Full Show Podcast: 14 April 2026

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 14th of April, as we live through the current global oil crisis Matt and Tyler proposed that energy security should surely be our number one priority.

Then, would you like to live forever if you could?

And to finish, males commonly lose friends as they get older just when they need them most, tips and tricks from listeners on how to fix this common problem.

Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.

LISTEN ABOVE

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said, b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
the big Stories, the leak issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Be.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday show.
Really great to have you listening and hope you're having
a great day so far.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Agaday, mattes get a, Tyler Gida everyone, thanks for tuning in.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Big show for you today, huge, huge, and we should
say that because it is MESSI for you, you lucky
lucky things. After three o'clock. How to keep friendships after
forty years old? A New Zealand Herald article article rather
argues that many men end up isolated by forty not
because friendships aren't available, but because of common habits and
mindset shifts that come with age, so careers, family responsibilities

(01:04):
and routines takeover. It argues, men often stop putting effort
into forming new connect rely too heavily on old friendships
that start to drift away or avoid vulnerability and initiating contact.
Over time, The article says this leads to smaller, less
active social circles.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yeah, the ladies are much better at keeping meaningful friendships
across life, aren't they? After forty and you know, you
have this thing. You know, you're working somewhere, you become
buddies with a dude, and then when you leave that workplace,
you basically never reach out to them again. Right, They're
a good dude that you liked hanging out with. Now
you just don't even bother story as old as time
and then ten years later, Oh that guy, Yeah, I

(01:41):
really like that guy. M I should have put some
effort into being friends with that guy. Yep, I could
deal with some friends.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, So that's going to be an interesting discussion after
three o'clock. How do you keep and maintain friendships after
the age of forty, particularly if you're a fella. After
two o'clock, would you want to live forever in a
modern A Wisdom podcast hosted by Chris Williamson. Fantastic Podcast
had a fascinating conversation with David Friedman, Here's a signist,

(02:08):
author and businessman, about the growing science that is happening
all around the globe on living forever.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, well, at least living to two hundred and fifty years.
They've made some great developments recently, so as the Queen
song goes who.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Wan to live forever?

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Aging may not be permanent damage like we assume it is,
but a breakdown and how genes are switched on and
off inside cells. That makes sense. Scientists have found that
using certain factors, they can reset these switches, effectively making
old cells behave like young ones, which has already been
shown in animals and lab grown human cells. So they're

(02:50):
already switching them off. So basically, you switch the part
of the cell off that is making that's making you old,
and it regenerates and then you're just young forever. So
it's incredible. It's closer than it's ever been. But would
you want to live for Yeah? Would you want to
live for two hundred and fifty years?

Speaker 3 (03:11):
That's going to be in the fascinating discussion after two o'clock.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
I mean, obviously two on and fifty years isn't forever.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's a long time though, yeah, hell of a long time.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, I don't know how. I mean, arguably you could
you If they can switch these genes around and your
side yourselves, then why wouldn't you You could go and
you just go into the head by a bus.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, looking forward to your thoughts on that after Talklop.
But right now, let's talk about energy. In a recent article,
Liam Dan of a New Zealand Herald argues that the
situation and I ran highlight's an important point. If we
prioritize energy security over climate driven carbon targets as our
primary motivation, we may be able to build a much
broader consensus around change resilience and how much we pay

(03:52):
for energy in New Zealand. So, in other words, net
zero wouldn't necessarily or should necessarily be the number one
priority of our energy strategy. A similar debate is currently
playing out in the UK, including commentary from UK political
analyst Constantine Kiss. And have a listen.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
What percentage of global carbon emissions is Britain responsible for?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
But one one percent?

Speaker 5 (04:13):
So if we reduce our carbon emissions to zero and
destroy our economy even more than we already have, we
will reduce global carbon emissions by one percent. That's what
we're talking about, right And the promise of net zero
was well, it doesn't matter that it's one percent, because
Britain is a global leader. We will inspire the world
if we destroy our industry and hand it over to China,

(04:34):
who is going to make the same things that we
still need, but dirtier, and then we ship them back
here on ships that use the dirtiest fuel and imaginable.
If we do that, the Chinese will be inspired to
commit industrial suicide as well. The Chinese is clearly not
as stupid as our leaders, so they haven't committed industrial suicide.
That is what net zero has done. We have the
highest industrial electricity prices in the developed world. That means

(04:58):
we basically cannot make anything in this country anymore. And
we will not be able to make anything in this
country anymore until we let go of this ridiculous idea
that we will inspire other people people to jump off
a cliff late Lemmings because we did.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
It doesn't It doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
It's not going to deliver prosperity.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
And James talks about we need a strong economy and
we need net zero. Those two things are incompatible. You
can't have both. We are going to have to abandon
completely the idea of net zero. We can definitely continue
to invest in new technology, and we should be, and
we should be pursuing newer, cleaner, cheaper forms of energy,
But the number one priority of government policy going forward

(05:35):
should be to deliver the cheapest possible, reliable, abundant energy
that we can so that a our industry can thrive
and b so that you are not paying ridiculous electricity
and gas prices. Net zero is industrial suicide and we've
been committing it for far too long and it has
to end.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
So what do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Is he right?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Is he wrong? How does that relate to New Zealand's
Should the government's number one priority be to deliver the
cheapest possible reliable energy that they can and anything else
is nice to have after that? What do you think? Oh,
weight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Tell us you've used nine two ninety two? Is the text? Number?

Speaker 6 (06:18):
Is?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Well? It is twelve past one, bag very shortly.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Be very good afternoons. Sure it is a quarter past one.
So should energy security be New Zealand's top priority above
all other concerns? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call? Nine two niney two is
the text A couple of texts coming through this one
yid A Matt and Tyler energy. The magic fix has
not been found. More hydra would be great. The electric
cars and data centers counter much of that opportunity. Costs

(06:53):
have risen sixty two percent. No new dams. We have
had supply risks three out of five years. Damn and
drill baby. That's from Lionel.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Yeah, it's funny though we're not talking just about the power.
So seventy percent of the energy that we consume is
liquid fuel petrol diesel, and ninety nine percent of transport
is on these liquid fuels, right, these imported fossil fuels.
So you know, we're you know, having the having the

(07:23):
hydro dams. Bloody good it is. But that's only thirty
percent of the power usage in our country. And that's
the that's the all the power grid.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Right, yeah, the electricity generation.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, and eighty six percent as generally speakings about eighty
six percent comes from hydro, which is really awesome.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
It is that that puts us above a lot of
the world in terms of that renewable electricity, but that's
not our overall energy needs.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, but look how much we've freaked out at what's
happening at the moment with fuel in the world, even
though we've had nowhere near shortage this I mean, a
few people chicken Lickens, thought we might have a shortage
of fuel, but that was never going to happen. But
what has happened is the price has gone up and
we've gone careazy, yes, because and we've realized that that
is just by far the I mean, it's seventy percent, right,

(08:11):
it is so diesel petrol, it's seventy percent.

Speaker 8 (08:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
And when we look at the idea of net zero,
and we have signed up to achieve net zero emissions
by twenty to fifty as part of that international deal.
But some of the pushback there is clearly its high
economic and compliance costs to reach that net zero, infrastructure
and energy security risks. New Zealand tries to phase out
fossil fuels, it faces an impeding natural gas shortage as
we know, and then that rising electricity demand, the reduced

(08:39):
competitive competitiveness in agriculture, reliance on forestry offsets, I mean,
the list goes on on the pushback on that focus
on net zero. When times were good, I could see
that that was a fine goal to try and achieve that,
to try and look at becoming more sustainable and renewable.
But we're not in good times right now. In fact,

(09:00):
this should be a wake up cause, Liam Dan said,
into our vulnerability in this country and we're seeing this
as we're heading into winter. Mypowerbill is just on up
twenty seven percent. Yours would have as well, so it
keeps going up and up and up without any overthinking,
overarching thinking of is net zero actually good for what
we're trying to achieve here?

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:17):
So really is that that the government? I mean, what
we're really saying here, aren't we is that that the
government's focus should be before anything else. Number one priority
should be delivered the cheapest possible reliable energy they possibly can.
I've put two possibles in there, but which Okay, So

(09:40):
the other side of it, right is climate change, human
human produced climate change. The amount of carbon that New
Zealand's pumping into the to the atmosphere. So that's the
other side of it, right, That's what it needs zero
is say, yep, that we believe that New Zealand is
pumping too much carbon into the atmosphere. That's going to
have a negative impact on the world, and so that

(10:01):
is a caveat that has to be in there in
that decision. Yes, so number one priority should be to
deliver the cheapest possible, reliable energy they possibly can. But
on top of that, we should reduce our amount of carbon. Yeah,
and are those and as so, is it possible to
have a thriving economy whilst using the caveat of trying

(10:24):
to get less carbon and our energy supply?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, and that is the big question. And keen on
your views on that. Oh, one hundred and eighty teen
eighty is that number of cour plenty of dicks coming
through on nine two niney two.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Matt, there's definitely going to be fuel shortage, you egg, No,
fifty three days at the moment, and can we stop
listing the number of days on I just keep hearing
people saying the number of days. Feel we've got more
fuel coming in than we normally have.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Exactly that's the crazy part when we started this whole
crisis and then they said there was twenty six days
of diesel. Now you look at the situation and we've
got fifty two days. So you know, things question to play.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
We should only start freaking out when that gets lower.
The problem is how much it's costing us, right, Yeah,
so we're not going to have a problem with fuel supply.
We are going to have a we are problem with
how much we have to pay for it.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, keep those ticks coming through. On nine two nine two.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Michelle says, boys, absolutely, that's correct. Just look at the
mill process enclosures due to electricity costs. There are many
policies that are ideolatrially based but end up making things worse.
Just look at Road to Zero and those stupid raised
crossings that have spread faster than viruses.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, so what are they?

Speaker 4 (11:32):
What are the road that the raised crossings aren't anything
to do with this, right, No.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
I think she was talking about the ideology on the
Road to zero speed limits. So then they had all
of those crazy little speed bumps that they built pretty
much on every street and you see it. That felt
like for the idea that we need to lower the
speed limit everywhere because it's too dangerous.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Is that why they oh to be because it's too dangerous?

Speaker 9 (11:51):
Now?

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, what I don't understand is raised pedestrian cost rings.
This is another topic because by the time you hit
the pedestrian crossing. You've already hit everyone on at a.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Paste right, Yeah exactly. They make no sense to me.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Pedestrian crossings should just be a matter of paint.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah exactly. Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. So do you think New
Zealand should be putting few arts energy security rather at
the forefront of all other considerations considering the situation we're
in at the moment.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
A great brilliant guys, amazing irresponsible chat. Just let the
world burn for dollars good, one says this text.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
All right if you agree with that, texter, keen to
hear your view. It is twenty one past one bag
very surely.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking
breakfast and.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
The fallouts now material and the services sector back in contraction,
Grand Olds and other inm for metrics back with.

Speaker 10 (12:41):
Us in the Reserve Bank is in this awful position
and unlest we clear make this sucks. You've either got
to lift interest rates try and curb inflation that just
is still too hot. And you've also risking clearly kneecapping,
not only an economic recovery which just has disappeared, but
knocking the economy while it's down, that is an awful
set of circumstances to try and make a decision.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
For true that do you top out at three percent?

Speaker 10 (13:01):
This is where I've just agree with A and Z's assessment.
Look at the last eighteen months. The economy certainly hasn't
been firing on all cylinders. I'm not sure all three
percent will be en up. I hope it is, but
I'm just not sure.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Husking Breakfast with
Rain Drivers fort SV News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Very good afternoon to you. So should energy security take
precedence over all other considerations in New Zealand? Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Trevor.
What's your view on this?

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (13:29):
You guys?

Speaker 11 (13:29):
A right?

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, good mate.

Speaker 9 (13:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
What made me ring was that last teacher rang out,
that person complaining about we should do something so the
world doesn't burn. I mean, they were probably the sort
of person that says, let's close our coal mines so
we're green and the world doesn't burn. And we import
coal from Malaysia and burn it. That's dirty than ours.
It's like all these greens are saying, oh, close our
farms down. But if we close our farms down, I mean,

(13:54):
it's a pretty well known fact our farming is cleaner
and greener than the other people that would supply the
product to us. And I just don't think the line
of thinking is just it's just not common senten. It's like,
you know, you know, everybody should be paid a living
wage in the world.

Speaker 12 (14:12):
There should be no child labor.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
So we stop all that in New Zealand, which is fine.
We all run to kmart and buy our clothes. And
how has that made? Yeah, I mean I just find
everything so as I say, you know, stop farming, so
let these other countries that are dirty than us get
in and make all the money and supplied, you know,
pollute the world more. I just think there's going to

(14:34):
be a bigger fight back to these clowns like that
last person that well the world burns. I mean, that's
just a stupid statement.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Do you think what would you support? So for industry
to succeed in New Zealand, we need cheaper energy. The
energy is a big problem right now and that's why
we're seeing We're seeing closures all over the shop just
because our expensive energy is And that's before this whole
situation we have now with what's happening in the Middle East.
Just before that, just our electricity prices are going up.

(15:05):
So what do you think we can do, Trevor? If
we took net zero out of the and we were
just doing what we thought what was best to do
to get the price of energy down in our country.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well what I would do. I would stop doing things
these days not thinking what the consequences is going to be.
I mean, those two things I mentioned, I've just confirmed
the consequences are were. Yeah, it's made it worse by
us jumping in and trying to be good. As I said,
we're in a rush and close our coal mines. You know,
we would be burning cleaner coal than we're burning now.

(15:40):
You're the same with farming. And I just find it
all so hypocritical. And as I say, I love making
the point about everybody is holy than our nobody. Issues
have worked for slave labor wages, children shouldn't be abused.
Yet we all rushed the kmart to buy our ten
dollar hoodies. I wonder how there is.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
A lot of hypocrisy in this argument. No doubt about it.
Cole is an interesting one though, wasn't it, Truvor and
I do agree with you as I just looked it
up and we've got fifteen billion tons as a resource
in New Zealand. And then obviously because of that agreement
we signed up to for net zero and a lot
of other environmental considerations, they can't dig it up to
the extent that they want to. But that's not to
say we can't have some of those other renewal projects

(16:19):
on the side. But it's similar to how China operates, right,
is that they are going full noise on renewables while
still a producing more column I've ever produced in their existence.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Absolutely right, you have to be bringing more technology into
the grid as it comes through because because you don't
want to just use fossil fuels because you love fossil fuels. Yeah, yeah,
you want to You want to find the best and
cheapest sources of energy that you possibly can. So if
you can, if you can back up the grid with
some solar and some wind, bloody great, yep, more hydro,

(16:50):
let's go.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
And you know another thing I want to say, You know,
we're struggling for money to look after ourselves. Do New
Zealanders know that us being the part of the Parish
Agreement costs US one point four billion billion dollars a year.

Speaker 12 (17:06):
You make it for five years.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
We said, look, we've got to look up for our
own country. We're not giving lots of reasons. Mainly it
gets given to a lot of It gets given to
developing Asian countries where a lot of the politicians aren't
so honest. Nobody knows where the money goes. One point
four billion dollars we are giving to the Paris Agreement
and make them what we could do with that money
every year.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, Trevor, thanks to your forts. Trevor, thanks for calling.
Do you agree with Trevor or not? This text? A
dozen I cannot believe you are discussing this says this
text there. It's our duty as a country to become
net zero as soon as possible. We've just had major
weather event last weekend coincidence the repeated cyclones we now
get now that carbon is in the atmosphere is now
carbon in the atmosphere is through the roof. What good

(17:51):
is a great economy if the infrastructure gets flooded out
and knocked down. We needed energy, but we can do
that with solar wind and hydro. Evs powered by solar
wind and hydro can be powered on those. This is texture. Also,
I call lies on fossil fuel being cheaper than sustainable energy.
A solar panel is nothing on shipping and oil. So

(18:15):
do you go that?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Okay, yeah, that is a spicy text. What do you
say to that text? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is a number to call. Nineteen ninety two is the
text number? Headlines with railing coming up. It's twenty nine
past one.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
You've talk said, be headlines.

Speaker 13 (18:28):
With your Ride, New Zealand's number one taxi app. Download
your ride today. Wellington's flown in a pair of Australian consultants,
costing thousands a day to rescue the capitals over budget
behind schedule sludge minimization project. At least fifteen US naval
vessels could be involved in obstructing shipping at the Strait

(18:50):
of hor Moos, with one Iranian shadow Fleet tanker reportedly
traversing the waterway that other ships have turned back. An
Auckland history professor says a now deleted post by Donald
Trump is outrageous for presenting the US president like an
adapted emmage of Jesus pinetting through the storm. Auckland Councils

(19:13):
registered a caveat on the title of the under restoration
Saint James Theater, with half of its state money used up.
New Zealand had a net migration loss of just over
thirty six thousand citizens in the year to February. One
person's died after a two vehicle crash on State Highway
one near Dunsandal this morning south of christ Et. A

(19:34):
second person is seriously injured. New Wellington Water Entity defends
generous high ke and salaries. Find out more at Ends
and Herald Premium. Mack Martin, Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Thank you very much. Railing SLV asked the question is
a time for New Zealand to put energy security first
ahead of other priorities. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eightyies number.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
The sixer says matter. I like you, but you're a
green muppet. You know, New Zealand creates only zero point
zero one percent of the world's carbon, whereas China count
creates thirty one percent. That's three thy one hundred times
our carbon. Our whole output is a fart in the
wind in Shanghai. Okay, I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Well, I don't know why you're a green muppet? Was
that Kermit the Frog?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'll take that as a comment. I'm a big fan
of Kermitt the Frog. Simon, Welcome to the Jay.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
Hi you guys. Hey, I just struggled to understand at
the moment, and having worked down in Taranaki and worked
on Marsden Point, why we ever close those down before
we ever had the alternative. So basically what you last
call had said is correct. We haven't reduced our oil consumption.
We've just economically shifted it offshore and exposed ourselves to

(20:46):
these current conditions. We have a liquid natural well natural
gas that we liquify down in the Taranaki off New Zealand,
but we don't explore for it anymore because the labor
did it deal with the greens. Same with mars and Point.
The oil that we extract was being refined there. Mars
and Point basically kept fonger A. A lot of Fongerra

(21:08):
running was jobs. I was actually doing projects up there
when it got closed down and just saw the fallout
from it. Again, the expertise in Taranaki that have gone overseas.
I'm all for reducing our carbon footprint and releasing lesson
to the air. But what they've actually ensured is this

(21:30):
thing swings back and forth. They got their wind back
was when they did a deal with labor and got
it all closed down. Now it's going to swing back
the other way, and they've actually slowing themselves down rather
than thinking about the environment issues and an economic and
viable solution for it, and that their solution might have

(21:52):
to be spanned out over twelve fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
What do you say to the people that push back
on the gas and saying that the mature fields were
declining anyway, and that we haven't found any more gas
for a while, and that that that's bigger problem than
the guest band was.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Yeah, but you still had to have exploration out there.
We have a lot of sea around us that no
one can actually say what's out there and what isn't.
But I can say one thing, the oil companies in
the infrastructure required to search for it. They'll be very
wary about coming back to New Zealand because they got
shut down so quickly.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Right, Yeah, so the all field, these fields were always
going to fall, but you know these companies are less
likely to see a future and therefore they won't invest.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
Yeah, and giving warnings to areas like you just kill
off an industry in the Taranaki like that, and oh,
don't worry, redundancies always happen. Yeah, they do. And we
see the social fallout given that industry a warning of
in the next twelve years, you're going to be reducing
year on year, and it allows them to adapt into

(23:03):
new technologies rather than just kill the industry. What you've
done in that area is kill the industry and killed
any money for innovation.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Do you see the other side of it at all?
That we want to lower carbon and missions.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
One hundred percent? I actually work in an industry that
excuse me, that has actually increases energy efficiency within the
commercial sector, and we we are at the forefront of it.
We're using CO two as a green gas at the moment,
believe it or not, because it's as opposed to the

(23:42):
usual HFC that you use in refrigeration. It is so
much better for the environment. And the one thing we
can do that we haven't explored is if we're burning
coal in a power station. We have centralized our coal
burning and we have a chance to capture that CO
two at that one focus spot, right, and no one

(24:04):
ever talks about that. Is when you've got one hundred
housand or more cars over New Zealand, very hard for
every car to have a CO two capture assembly in
the back of it, capturing at CO two. When you
have a large power station that's emitting CO two, you
can centralize it right there and capture the CO two.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
You just you just you just direct the chimney somewhere.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
You would you'd run it through filters, you'd condense the
you'd concentrate the CO two, and then you'd use refrigeration
to actually turn it into a.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Liquid, right, and then what comparison and refrigerator what ha
is that liquid but then becomes a fuel?

Speaker 6 (24:48):
Well, it can become well we use them in a
refrigeration as a refrigerant, right. Interesting And and then well
we're importing this stuff at the moment, or we're making
it making CO two, when we could capture these more
applications that you could use it for that I don't
know about. There's very clever people as well.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
They're probably yeah, yeah, it's fascinating and I didn't know
you could do that. But just rowing back to this
transition that the previous government brought in, and clearly you're
at the forefront of that. But when the industry was
crying out to say, we're kind of on board with
where you want to go, but the transition is too
fast and too quick, and we need time to be
able to transition properly, so it's not going to screw

(25:27):
the economy. What was the response back then. Surely there
must have been some people in the government that's looked
at that and heard that and said, fair cop, We're
not going to rush as much as we wanted to.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
Yeah, we've got to head that way. We have to
reduce our CO two of missions. But sometimes the Greens
have to get real is it can't be done. You
can't just cut off areas and the Greens have to
actually realize and put me a line in the sand
of what they stand for. You've got to remember back
in the days in the seventies when we're doing all

(25:59):
these hydro dams, they were against it. Now they're lauding
it as a green energy. Haven't we done so well?
They need to find their place and actually put a
long term economic plan together that holds water.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, because if we go back to the original statement
that Constantine Kissen was saying, deliver the cheapest, most abundant
and reliable energy source you can. That would involve adding
you know, green technology into the mix, as that makes
that the source more abundant and reliable. But you add
it in and it proves itself as it goes. So

(26:35):
if you shut things that are working down now for
what you want to happen in the future, that's caused
the problems, right, But if you just keep adding them
in and if they prove their worth, then they will
take over. Because you know, the cheapest is going to
win in the end, right, the cheapest and most efficient
is going to win in the end. Because the thing
about gas, thing about petrol and diesel is it is

(26:56):
so cheap for how much bang you get from it
for how powerful it is, even right now when it's
blowing out. So there is a level that that green
technology has to hit that's quite hard. But you know
added into the mix.

Speaker 6 (27:09):
Yeah, well, we've got like the closest that we've got
at the moment. It's still been explored as hydrogen. It's
basically stored as a liquid would sit in your car
and is there to be used, much like fuel sits
in your fuel tank, and it's the closest we've got.
We're not quite there at the moment. I'm a firm

(27:30):
believer that they should make a Formula one run on
hydrogen in two years time, because they will push that
technology forward and before within ten years we'll all think
that's crazy, but our cars will be running on it
because a lot of what's in our cars right now,
abs and other devices all came from Formula one.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Interesting idea. Yeah, I mean they are at the forefront
of technology, no doubt about.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
It, And personally I prefer they went back to them
bold hydrogen. But hey, thank you so much for cool.
Appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, great cool.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
This text of is Hi, guys, with this discussion, could
you please ask everyone that you talk to what percentage
they think carbon is of the atmosphere CO two is
of the atmosphere? What percent did you think time?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Or if I had to take a step, let's say
three percent, three percent in the ballpark, you are not
in the ballpark nine two nine to if you think,
you know.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
We'll share the total percentage of the atmosphere that carbon
do oxideers.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
His next go eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tylor Adams
afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
They'd be afternoon sixteen to two.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
So I asked you before the break because I was
asked by a text to ask everyone what percentage of
the atmosphere, the air that we breathe as co two? Tyler,
you said, what do you say?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Three three percent? I kept it low.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Well, nitrogen seventy eight percent. Nice love of the nitrogen,
oxygen twenty percent that stuff, about twenty one percent are
gone one percent.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Carbon dioxide is zero point zero four percent of the atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Zero zero four percent, so sweet buggeroll. Effectively, it's not
a lot.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
No, it's not as much as you thought it was.

Speaker 12 (29:25):
Munch.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
People are texting in thirty percent.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
And is overshooting it zero point four percent.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
So if New Zealand's I know this set, she becomes
kind of complicated math. So I won't do it. But
if New Zealand's zero point zero one percent of the
carbon output in the world, no, that doesn't make sense.
I was going to say that it'd be in the
hundreds of millions of millionths of that. That doesn't quite
work like that. Don't worry, I'm gonna geto that math.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, don't. We don't put up that much carbon on
average compared to the rest of the world. I think
is a fair thing to say.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Well, we put up so we are zero point zero
one in China is thirty one percent three thy one
hundred times the amount. Yep, I think we're barely on
the graph. Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Do you think we need
to put energy security above all ouse? Kiopeter?

Speaker 14 (30:12):
Yeah, how are you doing there?

Speaker 8 (30:13):
Good?

Speaker 14 (30:13):
Hey, everybody's talking about, you know, green energy, So you
really want to figure out what it's going to take
for us to be one hundred percent green energy? You
got to look at a country that's already done it,
and that's Norway.

Speaker 15 (30:25):
Again.

Speaker 14 (30:25):
Now, Norway is a really really good example because they're
the same size population as we are, roughly similar sized
land mass. So from that point of view there, that's
really really good. They've got probably the largest percentage of
their domestic vehicle fleet in electric in the world as
a percentage of their population. At the moment. Now, we

(30:46):
in New Zealand have a round about one hundred, just
over one hundred hydro das Norway is about one eight hundred.
We produce a round about fifty I think it's fifty
two one hours of electricity. Norway produce is three times that.

(31:12):
So we are a long way off being you know,
totally self reliant on green energy if we are looking
to embrace the electric future, because like I say, we've
just had mess of underinvestment everywhere. As soon as you
try to put up a damn anywhere, somebody jumps up
and down about snails or something. I don't know what.
It's just we're just blind to what we need to do.

(31:35):
And if we try to do anything and somebody's going
to jump up and complain about it.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
The thing with no though is Norway has pulled a
whole lot of oil out of the ground. They've got
a two trillion dollard under it.

Speaker 14 (31:47):
They funded it using oil, so.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
We don't have that ability to fund it using oil.
So they made a lot of money from oil and
still do and they used it to you know, spend
on some green stuff while still selling the oil and
still living off.

Speaker 14 (32:01):
The So you know they call themselves green, but you know,
we all know what's funder that.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
But that's a nonsense of a Paris agreement, right, is
when you dial down to it, places like Norway can
achieve their targets. And how do they do that by
shipping off millions and millions of leaders of their ouations. Yeah, exactly,
that's what I've done.

Speaker 14 (32:19):
They want to be a mission.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
But I mean, but that's but to your point, if
we could, would you do you think there's any river
that would be allowed to dam ever again in New Zealand?

Speaker 14 (32:33):
Well, if you're talking about those big, large scale dams a.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Clyde, there's there's probably not another Clyde.

Speaker 14 (32:39):
No, it's probably a little tide. But if they go
for the smaller micro hygro type situations, multiple ones of
those dead along the same revenue of hard to go
unfeed the floating hell of a lot, and yeah, you'll
possibly be looking at really supplementing the renewals in this country.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
But having said that, as we said before, you know,
electricity in the country is only thirty percent of our
energy usage, seventy percent fossil fuels. So it's a long
long way to go before we can get anywhere close to,
you know, supplying the energy we need for EVS to replace.
Ninety nine percent of our transport is fueled by fossil

(33:19):
fuels liquid fossil.

Speaker 14 (33:20):
Fuels exactly, and if we're going to transition away from that,
we have to start looking not so much at banning
fossil fuels, but building the alternatives.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (33:29):
Yeah, that's where the last government went wrong. I just
banned everything and didn't invest in what's going to be
the replacement.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Well, so you take it offline as it's replaced. So
so going back to our first thing, which which was,
you know, deliver the cheapest, most abundant, reliable energy source.
So if you if you have some technology that comes
along that delivers that, then you can take something offline.
If you don't like fossil fuels, but you can.

Speaker 14 (33:54):
He's opening these guys in the Willings that are building
a fusion reacted.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
But Pete, I don't know if you know much about
the Lake Onslow projects. So that was canned because it
was going to be too costly sixteen billion dollars. So
it was a pump hydro project that was a fewtively
going to actors as batteries during those dry winter months
or dry years. And granted, since sixteen billion dollars is
a lot of money, absolutely, and we did the government
did not have that money to invest in that project.

(34:21):
But if we are going to do big things like Norway,
is that where we need to go? You know, we
need to figure out where to find that sixteen billion dollars.
And if it is digging up more coal or digging
up more gold, whatever it may be, to try and
emulate Norway, is that necessarily a bad thing?

Speaker 9 (34:35):
Well?

Speaker 14 (34:36):
I mean, dere I say, you know, if you're going
to build a down or a repumping hydro system, don't
put it on the east side of the southing else
because that's dry as anything. But on the west SoC
where the rain is. For goodness, yeah, it just makes sense.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Good on you, Peter, Thanks, thanks for your Carl. Appreciate
that guy's way. Back in the in the early eighties,
once the Clyde Down was completed and New Zealand Actriacy
had proposals to develop two further hydro electric schemes on
the Kluther River upstream of Cromwell at Luggett and Queensberry.
But at the time environmentalists we're starting to gain a
voice and had them canned. That was interesting because environmentalism

(35:11):
used to be quite different. It used to be protecting
the look of things.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yes, aesthetics.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
That was before they became focused on the carbon. Because
it's kind of cross purposes, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
It is they joined forces because the best.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Thing you can possibly do is hydro electricity, right yep.
That that that achieves the so called green goals, absolutely,
but it does involve drastically changing the landscape. Here's the text,
Matt and Tyler. Your grandchildren will your grandchildren will listen
to this podcast of the show and know you would
climate deniers. You will be looked back on the as

(35:47):
we look back on the Nazis.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Not that your children grandchildren will exist if you get
your way. Now, my grandchildren going listen to this podcast? No, well, no,
I hope I don't. I hope I don't have grandchildren.
So uncol go to go to the archive to try
and find it. Dust it often to Papa look back
on Granddad's three hundred and fifty podcast on news talks.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
He'd be great, Thanks, thank you very much. Right, it
is eight minutes to two Beckon of MO.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's mad Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news Talk z.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
EDB News Talk z B. It is six minutes to two.
What a discussion with hair hair joy.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Oh my goodness, wow, Look I reckon. Ninety percent of
the callers and Texas agreed with Constantine Christen when he
said this at.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
The number one priority of government policy going forward should
be to deliver the cheapest possible, reliable, abundant energy that
we can so that a our industry can thrive, and
b so that you are not paying ridiculous electricity and
gas prices. Now zero is industrial suicide and we've been
committing it for far too long and it has to end.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yes, so many texts and support of what he was saying.
A few people calling us fascists for even discussing this issue.
Someone called me a green muppet.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah they did, which is Its a nice compliment, isn't it?
Who doesn't like?

Speaker 4 (37:16):
I think? I think there's lots a bit of a
change in thinking. A stress and price, you know, a
stress and price comes on our energy system. And people
lose their jobs and businesses close. Some of the nice
to have seemed to be less exciting, do they? Yeah,
don't they?

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, exactly, it's a little bit less exciting. Yeah, But
great discussion and thank you to the numerous people that called,
and we had so many texts on that. So very
enjoyable and we will see where the government goes in
that direction. But coming up after two o'clock an equally
fascinating discussion, would you like to live forever? David Friedburg
He is an entrepreneur investor in podcast he was on

(37:50):
the Modern Wisdom podcast with Chris Williamson and they had
a fascinating discussion about the rising technology when it comes
to living forever, or certainly living to the age of
two hundred and fifty and whether that would be something
you would be interested in doing. I think that is
a valid question. And living to tow hundred fifty years
old is that something that that fizzes you up?

Speaker 4 (38:11):
The technology is closer than ever, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
It is?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
So if you if you're thinking about having making some
unhealthy choices, you might want to just see how long
you can hang around until they can flip your genes
such as you can live to do fifty.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, you might want to hold off for bits.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
If you want to. You might think it might be
boring to live that long.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yep, keen on your thoughts on this one. I wait,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call.
Share your view. Ninety two ninety two is the text.
But new Sport and Weather is on its way. You
listening to Matt and Tyler. Great to have your company.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
I love it again. The big stories, the big issues,
the big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Talk said, be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back
into the program. Seven past too. Great to have your company.
As always, this is going to be a doozy of
a conversation over the next hour or so. We'll start
with a question, would you want to live forever or
at least vastly longer than thought possible? So, David Friedberg,
he is.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
An entrepoeur, I just answer that question straight away.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, please, Yes, you'd be a straight yes.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
To live forever.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, I'd love to live forever forever. I'm a hard No,
vastly longer, maybe maybe.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Fifty years on this planet would be good.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Thanks, yeah, two hundred and fifty I I might be
able to cope with It's a long time. I'm tired.

Speaker 9 (39:42):
Now.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Imagine how little you'd have to hess to yourself when
you're watching you slop on Netflix. Two and fifty years.
I don't you can waste another fifty years on that?
But sorry, what you what were you saying, Tyler? You continue,
my friend?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Well, this was after David Friedburg. He is an entrepreneur, investor,
and podcaster. He was on the Modern Vision podcast with
Chris Williamson where they had this fascinating discussion about humanity
almost having the technology to vastly extemed law if here
is a little bit of the discussion.

Speaker 16 (40:11):
And aging is a disease. So it is a disease
rooted in the fact that the epigenetic factors, these little
molecules move around in the wrong place. That's what we
discovered is basically aging. In two thousand and six, a
guy named Shinya Yamanaka found that he could take four
proteins and put them on a cell. They would go
into the cell and they would move all of those

(40:33):
epigenetic markers, those ones and zeros to make that cell
into a stem cell, which can then be turned into
any other cell in the body. So that was the
magic thing he won the Nobel Prize for. In twenty sixteen,
another scientist published a series of papers showing that instead
of putting a lot of those four proteins on the cell,
you could put a small amount. And if you put
a small amount, instead of resetting all those molecular markers

(40:56):
and making that cell back into a stem cell, what
it actually does. It just moves those markers back to
where they're supposed to be to make it a young cell.
And suddenly that retinal cell becomes like a young retinal cell,
the skin cell becomes young skin cell, the heart cell
becomes a young heart cell. All of these cells get reset.
And they did this in mice and they made the
mice age to like two hundred and fifty plus years old.

(41:18):
They put it in monkeys, the wrinkles went away. And
they've done it in specifically applying it to retinal cells
in the eye and reversed blindness.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
That is incredible. So not only vastly living longer, but
reversing aging.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yes, so you wouldn't be living longer as an old person,
you'd be living longer as a young person. Yes, so
you'd be viral viral viril for you could be virile
viral virile. So, just to explain it again, So according
to this theory, and it's under clinical trials, and you know,

(41:55):
mice are very different from humans, but they've extended equivalent
of mice living for two hundred and fifty years with us.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
YEP.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Aging may not be permanent damage, but a breakdown on
how genes are switched on and off inside seals is
what he's what he's saying. So scientists have found that
they can reset these switches, effectively making old cells behave
like young ones, which has already been shown in animals
and lab grown human human cells. So the technology is
still early, but clinical trials are underway and starting with

(42:28):
treating specific diseases with the long term aim of reversing
aging across the entire body. If it works, it would
dramatically extend healthy lifespans rather than just how long people live.
So if you're constantly having your cells replaced with the
right cells, your DNA sell your DNA replaced with new

(42:49):
versions of it, then you would just be you for
a long time, you know, you'd be your your beautiful
how wherever you when whenever you peaked?

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Could I go younger? Could I go back to my twenties?

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah? Well, yeah, that's an introgretion. I'm not sure exactly.
If it removes all aging, then we're not looking at
a binge button situation, are we?

Speaker 3 (43:11):
No? I mean question? And when he peaked, he was
pretty good as a baby.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
You're not going to go back to baby hopefully. Yeah,
that's a really good question. So hopefully you go back
to full adulthood. Yes, you know when you're when you
were best? So would you want to do that? Is
that something that that excites you? Is is that something
that will make the world a better place if people
can live two hundred and fifty years instead of what

(43:35):
are we average now? Seventy nine? Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine two
niney two is the text? I mean two point fifty one?
I said maybe before is I'd want an end game
to how long I was on this planet? And the
reason for that it's a little bit philosophical, but if
there's not a reason to live, as in someday I
will not be here anymore. That gives me motivation to

(43:59):
do things.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
In fact that you're just bedrot because it's like why bother?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah, why bother?

Speaker 4 (44:05):
I go tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, nothing's going to happen to me. I'm going to
be here for as long as I want, so you
wouldn't go.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
And this year I'm going to run a marathon. You go,
Maybe I'll do it in twenty twenty years. This person
asked a really good question. If you could live to
two hundred and fifty years old, at what age would
you retire? One hundred and sixty? I mean, that's a
very good point. We've got problems with super now.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, can we afford one hundred and eighty five years
on the pension? I don't think we can. We can't
afford fifteen years on it. What do you say, though?
I went one hundred eighty ten eighty, So the idea
of living to two hundred and fifty and beyond is
that something that you fizz about or does that make
you worry? Really keen to get your thoughts on this.
It is twelve past two.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
I've got a great text from me end that I'll
read out next. That's very good.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Back in a minute, your home of afternoon Talk, Mad
Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty us talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
It is a quarter past too, So we're talking about
the technology almost existing to drastically elongate the human life
span up to two hundred and fift and beyond. If
that technology comes to the fore and they are very
very close to it, would that be something you'd be
willing to do to live to two hundred and fifty
years old?

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Patrick says, Let's dance and style. Let's dart for a while,
dance for a while. Heaven can wait. We're only watching
the sky is hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.
Are you going to drop the bomb or not? Let
us die young or let us live forever? We don't
have the power, but we never say never. Sitting in
a sandpit. That's, of course, the lyrics to the Fantastic
Forever Young song originally written by Bob Dylan.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Right nice, yeah, very poetic. Keep those teas coming through
A nineteen nine two but taking your calls on oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty and says.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Does that mean I can make my All Blacks debut
at one hundred and twenty. I mean that's a really
interesting point, isn't it. So if this technology came in,
so it would take people that are alive now and
make them young again. Yes, and you'd always wanted to
have a go at professional sport. And maybe you're a
bit older, so you're a bit more disciplined than what
you want. You know what you want. So you suddenly

(46:10):
you're about sixty eight, say, yep, I don't know how
old ian is. Let's just on't making up that number.
And then you have this done to your cells. They
all get replaced with young cells, and you go, I'm
gonna have to go getting into the all blacks.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I suppose you could.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
I'm going to be I'm going to be more dedicated
than those other nineteen year olds running around.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
I know far more now than I did when I
was twenty and I first gave it to crack and
then I make it.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
I've got a level head. I know, I know code
like no one else because I've watched so much rugby.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Then we'd have a bunch of geriatric people in their hundreds.
Well they wouldn't be geriatric, that'd be youthful one hundred
and twenty year olds playing for.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
The All Blacks. I'd watch it. I'd watch it. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Give there's some good teas coming through.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Hi Gary here. I'm sixty six and would love not
to physically get older and live for at least another
hundred years. That pill you get to do that would
need to be means tested. I can afford that. And
it's a good It's a good question, isn't it. Whether
whether it would just be the how much will cost?

Speaker 9 (47:16):
Right?

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Because it could end up just being just the just
the elderly, I mean just the wealthy.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
I think that's where it will start. Yeah, Nick, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 12 (47:26):
Very good?

Speaker 6 (47:27):
That is us.

Speaker 12 (47:29):
Listen, we've got like nine billion people? How many? How
many on the planets at nine billion, we're at.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
About eight billion? Have gone past eight billion? I believe you.

Speaker 12 (47:39):
Yeah, And how long did it take the planet they got?
I think we've went up a few billion in the
last hundred years, didn't we.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Yeah, it's really really skyrocket. I mean, looks just look
at New Zealand. In the eighties, New Zealand was only
three million, and now we're five million, and we're growing slowly.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
And this is.

Speaker 12 (47:54):
Because we're you know, we've got all the antibiotics and
we know more about disease, and babies now pretty much
guaranteed to live to adult, adult life and so forth.
I think once upon a time two entire babies, don't
we We didn't know because we didn't have the medical.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Yeah, there's over over half of humans that have ever
existed didn't make it to adult. It's an interesting stands, right.

Speaker 12 (48:18):
So if we lived till two hundred and fifties, the
hell we're going to put everybody?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, that is a fair point.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
It's a great question. So just just further.

Speaker 12 (48:26):
To your part, never mind tainting them.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Yeah, Like, so here's the population growth in the in
nineteen twenty seven two billion people, and then nineteen sixty
that was up to three billion, nineteen seventy four to
four billion, nine ninety seven, five billion, nineteen ninety nine,
six billion, twenty twelve, seven billion, twenty twenty four, eight billion,
and by twenty forty eight we're looking at nine billion.
So if we start killing.

Speaker 12 (48:51):
Our lives, bab then what's that going to be like
in another one hundred US?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
And that is a big ethical concern with this new technology.

Speaker 8 (48:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Now, also, Nack, what about you personally though? So if
only you, it was only you that got it, so
it wasn't going to affect the population, it was just you.
Would you would you jump on board me personally?

Speaker 9 (49:09):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (49:10):
I don't know. I think your whole lifestyle would have
to change because right now you sort of start off
and kimd you go to intermediate, you go to uh
you know the steps you go through, and then you
sort of get to your retirement age and then you
start thinking about your rest hunt. So how does that
effect life? Do we work to sort of like two

(49:33):
hundred or something? And would that become normal? I mean
the people he got on the planet. Does everybody get
this option? Or is there only those that can afford it?
And so for there's all sorts of questions there.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
But if it was just you, neck, I mean, it
would be like when they wheel out those those tootles
that are two hundred years old, and see this tutor
was around when King Edward was still here? Would you
like that sort of life?

Speaker 6 (49:58):
Nick?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Theyre just wheelly at and say what was it like? Big? Then?

Speaker 12 (50:02):
Uh? I don't know, I mean, I know that you know,
at the age I'm at now, I think I don't
want to live that much longer. I want to go
in downhill. But you know, I like, do you remember
Woody Allen? Do you remember his philosophy on life? He writens,
we were born the wrong way around?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
You hear about that situation? I haven't know well.

Speaker 12 (50:24):
He reckens that you know you should be born as
you should be born at death. You know, just a paraphrase,
if you should be born at the time you die.
So you start off life in a rest home, and
then you come out of your rest home and you
sort of go into your working environment, and you finish
your life when you get down to your school. So
you're playing around in school kindergarten, have a lovely time,

(50:46):
and you finish your life in one big orgasm.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Sounds like Woody Allen.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
I think the thing that you're kind of saying, though,
is to quote the same quote two days in a
row from Marcus Aurelius. Aurelius, it's not death that man
should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live.
And he's a good chance if you had two hundred
fifty years on this prom you just never get around
to living, you just waste your your whole life because
it would be no urgency.

Speaker 12 (51:15):
I think everything would be stretched, wouldn't it.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah, Will you'd be like, I'm going to indulge this
passion for a while, you know, I'm going to see
if I can make it in a band, and you
spend one hundred years try to make it, yeah, instead
of a couple of years and then getting a job.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
That's right. Yeah, Yeah, interesting points, Nick, Good on you,
Thank you very much mate. Yeah. I mean my thinking is,
I just think the system works quite well. Now that
you're born, you're expected to live on average about eighty years,
and you hopefully have some good experiences along the way,
and then you pass and whatever happens next happens next

(51:51):
to elong gate that out by another one hundred and
fifty years. I'd like to think I'd have all this
new wisdom and I'd learn all these news things, But
I don't know if I would. I think I just
kind of do what I do now is say I'm
going to pick up the guitar and never do Let
nature happen, says this text.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
And nobody knows what death feels like, So how do
we know that it's a bad thing. A dead person
is only dead from that perspective. Love Robert, Yeah, I
mean you keep extending your life forever in some kind
of horror show situation. Well, you know, you get more
and more and more bored of everything.

Speaker 8 (52:22):
You know.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
It's all of my friends that, like some of my
friends that have sort of been remained in a state
of arrested development. I'd say, yep, they're still acting like
teenagers or early twenties people. Yes, and they just seem
more increasingly bored and cynical about everything in the world.
So you know, you might live for turn or fifty

(52:43):
years and you just you've seen everything and you're bored
of everything. So there's the seventh time I've gone to
much io Peach. You you know, I'm over this. Let's
wrap it up, and then you die and into paradise
and go, oh, well I should have Yeah, what did
I wait for this? I should have just done this
classic eighties It's way better here, oh, one.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Hundred eighty ten eighty. So what do you think about
the idea of living to two hundred and fifty years old?
Would it be for you? Shear your thoughts? It is
twenty three past two.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk SIV.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Very good afternoons you. So we're talking about the idea
of living to two hundred and fifty years old nine
two nine tents of text and taking your calls on
Old one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
High gentle Persons is a text. If we live that long,
society as we know it would break down completely. The
people with resources will rule, think of jobs, food, shelter.
Earth can't handle that many people. Maybe we have to
go to the stars. Celias is that's Sue, Welcome to
the show. What do you reckon about? We're living to
two hundred.

Speaker 17 (53:44):
Well, and the way the world's going now, I'll be
lucky if we get another twenty years. But my philosopher,
it's not probably my philosophy, but the way I love
as you treat every day as your last because one
day you're right.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Yeah, So beautiful philosophy. And do you think people would
I mean absolutely. That goes sort of back to that
thing we're saying before. You don't fear death, fear not living.
Do you think that if you're if you're going for
two hundred and fifty years, you would to take every
day for granted, wouldn't you if you had no end date.

Speaker 17 (54:12):
If you don't have a bad day, then you don't
appreciate a good day.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
It's hard for me to comprehend this one. So that
if I get to say ninety, and someone offers me
the chance to extend my life by another hundred years
and I have the body of a thirty or forty
year old, at that point, I can sit here and
say it scares me that idea, and I quite like
the human life cycle wheres it is. But if you

(54:37):
were presented with that on your death beard, I think
most of us would probably say, yeah, why not, why
not let's keep this going for a little longer.

Speaker 17 (54:46):
Yeah, it depends what you've done with your life. If
you're sick there and moaned about everything, and yeah, probably
the ones that will say, yeah, it's hard and you're
looking forward to a good rest.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Point, Yeah, I appreciate your cool. Yeah, that's a good point. Actually,
right at the end, you might change your mind because
even goes well, I just want to have a bit
of time here and then I'll move on. But then
if you've actually given the option sad, I've had enough,
this person?

Speaker 9 (55:13):
Would they?

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Uh nah, I can't wait to die, says this Texter,
to see what's on the other side. Don't get me wrong,
I want to be around for a long time for
my kids. But I watched my dad breathe his last breath,
and he was seeing something we couldn't. He was seeing angels,
the light. We know who knows, But I can't wait.
You know, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Nobody really knows. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Let's got a Richard Richard?

Speaker 12 (55:40):
Hey mate, Yeah, yeah, good, good, Hey Richard. Interesting debate
it is, and what do you reckon?

Speaker 15 (55:47):
A couple of thoughts.

Speaker 18 (55:48):
I was thinking, well, I mean, you know, our mortality
kind of makes the prospect of life so much, Richard,
doesn't it, which is one thoughts. But then there's a
lot of question around resources and things. But perhaps once
we had sort of ninety, we have an option to

(56:09):
to live virtually virtually, you know, to go into a
a big step on. Boy is it keeps you alive
and you can sort of live virtually and maybe, you know,
maybe that's maybe that's just an option.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Get down, get uploaded into your mind.

Speaker 18 (56:24):
Well you saw your mind, you know, like I mean,
a lot of us lived virtually anyhow, so you still
connecting or your loved ones and things and and uh,
you know, maybe one day you think I've had enough
of this, sooner then and let your mind go as well.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Well.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
I once interviewed the people, the physicist Brian Cox, and
he was saying, it's quite likely we live in a
simulation anyway, so this might have already happened.

Speaker 14 (56:48):
Richard, Yeah, the reboot.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Yeah, so how would you know? How would you know?
All you've got is I think therefore I am apart
from there, We really really really don't know. But I
think you're right about the scarcity because we love scarcity
and and and so they these experiences loves. Everything you

(57:11):
do is valuable because it's scarce. It's like the Japanese
maple blossom. It's only their very very short amount of time.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
It's a beautiful analogy.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
So if you suddenly have unlimited it's like pouring more
water into more water into the rarow. You know, you've
got one leader, two leaders, got three leaders, four leaders,
five leaders into.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
The ra row. Not as sweet. The RaRo is not
as good, yeah.

Speaker 9 (57:32):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (57:32):
So maybe that would be the same thing with life.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Thank you for you call Richard, appreciate it, Thank you
very much. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Nine two nine two. So scientists
are getting very close to having the technology to extend
human life to two hundred and fifty years and beyond.
Does that sort of technology fizz you up? Or does
it make you a little bit worried? Keen to hear
your views on that?

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Yeah, Nosferato seemed miserable, says this texture it's quite happy
briefly at the end when he was Yeah, anyway, if
you've seen that movie a recent version, great but terrifying.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Great te extra keep them coming in. Nine two ninety
two is the number. It's hap Pass two.

Speaker 13 (58:07):
Used to be headlines with Your Ride, New Zealand's number
one taxi app. Download your Ride today. China says it's
willing to deepen cooperation with New Zealand across multiple sectors
after speaker Jerry Brownley's attended talks in Beijing. A fifty
year old man has been charged with pointing a laser

(58:29):
at the police helicopter from Auckland's Glenaden overnight, captured in
the act by on board tech. Quantus is scaling back
flights within Australia because of rocketing fuel costs, but it's
flying more to Paris and Rome as Middle Eastern airlines
leave a gap in the market. A second person's died
after a collision between a car and a truck near

(58:50):
Hamilton's Pukeetti yesterday. Two others are still in a serious condition.
Fewer New Zealanders are moving overseas, but they are concerns
the Iran war could hinder fur. The progress stats n
Z figure show a net migration loss of just over
thirty six thousand New Zealanders in the year February. A
film and TV production village in Queenstown has fast track approval.

(59:15):
The screen harp will span more than seven thousand square
meters at Airburned Farm, New Wellington. Water entity defends generous
high ken salaries. Find out more at NSID Herald Premium.
Back to matt Ethan Tyner.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Adams, thank you very much, Ray Lean. So the question
we've put to you is would you want to live
forever or vastly longer than thought possible? This after David Friedberg.
He's an entrepreneur, investor, and podcaster. He was on the
Modern Wisdom podcast with Chris Williamson and they were discussing
humanity almost having the technology to vastly extend life. Here
is a little bit of that discussion, and aging is

(59:50):
a disease.

Speaker 16 (59:51):
So it is a disease rooted in the fact that
the epigenetic factors, these little molecules move around in the
wrong place. That's what we discovered is basically aging. In
two thousand and six, ago named Shinya Yamanaka found that
he could take four protens and put them on a cell,
go into the cell, and they would move all of
those epigenetic markers, those ones and zeros to make that

(01:00:14):
cell into a stem cell, which can then be turned
into any other cell in the body. So that was
the magic thing he won the Nobel Prize for. In
twenty sixteen, another scientist published a series of papers showing
that instead of putting a lot of those four proteins
on the cell, you could put a small amount, and
if you put a small amount, instead of resetting all
those molecular markers and making that cell back into a

(01:00:35):
stem cell, what it actually does. It just moves those
markers back to where they're supposed to be to make
it a young cell. And suddenly that retinal cell becomes
like a young retinal cell, the skin cell becomes a
young skin cell, the heart cell becomes a young heart cell.
All of these cells get reset. And they did this
in mice and they made the mice age to like
two hundred and fifty plus years old. They put it

(01:00:56):
in monkeys, the wrinkles went away. And they've done it
in specifically applying it to retinal cells in the eye
and reverse blindness.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Fasciniting stuff. So the technology is very close to living
to wards of two hundred and fifty years plus. Would
that be for you, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
So this Texas says, guys, what about your is sight,
deafness and your wrinkles. You may live to two hundred
and fifty, but you may be a wizend old prune. No,
that's all your cells would be would be fixed replaced
by young cells in this technique. That's that's the whole
point of it. So your DNA, you know, as in
every cell, it starts to degrade over time. It just

(01:01:33):
would fix it, so you'd have every every cellar be young.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yea reverse the age.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
But I don't quite that. But I don't quite understanding
people asking at what age would you be? So would
you be at the point when your DNA is completely realized?
It's this is what I imagine, but I haven't been
able to find the answer to this. But would you
You'd be kind of what you are now, but your
cells would be replace themselves, so they would be good.

(01:01:59):
So you would be fully adult, So you'd go back
to the point where you have fully realized you stop growing. Yep,
when you fully realize the potential of your genes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Yeah, that would make sense. So you'd have the perfect lungs,
the perfect liver of the perfect heart. You'd still have
your same brain and the same essentially the same body,
but all of your organs and everything about you would
be effectively at the peak.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Right, But you would look like you would look if
you would live the perfect life up to that point,
So you hadn't drunk through your teens and smoke through
your teens, and hadn't had a lot of sun whatever
it is that's damaged you. Yes, you'd be the best
possible version of yourself as represented by the DNA.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
It's enticing to a lot of people, But what do
you say, I one hundred and eighteen eighty is that number?

Speaker 19 (01:02:41):
Josh, hey boys, yeah, yeah, good yah, And tell you
this subject. Man, I've been watching this stuff for probably
twenty years now, and yeah, it's definitely getting interesting. But
what would we do about education? Like, would we make
it compulsory? Because would you want yeah, would you want
people that are just like not open to learning being

(01:03:04):
trying to fifty years old saying no, we're going to
stick to that liberal economic idealism you see, and you're
just like, no, no, no, no, dad, you should have
keep learning because you're on repeat for infinity and that
that's kind of not fear on everybody else.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
But yeah, you go follow that right path of as
as someone was saying before, would you go primary school,
intermediate school, high school, tertiary job? You know, if you
had unlimited time, would you follow that path? You might
go on primary school? Droning twenty five?

Speaker 19 (01:03:39):
That that idea about what age would you pick? Like
imagine if you're twenty eight, right and you're just lining
up your PhDs, you know, into infinity, that would be
absolutely cool. You guys know that there's that. Do you
know how lizards you know, you could chop their tail
off and that grows back. Yeah, they're trying to isolate

(01:04:02):
those genomes in a lab and see if they can
be transferable to other animals, because that would be freaky.
Two if you could chop something off and let it
grow back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
See, because because that's the thing that you may get
your genes sort of that to live to turn fifty
years old. But if you get decapitated in an accident,
you're going down.

Speaker 8 (01:04:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:04:23):
Yeah, there's no coming coming back from all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
So if you could grow stuff back, then you're going
to keep going a bit longer.

Speaker 19 (01:04:31):
But would oh yeah yeah, living out Yeah yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:04:37):
Like that whole health beed thing and all that. Like technically, like.

Speaker 19 (01:04:41):
What you guys are saying about the h the aging stuff,
if you could freeze people at twenty five twenty a
and then you don't get to get to that downward
hill sort of mid forties, mid fifties, you'd never experience it.
You just keep on that same track. But here's an

(01:05:05):
interesting thought, Maddie, is if you could eliminate stress, what
would that do? Because if you eliminate all stress. There's
no motivation, right, yeah, but if you have too much stress,
that's going to.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Kill you exactly. I say this to my son the
other day. He had to do he was doing a performance,
and he said, I'm feeling quite nervous, and I was saying, Oh,
that's just your body giving you the what it needs
to perform. It's give you a quartersole and stuff it
needs so you're alert. If nothing mattered because you go forever,
then I think I think we would get depressed. I

(01:05:40):
think I think you're right.

Speaker 19 (01:05:42):
That's a tough one because the stress activates disease, but
also motivates should it go and do something like learn?

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:05:50):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
If there wasn't that the feeling that your thanks Josh,
if there wasn't the feeling that your life is slowly
slipping ray and you're not getting enough done because you
had unlimited life, then the motivation to do something Josh
is so right would be so minimal because you'd be like,
I'll do that in twenty years.

Speaker 8 (01:06:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
It's the key to the human condition, right, that motivation
that you're going to die sometimes and you better get
on with it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
If you're coming up to your exams at school and
you go, ah, I better study, and you go ah, no,
I just do it next year, yeah, or a year after. Well,
maybe I'll take a twenty five years sabbatical and then
come back to high school.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
It sounds like a creepy life. What do you say though, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is being able to call.
Plenty of good texts coming through on ninety two ninety two.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
This text is, Matt, your green muppet. If you walk
like Chris, if you walk like Christ and grace and love,
you will live forever. Can you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Okay? Good advice?

Speaker 14 (01:06:40):
There?

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Can I walk like Christ and Grace and love? Can I?
I can try? Yep, I can try. It's a it's
a goal.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
It is a goal.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
It's a goal to attempt.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
If you live to two hundred and fifty? Can I
get there?

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Hard to do, but it is. It is something to
aim for.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Back very shortly nineteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Your home of afternoon talk, Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
They'd be it is sixteen to three, So we've almost
got the technology to varskedly increase human life span to
two hundred and fifty years and longer. When they get
to that point, would that be something you'd be willing
to do? Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties number
to call. Welcome to the showcase.

Speaker 20 (01:07:21):
Ah hi, Yes, A very interesting topic. It's really a
topic close to my heart because I'm kind of doing
something like that myself at the moment. But is the
question not really around perhaps living longer, slightly extending your life,
but living a quality of life in terms that you're

(01:07:43):
not your body is not in pain with arthritis or
broken knees and knee replacements and heart valves and all
this sort of stuff, because that's what happens. And what
this guy is saying I took out is that with
the replacement therapies that or what that's coming about is

(01:08:06):
that they are investigating the fact that they can rejuvenate
your stem cells within your own body. And this is
what the products that you're already and there is somebody
already that has has actually done that, and there's out
in the markets as a person in Queenstown doing stem

(01:08:26):
cell Yes, isn't there?

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Is that correct?

Speaker 12 (01:08:29):
It's a rejuvenate.

Speaker 20 (01:08:30):
Its rejuvenating your own stem cells within your own body, which.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Is kind of the same serially technology technologies.

Speaker 20 (01:08:40):
Yeah, and if you know, if you've got Parkinson's or
nes or cancer or maybe you know, or dementia, if
you could turn that clock back slightly and have a
better quality of life.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Yeah, it's not a good thing. So what you're really
saying is it doesn't matter that. So let's say ninety.
If it's ninety and you feel good for the whole
ninety rather than the thing.

Speaker 20 (01:09:03):
Yeah, Or even if you're seventy and you know you've
got another ten fifteen years and you've fracking and you're
tuning up to the golf course or the tennis court
and you're absolutely something out. I mean, how good would
that be?

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
So I wonder, I wonder if they could find out
what your natural lifespan was going to be and then
they just make it that you are going to be
in peak physical condition for that time, if you know
what I mean. In the you I mean, I'm thinking
sci fi stuff here, but they say, look for the
good of humanity, we don't really want people living past
one hundred and twenty because it's going to be hard
with pensions and stuff. So with this technology, you get

(01:09:38):
a sold one hundred and twenty years and then we're
going to have to logans run you at one hundred
and twenty. That's a sort of a sci fi way
of looking at it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
I'll be in for that. That sounds pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
And so do you know anyone that's been on the
some stem cell rejuvenation?

Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
I am, Oh you am?

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
You are? You am?

Speaker 8 (01:09:55):
You are?

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
I am yea and something.

Speaker 20 (01:09:59):
I've been a mess of pain. I've had made backsugeres,
a mess of pain and I have now dropped all
my pain medication and everything like that.

Speaker 12 (01:10:09):
And I'm I'm I'm.

Speaker 20 (01:10:12):
Just about ready to go out for a run.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
And so has it been in any specific parts of
the body?

Speaker 8 (01:10:17):
Cape?

Speaker 20 (01:10:18):
All over over my body? My head is a lot clearer,
I believe, I'm just feeling I'm feeling another fifteen years younger.
And that's in the month and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
And they're being injected, are they No?

Speaker 20 (01:10:31):
No, it's a little patch on my body right interesting
and so just so explain it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
So it's it's it's because this is what this is saying,
is that re excites your stem styles, stem cells but
stem cells can basically take on the DNA of any cell.
That's that's the job of the stem cells can.

Speaker 9 (01:10:49):
So you'll get you there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
You're getting stem cells put into you that then replicate
the DNA patterns like they should. No, no, sorry, it's work, cape.

Speaker 20 (01:10:58):
No, it's worked on your lights and your heat of
your own body and the photocopping. It's photocopping your own
steam cells and rejuvenating them and saying wake up alive
and get going. Your skin gets a lot better and
you know all that sort of stuff. So it's making
me feel a lot better. And my body is taking

(01:11:19):
no no pain in it now because it's not wired
to accept that pain. And it's also helping my brain
because dementia is very much a breakdown of your stem
cells within your brain. I know it because my mother
died of it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:32):
But yeah, can.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Anyone do it? Kate, Kate? Can anyone?

Speaker 6 (01:11:36):
Sorry?

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Can can anyone do it?

Speaker 20 (01:11:38):
Anyone can do it? Anyone can do it?

Speaker 15 (01:11:41):
Old or whatever?

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
Yeap?

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
How expensive is it?

Speaker 20 (01:11:44):
Oh, it's probably a place of a cup of coffee
your day. Wow, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Okay, we'll look yeah, alright, steam cell rejuvenation for a
cup of coffee.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Can someone send some me some stem cells, please, some
primo stem cells.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
You need it, mate. Yeah, keep those schools coming in
on one and it is eleven to three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Be fory surely the issues that affect you, and a
bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 7 (01:12:14):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons, News talks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Be, news talks be. It is eight minutes to three.
So if you could live to two hundred and fifty
years old, would you want to? Scientists are very close
to having that technology. One hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number?

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Anti a JIX will never come to the general population,
will only be available for rich elites who will end
up with eternal ruling class and unwatched short lived working class.
Sounds like a nightmare dysopia to me, James, that's from James. Yeah,
so just the elites, you, Tyler. So working class schmucks
like me would die and then you would just you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
I don't want it, mate, you can have my pearl. Greg.

Speaker 7 (01:12:51):
How are you good afternoon?

Speaker 9 (01:12:54):
I'm good?

Speaker 15 (01:12:54):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
You want to leave you?

Speaker 9 (01:12:57):
Oh? Mate, I'd lift the two fifty no problem even
longer because I've got so many projects to do that
I can't fit them into one lifetime. But the real
question here is do you want that long life given
to you by man? Or do you want to given
to you by your creator? Because what you're what you're
offering here, the technology isn't the only option. Well, I

(01:13:21):
mean you guys might not believe that that's up to you,
but some people will.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
But so so you you'd want to tinker away and
you shared and do a bunch of projects. But be
so so good in your behavior to other people that
you are you were worthy of an afterlife. So turn
and fifty years of being.

Speaker 9 (01:13:43):
Well what what what makes you think that being good
is makes you worthy of an afterlife? And then how
who do you Who's going to define good? Because different
people are going to measure that differently.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I suppose that so depends on what you believe. You know,
there's various different beliefs out there.

Speaker 9 (01:14:01):
One one interesting thing about your topic is what you're
talking about is exactly what was promised to Adam and
Eve in the Garden of Eden.

Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
Right, Well, think about it.

Speaker 9 (01:14:13):
They were promised that they wouldn't die, and they'd promise
that they'd be like God's now your text that you
just read out. I was actually going to say the
same thing. There won't be any poor people living to
two hundred and fifty years or whatever they decide. And
if you've got somebody like say Elon Musk who's living
to two hundred and fifty years old and the rest
of us poor people have to live to seventy or eighty,
he's going to be like a.

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
God to us.

Speaker 9 (01:14:34):
So they're promising you the same thing as what was
promised to Adam and Eve in the garden.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Well, on the level, maybe this is the apple, Maybe
this is the the.

Speaker 9 (01:14:46):
Other aspect of what you were saying earlier. You were
saying about you. You were saying, oh, you know this
technology and you'll look like this and you'll be like this.
Well that's all theory. I mean, come on, reality and
theory aren't always the same. So it hasn't been put
to the test. So we don't know what somebody would
look like if they wouldn't have wrinkles or whatever I
mean on paper. Yeah sure, but yeah, you know, one.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Thing is one thing that might push back because population
collapse is the biggest problem facing the planet at the
moment because people aren't reduced producing enough, so there might
be an incentive for these elites to spread this out,
so they've got people that work for longer, you see,
because because the problem is we're running out of workers
because people aren't reproducing fast enough.

Speaker 9 (01:15:30):
But they also tell us that we're running out of
resource resources and we need less population. You go back
to your last segment, you're talking about Yeah, you go
back to your last segment and you're talking about carbon.
I mean we're carbon based life forms. I mean, you know, yeah,
it's yeah. I would be happy to live for a
long period of time, but I'm not sure I want

(01:15:52):
that given to me by a man.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Okay, thank you, interesting points, Craig. We don't have long left.
So your thoughts I hate.

Speaker 15 (01:16:01):
To live that long. I think I'll turn them to
a very very frustrated, angry person. How many how many
into a doom government? Can you have one lifetime?

Speaker 21 (01:16:10):
Stuff?

Speaker 15 (01:16:11):
And you're about to get more than one, you know, years?

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
So you think you've become increasingly grumpy?

Speaker 15 (01:16:19):
I don't you know? You probably say it so you
know this didn't happen when I was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
As all of us, Craig, Yeah, a hundred years of
youngsters these days.

Speaker 15 (01:16:33):
Yeah, and I think the only people, the only people
that like would like other people that fear death.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
M hmm, yeah, you had to say the same kind
of said so many times in a couple of days.

Speaker 8 (01:16:46):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Don't fear death, fear not living?

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Great, thanks for your cal can I can I sum
this up with the words of Freddie Mercury actually written
by Brian May. Who wants to live forever? Who wants
to live forever? Who dares to love for ever?

Speaker 9 (01:17:00):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:17:01):
We're in love?

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Must die.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Because it's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Yeah, I'm glad you got the who in there love
that supported of love dies?

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Then what have you got?

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Nicely said mate? What a great discussion. Thank you everyone
who called in texts on that. Coming up after three o'clock.
How do you maintain friendships after forty will tell you
more soon, the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Talk said, be afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Great to have your company. It's going to be a
great discussion over the next forty minutes. So how to
keep friendships after forty This is on the back of
a new Zealand Herald article. It argues that many men
end up isolated by forty not because friendships aren't available,
but because of common habits and mindset. Mindset shifts that

(01:17:57):
come with age is careers, family responsibilities and routines take over.
Men often stop putting an effort into forming new connections,
rely too heavily on old old friendships, or avoid vulnerable
and initiating contact. Over time, the author argues, this leads
to smaller, less active social circles.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
Yeah, so that's a bit of a problem, isn't it.
It seems that the ladies are better at holding their
friendships together than the boys are.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Absolutely, I mean at this particular author, he puts himself
right at the forefront and hit the friendships that he
lost once he hit forty. So he said there were
five mistakes he made. Apparently, one was he wasn't on
social media anymore, so he removed himself completely from social media.
That means, he said, everybody forgets you exist. The mistake
number two was I didn't have the time or energy.

(01:18:46):
Once I hit midlife at forty, energy became precious. I
thought self care was what I was doing, when in reality,
what I was doing is isolating myself. I think that's
a common thing. Mistake number three, this is a biggie.
My partner organizes my social life. Ah, so he put
it completely in his partner's partner's diary to organize everything,

(01:19:06):
so the family attendance, the catching up with ends, the
initiating and just took a backseat. I reckon, that's real comment.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
This happens a lot. In fact, I read this fantastic
book called Billy No Mates by Max Dickens, this British guy,
and it was kind of like the plot to that
movie I Love You Man?

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
I Love You Man? When he went to get he
was getting married and he had to pick a beast
man and he realized he didn't have any friends.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
That's right, great movie.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
So this guy wrote a whole book about trying to
find friends. But his thing was he did have friends,
and there was people back in the past, but as
he moved through life, he just got so focused on
work and being caught in watching sport in the weekend
and just being quiet, and his partner being the only
person that booked, you know, social interactions, so he'd be

(01:19:52):
out with her friends and her friend's partners yes, and
so I realized he didn't really have any close friends,
just out of working too hard but also being a
bit socially lazy. And yeah, so he had the shocking
moment he goes, I don't have a best man.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
And I think they'd be very for a lot of people.
You know, just getting to that stage where you're relying
on someone else in your household, so you've got company
there so you're not completely isolated, which stops the motivation
for you to go out there and say I need
to reconnect with my old friends. You just go with
the flow and you have social interactions, but they're not
as deep as you probably want them to be because

(01:20:28):
they're not close friends. As you say.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
See, this is where my partner, for example, is sneaky
because she knows that I won't do anything unless it's
in the calendar, and so she'll put these calendar invites
and I don't know what's going on. Next thing, you know,
I'm at some dinner with her friends and I'm sitting
there going how did I get here? How did I
get here?

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Just waken up and say, well where am I?

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Yeah? But then I have a standing lunch with my
male friends, my buddies from my high school. Every Saturday
we have a lunch together. Yes, and you know we've
moved around different pubs over the years, but we always
have a lunch together. And I said to Tracy, do
you want to come to that? She goes, No, I
wouldn't want to hang out with you and your bloody mates. Yeah,
you're filthy chat It's probably wise, yeah, but I mean

(01:21:09):
that's the way to keep things going because you're not
making a decision. It's a standing it's a standing of thing. Yep,
it's a standing invitation, so you're not having to reinvent it.
You know, if put in people's calendars, you're not aim
to plan it. That's why it's good to have a
sports team or something, you know, you know, playing a league,
social league or something, so you have to be there
and then you have drinks afterwards or whatever.

Speaker 14 (01:21:28):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Yeah, very true. But taking your calls on this, keen
to hear your views. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
How hard is it to maintain friendships after forty and
what do you do to try and keep those friendships alive?
Nine two nine two is the text number. It is
thirteen past three beggary.

Speaker 7 (01:21:43):
Surely news talks it'd be it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Is thirteen past three. So how do you keep friendships
going after the age of forty? What effort do you
need to put in to keep those friendships reasonably close?
And how hard is it if you've got to be
the initiator each time? I wait, one hundred eighty ten
eighty is number to call? Nine two ninety two is
the text number?

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
Yeah, so not having friends? The sex says, why do
we need friends? Why are we always told to get friends?
What if we don't want friends? Interesting text sounds a
little bit like I didn't want friends anyway, But why
do we need them? I mean, they have all these
studies about you know what loneliness does to us, and
you know, not only it's terrible for your health, and
you know our body. You know, we're social creatures and

(01:22:25):
we desire to be around each other. We have a
hunger for it. And when we're not around a lot
of people, we don't have a lot of interactions, then
the quarters all fires up and we become very, very terrified.
Because back in the day, you know, in one hundred
and gathered days, if you ended up on your own,
you were you were you were screwed. You know, as
the saying goes, drop one person in the jungle on
their own, you'll have a dead person. Drop ten in

(01:22:48):
and you'll have an apex predator. We are social creatures
that are designed to survive together. So even though we
don't need that in the modern world, we still feel
it acutely. And there's some stat that it's like, you know,
being lonely is akin when you're taken all into all
the health aspects and the early montality and stuff. It's

(01:23:09):
a kind of smoking fifteen cigarettes to day.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Yeah, it's incredibly bad for you being lonely, and there
is a massive epidemic out there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
I mean, that's one of those stats that's sayings so
much like bollocks that it probably is bollocks, but it
is one that's bandied around. I'll find out where it is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Yeah, but taking your calls on that O one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. How do you manage to maintain
friendships after the age of forty? What if it do
you need to put in? Get agree? How are you mate?

Speaker 11 (01:23:33):
I'm good?

Speaker 8 (01:23:33):
Here are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Not too bad? Tend to hear your story?

Speaker 11 (01:23:37):
Yeah, well I was just married in my twenties and
that and wasn't married that long, but everything sort of
drifted over to her friends and that. And when we
separated and got divorced and that, I just found that
everyone sort of drifted off because they were her sort

(01:23:58):
of friend groups and they had I tended to socialize
with her friend groups. And I thought to myself at
the time, I won't let that happen again. And I
got married, wried about ten fifteen years after that, and
I let the same thing happen again, started socializing with

(01:24:18):
her friends and that, and yeah, it's sort of all
drifted once our marriage dissolved. That I lost all the
friends back to back to who So I do see
them from time to time and say hello, but I
don't socialize with them or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
So have you tried to, you know, make your own
your own social situations Greek?

Speaker 12 (01:24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:24:44):
I have. I have got one one group or something
that I'll go to, but outside of that, it's very limited.
Like it's a scouting good that I look after him
this name, so I I deal with those guys are

(01:25:04):
the leaders and that at the at the dinner there
that's outside. No, don't do a whole lot of Are
you lonely.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
Now?

Speaker 11 (01:25:15):
I've got the two kids that live with me. Oh yeah,
and family is all.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
And well, family can be friends definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Yeah, you can be friends with your family. We just
need we need people in our lives. I guess there's
things when you when you don't that that's when it
gets when it's if you don't have any friends or family,
or you don't have family you like or get on
with whatever. So so you sound you sound you sound
you sound pretty happy, even though you've you've drifted away

(01:25:46):
from your wife's friends.

Speaker 11 (01:25:48):
Yeah. I just at times you sort of think it'd
be nice to the pubb or whatever, and you know
sort of.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
What yeah, yeah, right, what about your your mates your
head before you meet your wife? Did that just slowly
drop off over time? Is it as it does?

Speaker 11 (01:26:06):
Most of them have gone abroad or on the line
or yeah, not in Auckland anymore?

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Yeah, yeah, the.

Speaker 11 (01:26:12):
Ones that yeah, the ones that I went through school
with and all the rest of it. None of them
are really in Auckland anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Right, But I mean, is it something that you think about,
you know, reaching out? I mean, you've got you've got
this club, you're involved in, so there's a bit of contact,
but there's any other things that you've you've thought of doing.

Speaker 11 (01:26:36):
No, I'm pretty pretty pretty busy with with that. And
it's just the like you mentioned, it's not there's not
stuff outside of what we're actually doing. The activities with
the kids and that sort of stuff, so too around them,
the youth and that. It's yeah, it's not like the

(01:26:58):
pub on a Friday Friday night or catching up outside
that circle.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Yeah, I agreed. You sound like a good guy. I
mean absolutely, I think you'd be a good person to
catch up with the public.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Too, right, Yeah, yeah, but you sound pretty busy as well, Greek,
and you've got a good family there as well.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
So this is what I was talking about. The US
National Institute on Aging has suggested that the health risks
of prolonged isolation may be equivalent to smoking fifteen cigarettes
a day. Social isolation and loneliness have been estimated to
shorten a person's lifespan by as much as fifteen years. Today,
people who are socially isolated experience increased risk of stroke,
heart disease, mental health disorders in a variety of premature mortalities.

(01:27:34):
A few things in life are more important to our
social and physical mental health than strong connections with family
and friends. Yes, yes, many of us don't prioritize our
relationships with others. We treat our social life as a
nice to have.

Speaker 7 (01:27:49):
Just on there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
You know, you've got your mates catch up that you
do every set out, so standing invitation. But that idea
of having different friend groups and a partnership I think
is vital. I think you've got to have if you know,
for me, for example, I've got to have a different
group that very really interacts with Mayve and vice versa.
This idea of combining both friend groups into one big blob,

(01:28:14):
I don't know if that works well down the track.
I mean, it sounds nice, and it sounds like that's
a healthy relationship. But I think to me it's key
to have your own little separate groups and not because
if anything goes wrong. I just think, as a fella,
you need other fellas to talk some absolute garbage with
that the ladies just probably wouldn't understand to the same extent,

(01:28:34):
and vice versa.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
Yeah, I think in a relationship is way more healthy
if you keep separate friend groups you have some shared friends.
But yeah, I mean as I said before, Tracy, we
just would not want to come to one of my
standing lunches with my mates. You'd be like, why would
I be there? What would I want to hang out with?
You muppets? The grubbish you talk and perfect and that's healthy, right, Yep,

(01:28:56):
that works a treat because she's right, we talk absolute rubbish.
Because because male friendship is quite different from female friendships.
Male friendships are just abusing the living crap out of
each other.

Speaker 8 (01:29:06):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
So you sit around a table and try and insult
each other, because nothing tackles you more than a friend, really,
really brutally insulting you. Yeah, that's the good stuff because
you know that they'd only do that because they know
that you love them, and that they.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Love you comes from a massive place of love.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
So the bigger the insult that you don't punch them for,
the more the love.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
And I don't think and ladies well can describe why
female friendships are different than that. Yeah, yeah, because because men,
men show they love each other by banter and abusing
each other and insulting each other and trying to drill
down to the bit that their most pain.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
And it is great. It is hilarious. But what do
you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty so do
you think it is important for couples to have different
friend groups? And how do you maintain in foster friendships
after the age of forty nine to ninety two? Is
the text It's twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten you talk SV very good afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
It there's twenty four past three.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
Okay, this text here, it says two words for your boys,
men's shared. You know, the men's shed is I've seen
him in shard.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
I've gone inside though.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Now the men shared. Because the idea is that men's relationships,
like female friendships, tend to be face to face based
around talk. There's a lot of emotional disclosure and such.
But male friendships tend to be side by side based
around shared space, sharing activities, often in groups, you know,
like golf or building or hunting or tinkering. Yes, so

(01:30:42):
men like to be side by side. Women like to
face each other. In fact, they do these these experience
where they get you know, women will stand looking into
as thesis talking, but men will always move off to
the side constantly if if they have the CCD footage
and they just see they put an actor in there
to go and talk, or you know, they tell a
friend and a friend group and then they film it

(01:31:02):
to go for a man to look face to face
and talk to their friends, and the friend will always
move off into a thirty three.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Degree makes sense because that's awkward. Look at it right
into your mate's eyes and have it a chat.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
But anyway, the idea is that female friendships are face
to face, but male friendships tend to be side by side.
So this is the man shared and so if you
can look it up, it's man shared dot org dot nz.
Just to read out what it is, we're often asked
what a man shared hereafter simply referred to as a
shared is, and the answers can be long. But to

(01:31:33):
put it in a rather large nutshell, a shared brings
men together in one community space to share their skills,
have a laugh, and work on practical tasks individually, personal
projects or as a group for the shared or community.
The sorts of projects of sheared tackle is entirely up
to the shared concerned. However, most sheds around New Zealand
take on some community projects, examples of which including building
playgrounds for preschool centers, preparing toy library stock, preparing old

(01:31:57):
bikes for distribution to poorer communities, building plant of boxes
for the main street of the local central business district,
and the list goes on. So you can join these
man men's sheds and then you work away on projects
with with with other dudes. Brilliant and brings a lot
of meaning and it's a good way to make friends
and a good way to make the world a bit

(01:32:17):
of place.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Fantastic men. Shit for the win. Oh one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is being able to call get a pets.

Speaker 22 (01:32:25):
Yeah, how are you going?

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Good, Nice to chat with you.

Speaker 22 (01:32:29):
So you're nice to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Man, Well, what do you reckon? The reason is that
a lot of guys start to lose their close friends
after forty Well, I think.

Speaker 22 (01:32:40):
Men we need we need something different that we we
socialize differently and we we gain support differently. We don't
have we we have you know, we're emotional, but we
we connect differently than than females. And I think I

(01:33:03):
do believe females will like to like to have that
control and once we shuttle down we give, we seem
to give them everything, I believe, And yeah, I think
we get tired.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Yeah, there's a big part of that.

Speaker 9 (01:33:21):
Pet.

Speaker 22 (01:33:22):
Yeah, there's a big part of just we just give
up and get tired and you know, kids, life, work,
and yet our priorities change and our focus does, and
yet there's not much time for play anymore unless we
can sneak in out of the back and the garage
and have a beer and tinker with our fishing road

(01:33:43):
or whatever we're doing. But yet we don't really have
that much you know me time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Do you think it's worth putting whatever energy we have
in because it seems that females are better at organizing
to meet up with their friends and organize dinners and
all that kind of stuff. Do you think it's worth
putting that effort in if you can.

Speaker 22 (01:34:05):
No, I don't, I mean, I don't think it's an
and to be honest, for me, or speaking on behalf
of myself, it's not a greened and mean for to
organize something. I like to have you know, come home,
you know from work and then make calls up. Should
we watch a game? Yeah, I mean something you know
out of the blue. It's cool to have to have

(01:34:25):
a plan. I don't really like to make plans because
then then I'm committed to that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
I see that I've got every problem as well.

Speaker 22 (01:34:35):
What's going to happen the next day.

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
I'm the same as your pad. I know exactly and
i know exactly what you mean. I hate the commitment
of having to do something because I'm like, what if
I don't want to do that. It's like three weeks
are we're going to do this? And I'm like, oh,
but I might not want to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
How I'm going to feel in three weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
That's why, that's why, that's why, that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
The team is good to it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
So yeah, but that's why being in a team is good.

Speaker 22 (01:34:58):
One hand around the back.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
It's like, why it's good to be in a team,
pat because you've got practice and you've got the game.
So you have to be those those two and their
and their pre organ so you have to be there. Yeah,
that's the kind of commitment that we can handle, I think.
But but they talk about the idea and a friend
group as being there's a description of being the scherpa.
So in any friend group, you need the dude that

(01:35:22):
organizes things, says come around, guys. We're watching the game
at my house tonight.

Speaker 9 (01:35:27):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
You need that one guy, and not every guy is
that guy. But if you can be that guy, you're
doing a lot lot of good for your friend.

Speaker 9 (01:35:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Yeah, you're doing the line's share. Thanks Pat, great call,
Thank you very much. Do you agree with Pat?

Speaker 9 (01:35:39):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
And nine two niney two is the text. We've got
headlines coming up. We'll be bet very shortly. It is
twenty nine past three.

Speaker 13 (01:35:49):
You've talked said headlines with your Ride, New Zealand's number
one taxi yapp. Download your ride today. There's Donald Trump's
naval moves to block the straight of Horn moves good
drag countries like China into the conflict to protect impact
that Iranian fuel shipments. Tires have been slashed on six

(01:36:10):
more ambulances in South Auckland, this time in Otahuhu, on
top of three in Monuco in February. Police are asking
for any information. Police in Scotland are hunting for a
twenty four year old Kiwi monk who's gone missing from
a remote monastery on Papastronzi in the Orkney Islands. A

(01:36:31):
man trying to steal jewelry in Auckland's Westfield Monuco on
Sunday instead ended up wearing handcuffs around his wrists after
being caught. A second person has died after a collision
between a car and a truck near Hamilton's Pouquettee yesterday.
Two others are still in a serious condition. New Zealand
had a net migration loss of just over thirty six

(01:36:54):
thousand citizens in the yet of February. Westpac says AI
can outperform humans for some contact center tasks, but will
boost not replace staff. You can see more at ends
at Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about
how you maintain friendships as a fellow but also as
a female after the age of forty. Now, there was
a viral video that did the rounds about three or
four months ago, and it was a impatient plea by
a guest on a breakfast show over in the UK
talking about, you know, the friendships that can drift away
as you start to get a bit or older. But

(01:37:32):
he talked about the idea of the lad's holiday, and
here it is.

Speaker 23 (01:37:36):
But I'm telling you now, guys, as you get older,
the amount of time you get to spend with your
guy This is a real genuine male issue. The amount
of time you get to spend with your guy mates
diminishes as you get older, potentially absolutely, As you know,
the responsibilities of life takeover.

Speaker 12 (01:37:56):
I just.

Speaker 23 (01:37:58):
Until the breath runs out of my body, I will
always be excited about sitting on the train heading on
somewhere with my mates, and at nine point thirty in
the morning, the first crack of the ting goes. There
is no way that that is never igno excited with

(01:38:20):
the lack of responsibility of it. For just those few
short hours, the world is yours to go and attain
and achievemently excited by you only left once you go
and get it. And I love it. I love them.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
Would you like to go on?

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Let's go now? It's so true, so true. I mean,
just the idea of that lad holiday. And it does
become harder and harder to do that. But as you mentioned,
there that first crack of a beer at whatever time
of the morning it is, and you know you've got
no responsibilities. You're just there with your mate, you're having banter.
You've got some adventures to get onto. I mean, there
is a wonderful feeling and you got to grab onto

(01:38:54):
that with everything you can.

Speaker 8 (01:38:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
One of the best things you can do is get
a group of friends and all commit to putting twenty
backs away a week or something or whatever you can afford.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
I was talking to a mate whose friends do it away.
They've current go on hundred fift grand in their account.
These guys are all X, all black, so they've got
quite a lot of money. Anyway, you're putting some money away, right,
and then someone books a trip away, so you're committing
to it. You form a little club, say maybe it's
five or six mates putting money away every week, and
then when it gets up to a certain amount, going

(01:39:26):
on a lads trap.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Yeah, brilliant idea.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Yeah, and say it's for your mental health, because it is,
even though you'll come back broken, a shell of a man,
worse than you've ever been.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Yeah, get a Andrew, how are you mate?

Speaker 6 (01:39:38):
Thanks?

Speaker 24 (01:39:39):
Yeah? I was I was just sort of thinking how
this actually goes back to a conversation you are having
perhaps sort of two or three weeks ago, and you know,
I can relate to you being a squash player. I'm
a long time squash player, and I do get a
bit frustrated and tired with how alcohol can be demonized.

(01:40:00):
But I think it actually forms a very vital part
of that sort of social lubrication that men ahead with
each other. You know, we've I've got a group of
guys that the last fifteen years, we've you know, we
get together every Saturday and never hits. And I think
it does, you know, forms a really important part of

(01:40:22):
you know, our friendship, and it bonds us together and
with you like that or not. I know that, you know,
it's it's part of it. It's very hard to sort
of quantify just the benefits of sitting there together, having
a shared exercise, but then also having a beer or
time afterwards.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
Yeah, and it's a standing, a standing engagement, so it
doesn't need to be organized. This is the time you
do it, and you always do it exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:40:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:40:46):
I think, you know, we sort of give each other
a hard time, and you know we've come off a
bit better than bruised. But I think we you know,
we all we all enjoy it, and I think we
all get something out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
Yeah, one thing I've just sort of realized that my
friends and I who have the standing thing every every week,
we were talking the other day about why it's less
controversial with our partners now is because we're to go
away for four hours. It used to be we'd go
for lunch and then we'd be ringing them at ten
thirty at night and we'd be been at our fourth location.

Speaker 8 (01:41:16):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
That made it harder to get across the line. Yeah,
but if you can have, you know, go and play
squash and then you have a few drinks, but you
are going to be home, you know, for dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Yeah, the four hour time window, I think is easy
to get across the line, rather than you might not
see me for twenty four hours. But I, you know,
the beer thing, and I know that it's not for
everybody if you're a non drinker, but for me in particular,
starting to play squash, play at five thirty in the
morning and then sometimes we'll play in the afternoon, and
I genuinely enjoy the afternoon session far more because at

(01:41:48):
the end of that I can sit down and have
a cold beer. There's just something about that routine for
me is sitting down and Some might say, well, you
know the fact you've got to have a beer in
front of you to have a chattol mates, But that's
just me. I feel far more relaxed than that environment. Yeah,
and I've earned it, Yeah, exactly. It is something the
disalms disarms guys.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
You've done something to talk about, Andrew. So I'm sure
you guys talk about you talk about the games, you
know mainly, one thing's for sure. You'll go home and
you will not know anything about your friends personal likely
and your partner will go, oh, so what's happening with Judy.
I don't know what's happening with their kids. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
No idea we didn't didn't come up in conversation, Andrew.
Thank you very much mate, great call.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
So I was talking before about that guy Max Dickens,
who wrote a book Billy No Mates, about how to
find friends in the modern world, and I interviewed him
about it a few years ago, and this is what
he said. When you emerge from your twenties, you can
rely on spontaneity any You can't rely on spontaneity anymore,
especially if you have a family. When it comes to
close friends, regularity of the contact and the intensity of

(01:42:55):
it is really important. If you don't see them, you're
not going to maintain that closeness. So whether it's a
poker night every fortnite or a five a side football
league with beers afterwards, regularity is really important. So you
don't have to reinvent the wheel. If you're a blow,
activities work best. It is important to do the work
of being the friend, literally the admin, the emotional work
of being the one that shows up checks in. The

(01:43:17):
best way to have friends is to be a friend.
Can you make your friendships a little bit closer? You
don't have to become wishy washy new man, but you
can expand the toolbox.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
That's brilliant. What's the name of that book.

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
It's called Billy Nomtes.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Yeah, how good. Keep those calls coming through on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and the text number is
nine two nine two. It is twenty to four.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Bag for you, surely the issues that affect you and
a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talk sa'd.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Be eighteen to four. So how do you keep close
friendships going after the age of forty oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighties and number to call.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
Hamish says, the long Lunch with the lads is sadly
no longer a thing, although a few of us are
trying to keep it going. We'll do that, Amos. Be
the shirper, yep, be the guy that keeps pushing for it,
because no one regrets it. No one regrets it when
they when they pass alttle a bit of time and
they turn up, no one sits down with their mates,
and the banter starts and goes. I wish I'd stayed

(01:44:10):
at home.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
The standing invitation.

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
As annoying as it is to go to to get out,
sometimes yeah, when you're out, you never regret it. But
someone has to organize it, because then everyone's sitting around going, oh,
what happened to the lads long lunch?

Speaker 6 (01:44:23):
To it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
And well it was because no one kept organizing it,
that no one kept pushing it. Yeah, be a sher hamer.
Start the thread, start the lads Long Lunch thread, and
and then just you'll bintering all week in the thread
on WhatsApp or whatever, and then you'll have the lunch
and it'll be bloody great. Chris, Welcome the show.

Speaker 21 (01:44:42):
Hi mate, Yeah, my stories. It's not about regular, well
it is regular, it's every two years. But a mate
of mine in twenty eighteen got prostate cancer. Lives in
the UK, and he was at the end of his
tether and he thought his life was over and he
was on the sitting on the edge of a cliff.
Let's put it like that. And I said to him,
sod it, let's just go away. And every two years

(01:45:04):
we've been catching up halfway between the UK and here
somewhere in the world. We're both sixty five this year
and we're heading off to Korea for a few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
Oh, how good, it's.

Speaker 21 (01:45:15):
Yeah, he's kept him, you know, he's bought him back.
He's now got a new partner and his life's back
on track. But we're still doing it every two years,
and like for a year we sort of look forward
to the trip, and then for a year after that
we reminisce and yeah we're both sixty five ers to
say this year, so we're heading off on another on
another trek.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
So how are you communicating between times, Chris?

Speaker 21 (01:45:39):
We we use the old WhatsApp. Yeah, no, people ver
eat social media and that. But for blokes. You know,
we don't pick up the phone and talk and we
don't write letters anymore. But you know what, what's that
for communication? And Instagram for just putting a photograph of
there because you don't have to add words. Yeah, so

(01:46:00):
you know he's Blakes Blake's. You know, you can sit
around a table with a load of beers and and
mots of three words all night and you think you've
had a good night, whereas women, you know, jab attend
to the dozen all night. So yeah, we're built differently.
But I think it's just the fact that if I
haven't heard for a couple of months, I'll message him

(01:46:21):
and go everything all right, and he'll go yeah, and
we'll go okay, cool, and then and then they'll be
right where we going next time.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
So what's the what's it like when you guys, you
get off the plane, you meet up and you're going
to do a little holiday together, just the two of you.
What is it?

Speaker 6 (01:46:36):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
Get a handshake?

Speaker 6 (01:46:38):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
Is it a hug?

Speaker 21 (01:46:41):
Definitely? Definitely a bear hug.

Speaker 12 (01:46:43):
I mean.

Speaker 21 (01:46:45):
Three and eats about five six, It's a bear hug.
And then it's right nearest pub, let's get a beer. Yeah,
and it's just like you saw him last week.

Speaker 6 (01:46:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
You know, that's a beautiful.

Speaker 21 (01:47:00):
Mate for thirty years.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
So yeah, I love that man.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
It's a great friendship. Yeah, that's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I can just imagine the situation
when you see each other. That's that's a it's a
beautiful image, especially the three he's five. Sex is great.

Speaker 21 (01:47:16):
Yeah, yeah, my and a couple of other things. My
old man died during COVID and and all my family
live in England and my mom was living in Wales,
and so he was the only guy who could attend
my dad's funeral apart from my mum. So you know
that was pretty special.

Speaker 9 (01:47:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
Yeah, well you got to hold onto those sort of friendships. Christy,
you're fizzing for Korea A big.

Speaker 21 (01:47:40):
Time mate, big time. The only the only thing I'll
say is we share a room, right and twin twin room.
But because you've got prostate country, have to wear the
nappy and and I keep saying to him, for God's sake,
stop putting pink nappy bags in the in the people
will get the wrong idea.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
Yeah, that's that's a great way to for the friendships.
Doing a bit of bit and earning. Yeah, cheering a
cheering hotel room.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
Yeah to and share that is a bonding experience. There
some good texts given through on nineteen nine two, but
taking your calls on O. E. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty. This one says, get our lads, I am
thirty nine and have moved away from all my old
friends that I grew up with. For the last fifteen years,
we've been meeting up once a year to go tramping
for four to five days somewhere in the country in
the mountains. We might go a long time between drinks
now due to all of us having busy lives and families,

(01:48:31):
but it's a friendship that lasts since primary school and
the two other guys involved are brothers now that we
could call upon one another at a time if we need,
and guarantee the others would respond. Highly recommend to all
men to make it least once a year for those
you grew up with and remain close with to go
away and catch up. Great for you, mental.

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
Out great chat lads, says is text that us lads
have it easy. You put all the league and union
games in the calendar months in advance that mixed with
cold ones and you can't go wrong. The wife sees
it and you encourage her to see her mates on
the opposite night. That way, you spend one evening together
between Friday to Sunday. It's a win win. My wife
still hasn't filled in the calendar. Most of them are

(01:49:08):
two busy swiping through book face and Bibo bibo first
and in all honesty, seeing friends together as a couple
and apart as individuals an important ingredient to maintain satisfaction
and life. Is Bibo still going?

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
I thought that closed down years ago, Bibo Bibo, those
were the days.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
But yeah, that's further to what you were saying before, Tyler,
isn't it. It's great if you can have shared friends
but separate friends.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Yeah. I think it's critical to a healthy relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
And if you're in a relationship and you don't like
your partner going off and hang out with the friends
without you, then then I think that's that's unhealthy.

Speaker 8 (01:49:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
Cut the apron springs, Yeah, I mean strings.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
Cut the apron springs. Tuesday Darts night for my husband
and his mates works very well.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
Yeah, nice is Mary and this one. We have three
of us that met up every Wednesday night for band
practice and quotation marks, which is just an excuse to
decompress over some beers in the garage bar. We might
play some average dad rock, but that's a bonus love
that the six.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
To be fair, most blokes get hearing loss through their jobs.
It's a wee bit difficult to socialize when you can't
really pick up the conversation. Cheers farmer Bruce. Yeah, that
is a problem when you start to lose your hearing,
very very complicated to socialize with anyone, grand grandkids, wife, whatever, kids.
So you know, if you're going to if you've got
any money to spend, spend it on your on your hearing.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Ye half in a bar situation.

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
There's some pretty freaking cool hearing aids out there now
and technology, Yeah, there is, so you can you know,
you're not don't have to be you know, you're not
running massive, big operations. You can have these pretty subtly
operations that are that are just doing incredible things and
then you can.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
Get back to the socializing, right absolutely. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number of call? How
do you keep your friendships going after the age of forty,
particularly if you're a bloke. Nine two ninety two is
the text number as well. Beck text the beg very
surely it is tend.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
To fall the big stories, the big issues, the big
trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons used TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
News Talks THEREB and we have been discussing how to
maintain your friendships after the age of forty, particularly if
you are a bloke. An article in The Hero that
says it's incredibly hard for a lot of males to
maintain friendships after that age is life gets a little
bit more complicated for some some great texts coming through
on nine two ninety two l like this one. Get
a Lads. There is about twenty mates in our group

(01:51:36):
from school times and we are around forty now. Since
around twenty twenty we started a thing called First Friday,
where the first Friday of every month we have and activity,
drinks or some sort of catch up. Sometimes there are
five of us, sometimes the whole lot. No obligations if
you can't make it, but it's always penciled on the
family calendars in a great way to keep in contact

(01:51:57):
with mates and no questions asked by the wife. We
will pick one or two a year where we might
be a bit more adventurous or push the boat out.
But it has turned into a bit of a following
now with others turning up and all so other groups
doing similar things. How good?

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
Why are only men allowed friends? Is this text? This
chat is very sexist to us, ladies? Well, no women
are allowed friends. In fact, as we said at the
start of the conversation, and what we're talking about here
is that women are better at holding on too friends
yes later in life after forty than men are. That's
why we're talking about it. It's not really sexist. It's just
talking about a particular problem that men have.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Men find it a bit harder.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
And are we not allowed to talk about problems that
men have.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Or apparently not to that texture.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
Sexist to try and do anything for men.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
A couple more texts coming through this one. Gooday, guys,
I would have upwards of fifty good friends that are
socialized with regularly, not all at once, of course, but
in a given week I would have spent time with
maybe twenty of them. That is busy. It is essential
to mental health. We need to just have other blokes around.
We are pack animals.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Hi, guys, you're right. I turned into a recluse when
my hearing failed quickly. I spent serious money on some
pretty cool hearing aids and now go back out with
my mates. I can even listen to you guys through
bluetooth working away. Couldn't recommend them more. Sheers, Greg, good
on you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
You cut on your creer. Great text and great discussion,
I think, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
Yeah, keep friendships going if you can be the surper organize,
get a WhatsApp thread going with your friends. And if
you don't, don't have a lot of friends, and you
can then go where you might meet people you know,
join a club, look up the man shed. Yes, friends
are so important. We treat them like a nice to have,
but they are really worth putting the effort in.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Yeah, I reckon absolutely nicely made its importance.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
Organize things that don't take a lot of organization, repeating
standing standing fixtures. All right, That brings us the end
of the show. Thanks so much for all your calls
and texts. The great and powerful Heather Dooperice Ellen is
up next with massive university religion experts. Who's joining hither
to talk about Trump versus the Pope, and that'll be
after five. We'll be back live from midday tomorrow, Tyro

(01:54:05):
and I will be But mate, why am I playing?
Playing this absolute banger?

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
What a June? Who wants to live forever? By Queen?
Well played, mate, Well played? Because we had fascinating discussion
about scientists getting very very close to vastly extending the
human life span to two hundred and fifty and beyond.
Who wants to live forever? According to that discussion, quite
a few people want to live forever.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
Yes, But who wants to live for forever when love
must die? Tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
Yeah, Love's important, mate.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
How good is the original Hollander movie?

Speaker 11 (01:54:38):
Ah?

Speaker 6 (01:54:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
And what a voice?

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
How great is Mercury?

Speaker 8 (01:54:41):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
As I said, we'll be back live tomorrow from midday
until then, give them a taste of Kiwi for last weight.

Speaker 8 (01:54:48):
Again you seem brasy.

Speaker 7 (01:55:31):
Mattie and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
For more from News Talk st B, listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio