Full Show Podcast: 13 August 2026

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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Welcome into Thursday. Really great to have your company this afternoon.
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(00:48):
to have your company as the afternoon progresses, right, let's
get into this one. So the Opportunity Party says it
would be very open to a confidence and supply agreement
when it would be the next government would be elected
and rather than a formal coalition. I should say. It
comes after the Opportunity had eight percent in the latest

(01:10):
One News variant poll, with a few previous polls also
putting the party just above that five percent. Three shold
So party leader Qla Wong. She told Ryan Bridge Today
this morning that Opportunity wouldn't reveal its bottom lines for
another month or so as it wanted to see what
other parties were putting on the table, bearing in mind
we're less than three months away from the election. On
November the seventh, she was asked whether a land tax

(01:32):
was foundational to its policy plan, and she said Opportunity
had been clear that it didn't expect that tax reform
to happen overnight. Meanwhile, AX Party leader David Seymour is
not ruling out working with Opportunity, but he says they
would need to give up their key radical left wing policies,
including that land tax, if they were to do some

(01:54):
sort of deal after the election. So there's been a
lot of hypen discussion around Opportunities so called tax reset.
So that tax reset includes a three hundred and seventy
dollars a week ubi feed every adult in the country
and at one point seven five percent tax on land,
unless it's rural land, then that tax would be zero

(02:16):
zero point five percent national. Of course, Christopher Luxen has
ruled them out. And here's what Labour leader Chris Hopkins
said on this this morning.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I've been clear when Labour sets a bottom line and
one of our bottom lines is that we won't support
the introduction of significant new taxes like a land tax
or a wealth tax.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
We won't breach there, we won't cross that.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
So National says no to a land tax or a UBI,
Labor says no to a land tax, and probably a
UBI as well, because that would be a new tax
of course. So with that in mind, what does the party,
the Opportunity Party actually stand for stands for? If it
knows those two things it has been hyping up, that's
been getting all the attention over the past twelve months,

(02:57):
that has probably seen it get a bit of a
boost in the polls. If you believe the polls aren't
actually going to happen. They're not going to get anywhere
near parliament with those two policies, those flagship pol have
been ruled out, left, right and center. So is the
Opportunity Party starting to look like a wasted vote? What
do you actually know about these guys apart from those
two policies. Have you put the spotlight on what they're

(03:20):
going to actually offer, Because more and more it's looking
likely that those two radical policies are never going to
get across the line. They might look good on paper
to a few people out there who might want to
have some sort of disruptive vote. They're not sure whether
they can vote for national they don't trust labor, they
don't really want to go left or right, so they

(03:42):
think that the Opportunity is in the center, and that's debatable.
So for you, if you've been looking at the Opportunity Party,
what do you think the Opportunity Party really represents? For you?
What are they bringing to the table in terms of policy?
And if they can't get these two things across the line,
because both the major parties have said no and actors
said no as well, then what are they actually going

(04:02):
to bring to the table if they get across that
five percent threshold? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call in? Nine two nine two
is the text number. And if you've been watching the
polls over the last couple of months and you're seeing
more and more of those polls show Opportunity Party above
that five percent threshold, does that start to make you
a little bit nervous in terms of what the coalition

(04:23):
will be formed after November seventh. If what we're hearing
is true from the Opportunity Party that they could work
with right or left, and I don't think that is true.
I think clearly, clearly the Opportunity Party is a left
wing party. But does this start to make you a
little bit nervous looking at those various constructs and options

(04:44):
of coalitions after the election? Tell me, oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It
is ten past one back in a few minutes, the.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 2 (05:01):
Be thirteen past one. So the Opportunity Party has been
getting a lot of attention in the media in some circles.
A current polling or the latest poll anyway, they're up
around eight percent, but the last couple of previous polls
have put them just above that five percent threshold. So
bear in a mind. There are two flagship policies, or
you could call it one. They call it the tax reset,

(05:21):
and within that flagship policy is the UBI three hundred
and seventy dollars per week for every adult in New Zealand,
and the second part of that is the land tax
of one point seventy five percent unless you're on rural land,
which is zero point five percent. But both National and
Labor say they're not going to nnect those policies. It's
not going to be a part of their coalition government.

(05:41):
So where does this leave the Opportunity Party? If they
can't get that flagship policy across the line, then what
does it actually stand for? Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call GeTe ross.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yep hi there to me?

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Just with their tax policy, they would have if they
want to implement that and it doesn't attract they going
to have a chance. They would have to rewrite one
hundred and fifty years of tax law in this country,
so all the prevailing tax law and the understanding of
it out the window and start again.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
And that'll take.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Years and years and years of research to make sure
there's no loopholes or it's going to be proven in
court that it's viable, and then they've got to collect it,
which is almost impossible.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
But the other thing is that with there Laura and Order.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Law, Laura and Order policy, there's going to be no
prison and no charges for anyone under twenty five is
committed to crimes.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
They did get rid of that, Ross, or just say,
just quickly, it's important to know they got rid of that.
So they've got rid of that off their website and
they've gone back to the drawing board. But you're right,
I mean, the very fact that it existed there on
their policy website three months ago and then they've turned
around and said, well, maybe that's not a good look
for us, we need to rethink. That probably says a
little bit about the lack of spotlight on not just

(07:02):
these two flagship policies, but the rest of the things
that they are so called offering.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
As for be going to go and defund the police
to do something equally as stupid.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, I don't know about that. You know, I've been
digging into their policy. I don't think there's anything there
about defunding the police. But to get your point, Ross,
when you know that has been a call from some
members of the Green Party. It's not official policy, but
many members have called for policies like that, and it's
a fair argument when you look at the Opportunity Party,
they are far more aligned with the Green Party than
they are from anyone on the right and labor. For

(07:36):
that point, as well.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
I think what's happening now currently is this this whole
thing is going to divide the nation into left and right,
left and right thinking. The left is going to get
more more strident leaning viewpoint and the right is going
to dig in and say no, we're not going to
have that. So it's going to polarize this country like

(08:00):
nothing else in this life has and it's going to
be sad for New Zealand. We cannot afford to be
polarized as a country.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Do you think it is getting that polarized?

Speaker 6 (08:10):
Ross?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I mean has that always been the case that the
left and right There is a difference between the policies
on offer. One arguably likes to taxt a lot more
on offer free things. The other one looks at fiscal responsibility.
There'll be a lot of people that disagree with that.
But there is that always part and parcel when it
comes to politics, as those ideologies are split down. Those

(08:31):
two ideologies.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Well, I think with the Opportunities Party, if I only
if they've called it the opportunities party, because there's not
giving anyone an opportunity, they should just call it the
tax and bleed party. But they with the Greens and
along with the fringe people on the left of Labor
Party are going to band together and instead seems to
be instead of being sensible, they're going to be strident

(08:55):
in their views and say this is what we're going
to do with this country. It's just going to put
it back into the stone.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Ages Ross, thank you very much for your thoughts, really
appreciate it. Do you agree with rosso at one hundred
and eighty ten eighty what? I can't give my around
because clearly there's a trend going on with these pollings,
and whether you believe the polls, I think this close
to the election less than three months out, and we
start getting closer and closer, then it starts to galvanize.

(09:23):
You know where the trends are, and we can see
that with the likes of Labor and Nationals sticking around
that thirty percent, and then it seems that top of
now getting tractioned. So where is that traction actually coming from?
Because all I see about the Opportunity Party is the
UBI and the land tax, and that's not going to
get across the line no matter who they end up
potentially doing a deal with. So what is the actual

(09:46):
appeal here? Are they offering anything that the other two
parties or other parties within governments are not offering right
now because I can't see it. I don't see what
the appeal is apart from potentially a protest vote. And
is that sensible with where we are as a country
When you don't like what national are doing, you don't
like what Labor did, and you say, well, let's just

(10:08):
try I'm burn it all down and go for top
and roll the dice. I mean, is that a sensible
way to go? Maybe for some people listening it is
love to hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten to eighty is that number to call quick? A
couple of texts to the break top of getting poll
results are from the young voters. That's what young voters
are seeing. And they've got a lot of young members
within that party, Hi Tyler. Top have been talked into

(10:30):
existence by the media. Their leader is there because she
answered a job add for the role. Their policy is
dangerous and or a joke, but consistent media coverage has
got them enough visibility to appear in the polls. They
need to face the scrutiny on the policy front. Hopefully
policy reality sees their artificial support numbers rapidly deflate. That
is from Nick keep those texts coming through or nine

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Speaker 2 (12:38):
Twenty three pass one. So what is the appeal of
the Opportunity Party If you believe the polling and there
is a trends there. The lad has put them on
eight percent previous polls have put them above the five
percent three shold? So what is it about that party
that you think is getting traction here? If you've looked
at at top, if you've been sold on top, give
me a call. I watee hundred and eighty ten eighty
What is it that you like about that party? Bearing

(12:59):
in mind that their flagship policies of a UBI and
a land tax are never going to get across the
line with labor or national They both said, so, so
I one hundred and eighty ten eight is that number
to call? A nineteen nine two? The text get I
been you.

Speaker 10 (13:12):
Get that mate? Hey, listen, I've been looking at the
top and I've been looking at radio parties. I'm sort
of I'm not voting for the right and a left. Sorry,
And that's the reason being is I've got a brother
and sister in law and Melbourne and they owned some
rental properties in Geelong and the welb and in Victoria

(13:32):
there and they've just said the capital gains tax go
from fifteen percent to thirty Now it was always thirty percent,
but if you own the property for more than a
year before you sold, you get a fifty percent discount.
So now that fifty percent discount has been wiped and
so now it's just thirty percent across the board for
investment and rental properties Mate. She said the market is

(13:55):
absolutely collapsed. She said house prices are down by ten
to fifteen percent, is three or four years of capital
gains and equity has been wiped off all their properties.
She said the rents have gone from for a one bedroom,
the average rent's gone from four to eighty to over
six hundred. They just tried the rental one bedroom in

(14:17):
Geelong last week. They had one hundred and fifty people
turn up to the viewing and people were offering up
to fifty nine hundred just to secure the property. Because
landlords are just selling their properties and droves to get out,
and these corporations are coming in and buying up the rentals,
kicking the tenants out and then letting them as airbnb

(14:40):
and short term rentals to get the tax benefits. And
what's happening is renters are absolutely getting screwed over there.
She goes there, people living in their cars, different right
and center. No one can get a rental. It's it's
absolutely ridiculous. She said. People's houses are now worth less

(15:02):
than what they paid for them three years ago and
she said that's just fifteen percent capital gain difference, And
it's absolutely it's course are just a massive e'som make
shock over there, Oh.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's you over there. That's where you see a lot
of Australians looking at New Zealand now before God for bad.
You know, labour brings in the capital gains tax here
if they win the election. But that is something we've
got an advantage on over the Australians is that when
it comes to our property market, it's relatively simple.

Speaker 10 (15:31):
Yeah, but the proofs in the putting this is happening
in an Aussie over only fifteen percent, we're looking at
bringing twenty eight percent. And over here if labor gets
inte renters are going to be absolutely screwed. You three
people they say they want to help.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
It's a good point to be the.

Speaker 10 (15:46):
Ones that are going to get you know that are
not going to be helped.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Great point being. But let's bring it back to the opportunity.
So you think the land tax would do similar It's
clearly going to bring house prices down, all land values down.
That've stated that on their own website.

Speaker 11 (16:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (16:00):
Absolutely, I think any capital gains tax any land value
tex is going to do exactly the same as what
we've seen happening in Australia right now. And I think
okay Lands probably need to pay something on capital gain,
but to slap them with twenty eight percent overnight in
a bad economy, you need to wait for a good
economy and slowly bring it in, maybe five percent every
two years or something, and slowly bring it in, not

(16:23):
whack twenty eight percent in a bad economy, because it's
going to screw people.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
So what's the appeal of the Opportunity Party? Do you think?
Clearly there's a trend going on that people more people
are looking at them as a viable option. What do
you think the appeal is?

Speaker 10 (16:35):
I think young people. They've got a lot of young people,
a lot of vive that're different. You know, it's a
different party where we're sick of the same old we
want some new blood in there and that, and I
think it's just a new party and that's appeal. Definitely appeals.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, Ben, thank you very much for your call. And
he's not wrong. The introduction of those various taxes over
in Australia has seen massive capital flights and many of
them are looking at the New Zealand property market now
because as it stands, our tax system for property is
relatively simple. So do you think the idea of a
land tax is going to create a similar situation here
in New Zealand? But bearing in mind, very unlikely to

(17:14):
get across the line. So it brings back to my
original question. What is the appeal of the Opportunity Party?
Is it just a protest vote? Is there that much
distrust of national and labor that particularly young people are
looking at opportunity They don't really know what they're going
to bring to the table, but it's worth a roll
of the dice. What do you say, Oh, eight hundred

(17:35):
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call A
nine two ninety two is the text number? This Texas says,
have people complaining about opportunities tax policy actually use their
online calculator to see what their text liability will be.
Seventy percent of kis will be better off. It simplifies
the tech system and offers to help the younger generation,
who are already battling a tough economy with AI about

(17:58):
to make it Harder boomers need to realize the young
people they need to buy their houses and support them
in age retirement will have left to Australia. So what
do you say to that text? Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighties. So number to call. We've got the
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Speaker 2 (19:32):
Thank you very much, Raylen. We're talking about the Opportunity Party.
The latest polling has them on eight percent, which would
see them get into Parliament quite comfortably. But it's not
the only poll. It's a trend at the moment. Some
previous poles have them above the five percent threshold. But
I argue most of the hype and the coverage of
the Opportunity Party has been based on their flagship tax reset,

(19:56):
which would involve a ubi of three hundred and seventy
dollars a week for every adult in New Zealand and
a land tax of one point seventy five percent unless
you have ruw Land, in which case it would be
zero point five percent. And both and Labor say they
cannot work with those particular policies. So where does that
leave Opportunity Party and what does it actually bring to
the table if it does get into parliament. Oh, one

(20:17):
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
get a.

Speaker 11 (20:19):
Josh, yeah, hey, you're trying a good show man.

Speaker 13 (20:22):
Good yarn's happening today?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Thank you, Mate's always good to chat with you, Josh.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, hey.

Speaker 14 (20:28):
So I just look at it like this.

Speaker 11 (20:31):
The policy itself is worth a good debate, and what
I'd like the media to do is set up a
decent debate between all these parties and they can all
bicker and debate the ins and outs of these policies.
Because there is one true thing about what's happening, and

(20:53):
that is the tax system that we have right now
is not going to work in thirty years.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
What part of it, Josh, If you look at.

Speaker 11 (21:06):
You look at wages, the wage tank is going to
almost disappear. So we've got to be really careful and
our we don't have enough young people coming through to
pay the tax needed to maintain the system.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yep, that is true.

Speaker 11 (21:30):
So like we do have to think outside the box.
We do have to actually have a restructure of the
tax system. It's just a matter of when do you
want to do it and how you want to do it.
So I think we need to see some decent debates
happening between these parties around their policy. I don't think

(21:53):
it's It's definitely not a black and white issue. There's
a lot of nuance, and I couldn't say, Tyler, that
I'd agree one hundred percent with any tax policy I've
heard thus far. But what I'd say is that definitely
worth a good debate.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
What don't you like about the land takes idea.

Speaker 11 (22:14):
Josh, I'm just listening to a lot of people are
sort of freaking out about a few things, and one
of the ideas would be, like my personal feeling, I
feel a tax should only be paid on the transference

(22:34):
or sale of a property, and if that property is
not going anywhere or moving anywhere, I don't feel like
it should be taxed. However, there are land bankers in
this country that hold on to big packets of land,
and nobody can buy in because it's already owned to

(22:57):
some people. These are numbers on a spreadsheet. They're not
a real thing happening in the community. They're just numbers
on a bit of paper. The problem with that is
people like middle aged people like myself who wouldn't mind
buying a piece of land.

Speaker 13 (23:19):
Go to look for a bit of land and find out, hey,
look you can buy twenty acres or thirty acres, but
change buying two acres because there ain't no two acres.

Speaker 11 (23:32):
So that's an issue too. But yeah, if we made
money off the sale of every cent that leaft this
country and profit, that would be a good way to
do it.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
It would be part of a josh. But you don't
think all this discussion around various tax policies that people
are bringing to the table wanting to change the system,
we only hear of add ons.

Speaker 15 (23:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I take labor for example. They want to introduce a
capital gains tax, bearing a mind the bright line teast
already exists if you sell your home in less than
two years, so you know that already exists to a
certain extent. But there's no talk there when you introduce
a new tax like that, that you're going to cut
tax in some other element of our system. It just

(24:13):
seems to be adding on another tax and another tax,
another tax, rather than a rejig to if they think
it's unfair to completely rejig it and front up with
one that's a good idea.

Speaker 11 (24:25):
Well, what it is, Tyler, is all of the information
hasn't been debated through yet. So what you actually need
is the smartest people in the room having a good
old debate, because you know the fine tuning of the policy.
You can put the idea out there. That's fine, it's
not one hundred percent, but it's getting the conversation heading

(24:48):
in the right direction. We've got a thirty year window
to sort this out, and God Bless America, hopefully they
stay reasonably well and that doesn't affect us. But we've
no time to really sort this out.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Fair enough to have Josh and you snuck a with
God Bless America in there. God Bless you, Josh, Thank
you very much for your phone calls. Josh right, you
know whether this land tax idea is ludicrous, and I
think it is ludicrous. But is he right that there
needs to be some debate around our tax system going
forward for the next thirty forty years. We've got some
big challenges ahead super annuation for one, and Josh is

(25:26):
right there are as we go through the decades into
the future, there's going to be less and less people
working paying that income tax into a system arguably paying
for the pension. So is he right that we do
need to have a legitimate discussion on how we rejig
our tax system to make sure it is fair, equitable
and is going to work going forward, because there's always

(25:47):
pros and cons. Right, is that any changes you have
to a tax system, you need to make sure it's
still going to boost the economy. It's still going to
be beneficial for making sure people get into work to
pay taxes, to be productive, to get an economy humming,
rather than just tax, tax, tax, because we don't have
the money. But what do you say, Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number? To call it
nine two ninety two If you want to send a

(26:09):
text plenty of those coming through it is twenty one
to two.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
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Speaker 2 (26:18):
Said, be nineteen to two. We're talking about the Opportunity Party.
It's doing pretty well in recent polls. The latest one
had them at eight percent. Of A question to you
is what is the appeal of the Opportunity Party if
they can't get their flagship policies across the line because
National says it's not going to work Labor and Chris
Hopkins said this morning they're not going to do a
deal on any sort of land tax or UBI. So
where does this actually leave the party because that has

(26:41):
been the essence of Opportunity right since its inception with
Gareth Morgan. He's always talked about UBI, They've always talked
about land tax, they talked about getting rid of cats.
They've dropped the cat policy, but everything else remains the same,
does it. So what do you say if you've been
looking at Opportunity Party, what is it about that party
that you like so much? Tell me, oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number? Get a current?

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Oh hi, yeah, I think the Opportunity Party is it's
like a fantasy fantasy land, you know, because if you
look at what's happening overseas, you know, whether it's one
nation or you know, a Nogel France party in the UK.
I mean they all got a lot of momentum and
then they kind of fizzle out, So you know, like, yeah,

(27:30):
so I don't think a lot is going to happen,
especially like you just mentioned, you know, when National Labor
not going to really entertain. They might have a confidence
in supply agreement or something, but they're not going to accept,
you know, most of the major policies of the Opportunities Party.
So I think it's going to be a wasted vote

(27:51):
to be giving any of them. So I don't think
it's going to go anywhere. To be honest, I don't
think the country is ready for all those extra taxes
or Yes, the UBI sounds good, but is it practical,
you know.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh, to have you know, I have everybody in New Zealand,
every on effectively a benefit and you use a land
tax to pay for that UBI. I can't see the
sense in that they call it a citizen's income. It
is a universal basic income. And if you look at
the policies that are being suggested elsewhere in the world,
I mean, there's never been a place that that's works successfully.

(28:26):
I mean effectively, that is socialism verging on communism. Isn't
it to give everybody an income whether they earn it
or not.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
I mean the other thing is, why don't they just
reduce the taxes, you know, instead of charging the tax
and then giving the money back. That seems like, you know,
typical bureaucracy. Why don't they say, well, we're going to
tax you and then reduce everyone's income taxes or reduce
gsd Oh No, you know they're not suggesting that. So

(28:56):
I don't think it's very practical, to be honest. So
I think, yes, look, there's probably a bit of excitement,
and also I might sound like a conspiracy theorist, but
you know, it makes me then wonder how credible these
polls are, you know, when they're kind of saying, oh wow,
they're going to be the king maker and all of this. So,
you know, it's just I don't know, I think it's

(29:17):
at all. Everyone's just fantasizing and just going wow, it
wouldn't it be nice to have some new party throw
them in the mix with all the other combinations we've
got At the moment, I don't think it's going to
go anywhere, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, I mean, interesting your thoughts on that camera. As
I heard Peter Dune, he was on with Mike costk
In this morning talking about this, you know, the Opportunity
Party on eight percent, and he didn't make the point
he thought their run was too early, that we're still,
you know, a little under three months out from the election.
They've got their big boost, but now the spotlight is
starting to go on, not just these much hyped text

(29:54):
reset policies, but everything else that they've got on their
website that may not cut the mustard, including they've got
it off the website now, but that idea they originally
had that anyone under the age of twenty five should
be put through the youth court. Clearly they realized that
it was a stupid idea and got rid of it.
But this is where the rubber meets the road. So
maybe you're right, Maybe this is just a blit of

(30:14):
the peaked too early, and once that spotlight and critical
analysis starts to come down on their other policies, it
might see them go down a bit.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Yeah, totally. I mean, we'll see what happens. And I mean,
I don't mind actually supporting a new party, like I'm
actually an act voter, but yeah, you know, I mean
it might be scaring some people off as well, like
you know, making people nervous, you know, with all these taxes,
Like the previous schoolers mentioned, it's the wrong time to

(30:46):
be bringing in when economy, unfortunately is reliant on the
housing market. We can't just keep let the housing market,
you know, keep crashing, and you know, we'll just end
up in a depression, you know, if we have another
crash going on for another three or five years.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, that's right, yeah, I mean that is the other
part of it. On the land tax, and I think
they've specified that on their website, But most calculations, if
you implement a land tax, particularly at the level they
are talking about, you see land values drop ten to
fifteen percent. What does that do to an economy? What
does that do to the spending power of many people
who own land or property? You know, whether or not

(31:24):
you think it's unfair and you want to get into
a house and you think it's too expensive and the
system screwed for you as a young person. That is
not great for you overall, not great for the economy,
and we'll keep us in the doldrooms for much longer.
But what do you say? Am I wrong?

Speaker 6 (31:37):
Nine?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Two nine two is the text? Phil? You've been considering opportunity?

Speaker 16 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, I was. I'm a bit lost, to be
honest with you. I've brought up in a labor, working
a class, for family, labor, environment. Always voted left, both
my parents and myself while on a suit. You know,
but I must admit that I kind of lost a
bit of faith with Labor over the last couple of years,

(32:05):
and I thought, I've never been a national voter. I
will admit that I had like some of the stuff
that they have done while they've been in power so far.
So I was sort of thinking, where am I going
to go? You know, it's likest the queens, and some
of their ideas are okay, and then some of them
are a bit radical. You know, do I go act?

(32:29):
And that's sort of like a kind of version of
National But maybe I don't know whether he'd say more
severe or a little bit watered down. So what I'd
done last year was I thought I knew that the
last election, I knew that Labor weren't going to win
it because of the fall out with the COVID and everything.
So I thought I'll try and vote strategically and split

(32:52):
my vote, and I voted for old Winston Peters New Zealand.
First voted for New Zealand, first for the party, and
then I voted for the Labor candidate. But there was
my kind of way of hoping that I thought, well,
he's going to be the kingmaker again New Zealand first,
and he might kind of put a handbrakeer bit on
national getting too business orientated policies over the working and
beneficiary type sort of stuff. But so with Toype coming

(33:15):
on the scene, I didn't really know a lot about them.
But having said, having said that, I'm not too keen
on this land tax and that especially hearing the coolers
that called and he said about his brother in law
relation in Australia and the values of the houses and
the land and what was going on over there with that.
And I'm not sure about a capital gains tax even

(33:35):
though it looks like they wouldn't get over the line
with them. So for me, the th reason why I
was considering top was I was just thinking, well, there's
something different and there's something new, So just looking for
something new because I'm a bit tired of the old
the two old parties, and give them a go. But
I think I'm not so sure now the more I
sort of listened, the more I might just have to

(33:57):
go back to the old labor. I think even if
I'm not that happy about it.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Good to hear from your pelt, but I think you've
hit the nail on the head for a lot of
people out there who are saying that they would vote
for the opportunity that they had disenfranchised with national They're
disenfranchised with labor, the other parties on offer. They think
that there's something seriously wrong and perhaps opportunity is not
the answer. But they are different. They are offering something

(34:21):
very radical. It's effectively a protest vote. I mean, whether
it's good for the country or not. I mean, if
you've got into that situation where you were so disenfranchised
with the direction of the country that you're willing to
give an opportunity with some an opportunity too, quite literally,
the Opportunity Party with some very radical ideas that would,

(34:43):
if they ever got across the line, drastically changed this country.
I mean, that is a very very poor position to
be in, is it not. Nine two ninety two is
the text number. I'll get to a few of those
right now. Hi, there great question regarding top I think
there is one reason for their increased support, but I
do think these three are the protest votes against the

(35:04):
major parties. I think voters are now not wanting to
be boxed as a left to block or a right
block as you may want to look at it on
a case by case basis for what you think you
want to change. I also think we are starting to
learn how MMP really works. We have not had a
real central block party since United Future, and TOP is
trying to find that gap. I think it is trying
to represent people more centrist and maybe swing vote election

(35:27):
to election. That's from Stephan. So do you agree with Stephan?
And do you think the Opportunity Party really truly is
a centrist party or do you think they are clearly
on the left. Tell me what you think. Nineteen niney
two is the text number. It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 7 (35:49):
News Dogs.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
It is six to two, Get a Graham Afternoon.

Speaker 17 (35:57):
I was considering them until I realized, digging deep into
their policy, that this universal income didn't apply to anyone
on a benefit or super gnuation. Yes, so me, as
a super it would face an extra seven and a
half percent in tax with no increase in income.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
So is that the big floor? I mean when they
talk about a tax reseat, you're quite right, Graham, that
it's not a full tax reset, is it. And clearly,
if you're bringing in a UBI that doesn't go to pensioners,
and then you've got the hand tax on top of that,
a one point seventy five percent, you're in the gun
for a big tax bill at the end of each year.

Speaker 18 (36:36):
Right, Yep.

Speaker 17 (36:37):
They have promised that, however, you don't have to pay
it until your dial.

Speaker 18 (36:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
But they's so just an inherentent sax then, isn't it, Graham?

Speaker 17 (36:45):
It is It is so that ruled them out for me.
But yeah, they seem to be popular amongst some people,
but certainly not my family.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Do you think, Graham that a lot of it is
when you hear the idea of a UBI three hundred
and seventy five bucks per week, free and easy. You
don't have to do anything for it just goes into
your bank account. That is very tempting for a lot
of young voters there there. But the sad reality is
when you look at the overall policy of their tax
reset and what it's going to do for land price
is what potentially would do for the economy that is

(37:18):
not taken into account. They see that big number of
three hundred and seventy five, but seventy dollars money for
doing nothing. That sounds good to me, o'ld tick Top.

Speaker 17 (37:28):
Absolutely, I think that is a major factor. And I
think Winston's Peter's policy of paying for children is equally
a similar sort of level.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yep, fair enough to Graham, thank you very much for
your call. Nine two ninety two is the text. We'll
get a few texts before the news hits us. Tyler,
I don't believe Top we'll make the three shold teach
in parliament. If they do, then they will be a
wasted voters. Neither of the main parties want a bar
of their policies, so they have nothing to offer the
voting public of New Zealand. That's from Craig. This one
says Opportunity Party will appeal to younger voters as there

(38:03):
will be that universal benefit the ubi that they don't
need to worry about land tax. Thanks for talking about
the TOP policies and this one, Hi Tyler Mayer propose
that TOPS appeal to some seems to be that they
are at least proposing metal meta scale reform for those
who feel locked out of a fair go. There is
little to no difference between the established center left and

(38:24):
center right voting. It's easy to criticize, but younger generations
simply don't believe that the status quote will ever work
for them. Very very interesting and this one, hey, Tyler.
The question of what policy will get across the line
for TOP isn't a question for TOP only on the right.
We need to ask National Act n Z first, the Greens,
Labor to Party MARIORI, all of them what their bottom

(38:47):
lines are. We are very close to an election and
the voting public needs to know before we go to
the polling booths on November the seventh. That I absolutely
I agree with great discussion, Thank you very much. Coming
up after two o'clock when it comes to job ads,
should the s salary be put front and center? Tell
me what you think you Sport and weather coming up

(39:08):
with Raylen Ramsey, Great Avia Company on this Thursday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
The very good afternoon, gire, welcome back into the program.
Great to have your company on this Thursday afternoon. Hope
you're doing well wherever you're listening in from.

Speaker 13 (39:32):
SO.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Businesses who failed to disclose salary details upfront in job
advertisements could be missing out on top talent. That's according
to a new report. SO Robert ha Half survey of
two hundred and fifty hiring managers in New Zealand found
eighty seven percent of employers said they had lost a
candidate because salary expectations were misaligned after failing to include

(39:54):
pad details in job at advertisements. Almost half forty seven
percent of employers who did lose a candidate said it
happened frequently, and the survey sound more than half of
employers fifty eight percent said they did include salary details
in their job ads, while forty two percent did not.
For the group who did include the salary details upfront,

(40:16):
ninety two percent said doing so improves the quality of
the applications they receive. So this is what I to
have a chat about over the next hour or so
when it comes to job ads, And as we know,
employments is up a little bit and there are people
more people out there looking for jobs. How important is
it when it comes to the job market that you

(40:37):
actually specify how much you're going to pay someone in
the job ad itself. So they're pretty incredible figures that
forty two percent of the job ads placed in the
likes of Seek and elsewhere do not include salary expectations
in that particular advert. Is that a massive put off
for you straight out of the bat if you are

(40:58):
someone who has been looking for a job recently, you're
still looking for a job. Now, is that kind of
a basic that you put into a job advert how
much you are going to be paid? I say absolutely,
you should be putting that front and center in a
job ad. I mean, why would you consider wasting your
time applying for a particular job. You might be well

(41:18):
suited for it, but if you've got no idea what
the starting salary is, then why would you waste your
time with that? I also want to broaden this out
a little bit when it comes to the job hunting
process as well. What is it actually like out there
for you if you are in that position of your
or you've been in that position recently, because you hear
anecdotally it is getting more and more complicated. One you've

(41:40):
got the job ads that don't specify how much you
are going to be paid, not even the ballpark, but
then the actual recruiting situation after that, in the multiple interviews,
how much AI comes into it if you've got to
speak to an AI bot before you get to chat
to a real person. And then there's the question on
when does the conversation come up during that interview process

(42:01):
on what the actual salary is? Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number to call a nine two
ninety two is the text number? If you're currently looking
for a job or you've been in that position recently.
Did you just see the job ads? There was no
salary expectation there. There was nothing about how much you're
going to be paid? And kept on scrolling. How important

(42:23):
is it that businesses are upfront? And if you're a employer,
if you're a business owner, is that important for you
when you put a job ad in? How important is
it for you to say, here's a position, here's the
rough salary. If you bring these skills to the table,
you're going to be at the upper end of that.
Or is it better to just leave that out? And
see who comes through the table. Oh, eight one hundred

(42:45):
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two
ninety two is the text number. It is ten past two.
More in a few moments your home.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Of Afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons call.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk said be.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
It is thirteen past two. So, if you're looking for
a job at the moment, there's a pretty simple piece
of information that could make the whole process a lot easier.
That is, how much does the job actually pay? So
new research that just putting a salary range in a
job ad can improve both the number and quality of applications.
And you can understand why, right, if you're going to
spend an hour updating your CV, maybe more, writing a

(43:25):
cover letter, filling out an online application, potentially getting to
the interview stage, wouldn't you want to know whether the
job is actually worth your time? So, according to the research,
almost half forty two percent of job ads don't specify
how much the job is actually going to pay. But
it also speaks to the wider experience of job hunting,
does it not, which can be incredibly difficult. If that

(43:48):
is you at the moment, and if that is, you
really can to hear from you On eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. You can spend weeks scrolling through the
job sites, firing off applications and hearing absolutely nothing back.
You get the ads asking for five years experience, ten
different skills of personality that apparently doesn't that apparently needs
to be dynamic, resilient, passionate. So there's all a lot
going on when it comes to these ads, but almost

(44:09):
half don't specify how much you're going to be paid.
And then you get to the interview process. Right Anecdotally,
you hear more and more that the interview process when
it comes to jobs is getting incredibly complex, that you've
got to go through a little bit of AI before
you speak to a real person. So if you've been
through that process recently, or you are going through it
right now, tell me what it's like on on one

(44:32):
hundred eighty ten eighty. So found I found myself in
this position before when the salary wasn't specified for a
particular job. You get to the interview process and then
that awkward conversation comes out as so, what are your
salary expectations? And this one particular job. They asked me
that question, and I came out with a number I

(44:54):
thought was in the ballpark that I'd be happy with.
But thank god, the person interviewing me said, ooh, it's
a little bit low. The job actually goes for about
ten k more than that. Thank god for that honesty,
because they could have been rubbing their hands together and said, you, beauty,

(45:14):
this guy has managed to low ball himself and we
can get away with paying them ten thousand dollars less.
I mean, the upshot of that particular situation is I
never forgot that particular person. Always look at that particular person,
still know them as someone with a huge amount of integrity,
and was incredibly loyal to that particular person as long

(45:37):
as I was at that company. Still am to be frank,
So what is your experiences like, oh, eight hundred and eighty,
ten eighty the process of hiring? What are you having
to go through out there? At the moment, we have
seen those unemployment numbers go up, but on the flip side,
the New Zealand labor market is also starting to move again.
Nbie s his online job advertisements grew eleven point eight
percent in the year to March. So that is a

(46:00):
good sign as well. Dita, how are you?

Speaker 19 (46:05):
I'm good?

Speaker 7 (46:06):
Are you noic?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Its great to chat with you. Just make sure you've
got that radio down in the background. Oh yeah, I'll
just let you do that. I'll just read a text
and I'll come back to you. Dita, you just don't
go anywhere Toyler. I agree. Regarding remuneration disclosure, However, among
those employers who already disclose, they exaggerate the numbers by
stating on track earnings and don't fis up to the

(46:29):
actual salaries. That's from Brendan. I think we've got data back,
you know.

Speaker 20 (46:34):
Hi, how are you very.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Nice to chat with you? So are you in the
process of going through, you know, looking for jobs at
the moment?

Speaker 20 (46:43):
Yes, I am. And it's insane that I've already applied
more than two hundred and fifty jobs and to be
told that it didn't progress further. And when I go
through and ask what was the reason behind why didn't
he didn't go through? It seems like lately they have

(47:07):
been doing some dodgy jobs from the hiring companies. Right
what I see is the dodgy thing of just discover
is that they just want to They see people as
a dollar sign, honestly, so they just want to take
their numbers, how many they have interviewed, and yeah, so

(47:31):
they can claim I think, from issuance or whatever the
purpose is. But it's insane to say that I went
there with the micro qualification, with the experience, which is
I believe that it's something that I can contribute to
the company, to be told sorry, can do it, and
then one of their teams they will come and tell you, oh,

(47:54):
we didn't hire because currently the business is not doing well,
so we are currently looking for casual people. And literally
they're looking for people who are desperately need a job,
but then give them a casual hours right.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay, well that does saund a little bit dodgy. So
how many you've said you've had two hundred applications, how
many of those have got to the interview stage?

Speaker 20 (48:20):
I did probably five of them out of two hundred
and fifty jobs I've applied, and five of them that
I've got the interview.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
And what does that interview process looks look like?

Speaker 18 (48:35):
Dade?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Are you having to speak too?

Speaker 20 (48:37):
Are insanely insanely saying that it's a lot of process.
And also for someone who's literally willing to put the
work into and make the effort to change the country.
They literally wasting our times.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
What's very much? What sort the jobs that you're applying.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
For hospitality industry?

Speaker 20 (49:02):
So pretty much I'm a chef and a pastry baker,
right my title? And yeah, and we can see that
it's insane that the business still here.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
So what are they actually making? Yeah, you carry higher people.

Speaker 20 (49:23):
The people who are hired in people, they're just getting
the wrong people, which is we believe we want to
work for pure good intention, we don't get a chance.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well, that seems like a good quality data. So how
do you predict that though, because you know, we've spoken
about this in the past when it comes to looking
for the best higher and aptitude and attitude is a
big thing. And it sounds like you've got attitude in space.
So why do you think you're not getting across the line.

Speaker 20 (49:54):
Some some sort of people when they see your work,
they get in terminated, in chinidated. Sorry, And if they
see you are good at something, they'll just feel like no, no, no, sorry,
I cannot trump, I cannot go with you. That's that's
how it is.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
That is that is tough. Yeah, that is really tough. Yeah,
So what is the what does the interview process look
like for you as a shift? Do they do? They
bring you in and say we want you to make
the see how you go.

Speaker 20 (50:24):
Yes, they totally take that time for me pretty much
maximum of two hours. So you go in, you bake things,
and then you go all through PaperWorks online. You all
go through this interview with the AI ship right now.
For it's insane to see that it's a long process

(50:48):
to be just told I'm sorry it didn't progress further.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
How many hours do you think you'd put into that process?
So two hours to come in there and show your
skills and then you've got the extra interviews and a
bit of AI in there.

Speaker 20 (51:02):
Yeah, and that long distance don't tell me about it
because sometimes you will get a probably forty eight kilometers
away from where you live. Since y kilometers away from
where you live, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
That is really tough data. And really hope that you
find a position there because it sounds like you've got
the aptitude and you've got the attitude as well. You
just want a job and be able to do a
good job, as you say, for this country and yourself.
So really hope you're successful, are you like Dieta? Is
that what it's like out there at the moment if
you were hunting for a job and as an employer,

(51:38):
what is the quality of candidates like that you are
getting through? You know, part of this research looking at
putting the salary up front was trying to get the
best quality candidates you could applying to those ads and
not putting the salary up front meant you had every
man and his dog applying and a lot of them

(51:58):
very low quality. So that must be frustrating as well
for an employer when you've got hundreds, maybe even thousands
for a position and you've got a way through all
of those various applications to find people who are worthy
of being interviewed. So tell me what it's like out there. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
and nine two niney two is the text. Couple of
texts to the break getay Tyler seak AADs have the

(52:19):
ability to put a salary range in when loading the air,
and you can choose to make that published or not,
but it is definitely available when the candidate looks at
the job that's from Graham Getde Tyler. I've always found
the highest paid jobs do not advertise the money side
of things. That's from Shane. So keep those techs coming
through night on nine two ninety two and taking your
calls O. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're on

(52:41):
the job market, how's it going? If you're an employer
looking for an employee, how is it like for you
as well? It is twenty two past two, backfory shortly.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
everything in between. Matd Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons Used Talks EDB.
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Used Talks.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
EDB twenty four past two. So we're talking about new
research that shows the best way to find the best
candidate when it comes to job ads is to put
the salary up front. So, if you're in the job
market at the moment, what is it like out there
on how many ads are actually presenting that? The research
theres are almost half forty two percent don't put the
salary up front. But there's also some research that came

(53:29):
out recently when you talk about pay transparency, and I
suppose that comes into it a little bit. And so
the particular research made claim that pay transparency in a
workplace can actually be more beneficial for that business hugely controversial,
but this does come into it a little bit that
if you are working in a particular company and you
see that they've advertised a job and they've given the

(53:52):
salary range, and you see that you are not getting
paid as much as who they are looking for in
a similar position, does that then start to become a
little bit awkward? You know, more and more businesses have
been talking about internationally but also some in New Zealand,
about making all salaries transparent within a workplace. Can you
see the fishooks in that sort of policy that if

(54:14):
you know what every single person within a company earns,
does that lead to jealousy or does that make it
a little bit more fair for an employee to ask
for what they think they're worth Because it's always the
awkward part, right when it comes to renegotiating a salary
or getting a pay rise. What is the best way
to do that? For many companies, they have a yearly

(54:36):
review process where they sit down and look at the
work that you've done over the past twelve months, where
you've ticked off your KPIs and then you start negotiating.
But I think a lot of people don't negotiate when
they get to that point. There's an offer that's presented
to them on the table. They say, you've ticked this KPI,
exceeded expectations, here, done al right, here, here's the number.
Are you happy with that? And I think most people

(54:58):
would say, yep, that looks pretty good to me. Or
are you one of those people that negotiates pretty strongly?
Each time that comes around. Oh eight, one hundred eighty
ten is the number to call. Plenty of texts coming
through on nine two nine two, This one says Tyler.
For myself, I struggle indicating on the wage salary because
I want an employee to want to leave where they

(55:21):
are because of to work where they are, rather because
of more than just money. I pay more than many
other countries in my companies in my field, but they
have to want the conversation for more than just the money,
or they're off to the next person down the road
at a whisper of a pay rise. Thank you very
much for that text, and this one says Hi Tyler
years ago, when applying for a job, the interviewer asked

(55:44):
what salary I was expecting me? Well, at the moment,
I'm earning nothing, so do you pay more than that?
That's from Jake. Great text, Jake, keep those coming through
ninet two, nine to two and taking your calls. I
wait one hundred eighty ten eighty it is twenty eight
past two. Backfree shortly here on news talks edb.

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Speaker 2 (57:29):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty nine to three.
So it's an issue I've got going on at the
moment that i wanted to put to you good people,
and it's about bartering in New Zealand. So if you
heard a couple of weeks ago our TV wink Colpot
just didn't switch on anymore. In fact, it switched on,
but the nothing came up on the screen. And it's

(57:50):
about a twenty year old TV. It was a Samsung
good tally for the last twenty years, but I thought
it was time that we buy something new and fancy,
and there was a lot of good suggestions coming through.
But I'm still in the market because I want to
get the right one. But why I bring this up
is on the bartering aspect. I have seen a recent
article and I'll read out some of it in the moment,

(58:12):
but it's about haggling in New Zealand and whether that
is okay or frowned upon when it comes to the
likes of TV or whiteware, or in fact anything. So
this article says almost anything apparently you can buy can
be treated as though it is up for negotiation, whether
it is big or small. A business price is their offer,
and in order to make a financial transition transaction, you

(58:34):
have to accept their offer to have a contract for goods,
no matter what they may be. But as a culture,
kiwis tend to pay up as opposed to contesting a price,
even if it means they are missing out on a deal.
So negotiation expert Mark Simpson had advice for people out
there is to do your research to help get the
best bang for your Buckie said, no what the market

(58:56):
rate is for what you want to buy, have a
look on price, buy a look on the internet and
determine what the best deal is. So that's what I
want to have a chat to you about eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty when it comes to bartering, where
is the line in New Zealand? Because I think there
is a line. I think there are some things absolutely
you should haggle over. Cars are definitely one of them,
whether that's a new car or a second hand car.

(59:18):
Clearly you haggle over the price of a house the
other big purchases. But when it comes to the likes
of a TV, there is still something in me that
if I go to the likes of Harvey Norman or
no lemin or PB Tech and I have a look
at the TV that I want to buy, and now
I get to the point where the conversation goes, hey,

(59:38):
can you do me a better deal? Can you knock
off ten percent if I pay with cash? That is
just not something I'm entirely comfortable worth doing. Am I
a mug?

Speaker 21 (59:49):
Here?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Is this something that most key we should actually be
doing when it comes to the likes of TV's whitewear.
In fact, anything that you go to buy within reasoning,
the art of haggling. It is incredibly common in many
places overseas, and I've seen them. I've seen people in
stores when they go to buy a new fridge and
they get to the checkout or they're there with the

(01:00:10):
salesperson and say, I'm seventeen hundred. I don't know, can
you do any better than that? Can you knock off
a couple of hundred? What else can you bring to
the table? So what is your view when it comes
to haggling or bartering in New Zealand stores? Is that
something that as a culture we just a loathe to do?
Are we too willing to pay the upfront price? Or
do you think there is some regal room there when

(01:00:33):
it comes to bartering. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you're the ultimate hagler
out there. I want to hear from you. The text
are coming in thick and fast. This one says, get
a tyler. I work in the car industry, and the
price of the car the average margin get this is
two thousand and five two thousand, seven hundred and fifty

(01:00:53):
dollars plus GST. The system is broken. And this one says,
get a tiler. I always haggle, no matter what the
product is, whether it's a TV. Sometimes I've even haggled
at the supermarket. You can't haggle in a supermarket. What
are you going up with a qcuber and say it's
two dollars ninety? I don't like the sound of that.
Could you do it for two dollars fifty? Haggling at

(01:01:15):
the supermarket? That is full noise? Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. What's your thoughts
when it comes to haggling in New Zealand? You just
pray pay the price as it is? Or have you
got the cajones to actually go up and say you
know what I reckon? You can knock a couple of
hundred off that no matter what the product is. It
is twenty five to three. Taking your calls, oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty back very shortly here on

(01:01:37):
Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks, EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
It is twenty two to two three and we're talking
about haggling. It has been seen for a long time
as a bit of a taboo thing to do New Zeale.
I say that because generally I'm looking for a new TV.
I take my time with these sort of things because
I am a bit of a budget I don't like
to spend too much money. So there was a recommendation
made to me that when I'm buying my new TV,

(01:02:06):
I should be haggling the price. But I just can't.
I just can't get myself to that point when I'm
in the shop, just say, can you knock a couple
of hundred bucks off?

Speaker 20 (01:02:14):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Am I a mug? Is this actually something that we
should be doing more of in New Zealand? Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
Get a Michelle Hi, I.

Speaker 21 (01:02:23):
Was really surprised to hear you don't haggle. I just
thought everybody did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Well. The text are coming in thick and fast. There's
been hundreds, and most of them are calling me a mug.
To be honest, Michelle, that I just had no idea
that that haggling was such a common thing in New Zealand.
I thought we were all too too polite for that,
and we didn't like confrontations so we just decided to
pay the price. But it sounds like it is that
it is the done thing, particularly whether Talley or whitewear.

(01:02:49):
I mean the supermarket I thought was a little bit
too far. Can you really haggle over a cucumber?

Speaker 21 (01:02:55):
You can haggle over a cucumber if you really want
to hangle over a cue. I mean at a market,
you absolutely would.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Wouldn't you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Yeah, a market, yeah, a market, I would. Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:03:04):
Yeah. So it's respectful. It's just a conversation. Normally you
would get up sold right. You go and you know
exactly what you want. You've done all the research, and
they sell you something or they try and sell you
something that you now have no idea what its value is,
so you can just ask them, can I get a
bit of deal? I've also even just said can have

(01:03:24):
a moment, looked up competitive prices on my phone and said, okay,
these places are doing it cheaper. Can you match that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Right? And what do they say to you when you
do that? They just give me a moment and you
look it up and you show them, Hey, these guys
over the road are doing it for two hundred bucks cheaper.
Do they roll their eyes? Or do they say, hey,
let me have a check to my manager.

Speaker 21 (01:03:43):
Oh, not even there. If it's someone like animates, they
know exactly that.

Speaker 18 (01:03:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:03:46):
Well, most shops will say if it's another shop that
you could walk in right now, then they will give
you that discount without even talking to a manager.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Hang minute, Hang on a minute. You're doing this. You're
doing this for pet food as well.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
What everything.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Got on you? Michelle? You got guts? I like that.

Speaker 21 (01:04:06):
I just thought everyone did this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Okay, Well I'm learning a lot here. I mean, because I.

Speaker 21 (01:04:12):
Think will give you a discount. It depends on stock levels,
on the sales person. But it's not confrontational. It's just
a friendly conversation and they either can.

Speaker 20 (01:04:21):
Or they can.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
What about what about the chemist? Would you do it
with the chemist?

Speaker 22 (01:04:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:04:26):
Doing it with a chemist depends again what their stock
levels look like and what the end of month is.
You do it anywhere? I can't think of anywhere. I
wouldn't do it at the school.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's the line. So what do you do?
What do you do when they say no, Michelle? Do
you get a bit toey there and say, way, you
just lost my business, see you later.

Speaker 21 (01:04:45):
No, it depends how badly you want the product, so
you either take the product or if you're really keen.
If you're not that keen, I often don't even care
if I wait for a purchase, So I'm happy to
wait for a sale anyway, unless it's something like your
phone is broken and you're just impatient. But yeah, if
I really want it, I'll buy it for what price

(01:05:07):
they're asking. If I don't really want to, I'll say
I'll think about it, and I'll just look around and
then if I can't find anything better, I might just
go back in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, God on you, Michelle. So Michelle haggels for pretty
much anything. If that's you, I one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. I mean when it comes to the pit places, look,
I get where Michelle's coming from, and I take my
head off to it. But if I'm going to go
buy some dog treats or dog food, I mean, at
that point getting my phone out and saying that G

(01:05:35):
is across the road of doing it for ten dollars
cheaper than you. If you don't match it, I'm out
of here, am I mug? Is that what most people
in New Zealand are doing right now? Tell me. Nine
two ninety two is the text number. Paul. You always hagle.

Speaker 7 (01:05:49):
Hey gam buddy, Yeah, goode.

Speaker 23 (01:05:50):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
Actually, look, the bottom line is that I will first
go to a big retail shop, which is you know,
starts with an eighteen finishers as normal. I don't want
to knock anyone down. But on the same token as that,
I'll just see what the prices are. And then because
I live in Wanganuit and there's a locally owned and

(01:06:15):
operated same sort of retailer, It's called Dimmock Sexy and
and then I'll go along and see those people there
and I'll say, look, you know, bottom line is this
is their price here, roly rare are. And but I
don't predominantly just buy one item. I might say that
with two items and yeah, and they always do a deal.

(01:06:41):
But on the same token is that I love, I
actually love to trade with locally owned and operated businesses,
you know, because the big corporate ones out of Australia
or whatever, you know, they're all about dollars a cent
or whatever. But the local ones that are always putting

(01:07:02):
back into the community. Yeah, and that's a massive thing
that everybody has to realize and respect.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yeah, and that is a very fair point, Paul. But
there must be a line there that I know, I mean, traditionally,
I think it has been a bit of a taboo
in New Zealand that we don't like confrontation. So I
would assume many of us out there would just pay
what the price is on the little ticket whatever we're buying,
whether it's a TV or whether it's some dog food.
Clearly there's a lot of people that don't do that.

(01:07:31):
But there must be a line. I mean, would you
haggle it at fast food? Is this texture indicated?

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
Look, the thing is that I run a local sort
of building coming ruer business and every time I quote something,
everyone wants to have a little bit of a haggle
about it. Do you try and get it down a
little bit lower? And at the end of the day,
I don't know, they're just trying to get ten percent

(01:08:00):
off or they just telling them a pork pie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
The other thing this reminds me of, Paul, and this
is it's sort of in the same vein and get
your view on it, but this is I mean, perhaps
haggling is a more truthful way of doing it. But
people when they go into say shoe store, or they're
trying on a piece of clothing. They're just trying to
get it sized up because I've already seen it online
for far cheaper than it is in the retail shop.

(01:08:27):
But you know, they're taking advantage of the retailer there
when they go and try the shoe and question, oh, yeah,
that's a good fit, or I like the feel, and
then walk out and buy it somewhere cheaper. Perhaps it's
more truthful than saying to the retailer, hey, look, I
like the shoe, but I see it online for a
lot cheaper. Can you get somewhat close to that?

Speaker 6 (01:08:46):
I look one hundred percent? I know, Zinker, what are
you saying? Because and amongst that retailing side is that
people will be online all the time and to be answered.
But I feel sorry for those retailers because they would
have no end of probably ninety percent of the captains
would come and just try their jecket on, try that
shoe on, try it whatever on, knowing that they're never

(01:09:09):
ever going to purchase it, that they will purchase it online.
And to be honest with you, at the end of
the day, the poor shop has got like a person
working in amongst the retail side of it. I've got
to pay the rent, they've got to pay everything else,
and then these people just go away and just find

(01:09:30):
online and they've had to be a trial, a free
trial in the shop, and just for one of them
better bird, they just lie to the to the retailer
that they were going to purchase it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Which is rough on those retail shops, isn't it poort.
I've seen some stories overseas where they're actually charging customers
to try on a particular shoe and if they like it,
they take off that charge off the purchase price. But
you know, because they are seeing more and more people
come and try a shoe and them buggering off and
buying an online somewhere else.

Speaker 9 (01:10:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
Look, it's so true because you know an online thing
is it's okay, if you can wait through four day,
it'll turn up. Yeah, and at the end of the
day it's probably you know, forty cheaper. But this is
the downslow. You've actually got no washed back.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
So if it has a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Of a player or something goes wrong with it, you
just got to try and a rubbish or fry it away.
If it plays up and you can take it back
to the shop where you purchased it from. They will
stand by it exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Yeah, you've got that protection, Paul, Thank you very much
for your call. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Are you're massive hegler for pretty much everything that you buy?
Like Michelle earlier when it comes to dog food. One
text has said that they haggle with the supermarket. I
can't believe that. How do you haggle at a supermarket?
I mean who you're haggling with? Do you have to
get the manager down to say that you're not going

(01:11:00):
to pay that price for mushrooms unless they drop the
price by twenty percent? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number? Two? Call June?

Speaker 18 (01:11:08):
How I'm good?

Speaker 24 (01:11:09):
Tayler?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
How are you very good? You want to tell me
how to go?

Speaker 24 (01:11:13):
Yeah? I will in a minute. Did you get engaged?
Did you propose to your girlfriend? I was the other muppet.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I got it first, Jane. I proposed to January then
and they may and as bethrows Tracy, they got engaged
a couple of weeks down.

Speaker 24 (01:11:28):
Both Yes, Hey, now, yeah, you don't need to haggle
if you've got a mom dad with a gold card,
go to JB High five and tell them you want
the biggest TV you can.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Bye, right, I know a few people, not my mum
and dad yet, but I know a few people with
a gold cards, So yeah, get them and go.

Speaker 24 (01:11:45):
Take them and go with a gold card batteries energized.
The batteries that JB High five is about nearly twenty
three dollars for a twenty four pack. I get it
for eleven dollars with a gold card.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
It's not bag. Can I use your gold card?

Speaker 24 (01:11:58):
Of course. You can come and pick me up and
take me to JBI Flight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
We'll go shopping together, we can paget see together.

Speaker 24 (01:12:05):
We will definitely. Yeah, you can buy me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
A cup of coffee then, okay, absolutely, that's not a
bad trick June. But on Hagling, I mean, do you
do you hegel? So you get the discount on the gold cart,
would you then try and get them down a little
bit more?

Speaker 24 (01:12:17):
No, it's pretty disgraceful to do that. I would do
that in India and in the flea market, but not
no supermarket, No, not at all. I don't think you
can do that in New Zealand, not in a pet shop.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
No, why you said, though, Jude, do you think we
just need to be a bit more bulshy? Do you
think we need to be Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:12:36):
Yeah, yeah, not just yeah. I don't think it's very
nice in a supermarket to go and ask for a
cucumber if it's a dollar, give it for fifty cents.
I wouldn't do that. I'd rather not eat it or
go without it, yeah, than begging. Yeah, no, it's not right,
but good luck anyway. Buying a TV. Thank you, you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Yeah, and we'll catch up and I'll grab your gold
cart to get their discount. Thank you very much. June
A one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're ento
hagling and that is something that you do all the time,
how do you actually do it in a polite manner?
I mean, as there must be an to it, and
what do you haggle for? And what do you not
haggle for? There's got to be a line here on
what is appropriate to haggle, And I would argue definitely

(01:13:16):
the supermarket. I mean, if anyone's haggling at the supermarket,
really keen to hear how you do it? If you're
successful haggling at the supermarket, hats off to you. I
mean clearly the farmer's market. But even then, when it
comes to a farmer's market, I'm going to pay the price.
I'm going to pay the full price because it's a
farmer's market. They've created these beautiful goods or food. You know,
they're there for for half a day. They're hoping they

(01:13:38):
can make some sales. So I think, out of the
goodness of my heart, you just pay the full price
to a farmer's market. When you what do you say, though?
Am I a mug for not haggling? And what is
the art to haggling? Oh? One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? It is ten to
three beggary shortly.

Speaker 7 (01:13:54):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
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Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Seven or three. I've tipped into a world I never
knew about when it comes to haggling. Get a load
of this tick. So I worked in retail for a
few years a alcohol store, and we could apply a
couple of particular discounts at our discretion if they bought
a certain quantity of items there was a discount, or
if they were very polite and asked if we could
do a better price, we would apply the discount. If
it was a situation where we could only applied to

(01:14:22):
certain products, nothing that was on special, but that was
a set discount in our system, we were not able
to change the price to whatever we liked. If people
pushed beyond that or came in and said, can you
do this for this drastically reduced price, the ounce would
be no. But in that situation, all I could do
is tell them what the disco accounted price was and
they could decide if that was enough for them. So
people are getting discounts at the alcohol store. Never would

(01:14:45):
have thought to haggle over a bottle of wine. If
you've managed to haggle in your local alcohol store, can
you hear from you, oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty get an.

Speaker 14 (01:14:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:14:55):
Hi, I'll chime be as quick as I possibly can.
We moved back to Queenstown a couple of years ago
and we had to buy a washing machine, a fridge, freezer,
and a new TV. So we went to one part
the store, which is our general favorite, and they didn't
have the whole three. So we went to another store
and unfortunately had to deal with staff that didn't speak

(01:15:20):
terribly good English. But however, we wanted the Samsung TV
and he said he couldn't sell us that because it
was the display model. That we could have the Panasonic TV,
and so in the end we took that and we
ordered the fridge and the washing machine dryer combination, and

(01:15:43):
he said, if you come back tonight, I give you
extra discount. So naturally we went back that night and
to get the extra discount, which didn't actually happen. So
the next day we went back to settle up and
I flat refused to have a delivery charge of I

(01:16:04):
think it was seventy five dollars to deliver it to
the house. I said, no, we're spending a few thousand
dollars here. You can deliver it for nothing, and.

Speaker 10 (01:16:13):
So that worked.

Speaker 15 (01:16:14):
That worked.

Speaker 25 (01:16:15):
So that was the Friday, and we got the TV
installed and blah blah blah. On the Monday morning, we
arrived home after doing some grocery shopping and he was
the Samsung TV on the doorsteps going outside, so that

(01:16:36):
was okay. So we took it back later that day
and said, well, you know, we'd already bought the other
one and got it installed in the wall, and so
we took it back. So that was fine. I think
that that was the Monday Tuesday. On the Wednesday, we
came home and found the TV back on our doorsteps.

(01:16:58):
So I rang them up and told them it was there,
and I said, I'm not bringing it back.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
You can come and pick it up.

Speaker 25 (01:17:07):
So after I think it was six weeks, I actually
rung the store manager and said, look, blah blah blah,
we still got the Samsung TV that you said we
couldn't have because and he was so confused, he didn't
have a clue, and he said, I'll come and see
you right away. And I think what happened was when

(01:17:30):
we returned it, they put it in their storeroom and then,
of course and said post or couriers whoever do their delivery,
saw it sitting there with our address on it and
didn't realize it was to go back to wanacross somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Well, good on you, and for being honest. You could
have had a couple of Telly's. They have a great story.
We I'm going to keep this going because there's so
many takes and calls to get to. But if you
are a hegler, what is the art to it? And
what wouldn't you hagel for? In New Zealand? Tell me, oh,
one hundred and eighteen eighty is that number?

Speaker 25 (01:18:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Talk said me, very good afternoon to you. Welcome back
into the show. Six past three, and we had been
talking about haggling. I'm in the market for a new
TV after mine went could put and I never like
spending too much money, but I just can't bring myself
to haggle, even over a TV. In fact, that's not true.
I would haggle over a car. Haggled over the last
car that we bought. But that is kind of the
line for me, and I always thought as a culture,

(01:18:34):
kiwis tend to just pay what the prices on the
ticket as opposed to contesting a price. But I'm learning
a lot over the last half hour, and I'm sure
I'll learn a lot more that Apparently a lot of
people love haggling out there and it doesn't really matter
what it is, whether it's pet food, whether it's booze
at the alcohol store, and certainly a TV, but maybe
even kitchenware. I mean, would you really go into Brisco's

(01:18:57):
and start haggling on the price of your kitchen? Were?
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call now? Someone texting a little bit earlier and said,
if you want the art of haggling, look at the
Monty pythe and clip from the Life of Brian and
here there does.

Speaker 9 (01:19:14):
How much?

Speaker 14 (01:19:14):
Quick?

Speaker 25 (01:19:15):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:19:16):
It's a wife?

Speaker 26 (01:19:17):
Oh twenty?

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Shekels?

Speaker 26 (01:19:19):
Right, what they were? Wait a minute, Well, we we're
supposed to haggle. No, I've got to get what do
you mean? No, no, no, I haven't got time. I
give you back?

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
Then?

Speaker 11 (01:19:29):
No, no, no, I just paid you.

Speaker 26 (01:19:31):
Yeah, this bloke bone angle road agle, All right do
we have to he look, I want twenty for that.

Speaker 9 (01:19:38):
I just give you.

Speaker 26 (01:19:39):
Now are you telling me that's not worth twenty? Shekels?

Speaker 7 (01:19:41):
So look at it?

Speaker 26 (01:19:42):
Feel a quality that's not on your goat? All right,
I'll give you nineteen then, no, no, no, come on,
do it properly? What haggle properly? This isn't worth nineteen.

Speaker 11 (01:19:50):
You just said it was worth twenty.

Speaker 26 (01:19:51):
Oh dear, oh dear, come on, haggle. All right, I'll
give you ten. That's more like it. Ten Are you
trying to insult me? Me with a poor dying grandmother?

Speaker 22 (01:20:01):
Ten?

Speaker 21 (01:20:01):
All right, I'll give you eleven.

Speaker 26 (01:20:03):
Now you're getting it eleven? Did I hear you right? Eleven?
This cost me twelve? You want to ruin me seventeen? No, no, no, no,
seventeen eighteen no, no, you're going to fourteen. Now I'll
give you fourteen. Fourteen? Are you joking? That's what you
told me to say? Oh, tell me what to say?
Please offer me fourteen.

Speaker 7 (01:20:23):
I'll give you fourteen.

Speaker 26 (01:20:24):
He's offering me fourteen for this fifteen seventeen my last word.
I won't take a penny less or strike me day
fifteen done?

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
So the hell's done? Is there? How haggling has done
in New Zealand? Is that ring true for you?

Speaker 20 (01:20:36):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
One hundred and eighty eighteen eighty is number to call?
Get a simon?

Speaker 22 (01:20:41):
Hi, I KIW don't know the hagel. I've better check
my passport because I haggle on anything sizeable that I buy,
basically like I have a customers that haggle me as well,
and you respect that so long as it's done in
the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
What's the right way, simon? What would be the only line?

Speaker 22 (01:21:03):
And I've done it with someone. If I'm going in
to buy one unit, then I don't really expect to
have any leverage to haggle much. But if I'm buying
two or three or something, then I expect to not
pay the price that you pay for one unit. But
if you're looking at it, okay, you're not going to
go and buy multiple TVs bother you. I'd look around

(01:21:26):
my house and go my microwaves too, for renewing in
about six months or so. You go in there and hagle.
If you're buying two items, it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Smart way to look at it that you go in
for the multi the multi unit discount.

Speaker 22 (01:21:40):
Well, I've had that with customers with me that they've said, like,
you know, I want to discount on this, and I go, well,
I can't really discount that, but if you were to
buy three of them off me, then I can knock
it down to this price. And I'm more feeling them out,
like they might need three within the year of whatever
it is, and I might be doing them with that

(01:22:01):
price and it's it's more like I went into a
major retailer and I was getting out a whole kitchen.
We're talking and dishwasher, microwave, other than and the person
would not budge, and I just ended up walking out
of there. If I was just buying a dishwasher, then okay,
fair enough. But I'm pitching out a whole pitch. And

(01:22:21):
if you're making twenty percent on everything, I'm happy for
you to make about fifteen percent if I'm buying multiple items.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Right, so you hold firm on that sign. And if
they can't meet you and give you a bit of
a discount you're buying multiple items, you just say, okay,
I'll take my business elsewhere.

Speaker 22 (01:22:37):
Oh pretty much, And I might shop around and find out, oh,
they are the best price. But someone who just says
we're the best price, we have low prices, that is
not an angle to use from the get go. I
will always walk out of your shop and go find
out if you are the best price.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
So what about my situation. Then I just need a TV.
Maybe I can look around and see if I can
check a microwave in there as well. That's a fair point.
But if I'm just looking at a TV and I've
seen something that's already on special. I mean, can I
really go into that store and say, I like this TV?
I know it's on is bat I think you can
knock a couple of hundred bucks off?

Speaker 22 (01:23:12):
No, you can't really with one unit, but you do
have an angle of like going in there, You're looking
at your medium range TV and you go, well, I'll
tell you what this is what I came in for.
I came in for a forty inch TV, and this
and this and this, but I'm looking at that fifty
two inch over there. Now, if you can do me
a deal on that? My budget was this for the
forty inch. I'm willing to extend my budget a bit,

(01:23:34):
but I want I want to discount on that fifty
two inch.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Yeah. Good, good on you, Simon. I mean, is there
a line for you? You talk about the big items, which
is fair enough, but would you haggle over you know,
you go into the liquor store and you want to
bottle the gym? Would you haggle over that?

Speaker 9 (01:23:50):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:23:50):
I'm always desperate when I go into the liquor store,
so I'm paying.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
The price me too, mate, me So good to hear
from you, Simon, Thank you very much. Are you with Simon?
I at one hundred and eighty ten eighty. I'm just
looking to relist here, and I've been writing it down
over the last forty minutes. So here's where I'm at
when it comes to what is okay to haggle for TV? Yes,
in certain circumstances, if it's already discounted, maybe not white
we're in general yes, booze, No, that's too far. That's

(01:24:17):
the line. I don't think you can walk into a
liquor store and say, hey, is that the best price
you could do? But prove me wrong. Groceries, no kitchen,
where this might be controversial, I reckon that's no as well.
I don't think can you really walk into Briscoes and
pick up some plates and some cutlery and say, is
this really the best price you could do? What do
you reckon pet food as well? There's a lot of

(01:24:37):
people coming through on pet food animtes. Can you really
walk in there and say, hey, look, old mate across
the road is doing it for twenty percent less unless
you offer me that. I walking out the door. If
that's you tell me, oh eight one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is thirteen past three.
US talk sa'd be afternoons. It is sixteen past three
and we're talking about haggling. Is that the done thing

(01:24:59):
in New Zealand? Do you haggle on pretty much everything?
Tell me I adde hundred eighty ten eighty a couple
of texts before we go back to your calls. This
one says Nope. My partner will Ministry of Health and
he can haggle at any of those major stores. He
has a real knack for it. This one says, just say, hey,
do you know who I am? For half priced TV,
I'll mention your name on the radio. Use your power.

(01:25:21):
I think they'd make me pay more if I did that.
This one says Hobby and I used to run a
business refurbishing pre loved lounge suites, professional cleaning and offering
free delivery anywhere across Auckland and Hamilton. There was always
one demographic that would hit us with what's your last price,
even though our lounge suites were already very fairly priced.

(01:25:41):
Eventually I got so sick of being haggled at every
step that we actually increased the prices by five hundred dollars,
and honestly, we ended up selling more lounge suites at
a higher price and hardly had to discount from there.
Go figure. Sometimes people genuinely perceive a higher price as
meaning there's more value behind the product, even when the
cheaper price was already an absolute bargain. So that's the

(01:26:04):
other side of things, retailers. How do you feel about
haggling and do you get a lot of it? Tell
me nine nine two is that text number. Let's go
back to the phones and we're a check with Blake.
You know Blake.

Speaker 23 (01:26:16):
How's the game?

Speaker 18 (01:26:17):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Mate? Are you a hegler? I for sure?

Speaker 23 (01:26:21):
So I lend the art. When I was quite young,
probably about five years old, I used to go to
quite a lot of garage house a Finana and she
told me how to heckle. She wanted a pop plant
and had about twenty dollars on and I had a
five dollar notes and I went in there and she said,
I tried to get there for five dollars, They're only
going to say no. So I caused the confidence up

(01:26:42):
to use that and use that to I. So I
go to quite a lot of places and dupially get
a discount, and what's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
The art to it, Blake, how do you open up
that line of negotiation?

Speaker 23 (01:26:56):
Well, the first thing I do is, like the last
caller said, is multiple items, simply house. So I went
into Harvey normand a couple of times brought a few
items and I started to teculing, was saying, I don't
work with nine an we take all the nines away
and just round it to the nearest number and let's
work from there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
And how is that always success late most of the time.

Speaker 23 (01:27:21):
Yeah, So I turned around and the guy was sort
of gave me a bit of a pney lock and
all the rest of it, and it didn't really moves
tune back. So I said, oh, look, I'll carry on
looking around. And this other chat approached me and why
I did the same negotiation, and possibly he wanted his
commission a little bit more than the other fellow. So
the other guy just had a bit of a sad

(01:27:41):
face when I walked out with all the fight, and
I was the one one for both of us. But
I've worked it the Ministry of Justice as well. When
I was younger, I had got a lot of fines
and you know, I rung them up and I had
a set of finance behind me, and I was willing
to pay all my fines up right, but I didn't
want to pay all the fees and all the rest
of it. So I agotiated the fees off of it,

(01:28:03):
and I went in there day to pay it all off.
So it does work.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Yeah, So what what's the most or what's the average
that you knock off the price? Blake? Are we talking
ten percent more?

Speaker 12 (01:28:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:28:15):
I've I've taking off a good three hundred dollars on
a carr amount of prices. I feel like what by
appliance is if you were to buy a TV and that,
then you would probably look at getting the search protector
or something like that, or HDMI cable. There's a lot
of working that they could go around that. Because you're
obviously buying more products, it's better commission for them as well.

(01:28:38):
I've got a little bit more room to play around
with my feel Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
You wouldn't haggle the like like c of Brisco's or
you know the warehouse, would you, Blake?

Speaker 23 (01:28:48):
No, I don't feel like I would heckle there, but
I have done as a liquor store, but I don't
sort of, I sort of don't. I don't agree with
the prices and what not, but I do turn around
and ask for lest they turn around and if I've
got any three gifts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
For me free gifts, Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:29:07):
Because they do promotion and all the rest of it.
They might get a bottle opener, or you might get
a glass or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Yeah, not a bad way to do it, Blake. What
was the best free gift you got?

Speaker 23 (01:29:18):
Oh? Yeah, I've gone quite a bit of a Jack
Daniels fand myself, so quite a few glasses. Have got
a nice couple of tumblers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
That's oh, that's yeah, not not a bad we free
gift there. Thank you very much for that, Blake. Taking
more of your calls one hundred and eighty ten eighty
if you are into Haglin And what's the best discount
you've got? Now? A significant story has just come through
on the Herald of lockdown is underway at Sylvia Park
mall in Auckland's Mount Wellington. A moll staff member told

(01:29:50):
the hero they were in lockdown and a shop worker's head.
Police armed with a long rifles in the area. So
a significant event underway at Sylvia Park in Mount Wellington
and on the line. We've got Leo. Leo, you were
at Sylvia Park.

Speaker 19 (01:30:05):
Yeah, is just in Sylvia Park, walking through the mall
and suddenly I thought it's a car back farming, but
then it was five or six shots out loud, and
so I went, okay, that's not a car back farming.
And then I heard the helicopter overhead, and then I
heard the simens going in. Half a dozen police cars

(01:30:27):
did the driving at a million miles an hour down
the back. So I got walked out of the mall
towards the train station and I'm on the train now.
So this mad.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
Blackout because we're going through a tunnel.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
But anyway, so.

Speaker 19 (01:30:40):
I just got onto the platform and then a train
pulled in and I just said to everybody, there's an
active shoot at the mall.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
So I wouldn't go over there if I were you.
And as I was.

Speaker 19 (01:30:50):
Walking out of the mall and people were walking in,
I just said, guys, there's an active shooter situation going.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
On, so don't go to the mall.

Speaker 19 (01:30:58):
So I told that first train, and then I was
going to tell the next train, and then I thought,
you know, it will go out on the radio and
on the news. I am hoping, so it's not my job.
I would have thought that the the you know, somebody
from the that they've got other things to do.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Obviously, absolutely, and we'll find out more on this incident
as the afternoon Progressive, Leo. But really appreciate you you
calling through. We're just just to confirm was that inside
the mall that you heard heard whatever?

Speaker 19 (01:31:27):
It was, just I know I heard the gunshots after
five or six gunshots.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
It could have been right outside.

Speaker 19 (01:31:37):
But I mean on the Mount Wellington Highway side of
the mall, and I just got out of there as
fast as I could and just stopped anybody going in
and saying, guys, as an act to you to just
just turn around and go back the other way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Did you see other more goers flee them all at
their stage, Leo.

Speaker 19 (01:31:56):
They weren't running out, but it's like I was just
stopping anybody going in there, just to you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Know the last thing. I mean, well, I need to get.

Speaker 19 (01:32:04):
A new pair of shoes that best desperately. Yeah, So
it was just safety and distance is the best thing
to have in that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
It certainly is, Leo. You did a great thing there,
and thankfully you're okay. And hopefully the other people at
the mall are okay as well. If you our near
Sylvia Parker, you were there during this incident, give us
a call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The latest information
we've got from our newsroom is that our police swarming
to Auckland. Sylvia Parker. Witness says about nineteen police vehicles.

(01:32:35):
We're streaming down the motorway towards the shopping center just
after three o'clock. Please say the incidents no longer ongoing,
but can't provide any more information currently, so if you
know more, please give us a call OH eight hundred
eighty ten eighty or text us through nine to nine two.
It is twenty four past three back in a few moments.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Afternoon jud is twenty six pass three. We're going to
get back to our discussion about haggling very shortly, but
there is a significant incident that has happened at Sylvia
Park in Auckland's Mount Wellington. The latest we have from
our newsroom is that a lockdown is underway. A more
staff member told are and z they were in lockdown.
A shop worker said are police armed with long rifles

(01:33:24):
in the area, and a witness has reported that the
Armed Defenders squad or nineteen police vehicles were streaming down
the motorway towards the shopping center just after three o'clock.
Police do say the incident's no longer ongoing, but can't
provide any more information currently. So if you know more,
if you were there at the mall, oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call neck

(01:33:46):
Were you at Sylvia Park? Were you.

Speaker 27 (01:33:49):
I wasn't inside the mall, but I was driving through
the complex, just dotting a bit of a cut through
to get back onto the motorway. And yeah, cops everywhere
on the Mount Wellington Highway. Sort of in the middle
park where you want to turn in, there appeared to
be a sort of hatchback looking car that looked like
had been crashed into the middle island. And I don't

(01:34:10):
know if that's got anything to do with the active
shooter or not, but you could probably put the two
and two together.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Yes, And I will just say Nick that you know
Leo said it was an active shooter and there was
a text as well, but we can't confirm that yet.
The newsroom is still talking to police. But clearly a significant,
a significant incident. So you saw a car that was
taken out on the side of the road as you're
driving past.

Speaker 27 (01:34:34):
Yeah, it was right in the middle of the island
so that we're pulling into the mall, and it looked
like it had been hit by something or hit the
island or what. It wasn't badly based up, but yet
it didn't look too.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Flash Yeah, and there were police surrounding that vehicle.

Speaker 27 (01:34:50):
Oh definitely, there was, Yeah, millions of police everywhere.

Speaker 22 (01:34:53):
Guns.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Yeah, Okay, Nick, thank you very much for your intel.
If you are near Mount Wellington or you were in
Sylvia Park this afternoon after three o'clock, oh eight, one
hundred and eighty, ten eighty, what was the situation? What
happened inside that more nine two nine two. If you
want to send a text as well, Right, we're going
to get to the headlines. We're going to take more
of your calls on haggling very shortly twenty eight past three.

(01:35:17):
And if you want to jump in on the haggling discussion, boy,
all means oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. But there'll be more on
this incident at Sylvia Park in the headlines with Raylen
and certainly more as the afternoon progresses. Right Begfory shortly.
Headlines coming up.

Speaker 12 (01:35:34):
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are swarming Auckland's Sylvia Park following reports of gunshots. A
witness says about nineteen police vehicles were streaming down the
motorway towards the shopping center after three. Another witness, Leo,

(01:35:55):
told Tyler Adams, he was walking through the mall when
he heard what he thought was a car backfiring.

Speaker 19 (01:36:01):
But then it was five or six shots out loud,
and then I heard the helicopter over overhead, and then
I heard the Simons.

Speaker 12 (01:36:10):
Please say the incidents no longer ongoing, but can't provide
information at the moment. Cabinet Minister Ericus Stanford is denying
she has leadership ambitions. Speculations continued. The senior National MP
was planning to challenge Chris Luxon at yesterday's urgent caucus meeting.
Multiple Fanga pad Our Peninsula businesses have been forced to

(01:36:32):
close after being inundated with sewage from a rain damage
pump station. In updating our sexual violence laws, affirmative consent
is simpler than critics suggest. You can see the full
column at enzidherld dot co dot nz. Mack to matt
Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and just repeating the latest
from that incident at Sylvia Park in Mount Wellington in Auckland,
So is Raeli mentioned unpolice as forming Auckland Sylvia Park
following reports of gunshots. An earlier witness set About nineteen
police vehicles were streaming down the motorway towards a the
shopping center just after three o'clock. We also heard from
Leo not long ago, who was inside the mall and

(01:37:12):
heard what he thought was a car backfiring, but it
happened multiple times. At that point he realized it was
highly likely gunshots. ED was also in Sylvia Park area
at the time.

Speaker 14 (01:37:23):
Get a ed, Okay, yeah, I was traveling back from
work and then just under the bridge they're sort of
crossing over by Torpedo seven, I saw a little Suzuki Swift.
White Zuki Swift actually jumped sort of paving like right
next to us, waiting in the que show actually move on.
And with that, there's quite a couple of number of

(01:37:46):
police cars also just pulling in and the dark units
were dispatched, and I saw police officers of raffles raffles
getting out, and shortly after that also heard a couple
of shots just going off right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
And did you see anybody get out of that white
Suzuki Swift?

Speaker 14 (01:38:05):
And as it pulled on the pavement, I looked my
reven mirror and I actually or someone jumping and sort
of running across the.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Road and no weapon on them that you could see it.

Speaker 14 (01:38:15):
Oh, I know, no weapon on them. I could see
it was just like I'm saying, you know, just sort
of looking at rear y mirror and try and see
what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Right. Was there the chopper in the sky?

Speaker 14 (01:38:24):
Yeah, the chopper was in the sky hovering around and yeah,
even all the way home, I could you have the chopper?

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Wow? So did the police take out that vehicle? The
vehicle took itself out?

Speaker 14 (01:38:34):
No vehicle took itself out to jump the curb and
the inside so it was quite high in a small
vehicle and you could actually hear the bottom of the
vehicle sort of smashing onto it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Wow, did it take out any other vehicles?

Speaker 14 (01:38:47):
No, No, it didn't take out any vehicles. There was
a couple of cop cars also just jumping on the
middle vergs, the center center verge, and yeah, so and
then the cops is sort of pulled in all over
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
How many how many police vehicles do you think were.

Speaker 17 (01:39:03):
There at that stage?

Speaker 14 (01:39:05):
I think it was maybe like eight or nine, But
traveling back there was easily about about another ten vehicles
coming past, and I saw some SUVs and for force
also coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Far out here. That is a significant event and glad
you were safe. But thank you very much for giving
us a call and telling us what you saw. If
you were in Sylvia Park after three o'clock, give us
a call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Can you
give us any more information about this incident that has
happened just after three o'clock? And repeating what we know
so far from police, they say the incident's no longer ongoing,

(01:39:39):
which is a good thing, but they can't provide any
more information currently. So if you were in that vicinity
or you're in the mall, itself. Nine two nine two
is the text and oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number. And this text from Jolbeck backs
up what Ed just told us. I saw a white
Suzuki Swift racing down the main road pass brisk goes

(01:39:59):
towards the mall, followed by twenty cop cars and the helicopters.
If you know more, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call A nine two nine to
two is the text number. If any more information comes
to hands, you will hear it here first on News
Talk ZB. But in the meantime we will go back
to our discussion on haggling. If you are a hegler,
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

(01:40:20):
to call. Peter, you are a bit of a haggler
when it comes to the big box retailers.

Speaker 15 (01:40:26):
Actually no, I'm speaking on behalf of the big box retailers.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Oh good, good, perfect, it's one and.

Speaker 15 (01:40:33):
First and almost it's not always it symbol. If you
are a big box retailer and they're offering one of
those big long interest free deals, start can't give the discount.
You're not only to your case discount on an interest
free deal essentially against the law right after the big
box retailer I was wishing for. If you've got done
for that, you will find up to ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Is that right? So why is that rule of.

Speaker 15 (01:40:56):
Place a punch in the customer? Because the Tommers commissioners
determined that the difference between a cash deal and an
interest free deal as fast as interest that's false advertising.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Interesting, I can see how they came to that canclusion.

Speaker 15 (01:41:09):
You can't actually do it? Yeah, there's bobox retailers have you,
we can somebody do an interest free deal. And you've
seen the same to you, like turning the bucks cheaper.
I've seen it for turning the bucks cheaper? Can you
do that? The answers, I can do their price, their deal.
I'm not doing their price.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
At mind, right. Yeah. So as a big box retailer,
I mean, does it do you hit in a little
bit that there's there's a nice way to haggle and
to ask and then there is the wrong way clearly?
Or you know how many times a day or week
would you get people demanding discounts?

Speaker 21 (01:41:42):
Uh?

Speaker 28 (01:41:44):
Right?

Speaker 15 (01:41:45):
Every day? Every day you get people coming in and
saying or you know, you know, I can get a
bit of deal down the road or what have you.
It's you know, I've did some people walking in and say, hey,
can you mix the price of this shot down the
road and we're already Ever does all the stuff turning
dollars cheaper? You know, it's just a kneejerk reaction for
a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Is that frustrating?

Speaker 15 (01:42:09):
Yeah, you know, it's like they're not actually looking at
the deal before they leap into the haggling process. It's like,
there's hard why to do it, whether I'm actually looking
at the value on the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
It's fascinating, Peter, because I just thought for most Kiwis,
it's not really part of our culture haggling. You know,
I would have thought most people would feel that sometimes
it is impolite or you know, you can always ask.
But as soon as I say, look, sorry, that's the
best deal. But then it seems like a lot of
people don't take that for an answer. They'll say, you know,
walk out the door, or continue to try and get

(01:42:40):
something out of it. Is that your experience, Well, let's
put it this way.

Speaker 15 (01:42:43):
It's certainly more prevalent in some groups than others. I
don't want to go into that discussion.

Speaker 18 (01:42:50):
But.

Speaker 15 (01:42:52):
There I say. Some of it's definitely cultural. I think
a lot of the typical newslanders you believe in the
old fair go and tend to not rock the boat
too much. I mean, it's all right to ask, but
sometimes the answer has to be known, and when you
explain the reasons why, a lot of people will just go, oh, yep,

(01:43:13):
that's fine, that's fair enough. But yeah, yeah, I say,
it's not always so easy. My advice is to do
your research. My advice is, if you're looking at a
med TV, have a look at websites like price buy
and see where the best dealers for the TV interested
in and start from there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Yeap what a lot of people are saying, I mean,
that's the price matching. I think aspect right Peter, which
is slightly different to Hagley. Nothing wrong with going online,
and I quite often do to see where the best
price is. But then see, even if I find the
best price and it's at a particular retailer, it's kind
of out of my way. Then I go to the
next available retailer close to me and say, hey, these
guys are doing it for this price. I still feel

(01:43:52):
a bit a bit cringey about that, Peter. You know,
I feel that to me and people are calling me
a mug, but I almost feel a little bit like
that's that's on the rude side to say, hey, well
these guys are doing it, why can't you. I mean,
if I really want that price, I've got to go
drive out to the North Shore to get it.

Speaker 15 (01:44:09):
Well, my way of looking at things is that it
never hits to ask, but sometimes you've got to be
a little bit more reasonable and intommodating about, you know,
understanding what the retailer can give as opposed to what
you might want to get.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Good to get that view on it, Peter. So, Peter
works for the big box, some big box retailers and mentioned,
you know there is some legislation when it comes to
the interest free deals that they can't legally offer the discount.
But you can see the other side of it, and
this is from the other side of it as well.
You know, Tilett, we have a small local butcher shop
and many people ask for a discount every day, but

(01:44:44):
they would never ask the same of the supermarket. Makes
my blood boil. Any discount will come out of wages
or rent our profits are nowhere near the big supermarkets,
so does that come into play as well? Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty when it comes to haggling,
is there some things that you wouldn't haggle?

Speaker 9 (01:45:00):
Four?

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Where is the line for you? And some more texts
coming through on this incident at Sylvia Park. If you
were in the mall Sylvia Park more than mountwell Ellington
and Auckland after three o'clock, tell us what you saw. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty, there is a police incident underway.
The police too say the incident's no longer ongoing, but
they can't provide any more information at this stage. So

(01:45:22):
the texts said, I am going past Sylvia Park now.
There is a considerable police presence still here. There is
police tape surrounding most of the car park adjoining Mount
Wellington Highway. There are lots of police cars, lots of
police and a fire engine And this one. I was
eating at Viet flames and heard numerous sirens and then
saw the armed cops. More cops, a fire truck and

(01:45:43):
an ambulance came by. I have just left Sylvia Park.
So if you've been in the area oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number two call? It
is nineteen to four.

Speaker 7 (01:45:53):
Have a chat with the lads.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler
Adams afternoons news talk.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Sa'd be very good afternoons you It is sixteen two four,
So I have been talking about haggling, but also we
are giving you the latest on this incident at Sylvia
Park and Mount Wellington. So the latest information we have
is that our police have rushed to Auckland Sylvia Park
as witnesses reported sounds of gunshots. Witness said he heard

(01:46:20):
five or six shots, which he initially thought was a
car backfiring, and more than a dozen police vehicles were
seen streaming down the motorway towards the shopping center just
after three o'clocks. So police at the stage say the
incident is no longer ongoing, but are yet to provide
any further information. So if you were in the mall
after three o'clock, if you've been in the vicinity O
eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty, what did you see, Helena,

(01:46:44):
I believe you've just been to Sylvia Park.

Speaker 28 (01:46:47):
Yes, I've just left, and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
What was the situation when you arrived? Was already locked
down when you turned up?

Speaker 28 (01:46:55):
Now, No, I was there for a few hours. I
was actually looking for an Alvit Brennans and me event Tomorrownight,
which I did not get it because I had to leave.
But yeah, as I was leaving, I went to actually
just stop in at Glasses to get my daughter a sweater,
and I'm like, there, it was all closed up, but
there was heaps of people in there, and so I

(01:47:15):
smelt the lady. I'm like, what's going on? And then
she's like, there's a shooter. There's a shooter. And I'm like, oh, great,
Like can I come in? And she's like no, like
we can't open it anymore. So I'm like, well, that's fabulous.
And so all these shops are just like closing up,
and I wouldn't say it was chaos, but certainly a

(01:47:38):
few worried faces around, like you just kind of don't
expect that sort of thing to happen in New Zealand,
I suppose. But then, yeah, so I didn't know whether
this person's like out around like shooting or what. So
I just had to go out to the car park
and then But interestingly enough, I just heard on the
radio before that they said it was like a white
Suzuki Swift or something involved. But when I went to

(01:48:01):
my car, I was talking to my husband and I'm like,
someone's dinged my car and it's this white straight mark
over the left hand side of my vehicle. So I'm
not sure if that has anything to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
But potentially, I mean that is you know, that's a
double whamy for you, Helena, that you've had your card damage,
and whether it was part of this incident or not
or not. But as we've heard from other witnesses, there
was that white Suzuki Swift that was being chased by
the police. So did you yourself hear any gunshots when
you're in there?

Speaker 28 (01:48:36):
No, I didn't, actually, so I would have been always
up in sort of the country road end, and I
think it was up the other end. I had been
up that end I started. Actually I actually originally parked
my car up at Hackins Eve and did some shopping
in there first and then moved my car to the
other side. But yes, I guess I was probably at

(01:48:57):
the at the better end when it happened. But but yeah,
there's a lot of police guards there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
I'll tell you, terrifying experience to have to witness, Hilena.
As you say, it's not something we expect here in
New Zealand. And I can imagine the shop attendants and
other people in there would have been terrified as well.
So well, I'm sorry you couldn't get the bits and
pieces you needed for tomorrow night. Yeah, I mean hopefully
you get sorted before then.

Speaker 28 (01:49:23):
Yeah, that's the least to my worries.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Exactly, exactly. Well, hopefully we'll see you tomorrow night, Helene.
And thank you very much for giving us a bit
of a heads up on what happened inside Sylvia Park.
If you were at Sylvia Park yourself, Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty, what can you tell us, Martin?
How are you okay?

Speaker 4 (01:49:41):
Good mate?

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
And were you yeah? Good good? And you've got some information.

Speaker 15 (01:49:46):
Well, we were in the mill.

Speaker 29 (01:49:50):
When you know the lockdown began. We were we were
trying to walk to one end of the mile and
suddenly everybody stopped and we could see policemen further down,
many of whom were holding automatic weapons. Anyway, we managed
to make our way outside the maut and and got

(01:50:11):
towards the car park, and then we found out from
the police officers that were out there that the whole
car park area is in complete lockdown. So we're now
sitting in the car waiting for permission to leave, and
I have a policeman here with me at the window
right now. It's just on there with the radio. Actually
they you know, they're asking us to update on what's

(01:50:32):
going on, So do you have any update for us
on when we might be able to leave the car park?

Speaker 18 (01:50:37):
But at the moment is going to say, yeah, we'll
just be too many, too many chiefs op Indians, but
we'll just be directed hearing them from the vehicles, just
a vacate and I mean you can just wait on
the boatside over there so you get an update. But

(01:50:59):
at the moment, yeah, there's the season that we locked
off for a while, right.

Speaker 29 (01:51:04):
Are you saying that we're not allowed to sit in
our car and at the moment, so we have to
leave the car and go to the main road area.
All right, okay, give me a minute, right, thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Martin, Thank you very much. From there. So that was
that was from one of the police officers. So you're
just repeating that that they said that that part of
the car park is still locked down for yourself, But
can you leave? You just can't take your car.

Speaker 29 (01:51:30):
Out, That's right, Yeah, that's what I understand. Yeah, but
of course you know we live far away, so leaving
the car isn't really much of an option for us.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
Oh, you absolutely need you car on hundred percent. So
when you were in the mall, you saw people fleeing.
Did you hear anything during that commotion?

Speaker 4 (01:51:47):
No?

Speaker 29 (01:51:48):
No, the gunshots that apparently have been reported by people
must have occurred before we.

Speaker 18 (01:51:54):
Arrived at the part of.

Speaker 29 (01:51:55):
The male where people were just backed up. I wouldn't
say people were exactly fleeing away, but we couldn't go
any further because a crowd had gathered and obviously they
were being directed by some police not to go any further.
And then as we looked further down, we could see
the armed police there. So we came out by a
side door which we were quite close to, and that

(01:52:18):
was very close to the car park where our vehicle was.
So we just we made our way to the car
park and we encountered a couple of policemen on the way,
all of them armed. So many police cars I kind
of Lost count I must have seen at least more
than twenty police cars just in the area where we
were moving towards the car park, and then since that

(01:52:42):
time we got in the car and they then proceeded
to completely seal off all the car parks with that
wide police emergency tape. Yeah, so the policeman's directing us
to leave the car now, So I'm going to have to.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Leave you all right, man, and thank you very much
for giving us a call and giving us some information there.
So you've heard it from Marson. So there is still
a scene lockdown in multiple parts of Sylvia Park, particularly
Maran and his wife had parked up. It is a
crime scene, as the police officer mentioned to Martin. So
if you are there, what is the situation? Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty If you're inside that more,

(01:53:18):
what did you hear? And can you give us more
detail on this incident that has unfolded at Sylvia Park
and Mount Wellington. Just after three o'clock it is nine
minutes to four. We'll be back in a few moments.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
News Talks ed B. It is six two four, so
just bringing you up to speed about this incident at
Sylvia Park and Mount Wellington in Auckland. Latest reports from
The Herald. A shop worker told The Herald they are
going home for the day. Is the area outside this
store has now been cordoned off as an active crime scene.
Photo show police officers holding up a white sheet inside

(01:53:58):
the cordoned off area. Another witness said over twenty police
cars swarm the car park between the food alley and
the kmart entrance and police cordon tape was put up
around the middle of that car park. Sirens and lights
were everywhere and the comps all had guns, according to
that particular witness. And as we've heard over the last
forty minutes, many witnesses who were in the area to

(01:54:20):
this very program talked about the number of armed police
officers and vehicles they saw, particularly our white Suzuki Swift
that crashed outside of the mall after being chased by
around about twenty police cars in the police helicopter as well,
and then we heard of course about potential gunshots inside

(01:54:41):
the mall earlier as well. Originally thought it was a
car backfiring, but heard four or five bangs which sounded
like gunfire. So there'll be plenty more on that as
the afternoon progresses. After four with Heather, she is going
to have a chat about the South Island. It's booming,
but they are missing out on their fair share of
the roading funding. So Heather, we'll speak to an Otago

(01:55:03):
councilor who says the South needs more love. Thank you
very much. Teevron called and contributed to today's show. Stay
safe out there, look after yourself, and we will see
you back here safe and sound tomorrow at midday. Have
a great rest of your Thursday evening.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
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