Full Show Podcast: 12 November 2025

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We went deep into driving on drugs.

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Yeah, thanks tuning in. You've got in New Zealanders.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yesterday I was talking about how I'm running a marathon
on the weekend on Saturday in Queenstown, and how I
wasn't prepared, and how moving house and various other things
in my life have prevented me from doing the final training.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
You've had a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I wanted to run a thirty five k a week
about ten days out I have managed to do that.
I thought this morning I'd get up and try and
just bash out of fifteen k in the morning, just
league fifteen yep, just get my legs going, because I
think you can't run long distances too close to the race.
And so I went to do that. But then, but

(01:50):
then I forgot that my mate from Regency Pimbing was coming.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Around right of course, so re Important.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Reagan was coming around to look at some stuff at
my house. He's a good man, he's a great man.
So then and so I was all of my running
gear and so I didn't do that. So now I'm
getting even more and more anxious about this marathon.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
And then we're getting close, the windows fast closing.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I've got no training, so so do I pull out?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Oh, you definitely don't pull out. No, you cannot pull out.
I mean, what do you do at this point? So
if let it let it down at the last last
Tonald Street, let it drift yeut. But if anything, that
may may even play to your advantage potentially.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
But there's a lot of runners out there. I know
that a lot of people listen to our show are
high level runners, and they always have really good advice.
This is what I'm bringing this up. Actually just use
my radio show for my own personal ends. But advice
around nutrition leading up to the race would be really
handy because I think I've got to put a lot
of carbs through the system.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Carbo load, carbo load, past to crazy pizza.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
So if I can't get my training in an advance
of the run, perhaps I can eat my way to
getting the forty two k done.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, nine two nine two. Come on through, love to
hear your thoughts. If you've ever done a marathorn and
you put off training in the last couple of weeks,
now's the time to give me some motivation because he
needs it. Go well with that, mate, looking forward to
watching that race on Saturday from my couch, which will
be nice. Right on to today's show after three o'clock,
we want to have a chat about booking up a

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holiday hot spot over summer. If you're looking to do
that now, you might be able of luck because a
lot of those popular camping getaway spots have already been
booked up. In fact, they got booked up in January
this year. David Ovandale, he is the CEO of Top
ten Holiday Parks, says that they've got forty nine properties
around the country and they all have slightly nuanced peaks.

(03:38):
But from Boxing Day until about the tenth or eleventh
of January rather, you would either have to be very
lucky or very flexible to get something at this points.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, right, so yeah, when did you have to get them?
Is it really that booked up? Sure, you can get
a pink a camping spot, I reckon. This is one
of those made up stories. How can you can get
a camping spot? Well, it's only bloody November. It's the
twelfth of November. You can get a spot. You can
get a spot for Christmas.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
But then you get those you know, we're going to
talk about this after three o'clock. But it annoys me
the generational family camping spots where they get the privilege
because they've been there for multiple generations, that they somehow
get the camping spot before everybody else.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, but that's great because if people go to the
camping spot every year, then their kids get to know
each other. We had that. We had a camping spot
we went to every year in Clyde and as a result,
you'd get the same kids every year. You'd run into them.
Was fantastic book club or something.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
But that is after three o'clock, after two o'clock A
story out this week. We didn't get to it yesterday,
but we will get to it today. It sparked a
big debate about giving someone a second chance. Or man
started a new job only to be dismissed on his
second day, and not because he did anything wrong in
that particular role, but because he serves some prison time
thirty three years ago. That was for a position of cannabis,

(04:52):
a cannabis pipe, burglary, and unlawfully having a firearm. And
he says he's long since turned his life around, yet
his new employer decided those decades old mistakes were a
reason enough to let him go.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, so I e. One hundred and eighty ten eighty
after two o'clock. Once you've paid your debt to society,
should you given a clean site and be allowed to
move on, especially after three goddamn decades.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Jeez.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
And so we'd like to know if you've been given
a second chance after you got out of prison, or
if you've given someone a second chance undred eighty ten eighty.
And look, we're giving this topic a second chance because
we tried to do it yesterday but the Billionaire chat
just blow up. So you know, if we're willing to
give a topic a second chance, are you willing to
give a previous and major second.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Jant beautifully said that's after two. But right now, let's
have a chat about this new roadside drug testing that's
going to be rolled out around New Zealand starting next year.
Mid next year, it's going to start and willing to
next month, drivers will be tested on these four main drugs,
so that is cannabis, meth, MDMA, and cocaine, all using
this tongue swipe test. If it returns are positive, then

(05:53):
a second test and a lab sample will follow and
confirmed users could face fines or driving bands. Officials say
it's needed because thirty percent of fatal crashes involved drug
impaired drivers, but a lot of debate around is this
fare for people say using me to call cannabis or
prescription drugs? Will they get caught up in this new regime?

(06:13):
So really, can you get your thoughts on this I
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, so I find it quite interesting and because the
levels of impairment are interesting. And what drugs do I
think in New Zealand we and around the world, we
just lump all drugs and together, right, But some drugs
are up as and some drugs are down as right yep. So,
and this is when it brings in the ADHD medicine
and whether that's going to pop up in the in

(06:38):
the in the saliva tests, and people say, oh, you
be interesting to find out if you can just whip
out your prescription and show that you've done it. And
if that's case, if you've got a prescription, can you
then just slam cocaine constantly and then they never never
pops up. When it pops up, you just throw your
subscription around. Yeah, yeah, it's a loophole, I know, but
I guess you know, do you think this works O

(06:58):
eight one hundred and eighteen eighty Do you believe all
drugs and peer you're driving? And is drug driving as bad?
As drunk driving. I'd be interested to know how many
of these stats because we I think we all agree
that drunk driving is absolutely a scourge of our roads,
and the impairment that you have from alcohol is it

(07:21):
just shouldn't you should not be behind the wheel? Right, Yeah,
there's no deny, absolutely, yeah, but i'd be interested to
know the stats around when they say thirty percent of
deaths have an impairment drug impairment, right, how many of
those are also alcohol? So you've got alcohol and something else.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
That's where the nuance comes in, right, Because you're quite right,
quite often you'd think that someone who's on drugs arguably
maybe on alcohol at the same time.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah. So if this is enforcement, that's that's one thing.
If it's about, you know, trying to catch people on drugs,
that's one thing. But I'd just be interested to know,
you know, like, if uppers actually make you concentrate better
on the roads. I don't know. Yeah, come on, I
know you've certainly seen it in movies, Yeah, exactly, such

(08:05):
as Flight starring Denzel Washington.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
If you've got experience, and I'd love to hear from you, ah, right,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine two ninety
two is the text number as well. Can you get
your thoughts on this new roadside drug testing? And coming
up just after the break, we're going to have a
chat with Sarah Hell. She is the CEO of the
Drug Foundation, so we'll get her thoughts on this.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, and so you've got any questions for her as well,
five them through nine two nine two and we'll deliver
them to her.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yep. Nice, that is coming up next. It is fourteen
past one.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 5 (08:43):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Very good afternoon, Jue. So we are talking about the
new roadside drug testing that will be rolled out nationwide
from mid next year. It's going to start in Wellington
next month as a trial. So to chat about this further,
we are joined by the executive director of the New
Zealand Drug Foundation, Sarah Helm, who is on the phones
right now. Sarah, very good afternoon to you. Thank you

(09:06):
very much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Get it now, Sarah. Drugs are often lumped in together,
but surely cocaine has a very different effect on people's
concentration compared to say, marijuana.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
Oh, I'd say both can impear ability to drive, actually,
but what is really different is how long they say
in your body and how long they impeir you. And
those things are quite important when it comes to roadside
drug testing and actually four people who are trying to
avoid driving while impeered, and knowing how long something has

(09:45):
affected you and knowing how long it lasts in your system,
and you know, so for example, with cannabis, you might
be impaired for a few hours, and it stays in
your system and can be detected by something like a
saliva test for as many as seventy two hours. So
there's quite a big gap there.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
So you're saying that cocaine, which is an upper and
pairs you the same as marijuana, which is a downer.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
I actually wouldn't hazard to guess that they would impair
the same, but they would cause impairment.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Yeah I would.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
I would say you wouldn't be safe to drive.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
So what is the study saying on that the comparison
between between the two. I just find it really really
odd when we when we say drink driving, so that's alcohol,
and we know what alcohol is and it's absolutely horrific
and we shouldn't drive on it, absolutely and we put
it there. But then with the drugs, we just all
lump them in together like they're the exact same thing.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Yeah, no, that's right, and that is problematic. I think
more problems from the perspective of China, prevent people from
driving impeered. I can't send across the evidence between whether
or not you'd be less impaired on versus cannabis. It
would depend on the person, how much they're taken, whether
they've taken anything else, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, that's

(11:07):
the there's a lot of nuance in there.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
That's an interesting That's another interesting point that I've been thinking.
So when we look at these these stats in their
you know, and deaths while people are impaired on drugs,
how much is the crossover between that and alcohol? So
people that are both both have been drinking and also
taking illegal substances.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Yeah, just before I answer, I do want to say that,
you know, we're like most the Zealanders, we're really keen
to see impaired drivers, whether it's from illicit drug use
or anything else, off the roads and not harming people,
So we're on the side of that. It's just about
getting a right But anyway, coming back to your question,

(11:52):
the thirty percent of fatal accidents one hundred and five
people who very sadly die in our roads every year,
that are you know where there is some sort of
substance involved. Actually, that fig includes prescription medications, which you
know we all know as humans can embarra us. I've
had some migraine medication that I'll tell you what, you

(12:12):
wouldn't have wanted me to be in charge of anything
while I was on those. So prescription medications. There might
also be an overlap with alcohol, but that figure apparently
doesn't include alcohol. So yeah, the evidence that's been put
out isn't very clear in terms of what substances are
causing what kind of harm out there on the roads?

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Is it going to be picked up? I mean, talk
about the prescription medicine. A lot of people are obviously
on prescription drugs and they might not drive within the
window that their doctor or pharmacist tells them. But is
there still a potential for that to be picked up
in these tests and those people may get fined.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Yeah, so this is a little bit of a problem,
and there is some unknowns here and we have actually
sent some questions to the officials to ask with some clarity.
So one of the things we're picking up from, you know,
particularly people who are prescribed ADHD medications, They want to
know whether the methanphetamine salivit tests will pick that up

(13:09):
for them and whether or not they'll be therefore deems
to be impaired. So how the test will work. And
then actually so I'll explain how the test works, because
there's another factor that's involved here. So you have on
the roadside two salibrities. So if you pass the first one,
you're free to go. If you fail the first one,
you're given another saliva test. If you fail both of

(13:30):
those salive tests, you're immediately unable to drive for twelve hours.
You have to find your way home some other way.
Your sample is then sent off for further testing in
a lab and it's tested for twenty five substances. And
I don't know what those twenty five subs might be.
I presume some of them will be medications if they've found.

(13:53):
If they found, you have then fined and you receive
the demerit points. You don't receive a criminal prosecution for
this unless you refuse to be tested and they make
you have a blood test in YadA YadA. But in
this first instance, you actually might get picked up for
a number of things, and we don't know what those
number of things are. We do know what's in the legislation.
The legislation is very prescriptive and does include a range

(14:17):
of prescription medications, as in a way it should. But
perhaps so what these tests don't show is whether or
not somebody is actually current currently impaired, and so the
person may well have been whether it's illicit or a
prescription medication cannabis to an antidepressant or something anti anxiety

(14:39):
means I think are listed in there. They might have
followed all the instructions and done all the right things
and still be penalized. They might be impaired, and those
tests aren't sophisticated enough to show that as far as
we know, certainly all the evidence points to that, but
we actually also haven't been told what technology will be
being used. So there's a whole lot of questions that

(15:00):
still we don't quite know the answers to.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
We're talking to executive director of the New Zealand Drug Foundation,
Sarah Helm. Now, this is the text has come through
from Bill. If someone tests positive, and I think I
know the answer this, but if someone tests positive, is
that then give the police reason to search your car
or your house?

Speaker 6 (15:19):
Yeah, there's a great question. We understand there's a line
around this, and the penalties are just demerit points and
a fine as opposed to criminal prosecution. Unless indeed you
refuse to be tested, then they can make you have
a blood test, and if that results in you having
something detected, they could press criminal charges at that point.

(15:43):
Another thing, just i'd love to just chip in here.
When we made our submission to this piece of legislation,
one of the things that we're really keen to see
is an impairment methodology. So we don't want none of
us want any impaired drives on the road, right, and
you might be impaired for a range of reasons, including
prescription or illicit medication drugs. You might also be impaired

(16:05):
because you didn't sleep first three days or whatever. If
the person fails that first elive a test, what we
would have preferred is that the police then conduct a
traditional impairment test. We don't think they're going to pick
up that many people that are you know fail that
first test in any case, and we know that the

(16:27):
problem with the impairment test is it takes a bit
of time or can we not take that bit of
time with those people? And then therefore you've got a
real reason for getting them off the right.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I mean, it seems if you're going to take you know,
suspend them from driving for twelve hours, then an impairment
test would be you know, that's not everyone. You know,
there seems there'd be time for that. And when you
talk about an impairment test, is that the traditional things
you know, walking in a straight line and touching your
fingers on your eyes and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
It's my understanding. There's also new technology. It's not quite
ready for roadside, but we've been working with a company
who have produced it pretty effectively from what we can
see for workplaces, so as an all alternative to the
old fashioned drug screening, because it picks up more things essentially,
and it is much more accurate, and they're trying to

(17:16):
develop that for roadside and last I heard, it was
eighty percent effective for roadside. So there is actually technology
coming on stream that I think would be a preferable alternative.
And I might also New Zealanders thinking about actually am
I fit to drive today? Should I be getting in
this car versus?

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Shit?

Speaker 6 (17:36):
How long ago did I have that weed? Can I
get away with driving now? It's really not that even.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Around I have even around just impaired from not sleeping
and being tired as well. I mean, just the impairment
is the problem, isn't it now? So the New Zealand
drug foundations here are just broadly with these questions you
have to ask, and the obviously that the bits that
haven't been announced yet, are you guys broadly for this
or broadly against it?

Speaker 6 (18:03):
Probably just somewhere in the middle, a few unknowns there.
So I want to see people unfairly penalized. We don't
want to people see people harmed on the roads, whether
the other person is doing the thing or the victim
of it. So you know, we would prefer us to
take more of an impairment approach, maybe trial the thing.
But we also are in Australia right now at an

(18:24):
addiction conference, and I know that there's problems here with
a similar sort of regime that's enforced.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
So yeah, really good to get your thoughts. Sarah, thank
you very much for coming on.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
No worries.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
That is the executive director of the New Zealand Drug Foundation,
Sarah Helm. So we're taking your calls on this. How
do you feel about this new roadside drug testing regime?
Can you see some fiscrics in it? And are you
worried if you are a cannabis user for medicinal purposes
or prescription drugs? Do you think this may impact you?
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Speaker 7 (19:03):
An ugly read the IPCA reporting the mix skimming behavior
as well as the actions of some senior police of
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Speaker 5 (19:16):
It's an absolute disgrace and lacking the leadership, it's lacking integrity.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
Are you confident that that blindness that they portrayed is
limited just to MC skimming and no other complaints?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's not quite enough. Are we clear that this is it.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
My job right now is to ensure that this never
happens again.

Speaker 7 (19:37):
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Speaker 3 (19:42):
We are talking about the new roadside drug testing regime
that will be rolled out everywhere from midnext year.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
The sexer says, you're not impaired if you smoke a
joint on Sunday and then fail on Monday and it's
in your system, But they don't know how much. Absolute
rubbish dope smoker forty five years daily, never been in
the accent, just more big brother bollocks cheers Phil right, Okay, yeah, yeah,
And that is one of the complaints about it as
it's it's testing for presents, not impairment, isn't it, Especially

(20:12):
when it comes to marijuana, so they detect the presence
long after the impairment has gone.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, and there's a lot of cannabis users out there,
medicinal or otherwise, so that will be of concern to
many people.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
The Stix says, hey, guys, it's great to know there
is action being taken against drug driving. It's high time
those these irresponsible muppets are taken out of circulation. I
have faith that the testing procedures will be robust, crack
down hard on offenders and tear deter them from potentially
maiming and killing innocent loved ones.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
That's from l Yeah, keep those teachs coming through on
nine to nine two. But we are of course taking
your calls on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
coming up after the headlines, we have a check to Sam.
He's got a chronic disease, he's on medicinal cannabis and
he worries he can't get any answers on what's going
to happen to him if he gets pulled over and
drug tested. It is twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 3 (22:23):
Thank you very much. Ray Lean. So we are talking
about this new drugard. I was going to say, drug
side roadside drug testing that is going to be rolled
out everywhere from next year. Are you a little bit
worried if you are someone that uses cannabis for medicinal
or other or prescription medicines. Love to get your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Sam, Welcome to the show. Thank you for holding on
there for us to take your call. Appreciate that your
thoughts on this buddy, No drums.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Hey day lads, Thanks for having me on. First time
calling you guys up. But listen, listen to you every day.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Oh good man.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
So, so for me, probably a little bit different to
a lot of people out there. And I'll be the
first to say if someone who uses medtal marijuana that
there are a lot of people out there just taking
a person who just use it to obtain cannabis, but
there are also a lot of us that that do
require it. So I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis last year,

(23:15):
just an autoimmune disease, and it has basically mutated both
of my hands, my knee, my ankles, and my elbows.
And to treat that, they put me on cancer treat
my drugs to the choice my immune system, and those
have a massive impact on my liver. So obviously, you
know alcohol to be very careful what I'm consuming, going

(23:36):
to look after my body and.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
The rest of it.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
But I also it comes with a lot of pain,
and I can handle that pain during the day it's uncomfortable,
but at night, when you're lying in bed, it's just,
you know, it's so much and I can't sleep. And
that's where the medical cannabis comes in. It's the only
medication that trolled me on that doesn't have any notifiable
or effect on my liver from the blood tested doing.

(23:59):
And it doesn't fix the pain, but that helps with
it at night. So I've been on that for a
while now and it's been working really well. This the
newsicles come out about the testaments can be happening my
doctor Cannabis Clinic and several other organizations that we've got

(24:19):
procos they've basically said with the patient they've got that
I will definitely fail a daytime test. So the specifications
I've got from the doctor is to wait more than
six hours after inhaling flour and wait more than ten
hours after consuming pure oil, which is like the second

(24:42):
level of pain relief. So the first level is to
have a small smoke and the second level is to
have up to zero point six of a mill of
basically pureity actually, which lasted their system for four As
I was saying between six and ten hours. But and
so the next day I have absolutely no effect for whatsoever.
And yet I will definitely test positive with the three

(25:06):
m g per mel test that can be done on
the roadside, and none of the doctors, none professionals really know,
like they've come back, and I've got an email here,
an official email here stating that there will be exemptions,
that it will require two positive roadside slider tests. At

(25:27):
that point I will be stood down for twelve hours. However,
that we are able to apply if we have an
active prescription and a letter of support that is no
more than six months old, that we can then apply
to have the conviction diverted, at which point we will

(25:50):
probably I will possibly be allowed to then just return
to normal data on activities after losing twelve hours. And
if I, for any reason don't get the exemption, it's
a turner dollar fine an fifty demerit points. And they
also put on here important legal implications. As a patient,
we recommend you do not consider the blood test option

(26:13):
that says, as the legal limit for THHC is low
at three ng per mil, opting for a blood test
would lead to a more serious consequence for example, conviction,
and then it goes on to say, as a first consiction.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
So there's so you've got you've got prescribed medical marijuana,
but there can be a level of you know, what's
in your system that becomes illegal even though the drug
that you're taking is legal.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
So that this is the part that we have not
had clarified. So that the letter I have got from
the from the doctor states important legal implications because they
don't quite understand themselves. It says, quote, patients should be
cautious when considering blood tests because you can do a
blood test instead of a SLAVI test if you choose.

(27:09):
As the legal limit for THHC in serum is low
at three m g, permel opting for a blood test
could lead to more serious consequences. It then goes on
to state section fifty seven. A DASH one carries a
maximum penalty of three months imprisonment or four and a
half thousand dollars fine, along with a minimum six month

(27:32):
driving disqualification if you have caught exceeding three mg per
mill on your bloods while driving.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Wow, that's interesting, But first of all, Sam, I'm all
the best with that that diagnosis made. That can't be easy.
So your thoughts with you, you're on that one, and
I'm pleased that that the medical marijuana is offering you,
you know, the ability to sleep, because obviously that is
one of the most important things, especially when it comes
to impairment, because if people can't sleep, being tired behind

(28:01):
the wheel.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Is the worst of the more.

Speaker 9 (28:03):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I mean, if you're asleep behind the wheel, then
you can't you're not at driving. Yeah, but when you
say that you take this, you know, the marijuana stays
in the system for you know what do they say,
probably not drive for ten hours? How long would you
say that you would be impaired? So that's really the
thrust of us has to be to try and stop

(28:24):
compared drivers. Right, so you've taken the midal of marijuana,
how long would you be impaired?

Speaker 10 (28:31):
Okay, so basically when when?

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Because I wasn't a smoker before this, So when when
I first started consuming it would take very little what
they call flower, which is a smoke to have a
very intense I was definitely impaired. And at first that
would last for a good three or four hours, which
people laugh and they got sha't stay stone for that long.
But That's how I would feel it. But after a while,

(28:54):
as I bought an immunity in a torrance to it,
you know, I would get less off that same amount,
and it would I would feel the impuedment for much less. Now,
when I have my medical flower, which I can zero
clint one of a gram per evening, it's weighed out
and it's sun Draymatically, I feel impaired for about half

(29:16):
an hour, and I feel as if I would be
able to function quite well after about an hour. However,
I'd never ever ever go below the six hour mark,
which is what is recommended. But because I only consume
it at nighttime, at about ten o'clock at night, and
I'm not up until sort of seven o'clock the next day,
it's often nine or ten hours before I do drive,

(29:38):
even though I do feel that there's steps has gone away,
but I just I'd never cross that line.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I mean, you've showing the fishoks and you know when
it comes to someone like yourself, you've got a chronic
disease and you need medicinal cannabis to leave the pain.
So with the troll happening in well into next month, Sam,
I mean, what do you think needs to happen here.
It's incredibly complex with cannabis.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Just needs to be transparent. It just needs to be
transparent what we can and can't do, because right now
this whole thing was being pushed. It is not about
getting impaired people off the road. It's getting people with
traces of drug in their system off the road. And
there are two very different things.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, when it comes to cannabis, because you need to.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
If they said, right, you need a license that you
carry on you, which I mean I believe at the
moment they are clarifying that as an active prescription and
a supporting LEVET letter no longer than six months old.
So if we carried that on us, and then they said,
because you're you have a license where you need to
test below this and reading and perhaps there's like a

(30:39):
home test kit that we can go and purchase ourselves too,
to travel it to find out where that actual legal
wine is. Yeah, because i feel like one one hundred
and ten percent candle of driving after more than six
to ten hours of consuming marijuana, and yet I've got
no idea if it's legal.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Sam, let us know if you get an answer on there.
But thank you very much for giving us buzz. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
cool love to get your thoughts on the roadside drug teasing?
Thank you mate. It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks, it'd.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Be thirteen to two. So we are talking about the
roadside drug testing that will come into play next year
for the whole of New Zealand. Do you worry how
this will feature if you're on medicinal cannabis prescription drugs?
So eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Let's text to ccs. So what about tramadol or they
test for that? So we don't know. So there's the
four main ones that they test when they pull you
over with the saliva. That's the instant ones. But then
it gets sent to a lab and they test for
another twenty five. So I believe there's was it marijuana, cocaine?
What I'm just looking men?

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Fitamine in THHC.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
And THCHC the big animeter. No two of them were
the same of those four that we seed.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Right, what one did I miss out?

Speaker 11 (31:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
DMA yeah dat yeah yeah yeah, So and then they
take it. Then that goes to the lab and they
test for another twenty five. I don't know if that's tramadol.
I don't know if they're also testing for prescription drugs.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Or like pseudo, right, Efford?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Is there twenty five I legal drugs?

Speaker 11 (32:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well I don't know. I messing there is. But what
do you do you know now that that pseudo was legal?
Again with your suda fed if you've got a cold
and it's pretty kick our stuff, you think that would
probably get picked up under amphetam. It's must do because
it is, it's effectively speed.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
This is someone that doesn't necessarily get their head around statistics.
I'm against drunk driving, but sober people kill more people
on the roads. Yeah, well you hope we're in a
situation where the vast majority of people on the roads
are sober.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, exactly, Bruce, how are you mate?

Speaker 10 (32:42):
Yeah? Yeah, good things. Guys just listening listening to this.
I just want to give the street view and sort
of drill down a little bit further and just take
a different view. Now, the police, the men and women
in the blue and the teachers and nurses are all
the same.

Speaker 12 (33:02):
They work for a.

Speaker 10 (33:02):
Government that is really under stress, under pressure, and everyone's
workload is great. You don't hear much from the police
and all, you know, good on them. But this announcement,
I think from the people I know, is just going
to be looking at increasing their workload. That the politicians

(33:23):
or the executive have they been known since this latest
shimozzle like to get the publicity of saying they're sort
of cleaning up the drugs on the street, et cetera, cetera,
and they're going to test drug drivers and they've come
up with the statistics that thirty percent of people are
drug affected. Now now I've heard that that also includes

(33:45):
prescription drugs. Will goodness me everything or one of us
has got a prescription drug in our system. If you
if you use the standard they use in the mining
in Australia where I've been involved with this drug testing,
that'll even pick up panidole. It's so sensitive that that
when you're going out seven days, seven off and you've

(34:07):
had a panidole in the morning, it'll pick that up
and you'll fail that drug test. And you've got to
wait four hours before you can go to the before
you can go to your your DOGA.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
So that's those a private drug tests. Are those both
apposed to police ones?

Speaker 10 (34:24):
Yeah, well these are what the mining come is used.
And you've got all sorts of levels of of drug detection.
Now I'm looking at the dynamics. I know a lot
of people in the forest. I've been in the force
in Australia and on the road. You're doing your breath tests.
You've got your device, you've got a driver, you wind
down the window. You know almost automatically whether they've been

(34:47):
drinking or what's been going on in that vehicle. As
soon as they open that window, they count.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
To the device.

Speaker 10 (34:54):
You've got to yes, no, okay, off your go drug
testing to get evidential information. It's it's just a whole
new area. It's you know, there's a lot of we're involved.
They've they've got to start now. Instead of its dealing
with breath through our device where they can give automatic

(35:15):
digital reading, they've now got to move into the realm
of gathering fluid samples. And our boys and girls in
Blue are really stressed and that the actual dynamic involved
in this. On the ground, there's a lot of involvement
in it and being able to get enough evidence from

(35:36):
someone that smoked the joint, taking that to court, presenting
that to a magistrate, having a smart lawyer for the defendant.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Well, I think that's why in this case, Bruce, that
it's more of a fine situation. So if one qualifying drug,
If one qualifying drug is confirmed, the fine is two
hundred dollars plus fifty demerit points. Two or more qualifying
drugs four hundred dollars plus seventy demerit points. So to
take out the part of it, as you rightly point out,
clogging the courts and although around that, that's why I

(36:06):
think they've gone for the fine as opposed to the
criminal charge.

Speaker 10 (36:12):
The assumption being, of course, and my experiences, you're assuming
that this person is driving a registered vehicle, has a license,
has a warrant of fitness, is registered. A lot of
these people are quite anonymous. They're driving unregistered vehicles, they
don't have licenses, they get pulled over, they give a

(36:33):
false address, they're virtually impossible to track.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, well, I mean there'll be all those problems yep.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Absolutely, Hence the trill period in Wellington next month. But
can you get your views. So e one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number. Call eight tow too.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Thanks so much for your call.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Bruce, Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. A few texts
going into the news on this roadside drug testing operation
they're going to bring in next year.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
So some people asking whether it is going to be
prescription drugs in the So there's four that is tested
immediately in the saliva and then it can be sent
off to a lab and another twenty five are looked at.
This text is saying yes, tramadol, codin, benzos and other
preciption MUDs, meds that are known to cause impairment will
be looked for.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Wow, I mean that's a biggie. I know a lot
of people use Benzo's for anxiety, so that's going to
pick up a lot more people.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Love how some people will try very hard to defend
a legal drug use. Sorry, it does affect brain function.
As that guest said, we should have a mind change
from I think I'm impaired, so I shouldn't drive versus
when did I have my last joint slash drength. Yeah,
I mean there's a lot of ways you can be
impaired that don't involve drugs and alcohol. Yep, yeah, lack
of sleep.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, it's a biggie, but that just massive.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Barney with the missus.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
You head out on the road because of it, a
road rate, screaming rage.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Exactly right. We're going to keep this going because we've
got full boards at the moment. If you can't get through,
keep trying. Oh, eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. If
you prefer to send a teacher more than welcome, of course,
nine to two is that number. But really, can you
get your thoughts about the roadside drug testing? Are you
worried you may get caught up in it even if
you are using drugs for pure legitimate purposes? A new

(38:19):
sport and we're the fast approaching great have your company
is always hope you're having a great Wednesday afternoon. You're
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Speaker 1 (38:34):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talk zid Bey.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program. It
is six pass two. Great to have your company as
always this afternoon. All right. We're carrying on with the
discussion we're having about this new roadside drug testing regime
that will be rolled out. So to bring you back
up to speed police we'll be able to stop any
vehicle at any time to screen the driver for the
presence of drugs. The first roadside screening test will be

(39:04):
a quick tongue swipe, taking just a few minutes. The
government says. If the test is positive, officers will take
us a live example for the lab where while the
roadside device to text the four key drugs that we mentioned,
that is meth and phetamine, THHC, cocaine and ecstasy. The
lab can test for up to twenty five substances listed
in the Drugs Act. So do you feel that you

(39:26):
may be caught up in this if you are on
prescription medicines or medicinal cannabis. So eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty Craig, welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (39:33):
Hey, yeah, look I've learned a lot. Actually, it's been
really interesting. I kind of came into this with a
view of this shouldn't be anybody appeared on the road,
and then you sort of listen to it and it's like, Okay,
I can sort of understand how peven could get caught
up in this, but are pretty innocent.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, Yes, what particular people do you think fall into
that category.

Speaker 13 (40:01):
Craig, Probably people that are taken prescription drugs, But also,
like I, we can construc I've got a lots of
guys who live with smoke. I have a joint occasion
for myself, so I'm not going to put my hand
up and go I'm a purist, but those guys tend
to have a smoke after work, whereas the next day,

(40:24):
if a drug tested, they will fail. But we allow
alcohol where a guy can drink all bloody night and
stagger on a building site with a massive hangover. And
it's the same kind of thinking that you just transferred
to the road. So you know, you've got guys that

(40:44):
had a joint the night before, You've got guys that
were drinking night before. I'd rather have people on the
road that smoke weed the night before than we're drinking
heavily the night before.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, and I think that is where it falls over though,
isn't it, Craig. It seems to come back to medicinal
cannabis that, as we know it stays in the system
a lot longer because of all how the drug operates,
whereas alcohol is usually out of your system within twenty
four hours, depending on how big a night you've had,
of course. But yeah, for someone who has a joint
or has some medicinal cannabis for pain, that's still going

(41:20):
to be in their system even.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Though I can stay in your saliva for up to
seventy two hours.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Alcohol again, no marijuana, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
But I guess if someone has a smoke after work, right,
and then they've gone to bed, they've slept, and then
there's still they're still found to be over whatever limit
in the saliva test. But someone that's found to be
over the alcohol limit when they're driving to work. And
I've had a friend who stayed the night and then
on the way home she was she was found she

(41:52):
got busted on the way home. Yep, So she'd done
the right thing and stayed the night. Not like that tyler.
She was she was everyone was over for a barbecue, Okay, Yeah, okay, right,
she didn't stay over the night with me, Okay, fair enough,
She just stayed over there just to do it, to clarify,
just to just do the right thing. And then when
she was driving home, she got she got pulled over
and she had drank for hours and hours and hours
and hours how and ouns but was well over the limit. Yeah,

(42:16):
but I think that she would have been if she
had that much alcohol system, she would have been impaired,
whereas someone that's smoked marijuana ten hours ago or whatever
would not be impaired. If you even if you found
it in the system, if.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
You see what I'm saying, Yeah, the high's out of
your system. You're no longer feeling that high in the
buzz and that the what what cannabis does to you.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
So that's that's what the Drug Foundation is saying, isn't it.
It's it's testing not for impairment, just for presents the
presence of cannabis and your system, not the impairment from it.
So that is that that is a potential problem. But
would you agree, Craig that you don't want impaired people
on the road.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (42:54):
Absolutely, And look, I'd actually like to put my hand
up a little bit here. I was sort of a
string driver. Yeah, so I'm not putting out a lily
white deal myself. It took me a long time to
wake up for the fact that, dude, you just can't
be It's not it's not about how you feel. It's like,

(43:17):
you know, okay, yeah, I feel like I can drive.
It's about you when you start really getting hit around things.
It's much deeper than that. And I like to have
a smoke, you know, As I've said occasionally with the boys,
it's like, yeah, yeah, I'll say what I will not drive,
absolutely not, And I think that's different for different people.

(43:41):
You know, this is where things get a bit sort
of cross. Like if I have a joint, I definitely
feel very stone because I don't smoke very often. And
then I'm just really happy to just chill out wherever
I am, or you know, just have a relaxing time.
But I have brothers who like in there, you know,

(44:03):
we're all gen Xes, and they'll have a smoke and
go for a and drive and no problem at all
that they don't feel concerned about what they're doing and
both very good drivers, like they don't have a that yeah,
they have zero history of bad driving.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
So hey, when you say, when you say, Craig that
you were a sit of aus drink driver, did you
get pinged a lot? We were sort of a string driver,
that you were drinking and driving a lot, or and
that you had been pulled over and charged multiple times.

Speaker 13 (44:38):
Probably for the first twenty years, like you know, being Eugene,
we were. I was working driving at fifteen, you know,
having beers with the boys at fifteen years old on
building site. So I probably drove for twenty years before
I got the d C. Yeah, but that was just
that was our era. That was nobody You didn't look

(45:03):
at people that were drink driving and sort of thinking
about taking their keys off them.

Speaker 14 (45:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
It was a different time, wasn't it.

Speaker 13 (45:10):
It was a very different time.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And do you think do you think it's good that
that message has got through? And because because I see
it now, that day I could not see, I could
not see my kids would never even consider drink driving.
But when when I was their age, it was quite
it was common.

Speaker 13 (45:28):
It was very common. And that's so my son's studying
to be a doctor made they're really clue to young people,
you know, Yeah, and all their mates like, yeah, absolutely,
they'll have a joint with me, they'll have a couple
of years, but nobody drives, and absolutely adamant about that.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, it's a good thing that's changed. But you know,
it wasn't that long ago, Craig that the limit got
reduced from four hundred to two fifty. And hopefully that's
had some somewhat of an impact. But you look back
at those days of four hundred, that's a fear whack
of alcohol in your system. And then if you're going
a little bit higher than that because you've had one
too many beers. As you say, it was a different time,
different era.

Speaker 13 (46:13):
Absolutely, but you know we were all brought up with that.
Like you know, you'd go down to the Workmen's Club
all the rs A with your grandparents. That'd be big
five six ye v eight my CDs drink drinking a
few beers and then the crew with their mate that was.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
I. I was talking to mate's grandfather once and he
said he was drunk driving and he rolled his car
on the roof and this was on the way out
to Ravensbourne and dun Eden and he rang the police
so they could come out and put it back up
for him to push it. There was no fear that
he was going to get dust done for driving. They

(46:54):
were like, can you you, guys, I'm pretty person have
rolled the car. Would you guys be able to come
out and help me ride it so I can drive
it home? And they did. They pushed it back up
from and then he drove it home.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
What a crazy time.

Speaker 13 (47:05):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
Hey.

Speaker 13 (47:06):
Look, so back in the old days when you're can
Harbridge had a toll We came on a the Waterview
on ramps being at a party up and and ends
up on the western boat Away and oh, we're going
the wrong direction. Came onto the Waterview on ramp and
rolled in a little Anglia, little fort Anglia and then

(47:28):
had to go across the Harbor Bridge to get to
the north shore. And the guy at the Harvbridge up,
let's take the window out because we couldn't see properly. Yeah,
the guy, the toll operator at the Harvorbridge. And that
was just the mentality, like nobody was terrible. It was jock,
but there were very few cars on the road and

(47:48):
it was I guess that's how we managed to survive it.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
But yeah, thank you so much for your call Greig.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, thank you very much taking you in.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I guess because the thing is like whether there's laws
on impairment or not, right, what the level of alcohol
or the level of anything. It's shouldn't the message been
and never drive and peered in whatever way you are impaired.
You know, if you're in doubt, you don't. Don't drives
as opposed to the idea that the government sets a

(48:18):
liver level and you and you were pushed right up
to that. You know, if you're impaired, and that includes
if you haven't slept. Yeah, you know because teak definitely fatigue.
There's so many other ways you can get appeared that
the that the police can't pull you over and do
a saliva test to find out whether you're impaired or not.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Right, ye ondred percent eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call Love to get your thoughts
about this new roadside drug testing regime that's getting rolled
out next year. It is seventeen to two back in.

Speaker 9 (48:47):
A moment.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

Speaker 15 (48:56):
Be.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Very good afternoons. You it is nineteen past two. So
we are talking about the roadside drug testing. Of course
it's been announced that will be rolled out rolled out
nationwide from next year.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Asks if the drug test is just for presents of drugs,
then the alcohol test needs to be the same. Can't
have two different systems operating side by side, both impairment
or both just use So no for presents. Well, I
mean when you when you breath test, right, that just
gives you the percentage of alcohol the blood doesn't know
how impaired you are by alcohol, because that could be

(49:29):
a physiological thing. But we come up with a number, yes,
we think that, well, the government's come up with a
number legislator that if you're over that you're considered too
drunk to drive. Some people want it lower, some people
want it higher. Yeah, but there's definitely people that claim
that they are less appeered on more alcohol or more
impaired on less alcohol.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yeah, And of other science is behind that, you know,
Like we're male and female. It's well recognized that males
process alcohol a lot quicker or slower whatever way it goes,
but they can process more alcohol than woman can. In
terms of your mobility skills. That is just the nature
of it. If you're bigger, a bigger person, then you
can have more alcohol as someone else. There's a lot
of size.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Is that a even a few of the same body mass?

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I believe it is, really I will double check that,
but I believe there is a big difference between females
and males and how much alcohol you can consume compared
to how immobilized or how that affects your mobility motor skills.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I don't think it's the case with Tracy and I
will be out on a big night and she's absolutely
onto it and sweet airs and she's she's lots more.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Than you are. A cheap date. Thought, let's get to
Craig before we get to play some messages mates, I'd.

Speaker 9 (50:40):
Be on the crap and the crap now did I'm
on that jew Amne for weight loss, and that's basically
speed from the doctors. Now. I've been on for six weeks,
driving the tuck every day, and if anything sort of
gives your energy, it makes you pay attention better. I

(51:01):
think I'm auld probably a better driver on the Jewoman
I am without.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Well, that was interesting because I was asking that question
of the executive director of the New Zealand Drug Foundation,
Sarah helm Before where there is there is different levels
of impairment from different drugs, right, So you say that
what is it called jura mine? Is that right, Craig?

Speaker 9 (51:19):
Yeah, And it's basically speed They used to give it
to the soldiers in the Vietnam War.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yes, So the same with the ADHD medicine, right, I
mean that's that's basically an upper that's basically the equivalent
of you know, rittling to people that I don't have.
ADHD basically is similar to Class A drugs, like I
don't know, some kind of some kind of speed.

Speaker 9 (51:47):
Another points on your cocaine. I despise me. But you know,
there was that eye surgeon that was up on the
murder charge that got off, which found not guilty, who
had a message, who was using Hey, now he was
still operating on people's eyes. He wanted up in court

(52:07):
for stuffing up delicate eye surgery. So I think the
impairment thing is important because you it's I'm in marijuana.
I think slows you down and just chills your out,
and nothing was a worry. You know, you probably don't focus,
but there's drugs out there that, yeah, I just and

(52:32):
then I also wonder who's going to test the test?
And you know, we can get tested at any time
during work, driving a truck round, the police can pull
me over. You know, you can't tell me how the
whole police force is not the the odd one that
has a bit of fun on the weekend.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
You say, you're saying we should be allowed to pull up,
pull up at a check point and go, okay, you
count a team. Now they want to carry guns?

Speaker 9 (52:59):
Do we want to pay people carrying guns? All I'm
saying is you know they're going to make a lot
money from it. You know, park outside with them and
hinds at the end, you're going to make a fortune.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, Now I think if you call Craig appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Yeah, thank you very much. Fair points.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Well, well I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Well, yeah, I don't want to disparage our police force
and say that they're all, you know, smoking joints on
the weekend. I don't think that's true.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well, no, just the idea that you who test the testers,
I think you've got to assume that the police are
probably running some kind of testing on on on themselves.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
I'd say so.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, but look, I'm a bunch of text messages that
hassling me. Now, I'm not saying that it's good to
be driving on these uppers, you know, the the myth
and the cocaine. I'm just saying it's a different thing. Yeah,
it's a totally different thing. And we lump all drugs
together and there's downers and uppers, and some people use

(53:57):
uppers for focus.

Speaker 13 (53:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
But having said that, if someone's been up for three
days on myth, I do not want them behind the wheel.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's there's a lot of nuance in it.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Coming up next we are going to have a chat
hopefully with someone who works in drug testing. So that's
coming up next. It is twenty five past two. Back
very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Have you
having a good afternoon?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Very good afternoon you. So we're talking about roadside drug
testing and on the line right now is Anne Louise Anderson,
who works within the drug testing industry. Very good afternoon
to you and Louise good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
And I've got to say this to you, and I
might have said this year before, because I think I've
talked to you before. But my sister's called Anna Louise
as well, and there can't be a lot of Na
Luise's around.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Beautiful name, she must be wonderful.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
She is a fantastic human being, my big sister. So
I'm very warmly disposed towards all Anna Luises. So it's
great that you've called us.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Oh great, it's a good start at a Luise, right,
So let's have a yeah, yeah, exactly. Hey, So there's
obviously been a bit of confusional concern, primarily from cannabis
users who are using it for medicinal purposes. So when
it comes to what we know so far about this
roadside drug testing regime, I take it you've you've had

(55:22):
a look over what they're proposing here, But is there
a cause for concern for some of those people?

Speaker 16 (55:30):
No, because I don't I believe that the the that
it's going to be relying upon the level that's in
the secondary sample that they take as to whether someone
is prosecuted.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Oh, we might have just lost you there, Sorry, you
pick up. We just lost you for a bit, and Luise,
you just packed back up, carry on, okay.

Speaker 16 (55:52):
So yeah, it's going to be based upon the level
and the secondary sample that they would get stood down
from driving when they if they test positive on the
road with the initials, with the initial slight or with
the second first and the tertiary or the food sample
that they give, they would be stood down from driving

(56:13):
because it's identifying a risk. Because can I point out
that a drug test is never an impairment test ever?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
M Why is that? Why is that? Exactly? Is that
because the different effects you know, on people's physiology from drugs,
so you would never be able to really know how impaired.
Some are worse, Like what does I mean like the
walking along, touching the nose and stuff, you know that,
you know, walking ladybirdsteps? Whatever? Does that? Does that give

(56:41):
you any ex idea?

Speaker 16 (56:42):
So that is that is not an impairment test either, walking?
You know, like because I've seen some people quite intoxicated
able to walk a line and do all sorts of
things that would make someone think they're not intoxicated. But
if they got put under pressure and had to make
an immediate decision, they'd probably make a completely different one
when they're under the influence of something or impacted by it.

(57:05):
And I mean, I don't like to use the word impairment,
but impairment is a quite a complex cognitive reaction time test,
and you know a drug test can never be that.
But then are you going to sit down with someone
for an hour on the side of the road and
test them to see whether they're cognitively impaired? No, you're not.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yes, very impredible, So we're really.

Speaker 16 (57:27):
Just so the drug test is just proving that risk
to safety and driving and it's and it's well documented.
I mean, everyone that gets prescribed medicinal cannabis is told
that it's going to be impairing and that they shouldn't
be driving within a certain period of time. And I
would add to that that, you know, if they've not

(57:49):
got really good oral hygiene, then they should probably leave
it a little bit longer.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Right, Okay, you have good to know. So I mean, look,
it's quite a it's broad across across most of the
illicit substances within the act once it gets to the lab.
Is there some concern around that? An luise that it
is a broad brush approach and you all know why
they're trying to do it because you don't want tom
pair drivers on the road, which I think we can
all get behind. But when you treat all of those

(58:15):
substances the same is that when it starts to get complex.

Speaker 16 (58:21):
You know, the confermatory process where they're looking at there
I think it's fifteen other drugs or something where I'm
not quite sure how many, but when they're looking at
different other drug classes in the confirmation, I think we
have to trust our science to actually be packing up
when and at what level a substance is a risk

(58:42):
and was a risk. So I think we have to
trust it because it's what we've got to work with.
And I do think it's it's really great that these
are only going to be tested. These other ones are
only going to be tested in someone that's giving an
initial indication on the preliminary test.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
So yeah, I mean, but I don't get there's a
text that's coming through. I'm not sure where you're going
with this map because I've been discussing this before, but
surely you're not happy with people using cocaine myth to
be out driving. Goodness, Let's hope we are trying to
keep our roads safe. Maybe you're just trying to be provocative,
says Joe. No, but the question I'm trying to ask
you to the bottom of this is you're treating everything

(59:23):
the same. So I think we'd all agree that alcohol
is very different from cannabis, but cannabis is quite different
from cocaine. So the impairments level or the you know,
do we have information on that whether because we understand
that cocaine and meth and fetamin has terrible societal effects, right,

(59:44):
But is the lumping all these drugs together as one
thing when they have very different effects on the brain.
Is that helpful or is that confusing? Or you know,
you're trying to get what I'm what I'm trying to
say handle is I've lost myself halfway through my question yet.

Speaker 16 (01:00:00):
Well, actually, it's it's interesting that you say that, you know,
cannabis and alcohol are okay, they're you know, not okay,
but you know they're less harmful. And yes, they're both
type C drugs and they're both depressants. They both have
the same sort of impact on a person's performance or
the live the potential to have the same sort of
impact and risk in someone driving Type A drugs or

(01:00:25):
Class A drugs like your cocaine and your meth amphetamine
and heroines for that matter. Yeah, they cause more harm
to a person that's taking them, and you know, but
they have the same sort of damaging effects on a
person that can impact their ability to handle a motor

(01:00:45):
vehicle safely. It's the difference between the met and petamine.
Person is probably going to be screaming down the road
of one thousand miles an hour making very poor repecisions,
and the person and the cannabis on, the cannabis and
the alcohol is probably going to be driving slowly and
constant trying to concentrate because it does affect people's ability

(01:01:07):
to concentrate. And you know, and is that as much
of a danger, I would say it is. Have you
ever come around a corner and come across someone that's
just stopped in the middle of the road just as
much of a danger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Well, see, we also have to go back to.

Speaker 16 (01:01:24):
What is in the in post mortem from fatalities on
our roadside, and I think cannabis does present itself quite
frequently in those.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
And Louise, we're loving having a chat with you because
you've got a lot of expertise in this area. Are
you a carenatis whole? We've got the headlines hot on
our tail, but we've got a couple more questions for you.
Certainly brilliant. We are speaking to Anne Louise Anderson, who
works within the drug testing space. She does have a
background in bioscience, business and corporate governance as well, so

(01:01:54):
we're going to pick this pack up very shortly. It
is twenty five to three.

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Ethan Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Adams, thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty one
to two three. So we have been discussing the roadside
drug testing that is going to be rolled out nationwide
from next year. It's going to start in Wellington next month.
And we were having a chat with Anne Luise Anderson.
She works within the drug testing space. She's got a
background in bioscience and she's back with us now. Thanks
for hanging on a Louise.

Speaker 16 (01:03:35):
That's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
So just in regards to they're going to effectively roll
it out in Wellington first and the assumption there and
I've just been having a look at the Minister's press
release is effectively that's a chance to iron out any kinks.
What do you expect may come out of that first
run of it when it does start in Wellington? Are
you expecting some fish hooks to pop up in that
first round?

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
Well?

Speaker 16 (01:03:59):
I think it's just so they can get around the
timing and how they cope with I mean, like anything,
you need to have a test bed for it because
drug testing is it's not complex, but it requires people
to be trained in it and too. Yeah, so I
think that's the main reason they were just wanting to

(01:04:20):
have a bit of a test run. I think it's
a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Do you know how well it's worked in australiax I've
got this text from any boys. Why do we think
New Zealand is different? Ossie? Drug detection works well? Just
do as the aussis does. The complexities have all been sorted.
Don't know why kiwis want to reinvent things that have
been already done offshore. So has it worked well in Australia?

Speaker 16 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I think it has worked well in Australia. I
mean I think it's got a place in roads safety definitely,
But yeah, New Zealand is a little bit out of
the box because we're not testing for just the presence
of the drug. We're actually testing for it at the
same levels that we test for in the workplace, which

(01:05:02):
is above a certain level, it will be considered positive
rather than you know, any presence of it whatsoever. So
I think they are making it more complicated for themselves,
the New Zealand Police, and making it more complicated for themselves.
But it's still the same way of reading a drug test.

(01:05:22):
It's either going to be positive or it's going to
be negative.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
So just looking at some of the prescription drugs, and
many people have mentioned pseudoethedrin, which is obviously you can
buy over the counter now from pharmacies and correct me
if I'm wrong, but that is is it effectively amphetamine
or it's certainly in the class of amphetamine.

Speaker 16 (01:05:42):
It's in the mess amphetamine or amphetamine type substances yesterday,
that's in that classification.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
So that likely will be picked up and if it
gets to the lab then that may be one of
the drugs detected.

Speaker 16 (01:05:55):
No, it'll be detected on the road side and it
will get detected in the confirmation which is done in
the laboratory. But I don't know what significance they would
give to a pseud a dream that was positive in
that particular instance. I mean, in how it works in

(01:06:15):
workplace drug testing, is that sous a dream if it
came up, then the person would have to have proof
of having it legally dispensed. And if it was then
legally dispensed and that proof was given, then they would
look at the level that was in the specimen that
they the person gave at the time of testing, and
they would compare it to what the person is supposed

(01:06:37):
to be taking, because you know, we do know that
people do abuse those as well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Yeah, and Louise, it's been great to chat with you.
So just a quick final question. Overall, you think this
is a good thing and by the looks of it,
it looks like it will work effectively.

Speaker 16 (01:06:54):
I think I think drug testing or drugs driving testing
is well over due for New Zealand. And Yeah, I
think that it's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Definitely, really good to get your expertise. Thank you very
much for coming on the show. Great afternoon, it's pleasure.

Speaker 16 (01:07:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
That is Anne Louise Anderson, who works within the drug
testing industry and has a background in bioscience.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
It's interesting because your name is Alouise. My elder sister's
names Enloes. My other two sisters are called Imogen and Catherine,
and I kept on wanting to call it Imagine or Catherine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
You did, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
In the break, I said, what question are you're going
to ask Imagen after the news? And you were like,
who's Who's Imagen? My sister?

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Is your middle sister, but no, Imagine, it's my younger sister, right,
Catherine's my middle sister, yeah, and Anoz is my eldest sister.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
All beautiful names, great New Zealander. Yeah, great news.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Fantastic people. But that wasn't any of them?

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
No, no, not a family member.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
No, but just not just strangely had the same name
and Luise, and you don't You don't meet a lot
of en Luise's in your time, do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
You certainly don't.

Speaker 11 (01:07:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Can you get your thoughts on what Anne Louise had
to say?

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
My husband is a long term cannabis user, says this text.
He works hard, doesn't drink, and he is a great
husband and father. My ex husband of twenty five years
as a functioning alcoholic, I know which husband has given
me a happiest, safer life. My concern is the time
delay between smoking cannabis and testing positive. I read it
was up to three days, which is a little ridiculous.

(01:08:19):
Says within a twelve hours, depending on the amount of
and length of time indulging, he would have no impairment.
Although he's a long term regular user. He has no
time for impaired drivers. That's from Wendy. Yeah, I mean
up to seventy two days. The cannabis can stay in
your system and be detected. Yeah, but you would assume
that after three days, since you last had a PAT

(01:08:40):
or two, you're probably not as not that impaired, Yeah,
at all impeered.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
It is sixteen to three. But taking more of your
calls on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and
the text number nine two nine to two.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Matdeath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty it's mad Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
They'd be afternoons. So so many tikes have come through
on nine two nine two about this roadside drug testing
that's coming into effect from next.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Year, Neil says, don't you just laugh? All the munters
just to find their ability to drive under the influence
of drugs based on whether they think they're impeered or not.
As the same question of ask the same question of
your airline pilot or surgeon. Happy for them to do
their job with drugs in their system? I think, not
happy to share the road with drug and peered drivers.
It's about time we remove the drug munters from our roads.

(01:09:26):
Regard as Neil, Yeah, I mean, you definitely don't want
empeer drivers on the road. No, But I guess the
complications around this are people that are taking legal marijuana
medical marijuana but aren't impaired yep, because of when they
took it, and that staying their system for up to
three days and the fact that maybe they can find

(01:09:47):
that out later, but they've already been pinged with by
having their driving suspended for twelve hours while it gets tested.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Yeah, which is a massive hassel.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
So it is complicated, but I think we'd all agree
we don't want empeered drivers on the road. But as
I was saying before, impeered drivers, there's all kinds of
peered drivers. It's interesting that the messages and just don't
as a blanket don't drive on your impaired you know,
whatever way that may be, whether it's lack of sleep,
whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Sure and how are you mate?

Speaker 17 (01:10:17):
I met in Tyler, Good afternoon. I agree with some
of your early callers about the munters. I personally want
to want to do any activity when you're impaired. I'm
a hunter. I wouldn't care around a rifle when I've
been drinking. I don't do drugs. I'm in the fitness
quad a bit. I grew up in the eighties when
they're wearing like six hundred road desks a year, drink

(01:10:37):
driving and people classified as a public health risk, which
it was, and a mass of campaign brought that down.
But my sister's a physician and I'm not a I'm
a chemicalion jae by trade. But I asked her she's helped.
She's encountered youth and other people on both ends of spectrum. Obviously,
with the marijuana and the downers, it affects reaction time,

(01:10:58):
and the same thing the people who are on the uppers,
they're tense. Imagine a fifteen year old who just got
to lift the idea all tents behind the world of car.
Same sort of thing. And a car traving at a
hundred or fifty, one hundred ks or fifty ks. It's
the reaction time and the amount of reaction. It doesn't
matter how their body is impaired, as if they can
if they're tense and they're traveling at high speed and

(01:11:18):
they suddenly jerk the wheel. Someone on an upper or
a metabolic stimulant can be as dangerous as a person
on a downer. I agree it should be blanket. There
should be no milligram limit. If you've got alcohol, you've
got whatever it is. If you're any subtances, and there
shouldn't be a demarketed line. They should, they should be banned.
You wouldn't want to, like I said, a surgeon, or

(01:11:40):
someone's offerating who's impaired, and yeah, it's just nuts. If
you're traveling one hundred kg one hundred k thing of
the reaction time, even if you're hyped up and you're
going to make one little mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
It's interesting to say that, Sean, because I was I
was involved. About ten years ago, I hosted this documentary
called Driving High, which was a documentary looking into impairment,
and we flew over to Colorado and shot it in
Denver and it was it was good, you know, as
legalization of marijuana was coming into effect over there, and

(01:12:12):
we hired a race track. Actually, when I say we,
I was just a host. So the people that were
running it hired a racetrack and we had people driving
around it who were stoned and people that were drunk,
and people that were drunk and stone and we were
flashing red lights at them and testing different reaction times

(01:12:32):
with things popping out from the side and such. And
I'll tell you what, the people that were absolutely terrible
at driving were the people that were drunk and stoned.
That that double impairment was just so very very bad.

Speaker 17 (01:12:50):
I think we've got a cultures country, a lot of
I'm i'm a miarly fifties, but and the youth maybe
say twenty to thirty, who it's not just a drug
that is a drink, it's a it's a cocktail of entertainment,
you know, pleasures, whatever there's when their evening is going out,
and they tend to mix them and you can have
doesn't have to be broken, it doesn't have to be

(01:13:10):
raining that the road doesn't have to be poorly maintained
someone jumps out. There's also in Colorado in California where
they've got the legalized medical marijuana quite extensive. I've got
marijuana farms and all the rest of it. There's a
lot of people who aren't medicinally required they buy it
a thh level is lower, but there's been an increasing

(01:13:30):
amount of nose to tails. Not fatal, but you know,
maiming accidents or accent through people who they say, we'sh
your license to divide the minute and oh we just
got into the store. Because they sell to anybody. But
I'm just very very conscious. I think we should have
no impairment either alcohol. It should be a blanket band.
I appreciate it. It's a controversial subject, but it's going

(01:13:52):
to take one person who's overly hyped up driving a
high speed to cause a major accident. But yeah, Relivan
VI would pick up a few.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
That's absolutely true.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Sure, yeah, good point.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I'll tell you what. When I was shooting that documentary
driving high I had to drive around and on the
right side of the road, and I was completely sober
old time, But just the fact I was on the
wrong side of the road I was driving compared especially
especially a big left turn.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Oh my god, that is freaky. When you're in the
right right hand driving country, that is scary as all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Well, you feel like you're hanging out in the middle
of nowhere when you're going around the corner in that
kind of situation. Car parks will also get you as
well when you're on the right side of the road.
But just to finish off, my thoughts are on that drive. Actually,
I'll come back in the break and I'll tell you
a little bit more about that test that we did
over in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Yeah. Great, it is eight to three. Back in a month,
the issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
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Speaker 11 (01:14:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
It is four to three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
There's a great discussion this textas says Matt, you appear
to be an apologist for druggies. Thirty percent of road
death casualties have drugs in their system. A few I
have not been at all, but I don't think. I
think we can have a conversation where you ask if
there's a difference between the impairments between ups and downers,
and I think we've got the answer that there is
a difference, but there are still impairments. So you know,
we can have these discussions. What I will say is

(01:15:15):
about these tests that we did over in Denver with
this racetrack and putting lights on and drunk people and
Stone people and drunken Stone people, I'd say I was
disappointed with how good the sober drivers were as well. Right,
the drunken Stone people couldn't basically not drive. Yeah, they
were terrible. These Stone people were not great, and the
sober people were the best, but still very poor drivers

(01:15:39):
still mediocame.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yeah, yeah, fascinating. How you can go and watch that documentary.
By the way, I'll be watching tonight. It's called Driving
High and you can find that on YouTube. It's under
the old TA doa science agency page. That looks like
a great watch. Right, coming up after three o'clock, we
want to have a chat about camping. Is it too
late to get a spot in Some of those camping
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Definitely don't drive on LSD.

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Hey, so I've just I'm going to update something. So
I was saying on a previous show, maybe because the
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and I said on you once you set up your TV,
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And that's going right now, I reckon it's until your
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It's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
My internet's not going.

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What good is it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Tellly, if you don't have the internet, I know because
it all comes through. It all comes through.

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It's a smart TV, so you need your apps going.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
It's terrible how dependent I am on the internet. But
I'm just all at sea because I can't seem to
work out my internet situation. And you know, I'm just
wondering if our bosses are listening, we'll be able to
take the the last hour off the show today so
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get that sort.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Of we all know how punishing that as well. If
you're listening, you know we're only ten steps away. So
we'll just see if he pops in here and gives
the thumbs up or not. It is. That's a messive
amount of Edmond. If you've got internet issues, and as
I said before, it's a human right, that's effectively like
depriving you of food and water, this company, this ISP,
depriving you of your god given right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Look, I just want to say they. I don't think
two Degrees have done anything wrong here it I probably
shouldn't mention this situation them specifically. They just happened to be.
I was on my republic right yep. And then my
republic disappeared because my republic with the good gaming Internet
people for a while there. Then they disappeared and they
got enveloped into two degrees. And then because you never

(01:17:52):
look at your internet, becausion again. It just blasts on
and they charge you and it just keeps going and going.
I never checked back in yep. And so when I
move house, I'm like, go to talk to two degrees,
iming to my republic, and they don't exist in colm Burger.
So then I try and talk to two degrees, and
then there's just confusion between the accounts.

Speaker 17 (01:18:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
But I just really want my Internet on because I'm
just thinking, I just bought this new TV and I
just want to set it.

Speaker 17 (01:18:17):
Up for you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Man, I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
I'm all at sea.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Yeah, you are all at sea without my internet. I
mean it's pathetic. My internet's humming. I don't know why
I said that, but you know, I feel for you.
You need it. You need the Internet.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
For hundreds of thousands of years, Homo sapien sapiens have
been able to live without houses, without electricity, and definitely
without the Internet. But now we've become so soft, mody
colored and weak that we almost can't exist without our
Internet collection at our house.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
But once you have a taste, you know you need more.
You need more. It's like a drug.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Well yeah, I mean you get a luxury, you're excited
about it, and then that becomes standard and then you
can't live without it. That's the problem with luxuries.

Speaker 10 (01:18:55):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Well, well gone speed man. Good luck to you. I
really hope by the time you get home. Yeah, we
haven't seen will yet, so I think that's to know.
You've got to carry on. Four o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Oh, look, I love the show. I loved it doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Yeah, but you know I'm under heavy heartship, not even one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
There's a lot of pressure on you at the moment. Right,
let's get into this one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
So if you are two degrees and you want to
ring through an eight hundred and eighty teen eighty on
the topic we're about to talk about, we will take
your call, and I'll also ask you to sort my
intern that out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
There we go. Invitation is there? Right, let's get into
this one. So, according to an article, it is bad
news if you're still looking to book a camping getaway
over summer New Zealand's Many of New Zealand's most popular
sites are already heavily or fully booked, according to many
camp site owners and operator So David Ovandale, he's the
CEEO of the Top ten Holiday Parks Group. I've got
a rout forty nine properties around the country and he's

(01:21:08):
is they all have slightly nuanced really true that you
can't find anywhere to pop your tents up over the
summer period?

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Yeah? Or is it's just people go into the big
commercial hot spot camping places. Because I think that you look,
it's only what is it the twelfth of twelfth of November.
It's the it's surely surely you can you can get
a camp site right now? Yeah, I mean, what's wrong
with the world if you can't. Oh, if you have

(01:21:38):
to be that organized, you have to book a year ago.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're in
this situation right now, or indeed you've recently picked up
the phone over the past couple of weeks and managed
to find a camping spot, love to hear from you,
and where are the hidden camping spots? We can be
slightly anonymous if you like, But were have you booked
for the summer? And where are the hot spots now?

(01:22:01):
And if you're a campsite operator, how are you going
at the moment? Are you fully booked or do you
have spaces left? Really keen to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Nine two nine two is the text number. Let's get
into it. It is twelve past.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Three US talk.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Sa'd be very.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Good afternoon to you. So if you've been listening around
the country, it appears we did go off here for
a short period of time.

Speaker 11 (01:22:21):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Clearly we're back on well at least I hope because
I'm going to keep talking into this microphone. But we
have been talking about camping hotspots. It seems like, according
to this article, are that many of the camping hot spots,
if you're trying to book them now in November, you're
probably out of luck because they get booked up pretty fast.
But if you've got a camping spot that you always
go to and you kind of book it around this time,

(01:22:42):
love to hear from you. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty did we go off here for a bit?
Apparently we did, Yeah, where I don't know, everywhere. I
think maybe just in Wellington, I don't know. Well, yeah, no,
we're just getting the big definitely in Wellington, and whether
we're off here and other places, I don't know. We
were just speaking to nobody, just me and you, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
That it's just like a little play.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Yeah, we're just.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Having a conversation, just sitting in a room, having a
very odd conversation.

Speaker 11 (01:23:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Yeah, so we are talking about the camping hotspots. Love
to hear where you are booked to stay in over
We've got the boss ring in it now you were
staying in over over summer of one hight ten eighty
A couple of ticks coming through A nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Try fitzroy Dot Grounds at Great Barrier. See, that's that's
the thing, because say they're saying that all the campsites
have gone, but that's only because people are trying to
go to the big, commercial, obvious camp sites. If you're
willing to, if you're willing to get on one of
those you know, square planes and fly over to Great Barrier,
absolutely you'll be able to get a bit of camping

(01:23:43):
spot there. Yeah, to get to What area you wanted
to go camping in? Mate, that's the question. See that
that's that's these people that are saying that it's it's
already too late to book camping sites. What area you
wanted to go on? Yeah, I mean my family but
often camp just outside Dunedin, right, and I mean on

(01:24:04):
I think it was ne Year's Day a couple of
years ago, did snow were camping, but there wasn't a
lot of people around for that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
That is good, you know, if you can brave some
pretty horrendous weather and they're all good to go.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
My sister, she's a fantastic person, Catherine. But I went
camping with her once and we arrived at the beach
and we looked like I reckon two kilometers in the
distance we could see another camper and she says, oh,
we don't have the beach to ourself. Oh no, we
don't have the beach to herself.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
So crowded down here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
I think that's that's where you if you want to
camp in Perkanuey Bay. I now I've given it away.
There'll be more people there. What was it called Perakanoey Bay?
Noted down in the Cantlands.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Yep, Oh, beautiful spot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
And then you'll you'll get you there's plenty of space. Yeah,
but it might snow.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
There was a text here, Yeah, there we go. There
was a text here about mar Poo a holiday park.
Here it is mark Poo, a holiday park top of
the South Island in the summer months. You are able
to get your kid off.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Yeah, well you didn't see anything about the booking situation.
I imagine that's like it's fully booked.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Okay. We went off in Mourronsville, we went off in
christ Church. Does that mean we went off like we
were amazing or we were off here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
That's how I read it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Po poor christ Church and for Cargo Ashburden, Cambridge Hastings.
What incredible content did people miss?

Speaker 8 (01:25:24):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Poor poor people? I mean that was some of the
best stuff that we've ever done. So it appears we
went off everywhere. So thank you very much. I mean,
keep those techs coming in if you like. But keen
to get your camping stories. O eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Where are you
booked and to stay over summer? And as it really
is booked out as you think it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Is, Oh my goodness, we went off in Tiadaha.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
That's a nice that's a nice place to camp.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
It's confusing because people because we've got two questions going
at the same time. One is where can you still
find a place to camp?

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
And the other one over the Christmas holidays and the
other one is where we went off here? So is
this person saying that we went off here in Moronsville
or Moronsville's a good place to camp over the summer break?

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Yeah? Look, I'll tell you what. Let's play some messages
and we're going to reset this topic and get back
on track.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Here the wheels have come off. The wheels have come off.
We'll take a break, we'll put the wheels back on,
get those wing nuts back on, We'll get focused, and
we'll get back on with the rest of the show.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Look to it right nineteen Bass three. Back of the Month, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty eighty
on News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
ZV afternoon to you twenty two pass three. So let's
reset this topic. We are talking about camping over summer.
So according to this article, it's bad news if you're
still looking for a camping get away. Many, they say,
of New Zealand's most popular sites are already heavily or
fully booked for the summer holidays. They quote to David Ovendale,
he's the CEO of the top ten holiday Parks Great

(01:26:55):
great camping spots. By the way, they've got forty nine
properties around the country and they all have slightly new
nuanced picks, he says. But from Boxing day till about
the tenth or eleventh of jan you would either have
to be very lucky or very flexible to get something
at this point, says David. So we can you hear
from you. Are you one of those procrastinators who leaves
it to about now to try and book your campaign

(01:27:19):
spot over summer O eight hundred eighty ten eighty And
surely there must be some great spots, I mean, even
if they are a little bit secret or a little
bit off the beaten track. Love to hear from you.
Where do you stay?

Speaker 11 (01:27:29):
Hi? Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
You can stay at christ which means prison for free
over Christmas and New Year's all meals, accommodation fully paid for.
Thanks Matt. You know I appreciate that, Matt. I don't
know what's it like? What are the views like?

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Yeah, I don't know. If you get much sunshine, good swimming? Yeah,
he's got a nice ball. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
to eighty is the number to call? Can I just say, look,
I'll get some pushback on this and bring it on.
But the whole idea of priority booking for families who
have booked a camping spot year in and year out,
sometimes through generations, I don't know how I feel about that.

(01:28:02):
Actually I do know how I feel about that. I
hate it. KAITERII Terry is a prime example that if
you're a family that's been there for fifty years, then
you get the first chance to book that again A
hit at anybody else?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
What's wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Because I want a shot. I'm not one of the
elite families who have had the chance to stay there
for fifty years. I kind of want to, you know,
at least offer it to a lottery situation.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Hang them. Someone owns it, runs a camp site, right,
and they know that some people will a good campers yep,
and they've got a relationship with them and they come
back year after year. Do you know you say that, like,
you know what, year forty nine you kick them out?
What's your problem with that? That's just jealousy, that's just
you don't have so you want what the haves have.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
That's exactly what it is. I'm not hiding away from
that fact. But you know, I give them ten years.
Ten years is plenty of time you want. Then after that,
kick them out and let me in and you know
I'll cause a lot of noise complaints.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Did you read this text out? I book my Hamna
Springs camp in June. Don't want to miss out. So
that is that how far back you have to book
at June? See? Because as I said, before you get
these people that their book next year. As they're walking
out on their way out from the holiday, they've got
the car packed up. They pull up at the front
desk and they book next year. And I'm such a
commitment for I can't do that. I don't know where
I'm going to be in a year from then.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Pete, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
Get Pete? Hello? Pello?

Speaker 10 (01:29:30):
Gooday?

Speaker 9 (01:29:31):
Christ Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Chris?

Speaker 13 (01:29:33):
Is it? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
There's Pete's not even close.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
I'm sorry, mate, you just felt like a PiZZ to me.
I'm sorry for that.

Speaker 12 (01:29:45):
Hey, here's a thought, am I just checked g BT
to find me a campsite over Christmas from Auckland north
or north of Aalkland that allowed for two people and
a dog, and that gave.

Speaker 18 (01:30:03):
Me a list.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 18 (01:30:04):
And I mean, and then it seems to me, would
you like those home numbers provided or would you like
me to go online and check actual availability?

Speaker 12 (01:30:19):
So my suggestion is get on chat CBT.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
And yeah, but I mean, I've got to I've got
a couple of problems with that.

Speaker 17 (01:30:27):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
We've got to be better than just using chat TVT
to do this kind of stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:30:31):
For us m C.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
You can't trust them. You can't trust hallucinations. Yeah, I mean,
because numbers are going to go, it'll go through. Have
you set up agents through that? Chris, So you've just
gone straight raw into chet GBT.

Speaker 12 (01:30:44):
Straight raw into chat TBT.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I just, you know,
like in the past with chet GVT, what's happened to
me is it's so confident, it's so sure that that
it feels you full of confidence and then you you
ring that number and what it's done is it's read
the site and the way the site is positive and
it can be confusing. It's a good, good place.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Chris, Thank you very much, mate. Chet cheap Eta might
be the answer to some people, but tread carefully. Oh
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of cool?
Nine two nine two is the text?

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
I live in Topo, have a good sized backyard you
could park your tent on.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
That's a good offer. You've got a pretty solid tent.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Big campground in gold Sand Bay. Ask confirmation for the
following year by February.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Yeah. See again. I mean, look, if you're heavy enough
to book as soon as you're leaving that campground in
January for the year ahead. Fair play to you, but
I just think in the you know, in all fairness,
should there not just be a stand down period for
a couple of months, wait until March and let everybody
go in at the same time like the Great Walks,
you know, just open it up at the same time.

(01:31:54):
Everyone go hell for leather and try and get in.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Well, it's like trying to book Metallica tickets. Well you
you just have to refresh and refresh and fresh until
you get in in the site explodes, just go camping.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Give it to ticket Master to solve, out to solve,
and then people like you and me might actually get
a chance. All right, all right? Oh e one hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number to call headlines with
railing coming on?

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are there any campsites
out there that are still available for our some holiday bookings.

Speaker 8 (01:32:22):
US talks it'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's
no trouble with a blue bubble. The police minister says
he's extremely disappointed by a report revealing senior police didn't
investigate allegations when they were made against a former Deputy
Police Commissioner, they weren't checked out at the time and
the complainant was charged with harassment. A public health professor

(01:32:46):
says New Zealand's decline in ratings indexing safeguards against tobacco
industry interference is a damning indictment. Jan Hook says our
country has been letting big companies infiltrate policy making. Labour's
express support for the passing of the Medicine's Amendment Bill,
saying speeding up approvals is laudable. I am hope found

(01:33:08):
under Mike King is looking for a new chief executive
for the youth mental health charity behind gun Boot Friday.
A neighborhood group in Auckland's Freeman's Bay is urging locals
to flood the council in Box, objecting to a planned
nine story development, clad and vibrant purple and blue. It'll
be named the Kubrick, after the US movie maker Big Bash,

(01:33:31):
Super Smash, or something else. Alex Pale looks at the
future of New Zealand's T twenty cricket League. You can
read the full column at end.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Said here.

Speaker 8 (01:33:38):
Ald Premium macnaw to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Thanks you very much, Raylan. We're talking about camp spots
over some many operators are saying it's almost fully booked
and many people even book and jen as soon as
they leave in the summer, they book again for the
next year. So love to hear where your campid spots are.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Jay, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
How's it going, Lad?

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Very good. You've got a family of six.

Speaker 5 (01:34:00):
We've got a family of six, me and my wife,
our three boys in our daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
And we're you in your big campus.

Speaker 11 (01:34:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Yeah, So every year we don't have a specific campsite
we go to every year. Every year the wife will
choose the choose the area. The following year, I'll choose
one and then obviously go back to then back to me.
So we've been camping the last six years and we've
done uh, the last six years, we've done Top ten

(01:34:33):
Holiday parks. This year we've decided to go up north
to a private campsite out in rural Caracker. We we
love the Top ten Holiday parks. They're amazing for families
and stuff like that, and it goes them because of
the swimming pools and facilities they they got there well

(01:34:57):
for this year like we are. Yeah, going up north
to rural car I've never been. There are great stories
about it, but yeah, it's we tend to book, We
find a place of interest and then we pray about it.
Nine times out of ten day were arks would you
like to stay powered or unpowered sites? And then make

(01:35:20):
make the decision and then they'll give us you know. Yeah,
these are the data available if you want to take it,
put a deposit down and you can see the rest
when you come through the gate.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
How long in advancewer you booking those? Those are you booking?

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Juh?

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
We normally ten support by midwinter and then by then
we can either you know, get some new camp stuff
or be what we need and what not. But well,
it also plays a big part when you're also camping,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
And so I mean mid June, that's that's not too
bad for most of us. So you always manage to
find a pretty good spot. If your book six months
a year.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
Yeah, yeah, it does. It does help. I mean, obviously
in the Christmas rush, everyone's you know, you go to Christmas,
all sin of stuff works finished up and that all
Christmas vibers happening and whatnot. When it does, it does
pay to just balking at once.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Yeah, got any pets with you? Do they allow pets?

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
Nah, no, Yeah, we've like family of four kids, like
lasting I want to do. We've got two dogs and
we've always had someone to come in house for so
I just want to We normally just want to go relax,
explore the area that we've gone going to camp at
and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
And yeah, yeah sounds awesome up and real karka beautiful
place the Northland. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
that number of cour Plenty of texts coming through on
nine to nine to two.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
If I was that camping ground, and I would definitely
look after my long term campers that I knew, rather
than taking a gamble on some twitch turning up that
doesn't fit. Take that however you want. That's from Clive.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Yeah, oh look that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
I mean I think you're running a sort of a
sort of a policy of envy there, Tyler. So you're saying,
these people have been camping here for years and years
and years, they get the good spots. I want the
good spots. Therefore, it's morally wrong that they keep getting
the good spots.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
You've summed that up very nicely. Thank you, Matt. How
are you mate?

Speaker 14 (01:37:27):
Yeah, hey guys, Yeah, I just wanted to talk about
a weekend that my family just said and Funganui. Actually
we stayed at the Top ten holiday park there and
I had an amazing experience. It was really really cool.
So sort of following on from what the previous callers
said about his experience of the Top Ten, couldn't recommend
it super safe for families, well equipped. Yeah, everyone's seen

(01:37:48):
to be on the same wavelengths.

Speaker 11 (01:37:49):
I've having a good time.

Speaker 14 (01:37:50):
There's no one racking up and causing trouble.

Speaker 18 (01:37:52):
It was a really cool experience.

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
I mean, I think camping is the you know, whenever
I go camping and you're in the holiday park like
that and you meet all the people around you. Last
time I was doing it, last year, I was doing
this and I was thinking billionaires would ever do this.
But it's actually the best holiday, isn't it, Matt? Because
you meet the people next door, You end up meeting
people and walking around. It's a great communal experience.

Speaker 14 (01:38:19):
You meet people from all over the world, and it's
really really cool, you know, because as a save runs
on the same wavelengths of just enjoying the scenery and
enjoying the surroundings. And yeah, the experience that we had
and fung Annui was brilliant. The people there that around
the place were great. We've got kids, and we're there
with my sisters who have got kids, and they just
basically rhams around free range.

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
Yeah, a great time.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Really sounds pretty good. I'm going to keep asking this, Matt,
because I think it's important for me. Do they allow dogs?

Speaker 14 (01:38:47):
You know what, We don't have a dog, so it
never came up. And I didn't see any dogs, so
I couldn't say whether they do or they don't. Sorry,
I'm not too sure.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
It's right, all right, I'll look into that. One family
camping and wang Anui. Look, to me, that's a big thing.
I like when you're at a camping spot and you
get their communal experience. But if there's a couple of
dogies running around at the same time, I freacking love that,
it's amazing. Look, if you want to bring your cat
as well, go for gold, but dogs and all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
My style, I like sitting out the front of the
tent watching people turn up, and then you watch them
sitting up the tent. You just sit out there with
the beer, you go, who's the neighbor is going to
be for the next few days? These it's so interesting
and then you go and have a chat and next
thing you know, you're playing cricket with them. It's just
the absolutely the best thing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Yeah, love it. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.
Is that number two?

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Call?

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Have you left it too late to find a camping
spot over summer? And if you've already booked one, where
are you going? And what is it like? Love to
hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
I've got a question. If you've got a farm saying
you've got a paddock, can you just call that a
campsite and people can come and camp there? Or do
you have to get it registered?

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
If you just say as is, we're as camping, so
you're not providing any services? Can I mean might get
a bit mucky, but can you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Who's going to stop you?

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
What do you have to do to be a campsite?

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If that's you, it
is twenty two to four.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
They'd be for a good afternoons. Sure, it is a
nineteen to four and we're talking about camp spots over summer.
If you yet to book, what do you think your
chances are? And if you're already booked and ready to go,
where is your camping hotspot? Love to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Cat?

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
How are you?

Speaker 17 (01:40:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:40:30):
Hi?

Speaker 18 (01:40:30):
Good?

Speaker 11 (01:40:31):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
And we're about to use Kaine.

Speaker 11 (01:40:33):
So Portway Keadow Holiday Park nice not too far from Auckland,
like just out of pook.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
K And how how recently? How far out do you
have to book that?

Speaker 17 (01:40:45):
Cat?

Speaker 11 (01:40:47):
They pretty much have space over Christmas, Like it never
gets booked out. It's it's quite a big park and
there always seems to be spare spots, so it might
be one to get into.

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
Yeah, and it's got a good beach, good fishing.

Speaker 11 (01:41:03):
A great great surf, beach fishing, jump off the wall.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
Yeah, he hates to do how good?

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
And does it get pretty full noise over summer? Is
there a lot of people that.

Speaker 11 (01:41:12):
Start to you know, I mean yeah, I mean there's
a lot of visitors over summer, but it's not a
massive place, so it's still pretty a nice, little sleepy village.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Nice and yeah, and you get a wea visit for
your center as well or your lad dogs.

Speaker 11 (01:41:32):
Yeah and loud dogs. Yeah. Santa comes around on the
fire truck and does a lolly scramble in the campground,
but he goes around the whole port. He goes round
all the streets. So it's not a very big place.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
And how long do you how long do you normally
stay there over a break?

Speaker 11 (01:41:48):
I'm a teacher, so on there for the whole six weeks?

Speaker 9 (01:41:50):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
How good?

Speaker 5 (01:41:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
What's it like? Because I always find it's really weird
when you return to back to normal civilization when you've
been you've been camping and all you really do is
get up, you do some stuff. You've really focused on
the meals and sort of just living like humans are
meant to do you find it? Do you find it
really odd to returned to back to normal civilization after
six weeks?

Speaker 11 (01:42:11):
Yeah? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
Yeah, Yeah, I'll get there is living the life though,
six weeks in a beautiful spot like Port wait Keatto
Holiday Park.

Speaker 11 (01:42:19):
Now we'll go to a little head and it's a
little head and secret really like, I'm surprised that it
doesn't get full up, but it doesn't seem to. So
if someone's looking somewhere, it might be a good one
to check out Nice because I'm pretty sure they'll still
have bookings available.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
Yeah, that is great to.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Okay port Way ketto Holiday Park.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Nice one, Thank you very much. Kat nine two is
the text number. But let's have a check to Darren
get mate. How are you Darren?

Speaker 9 (01:42:47):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:42:48):
Good boys?

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
How are you? Bloody goods?

Speaker 15 (01:42:51):
That's sorry, yeah, I just going up and that you've
got abo. Our camping story. We used to camp at
a place called Boddy Caho, which is in the curramand
or just over there for the anger and we were
on a farm but just jump over the internue, riding
on the water, you know, and no facilities at all,

(01:43:15):
so we had to take everything there.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
So how did you score that? So it's a farm
right by the beach. Did you know the farm owner
or what? You just knocked on a door and said, hey,
do you mind if we park up here?

Speaker 15 (01:43:27):
I'm not too sure how it originally started that My
wife's family had been camping there since she was about
two years old, you know, so, and we're in our
fifties now, so.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
It had been a wee while that they've been camping there,
you know, yeah, yeah, how good. And how many of
you set up set up shop there.

Speaker 15 (01:43:49):
So I've got three kids or we've got three kids,
and we'd always have in laws and friends coming, so
they generally be maybe eight or twelve of us have
just depended on on her had time after, like the
caller before. My wife's a teacher, so we would set

(01:44:09):
up and she would.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Be there for all of January, and there's we're finding
out that if you're married to a teacher or your teacher,
then you know, you can be at that campsite a
very very long time.

Speaker 15 (01:44:19):
Yeah, oh, one hundred percent. I mean our three kids
are born in October, November, and December, and our middlesn
who was born in December, we went camping two weeks after.

Speaker 18 (01:44:32):
He was born, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Yeah, as your wife sitting there preparing marketing student papers
and preparing for the next year's lessons. Well while you're
at the campsite there, Darren.

Speaker 15 (01:44:42):
No, it's a holiday Maliday.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Very honest of your mate, Thank you very much. It
sounds blessed. What a good man O e. One hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number of cool. Where
are you staying over summer? Where have you booked your
camping hotspot? Ethan? How are you?

Speaker 17 (01:44:57):
Man?

Speaker 8 (01:44:58):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:44:58):
Hey you guys, how's it going?

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Very good?

Speaker 19 (01:45:00):
That's good? So I thought I'd just share our favorite
camping spot, which is foot Through Holiday Park.

Speaker 5 (01:45:06):
Can you put us right?

Speaker 11 (01:45:08):
Tell us?

Speaker 19 (01:45:09):
Each year the last four years we've stayed there in
early January, have never booked in advance, probably the week before,
and have always managed to get a good spot. It
doesn't seem to ever completely full out, full up, and
as a really great spot. The kids absolutely love at
the beaches right across from the campground, massive bike track

(01:45:32):
that goes from town up to a bridget.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
I've just looked it up. It's beautiful. Look at that.

Speaker 19 (01:45:40):
It's definitely our favorite spot. The kids always want to
go about that. I wish we could stay there for
as long as some of the teachers, for six weeks.
Usually only a week for us before we get back
into the are you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Are you camping or you one of in one of
the cabins with an on suite.

Speaker 19 (01:45:56):
No, so we're camping. We've got we've got our camp
camp set up with the inflatable tent and the warning
on the route on the nap I reckon.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
One of the best parts of camping at a camping
ground as going to you know, the shared facilities. You
go in there, you cook, you meet people, I think
all their Yeah, I think that's that's a big part
of it. You know the shed, I mean the sheared shower.
Is going to say that sounds sounds dodgy saying.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
The individual showers, but you know, it's just something.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
About it that your whole day becomes about, you know,
trudging off to the showers with your stuff over your shoulder,
all that kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
Stuff, shared experience and back.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Did you run a trolley to take all your stuff
to the cooking area?

Speaker 19 (01:46:36):
Yes, well, well we've got a trolley for the beach,
not for the cooking area.

Speaker 15 (01:46:41):
But it is helpful.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
It's going back to what it is to be a human.
You know, you're around other people, you're you're you're cooking
around strangers that become friends, all that kind of stuff.
It's it's the best holiday.

Speaker 19 (01:46:53):
Yeah, we do feel that it just sets us up
well for the beginning of the new year. Just kind
of getting back to the basics with just mes and
we come home quite rejuvenated.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Yeah, did you check out the I've just seen they
off for a glamping experience where they set up a
canvas tent for you and have it cut it out
ready to go. Did you look at that night?

Speaker 19 (01:47:15):
Yeah, have a too bougie for us.

Speaker 11 (01:47:17):
We like our little setup.

Speaker 13 (01:47:18):
Yep, yeah, we're happy with that.

Speaker 19 (01:47:20):
And another thing and just a new premise there at
pooky Cutter Park. They do the festival lights and we
highly recommend that for the kids each Night's on each
night and it is quite amazing if you wanted to
look into that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
And there you go. There's still places at Fitzroy Beach
Holiday Park.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Get yeah, love it, Ethan, thank you, thank you very much.
Man oh wait under it eighty ten eighty is that
number to call if you've managed to book a camping
spot over summer? Where are you staying and how booked
does it get?

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
And answering my own question because I've investigated after about
thousand people text, you can't just set up a you
can't just find a field and put up a sign
and say it's a holiday park.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Right, It's unfortunate, but makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
You have to have to register yourself as a holiday
park and go through all kinds of Yeah, you need
to you need to get We've got to get a
certificate of registration from the local authority and comply with regulations.
But it's a lot of Edmund having said that it's
your field.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
He's going to stop you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Yeah, he's going to stop you. Yeah. Set it up,
say Tyler's Holiday Park. Yeah, put up a sign yep,
Tyler's Holiday Park. Gold coin on entry, no facilities, no complaints.
If you hit yourself, you're on your own. Any problems
called the costs.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
All right, We're going to take a few more calls
on this one. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
Where are your book to stay over summer? And as
it doesn't get fully booked out, it is eleven minutes
before the big.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
It'd be news talks. It'd be we have been talking
about callin are camping hot spots over the summer. Many
are saying that if you want to book you're out
of luck. But a lot of ticks coming through saying
there's plenty of spots around.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
You only have to register as a campground if you
are charging people or saying you're providing for if you're
allowing them to stay on your property, and or if
they're on a fully contained caravan. That's a bit that's
a bit different, isn't it so? But I mean, what's
the point of starting a camp ground if you don't
just just out of the goodness of your own heart?

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Yeah, you got to charge money. I mean, there's no
point just having all that plava.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
But you know, if you can't get a campground, surely
everyone knows someone that lives really it has a bit
of a bit of green grass that you can go
and stay.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Can you just suss for a gift though, if you
just say, look, just gift what you can. But you know,
it's kind of twenty bucks poop pop.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Well, you just I mean, there's lots of illicit you know,
you know, black market camping going on around the country
where you just go up to a farmer and say,
you know, you mind if I set up a tent
down there, you know, and then you backhand them at fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Harveyr fish and catch with the farmer. Yeah, a couple
of techs to before we got to wrap this up.

Speaker 9 (01:49:57):
Kid.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Hey guys, I would say that Munga Foi heads north
of Auckland. It is wonderful camping ground in front of you.
The surf beach is around Winney. For twenty years the
children started off our first I was three months old,
met up with the same people every year, about twenty families. Yes,
we booked as soon as we walked out of the
place and jam wonderful can be ground. It's the best
time ever.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
I love it. Groins Caravan Park. Am I saying that right?

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
You are nailed it. Groin Groins, Yep, the groins well know.
And then in christ Church we love our groins down there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Yeah yeah, all right, get stuck into the groins. I
love at Groins Caravan Park, just north of christ Church.
Most sites of permanent sites, but there are about seven
sites for casual campers. So many people and from around
the world say how peaceful, clean and quiet it is
here and a great setup, a kitchen, etcetera. Also allowed
dogs if well controlled and on lead. No permanent children here,

(01:50:47):
but casual campers of course can have children here. Plenty
of walks as Groins Park and spot for children's fishing
lakes across the road from AHS. So I mean it
must be interesting to live permanently in a camping ground.

Speaker 5 (01:51:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
So if you're running a holiday park, you've got to
make your money. You're gonna make You've got to make
hay while the sun shines over that. I guess boxing
day till what mid jen, that's when you're making all
your money.

Speaker 10 (01:51:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
It's a good point though for the long stay is
how do they feel about that massive summer influx? But
I've got to say, mate, that's been a good discussion.
But I'm looking forward to You've given me this canvas tent.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Yeah, And like I said to you, I've given you
the I donated you the Kakapo ke We Camp.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
Beautiful tent and it's massive and it's going to be
a mention when I set it up. But I keep
saying to you on a nice day, and we've had
a lot of those, I am going to sit it
up and test it. And I haven't done that yet. Yeah,
I trust that it's all there ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Tyler. I've given you this tent, but I want you
to check it before you go camping, because the last
thing I want you you and may have to go
away and then find out that this poll is missing
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Yeah yeah, I all set it up. I mean part
of me just wants to roll the dice and say, look,
I think it's all there. It should be good enough.
But rest assured, mate, I will get it up in
the bet garden.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Bigger pardon set up the tent, right, you pitch your tent.
It's a huge tent though. It's a huge tent, and
I just hope that you can book in somewhere to
go camping with it, right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, thank you very much.

Speaker 17 (01:52:11):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Weighs a ton, by the way, it's going to be huge.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
I don't think we can take the dog anymore because
the tent's going to take up too much space. But
that's fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
You book yourself, and I'd love to hear reports. I
had a terrible black mold in it last time I
put it up, but that don't worry about that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
No, it's just a spray down. Let's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Just get yourself some SuDS, bit bleach, a bit of
a couple of days scrubbing at the study holiday Friday.
Enough of us Thank you so much for listening everyone,
love the chat today. Thank you for all your calls
on our eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty and
nine two nine two. The Great and Powerful Hither Dupe
Allen is up next. But right now, Tyler, why am
I playing this song from the Big O?

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
I got no idea, no idea, so Roy Orbison, Well,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
It's as I drove all night.

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
And it plays into my point that while we're looking
into impairment by drugs and alcohol, when it comes to driving,
also impairment due to tiredness. Yeah, I'm doing such things
as driving all night.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Well played, mate, something to look out for us. Well
that is a good PSA.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
All right, you seem busy said, We'll let you go
until tomorrow afternoon. Give them a taste of Kiwi from us,
all right then, Love you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
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