Full Show Podcast: 12 August 2026

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 12th of August 2024, Christopher Luxon survives another leadership challenge - callers share their thoughts on where to now.  

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Be a very very good afternoon, Cher, Welcome into the show.
It is six pass one. So, as we heard last,
our Prime Minister Christopher larks And says he has the
full support of his caucus following a confidence vote on
his leadership this morning. In a fifty two second press
conference during which he took no questions from media, he
was flanked by key senior members of his caucus, including

(00:49):
Ericus Stanford Tauted as a challenger to his leadership. Joining
us right now is senior political correspondent Barry Soapa Ghette.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Barry. Hello, Barry O, I've got you there. Good afternoon,
So Barry, you picked this yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
You see, Christopher Luckson was going to steer down the
dissenters and he's managed to do that successfully for the
second time. And I also think you owe another bottle
of whiskey.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Actually, Barry, yes, well, I made several bottle of whiskeys actually.
But you know the thing is that for the National
Party to change its leadership at the stage with less
than ninety days to go until the election would have
been not suicide, but it would certainly bring them even

(01:35):
closer to the brink. What now Christopher Luxen has to
do between now and the election is to suffer the
detractors in his caucus and we know there are a number,
and not penalize them in the short term, but certainly
after the election then he can deal out some pretty

(01:56):
tough medicine to those people who have been undermining his leadership.
I've always said Tyler, what he did, the gaffes that
he made are minor compared to what other Prime ministers
or other politicians have said. I mean, to make a
captain's call on an MMP referendum on Newstalk ZB with

(02:18):
Kerry last week is not a mortal sin. It's hardy
a venal sin when you think about it, because he
has every right as the Prime Minister to make a
captain's call on something like that and then to give
a lecture to businessman small businesses in Rotorua and then

(02:40):
to have to apologize for it. I would not have
offered an apology. I think what he said to them
was quite right. Don't come bleting to the government every
time you think your business is not going the way
it should. Look after yourselves, create a climate, look for
better things. So as a prime minister, I don't think

(03:00):
he's done anything that's significantly bad enough, certainly for him
to lose his job.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
There was a show of you teef of this fifty
two second press conference Barry obviously Chris Bishop was standing
behind Christopher Luxon, the same with Erica Stanford of many.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Of his senior MPs.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Is this enough to quarterize that disunity within the party
or does more need to happen for some of these
so called dissenters before the party can move on?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah? No, I think you'll remember And it was a
very different circumstance Helen Clark when senior members of her
party waited on her to stand aside in the leadership
that they were in opposition then, which is quite different
to this. But she in fact promoted her dissenters and

(03:47):
they were loyal compatriots from that day on. And one
of them, of course was the late Michael Cullen that
he was her deputy and a very loyal member of
her cabinet. So you know what Christopher Luxton has to
resist doing now is to rek havoc in the part

(04:09):
by penalizing those who have plotted against him. He's got
to live with that. That's the nature of politics between
now and the election. At least after the election, then
all bets are off. He really has free reign. But
I think what the National Party has to do is

(04:29):
to show, and it has done behind Chris Luson's leadership,
is to show that it can be unified, because you
must remember, before Luxeon took over, there have been a
series of leaders Simon Bridges, Judith Collins, Todd Muller. You know,
in a very short space of time, he's solidified the leadership.

(04:51):
Today he probably weakened it by putting it to a vote,
but nevertheless he's been endorsed by the Caukers and that's
all that's required.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Do you think a part of this could have been
Barry And this is massive speculation here, but that's okay.
But some of the potential content were looking at less
than three months to the election and it could have
been a poison chalice. So I suppose my question is
if Christopher Luxeen manages to win and retain being in
government with the coalition, is he safe from that point

(05:23):
on or could this rear its head again?

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Old who knows? I mean, I think you know if
he goes on to win, and I still believe. I mean,
you only had to look at the pole of polls
in the Herald this week to show that they had
around seventy percent chance of the current coalition of winning
the election on November seventh. That may have been diminished

(05:48):
slightly because of the disruption that this has caused, but
that's not to say that they can't go on and win.
And well, Chris Luxon now will be the prime minister
going into the election. If he comes out of the
election as prime minister, then I don't believe, because the
economy is starting to turn, that he'll go from strength

(06:10):
to strength and probably won't be subjected to the gaffs
that he has uttered in the past because he will
have learnt from them. You really got to be careful
every time you open your mouth for what may what
it may mean. Further down the.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Track, it was a long meeting Barrier and O to
be a fly on the wall and what went on
in that meeting. But have you got any idea on
what was likely to have played out? Clearly they held
that vote, the confidence vote, but I imagine there was
some robust discussions being had by many of the senior
MP's and Christopher Luxe and himself.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Oh I'm sure that Christopher Luxen would have known who
was doing the numbers and that would have become clear
because all they do is ring around their colleagues and
say who are you going to support? Well, that word
would get back to the Prime Minister, so he would
know who the plotters were, who the wines were, and

(07:08):
who who it was that was undermining the National Party.
And you know he's got to resist taking any action
at the moment, is my belief. But after the election
it'll be a different story. But nevertheless, it has damaged
the party, there's no doubt about that, and it may
strengthen his opponent's hands. That's Act and New Zealand first.

(07:31):
But nevertheless, the coalition I think would still be able
to pull enough votes together to continue on the treasury benches.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Barry, really great to get your insights. Thank you very much,
and we'll let you go and pick up those bottles
of whiskey that you've won.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Thank you, Da.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
That is our senior a political correspondent, Barry Soaper, of course,
so taking your calls on this. So eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. You happy that Christopher Larkson has maintained
leader of the National Party Ahead of the election, did
you pack that was what was going to happen? Have
they maintained your confidence? If you are a supporter of
the National Party or if you're disappointed, if you wanted
to see the likes of Erica Stanford or even Chris

(08:11):
Bishop take on that leadership role, can to hear it
from you as well? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number? Nine two nine two is the text number?
It is fourteen past one, back with your calls very
shortly the.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 3 (08:31):
That'd be seventeen past one.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So Christoph Larksen has survived as National's leader? Is that
the best outcome is the way you said? Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty or nine two, niney two is
the text number? What now for the National Party? Does
this change anything for you seeing the disunity that has
existed within that party, Do people need to be perched
the dissenters or can they move on as one now
and go on to win the election?

Speaker 3 (08:55):
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is at number get
a Gregoy Tyler.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
Look, this is very good news, not only for the
National Party but for New Zealand. There's just no doubt
that he is the most confident person to lead this
country through what's been a very difficult time. And is
he perfect, No, he's this human. He's fairly new to

(09:21):
politics as well, and I think the Zellain's is very
lucky to have him in that position.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Do you think it will change anything for the voting public?
Greg looking at the party or is this enough to
quarterize what has happened? He's come out victorious and most people,
hopefully we'll see the National Party is unified going forward.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yes, I think it will strengthen National's position and hopefully
there's support. I think that's yellin can see that he's
a decisive leader. There was some some murmurings in the
back benches about leadership and over the last recent few
weeks and he's gone and got the troops together and said, rightyo, everybody,

(10:01):
Brant election campaign, what's going on? Who do you want
to be the boss of it all? And and he's
come out strongly, you know, as you know, through that process,
and it just shows a just decisive leadership.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
I think, if.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Anything, National need to be slightly on the right side,
on the right of the center a little bit more.
This is where Winston Peters has picked up some of
National's vote. I think National will probably tried to hug
the center line a little bit too much. And I
think I'd like to see Crystal Luxeon, you know, take
a bit more of a slightly rightous sort of view

(10:36):
of the.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
World needing for Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
What do you think about the dissenter's greg I mean,
Barry made a fair argument that the way that Helen
clarked out with dissenters was to promote them. You know,
that's politics. You've got to swallow some dead rats and
that's the best way to keep the scale duggery on
your side as much as possible. Or do you think
because I'm getting a lot of tech saying they need
to be sacked, where do you sit on that one?

Speaker 7 (10:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Interesting. Yeah, I think I think it's quite a smart
move to bring them into the in the circle. Look
with some really good talent in National and I think
Eric's Stamford will be a great prime minister in dat
he's a prime minister. But I think that she has
to buy her a time and wait for a bit
down the track. But yeah, the smart move for Crystal
luxeant to bring to bring those dissenters in some of

(11:18):
the back benches I think need a little bit of
a slap on the wrist. This all came about. Let's
not forget, because this all came about because a few
back benches probably making some murmurings murmurings and loose lips
talking to the media that kind of stirred up that
from the first place. Yeah, so some of us, somehows
back benches will need a bit of a smack on
the wrist because they've had haven't been around long enough

(11:38):
to see what sort of damage the leadership changes you
can do two parties and looked very far to see
in the Labor Party when they were playing musical chairs
around with their leadership. It was some years ago what
a mess that was and how that played out. We
don't want to get into that sort of situation.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, nicely, see, Greg, thank you very much for giving
me a call and some great thoughts there. Do you
agree with Greg? I will say about the dissenters. You know,
whether there are some senior people within that party that
Christopher Luxen plays the Helen Clark card and promotes them
and keep your enemies close situation. But there will be
many of those dissenters who a first term MPs that

(12:19):
they haven't been in the game for that long. And
you've got to say, if they were part of the
dissenting click or they were trying to stir the pot
themselves as first term MPs, whether they've got a long
career ahead of them in politics. People, Remember, when it
comes to politics, you've got to earn that respect and
loyalty and integrity. And if they were found to be
part of the group stirring the pot, you've got to

(12:40):
ask yourself how long is their future when it comes
to politics in this country? What do you say though, Oh,
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Speaker 1 (13:53):
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Speaker 8 (13:57):
Wayne map form a national mp IS with us. Can
you explain what it is about the National Party that
people on the backbench lose their minds this close to
an election and put their self interest in front of
everyone else.

Speaker 9 (14:06):
Let's look at who's actually on this. The Prime Minister
himself has called this meeting the second time in fact,
in four months. He's very grievously wounded by this whole process.
He's given an opportunity to the opposition, if you will
to point this out day in day out. Now there's
a group of voters out there not wedded to the
right who can switch their vote. They will be appalled

(14:28):
at what they're seeing.

Speaker 8 (14:30):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Leader News Talks, they'd.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Be twenty five pass one.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
So the Prime Minister, Christopher Luckxen has said he's got
the full support rather of his caucus following a confidence
vote on his leadership within the National Party this morning.
In a fifty two second press conference during which he
took no questions, he was flanked by key senior members
of his caucus. So is this the right move? Have
they made the right call here? And how do you
feel about the National Party ahead of the election in

(15:00):
November the seventh does it change anything for you, whether
you feel discouraged by what has happened with the disunity
with in that party, or perhaps you think it may
give Christopher Luckson and National the boost it needs going forward.
What do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number? Get a Trevor Hey, Tyler, Hey mates?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (15:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (15:21):
Good?

Speaker 6 (15:21):
And I just find this all interesting. I didn't think
they'd give them a boot, but I mean Barry mentioned it.
I mean, I think it was maybe five or seven
years ago.

Speaker 11 (15:30):
Talkback was a wash.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
You know, the state of the National Party with Judah
College was a Chris Molloy and you know Simon Bridges
and the questions are being asked, you know, will the
National Party ever give a New Zealand again? How long
will it take them to get up? So when you
look at where they are now, I mean even the
distractors must give some of that credit to Christopher Luckson.
I mean we can see how brings a team together

(15:53):
because he has worked closely with two strong minded, pig
headed males in the last three years and they're still together.
They're still getting their job done. They've got different thoughts
and you know what makes me laugh about this. You know,
listening yesterday that all the media people, not all of them,
eighty percent of them who are in the know, they
know how it works. What I've heard. He was going,

(16:16):
So what have all these people got? I mean, I
you know, we meant to believe them because they are
in the know. They know how these things work. If
it happens twice in three months, he's gone and stuff
like that. So you know, I sort of questioned them
and that guy that first bought the story to light,
you know, and he didn't want to release who the
people was telling him. I mean, will he open up

(16:37):
now and tell us? But the most important thing I
want to say about the dissent is I got a
different view on that. You know, when you're in the team,
loyalty is key, and you know, I'll give people an example.
A lot of people probably know this. The Warriors had
a star player this year. He was a star player
last year. He was a daily lead in the competition.
His name was Luke Metcalf and he was asked to

(16:59):
play in a position and the team that he did
want to play, so the coach of that team dropped them.
He packed us sad, and he went asign with another
and he'd been waiting seven weeks to get back on
the field. And you know that coach or the boss
of that l plan the Warriors, he made that guy supper.
And I just think I don't care. I mean Chris Pink,

(17:21):
I mean he was on the radio TV this morning
openly saying. Reporters were saying, you know, nationally and p's
have told us that you have wrung them about collecting
numbers for Erica Stanford, and he said three or four times, no,
I haven't, No, I haven't. Now, if we find out
because it leaked one of those phone calls and that,
and we find out that he blatantly, blatantly lied to

(17:45):
the public, he's got to go.

Speaker 12 (17:47):
How could you have accust them?

Speaker 13 (17:48):
Agin?

Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's a tricky position for Christopher Lutson to be in, though,
isn't it trivor that if he starts sacking the center's
left right and sent to God knows how many of
them took part in this particular vote. You know, it
was leaked from the vote in April that the numbers
were in the vicinity of twenty seven to twenty two
in favor. So if you start going down that track
and you sack half your haucas Perhaps it is as

(18:10):
Barry said, and I don't like, you know the fact
that he may have to do this, But perhaps promoting
those dissenters and keeping your enemies close this is the
best way to get unity. But it's a funny thing politics,
isn't it. And when it comes to the likes of
National Party or any party, it is not like you
get to pick the team completely that when Christopher Luckxon
came in there there was some long serving MPs. There

(18:30):
are candidates that get selected for various seats, but they've
got to win those seats. They get elected by the
people in that electorate. So it is a slightly different
situation to a sporting team, isn't it. It's a lot
harder to maintain that unity.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
Well no, yeah, but when you're in a team as
team first, and look, just caut you on Christopher Luxon.
I know, I'm getting a good time here, just on
Christopher Luckson. Look, you know, if he had lost this job,
this job, he would have been sad for a couple
of days, but he wouldn't care. He would just get
on with his life or take his wife and kids
probably overseas get a multi million dollar job where he's

(19:03):
getting money. But I can trust and I know that
Christopher Luxon is doing this job not for the money.
Good money. He's getting good money, but we know he's
not in this job for money. And you know, I
don't think it'd be any skin off his notes and
almost people lev me to go about Christopher Luxe and
put your CV what you have achieved in your life
against what Christopher Luxem's achieved, and ninety nine percent of

(19:26):
the people will be second interesting points.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Trevor, thank you very much for your thoughts on that.
What do you say, oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty A you with Trevor. Does Christopher lux need to
find these dissenters and sack them or demote them? Is
that the best way forward here to try and quarterize
this disunity? Is this the last time we're going to
see this before the election in November the seventh? And
are you happy that he has remained leader? Tell me

(19:49):
your thoughts. Nineteen ninety two is the text number. It
is bang on halp pass one. We've got the headlines
with Wendy. Then more of your thoughts. It is halp
pass one.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
You've talk said be headlines.

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Speaker 3 (21:02):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
When it is twenty six two two, so Christopher Luxen
has survived a vote within the National Caucus. Here is
how it played out about forty five minutes ago.

Speaker 15 (21:13):
As you know, this is an absolutely pivotal election with
some very very serious issues at stake for New Zealand.
We think we have made tremendous progress as a government,
rebuilding economic growth, financial discipline, restoring law and order, and
certainly strengthening education and healthcare. But we also acknowledge that
we have a lot more to do. Our plan to

(21:33):
fix the basics and to build the future is a
positive plan, a very positive plan to help New Zealand
realize the innate potential that it has. There was a
confidence voad of my leadership this morning at our caucus meeting.
I have the full support of our caucus, and our
caucus is united and it is determined to win this election.
Our focus is on National's positive plan to fix the

(21:55):
basics and to build the future, so that we realize
the incredible potential that sits in this country, and that
we set it up for our kids and our grandkids
so they can do better than we can. It's also
an opportunity to frame the choice for which is Crystal
Claire on November seventh, an opposition that wants to take
New Zealand backwards or a national government that wants to

(22:16):
fix the basics and build the future of the plan
that takes New Zealand forward. With that, I want to
say thanks everyone, We're going back to work and we're
moving on.

Speaker 16 (22:25):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Fifty two seconds is all that it took for Christoph
Lucksm to come out and say the full confidence of
his caucus and was not going to take any questions.
So what needs to happen now? Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? How do
you feel about the National Party heading into the election?
Is this done and dusted? Does this give you renewed
confidence in Christopher Luxen to lead that party for do

(22:48):
you think they may even get a boost out of this?
And Winston Peters has just put a small statement on
x and he said despite days of speculation, the caucus
meeting was much ado about nothing. He says, this pivotal
election is less than three months away and they need
to give voters a clear and unified message that they
are going to win and make New Zealand great again.

(23:08):
So that's Whinston Peter's coming out after that vote this morning.
But what do you say, Aaron, your thoughts?

Speaker 17 (23:15):
Yeah, good, Tyler, Yeah, a lot of thoughts about this
because earlier in the week you could see it coming
and for me, it's a media beat up. What would
have happened is there wasn't a lot of stories around
for the week. Some reporters start bringing people that they
look at the numbers and they go, a couple of
people in the National Party are going to lose seats
this year. So they start bringing around those people. Ask

(23:38):
enough questions, you'll eventually get an answer that you want,
and that is that maybe there should be change. That
turns into there should be a leadership vote, so on
and so forth, shouldn't change the leader. What we got
today was all about one word, and that is stability.
You've got He's called everyone in and said, look, what's
the problem. Do we have a problem or not. Everyone's gone, no,

(24:00):
we think we can get there. It's going to be
a super tight election. I think they will scrape through
because offering stability and that's what we've shown today and
someone was just trying to throw in a bit of instability,
and the public get us say and like, what are
we twelve weeks time or something? They get to go
for instability and radical change is then or just more

(24:22):
of the same, just steady the ship. Let's rebuild the economy.
But you won't get the radical change and the fun stuff,
but you'll get a rebuild and some stability. So people
get to choose going forward.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, I think people absolutely today, yeah, and I think
people absolutely want stability going forward into the election, whether
they're getting that or not and whether this changes things.
But with the dissenters erin, I mean, can you really
sit by and allow that to happen? This Macavelian situation,
bys that some people are talking to, some journalists in
the media, they're stirring the pot. As the leader of

(24:54):
a party, can you just sit there and take it
or even promote them to try and keep your enemies close.
I mean, don't you need to cauterize that sort of
stuff or it's just going to keep happening again. You've
got to make an example.

Speaker 17 (25:04):
I grew up a bit old school, so you don't
promote good behavior. You tended to get the opposite when
you misbehaved, and it gave you strong boundaries. So no,
you can't promote bad behavior. But just in fairness to
some of those that would have got that have stepped
out of line here, they were probably sucked into it.

(25:24):
They would have been throwing a whole lot of questions.
I don't think anyone actually got organized and went around
trying to do an overthrow. That's off the cards. What
happened as the media managed to turn it into a story,
just like some of the stuff last week they were
trying to turn into a story because when you look
at some of the names in the media, they're essentially
labor party hacks working in a job, a paid job.

(25:47):
So they're just trying to create some instability, and you know,
freedom of speech, they can do that, but you know
some of us can see straight through it and kind
of go, you have nothing to see here. Let's get
on with making Like Winston said, make New Zealand great again.
Good on them, and he's come out and not said
folk for New Zealand. First, he said we will create

(26:07):
a government. So what does that tell you? That tells
you that even him who can often take the rugout
from undera has come out and said, no, no, nothing
to see here, Let's get on with making you sound
great again. I think that's one of the best statements
of the day.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Well, some of these scenarios not thought out as much
as they should have been. Your think are and you know,
if we're looking at a potential change in leadership, whoever
that may be, it wasn't as simple as someone becomes
le a leader, Chris gets pushed to the site and
they become prime minister. You've got to get the sign
off from New Zealand first and act as coalition partners.
Then you've got to get the Governor General to sign
that off. And then there was a risk anyone who
jumps into that leadership position and national take a hammering

(26:44):
and they become a poison chalice and have never seen
from again. You know, do you think those elements were
not thought out enough before people started leaking to the media.

Speaker 17 (26:54):
I don't think they were leaking to the media. I think,
like I'll say it again, the media would have come
to them and they have created the story and you
get people that you know, weak people have weak nie
and they've just yielded to it. When you're a team player,
you stick with the team, and if you lose your
seat this time, that's just the role of the cards.
But if you're a good politician, you'll be back again,

(27:16):
and you can do that multiple times and then you'll
work your way up the list or get into a
more favorable seat and you can have a longer career
in politics. But if you're just one of the ones
that's right in at the end, of course, you're going
to be a bit weak need and that's what's probably
happened here. I think they got deeped and there was
never a leadership challenge. It's just no one like you

(27:39):
just pointed out all the reasons why there would not
be a leadership challenge as far out from the election,
makes no sense. They actually polled well last week. Yes,
it's the dumbest have done.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, it was a massive own goal. But for you yourself, Aaron,
I mean, you've never been afraid to call out people
around the council table who have been misbehaving or saying
dumb things or trying to manipulate situation. So is it
any different in Central.

Speaker 17 (28:02):
No, No, it's the same thing. And I'm one of
those people because I opened the mouth of that much.
Get myself in as well, and you've got to. But
I like to tell people what I'm thinking. A lot
of people complain that. They go, oh, we don't know
what they think or what they say. You'll never never
die wondering with me. And there's other people around like

(28:23):
that means I'm not Prime minister material, But you know,
I'm fine with that. I quite like the council and
we've built a great one in christ Church and christ
Church has become the place to be. But you do
that by working with people. You might disagree on issues,
but you play the issue, not the man. And New
zeal intends to spend way too much time talking about
the people in politics rather than the policies. And every

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party has some good policies, but your people have got
to get out and have a listen. And if people
went out and listened to Christopher lux and speak, they
would probably go, oh wow, that's a lot different to
what I get in the news. I need to back
this guy, or no, I don't like this guy. I'll
listen to someone else now. But people, all the swing
voters out there need to go and have a good
listen to what each of these candidates are offering and

(29:06):
I think then you'll find that national walk cementok place
in win.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Just nicely said Aaron, and I agree. I hope people
do do that. We're only well less than three months
away from the election, so we need people focusing on
the policies rather than the drama. But always appreciate you
giving us a buzz, are you with Aaron Old? Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Eighteen to two back very shortly wh we have a chat,
was zaying he's a left based voter, so he wants

(29:33):
to give his perspective.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
That will be interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
That is next the big stories, the big issues, the
big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons used talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
It is a quarter to two, Sir Christopher Larkson has
survived as leader of the National Party. Does this change
how you think ahead of the election on November the
seventh if you were a National supporter or still are,
Is this the best outcome for you? And do you
think this quarterizes the disunity that was happening within the party. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call,

(30:04):
and I'll get to some of your texts coming through shortly,
but zay afternoon to you.

Speaker 10 (30:09):
Yeah, game mate.

Speaker 18 (30:10):
Heah as you said that left block, left block voters
voters zaying, I've got obviously a totally different view from
most of your callers of him so far. I think
this is absolutely the best result for the left block.
I think it makes national look a mess. Here's one

(30:31):
guy say, Luxlan came out, was really decisive. No, he
gave a fifty four second press conference and he just
left so much open in the year when New Zealand
public deserved better, in my opinion, like he's left that
now open for every time he has a press conference

(30:52):
or makes a policy announcement.

Speaker 11 (30:54):
You know, obviously the journalist has got.

Speaker 18 (30:57):
To ask yes, but it's this policy got the full
backing of your of your party because you know, because
of all that's going on, it just doesn't fit. And
the guy that said that, Chris Pink was lying. Now
I don't know whether that's straw or not. That's for
others to figure out or decide, but Christopher Fucci, in
my opinion, was lying in that press conference. He can't

(31:18):
have the full backing of his caucus because number one,
the whips aren't allowed to tell him the result. And
at number two, what would have been the point of
having a vote if he had the full support of
his caucus, So that just cannot be true. And just lastly,
on sacking caucus.

Speaker 11 (31:38):
Members, it's a hell of a rigmarole.

Speaker 18 (31:40):
While I was waiting for you, I did a bit
of the old AI to find out the process. If
he can't sack once, suck a caucus member on their own. Okay,
he could suck a cabinet member and a minister from
their post, but not a caucus member because if they
won their electric seat, nestill lose that seat. If they
go through the process.

Speaker 11 (32:01):
To dismiss them, he can.

Speaker 19 (32:05):
Devote them, demote them from.

Speaker 18 (32:06):
What if they're just a caucus men but that doesn't
have a ministerial post, then he can't know there's nothing
to demote him from.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
So I know they've just put out the letter. I
know they've just put out the list, but they could
do that again. Theoretically, he could do the list again
if if you wanted to, if you wanted to go
full Utuo on it and say I'm gonna purge and
punish the people who did this, because we don't need
these sort of people within the party. Here's the list
and everybody who tried to stir the potters at the bottom. Yeah,
he could do that, but as Barry Soper mentioned, is

(32:36):
that a wise strategic move? Is it better to go
to the hell from the letter?

Speaker 18 (32:40):
But if you're if you're if you're going for an
electric seat, and then you're not really worried about the list.
If you're if you're likely to like is he really
going to sack Chris Bishop and Stanford from their cabinet post?

Speaker 20 (32:55):
No?

Speaker 6 (32:56):
So?

Speaker 18 (32:56):
But but what this does, boy keeping lux and on
it now just opens up every time that he opens
his mouth in public to well, are you sure everyone's
united up this policy? You'll now promoted from the National Party?
I mean, because this that and it's a complete nutther miss.

Speaker 11 (33:15):
I believe I wasn't as.

Speaker 18 (33:18):
Confident as yesterday, especially because I'm not a great fan
of hipkins, But I believe more than ever now that
they have opened the door really widely now for the
left block to win. And I'll tell you what, it's
going to be very interesting tonight. What the one used
variant poll is because that's going to be out of
date almost immediately. What we need is the next pole,

(33:39):
you know, after.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
This one, Zay. I mean it could go the other way.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
And you know that this could be a bit of
a boost for the National Party that Christoph Luxen's managed
to hold this off twice and shut down these dissenters.
That can be seen as a sign of strength moving ahead.
So it could go the other way as well, my friend,
they could see a bit of a boost here.

Speaker 11 (33:56):
But he won't talk about it. He won't take questions.

Speaker 18 (33:58):
He runs away.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Oh he's going to have you eventually. I mean he
shut down questions yesterday, but he's going to have to
do with all.

Speaker 18 (34:03):
The priests there but the whole country waiting and listening.
He didn't he didn't have the go to take Christians
from Remember, the press are asking questions on behalf of us.
So I know a lot of National supporters like to
ring up and say, well you know this is all
all the media beat up. Well, well no, I want

(34:23):
to hear via the press what the Prime.

Speaker 11 (34:27):
Minister has got to say about the descent, and he
just ran away and see nothing.

Speaker 18 (34:32):
So he's opened it up for further, you know, mumblings
behind the scenes.

Speaker 10 (34:36):
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Knows there enough too say and this is good, this
is good.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
But do you really think that something like this would
see traditionally Write supporters or National voters really go to
the likes of Labor because there's to be frank here.
Both parties are not doing particularly well at the time.

Speaker 18 (34:50):
But remember National got thirty eight or thirty nine at
the last election and now they're averaging around thirty So no,
those core thirty percent. No, it said eight to nine
percent that National looking to get back that they're the
ones I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
About saying good to get your perspective and you've let
up to eat tex machines. You can imagine, mate, but
really appreciate it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. So
what do you say to Zane, he self confessed is
a left voter. Do you think this is going to
play well for Labor or do you disagree? Do you
potentially see this as being a bit of a boost
for National in the polls he's managed to hold them

(35:24):
off twice. Does that show strength to some people?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
It may do. What do you say? Nine to nine
two is the text and oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number. It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
News dogsb Dogs their b It is seven to two.
Zane has lit up the text machine. I'll get to
some of those very shortly. But Joseph your view.

Speaker 21 (35:51):
Cure.

Speaker 19 (35:52):
I'm not saying they should have rolled in three months out,
that it's very tough position to spare, but I'd pick
up on what Barry said earlier and Zay naturally as well.
I've like thing can only dish out the tough medicine
after the election. That means he can't just flan one
now for the next eighty seven days. He's leaving a
caucus that he has no authority over, and then he's

(36:15):
just walked out and said that our caucus is united.

Speaker 22 (36:18):
Tyler.

Speaker 19 (36:19):
He said that in April he told us that his
caucus had backed him decisively and that the matter was closed,
and men sixteen weeks later, he's flying MPs into Wellington
mid recess to do it all again. Same words and
same results.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
But don't you think the second time it does project
more strength that any of these dissenters, whoever try this again.
They've been shut down twice.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
They thought they had the numbers, they had the arrogance
of the self selfishness to think they could pull this off.
He's proven them wrong twice. I mean, they're not going
to have the cajones to try that again, right. And
then the ramifications of this from then is there's a
bunch of names flying around. You know, Pink has been mentioned,
Stanford Worstship, There's so many names flying around. Now, how

(37:05):
is that going to look for those who are not
listed MPs for their own electric You know, that is
not a good look for them. And they cannot defend
themselves without coming up and saying yes, it was me
that spoke to Thomas Coglin. So they have put themselves
into a very precarious position as well.

Speaker 19 (37:20):
Look like, yeah, you have a point there, But again
I'd say he said that last time. He said that
in April, so why would anyone believe it this time?
The party's just shine the country doesn't beg his own
leader and kept them anyway. I think there's worth both
words for all involved.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
All right, Joseph, thank you very much for your view.
Do you agree with Joseph?

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Do you think this has weakened Christopher Luckson's positions leader
of the National Party. Plenty of texts coming through nineteen
nine to if you want to send one, Tyler your
opinionated labor votersaying had his thoughts, but I don't share them.
Maybe he could slow down for everyone to understand him.
That's from Kiirama. Thank you for your text there. Christopher

(38:03):
is the adult in the room. He will not do
anything about the leakers until after the election. He will
not say what happened to Caucus. That is a definite no.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
He will move on stronger than ever and when the election.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Ask your critical callers, who is the most preferred prime
minister in the polls?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Question mark?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
That's from c l Well, according to a poll that
came out this morning, Actually that would be Christopher Lucksen,
not by a landslide, the most preferred prime minister, I
believe by seventeen percent. But I will double check that
particular pole that came out this morning. This one says
very happy Christopher Luckson has been confirmed as the prime minister.
Here's the person to lead the country to a better

(38:41):
economic future. With the geopolitical state of the world at
the moment, we need strong leadership.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Good luck to him.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
That is from June. We're going to keep this going
after two o'clock. So I want to hear from you.
O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty Christopher Luckxen
has survived as leader. Does this weekend the National Party
going into the election in November or does it strengthen it?
Is this the right move for that particular party? Tell
me your thoughts, New Sport and whether or on its
way with Wendy Petree. Great to have your company on

(39:08):
this Wednesday afternoon. Stay right here.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I'll be back in a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Talk said the afternoon to you, welcome back into the show.
Six pass two. We're going to carry on our discussion
about Christopher Larkson retaining the leadership of the National Party.
But just heads up, we've got Gareth abdenor employment relations
expert with us after three o'clock. He'll be taking your
calls and questions, any issues you've got in your work plates.

(39:43):
He is the man to chat to. He only joins
us once a month. It's always very popular. So if
you want to get in right now, you can text
nine to nine to two and we'll bump you up
the queue after three o'clock. But in the meantime, back
to our discussion. Christopher Luxon says he's got the full
support of his caucus following that confidence vote on his
leadership this morning. Here is the press conference he held afterwards.

Speaker 15 (40:06):
There was a confidence vote of my leadership this morning
at our caucus meeting. I have the full support of
our caucus, and our caucus is united and it is
determined to win this election. Our focus is on National's
positive plan to fix the basics and to build the future,
so that we realized the incredible potential that sits in
this country and that we set it up for our

(40:26):
kids and our grandkids so they can do better than
we can. It's also an opportunity to frame the choice
for voters, which is Crystal Claire on November seventh, an
opposition that wants to take New Zealand backwards or a
national government that wants to fix the basics and build
the future of the plan that takes New Zealand forward.
With that, I want to say thanks everyone. We're going

(40:48):
back to work and we're moving on.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Thank you very much. So there he was fifty two seconds.
He said his pace.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
He said he had the full confidence of his caucus
and he didn't want to take questions at this stage.
He's going to have to front up to questions eventually.
Bear in a mind that we've got an election in
less than three months time. But what do you say
at eighty ten eighty does a strengthen the National Party
heading into the election?

Speaker 3 (41:12):
In your eyes? What do you reckon? Chris? How are
you mates?

Speaker 23 (41:16):
Okay? Mate? Hey, I think this is a good situation.
He's locked and till one year from the next election
in four years. Like he said, he only wanted to
be a prime minister for two terms and then with
a year to go, hand it over to the next leader.
So like so that has played out because going to

(41:39):
the next election with Luxe and as the National leader,
he will be able to keep these two other parties
on the side in the coalition, you know, engaged. You know,
it would be hard for him National want to rule alone.

Speaker 19 (41:57):
So labor.

Speaker 23 (41:59):
So what I was thinking about is, now that we've
had this, and I'm not talking about you personally for
the station, I'm talking about the med in general, they
now need to turn around and have a look and right,
what's labor doing because we all know what National is
doing in the in the governance. What are they doing

(42:20):
nine new taxes on people that are working hard, you know, investing,
trying to get ahead and play the game of life.
And all I hear from these parties on the left, well,
you're doing all right, so we can nick it a
little bit more off you to pay for our lazy losers.

Speaker 10 (42:42):
I don't think that's a.

Speaker 23 (42:43):
Cool way to get into governance by just trying to
get losers to vote for you.

Speaker 12 (42:50):
Reckon.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
It's a different situation for the opposition, isn't it. And
let's not pretend that the left parties have been you know,
kept their moral stance yet party Maldi's imploded. The Greens
have had a who of a time with various MPs
getting into into various trouble crime wise, they've had a
couple of their MP's been seen intence for various crimes,
so they haven't been above board. But when you're in

(43:11):
the opposition like Labor, I mean, you've got the ability
to just keep your head down and shut up and
not do anything and hope that the other guy's implode.
It is a different situation when you're in government. You
don't have that same flexibility and luxury to do that.
And you know, on the question of media, like a
lot of text are coming through in that regard. But
what is a reporter to do, a political reporter to do?

(43:33):
Like Thomas Coglin And I don't know Thomas that well,
but what I do know of him is that he
does seem to have integrity, and that's important. But when
a member of the National Party comes to you and
says there's murmuringes there's change going to happen. As a reporter,
you can't just sit on that information. And I don't
know who spoke to Thomas, and I don't think he
can release that. That's the whole thing about sources. But

(43:53):
I don't think you can put that entirely on the media.
Isn't that on whoever decided to speak to Thomas in
the first place? And many other media.

Speaker 23 (44:02):
Look, I agree, so for example, if you have an
mpity that goes to a person in the media and
say there's rumblings. I mean, I personally would like the
idea that they keep those rumblings internal and to do that.
We've heard about people talking about teams Aaron hen from

(44:24):
christ Church, what a legend politician he is in our
local council. But when you've got people on the backbench
roughly feathers ninety days out from an election, that is
just stupiditive, like they are costing themselves their seats because

(44:45):
it was and I've heard over the last twenty four
hours that a lot of people who were national voters,
if we ditch Chris, we will go to act or
New Zealand first. And even though that's still within the
same bandwidth of a coalition government, it gives these more

(45:05):
seats to the other parties to push their agena. So
it was a political sabotage for that person on the
backbench role.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
And I think I think most people can see that,
right Chris. I mean, looking at the polling as it
stands in the Herald's poll of polls, you can see
the very very narrow margin that the Left block has
to get into government. So why you would think it
is wise to speak to reporters about murmurings within a
party that was actually doing fairly well overall that as

(45:40):
a coalition and with their coalition partners, we're looking likely
and still are, that they are going to take out
this election. Why you would start to try and throw
the cat amongst the pigeons. It's insanity. Most people can
see that. But whether you can quarterize that by naming
and shaming, as Barry Soper said Christoph Luxam, will know

(46:00):
who was stirring the pot, who was winging, who was talking.
But whether you can air that out in the public
and say we know who it is, we're going to
get rid of them. Do you think that would help
the National Party or may backfire?

Speaker 23 (46:13):
I honestly do think that there should be personal responsibility
for anyone who wants to unseat a prime minister to
put their hand up and say it was me, and
then you can live and die by the sword in
your own electorate. For via your pabulists, For people to

(46:34):
try and destabilize a three party coalition ninety days out
for an election, and you're a backbencher of Yes, the
major party, but you're scared of losing your job. You
are an absolute look on that party, you know, like that,

(46:56):
that's unforgivable.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I mean, just going back to your original point on
what Christopher Luxen would have said in that meeting. Who
knows and whether will ever find out. Maybe when he
retires from politics and writes a book, maybe then we'll
find out what was said. But maybe that was it, Chris.
Maybe he did say that, you know, we need to
have unity here and we can have no more dissent.
But maybe he did say to a leader in waiting,

(47:18):
whoever that may be, you will get your shot. I
am going to lead this party into the next election,
and you are going to get your shot at some stage.
If you try and take this off me now, it
is not going to end well for you. It's not
going to end well for the party. So let's do
this properly. Maybe maybe that is what was said, But
again that speculation, but you cannot deny he's fought them
off twice, which is an achievement in itself.

Speaker 23 (47:40):
Absolutely, And I look back to the days of the
John t government and when he gave that over till
Bill English to continue it that that didn't work well
for National but that there was a secession plan. Yeah,
like a right, I've done him a bit. I'm out

(48:01):
now here, go and you do it like mister Luxon
will do the same thing and probably promote the person
he thinks is best to take over from him, because
he's leading a country whose economy needs a repair mode

(48:23):
prime minister, and with that comes a heck of a duty.
And so when we see this come through, then he
will say, oh, which one of my ministers did a
good job, whether was education or police or whatever, who
turned that around and made that really efficient. Now that's

(48:43):
the person I'm going to put in charge, or it's
not in charge, but like vote that, I think that
is right. So all of these ministers right now haven't
changed their portfolios much because all of the changes they're
making to make this economy better they haven't been fruitful yet.

(49:06):
They're still developing the changes to get the change to occur,
and that all takes years.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Chris, thank you very much for your thoughts as always, Mate,
really appreciate it. Do you agree with Chris I eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Is this the best outcome
to Christopher Larks and make a master stroke here? And
is he the right person to lead national into the
election and win again with his coalition partners.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number couple of texts here, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
I love it. The lefty media left hanging.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
They try to chase him out, and there's our prime
minister for the next three years. This one from Chris says,
thank goodness, hopefully that will now shut some media up.
They cause both the leadership issues. They need to now
back off and let the government get on with their
job and hopefully win the election. And this one, Tyler,

(49:55):
do you think somebody got on the pisce with a journo,
opened their mouths and boom.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Who knows? Who knows?

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Keep those texts coming through? On nine two nine two
it is seventeen pasts two back very surely.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
W of afternoon talk mad he than Tyler Adams afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
It is twenty pass too. Are plenty of texts coming through.
This one sees get a tiler. I think Luxon is
the right person in the lead national but given this
is the second challenge, and I doubt the last. I
don't know why he doesn't quit and go fishing for
a month. That is what I would do, and find
something else to do that was more rewarding. That's from John. Yeah,
you gotta say that about Christopher Luxon, and he's not

(50:38):
the only one, but he doesn't need to be there
on financial matters, does it. So clearly he thinks he's
got something to give the country. And maybe it's just
his ambition that saw him wanting to stare down these
detractors and carry on as leader. Sometimes pride comes into
it as well, Right, Jason, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 10 (50:58):
Yeah, it's an interesting one.

Speaker 12 (51:00):
I think what's happening here is why you've got these
rotten apples in his own carcus is a little bit
indicative of how the country feels about Chris Lutson, and
that half of it, or maybe less than half, sort
of it's a constant jury out with him, Like you'll
hear him speak to my costings one one week, or
carry him a guy over on another. And he knows
his stuff, or it comes across, he knows the stuff,

(51:21):
and he sort of thinks go one step forward and
then a few steps backwards as which is what's led
to this latest challenge. But look, I'm think that's what's
happening here, I think, and that's going to constantly happen
because he doesn't quite convince his own party, as he's
not convincing the voter base. And look, I think it

(51:42):
has been chances now and there's definitely been glasful damage
done to his credibility. I mean, there's absolutely no doubt
about that. I think the best thing he can do
now and I spoke to him about this when he
was on a morning speak to the Prime Minister with
Carry a few months ago, and I said, the best
thing your party can do, including yourself, because he's really
bad at this guys, is just give no airtime to

(52:03):
the opposition. Don't say you know you're trying to fix
the country because you've had nearly three years to do
that yourselves. Stop blaming the Labor Party, the prior government,
stop blaming COVID, and just just because of a really
clear set of policies, and just get onward. And I
would give them the best chance they've got of winning
this general election in three months time is to absolutely

(52:24):
almost pretend there is no opposition. Don't even talk about them.
And it annoys me and ifiss his press secretary or
does his media work for him. And I tried to
tell him this and I think he sort of half
got it. Is do not give them any airtime because
you're already giving them at time with what's happening now.
If you really want to be successful, just talk about

(52:46):
the strengths of your coalitions, which it is a really
strong coalition. They've got a lot of stuff over the
line in the last couple of years. Is focus on that,
and don't even talk about the leftlock.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
I think you're onto something there, Jason.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I mean, I always think you've got your first term
if you want to look back and give some context
about why things aren't as good as they should be,
because it takes time. Yeah, three years is kind of
a they're dangerously close to that now, but I think
you're right. I think once you get into the second
term and if they win it, and according to current
polling it looks like they're in with a good shot

(53:18):
with their coalition partners, but at some point you do
have to talk about what you're doing, and you've got
to give people their hope rather than looking back and
saying it's screwed because of these guys, you've got to
start saying we're going to fix it because of us.
This is our plan forget about those other guys.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
We've moved on.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
It's three years now, and give us another three years
and we promise you we're going to get to a
far better place.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
It's probably better messaging going forward.

Speaker 12 (53:43):
Yeah. Look, I mean and as best minister who's great
at that, and he's a couple of senior onto are not.
So is Erica Stanford and she'll never ever, you've never
heard him once mention the failings of the previous education
under the previous lot. She she just gets on and
gets it. That's why she's such a brilliant minister. But
you've got others and you know, Finance Minister is constantly
going on about the other lot and you're not fooling

(54:05):
anyone because we're not stupid enough to know of the
previous administration. We can look that out ourselves. We will
be more convinced with his leadership if he just talks
about the strengths of what he brings and just creates
that unified solidity with his senior ministers, and that is
more likely to get them across In November.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Thank you very much for your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Jason nicely said, do you agree with Jason O eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty With all that has
happened and all the rumblings around Christopher Larkson's leadership, is
this time for a bit of a reset, that this
is time that he can now start to change his
messaging and as Jason says, talk more about what they're
doing rather than what the last lot destroyed?

Speaker 3 (54:43):
What did you say? Nine two ninety two is the
text number? It is twenty four past two.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
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Speaker 3 (55:06):
It is twenty six past two.

Speaker 21 (55:08):
Mark his.

Speaker 22 (55:12):
I heard zaying go of wanting an answer, But what's
he wanting? What is he wanting an answer to? Because
it is all made up type thing?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
So where does it go?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (55:26):
So?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
So an answer from Christopher.

Speaker 22 (55:28):
Luxen, Yeah, because I was thinking Christopher Lupson is just
winding it out for two hours or so so he
can say to his listeners or said be and everywhere
else the critics, there's nothing to be seen. And basically

(55:49):
that's what he's done.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, he's going to have to front up at some stage, though,
wasn't Mark, I hear what you're saying. And this is
you know, a political strategy is when things like this
happen and you don't want to give any more credibility
than you shut it down. And that's exactly what he did.
That's what he did in April. To be frank, he
had a very short press conference then and then when
there were questions to him, he said, I'm not going
to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going
to talk about that. It's a distraction. Let's move on.
So that is a political strategy.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
But at some stage, whether he's on with Mike or
whether he's on with hither this afternoon or later this week,
he is going to have to answer those questions eventually.

Speaker 7 (56:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (56:24):
But again, well.

Speaker 22 (56:27):
The questions he's answering is from the media snowboarding everything.
I'm not saying justice, I'm not saying yourself. Yeah, I
mean it started from Kerry Woodham asking a question and
he answered it honestly, and then it's been snowballed. Everyone
jumped on the bandwagon.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Well, yeah, there was a storm in a teacup.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I've said that many times this week and that absolutely
was that wasn't that controversial to put out an opinion
as the Prime Minister, as the leader of the National
Party said he wouldn't be against a referendum on MMP,
and everybody blows up and saying, what a snare foo.
I just didn't buy that. But there will be questions
around the dissenter's mark. You know, how do you return

(57:08):
paying the unity within the party to make sure this
doesn't happen again, Because it's happened twice, and I think
that is a fair question to ask the leader of
the National Party. How do you maintain that these guys
aren't going to stir the pot one more time?

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Well?

Speaker 22 (57:24):
Is it someone actually stirring the pot? That's what I'm
asking because no one has said who they got the
information from. So do you know if they made it
up just for a story or.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Highly highly doubt.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
If we're talking about Thomas Coglin, who broke this story,
I would say an emphatic no it's not made up
here because if that ever gets if that ever gets
found out within journalistic circles, you know, journalists with integrity
and whatever you might think of what Thomas writes, he
does have integrity as a journalist. But that is the
most tenous crime, the most tenous crime you can do.

(58:01):
But if we're talking about the MP who spoke to him,
whether the information that he gave to Thomas may have
been hammed up, may have been utilized as a bit
of a manipulation game or to you know, try and
and get some traction on rolling luxe.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
And well that's another story, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (58:21):
Yes, And you also got the union advertising and pushing
to try and.

Speaker 17 (58:26):
Get rid of him.

Speaker 22 (58:28):
They've caused so many problems, the unions with putting the
price of everything up, because if nurses didn't get a
pay rise or that whoever. I mean, you can look
at the petrol as well.

Speaker 23 (58:43):
They've made huge profits.

Speaker 22 (58:45):
So why isn't that being handed back or being opened
up to stop all this inflation.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Well these are the questions that need to be put
to the political parties now, Mark, you're quite right, and
hopefully this puts a line in the sand and the
public at large, and maybe the political parties can start
focusing on those things which are actually having an impact
on regular kiwis right.

Speaker 22 (59:08):
Yeah, and thank you for listening to me. And because
I'm going absolutely nuts going out. Why is this happening
to such a lovely country? I'm not from here originally,
but and I go.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Wow, yeah, yeah, no, good on your mate. You've taken
the words out of a lot of people's mouths. So
you know, there's a lot of people who have a
lot of pride in this country, and we all hope
for better times ahead, and let's not be too negative
on it. There are a lot of signs across the
economy and across business and across hospitality and across many
industries that things are slowly improving and inflation has gone

(59:42):
down a lot, so there are a lot of signs
there that things are starting to get on the improve,
even though we've got international situations that put a spanner
in the works. But yeah, I think heating into the election,
where less than three months out, there's probably the things
we need to be focusing on. But what do you say, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

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Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
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our discussion about Christopher Luckxen winning the confidence of his
caucus and maintaining that position as leader of the National Party.
Is this the end of it in your eyes? Do
you think the National Party can move on as party

(01:02:08):
of one? And when the election in November, John, what's
your thoughts?

Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
Ah Well, I'll tell you what. The best political commentator
out there is very sober. He got it right and
he deserves his bottle of whiskey.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Mary Well. Actually a lot of a lot of well
informed people on the station.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
Yes, and yourself as well. And I do think that
the Prime Minister he got the job because he wants
to help the country. He talks about hope for the country,
et cetera. He's not in need for himself, he's not

(01:02:48):
self serving. He's done the hard work and other jobs
as well. He needed politics for the right reason. I mean,
let's face it, all politicians are there probably because they've
got an alter ego and at some stage they're probably
going to go out of office anyway. And unfortunately, at
this time of the political cycle or probably the tide

(01:03:13):
is turning a little bit for National But I think
they will win the election as part of a coalition,
and that's the thing you're vote. We're voting for a coalition,
not the National Party. We're not first past the post, correct,
And I think going forward that's what we've got to

(01:03:37):
think of. And I think it's been said by many
commentators that the large parties are going to shed votes,
if you like, into the future, we're going to see
more smaller parties. And Luxel has actually said that as well.
I mean overseas he got eleven party coalitions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah, and God for better. I mean, look, we may
have a situation if we stick with MP that we
get into that. But yeah, I think that's a part
of it, right John, is that and then MMP environ
that we've got Now the reality is, and you've seen
those trends change over the last twenty years since MMP
was implemented, that the reality is, the big parties of

(01:04:18):
old are not going to get close to that fifty
percent anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
It's just not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
A lot of those votes will go to the smaller
parties who can focus in on single issues or a
couple of issues and take away some of those votes
from the big two. And that was some of the
rumblings right that that when you look at the current
polling and nationals on GAVEL take thirty labors about thirty
as well, maybe a little bit less. But that was
some of the criticism directed towards Christopher Luxen without looking

(01:04:47):
at the wider scenario that is that just part of
our MMP system now, is that the reality of these
big parties that they will be thirty percent parties instead
of the forty to forty five that we once saw.
Even John Key, when you know Labor came through over fifty,
he said, I never thought I'd see that in MMP.
That was one for the history books. Very odd scenario,

(01:05:07):
and we all know how they're unfolded in the end.
But it's just not the reality of the system we've got.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Now, right.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
That's that's correct, and I think you might find and
and in fact, that's why we've got EMMENP and what
people wanted im MP, because we didn't want to see
the big swings that we used to have years ago
between the National Party and the Labor Party if you like,
All of a sudden, it was it was the cabinet,
if you like, of a particular party that would control politics.

(01:05:40):
The Labor Party would come on and it was the
people that were in the cabinet of that Labor Party
that controlled everything. They told the caucus what to do
that and then a few years later the National Party
would come up. And it's just by virtue of the
politics as well. When when they come into office, they

(01:06:03):
start ending up coming out of officer and a backbeach
GMT and e literally without being a minister, can work
their electorate and build up support, whereas when you're making decisions,
people are going to say, well, I hate that decision,

(01:06:23):
I'm not going to vote for them.

Speaker 23 (01:06:24):
Again.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
You might have the national profile as a cabinet minister,
but you're not going to necessarily have the support of
the electorate because you're not doing the things people want
in the electorate and you can't work your electorate, you
can't help the people to come in and want to
know about immigration and housing and all sorts of other problems.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
That is the balance, right John, Yeah, thank you very
much for your call. Various stute really appreciate it. Oh
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number I want
to hear your view. So, how do you feel about
the National Party going ahead to the election on November seventh?

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Is this a done deal?

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Is this solved the disunity situation happening within the party.
Do you think the National part he may even get
a bit of a boost from this, no doubt about it.
Christopher lux and fighting off the detractors are two times
is an achievement in itself. But what do you say
nine to nine two If you want to send a
text that is nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's mad Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
They'd be Simon, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 16 (01:07:33):
How are you, Tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Good mate? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 16 (01:07:36):
Yeah, I just wanted to take you back to the
Gentleman and wrote or that they had a meeting with us.

Speaker 13 (01:07:42):
The other day.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
You're talking about the business breeface.

Speaker 16 (01:07:45):
Yeah, the business breakfast. Then, just by a coincidence, I
happen to know the Gentleman because we're in the same trade,
and the very next day he just rung me to
order some product off me, and so I just questioned
them about it and he said he said yeah, he
said they were the media were just out to get
a story and throw lux in under the bus. He said,

(01:08:06):
they pressurized them to get a story out of him.
So it's just interesting to hear straight from the horse's
mouth and what actually went on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Yeah, that is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I mean that again, there's been a lot made of
the so called horrible couple of weeks that Christopher Luxeon
has had, and it started off with that particular breakfast,
and then a lot was made of the MMP comments
on with Kerry last week as well. But yeah, I
look at that list of so called missteps from Christopher

(01:08:36):
Luxon and I just think many of them were storms
in a tea cup. And we spoke about those comments
on the show not long after he said them, and
the vast majority of business owners that came through said, yeah,
speaking the truth, I know exactly what he's saying. We
don't need to wait for the government to do things
we need to. If anything, we need the government to
get out of our way. But we don't need to

(01:08:57):
sit there with cap in hand saying help us out.
We're business owners, you know, we know what we're doing here,
and we've got the ability to do it with or
without government.

Speaker 23 (01:09:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:09:07):
Well, I'm a business owner myself too. We've got suck
stuff and I'm yeah, it's been incredibly tough for the
last three years, but I would definitely that's all I want,
That's all I want.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
You just want to do out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I talk about out that someone who was in the audience.
Was this the person who asked the question, was it?

Speaker 7 (01:09:26):
Yees correct?

Speaker 23 (01:09:26):
Right?

Speaker 16 (01:09:27):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just happen to be doing
business with them, but no, I just don't. We just yeah,
has been tough, but and we don't get any handouts
from nobody. You just got to break your teeth and
get on with it. But you certainly want somebody running
the country that has a handle on economics, stinking you
don't want the other part.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
The other party is yet exactly Simon. Thank you very
much for that. Intel. Really great to hear from you.
That is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
What do you say to that O one hundred and
eighty ten eighty If you want to chime in, Peter,
I've got Peter that yep, got Peter?

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Game mate?

Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
Yeah, I can't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
How are you very good?

Speaker 10 (01:09:59):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
Look, I've watched toy this morning on breakfast and everything,
and I've listened to youse guys today and all the
US's going on a lot of But where is the
substance to the story. Where is the person that actually
said this is what's happened. That's what If the reporter
has got a story and everybody now is so doubting it,

(01:10:22):
let him front up and tell us who it was
until he can do that. Really, this, as I say,
it's speculation, it's the media having a got in. And
same with I hear with TV one. As I hear
from on there at night is from union union groups.
Union are not the actual companies that run the business,

(01:10:42):
like schools and stuff like that. Why aren't they talking
to the board members and things like that. I just
feel that our reporter side of it is all one sided.
I'm the labor supporters and them. Who knows that the
reporter could have actually run Crissipkins and ask him what
he thought.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Yeah, And I take your point, and I think you're right, Peter.
There's a lot of media in this country that have
their biases and may look to swing a certain direction.
That there's the left, and I think that's probably undeniable
with a lot of what we see. But when it
came to, you know, the story that kicked all this off.
And I don't know Thomas personally, so I've got no
real skin in this game. But he is a dedicated reporter.

(01:11:21):
He's got a good reputation and from what I hear
from other people that work with Thomas, he's got a
lot of integrity. And you know, I mentioned this before,
I've got a bit of stick about it and fair
enough too. But the point is there was somebody within
the national caucus who decided to speak to Thomas and
gave him that quote that kicked it all off. There
is going to be change at the top. It's not
a matter of if, it's a matter of when. And

(01:11:43):
that led to Christopher Larkxen calling this meeting that he's
now won and he stayed as leader. So that is
not a media problem in that instance, in my eyes, Peter,
that is a national Party MP problem. And if you're
a reporter, you don't sit on that. You've got to
you know, that is information that the public needs to
know because you're going to be voting for these guys.
Maybe you're not, but if you are going to be

(01:12:04):
voting for these guys, you need to know that it
is a unified party and they've got your best interests
at heart.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
I fully agree with that. Yeah, but what it gets
me is, like, you listened to tiber and she said
she's spoken to Martible sources. What are the source, Where
is the substance? Where is the actual fact? There's a
lot of heysay, but no actual detail for what's going on.
And you know, if I was Chris Luxon, I would
have called a caucus moving as well, let's put this to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Bed and kill it well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Worked out well for him. It was the right move
in the MP don't look. I doubted it yesterday, a
hand up. I thought it was a bit of a
foolish move for him to call that at that meeting,
But clearly, you know he's he's been in that position
for three years now, actually longer than three years, so
he knew what he was doing and knew the strategy
at hand. And god knows what he said in that
particular meeting, we'll never find out unless he writes a

(01:12:54):
book after he leaves politics, and I hope he does.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
But it was the right move for him in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
But yes, I mean, you're right when it comes to
the sources, and I don't think you can name the sources.
But what you do have to be very careful of
as a reporter, as a good reporter, is how much
emphasis you place on what you're hearing from those sources,
because those particular people may be wanting to screw the scrum,
They may be trying to leak information that might not
be quite correct, to steer something in a particular direction.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
So I think you're right on that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
Yeah, well it looks like it's you know, if you're
pushing from that side of it, if that's your political view,
a reporter should be biased and report both ways, which
you know, hopefully that's what the integrity of the teams.
But I see a lot of it on TV one
I believe is one sided.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Now fair enough to Peter, and you'll get a lot
of support on that, no doubt. Nine two niney two.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
If you want to jump in on what Peter was saying, Oh,
one hundred and eighty, ten eighty is that number to
call as well? It is ten to three back with
a few more calls. Great to every company this afternoon.
Stay right here. I'll be back in a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
The issues that affect.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
You, and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Thereby it is seven two three, So many tekes have
come through of the last hour and a half. This
one says, get a Tyler, right leaning government worker here. Yes,
there are some of us. I was having my doubts
about RISTOPHERLUCKSM because he didn't seem consistently on point. But
I've got to say after today's outcome, he's got some
cohorns man.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Good outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
He just needs to get it right with his media responses.
Great texts that one disagree with all of those. This
one comes from the opposite side of you disagree with
all those saying he's a strong leader. If he was
a strong leader, then the party wouldn't have been so fragmented.
He is going to have to work very hard to
rebuild the party, work on the culture and how the
party is perceived. People should not be blaming the other MP's.

(01:14:47):
If he was a strong leader, this wouldn't have occurred.
I'm a national voter and I personally wanted Erica to
be elected as the prime minister today. We need someone
to drive the party forward with cohesion and clarity into
the election. I don't believe Christopher LUCKXM will do that.
There is too much poor perception of him and the
economy is much worse off for many. Keep those texts

(01:15:07):
coming through, fell How are.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
You this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (01:15:11):
Not too bad thing?

Speaker 19 (01:15:11):
Tyler?

Speaker 17 (01:15:12):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Mates? What's your thoughts.

Speaker 24 (01:15:15):
Well, firstly, I'll try and get as much as I can,
because I've got a few. Firstly, I think they would
have cut their own throat, like Barry Soaper sort of
morally astared if they had he ousted him out or
voted him out and put someone else in there like
they were talking about the the Erica and the other

(01:15:36):
fellow bishop. I think. So I thought that I think
that would have been a bad move so close to
an election. And I was thinking. I listened to Zain's
call earlier on and I was thinking that it's all
about perception, isn't it, because he was saying how he
thought it's weakened him now and to be questioning everything
that he says now. But I actually think, and I'm

(01:15:58):
a left voter, well I have been most of my life,
but I actually adm what he's done. I actually think
he showed bold, decisive lead and it's actually, in my mind,
has made him stronger and the trait and it is
showing the trait of a real leader, like when the
stent in the house or the or the team or

(01:16:20):
the army or whatever, you know, if you whatever group
you're leading, and he's taken the bull by the horns
and cleaned the house, so to speak in that and said, right,
let's sort this out, which I think is a trade
of a leader for a start.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
But I agree Pel, you know that it takes bulls
to do that, and I think he's he's shone a
new light on perhaps some skills that he hasn't presented
that well in the public that you are facing down.
You know a lot of very selfish but ambitious people
who are in it for themselves a lot, and you've
managed to do that twice.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
You know that is some skill.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
When you are steering down the so called coup within
your own party and you come out for a second
time and say I've got the full confidence I've shut
them down, then that is an impressive feat. And whether
he's shown the ability to do that, he did it
in April, but he's done it for a second time.
I think you're right, that's a and achievement in itself.

Speaker 24 (01:17:10):
Yeah, yeah, I think so so big. I think big
ups to him, and it's a positive rather than a
negative thing. The other thing, too, I think, is I
think he's too he's too focused and too sensible to
actually do anything in terms of consequences. I think he's
he'll focus now on what they policy and what they

(01:17:32):
want to do and go ahead. He'll know now who
the people are or the person was, you know, that,
the the centers and that that we're swirling around. So
I think he'll put that in the back of his mind,
wait till after the election, and if they get re
elected again, I think then he might look at some
measures or clear in the house so to speak. But
I think too, I also think he's pragmatic and he

(01:17:55):
doesn't really hold grudges in that and that's part of
his business sense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Yeah, we'll find out after the election if they want
to thank you very much. That is where we'll leave it.
Because after three o'clock, Eareth.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Abdenaugh Employment Law is with us taking your calls on
O eight hundred eight.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Said, be a very good afternoon to you. Welcome back
into the shoulders seven pass three. Great to have your company.
We're going to put to bed the National Party situation.
There'll be plenty more on that with Heather after four
o'clock because right now we are joined once again by
Gareth Abdenoor. He's an employment, workplace and information expert and
director of Abdenoor Employment Law. He joins us once a

(01:18:43):
month to answer your questions. Have you got a problem
in your workplace? If you're the boss, you've got a
curly question you need answering. He is the man to
chat to, and he joins us right now. Gareth, afternoon
to you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Gooday, how you doing very good? I bet you're happy
you don't work in politics, Gareth.

Speaker 20 (01:19:00):
I certainly am. It's cut throat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Certainly is certainly is. I mean it's been a full
noise day and just on that a quick question. It's
come through straight away, Gareth, I'll put to you it
sskt A question for Gareth. Is unloyalty reason enough to
fire some very naughty politicians in my National Party without
fear of legal actions? Yours faithfully, Christopher Luxen PM.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
It's not really well.

Speaker 20 (01:19:23):
I'd been more than happy to assist our Prime minister,
but perhaps we do that off the air.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Yeah yeah, fair enough to mate, fair enough to so
keep your teas coming through on nine two ninety two,
and he has taken your calls at eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty always a very popular hour. To
make sure you get in early. Now before we get
to some of the text questions coming through, Gareth, Obviously
we've been hearing a lot about AI and the disruption
and the job market over the past twelve months, the

(01:19:50):
past eighteen months. Is that something you're seeing more and
more in your job I am.

Speaker 20 (01:19:56):
I'm seeing it on a daily basis now, Tyler, both
in terms of what people expected, which is a lot
of jobs really aren't aren't gonna exist anymore, especially when
they can be automated, when they can be absorbed by AI.
And I don't think people have really realized potentially how

(01:20:19):
big of an impact this is going to have. But
I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it on a day to
day basis. I guess what I'm finding even more interesting
is the huge business risk that employers are running, where
employees are using these free and inverted commas AI tools

(01:20:43):
and they're putting client information in them, They're putting commission
commissionally sensitive information in them, and they don't really know
where that information is going, how it's being used. And
I think it's a huge risk that people aren't really
live to yet.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Can businesses or should businesses be looking pretty closely at them?
At Gareth, You know, there is if you're part of
a business, particularly a big business, there's a lot of
rules you've got to take into account when you're using
technology or technology they've given you. Is that a part
of it now, that when it comes to the use
of AI, that that may be something businesses should be
looking at. An appropriate use of information you feed into

(01:21:25):
these things?

Speaker 20 (01:21:26):
Oh, definitely. I think it is really becoming a priority
and it's something that people really haven't thought enough about.
I mean, you'll remember a few years back, employees posting
questionable content on social media was the talk of the day,
and people eventually realize that what you do on social

(01:21:52):
media could have consequences for your employment. And I think
the same principle applies to use of AI. You know,
before you suddenly put client information into chat, GPT or
any of these other tools, you need to think about A.
Should I be doing this? B Does my employer permit

(01:22:16):
me to do this? And if so, what are the constraints? Yeah,
because I can really see the potential for it to
go horribly horribly wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
It's a brave new will Gareth, that's for sure, right
taking your calls, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
or if you want to send a text message nine
two nine two. Gareth is with us for around about
another forty minutes, so you better get in quick text here,
Gareth says, Hi, I have a small business and offered
a new position to a new employee. They signed the
contract and have just emailed to say that they've changed

(01:22:46):
their minds. Do I have any comeback? If I did
that after signing, they could sue me, says the text
to her.

Speaker 20 (01:22:53):
Wow, I guess the first comment I'd make is it
sounds like this employers maybe dodged a bullet because someone
who accepts a roll and then at the last minute
says they don't want it. Yeah, I expect they're going
to be problematic if they did join. This is one
of those situations where for years and years there have

(01:23:14):
been clauses in agreements saying if you don't give the
right amount of notice, then we can make deductions from
your pay. Of course, in this case the person hasn't
earned any pay yet. But those clauses are questionable in
terms of their enforceability. Anyway, if the employer in Kuru's

(01:23:35):
damage though, or suffers damage because this person hasn't turned up,
they may be able to pursue the person for that.
I expect that it's not going to be worth their
while though, and I would just chalk it up as
a dodging a bullet, Yeah, saving yourself some heartache. If

(01:23:57):
this is the kind of person that's going to pull
the pin at the eleventh hour, most probably not the
kind of person you wanted exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
At that point, Gareth, can you say you know, okay, fine,
you don't want it, You've signed the contract. I'm going
to dodge a bullet here, but then go back to
the second person that you probably already said, really sorry,
you didn't get the job. At that point, are you
legally allowed to go back to the person next in
line or do you have to go back to the
whole pilava of posting the advert and all the rest
of it.

Speaker 20 (01:24:25):
Yeah, it really depends on what sort of industry you
and if you're in the public sector, there's very strict
roles as to the process that you have to follow,
and I expect they would have to go through the
whole dog and pony show again in the private sector. Yeah,
you can definitely go to that the person who was
your second choice. You may have to butter them up

(01:24:46):
though and explain that even though they would second choice
and weren't successful, actually now there is an opportunity so
you might have to do some fancy talking there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Yeah, very good, right, taking your calls. O. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Gareth Abdenal Employment Workplace and Information
Expert and director of Abdenor Employment Law is with us
for another forty minutes. So if you've got an issue
in your work plan or with an employee, or you've
just got a curly question, here's a man to chat too.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Right now, if you preferred us into text nine two
ninety two. Is that number?

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
It is thirteen past three. Back in a few moments
you've talked said sixteen past three. We're joined by Gareth
Abdenall Employment, work Place an Information expert and director of
Abdenal Employment Law. Taking your calls on O eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty David Afternoon, two year You're on
with Gareth.

Speaker 10 (01:25:32):
Hi, Gareth, good afternoon.

Speaker 12 (01:25:36):
How can we help?

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:25:38):
Good, thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:25:40):
My partner is working in the hospitality industry. She's been
working there for four years now in an executive assistant role.
When she joined the entity, they had the role was
a full time role. But when she applied and then
she was shortlisted and went through the process, and because

(01:26:00):
of her family commitments, she would have wasn't able to
commit to the full hours, so they agreed to make
her a awage employee full time pastime. I don't know
if that makes sense, but over there three four years now,
they are now looking at the establishing the role. However,

(01:26:23):
they are not talking to her about the establishing. I
think they're conveniently frustrating her to leave. Does that qualify
for a redundant.

Speaker 20 (01:26:36):
Yeah, so there's quite a lot in that, David. If
the employer is looking to disestablish the role, then they
need to consult with your wife. And if they are
unable to redeploy her to another position on a similar
remuneration package, then it's likely that she would be made redundant. Now,

(01:27:04):
if they are just frustrating her and making her life
difficult and hoping she'll leave, then it may be that
she has grounds for personal grievance. If they want to
disestablish the role, they actually have to consult with her,
and there's a process that they have to follow. So
if they're not doing that, then you know, as I

(01:27:28):
always say on the show, she could ask them. She
could say, do you have any plans for the role?
Do you have an issue with the role. It's amazing
what you can achieve by actually asking the right question. Sometimes,
surprisingly the other side tells you what they're thinking, and

(01:27:49):
then you can make decisions based on that. Other times
it's a case of giving them enough rope and they
end up hanging themselves with it by saying the wrong thing,
which then is quite helpful. So I hope that helps.
But yeah, raise it with them, see what they have
to say.

Speaker 10 (01:28:10):
Yeah, I just wanted to because it seems to be
heading to an orchestra to dismissal type of situation where
I've advised that to keep diary notes of all the
discussions that do take place because it's annoying and quite
you know, it's a pretty large industry and I mean
it's a large corporate organizations, So.

Speaker 20 (01:28:32):
That's good advice. You know, keeping notes of discussions is
a good idea. The other thing that I sometimes suggest
to people was if they're having discussions with you, so
there isn't a paper trail. You know, sometimes you can
follow it up with an email going you know, it
was good talking about X, Y and Z. This is

(01:28:56):
what I understood the situation is, and that way you've
got a paper trail. Often in employment disputes, it's not
necessarily what happened, it's what you can prove happened, and
having either diary notes or emails can be very helpful
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Good luck, Yeah, good luck, David. All the best to
you and your WiFi. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a question for Gareth, text here Gareth. Hi, Well,
my part time worker in an office job eight thirty
to one thirty pm. I've been told I can't eat
at my desk and I need to take my half
hour break that extends my day. Can they make me
do that?

Speaker 6 (01:29:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:29:33):
This is one that comes up all the time. The
Holidays Act sets out very clearly when an employee is
entitled to a break, and sometimes employees don't want to
take those breaks because that extends the day. Of course,
it's a risk for the employer if they don't enforce

(01:29:57):
those breaks. Because I've dealt with a number of cases
where employees don't want to take their breaks and then
a year or two down the track they raise a
claim saying well you haven't allowed me to take my breaks.
So yeah, I think based on the information given to us, yes,
the employer can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Yeah, very good, Right, keep those taps coming through on
nine two ninety two, and your phone calls, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. We do prioritize calls, so
if you've got a question for Gareth, that is the
best way to get in. It's always very popular. Back
very shortly. It is twenty one past three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
It is twenty three pass three and we're joined by
Gareth Abdenoor. He's an employment lawyer, expert and director of
Abdenall Employment Loss.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Have you got a question? He is the man to
chat to. Let's go to Greg. You got a question
around privacy for Gareth Greek.

Speaker 25 (01:30:54):
Yeah, yeah, thanks, I've got an employer. Actually two of us.
My colleague and we both resigned on the same day
a number of years ago, basically because our employer was
doing something very dodgy, and we find now that well,
not so much him now, but my colleague. But when

(01:31:19):
people when you put an application in for a job,
the people you're applying for a job for, they actually
make contact with them. And because we left him together,
we resigned together to make a statement.

Speaker 13 (01:31:35):
Yeah, he doesn't speak very highly of us, and I've.

Speaker 25 (01:31:37):
Never given him permission to.

Speaker 23 (01:31:41):
Do reference checks or anything.

Speaker 25 (01:31:43):
Neither the employer erves.

Speaker 20 (01:31:46):
Yeah, that's a that's an awful situation to be and
but both your ex employer and your prospective new employer
sounds like they're breaking the law. So you can't contact
an applicant's previous employer unless they give you permission to

(01:32:09):
do so. Now, often that permission is not express, it's
they just put them as a referee in the CV
or the application. Now, if you haven't done that, someone
is not legally allowed to go and contact that previous employer,

(01:32:29):
and you may have a claim against either or both
of those parties for breaching your privacy. Pursuing a breach
of privacy claim is something that can take a long
time and often is not actually worth the effort. But

(01:32:52):
you can put them all notice from a practical perspective,
it may be better thinking about when you apply for
a job, who are you going to provide as referees
and how are you going to deal with the fact
that you don't want them to contact them previous employer,
you know, often say to people actually give an explanation

(01:33:16):
like I left that business under the following circumstances, and
so I don't want you contacting them, rather than just
hoping that they will comply with their obligations. You know,
we live in a village. The whole country is very small,
and often joke we've got one and a half degrees

(01:33:38):
of separation, and so people go, oh, well, I know, Bob,
I'll just give them a call, even though that's not legal.

Speaker 25 (01:33:48):
Yeah, it's just very frustrating because you get to a
point where you know they're about to employ you. But
I actually have on my CV that referees are available
on requests.

Speaker 6 (01:34:00):
Yeah and.

Speaker 17 (01:34:03):
That.

Speaker 20 (01:34:04):
But you know, I think given what's happening, it might
be a good idea to front foot that more. Actually
names of people that you're comfortable for them to contact,
rather than just saying available on request.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
It's a tough situation, Greg, but all the very best
for that and thank you very much for your phone call.
So oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've
got a question for Gareth, now is your opportunity quick
text question here. Gareth says, Hi, I left my job
as a building apprentice three months ago on good terms
with my employer, but he has not paid out my
holiday pay citing financial difficulties. I have tried to resolve

(01:34:42):
this with him but not getting anywhere. What advice would
you have for me to resolve this? That's from Lucas Wow.

Speaker 20 (01:34:49):
I think it says at all. If the employer is
saying they have financial difficulties and they can't pay out
holiday pay, you know that's a statutory payment that this
employee ex employee is entitled to. That sounds to me
like this company or businesses trading while being insolvent. If

(01:35:10):
you can't pay things that are due, then you are
insolvent and you should not be in business. What I
often find is quite effective in a situation like this
is to serve as statutory demand under the company's Act
on the business. If it's a company, if they don't

(01:35:31):
pay the amount, then they risk being put into liquidation.
It's amazing how often suddenly payment is received the very
next day. Yeah, So if it's a company that's that
might be the way you want to go. If it's
not a company, you might want to contact the labor Inspector.

(01:35:51):
Their details are available online and I'm sure they'd be
very interested in an employer that can't pay holiday pay.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
All the very best with that, Lucas, keep those teams
coming through. Nine to two one eighty is the number
to call if you've got a question for garethe's with
us for about another twenty five minutes. In the meantime,
Headlines with Wendy coming up twenty nine past.

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Minister and Y mukar Edi MP Matt Doocy says it's
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Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
I think it was the right result don't you agree?
I mean Chris for Luxeon's a great guy and he
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Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are joined by
Gareth abdena employment a lawyer, expert and director of Abdenal
Employment Law, taking your calls and questions on anything related
to your place of employment or if you're an employer.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
This is your opportunity. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty
is that number, Darren? You're on with Gareth?

Speaker 23 (01:37:45):
Hi?

Speaker 20 (01:37:46):
Gareth Hi, Darren?

Speaker 13 (01:37:48):
What can we help with.

Speaker 20 (01:37:50):
Yeah, Hi, so just kind of question.

Speaker 25 (01:37:52):
Really, if I was earning a certain amount fifty sixty
thousand a year and my and I looked at went
to my IR account and realized that that only declared
sort of ten thousand, eleven thousand, you know whatever it was.

Speaker 12 (01:38:05):
Of actually paye income.

Speaker 20 (01:38:12):
That's not ideal, was it?

Speaker 9 (01:38:14):
No?

Speaker 20 (01:38:16):
Well, I guess the first thing I would do is
I would raise that with the employer because is this
an accident or is this someone being very dodgy? Of course,
if they being dodgy, what what is the gain for them?
Is this so that they don't have to pay p

(01:38:37):
o ye they don't have p o ye to pay.
The first step, raise it with the employer, see what
they have to say, ask them to review it. If
you don't get any luck there, then I would be
I would be getting some legal advice because you need
to tread carefully because you don't want to be the

(01:38:59):
one left holding the bag. I guess I'm interested.

Speaker 26 (01:39:03):
Darren.

Speaker 20 (01:39:03):
You know, do you get pay slips? If you get
pay slips.

Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
In a note?

Speaker 20 (01:39:08):
Nos? Yeah, because you know if that is the case,
has the employer been deducting the money and not passing
it on to I I D or have they not
been deducting the money from your wages? So it's one
where I definitely want to tread carefully. You don't want

(01:39:28):
to get on the wrong side of I D. But yeah,
raise it with the employer first and see what they
have to say. But you're right to be concerned. That's
a big red flag.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yeah, okay, well the very best, Darren. It is a
tough situation to be in, but thank you very much
for your call.

Speaker 16 (01:39:46):
Get a Grege Tyler and Gareth A. Most situation is
an around on a salesperson. And I've got a quarterly bonus. Now,
I've been employment by current employer for over a year now,
and basically I haven't seen any of that bonus in

(01:40:06):
the first year I've been working there. I hear a
rumor that they didn't pay it out in the first year,
and I did. I think in January I did contact
pie manager to say, what is the story with our salesponents,
and didn't get any reply to that ever, So I
just wondering, Look, obviously I've got to have a conversation

(01:40:28):
with the company around this bonus going forward, but legally,
what am I entitled to for that here that I've
peply missed out.

Speaker 20 (01:40:39):
Yeah, that's a great question, and that's certainly not something
to be sneezed at, is it.

Speaker 12 (01:40:45):
Greg.

Speaker 20 (01:40:45):
The first step I suggest you look very carefully at
the paperwork regarding the bonus scheme. Is there a bonus
document or is it a clause in your employment agreement?
And check very carefully how it's worded. That may actually
answer your question as to when it's payable. Of course,

(01:41:08):
a lot of these bonus schemes aren't worded as well
as they could be, and they are a little bit ambiguous.
In that case, you need to raise it, and you
need to say, well, hang on a minute, I asked
the question back whenever you raised it, I never got
a response. What is the story? Why have I not

(01:41:31):
received this? It's supposed to be quarterly? And see how
they explain it. The fact that they never responded to
that first communication, that's a red flag. Firstly, under the
duty of good faith, you would expect the employer to
at least respond. The response might not be the response
you want, but there should be a response. So they're

(01:41:55):
on the back foot already. So first step, look at
the paperwork see if you can actually work out are
you entitled to it or not. It may be that
the wording answers it and says that it's only payable
the year after or inner rears or something like that.
If the ouncer is not there, raise it with the employer,

(01:42:15):
and don't don't be afraid to say that you previously
raised it and you haven't had a response. As always,
do it in as constructive a way possible, because even
if you end up having to raise a claim, you
want to be the reasonable one. So it pays not
to come in both barrels blazing.

Speaker 11 (01:42:38):
Yeah yeah, which I have as doing it, yea, So.

Speaker 20 (01:42:43):
Take a deep breath before you do it.

Speaker 19 (01:42:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:42:47):
Well, my wife's an HR managers, so I do have
to temper myself on my case. But look, I've got
a colleague that works here as well, and he's in
the same situation. We both discussed this and it's I've
told him that I think that this is unfair and at.

Speaker 20 (01:43:01):
The very least, Yeah, so check the paperwork as a
first step, because you know, it's always been to have
more information rather than less going into a discussion like this,
and then raise it with your employer. If the wording
of the bonus scheme is ambiguous, then you know the

(01:43:21):
law says that the party who drafted the contract is
not the party that gets the benefit of any ambiguity.
So you know you may be able to negotiate this,
So good luck with that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Thank you very much for your call, Grego eight undred
and eighty ten eighty. If you've got a call for
Gareth Abdenal now is your opportunities only with us for
about another ten minutes? Text question here, Gareth says, Hi,
as an employer, is there any way I can get
notified if one of my staff loses their driver's license.
We had an incident where a vehicle has been impounded
because the driver's license was disqualified and we didn't know

(01:43:57):
because they never told us.

Speaker 20 (01:43:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's not a situation you want to be
and especially if the employee drives work vehicles and that
could impact on insurance and all sorts of things. It's
my standard practice in every employment agreement that I prepare
where the worker needs to drive, there's a clause in
there that sees within twenty four hours or forty eight

(01:44:23):
hours of having the license suspended or revoked or any
change in the licencessed status. There's an obligation on the
employee to notify the employee. That doesn't necessarily mean that
they will do it, but if they don't, they've breached
the contract and potentially could end up being dismissed. So

(01:44:46):
put the obligation on them. I do understand that there
is a product out there that you can sign up
to which links in with Land Transport and notifies you
when there's a change, but I haven't had direct involvement

(01:45:06):
with that might be something that you want to look into.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Yeah, sounds very sensible right back in a moment. It
is twenty to four.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
But taking your questions and calls on oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty back in my.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
Your home of afternoon Talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Said be seventeen to four.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
We're joined by Gareth abdenaor employment lawyer and director of
Abdenaugh Employment Law. Taking your questions. Julie, how are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 28 (01:45:36):
I'm very well, thank you and look having handled HR
and I on that is for a large company in
Australia for thirty plus years. I take my hat off
to your Garrett. The level of expertise and advice you're
giving a spot on. So your listeners are very very fortunate.

Speaker 24 (01:45:52):
Too to have you that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
It's very kind of an episode, nicely said Julie.

Speaker 28 (01:45:58):
He knows what he's talking about, certainly does one. There's
just one piece of extra advice I think I'd add
to those, especially those queering annual leave or especially heck
that guy who's IID wages don't quite match what the
employers said. By all means be respectful and courteous and
all the rest of it and reasonable, but it do

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put it in writing, because it's no good relying on
oh well you told me blah blah blah. If you've
got it in writing, you've got a pay per trayl.

Speaker 20 (01:46:28):
And I agree agree wholeheartedly.

Speaker 28 (01:46:31):
So important put it in writing and allow for the
fact that perhaps you've misunderstood what they said. Would they
please clarify, you know, all those sorts of phrases, But
just put it in writing. Don't rely on verbs, verbal stuff,
because they'll need to have a think about what they
want to say to you too, rather than off the cuff.

Speaker 20 (01:46:52):
Yeah, I agree, I think that's fantastic advice, Julie. As
I often say to people, it's not what happened, it's
what you can prove happened, and those aren't necessarily the
same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Yeah, very good, Julie, thank you very much. We'll get
you back. That was lovely, Blaze. You're on with Gareth.
What's your question?

Speaker 13 (01:47:11):
Thank soon, Thank you for taking my calls. I got
injured at work and I was off work for two
months and then there was a gradual return to work
plan agreed. The doctor allowed me to return to work
three days a week for two months and then review.
The company agreed to that, and after two weeks off

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the gradual to return, the company came and said to me, well,
you've got excess leave. We're giving you two weeks noties.
You have to go on and we'll live now. Just
want to know, can they're forced to go on and
we'll leave while when they've agreed to the gradual return
to work plan.

Speaker 20 (01:47:48):
Yeah, so there's a couple of different things happening there, Blaze. Generally,
a company can require an employee to take leave and
they only have to give fourteen days notice, but they
do have to act reasonably and so I would be
looking at how much leave have you you actually got.

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If it's more than a few weeks, it may be
reasonable for the employer to do that, especially where you're
not able to do your role one hundred percent. Of course,
what is the impact of that going to be on
your gradual return to work? So it's not a straightforward question.

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Often when people aren't one hundred percent medically fit to
do their role, that's actually a really good time for
them to take some leave and use up some of
that leave that is built up. So it really depends
if you don't think it's fair. If you don't think
it's reasonable, have a discussion with your employer and explain why.

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But if you've got a big leave balance, you know
this might actually be a reasonable thing for your employer
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
All the very best plays and thank you very much
for your phone call, Perry. We've got a couple of minutes.
Gareth is standing by for your question.

Speaker 21 (01:49:11):
Hey Gareth, it's I've just got a quick question that
follows on from the driving one you were talking about before.
I got pulled up on my bike in the private
private motor motorbike, got a good ticket for it and
two weeks later, I was called in by my by
the company I worked for, ented TA had sent my
driving record and please explain to my to my employer, mate, now,

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is that legal or they led to put my if
it's a private matter, are they led us send it?
Send that through to doubt to my employer.

Speaker 20 (01:49:43):
Yeah, that's an interesting one, period, And I guess you
know I'm going to have to answer like a lawyer
and say it really depends. It depends what your job
is and what's in your employment agreement. That product that
I talked about earlier in the show, where employers can
sign up to that and get notified if something happens

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to your driving conditions, perhaps that's got something to do
with it. I would, however, expect an employer to consult
with employees before they sign up to something like that.
If your job involves driving it, maybe that n ZTA
is able to inform them, but I would need more information.

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It definitely does sound odd though, So.

Speaker 21 (01:50:32):
Yeah, yeah, apparently, Gerrek, because I looked into it too.
It just just in the fringes to see what was
going on. And when I actually had the meeting with
my manager, he said it was because I have a
commissioner truck license. That triggered. That triggered something. But I
don't have a truck for the business that I work for.
I drive private like one of the vehicles, but it's

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called not a truck. And and like I said, I
was pulled up on my bike in the weekend in
a private matter and it went through to it would
think through which I found a little bit strange.

Speaker 20 (01:51:05):
You know, Yeah, I mean that that does sound strange
on the face of it. But if the fact that
you've got that commercial license and you do drive for work,
whether you're driving a truck or not, maybe that's enough
something I would need to look at closer. I ride
a bike as well, and I guess it's just a
reminder to maybe slow down a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
All the very best with that, Peri, and thank you
very much for your question. I think we've got time
for a very quick text question here, Gareth.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
This one, Hi Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Here, we have a few employees in our company and
unfortunately the workload is starting the quiet down. Could you
please point me in the right direction as to the
best is to the best place to get advice in
the correct process we need to follow.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
If we are considering making redundancies.

Speaker 20 (01:51:49):
Yeah, a great question, and it's always good when people
ask in the beginning rather than after it's all gone
pear shaped. As a starting point, look at the employment
dot govt dot z website. There's a lot of good
advice on there, but you know, redundancies a tricky process

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to get right and easy to get wrong. I suggest
you contact your whoever you use for your legal advice,
the company's lawyer, and get them to recommend an employment
lawyer that can give you specific advice. That's the way
to minimize your risk.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
Brilliant, Gareth, fantastic as always.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
We've got full phone lines and unfortunately we've run out
of time, so hopefully we'll keep those guys for next
time you're in it about a month, but have a
great couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
And we'll see Becky.

Speaker 20 (01:52:38):
So sounds good, Thanks Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
That is Gareth Abdenor Employment Lawyer, Workplace and Information Expert,
Director of Abdenor Employment Law. If you need to get
a hold of him and you need to seek some
professional advice, just go to his website Abdenorlaw dot in z.
He's brilliant as you've just heard, and I've got to
say this part. The content of the segment is general
in nature and is not legal advice, and information discussed
is not intended to be a substitute for obtaining specific

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There be it is seven two for that is almost
us for another day. But I got an email from
a gentleman called Andrew Williams. He's a former MP and
mayor of the Norse Shure and I did tell Andrew
i'd read out his email it's in relation to Christopher
Larkson and the National Party, and here it is it's
his own thoughts. But he said the problem with our
parliament is that too many MP's are party hacks. Many

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of them have been electorate staff or have worked as
staff in parliament. Examples of Erica Stamford who was MP,
Murray McCully staff member in his East Coast Bay's Electric
office for quite some years. Chris Bishop worked for Stephen
Joyce and Jerry Brownie. Nicola Willis worked for John Kem
Bill English to Cinda A. Durn was a former labour
staffer for Halen Clark. Chris Hipkins work for Trevor Mallard
and Helen Clark, and there's plenty of others they worked

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as party hacks are ambitious and have aspired to be
greater things eventually becoming. So it's questionable, Andrew Williams says
as to the real reasons why they maneuver into higher
and higher positions in each party and who they need
to tread on to be successful. He finishes with I
expect the knives will be out again for another coup

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in national at some stage, as there have been similar
coups in labor as well. That was from Andrew Williams,
former MP and meyor mayor of the North Shore. So
thank you very much for your email, Andrew, And on
that note, after four o'clock with Heather, of course you
will bring you all the analysis of today's leadership spill
and what happens to the party now they have locked

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in Luxen for the November election.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
What a great show today.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Thank you to everybody who text in and gave me
a phone call over the last four hours. Really enjoyed today,
and we'll do it all again tomorrow at midday going out,
I will survive Glori.

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Again or I don't need to say too much about this.

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Of course, christoph Lux has survived again for now and
whether that's put the end of it until November seventh,
we will wait and see have a great resk of
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