Full Show Podcast: 13 July 2026

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 13th of July 2026, to start, a focus on this country's habit of paying way to much for infrastructure.

Then, as the political polls continue to roll we discuss the idea or lowering - or alternatively raising - the 5 percent voting threshold for representation in Parliament.

And finally a chat about tattoos - if you haven’t got one already, why?

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends, and
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
A very good afternoons. You welcome into the program. Great
to have your company on this Monday afternoon. I hope
you had a fantastic long weekend.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Matt Hey, Hello, Tyler Adams. Great to have you back
in the studio. I understand you had a fantastic time
in the cold and attempting to ski, etc. Now mostly
went well when you're away. But how do I put this?
I bought some shame on Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh no, right at the very end, it was going
so well for you, mate, Yeah, right at the very end,
just as just as I signed.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Off right on Friday. Okay, for the long weekend, and look,
just play the audio to front foot things.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Okay, what was Matt Heath eating in the studio before
I came in? Were you aware that he was eating something?
He was eating something that Hold on, let me just
pick some of this up.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Shall I call hosts to get the vacuumite this is.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Don't even tell him, don't tell him, he will bust.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
A foo foo valvem.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
He's not even until Monday and he already start flipping
out it. It looks a little bit like rolled oats,
like like like it could have been a kind of
bland white rolled oat muslely bar. Or he might have
just been needing a bowl of roll. But he spilled
a lot of it, so not a lot of it
made it into his mouth. I've had to shake out

(01:48):
the keyboard. Do you know when you get to the
when you have a shared keyboard situation. I don't know
how HOSK tolerates sharing keyboards with the rest of us.
You have to do the old tip it upside down,
then give it a good wipe. There is more mess
here than my nineteen month old makes when she's sitting
at the high chair. So I just it's just because
I'm I'm just I'm up to here with everything today

(02:11):
and he's tipped me.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
No there he is. What was it?

Speaker 4 (02:14):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's you're a peg, by the way, What was it?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
What is this disgusting stuff all over the desk disgusting
stuff all over there, and that's.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Like, look at it.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
Look how far away it got from you.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
What did you eat? That can't be me?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Whatever, he's a vacuum.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Before you came, you didn't, I.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Don't know how his girlfriend lives with them.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
A second, he was coming, just coming to clean it up,
so hospital doesn't put you disgusting.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
So a couple of things on that. Yeah, one good
on good on here there for saying don't tell Mike,
because he would have busted a food food as she said,
so you know she had you back there.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
They could have finished Mike off that there was a
couple of specks of rolled oats on the desk that
he can handle.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, yeah, that would have ruined his mental psyche. And
the second one is you know you you did leave
the mess on the actual desk. That would have been
a lot easier to clean up there. Then her just
flicking the keyboard onto the ouk.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I think her emptying out the keyboard might have been
the problem. I think there was a lot of crumbs
in the keyboard. But I actually blame you for this
title because I was doing both of our jobs. There
was a lot of papers on the table, and I
think what happened is early in the show I ad
a music barb and then I put some papers on it, right,
and then what happened was I didn't see those when
I left. But so really I'm the victim.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Here, Yeah, your are the victim.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
I had to deal with that extually, mate. Yeah, you know,
to be called out like that.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
But look so far, things looking pretty clean and tidy
in the studio as we head into the one o'clock hour.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
Any music bars in that bag of yours? Just a couple, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I'll be I'll be getting into a bowl of popcorn
pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Never changed, mate, Right on to today's show. Let's get
into this one. The cost of building things in New Zealand.
So there were a few headlines over the weekend on
cost blowouts for some of our biggest infrastructure projects. Chris Bishop,
the Transport Minister, he's had to rejig the loads of
significance to a phasing pipeline that's effectively kicking some of
those big projects down the road due to out of
control costs and with the countdown on until the opening

(04:17):
of the City Rail Link. Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown has
criticized the extravagant design features.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
On the one hand, it's a good idea to have
that loot rail go through. On the other hand, the
railway station didn't need to be cathedral. We didn't need
to spend so much. Nobody puts a sealing in a supermarket.
We don't put curved walls inside sea, just paint them
black like anybody orse stuff. I mean that it is
too expensive.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
And after all of this, Acting Prime Minister David Seymour,
he was asked about this on Mike Show this morning.

Speaker 8 (04:45):
I think Chris Bishop deserves some credit for this. He's
really the first one and a generation to ask why
does this stuff cost so much? Because what I've discovered
is politicians that the officials and the bureaucrates basically say,
you want this project, here's the cost.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
You guys.

Speaker 8 (05:00):
Job is either to raise more taxes, borrow more money,
or cut something else to pay for it. Where just
accountants basically, whereas Chris has gone back to challenging them.
We did this with the court houses. They told us
it's a quarter of a billion dollars two hundred and
fifty million for a courthouse. We said, hang on, you
could build a really nice home for a million dollars.
How can one court cost two hundred and fifty houses?

(05:21):
We said, hey, guys, you've got one hundred million. You
figure it out. And that's the kind of approach that
we've got to start taking. Don't just take the price
the bureaucrats give us. So if what comes out of
this is we start actually asking why stuff costs so
bloody much in New Zealand, then we might actually be
able to solve this.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
But do you think we will.

Speaker 8 (05:38):
We definitely won't if we don't try, but we might
if we do try it.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
So that was Acting Prime Minister David Seymour on these
costs blowout. It's effectively saying, for a long time, the bureaucrats,
the staff members and ministry go to the ministers and say,
here's the cost. You have to find the money. But
now they're starting to push back and say, hang on
a minute, we're the minister's here. This is the cost.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
You've got to work with and make it work.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
So when they do the cost, they go, well how
much does it cost for this? And they go, well,
it will cost this much. But in that in those
costs you've got large bespoke artworks and part of a
part of the cost. And you've got you know, you've
got feature ceilings, and you know, you've got more entrances
to whatever you're doing than you might need, and you've
got the world's flashes bathrooms or whatever, and so that's

(06:23):
the cost. So you come back and say, well that's
the cost.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
But if the government instead or any any individual or company, domestically, whatever,
you went, I've got this much to spend, what can
we get for it? Then surely they'll go through and
they'll cut things we don't need such that we can
afford it.

Speaker 9 (06:41):
Right.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, isn't that it works? I mean, as I was
saying to you before, Tyler, if you ask real estate
agent how much a house is without any more information
than that, then they'll go the houses two and a
half million, three and a half million dollars. But if
you go to a real estate agent and say, what can
we get for nine hundred thousand dollars, then they know
the area you're looking at, right.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a good analogy. Can I just point
out one of these? So Wayne Brown's obviously had a
crack at the design features. So one of those features
was large skullp cody snails suspended from the ceiling of
the Akarranga Haape station as part of the CRL.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Is that good?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Is that a good use of money? I mean large
sculptural cody snails. Is anyone going to look up on
that roof and say, ah, I wonder what those large
cody snails represent?

Speaker 3 (07:25):
And yet Tikaha Stadium, right, we're all celebrating that. So
that was completed for what's six hundred and fifty five
million odd dollars about twenty six point six million. Look
just so good here it was under the under the
amount that was a budgeted for it, right yep when
they started building it, so we can do it right.
So what did we get right with Tikaha Stadium that

(07:45):
we got totally wrong with the City rail Link? The
total at Eastern Link. I understand that that came under
budget and early the Victoria Park Tunnel in Auckland, I
think that was. But then again, I mean that begs
the question whether the budget was just a massive budget
to start with and it wasn't that much to come
under it. Yeah, because I mean if you look at

(08:06):
look look at the City rail Link expected to be originally,
you know, it varies. When it was first raised it
was one point eight but then about two point eight billion,
and it's coming at five point five billion and a
long time you know, you know late. So that is
pretty crazy, that is I mean, when you look at that,

(08:28):
let's just give them two point eight billion to go
that far over is shocking. And the damage that does
to you know, future generations, to the people that have
to pay it back, that doesn't you know, sure the
City rail Link may do some good, but it's going
to have to do a hell of a lot of
goog to make up for that. Yeah, you know, a
billion dollars is an insane amount of money. When we're

(08:49):
talking about infrastructure, we sometimes just throw around words like
a billion dollars or one hundred million dollars like that
in nothing. That all has to come back in and
that all takes away from other things you could do,
or in the case in Auckland, rates increase to the
point where you know, people aren't spending as much on
a hospital or you know, that doesn't just appear that money.
It shrinks the economy. In other areas you've just.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Been through a big renovation. I've got to say the
place is looking beautiful, but imagine if that happened to you.
So you've got the quotes, you've set your budget on
how much roughly you want to spend, and then about
halfway through say, hang on a minute, it's going to
cost about four times what we originally said. You'd be like, no, no,
I don't have that money sitting there. I cannot pay
for that. You're going to have to figure it away.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
But if they looked at me and thought I was
an endless well, so that was easier to ask for
more money than it was to make the hard decisions.
And that would be the accusation against the City rail
Link because they were asked to try and find some
cuts and they came back. When was that there was
twenty twenty three. I think they were asked to find
some cuts and key we Rail came back and said
we can't find any. And then, as we said before,

(09:53):
we're looking to these massive stadiums, you know, platforms built
for nine car trains, when the one that's just been
finished in Copenhagen has only got three car trains. So
we've got things like eight escalators when Copenhagen's only got one.
Up and one down. Yeah, so it's interesting that they

(10:15):
couldn't find any savings there. But you know, if it
was my personal money, and I knew that it was,
you know, when I talk to a builder, I go, well, no,
I can't have a chandelier above the toilet, that's right.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't have the cash that would be nice. What
do you say on this? Do you think or why
do you think we pay so much for infrastructure here
in New Zealand? And do we have a tendency to
go gold plated when functional is all we need? Tell us, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call,
the nine two, nine twos, the text as seventeen past.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
One, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 2 (10:52):
Be nineteen pass one. So when it comes to infrastructure,
do you think we have a tendency to go gold
plated when functional? Will do?

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Tell us your thoughts, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighties to number to call?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Get a fellas price of infrastructure secure and attitudes of
bureaucrats and public servants reminds me so much of the
great satirical sitcom of the eighties. Yes Minister as relevant
now as was then Hayden. When I was the kids,
my parents were always watching Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister.
It was on TV a lot, and I never understod
what was going on, but they would be. Dad would
be sitting in his and his lazy boy, just cracking up,

(11:26):
and I'll be like, I don't get.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's pretty high level for a kid.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I don't get it. I don't get it, but I
do get it now, Johnny, welcome to the show. How
are you today?

Speaker 9 (11:36):
I'm pretty good. I'm micro managing a project here building
a pathway with some slate at home, and I was
listening to this and I thought, Jeu, this reminds me
of the old mainsield jobs and the multiplex jobs building
car parks and building shopping centers. And I'm just so
happy to have a flatmate at the moment, I'll move
away from the birds for getting excited.

Speaker 10 (11:58):
Bloody hell.

Speaker 9 (12:00):
And so this s brikes you staying with me at
the moment. He's he was managing these projects as a
slite manager.

Speaker 11 (12:07):
He got there by being a junior.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh, Johnny, we might have just lost you there mate. Oh,
I think Johnny's just muted us. Well there we go.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah good, Yeah, must be wake some more year for them.
All right, you might have been attacked by the bird,
but no, you seem to be all right, Johnny, so
we'll let you continue.

Speaker 12 (12:24):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 9 (12:26):
So look, we bought this car parket based their shopping
plex complex at the Mountain, and one of the things
on it was the architect wanted to have these seed
of beams, which were like one hundred and twenty thousand
inches this back in the year two thousand and just
as decorative sort of posts hanging off the side of
the car park. And and so you know there's there's

(12:46):
about ten of them there. So that's sort of cost
of bought on artistic you know, acquiescence if you're like
to the desire of the architectures all part of the contract. Whereas,
like I've done some jobs where people wanted things done
for them and I suggested they stay away from that
because it will cost them a lot more. I bring

(13:09):
in teping agencies to do little jobs, and I'm talking
about construction jobs. But instead of bothered with builders who
are too busy or have massive question marks over what
the cost might be while they've gather in their projections
and adding you a little bit to it. I bypass

(13:29):
all let myself because I can. And I think if
you know people who are retired who just want a
little bit of work, those people are a good market
to build something, and I reckon the government should be
consulting with them. I think we should be talking to
people who've done it all their lives, not people who
are consultants pasty face people in three thousand dollars feeks
from Bond and Bond.

Speaker 10 (13:50):
Oh shit, this one of your advertisers.

Speaker 9 (13:52):
Sorry, but you know, do you get what I mean?

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah? What do you think about? So you know there's
obviously a objective cost to something, but what do you
think about the suggestion of saying, look, we've got one
hundred million dollars to do this. And I'm just making
that man, I'm not talking about any specific project. I'm
just making it as opposed to how much does it cost?
Do you say we've got one hundred million dollars? What

(14:15):
do we get as opposed to we want to do this?
How much does it cost?

Speaker 9 (14:20):
Okay, Seymour, right, So that's pretty heavilier attitude. I think
a lot of people in the industry might welcome that,
who might be accountants, But I think the people who
are the stubby's doing the jobs, who have got to
cost these things, end up bearing the brunt and you know,
the elimination of the middle class, wiping out those people
who It's just beyond me. I think Seymore's just too

(14:42):
neo lib for me. That's just my opinion. I think, yeah,
there's the good examples of people spending two hundred thousand
dollars on building a rainbow pedestrian crossing. There's good examples
of people being over the top and spinning to excess
just to be culturally acceptable. But we need to mitigate

(15:02):
that with some middle ground, some compromise on both sides.
I think that's where you're going to find your foot.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Is there any infrastructure projects in New Zealand that you
think have been done the right way?

Speaker 9 (15:13):
Hub at the moment or heab doing a bypass down there,
and I think Avenue and Taranga just a big new
highways that seems to be going on and on and on.
But from a point of view of someone who's done
that kind of work and tied that steel and poured
that concrete, et cetera. I think they're making tremnous propects.

(15:34):
I think that our local big companies that there used
to be flectuers and Hawkins's hib it used to be
main heal nely nothing so. But it's still got really
good quality work and people are making a living.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
As it possible to do fast, good and cheap. The classic.

Speaker 11 (15:55):
That's Donald Trump talking.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Fars, good and cheap.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yea only Yeah, thanks for you call Johnny, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
So, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you agree with Johnny love your
views and not One to nine and two is the
text number.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Is well plenty coming through.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, so for a couple of days, Tyler, I'm going
to be kind of jumping in there and trying to
say the time, because with your way last week, I
was during the time you were hot on the Edmond,
I've got to say so it's just about to jump
in there, so I'll just have to step back and
let you tell the time. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Twenty five past one. How's that.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Feelers focused informed? It's the mic Hosking breakfast my head.

Speaker 13 (16:32):
Minister acting Foreign Minster, Tom McLay with is there a
magnetism about him?

Speaker 14 (16:36):
Mody, Yes, there certainly seems to be. I mean you
can see it on TV, but I've had a couple
of chances to meet him.

Speaker 9 (16:42):
I talk to him now.

Speaker 14 (16:43):
He is very very calm and very thoughtful, and I
can see why he's the longest serving prime minister India's head.
It was a very positive visics New Zealan, the free
trade agreement. It's come quite quickly with India and it
was only three years ago we said we would make
their relationship with India strategic priority. So across the board,
this just shows that it is now more than trade.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Back Tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
into Trophy News Talk.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
ZEDB twenty eight past one.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
So, on the back of the cost blowouts for the
Roads of Significance and also the city rail link in Auckland,
do we have a tendency to go gold plated when
functional is all we need.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
We've got a text through from someone who has sent
an entire post from Newstalk zedby host Tim roxburghs Instagram
Okay saying I agree with this, so I'll read it out.
Please say this is a full celebration of the city railing.
We're not just talking about the city rail Link, We're
talking about infrastructure across the entire country. Yes, so anything
you want to talk about. Why does it cost so much?

(17:43):
This post from Tim rocksborgh and it's posted from Karrengah
Happy Road Station. I was very excited to have a
tour of Auckland's multi billion dollar city rail Link today,
focusing on the stunning Karranga Happy Station. Trust me, this
isn't just going to be a game changer for Auckland,
but it is going to be so transformative for the
city that every vocal detractor of this project will soon

(18:03):
pretend they were always on board.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Unlike the Auckland Harbor Bridge, the CRL is future proof
for when Auckland is a biggest city. The design, the
artworks and the locations of these stations will revitalize the
central city neighborhoods around them, something that's already happening with
new restaurants, bars and cafes. What I'm most excited about
being in Britain art with my family and going shall
we head up to k Road why not? And then

(18:27):
hopping on the subway and popping out near Saint Kevin's Arcade.
As for access to Eden, Parker will make this dramatically
faster and easier no matter where you live in Auckland,
Tim Roxsborough continues, and don't buy into any smug criticism.
He's talking about you, Tyler. You had smug criticism before,
and don't buy into any smug criticism about the elusive

(18:50):
opening date. What would be better opening earlier and having
teething problems for all the public to see, or sorting
out every conceivable teething problem now as it happens, opening
date is probably just weeks away, and I can't wait.
So do you agree with Tim Rocksburgh about that the
future proofing, because of course Wayne has come out and

(19:10):
said that he doesn't agree with future proofing that the
Auckland Harbor Bridge they built what they could afford at
the time, and then when it got too busy they
put the clip ons on.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's right. The staging of a project, so you go
through the various stages. You've set the budget. If you
get to a stage and the bud the cost blows out,
then you have more room there or more scope to rearrange.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
The budget, but I don't feel that smug about it,
to be honest.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Matt Heath and Tim Rocksborg for that for that matter,
and to the detractors out there, if you're a detractor
on the amount spent on CRL, do you think you'll
eat your words once it opens? I mean to me,
it goes back to the artwork. You know, we talked
about the Cody snails and there's a bit of a
chandelier operation happening in one part of the Cral as well.
That's all well and nice and looks beautiful, but can
you name me another famous subway system in the world

(19:55):
that has that level of artwork and extravagance, because that
it's a lot of extravagance.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Well, the most iconic subways in the world. You take
New York or the Metro in Paris, or you know,
the subway and what am I calling it? The Tube
in London. They're very tight little operations, aren't they. Yes,
And there's not a lot of decorations going on. Yeah,
but they are iconic, they are. They are iconic and interesting.

(20:22):
With the future proofing. After the news headlines, we'll talk
about some of the differences between a similar situation that's
gone in Copenhagen and what's gone in Auckland. Because you've
talked about future proofing the greater Copenhagen military military metropolitan
areas two million people, so quite a bit bigger than Auckland.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Okay, that's going to be interesting. But we want to
hear from you eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Why
do you think it costs so much in this country
to build public infrastructure? And do you think we have
a tendency to go gold plated when we should just
go functional?

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Tell us your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Simon says the Christian Stadium was built by professionals who
have built other stadiums. Former Wallaby Al Baxter was a
key operative in the project, whereas old mate Sweeney buggers
off around the world, leaving steaming piles of turds behind it. Particulately,
pot do you think some people are saying it's goalplated
and other people are saying it's a steamic pilet?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
What side do you said on? It is twenty eight
to two headlines with railing coming.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
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Speaker 2 (22:39):
Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about cost blowouts
when it comes to public infrastructure. A couple of days
ago Chris Bishop had to rejig the Roads of Significance
to a phasing pipeline, so effectively kicking some projects down
the road due to the cost of those projects and
with the countdown on until the opening of the City
Rail Link Aukland Meya. Wayne Brown has criticized the extravagant
design features. So what do you say on this when

(23:01):
it comes to public infrastructure, do we have a tendency
to go gold plated over functionality?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Well, let's hear it from the horse's mouth. City Rail
Link chief executive Sean Sweeney had this to say about
the specks of the CRL.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
I do believe because we don't do much of this.
I do believe we're not very good at specifying the
scope and I do believe in New Zealand we're over
specifying jobs and it's making them too expensive, which means
we do less often.

Speaker 16 (23:27):
So are you saying that you think the City Rail
Link was overspecified, over engineered, too expensive.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Basically, Well, I'm not going to make any friends for
saying this, but in a nutshell, yes, I've spent the
last nearly two years spending a lot of time in Europe.
I've spent a lot of time with the people who
built the Copenhagen metros. They have been brutally disciplined about
how they've specified scope. They've built very small, very affordable

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stations all through Copenhagen at a quarter of the cost
of CRL.

Speaker 16 (23:59):
How much cheaper do you think we could have had
the CRL.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
I think we could have delivered this for half the cost,
but it would have looked different, would have looked quite industrial,
and they would have been smaller. They wouldn't have had
anywhere near the extra facilities in them.

Speaker 16 (24:16):
You were a CEO, could you not see that those
costs were too expensive? Should you have stepped in and
stopped that?

Speaker 5 (24:22):
I probably didn't have the experience in building metro stations.
Then we asked before we got refunded, we were asked
by government to look at any places we could save
and at and KiB Rail were asked and they came
back and said they couldn't find anywhere to save money.

Speaker 11 (24:38):
If that was me, now, I would have reacted quite.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Differently to it. But you really need to get in
when the designs are being done. When I turned up
the designs, we were done. This is all in the
scope and the specification, and that's with the designers. And
most designers liked to do their last job. And most
of the metro people on City Railink their last job
was London Underground. Okay, Australia, England, Hong Kong, Singapore built

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the most expensive metros in the world, and all those
people are in the same eco system and we use
those people.

Speaker 17 (25:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
I mean, it's interesting that they were asked if they
could find any cost savings at all and they said no. Meanwhile,
four thousand a million aluminum broad designed roof and one
of the stadiums and one of their stadiums and one
of the stations. So noe, what about what about five
hundred aluminum rods?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, just cut that in half. There could be somewhere
we save some money.

Speaker 18 (25:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
So oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. What do you say, do we tend to
go gold plated when it comes to public infrastructure when
we could just go functionality? Nine to nine two is
the text as well. John, what's your thoughts.

Speaker 19 (25:49):
Yeah, well, I'm an old builder and government jobs back
in my day it was very easy for them to overbuild,
specify and all of that. But and if we talk
about metal projects that they'll see and try the scope,
I'll throw it scarpe and then if it's over budget,

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they'd bring a team of quantity surveyors and who met
her everything, and then they could say, hey, that's to
expense if you can use this, and it looks pretty similar.
And so they're really a construction cost accountant innate. In
my own view, they should be used on every project.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
What do you say about so right at the very
start though, if we're looking at this city rail link
for example, and we want to talk about everything around
the country, but you know they've gone for is it
nine cars, so nine car trains and nine car length platforms.
When you know, so from right from the start they
were being really really ambitious for the money, John, So

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before you even start, I mean because Copenhagen there's you know,
some of the timeframe has just been finished. They went
for three three car trains, so you know, when when
does it go wrong? John?

Speaker 19 (27:09):
That's not that easy because like to the underground and
Moscow when I was there driving tour coaches in the seventies,
they had chandaliers and they were magnificent. And somewhere in
the middle of all this, you've got to decide what's
population going to be in fifty years and nine cars

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probably may not even cope for it then. So it's
very difficult when you've got sort of an annual endless
scope in front of you and try and work out
how many stations, how many carriages and all of that,
and it comes down to you've you've got to try
and calculate what's reasonable and what's practical.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, I mean it's an interesting example though, the you
know the Moscow metro for example, I mean, that's that's
that's they were called the Palaces of the People, right,
So that was communist Russia making huge marbles, chandelier, mosaics, sculptures,
huge vaulted halls as sort of testaments to the state. Right,

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So that was a way that the state could could
show that it was giving something to the people. But
I mean, we're not a communist country.

Speaker 19 (28:24):
And after short and like in London when I was
there in the seventies, you didn't really care that much
what the two was like for exchange full and even
the overground rail, because you just wanted to get from
point eight to point B as long as it was
reason clean and tidy.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Well, I mean, if you're a Russia in the nineteen fifties,
I mean most of these stations were made between the
nineteen thirties and the nineteen fifties in Moscow and Saint Petersburg,
so you might have you might be traveling to work
to not really get paid any money and then having
a quick look at the chandelier before you you know,
got off into the street to wait in a breadline.

Speaker 19 (29:04):
So totally agree with you. I don't agree with you
those lights of government projects, he remember, the people over
designing them and planning them. They've got the government's checkbox,
so they don't have the same restraint on them as
private projects too.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, thank you very much for your call, John. So
what do you say on that old one hundred and
eighty ten eighty do you agree with? John? I mean,
just on the nine car trains that they've gone for
instead of the three like Denmark went for. Isn't that
the whole thing about staging this is what Wayne Brown
was saying that when you've got a stage project that
you start off with the three car trains, but you
leave some scope in the project that once the population

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goes up in the city starts to expand you've left
some scope in the project to expand on that, then
you could go up to four and five and six
and seven and eight and finally get the.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Three car seems to be fine for Copenhagen, and that's
a population of two point one million, so quite a
lot more than then here. Then you know it's over
another christ Church on population on top of Walkland and
they're fine with three cars.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Good point.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
So could we have done five and still be massively
future proof?

Speaker 9 (30:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
What do you say?

Speaker 6 (30:14):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighties and number to call
it seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's a fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heathen Tyler
Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty us talk there'd be fourteen to two.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
So do you think we tend to go gold plated
for public infrastructure when functionality would do? Tell us your thoughts.
I won one hundred and eight ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I'm looking forward to defacing the Auckland Palace to the
people the CRL.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
Right and to that, No, don't do that, just I mean,
how does that help look after it?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
So we've spent an insane amount of money on making
these giant stations beautiful, so at least allow them to
remain beautiful or else that double is bad. If they
suddenly become scummy, then we're paid for this gold plated station.
That is, then we don't even do that.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, you know, yeah, we've got it, so we've got
to look after it. Nine two niney two is the
text number as well.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Should we have a quick listen to Sean Sweeney again
because he can talk a little bit about the why
these stations were so expensive on the CRL. That's x
CEO of City Rail, Sean Sweeney. There's a number of things.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
One of the size CRL has gone for nine car
trains Copenhagen. They have three car trains. They have three
cars stations sixty meters long, our stations two hundred meters long.
They have two escalators, one up, one down. We have
between six and eight escalators, depending on where you're at.
I remember talking to one of the lead guys who
designed their stations. I went to their station, said where's

(31:43):
the toilets? He said there are none? I said why not?
He said, Sean, we run trains every minute and a half.
Why should we provide a toilet when you're going to
be here less than eighty seconds. They have been a
really stripped down, lean version of what you need for
a metro and as a result, it's cost a quarter
of what we pay for ours.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I mean that says a lot, doesn't it. I mean
I like that to think about the toilets. That when
the people from den Mark said to them, you know
they only meant to be there eighty seconds, so what
do you need a toilet? I mean that's backing themselves
to say this thing is going to run smooth as
butter so we can save costs. I don't know how
many toilets are going to be on the CRL.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
I mentioned multiple.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
What do you say on this Kiday?

Speaker 20 (32:24):
Mike?

Speaker 21 (32:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (32:25):
Gooday. I just thought a bit of a comparison with Copenhagen.
I mean the roads were wide enough to march an
army down, which happened quite a lot in their lives,
and so a lot of the metro was built just
cut and covered down the middle of the road where
there was grass. Their metro is not that deep, it's

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quite shallow. They didn't have the same rock structure as
we had, and I think to have built it for
a three car the stations for three car would have
been a mistake because we've only we've only really got
one sort of circle line, and I mean other metros.

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I mean, I'd hate to build the one in Saint
Petersburg today because it's in perma frost and they've got
to keep the ground refrigerated around the tunnels to stop
the movement.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Do you think we should have known how challenging it
was going to be to dig these tunnels, Mike, when
we were budgeting it at the start at two point
eight Bid.

Speaker 22 (33:35):
I would imagine. I would imagine we drilled, we drilled
boreholes to see what their structure was before while we
were doing their route planning.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
M Yeah, well you'd think so. It's because people keeps
texting through saying, look, it's so much harder because it's
volcanic rock. But we knew, we knew that, and you
certainly shouldn't build something until you know what you're building
it through. So that that the Copenhagen's metro line is
eight point five kilometers and it is partially elevated, so
the city rail link is it does get out of

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it obviously once you get out of the city rail link.
But that's what is it three point four three point
four five kilometers long, the city rail link, So it's
a lot it might be deeper, but it's a lot
it's a lot shorter, Mike, I.

Speaker 22 (34:20):
Know, it's a lot shorter, and and I feel that,
you know, definitely with comparing it with coben Hagen's not
not good. I don't know what the metro in Stockholm cost,
but that but the terrain there has got a few

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more hills, and uh, the Pnhagen's quite a very compact city,
and it's it's not sort of constrained by a jobphy
like ours, which has sort of got more an our
glass shape.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I think we've got a crazy shape city, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah,
And I mean that's that is a problem with their
rail lines, aren't they because they don't go to areas
of large population because of the quite interesting shape of Auckland.

Speaker 22 (35:17):
Well, our railway went to the northwest, went to where
a guy had a farm, old deal with it was
playing around his property.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, and you know, getting freight and stuff in and
out of the city like we were doing in a
lot of smaller towns. But so what do you think
about the five point five billion? Do you think at
the start, mic, if it had been budgeted at five
point five billion, that we would have signed it off.

Speaker 17 (35:48):
It would have never happened.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I don think no, and that and that's kind of
these projects. Get that that too big to fail. Well,
you know, once you spent two billion dollars, it's hard
to concrete them up and not continue.

Speaker 22 (36:01):
Now, and they have to a certain extent despite of
old Wayne Brown, they have future proof that because it's underneath.
So I still call it bri mar I spoke white.
A matter is called now it's got a blank wall
where they can put another two lines underneath that ever.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Happens, Mike, thank you very much for giving us a
call and appreciate your thoughts. So what do you say,
oh one hundred eighty ten eighty, you know that whole
idea of a future proofine And look, an interesting comment
from Wayne Brown. But as Shawn Sweeney said, you know,
one of the big cost blowouts was going for the
nine car trains rather than having fewer, but going on

(36:46):
a more regular basis as Copenhagen does. So that's still
that's still shifting the same amount of people, but you're
not spending as much on the infrastructure. I mean, you
don't have to build toilets for them. That's rock as
they're not waiting on the platform hundred percent. Yeah, it's
a double winner, isn't it. What do you say? Nine
two ninety two is the text number? It is eight
to two.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Matties Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and
eighty Tightsthan Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
News TALKSB News Talks. It'd be it is five to
two quick text here get a guys, the e CEO.
What a complete numpd I am in town just seeing
three trains go past, all three carriages while tripping your
design length biggers belief.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Well hang on a minute, yeah kinde of different. Well, well,
it's capable of nine nine car platforms. Platforms are huge,
they're very very long.

Speaker 23 (37:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Anyway, look, I haven't been down there, but from what
I've seen on social media, the city rail link looks beautiful.
It's so flash it's like a super flash shopping mall.
It's a palace to the people. All the stations are huge,
there are so many beautiful escalators or escalators. There's no

(37:56):
doubt it's it's very, very very cool. But there is
also no doubt we are very very broke as a
country and as a city. We will be paying for
this thing for a very long time, so would we
have been. I'm pretty much as happy with something just
a little bit more functional and a little less spectacular,
probably especially those of us who will be paying for

(38:17):
it but never using it, which is most of us.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, yet sport on mates, right, great discussion. Thank you
to everyone who gave us a buzz and texture on
that one. Coming up after two o'clock. As we get
closer to the election, there's again questions around the five
percent three shold under MMP to get into parliament.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
So do you think that needs to be looked at it?
Tell us you thought so.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
And nine to ninety two if you want to send
a text. You're listening to Matt Ethan Tyler Adams on
your Monday afternoon. You stay here, We'll be back very soon.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
The big stories, the legal issue us, the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
News Talk.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Said the a very good afternoon to you. Welcome back
into the show. It is six pass two. So as
we get closer to the election, there is again questions
around the five percent three shold under MMP to make
it into parliament. So as most of us know, to
get a share of the list seats in Parliament, a
political party must get five percent of the total vote.
A minor party can also get into parliament if they

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win an electorate seat. Those who support the lower end
of the threshold argue that the current five percent bar
is too high and it hurts democracy. They say it
would reduce wasted votes in some elections up to seven
to eight percent of all votes voters choose minor parties
that fail to meet the threshold, and those for raising
it say it is a necessary guardrail that makes the
government effective and stable. Currently, smaller parties can hold a

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large amount of leverage during.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Negotiations of coalition talks.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
We've seen that before, and the lower threshold five percent
that is, can also risk single issue or fringe parties
entering parliament.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
So to get five percent, so you've only got you've
only convinceding one and twenty people to vote for you,
all right, that's not a lot. So you know, how
good is your idea if only one and twenty people
are into it?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
It's a fair argument.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
I mean, so you're a political party and your ideas
are so poor that only one and twenty people agree
with you. Yeah, I mean, liring of that would be insane.
So you just line up twenty people on the street
and you go, I think that we should have representation
for that one person. That doesn't seem right to me.
It should be high, Yeah, it should be I think
I think seven and a half percent. Seven and a

(40:46):
half Yeah, it's high, bar. I mean, that's just population increase, right,
So the popular since they bought an MMP nineteen ninety six,
the population has increased one point six three million since
the n right, yep, and the populations become older in
that time. It has, so the electorate has become much
much larger. So just on that, So if you thought

(41:08):
five it was the right figure back then. Then it's
got to be higher than that.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Now, do you think what we're seeing more and more
often we talk about the five percent and and by
all means come on through one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Is Matt right with a seven point five number?

Speaker 3 (41:22):
No, it's a ridiculous segment because five percent changes with
the amount of population. Yeah, so the population going up
five percent is the same.

Speaker 9 (41:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
I just realized the ridiculousness of what I was just saying.
That idea came to me. It came to me, and
I was thinking about pure numbers. But five percent is
five percent of the electorate. It doesn't matter how big
the electate is.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, good picking up on that.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
But is the picking up?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
But it's the It's the reason this keeps coming to
the four is maybe once upon a time when we
started MMP, it worked okay, But more and more we're
seeing elections where those who are just scraped above five
percent or around about that number are making bigger calls
than they should be making as picking which side is
going to govern.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
I still think, yeah, because do we want a bunch
of crazy ideas?

Speaker 12 (42:05):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
What does that make you know? People say it makes
democracy stronger, but how does it actually make democracy stronger?
It gives power to less people as opposed to as
a democracy by its nature the majority power to the majority. Right,
So if you have governments held up over having to

(42:25):
make changes to what they are going to go and
do because they need the support of someone that's managed
to get one and twenty people to vote for them,
then you that that means that that's those people that
voted their vote is more powerful than the people that
voted for the larger party. If you see what I'm.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Saying, Yeah, what do you say on this O eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty So the five percent threshold,
it's rearing its head again, arguably because the Opportunity Party
is polling just below that. So do you think there
is room to move it? And if there is, do
you think it should go up or down? Tell us
your thoughts. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
It is eleven past two.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Your home of afternoon until mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk zib.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Afternoon. It is thirteen past two and we're talking about
the five percent threshold to make it into parliament. It's
reared up again the question on whether it should be
lowered or increase. What do you say, Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is at number?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I mean. One of the reasons why people are talking
about this is because Poles seem to be suggesting that
the Opportunity Party is around or just below the five
percent marks, so could potentially be involved in coalition conversations. Yes,
although I think people are sort of finding out the
Opportunity Party isn't the centralist party that they've claimed to be.
As people see their policies, they might not like them
as much as they think they like the idea of

(43:48):
a centralist party. M I think they're closer to the
what's the name we were giving them, the HR Greens.
They're like the HR Department. It's like an incredibly aggressive
HR department from a large corporation decided to form a party.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
And that's very apt.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
What do you say? Nine two ninety two is a
text as well, David, afternoon to you. How you doing
goods like the idea of lowering this five percent threshold?

Speaker 13 (44:11):
No, I don't, because I used to like the idea
but now, having seen the way politicians behave in New
Zealand and previous history, we're just going to end up
with a proliferation of small parties.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
So is that because as we've seen in many recent elections,
it is the smaller parties that seem to be making
the call on who's going to govern.

Speaker 13 (44:34):
David, I'm not entirely sure how happy people would be
with where you get a party that polls perhaps say
three percent, winds up being the I don't like the term,
but the kingmaker.

Speaker 9 (44:48):
I mean.

Speaker 13 (44:49):
Also, the other part of it is small parties can
be awfully easily, I don't know, jacked up to do
particular tasks. Back in the day there was Bob Jones's
New Zealand Party which came through to essentially the spoiler
vote for National back in the eighties. That's right, yeah,
And there's a part of me now looking things like

(45:09):
Ian Lee's Galloway, who's the general manager of TOP, even
though he used to be a Labor MP. It makes
me wonder is TOP designed by the Labor Party. It's
difficult to know.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I mean, I'm just looking so we're talking about the
threshold here, but even looking at the idea of the
electorate seat. You know, if you can win one electorate seat,
does that sit well with you?

Speaker 9 (45:33):
David?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
And I say that because Top are going all out
for Mount Albert at the moment. I know, because the
leader knocked on my door on Sunday nights. But you know,
there's a potential there that if Labor were clever about it,
they'd remove their candidate and potentially push Top over the line.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
But is that something to look at as.

Speaker 13 (45:48):
Well in terms of the electric seat was Yeah, from
my point of view, the big thing about it would
be that we don't in we were a very small
country and a very small portion of the vote. Having
a small proportion of the vote allowing people into parliament
does make you look sideways at things in terms of,

(46:09):
you know, how much representation is productive and useful for
the rest of the country.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
M hmm.

Speaker 12 (46:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (46:15):
If you have tiny single issue parties brawling it out, Yeah,
there's single issues they're prepared to try and block everybody else.

Speaker 24 (46:22):
Yeah, useful.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I mean that's the thing because if you are just
a small party, then you don't have to have a
complete platform across everything that you would do. You just
come in, you go this is this is the therese
are a couple of and you know, especially when we're
in the social media age, feeding the algorithm with outrage
or just or just something that makes sense in a
TikTok video that that that can get you, That can

(46:46):
get you five percent if you're just hammering the one thing.
But then you've never thought about any other issues. And
you know, maybe a party that has to think about
the other issues has to go into coalition with you.

Speaker 13 (46:57):
Well, there is that there's going to be an enormous
I mean, if you think the horse trading is bad,
now wait until you get half a dozen parties trying
to be put into coalition.

Speaker 9 (47:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I mean there's a bunch of people texting saying it
should be two percent, so everyone gets the same God.

Speaker 13 (47:11):
Yeah, but you know what where does everyone get their say?
Because at the end of every people's opinions, intelligence and
everything else sit on a bell curve. If you take
two percent, that is going up and down, really the
far end of.

Speaker 17 (47:27):
The bell curve.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah, I mean that would be one in fifty people.
You've convinced one in fifty voters that your idea is sane.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah, there's part of it is all yeah, sorry, you go, David.

Speaker 13 (47:39):
It's the other part of it is as well, is
that if you end up having people essentially getting into parliament,
getting parties into parliament in proportion, if you get someone
who wins an electoratecy the moment, I'm just looking at
what's happening.

Speaker 9 (47:53):
In the UK.

Speaker 13 (47:54):
You've got Magel Farage, for God's sake, going out and
sitting in a He's just sitting in a bi election.
You get approval from the people. I think it's Clacton.
But all the other major parties have boycotted the whole.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
You've got what's his name, Count Bucketead, Count Binface, Count
Binfaces all in.

Speaker 13 (48:16):
Yeah, there's Count bin Face. And there's another one there
which is something like the giants screaming loony Party or
something like.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
That, sitting at the back looking stupid party.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, he's got some realistic policies though he's promised to
build one affordable house. I mean there's doable, Count Binface.

Speaker 13 (48:31):
Yeah, well, I mean that's death by our standards. I
think that'll be a fifty to fifty chance.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
It is amazing how hard it is to get you know,
for all have just said though there's a lot of
parties that have struggled, struggle to get to five percent, right, Yeah,
so for some reason it's not as easy and couldn't
there be an argument David that you know, a lot
of people are texting through saying Labor and National are
basically the same party, And does does the fact that

(48:57):
we have MMP stop Labor and National just essentially being
the same same party and not being pulled in sort
of any direction at all?

Speaker 13 (49:07):
Well, I mean, as someone who's a you know, what
I describe as a left leaning, swinging voter, National Labor
economically are pretty much impossible to distinguish these days. Economically,
in terms of social policy, it's difficult to know quite
what National stands for because with New Zealand first screaming

(49:28):
and jumping up and down and making all the noise
in the social space, it's difficult to know what else,
you know, what everybody else is doing. Labor As somebody
who was a labor supporter, they don't resemble the party
of the working people anymore.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
And is that because they've been pulled that way by
I don't know, the Green Party.

Speaker 13 (49:52):
I think it's basically that they've got their own internal
pressure groups where it has been it's become the party
of the god if you can't think of a better
way to put it, a party of the urban elite.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, well that's the accusation to put them. But if
that's the case, what what is the national party and
who is the party for the working person.

Speaker 13 (50:14):
In New Zealand at the moment, I would say there's
no party that's the party of the working person.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Well, I mean New Zealand first might claim they were
a party of the working person. Do you do you
believe that, David?

Speaker 6 (50:24):
No, all right, very good.

Speaker 13 (50:28):
Put it this way. You're talking to somebody here who
some years ago was a shop stewart the engineers union, right,
and there is no there's no recognizable party here that's
got the interests of the New Zealand's working people.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
But that's interesting. It's interesting that you have been you
feel like you've been abandoned by the Labor party when
you know, being you know, from from from a union background,
which which should fall slap bang in the middle of
labor in terms of your views.

Speaker 13 (50:59):
Yeah, except it doesn't anymore, because it would appear that
labor now regard many of the people the working people
of New Zealand as essentially the enemy.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
How so, how do you see that manifest David?

Speaker 13 (51:12):
But they don't share a progressive social.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Agenda, right, And what do you mean specifically.

Speaker 13 (51:19):
David, in terms of progressive social agenda? Yeah, identitarianism, which
is what seems to have overtaken the Labor Party.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Oh, I see what he's saying. Right, So you're saying
that that is different from what working New Zealanders believe.
They're not on board with the progressive social agenda.

Speaker 13 (51:41):
I would say there's a hell of a lot of
people who aren't, judging on Labour's last electoral results.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
So you what are you basically saying that you're despite
all the options in MP you are a voter without
a home pretty much?

Speaker 17 (51:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (51:57):
Well, I mean then we don't know party has things
like a useful industrial policy. There's just waking up to
the prospect about oh my god, managing an economy means
things like risk management. Oh why do we allow things
like the Mars and Point or a refinery.

Speaker 17 (52:12):
To be shut books?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
But then if there was to be a party created,
let's call it the Workers' Party. Maybe that's not a
great name. Actually, let's call it new labor, let's remove
the workers out of the Yeah, a new labor and
then going back to our original discussion. You know, new
labor comes up for the working man. They're back to
what labor used to be. They've still going to get

(52:35):
at least five percent David, Yes, they do. Okay, right,
thank you very much. Great discussion are you with David?
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty whole raft of
opinions there, so keen to get your thoughts. Nine two
ninety two is the text as well. Come on through.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
What do you reckon about the five percent threshold?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 17 (53:04):
That'd be.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Twenty five past too. So discussions around the five percent
threshold to make it into parliament? Does that need to change?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
A lot of support for David David is on the money.
This guy Dave, he represents me, says these Texters, but
someone's pushing back are one hundred percent wrong. New Zealand
First is the party of people who work, pay taxes,
raise families, and want to retire here and want governments
focused on wages and crime and national sovereignty rather than

(53:45):
all the elite political dates we are experiencing in the media. Okay,
so that person says that New Zealand First is that
party for working New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Right, do you agree?

Speaker 9 (53:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty Angela, how are you?

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Hello?

Speaker 19 (54:02):
Hi?

Speaker 18 (54:02):
Hi?

Speaker 25 (54:03):
Mkay?

Speaker 19 (54:03):
Yeah, top party? Neither bit off?

Speaker 25 (54:08):
Okay, So yeah, well I used to be oh, well,
I remember they think it might have been run about
the lockdowns that they sort of well started up, and
for some reason or other I ended up on their
Facebook page. I was just interested because a couple of
people I knew were really into them and that, and
I thought, m and they was sort of really a
bit like young labor really and I thought, nah, they

(54:31):
were really into sort of like, you know, drug testing
at concerts and how wonderful it was. And I sort
of said, well, don't you think it's important, you know,
to think about the economy. In the end, I just
pulled myself off because I thought you can't argue with idiots.
So yeah, I wouldn't trust them at the end.

Speaker 20 (54:48):
Of my boot.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, to try and steal
man what they're pushing for here. I think one of
their big policies is related to the economy, and that
is this idea of a land tax to pay for
this UBI is one of these central essential platforms, and
they back it to the help they think it will work.
There's a lot of people pushing back on that. But
you're saying, you don't think that's centrist, that's that's a
left idea.

Speaker 25 (55:09):
I'm not terribly canny with politics, so I know what
I feel, and I know what I feel is right,
and I'm more for the working person. And I think
if you have a strong economy with working or a
strong working economy, you can have a strong wealthy economy.
So that's what a lot of people on the doll
need to realize. So you're better off, you know, probably

(55:30):
voting for a party I think ACT is actually very
much the working people as well. I think the other
first getting a lot of traction. Yeah, I don't. I
don't know New Zealand first. Okay, it's got some hard cases,
but I'm personally in that person. But anyone knows, who knows.

Speaker 26 (55:47):
I'm pretty like that.

Speaker 25 (55:48):
But I just don't trust the top party. I think
that they're not centrist. I think they're left, and I
think the votes for them is really just a vote
for labor. Whether or not, I think it's good in
some respects that the labor votes or the left vote
being split of it. It might weaken a little. We
have too many tea to have too many right parties

(56:10):
starting like.

Speaker 26 (56:10):
The what was it the New Conservatives.

Speaker 27 (56:12):
There are a bunch of pod pods too.

Speaker 25 (56:15):
Yeah, I don't trust them. I think people, especially young
people who they may tend to appeal to, I think
before you vote for them, they're not necessarily in your
best interests. That's really your life and think of say, do.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
You think because they present themselves as a centralist they
call themselves an evidence based reform party. I think that's
I don't think I'm miss speaking when I say that
evidence based I think is floating around their stuff.

Speaker 25 (56:41):
That's a good less an interesting new buzz.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
What does that mean? But I think, but evidently, do
you think that they will cannibalize the left vote or
do you think that they will they will grab votes
off of national or New Zealand. First, I can't see
are the Opportunity Party of grabbing a few too many,
too many act votes.

Speaker 25 (57:04):
But the funny thing is a lot of the young
people who I've spoken to who it really surprises me
how many of them actually are very sensible with their vote.
I think at them, I'm noticing more a move hud
some younger people.

Speaker 15 (57:22):
To the right.

Speaker 25 (57:25):
I'm just wondering if there's a lot of disgruntle youngsters
who maybe are a lot more kenny than the left
realized because the vote tends to often I don't know,
they tend to grab their votes off. Maybe they're ignorant
and maybe the greedy, whereas there are a lot of

(57:46):
younger people who maybe a bit more kenny, a bit more.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I think it's interesting because you know a lot of
people say, oh, look their citizens income, which would never
get across the line with any party they had to
team up with. But people assume that young people go
ooh three seventy a week, that sounds fantastic, and don't
think about it anymore. But I don't know how many
people there are like that. I don't know how many
people that that don't think about it again. Before they vote.

Speaker 25 (58:13):
Look, you've got this a lot of silly old you know,
a lot of old green needs and stuff always so
a lot of old labor rights. I'll always vote maybe
because they don't know any to front, they haven't got
the brain to think outside the square. But it's surprising,
and I think I'm hoping we stick with the right
government simply because you know, the working class is what

(58:38):
keeps the country going. And if you want to sit
on your doll you won't get much dole if you
don't have a working class.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
So what do you think? What do you think about
the topic that the question we raise at the start?
Do you think MMP sitting at five percent is too
high or too low?

Speaker 9 (58:57):
God?

Speaker 25 (58:57):
You've re thought about that, to be honest?

Speaker 6 (59:01):
Well yeah, okay, thank you very much, Angela.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Have've thought about it and then and then disappeared.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, So what do you say on that question? Is
five percent about right for MMP? Is it working? And
I'll tell you what. There's a lot of texts coming
through agreeing with David that there's no longer a party
for the common working man?

Speaker 6 (59:17):
So do you agree with that?

Speaker 28 (59:18):
Oh?

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Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
Thank you very much, ray Lean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
So we're talking about the five percent threshold to make
it into parliament. There's more debate about whether that should
be lowered or raised. This is on the back of
some polling showing the Opportunity Party is getting pretty close
to that five percent mark.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
This person says, be careful when you say the Opportunity
Party is centralist. These insane people want to try twenty
four year olds as children. That's true. Actually, that's true.
They want to raise the age of the youth court
jurisdiction in line with developmental silent science. They say they
took about the pre frontal court cortex for developing at

(01:01:18):
twenty five, so that the upshot of that is trying
twenty four year olds that commit crimes as children.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
Does that sound like a good idea to you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I mean, he's got troversial.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
When you come up with a policy like that, do
you not think for a second how insane that is?

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
How's this going to land with everyday people. I'm just
going to make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
I've got a nineteen year old. He is huge and
he's he's an adult.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
Yeah, he's very capable. Heaved all of a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Yeah, I can only think what he's going to be
like when he's twenty four.

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
A couple of tacks on nine two ninety two coming through, lads.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
If you think the UNI Party of National label Labor
is a democracy, you are deluded. It is interesting that that,
you know, National and a lot of their voters that
are coming through on the text think that they are
too left National, whereas on the left and on on
social media they're trying to make out like the National

(01:02:11):
Party of New Zealand is like the Republican Party of
the United States, just because it's fashionable and people are
trying to have their international fight here in New Zealand,
and you know, people are after clicks and all that
kind of stuff. Yeah, but you know, the National Party
of New Zealand and the Labor Party economic their policies
are similar. Oh yeah, I mean when you're certainly not
freaking out and running around and calling people fascists if

(01:02:33):
you're a Labor voter and compared to National, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
If you line them up with the Democrats in the US,
they are left of the Democrats. The National Party. Oh, no,
doubt about it massively. Yes, yeah, lou, How are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 29 (01:02:44):
Yeah, no, I'm good. Thank you, thanks for having on.
All I was going to say is I cannot understand
why when MMP is supposed to be, you know, the
most popular vote sort of thing by the people, basically
it just falls between Labor and National and I don't
understand why they are not actually forced to make the government,

(01:03:06):
you know, have to work and then maybe the top
party of those two would be able to choose a
food or for pat or however many just keep them honest.
But you know, when you get people, you know, that
have only three percent five percent of the people of
vote for that's not democratic and it's not.

Speaker 12 (01:03:25):
What way.

Speaker 29 (01:03:26):
I just don't understand. I'm not that politically heavy, but
that's just how I see it. In National and Labor
at the top polling parties, they should be made to
work together because that's what the people want. And the
government's there basically at the behest of the people, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
It's an interesting why doesn't it Because people say that,
you know, democracy is served by more views having a say,
and so that's the idea that you have parties coming
in with with you know, five percent, But is that
actually democracy because that means that people that only got
five percent of the vote have a disproportionate effect on

(01:04:00):
the majority. So it's not really democracy. It doesn't make
things more demographic a democratic. It makes things more represent
of different views, I guess, but it doesn't make it
more democratic.

Speaker 29 (01:04:12):
I think it just makes a mess of everything because
you know, you're always going to get your fringe parties
and your fringe people that vote for those fringe parties,
and it just rather it's sort of like a wasted vote.
As far as I can see, there should be you know,
people that represent the people of New Zealand, you know,
with all the things that we want to do. Unity

(01:04:32):
and you know, fairness, good days, work, good pay, you know,
just honestly good health, good you know, schools, everything like that,
and it just falls for the most firm. I think
when you have too many other people that are sort
of handing out lollies for the source of that, it's
it weakens and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Well also well also, lou they can just claim that
they'll hand out lollies you know, you can have and
have the Opportunity Party say that they'll bring in a
land tax, and you can say that they will treat
twenty four year olds as juveniles in the court, and
they can say that they'll have a universal basic ink.
But they know and that they never will be able
to do that because there's no one can go no

(01:05:13):
one that will go into coalition with them will allow it.
So you can just walk around and say whatever to
get to your your You know, all these people that
are texting and saying it should be two percent or
two point five percent instead of five percent threshold, then
you just have a whole lot of parties that walk
around can say anything because they know they never actually
have to do it, and they never actually have to
crunch numbers to make sure it will work.

Speaker 29 (01:05:33):
Yeah, and in the interim, we're paying them huge wages
to sit there doing it. So no, I just think
they should come back to National Labor. And whoever's most
pops has parted after that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Good on you, lou, Thank you very much for giving
us a call. So what do you say about los Idea?
I mean, is that almost a grand coalition situation? Are
you what you're saying when you look at both the
National and Labor Party, that's it, roughly, according to Poling,
about sixty percent of the vote. So then when you
shut out one side of that with our current system,
is that really democracy at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Bring back first past the post. Although I mean one
of the reasons we MMP came in is because government's
kept on getting in without getting the popular vote vote
because the way it worked at LO across the electorates. Right, Yeah,
but at least with first past the post, the parties
have to have sensible policies across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
It's right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
They don't have to just come up with a crazy
ass little you know, personal interest and then blust that
out and find enough crazy people to support them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah, what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number of nine two ninety two
is the text number? Do you think the five percent
three shold needs to change? Go up or down?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Tell us and luck we have an ACT voter that's
going to vote top Oh okay, because I said before,
I can't see a lot of people going from ACT
to the Opportunity Party.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
We got one, We've got a live one. We'll get
to that next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
It is nineteen to three, the big stories, the big issues,
the big trends and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Be seventeen to three. Should the five percent three shold
be raised or lowered? What do you say, oh, one
hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
If twenty four year olds are children's children in the
eyes of the court, well children shouldn't vote, regards Andrew. Yeah,
so if top want to, you know, treat you as
a juvenile up to twenty four until you you know, yeah,
cerebral cortex confuses. Yeah, then you can't vote either, can you.

(01:07:34):
So if you're saying you two are responsible to be
tried as don't, then surely they should be raising the
voting age if they're evidence based.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
Yeah, and no drinking either, No drinking, no voting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
What are they calling themselves again? It's confusing. Just as
they that Opportunity party or Opportunity Party.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
I think they'll remove the the so it's just opportunity Party.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
See that annoys me. It's like they're ban pexis not
that pexis Yeah, just put a that in it, so
they're not They're not top anymore than their opportunity or
are they not even the party?

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
They're just opportunity so op instead of top.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Yeah, yeah, just opportunity right, the O party.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Jesus confusing, wasn't it. Yeah, I'm just going to call
them top.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
They just want to distance themselves from the cat issues.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I think they do. Yeah, they wanted to remember we
had the leader on extally. That was the first question
that you chucked her and she she was not happy
with that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
She was furious about it. They were really upset her.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
I hadn't heard about them since the cat TI. I
asked her about the cats. We all wanted to know
about the cats.

Speaker 7 (01:08:28):
Yeah, she.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Was like she got the claws out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
She told me to grow up and that the cats.
We've moved on from the cats. So you may have
moved on from the cats. Yeah, I'm still I'm still
I rate Gareth Morgan. I think he's great New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
A lot of people are interested on the cats. I
don't have a problem with the cats. Front up on
the cats. Bruce, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 21 (01:08:47):
Yeah, Hi, guys, I hope man, it hasn't spilt anything
on the desk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Being very careful, Bruce pretty clean so far.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
I'm a big fan of du Ellen. I don't want
to I don't want to make it.

Speaker 21 (01:08:58):
No, you wouldn't want me to get on the other
side of it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Scared of the Bruce.

Speaker 21 (01:09:02):
That's it. First, of course, i'll put the cats on
the table. I think I pretends to load to be
a minimum seven and half percent. That's the first thing
that would make it harder for the fringe lot to
get in. But the biggest problem I see with our
MMP system is the fact that it has an overhang

(01:09:24):
in it. And it happened of course with the last
election as you know, where the Married Party of course
got more seats than the percentage of a vote, and
that actually put more people into parliament. So how parliament
actually increased, which I made it harder to get a majority.

(01:09:46):
But the other thing being was, of course we're paying
extra people and parliament costs enough money as it is.
But it's just this overhang situation that to me it
seems a silly system. Evan, you should have the same
number of MPs and you rearranged it, but just because

(01:10:07):
the party doesn't get you know, they get too many
seats and not enough percentage of the vote, it it,
you know, overturns the majority in parliament and can cause
a terrible hassle.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Well, we've had We've had that. We've had that often,
haven't we. We've had a two thousand and five fourteen three,
So yeah, it's almost it's almost common, that's it.

Speaker 21 (01:10:37):
So I mean we either have you know, like a
certain number of MP's and sort it out then you know,
but definitely, as I say, I would never ever vote
the top. I think everyone they tried to talk from
themselves as a centrist party, but to be honest, they're

(01:10:59):
really really left and a lot of their ideas I mean,
and this wage for everybody crutch. Where's the money coming from?
We're not really rolling in money as a country at
this dage, are we?

Speaker 15 (01:11:14):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
No, I wouldn't say we're rolling in money. No, No,
But there you know, is there anything at all of
theirs that that that you like?

Speaker 21 (01:11:24):
I haven't found anything yet, So I'll be nice and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, I'll I'll randomly pick something, Bruce. New Zealand is
just this is from Opportunities website. New Zealand isn't any
energy rich country, but we act like we're energy poor.
We have world leading solar, wind, hydro and geothermal resources,
but we still spend over twenty billion a year buying
fossil fuels. That shows up in ever increasing powerballs, idled

(01:11:53):
machinery and kiwi businesses, and geopolitical risk that we just
can't afford anymore. We can do better. Abundant energy is
a circuit breaker for energy systems that has been unfunded
for decades. The package of large okay, I read where
are not?

Speaker 21 (01:12:12):
We are ninety four percent renewable At the moment, it's
either ninety four or ninety five percent. It's hard to
get that extra extra five percent. And if you think
that solar and all that that's going to be this
golden goose, just look at Australia and the price of
their power. They are really solidly into solar and their

(01:12:37):
electricity girls have gone up dramatically.

Speaker 9 (01:12:42):
So just.

Speaker 21 (01:12:44):
Google it and find out what the cost of power
is in Australia. And most of that is because of
the fact that they've gone into this solar and it's
cost me them my fortune to get the power from
one side to the other.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Well opportunity that the big part of there is they're
big on the carbon zero thinks significant cuts to carbon
emissions from energy and industrial process. I mean, the thing
is that we in this discussion, you know, we do
have a lot of you know, our hydro electrics and
sustainable energies, electricity for the electricity grids up there, but
we're still well over seventy percent of our energy overall

(01:13:22):
being fossil fuel when you account our vehicles and various
other combustion engines run. So we're right up there, you know.
And how much do we see the panic when it
came to what was happening with in the Iran war situation,
we quickly learned how much we depend on fossil fuels

(01:13:44):
despite what everyone we need.

Speaker 21 (01:13:47):
We need fossil fuels with electric vehicles and I won't
even start on those, but just as the people of
Northland that owned them during the eight days, they didn't
have power up there because that power line fell over
just north of Allensville, so that had eight days without pan.

(01:14:07):
Now you imagine if you own an electric vehicle and
you can't charge it, how are you going to get out?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:14:15):
Good point, Bruce, Thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I felt bad that I lost I was trying to
read through Opportunities Energy Policy to Bruce.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
But I think you're right. I think there was AI.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
I mean there was that was a lot of words
and I don't really know what they were trying to
say that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
And there was M dashes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
They used abundant energy about seventeen times.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Yeah, they used it abundant M dashes, which is always
a red play. I'm not saying it's deffinitely AI, but
there are mdashes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Said that vibe right? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighties and number to call coming up after we play
some messages. Adrian reasons it definitely should be lowered. It
is nine to three the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Talks It be News Talks it b It is six
two three, plenty of ticks coming through a nine to
two ninety two.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Got to read this there. Actually this was the act
voter that's going to op Tunity party. I said earlier
on that I didn't think a lot of people. I
thought that possibly it will happen, is people understand what
this party actually stands for. It will really just be
moving votes around the left side and that it's unlikely
to be someone from ACT going over. But I was
wrong because Andrew says, hey, lads, I voted ACT last time,

(01:15:27):
might vote TOP this time. Every other party is useless,
no long term pan, no desire to make the hard decisions.
Couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery. Sick of
them buying batches and claiming accommodation on the taxpayer and
acting like nothing wrong with it. Sick of them selling
us out to their fishery mates. Bring on the protest vote.
Make the five percent threshold lower chairs.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Andrew, Oh got on you, Andrew, So if you're with
Andrew nine two ninety two, tell us Adrian you reckon
it should be lowered as well.

Speaker 10 (01:15:56):
Oh yes, yes, I soon you do. I just think,
I mean people talk about fringe parties. I mean that's
just words. I mean, doesn't mean that a French party
is bad or good. You know, you have to look
at their policies. People talk about the parties, but they
don't really look into their policies and how they operate

(01:16:20):
and whether it be good or not. But I think
that you know, parties that are start now, they can't
achieve the five percent, because what tends to happen is
that the public they recognize us and they say, oh,
it's wasting our vote, and so they end up voting
for the two main parties. Basically they will or initial

(01:16:41):
as a result because they think they're voters wasted if
they loaded a boat. Will allow parties to enter into politics,
and it doesn't mean they're going to be good or bad.
It depends on their policies.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Yeah, well, good point, Adrien. Although you could say that
if it was, say two percent, then if you've got
a crazy idea, then you might be able to find
two percent of the voters they're as crazy as you are. Yeah,
Whereas it's harder to you know, sanity, you would argue,
would generally appear around ten percent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Yeah, trying to form a coalition with a bunch of
two percent is that would be tough.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Well, I'm looking at an incredibly unscientific pole right here. Okay, yep,
And this was online and so this means nothing because
it's an opt in pole, But it said, should the
threshold for MP be lowered twenty one percent? Should it
be kept at five percent? Twenty percent? Should it be
raised fifty nine percent. Right, okay, and I think in

(01:17:37):
our text machine as well, you would say, in our
unscientific pole of our text machine, probably sitting at most
people saying that should be raised.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yep. Seemed about right. Yeah, great discussion. Thank you to
everyone who gave us a call and text through. Really
enjoyed that. Coming up after three o'clock, new research shows
that thirty six percent of Generation X have at least
one tattoo.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Do you not have a tattoo?

Speaker 9 (01:17:59):
Of so?

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Why did you never get one?

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Said me yet a to you, welcome back into the show.
It is seven past three.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
I've just heard some good news.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Andrew Dickins is doing the Drive Show instead of Hit
the dupea cy Ellen today.

Speaker 6 (01:18:20):
Thank God for you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Let me thank God for that, mate, So I can
leave a mess you can. Yeah, getting those music bars
out now, start scrunching them up, throwing them around the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
There's been a lot of talk about the crumbs that
I left on the disk for the dup placey Ellen,
And he's up next.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Is that why she's not here today. Hey, she needed
a bit of time to get used to the idea.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Oh, actually.

Speaker 9 (01:18:44):
Do so.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
There was some audio that was going around have hit
the duplace Ellen complaining about the crumbs I left in
the studio. Yes, but there's another bit of audio when
she admitted that I came in and cleaned it up.
There was, and that hasn't been it's been fake news
across the weekend on news talks. He'd be only playing
the start of the confrontation, the not the pleasant and
friendly resolution of the dispute.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah, yeah, that is fake. I mean you're going to
listen to the whole thing to get the full pitcher.
There was a nice recovery. I think I was very happy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
I think by the end there was Heather said, to
Matt's credit, he has come and cleaned up his mess.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
I think that was the exact words. They all right
on to this topic. This is going to be a
doozy tattoo so. New research shows tattoos are especially prevalents
among younger kiwis so Nearly half of millennials forty seven
percent and over a third of gen x's thirty six
percent say they have at least one tattoo. That compares
to thirteen percent of the baby boomer generation. So millennials

(01:19:41):
and Gen x's are also exponentially more likely to have
multiple tattoos than the older generations. So there is a
couple of the current trends. Back in the nineties, a
lot of tribal tattoos, nautical stars, and apparently Looney Tunes characters.

Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
So with current trends, if you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Have a tattoo, you're probably going to be in the
minority in future generations.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
So I guess those numbers per generation please, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
So millennials forty seven percent. Forty seven percent of millennials
have a tattoo.

Speaker 6 (01:20:07):
That's pretty high, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Wow? Gen X is thirty six percent. Yep, baby boomers
thirteen percent.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
And see baby boomers have had a lot longer to
get a tattoo as well, they have, yeah, exactly, and
baby boomer tattoos seem to be you know, an anchor
and I love mum.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Yeah, yeah, there's for yeah, yeah, a lot of that,
a lot of that. Do you want to hear about
gen Z? I think this is pretty interesting about gen Z. Okay, So,
on average, around thirty six percent of gen z have
a tattoo, So.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
I mean that's less than millennials, but of course they
haven't had as long to get them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah, but fifty six percent of young female gen zs
have a tattoo. Fifty six percent of women gen Z
women have a tattoo, So.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
The the females more tattoo than the males.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Yeah, they're going hard on the tats by.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Quite some margin. Right, Well, tyler, do you have tattoos?

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
I have no tattoos. I have zero tattoos, zero, zero.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Not even just a little stamp tramp tramp stamp.

Speaker 6 (01:21:04):
I thought about it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I thought about it. We've kind of gone out of
vogue by the time I got into the tattoo parlor,
gon to push me out and said, don't come again.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
This text that says why didn't I get a tattoo?
Because only an idiot would get a tattoo. You should
be asking why anyone would think they need to draw
on themselves. My son has a map of New Zealand
on his shoulder. Does he need to have a map
of New Zealand on his shoulder? No, he has it
because he's an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
That's patriotic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Who wanted a tattoo and couldn't think of anything else.

Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
How many tattoo do you have?

Speaker 20 (01:21:32):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
One, two, three, four, five, Jesus mate, six.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
You've got any skin left? I've seen a couple of them.
I've mean some were somewhere done in the you know,
in a state of I've got six sweet tattoos.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Yea, including a dinosaur with a ghetto blaster.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Who doesn't want one of those?

Speaker 21 (01:21:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Why if you
haven't had a tattoo and you're millennial or gen X,
why not? Why didn't you get a tattoo? This text says,
it's like people who never tried mushrooms. Steve Jobs would
never hi anyone who hadn't had hallucinogens. I am the
same with tattoo as no tattoo, and you play it
too safe for our firm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Okay, do you agree with that one?

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
If that's a tattoo?

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
But oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call? Nine two nine two is?

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
The text is eleven par three on news talks, the'd
be it is thirteen pass three. So new research shows
tattoos are especially prevalent among younger KI, we's nearly half
a millennials forty seven percent and over a third of
gen x's thirty six percent. I have at least one
that could bears to thirty percent of baby boomers. So,
if you're out there, if you're a millennial or gen
XA who hasn't got a tattoo O eight one hundred

(01:22:44):
and eighty ten eighty tell us why? And on the
flip side, if you have gone crazy on the tattoos,
what was the reason? Tell us nine two ninety two
is the text number is? Well, Jamie, what's your view?
A mate?

Speaker 17 (01:22:59):
So I have tattoos, my partner has tattoos, but my
parents and grandparents don't have a single one between them, right?

Speaker 6 (01:23:07):
And how what generates would your parents be in?

Speaker 25 (01:23:12):
Uh?

Speaker 17 (01:23:14):
What didn't have a clue in the fifties.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
I'm saying your parents are in their fifties, Jamie, so
they're probably gen X sort of bordering boomer maybe.

Speaker 17 (01:23:27):
Maybe? And I'm thirty five.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (01:23:34):
My first teture I got, I got because I was bored, right, Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:23:40):
And what was that?

Speaker 17 (01:23:42):
I don't know if I can say what it says
on it?

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Okay? Well can you can? You do the censored version.

Speaker 17 (01:23:48):
So mother, if I can't take a joke, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Okay okay?

Speaker 9 (01:23:53):
And and.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
So how bored you have to how do you? How
bored do you have to be to get on you?

Speaker 17 (01:24:02):
Well, it was a phrase I liked.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
It's in Latin, okay, classy time.

Speaker 17 (01:24:08):
I was working away from my ex wife and I
don't have anything.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Better to do, right, And is it in fancy writing
or anything that is?

Speaker 13 (01:24:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Right, so it's in some sort of nice script.

Speaker 17 (01:24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
And what part of the body did you get that on, Jamie?

Speaker 17 (01:24:26):
Better than my right arm?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
Right, like a full sleeve operation.

Speaker 17 (01:24:33):
Just on one side, but it goes up the entirety
of my forearm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
And for your wife, so you mentioned that you've got
a bit board, so you wanted to get a tattoo,
which is fair enough.

Speaker 6 (01:24:43):
What about your wife? Is she quite tattooed up?

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Do your partner?

Speaker 9 (01:24:47):
Sorry?

Speaker 17 (01:24:48):
Well, my partner is she's got I've got three sattoos?
She has eight or nine?

Speaker 21 (01:24:54):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:24:56):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (01:24:56):
That is a lot.

Speaker 17 (01:24:57):
Yeah, and she's twenty nine, okay?

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
And have they all got meaning behind them? Or she's
just done a lot of them because.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
She felt like it.

Speaker 17 (01:25:07):
She she got because she felt like them. The other
one on my uh left is the old Crusader's logo
with earthquake dates around him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Right, that's kind of that's that seems kind of meaningful,
it does. Do you think do you think that there's
more credibility and a meaningful tattoo, Jamie than there is?
And just I was bored and I wanted to tattoo
something funny on me.

Speaker 17 (01:25:37):
Not really someone's body, And that's what they like? Why not?

Speaker 18 (01:25:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
And you in speaking of which, do you guys like
each other's tattoos? Because you're probably gonna look at your
partner's tatoos more than you look at your own.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Yeah, all right, what did your parents say when you
got the Latin Latin profenity?

Speaker 6 (01:26:00):
Yeah, profanity?

Speaker 17 (01:26:05):
Grandmother and mother in particular really hate taboos like we've
gone used to them now, but at the beginning, but
they didn't like them at all.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Well, if you if you don't like tato's, and you're
probably not gonna like that, you got, Jamie.

Speaker 21 (01:26:21):
The thing is I have.

Speaker 17 (01:26:22):
Brothers and sisters, then they're all catched up as well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Think if you cook, Jamie, so that the generations, so
baby boomers born nineteen forty six to ninety sixty four,
Generation X ninety sixty five to nineteen seventy nine. So
what were the Generation X numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Tato's Generation X was thirty six percent have at least one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
So that Generation X sixty five to seventy nine born.
Generation Z is ninety ninety five. Hang on minute, So millennials,
what are millennials? I always get confused when what's the
what's the what's the years of a millennial?

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Starts at nineteen eighty I'm pretty sure, and then goes
up to quickly searched millennial generation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Milleni it was in nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety six, right, okay,
and there on, and there are forty six percent of
tattoos correct, Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so you're almost in
the minority. But you know, like nearly half of that
generation have tattooed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Did you ever care about so you've got a few tattoos?
Did you ever care about the fact that you're going
to have that for most of your life? It just
never came into your thinking. You thought, you know, I've
got to deal with this thing for the next twenty
to thirty, maybe forty years. You just thought, sod it,
I want a dinosaur with a ghetto blaster.

Speaker 7 (01:27:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Well, some of my tattoos are more meaningful than others.
Like I've got my children's names tattooed on me.

Speaker 6 (01:27:44):
That's nice, yep, And that's meaningful.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
I guess, yeah, But I mean it would be I'd
love them just as much of their name is tattooed
out of me or not. I mean, it doesn't mean
anything towards how much you love them. I guess yeah,
But I bet you know. When my first son was born,
I was just looking for a way to celebrate it,
really yeah, And then when the other one came around,
it's like, I can't have one and not the other.
If you know, if you say.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yeah, so if you're tatooed up, oh one hundred and
eighty to ten eighty, or if you don't have a tattoo,
why did you never get one?

Speaker 6 (01:28:08):
Tell us it is nineteen past three. We'll be back
very shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
This Texas says, I see so many future regrets on
the necks and hands of young people in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Is that true? Tell us.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Twenty two past three. Some new research shows that younger
Kiwis are the ones with the most tattoos. Millennials forty
seven percent have at least one, gen x's thirty six
percent have at least once. If you never got one,
tell us, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call A nineteen nine two is a text.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
This Texas says, Wow, it looks great when you are hot.
In twenty two, old biddy at a retirement home with
full sleeves not so cool anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
It's coming.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
It is coming, rods. What's your view?

Speaker 20 (01:28:59):
Oh good, hey, guys, great show. We're going tattoos. Yeah,
I've got a little tattoo of my left hand and
it's fading away now. I think goodness for that. It
was a sort of a you know, sort of a
crescent moon and star because I'd seen it on some
heavy girl at Cook Street Market. I'm a boomer, and

(01:29:24):
I thought, wow, that's cool.

Speaker 12 (01:29:26):
I'm going to do that myself, and so I did it.

Speaker 20 (01:29:30):
But and after that, in the eighties, you know, reading
lots of silent punker science fiction novels. They mentioned tattoos
like techno tattoos and all sorts of stuff, and wow,
this is great stuff. But I just think, now there's
just so many people with tattoos, like my daughter and

(01:29:54):
son in law.

Speaker 23 (01:29:54):
Yeah, no tattoos all over the place.

Speaker 20 (01:29:57):
And my grandson's got a tattoo, and but his I
mean his one significant regarding his dad who's passed on.
So I can understand that. But also the thing is,
you know, like you were just saying from that text,
you know, in years to come, it's going to look
pretty bad. It's like Robin Williams in one of his

(01:30:21):
stand ups, he would say, and there she was the
cosmic woman with the sun tattoes at the base of
a spye where the candelinis arrived. But in years to come,
it's going to look like a shriveled starship or start.

Speaker 11 (01:30:40):
Starfish, I should say.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
But yeah, I think it'll move on.

Speaker 20 (01:30:45):
Because I don't know about you, but when you watch
a podcast, and I looked at one yesterday, I was
looking other, Hey, that guy's got no tattoos, you know,
it sort of sticks out. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Yeah, well, we'll actually play some more audio. Thanks for you,
col Rod. We'll play some audio from Ozzy Osborne on
his opinion of tattoos. It seems to be online with Rods.
So did he say that a quistent moon and a
star symbol?

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
I think he did.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Yeah, that's isn't that Islam? Isn't that? That's on the
the the pretty?

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Sure it is right? I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
I don't think rod looked too much into it. He
just saw a pretty lady on the street with a
tetto and said, I like the looker here and that tattoo. Yeah,
let's see if I get one. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number two call. If you've
got a tatoo or you've put it off, tell us
your story. Geto William.

Speaker 27 (01:31:42):
I just want to say you're never too old to
get a tattoo. You know, I'm any ancient now approaching
eighty and in fact, in fact, I went into an
antique up and Dominion road the other day. They wouldn't
let me out. I just think it's good, you know,
considering how much time I got left. There's a value
for money. So I put my AGENTO swing yesterday and

(01:32:04):
I said, sorry, how much time have I got? Suri
just changed the subject but I am I am thinking
of of getting one.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Guys, you never I like that idea that because there's
one way people looking about going that. A testa was
there with the you've got it for life, So then
it's a risky thing to do. But you're saying, am
I going to get that fairly for money? Now? It's
an exam opposite way to look at it.

Speaker 27 (01:32:28):
I drew it out on paper the other day, so
I know what I'm getting.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
What are you getting?

Speaker 27 (01:32:32):
I'm getting my home address. Because you get old, you
start to get.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
So William, are you a stand up comedian? What's this is?
This is some high level coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
This is some good content.

Speaker 27 (01:32:49):
I can't do that for very long.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Guys, give that man a microphone and get him on stage.
There's some good materials.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
That's the best call we've ever got.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
This is fantastic.

Speaker 9 (01:33:01):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
We'll give you a call back, William. Great material from William,
just line after line or.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
The quickness you a stand up comedian? I can really
stand up? Yeah mate, that is that is great. I'm
sixty three. Statistics always wanted a big dragon and a pickaxo.
Someone back got them awesome. Took years to find the
right ones. But I'm glad I did. The partner's young
kids used to like to come them in.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Okay, right, that's empty. Keep those things coming through on
nine to nine two. There's plenty coming through. But we've
got the headlines hot on our tails, so we'll get
to that. But taking your calls on our eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you haven't got a tattoo,
what was the reason? And if you're a little bit
younger and you're tattooed up, we can hear from you
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
And where's William performing next?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Exactly? I want tickets. It is twenty seven past three.

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Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Thank you very much, Raylean. It is twenty nine to form.
We're talking about ten two's. They're ramping up in younger generations.
If that's you I one hundred and eighty ten eighty now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Ozzy Osborne famously had some ideas you wouldn't expect around tattoos.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
If if you want any advice from me about tattoos,
it should be somebody in unique don't have a tattoo,
because everybody and their friend has got tattoo.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
If my father went insane, it's not all that, but
he could.

Speaker 18 (01:35:30):
I thought he was going to show me a picture
of a.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Oh I miss him. I miss him?

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
Yes, But I mean that's so true, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Because a tattoo back in probably gen X and even millennial,
it was almost like a rebellious thing that I'm going
to do this because other people haven't done it. But
is that kind of reversed?

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Well, as your husband for someone that says that you
shouldn't have tattoos if you want to stand out. He's
got o z z y across his knuckles. He's got Sharon.
He's got a red hooded ghul or a vampire skull.
He's got a blue dragon with red flames. He's got
Mom and Pop. He's got a stick man figure. He's
got the word thanks. He's got happy faces on both knees.
He's just got goal with a knife through it. He's
got a dagger with an Aussie banner on it. He's

(01:36:11):
got a bat carrying a woman's face and head. He's
got a demon's face.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
And that's just some of them, right, Okay, just pick
them all, so he said, he said a few oh
one hundred and eighty to eighties number to call, and
if you want to see the text through nineteen nine two,
is that number? Roger.

Speaker 10 (01:36:24):
You hate them, Hi, guys, I hate them with a passion.

Speaker 17 (01:36:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:36:28):
I lived on the Gold Coast for about ten years.
About ten years ago I came back here. But my
morning habit was to run down the beach should and
then have a swim. But running down that beach for
a quarter of and hour twins and you're passing all
these gorgeous young women some covenant tattoos mostly most of
them had them, and.

Speaker 29 (01:36:46):
It looks disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

Speaker 23 (01:36:50):
What the hell are they going to be like when
they grow old? And so, I mean, honestly, I understand
traditional tattoos, like the mayors and that that sort of thing.
That's fine, But for Europeans to cover themselves in tattoos
is an utter disgrace. And my belief what.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
About what about Viking tattoos? Because the Vikings are into tattoos,
weren't they or the Celtic tattoos years ago?

Speaker 28 (01:37:12):
But it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
Well, whether those were those ladies on the Gold Coast
looking at you in there when you ran past, going
I like a bit of I like a bit of Roger,
as you were checking out tattoos.

Speaker 10 (01:37:26):
I'd like to think so probably instead.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
A few more, Roger, maybe if you just sleaves done.

Speaker 23 (01:37:35):
Yes, when I see David Beckham, you know, and his
next covenant tattoos and probably goes down his back, and
then of course his kids have all got them, Oh gosh,
what's the point.

Speaker 17 (01:37:47):
Just that's the point.

Speaker 13 (01:37:48):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
I'll tell you what I think. David beckhaman not only tattoos,
but looking at him at that England Norway game in
Miami on the weekend. He's had a lot of plastic
surgery as well. He's got a very it's not even
that old. He's got a very strange facial expression.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
What a type faces, not much flexibility.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Thanks for your call, Roger.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you've got a tattoo.

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
What have you gotten? If you haven't got one, why the.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Next generation won't think tattoos a cool after the parents
are covered in them. I mean, that's that's probably true.
That's probably true. This is a nice story. Though I
had breast cancer and reconstruction at forty and two years ago.
I have a tattoo. Of my favorite flowers to cover
my scarring.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Oh yeah, so good on you there. Yeah, and you
can't you can't know one die on those. That's got
a lot of meaning behind it. This one says, Okay, guys,
great topic. I think the Beace way is probably just
to buy a T shirt and if you're sick of it,
you can go buy another one. It's coming from a
fifty one year old something in that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wonder I don't know I've
got a anchor on my shoulder. I mean I could
have just got a T shirt with an anchor.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Could yeah? Yeah, all right, keep those things coming through
on nine two, nine two and taking your calls, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, it is twenty five to.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Four matteath Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adam's
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Very good afternoon to you were talking about tattoos. This
new research out that shows younger generations are the ones
with the tats. If that is you, we're keen to
hear from you. But if you are millennial or Gen
X and you've never got a tattoo. Why tell us, kiddy,
Welcome to the show your thoughts. Hey, guys, So.

Speaker 18 (01:39:28):
I'm a millennial and I've only got one small tattoo
at the back of my neck, and it was I
got it done about sixteen years ago with a couple
of my best friends. It's the Celtic symbol for sisterhood.
My mum, she's a baby boomer. She's sixty six and
she's got well over thirty tatoo. Oh wow, she's still going.

Speaker 15 (01:39:52):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Did you know how old she was when she started
getting tattoos? Could he?

Speaker 18 (01:39:56):
I would say very young? Maybe like twemmys, right, really
twemming right?

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
And what's her most what's her most recent? If you
don't mind me?

Speaker 18 (01:40:04):
Has she's got cultural she's got she's passed out of
tongue and so she's got these two sting rays on
the front of her legs.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Nice like the front of her legs.

Speaker 18 (01:40:18):
She's got sharks on the back of your legs. She's
got a light liss up on her eye. She's got
a woman with her shield on one arm.

Speaker 19 (01:40:25):
She's got a full sleeve on the other arm.

Speaker 18 (01:40:28):
You've got she's got the British flag she's got rovers Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
How do you feel? How do you feel about them?
When you look at mum with these the sweet TETs.

Speaker 18 (01:40:40):
Oh, we've had to tell her to stop, like she's
posts up on our family chat. Look, I'm thinking of
getting this, and we're like, Mom, don't you think you've
got enough?

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
And how do I ask?

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
How do I ask this delicately? But how does the
skin in terms of tattooing, change over the years, Because
you know, when you're twenty, you've got like nice tight skins.
As you get older, your skin might be a little
bit less. I don't know, robust, I know.

Speaker 18 (01:41:09):
Well, I think the tatoo artists would be best to
answer that, But I do know I took it and
get your eyebrows tatooed and by one of my friends,
and she was saying how difficult it is when the eyebrows,
when the skin's so loose, right, it's really hard to
tato and get them even so I'd say that in

(01:41:32):
a pie all over.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Really, Yeah, how old she did you say? Sixty eight?

Speaker 10 (01:41:39):
Sixty six?

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
She's not that old.

Speaker 18 (01:41:41):
No, no, she's not that old. But yeah, we're polar opposite.
I mean, we've got I've got eight sisters, three brothers,
and none of us really.

Speaker 12 (01:41:50):
Have tatos of them.

Speaker 18 (01:41:53):
Yeah, she's got plenty. She's got more than enough for
all of us. My son, he's seventeen and he wants
a tado, but he only wants a tamil court and
he's you know, he won't get it for a while yet.
But he's really thoughtful. He doesn't just want anything, you know,

(01:42:16):
he really wants to think about it carefully and get
something meaningful.

Speaker 19 (01:42:19):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
That's es an interialing idea of how tatoos would change
with age, because I mentioned if you had faces of
portraits of people, because some tattoos would be fine, they
just change a little bit. But if you've got someone's
well known face, as you get into your seventies, there
might be a very different looking person with you.

Speaker 28 (01:42:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Agree, Hey, thank you, thank you so much for your call,
and tell your mum to go hard and get as
many TETs as you wants.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Rock and Grandma love it, Kettie, Thank you very much.
One hundred and eighty ten eighties, And I'm going to
call Lockey. How are you?

Speaker 12 (01:42:53):
Yeah, good fellas, how are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
You got your first tattoo pretty young.

Speaker 12 (01:42:58):
Yeah, yeah, twelve years old was on my first one?

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Oh wow?

Speaker 9 (01:43:01):
And what was that?

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
And were your parents happy about it?

Speaker 22 (01:43:05):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:43:05):
They helped me get it all right?

Speaker 9 (01:43:07):
What is that? What was it?

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Locky?

Speaker 12 (01:43:08):
It was just it was just my last name on
my forum?

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
Oh yeah, but it was.

Speaker 12 (01:43:12):
One of those things Mom and dad were, you know,
having a bit of bed regenas And I said I
want a tattoo, thinking of when in one day had
the other next thing, you know, weekend comes. Are you
really I was like, well, you don't want a tattoo?
I said, oh yeah, good. Anyway, the tattoo done brand
mind boys, I was in primary school still wow, winter

(01:43:32):
school and I if you are walked, I made sure
I showed everyone the tatoo so they knew I had
a tatoo.

Speaker 17 (01:43:37):
Shot, so walked with my arm.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
Like out right, and so whereabouts on the arm? Was
it lucky?

Speaker 18 (01:43:43):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (01:43:44):
Not my forum? Inside of my forum.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Sorry, that's quite that's quite a painful because I've got
a tattoo there. It's actually for your first tattoo, that's
actually very sensitive area to have it done. Lucky.

Speaker 12 (01:43:56):
It is very sensitive. I mean, people tell you tattoos.
Don't they hurt us?

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
All?

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Yeah, but it's the weird thing of that tattoos though,
And tell me if you agreed that it kind of
hurts at the time, but afterwards feels so good that
it's kind of part.

Speaker 13 (01:44:09):
Of it one percent.

Speaker 12 (01:44:12):
And I mean I'm pretty chatted up now, but when
I put it on my shoulder, it felt like it
was on my neck.

Speaker 9 (01:44:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Right, And so what was the response when you got
because that's quite a visible place if you're wearing a
T shirt. What was the general response being a twelve
year old.

Speaker 12 (01:44:26):
With tet Well, first of all, I got called tatoo boy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
The creativity of kids.

Speaker 19 (01:44:35):
And then yeah, and.

Speaker 12 (01:44:37):
Then a lot of well, especially teachers and a lot
of you know, the older folks. Hey, Roger didn't really
like it. So but they said, you know, like their
rubs off. I said, no, it doesn't. And then from
there and I was pretty addicted to them. And yeah,
twenty four now and still getting them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
Yeah. And so have you got neck tattoos at all?
Visible tattoos outside of a shirt kind of situation?

Speaker 28 (01:45:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:45:01):
Yeah, so my both my arms are done. Yeah, but
I would never go on my hands and I'll never
go up my neck, but I've got them behind my
just so I can cover them stuff I wear a
suit or something, you can hide them kind of thing. Yeah,
But I just feel like the stories, right, But when
you get to a certain age, how.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Many fool does it have to be for you to
get a tattoo? You know, like does it have to
mean something? Because the first one obviously is your last name,
so that was representing your family, all of them.

Speaker 12 (01:45:28):
More meaningful, they got a meaning to them. They're just
got a stick man carrying there before.

Speaker 6 (01:45:34):
Nothing wrong with it, lucky, you don't nothing wrong.

Speaker 12 (01:45:37):
With it, honestly. But I feel like, you know, for
the younger generation, I'm a gen z myself, go for
gold because you know, you don't want to get to
like Roger's age and be like, oh I wish I
got it done.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
Yeah, and it was or who was it was a
William the stand up comedian that rang him before. He
was saying, you want value for money, so you get
them done at You'll tell you got done at twelve.
That's that's value for money across your life. How long
it's with you for?

Speaker 12 (01:46:01):
Oh, one hundred percent? And you know, yeah, like I said,
it's a story and it's cool when people come up
to your NWS show, what does that mean? And this
means that's listening to that good on.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
You're lucky things for Carling.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Nine nine two is the text number. But Dave, you
got your first tattoo in your mid forties.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
I did.

Speaker 28 (01:46:19):
I did.

Speaker 26 (01:46:19):
Indeed, it's a you know, I spent my life. I'm
nothing against tattoos, but I am you know, I just
couldn't never decide what I wanted to get. And my
wife and I went away for a week into Wanaka
one of those weekends, and I decided we were well,

(01:46:41):
let's get me a tattoo. And we went to the
tatoo parlor and I found this little swallow, which I liked.
It signifies protection over my family. And my wife said, ah,
if you get it, I'll get it, and I was like, Okay,
I'll go first. So I got it done on the
inside of my forearm. That she was a new tattoos.

(01:47:02):
It's just kind of slows. It took a while, and
by the time we got to the end of the tatoo,
my wife was like, and I don't really like that, Dame.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
I decided not.

Speaker 9 (01:47:13):
To get it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:16):
So how did you feel about that, Dave?

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
Did you just let it? Let it fly?

Speaker 9 (01:47:20):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:47:20):
It was a bit gutted, but you know, I like
the tattoo, so it's okay.

Speaker 26 (01:47:24):
It stuck with me, but I still have he up
about it.

Speaker 13 (01:47:27):
I'm like, you know, you owe me.

Speaker 12 (01:47:29):
You never got it.

Speaker 26 (01:47:30):
I got you said you're going to get it, and
he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
But you've but you've gone on because that was your
first tattoo, so you've had.

Speaker 26 (01:47:36):
More, Well, my children's I've added my kids' names, so
that that got underside of the swallow. I've got two tattoos.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
Basically cool, Good on you, Dave Quentin, welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (01:47:51):
Gooday, how I am?

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
So you've got a few TETs mate, Yeah, I've got.

Speaker 11 (01:47:56):
A fall back pat and a sleeve and the other
arm as an egle on legs and the thigh and yeah,
just carries on. It's quite a few.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
Have you had your shin's done at all? I reckon?
That would be the most painful Your.

Speaker 11 (01:48:11):
Foot I've had, yeah, right on the right the end
of my foot.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
Yeah, what have you got on your foot?

Speaker 11 (01:48:17):
It's just a tribal tatoo?

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
Oh yeah? Oh yeah? And and what other ones? What's
what other tests have you got? Are there any that
you've got all these tests? What anyones you regret?

Speaker 11 (01:48:27):
Well, the ones I regret I've tatooed over. I've had
other tattoos tattooed over top of them. And basically when
I was young, you know, it was a bit more
stupid than now.

Speaker 9 (01:48:40):
Now.

Speaker 11 (01:48:41):
Oh, Celtic history, So there's quite a lot of Celtic
stuff on my back and that, and there's percentage of
Viking in me as well. So there's a couple of
Viking tatoos.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
And how often are you seeing your back tattoos? Are
you are? Because you're just going around. I haven't seen
my back and years there might be a tattoo on there.
I've got no idea. You know you're getting enjoyment out
of their back tattoos.

Speaker 11 (01:49:05):
Well, yeah, people comment on a lot in the pools.
A lot of people like it, you know, so they
comment on it, and I see it every now and
again in the mirror or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
But for the people, not for you that that's when
you've given to the world generous in your back ten.

Speaker 11 (01:49:19):
Well, you know, it was weird as Scottish herits right,
and the tribe that we were from. They were the
only Scottish tribe that tadoo there themselves for war. Oh yeah, right,
so I had a little bit of history to it.

Speaker 13 (01:49:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Well, I mean in that whole area, you've got the Vikings,
the Scottish, it's all. You know, there was a lot
of hanging out between the Scottish and the Norwegians obviously
so close together.

Speaker 11 (01:49:43):
Yeah, but there's also the front there's a PlayStation tadoo.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
And PlayStation one or what.

Speaker 11 (01:49:50):
Well, yeah, the original player.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Now there was good times with the PS one.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Yeah, there's no no, no credibility in getting the PlayStation five.
It's going to be Yeah, all that good on you, Quentin.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Yeah, I appreciate you call one hundred and eighty ten
eighties number to call. I thought we've got time with
for Patrick.

Speaker 22 (01:50:10):
You know, mate, you know, how are you today?

Speaker 17 (01:50:13):
Very well?

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
What do you got?

Speaker 28 (01:50:15):
I'm a boomer Originally I was conceived in forty five,
born in February forty six.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
Oh yep, that's that's solid boomer.

Speaker 28 (01:50:23):
Yeah, and I've got a tattoo. It's a frog, a
comic frog with a stupid grin on his face and
he's sitting on the water lily or lily pad, and
above him and big letters is D in R what
d do not resuscitate? And below him is a little

(01:50:47):
scroll that says let me croak?

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Right, So you know is that a legal legally?

Speaker 28 (01:50:58):
No, Well, we've done it all and spoke to lawyers
and doctors and.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Things, and good on your patrick. I like that, Yeah,
I like that. But you know, if I find you,
I'll probably resist take you anyway?

Speaker 28 (01:51:11):
What would we come back? And bloody haunt?

Speaker 13 (01:51:14):
Thanks you cool?

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Yeah, thank you very much. All right, got to play
some messages, but we'll take maybe one or two more calls.
It is eleven to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
It'd be news talks, it be. So we're talking about
tattoos after new research shows younger generations are the ones
with the most This teaches, says kiddy guys. Two tattoo stories. One,
I have a friend who has the entire one hundred
acre wood and all the Winnie the Pooh characters on
his back. The second story, my kid's father had a
spiderweb on his arm and elbow, and the elbow is
solid color. And in thirty years I've only ever seen

(01:51:52):
one other person with us because it's so painful. And
about twenty five years ago, he was on a train
platform in London going to notting Hill Carnival where there's
maybe a million people and two platforms over we heard
a man shelter his name and this guy had recognized
my husband's tattoo on his arm being so unusual on
his elbow. Wow, there you care.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
That is a distinctive tata.

Speaker 6 (01:52:12):
It certainly is.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Darryl.

Speaker 6 (01:52:15):
Tell us what mate, tell us about your tattoos?

Speaker 24 (01:52:18):
Yeah, so I've got one arm done. The first part
of it was done Brighton in the UK. It was
actually a Marie tattoo, an English artist who had studied
in New Zealand, and it was just the top part
of the arm first, and that was sort of two
thousand and two, I think two thousand and one, and
then sort of twenty odd years later I decided to

(01:52:38):
get the entire arm done by an artist in Auckland
and it was really cool because I kind of did
it originally as a bit of a you know, I
wanted to be reminded of home. And then I wanted
to add to my families from the Cook Islands. Part
of my family are so I wanted an influence in there.
So the artist was able to put a section in

(01:52:59):
there which is from an island called Archew, where my
family are from, and.

Speaker 10 (01:53:04):
It's got little birds in it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
That's really cool.

Speaker 24 (01:53:08):
Yeah, painful experience.

Speaker 17 (01:53:12):
That's for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:53:13):
Eight hours, any breaks if anyone, yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:53:18):
Yeah, one or two breaks, and if anyone says that
it doesn't hurt it, it hurts.

Speaker 17 (01:53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Yeah, and so that must be That's that's very meaningful,
isn't it. So twenty years later, you know you're adding
to it, and there's a lot of thought between the
changes in your life image, between those tech the updatings
of the tattoos. Daryl.

Speaker 24 (01:53:37):
Yeah, I think when you're younger, you don't really think
about your culture too much, and then as you get
older you really start to appreciate it. Yeah, and yeah,
it was really cool to have something there that reminds
me of where the families come from. And so yeah,
trying to find someone that could actually do something like
that was really hard as well. Yeah, So Cook Island

(01:53:58):
tattoos are not really that well known, so trying to
find an artist that can do both is quite good.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
Yeah, great story, Darryl, thank you for sharing that with us.
I've got a bald head and got rabbits tattooed on
it so that from a distance they may look like
I have here since this text.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Good strategy from a distance anyway. Yeah, right, that is
where we'll leave it. Thank you to for everyone who
to for giving us a call. That was a great conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
Yeah, thanks so much for listening and thanks for all
your calls and texts. Andrew Dickens is in for Heather
duper Se Allen and so there won't be any more
developments on Crumbgate unfortunately. And after four pm he has
the CEO of New Zealand Ski Paul Anderson, on how
this snow season is going ahead of an uncertain future
for the industry. But right now, Tyler, my good friends,

(01:54:47):
why am I playing this nineteen eighty song from pretty
much my favorite band, The Clash from their third studio
album London Calling.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I got no idea again, Matt Heath my first day
back mate, you give me an absolute curly one. Is
it something in the lyrics.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
Because Tyler the song is called train in Vain, right,
and were talking about the flashy extras on the CRL
that people are complaining about. According to some of the
nine car setup is six tree train carriages in Vain.
Very good comparing to other similar setups and places like Copenhagen.

(01:55:23):
So some trains in Vain.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
Well played, mate, There was actually a situp. I should
have got that one. Shame all right, you seem busy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:31):
Said We'll let you go. We'll be back live nationwide
tomorrow afternoon. Until then, give them a takes to Keywind.
What a great song.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
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