Full Show Podcast: 13 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Very good Afternoons. You welcome into Monday show. Great to
have your company, and hope you had a fantastic weekend
wherever you were in this country of ours. So you Matt,
I'm very.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Good, Tyler.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
It ended up being very calm over the weekend, even
though at one event that I went to on Friday,
long time out from the storm, they decided to shut
Truncate Everything Center, warning out on Friday night that they
were going to shorten all the performances in that particular
event because of the incoming.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Storm on Friday in Auckland. Yes, oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, it's crazy and other bad things that happened to me,
And like I know, things have happened to people, but
this has what happened to me. I didn't put my
rubbish out last night because I didn't want it to
get blown over and blowing down the street.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
That is the real tragedy. So you're prepared and get
your lockdown your rubbish bin.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
But now yeah, but then I forgot to put it
out in the morning. So now I've got you know.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Now you're down a week inness melle rubbish for the
next seven days.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Thank goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
It's not the recycling week. It's hard to deal with
the recycling missing the recycling week. I think that is
the because that's two weeks. Yeah, that's when you start
bringing rubbish to work and putting it in the rubbish
bins at were putting your recycling, you know, leaving it
in friends cars, just trying to get rid of it
anyway you can do.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
They have a skip here today, Yeah, there's a skip
down Oh this skip downstairs? Okay, good time and put
it on. Yeah yeah, happy days, right on to today's
show after three o'clock. Once upon a time, picky eating
was barely even a thing. In fact, back in nineteen fifteen,
when one worried mother wrote to a government agency asking
why whose son refused certain foods, the idea that he
simply didn't like them was dismissed outright. It had to

(02:04):
be a medical problem. Fast forward to today, and things
have completely flipped. The new book argues that modern kids
may be the fussiest eaters in history, not because of them,
but because of how adults have changed. So from the
rise of processed food to parenting trends that give kids
more say at the dinner table, the way that we
feed children has shifted dramatically, and according to the author,

(02:24):
it's those, well many changes that may have turned meal
times into the battleground. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Look, it's very annoying when you bring up kids.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
They try and exert power over you from a very
young age, and one way they can.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Do that is through what they eat.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
So I think as a parent, your only job is
to put the food in front of them. Yeah, whether
aid it or not is up to them, and they
will eat it if they if they get hungry. So
that's why we always had get what you get and
you don't get upset when it came to the food.
If one of our children ever says I don't want
to eat dad, I'd go, that's interesting, I'll eat it, yep,
and then I just eat it. As a result, I
put on a huge amount of weight when my kids

(03:01):
were toddlers from eating my food and their food.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
That's commitment to the cause though.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, and as a result, my kids just a food,
eat whatever's put in front of them. Boys have and
they you know, they grew up really with they're very adventurous.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Actually with their food.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Or even at ten they were trying spicy food and stuff. Yeah,
because they got no capital with their parents about around food,
whereas so many of my friends kids would only eat
chicken nuggets and chips.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
That's the worst.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
And then they're coming around to our house and they'd
be doing the sleepover or something and they go, I don't.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Eat that kind of food.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Where's the nuggets?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
And we'd always say, well, that's interesting, don't eat it. Then,
I mean, you're not going to starve, you get I
mean obesities. The problem for kids in New Zealand. It's
not starving. Yeah, So don't cater to them. Just put
whatever food you want them to eat in front of them.
If they don't eat it, then that's fine. That's their
they'll start eating when they get hungry.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Looking forward to that after three o'clock. How do you
handle fuss fussy eaters in your household? After two o'clock?
We heard ad nauseum last year of the number of
kiwis heading across the ditch, chasing bigger pay packets and
a better way of life. But this year we're seeing
that balance start to change. Another article in The Herald
today telling the stories of several couple making them move
back to New Zealand for what they say is just

(04:11):
a better way of life. Despite having success in Australia,
the rising costs, traffic and a rat race mentality has
those keys coming back home and thankful for it. In
the end, they say it wasn't about the salary or
career progression, but lifestyle community in that sense of home,
a slower pace of life that the cities in Australia
could never quite offer.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Interesting coming back for the quality of life. What is
quality of life now? When I've spent large proportions of
time living overseas, When you come back to New Zealand,
you're right at Auckland, the airport, and you immediately notice
that everything moves slower. Yes, everything is slower and chill.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
There's almost no traffic.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
It's a very island feeling. It's a very Pacific ocean feeling.
If you've been living in London for a long period
of time, it just feels slow. And then you live
in New Zealand for a while and then everything you know,
you calibrate your system and you're suddenly starting to feel
like it's a bit intense.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
But New Zealand has a slow way of life, certainly
does it just sort of trickles along?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, So that is that important to you?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
New Zealand's we have life?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Is that a better way of life? That is after talklop,
but right now, let's have a chat about whether are
we leaning too far into caution and paying for it
in lost business and canceled events. So, as we now know,
for much of the North Island, cyclone Vaianu barely showed up.
This was despite a heavy hype across news sites. Many
places bracing for the worst ended up with little more

(05:37):
than a mild storm. Businesses, of course, faced a tough call,
with many choosing an Auckland to close on Sunday, and
even the supercars event in Top Topaul was called off
ahead of what they expected to be heavy winds and
then didn't eventuate. So decisions many will see now as
far too cautious. So Mike Coskin, he talked about this

(05:57):
on his show this morning, and he has a little
bit of what he said in regards to that cancelation.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
But as they woke up on Sunday morning, you even
remember two and a half thousand Australians traveled here for this.
You've also got to remember the the big wigs and
supercars were here for this, and they've spente a fortune
doing this, and they're sitting there on a Sunday thinking
to themselves, is this really worth calling off a race for?
And that's what worries me about our reputation. I mean,
you can argue till you're blue in the face about

(06:22):
and you know whether you got wet or whether you
needed to preemptively scarp her out of your house by
the beach. But internationally, if we start getting a reputation
as a bunch of meteorological pussies who freak out every
time it rains, we're going to damage ourselves and that
has an economic outworking. Like the shop I watched as
we came out from dinner on Saturday night that already

(06:43):
decided they weren't hoping the next day and told everyone
to quote unquote stay safe and could have opened yesterday
perfectly happily. All the person I know who was told
not to come to work because the bridge would be closed,
and yet it wasn't, so she lost a day's pay.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I mean, how bad does it have to get.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
For god Oh Ford's sake. I think that was the
final little part there.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Ah, didn't you have a great saying that I text
you this morning?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yep? Yep. That was right in the middle there.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, ah, right, I don't know how I missed that.
I was looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
It was a doozy. I wonder we might play that
little part again very shortly.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Meteorological pussease.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
That is exactly what he said. Yeah, So it's an
interesting point, I mean, quite quite a statement from the
host himself. But does it make a bit of sense
when you look at the businesses that closed on Sunday
and the supercars which a lot of people came here for.
There's a heck of a lot of money involved in
the logistics for an event like that, and then to

(07:39):
have to make that decision because of and let's be
honest here, it was an immense amount of hype and media,
constant live streams going on, all of this over the
top language of acts. Now when it's coming and this
is going to be the worst we've seen in some time,
then when it doesn't eventuate, that ramification is widely felt.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, we all want people to be safe and probably
warned about weather events. But the question we're asking today
I know one hundred and eighty ten eighty is have
we moved too far towards shutting things down rather than
keeping things up? My mate Mash as I said before it,
said something interesting to me on the Agenda Sports podcast
this morning. He asked whether because we did the unthinkable
during COVID and closed everything down, we now see it

(08:20):
as less of a big deal to do the same
for other events, that the stay at home and hired
approach is more respected than it used to be their approach.
Of course, this approach, of course, has has real impact
on businesses and events and social gatherings, which are all
incredibly important, especially over a weekend in New Zealand. So
should we shift the balance back towards personal responsibility I

(08:44):
guess and business as usual? Should government organizations focus on
informing people while still encouraging them to get out and
carry on where if it possible? Are we too cautious
tyler and as a result taking a different kind of
risk by undermining events and businesses that rely on a
certain amount of certainty, because I think there's a higher

(09:05):
than zero amount of this which is ass covering, because
we people that make mistakes so hard, Yes, but shouldn't
we also equally shame people that cover their ass too much.
Because there's gonna be a perfect line here somewhere, right,
there is a line between informing and safety and just
going so you don't get in trouble if you've got

(09:30):
it wrong. Yeah, and so at some point, at some point,
you're going too far one way, right, I.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Mean thinking over the weekend when that alert hits through
and I was watching met Service and I'm not actually
having a crack at the met Service guys here, but
part of me wonders if there's a problem with the
alert zones that they've got. Now there's a green orange
in red now. I mean, we've had so many of
these reds and we've had a heap of the oranges
that I look at that now and I don't really
know what that means. I know it means that some

(09:59):
people are very worried that something may happen. But and
like you said last hour, when things change, and as
it always does with predictions. That's what they are, addictions
based on the best knowledge they have. But weather often
changes then that they have a better system of saying
or actually jump down the alert level now traumatically. So
if you were thinking about closing your shop, or you're

(10:20):
worried about heading down to the shops because you need
some more milk, don't worry.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
It's so ca So you're airing a little bit more
on the side of getting things open. If there's any
opportunity for things to stay open, get going, then that
that is your focus. So you send out a warning.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
We all got it.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
I was sitting at a pub when one came out
and you know what, everyone was looking at them, laughing
at the different tables. Yeah, and I was walking to
the bar and I had two different conversations of people
going as if so you know, there's a little bit
of a boy who cried wolf in this as well.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
There is. Yeah, that's the danger.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
But once you know, because because whether certainties change over time,
So that's what you don't get in weather prediction. Sometimes
they know to a great deal of certainty. Say if
you're in the outback of Australia and you're predicting the weather.
You generally have a good sense of certainty of what
the weather is going to be.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yes, sometimes you don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Closer to an event, you know more so if it's
say I'm just pulling this number out of my butt,
but say six hours out, you go, oh, this has changed.
We now have more certainty. Send out another warning saying,
sweet ass, go to the shops, get out there, get
a monks, go and see your family. It's all good
in that particular region. If you're in Land, for example,

(11:35):
I have you seen that it's not going to hit
Auckland City, say, for example, then go it's not get
out yep.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
If you know that.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
If you know that twelve out the percentage of it
hitting has changed such that it's now lower than emergency
warning level, then send out something saying it's lowered yep.
You know, no one cares if they get a message
saying don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Exactly spot on. Yeah, that is information coming from the
people who are in the know. But what do you say, oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty Where does that balance
lie between informing people with the right information and scaring
them into shutting every thing down? Nine two ninety two
is the text number. But taking your calls. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Hobbiton closed for the first time ever for a weather
event on Sunday. It was pretty mild.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
That is cutting the Lord of the Rings fans. It
is eighteen past one, beg very surely.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
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Speaker 3 (12:33):
Be twenty one past one. So what point does useful
information tip over into unnecessary alarm that leads people to
shut everything down? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty's at
number to call.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Darryl, welcome to this show your thoughts on this.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
I think that when you're dealing with an inexact science,
which is exactly what weather prediction is, that you must
always err on the side of caution. We've seen in
this country and very very recently how when you do

(13:10):
not err on the side of caution, it costs people's lives.
The big flooding that we had through the storms over
in the Hawk's Bay, where people's houses were completely inundated
by water and slash and they were given less than
half an hour's notice that this weather event was going

(13:33):
to be devastating and it killed people, and I think
that we should be comfortable erring on the side of caution.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Is that can we be caught too cautious?

Speaker 4 (13:44):
I mean, there's got to be a point where where
we're so cautious that people don't feel comfortable to organize events,
so that you would you admit that there's a point
where we can be too cautious, Darryl.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
I think that when you're talking about large scale events,
and I'll use the racing as an example, the short
answer is no. If there is the real possibility of
there being a weather event severe enough that it could
cause people's lives to be lost, then I think you

(14:23):
err on the side of caution. You use the term
earlier about personal responsibility, and that's fine. I accept personal responsibility,
but personal responsibility is about you and your responsibility for yourself.
It's not you taking responsibility for seven thousand other people.

(14:46):
I think you have to err on the side of
caution when you're dealing with large numbers of people.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Now, Daryl, if we're going to find out what that
perfect line is between safety and ask covering on one
side and just letting it go and letting everyone feel
for themselves out there after there being informed. Do you
think it's important to have pushback as we find the line? So,

(15:14):
once someone's made a decision and people think that it
was too safe, do you think it's important for us
to push back?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
So there is a cost for.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Being overcautious, as there is a cost for being under
cautious for the people that make these decisions.

Speaker 6 (15:27):
If you are introducing the idea of cost, that cost
generally is going to be financial. And if you're going
to punish people for being overly cautious, and then you
end up in a situation where people were not cautious
enough and people are dead, then you end up in

(15:47):
a position of having to compensate the living of those
people that have died, and that becomes a circus. So
this idea that you can actually draw a line and
you cannot either cross, I mean it's impossible. That's the

(16:08):
blunt part of that. It's a moving line anyway.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, so the debate. So surely in that case, the
debate is really important. So after this, after an event
where it looks like what was predicted didn't happen, isn't
it important for people to push backs as they feel fit,
such that people know that there's two sides to this discussion.

(16:32):
To what end, though well to the end, to the
end because you can, ultimately, because you can be so
safe that nothing ever happens, because life isn't just about
the end of life. Life is about in the living.
So if you make a decision, that means that across
the weekend, a bunch of businesses didn't didn't make any money,
a bunch of family members didn't get together, families didn't

(16:54):
didn't get to spend time together, friends and get spine
fined together. Events that people have spent a year or
more putting together didn't get to didn't get to happen.
That is a that is a serious cost. That's a
non trivial cost to a society.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
I wouldn't argue that point, but you have to take
into account that if things had gone to the level
of predicted, it would have been saving people's lives. And
the balance that you have here is because it's an
inexact science, you always have to err on the side

(17:31):
of caution. Particularly I think again, when you're dealing with
large groups of people, I mean an individual business you
can have the choice to open or close. That's your
own doing.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
That is personal.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
True, you want to open open, But when you're dealing
with large group events where you're taking responsibility essentially for
masses of people, the error on the side of caution
just becomes a mandatory thing.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
Do you think do you think do you think, Darryl,
that's there're a lot of pressure and you know, I
want your opinion.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I've been enjoying this chat. It's it's great.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Do you think a lot of pressure is put on
government organizations that have to make these decisions and put
these alerts out by media whose motives might not just
be safety. Do you think that there is a part
of this discourse that isn't necessarily the official part of
the discourse, that has motives outside of purely saving lives.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
Well, my answer to that is going to be always yes,
because I think.

Speaker 8 (18:36):
There are always.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Sectors of our communities that are always looking to create chaos,
whether that be openly deliberate or unconsciously deliberate. But the
reality again is that you have to allow people to
take in as much information as they can and then

(19:03):
make decisions based on that information. If you're getting your
government departments as an example, or the major weather service
is saying that it is a very highly likely probability
that these things can happen, and I think you have

(19:24):
to make those judgment calls based on that information. However,
if you're then getting the media taking that information and
blowing it out of proportion, you have to be able
to set that aside find some way of balancing it.
And I don't know exactly how you do that, because
media as a whole is we're all aware, comes in

(19:45):
all sorts of sizes and shapes these days, and offers
from a scale of one to ten the whole gambit
of how valid some things are. And that makes it really,
really difficult for people to be able to make solid
judgment calls.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
So yeah, thank you so much, Daryl, really appreciate you.
Cool if we've got ads coming in in a million
miles now, but thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
It's very good, chair, very thoughtful.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
You agree with Darryl that we've got the line right
and it needs to be here on the side of caution.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty ze number of call.
It's twenty nine past one.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
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Speaker 2 (20:26):
What do we have a supply and price for fuel?
Because I'm assuming you're paying them.

Speaker 9 (20:30):
No, well, it's just it's just about actually how you
make the deal work and confidence that this is truly
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Speaker 2 (20:50):
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Speaker 9 (20:52):
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Speaker 3 (21:06):
Nine to two.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
The Texas says the government agents don't operate in a
purely sober scientific vacuum. They are people who read the
media too. They feel pressure. They are scared of being shamed.
They are just like the rest of us.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
We all know the media pump this whole thing up
for clicks. The government agencies got scared and double covered
their asses. That's what happens. I blame you, the media.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Hey, hey, hey, I didn't hype anything up exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
We're not some sort of massive blob. We're individuals.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
It's funny when they say that.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
When people say the media, not Tyler, not mad Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons on news.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Surely not us.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
But there was a good Surely this says thank you
for your text. I walked in on the Missus watching
I thought that was going to go a different way.
I walked in on the Missus watching some rubbish on
TV about the storm, and she said, I'm really anxious.
I said, turn that rubbish off. They're doing what they
do best, peddling fair. Yeah, absolutely sorry, But I have
to chime in. What has happened to personal responsibility? I say,

(22:04):
not in any state. Grow up and think for yourselves. People, guys,
Darryl has absolutely embraced the authoritarian overreach. He loves it,
and I bet you, Oh no, I could say that look,
Daryl rang up with his opinion and he had strong arguments.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
It was very thoughtful. Yeah, Greg, come.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
On mate, he doesn't get involved in that.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
No, come on, thank you very much for your text.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yep, it's shifted too far to safety shift it back.
Stupid closing down the supercars for a bit of wind
and rain and that's all it was for the most part. Honestly,
it was overcoll waste of time. Hey we can doce
is long gone. Oh, waste of time? Key, we can
do is long gone? Sorry, cry baby new generation. Honestly,
millennials and gen Z Dean.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Hey, it's not all millennials fault gen Z. I can't.
I can't disagree with gen X is the greatest general,
no doubt about is the text number. But we've taken
your calls. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Where where
is the line between responsible communication and causing people to overreact?
Keen on your thoughts on that. It is.

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Speaker 3 (24:35):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So, when it comes
to weather events, how do we separate clear warnings from
messaging that ends up shutting things down and freaking people out.
Now a story that's just popped up on the Herald
in regards to Hawk's Bay. So Hawk's Bay mayor has
called the region's response to Cyclone Vannu over the top
and said there was a lot of panicking going on
for not too much. So the Hawk's Bay Regional Council, Napier,

(24:57):
Hastings and Central Hawks Bay councils declared a local state
of emergency for coastal areas on Saturday, just before midday.
Why our mayor Craig Little. He says that he was
asked to join them but refused. And see, I quote,
we didn't need a state of emergency. When you make
a call like that, it means you are under the pump.
He went on to say, I think it takes away
the importance of a state of emergency. Yeah, there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
In that, I mean, and that's the other side of it.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
So a lot of people are saying, you know, you're
on the side of caution, because what's the consequences if
we don't, you know, that's something terrible could happen. But
something terrible can happen from just blasting out the boy
who acquired wolf.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
All right, you know comes to mind, right, Yes.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
So if people lose respect for what you're saying, obviously,
then then there's a risk to that as well.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
So that's why.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
You've got to be strong of mind and strong of
will and strong of conviction when you're when you're sending
these things out while you're doing it. If it's just
for us covering, then you're not doing the right thing.
The sixth is you guys aren't the media. Don't be
hard on yourselves. I love your show because you.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Aren't the media. Thanks for not being the media. We
are kind of part of the media.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
There, Yeah, we are a little bit part of the media.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Are like all things, there are different aspects of the men.
There's no doubt some with fake storm profiteers in this case, Richard,
welcome to a shame.

Speaker 11 (26:15):
Well.

Speaker 12 (26:15):
Hello Matte, Hello Tyler. Yes, don't be too hard on yourselves.

Speaker 8 (26:18):
You do.

Speaker 12 (26:19):
You are a little bit hard at times on yourself.

Speaker 13 (26:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Sometimes, you know, the line is hard to find Richard.

Speaker 12 (26:32):
Look, I listened to what Darryl has to say. He's
an intelligent individual, but I just get that observation he
might be out of his depth at the end of
the day. Look, there's things that are far worse than death.
And I'll tell you what is far worse than death
is that dying while you're living. In other words, people

(26:55):
living in fair There's nothing more exciting in life than
living in the present and this country. To be honest,
Eyler and mine, you swear word in life is safe.
I've had a guts full of being safe, and this
health and safety bloody nonsense. Live each day with adrenaline
throwing its glowing through yourself, and live in a positive world.

(27:18):
Sure you don't jump out of the plane without a parachute.
You just be cautious of life. But this nonsense, this
nonsense over the hype of what could happen. What could happen?
A lot of things can happen. I'll tell you what
the biggest the biggest killer in this world there is
a simple mosquito. And the second biggest killer, especially as
a developed world, is a knife and fork.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Don't tell you where that it sounds about. Yeah, Marcus Aurelis.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I think it was who said it is not death
that a man should fear it, but he should fear
never beginning to live.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
You got smile.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 12 (27:52):
You must live. And at the end of the day,
no matter what catastrophe hits us, Yeah, the earthquakes, whatever
it is, were the bonds, who cares at the end
of the day. There's an old saying life. It's summed
up in four words. Life keeps ongoing.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Say about the matter, well, just yeah, not fair enough too, Richard,
Just quickly before you go, I mean, this is this
is the way I see it is that poor old
met Service and Niewa. They're worried about some sort of
amalgamation going on and who's going to keep and who's
going to lose their jobs. Then all the all the
crap that they got from media when they either didn't
put out an alert fast enough or they put out

(28:28):
one too fast. I just think, you know, there's there's
a lot to say about that. They have that pressure
to cover their own asses, right, they feel that immensely,
and that's the wrong way to think. They've got to
have some confidence and their own ability to say we
are the ones watching this thing.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
We know.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
If you go overboard in the media, shame on you. You
have to listen to us, because looking at met Service
over the last forty eight hours, I don't actually think
they did react. I was watching it in real time
and they did downgrade it on Sunday in Auckland. So
I think overall that the hype goes goes outside of
those so called authorities.

Speaker 12 (29:04):
Well yeah, probably, yeah, probably are right, because again it
comes down to that one where before we go Tyler,
I suppose it news is coming up is the fact
of fear. They are covering their backsides because the fear
of losing their jobs. Of course there is the politics
of it all, but that's life. It keeps on going.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, rich Out, good on you, thanks for
you cool.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Appreciate philosophical way to end that one.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, But as I was saying before, so they are
covering their asses forgetting it wrong and then and people
have this sort of zero sum approach to them, there
could have been a loss of life. Yes, so you
have to be super super cautious, but there also has
to be some pushback the other way when you're just
covering your ass to the point where people have spent

(29:48):
huge amounts of their life, because you know, life isn't
just at the end, it's when you're living it, putting
an event together and creating something and bringing people together
and trying to create great things. That skin gets shut
down because of your ass covering. Yeah, so they needs
to be pushed back, and that's why we're trying to
find the line here. So do you think think they've
got the line right in the caution? What do you

(30:09):
think they're too cautious?

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten Eighty's that number to call?
It is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk, Sa'd.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Be very good, afternoon, Jude. Is fourteen to Two's on
the back of the weather over the weekend. At what
point does information become overcaution that forces everything to close?
Whereas that balance? Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 4 (30:35):
This text of Phil says, afternoon you great New Zealanders
love the show. Just wondering do people even know how
to read a barometer these days?

Speaker 7 (30:42):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (30:43):
Good?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
On you, Phil, thank you very much for the thank you.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
My dad runs a whole weather station at his house.
He knows so much about the weather. He's got things
on the roof of his house in Dunedin.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
He is running quite an operation.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
He's got the weather van. Yeah, it's a lost artist.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
He's got all of it. It's all plugged into the house.
There's a sort of area over by the wall. You
open it up, like you know, the power power box,
and he's got all this information coming through.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
He doesn't trust. He doesn't trust the meat.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Ser good on your dad.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
He's running, He's running the whole thing. Hey, guys, love
the show. I have to agree with your quarter about
living life to the fullest.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
In the prison. There's too much doom and gloom in
the country and it's just a slow death for all
of us. Tony, welcome to the show. How are you
absolutely well?

Speaker 14 (31:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 15 (31:29):
I think you're right.

Speaker 16 (31:31):
This has got seriously out of hand. I think a
culture of fear was still many of us, or many
people by Cindia Duran and Chris Hipkins. They've ruled by fear,
a fear of something people didn't know, and they kept
talking about the experts say this, and the experts say that.

(31:53):
So the meat the print media now and even I
beloved TV one says well, the experts and the Meteorological
Office say this and that and the other. Well, in fact,
the experts said nothing of the kind. They just pointed
out that there's a high pressure area and a low
pressure area, and in between there was a set of
circumstances which go on a cyclone, and that cyclone would,

(32:15):
as in the order of things, head south, varying east
and west, depending on whether or not either one of
the high or low pressure areas increased or decreased. Now,
anyone I got my weather podcast. We're watching TV one,
trying to ignore the vaudeviille star that's running it, and
looking at the map, you can see the low pressure

(32:37):
and high pressure and that area which is clearly the
cyclone above it, and we know it's coming south. It's
likely to hit the top of the North Island. It
always does happens this time of year. It's about this
time of year when the Wahemi disaster occurred, and so
to that point, it's predictable. The problem lies in making

(32:58):
a big deal about it, and the equal problem the
worst problem is if they suggest that there's going to
be a strong cyclone heading south down the whole of
the Lowthile, and if it's in the unlikely event that
it actually happens, your insurance is at risk if you
haven't taken a note of the worst possible contingency, because

(33:21):
the insurance company will turn around and say, well, you're
told there's going to be a strong cyclone and he's
entire you're traveling down for example, And this is we
we are. We have become to trust the media and
I think the last time any media was trusted was
the BBC and that's going back many decades when you

(33:42):
could trust that. You know, it's meant that whether forecast
has become entertainment, just like the news. And of course
there's Parliament isn't sitting for two weeks and they've got
nothing else to talk about.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
What do you think we can do about that, tony people?
Because it is it is almost the gamification of events
or something one for a bit of term, but it's
a it's different. It's like doing into a sporting events.
There's a lot of hyphens the build ups.

Speaker 16 (34:12):
I was about to say, it's the easiest thing in
the world for TV. We want to get a film
crew up to some North Northland town somewhere north of
Auckland anyway round a handful of gullible looking people who
want to be stars for a day. What do you
think about this cyclone coming down? Oh my god, I
don't know whether my pussy JT's going to cope with it.

(34:34):
I mean, my god, I mean there are far more
important things happening in the world. We've even got a
ceasefire in the release, and they've got nothing to talk
about for the TYV because they're very lazy our journalists
do You don't get any hard hitting journal Well.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Back in the day they used to be maybe less lazy.
But but I've got a friend I won't say his name.
He was a journalist and he flew down to a
weather event and with the camera for the national broadcaster
and there wasn't a flood where they said there was,
so he ended up standing in the only paddle he
could and his cameraman was on a driver and they
shot at such that it looked like they were in

(35:12):
a flood up to the knees, right yep. That went
out on the news and then he was flying back
and the guy sitting aside and goes and he goes,
how are you? And he goes, I'm furious. I saw
this wally on the news who was clearly standing in
a puddle and pretending that was flooding near my house
when there wasn't flooding at all, And it made me
worried about things. And I went home and then me

(35:33):
and my friends keeping his head down going, don't recognize it,
don't recognize me. It was me standing and pretending it.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was a flood. So it's not you that pretending that
weather events are worse than they are.

Speaker 16 (35:45):
No, that's true. And then I mean there's a classic
story which apparently held some truth to it. During the
troubles in Irelands, we were seeing other troubles are causing
this and Master the children of time designimity to eat.
What they did was set up a camera and go
to a rubbish bin and they were tossing fifty pence
coins into it, and the kids that kids do, they
went scrambling in the rubbish to pone in their fifty

(36:07):
cent coins. I think it came out on the news
as young kids looking for stranging.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Oh that is there you go, that is dirty, that
is terrible.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Well, you know, like I watched this documentary recently on
the press response to Jack the Ripper and how basically
making up letters from Ject the Ripper, making so much
of the whole Jack Ripper situation was made up by newspapers.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Right, yeah, yeah, So if it bleeds, it leads, as
they say, is it a new thing?

Speaker 14 (36:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
So where is the balance when it comes to information
from authorities and not causing panic and everything to shut down?
It is eight minutes to two back in.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
The mow, madd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and
Tylor Adams afternoons, NEWSTALKSBB.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
News Talks ABB It is five to two. Couple of
texts coming through A nine two ninety two. Get a guys.
The trouble with this last warning is that they gave
the warning five to six days out when they didn't
even know where it was I was going to hit
New Zealand. They had three different options, didn't know how
strong the wind could be or how much rain there
could be. Should wait until they had more information. If
they kept doing things like last week, people won't listen

(37:20):
to them and they could end up in trouble. That's
from Mike Gooday, guys.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
The only way that we'll get better at predicting the
weather is if tab opens a book on it.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Cheers muddy deep. Yeah, really gamifying it, Yeah, the full
gamification of weather.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Betting on weather, that's it's covered soon.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And so the odds come in.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
And what you want, you know, civil defense to base
its reaction on where the markets are sitting, it would
probably be pretty accurate. We all right, what a fantastic
discussion we've had over over the last hour. Look, no
one wants to people to get hurt, but also we
need to be able to trust that there aren't overreactions

(37:59):
and there is an ass covering going on, because shutting
things down is not without its damage to people's lives.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Creating a safety obsessed society where nothing much happens is
a massive risk in itself.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, nicely said, and great discussion. Thank you to everyone
who called in text on that one. Coming up after
two o'clock last year, we heard ad nauseum or the
number the thousands of kiwis heading across the ditch. But
that's all changing this year. There's another article in the
Herald telling the story of many couples coming back to
New Zealand. They've had enough in Australia, even though they
had some success, the rising cost, traffic and a rat

(38:34):
race mentality. Says, they are coming back for a better
way of life. So what does that really mean? A
better way of life? Well, we've got a great way
of life here, we certainly do. Yeah, yep, and we'll
come back. We're going to talk about that after two o'clock.
Taking your calls. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number? And the text nine to nine
two Newsport and weather coming up. You're listening to Matt

(38:56):
and Tyler. Hope you having a great Monday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
The big stories, issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talk said the
afternoon to you, welcome back into the show seven past
two of.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Your what's your rubbish Day? Tyler?

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Thursday morning? All right, so I was home and host
mate and was out there on Thursday morning. I still
add twenty four hours up my sleeve.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
I missed my rubbish this morning, Juda, not wanting to
be blown over in the non cyclone and and so
so didn't get up in time this morning to put
my rush out. Now, just there's nothing worse than missing
There's nothing worse in this world than missing your rubbish.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
It's pretty bad, you know. That starts the week off
on the wrong foot.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
So if I bought my WHEELI bin into work tomorrow,
would you take it home and put it out with
your rubbish on Thursday?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Look, I'll do your deal. You can put half of
it in the work skip and then I will take
a handful and probably Andrew will take a bit as well.
Like between us as a team, we can we can
help you out.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Really, you reckon.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
We can group together and sort out my my weely
bin problems.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, we can solve you there.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I was about to run.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Down the road, but it's only in my undies and
you know, try and run past the truck and get
ahead of it and put it down. There's quite a big,
you know, group of townhouses down the road for me,
So I was going to rush down and try and
get in front of it, from front of it and
jump in. But then I was like running down the
road and I'll be arrested running down the road with
rubbish and windys.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Well, yeah, you probably would be. What about if you
loaded it in the car, then you drove to a
street that was about to have their rubbish day and
then you just sort of, you know, scattered it in
various bins that you saw. So that's not even your community.
So even if you get caught, you can just scarp
or and nobody will know.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah where you live.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
What kind of jail time can you face for putting
rubbish in other people's rubbish bins on the wrong rubbish
day for you?

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah, the rubbish bin fury again.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'll bring it in and you can take it home
and throw it out.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Thanks mate, All good mate, That's what I'm here for, right,
get into this discussion. Last year we heard it repeatedly
kiw s itting across the ditch in their thousands in
search of higher pain, a better way of life. But
this year the balance seems to be shifting. There's more
and more stories coming to the fore and another one
in the Herald today that highlights couples who are now

(41:14):
choosing to move back home to New Zealand in search
of that same better life. So despite doing very well
at Australia, many of those couples were pointing to rising costs,
heavy traffic and a relentless rat race as reasons for
returning and feeling very glad that they are. In the end,
it seems for them it's not just about salary or
career growth, but lifestyle, community and that sense of belonging

(41:37):
For some that slower pace of life that Australian cities
just can't quite match. So the question of godview is
who actually offers the better way of life? Is it
New Zealand or Australia, Because as I mentioned last year,
we heard so so much about Australia being the land
of milk and honey that that was the place that
kiwis can make a good go of it, because apparently

(41:59):
this country wasn't delivering what was needed, and then the
turnaround so fast within twelve months that script has completely flipped.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
So does New Zealand offer a better life than Australia
for New Zealanders?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yes, because there is a lot to be said.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
For living where your family is and where you're from
in terms of how comfortable you feel you know how
you've got your head around what's going on. This tast
toss just moved back to the mount from Brizzy. So happy,
wife happy, I'm happy. Kids unhappy, but they'll come around.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, well the kids are a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Well, I mean if you've got your kids in school
and then you move them to another country, you know,
you might be in New Zealander, but then your you know,
your kids are Australians by that point, sometimes aren't they?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, but they're quote there about the rat race. I
think that's a massive part of it. When if someone
goes over to Australia when they're relatively young, they do okay.
Then at some point, I think this happens to a
lot of people. You realize that big city life just
isn't vibeing the way that it used to vibe. That
the amount of people you got running around, and it's
a massive commute to get work, there's too many people

(43:09):
at the supermarket. Apparently one of these couple, one of
these people said, but that starts to get to you, right,
the idea of a slower pace of life. You're in
a more relaxed environment, and you can absolutely say that
about anywhere in New Zealand, whether that's Auckland and Need
and Christ's Wellington, there is a relaxed vibe that we
have here in New Zealand that doesn't exist in the Australia.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yeah, as I said before, when I lived in London
and moved back to New Zealand, got off the plane
after being living in London for a long time and
just couldn't believe how slow moving Auckland city was, how
slow everything was done, the lack of pressure on everything,
how chill everyone was about everything, Because if you live
in one of those big cities like London, it is

(43:51):
intense all the time. If you try and get anything done,
you've got to fight against the city to survive. To
a certain extent, everything is happening, everything is now, Everything
is in your face, which is great because you get
to experience a society, you get to put your best
up against the best. There's incredible of it's happening all
the time.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
But it is a lot. Yeah, if you've grew up
like me rurally and I.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Remember coming back home to Auckland that particular time and
feeling both relaxed and slightly depressed, and the lack of
energy that was that was in the system. Soon you
adapt and then Auckland seems stressful again.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
But yeah, what is great about coming home to New Zealand? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:30):
What country has the better way of life? In your view?
New Zealand or Australia. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? Nineteen nine two is a.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Text because Texas says, hey, Matt, are you okay that
that rubbishpin situation seems like a weirly big deal.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
We love you.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Ah, that's a nice finish to that one.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Great text.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
All good luck with that mate, right? It is twelve
pas two taking your calls. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Is that number?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
ZB News TALKSB. It is a quarter past too. So
what makes New Zeland a better place to live in Australia?
If you have lived in Australia, why did you come back?
Tell us?

Speaker 15 (45:13):
So?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
The text if that's your thing is nine to nine
two ninety two. Rather a couple of texts coming through
get a guys, Australia a great place to visit, yes,
but to live and up that Australian accent would drive
me mad full time. They are not that friendly.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Ossie sucks so bad, says this text.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
You think you're gonna love the weather, but it's so
hot in summer you can't stand it. No joy there
in winter, just as cold as Auckland. The trams are good.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Huh of piece together where they were Melbourne.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
The trams are good, but that's not enough. Also, traffic
much worse or so more violent in Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I'm assuming by the trams.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
But yeah, I mean that's the interesting thing about Melbourne. Yeah,
you get you get that those forty something degree days
in summer, which is unbearable. Yeah, tense, absolutely unbearable, and
you're just waiting for the cool change to come through nicely, but.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Then it's it's cold. It's cold in winter Elves.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Yeah, Kevin, you lived an Ausse for eleven years.

Speaker 17 (46:16):
Yes, good, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
How are you very good? Nice to chat? So why
did you come back?

Speaker 17 (46:22):
Family was after the passing my after both my grandparents,
after my grandmother in twenty twenty nineteen. Basically I just
had a bit of a I wanted to reconnect with
my with my family who've been here in New y
I spent about eleven years there. As I said, it's
a it's a case of it's not one Simee, it's

(46:43):
all but at the end of the day, so I
went there for the money, yep. But of course some
good friends there. So it's like it's kind of like
the there's sometimes you do this and there's sometimes you don't.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
That's type of mindset, yeah, right, and what do you
mess on the Australian side of things?

Speaker 17 (47:02):
Of course the takeaways of some of the dining dining
options are much better than here course for that and
of course I love me, love me Stani rules football
and your leaves.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah. The sport is I get the sports side of things, yeah,
and get a lot more rosy rules over there.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
So whereabouts were you, Kevin?

Speaker 17 (47:22):
I first start off in Bankstown in Sydney and then
I've fout a fit of defensive side, moved down to Melbourne.
I've spent the most of my time down there.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
What's the better city to live in Sydney or Melbourne?
keV you reckon like before we say in New Zealand
or Australia, Sydney or.

Speaker 17 (47:35):
Melbourne, Melbourne sounds like a slower pace of Wellington, where
Sydney is basically awkward dial up the fast paced by fifteen.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
What do you say to this text we just said
before that said that the Melbourne weea there is unpleasant,
too hot in summer and just as cold and winter.
What do you say to that?

Speaker 17 (47:59):
Texter, I've lived in western Sydney. It's actually at Melbourne
then what you sak because in Sydney it's actually what
they the weather two forecasts, one for the eastern southers,
which is out that way, and one for out west
because out west there's a lot hot. Western Sydney is

(48:20):
a lot hotfer there. What expect good in the summer?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah, yeah, carry.

Speaker 17 (48:27):
And then it's your choice in one go there and
it's not not one side for everything and not everything
that's quite How.

Speaker 14 (48:34):
Do you say.

Speaker 17 (48:37):
That's sometimes it's just when it matches your expectations or not.
But it's personal expectations. That's all of this, nothing more,
nothing left.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, nicely given mat on the bins we live out east,
we have a neighborhood group chat and a guy joined
who calls himself the influencer. Oh, the influencers sounding good.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
He posts every time the day for bins changes, sends
alerts if the trucks come early and keeps an eye
out of bins aren't.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Out or stay out? Wow, very handy, bless them.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
You wouldn't get that an ask, Yeah, you definitely what
you wouldn't You wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Get an influencer in os.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
That's what you need in your neighborhood. You could be
the bin influencer yourself, the influencer.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Yeah, because that's thing like if you if you if
you're looking around the neighborhood and you notice, oh my.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
God, the Heath seven. God they've been out.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Oh my goodness, this is a disaster.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
I know that'll that'll full matful of anxiety for the
rest of the week. So do you see me a
little message Heath your bins aren't out.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
What a game changer that would be.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
That is a hero.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
That is the hero we need in our lives right now.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
That is a modern day hero.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
This influencer out east. Yeah, what a good thing to
do for your community.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Whereabout say you, Texter, I'd love to know out east, Oh,
out east, out east, the east, out.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
East of which particular city? I don't know?

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, influencer, how good?

Speaker 7 (49:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Keep those things coming through on nine two ninety two
and taking your calls? What makes New Zealand a better
place to live there than in Australia? And if you've
lived in OZ and you've come back, what was it
the major return? O? What one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that numbered? Call it is twenty past two.

Speaker 18 (50:07):
S.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Very good afternoons. You se, why is New Zealand a
better place to live then Australia. This is based on
a number of articles and there's another one in the
Herald today about the number of kiwis moving back to
this country after spending some time in Ossie. If that's you,
we want to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
This Texas says there's not a single good thing about
this country. Fascist government MARCHO guys that no one who
is in desperate would hook up with climate change, which
we do nothing about because politicians don't want to pay
for evs. That means we get disasters like we had
over the weekend. Stop with the pro aetio propaganda. It
is BS is this text Welcome to show, Glenn.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Are you good? Keen on your story?

Speaker 19 (50:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (50:57):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 (50:57):
So we moved over to the Sunshine Coast up near
Lula Bar, place called DNA for my wife's work about
a year ago. And the main reason was her job.
She's running a sudden hen to your company, and it's
the money was too good not to do it, so
we went. I wright took a year from my job here,

(51:18):
she's still there, and I came back home. But it
doesn't sound as bad as it is. She's just gonna
work two weeks, two weeks back home in christ Church
and then yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
In the international commute.

Speaker 19 (51:33):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 18 (51:35):
But as I say, like, the best thing about it
was definitely the money was better and for her and
you know, the weird was fantastic, But at the end
of the day, for me, it was you know, things
weren't cheaper, like definitely free and vegetables were cheaper, but
things like we had to buy cars and things like that,
and they were definitely not cheaper than New Zealand, I'd

(51:58):
be some would be on a par but definitely yeah,
not cheaper. And alcohol it was a big one, you know.
That was definitely more expensive over.

Speaker 19 (52:08):
There then here. So yeah, it wasn't all.

Speaker 18 (52:11):
Grass's greenish sort of thing, and I guess yeah. So
I came back about six weeks ago, and my wife's
been back and forward and stuff, and it seems you're
working out all right, but much if you're here, you know, great,
great place to visit, one hundred percent, but yeah, not
sure about living there.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Do you think that's because you are in New Zealander art?
So back here you you feel just comfortable. It's in
your DNA, not not actual DNA, but in your the
DNA of your personality and your and culture and such.

Speaker 18 (52:42):
One hundred percent of this, you know, you do. Even
though a strainers are really similar to us, you know,
they are not that a similar arm, but it's where
you grow up. It's yeah, as you say, DNA, I
think someone said before or someone said about you know,
just we we feel homers, you know. And I moved
over at fifty four years of age, so you know,

(53:03):
it's still a bit a bit harder to you know,
meet friends and communities at that age as well. So
I guess if you had a going over as a
kid or be you know, be probably different. But no,
I think New Zealand's got a lot more going for
it then being people thinking. It's actually it's nice to
hear that people are you know, are coming back returning home.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah, just on the cost thing, Glenn. I mean, this
is anecdotal from people in my family, but they're fairly young.
They went over to Melbourne to make a go of it,
kind of enjoyed it, but then they wanted to you know,
set down some routes, so to speak, and buy a
house and they realized in Melbourne that was out of
the question, even if they were earning better money, so
then they came here. I mean, is that kind of
the balance there, that you might be earning better money,
but the things that you need to buy to set

(53:46):
up a life are far more expensive.

Speaker 19 (53:48):
One hundred percent. That's exactly right.

Speaker 18 (53:50):
You know, housing is notch We looked at we kept
our house here in christ Church, you know, just because
we weren't one hundredsen sure that we're going to stay
there forever.

Speaker 19 (53:59):
And then we thought if we if we had to
buy over there.

Speaker 18 (54:02):
Man, it was like another you know, if we're our
house is worth at one point five million here, you're
looking at two and a half moving over there for
the same sort of thing. So yeah, you know, and
yet of course wages are a little bit more, a
bit more, but they're not they're much more to afford that.

Speaker 19 (54:17):
So yeah, it's definitely those reasons as.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Well, is that you know, what's the sort of rural
situation in Australia. And you know, because in your Kiwi
seem to go hard on going to Melbourne or Brizzy
or the Goldie or they or they might go to Sydney,
but what about maybe you hear of the odd person
trying to move near byron Bay. But there must be
some reasonable.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Size kind of rural towns where you get a good, good,
good house going.

Speaker 18 (54:44):
You're you're actually right, and like if if you're you know,
but might have seen in Australians live within I don't know,
twenty k's or ten k's of the sea, you know,
and there's reasons for that.

Speaker 19 (54:54):
But the people I did, I did a bit.

Speaker 18 (54:57):
Of skippering boats over there and stuff like that, and
the people I work with none of them lived where
we lived. They didn't live near the sea. They couldn't
afford to and they were Australians so they did live
really they lived in land. They were had to travel,
you know, thirty five forty fifty k's came to work,
but that's where they could afford half but also a
decent amount of land as well.

Speaker 19 (55:16):
Yeah, if you're that's so, you're prepared.

Speaker 18 (55:18):
To do that definitely. But you know I was over
as Keywisure game for a last style, right, so we
want to be near the beach.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
And if you want to live in a small town
you can do it here.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
But if you if you're going to live in one
of those rual places, you're going to need a pool,
aren't you. You're not going to want to not have
a pool pool.

Speaker 13 (55:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (55:36):
And the other thing I missed just quickly, well we
end up living in an apartment right on the beach,
which you know, after living in a house with a
little bit of land, it takes a bit of get
used to as well. And they had some interesting rules.
We had to shut out blinds at in the whole.
It is the seventh story apartment block bright here between

(55:56):
eight o'clock at night and six in the morning between
October and May. Otherwise you've got a three thousand dollars
instant fine seen thousand dollars body corporate fight.

Speaker 19 (56:06):
What do you think? You're right on the beach?

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Ah what so, so you're not giving putting on a show.

Speaker 19 (56:13):
You couldn't see anything at six an fall.

Speaker 18 (56:15):
But no, the turtles mate, Ah, right, the turtles come
along and they breed along there on the beach, and
then and they follow the moon apparently, so they know
where to lay there. And so there's a big apartment
building lit up about the road in front of the
US and the beach.

Speaker 19 (56:32):
They could get run over.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
They are little better as though turtles. I mean, they
don't help themselves. I'll see them try and right hat.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
I mean, I'm not happy with the turtle plan of
just just just make better turtles rather than trillions of
turtles so they just get absolutely destroyed.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, it's terrible.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
It's a Darwin thing. They're going to do better the turtle.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, yeah, I will thank you for you called Glenn.

Speaker 12 (56:53):
Yeah, welcome.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Nice to hear from you. Are you like Glen? I
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty you came back.
I mean, look, I love a turtle as much as
the next man, but they don't help themselves.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Sounds like their body body corpse over in Australia to
turtle focus.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
That's where I'm getting from.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
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Speaker 3 (58:32):
Thank you very much, Railan. So what makes New Zealand
a better place to live than Australia? Which country offers
a better way of life? It's after an article in
the Herald, and there's been many this year about Kiwi's
making the trip back home after a couple of years
in Australia because they wanted a better way of life.
They say, So, what do you say? Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Quick
text here get our guys. Lived in Radcliffe, Brisbane for

(58:55):
nearly five years twenty and six to ten. We parted
and all ended up back in New Zealand. But we
made great friends and I catch up with them about
every eighteen months, both countries of pros and cons. Summers
were warm, but pools and ocean's ten minutes the way
was all good for three kids under four. That's from
Chris get Aasaia.

Speaker 20 (59:14):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
How you going very good mate? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 19 (59:18):
That's the one.

Speaker 7 (59:20):
I don't get me wrong.

Speaker 19 (59:21):
I actually love Australia.

Speaker 20 (59:24):
It just feel maybe the sort of underlying things here
is just the sort.

Speaker 16 (59:29):
Of the culture of the people.

Speaker 19 (59:33):
Because I mean, it's not like Australia.

Speaker 20 (59:35):
Offers a whole bunch of things that you can't do
and back here, you know, you know in terms of
activities or you know, going into the outbank and going
to the wild, you know, all those sorts of things.

Speaker 21 (59:50):
I was just sort of thinking back to when I.

Speaker 20 (59:52):
Went there April last year and I found them people
would have been quite sort of superficial in some respects.

Speaker 18 (01:00:02):
Really, do you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Think just a bit more showy, bit more showy than
the Kiwi.

Speaker 21 (01:00:07):
Yeah, I don't know if show is the word.

Speaker 19 (01:00:10):
I mean, I stayed.

Speaker 20 (01:00:12):
I stayed in Burly Heads for about three weeks. If
you're familiar with that place on the Gold Coast and
you know you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
Go for a walk.

Speaker 19 (01:00:23):
And it just feels like take.

Speaker 16 (01:00:25):
I don't know, it's like you've got like these sort of.

Speaker 20 (01:00:30):
Want to be Barbie girls and Ken Doles just walking
around taking photos of themselves twenty four to seven.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
I think that's been Goldie for some time though, to
be fair as Goldie Goldie arguably is a lot different
than Melbourne.

Speaker 21 (01:00:44):
It is, and I think that's I think the perceptional
we get sold I'll get to the Goldie, get to Brizzy,
and then you sort of you start to try and
mingle with people and you realize that there are actually
aspects that.

Speaker 20 (01:00:57):
Are very different between two is and Australians.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Did you think that what do you think Australians when
they hear in New Zealand accent?

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
You know, you're running somewhere at a party and like, mate,
how you going?

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Are they are they open to being friends with Kiwi's
or you know?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
What's what's the Australian opinion of New Zealand. New Zealand are.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Always one of that we think that they're a bit
brash and and they're a bit showy or something and
a bit blunt. Yeah, what do they think we are?
Do they just think we're a bit low energy and
dowdy or something.

Speaker 21 (01:01:31):
There's possibly a little bit of that going on, but
I think I actually went over there.

Speaker 20 (01:01:36):
To sort of, you know, find out if I was
going to move there and do some work and things
like that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:42):
But like when it comes to those.

Speaker 20 (01:01:45):
Sort of like it's like a tinsel town, you know,
living along you know, a surface paradise along there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
But if you actually sort of scale back, you.

Speaker 20 (01:01:52):
Get into sort of the suburbs and and things like that,
I feel like that's the sense of community comes back
there a lot more than it does sort of if
you're living in those sort of you know, holiday towns
and things like that. I'm not family over there, and
they have struggled to you know, make friends or not

(01:02:13):
necessarily make friends, but sort of get themselves a group
sort of vibe.

Speaker 19 (01:02:20):
And I'm just wondering if that's maybe.

Speaker 20 (01:02:21):
Changed since like twenty years ago, when you know, I
feel like, hasn't New Zealand gone through sort of phases
of where lots of people were going over there, you know,
in terms of tourism and job opportunity and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Yeah, yeah, I think it is quite you know roundabouts
so to speak, But it is interesting that we had
so much hype saying all these tens of thousands of
key Wes are leaving, it's the new brain drain and
the economy is going to collapse because we need them.
Then within the space of about eight months it goes
completely the other way, which leads me to think, actually,

(01:02:59):
there's some some okay things in Australia, but it's certainly
not the land of milk and honey. But no doubt
about it. The life that we have here in New
Zealand is pretty darn good and it all aways has
been in it always will.

Speaker 13 (01:03:09):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
You know, people that go on a holiday to try
and improve their relationship never.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Works, right because wherever you are there, wherever you go,
that you are right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:17):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
So if you think that you can solve your problems
by moving to another country, then you know, good luck, yeah,
because you'll arrive and you'll be the same person over
there as you are here, and you might have a
little bit of a honeymoon period, but eventually go oh,
I've got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
The same problems.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
I'm a west I was he now living in Taia
Mutu with my Keiwi partner, and I've got to say,
the grass really is greener over here. Nice, literally you
still New Zealand still needs to sort our a couple
of things though. Drive through bottle shops would be a
game changer, and I'd love to see some bush chooks
emu export on the shelves. It took me about eight
years to properly adjust to the cold. I've burned through

(01:03:54):
a serious amount of firewood in that time. But I
genuinely love it here, genuinely love it here now. The
community and the country vibe in Tiarmudu is hard to beat.
What a great text there you go, Because I tell
you what, we don't have a huge amount of Australians
that move to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
No, usually the other way, Yeah, usually the other way.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
We have a lot more Brits than South Africans than
we have Australians.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah, and we don't need so close, We don't needuly
have to do too much. We just need drive through
bottle stores and a bit more EMU on the on
the shelves.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I see that really Weirdly, it takes a love in
It actually takes a love interest generally to get in it.
Or becoming a CEO of one of our companies.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah, yeah, you're both to those things help to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Get an Aussie to move from New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah, what do you say?

Speaker 22 (01:04:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to coour
watch country has a better way of life US or Australia.
It is twenty one to three A.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Fresh take on talk Back. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty US.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Talks B eighteen to three. A lot more Kiwis are
coming back home saying it's a better way of life here?
Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Elliott says, Hi, I'm twelve years old and live in
Melbourne for two years. New Zealand is much better, but
I like to have holidays in Melbourne. I think the
tram is good because I catch it to school twelve
years old.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yes, oh that's Jess. Boys. My son wanted a text
in this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
I see all right, it's from dad, but dad, let
dad has Dad has transcribed that for a Sunday you go,
good on you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
I'm not a good tram love a good tram, so
good on you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
What's the is it the hok turn that you have
to do in Melbourne. That's because of the trams.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
When you got to hang yourself out there, it's terrifying.
It's called a hok turn. Someone will know. Nineteen nine two.
What's the name of that crazy turn you have to
do in your car because of the trams?

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Yeah, Chris, how are you mate?

Speaker 10 (01:05:37):
Mate?

Speaker 22 (01:05:37):
Fiercely it's called a hook turn and it's the only
place that does it right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Yeah, that's a right, I got it right, hock turn.
How are you on your hok turn?

Speaker 22 (01:05:46):
I'm no good because I live north of Sydney.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
So you don't want to You don't want to throw
down a hot turn in Sydney That'll go badly.

Speaker 14 (01:05:54):
Absolutely.

Speaker 22 (01:05:58):
Look, I'm a dual citizen. I became an Aussie citizen
about three or four weeks ago, so I've got to
talk up both places. Like I love Australia for its
economy and the freedom that it can give you monetarily
if you if you do all right, I've done it
right over here compared to what I probably would have
done back home from the job I started at, et cetera.

(01:06:21):
So I love this country. Gave me the opportunities that
I've got now, so I'm thankful for that. But in
saying that, there's things that I missed from home, like
a crappy cold suddenly ripping through christ Church Tyler, You'll
know about that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Nothing nothing screams home than that bad boy it's beautiful.

Speaker 22 (01:06:41):
Oh yeah, Or in northwestern in the summer. You know,
those two things that are like unique to Cantabrians. But
you know, like Bud, just experiences that you do miss
because you don't get it like that here. But the
food in New Zealand, like the beef, the lamb, you know,
even the beers, they all taste better back in New Zealand.

(01:07:01):
So you know, like it is a pros and constant,
you know, like, yeah, you earn money over here, and
you know if you.

Speaker 19 (01:07:08):
Do well, you do well.

Speaker 22 (01:07:11):
You know, maybe one day I might retire there to
New Zealand and the Nelson or Mula region. That'll be
a nice place to go when I'm an oldies, but
that'll be my only way to come home.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Well have have you are you? Are you married? And Aussie?
See this is the problem, isn't it. That's how we
lose people.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
So we need we need to send people over to
marry Aussies and bring them back here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
That's what we need.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
So on you, Chris, You've got to bring her back here.
We're relying on people like you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
I mean, there's like, there's lots of I know, I
know a lot of some of my for some reason,
it's female friends. We you know, have gone to the
UK and brought dudes back, you know, remove their whole life,
broke the appearance hearts by bringing bringing raising families in
New Zealand so far away from from where the parents
can visit their grandkids. Yes, but yeah, that that's a

(01:07:59):
that's a big, big difference, isn't it. If you if
you fall in love someone and follow them and then
when you're lost forever pretty much, haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
You got you got kids over there?

Speaker 17 (01:08:08):
Us?

Speaker 22 (01:08:09):
No children, I just have. I've got one of my
five chickens left and a couple of tom cats.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
My life is he's only got has you only got
one chicken left? Because you've got tom cats? I reckon
tom cats and chickens don't really very well.

Speaker 19 (01:08:26):
They did.

Speaker 22 (01:08:26):
They did, like the cats left the chickens alone because
the chickens were the But you know, like age got
the girls. But yeah, I'll be getting to the new
flock of chickens in here once this one go.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Get chickens in New Zealand, Chris got them over here.
We've got good chickens over here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
You can say a great flock.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
We've got tom cats here.

Speaker 14 (01:08:44):
Exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:08:46):
You're preaching to the preacher. But the other half, the
other half is the one that sets the rules made.
I'd just say yes and put my signature on stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Get her on the phone next time, Chris, we'll work
on here. We'll get your back mate. Yeah, thank you
very much for your call. I one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Are you like Chris that you live in
Aussie and you're not coming back because you're married? Someone
over there, Shane Yea boys said you're not very good mates.
So what's your story. Did you spend a bit of
time in Australia?

Speaker 14 (01:09:13):
No, never have, never will. But what I do is
I manage business that a lot of my staff have
said to me, come into my office and said right,
I'm off to dosy, and I've generally say to them,
good as gold, I'll see you in eighteen months, two years,
because that's generally how long they last and they come

(01:09:33):
back looking for a job. Oh yeah. Quite often the
guys and girls that have got a job over there,
if they're rural, if they say, for example, to be contracting,
if they're driving tractors, driving trucks, or working on the land,
they tend to stick around a bit longer. But the
ones that go to the cities generally about a year later,

(01:09:56):
I get a phone call saying, hey, I'm back in
New Zealand. I'm looking for a job as my job
or as a job still available, and a lot of
it it's lifestyle choice. I'm we're rural in the Lower
South Island, and you know a lot of these young kids, especially,
they come out of school, they get a job here,

(01:10:16):
they get a bit of money and they say, right,
we're off to Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, will per person and
other big run You know, they obviously go over there
to look to working in the minds and so forth.
They last about a year eighteen months and they dismissed
that lifestyle that New Zealand can.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
So when they come back, Shane, do they have a
new appreciation of what they've got over here, Because sometimes
you need to see the other side of it before
you can appreciate what you've got.

Speaker 19 (01:10:43):
Yeah, look, and I'm I'm quite supportable.

Speaker 14 (01:10:45):
And if they want to go, they want to go,
you know, like the same as my kids as they
want to go over seas, go for it, you know,
and experience new things and see stuff that you don't
see at home. But a lot of these people when
I do say to them, hey, look i'll see you
in eighteen months, two years. No, no, no, that's it.

Speaker 7 (01:11:02):
I'm gone.

Speaker 19 (01:11:02):
I'm gone.

Speaker 14 (01:11:03):
I'm going to stay over there forever. And you know,
quite often it's and I think a call earlier suggested
that you know, like the friendships are quite hard to make,
especially the ones that go over to Western Australia or
go to the mines and fifo fly in and out.
That makes it really difficult to make mates, you know,

(01:11:24):
especially when you've got you know, two weeks in, two
weeks out, for example, two weeks is a long time
if you buy yourself and you haven't got mates or
a partner or And.

Speaker 19 (01:11:36):
Yeah, it's quite interesting.

Speaker 14 (01:11:37):
I would say a good thirty to forty percent of
the people that do go to Australia will come back
within a year, year and a half look, come back
back and give me a ring and looking for a job.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Wow, it's interesting, yeah, yeah, and whether Shane's got a
job for them by the time they get back. But
as he says, you know, you can't begrudge any young
person who wants to give it a crack. It's just
the reality that most of them come back.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Friends are hard to make when you know, there's a
time in your life when it's harder to make friends. Right,
So every Saturday I have a standing lunch with like
four mates. We go out for at lunch every Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Yep, every Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
And they're my friends from high school, from from the
seventh form as it was back then. So did I
just happen to meet the four best dudes in the
entire world just in my punishing little school in Dunedin.
Or is there something about making friends when you're young
that is that is more meaningful than last your whole life?

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
I reckon the letter, dear me, the letter and the
fact that you do the regularly.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Think that the seventh forman bog Bogan Park High School
in Dunedan, was the greatest, greatest year that had ever
been in school.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Somehow, what do I think that was the case, but
maybe I'm wrong. But taking your calls eight hundred and eighty,
ten eighty, it is ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
To three the issues that affect you and a bit
of fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams.
Afternoons news talks, they'd.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Be news talks. There'd be eight two three, Get a Steve.

Speaker 14 (01:12:59):
Get how you going?

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Very good mate, you're a good man to chat to.
You're an Aussie living in New Zealand. Oh, here we go.

Speaker 14 (01:13:06):
Yeah, that's right, it's ten years.

Speaker 7 (01:13:09):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 23 (01:13:09):
I'm married, see as good ladies here to our son
and as soon as he was born, she's like, I
want to go home, right, No worry. So I've been
in Tiaraha now for ten years?

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Beautiful And what do you love most about New Zealand life?
Do you still mess of a little bit?

Speaker 24 (01:13:31):
I do?

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
And to be honest with you, the first few years
were hard. I wanted to go back, But in the
last couple of years it's grown on me because I
lived in Sydney, and I lived right in the heart
of Sydney. I don't know if you know in the
city Sydney very well. I lived in Newtown.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Oh yeah, fashion, and then you've got to keep up
with people on there, everyone walking down the streets, some
kind of supermodel slash hapster.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Good looking people in Newtown.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Yeah, a lot of prep.

Speaker 14 (01:13:59):
Before we moved here.

Speaker 7 (01:14:00):
We decided to move here, my wife was like, we'll
go over and we'll visit for a couple of days
so you can check it out.

Speaker 13 (01:14:06):
All right.

Speaker 7 (01:14:06):
We come over here for four days and pissed down
rain the whole time, always.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
The way, always the way.

Speaker 7 (01:14:13):
We were stuck in people's houses, and I didn't get
to see much of it too much. Lay I was
living here, and so it's been really great to me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
So you guys will be here for the long term.
Rick and Steve. Is there any talk about going back
to Aussie?

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
No, not anymore. There was a bit of serious talk
during the COVID times. But now I think, I like,
it's just been so good to me. Like I was
living in Sidney, I was never going to be able
to afford a house. Yeah, I live in the house.
I've got a.

Speaker 19 (01:14:43):
Mortgage I can afford.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
I've done the reverse of what most Kiwis do, Like
I came over here and I've made my fortune and
set myself up here and I'm very lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Don't you?

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
And hey, do you have have you gone with making
mates over here? Because a lot of people kis saying
that they've struggled to make mates with Australians over there?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
How have you gone with? Mate? Gone with making mates
with kiwis here?

Speaker 7 (01:15:04):
I'll tell you what It did take a while for
one simple fact on the tea tailor, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Drink right dangerous?

Speaker 7 (01:15:13):
Come over for a beer and I'm like, oh nah,
I can't mate, people stop asking you to go out
and hang out with him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
I mean there'll be a prominence both goth cultures though,
both big drinking culture.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Yeah yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
So how did you? How did you get over there? Steve?
How did you? How did you break these sober barriers?

Speaker 7 (01:15:32):
It took a while, but I'll sound my tribe.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Oh yeah, good on your mate.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
Well, we need to deploy more of our young ladies
over to Australia to grab Steve's and bring them back here.
It sounds like it's been a win win situation. You
like it and we like having you here.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Good on you, Steve. Nice to hear from your mate.
Steve and Ozzie living in New Zealand and what a good,
good bloke. He sounds like.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
The quality of life is better in New Zealand as
opposed to Australia, says this text. Having lived in both places,
we decided it was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Better to bring up our children in good old New Zealand.
Oh very nice and this one quickly get a just
listening to your run about this. My son left for
Brisbane a couple of years ago as a builder. It
is now working for himself and doing pretty well. He
is also playing rugby in Brisbane. He has a nice
place and doesn't have any plans to be coming home
in the near future. He loves it and he loves
the climate. But I think he will come home eventually.

(01:16:22):
But for the moment he really enjoys being there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
This sex it says shit hunting in Australia. Mm hmm
is there?

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Well, imagine if you're living in the center of Sydney,
there is Yeah. What do you think, kangaroo, The access
to to you know, the great outdoors in New Zealand
is unchallenged, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Second to nine? Yeah, great discussion. Thank you very much
to everyone who called and text on that. Really enjoyed
that coming up after three o'clock, we want to talk
about fussy eaters, that is children. So there's a new
book that has been released. So it argues against the
trends of the seventies, eighties and nineties where kids had
more say on what they actually ate. It's created a

(01:17:01):
whole bunch of problems, this author argues. So we want
to have a chat to you about fussy eating in
your household. How do you combat that? Oh, one hundred
is that number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
You get what you get and you don't get upset
as we used to tell our kids.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Yeah, tough Love nineteen ninety two is the text number
Newsport and whether or on It's way great dev you
company this afternoon. You stay right here, will be back soon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Will ellsly the big stories, the big issues, the big
trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons news Talk said the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
It is seeven pass three. Very shortly, we want to
chat to you about pecky eating when it comes to children.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Yeah, but before then, look, nothing makes me sadder than
having spent my life following a rule that turns out
not to be true, like the waste of time that
was no swimming until an hour after eating. Remember, so
much great swimming time has been lost by something that
was absolutely not true. In fact, it was better to
eat before you went, you know, closer to being swimming

(01:18:09):
because he had more energy in your system. Right, Yeah,
imagine all the swimming time you can't swim. It's a
beautiful day, but you've just eaten so an hour after lunch.
That has done so much damage that that load of bollocks.
But now I discover another one. I discovered this about coffee.
I often feel like a coffee before or after I've
gone for a run, but I don't because we've all
been told it dehydrates you. So we tread carefully about

(01:18:33):
coffee and we treat it very differently than water. Well,
it turns out that that's just a whole lot of
made up rubbish. I follow this guy on YouTube called
Alex flcuhne, who goes by the name Unlearning Nice. He's
great where he points out things that are bollocks that
we all believe.

Speaker 25 (01:18:47):
Listen to this time for some more unlearning. Coffee does
not dehydrate you. I know you've been told this a
million times, but it's been very well studied and it's
not true at all. In fact, coffee actually hydrates you
because of a little known secret about coffee. It's mostly water.
Oh but caffeine is a diuretic, a very tiny bit
and not for you. Studies have only found evidence of
dioses if you get a little lot of caffeine in

(01:19:09):
a short period of time after not having it for
a while. So if you've taken off like dry January
from caffeine, and then you have three cups in a row,
yeah you're gonna get a few extra drops out, but
even then it is vastly overshadowed by how much water
you're taking in the end result is that coffee hydrates
you the same amount as water. It sounds crazy, but
it is true. This study compared to the hydration amount

(01:19:29):
you drinking coffee, tea, juice, still water, and restless water
and found that they were exactly the same. You may
be fooled, but your body is not. If it's mostly water,
the body takes in the water. As for the other
claims that it stunts your growth and is the reason
you can't afford a house, no, so, while you're sitting
around your apartment wishing you were a little bit taller,
Please hydrate yourself with some hot brown water.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
So beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
And I've read around about this as well, and it's true.
So next time you want to hydrate but feel like
a coffee, or you're worried about how much water you
get in, you know people that are trying to do
those three ladas of water coffee agats, you include that
glass of water that's hydrating you just as good having
said that three ladas of water that you needed as bollocks,
So you know that might need some un learning as well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Matter radio. Once upon a time, picky eating was barely
even a thing. Before the twentieth century, there was no
such thing as children's food. Youngsters had wild, boundless appetites,
and children, like adults, worked up appetites because they used
to eat only at meals. But fast forward to today
and things have completely flipped. A new book that just

(01:20:33):
out argues that modern children may be the fussiest eaters
in history, not because of them themselves, but because of
how adults have changed. So author Helen zoey Vich. She
decries changes in adults' behavior and thinking over the past
century that allowed picky eating to hijack Western childhood. She said,
from the rise of processed food to parenting trends that

(01:20:53):
give kids way more say at the dinner table, the
way we feed children has shifted dramatically, and according to
the author, it's those well meaning changes that may have
turned meal times into the battleground that they are for
many parents around the globe.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
As a bugbear of mine because with my kids, we
never let them have a say and what they ate.
We said, you get what you get, and you don't
get upset. And if they complained about what they're eating,
and said, that's interesting, because your kids aren't going to starve.
They're going to try and hold some power over you
from the age of about as soon as they can,
as soon as.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
They're eating solid food.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Right, Yes, it's just a power play. But if it
doesn't get any if it doesn't work, then they move
on to something else.

Speaker 13 (01:21:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
So the idea that you'd negotiate with a kid what
they eat, they'll eat if they're hungry, you don't. If
you just go, okay, don't eat, then then they'll come
back to you when they're hungry.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Eventually, Yeah, I've got to eat. They're not going to
start them.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
See you have all these parnishing kids that lonely eat
chicken nuggets and chips because their parents are negotiating with them,
Like where they bringing a menu out to their kids
saying what would you like to eat? You eat what's
in front of you, your little turd.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
And get on with it. It's not you know, you're
lucky to be fit as a parent.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Your job is to put the food out for the kids,
and what food you've decided it is the best for them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Yeah, but that's your job. You don't need to get
into a negotiation around whether they eat it or not.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
It's absolutely ridiculous. Who cares what the kid thinks about
the food? And then you get these these kids that
come around to stay at your house for a sleepover
and they go, I don't eat this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Kind of food at my house.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
And you go, that's interesting. It's okay, this is the
food that's in front of you, eat it or don't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Ye if you're hungry, mean's what's in front of you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
I mean, obesity is the problem right now. If a
kid's hungry, it's not kid's not going to not eat
its food because to win the argument to just it's
going to realize that's not an area it can gain
control and move on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Yeah, just on the chicken nuggets and the chip situation.
I actually knows someone who feeds the kid pretty much
solely that because she refuses to eat anything else. And
I'm not going to name names here, but what do
you do if you see that on the outside? I mean,
I don't feel that I can say anything. And it
was a first child, and they were really worried because
they thought that she was losing too much weight and

(01:23:10):
it was the only thing that she would actually consume
because she wasn't eating anything else. So there was that
christ child. Did you say, yeap, that fear, That fear
came in that Oh my god, she's gonna would a
way to nothing because she won't eat a Brussels sprout,
so she wants chicken nuggets. She's gonna have chicken nuggets.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
Well that's the problem if you're trying to feed your
kids sprouts. You've got to also understand be reasonable with
your kids. You get like when they're young, they are
programmed too well programmed that they are more sensitive to
sour flavors because of poisoning, right right, Okay, And so
the reason why you can eat enjoy different foods as
you get older is because that part of us leaves.

(01:23:48):
We're evolved not to eat things like that could potentially
be more poisonous, right right, because sour tends to be poisonous.
Ye oversweet, So you know that's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
You can be a.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
Dickhead and try and put your kid on some kind
of diet that would be perfect for a forty year
old man.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Broccoli, Brussels sprouts and olives. Yeah, and they're going to
say no thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
You've got to be sensible. You've got to give them
something they're going to eat. Yeah, but it can't just
be you can't let them negotiate their way into just
chicken nuggets.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Looking forward to this discussion, I had one hundred and
eighty ten eight. How do you deal or how did
you deal with picky eaters in your household? Nineteen ninety
two is the teach numbers thirteen past three US talks,
it'd be sixteen past three, How do you deal with
picky eaters? I wate undred eighty ten eight's number to
call get a don oh goody.

Speaker 19 (01:24:33):
I was interested to hear about the.

Speaker 8 (01:24:36):
Talk about water and take and getting you know, water
from any anything you drink pretty much, probably even beer. Yeah,
because I trained for a couple of marathons, not I
wasn't much of a runner that I did a couple
back in the eighties. Nobody ever, none of the runners

(01:24:57):
ever made water bottles around. They stopped wherever there was
a tap or something like that and had done. And
I noticed kids in school now have they've all got
water bottles.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Thank god.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
The over hydration of children, it's out of control.

Speaker 8 (01:25:13):
And the teachers are lugging somewhere around are just ginormous.
It's just ridiculous. What they don't realize is that most
a lot of the food, they particularly, even all the
green vegetables and things like that, all have a very
high water content, almost content.

Speaker 22 (01:25:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Yeah, then you've got the explosion of these apps that
tell you when you should be drinking water during the day. Like,
we've got a mechanism in our brain that helps us
with that. It's called being thirsty. You don't need an
app to tell you, you know, when you should have
a glass of water.

Speaker 7 (01:25:44):
Don's that's exactly right.

Speaker 8 (01:25:47):
And you know, I sort of bite in my left
and don't say anything, but I do have a little
laugh to myself.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Yeah, I mean when I was coaching cricket, junior cricket,
the amount of hydration that was insisted on these kids,
they were so hydrated, the most hydrated generation of all time.
It's hydration's hysteria. They constantly take breaks to have take
on water. And they're all turning up with the biggest
water bottle as you say, you've ever seen. It's it's

(01:26:15):
out of control. Someone's you know, drinking water is good.
Completely drink some water, but you can you can last
twenty overs of a game of cricket without having to
stop things down to have a hydration break. It's it's
it's ridiculous, the amount of hydration going on.

Speaker 8 (01:26:34):
Yeah, and the the the kids at school always used
to just drink out of the tap.

Speaker 19 (01:26:41):
Now that's right through the day.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Apparently that's too dangerous now, don I know, people free
you can't have it out of a water fountain. What if?
The if? These germs, I mean, they're kids, for goodness sake,
they're rolling in mud.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
They're in the pocket a big pump bottle.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
I think now, yeah, yeah, thank you for your called
on make a great point.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
This is a bug beer of mine.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
The amount of hydration that goes on in any kind
of sporting event for kids, now, yeah, I mean you
only need to drink water maximum once every two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Yeah, on the set of symbol of those what are
they frank green and hydroflasks that cost about one hundred
and thirty bucks for a water bottle. I mean, come on,
cost a living crisis. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call John?

Speaker 14 (01:27:21):
Yeah, Hi, how are you hey? I'm good.

Speaker 13 (01:27:24):
I was just listening to you as I was driving
around and about the food and the swimming and that.
I think you're absolutely totally wrong because when I was
young I'm seventy seven now, and I've always loved the water.
But when I was young, I was on a scouting
jamboree thing in Adelaide, and we had to do all
the usual things, cooker own food, live in a little tent,

(01:27:46):
and I burned on my sausages and I burnt my spuds.
I was really so hungry et them anyway, and they're
all like raw in the middle. Went up swim and
you know, I was born for the water. I'm a pisces,
and I can swim all day. But suddenly I got
the stomach cramp and there was nothing I could do
about it. I just could not swim, and so I

(01:28:08):
started to drown, and I was gone up and down,
and I was gurgling and spluttering and put like a
good little boy scout, I put my hand up, you know,
and then I went.

Speaker 19 (01:28:17):
Down, came up my hand up again.

Speaker 6 (01:28:20):
The second time.

Speaker 13 (01:28:21):
I could see the scout must have sitting on the
slate knoll of the hill with a few of the scouts,
and he was pointing at me and laughing, which got me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Really school behavior.

Speaker 13 (01:28:30):
Yeah, I was so angry, but anyway, I I didn't
know much more.

Speaker 19 (01:28:35):
I came up the third time.

Speaker 13 (01:28:36):
When I was gone, he thought I was clowning around,
I think, and they meant he managed to rush down
the knoll of the hill, dive in the water to
get my body and drag me out and resuscitate me.
One of the interesting things, will you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Actually had to be You actually had to be resuscitated? John?

Speaker 13 (01:28:53):
Oh? Yeah, Yeah, I was gone bad, you know. I
was like I was floating around in the water.

Speaker 19 (01:28:57):
I could see my.

Speaker 13 (01:28:58):
Body and I was I had a feeling like I
have never ever had in my life.

Speaker 14 (01:29:03):
It was like pure ephoric.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (01:29:06):
I can't even describe it. It was so good. The
feeling was like, wow, are you killing me? And they
talk about like you like everything flashing before you. I
didn't find it flashing. I saw of It was almost
like I don't know, like I could see a lot
of my life, but not how much.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
How much life did you head at this point, John,
how old were you?

Speaker 13 (01:29:27):
It's only about twelve?

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Oh yeah, that's pretty pretty good stuff, though, I'm isn't
it twelve?

Speaker 16 (01:29:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:29:33):
Well, anyway, they dragged me out and they pumped out
all the water out of me.

Speaker 19 (01:29:36):
But the factors I could not swim.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Do you think do you think it was the food
or the fact that some of it was more in
the middle.

Speaker 13 (01:29:43):
Oh well, where it was a food, whether it was
because it was like cooked.

Speaker 19 (01:29:49):
Honestly, guys, I'm like a fish. I love the water.

Speaker 13 (01:29:53):
You know, even today.

Speaker 19 (01:29:55):
You hard to see me away from it. But I
could not swim.

Speaker 13 (01:30:00):
The cramp in my stomach was so bad.

Speaker 19 (01:30:03):
It was not It.

Speaker 13 (01:30:04):
Wasn't something I could say, Oh, I'll tough my way
through this. It couldn't tuck way through this. It was
just your body was taking control of me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Well, I'll tell you what, John, I'm glad that you're
still with us.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
Absolutely, you seem like a top bad Yeah, thanks, thanks
for your cool.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Got on you, John.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
You know, so the the this is sort of off topic,
but the idea was that after eating, your body does
not seem as much blood to your muscles for digestion.
You know, it's use as using the using your resources
for digestion, right, that was the idea that The old

(01:30:39):
idea was that this would reduce blood flying to your muscles,
causing cramps in the water. But they've done a lot
of studies and said that there's not and it's not
significant enough to impair your ability to swim. But you know,
John got the cramps more spuds.

Speaker 22 (01:30:54):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
So you know it didn't work out for John. But
you could argue the raw food might have played a
part there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Yes, sure, says you ate raw spuds. What do you
expect the sticks said?

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
I would say to my kids, this is back on
the idea of fussy eating, and and this this new
book that's saying that we've brought up a generation of
fussy eaters. I would say do you want three spoons
or two? They would always say two when see, this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Is the best thing you can do with kids. So
the mother and my children instituted this with showers and baths.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
So you didn't go do you want to have a bath?
Now you go do you want to have a bath
or a shower? And then they've made.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
The choice and they said that they've won. But either
way they're getting what you want.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
It's genius, very clever way to look at it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Yeah, before bed, do you want a story or do
you want something else?

Speaker 7 (01:31:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
I can't remember what the thing we used to off
with them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Yeah, would you ever let them so say you had
your meal plan for the week, would you ever let
them have a say on what one of those meals
could be?

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
No, you get what you get, and you don't get
upset the idea that you would go into a negotiation
with your kid about what they're going to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
They're lucky to get any food.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
You know, your job as a parent is to clothe them,
house them, love them, and feed them.

Speaker 13 (01:32:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
Yeah, but they don't get to bring out the menu
and try and order off menut I'm not noticing on
this menu there's no chicken nuggets and chips on this manual.
I only eat chicken nuggets and chips. Well that's interesting.
Well this is the food in front of you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Eat it or don't?

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Yeah, nicely said Oh eight on undred eighty ten eighty
is that number of call? If you've had to deal
with picky eaters when your kids were young, how did
you deal with it? Can you hear your story? Ninet
twen nine two is the text its twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Twenty six past three. So, a new book that has
just been released argues that Western children are now the
fussiest eaters in history due to a raft of things
that came through after the twentieth century, like children's food,
processed food, and also parents allowing their children to make
a choice on what they eat. So, if you've had
to deal with picky eaters, how did you do it?
I eatee hundred eighteen eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
The six says, no such thing as picky children. It's
pandering parents. X. We're raising little emperors, aren't we? But
stop hassling the generation. I'm thirty two, just had my second.
They eat what they are given. Thanks for the great topic.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Enjoy your show.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Yeah, nice text.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
Yeah that's true. We always have the thing in you.
Parents these days are rubbish? Do I need some parents
that are rubbish?

Speaker 18 (01:33:23):
Not all?

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Yeah? A vaughon, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 17 (01:33:27):
I'm fine? And how are you guys?

Speaker 12 (01:33:29):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
So how do you make kids eat what you want?
What you cook?

Speaker 15 (01:33:33):
Well, it goes back to the fifty eight year old
now coming up fifty nine, twenty years old. I like
gen sandwiches, you know that, Mummy. Every morning I would
say what would you like? And your sandwiches, dear rispberry
can that's what she got. So I said to her
after that episode, well you get up in the morning

(01:33:54):
and you help hummy and you make your own sandwiches.

Speaker 11 (01:33:57):
It's what she did.

Speaker 15 (01:33:59):
Raspberry Jean came and the crust came home, and when
it came to eating meals, by this time she's twelve
and her brother is coming up six, same problem with.

Speaker 17 (01:34:11):
Both of them.

Speaker 15 (01:34:12):
So one night a week they each got a turn
to crop and we had drumb sausages made out of
sausage meat. Not out of sausages as such. They made
their own drumb sausages on a Tuesday night my Sunday
and my daughter, no, she did the drumb sausages. My
son he decided to be well at Olips. So for

(01:34:32):
months in free Tuesday and Thursday, we knew exactly what
we were having because they cooked them themselves and a true level,
prepared to expand their own menu. That's what we ate.
And that stopped the problem of the picky eat it
because they put up with what Idris stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
For the rest of the week, putting the onus on
them of Von. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's
the way to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
Because toddlers, particularly, they are in a sort of a
I do it myself, you know. They want to start
doing things themselves, and food is just one of the
one things that they can control.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
So if they're refusing, it's kind of and you.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Know, we take it as you know, maybe maybe we're
worried that they'll starve to death whatever, but it's kind
of them trying to assert some kind of authority, like
you're saying, Yvon, isn't it They're like, I don't eat
these jam sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
They just want to.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
They want to they have to grow up, and they
want to have some control, right, Yeah, and that's one
area they can have some control if you allow them.

Speaker 15 (01:35:28):
Yeah. And they were shopping with me, so they had
a choice of choosing the ingredients right from the peace, carrots, totatoes, whatever,
So they knew sometimes it was esh brown, sometimes it
was meat potatoes, sometimes the beef oliver, it was thiced potatoes.
Sometimes it was even chops. It's always their choice. But
because it was their choice, they felt that they had

(01:35:50):
to eat it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Yeah, right, good stuff, good strategy. Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
The stick says, Hi, guys, I have five children, and
I would say to them that I'm cooking for seven
people every night. Odds are you won't like every dinner.
So I would let each of them tell me their
favorite dinner, and I would try and incorporate a meal
each of them, like once week. It just made it
easier for me when planning my menu for the week
and made them learn to tolerate other choices. I cooked hearty,
old fashioned, fear cheers.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Deep, good on your dep keep those teas coming through
on nine two ninety two and taking your calls eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. How did you deal with
picky eaters in your household when it came to your kids.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
We've also got a side topic on the overhydration of
the of generations, so big one. I don't remember drinking
any water in the eighties as a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Well done to you, but we drank a lot of
RaRo that it was good stuff, wasn't it lived on RaRo?

Speaker 13 (01:36:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Bring Bennett back. It is bang on a bass three.

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Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Very much, Railey said. This new book that's out right now.
It's called Picky, and it's about how picky children are
in the twenty first century. They are the most picky
that they've ever been in history, the author argues. So
the question we've got for you is, how did you
deal with picky children in your household?

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
I want to back and hunt together a day? Is
what happened to a picky child?

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Long did they?

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
I don't eat wilder beasts.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
I don't want any of the mammoth memmoth. Last night
I don't eat.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
I don't eat memmoth mummy.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
So all right, well we'll leave you behind. We'll have
another kid that can be a contribute to the tribe.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
That is tough. Love. Karen, How are you good?

Speaker 8 (01:38:44):
How are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
You had a grandson who was picky?

Speaker 15 (01:38:48):
Yeah, well, I've bought up four children, taught all of
them to cook. They all had terms of cooking during
the week so that they knew how to cook them,
what they liked, and all the rest of it. So
I've got lots of grandchildren. Some are picky because the
parents let them. But I've got one that isn't It's
all about texture. And he will go to bed hungry.

(01:39:11):
He's only three. He will go to bed hungry night
after night after night if you don't try and give
him the things that he can tolerate.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Right, And what are the things he can tolerate?

Speaker 15 (01:39:24):
Love meat, and he doesn't like any fruit and veggies.
So they hide all of that in with lots of
meat and minster up and put it in pastry.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Right, and he will eat that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
So well, that's that's a solution that doesn't involve going
to chicken nuggets and friesh doesn't it And.

Speaker 15 (01:39:47):
They will not do that, no, but the others will.
But yeah, so it's not always that they are being difficult.
And I believe his mother when she was like little,
was exactly the same. It's all about the picture. This
kid doesn't need ice cream, he doesn't need water.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Mountains and not sure. It's not a sure. It's not
a control whole thing because no really no. Yeah, so
they won't won't, won't eat fruit, won't eat ice cream.
How m that's odd.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
Only the pickiness of kids is around, you know when
people try and push.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Sometimes people try and push Tyler was talking about Brussels
sprouts on you know, which is which would be extreme?

Speaker 15 (01:40:33):
Yeah, well I have made him chocolate muffins full of vegetables.
Now if I askeered him the chocolate muffin and he
might take at least he might not. But if I
just lest it, he might eat it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
You see, because the reason why I asked these questions
is because when I was a kid, I was a
bit of a dick as a little kid, and I
said to my mum, I don't like cake. And it
was coming up to my birthday and I was like three,
and I said I don't like cake, and she because
she'd made me and then and then showed but what
I did like? And she goes, what do you like?

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
And I said, bubble, I like toad in the whole?
So she maybe your toad in the whole christ Birthday cake?

Speaker 19 (01:41:12):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Good on your mum. Yeah, Toad in the hole is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Even now I can remember that I did like cake.
I just wanted to say, man, I don't you just
wanted to get one up on the way.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
There are so many kids in my family. I need
to do something to get some attention around the table.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Yeah, tough life on the fast.

Speaker 15 (01:41:29):
I've got other grandchildren who they control the parents of
this one really doesn't well interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I guess, like everything caring, there's there's there's only there's
there's rules, and there's rules and there's was outliers that
for different reasons.

Speaker 15 (01:41:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Yeah, No, you can't make a blanket blanket thing across
all kids, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
I think three three is a hard age. But when
they when they get a little bit older, say six
or seven, can you still be equaiting for that? You
know that I'm not going to eat that because I
don't like the teacher or whatever that you just you
waited out. You waited out for as long as it takes,
because eventually they'll eat, right, they've got to.

Speaker 15 (01:42:05):
Yeah, well that's that's the whole thing. I think it's free.
You just say, well that you're trying to accommodate what
the nutritional value he needs other ways. But when he
gets to six or seven, you're right, this is what's
up for dinner. Yeah, and you know, and that's what
you eat and that includes broccoli or you know, something

(01:42:25):
like that. But I just think that it's just not
a blanket rules.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Yeah, thank you very much, Karen. I just say that
is because I mean, like most kids, I had some
barnies with my parents when I was about six or seven.
But the dedication from Dad was so that was on
the plate and said that's your dinner. So I'm not
going to eat that because I don't like it. So
that's fine, that will just wait for you. And I'd
go to bears and think I'm going to be more
stubborn than Dad and mom, and I'm going to wait
it out longer than them. Then I'd get up in

(01:42:52):
the middle of the night and Dad would be waiting.
You're hungry, son, got your dinner, still got your dinner
waiting for you. Well played, dad, you've been waiting all
this time. That is some serious stubbornness, and you win
that round.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
I remember one time.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
I had a big discs agree with my father and
he was like, no dinner, no dinner. And then my
mum got a message to me that the dinner was
in the microwave, and so she and total totally undermined
my dad's.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
You're not getting any dinner for your behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
That is beautiful. Yeah, all right, we've got to take
a quick break, but taking more of your calls. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, And after the break,
we're gonna have a chat to a dietitian that works
in this area. It is twenty to four.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
It is eighteen to form. We're talking about picky eaters.
A new book is just out that argues children these
days are the fussiest eaters in history. So if you
have had to deal with the picky eat in your household.
How did you do it? Oh, eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighties a number.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
So that's the thing. They're the fussiest eater is in history.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
So something's changed, right, Yeah, So when parents, because I
wander back in the day like food. You know, we've
just got an abundance of food now, you know, as
they keep saying, we live in we're bodies made for scarcity,
living in a time of abundance, right, Yeah, that was
food everywhere. Yeah, so back in the day, maybe there
just wasn't the negotiation. There was a probably not the

(01:44:21):
variety to choose between for the food, and there just
wasn't an opportunity to negotiate. You're like, you got another
five kids here that are going to eat that if
you don't, so you better either become the runt or
eat bang on.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
So she goes on to say some of her research
goes back to the twentieth century and authors like Edith
Wharton was mad about eating turtles and tiny crabs because
that's all there was. Mark Twain, obviously a very famous writer,
extolled the sumptuous meals of his childhood, which included venison
just killed and butterbeans and then children, like adults, worked
up appetites because they used to eat only at meals.

(01:44:53):
There was no such thing as snacking because there was
only enough food there for sustenance rather than excess.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Yeah, well they didn't used to be breakfast. Breakfast was
a bit of an invention. Yeah, welcome to the show, sorry, Vanni.

Speaker 11 (01:45:10):
Hi, Yes, I'm here.

Speaker 15 (01:45:12):
Hi, Hi guys.

Speaker 6 (01:45:13):
Good so I remember just.

Speaker 11 (01:45:16):
A dietician, And I just thought I'll offer my two
cents because I've worked with families who've been in similar
situations where their kids are extremely fussy, and I've also
had lots of experience working with eating the sort of
patients which are obviously on the extreme side of the spectrum.

Speaker 24 (01:45:36):
And it's such an interesting topic.

Speaker 11 (01:45:37):
And now also because I'm a toddler mom, I've sort
of experienced things firsthand. And I just think that actually
a lot of parents don't realize that picky eating or
fussy eating starts at a very young age, almost sort
of as you start to introduce solids, And a lot
of times we actually don't.

Speaker 14 (01:45:55):
Realize is.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
That in the playing stage, we're going here comes the
play exactly right.

Speaker 11 (01:46:05):
Yeah, Yeah, And actually we don't realize when a child
refuses a food, you've almost got to reintroduce it almost
you know, twenty times before you say yep, it's definitely
not something they like and won't.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Have it right.

Speaker 11 (01:46:21):
Yeah, So you know, we sort of get to that
age of two and three where parents are like really
worried because the child's not gaining weight, and then they
come to professionals and we're like, actually, you almost need
to start before that and and build those habits when
they're very little.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
And how do you how do you go about building
those habits?

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
Just so you just keep real they keep you keep
reintroducing it on the spoone if it's baby food or
something or solid food, you just keep reintroducing it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Till they finally eat it. Is that what you do?
You just keep trying, You keep trying.

Speaker 11 (01:46:57):
And it's a different thing for every child, right, some
it's some For some kids it's a texture things. For
some it's the flavor. And it's about like if you
take an example of roccoley for example, you you give
it in a few different forms, but you don't sort
of give up after one try or two tries. You
you sort of keep going at it. You make sure

(01:47:18):
when you are serving a plate. Even if they don't
touch it, it's still there on the plate, So it's
normal for them to have it on their plate.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
Yeah, right, And do you a is it a problem
when people make a battlefield? You know, so it becomes
sort of contentious because a lot a lot of what
I'm reading and saying that, you know, especially at the
toddler age, they want some autonomy. They want some autonomy
because you know, you've got to start growing up and
you've got to start developing as a human being and

(01:47:45):
even as a toddler. So yeah, how do you get
around the the that that a child needs some point
of pushback and the most obvious one for the kid's food.

Speaker 11 (01:47:57):
Yeah, absolutely, And yeah, your child is gonna obviously, you know, resisted,
especially when there's a lot of pressure at meal time.
More pressure. Sure you have a meal time, it's just
never going to go your way and it's always going
to lead into that battlefield mode, which is not a
nice meal environment to have. So you always want to

(01:48:18):
encourage really positive meal environment where you're encouraging conversations around
food and the best and the best thing you can
do as a parent, I think to stop kids from
becoming picky eaters, is actually involved them in the cooking
process as much as possible.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Because it's justly when you say broccoli though, because I
was celebrating that that with our kids.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
They weren't fussy eaters.

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
But I never would have tried to feed them broccoli.
Like if I was trying to get them vegetables, then
I was. I'd had peas inside mash, but of corn.

Speaker 11 (01:48:48):
Yeah, so I was.

Speaker 4 (01:48:50):
Actually giving them stuff that wasn't too challenge anyway, or
it was hidden in something because because kid's a bit
of mash, they're not going to although, as I said before,
I got so fat when my kids were a little
from eating what they didn't need, you know, because you
just eating it's danger.

Speaker 11 (01:49:08):
Yeah. My toddler like is using her play knives to
cut broccoli with me. Now, Like obviously she can't at
the moment, but she's she's constantly standing on their learning tower.
If I'm cutting vegetables, she's with her play knife trying
to cut them as well. And I've noticed that when
she's involved in that process, she may not finish whatever
vegetable I've served, but she may have a nibble and

(01:49:30):
that's fine, and that's all that I kind of do
you think at the moment do.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
You think sometimes with parents is we find it really
hard to work out the difference between being an adult
and a child, and we're actually putting way too much
trying to get way too much food in them as well.
That's the thing, right, because you make this whole plate
of whole plate of food and may be smaller than
an adult's food, but.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
For a toddler it's like giant.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
Yeah, so you know you might be trying to get
more get more food in them than they can they
can take on board.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Very true.

Speaker 11 (01:50:00):
Yeah, And you know, actually it's very well researched that
as babies and adults, as babies and todd are very
good at identifying when they're full, whereas adults, as we
get older, we lose our hungerful and as cues, we
keep eating because we distracted all the time. Yeah, so
we almost need to kind of ye go by window

(01:50:22):
full and yeah, if they don't finish, they don't finish,
and it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:50:26):
My grandmother used to always tell me when she was
looking after me, don't leave the table to your full.
She was really she was really keen to eat you
so stuffed that you couldn't stand up, Which isn't that
you don't need to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
No, a very grandmother like that, wasn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:50:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Yeah, oh, thank you so much for your insights. Really
appreciate that you called in.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Thank you very interesting. Thank you very much. We'll quickly
go to Vicky get a Vicky.

Speaker 24 (01:50:55):
Hi, how are you going?

Speaker 25 (01:50:56):
Very good?

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
Ken on your thoughts?

Speaker 24 (01:50:58):
Oh well, I was just saying too, I was talking
to before that as a child, as kids, we were
very lucky dead. It was a struct man, but as
cocked something that we didn't like, he was happy for
us to go and make a sandwich.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Right.

Speaker 24 (01:51:14):
However, if we were at anybody else's place, we had
to eat whatever they put it on our plate. And
believe me, I gagged on overcooked cabbage.

Speaker 12 (01:51:26):
That many time.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
Yes, boiled cabbage, I don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:51:31):
And one of the doctors told my mother that children
never starts. I just think there are bigger things in
life just to worry about than whether your kids are
getting vegetables, because as they grow older, they do. I
eat my vegetables now, apart from over cocked cabbage.

Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
But you know, it's not like I remember, like some
of my friends used to try and put their kids
to get to bed at six thirty pm, and as
a result, every night they were having a massive fight
trying to get them to bed. But we just put
our kids, and that we put our kids to bed
always later, they had a later bed time, but they
always did it. But these these parents were fighting every

(01:52:09):
night between six thirty and eight thirty and getting them
to bed at the same time. It's kind of like
the same thing, right, Fay, Like if you give them,
if you pick your battleground, if you're trying to feed
them a Brussels sprout, then you're gonna have a fight, right, Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:52:21):
You have a fight feeding me in Brussels sprout. Yeah.
I just my girlfriend, she said, you know, I've got
the grandkids and all they're just going vegetables. Is it
really that big a deal that's come to stay with
you for two weeks? Who cares if they have chicken
and chips or a bit of fishes, Just you know,
take the stress away. Kids have enough to deal with

(01:52:44):
in life these days without getting stressed at dinner time.
But anyway, that's my that's my personal And also the
rule was whatever you put on your plate you wait
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Yeah, that was a good rule, right.

Speaker 24 (01:52:58):
And if I put it there, they were to try it.

Speaker 13 (01:53:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:53:01):
If they didn't like it, it didn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
Our role was you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
You get what you get and you don't get it upset.
But we weren't going to get into a fight about it,
like oither eat it or don't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Yeah, it's there if you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:53:16):
If you don't, Dad will snuffle it up all of
it slightly.

Speaker 24 (01:53:22):
And with my green kids, it's what you do.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
Yeah, because you can't get enough messed potato when you
got young when you when you've got young kids, you
end up eating.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
A lot of mashed potato.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Not good for your waistline. Thank you very much, Vicky.
We will be back very shortly. It is eight to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
It'd be it is five to four. Plenty of teachs
coming through.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
Hey, guys, are best come back on Mum. When she
said eat your food. There's children starving in Africa, I
would reply, really, name five of them.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Then I'd get chased around with the wooden spoone, didn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
Yes, it's a great text.

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
There's a few tips coming through, saying back in the day,
when I said I wasn't going to to eat my food,
what followed was me being whacked, which made me want
to eat my food.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Yeah, the old wooden spoon.

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
Maybe that's why we're the fussiest generation. Way kids now
are the fustiest ever, because back.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
In the day, whack you didn't eat, you'd go. I'd
rather eat than get whacked.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
It's just pretty easy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
Joys for better or worse.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Yeah, a couple more texts then we're going to finish
this up.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
This Texas says, Hi, guys, when my son was two,
he wouldn't eat his tea at night. I got sick
of it and gave him the good old oh there
you go, one, two, three rounds Us.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Had another always hat his tea whenever he put it
in front of him.

Speaker 4 (01:54:48):
That's an interesting one because you're calling dinner tea. That's
what I call it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
That's the South Islander.

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
There certainly is great discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Okay, I don't know if we're ending on whacking your
kids as the way to soften I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:55:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
If that is a respected way to get your kids
to eat in twenty twenty six, all right, that brings
us stand of another edition of Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.
The Great and Powerful Hither Duplessy Allen is up next
after five. She has anzi's chief economist on why she
now thinks the OCI will go up as early as July.
But right now, Tyler, why am I only starting to

(01:55:24):
play the song right now?

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Sister Smith's Yeah, what's the name of the song?

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Panic?

Speaker 12 (01:55:28):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
We had a fantastic chat at one o'clock about not
freaking out too much when whether alerts hit your phone and.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
That's a hundred think correct. All right. We'll be back
live from midday tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Until then, give a taste it care We wait out
Jack

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
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