Full Show Podcast: 13 May 2026

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You're listening he too, Matt, I'm doing good things. Tyler,
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That's a big decision actually, So what are the options.
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Right at the front, so when you first open the
drive you see the tap with the big hose casing, okay, yeah,
or just around the corner's Option A or Option B.

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I got to say, well, you've got to have it
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you were carefully men cure him for a long time.

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Either way, either way, it'll be on my lawn. Look,
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eighty ten, eighty nine to nine, to.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Jeez, your good mate, profession right to today's show. It
is a doozy for you. After three o'clock we want
to talk about ozempic. But this is after Greg Davies,
very very well known comedian, one of the hosts of
Task Masker in the UK. He has opened up about
a struggle he faced after a three stone weight loss
with that particular drug. The fifty seven year old turned
to ozempic after receiving a warning from his doctor. So

(02:06):
the task Master presents a city opted for the medication
after his doctor warned he would look obese if it
weren't for his six foot eight inch frame, But after
shitting the pounds, he actually decided to stop using the medication.
Speaking to The Times, he said, I quote, three stone
fell off me, which is close to twenty kilo, but
I didn't really like it. It made me a bit gaunt.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, there's a lot of people that have lost a
lot of weight and then they're surprised that it doesn't
make them feel happy. So we want to talk about
that you lost a lot of weight on a zimpic
or the like, how are you feeling now? Interesting supplementary question.
A stone? So a stone is the way people used
to weigh themselves. Right about six cag is it? Yes? Yeah,

(02:48):
about six point three. Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
It is very interesting. There must be history there. They
must have found back in the day some sort of
stone that they realized, Okay, that stone is now going
to be the particular measurement.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, right, So what would I be? I'd be that's interesting.
I'd be like twelve stone or something. Thirteen stone.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, it's always used when people either put on or
lose weight.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, you lost a couple of stone. Yeah sounds good.
I just haven't heard it for a long time. Yeah, yeah,
just go back to it. I prefer Yeah, me too,
So losing three he's lost three stone, but it hasn't
made him as happy as he thought it would. See,
this is what I think it's like. If you use
AI to you know, write a paper or something, or
write an email. It gets it done, but you haven't
put the work in, so you don't feel great. You don't.

(03:31):
You can't. You can't get the high of the satisfaction
of doing the job. Well, yeah, right, a lot, because
you've taken the shortcut, right. Yeah. So true contentment comes
from fulfillment doing something fulfilling. So if you've worked really
hard to lose that three stone, then you can go
I've worked really hard. If you've just taken some injections

(03:51):
to lose it, does it? Do you think that might
be one of the reasons why more and more people
that are losing this weight on his impact of finding
themselves unhappy after they've done it.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I think you could be onto something. But that is
the conversation after three o'clock. After two o'clock, Jerry Steinfeld,
another well known comedian, isn't interested in driving electric cars.
So the comedian fame is for a classic car collection
claimed recently that driving an electric car is more of
a virtual signal than anything else. He said, I quote,
I'm not interested in electric cars at all. This is
an interview with the email. Anybody who wants to do it,

(04:21):
that's fine. I think it's a big stupid virtual signal.
Look at me, I'm saving the planet. Yeah, what about lithium?
It's all BS.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Are you saying virtual signal? I virtual signaling? You mean
a virtue signal? Oh? Yeah, so it's a virtue signal.
So he's saying that people get these evs and they
drive around to signal that they're virtuous to people when
rarely the environmental benefits a BS. Thank you. Not virtual.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
He's not online and they're not online. It's virtue, yes,
spot on.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So what are you thinking about evs right now? A
bunch of people jumped on board with the EV's recently
we keep hearing stats that they're selling more and more
of them, are around the price of fuel at the moment.
But what do you reckon? Is it just a big
virtue signal? Is that what evs are? Yeah? I don't know,
one hundred and eighty ten eighties and I'm gonna call one.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
I love them.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
One thing I will say is that the more EV
if one becomes, the less cool it is.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I think you'll get a lot of support on that one. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
So when it was you know, naturally aspirated V eight
of V tens very cool, yep. Fifty to fifty EV
combustion engine not cool. Yeah. In fact, they're going back
to sixty forty I believe in twenty twenty seven. Yeah,
So does that that plan to it? I think I
think people naturally understand that a combustion engine is cooler, yeah,

(05:44):
than an EV. Something about the sound and the smell
and the gas garzline. Yeah, it's just cooler.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, looking forward to your thoughts on that after two o'clock,
because right now, let's have a chat about bounce of behaviors.
The police are investigating and it leads to sault involving
a couple of bounces at the famous Grouse and Lincoln
that's near christ Jews. This is after video footage has
been posted online showing two about bouncers allegedly kicking, pushing,
and striking an eighteen year old who was in the
pope obviously having a few drinks. According to witnesses, the

(06:11):
team had reportedly dropped the glass before being forcibly removed
from the venue, so the footage then shows the confrontation
continuing on the street as the young man backed away.
Pub co owner Sean McNabb he said, the venue is
conducting its own internal review and police have now been
informed as well.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
To CCTV has definitely changed the situation around bouncing, hasn't it.
It used to be he said, She said, and one
of you was really really drunk. But now now there
is the footage, right, yeah, So what do you think
about bouncing in New Zealand? Do they often go too far?
What's it like to be out on the street. Have

(06:50):
you had a bad experience with a bouncer? Because it's
not an easy job, right, you know, obviously they can
go too far. But standing on the street dealing with
drunk dickheads all day, oh yeah, all night? I mean ye,
generally speaking, not a great time.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
It would break a lot of people. But what do
you say, oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Also?

Speaker 2 (07:08):
How far is too far? When it comes to what
bounces could and should do when it comes to someone
causing a bit of chaos. Ninet two ninety two is
the text number as well. It is thirteen past one.
We'll be back very shortly the.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks. That'd be.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Sixteen past one. So we've asked the question how far
should bouncers be able to go to remove someone who's
been unruly in a bar. This was after police are
investigating an incident at the Famous Grouse in Lincoln near
christ Chutch. There's video that has been posted online of
this particular incidence. Effectively, the eighteen year old was alleged
to have dropped the glass. The bouncers took him outside,

(07:50):
then allegedly kicked and punched him. And I think, Matt,
you've got that video up right now and are having
a watch right.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah. So the video starts with the bounces, the two bounces,
but gentlemen forcibly removing him from the bar. They've got
around the shoulders, so they take for the bar. They
push them through roughly through the doors, then then roughly
out onto the street, then push them over onto the
ground over by a little garden. He tries to get up,

(08:19):
and they kick him a couple of times, okay from
what we can see, and then stand over him while
he's lying on the ground. He tries to get up again.
They throw him down again or push him down again.
He gets up again, and they throw him down very
roughly onto what looks like a bench, and then that's
the end of the video. So it seems to me
that he's outside of the venue, right once they've removed

(08:43):
the threat, so to speak. Yeah, because I understand that
that's what's supposed to happen, right, only the minimum force
necessary proportionate to the threat or resistance, and stopping once
compliance is achieved. Yes, So he's not really in a
position watching this footage. I mean, there's so much more
around it, you know. You just get these videos and
they start and they end at a certain point, and

(09:04):
often if you see the whole thing, it's a bit different.
But that point, you've got to say, he's out on
the ground and he's trying to get up and you
push them down again, does look a little bit like
you're going beyond just you know, the minimum force. It does.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, but as you say, I mean, what justification would
there be? And I'm just watching the video now, But
you're right, these contexts that are missing in this particular video.
But whether that context would matter in this situation, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't know. Well, I don't think the bounce is
allowed to you know, we don't know anything about the
situation legally. You know, we're just watching a video that's
been posted.

Speaker 7 (09:38):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
But once you're kicking someone on the ground, it kind
of moves into a different realm, doesn't it. Yeah, I
think you're right.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
But what do you say, O one hundred and eighty
ten to eighty if you are a bouncer yourself, or
you've had to run them with a bouncer, tell us
your story.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Get a ray.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
Jo Tyler Matt. I just I was just thinking this
is waiting to speak with you. I'm probably not in
the right order for your for your conversation, because I
do come from the dawn of perspective and being involved
in the security industry and in particular crowd control for
around thirty years.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Some of the perfect Yeah.

Speaker 8 (10:17):
So look, I'll just give you a couple of couple
of opinions quickly, just based on the information you provided.

Speaker 9 (10:25):
You know, we have a.

Speaker 10 (10:28):
Saying.

Speaker 8 (10:28):
You know, I think it's generally common sense. It walks
like a duck and cracks like a duck. It might
just be a ploody duck, you know. And when it
comes to excessive use of force, you know, there's not
a lot of context contexts that would really orant that
type of behavior. I think first and foremost we need
to understand that dormant generally speaking, you know, this has

(10:51):
changed a lot over the years. You've gone from an
unregulated occupation in New Zealand up until twenty twelve, where
you didn't have to have a license and it was
really you know, first impression and or good judgment on
the on the half of the proprietors to engage with
these people. And then sometimes it's just a little bit

(11:13):
of trial and error. But first and foremost we need
to understand that dormant are not doing this to nothing.
They're giving up their weekends to come out and look
after people having a good time. The other thing is
that people work hard to their money. These days. We
all know hard is to make a dollar now going
out and spend thirteen fourteen dollars on a Heineken. They

(11:35):
have the right to feel locked after So I think
that's it's a very good premise to start a conversation
from a dormant perspective. Generally, you're always going to have
a few bad apples.

Speaker 11 (11:45):
Now.

Speaker 8 (11:46):
The other thing I think that when it comes to
being a good dormant is temperament. There's two words that
come to mind, particularly when when I hear people say
in security, I know you can't do anything, You've got
just the same CAUs as as someone else. Well, no,
that's not the case because since regulation, there's mandatory training.
There's also licensing, which means you've gone through a government

(12:07):
security you know that you must must be a person
of good standings even enter into the industry, and you
start with it on a temporary license. I have my
own opinions on the licensing structure structure, but that's okay.
But the two words I'm mentioning is reasonable and proportionate.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, so how do you how do you because that's
that's that's a term you exactly right rate that pops
up everywhere. Reasonable force? So how do you determine what
reasonable forces? See?

Speaker 8 (12:34):
This comes back to simple things. As you can appreciate,
it is ultimately training first and foremost. You know, thereafter
experience we tend to you know, with experience start to
build better judgment. But in the meantime, you know, training
and then thereafter super vision and ultimately management is a
big part of it. You know, your team knowing from

(12:54):
the outset what they can and what they can't do.
As you as you're rightfully said, you know everything is
these days, you have to imagine that everything you do
is on camera. If it's not on if it's not
on the lamp post, it's coming out of someone's pocket. Yeah, yeah,
and I'll end up on YouTube. You know, you've got
you've got three different levels of licenses. You've got your
personal license, you're still get of approval, your company's license

(13:18):
ultimately as a provider to provide you for money to
do a job. And then thereafter, if you know, you
potentially could end up with a criminal conviction if you
have been excessive. So back back to the earlier point,
but just on reasonable proportionate. But we're talking about an
industry that is under the influence and as the night

(13:40):
goes on, depending on the age of the demographic we're
dealing with, you know, behave behavior changes as the night
goes on, you know, talking about people that are under
the influence, you know, whether it be a no alcohol
or substance. So you know, generally speaking, after eleven o'clock,
people stop listening. People stop listening, So you do need
to start guiding people towards the doors, and your tone

(14:00):
does start to change from being a little bit more
welcoming and customer service lokures to a little bit more
seritive when those boundaries are encroached on. But respect respecting
you again, you need to you need to think that
everything you're doing is being watched on camera. All these eyewitnesses.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Well, it's an interesting thing, ray because most people's job
don't involve everyone knows how chaotic and drunk people are.
If you go out sober of a night, you run
into drunk people and they're talking to you, think, how
does this possible that this is not going to go
terribly wrong? Because they're not making any sense, They're they're
they're incapacitated in a number of ways. How is it

(14:37):
to stand at a door and deal with people that
are so irrational and you know, some of them can
be potentially be violent. They're up in your face, they're
they're they're cutting through all kinds of social boundaries. They're
not going away when you said they need to go away.

Speaker 12 (14:53):
What is that like?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Because I imagine after five or six hours of you know,
three or four hours out of that, you'd start to
get a bit angry.

Speaker 8 (15:00):
Oh well, I think I agree, And that's how regular
people might feel. But those that are conditioned to the industry. Again,
I think it comes back to your implement and you
know what you'd expect from a license professional. Now, if
you were to pull yourself out of your body and
elevate yourself above the situation, what would you expect from
someone dealing with that situation? And if you use that

(15:21):
as a rule of thumb, generally speaking, you're going to
be there or thereabouts. What if it was your son,
what if it was your daughter in the way she
was being handled, would you feel that was appropriate?

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Now?

Speaker 8 (15:31):
Sometimes generally speaking, that people were very good. I use
with my teams the word asserted. You know, you need
to be able to change your channels to match the environment,
and as the night goes on, you may need to
become more assertive, and that can be in your body language,
in the tone you take, and ultimately you know that
there's you adjusting the degree of torrance. Because as the

(15:53):
night goes on again we wanted people have a good time,
You're going to adjust a degree of torrance different to
what it would have been in daylight, for example, so
late from the night. Otherwise you're not going to be
a business owned are you.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
It's a nuance, I mean, is it every a mean
what percentage of bouncers are able to operate with that
level of nuance?

Speaker 8 (16:13):
Ray, Well, it's it's a numbers game and there's there's
no sort of bullets. But as I said that, the
temperament on something I'm very fussy towards is temperament in
our dormant And you could look across all of our
dormant and the one thing that got in common is
good temperament. Do not take anything personal. These people under
the influence, are they having a good time? Direct into
the uniform. It's not towards you personally. Absolutely, it is

(16:37):
hard to do, but that is that is the conditions
of being a license professional. It's not not for everyone.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
You say that your licensed professional, what kind of pay
are You're getting as a bouncer to deal with this
incredibly complicated situation.

Speaker 10 (16:51):
Well, you know.

Speaker 8 (16:55):
It's it does vary across the industry, but I'm firmly
of the mind and my team will tell you that
if you're going to give up your weekends and come
and work and look after people in those tops and environments,
I want it to be in the best thing benus
ultimately as medium to low risk as possible, and for
good money, and you get what you pay for. The

(17:15):
more you spend and the more you invest in people,
the more structure, training and support you give them, the
less turnover you're going to have, the more consistently you're
going to have consistency you're going to have in your operation.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, thank you so much, Ray, Ray, good on you.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I just think, I mean, Ray sounds like the best
of the best when it comes to bounces. Right, He's
got a team, he's very professional, But I'd argue.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
He's got a philosophy.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
He's got a philosophy. He takes it very seriously, as
he should. But I still think and I know there
was regulations that came in about ten years ago, but
it sounds like there's still for lack of a better word,
cowboys out there. Let's say, young beefed up guys who
look the part, but they can't control their emotions. Like Ray,
have you witnessed that sort of stuff?

Speaker 13 (17:51):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (17:52):
E one hundred eighty ten and eighty Yeah, damn. I
want to ask Ray another question, but now he's gone.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Coming up next to Actually, we're going to have a
chat to Sharon and she reckons she's got some more
context on this particular situation.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
So we'll have a chat to her in a few minutes.
It's twenty six past one. How much to bouncers get paid?
It varies, but I would like to if you know
what's the range? Yeah, what's the range?

Speaker 14 (18:14):
Now?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Minimum wage up? Obviously you're not going to be out
on the street for minimum wage A yeah, flick as
of teax nine two nine two here yourself.

Speaker 7 (18:21):
Think it's a mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (18:23):
Judith Collins is farewell Parliament, of course, Judith Collins, as
well as what's your observation to the brain power in
the place over the last twenty four years and whether
it's gone down?

Speaker 7 (18:31):
No, I don't think it has gone down.

Speaker 14 (18:33):
I think it's just a different sort of brain power
and different experiences. But there's some very intelligent people in
Parliament and some very good, hardworking people. I was talking
to some of them yesterday afternoon after my speech.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
They try their best.

Speaker 14 (18:47):
I don't know of people who go to Parliament just
to think it's some sort of jolly. They almost always
believe that they're going to make a positive difference. I
don't doubt their sincerity.

Speaker 15 (18:58):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News talk.

Speaker 16 (19:02):
Z B.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Twenty nine past once we are talking about bouncer behavior.
We have had call from Sharon who can give a
bit more context on this particular situation.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Can I Sharon?

Speaker 17 (19:15):
Oh, hi, am I on the air.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
You are you certainly are welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (19:20):
Hey, yeah, just a little bit of the soo. I
was down at Lincoln last week. I thought it goes
to UNI there and friends of ours, the son had
their twenty fives. Not that day, they said that night
before and got a call from the police to say,
just watch out, we've got this. This is really unruly.

(19:42):
Well there's a problem with a bunch of first yeah,
Lincoln students and just you know, just watch out for them,
you know, they're they're getting into trouble all over the place.
And it's the same group who the famous Grouse had
banned recently because one of them had broken a glass

(20:02):
and when it's not funny and stuck it in a
bounce as eye. So that was a few weeks ago,
and so it was just really more sort of like,
you know the place, we're aware of these kids obviously
highly embarrassed, and I'm aware of it. So there's a
lot of stuff going on about it, and it's just

(20:23):
really to give me some background context. I haven't seen
the video and you know, so yeah, there's a lot
of stuff going on.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
But say, even if there is a lot of stuff
going on, and thank you for sharing that with us,
do you still think there's a limit of what the
Bounces should do? So whatever this has happened in the past,
or what has ever just happened, once they have, once
they have removed the person using reasonable force, once the
situation is over, then you know, once compliance is achieved,

(20:55):
it's probably the best way to describe it, whatever the history,
whatever's going on.

Speaker 17 (20:59):
Absolutely absolutely, but you know when you get those those videos,
I haven't seen that, and you know how much to
touch out of any video. See nowadays you also don't
know what's out of shot. Yes, yeah there could be
you know that whole we're actually stopping something that's about
that and who knows. But it was just more to

(21:22):
rather than everyone thinking, you know, bloody bouncers. Yeah, you know,
there's a there's a real problem down in Lincoln that
as I say, the police are onto it, and it
is these yeah one guys and my daughter and their boyfriend,
both students have said, you know how many things are
getting sort of you know ruined and and you know,

(21:45):
functions off and whatever and trying to deal with the matters. So,
like I said, our friends, they got a call from
the police, watch out for these guys. We know that
you're having at twenty first watch out for them, right,
we're watching them.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Think if you call Sharon, yeah, glad the police are
looking into it. I mean, look, it's the Lincoln University
is a reputation for being pretty loose when you first
get there as a as a young student. I know,
I lived with a couple of Lincoln University boys. But
as you say, like even if these guys were up
to you know, they were causing criminal damage and saying
god knows what, but when you look at the video

(22:23):
and you see what happened out on the on the street,
to me, that's that's a fine line that a bouncer
is there to protect the bar, but also byde by
rules the young guys, they will do what they want.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
But then that becomes a police matter. Yeah, I mean,
once you've you know, you're not allowed to assault people, right, yeah,
and you're not allowed to use excessive force as a bouncer,
and you're not allowed to punish people. You know, once
the threat is over, you know, once it moves past
dealing with the threat onto some kind of revenge or

(22:57):
some kind of angry attack, then I guess that comes
becomes a problem. But it must be also from must
be also very hard to keep your call under those
situations as well.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Sharon, thank you very much for their
extra context. But what do you say, I went hundred
eighty ten eighty, if you are a bouncer, how hard
is it to keep your call and what sort of
behavior are you seeing from the patrons?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Headlines coming up? You will talk to Curs, who's a
crowd controller, for some more insights after the news headlines.

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Herald dot co dot n Z. Back to Matteth and
Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It's twenty two to two
and we're talking about the role of bounces. How far
is too far when dealing with unruly behavior? This after
an alleged assault involving bounces at the frame famous Grouse
in Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Chris, how are you mate?

Speaker 12 (25:02):
Hey?

Speaker 10 (25:02):
Guys, you back out of that.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
You've been on the industry.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, so I'm a little bit older on in my sixties.
Are role started in the military and the military police
back in the day when Northern Island was running and
if you shot or hurt somebody with one round, if
you didn't shot them with a second round, you've committed murder.
So we bring that to today's world. Is that our
role as a crowd controller and that's what a bodyguard is.

Speaker 7 (25:28):
A bodyguard?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Can I just go back to the start of that
cost So you said you were in the military in
Northern Ireland.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Did you say I did some time in Northern Land?

Speaker 10 (25:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
So the rule was shoot to incapacitate, but the second
that you.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Use the force that's necessary to protect yourself and or others.
But if you then put the boot in, you could
be charged for murder, right and so, and that's the same,
and that's the same in a role in the military policeman.
Quite often the people that we had to deal with
a little bit more challenging and physically able than what
people in the pubs are today. So therefore, if we

(26:05):
affected arrest, we do enough, we get the cuffs on,
or we get them out side, But if then we
start plumbing them of punching them, then that is assault.
And that hasn't changed since the eighties seventies. It hasn't
changed at all, right.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I mean, I guess what's changed is CCTV footage.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
So that's the investigation, not the site of the bodyguard's job.

Speaker 10 (26:27):
You have two sides of this.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
So when I do crowd control now and I get
the young ones that come in, they do their training.

Speaker 19 (26:33):
Now.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Part of the training is to be standoffish, communicate with
hands and voice. If that doesn't work, then what you're
actually doing is you're affecting trespath act to evict somebody
from your client premises in order to other patients to
enjoy their day.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
And so what what amount of force are you allowed
to What amount of force are you allowed to enact that?

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Chris, You're allowed to protect people, yourself and property. So
by that it would mean in a restraint position or
carry them out of the premises. Okay, once they're out
of the premises, your responsible area is at an end
stand off. If they look like they're going to do something,

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then you'll pull one one one. That's the teaching And
I've done things at the Lower Hut Hall for example
here in Wellington, and it's been an ethnic event Pakistanis
and Indians created a problem inside. We got them outside.
One punched another. Pull the team back, let them do
what they want to do, pull one one in. The

(27:39):
cops are there within minutes.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
What about a situation where you're standing on the street,
cress and someone comes at you with a weapon. You've
got the right that end of defense. You allowed to
defend yourself.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Defense, absolutely, But once again, if you take the weapon
off them and the line on the ground, if you
then turn around and kick them in the face, that's assault.
No discussion, all right. So when I do my role
in crowd control and get the young ones. I teach
them by it's not our role to assault somebody. It's
not our role to wreck someone's day. Our main role

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is health and safety, which is a healthy environment and
a safe environment for those to participate in what they're doing.
Now that could mean and prevention is the best thing.
So the bodyguards, sorry, the bounces that just stand outside
and don't go inside at all and don't respond to
an incident, I'm doing your job properly, because what they
should be doing is they should be keeping your eye

(28:33):
on the prec that's going to be a preck. And
then when they start being a preck, you get them
out before they start being an assault.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
But when when you say this someone being a preck,
criss so you take them out on the street, and
they just keep getting up and running at you again
and again and again the amount of times you use
reasonable force against them. Doesn't the amount of reasonable force
increase at that point because so a lot of people,
a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Like to run at you and then you don't do anything,
and they're hoping you're going to smack them in the head,
all right, and then you've got a salt. So this
is where a restraint of the previous caller was talking
about implement and restraint. Mate, I'll tell you people can
throw words and your steps and stones. You get a
bit riled yourself. You're just wondering whether that punch is

(29:17):
going to come. So I've got a face in a
body that can talk, but it doesn't back up the talk.
So I need to have somebody else there.

Speaker 12 (29:25):
I'll go down.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
I'll go down like a bucket bucket of fast sat.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, you got a lot more to answer to, Chris. Yeah,
but what do you do?

Speaker 2 (29:30):
So you know the circumstances, someone's causing some chaos and
a bar, You've asked them to leave and they say, nah,
I'm not leaving. What are you going to do about it?
So what's the line then that you can physically manhandle
them to drag them out.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
So if they're in a talking mode at that stage,
what I would do is I say I have the
right that n my team has the right to remove
your com premises and you'll be tresparking these premises subject
to the owner. Is that the way you really want
to go? And sometimes I would say more than half
they kind of step down because I've been all bravado
for the check that's over the other side. All their
mates that are egging them on, right, they have a

(30:04):
little word. But then if they don't do that, I say,
we're now going to move you from the spar We
will do what we need to to do that. Now,
that's if you've got the talking stage all right. And
then you get the other guys who are a little
bit more able to me either side. We escort them
at you.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
List them up.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
You invite them outside first, of course, to have a conversation.
For those that have seen the movie Roadhouse.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Great movie exactly what it is, Kevin Bacon, talk to them.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
You get them outside, and then you do whatever you
need to do. But you don't go to a fight.
You go back to your entrance way and do your thing,
and you call one one one. If they then start
to advance on you in a threatening manner under the
Assault Act, under the Assault Legislation or the Primes Act
as soldiers, either they do it or you believe they
can do it, you then can act in self defense.

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So if I had somebody come up to me and
they start to raise their arm, if they're going to
punch me, they're not probably chop them in the throat
for something, or kick them.

Speaker 20 (30:59):
In the nuts.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
But that's all I can do. I can't then start
kicking them on the ground. So that guy who was
kicking on the ground has breached the best practice has
breached law. So a the employer, the one who there's
the other guy mentioned on the phone, the one who
holds the license that we all work for, he should
suspend that person immediately and shouldn't be allowed to work

(31:21):
until the police have cleared him from any wrongdoing, and
he shouldn't be employed again. Speaking of wrong demonstrated he
does not have the tem from it, and he's he
is a suspect.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, thank you so much for you call, Chris, thank
you for your insights. Of course, speaking of wrongdoing, I
described Patrick Swayze as Kevin Bacon, of course it's Patrick Swayze. Yes,
and the classic movie Roadhouse. What a great movie.

Speaker 12 (31:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
But the quote has ask him to walk, be nice.
If he won't walk, walk him, but be nice. Yeah, yeah,
great quote. There's another quote from that movie that I
won't say on radio. Yeah, all right, good on you, Chris.
Thanks for the call. Yeah, what a great call.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
It is quarter to two we're going to take a
quick break, but coming up, we're going to have a
chat with Jared, who was actually at the frame of
Famous Grouse the night this incident took place.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
So we'll see what he's got to say for himself.
And we all haven't found out what the pay range
is for a bouncer in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, tell us nine two nine two, what do you
get paid? It has quarter to two back in the mow,
the big stories.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
The big issues, to the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
That'd be afternoon to you. It is twelve to two.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
So we have been talking about bouncers and how far
can they go when dealing with unruly behavior. This is
on the back of an incident of an alleged assault
from a bouncer to an eighteen year old patron down
in Lincoln at the Famous Grouse. So a man who
was actually there that night is Jared and he's with us.
Now get a Jared good day.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
How are you good? Mates? So tell us tell us
what happens.

Speaker 12 (32:49):
Well, I was.

Speaker 21 (32:50):
Actually a witness of the situation. I've seen the whole
thing unphil And yeah, I was sober that night. I
was sober driving some of the boys back to the
skull where.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
They were the boy. Were they the boys that involved
in the incident or another set of boys, Jared, another
set of boys.

Speaker 21 (33:06):
Yep, I've seen it all unreal And yeah, the bouncers
pretty much just escalated the situation themselves and extremely quickly
just forced him out the door and then like he
didn't do he didn't do anything wrong as bottom line, So.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
This talk about a smashed glass, did you see any
of that?

Speaker 20 (33:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (33:27):
No, no, nothing happened right, So why did the bouncers
walk them?

Speaker 21 (33:33):
Then they were kicking people out left, right and center.
And I don't know, he might have said something smart
maybe or something like that, but nothing, nothing extreme at all.
They pretty much just grabbed him and shoved him out
the door and then started beating his head into the ground.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, the video is not good outside the door, is it?

Speaker 8 (33:54):
So?

Speaker 3 (33:55):
It was was so you didn't see any unruly behavior
at that Were they at a table? Where were they?

Speaker 7 (34:02):
Where?

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Where they were?

Speaker 16 (34:03):
Like?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Where were you?

Speaker 12 (34:03):
And we were?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
They basically describe the scene wasting.

Speaker 21 (34:06):
I was sitting on the opposite side of the table
to where it was happening. It was happening towards the
exit of the building, and the table was right there.
I would have been not even three four meters.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Away, right, and so once and so you saw the bouncers,
you know, attacking them outside. What did you see after that?
How did it afterwards?

Speaker 21 (34:30):
I will add that the bouncers were actually screaming because
we were giving them ship obviously, well sorry, so because
we just thought the ass I was for it and
they were telling us or come to scraps at twelve o'clock.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
At the Grouse.

Speaker 21 (34:46):
So yeah, come to scrap Yeah yeah they did, Yeah
they did. So what were they The bouncer came across
the road and was like trying to square everyone up
and you know all that sort of Yeah, very aggressive.

Speaker 9 (35:02):
Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
And is there some history, because we've got a phone
call saying that there's some history from from behavior at
the bar in the past.

Speaker 21 (35:11):
Yeah, I heard there was Sharon. Was that they said
that someone through glass and the bouncer's eyes.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, that was the allegation. Yeah, yeah, not that night,
that was a previous she was saying sometime in the past.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
Yeah, yeah, previous night.

Speaker 21 (35:25):
Yeah, I remember the night that she was talking about,
but not no throwing glass in people's eyes and no, yeah, no,
that is absolute. Yeah, there is the very false that
is fast.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Thank you for you. I went to report, Jared. So
you're saying that these guys what what what state were they?
And were they? Would you say they were intoxicated? You
were so the.

Speaker 21 (35:50):
The person who has been beat up?

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yeah, well, just generally the guys at that table. I
mean it's hard for you to say for sure. You
don't know, don't you don't have a breath.

Speaker 21 (35:58):
It would have like there would have been some that
were intoxicated, some that went so much, but no one was.
No one was doing anything that deserved their outcome.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Right, right, So and so did we the police called
after the bouncer had to go on the street.

Speaker 21 (36:17):
Yeah, came back to school, and I believe it was
a school that called up right.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
The Lincoln University. Yeah yeah, And do you know that
do you know the gentleman that was that had the
incident with the bouncers?

Speaker 8 (36:29):
Do you know what I know?

Speaker 12 (36:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (36:30):
I know of them? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
And was he seriously injured?

Speaker 21 (36:34):
Well, I wouldn't say seriously. Now, wellow he's got a
few knocks on his head and all that, but nothing serious.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Now, yeah, right, well, Jared appreciate your eyewitness account. Thanks
very much for giving us a buzz. So that was
Jared's view on what happened that night. I mean the
plot thickens if that.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Is the case.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
But yeah, no, I appreciate you giving us a call, Jared,
Thank you very much. We got to take a break.
But oh, one and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? It is seven to two.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
All right, Matties Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight.
It's matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
News dogsb News DOGSB. It is five to two.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
And we have been talking about how far bounces can
go to deal with unruly patrons.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Well, let's just look at the rules here and New
Zealand bounces are legally classified as crowd controllers under the
Private Security Personnel License Seeing System. They are regulated by
the Private Security Personnel and Private Investigators Active twenty ten.
Did you know key rules and powers? Bounces slash crowd
controls generally must hold a Certificate of Approval a CoA

(37:42):
or a license from the Ministry of Justice. They can
refuse entry, ask people to leave, remove people using reasonable force.
Reasonable forces are a wide ranging thing. I imagine enforced
venue rules and liquor license conditions, issue or enforced trespassed
warnings on behalf of the venue. They cannot assault people,
right use excessive force, detain or search people without lawful grounds,

(38:03):
punish people once a threat is over. If a venue
tell you tells you to leave and you refuse your trespassing,
bounces can physically remove you using reasonable force if necessary.
But yeah, a lot of fringes on imagine hinges on
the phrase reasonable force.

Speaker 10 (38:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
In New Zealand law, that generally means only the minimum
force necessary proportionate to the threat or resistance stopping one's
compliance is achieved. So once compliance is achieved and you
keep throwing someone down on the ground and they put
the boot in, then I would say that would be
outside of the realms of stopping one's compliances achieved. Yeah,
probably not reasonable force.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
There great discussion though, and we will see what happens
with this particular incident down at the Famous Grouse. The
police are looking into it, so we'll find out what
happens to the bouncers and that particular eighteen year old.
Great discussion, Thank you very much, coming over after two o'clock.
Jerry Seinfeld hates EV's.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams
afternoons used talks.

Speaker 16 (39:03):
It be.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Very good afternoon you welcome back to the show. It
is six past too great to have you listening in.
So Jerry Seinfould, one of the biggest comedians in the world,
isn't interested in driving electric cars. So the comedian famous
for his classic car collection, claim recently that driving an
electric car is more of a virtue signal than anything else.
He said, I quote this is an interview with the email.

(39:26):
I'm not interested in electric cars at all. Anybody who
wants to do it, that's fine, But I think it's
a big stupid virtue signal. Look at me, I'm saving
the planet. Yet what about lithium? It's bes But he's
also okay to say that again. So the quote was
I'm not interested in electric cars at all. Anybody else
wants to do it that.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I'm not interested in electric cars at all. I'm not
interested what about lithium it's.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Bs well done, mate, perfectly said. But he's also because
he is such a car carfenetic. He's also very recently,
I think it almost might have been in the same
interview or a recent podcast. He's also been on record
for slamming the look of modern cars. Of course many
of them are electri trick themselves.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Here it is.

Speaker 16 (40:09):
Why is it so hard for these companies to understand
what's cool culturally?

Speaker 7 (40:15):
Yeah, I'll tell you.

Speaker 16 (40:16):
What's missing is confidence. There's nothing said or when you
see older BMW's from the early two thousands or the
seventies and eighties.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
And you see that confidence.

Speaker 16 (40:27):
Yeah, and now they're just screaming at you with that horrible, bisurd,
cartoonish ideas of design that just like who are just
no design at all?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
But Pegani's and things of that nature.

Speaker 16 (40:38):
Yes, there's no They think that they're exotic and dramatic
and they're embarrassing.

Speaker 7 (40:44):
Is there anything cool anymore?

Speaker 16 (40:46):
St This car has that thing that we talk about
when you get out of it and you go, why
do I have anything else? I'm gonna get some kerosene
and I'm lighting the rest of this stuff on fire.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
So it make Does anyone feel like that ran an Evy?
Does anyone feel like it's just cool. It's got confidence
that it's that's beautifully designed or as and and you know,
our EV's just a virtue signal. I mean as he's
a huge car fan right in an amazing Porsche COLLECTIONEP.
But EV's just a virtual signal, as Jerry Siinfeld says. See,

(41:22):
I've got a theory on this, right. So you look
at Formula one racing, right YEP, with these huge rigs,
pump them up, released them, and they had made the
cars now fifty to fifty, fifty to fifty electric, fifty
to fifty combustion engine, and it's just made that so

(41:43):
uncool that ratings have dropped and people have just you know,
drivers are revolting. And and for me that that suggests
to me that the closer you go to EV, the
more uncool you are. So when it was seventy thirty,
that wasn't nearly as cool as when they were v tens.

Speaker 18 (42:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
So at the moment so fully esprat of VTNS was cool.

Speaker 10 (42:11):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Recent rigs have been seventy thirty, and now they're fifty
to fifty and so uncool that people have been turning
off Formula one and such that it's looking like they're
gonna slide it back in favor of the combustion engine.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
See that to me is virtue signaling what they've done
with F one, absolutely and effectively screen washing. Yeah, massive
green washing. So fifty percent a little bit called fifty
percent uncall. But in terms of people having evs or
buying evs, I actually really like the look of modern evs.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I love the look of a Tesla.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I've said this to you many times and we've been
down getting a coffee and there's been a Tesla partner.
I'm like, man, that's a sixty looking car, and you
you often don't respond because I know you disagree and
you think maybe the modern design and the bubble nature
of it is not as good as the classic cars.

Speaker 12 (43:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I just think all cars look the same.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
If you go back to the seventies, there's such a
wide variety, and as Jerry Siinfeld saying, they had confidence,
they were just like, this is this car. It's it's crazy,
it's different from that car. We're trying something.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
There's no difference really in the look between a BMW,
a Toyo Tar and any given I mean, Tesla's are
slightly different. I guess but it's all just the same
sort of boring, bulbous Plus everyone's getting the same color car.
I would say cars are becoming increasingly uncool across the board.
What do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

(43:36):
eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
So do you agree that modern cars and modern electric
vehicles are uncool?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
And is it virtue signaling if you drive one? I
mean if you look at a dats In, like a
nineteen sixty nine dats In five to ten, right, Yeah,
that at the time would have been considered people had
looked at that car. I just think they're really stylish, right,
People at that time would have looked at that car
and they would have gone, you know, this is the
commercial nothing car. Blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
They were.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
The lines are too sleek, it's too too bulb for
our liking. Yeah, but now, well, you know, it's quite.
It's quite. It's kind of like how a kid would
draw a cars swat. But it's there. I mean, so
I'm not that's not considered really a classic carn But
in the seventies even Datsunes were incredibly cool.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, it does scream confidence, But what do you say, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Nine two ninety two is the text. It is twelve
past two. Will be back for surely.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said be.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Quarter past too.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
So Jerry Seinfield isn't a fan of electric cars, he said,
I quote, I'm not interested in them.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
A or anybody else wants to do it. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I think it's a big stupid virtue signal. And he's
also had a crack at the design of modern cars
as well. They're not call anymore.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
No.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
This text, however, says this is bullshit. Oh okay, that's
the language I mean to be fair. I didn't need
to read it out so that one's on me. That
was good, though, this is best. No one buys an
ev for the environment. I bought mine for the talk, mate,
not talk, not like talk radio. No t O R
q ue mate, although that person has spelled it with

(45:20):
T A L K.

Speaker 9 (45:22):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Anyone who says they are uncle hasn't accelerated onto a motorway.
A combustion engine might as well be a steam engine compared,
and this text says, if there were two forms of
technology coming out at the same time, combustion and electric,
no one would go for the combustion engine. It's just
ancient tech. Too many moving parts. You Muppet, Wow, shots fie.
What do you say to those Texters? Matthew, how are

(45:44):
you They're pretty Yeah?

Speaker 22 (45:46):
Shots fired, definitely. I think it's the sound with electric cars.

Speaker 13 (45:52):
Yes, like we've got a hybrid and it is peppi,
but there's no sound like if you jungindor VA or
a charge. It's the sounds, the rumble.

Speaker 22 (46:03):
So maybe they shouldn't put a switch like a mode
in your k You can make it sound like a va,
like a Mazzarami.

Speaker 13 (46:10):
Or or you know, a Formula one car.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
But the thing is that it just would be really
uncool to do that. It's like, you know, when you're
at stadiums now and they add the crowd sound through
to try and get the crowd going, and the fake
crowd going through, It's like it doesn't feel right, it's
not natural.

Speaker 22 (46:30):
It's not natural.

Speaker 13 (46:30):
And I think that's why Jerry's because he's like, I
just throw a Porsche Hybrid go past, and that didn't
sound hybrid at all. That sounded awesome, But yeah, I
think it's the sound and also the cost of fuel if.

Speaker 22 (46:44):
You're going to drive them like that, now you can't.

Speaker 13 (46:48):
Yeah yeah yeah with solar and that coming more popularly,
you can charge your carrot home.

Speaker 22 (46:53):
I know it's going into the green and a off topic,
but it's it's the lines, like the classic.

Speaker 13 (47:01):
Lines of the old V eight, the arm muscle and
the old everything. You know, the taranas, all that, the
ings on that, all those lovely lines.

Speaker 22 (47:11):
That they can't build them anymore. They build them also aerodynamic.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Yeah, so if you had a classic classic holding Kingswood
vehicle or the Manaro, like the Manaro what a beautiful
but a but EV which.

Speaker 11 (47:29):
Yeah, you know you could do it, but you need
the sound.

Speaker 13 (47:32):
You can't get to the sound and the rumble and
the muzzle like the EV just it's just quiet.

Speaker 22 (47:37):
Like you look at the the E Formula ones.

Speaker 13 (47:40):
Yeah, yeah, going quick and it's fast, but the sound
and even the new sound now it's terrible. As you
go back to the VA.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Oh absolutely, the VT.

Speaker 13 (47:50):
I'm with you, yeah, v V can yeah, just back
to the natural aspiratud. Yeah, like engineers working on all
these learning bus I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
It's interesting. So you're watching cars when you watch Formula E.
It's ostensibly the same thing, but for some reason it's
just so incredibly uncorre all in unengaging, which is so odd.
There's no balls to it. Yeah you know, there's no
grunt and there's no horness.

Speaker 22 (48:15):
No, there's no rawness.

Speaker 13 (48:17):
And watching you play PlayStation with head tones off, watching
there's no doubt.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
I mean, how cool is it? Just a form of
propulsion that is just a whole series of explosions, that's
what that's.

Speaker 13 (48:33):
Amazing, amazing. So they need to go back they fine,
especially need to pull finger out.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah, well they're looking. They're looking about moving it back
to like sixty forty, are they? But they need to
go full honey.

Speaker 22 (48:48):
It's like a one point eight leader injured a big engine.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
That's a humiliator. And the thing is it's a load
of bollocks anyway, because they're all flying on private jets.
As everyone says, there's nothing green about Formula one. Can't
all set up with a fifty to fifty megs. They're
traveling all around the world. Everything's shipped in on these
flowing in. Yeah, even arrives on a different plane. It's

(49:12):
such a lot of pollops. Yeah, we love it. Yeah,
but we love it. Yeah, we still love it.

Speaker 12 (49:17):
All right.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Thanks for calling, Matthew, appreciate it. Great first call. One
hundred eighteen eighties number of called.

Speaker 23 (49:22):
G A.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Darryl.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
You're going to push back on the say, I imagine
if you're in two evs.

Speaker 8 (49:28):
Yeah, well I do, and I mean I come from
a background which is very much muscle car orientated. My
clickers cars out of history would probably be all Aston
Martin's the Open V tens. You know, I've always been

(49:50):
a lover of Lamborghinis, but I have had a Kia
EV six now for three years, and as far as
performance for a normal road car is concerned, it's the
best performance I've head out of a vehicle that is

(50:11):
used solely on the road. The acceleration, the braking, the
instantaneous talk, all of those things are actually brilliant. But
for me, with the biggest key factors, it cost me
twenty eight dollars a week to run. And you can't
give me any ice vehicle that I could run anywhere

(50:34):
for twenty eight dollars a week.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
So what Jerry Seinfeld's saying there is that the I
guess when he's saying it's a virtual single signal is
talking about being the environmental.

Speaker 7 (50:47):
Number.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
How that stacks up environmentally, But you're not. That's not
why you're driving the.

Speaker 7 (50:52):
Give it six.

Speaker 8 (50:54):
I wouldn't say that, I don't give a stuff, but
it's not the reason I bought the car. The reason
that I bought the car was because it actually costs
me significantly less every week to run, It has better acceleration.
They are slightly heavier car, which makes them probably not

(51:16):
the best handlers, but the tech that's used in the
car eye driver is very, very good, and ultimately I
think that the styling of my car is probably better
than a lot. I mean, you take a look at
a lot of the evs that are out there, particularly
when you're looking at Tesla's, which I think are the

(51:37):
ugliest cars on the planet.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Beautiful.

Speaker 8 (51:40):
They've been designed by someone that got no design skill
to make a car interesting.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Have you driven one now, Darryl?

Speaker 8 (51:51):
And the tech in them is absolutely fantastic, But I
personally just think that they're very, very ugly looking vehicles
and I just couldn't touch one with a budge pole
because of it. But the tech that I have in
my car is not far off, and I would have
to admit that it's not as good as most of
the Tesla tech, but it's not far off. But the

(52:14):
reality is that when you can run a car for
twenty eight dollars a week, and that's concluding my road
user charges, I have solar on my house, so I
can feel most of it up during the day when
the sun's shining, and if I can't, I get three
hours of free power at night, which I can use.

(52:34):
And truthfully, I could just use that and it'd be
enough to keep me going anyway. And I'm traveling, on
average about twenty thousand kilometers a year, so it's not
like it's just sitting around doing nothing.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
A lot of cave being done.

Speaker 8 (52:50):
That's a huge amount of money being saved.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
But as it is cool, is it as cool as
a supertoura? You know, as you line.

Speaker 8 (52:59):
Up alongside a muscle car at a set of lights
and you end up being thirty feet in front of him.

Speaker 12 (53:07):
You tell me, because these guys hate it, stay, they
really really hate it.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
It is a nice instant talk. If you could put
the engine that you have, that you have the ev
tech inside to any body shape, any car's body shape
of all time. What would that be, Daryl, what's the
what's the most beautiful car of all time?

Speaker 8 (53:30):
Well that's a really difficult question, but I'd probably narrow
it down to two fairly quickly, and one would be
the Lamborghini. And I put it into specifically, I think
the Contage because there's a really classic car. Yeah, and
I put it into Aston Martin dB nine.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Oh yeah, nice, that is a that's a car we're
oozing with confidence.

Speaker 8 (53:57):
Yeah, they're both beautiful cars.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Yeah, all right, good on your mate. Yep, I thank
you very much. One hundred and eighty ten eighty scenario's
got his key six that he's not virtue signing around,
as Jerry Seinfeld said, he's saving money, yep. And he's
burning anyone off that he wants at the lights.

Speaker 10 (54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Is it cool though? Oh one hundred is that number
to call?

Speaker 18 (54:19):
Nine?

Speaker 3 (54:20):
He makes a good point, you know, if you just
leave someone in there in your dust, yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
But if you're running spreadsheets saying I'm saving twenty six
bucks a week, I mean, look, it's it's thrifty but
is it cool? Nineteen ninety two is the text.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
It's twenty four past two.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk, said b twenty.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Seven past too.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
So we're talking about the coolness factor of evs. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is number cool?

Speaker 3 (54:50):
This Texas says you can cook a steak in a
microwave and it's more efficient and faster, or you can
cook it on the barbecue, hot and smoky. I know
which one I prefer, cheers Matt. Oh, mate, that's beautifully said.
What an analogy. That is poetry. That is poetry. You
summed it up nicely, Matt. Gents, I enjoy the V
ten of my Lamborghini. Nothing like the open throttle raw

(55:14):
lucky lucky man, and and says, hey, guys, no EV
owner is going to admit they made a mistake buying one.
Face it. What about this text? Just another rich plonker
driving around an EV. Not everyone can afford one. My
wife has a hond of fit fifty dollars a week. Yeap,
not everyone can afford anything. The amount of people that
just text and if anyone can afford anything. They go,

(55:35):
your opinion's not worthy because you've made some money. Yeah,
there's such a loser attitude. Who cares? And enjoy your
hond to fit? Nothing wrong with a hond of fat,
good on you. Not everyone can afford one. Not everyone
can afford lots of things. Well hopefully that doesn't mean
they can afford it. That doesn't mean they don't. They
shouldn't exist. Exactly. Welcome to the show, Peter.

Speaker 12 (55:55):
That's alute Geflement.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
How are you very good?

Speaker 10 (55:58):
Excellent?

Speaker 12 (55:59):
How are you going to take it back a little
bit further than the seventeenth on the go back to
the sixties and the fifties and some of the aircraft
carriers that were around and still are. I mean you
can lead an aeroplane.

Speaker 10 (56:10):
On on the boot.

Speaker 8 (56:12):
Yeah, so big.

Speaker 12 (56:14):
But they're beautiful. I mean we're going to styling, the
amount of chrome, all all the features in the cards,
you know, the body of the car. At least they
actually spent some time putting all those grooves in there,
making those fenders look good, and all those big chrome
that's that hung off them. You just can't beat that.
And you look at electric car today, a lot of

(56:37):
them look right, they just came out of the tartis
or or a spaceship.

Speaker 9 (56:41):
You know, they got they're just funny looking.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
It's interesting, isn't it? Because Jerry Seinfeld's talking about confidence,
and those cars you're talking about from the nineteen fifties
just oozed confidence, didn't they, Like, you know, like a
Fords Thunderbird or something. That's just there's exactly what he's
talking about. To have those fins on the back of them,
just to have the design, it's it's it's retro futuristic.

(57:08):
That doesn't make sense. It was futuristic at the time.
But yeah, they just yeah, there's a there's just there's
just this is a very very cool car. It's got
way too much out the back, way too much out
the front, but we don't care.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
It also screened quality, no doubt about it. Those sixties
and seventies cars. You just knew that it's quality material.
They were built like you know, ship brick houses. They
were just you know, quality quality vehicles.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
What's it like a ship brick house or a brick
shit house that might thank you?

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (57:39):
I remember my old man who had sixty three Chevrolet sorry,
sixty yeah, sixty three Chevrolet. The net thing had big
wings on the back, and what a fantastic looking car,
What a beautiful car to ride, and two big B
eight all the things. And I listened to the guy
before saying, he's sitting at the lights and an electric car,
and there's somebody next to him in a B eight
and he's lights on screen and he's thirty meters away

(58:02):
from them.

Speaker 23 (58:02):
But there's nothing.

Speaker 12 (58:03):
There's no thrill in that. There's no grunt, there's no noise,
there's no revving of the big V eight engine, you know,
and then the the pleasing you get out of that.
I think back to my days at Ford Motor Cup
back in the seventies and we get the odd g
D h o Aker imported and I had the opportunity
to drive the odd one. I mean, you drive a

(58:25):
car like that and you never go to electric car,
you never got anything else. I mean, those sorts of cars,
they're just magical, really magical. And where I live here
in Upper Hut, we get we're fortunate enough to have
the early American Clark Car Club and various other car
clubs that have displays up here. Every now and then

(58:46):
you see Corvettes and Camaros and Chevrolets and Fords and Dodgers,
and you just can't paint them. You know, they're just
so fantastic. And the noise, what about noise from.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
What about the British cars? You know, have you go,
you're going to love for.

Speaker 12 (59:02):
The jutuff yep Jagos Aston Martin like Aston Martin jagged. Yeah,
E type jagg that's another classic car. I mean, that's
that's such a beautiful car, beautifully formed.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
I mean that's I mean, the E type is an
insane vehicle. I mean to have that, I mean, the
bonnet is about five miles long. They're an insane car.
They're incredible. You just would never you would never get
that across the line now with the company, because cars
it's like they all have to look pretty much the same.

(59:36):
No one's content. Yeah, there's not a sorry.

Speaker 12 (59:40):
Everything under the bonnet have covered up too with plastic,
you know.

Speaker 20 (59:43):
I mean you.

Speaker 7 (59:45):
Take the E type, the.

Speaker 12 (59:47):
Bonnet, the whole front of the car, all the fenders,
and the bonnet flips forward and it's sposed a beautiful
big V twelve or straight six and you can see
all the working, you know, even even the steering sharp everything,
all the front aggs, all the whole lot. You don't
get that nowadays.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
It's just I mean, that's the fascination with fuel efficients, right,
that's why you've got all these sleek lines and bubble looks.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
It's all about energy efficiency.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
But you know, to that question, is that call you know,
there's a strong argument that that is not cool if
you're just going for energy efficiency. The sixties and seventies
cars didn't really care so much about that, Petter.

Speaker 12 (01:00:25):
Yeah, but the thing is that it doesn't matter about
the aerodynamics. If you've got six and a half league
of sitting under the bonnet of rural power aerodynamics to comment, Yeah,
if you didn't have aerodynamics, the car would probably take off.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Yeah, aerodynamics for the week. You know exactly when resistance
for the strong power through it.

Speaker 12 (01:00:47):
Power through it dead right, that's the nose before to
catch all the budgets in the rabbits.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Thank you cool. I mean there's no way anyone can
if you just look up, if you can a nineteen
seventy one Jaguar E Type V twelve Coupei. I mean,
there is there's near eve been a thing cooler than
that in the history of it. Where's a sexy looking guy? Yeah,
all right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? EV's call and do they project confidence or
as Jerry Seinfeld Wright, that they just virtue signaling.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Uncore wagons. It is twenty seven to three. Yeah, woodlines
coming on. We'll talk to Debbi next, who's got a
new EV and a classic muscle car, so she's a
perfect person to compare.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Thank you very much, Raileen so Jerry Seinfeld says evs
are just virtue signalers and also says modern cars lack
the confidence of the cars of old.

Speaker 10 (01:02:52):
Is he right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Our eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty there says
you can buy any type. Jaguar is a fully electric
today that would be weird. You've got a lot of
you got a lot of bonnet. What's in there? You
can have your dream car and it's an E type
jag on which he came from an Elric. It just
sort of.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Long.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Yeah, Divvy, welcome to the show. Thank you for waiting.

Speaker 23 (01:03:15):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
So you've got you've got both a new EV and
a classic muscle car.

Speaker 23 (01:03:20):
Yeah, I've got an mg EV and I've got a
nineteen fifty eight Thunderbird.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Oh wow, nice, as I was talking about before, and
as I said, that is a that is a car
with confidence.

Speaker 23 (01:03:33):
Yeah, it wasn't for the price of petrol. I know
which one I would be driving. It would definitely be
the Thunderbirge. But certainly in today's society with the fuel
prices going up, it's more economical. Toe that EV going angry,
He soula. So you know, as the previous guy mentioned that,
you know, somen comes out, you're just program Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Is it a convertible, No, no, Tudor.

Speaker 23 (01:03:59):
I would like that convertible as a two door.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Well, that's that's what I love about those cars. I
was driving around in the Lincoln Continent toll in the
States and it was so long, nine sixty nine, but
it was two doors. But that these cars that are
just you can't put them into a park, but there
are only two doors. It's very cool as far as
I'm concerned. Yea, is it a right hand drive?

Speaker 23 (01:04:21):
It's it's a left hand drive.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Left hand drive, and you you know, obviously expensive to run.
But are you taking it out and out and about
in the weekends? Going for cruises in it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Oh.

Speaker 23 (01:04:31):
Absolutely. We're in a car club, so each month we
get a lot of vehicles out and we go for
a breakfast on on a Sunday. We live in central Tigo,
so pretty nice place to be cruising around and all
our muscle cars and burning up some fuel.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
And what's what's the view of your mg EV from
from the members of your car club? How do they
feel about the the.

Speaker 23 (01:04:53):
MG We don't get into that conversation. It's not many
in the car clubs that have gotvs. But for me,
where I work and where I live, it's just practicality
and costs works. But so yeah, now if I can
get that little bit out in the weekend. Another thing
with the evs. I don't know if anybody's tried this,

(01:05:15):
but we've got a Campa van and we went away
for a year traveling in New Zealand and we had
our electric car on a trailer on the back to
easy used to get around town and have a look
at some sites. But you can reverse charge off your
EV and charge up your Campa van. So I could
have the air fry, the hair dryer, whatever I wanted going,

(01:05:38):
I could just reverse charge off my EV car and
charge up my Campa van.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
See that's practical. What type of MG have you got,
because I know there's an MG EV out there that
is super quick. I think it goes from zero to
one hundred and about three point eight seconds.

Speaker 23 (01:05:53):
Yeah, ours is about three years old MG.

Speaker 8 (01:06:00):
Yeah one of those.

Speaker 23 (01:06:03):
But yeah, no, if you put in sports mode, you
know you've got economic then you've got normal than you've got.
If on a pass the car and I just need
it more ground. If I'm going up a hill, I
just slip it on sports motor and yeah, I can
work past them pretty fast. They're very impressive on that speed.
They get up and go in the EV so surprisingly
with the weight of them, but they certainly can get going.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
They've got some peplets for sure. Debbi, thank you very
much for giving us a call and all the best
with the Thunderbird, beautiful car.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Should we out here Shall we bring up the car
club Satayo Car Club and say that Debbie, she's in
the Thunderbird when you see her, but she's whipping around
town and the m GeV I think they need to know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah, Debbie, thanks for your call, taking your calls. I
know eight hundred eighty ten eighty are EV's call. It
is nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Madd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams.
Afternoons youth talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Be sixteen to three. Jerry Seinfeld says EV drivers are
just big, stupid virtual signalers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Is he right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
The sixth said Jerry Seinfeld is such a dick who
cares what he says about cars. I'm a Bogan V
eight owner and I love him. But my missus owns
a late model EV, which would be would downtro out
any of my cars easily. It's an appliance and a
very good one, but I'm happy we have both in
the fleet. Screw Jerry says, Ritchie good On, you're Ritchie. Yeah,

(01:07:28):
But you know, you've got to say he's the most
successful stand up comedian of all time. He's written one
of the greatest sitcoms of all times. He's a great
lover of cars, huge collector of cars. You know, one
of the greatest observational humorists of all time. Been very successful.
The longevity is incredible, Yeah, absolutely, but yeah fair enough. Yeah,
he has a bit of a deck as well sometimes Simon,

(01:07:51):
how are you mate?

Speaker 12 (01:07:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:07:52):
How are you going?

Speaker 8 (01:07:53):
Guys?

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Good? So you've got one EV and one hybrid I
have yea, all we have.

Speaker 9 (01:07:58):
Yeah, So we're sort of in that situation where we
need two cars. Changed our main car to a EV
about four years ago and haven't looked back, and that
is our main car.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
What was your motivation for that for the for the EV?
Was it were you were you ventually signaling like Jerry
s Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:08:16):
Yeah, right, No, we had decided that for once in
our life, we will go we'll buy a brand new
car yep. And it was when the EV subsidies were
still happening yep. And we were like, okay, well and
we did you know, we looked at sort of five
or six different types of car, not all EV's but two.
I think we looked at two EV's and and three

(01:08:38):
different petrol cars, and it just became a no brainer,
you know. It just as our main car that we
do the most chrometerism, which actually hasn't ended up that
way because my part has got it. But anyway, Yeah,
so it just ended up a no brainer that that
if you're going to buy a new car once in
a lifetime, that you sort of people do that. And
we we decided to go for an EV so yeah,

(01:09:01):
and then our second car was not that not then
it wasn't but it was up until a month ago,
a a V eight Grand Cherokee Jeep. And we've just
sold that and gone to a hybrid.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Okay, And here's a there's a here's a question that
is obviously subjective, But was the V eight cooler then
the which what's out of the three cars, the E V,
the hybrid or the V eight Cherokee, Which is the coolest?

Speaker 9 (01:09:33):
I love my little coroller yeh. I I thought the
Jeep was pretty cool until every stopping at every petrol station,
it became very uncalled. Yeah yeah, and it sounds that
that you really enjoy that that that sound. I'm I'm
a petrol head from way back and enjoyed the beautiful,
big sound of of a of a V eight. But

(01:09:55):
you know, compared with the sound of a of a
of an average four cylinder car that you find on
the road, but most cars are the average four cylinder
and that sound is really awful. That sewing machine, sound
of a of a for me, anyway of a force
and they're winding up. And you know, and that guy,
the guy who spoke for about the classic cars, he's
dead right. Classic cars are amazing, but they're not practical.

(01:10:18):
And and that the the ultimate is to have what's
obviously living the life, living the dreams. You've got the
classic car and the EV. And that's that's what I
want to do one day, is have that classic car
sitting in the garage, but the EV for every day,
every day use you know, yeah, because.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
That's same question, isn't it. Are you Are you driving
your car to get around or are you driving your
car to make a statement? That that's that's been questioned
some people's car as purely statement.

Speaker 9 (01:10:48):
If you're driving a big Porsche Porsche EV, you're probably
trying to make a statement. But if you're driving a
big Porsche petrol car, you're trying to make a statement.
So there's no difference.

Speaker 13 (01:10:57):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:10:57):
I think the average TV driver probably doesn't actually even
know what what badge they're driving, what sort of what's
on the you know, what the badge of the car is.
And and the guys we're talking about the classic cars,
who said, oh, you know there, they don't compare with
an EV. You can't compare with a with a nineteen
sixties Classic or whatever the year you want to put
on it. No, new cars going to doesn't have to
be an EV. Your petrol They all look kind of

(01:11:19):
dull and boring these days compared with back then. So
it's not the EV versus the classic, it's today's cars
versus the classic, and the classics always going to be
a lot called though, yeah, not practical.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
I think that that's the nail on the head for me,
is the practicality of most EV's. And I would assume
most people, if you're looking at your dream car or
you want to buy a Lamborghini, there would would be
not too many people that would be eying up an
electric Lamborghini, you know what I mean? If that's your
dream card a weekend.

Speaker 12 (01:11:49):
Probably not.

Speaker 9 (01:11:49):
They don't have to worry about putting petrol in it.
If they can afford to buy a Lambghini, a Lamborghini,
they're not worried about the three hundred dollars across to
fill up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Yeah, good point. So those one of those, one of
those Lamborghini SUVs are the Urus? Is that what it is?
The Lamborghini Urus.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
They're there is.

Speaker 9 (01:12:04):
Actually a version of those come out? Is the actually
TV version of those as well? Yeah, so even all
the supercars are coming out. There's a new Ferrari coming out.
I think it's this year. That's that's a EV and
it's coming out because it's not because of necessarily being
electric and gaving your petrol. It's quicker and and got
more talk than the petrol motor. So you know, that's

(01:12:25):
that's that's where they're at with the evs. Yeah, and
then you know, like Hyjunda. Now I've got the speakers
in the car and their i Q what is it?
The Ionic five sport version that actually sounds like a car.
It sounds like a big thumping turbo the eight. It's
all speakers under the bonnets yep, and it sounds really cool.
So realistic, Yeah, how much realistic?

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
How much have you been paying for one of those
Lamborghini Russes? But that would be it would be six
hundred grand, wouldn't you think?

Speaker 12 (01:12:52):
So?

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
Half from again? Yeah, yeah, that in the bank account.

Speaker 12 (01:12:57):
To spend on.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
You're not worrying that, you know, guesses over three.

Speaker 9 (01:13:04):
Yeah, want to tell you what my little my little
toy to coroller hybrid is the twenty twenty two and
I'm getting twenty seven? What is the twenty seven climbers perlitat.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
It's pretty good, it's pretty efficient.

Speaker 9 (01:13:19):
I love it when I pull into the detro stations
made with the jeep. Yeah, and the EV we trickle
charge at home so it doesn't doesn't cost us to
costs us about forty bucks extra a month on the
on the Powerdill.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
You've sold the dream pretty well, simon. Thank you for
your call. Appreciate that, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Right, beg very shortly, but taking your calls on eight
hundred eighty ten eighty So if you drive an EV
are you virtue signaling?

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Nine to nine two is the text backing the issues
that affect.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
You and a bit of fun along the way. Mad
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
They'd be news talks there be. It is seven two three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
So we are talking about Jerry Seinfield's comments about EV drivers.
He reckons if you drive an EV you're just virtue signaling?

Speaker 21 (01:14:02):
So is he right?

Speaker 24 (01:14:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is. Then I'm going to
call a nine. Two ninety two is the text A
couple of texts coming through. Gooday, guys, I've got an EV,
a hybrid and an old V eight. I love them all,
but calling EV driver's virtue signal is are just playing wrong.
It's a practical car. It's my everyday car, and I

(01:14:24):
pull out the V eight on the weekends. It's the
best of all worlds.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Keep up the great work. That's from Johnny Simon spoke
with confidence. But he's wrong. Then Beginning do not have
an EV. In fact, I'm just reading that lamb Beginni
has pulled plugs on its plans to launch all electric
supercars right and just stick with combustion. I think they're
heading down the hybrid path, right, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Yeah, let's have a chat to John get a, John
are good mate, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (01:14:53):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
Thank Scion Fields.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
I've got a EV is a road car, and that's
for practical reasons. I've also got a commodore and a
little rally car. Not not that I've used the rally
car for a while.

Speaker 10 (01:15:14):
Still being.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
What's the car?

Speaker 6 (01:15:17):
He's done on a little bit, splishing the rags and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
So you are you out and about? You know, you
know you haven't used that for a while, did you say, John,
I haven't.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
Used that for a while. But when I again, I'll
be out and again and when when it's really and
I enjoy driving the.

Speaker 10 (01:15:39):
Toka.

Speaker 6 (01:15:41):
Not every day and especially at the moment, I don't
use it that much because it uses a lot of petrol.
But yeah, I mean I enjoyed. And I've also been
overseas and watched Arci went to Monaco and watched the
on pre over there. I didn't like the racing last year.

(01:16:02):
I think watching almost one on TV now it's a
lot more exciting than it was last year.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Well, you like you like, you like the new rigs,
you like you like the fifty to fifty? What what
do you like about it? Do you don't find the
passing artificial?

Speaker 22 (01:16:21):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:16:21):
I mean watching uh the two Ferrari guys Lewis Hamilton
and it's mate sounds. I mean it's really exciting watching
that sort of stuff. I mean it's you don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
In your in your IF one racing because the complaint
is that you're not rewarded for just breaking as late
as you can and going as hard as you can
into the corners.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
Do you do?

Speaker 8 (01:16:47):
You do?

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
You don't find the harvesting to be I don't know
a little bit lame.

Speaker 6 (01:16:53):
Well, you don't really know some when you're watching them.
And I haven't driven the formula one. How obviously noticed
that when you under in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
That's that's a good point. Yeah, thank you you cool John. Yeah,
and I to chat with you. Thank you very much. Right,
what do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call?

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say is anyone. I will fight anyone who says an
mg EV is cooler than a Buick Grand National g
and X specific So what was it? A buick? A

(01:18:31):
Buick Grand National National gn X g X.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Come on, Oh, okay, right, I can see what they say. Now,
it's a big car. It is a big car, beautiful car.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 10 (01:18:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
So the Genix and its nickname, it's known as the
Darth Vader. It does actually looks a little bit like darthabe.
I can see that. I can see it looks a
little bit like the helmet. So this text will fight
anyone who says an MGV is cooler than a Buick
Grand National gen X. Why are they why are they
texting that Entyler.

Speaker 8 (01:19:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
If anyone wants to text it and say an energy
is called, we can set up the fight. You don't know.
I thought it was because we were talking about what
Jerry Seinfelder said. Of course it is. So we're back
to our conversation about what the great comedian did say.
So here was his words.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
This is what he said to email in an interview.
So he said, I'm not interested in driving electric cars
at or anybody else wants to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
I think it's a big stupid virtual signal. Look at me,
I'm saving the planet year. What about lithium?

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
It's all b yes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
But also in a recent podcast, he also slammed the
look of modern cars.

Speaker 16 (01:19:33):
Why is it so hard for these companies to understand
what's cool culturally? Yeah, I'll tell you what's missing is confidence.
There's nothing sadder when you see older BMW's from the
early two thousands or the seventies and eighties, and you
see that confidence. Yeah, and now they're just screaming at
you with that horrible, bersurd, cartoonish ideas of design. That's

(01:19:57):
just like, who're just no design at all? But peganis
and things of that nature. Yes, there's no They think
that they're exotic and dramatic and they're embarrassing.

Speaker 7 (01:20:08):
Is there anything cool anymore?

Speaker 16 (01:20:09):
The st this car has that thing that we talk
about when you get out of it and you go,
why do I have anything else? I'm gonna get some
kerosene and I'm laving the rest of this stuff on fire.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
So the st Porsche is a beautiful looking cart, no
doubt about it. He loves his Porsche. So EV's just
virtue signaling and calls? Are cars call anymore? Drake ruined
forty years of the gen X being cool. I thought
it was Kendrick Lamar whose album was gen X, not Drake.
And of course Kendrick Maher and Drake hate each other,
don't they?

Speaker 6 (01:20:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:20:42):
They do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Tim How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:20:46):
Hey guys, I don't want to perform in a one thing.
They ort to set parameters. They need the noise. I
said that articule they come from speakers of God knows
what they should see it make parameters and maybe demitians
so they're not too long or short to pass, and
then they should give all these incredible benefactures of their ai.
They can pare or do what the hell they want?

Speaker 10 (01:21:06):
The key being to.

Speaker 19 (01:21:07):
Get to the finish line. The past picture, nitrogen anything,
alipzi next for stuff, and said white and the knuckles
and everybody the best man wins a Lizzy watch. Human
technology and AI and all these incredible engineers. That's push
humanity bord and to what the hell how fast we
can get these things going?

Speaker 12 (01:21:24):
I like it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Yeah, I I guess it would be a different competition, wouldn't.
Because the idea of Formula one is that they provide
a formula, which why it's called Formula one, and you
have to put the car together within those parameters. So
you're saying that the only parameters in that formula would
be the size of the car, and.

Speaker 19 (01:21:39):
Then they can make the parameters as it is now
if they want to save money. They seem to be
better at passing now a little bit smaller safe, that's
that's that's your chassis parameters, that's your rubber parameters. But
as far as horsepower and getting speed out of it,
you can put them. As long as your weight doesn't
get the superseded, you can put one that you can

(01:22:00):
power it. However the hell you want all petrol or electric,
nitrogen hydrogen, whatever the hell you want your power trains,
your own business. You just get to the signe fast
and see what AI in humanity and technology and all
incredible manufacture gets some new standards.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Have you ever seen have you seen the extent they
do they're going to at the moment to manufacture the
biofuels that they're they're putting through the combustion the power
unit at the moment, it's it's quite cool they are.
They're pushing that to quite to the limits.

Speaker 19 (01:22:33):
There are all sorts of technologies out there they should use,
and some of it they're actually having to muffle down.
And then and you know, quite back to technology. I
mean they will develop things like you know they don't
to develop breaks to stop the bloody things fast enough
and make them more powerful, just parameter safety restrictions and
just say, you incredible manufacturers have been going for generations

(01:22:54):
murder a MG and ferrari and let's push ourselves into
the next, you know, next level of technology of an AI.
Now with all this other stuff, new metals being discovered,
look at young god knows what and just say formula
for you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
It'll be interesting because you'd have what the formula the
embarrassing Formula E cars whipping around the track up against
someone running a you know, naturally espirated V eight Yeah,
a V ten, probably on bio fuel. I mean, it's
an interesting competition. It's probably not Formula one, but I
don't know that the court it's got to be. It
brings in you know, you're taking completely away the driver aspect,

(01:23:36):
the driving aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
He's pretty much taking like the Enhanced Games, right that
that new competition where athletes can take whatever drug they want.
You just you just have that with with IF one cars.
You can do pretty much whatever you want with it
as long as it goes the fastest.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
But then you'd have some muppet muppet just putting a
drone vehicle out there that was running the optimate line. Yeah,
you've got to have some rules. One hundred and eight
ten eightyes number to call get a nick?

Speaker 10 (01:23:59):
Yeah, Hi, how you going? And I don't know which
one it be.

Speaker 16 (01:24:02):
It was.

Speaker 10 (01:24:03):
I think you said you were going to read it.
I phone up her about five or six months ago
and that you read a book called Cobalt Read. I
don't know one of you said you were going to
You made a note of it. No event, but it
goes back further up the road prior to the electric car,
in otherwids, the batteries that run them, and it talks about.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
The how the blood of the how the blood of
the congo powers our lives. Is that the book that's right, right.

Speaker 10 (01:24:29):
Right, and how basically the Chinese have sewn up the
the production of the cobalt. And it talks about how
young kids and even older guys, the further down they
can dig tunnels to go mining to dig up, the
more they can get for the cobalt. But there was,
for instance, there was one example of a woman whose

(01:24:50):
husband had died in the mines during a mind collapse,
and she there's no welfare, there's no help or assistance,
so she's out there. She's got an eighteen month old
toddler on her hip, and she's sifting through her bucket
to get this this cobalt, which is only a small
percentage of a buck a rubble, and it just it

(01:25:11):
just talks about how they just totally deforested the area
so that they can make way for the acquisition of
the cobalt. And then it just talks about the corruption
and the cartels that are going in the Congo.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
So what you're saying, you say that anyone that's virtually
signaling around driving an EV and thinks they've got a
moral high ground.

Speaker 10 (01:25:33):
Yeah, I think the opposite. I think, well, you know,
how many people have you killed to get that battery?

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Well they've got to say there's been a few people
killed in the pursuit of oil.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 10 (01:25:45):
But you know, I don't think the young kids and
sort of you know, women with toddlers on the hips,
digging in the rubble, and it's talks about that. I
think it's it's a soul furic acid. It's some sort
of acid. There's a powder, and it's in the air.
It's destroying the environment, it's destroying the people. It's killing
people and they're getting buried as well. So next time

(01:26:07):
you're driving your electric spare a thought for the Congolese.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
All right, okay, But I mean to be fair that
it's not it's not just evs. It's batteries across the board,
so your smartphones, your laptops. I mean, if we've all
got blood on our hands, so be it. But I
don't know, I don't think think they are akin to blood.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Diamonds here, but thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to
call nine two niney two is the text will be
back very shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
It is a quarter past three. US talks'd be is
eighteen past three. If the if the All Blacks, and
I know this is just a suggestion, it's not coming
from the Rugby Union or whatever, are intent, but if
the All Blacks flew Premium Connie and then lost, they
be hell to pay run the certainly would the All Blacks.
If they can't afford to fly business class, then they

(01:26:54):
need to shut down. They're not a viable concern, and
they're are premiere, they're ambassadors for their country. They're our
premier sports team. We can't be sending them over in
cattle class. No, they've got to fly. That's an If
they can't afford to go to fly business class, then
shut it down, shut the whole thing down. Wrap itop,

(01:27:14):
let's stop playing rugby, wrap it up. Yeah, looking forward
to hearing that on here the show a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
But back to our discussion about whether evs are cool
or just people who drive them a virtue signaling this
is nice tixst here giddy guys. Highlands Motorsport Park here
in Cromwell, great spot. Have a push ty Can EV
zero to one hundred and two seconds has internal and
external speakers that you can change to any sound you like.
Three incredible launch modes. V eight's all day for me.

(01:27:42):
But love the Porsche tye Can. That's from Steve were
There wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Be speakers in the world that could generate the sounds
of Formula one v ten back in the day. Yeah, right,
there will be no way. I wouldn't have thought so
you would that Porsche. You say, any sound in the world.
But is it loud enough because that Porsche it would
have to have basically giant PA speakers strapped to the roof. Yeah,

(01:28:09):
to make that kind of noise exactly, Steve, tell us more, mate,
But you've got to say that that is you know,
that is quick. It is the two seconds woo. The talk, Yeah,
that's some peep to it. The talk. Kevin, you're not
a fan of evs.

Speaker 19 (01:28:24):
Yeah, how are you going?

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Good mate?

Speaker 20 (01:28:26):
Yeah, I've got a story for you. I've got a
Ford Falcon twenty and thirteen and it's an echo boost
turbo two liter, right and absolutely well, not to one hundred.
There's zero point seven of a second flower than the
next six, and not to one hundred, it's one second

(01:28:50):
flower than a fourth plus you go mm hmm. And
it's just an amazing car. And you know, yeah, you'd
never want an e V after you know, this one's
so cheap to run, you know, if you don't, you know,
don't have the turbo on and all and drive it sensibly.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Yeah, so is that all given using the eco boost?

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
I mean, if you've got a combustion engine, I mean,
don't you just forget about the price of guess and
go hard?

Speaker 20 (01:29:21):
Yeah? Well but I've got to I've got a real
neat story attached to it, if you'd like to hear it. Sure, So, okay,
this is what happened. I've got a bit of quite
a bit of ESP about me, and it happens every winter.
So anyway, I'd had a great one on the tab
and I had quite a bit of money, like about
sixteen thousand in the telephone account. So anyway, I said

(01:29:45):
to my wife, I reckon, the Waratahs are going to
beat the Saders over and Ozzy right, And that was
my ESP coming through, And it was you know, for
anybody that hasn't got it, you wouldn't be able to
understand it. But it's like somebody keep telling you, you know,
take it, take it, you know in your mind. So anyway,

(01:30:07):
went out for what couldn't wait to get the herald
to see what the Warrior Tars were paining. And the
pain just over two dollars. So anyway, I put a
twelve thousand on for them to win at just over two. Right,
And so anyway, come back from my walk and my

(01:30:28):
wife said, oh, because some bad news. I said, what
she said, Oh, the captain's out he'd been injured for
the war Retars. And I said, oh, no, I'm not worried.
So anyway, two minutes from the end, the Warrior Tars
were trailing by one or two points. Anyway, Richie McCaw
got penalized and they slutted a forty meter kick.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
Hey, hang on a minute, Ritchie McCaw turned about a
couple of weekends ago.

Speaker 20 (01:30:57):
No, no, no, this is two thousand and four.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Sorry, carry on.

Speaker 20 (01:31:01):
And so anyway, Richie mccor got penalized, Waretar stepped up
spluttered the forty meter kick. So it was only about
a minute to go then, and of course the Sayers
ran back to halfway to kick off again, and I'm saying, no, no, no,
you know anyway, twenty six thousand, four hundred later.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
So you spend it on an EV.

Speaker 20 (01:31:28):
No, no, my falcon.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Oh and on your falcon. They's so you've got your
falcon ah right.

Speaker 20 (01:31:33):
You see, they brought them out brand new. They were
either thirty four or thirty six thousand, and no one
wanted them. So I got mine from the hawk's bay
without even seeing it. And they wanted twenty nine. They
got up for twenty six cash.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
A good deal. Jail, that is a good deal. That
was the destiny for you, Kevin. I think what Richie mccorder. No,
he didn't obviously didn't slot that. I don't think he
was a kicker, was he?

Speaker 14 (01:32:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
No, But thank if you call Kevin, I really appreciate it.
Listen to this, you know, the the Ferrari Luce an
EV four door estate car, an EV four door estate
car Ferrari right expected to be eight hundred k to
one mill es. Yeahpers now that's you might as well
get I'm rich tattooed on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
You for you exactly if you've got an eight hundred
thousand k to spend on a Ferrari suv and zeepers. Anyway, right,
we'll take another couple of calls. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is an able to call? It is twenty
four past.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Three Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Twenty six past three. Coming up in about five minutes.
Gareth abdenaor employment lawyer, will be joining us. This is
your opportunity to get some free advice. He's one of
the best in the business. If you've got a problem
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man to chat to. So he's coming up in about
five minutes time. But we have been discussing EV's in
the time being and plenty of texts coming through on

(01:33:05):
nine two nine two. This one's is Giday guys. In
terms of ev coolness, I think they are absolutely cool.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
I've got a Tesla.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I was one of the first in New Zealand to
get one, and the amount of looks I got when
I originally had it. People loved it. It's gone down
a little bit in the coolness factor. But I still
think the new EV's coming to the market are pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
There you go, what a balanced approach. Yeah, let's have
a quick chat to Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Jason, we've got about sixty seconds, but you're about to
buy an EV.

Speaker 10 (01:33:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well I think it's a no brainer,
like if so, just like the numbers. So if you
charge up your Tesla at home, If you go and
buy a Tesla Model Way long Range, for example, and
you charge it up at home to do about five
hundred ks is going to cost about twenty dollars in electricity.
And if you're driving an equivalent side the suv and

(01:33:58):
you do five hundred k's and let's say it's doing
nine Leaders per hundred k's at three dollars something a
leader now it's more like one hundred and fifty dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
But as cheaper caller, Well, I.

Speaker 10 (01:34:09):
Don't see the difference. I mean, it's the car, right,
It's just like the cares some ten years time. Is
it going to matter to you, Like it's just money,
It's just it's all not I mean, it's just you're
going to work. You don't get to work in a
in a Dodge Challenger. You go to work in a
cheap car and you drive the Dodge Challenger on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Right, Well yes, but but would you say the Dodge
Challenger is cooler?

Speaker 10 (01:34:31):
Oh, well, they're very cool. But it's everything, right, So
your sport motorbikes will stay petrol. You you go to work,
cars will be electric. Your your trucks will have an
electric engine and a power generator to constantly charge them
up as they go. And then some other vehicles will
run on. Because the Chinese have sold billions of dollars
worth of reasonably cheap and efficient farm agricultural equipment all

(01:34:54):
over the world, there's a lot more food being grown,
so there'll be a lot of vehicles running on by
a feel as well, So it's a mixer of everything,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Yeah, it's like, but to.

Speaker 10 (01:35:04):
Drive around on a daily use, I mean versus one
hundred and fifty dollars as an no brainer, right, Like
it's just like that's just an automatic decision. Yeah, especially
if you're doing a few k's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Yeah, good on here, Jason spot On. I mean, EV's
are definitely cool. You know, the talk is amazing, the
tech is incredible, obviously, are they better for the environment? Whatever?
That means probably not. Probably not when you add it
all up, and I think you have to probably drive
one for about ten years for you know, Evans out
it's it's carbon footprint if you care about that kind

(01:35:36):
of thing.

Speaker 12 (01:35:36):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Are they as cool as a nineteen sixty nine Chevrolet
Camaro super Charge four one hundred. I don't know, No,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
I like EV's, but no, I don't think they are
a great discussion. Thank you very much everyone who called
and text on that one. Right coming up after the headlines.
Gareth Abden, or employment lawyer, is with us and this
is your opportunity to get on the phone. So I
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only with us once a month.

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Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Thank you very much, Rayleen so Gareth Abdenaor is an employment,
workplace and information expert. He's also the director of Abdenor
Employment Law. He joins us once a month to answer
your questions, and he's back with us right now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Get a Gareth.

Speaker 24 (01:37:43):
Good day guys.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
How you doing very good? Hey Gareth? You mind if
I start with the most pathetic text we've ever got?
I just it's alimat Oh, pretty high idea. I mean
when we get great calls, great texts on this, but
this one just just sometimes I just wonder what kind
of people that these are out there. I don't want
to be judgmental, because you know, good on you, but
I will be to your lawyer. We have moved into

(01:38:06):
a new building. They have put in a shower. I
ran into work on Monday. I showered. There was no
soap or shampoo. Do they have to supply that or
should I bring it in? I thought i'd ask before
I raise it with management. Oh my goodness, it's a
doozy there.

Speaker 24 (01:38:23):
Wow, jeez, the sense of entitlement, it's actually quite staggering. Yeah,
take your own soap.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Go to management and they'll say, we just got your shower. Yeah,
what do you want from us?

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
You want some Dove soap bars to go along with
your little shower. I mean, unbelievable. It's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:38:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
I'm just trying to get my heat around that situation there.
I would say, Look, I'm sure that they would or
plan to supply soap, but I don't know. Probably not shampoo. No, no,
there's too far. There's one step too far. But they
might have some nice night scare steal in there for you.
But I mentioned the management when you asked them about that,

(01:39:03):
will not think highly of you.

Speaker 10 (01:39:04):
Going for it?

Speaker 20 (01:39:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:39:05):
Yeah, anyway, it might be career limiting.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
The focused on it. Yeah, c verify that right? Oh one,
go to Ben? Yeah, Ben, you are on with Gareth.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Go for it mate.

Speaker 10 (01:39:18):
Hey, it's a quick question.

Speaker 5 (01:39:19):
We've got a permanent contract but no minimum sit hours.
What's the rules around that.

Speaker 24 (01:39:26):
Well, it depends on rules about what they can't. They
can't dismiss you and they can't stop giving you work.
If you feel like they're not giving you enough, then.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
No, no, no, it's it's wondering a yeah, if the
hours are I don't know. If you're on a permanent
contract and not a casual contract, is they meant to
be a minimum set or can.

Speaker 9 (01:39:51):
It go ahead like that?

Speaker 13 (01:39:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:39:54):
Sometimes there are permanent contracts without foxed hours, and then
it really depends on agreement between the two parties. Often
what happens is it starts as a casual employment relationship
and then over time it takes on a degree of
regularity and then it becomes permanent. Of course, if you're

(01:40:15):
the employee, it's much better to be on a permanent
contract than a casual one. If you're the employer, maybe
not so good, but yes, that is possible.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
Okay, thank you, Good luck with there being Yeah. I mean,
if you're in a contract, a permanent contract, and you're
not given any hours for a month, I mean, is
that a really a job?

Speaker 12 (01:40:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
Not really?

Speaker 24 (01:40:40):
Yeah, Well that I think you must probably have a
pretty good case for unfair dismissal.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Then you've kind of essentially been quietly dismissed if you're
not getting any hours. Here's my question for the employment law.
And my partner works at home each Tuesday and has
done this for the last two years. Yesterday, my partner
went to the supermarket to buy some coffee and her
boss called her when she was out to ask her
a question. Mmm. My partner told the boss she would

(01:41:07):
be home in ten minutes and that she had just
gone to get some coffee at the supermarket. On returning,
my partner contacted her boss and answered a question. Today,
when my partner went to work, her boss called her
into the office and told my partner that if she
left home during working from home that she must inform
the boss. Can the boss demand this and how should

(01:41:28):
my partner handle the situation? She is ray, Yeah, I
guess my.

Speaker 24 (01:41:36):
Initial advice would be, maybe don't go to the supermarket
during working hours. If you're going during your lunch break, fine,
but if you go during your working hours, that's just
going to raise questions. I think it's going too far
from the employer saying that you have to let them
know when you're leaving home. But you've kind of caused

(01:42:01):
a problem by not working when you should be working,
so you're going to have to rebuild that trust.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
It's an interesting one because if you're working from home,
you know, and you're going do your laundry or clean
the kitchen, it's kind of taking the mack, isn't it
that you're coming time? I mean, you're getting paid to
work strictly. You should be keeping you should be kitching,
you should be keeping the same you know, break time
that you would if you were in the office. Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 24 (01:42:32):
And that's part of the problem with working from home.
Some people are going to be really conscientious and there
are lots of arguments that you know, when I'm working
from home, I'm far more productive. Yeah, some people are
a lot of people, aren't. You know, it can be
quite tempting to make yourself a snap snack in the kitchen,

(01:42:53):
make you catch up on the news headlines, maybe watch
a bit of TV, do the washing. And is that
really fair when you're being paid to work?

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
And yet if you're at work and you go into
the kitchen that she had kitchen and do the dishes,
you're a hero.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Yeah, exactly, So go back into the office. Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Nine two ninety two is the text? If you've got
a question for Gareth? Now is your opportunity just before
we play some messages? Good text here or question gheto Gareth.
How much trouble can someone realistically get into for sending
inappropriate teams or select messages that everyone thought were funny

(01:43:30):
at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
What does that mean.

Speaker 24 (01:43:33):
Depends on what you mean by inappropriate, But you could
get dismissed.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:43:41):
That five out of ten might might think it's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
It's not a defense. Celebrity is not a defensive. It's
not Unfortunately the key words there that everyone thought was
funny at the time, but you don't know not everyone
tells you when they didn't think what you said was funny,
And even people laughing may not actually really be laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Yeah, that's a great point. You might be in trouble,
dear Texter, but keep those seats coming through. On nine two,
nine two, it is twenty to four, Beggary shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

Speaker 7 (01:44:14):
Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk, said
be it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Is seventeen to four and we're joined by Gareth Abdenough
Employment Law and director of Abdenaugh Employment Law. This is
your opportunity to ask him a question, get some free
advice if you got a problem in your workplace, So
you got a problem with your employees, he's the man.

Speaker 7 (01:44:29):
To chat to.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
The sex says hey, Gareth, my partner has a lot
of illness. She always gets a medical certificate for the
time off, but her company now says, because of her
time off, she needs to go from forty hours to
fifteen hours a week. Can they do this?

Speaker 24 (01:44:44):
Yeah, So this is an increasing issue that I'm dealing
with where people get employed to do a job, they
don't end up doing that job, or they are unable
to do that job because of sickness. And often the
sickness is genuine, so they're not taking the mickey, they're
not calling in sick and going to the beach. They

(01:45:05):
actually unwell. Difficulty is if they can't do the job
that they've been paid to do, then the employer has
a problem there. So an employer can suggest that someone
reduces their hours. They can't force you to do that.
But if they suggest that you reduce your hours so

(01:45:27):
that it fits with your medical capacity and you turn
it down, they could potentially terminate your employment. They would
have to go through a process with you first. They
can't just spring it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
On you, right, I mean that's rough on both sides. Right,
So you're unable to do the job. But if you're
an employee, you need the job done.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
You need someone there to do the job right. Yeah,
you want to be sympathetic. Imagine most employee would do,
but you need someone there.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
I mean, especially if it's a really small business. Yeah.
The six says. I work in retail, the boss is
put in a time clock. Fred Flin Sione staff. If
we late, we get the minutes taken off out of
our pay. But then at the end of the day
we can't just walk out. It can take fifteen to
twenty minutes packing up or getting customers out. So if
they take it one end, should they add back at
the other end. Also, she said, if you don't clock

(01:46:20):
and you don't get paid.

Speaker 24 (01:46:24):
Yeah, I have seen that before where it seems a
bit one sided, where if you don't start on time,
they start taking away, but you're expected to stay late.
I think I think it should cut both ways. And
so you know, if there's a five minute gros period

(01:46:45):
at the beginning, there should be a five minute gros
period at the end, or fifteen minutes or whatever it is.
And if it's going to start strictly on the dot,
then that should apply for home time as well.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
I guess the thing is that with retail, right, you
have to be there when the door opens though, So
that's right. So if you're constantly being late, then that
could be a problem.

Speaker 24 (01:47:07):
Definitely going to be an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Yeah, but I didn't know that people still had time clocks.
Are you seeing them around?

Speaker 24 (01:47:13):
It's pretty old school.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
Who would you give one?

Speaker 24 (01:47:19):
You know, lots of factories, some supermarkets, places like that
where there are a lot of people starting at different
times and finishing at different times, and a lot of
people paid on an hourly basis rather than a salary.
I still do see it, but it is pretty old school.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Yeah, Anthony, you're on with Gareth.

Speaker 11 (01:47:44):
I'm gonna for the freight company. I do line all work.
We signed drive agreements contract drive agreements. Inside that drive
agreement is a three strike system. So if we have
courtil praying three times in a year, that's three strikes
were gone to one of that. We have all those

(01:48:06):
cinemat truck so they can pick me up from talking.
But the issue was I can get done for this,
but the trucks that driver and count have the system
so they can talk on their final day and no
punishing whatsoever. Is that fear?

Speaker 24 (01:48:25):
Well, that does seem a bit unfair, but it may
not be unlawful. I think the ideal would be if
all of the trucks had that technology.

Speaker 12 (01:48:40):
But I.

Speaker 11 (01:48:42):
Am to see this punished. Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:48:45):
I mean if if you are an owner driver contractor,
and most owner drivers that I'm aware of are contractors
not employees. It's really whatever whatever the parties agree in
that contract. And if if they've put in that three
strikes and you've agreed to it, well then you're stuck

(01:49:06):
with it. I guess the lesseners, you know, don't talk
on the phone.

Speaker 20 (01:49:12):
Oh no, I know.

Speaker 11 (01:49:15):
Guys who.

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 24 (01:49:21):
I guess the only positive side of that is they're
going to be so used to doing that that when
the technology comes in, they're going to get a short,
sharp shock.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Yeah. All the best, all the best.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Yeah, thank you very much for your call, Anthony Quick Ticke.
So you get a Gareth. My worker is always sick
the day before a long weekend. He has done this
about five times since last year. How can I probe
him on this?

Speaker 25 (01:49:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:49:48):
I mean very five times in a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
Is that enough?

Speaker 24 (01:49:57):
But certainly if you can start to see a pattern,
you can definitely raise it with the employee. I wouldn't
be charging in like a bull in a China shop
and issuing you a formal warning or threatening to dismiss them.
But you can definitely raise it, and you can say
we're seeing this pattern. Is there something we are unaware of?

(01:50:21):
It seems quite coincidental. If this continues to happen, there
is going to be a problem. So you know, I
would definitely raise your concerns and that way they can't
argue that they weren't aware of them. And if they
continue to do that, well then it will become either
a performance or a disciplinary issue.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
Well there's the other situation. Isn't a millennial Monday where
a millennial like Tyler will go really hard on Friday
and Saturday and then they find themselves, due to their
excessive partying, unable to come to work on Monday. Hey
look I turn up. I'm just thirty percent.

Speaker 24 (01:50:58):
I'm still I'm way too old to comment.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
The stixter says, I work for a company and have
recently resigned. I've got a center letter offering severance money,
a very large amount if I didn't talk about their
business practices to other employers. Is this legal?

Speaker 24 (01:51:16):
Well, if you agree to it and you take the money,
I don't see why it wouldn't be I think best
practices when you leave an organization shouldn't really be talking
about them anyway, because you could potentially be breaching your
confidentiality obligations. So juz, if it was me, i'd agree

(01:51:38):
to ith.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
An interesting situation if you weren't planning to blow the
whistle and so it's just you're getting money for something
you were never going to do anyway, catch that bonus. Yeah,
I think we've got time for one more quick text
question here. Hi there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
I work in retail and the boss has set a
weekly budget every so often that the budget is increased
without notice and there and is there a time frame
that the bosses have to give their employees when they
are sitting budgets in retail?

Speaker 24 (01:52:05):
Well, they always have to act fairly and reasonably. I
think setting or increasing a budget without discussing it with
the employees and without giving them notice, on the face
of it, seems unreasonable. I suppose it depends on what's
the consequence of not meeting the budget. Is it going
to affect your pay or something like that. If so,

(01:52:25):
there needs to be a process in place.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Yeah, very good, Gareth, Thank you very much. Again.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Always a pleasure having you on, and we've got a
whole bunch of techs that will save for next time.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
Sounds good, See you next month, See your next month.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
That is Gareth abdenaor Employment Workplace and Information expert. You
can find them at abdenorlaw dot nz. And just a reminder,
the content of the segment is general in nature and
is not illegal advice and information discussed is not intended
to be a substitute for obtaining specific professional advice and
shouldn't be relied upon as such.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
Tyler, how much would I have to pay you to
keep quiet about some of my, let's say, quirky and
unprofessional behavior in our particular workplace. Let's take a break
and we'll talk about that. It is nine minutes before
some of my bizarre a lot of money behavior, the
big stories.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
The big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons, Hu's Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
News Talks ed B. It is six to four And
just a reminder. Gareth will join us back here in
about a month's time. But for everyone who sent the text,
three will save them for next time, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
And that's the end. Of the show. Thank you so
much for listening. Thanks for all your calls and texts
over the last four hours of radio Like, it went
so fast, didn't it, Dad, the Great and Powerful Heather
Dupas see Allen is up next on the show. But
right now, Tyler, my good friend, why am I playing

(01:53:54):
this deeply groovy track from War's nineteen seventy five album
Why Can't We Be Friends? What a grace service is?
It's called Lowrider, isn't it?

Speaker 10 (01:54:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
Yeah, because we had a great discussion Jerry Seinfield. He
had a crack at EV's and modern cars, saying that
uncol but it's not. Also because when you went to
was it Los Angeles? You were driving around in a
Lincoln Continental.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Tell you what, that Lincoln Continental. You can't go over
speed bumping that and actually I got stuck in the
Hollywood Hills trying to get around corners. Yeah, that Lincoln
nineteen sixty nine Lincoln Continental two do or beautiful car. Yes, basically,
because we were asking whether EV's were cool or just
a massive virtue signal. And there's one thing for sure,
there's no one driving a lowered m G EV Are
they very true?

Speaker 17 (01:54:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
But who was that comedian Tererry Seinfield Signfield Seinfeld, Seinfeld, yeah,
Signfield Yeah. I don't want to be I don't want
to be a pedantic Thailand thing because it's not like
I can speak either. If he's lessening, he would be
very upset by there, be very furious. All Right, we'll
we're back live from midday tomorrow until then. Give him
a taste of KeyWe you seen busy, We'll let you go.

Speaker 19 (01:55:09):
Go.

Speaker 25 (01:55:10):
Ride is a little higher, No ride that a little

(01:55:45):
ride a real core.

Speaker 10 (01:55:55):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
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