
house proud. So is that just some kind of vanity
project as one of the reasons why you know you?
Is it not the people that have the crap all
over their lawns? Are they not the problem? Is it
more people like me that I know?

Speaker 22 (51:34):
Do?

Speaker 4 (51:34):
I just want some credit from people walking their dogs
to walk plast and go, oh that's a nice house. Yeah,
I mean, does that make me any better?

Speaker 3 (51:40):
I think it is? Is that collective? Because at some
point I feel that collective community shame, that maybe people
are judging me for the state of my lawn. So
I get out there and do that. So maybe that
is just cow towwing to societal pressure.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
The Stexter says, if she was on the north shore
of Auckland, she wouldn't have had got to five five
containers before a complaint made, No way, she would have
got to two. She got to sixteen containers because she's
all the way out there. There's enough containers around to
load a cargo ship. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some

(52:16):
suburbs that will come at you a lot quicker than others.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, I mean, just just in regards to that text,
looking at these pictures, yes, it's out in South Auckland,
and people may you know, have some judgment about that,
but it is a fairly rural looking property. I mean,
it is zoned residential, but it is in the middle
of a big paddock. It's not in front of anyone's
particular view. So again, you know, regardless of what she

(52:40):
was doing with these shipping containers, I kind of think
it's not really affecting anybody, And for the council to
come down heavy handed on.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
This particular woman, I just think it's a little bit much.
But what do you say, Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
According to the article, the lady had illegal unconsented earthworks
that could affect the neighbors. She continued after the stop notice.
She also used property to store diggers and earthwork equipment. Yeah, yes, yeah,
as pointed out at the start, Yes, but the wider
question is how much, say, should people have on what's
on your property?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah, this texter says, Get a guys. I've had a
couple of people knock on my doors asking me to
get rid of the various vehicles that I've got in
the front of my yard. I tell them all the
same thing. It is my property. It's not against any
council by law or against the law, So who are
they to judge what I can have on my property.
I am not the most loved in the neighborhood, but

(53:29):
I don't care. My boom looks great. I've just got
a couple of old cars in the front front lawn.
And as you say, Matt, I had big plans for
those that have fallen by the wayside. But I will
get to it soon. Keep up the great work that's
from Scotty and this one here. Imagine having no shame
and weed eating kapoom loll. Keep those texts covered through

(53:51):
on nine to ninety two, and taking your calls.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Of course on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
If you've had a bit of a falling out with
a neighbor who had an unsightly property next door, keen
to hear your story. It is twenty seven past two
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(55:30):
Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Thank you very much, Rayleen.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
So at what point if you've got a neighbor who's
got a trashy property, do you actually say something can
get the council involved. This is after a woman had
sixteen shipping containers on her property in South Auckland and
got shut down because neighbors went heavy.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
She was only she was so close, she was only
eight away from her dream amount of shipping containers to
build her dream house and it was crushed. Well, she
would have been crushed if she'd built that house.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Something.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Gregg, welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (55:58):
You get guys. Look I've just while I was waiting,
just googled huge container houses. The biggest the biggest flash
is when I could find at twelve overlooking the lake,
multimillion dollar home and twenty four. I think she's got
an a show.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yeah. Do you think she's hoarding containers? Do somehow various
going on? There is here something else going on in
the story.

Speaker 21 (56:26):
Nah, I think she's just got the stream. She's probably
sketched out a house or twenty four containers on it,
but don't look like forty four containers either. I think
you're twenty four, which you just wouldn't do on a
bit of a builder, So you'd at least start with
forty four containers, you know, if you've got half the Yeah,
I just think she's just just might be a semis
short of a picnic without.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
It's like if you were if you were, you know,
doing amateur architecture then just drawing a picture that is
twenty four containers making a house. How advanced her plans
actually are?

Speaker 21 (56:57):
Yeah, imagine the work. You know, most most big container
houses have two rows and then they have a big
roof that's built over the top of them, et cetera,
et cetera. You know, is as.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
A bolder There are the other advantages of using containers,
drastic advantages of using a building a large container house.
Wouldn't you just be doing that as there's some kind
of I don't know, grand designs kind of statement.

Speaker 21 (57:25):
Look, I haven't, I haven't. I don't know exactly, but
I suspect because you're instantly got a structure, you know.
So yeah, I could see betches and things quite quickly
being put up, just containing houses either side on the roof,
tilt in the middle, and I could see advantages in that.
But you still got to insulate the containers, which isn't
that easy, you know. And then by the time your

(57:45):
heck out windows and the steel and well, how I
worked in bed, I wouldn't have a clue, to be honest,
just real quick. I live in and quite an affluent
suburb mixed to US and Woburn. Then there's this house
I don't know where the guy has just moved them,
but there's a different pile of rubbish building up on
the front. And it's when when does it become an

(58:06):
issue for the neighbors? And it's such a gray areas.
It become an issue when someone complains or you know,
a real real problem. And I'm surprised missus Mangle down
the road hasn't already sort of knocked on the door
and said, what the hell's going on? Because it's I
think it's growing by the day. So it'll be interesting
to see when it gets acted on. We know, when
you've got to take all the shovels away. There's all

(58:28):
sorts of stuffy already.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
I can start.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
You know. I think for some people that there's when
their neighbors are committing what they consider to be crimes,
they start to obsess over it. You know, the missus
mangle looking over the fence, looking through the Venetian blinds,
just obsessing about what your neighbors are doing.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
It can happen, absolutely. I'm sure there's one in every
street to be honest.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Yeah, you know, what are they doing? Why are they?
How dare they?

Speaker 25 (58:51):
You know?

Speaker 4 (58:51):
This is thanks for quin you need.

Speaker 21 (58:54):
It was just just buying the ghetto and then you
don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Yeah, that's right, it's your lower your expectations. Yeah, thanks
for your cool.

Speaker 22 (59:00):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty, Have you got
something going on in your neighborhood?

Speaker 4 (59:04):
The six is had a neighborhood came around and said
they were going to the council over the broke and
down cars on our front lawn. We have four kids
between sixteen and twenty three living at our house. Those
shitty cars, we're not abandoned. They're my kids cars. I
found this amusing.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Oh there's awkward, Sue. You are pro shipping the container, lady.

Speaker 11 (59:23):
I think it's fantastic. I think she's very smart. I
think it's very creative. She's in a rural area and
she's in a homeless area. We don't know she might
be turning it into a little community. We don't know
who she's going to house there. If she houses twelve
people that haven't got homes and their own containers, know

(59:44):
whether they're insulated or not. I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Do you think do you think it's creation? Do you
think do you think a shipping container that hasn't had
anything done to it is it would be a good
house for someone?

Speaker 11 (59:58):
Well, it's really living on the streets. You know our
past people all the time, and Papakura are homeless, are
huge and if any of them were offered a container
to live and they'd be the moon.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Do you think.

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
Do you think that's absolutely?

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Do you think if you dumped the container in that
area and wrote home, sweet home on it, then people
would move into it?

Speaker 11 (01:00:19):
Absolutely?

Speaker 17 (01:00:20):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
You can make it right.

Speaker 11 (01:00:21):
They live in little hallways of the shops, they live
in the little arcade. They you know, they live on
park benches, they live on street benches where you know,
got plenty of them. And this lady, you know, she's
creating something. I think the council should butt out, let
her do it. And you do see what happens. But
in New Zealand, you know, we're not used to living

(01:00:43):
like communities. But overseas they do. Look in the Islands,
look at all their little houses. Look in the philip
Look in the Philippines, all those little houses. Look in
other countries, you know. And so if she's building a
little community of houses, I think it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
You should say that too, because I was talking to
my uber driver the other day and he grew up
in rural Fiji, and he said that they just lived
in a community with all his cousins and and white
a family quite rurally in Fiji, and they lived in shacks.
And I said, what was what was your childhood like,
and he said it was amazing. It was the happiest
you could possibly imagine. We were running around, there was

(01:01:20):
fruit everywhere to eat. We didn't have shoes. He you know,
he was a sort of older gentleman. I'm not sure
if that's still going on, but he he raved about
his his his upbringing and what would be considered very
primitive housing just because he was the amount of basically
he was pro how many cousins he had a round hangout?

Speaker 11 (01:01:40):
Yeah, why should we be so separated and you know,
or having our own homes. You look in Europe, in Germany,
you know, they went for the rest of their lives
and they have the grandparents and one for the great
grandparents and them.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Yeah another.

Speaker 11 (01:01:55):
But in New Zealand it just seems to be going
to have.

Speaker 9 (01:01:57):
Your own little parent.

Speaker 11 (01:01:57):
Yeah knock a lady that's trying to put some well, sorry,
was all mark for her creativity, and I think the
council should let it go and see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
On you so oh, we said that simultaneously. That's embarrassing, Tyler,
that is embarrassing. Let's never do that again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
But the old shipping shipping commune out in South Auckland soon.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
For there is a thing that is that we are
doing in modern life, which is we move into houses,
then we miles away from our friends and family, and
then we put a big fence around it, and then
we sit inside it and wonder why we're lonely and
our mental health is deteriorating when we are actually evolved
to spend our time around you know, immediate family, wider family, friends, everything,

(01:02:44):
you know. Would we be happier if we all just
put twenty four shipping containers in a circle and then
invited out all our friends and family to live together.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Babe, it's worth a shot, put a brazier in the
middle and go for it. Sounds like a good life.
What do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? It is twenty three
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Call eight us talk said it is twenty to three.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
So how much freedom should you have to put whatever
you want on your property? After this lady in South
Auckland got into a bit of strife for having sixteen
shipping containers.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
A bit of pushback on Sue's opinion that this woman
might be creating some kind of beautiful utopian society with
her shipping containers where everyone could live in them. Sue
once a ghetto in her neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yeah, says great.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Yeah, she was sort of describing for valor, wasn't she.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
She was when her examples are Manila, the Philippines, And
then did she put Columbia in the mix there? She
might have.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
No, but when you start living in shipping containers, yeah,
it's maybe a lower stand of living than we want.
I'm also not convinced that you could just drop a
couple of shipping containers near some homeless people and that
they suddenly have a home. I think you're right, mate,
I think there's other problems going on there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yeah, I think you're spot on. I don't know that
would solve it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
But Sue seemed like a very, very very lovely person.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
She certainly did. Jim, you reckon this. This lady is
taking the.

Speaker 26 (01:04:15):
Mick of course.

Speaker 23 (01:04:17):
Yes, yes, she was just earning some money. It's like
everyone should be allowed to, but there rules and regulations
we all have to buy them.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Reckon she was doing with those shipping containers to earn money.

Speaker 23 (01:04:29):
Jim, Well, well, apparently there were trucks going in and out.
I suppose my restoring trucks.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Have you you think that's you think that's twenty four
container Paradise mentioned that she was going to build. You
think that was never there was never really a thing.

Speaker 23 (01:04:50):
Well more apparently if I read the article right, or
been sold, it's been.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Sold the property. Yeah, yeah, yeah, correat, yeah you got
rid of it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
So but how much, say let's let's let's.

Speaker 23 (01:05:04):
She would she would, she would be making Deodley squat.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Yeah, but what do you reckon? What do you reckon
about your rights over your neighbors? Just to sort of
move it out to a wider talking point Jim, as
we sometimes like to do on Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons on news talks, he'd be, what what rights do
you think that you should have as a neighbor in
terms of what kind of crap people are piling up
in the yards and such.

Speaker 23 (01:05:29):
Oh geez, now you're talking. I've got a pretty reasonable
sight in the middle of Avondale, or not in the
middle of it, just by the water and the stuff.
I'd like to do, but I don't do it because
who wants to spend money later on to go. Oh,

(01:05:51):
I can't do that. I just wait for the water
floods and then I put boats in the backyard. But
if everyone's got a right to do, what if they like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Really, what a benef it's what a benefit to below
the law? Yeah? What about if it's attracting vermin?

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Jim?

Speaker 23 (01:06:13):
No, no, why no? Okay, oh, totally, totally.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Totally, although some people would argue that just growing for
joa trees as attractive vermin.

Speaker 23 (01:06:25):
Of course.

Speaker 9 (01:06:25):
Well yeah, thank you, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Yeah, thank you, you called Jim. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Yeah, thank you very much. Cynthia, you've got some problems
with your next door neighbors.

Speaker 27 (01:06:35):
Oh years ago, I was letting overseas and the neighbors
next door had quite a few rusty rundown vehicles in
the front yard. So I would go out my back
door and there would be snakes lying on the concrete
and I would scare them away and the scuttle back

(01:06:55):
next door. So I rang the council to see what
could happen. He said, sorry, the snakes are protected. We
can't do anything.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Whereabouts with Cynthia. Sorry, I just missed that.

Speaker 9 (01:07:06):
It's start in Brisbane.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Brisbane are they buy these snakes?

Speaker 15 (01:07:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:07:11):
Bye the snakes, yeah, poisonous. Very from the council said
to me, however, if you happen to see any rats,
bring me back and let me know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
So, they weren't happy with the rats, but the snakes
they protected.

Speaker 27 (01:07:25):
Can'tations protectors couldn't do anything. So I waited about five days,
rang back and sure enough the cars were moved on.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
What like?

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
So hang on a minute. You rang back in five days.

Speaker 27 (01:07:38):
And said, I've seen rats.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
You've seen rats, right? I see. Well, it's interesting the
animals that we're willing to protect. Like if if snakes
venomous and willing to bite us, why are we so
keen to protect it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
So reckon?

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
I mean, this is it's an Australian issue. We don't
have a lot of here.

Speaker 27 (01:07:57):
That's why I'm happy to live here.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
Yeah, yeah, good on your symphony. Thank you symphony, Cynthia,
thank you for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
A couple of seats coming through A nine to nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
Hired. Those people who propped their old half fallen over
fences with war retar fence posts should be first on
the list for prosecution. Just low as the the value
big day so that's a reference to what I was
talking about Friday last week. Yes, around my fence being
sort of blown down in a storm. So I went

(01:08:30):
out with a couple of warritars, banged them in and
held the fence up and got a four page legal
letter from my neighbor instead of asking me, you know,
it's a shared a shared fence, yes, down a driveway
miles away from their house. Whatever. But anyway, I solved
that problem, Okay, I just took the warritars out so
the fence was falling down nice and put some I

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went to hardware store and bought some danger stickers and
you know, danger tape and put some danger taper.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
A right, you haven't heard from them not so far. Yeah, yeah,
battle sholl Yeah, keep those calls coming through it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I went one hundred and eighty ten eighty. So if
you've had a problem with a missy neighbor, what happened
in the end, how did you resolve it? And when
it comes to this late lady having the sixteen shipping
containers on her property, is there anything really wrong with that?

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Nothing wrong with containers, guys. Look at the complex motel
in Fakatana, that's from Pauline.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
I will, we'll check that out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Is there a container hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
First, I've heard about it, but we'll google that and
check it out, all right. I keep those calls coming through. Oh,
one hundred and eighty, ten eighty. It is fourteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons NEWSTALKSBB.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
News talks thereb it is eleven two three.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
So someone text it through. There's nothing wrong with container constructions.
Take a look at the complex hotel motel which is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
In Where is that?

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
I'm just trying to I'm looking at it here. I've
got the virtual tour on and is that made out
of containers?

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
It looks kind of like it is.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
But they say the room seem too big to be
made out of I need more information of that. Does
it just look like they're made out of containers? Because
it says that it's the oldest and newest motel in Fakatana. Yeah,
but just virtual look around they've got here. But as
as a scintillating radio as I walk around a virtual
tour of a motel in Fukatana. But it kind of

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looks like it's made out of containers, but not really.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Whether that's just an esthetics situation.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
But yeah, of the old hotels, bloody beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
It is a flesh looking complex. But whether it is
actually shipping containers, I don't know if anyone's actually built
a home out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Of shipping containers. Love to hear from you. On one
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
The Sexer says, Hi, guys. On a slightly different note,
container houses promoted as easy, little small house projects, but
it's a fallacy. Their expenses have been difficult to make
into a decent dwelling and horribly poky.

Speaker 21 (01:10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
I mean you can't, just, as su said, just drop
one and go and live in it. You've got it's
got to be for people to live in it, right,
There's a lot of stuff that's going to hap tap
in their insulation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, a lot of work needed. Yeah, you can't just
cut it open and put them on top of each other.
A couple more teachs coming through on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Hopefully we'll see this in the next season of Grand
Designs New Zealand. If not, maybe Neighbors at War.

Speaker 24 (01:11:23):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Neighbors of War was a great television.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
That was a great show.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
This one says, guys, as a small block owner who
dreads the thought of neighbors, I've made it quite clear
that I'd go full crazy chicken lady driving my quad
to my top haddock, topless, with a shotgun on my back,
quite possibly crowing if anyone put shipping containers next door
to my house. Okay, that's quite there's quite a lot
of passion.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
There were topless on a tractor with a shotgun.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Did you say yes? Let me just find it here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
As a small block owner who dreads the thought thought
of neighbors, if I had that, I'd made it quite
clear that I'd go full crazy chicken lady driving my
quad to my top haddock, topless with a shotgun on
my back, quite possibly crowing rights topless.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
But it doesn't sound so bad. The Stexas says she
hasn't killed anyone or committed any viece. Leave her alone, okay,
And this one says, ye, fair enough to and she
hasn't killed anyone. She has sixteen shipping containers on her
property with a dream to get twenty four and turn

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them into a house, but that's been scuttled. Yes, she's
been up to some other legal earthworks apparently.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
But you're right, she hasn't killed anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
But I was a talk of violence. But I think
there's a.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Good chance if she got a dream of the twenty
four container house and someone might get killed in it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Yeah, yeah, highly likely.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
It feels like the kind of thing that would fall down.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
And this is nice one good a guys. People have
no pride in their homes these days. It's such a shame.
We look after our yard, property, etc. And have tenants
all around us with absolute crap piling up. The house
opposite us is owned by a fruit loop. He's painted
half of his brick house, half of the roof, and
now he's moved on to painting the triplay, always doing something,

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not achieving anything. The house near to us just the same,
but hoarding crap. It's everywhere, including stray cats. That's a problem.
It bloody stinks if we were to sell these homes
will devalue our property. Tempted to call the council, but
don't want to sound like the snob. Not sure what's
within our rights.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
Yeah, I'm just wondering if the horror show that your
neighbor's house lowering the property of your house, whether that
is your neighbor's. I mean, does your neighbor have to
worry about your property value? Don't they have to just
worry about what they want to do within the council's rules.
I mean, I think there are some rules around. It

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gets pretty complicated, But I think councils don't like piles
of scrap.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
They don't like.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Visible junk storage. They're not a huge fan of abandoned
vehicles or clutter collapsing buildings, you know, storing all your
rubbish outside. There are breaches and there zoning breaches and
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, I think of there's rats and stray cats involved,
and the council can absolutely do something because it becomes
a health hazard.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
I don't know if you can have rats and stray cats.
I think if you've got straight cats, you don't have.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Rats, right, They kind of cancel with each other out.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Like if you have rats, you don't have mice.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Yeah, good points.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
So the only good thing about rats is that you
don't have mice, and the only good thing about stray
cats is you don't have rats. There was a wicked,
half complete container house on tray me a while back
on the old vineyard overlooking a giant pond had one
of the containers cantilevering over the other two. It looked wicked.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Yeah, when done well, they look very beautiful in the
container homes and this one. Yeah, guys, my elderly parents
have lived next door to a house that was a
mess prior to the earthquakes in christ Chuch was damaged
and left basically to deteriorate further. They actually moved out.
We complained to the council, who pretty much said their
hands were tied. We felt it was a real fire risk,
but still nothing could be done. It was set on

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fire by young people and this was quite a stressful
experience as it took some time for the house to
be demolished. It now sits with a broken fence over
and a real I saw people dump couches, et cetera.
Have called the owner's son, who calls himself a community
man and his work website, but he refuses to do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
It is terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Now you are from christ Church, Tyler, Yes, so there
were a bunch of bars and containers went there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
That's right after, you know, sort.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
Of around the twenty twelve twenty thirteen era, there was
those pop up bars.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
The container market of course, Yeah, that was fantastic. That
worked a treat.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, so they had a whole bunch of This is
where the Riverside Market is now, right next to the river.
But of course in the early days they just bumped
down a whole bunch of shipping containers. They must have
done a little bit of work to them. But then
they had a whole lot of various shops and bars
open up.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
I can see that. I can see the value in
container pop ups, container bars after an earthquake, or like
creating a container batch. Yes, but surely creating an actual
container house is more just because she want to do
a grand design type, you've got an idea of trying

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to see if you can do something, definitely, and I
would just like to see the plans that this woman had,
because I don't think her twenty four container house, I
don't think it was a grand design.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
You don't think she had the architectural plans ready to go.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
I just think either it's not true or she was
designing her mansion and minecraft.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
I think you might be right, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
But thank you very much everyone who gave us a
call and text over that conversation. Really enjoyed that and
it's safe to say no more to the shipping house
mentioned that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Is a dream that's been crushed by the Auckland City Council.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Right coming up after three o'clock, we'll to have a
chat about an incident when it comes to a child
not been able to get on the bus because they
didn't bring their wallets. So the New Zealand Children's Commissioner
has stepped in in regards to this particular issue. So
we're going to have a chat to you about you know,
whether it was right took this particular child from the

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bus and weather that can be a harsh leash a lesson.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
So, oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is that number
to call. Ninet two ninety two is the text number
new Sport and weather is fast approaching.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Great to have your company. You're listening to matt and Tyler.
Have you having a good afternoon?

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Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Welcome back into the program. Thanks very much for giving
us a listen. It is seven past three. So the
Children's Commissioner has weighed into a situation where an eleven
year old Auckland girl was left stranded and in tears
after a bus driver refused to let her travel to
school because she had forgotten her wallet and had no
fear to pay, so she was dressed in school uniform.

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According to her grandmother, the girl had also explained her
situation but was repeatedly told to get off the bus.
Her grandmother also said the child was deeply upset and
shaken by the experience, questioning why compassion was not showing
to a young student trying to get to school. So,
as I mentioned before, the Children's commission a clear Arkhmad
has weighed in and she says refusing transport to children

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is unacceptable because it can put their safety, well being
and access to education at risk.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
But she didn't have the fear to pay for the bus.
She did not, So if you don't have the fear
to pay for the bus, then you can't get on
the bus. That's an important lesson in life. This whole
discussion around it seems it's acting like they were dumping
the kid in the middle of the night in a
dangerous area. Yeah, so this is in point chev and
twenty minutes from home in the daytime.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Yep, that's not.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
A dangerous situation. So what kind of lesson do you
Isn't it a very very valuable lesson that you would
teach a child that you have to have the fear
to get on the bus and once you've had to
walk home and got the detention for being late from
school and all that kind of stuff. Wouldn't that be
a hugely val lesson that you would learn such that
you don't forget those things anymore and you become a

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more competent person.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
I'm just thinking back to my childhood, and there was
a couple of times that I did miss the bus,
but I had the warning from the parents and say,
you know what time, the bus is outside the house,
and it's up to you to get there in time,
and if you don't get there, we're not going to
batt you out. It was kind of well known, and
I knew the one time, or that I actually missed
it multiple times, that I knew my only option if
I wasn't going to get into a hell of a

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lot of trouble was to walk to school.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
I had to that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I knew I'd stuffed up and now I've got a walk.
I think it was about five k I mean, it
sounded like one of those old stories. It wasn't that bad,
but I knew then I was going to be late
and I'm going to have to face the consequences.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
That the resilience that you would learn, maybe if this
child now has learnt the lesson. So I got off
the bus, was very upset, cried, shaken by the situation.
Seems odd. I mean, I was not allowed on buses
a lot when I was a kid. I don't think
I was shaken by the situation. I was just like, oh, bumma, yeah.
But anyway, maybe in the future, because of this particular situation,

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although now everyone's rallied around her and told her that,
you know, she was the victim in the situation rather
than the person that made a mistake. But maybe that
would be the lesson that you learn, and in the future,
you don't forget your passport when you go into the
airport or something, because you've learned that you need to
be organized to travel.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
It'd be deeply ingrained in the psyche. That's for sure
learning that lesson at eleven years old. And as you say,
if she was traumatized, I mean the other aspect to
this of that, you know, this little girl, when she's
crying in front of the bus driver and there's other
people sitting in the bus. As another bus passenger, wouldn't
you step up and just say, hey, I can see
this girls having a bit of a hard time here.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
I will pay for that girl's fear.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I'm surprised that nobody stepped up to do that, because
if she was traumatized in the state that she's been
portrayed to be in, surely there would have been someone
on the bus to say, I'm going to help you out.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Do you know how I feel so for in this
situation the bus driver. So you are a bus driver, right,
You don't get paid a whole lot of money, no,
And so you're job is to pick people up, take
their fear, and take them to where they're going, right,
that's your job. Your job isn't to ascertain whether this
person is legitimate or not, or with this person should
be allowed on the bus or not, or what emotional

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state this child is in. It's just you drive the
bus safely. You don't crash into things. You follow the
road rules. People get on the bus, they pay to
get on. If they don't have any money, then they
don't get on the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
How the bus driver.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
Isn't trained on anything else? Yeah, are they to ascertain?
I think I should let this person on or not?
This person on. This person's in a uniform, they're eleven,
they're crying. I let them put them on. This next
person's whatever. I'm not going to let them out. Ship.
You pay the fear, you get on the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
If you don't have the fear, you don't get on
the bus. It's a hell of a job for the
bus driver. And you've got to say you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I'm sure there have been other school children that have said,
I'm sorry, sir, I don't have any money. Can you
let me on the bus anyway? And taking the make
But what do you say next thing?

Speaker 22 (01:22:11):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
They're bloody down the dairy buying some nerds.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Oh they were good times.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
So should bus drivers always let children ride for free
if they don't have the fear? Oh one hundred eighty
ten eighty s at number nineteen nine two is the text.
It's eleven past three US talks, it'd be there's fourteen
pass three. Should bus drivers always let children ride for
free even if they don't have the fear?

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
One hundred eighty ten eighties number call get a Tony.

Speaker 9 (01:22:38):
Good after me and gentlemen, how are we today?

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Very good? Thanks Tony? Your thoughts your thoughts on this issue?

Speaker 25 (01:22:47):
Well, I mean, the bus driver isn't wrong in doing
his job.

Speaker 9 (01:22:51):
That's one point.

Speaker 25 (01:22:53):
There is a matter of other points to the situation
where he could have gone about things differently. Now if
this had been a difference, sinjore, Now this happened in the.

Speaker 16 (01:23:03):
Morning, did it it did?

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
Yep?

Speaker 25 (01:23:05):
Okay, Now this happened to the after school, say four
four thirty, and she was left on the street.

Speaker 9 (01:23:12):
And half an hour outside of dark. Now is that
a different situation?

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
I would say it's definitely a different situation if it
was after dark, for sure.

Speaker 25 (01:23:20):
Now, now here's my second point. Are you still gonna
think that that's a very good lesson for her not
to forget her bust the next time?

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Probably after school?

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Yep, i'd be I think probably before school definitely less
of a thing. But if it was, it would be
a very different situation. If it was five thirty at
night or something. Absolutely, I think there would be and living, living,
and living year old girl on the street at five
thirty at night would not be a great thing.

Speaker 25 (01:23:49):
So here's another point, believing, Oliver, you're on the street regardless.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
No, I mean eleven year olds school, My kids kids.

Speaker 25 (01:24:01):
That I could drive your eleven year old daughter and say, oh,
well sorry, I can't take you and leave her on
the street, and you be happy that you would.

Speaker 9 (01:24:09):
You wouldn't be happy.

Speaker 25 (01:24:10):
Any clients there, hurry, surry loves. That's I think most
kids can walk to school.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
They might well, I think, I think. I think I
think most kids can walk to school when they're eleven
years old.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
I don't think they may not.

Speaker 9 (01:24:25):
That's right, mate, No way.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
You don't think a kid can walk to school. Kids
can walk to school.

Speaker 9 (01:24:31):
They can, they can.

Speaker 25 (01:24:34):
That's a long distance these days. You're crazy to let
you live in.

Speaker 24 (01:24:38):
Your daughter.

Speaker 19 (01:24:40):
And sorry, when they had high school, then they can
walk to school unless that age. May look after your children, buddy,
because that's what they are. I don't think that they're
old enough to walk. I was on the street mate,
get like, get a life.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Both get a life, because in year old could have
a living year old kid walk to school.

Speaker 25 (01:25:02):
Nothing about children, buddy, I don't know nothing about children.
What's going to be taught to listen by leaving be
forgetting something?

Speaker 23 (01:25:09):
Are you serious?

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Yes, very serious?

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
If you don't if children never, if children never learn less.

Speaker 25 (01:25:15):
Consequences, not letting you have watch your TV program or
something like that. That's been total lesson, not being missed
on the street by yourself. What about being total lesson
with kids, of mate, because you don't know nothing about
teaching kids lessons?

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Yes, about teaching kids lessons. Tony, listen to me, listen
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Oh he's gone, Tony's gone.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
So that's a wider question. You know, Tony's obviously had
a few drinks this afternoon, and good on them. You know,
it's a Monday afternoon, get stuck in. But the thing is,
eleven kids can walk to school eleven. My kids walking
to school at primary school eleven is is quite growing up.
I mean within reason. I mean, if they're you know,

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if there's if it's an hour and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Yeah, but but well, what's changed? I mean that was
my question as look I don't know what would be
the right. I mean, eleven seems okay to me because
I did it when I was eleven that I walked
to school and it was, as I say, about five
k a way, particularly when I missed the bus. But
sometimes I just walked because it was easier. But what
has changed now that that there is that fear that

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something will happen to a child at that age. That's
what I don't understand, because I don't think society is
inherently that much more dangerous. You know, I'm not going
to do this old huk back back in my day
because I hate that such crap.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
But in one of the most expensive suburbs in New Zealand. Yeah, anyway,
being welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (01:26:44):
You guys, how are you mate? You're not too good. Look,
I've got two takes on this. If I was on
that bus, I would have paid for that child to
get on straight away and no questions. Yeah, to come out.
But yeah, but then aighty is as a business mate.
At the end of the day, it's a business. You
let a child on today for free, and then they

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can expect it tomorrow and the next day, and then
the town the mates and then everyone's getting on for
free and and and then the rest of us that
are pain are going to be paying more the following
year to cover that of course. So yeah, look, look
I'm looking. If it was that night, i'd say later on, yeah, absolutely,
But during the day it was like my son walks

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a cain half the school every day, you know, unless
it's how.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
How has your son he's twelve?

Speaker 9 (01:27:32):
Yeah, right, so he's been walking to school since he
was eight. So yeah, yeah, you know, like we've never
had an issue. There's no issues. You know, there's a
lot of kids walking to school. You know, normally the
walk to school in a group.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
It's no bigger you, right, Ben, you know you've never
had any safety concerns obviously.

Speaker 9 (01:27:52):
No, No, I've never had any safety concerns. Like he
carries it. He's got a cell phone, you know, he
carries it. There's mainly because you know, mum and Dad's
hours changed, so you know, got organized different pick up
and drop off times, you know, for make sure someone's
going to be at home in his own kind of thing,
or you know he's to go of the name neighbors.
But yeah, like like I it's definitely a hard one,

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because no one wants to see their daughter, you know,
tossed off the bus. But yeah, at the end of
the day, it's a business mate. If you don't need
the money, you don't have the money. It's like you
can't walk into a dairy, grab a drink and then
drink it and not pay for it. You know, it's
it's the same thing exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
And Ben, what do you think about the idea of
lessons in life, because I imagine if you imagined that this
this young girl cheers. I mean, of course a kid
is going to forget their wallet. The kid hasn't done
much wrong. But once you haven't been allowed on the
bus once, I imagine that's a pretty good lesson for life,
right when you had to walk in twenty minutes to
get home afterwards?

Speaker 9 (01:28:49):
Yeah, yeah, and you're not going to forget your you know,
your hop card next time, are you?

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:28:54):
So you know, but yeah, if you get let on,
then you're you're like, oh, oh if I didn't, if
I forgot it, I forgot it. You know, I still
get on. You know, you're not teaching my lesson. So look, look,
I think that you know the bus he shouldn't be
copping it because he's only doing his job at the
end of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
I mean, you're a bus driver. People pay to get
on the bus or they don't get on the bus,
and it's a lot. I mean, I've seen how little
bus drivers get paid, so to ask them to be
making these sort of value judgments, whether it's just the
last twenty kids that have taken the purse or this
one's for real, that's a lot to put on the
bus driver. But as you say, if it was at night,

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totally different. But in the morning, I'm just.

Speaker 23 (01:29:35):
Worried do that.

Speaker 9 (01:29:36):
You know, if this was a regular thing, how many
people would think they can get on the bus for
free and then it puts the price up for everyone else.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
Well, look at this that the Children's Commissioner says she's
calling for free public transport for all children. So that's
that's the the Children's Commissioner that's come out and saying
that it's unacceptable. In her opinion, all all school buses should,
all public transport for children should be free.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Whole situation, isn't it. You do agree with it, do
you say?

Speaker 18 (01:30:05):
Ben?

Speaker 25 (01:30:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:30:07):
Yeah, So I think all kids should be able to
get to and from school on the bus for free.
I agree with that. Any other time though they should
have to pay, but the definitely get into them from school.
It should be free.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
What about the backup plans because you just mentioned there
being your boy's got a phone. I mean that to me,
I think is part and parcel right, And I don't
want to keep hammering home about this particular girl, But
when you send your child out and they go into school,
if anything goes wrong, you teach them to have a
backup land right if anything happens. This is what you
need to do. And it seems like in this case,
this poor girl wasn't told that she had no idea

(01:30:40):
what was going to happen and what she was going
to do, so maybe that was part of the problem.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
Ben.

Speaker 9 (01:30:45):
Yeah, well, a good thing about the phone is you
can you know, you can track your kids, So if
the kid didn't go up to school where you can go,
why not? And you know it's easy enough to track it.
So yeah, I think you need to talk to your
kids and have a plan in place, because if you don't,
you know, you end up like this girl.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
Yeah, well it's kind of this thing as well. Thank
you Ben for your call. There's also this thing where
you starting telling children that they are completely useless and
they can't solve problems for them, and then the whole
nation comes out into your to defend you because you
forgot your wallet, rather than the essential lesson that should
be remember to take the things that you need to

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pay to get on the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
Yeah, but now everyone's like, You've got the Children's Commission
saying that the bus driver's a piece of crap. They
haven't said that exactly, but said it's unacceptable hastling the
bus driver. The whole world saying that you were not
capable of looking after yourself, you were not capable of
dealing with the situation. I don't think that's a great
lesson for eleven year old.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
It's become a national story, for goodness sake.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
What do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty So should bus drivers always let children ripe for
free even if they forget their fear? And the follow
up question, is eleven old enough to walk to school?
It is twenty four past street back and of.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Hope Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
and eighty two eighty on News talks EDB News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
It is twenty six pass three. Boy, oh boy, We've
had so many techs come through. So this is about
bus drivers letting children ride for free if they forget
their fear.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Is that okay?

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
And also a hell of a lot of people coming
through on is eleven old enough to walk to school yourself?

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
Am I using the right descriptions that the Children's Commissioner.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Yep, Children's Commissioner Claire Aukman.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
I've commissioned a couple of children in my time. Yeah,
well so we have. I've involved in an act that's
end up and go to the children. How it works.
I'm not sure if that's called commissioning. This text says, Matt,
if a bus driver doesn't let a kid on because
they have listened to you, you will have blood on
your hands.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Well, well, well I don't know about that.

Speaker 18 (01:32:48):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
I think if a bus driver doesn't let a kid
on in the morning because they have listened to me,
the kid will probably just walk home and will probably
more than likely be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
He'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
But yeah, the Children's commission is saying that that that
she thinks that the transport to school should be free.
For kids and being agreed with that. But then if
kids as a success, if you give kids free transport,
then what happens when the kid forgets they're id? Yeah,
there's still some responsibility for the kid. That's right, no
matter what.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Welcome to the show, Chris.

Speaker 12 (01:33:23):
I personally believe that the kids in New Zealand should
travel for free like the schools do here in.

Speaker 23 (01:33:30):
New South Wales.

Speaker 12 (01:33:32):
We'll look down to my local.

Speaker 23 (01:33:33):
Bus stop to get to ma Jolee.

Speaker 12 (01:33:35):
And then the kids there's a special bus that will
them up and they go to their school free and
they have got the same opal cards as we have
in News of Wells and they just tap on and
it registers them. But it's free. I think that's a
really good idea because you know, there's the cost of

(01:33:57):
living and then and a kid having to pay to
get to school. I think it's a bit rough.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
I guess the thing is it's not free though, is it?
Because what happens there is that'll come out of the
school's budget or the education department's budget. You know, like
we'd have to find the money for that, and there's
not a lot of money floating around it.

Speaker 12 (01:34:18):
We don't have to because of the public transport bus
route that's already in play for the consumer, the test
can just jump on it. And that's just part of
wearing the network. It doesn't have to be a bill
for the school. Essentially, like the insturants, school's got a
lot more money than were at but and then they

(01:34:39):
can get their students where they want to. But we
could just do it on public transports until you finish
high school? Do you think get to school? That's fair?
That's fair crap, And I don't see anything wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
To be fair.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
It's interesing. It's impressed, isn't it, Because I'm not actually
sure how the system works in the States. But you know,
anyone that spent the time there, you see those yellow
school buses. It seems that every every everyone gets a
bus to school in the States. Yeah, you see hundred
thousands of those yellow ones.

Speaker 12 (01:35:13):
Yeah, and I think that built into the fees in.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
America, right, I think from memory, Chris here, there used
to be I mean, particularly at my school, we had
to travel a We're White way, but we my mum
and dad had to buy a weekly pass and it
clipped it every time we jumped on. But I think
the weekly passed was civily subsidized, but that was a
purely school bus. There wasn't a public bus that was
just the school kids.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Uh, And it seemed like, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 12 (01:35:40):
Because I always used to try and jump on from
the Morton bus the halls on the Friday to catch
up with my mates, and I'd just give a fifty
cent coin to the bus drive and get on and
behave yourself. But then about that particular student, it's unfortunate

(01:36:01):
for that kids that that happened for them, but for me,
young kids walking with that friend or supervision to school
at the age, I think anything from a upwards, if
you're in quite a safe neighborhood. I was as a tyler.

(01:36:24):
I lived around the Hunhi sort of Cashmeres Braden Reason region,
and like I had to just go to school, I'd
walk sort of thirty minutes each way and there's no
problem there. And I think if you're in a good neighborhood,
no dramas, but certain parts of New Zealand that I
wouldn't want a daughter of mine to be walking through.

Speaker 4 (01:36:47):
So yeah, it's kind of a thing you have to decide,
isn't it. As a parent, you have to work out
that there's a safe route. You know, sometimes if your
kid has to cross a major road or something, then
it's a bit later that you have them walking to school.
But if it's just through your suburb and it's you know,
I see exactly what you mean. I mean, as as
any parent, you have to weigh the risks, don't you.

(01:37:08):
But I think I think the sooner you can have
your kid walking to school and taking responsiblit to theself.
And you know, anyone that's read any of Jonathan Heights writing,
he talks about how important is as soon as you
can to give children responsibilities outside of you know, you
you watching over them. It's so good for how you know,

(01:37:29):
how they develop as a human being. And you know,
the more you moody coddle them and don't give them responsibilities,
the more terrifying the world becomes to them, and the
less competent they are in, the more safe spaces they
want when they get older.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Yeah, yeah, what do you say, though, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number two call? We've got
plenty of teachs coming through on nine two nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Totally agree with this caller. This day and age. There's
no way you'd let an liven year old walk to
school on their own. Highly irresponsible for a parent to
let their children. It's criminally negligent.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Do you know how.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
Are you insane? People that don't think in eleven year
old can walk to school, a six year old can
walk to school in the right situations. Are you seriously
saying that would be criminally neglent negligent to let an
intermediate age school walk to kid walk to school? That
means there are tens and tens and thousands of criminally

(01:38:27):
negligent parents because when i'm you know, in my neighborhood,
nearly every kid is walking too intermediate.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
It's a big job for the police.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Yeah, what has changed? Though generally no one has answered
their question, what has changed?

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
If your kids can't walk to school when they're eleven,
then I think that you need to look into why.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Yeah, what do you say though?

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Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Thank you very much. Raylian.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
So we've been talking about this article. We're an eleven
year old girl was left traumatized to her grandmother's sears
after she was denied being allowed to get on the
bus because she've got her wallet and hence the fear.
So is it or should bus drivers allow any child
regardless of whether they've got a fear or not on
the bus. But the follow up question, eleven year old's
walking to school?

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
It's insane the amount of people that don't think in
eleven year old should be allowed to walk to school.
What are they thinking in eleven year old? Is eleven
year olds shouldn't be allowed to walk to school until
the legal age they are allowed to stay at home alone,
which is fourteen. The world has changed, especially with social media.
Isn't as safe as it was fifty years ago?

Speaker 25 (01:40:47):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
No, with social media, what's happening is that you're seeing
a lot of bad things that are happening globally and
thinking that they're happening everywhere. But you're seriously saying that
a child should not be able to walk to school
until they're fourteen years of age. That is insane. The
modley coddling is it a word of children? Of course,
my kids were walking to school from the age of

(01:41:09):
seven and eight.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Said all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
And also that under fourteen thing, that fourteen year old
thing at home is ridiculous as well. But it's not
what people think it is. It's it's under supervision. So
you know what, a kid can be at home under
under fourteen if they've got they can contact you.

Speaker 25 (01:41:28):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
It's people think that the kids aren't allowed to be
home under fourteen at all. If there's reasonable it's not overnight,
it's a matter of time, and then there's a reasonable
capability of them contacting you are an adult, then they
can be at home.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
Which is common sense, right, Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighties to number to call gett a soup o.

Speaker 22 (01:41:46):
Hi.

Speaker 15 (01:41:47):
Look, first of all, if it was a school bus,
I haven't done busses for years, but nowaday.

Speaker 6 (01:41:54):
If it was school bus, it I only took school children.

Speaker 15 (01:41:56):
There would be no adults at all on the bus,
so she wouldn't get help from there. There may have
been college students, I don't know, but they all sit
on the bus with the phones and the airpads on
and don't even see what's going on or here. And
also I mean, okay, she could walk to school, but

(01:42:19):
children don't. They won't walk to school, they won't walk anywhere.
You see the others dropping them right at the gate,
and they only live a couple of hundred yards away.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
Yeah, and then in that case, I don't think it
was an hour for her to walk to school, but
only twenty minutes to walk home. Under twenty minutes store,
So I'd say that, but no, it would.

Speaker 15 (01:42:36):
Be because they don't want to do it more than anything.
You know, you don't see them doing it. I mean
I use the buses, normal buses all the time, and
you get on that bus and there's not one person.
There might be a couple of pensioners, but there's not
one person on that bus that hasn't got an phone
in their hand or iPad or airphones on and they

(01:42:57):
don't even see you get on the bus.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
Yeah, it's depressing, suppressing, just everyone slumped over their devices
on the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Leg mirror, Mike, Welcome to the show, a man. Yeah,
not too bad. What's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 13 (01:43:12):
Oh, I live in New Plymouth. Well, I've in a
little rural town just south of New Plymouth, and this
happened to my daughter for about two months ago that
New Plymouth Girls High. He's got swim lessons in town
and down here, they've got a bus system where you've
got a limit on it in the centers that empties,
it automatically reloads, and her bus card didn't reload, so

(01:43:36):
she was allowed on the bus by the bus.

Speaker 11 (01:43:38):
Driver she was on.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
Did you say she wasn't allowed on?

Speaker 13 (01:43:42):
Yeah, she wasn't. She didn't have a fairy. And then
the bus driver was good though he did turn around
in every single personal netbus if they would put her
on with their card, and they all just blanked her.
What cause of rural rural family. My daughter's got a

(01:44:03):
non smartphone, that's the emergency phone fladed up. She wrung me,
I was down south, so what have taken me about?
How to get to her school to pick her up?
And she just wrung her swimming coach who was going
into the lessons anyway, and she just swung past and
picked her up. So if you live really and you
and your kids go into a city school and you

(01:44:24):
don't have a backup, well that's pretty much on you.
If you're a bus driver, mate, like you said before,
how do you know, how do you know who's been genuine?
How do you know who's not but just seems to me.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
That that's that a bus is quite simple. You pay
to get on it, and if you can't pay, you
don't get on it. And in the middle of the
night there would be a bad thing. How old is you?
You know you're not going to an eleven year old
girl on a bus it's seven o'clock at night.

Speaker 13 (01:44:48):
Yeah, how are you that's scary. Yeah, she's fourteen. She's
first year at secondary school. So that's the scary part.
Age's like our local school that she's been going to
since we moved down here. Yeah, she's been going there
three years. It's like it's like a ten minute school,
you know, ten minutes away. Now going to a school
that's over a forty minute and you can't get home

(01:45:09):
because it's all highway. Yeah for the skill yeah, liven
year old girl. It's for the living year old girl.
Like a living year old girl walking home four k's
that's about forty minutes days for a little little feet mate.
So yeah, I don't know. I think walking home depends
on where you live in comparison to the school you're

(01:45:31):
going to, you know. Yeah, but my kids our schools
about the main primary school to intermediate school from my house,
it's about a ten minute five minute drive, but you've
got to go straight onto a state highway and there's
a bridge there that you'd call it a suicide bridge
because there's no way you'd walk across it. It's just tight.

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
Well, I mean it's different. It's a different situation, isn't it.
So as a parent you have to work out the
terrain for your for your child and make that decision.
What I think?

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
What odd that no one helped her out? So you've
got everyone on the basket.

Speaker 13 (01:46:03):
But that's scale my main problem. That was my main issue.
That that is like, that's the society mate, right down
to your kids.

Speaker 14 (01:46:09):
Now.

Speaker 13 (01:46:10):
That is that is no I want to help each
other out, mate, And you wouldn't even like get.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
Up and help one school fair. There wasn't a single
person on that bus. That is that is lame.

Speaker 13 (01:46:20):
Country's got no money. But if you're a political party
in election year, all make three bus bears for under
you know twelve days, you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Say, yeah, I know it on that bus had an
extra two dollars fifty to help her out. You know,
I mean that's crazy that if a girl or you know,
or a child of any gender stood on the bus
and said, I'm so sorry I forgot my fear.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Can anyone please help me out to get to school?
I think everybody would jump up, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
On that situation as the bus as a bus rider,
I kicked everyone else off the bus and then taking
your daughter just make a long stand.

Speaker 13 (01:46:55):
Yeah, this is a bus that only takes school cad
day into the site. They're all skool kits, yes to show.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
Yeah, it doesn't seem right to call kids scum you
want to write that, but it's probably likely what the
previous schooler said. They probably just still on headphones on
and and on their phones and didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
Yes, Mike, thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
Jazz, welcome to the show, and how's it going?

Speaker 25 (01:47:22):
Was good?

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
Thanks mate.

Speaker 6 (01:47:25):
He just done that topic we're talking about. Yeah, I
think it's a bit hard to judge whether you know
on that to be on the bus driver he did
probably tried to his job as best as possible. But
in terms of young kids going to school, I mean
my plat and I think he was about nine at
the time. We lived out at East Ookland and he

(01:47:46):
just jumped on his little scooter and just went to
his intermediate and came back. You know, we just gave
him a cell phone and and he just checked it
on us and when he was leaving school and then
when he got to school in the morning, I think, yeah.
And and then we moved out south, but he still
went out South Aukland, and then we still went after

(01:48:07):
he was twelve. We started catching the trains from the
local translation we drop them off to the transit and
you'd just catch a couple of trains and you'd get
to school and back. But the thing was that he
had always had a couple of boys, you know as
friends from school or class or they're all together. So
there was a couple of boys and went with them.
So that made it a little bit easier. But and
like I said, it depends on the area as well

(01:48:29):
that you're in.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
Yeah, I mean, as apparent, you've got to make that decision.
You've got to go, you've got to walk through and
teach them what they're doing, and you know, you do
a risk assessment. But yeah, I think you know different
situations obviously, as you say, but from quite a young age,
they can handle making it to school. And I think
they like it. I think they like the independence of it.

Speaker 6 (01:48:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, like you said that, the earlier
you give them a bit of independences, give them better responsibility.
They definitely grow up on. Like he's almost eighteen now,
so and you know he's independently. He's got his own vehicle.
He drives around now, so it's and I don't have
to worry about him. You know, he's got himself a
little part time job. And like you said, he just
kicked off at their young age, about eight or nine,

(01:49:09):
and then just just let them have it. And in
terms of the people are saying transport should be free,
I'm not sure if anybody mentioned, but had he still
got it as a student card and you registered that
with at and they get it actually what you call
us a little bit of discounted fair for students. Yeah,
so you know, I mean, like you said that, the

(01:49:30):
money's got to come from somewhere, right.

Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
It'll come off something else.

Speaker 6 (01:49:35):
Free, but I think as a subsidize it makes it
a little bit of difference. But free, I think it's
gone a bit too far. I think we've still got
to at all. It'll come from somewhere else otherwise.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Yeah, I think if you call jazz sounds like a
great dad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
Appreciate it absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
I mean we've just found out that we've spent an
extra two billion, well, you know, on the city rail
link in Auckland, having a fancy pants city rail link
rather than just a functional one. So that's two billion
dollars that we can't spend on getting kids around with
cheap fears or a million other things that we could
have done with that money.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Yeah, what did you put it the other day? That
could almost pay for an uber for everyone in Auckland
for ten years. Keep those schools coming through on one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. Were a bit late on
the break, but we'll be back in a couple of minutes.
It's fourteen to three, the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
They'd be afternoon it there is eleven to four time. Yeah,
what's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 20 (01:50:33):
Joa there?

Speaker 11 (01:50:33):
How are you guys?

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
Very good? Thank you, thanks for calling.

Speaker 11 (01:50:38):
So I'm actually fourteen.

Speaker 27 (01:50:40):
I do have my dad here with me.

Speaker 26 (01:50:41):
Just still it you guys? Well really, yeah, I am fourteen,
and I think especially for you know, the younger generation.
It's really cool to hear other young people talking about
issues that relate to them. It is why I really
wanted to share my opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:50:54):
Good on you, But yeah, I think a lot of
other people.

Speaker 28 (01:50:58):
Before me have kind of touched on this.

Speaker 26 (01:51:01):
But my main opinion around whether an eleven year.

Speaker 28 (01:51:04):
Old can walk to school or walk home by themselves,
it's just it really depends on the situation because in
my personal experience, I'm in high school right now, and
before this, I used to live in a very small
town and my school and all my nearby activities was
like literally the fire to ten minutes away from my house,

(01:51:25):
so it was super safe to walk. I knew the
town inside and out, so of course my parents trusted
me enough to walk there and back. But I think now,
especially that we've moved to a bigger city, it's incredible
to me that the situations can change so quickly, because
personally speaking, I have felt quite unsafe sometimes, and especially

(01:51:49):
because I do a lot of activities and I go,
you know, back and forth quite a bit, and it
can be quite hard to you know. I don't really
know how to word this properly, but I do agree
with saying that independence is something really important and it
is something that.

Speaker 26 (01:52:06):
I really do value. But I think, especially with being
a young person and walking home, it really depends on
the situation where you live, your area, time.

Speaker 17 (01:52:17):
A day, kind of things.

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
Time of day is important to and how how do
you generally get around Tanya, Well, I have.

Speaker 28 (01:52:24):
No wonderful parents.

Speaker 26 (01:52:26):
It would have dropped me off and taken me out.

Speaker 9 (01:52:28):
Yeah, I do take the bus yep.

Speaker 26 (01:52:31):
And I think also because I do live, you know,
a good thirty twenty minutes away from school was an
interesting terrain.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
So yeah, I mean it's absolutely You're absolutely right, though
it is different circumstances. So I guess when I was
pushing back on the idea that it's you know that
all these people texting in blanket, there's no way that
it's all ever responsible to hav an eleven year old
walking to school, I think that's crazy. But I think
also as a parent, you have to work out the situation,

(01:52:59):
how safe it is, and have ever planned And if
you decide that it's not that they've got a cross
crazy roads or there's some kind of weird part of
town they have to go through, then you're obviously not
going to do it. But I see I see thousands
and thousands of eleven year olds walking to school, you know,
in to meet. I agree, yeah, but as you say,
like if it's after dark, that's a totally different story,

(01:53:21):
isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:53:22):
Yeah, And I think the.

Speaker 28 (01:53:23):
Main point that I was trying to get across is
that it's not like one size fits all exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
Yeah, yeah, that was my main thing. Well, it's a
great point. Yeah, you think if you're calling and think.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
If you're sharing that much, have lovely you too. Very
articulate fourteen year old, But what a great person.

Speaker 4 (01:53:38):
What a patronizing thing to say, Tyler, an articulate fourteen
year old, This is an articulate human being.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
This is coming from an unarticulate forty year old. So
world Antonia.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
She is way more articulate than you. You couldn't even
say articulate. You're making me look bad. It's seven to four,
beggary shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
You're listening to about in Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 5 (01:54:01):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
Talk said he what a great head.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
That was five minutes to four, Tyler, you are in articulate.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Thank you. I didn't say unarticulate, did I?

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
It does?

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
What a more on? So that probably just proves the point.

Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
It was actually the correct term for you to use,
because describing yourself as unarticulate.

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
Find you all along.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
You prove the point you were trying to make, right.
Thank you very much to everyone who called and text
on that discussion.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
Yeah it was a great discussion, wasn't it. This texta
sums up something people saying an eleven year old can't
walk to school or the problem with society. Sure, there
are situations when they cannot, but from seven on you
should be looking for a way for them to You
should be looking for ways for them to become independent.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
Yeah nice, all right, Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
That brings us the end of the show. Thank you
so much for listening everyone. We'll be back tomorrow live
from midday, so we'd love you to tune in again,
and we appreciate your calls and text as well. But
why am I playing this fantastic song by split Ends?

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Oh now you've got my split Dan's knowledge on the
ropes here that I know it is Splodians. What was
the name of the song.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
This is poor boy, poor boy, because you went to
the Spladys concert last night.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
You're still fizzing on it. You're lucky, lucky man.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
This is just such a great song, underrated, so shut
up and play it. Hither douce on and up next.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
So it's been saying all morning, just black Card.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
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