Full Show Podcast: 14 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Very good? Thanks Tyler Adams, and welcome the show everyone.
Our number is one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And of course some shocking said devastating news overnight with
the death of Sir Sam Neil.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
It's it's a DNA say.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
We give this character, o God that it totally wrungs
with forlorn Buddy Crecher.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
This thing doesn't learn this Swan.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Twenty five place, haven't back, Brack.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
You're sorry. You said you've got a t rex, so
you can we have a t rex, Doctor Grunt, my
dear doctor Sacher. Welcome to Jurassic Bunk. Oh, Who's bumps?

(01:44):
Obviously Dressing Part nine ninety three, huge movie, Sam Neel
and so many movies. What was there was something like
ninety six appearances and and stuff. Yeah, and that moment
is one of the most memed moments in the world
when he takes off his sunglasses when he first sees
the dinosaur, and I remember him talking about it and

(02:04):
he was saying, you wouldn't. It was just that's like
Steven Spielburgism, where Steven Spielberg will make you an act
to do something to give you. Know, I don't know
gravitas to the moment, but why would you take your
sunglasses off? You just look at it. But the way
he takes him off is just what a way to
show how amazed you were by I was lucky enough

(02:25):
to interview Sam Neil a few times. It was a lovely,
gent fun to talk to. I Also, I was making
a television show way back in the day called Back
of the Why Masterpiece Television. Yes, And at the time
we were shooting music videos for Tim Finn, who's friends
with Neil with Sam Neil right well, and so we
asked Tim if he could organize Sam to be in

(02:46):
our show for no money, and Sam Neil was like, yeah,
and so he was in our show for no money.
He wore a back of the way. He didn't even
know what the show was until he saw a little
bit before he was on it, and I'm not sure
if he still wanted to be on it, but he
put on the costume we wanted to put on it
and delivered his lines and was such a good dude.

(03:08):
But I don't know, I got nervous. This is a
long time ago, and I got nervous talking to him
and I said the stupidest thing. And it always always
stuck with me, because you know when when you when
you meet someone famous, oh Man of great maner you,
you know, you lose your call sometimes. And I said,
I was so dumb. I said, you were actually born
in Ireland and he goes, I'm a New Zealander.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I don't know why I said it. It was before Wikipedia.
It was just it just blurted out because there was
a piece of information. I knew that, you know, it
was very much a New Zealander and saw himself as
a New Zealander. But he just went, I don't know
why people always bring that up. I'm a New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
It's an interesting fact. I mean it's a bold opener.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, but why what do you need to blist that?
You don't blast out any information you have you were
actually born in an island He knows.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, he does know he was born man.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, great man, so many, so many
fantastic and just kept going. As I was saying before,
there was never a time when he wasn't in something major.
It just kept going and going and going. And TV
shows later on you know you see him pop up
and Peaky Blinders Invasion Untamed was a recent one as well.
So yeah, Sam Neil, you will be missed and enough

(04:21):
to three pm. We'd love to hear your thoughts on
Sam Neil and O eight hundred eighty ten eighty you
know what you think as greatet, as performance, as were,
what his legacy is for New Zealand, and being New
Zealand such a small place, your interactions with the man,
because there will be a lot of people out there
that have met Sam Neil.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yep, here here looking forward to your stories after three o'clock.
But right now, former broadcaster Paul Henry has been confirmed
as the newest candidate for the Act Party ahead of
the election. Of course, our leader David Seymour unveiled move
this morning. He said Henry would be a strong addition
to the party and his charisma is unmatched in many
parts of New Zealand. So Henry previously stood for the

(04:59):
National Party in nineteen ninety nine, but years of course
best known for his media career. And then announcing his candidacy,
he described himself as being uncharacteristically handsome and said he
didn't need a new career, of course, but he had
been reflecting on his family in the kind of future
he wants for them, and he said he thought about
his ten grandchildren that helped drive his decision. He's also

(05:20):
confirmed he has resigned from the TV and Z board
this morning, saying it would be untenable to maintain that
role while running for a political party.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, so this six, I mean, really the question we're
asking one hundred eighty ten eighty would you vote for
Paul Henry twenty seven years since he was last ran?
I believe and he ran for National didn't he? He did
and were a rapper?

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
And does him becoming an ACT candidate make you more
likely party vote ACT? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Texas
says no, no, no, I would never vote ACT but no,
but now we'll never vote ACT.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Okay, so they'd never vote ACT, but now definitely they
wouldn't vote ACT.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, but they've left out a word there. Okay, so
you haven't lost that voter. They would never vote ACT
and adding Paul Henry to the lineup means that they'll
continue to never vote and.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Not much of a loss for the party.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
The six says Mattontyle. I'm happy Paul Henry is standing.
We are being overrun by left wing ideology and candidates
refreshing change. That's from Tony. But what do you think?
O one hundred eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Tell us your thoughts? Would you vote for Paul Henry?
Does this change anything? And how you look at the
ACT Party or a head of the election? Nineteen ninety
two is the text as well. It is thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
One, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Be it is a quarter past one and we're talking
about Paul Henry being selected for the ACT Party. He
is going to be on the list. He's not going
to contest and electorate. It's not knowing how high up
he will be on the list at this stage, but
it is assumed or the leader. David Seymour said he
will be high up on that list.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
So what do you say?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Is this a game changer for the ACT party? Would
you consider moving your vote to ACT? With Paul Henry
now a candidate oh eight hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
As the same before. Henry ran as the National Party
candidate for the Waira Rappa Electric in the nineteen ninety
nine general election. He lost to former radio colleague and
New Zealand Labour candidate Georgina Bayer, both three thousand and
thirty three votes. That was twenty seven years ago. Yes,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, he's learned a lot on that twenty seven years.
A couple of techs coming through. On nine two nine two,
Cindy says, yes.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
We'll be voting Paul Henry wasn't sure between National ACT,
but the seals the deal. He so suits ACT. Haha,
I love it done. Tick okay. Cindy's inn on board.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
All in all in this one says okday, guys, Nope,
this wouldn't change a thing for me. I don't mind ACT,
and I'm still considering who i'd vote for. But Paul Henry, yeah, nah,
he's okay. But It's not a game changer for me,
but I could see the appeal for a lot of
other people.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
The sick says, I can't believe the ACT Party would
recruit Paul Henry has demonstrated in the past that he
is most disrespectful to women and people of ethnicity of color,
eth necessity of color. I personally witness his interview on
the Breakfast Show many years ago. After that, I would
never vote for him or the ACT Party for supporting
this despicable person. You only need to google Paul Henry

(08:15):
slash controversy and you will see a myriad of reports
supporting my claim made above. Scis the text. I mean
that I think he's talking about the twenty ten Commonwealth
Games controversy, Yes, that had him step down for Breakfast
from Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I think we can say her name, her name was
Sheila Dixon.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
That was her name?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I was as that the correct pronunciation of it. I
believe so, right right, Yeah, I mean, there's two ways
you can read that particular scandal. Wasn't there I mean,
because they were talking about the situation with the sanitary
conditions that the game's village, wasn't it yesep. And so
his claim is that he was thought that her name
was apt because they were dealing with that sanitary situation

(09:04):
at the Commonwealth Games and it had nothing to do
with her ethnicity or nationality. That's his claim. It was
a joke, and other people claim that it was a terrible,
terrible thing to do and racist and sarch and he
deserved to lose his job. Yeah, there was seventeen sixteen
years ago. But if you know, if you think people
would hold that against him, or you would hold that
against him, we're keen to hear from you. And here

(09:26):
why I one hundred and eighty ten eighty would be
the number to call in nineteen nine two is the text?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Don how are you?

Speaker 7 (09:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (09:32):
Hello? Look, Celebrity politics is always a big risk, and
Paul Henry's a bigger risk than most. You never know
what he's going to say next, and he could say
something that is really positive for his party or something
that really offends a lot of people. You just never know. However,
it won't stop me voting act, it won't stop me

(09:54):
voting for James Christmas and Tammocky wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
The fact that right? Does it make you more I
guess motivated, more excited about act or just the same.

Speaker 8 (10:05):
Don Look, it's going to draw a line of attension,
whether it's going to be positive or negative, that's too
early to say. I mean, poor Henry, he's amusing and
equally is offensive at that time. So it just depends
on which Paul Henry is going to come to the fourth.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Which one do you think is going to come to
the four? Don I just say that with you know,
the Paul Henry that we've seen of ladies still got
that cheekiness, and of course he does. But I would
say my opinion is the Paul Henry of lads as
someone who leans into the professional side. He got elected
to the TVNZ board. Do you think that's the Paul
Henry we'll see as an ACT candidate.

Speaker 8 (10:45):
Yeah, I'm hoping so. I think so he has toned
down a little bit, but I hope that he doesn't
lose that cheekiness because although at times I find I
have found him offensive, at the same time I really
enjoy his His yearmor.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
He seemed to be go down pretty well at acts.
I think it was twenty twenty four that rally that
he spoke at. He was the keynote speaker I think
was of course it called the change Makers Event or
something that's right. Yeah, and he delivered a speech that
seemed to rally up ACT supporters, So you know, I
can see that he'll be speaking to the ACT faithful

(11:29):
in that regard and maybe made make them. I don't know.
It's so hard to get cut through, isn't it coming
into an election if you're a smaller party. So this
cut through and maybe there's enthusiasm from the party base
to work a little bit harder for votes or something
like that. Can you see him having that kind of
effect on I.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
Think the effect could be that he'll attract a lot
of people to public meetings, either four or on gates.
But it's a good thing because you know that really
exposes the various candidate's still a wider range of people.
So I think it's going to be positive in that effect.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I was looking down a road at one point in
Auckland and there was a huge queue outside a bookstore
and I was like, what's in there and Paul signing it?
But Paul Henry was signing copies of a second book
right this book and there's a big crowd lines out
the door, so he does have his fans. Thank you
for your call. Don appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Do you agree with don O one hundred and eighty
ten eighty If you're an ex supporter, does a change
anything for you? Does that reinforce your vote? And if
you're not, would you consider voting for ACT? With the
announcement of Paul Henry as a candidate nineteen ninety two
is the text as well. We'll get to some of
those very shortly. It is twenty one past.

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(13:13):
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Speaker 2 (13:20):
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Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's twenty four past one and we're talking about the
announcement of Paul Henry as a candidate for the ACT Party.
Does that change anything for you ahead of the election.
We're one hundred and sixteen days away now. But during
that stand up with leader David Seymour, one of the
things he did suggest that he's proposed building a new
world class cancer hospital in Auckland, saying it would cost
billions and suggesting wealthy individuals could contribute significantly towards the project.

(13:52):
So he's already got some policy ideas in mind. But
what do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
does this change anything in your eyes on who you're
going to vote for? Nine two ninety two is the text, Luise,
You're stoked?

Speaker 9 (14:06):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (14:06):
Absolutely?

Speaker 10 (14:08):
I find Paul Henry through influential, so he's exactly what
ACT Party need you know. I despair at all of
the comments, negative comments you hear about David Symour and ACT.
I just completely can't think where everyone's coming from.

Speaker 11 (14:26):
Us.

Speaker 10 (14:26):
They don't see that that's the answer to what we've
were all our problems in New Zealand. I mean, start
to finish. He's the only one who's coming up who
has the guts to come up with policies which actually
make us, you know, give us a kick up the backside,
which is what we need.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
And so do you think Paul Henry will help David
Seymour and ACT get their message across to more people?

Speaker 10 (14:52):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You're oh, you go sorry, Alouise.

Speaker 10 (14:58):
I know there's people who don't like him, but those
are the sort of people.

Speaker 12 (15:01):
Who wouldn't vote for ACT anyway.

Speaker 10 (15:03):
And those are them, you know, that type of person
that I do not understand where they're coming from. People
get offended way too easily in this country. Sometimes you've
just got to see through forget that sort of stuff.
Look at what the person's standing for.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
That all that matters.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Do you think it will be a more moderate Paul
Henry as he gets on the campaign trail or would
you want to see him you know, his typical pushing
the envelopes south.

Speaker 10 (15:30):
I hope it's not a moderate Paul Henry. I just
we really need someone to wake everyone up.

Speaker 8 (15:37):
Really.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So you were always going to vote ACT though, Louise,
would that be correct?

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (15:42):
Definitely, yeah, I used to. I was living in Singapore
for about twenty years. I was just a tribal National voter.
I didn't really follow what was happening in New Zealand.
I was too busy, and so every year every election
I'd turn up at the Singapore, at the New Zealand
Hong Kong and just vote National. National came back here,
I thought, well, what have I been doing? I mean, okay,

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National definitely is a good party, but too soft on everything.
They just don't know whether there is influenced through my
time in Singapore, but gosh, I know what it takes
to make country successful living through living there for that long.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Would you have a volunteer for ACT to help them
get to have?

Speaker 6 (16:27):
I have?

Speaker 12 (16:29):
Right?

Speaker 13 (16:30):
Right?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I see? So having Paul Henry in a way seems
to me, judging by the text and talking to you,
that sort of fires up the base and maybe we'll
provide motivation because it's a bit of a grind being
one of the smaller parties, isn't it. So having something
like that, I can't why are you guys up?

Speaker 10 (16:47):
Yeah? And I can't believe the statistics that come out
in the polling. It's just I just I don't understand
people in this country. I just don't understand.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
I think a lot of people would feel the same
way you feel, Louise. But it is it's going to
be an interesting election. Yeah, thank you very much, Thank
you very much for your phone call. Really appreciate it.
Have a great afternoon. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty You like, Louise,
if you're an act voter, Is this going to charge
up the party? Is this what it needs?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
This tix says Laws versus Henry and the debating chamber
will be a beauty. Certainly will Yeah, I mean that
that's the thing. I mean, Paul Henry and the debating chamber.
If he gets in there, we'll be all saying you
can do a lot under parliamentary privilege. He's a great orator,
he is. You've got to say that. What do you
think of the man? He's a you know, if you've

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ever seen in his public speaking, very impressive.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
He certainly is. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number two call. Got the headlines coming up. But
when we come back, we'll have a chat with Tom
who seems to be pretty happy with the announcement of
Paul Henry, so that is next. It is twenty eight
past one.

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Speaker 3 (19:13):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So, as we've been
discussing form of broadcaster, Paul Henry has been confirmed as
act's newest candidate ahead of this year's election. ACT lead
to David Seymour announced the move this morning. Saint Henry
would be a valuable addition to the party and David
Seymour joins us now afternoon, Minister, Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
So Paul Henry made a well received speech at the
twenty twenty four ACT Change Makers rally. If I remember correctly,
is that how he became involved with the party, David, Well, there.

Speaker 14 (19:41):
Was a step before that. He wrote a column before
the twenty twenty three elections saying he was voting for
ACT and that's when we thought it might be an
idea to invite him to the rally, but I think
it's fair to say as part of organizing that, and
since then, I've got to know him just a little bit.
And the biggest thing I would say that I've noticed

(20:02):
that people might not expect is that behind the bombastic,
larger than life character, he's actually a very serious and
very thoughtful person who is very genuine in his concern
for the country. So we're thrilled to have him on board,
both for his presence, his energy is communication as an
infectious enthusiasm, all those things are awesome, but also quite

(20:26):
a deep thinker too.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now, being an MP as a grind as you know,
can you imagine a man who's now synonymous with Palm
Spring's reality TV living on a yacht. Is he going
to be able to knuckle down and do the reading
and the hard yards that it takes to be a
politician day in and day out.

Speaker 14 (20:46):
Well, you know, in half of the Labor and Green
parties have got away without doing that, So maybe not
as important as you think. But seriously, the first thing
I said to him, because he said, I really want
to do this, and I said, mate, let me just
give you a reality check. A lot of it as

(21:06):
being in Wellington on a August afternoon with the wind
howling outside, and you're stuck in a civic committee listening
to submission number four hundred and sixty two on the
X y.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Z bill really selling it.

Speaker 14 (21:22):
You might start to regret your life choices at that time.
It will be quite different from the lifestyle you're used to.
And he went away and he thought about that, and
he said, no, I do understand that. And he mentioned
that in the in the media conference today. So yep,
he's accepted.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That and he's up for it. Yeah, he brings star power,
there's no doubt about it. But he also brings a
bit of baggage, doesn't there. Are you concerned about the
the BSA baggage that comes along with Paul Henry?

Speaker 14 (21:53):
No, because if we started applying that sort of standard,
we'd have an incredibly boring parliament, and we also lacked
the ability to disagree and debate things, which is the
whole point of our politics. As he said today, he
was on another radio station. It doesn't matter which one,

(22:14):
but let's just say I'm glad I'm on this one.
There's another one, well you no, no, no, no, don't worry,
I forget I said it, and you know, he said, look,
you know, literally thousands of hours of broadcasting on TV
on the edge and occasionally you step over it. But

(22:34):
you know, at the end of the day, if we
if we start putting purity tests on everyone, we'll lose
the will to live.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Well, he stood for the National Party in Wyre Rapper
and he lost to Labor's Georgina Buyers by three thousand votes.
I understand. I mean, obviously that was a week while ago.
But is he a stronger candidate now, David, Well, it.

Speaker 14 (22:55):
Was literally last century, and I think a couple of things,
I mean a couple a couple of things have changed.
One when Paul got asked this question, he said, look,
you know I've changed. I mean he's sixty five now.
He must have been thirty eight then, so you're a
different person at sixty five from thirty eighties. He's learned
a lot along the way. And second of all, New

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Zealand's changed. I don't think the alarm bells were on
a light on the dashboard like they are now now.
Our position in terms of debt and economic growth, our
future is much less secure than it felt in the
nineteen nineties, which were quite an a brilliant time for

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New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Now I'm not one of.

Speaker 14 (23:40):
Those people that says we've got to go back. I
believe that when we face challenges like today, we need
to go forward. We can't go back, but we do
need to make sure that we bring some of the
vibrancy and the hope that is required because this country
has got huge potential, but we lock it down with
restrictions we put on ourselves, stupid rules from talk, poppy syndrome,

(24:02):
all the things that Paul Henry's here abut to blow up.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Do you expect them to rack it up on the
campaign trail day?

Speaker 15 (24:08):
David?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Do you think he will be the Paul Henry looseness
or is this a more moderate Paul that we're looking at.

Speaker 14 (24:14):
I think he'll be a weapon. I think he'll be effective.
But as I said at the outset of this interview,
I think some people may underestimate him because they think
he's just a shop shock.

Speaker 16 (24:25):
He's not.

Speaker 14 (24:26):
He's actually quite a serious and thoughtful guy beneath it all.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
And where are you putting him on the list?

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Well, that's up to the ACT Party Board.

Speaker 14 (24:34):
But you know I've discussed it with the board and
he will be put in a respectable and electable position,
no question about that.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
David.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Really appreciate your time this afternoon. It certainly get getting
a lot of reaction on our tics machine, which is
a good thing. But appreciate your time and we'll catch
up again soon.

Speaker 14 (24:52):
Legend can't wait.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
That is ACT Party.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Leader David Seymour. So what do you say? Yeah, and
Paul Henry will be joining Heather Duplessy Allen on Drive
this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Looking forward to that one of view it from the
horse's mouth, absolutely, So tell us what you think Paul
Henry is now a candidate for the ACT Party. Does
that change you will vote in the election, and how
do you think Paul Henry will go as a politician.
It is twenty two to two, but let's have a
chat to Tom.

Speaker 17 (25:15):
Get a Tom Good afternoon, gentlemen. Yeah, this would be
just the time of New Zealand needs in the political sphere.
It's it's pretty dire at the moment. Everybody's vanilla. So
this guy will be kind of hokey pokey or.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Tooty fruity.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
He's a snapy dresser, There's no doubt about that. He's
up he dresses a little bit like Willy Wonka at
the Willie Wonker's Chocolate factory. Maybe that's just because I
was on the TV show Traders with him, and he
might have been in costume for that. But you know,
he is a snappy addresser. He's certainly far from Vanilla
in that that front. But Tom, do you like him

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as a broadcaster? His personality as a broadcast or a
you are fond of some substance under the surface that
a lot of people may not have seen.

Speaker 17 (26:08):
I think he has very conturvative value, So I'll go
with that.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
I've read the odd.

Speaker 17 (26:14):
Thing article here and there. He's lived a pretty Yeah,
he's lived an interesting life, but he's not outlandish. You're
saying about Palm Springs. I mean people can work from home.
It's I mean are where you are nowadays? Makes no
big difference. But yeah, I mean he'll he'll keep the

(26:35):
opposition guessing, and that's what we need, keep them on
their toes.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
So yeah, yeah, well think I for your call time.
Hi guys, No way, Henry is a clown, says this text.
There are enough clowns in the Act Party already, they
don't need any more. He should stick to fronting the
traitors much more apt for him. That's from John.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Okay, do you agree with John that text? Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty? Is that number to call?
It is twenty to two?

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Your home of afternoon talk mad even Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk said.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Be seventeen to two. Paul Henry's been announced as an
Act Party candidate. Does that change anything for your head
of the election? O? One hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
This text says people have short memories. Paul Henry was
so rude to Georgina Byers when she won the wire
rapper seat and said some nasty things plas the incident
when he laughed at the woman with a hairy face.
He's a smarty pants. Wow, tell you what smarty pants is.
One of the is a very low level insult. Isn't
smart smarty pants and insult or a compliment?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's a good point. I would take that as a compliment.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
You smarty Let's just say you're smarty pants. Yeah, means
you're too smart for your own good. Yeah, but you
know people have short memories. You're talking about an election
from twenty seven years ago. I mean literally last century,
as David Siemol said, so people could have quite long
memories and still have forgotten about what Paul Henry said
to Georgina Byers.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, exactly, keep those ticks coming through on nine two
nine two, Sue, what do you reckon?

Speaker 18 (28:02):
I think that Paul Henry is a wonderful addition to ACT.
He's straight to the point, won't suffer fools, and it's
just an excellent addition, perfect for ACT. And he's a
big fan of getting rid of a big government. We're
weighted down here in New Zealand by bureaucracy and our

(28:26):
economy is just too small for such a huge bureaucracy.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
And do you think a primarily a broadcaster in a
more recent years, reality TV host and man that splits
his time between Palm Springs and a beautiful yacht is
the right person to cut through that red tape suit.

Speaker 18 (28:49):
I think Paul Henry obviously cares deeply about New Zealand,
and I think that being able, being such a highly
intelligent person, well experienced, he'll be able to get ACT
message across very clearly.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
So you're an ACT Party voter right now, Sue, is
that right? Yes, yes, I am yep. And so you
think this is just going to give it a bit
of a jolt for the campaign, I do.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
You'll you'll take even harder than.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Before anyone around block letter in.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
So who's going to take a hole through the paper?

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Good on you, Sue, Thank you very much for giving
us a call.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And this text is that I like him, but I
love that he's in politics. Okay, okay, right, that's that's insumant.
I mean, as a few people have been texting through.
If he makes it makes it in, and it sounds
like he's going to get you know, he's going to
be high up on the list, so have a very
good chance. So we'll be interesting to hear him debating
in parliament, won't it.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
It will be you want some color in parliament, right?
You know, there's there's a lot of politicians out there
that you may know the names, but you know they're
pretty serious people and they don't add much color into
the house. So when we get people like, let's be honest,
Shane Jones, Winston Peters, Paul Henry, arguably maybe Michael Laws,
does that add a lot to the new Zealand's political scene.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I say, yes, this text doesn't agree with you. Okay,
this Texas is Paul Henry yawn, this is just an
act beat up. Well well, well it is.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Kind of it, yeah, because that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
They're trying to get elected, so they've selected someone that
they think will help them get elected. Spot on it,
spot on tex So it's not a conspiracy theory to
say that that this is an act beat up. But
this person, says Paul Henry, is a creep. He once
suggested on Breakfast TV that Susanan Boyle was probably starved
of oxygen at birth. Judgment is key, a key requirement

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for an MP and has clearly questionable.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Look he see what he thought in the moment. He
was very successful on Breakfast TV, high rating, very high rating.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Voice of an Angel, Susan Boyle. She was yeah, well,
Susan Boyle. Susan Boyle, where is she now?

Speaker 9 (30:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
You're still put in our albums.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Susan Boyle.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Oh, Susan Boyle, Voice of an Angel, Voice of an Angel.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I don't know if she was starved at oxygen at birth.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
But we don't know there's effect.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Her lungs and vocal chords were not affected by any
oxygen starvation.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Key was those teas coming through on nine two nine two.
We're got to play some messages, but plenty more of
your text to get to it is thirteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
News Talks B News Talks there B. It is eleven
to two. We're talking about Paul Henry, a candidate for
the ACT Party. Would that make you consider voting for ACT?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
I like Paul henry S's text to Brahim A bit
concerned about the number of recycled males being put up
for a lectured Michael Laws and Stuart Nash with a
New Zealand first, and now Paul Henry for ACT. Would
be nice to see some fresh blood coming through. I
like the term recycled males.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Now, that is a good line, very good line. The
six says, Okay, guys, I watch and watch and rewatch
all of those mortally offensive Paul Henry moments on YouTube
and honestly laugh till I cry he's the most hilarious
guy in the country and he couldn't give a flying
dam about the soft woke piec rubbish that is unfortunately
still on the rise. He just states things for how
they actually are with and hilarious. Take all power to him.

(32:13):
That's from Mark.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Hi, guys, I can see Hosking in his later life
after z B being a member of the Labor Party,
can y Yeah, okay, right with bringing in a sweeping
left agender.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
I'll take that bet.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I think when Mike Hosking decides to stop broadcasting that
I can have mentioned that that might be the lastest
fear for him.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think he'd be gone.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think he'd be tending to citrus.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, he'll be locked in his medicana orchard
and you'll never see him again. And this one says, guys,
I think Paul Henry's latest TV gig may have been
the reality series Traders. Hopefully Winston Peters will be reminded
of this on a regular basis. He would be a
welcome addition to Parliament.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah. Well, as I said before, I was on the
TV show Traders, and you loked and mentioned with Paul
Henry for quite some time, and I blame him for
my failure on that show because he was supplying free
alcohol at the bar.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
There.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
So, as I was saying before, I ended up going
to the conclave, so steamed at the end of the
night with my hood on to murder people. I couldn't
even remember who was on the show?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Was it tasty?

Speaker 19 (33:17):
Gin?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I nearly murdered myself at one point. I don't know
what was going on. Yeah, Jin, I was having a
lot of G and t's nice, a lot of reds
going down beautiful. Yeah, what a show. Yeah, I don't
understand your line of reasoning, Matt Heath. What on earth
has a yacht and a house in Palm Springs got
to do with how you can do the job? I
guess why I was saying that Cindy was being a

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politician has quite a grind. It's a lot of reading,
it's a lot of hard work. In recent times. The
Paul Henry, we know he's been a bit of a
globe trotter. He's he's seen, you know, and look, I
haven't been following him day in day out. It seems
to come into the country, do a bit of a show,
be on the TV and z board, maybe in Palm
Springs a little bit. Sometimes you see him trying to

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sell his yacht.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
He's so sure about it. He regularly does interviews on
his yacht and near Palm Springs.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So he doesn't give off the bokash, you know, policy
wonk vibes that that you might you might expect for
someone going into into parliament. That that's why I raise it. Cindy, Yeah,
I appreciate your text. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Morris?

Speaker 20 (34:25):
What's your Well, I'm a new Zella first thing, and
I meet yesterday with Simon Court and Matthew Hogart and
I'll tell you they all most had me to vote for.

Speaker 21 (34:39):
That's how good those two are. They are everything I
want and a politician. But this year is the reason
why I won't vote for it because I don't mate Paul.
I'm not a great fan of David Tymour. And I
explained to them why and they said, oh, yep, we
understand that. And Paul Henry's another one. You know, he's
always right, he's never wrong, ever going to be wrong,
and he's not right.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
So Court and Hagett had you yesterday, but today Henry's
lost you.

Speaker 22 (35:05):
Oh yeah, well, I I said to say, why I
don't vote you is because you leave is not really
my cup of tea, right, you know? And they understand
that you're going to vote for I said, I'll vote
for New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
How hard to talk and hogot work for your vote? Morris?

Speaker 21 (35:19):
Oh, very very hard, thirty five minutes just talking to me.
That that is hard work.

Speaker 22 (35:24):
They put up with me for thirty five minutes.

Speaker 21 (35:28):
And I can assure you those two gentlemen are an
alleged intellectual politicians. It's what I want to be, hard working,
big and blokes. I shall vote for that.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
So that what was that at the Riverhead tavern?

Speaker 21 (35:44):
No, that was Mounting Coffee Shop just across the road.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah again on you Morris.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, so he's a fan of Haget and Court for
not Seymour and Henry.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Doesn't take much to change Morris's mind on that, doesn't Karen?
What do you reckon?

Speaker 19 (36:02):
Oh? Good?

Speaker 23 (36:03):
After bose of you, Hi, I'll be quick. I'm actually
quite delighted. It's throwing a cat in amongks the pigeons.
So it's gonna do the political campaigning, aren't going to
take it on such a different turn.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Oh, good on you, Karen. We've we've got a rush.
But Karen very positive about it.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
A cat among the pigeons. Couple of texts before we've
got to wrap this up because the news isn't too
far away. This textas says, get a guys, why does
personality matter? I think he brings humor to such a
great area that is politics. I think he will makes
some sensible policies, just saying, but is personality that much

(36:50):
of a drive for people? I'm going to say, yeah, absolutely,
a lot of people vote on personality if they like
someone in politics.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
A Tayler geography lesson for you. Palm Springs is nowhere
near the ocean for Paul's yacht.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
How many flies from Palm Springs to his yacht I mentioned?
I mean you're capable of people are capable of traveling
via aircraft?

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yes, yeah, I did know it was in a desert. Yeah,
but thank you very much for that text and this
one yiday. Guys, I'm all for these high profile characters
appearing on party lists, especially Paul Henry. If they wind
people up and Parliament becomes more colorful and edgy, then
the outcomers, more people are engaged with the political process.
Can't be bad, Lindsey.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
This person, however, says Paul Henry, is interested in one thing,
and that's Paul Henry. He will be ax version of
Shane Jones, a man with no filter. Well, i'll tell
you what it's fired up.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
The text machine certainly has Thank you very much everyone
who teakes through, and I gave us a call. It's
certainly going to be an interesting addition ahead of the election.
Right coming up after two o'clock in New Zealand primary
school with scrapped iPads and returned to pen and paper learning,
with Start saying the shift has improved students focus, engagement
and basic skills like handwriting and spelling. So we want

(38:00):
to have a chat to you. If you're a parent,
how are your children's handwriting and spelling skills, particularly at
the early age. One hundred and eighteen eighty is the
number to call it. Nine two ninety two is the text.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
And her here is Suzanne Boyle, who may or may
not have been styled of auction at Perth.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
As you said, though an angel, beautiful voice, lovely news
is next.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Doing?

Speaker 11 (38:30):
Now you sign.

Speaker 24 (38:37):
Sure sweeping.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
All roasty, the big stories, the big issues, the big
trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talk said the.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Welcome back into the program. It is seven past too,
and great to have your company. As always, after three.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Pm, we're going to talk about Sam Neil because of
course he passed away at seventy eight. Just a fantastic
actor and human being across so many years since he,
I guess jumped into the spotlight with Sleeping Dogs, which
is a fantastic New Zealand movie kind of the first
New Zealand feature film on the on the scale of

(39:38):
you know, like people were amazed when that film came
out that New Zealand could make a film that's such
a feature film. So yeah, after three three would like
to your memories of Sam Neil what you you know,
discussed as legacy and you know in the interactions yet
with them, but not now, not now, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Now we're going to be talking about handwriting. So this
is after a primary school that was an early adapter
of iPad's adopter, I should say, in class that stitched
the technology, returning to pen and paper for its youngest students,
so at the start of the year or Marta School
in New Plymouth packed the iPads away for years one
to four. It started off as a one term trial,
but the school has decided to stick with it until

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the end of the year and then reassess. Or MARTA's
school principal Karen Brisco says she read research about the
impact of screens on young developing minds and it started
to ring alarm bells about the use of the iPads
at the school. She said, I kept thinking, I wonder
if we should give them a rest and see how
it goes, because the research was so concerning around the
type of learning and the depth of learning that children
do on screens. She went on to say, it seems

(40:39):
that the screens the activities that they do are not
lighting up the learning pathways as strongly as when they
are hands on and actually writing the work. So that's
what we want to have a chat about. When it
comes to handwriting, this particular school has carried on with
ditching the iPads, but is it still important to have
good handwriting or is it not as useful as it

(41:00):
once was.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's sort of a wider question, isn't it, Because we
always thought for the longest time, we need to get
kids digital sevity as soon as possible, right, We thought
that was the future and how they go to interact
with the economy. But it seems like it is stopping
their brains from developing as fast as they should. Yes,
and things, I mean, particularly AI. There is you know,
there's a lot of push overseas now for kids not
to engage with AI right through school because it's making

(41:24):
them dumber, yep. Whereas you can quickly work out how
to use AI if you should ever need AI. I
mean that the learning curve and to get into AI
is about thirty seconds. It's not much, I mean, and
you know we can go into the value of that,
but I mean that goes right back to handwriting, right,
So if you never use hand if you never learn

(41:47):
handwriting when you're little, and you just you just iPad
and and keyboard, you know, is there's that a big loss?

Speaker 3 (41:56):
You take it for granted, don't you. I'm not a
great handwriter myself, and I never was through school, but
the very fact that I can do it, I mean,
you've seen my writing when I've tried to check your
note and you've had to try and figure out what
I'm trying to say there. It is a shock.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
We were at a cafe this morning having a coffee
and this note blue past and I picked it up
and it was.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Just insane stuff because like the scribblings of an insane person. Yeah,
it's something that you see.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I says, I says to Tyler. Look at this, at
these scribblings of a madman. He said, thank you. That's
my notes for the show.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
I need that. Yeah, it's for my diary. Yeah, But
I mean the very fact that I can do it
when I need it, Because I was just looking at
this and thinking, no, I don't actually think handwriting is
as useful as it used to be. And I think
kids can do a whole lot of stuff on their devices,
maybe not young kids, but certainly older kids. When it
comes to trying to write things out, it's a whole
lot easier than it is now. But you still need

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the elements of handwriting, right surely in many parts of
your life if there's not a computer, or most people
have got their phones on them, and I do a
lot of writing on the phone, but I still think
there is an element there that if you've got kids
on iPads, at years one to five, and they're not
learning how to write their own name, they're not learning
how to put pin to paper. Is that going to
be detrimental later in life?

Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I think I think just have used a pen and
paper for a while. Just just learn to do that,
because you're just sort of holding on to it just
you know you can. I guess it's an interesting one,
isn't it, Because you maybe want them to learn them
to touch type. Maybe that'll be an advantage some point.
But look, look at this text we've just got through here.

(43:28):
Hey Siri text nine nine two. That's from Tim. So
he's obviously driving Tom and.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
You've set her off. Yeah, you've set her off.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I've just done that to a lot of people listening.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, there'll be a lot of people driving right now.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
The point is Tim is not even using is he's
not even using as keep ad. Yeah, he's just trying
to voice voice message and unfortunately what's come through as
the instruction to start a voice message. But I mean
maybe that's the other side of it, the handwriting. Get
rid of it. We don't need it. People are just

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going able to speak to texts and you're just wasting
kids time.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, what do you say? I wait, hundred eighty ten
eighty does handwriting really matter for children? In twenty twenty six?
What do you say? Nine two ninety two is the
text number and I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call it? Twelve pas two.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons
call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk, sai'd be?

Speaker 3 (44:30):
It is quarter past two? How important is it to
have good handwriting for children? In twenty twenty six? To
tell us I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. A couple
of texts coming through on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Guys, could you please refrain from saying hey, Siri because
my sury keeps wanting to message you when you say it.
See if you hadn't text that, and I want to
sip again?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a couple of coming through as well.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I'm not going to read them all.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Please repeat it, Please repeat it.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
That'd be too cruel. Okay, apologies for that, Mac.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
What's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 7 (45:00):
Hey?

Speaker 25 (45:00):
How are we going?

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Guys?

Speaker 25 (45:01):
I had your siriy issue going on as well. I mean,
I've got two sides on it, so well, same answer
for both of them. I've got two young daughters who
I worry about where they're going. They both do well
with their handwriting, but spend a lot of time it's
doing their schoolwork on chromebooks and laptops and iPads. And

(45:23):
I also run a workshop where we've got young guys
coming in as apprentices, and they have just spent so
little time. I think, like they can read and write,
but they spent so little time doing it that you
ask them. I mean, we'll be looking for something through

(45:44):
a service manual, for example, where you need to look
for JA, and they need to sit there and rather
than just go, okay, well what's what's before day or
after day and we can scroll down to about there,
they do it on their fingers A, B, C, D
E F G H J I, Okay, we're looking for I.
That's the page we are the wonderful Yeah. And that's
how they sort of do it.

Speaker 11 (46:06):
And it's sort.

Speaker 25 (46:08):
Of yeah that and I mean, they're not stupid by
any means, clever people, but I just don't think they've
spent never, never had to look through books. And obviously
you're not going to look through an encyclopedia like some
of us did at school and indexes and things like that.
But yeah, I just think, yeah, some of it is
very important, and lots of industries probably don't use handwriting

(46:30):
so much. But I mean, yeah, I don't think it's
just the handwriting you lose. You just lose a little
bit of reading, understanding, comprehending ability by not utilizing it.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
I think there's been some research done that and I
need to look it up. But the obviously spell check
on word and a lot of kids and teenagers and
I look, I use it myself, of course, but that
ability to not have to think about how to spell
a word has had tapped fromental effects that for younger
generations as soon as that came through and you realized
I need to get it roughly right and then spell

(47:02):
checker will figure it out for me.

Speaker 25 (47:04):
Yeah, oh absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I mean, as do you think that's starting to happen
with some of these you know, kids are getting iPads
too young and not handwriting. That's a similar thing that
you happen it, is it?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (47:14):
I think so, as I do worry, Yeah, I mean
I try to make sure my kids are doing the
best they can, and I sort of try and try
and get some reading in and all those things, but
I just feel there's a lot of time, Like even
doing all of their assignments. None of it's handwritten. It's
all I mean, we used to type things up as kids,
but everything we'd handwrite it all first and then type

(47:34):
it up. It's to look pretty not not because that
was what you did. It was, yeah, whereas they're doing
everything and that, like you say, the spell check and
the information available to them. I don't know who's Someone
said to me at some point when we're talking about
this sort of thing that a long time ago they

(47:54):
said that there were lots of stupid people because they
generally didn't have access to information, and so it was
it was by class, so to speak. But now anyone
can access all the information in the world, and we
seem to have stupid people. That makes yeah, if that
makes sense, are you sort of yeah, yeah. There would
have been a time where, you know, when I was

(48:16):
a child, to do something, I had to go around
to my friend's house who had all the encyclopedia set
because they were ahead all of those, you know, I
had to go to the library. The information wasn't snap,
snap right there, and but now I feel like you
can access any information you like any time of the day,
and the general public we deal with and our people

(48:36):
we see coming through, just the common sens has gone
because they don't need to think about anything everything.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
You don't need to hold any you don't need to
hold information.

Speaker 25 (48:45):
No, no, you don't need that's probably a good wedding
of it.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
And as a result, arguably, because if you're holding a
lot of different information and facts and you're making different
connections to them, and you might get more original ideas
coming out. But if you just if you arguably leave
your brain pretty much blank and look up things as
you need to know them, then those connections aren't aren't
being made all the time, and as a result, you
become less creative.

Speaker 25 (49:08):
Yeah, so be like, yeah, like having no books at
home and then you just go get the one book
out that you want and then take it back to
the library. So yeah, you've got no information at home.
It's that your brain's empty. Now you've gone taken it
all out, just got what you need, what you need
for what you're doing right to split second, and then
it's gone, which surely I mean I'm I'm not a

(49:30):
doctor by any means, but that neurological part. The more
you don't use it, it must deteriorate or it must
not evolve as well as as that could.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
When they talk about when you want to remember something,
it's learning it and then remembering it and then remembering
it again, if you see what I'm saying. So if
you just read it once to deliver it, then that
hasn't gone in. But if you understand it and then
repeat it, it's the it's the learning it once and
the memory of it doubles down your ability to recall

(50:02):
it in future. Yeah, So you need to read something,
understand it, and then remember it.

Speaker 25 (50:10):
Yeah, and I think that that does show up in
our industry with some of that. We have to calculate
some things and so you know instant things, you know,
six times five thirty and it all just bang, pang bang,
whereas they just look at you blank.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
How do you know that?

Speaker 25 (50:23):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not a magician by any means,
but yeah, that simple times tables that should be most
most people should just be able to recall that off
the tange up to ten twelve or take. But yeah,
it's none of it's in there because I've never had
to retain that information.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I guess it's interesting though. I mean, you know, I
was at primary school a long time ago and I
was one of those people that thought there's a special
type of P called an al amenop. And I think
I was seven when I asked the teacher what's the
difference between a normal P and an almenop? Right?

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Okay, I thought.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
That's fair enough. I'm not gonna laugh at kidnap.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
He thought I.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Wasn't weird that there was letters l M in and
oh it's a great name. I hadn't noticed that they
hadn't been been brought up in THEP. Yeah, and the
well the mother of my children was the bass player
in element EP Great Bend but coincidentally later on in life.
But I was humiliated at Malory Hill Primary School when
I asked what an lmnop was. They kind of slam
through that part of the song, though, don't they Yeah,

(51:23):
lamnop l amnop Yeah anyway, okay during and they still
do lines at school, just just quickly, you know, when
you get into trouble and they make you do lines
like I will not throw rotten apples at the care
take it over and over and over again. I hope
they're not doing lines at school.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, yeah, nine nine two is the text and one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Number of call.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Do you think handwriting is important in twenty twenty six?
Tell us it is twenty two past two.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons used talk,
said B. Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty on used talk, said B.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Twenty four past two. So how important is hand writing
for children in twenty twenty six? Thisss is after a
primary school in New Zealand or march to school in
New Plymouth. They have got rid of the iPads for
primary school children aged from years one to four. It
started off as one term trial, but it has been
proven successful so they've kept it going. Part of that
is the brain development, but also they want them more

(52:27):
hands on and doing things like handwriting. So how important
is it? What do you say? Oh, one hundred and
eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
It's not just about the iPads, it's about the cost
and parents and sol appearances is incredible how much parents
are paying for after school care uniforms, iPads, camp sports,
et cetera. I mean, there's no doubt that a pen
and paper is cheaper than iPad.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, we fly through them on this show.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah. I love a pen and paper. I mean I
don't really.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Write too much apart from six figures and some arrows
on constant pages, but it's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I'm doing some great little bits of arty a little bit.
Yeahah yeah, Allen, So you know a little bit about
handwriting and how it affects the brain.

Speaker 26 (53:06):
Yes, seventy four years old, we used to hand right
all the time. And the reason they do lines. The
other guy pretty much covered my point. It activates one
part of your brain. It's the old adage if you
don't use it, you lose it. And handwriting physically doing
something with your hands. And it's one of the big
problems that I see in our schools. Boys cannot sit

(53:27):
for sex hours and do nothing just listening. They have
to be out there using their hands. And that goes
back to handwriting as well. You know, they've physically got
to be doing something and I can't remember it. Wid
you have to look it up, but it does activate
certain chemicals in the brain. And the whole thing is
connected handwriting through to your arm muscle and up through

(53:48):
your stem. You you know, your cord X into your
brain and it activates that side of it.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, you're Sarah Beellum and your your premotor cortex because
if you're if you're writing, you know, you like typing.
It still uses those sort of motor regions, but you're
pressing similar keys and repeatedly, and so you actually get
quite you get very little movement and sensory feedback. I

(54:13):
think this is what you're talking about, Allen. And there
was a study that found handwriting it produces just a
much broader connectivity across you know, your your you're central
and and like sort of a much more varied amount
of brain regions. And that's actually and when this happens,
it's associated with the tension, memory and learning right more

(54:34):
so than using your fingers, because more parts of your
brain are being used. You know, your reactions to precision,
your control, and those things are important across a lot
of things in life. So you may just be writing
down these words, but your brain is much more engaged
across a number of regions of the brain, and that's
why they think it's it has it's it's bigger for

(54:58):
the development of the brain. But it also is good
for attention as well because because children are involved in
both learning and there's a physical aspect to it as well.
If you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 21 (55:09):
Yeah, it is held long. Thanks guys, great show.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Good on you allen, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
So that's the the board, the hell of it a
matter of that.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
That's good stuff mate, You're on the same page, I think.
So that's the comprehension part right.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Hopefully no one was writing down, but it might have
been inaccurate. But is that HARKing back?

Speaker 3 (55:25):
So you know, back and back in my high school days,
the teacher would write something on the board and then
make all of us write the exact same thing. So
that's what you're talking about there, right, comprehension rather than
typing it out on a keyboard. The very fact that
he said, right, see you up on the board, I
need you to write that out exactly the same way
that I've written it out. Yeah, what he's saying there
is the very fact that we all had to write
it out and it was punishing at the time.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, but you remember it a lot easier. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
But I just have.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
A history teacher that you just write out everything, and
you'd write it out, and I think it was the
worst class because there was never any conversation about it, right, Yeah,
So and I thought, why don't you just print it
out and give it to us and then you go
to university and then you can get these print outs. Right,
But there is something in writing it down, yeah, that

(56:09):
and more so than writing it down with a keyboard.
It is interesting, hasn't it. It's easy to remember it
back yet. So it's kind of like everyone went, that's stupid,
the writing it out, that's pointless, that's learning, that's rubbish,
you know, just writing it down. Why do we bother?
We can just give them a print out. But it
turned out just reading the print own isn't as good
as just sitting there writing. Yeah, and also makes you
less engaged in the class because you're not actually doing

(56:31):
anything physical. Yeah, it's very interesting. Some of the teaching,
you know, principles of teaching we had that we threw
out were actually you know, time on it and we're
actually working.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Yeah, yes, spot on, oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. What do you say
on this is handwriting still as important today as it
was in previous decades when it comes to children. Nine
two ninety two is the text. Headlines are coming up.
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Speaker 3 (58:13):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Really certainly has been the fifth will Cup. Cup has
been incredible. The stadiums just phenomenal stadiums in North America.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Oh, the hype and the vibe and the excitement. And
I've got a couple of mates over there at the moment,
a couple of British guys. They have in the time
of their life. They've been to Atlanta, Miami, they were
in Austin, Texas. They are Yeah, they are just living
the dream right now.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
They'll be in Atlanta, weren't they for the game on Thursday.
They will be with their British blokes. Yep, absolutely, the game,
the English versus Argentina Thursday morning. Woo woo, bring it on, Yeah, yeah,
go Engle And but Simpson wrote lines and look how
he turned out. Yeah, it's truely. They didn't really didn't
really help him too much. When I was a kids,

(59:01):
my dad's got terrible handwriting. Okay, it's terrible handwriting, yep. Right,
and no, it's kind of strange, it's hard to describe
it really wavy. But I was at primary school and
he not wavy.

Speaker 27 (59:13):
I was.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
It was very it's very rigid. But my dad was
called to school and my mum and me after school
and there was a big issue, and the principal put
these notes for asking for time off school for me
and why I had been absent on the table and said,
your son has been fueled. This is when I was nine.

(59:34):
Your son has been forging your signature to get off school.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Right, and rumbled maybe, and.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
It had my dad C. J. Heath, which is my
dad's name, And my dad said, what are you talking about?
And it was his hand running. But they thought its
end running was so bad that they thought that I
had been forging his letters.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Oh that is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
They couldn't believe. They couldn't believe that that was written
by a parent. And so he's sitting in the class,
going in this room and it takes ages to work
it out, and I'm petrified because I'm like, I haven't
been faking no.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Yeah, what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
And then he got quote. He got quite grumpy. It
was like, this is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Idiots, that's my handwriting. I wrote that as an adult.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
What did the teachers? The teacher would have gone bright red.
It was the principal and yeah, so basically that called
called him telling me childlike handwriting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Oh there's a great story today, Sarah.

Speaker 18 (01:00:29):
H Yeah, Hi, Hi, Hey.

Speaker 11 (01:00:32):
My experience is.

Speaker 28 (01:00:35):
Eighteen years in adult education, specifically lit numeracy, and the
last year I've been working in a PTE, working with
youth that don't have Level one, that have disengaged from
education for various reasons, bullying in educational reasons, how you know,

(01:00:55):
not bullying, being bullied, being bullied. Lots of different variety
of kids, and one thing I found is that they're
not really interested in writing. They you know, I just
have to build the skills through activities and engagement and
they oh my hands soaw, miss oh.

Speaker 11 (01:01:16):
I can't do it.

Speaker 28 (01:01:17):
Oh I'm not interested. You know that They that they
love being on devices, and I'm like I had to
question it too, Like writing the way.

Speaker 18 (01:01:26):
Of the future.

Speaker 28 (01:01:27):
Do they need it?

Speaker 12 (01:01:28):
You know?

Speaker 28 (01:01:28):
Am I pushing something up perll that you know is
not the way of the future. But to not have
the skill is the alarming thing, you know, not to
be able to do it. So I was really conflicted
by how their attitude was towards it, but also the
need to be able to handwrite, to write a shopping list,
or to fill in a form, but even a lot

(01:01:49):
of that can be online. So it was a real
dilemma for me. I must say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
So with these kids, if you were giving them the
task and they were allowed to use a device to
do it, would they be engaged? That's not that yeah,
so more more engaged than have yet.

Speaker 28 (01:02:04):
Hand Yeah, the girls were more engaged with their and
the boys more engaged with the numeracy. They were really fantastic, heated,
and both of them had their strengths. But it was
definitely girls more engaged in writing than the boys. The
boys were not interested, and one boy I had just
to look engaged. He just scribbled along the lines. When
I saw his work later, I was broke my heart.

(01:02:25):
He was just scribbling into a book. He was not
interested at all. But not only not interested, he he
just needed a lot of love. Really, they all just
needed a lot of love. That's what I came down
to for me, just re engagement back to education. They
needed to be loved back in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
So did you find out because we were talking about
these brain studies that have found that, you know, you know,
writing handwriting was activated brain regions associated with the tension,
memory and learning, as well as precision and control. So
whilst they may not use it in the future, and

(01:03:04):
you know, even like you talk about filling out forms,
we don't even have to do that too, and departure
cards leaving the country anymore, you know, they're getting rid
of forms. But is that your experience? Do you think
that you've seen that it has you know, benefits outside
of just being able to write, that it has benefits
in terms of all those brain other parts of the brain.

Speaker 18 (01:03:25):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 28 (01:03:26):
And that's a skill and it's a real It makes
it a hardship when you can't do it and you
and it's required of you, you know, and suddenly you
have to do it and you can't do it. You know,
it's it's an extra skill that's of great value.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Do you think devices are playing a part in that?

Speaker 28 (01:03:43):
Sarah, massively, absolutely massively. They much prefer the entertainment on
the eyes that they get from a device.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
But I mean that's a problem for you, isn't it,
Because you're trying to deal with kids that have already
had problems and you just want to get them to
do something. So you've also got to get them over
the hump of doing anything at all and trying to
make their lives better for the problems they've been in,
and then on top of that telling them to get
off of digital wise, it's a lot.

Speaker 28 (01:04:10):
Yeah, So it's making the environment welcoming for me, you know,
and you know, I know that it's a numbers game,
but to be excited when they walk in the door,
you know that this is an environment that's going to
be encouraging for you, and you're just going to make
them progress for your next step. And i'd tell them,
you know, I'm just a little pathway to your future
and just make the most of your time here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Oh, you sound like a great teacher, Sarah. Thank you
so much for ringing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah, thank you, you have a great afternoon.

Speaker 21 (01:04:35):
Love the topic, thank you, but thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty So what's
your thoughts on that. Is handwriting still as important today
as it was in previous decades for children nineteen ninet
two centext.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Hey guys, says JB. Anytime I need to remember something,
I write it down on a note. I might not
even look at the note, but I will retain the information.
You need readable handwriting to be able to read that
note in case you need to refer back to it. Yeah,
So you're more likely to remember it if you write
it down than if you just write it down on

(01:05:05):
a with you know, dictate it or you know, use
a keyboard yep, So the actual physical use more part
of your brain. But you're also much more likely to
remember it if you write it down and then you
immediately try and test yourself on what you've written down,
So the memory of the stuff you've writ written down.

(01:05:26):
So you know, if you just wrote wrote it out
one hundred times, you know, wrote it out ten times,
that's not as good as writing it out once and
then trying to remember it. But they're right because you
you cement memories by the amount of times that you've
remembered them, so that strengthen the connections and your brain
to your memory by doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
It makes sense because you're testing the brain, right you
put it at a bit of appreciati rewire.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I suppose. Yeah, it's got to have other ways to
wire to that information.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Yeah, so tell us your thought so e one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. When it comes to handwriting, how
important is it for children and should they be on
devices at ages five to nine? Tell us your thoughts
nine to nine two is of text?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Well, this backs it up. Best way to study for exams.
This is text says writing down sailing points from the
classroom lessons of just reading them. Your mind wanders and
little gets remembered.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Are nicely said. It is nineteen to three, back for surely.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is seventeen
to three and we're talking about handwriting. This is after
a primary school in New Zealand or marta primary school,
New Plymouth. They decided to take away the iPads for
the year ones two four at primary school and I've
continued that on for multiple reasons. One was the brain
development concerns, but also hands on AKA handwriting has proven

(01:06:46):
to be successful. So what do you say, Bruce afternoon
to you.

Speaker 12 (01:06:50):
Good afternoon guys. Just the first thing is Australia assess
handwriting as part of a program of national assessment through
I think it's years three, five, seven and nine where
they assess literacy and umry standards at points in the
child's education, and handwriting is very much part of the

(01:07:15):
of the literacy components.

Speaker 8 (01:07:17):
And I believe that.

Speaker 12 (01:07:20):
Learning the language, writing, reading it and being able to
write it form part of a sort of if you
like the fancy word, a cognitive triangle where you see
the word, you hear the word, you write the word,
you see how it's formed. So yeah, I think you
can argue about the whether it's better to have students

(01:07:43):
on keyboards. But one thing I have noticed that when
I have come in contact with students who have been
on a keyboard, who are very you know, who are
deemed to be intelligent, but their handwriting is virtually illegible.
Fourteen year olds, they just don't have the muscles in
their hand to hold a pencil. They they don't have

(01:08:05):
those that they should have. Fine motor skill in their fingers,
but they are not they're still quite there's still quite developed,
if you know what I mean to where they should
be in our day.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
And then and then you know, as as the study
that we're talking about four, you know, reading on it
says that makes you less capable of things like soldering
or you know that there's there's actually that precision that
you learn with writing makes you make Yeah, that dexterity
is across a number of things.

Speaker 7 (01:08:37):
Bruce, mmmmm, yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 12 (01:08:40):
And when when you when you when you mentioned handwriting,
I just thought of the company post it Notes, which
are a huge, multi billion dollar company. They rely on
people being able to handwrite, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Well, yeah, I mean like you you know, an iPad's
ally awund the keyboard, but there's a pen or a
pencil is a very handy, doesn't need any power, very
small thing that yeah, personally that you can use anytime
you just want to make a note. Yeah, that's pretty
pretty handy thing to be able to do.

Speaker 12 (01:09:13):
Yeah, and when you when you write a post it
note to someone, you can put a smiley on it.
And in the olden days, you know, handwriting is because
you used to probably send off letters but you know, now,
it's about ten words on a pink post it note
with a smiley face, and it's it's it's you know,
it's a nice thing. It's a it's a positive thing
to give to your work made or colleague. And you
know if you have got a nice handwriting it, you

(01:09:35):
know that. You know that's part of the attraction.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Yeah, well go yeah, I mean that's part of human
connection as well, wasn't it. I mean, you know, a
nice post it note with a smiley face says I
love you a lot more than just putting the iPad
in front. And see here's the grocery listen.

Speaker 20 (01:09:47):
Yeah, I'm having this for lunch.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah. The passive aggressive post it note in the French
can cause problems absolutely, thank you call the sticks. It says,
what if you're stuck on a desert islands, if you
can't write and don't have an iPad, how do you
write help in the sand? Not that an iPad would
have helped, Yeah, I mean if you did have an iPad.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Yeah, just write help on your iPad. It's pretty small.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Put it down on the put it down on the sand.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Bruce seks for your call, Tid, what's your thoughts on this.

Speaker 7 (01:10:18):
Yeah, Hi guys, I'm an employment consultant, and one of
the really important things for clients when they are doing
job applications or filling out forms for the employer, they
have to know how to write, write with a pen, right,

(01:10:42):
with a pen. And some of them that I've work with,
they can't even do a signature, right, And I'm having
to help them develop a signature so that they can
fill out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Forms right, and so would they be able to write
with a keyboard but they can't write with a pen yep, their.

Speaker 7 (01:11:06):
Total alliances are on the bhones or on a keyboard.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Yeah, I mean the signature and what sort of age
are we talking ted?

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
Well, at the moment, I'm working with clients that are
between eighteen and twenty four year old, so a lot
of them they've only just recently left school. Yeah, and
this is kind of a thing that we're I've been noticing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, and so that's quite something to not have a
signature when you're you know, between eighteen and twenty four.

Speaker 7 (01:11:42):
Yeah, you know, like some of them can't even write
their own names. Man's I found that. I found that
really shocking, you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Know, and so do you and so do you run
a little bit of a course you just say, you
know you're going to need to, you know, how do
you get someone to start forming words if they've never
done it before?

Speaker 7 (01:12:01):
The pen well, we have a relationship with Literacy al
Or and they run a literacy, literacy and numery courses,
libracy courses, and I'll normally I've seen them there for

(01:12:22):
you know, well one of their courses, you know, and
you know they're designed to help them figure out how
to you know, do a signature or fill out a form.
And but I thought it was really shocking, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Yeah it is. It is absolutely shocking.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Eighteen to twenty four and they don't ever signature.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I mean, I mean when I was a kid, I
couldn't wait to have a signature.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Show me yours now just less least judge our signatures here,
So I'm going to give you the full one.

Speaker 14 (01:12:58):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
There's there's a hell of a squiggle, all right, just
the top on there all right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
See this is Donald dre Trump spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Yeah, I had to practice it for a long time.
Thank you for you called Ted Kelly, you reckon. It's
a bit of a lost art handwriting.

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
I definitely do Hi guys, great fogus afternoon. I just
remember back to primary school and I'm pretty sure handwriting,
alongside with reading and maths and things, was one of
the specific things we would do for maybe forty minutes
or an hour, and it was about having nice handwriting,

(01:13:39):
neat handwriting, writing straight on the line. And I was
quite a good handwriter when I was a kid, and
I was quite proud of that. And calligraphy was kind
of a fashionable trend at the time too. And you
look back at or even these days with elderly people

(01:14:02):
and letters, and when they write things, their writing is
so it's almost artwork.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
They used to have to get to a certain level
of accuracy before you move from pencil to pen and
then you went to curse of Is that great? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
Yeah, I think so, yeah, And I think to like
over the years, because now I'm a little bit more
like the modern world. We're relying on phones and computers,
and sometimes I'm a little bit embarrassed of my handwriting.
I'm like, oh god, you know, that's a bit of
a scribble. And you're filling out a form and you're
in a rush, or you're a.

Speaker 10 (01:14:41):
Bit nervous or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:14:43):
And I'm just like my handwriting's gone a little bit
up the creek, you know, whereas it used to be
so neat and so inform. So I definitely think whilst
it may not be as important these days, it's definitely
a skill to have. And there is that whole sort
of hand eye coordination, that whole cognitive link between the

(01:15:07):
brain thinking the writing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
I mean it's quite it's quite an accurate thing to
have to do to write between the lines and form
the letters, so you know how to form the letters
and and you know, once you get the curse of
forming them so they roll together. That that is that
that's using a lot of precision and brain power. Its spelling,
it's you know, it's control.

Speaker 6 (01:15:30):
You think it's the whole most motor control, the brain
and the handling. And I also think too, whilst again
we might be bringing in different technologies and AI and
things like that, if you want to be a cake
decorator or an engraver or yeah, something.

Speaker 27 (01:15:44):
Along those lines, if you haven't got.

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
The brain hand coordination skills to do anything like that
with precision, you're not going to succeed well in those
sorts of jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
No, absolutely, thank you for your call, Kelly. Yeah, I
remember at Maori Hill Primary School that I went to
my mate Bryce Williams. We're having to do very neat
writing and he got rumbled for using the side of
a pencil sharpener to get his letters exactly right. And
he got like he got heaps of trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
I bet he did. I think got hell bat for
laborious though I know it takes a long time. Yeah, yeah,
but dirty Bryce, you should know better. What was he
trying to did he have as we hand over it?
Just trying to hide.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Because get the real state lines. You went from straight
up and down to slope and he was having trouble
with slopes, so he was making exact writing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Yeah, and he got he got rumbled.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
We got in trouble there, Bryce Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Right, give us a buzz one hundred and eighty ten
eighty when we come back, maybe we'll have time to
have a check with Greek he reckons. It's a bit
of an issue in the trades. It is six minutes
to three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
News talks there be. It is four to two three.
Thank you very much to everyone who gave us a
buzz and tikes through on the handwriting. Really enjoyed that hour.
But coming up after three o'clock, of course, the sad,
shocking news Sir sam Neil has died aged seventy eight,
leaving a five decade legacy of iconic roles and on
screen appearance appearances. So tell us your memories of Sir

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sam Neil, your interactions with the great man, your favorite performances. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call a nine two nine two is the text that
is coming up just after the news which is next.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
The big stories, the leaker issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
A very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program.
It is seven past three. So Sir sam Neil's death,
which was announced last night, has prompted an outpouring of
tributes from around the world, with fellow actors, filmmakers, politicians
and fans remembering him as one of New Zealand's greatest
cultural exports. He enjoyed a stellar career spanning more than
five decades, with acclaimed performances in films such as The Piano,

(01:18:05):
The Hunt for Red, October Dead, Calm, Jurassic Park, and
so many more. Tributes have focused not only on his talent,
but also on his warmth, humor, and humility. New Zealand
leaders and industry figures praise Neil for helping put the
country's film industry on the world stage, while Hollywood stars
including Steven Spielberg, Nicole Kidman, Kelly and Murphy, Alec Baldwin

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and many others remembered him as a gifted performer and
a much loved friend.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Yeah, so e T. One hundred and eighty ten eighty
We just like to talk about his legacy. Really, you
know what he means to you as a New Zealander
or a fan of film and television, and if you
had any interactions with him, because New Zealand is a
small place it is, and these global superstars, these global
stars like Sam Neil that spent a lot of time

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at home, have a lot of interactions with people. So, yeah,
just your thoughts on Sam Neil. I mean, he was
he was a global star. You could argue that he
went a very very well known actor, and so much
of his career was Hollywood based, but he was always
coming home and he was always willing to appear in small,
low budget New Zealand productions. Yes, if he was if

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he believed him and the script was good enough. As
I was saying before in the show, we reached out
to him to appear on a TV show we were
making called Back of the Way Masterpiece television way back
in the day, the first TV show ever made with
my high school buddies, and Sam Neil was like, yep,
I'll be in that. And he just turned up for free.
That is a measure of a man. Yeah. Yeah, And look,
he never really planned to become an actor, Sam Neil,

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but you know, he always thought that he'd work behind
behind the camera. But he was just so good looking,
wasn't he He was, and so naturally good on screen
that he almost fell into it. Yeah. I believe then,
because it was there was Sleeping Dogs, which basically launched
modern New Zealand cinema, a full feature film like we'd
never made in New Zealand before, directed by Roger Donaldson

(01:20:00):
and starring Sam Neil. And from then it was just
on wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
I guess most people in the world would would Well,
he'll always be doctor Allen Grant from the Jurassic Park films.
I believe he was in three of them. He was
in the original.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
East One of course, an iconic character, but he just
kept turning.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Up in great movies and television shows for his just forever.
He never stopped, did he, No, Because you know, you
got the piano, obviously, you got big can't peaky blinders.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
That was huge, yep, yeah, Kelly and Murphy of course.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yeah, yeah, And it was just sort of he was
I mean, surely he's, as you said, Tyler, one of
our greatest cultural exports. But he was sort of an
international star that he was so incredibly grounded, wasn't he
he was? Yeah, yeah, So it was sort of like
the I don't know, it's just huge body of work,

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but always coming home to be to New Zealand to
make wine and hang out with livestock. Basically this way
to describe him makes you proud as a key. And
they love him in Australia, Oh my goodness. He made
so many films in Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Yeah, got a lot of good friends over there. So,
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Nine two nine two is the text number
loved to hear if you've ever had an interaction with
Sam Neil, or he influenced you to get into the
film industry, become an actor, or he just influenced you
in life, your favorite movies, tell us, oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It is
ten past three. Will be back very shortly. He's talk

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said be thirteen past three, and we are talking about
the shocking and unexpected death of Sir Sam Neil last night.
So your memories if you've had any interactions with sir Sam,
we want to hear from you on oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty what did he mean to you? As
a key?

Speaker 17 (01:21:39):
We?

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
And was he our greatest actor of all time? Certainly
on the international stage, he's been incredibly successful. I mean,
I'm just trying to rack my brain on another New
Zealand actor. And we've got some phenomenal actors who have
done incredibly well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
You got Russell Crowe, you got a russ Yeah, he's
right up there, a big superstar. But he's definitely sees
himself more as of Australian than in New Zealander. Yes, yeah,
you got Carliban, yep, great actor. He's out there and
doing very very well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Any Star, Yes, the Boys of course, Yeah, well both
of them were in The Boys.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
But I mean in terms of longevity from nineteen seventy
seven to the present day. I mean, when Sir sam
Neil passed, he was involved in, like, you know, several
active projects. Yes, right, yeah, so I just kept getting
cast in things this whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Yeah. So, there have, of course been so many of
his performances that have been celebrated over the past day.
But here he is in a terrifying turn. Is doctor
William Ware in nineteen ninety seven's event Horizon where.

Speaker 29 (01:22:40):
We are going, We won't need eyes to say, what
are you talking about? I created the event to race
and to reach the stars. But she's got much much
further than that. She tore a hole in our universe
get way to another dimension, that dimension of pure chaos,

(01:23:05):
pure Ever, when she crossed over, she was just a shepard.
When she came back, she was alone.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Oh man, that movie's freaking, terrifying, terrifying event. It was
like basically a haunted House in space where some scientists
played by Sam Neils, doctor William, doctor William Something, doctor
William Ware, doctor William h has basically found a space

(01:23:36):
drive that's opened up Hell.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
As a villiant villain though I mean, correct me if
I'm wrong, but he was. It was leading man. But
that would have been one of his first turns as
a terrifying villain. And that was I mean, was that
unusual for him to take on a role like that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Well, he was, you know, he had been Damian Omen
by then, he was Omen, the third Omen. It was
a fantastic, fantastic role for a key to get. Absolutely
but yeah, that representation of Hell when that that fast
cut and event horizon, Yeah, quite terrifying. What a movie.
Quite terrifying. Colleen, Welcome to the show. You're calling for Australia,

(01:24:10):
Yes I am.

Speaker 16 (01:24:11):
And.

Speaker 18 (01:24:13):
On the weather I'm actually sitting on.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
The beach at surface Lovely Haw's the reaction to Seminel's
passing being in Australia because he made a lot of stuff.

Speaker 30 (01:24:25):
Yes, yeah, Channel nine had a big bit about it
last night and I went into what you call them
given E eleven or something, and you're on the front
page of all the newspapers, so they sort of probably
want to claim like they do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Yeah, yeah, well they can't. They can't. Ausies can't claim
our stair, you know. I mean, I know Ireland putting
the end up and saying he's slightly ours as well,
but you know he's mostly key we throw and through,
isn't he?

Speaker 28 (01:25:00):
Oh he is?

Speaker 18 (01:25:01):
Yes, yeah, Fish in the Piano.

Speaker 28 (01:25:04):
Yeah yeah, well you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
You enjoy the sun there, Colleen, and thank you so
much for your call. So what was your favorite Sam
Neil movie?

Speaker 30 (01:25:16):
I think The Piano and I loved him and Picky Blind.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, there he was. He was
Irish and that wasn't he was? Yeah, returning back to
his Irish roots. Yeah, so yeah. I mean one of
the reasons why the Australians love him so much because
you got my brilliant career, Evil Angels Dead, Calm Death
and Brunswick the Dish. Just trying to remember all the
Australian movies made recently. Rams. Yes, he was great mates

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with Brian Brown. Yeah, so he was. He was all
over Australia, wasn't he. There's a story about Sam Neil
where he was. I've got to remember, I'll try and
remember it. But there was a reason why he ended
up leaving New Zealand and going to act in Australia,
and it was a rejection in New Zealand that made
his career.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Okay, that sounds good. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you've had an
interaction with Samuel. You've got a story, give us a buzz.
Nine ninety two is the text number as well. Grant
you've got a sam Neil story?

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
Yeah, gooday, boys, how you going. We're coming to you
from live down here from the forty fifth parallel line.
She's a back cool down around Wannica. How are you
boys doing?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
How cool? How cool?

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
At the moment it's about three degrees, but on the
way to work this morning was minus five points. Sex cool.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
This is pretty goods. I've got to make the Liz
Slope Hill near our town and he sent me through
a neggave eight, So that's that's getting there.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's not a contest. I've got a pretty
cool story actually, from way back in the day when
there was an indie station down here called qinety two FM,
and it was brought out by the Networks, but it
also bought in another pretty famous guy alongside Sam New
a guy called Garrett Tremaine who was pretty famous with

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his pen.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Yes and the cartoonists.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
That's right, and he used to feature in the ODT
until he got the d c M. It was called
Tremaine's View. So back in those days, Warren Cooper who
was he was ex Defense Minister and he also did
two mayoralties down at the Queenstone Exscrict Council. But him
and Sam didn't really see Ihai. So Warren wanted to

(01:27:21):
high rise buildings in Queenstown and Sam wanted the beautiful
pastures green. And so I said to Garret, we need
to actually make a cartoon and put it in the
ODT and call it Two Paddocks, which was the name
of Sam's winery, you see. And so he put this
cartoon in the ODT and it was Two Paddocks and
it was his two guys, Sam on the left with

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the Neil letterbox, Cooper on the right with the Cooper letterbox,
and behind Cooper was all the high rise buildings, behind
Sam with these beautiful passes green with the two gates,
and they were both leaning on their gates in typical
Kiwi fashion. It had two paddocks underneath it, so that
was it was pretty cool to get that into the ODT.
And of course we lost Garrett last year as well,
and here's another legend, and they were pretty good mates.

(01:28:04):
And Garret presented the original cartoon of that too, Salmon.
He had it in his kitchen down here in Sunny Central.
So that's kind of my story. But I did catch
up with Sam. I was involved in the commentary team
at Warburd's over Wannica in Eastern I caught up with
the n and he was he was in very good form.
So yeah, huge loss, just a massive loss actually, and

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you know we used to see him in the area
quite a bit. He'd always come and say good am
out here at the Wannaker Report. So it's a huge
loss indeed. And yeah, Australians can't claim and looking they
claim split in a credit house or Jandles or Padlova,
he's our.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Yeah, well well that is interesting, isn't that, Because of
course he was making these Hollywood movies, big budget films,
huge television series, but then always coming back to, you know,
live a very very quiet rural life down your way grunt.

Speaker 5 (01:28:53):
Yeah, and it just it's a true Heartland kivy. I
think I'd described him as that and I just loved
his like chronic and is very dry witch. He was
a very dry person. Even at Warburd's over Wanaka, he
was you know, he was his typical self. So big
loss and quite a surprise, I think to him, many
people myself included.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah, well thanks so much for bringing in Grant.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Yeah, what a great story I heard him talking about
because someone asked him whether he ever lived in the
US or Hollywood, and he said he rented in Hollywood
for about a year, had a beautiful spot in the
hills there. But you know, as Grant said, it just
wasn't for him. It was too busy, too full on,
too hectic. So he needed to come back to New Zealand.
And the fact that he was still getting off at

(01:29:34):
these major roles is a credit to him and just
how respected he was.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Dancy's event Horizon was so good. My then girlfriend walked
out of the cinema when he took his eyes out. Yeah,
that was a lot. When he took his eyes I
was yeah, yeah and Netflix untamed. Yeah, it was just
awesome and a must watch from last year. What a
loss also invasion he was making at this point. There
was another another thing he was shooting in the Philippines
recently as well. Yeah, so incredibly busy his whole life

(01:30:01):
since he took a turn towards act thing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Huge career nine two nine to two is the text number.
Keep them coming through. But we want your stories on
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What was the influence
Sir sam Neil had on yourself? And have you ever
had an interaction with them? We're keen to hear the story.
It is twenty two past three.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Tony says sam Neil was great, but all I remember
about the piano was a hush of disappointment that came
from the woman in the audience when they saw how
small Harvey Cartels downstairs.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
Was all right, okay, I'm gonna have to go check
that out. It's been one since I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Back in the moment, Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Four past three. We are talking about the past scene
of Sir sam Neil overnight. So if you have hand
any interaction with Sir sam Neil. It is a tight
knit country. We've got here two degrees of separation or
someone else you know has come into contact with Sam Neil.
We want to hear from you on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and also the influence he had on you.

(01:31:04):
Your favorite movie of Sir sam Neil. Nine two niney
two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
I'm going to butcher the story in here, okay, because
I can only remember it. I think my old co
host from Radiohodech he told me this story. That's interesting,
Sam two two different networks on the screen on the
BBC and on on Australian on our screens in the
in the room here. But yes, so I'll see if

(01:31:27):
I can get this right. So, Sam Neil, back in
the day, you used to TV and z's used to
contract actors for their various shows they used to do. Okay, yep,
so they'd be like drama productions and such, and Sam
Neil was in the mix be contracted. But a TV

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producer at the time wrote up this thing about him
and decided not to contract him because they said he
would only be good at playing gay characters, right, homosexual
characters because just the way he was, and I don't
think there was a lot of those in the nineteen
seventies in New Zealand. Pretty hard get a roll, and
so one of those roles in the story could be

(01:32:10):
butchering the story and I should do more research on it.
But this rejection was why he went to Australia and
had that huge success in Australia with all the films
he did over.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
There, right, Yeah, so maybe he didn't know about that
he was being tighte cast.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Well, I think he found out it later and this
might this story might be in his book. Yeah, we're
talking about this in front of his huge audience and
I've got no information on it. But yeah, so someone
in New Zealand saw Sam Neil and obviously you know
Roger Donaldson saw Sam Neil and thought he was amazing

(01:32:44):
and cast him and Sleeping Dogs, Yes, fantastic. But some
other executive in New Zealand saw him and thought, nah,
I can't really see him being anything, but you know,
gay characters if they come up, so we won't contract him.
And then Sam Neil's off overseas. So imagine seeing Sam Neil,
great actor, incredibly good looking, and going seeing I only

(01:33:05):
see very limited opportunities for him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
At TV and Z whatt a numb skull executive?

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to
call get a gram?

Speaker 19 (01:33:13):
Hey guys, how's it going very good?

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
So you want to ever talk about your favorite? Your
favorite film starring Susam Neil?

Speaker 6 (01:33:20):
Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:33:20):
Yeah, I think it was most underrated as well, which
was Deathan Brunswick, which he starred opposite John Clark, you know,
the infamous Fred Dagg. So he plays this chef called well,
he's a loser called Karl who lives with his mum
and gets a job in a nightclub and kills a
drug dealer. And it's just it's real black comedy, and

(01:33:45):
I just kind of thought he felt really looked more
comfortable and kind of low cut, low budget films than
he did in any Hollywood kind of you know, blockbusters
and stuff. So yeah, I think it's it's well worth
a watch if anyone's not got much to do tonight.
It's very funny, very black comedy which.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Is kind of deaths a Human. Yeah, yeah, because because
famously Sam Neil tried out for James Bond, but he
didn't really want to try out for James Bond, but
as his agent basically talked him into it and Sam Neil,
you know, talking about him not feeling comfortable in high
budget movies and he just felt totally humiliated by trying

(01:34:28):
it out. And you can actually see the footage online
of him going, you know, on Bond, James Bond. But
he had it so much I believe he fired his
agent after that. Yes, he was like this, this isn't
a path I want to take. I don't want to
be a James Bond type superstar. I want to I
want to muck around being a bunch of different types
of things and then head back to Central Targo and
hang out with my livestock.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:34:48):
I could do the dry sense of humor of a Bond,
all right, just probably not the you know so the
sex was the with the double agents and all that
sort of carry on. That's not really the scene. I
was saying one small Christmas. I thought he got a
bit Nimbia's towards the end of his career. But about
the Otago Goldmind thing, I want to get into whether

(01:35:10):
it was a good idea or not. I just think
he came across a little bit like multimillionaire owns a
vineyard and doesn't want gold mine in that yard.

Speaker 7 (01:35:18):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 19 (01:35:19):
But yeah, other than that, yeah icon.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Yeah, nice for you, Cool Graham, Thank you very much
taking your text on nine two nine two and your
calls on our one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Your
memories of Sir Sam Neil, if you've had an interaction
with him, you've come into contact or you've met him,
love to hear from you. And if you want to
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Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to two.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
We've got a text here met. You absolutely butchered that story,
so this is what they've sent through. Early in his career,
Sam Neil discovered his casting file at the New Zealand
Broadcasting Corporation, which I guess is TVNZ. The only assessment
beside his name reportedly said could be all right in
homosexual roles, could be all right, and Neil was not
offended by this but realized it meant he was unlikely

(01:37:27):
to have much of a career in New Zealand because
very few gay roles were being written at the time.
It was not necessarily a producer formally rejecting him for
pick the part. It was just industry cast net casting assessment,
and that helped convince and to pursue opportunities in Australia. Okay,
you're right, I did butcher that story, but broadly, broadly
I got it right. Yeah, yeah, you got the effects

(01:37:48):
in there could be all right in homosexual role right,
so not even the first choice.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Oh man, hey, Now people were asking about the James
Bonds audition or the screen of that sus Sam Neil
did and we've got that audio here.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Have a listen.

Speaker 29 (01:38:06):
So you're Tatiana Romanoska, my friends, Cony, Donya, my friends.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Call me Bond, James Bond, my friends can be Bond
James Bondy doesn't sound fully into it, does he No?

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
And he had a white shirt that was undone as
he was moving towards the bed with Tatiana.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
But you're quite right, he said.

Speaker 16 (01:38:26):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
It was about a decade later and a journalist asked
him about that and the quote was that was the
last time that I was bullied into doing a screen test.
My agent insisted that I go and do it, saying
it would be rude otherwise. So reluctantly I went out
to Pinewood Studios and did the silly thing for a
part that I never wanted to do. It was one
of the most mortifying times in my life, insandly for

(01:38:47):
the agent. I didn't stick with her.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
But he's you know, he was Riley as of Spies,
wasn't he. He was very handsome man. So I think
he was definitely handsome enough to be James Bond, but
just but just not his just not his vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Yeah, Alice, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
Hi?

Speaker 15 (01:39:05):
I'm good. How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Very good?

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Now You've got a great story and regards to Susanne.

Speaker 15 (01:39:10):
Yeah. So I was talking with my mum today and
I was just saying how fair it was that Sam
had passed because he was such an icon. And she
told me that my Auntie Neven wrote Start Alongside Him
and Sleeping Dogs as his wife, and I was like,
excuse me, And so I googled it and it was
my auntie and I just thought, oh, my god. My
auntie never told us about it. She did a few

(01:39:32):
films back in the seventies and then she kind of
went into production and other things, and I was just like, oh.

Speaker 10 (01:39:37):
My goodness, it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
What's her name?

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
Her name?

Speaker 15 (01:39:40):
Nevern wrote yeah, yeah, yeah, So I was like, wow,
that was incredible, Mum.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
It's been such a great film. Sleeping Dogs based on
You haven't.

Speaker 15 (01:39:49):
Even seen it, so I'm going to watch it tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Oh right, yeah, it's based on c St. Bocksmouth's stream,
but yeah, it's the idea of New Zealand. It was
quite interesting. She came out in nineteen seventy seven and
there was you know, like sort of a totalitarian government
in New Zealand and all this kind of stuff going
on that we never thought we'd see New Zealand. And
then you know, a few years later there was the
Springbok Tours, so there was you know, people marching down

(01:40:13):
the streets as well. But interesting enough, Alice, my one
of my best mates, would have played your auntie's son
because my mate came yeah, and Sleeping Dogs because my
mate Cass was the little boy that said goodbye and
he goes will you going Dad? Bye? Dad, bye Dad.

(01:40:33):
When sam Neil's characters leaving the house, which would have
been yeah, and he.

Speaker 15 (01:40:38):
Kind of mortified because Mum said that she actually left
sam Neil for Immune, the other guy in the movie.
And I'm like, wow, he's Samuels so handsome.

Speaker 7 (01:40:45):
I a story.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Yeah, that's right, all right, good boy. So within the
storyline of the movie, it makes sense. Thanks to you,
call Alice, appreciate it. Yeah, what a great story.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is and aumber to
call your interactions or if you've met Sue sam Neil,
how did it go?

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Tell us?

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
Nine to ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Guys. I saw a docco with Sam Neil on John
Clark saying he thought Deathan Brunswick was one of the
pieces of work he was most proud of. That's from Marianne.
That would have been the documentary. We had John Clark's
daughter on to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
That's right, and she had nothing but praise for the
friendship that he and Sir Sam had. They went back
along long many years. Michael, how are you? Michael?

Speaker 31 (01:41:22):
Hey, I'm really good, thank you and yourself very well.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Now you've met Sir Sam a number of times.

Speaker 31 (01:41:29):
Well, yeah, I did when I was a many years ago,
when I was a when I was to driving, he
I used to send passengers into into a cafe. Now
I'm pretty sure this is right. Basically before Joe's Garrard
became sort of Joe's Garrett at the franchise, the original

(01:41:50):
Joe's Garrard wasn't was in Queenstown, and then they opened
another one in Queenstown an arrowtown, and I'm pretty sure that,
uh that Sam had a part ownership of that cafe,
and and I used to in one sort of going
there with you know, cruising around, were going into into

(01:42:10):
our town for an hour. So I know, you to
say to people, hey, you look, everybody's a fan of
for Sam Neil. I said, you'll probably fight. You'll find
them up in this cafe. And it was the cafe
a few walks of I sort of. It was just
up in the up up in the up of the
halfway down the main street, sort of just up in
the up in the hill to overlook the street, and

(01:42:34):
there was a cafe up there, and I said, if
you shoot up there, he said, you'll either sort of
see him sort of talking to people or you might
be sort of learning some lines, or might be doing
some paperwork, or he could even be sort of behind
the bar and hat of behind the cafes that were
serving coffees and things.

Speaker 7 (01:42:48):
And yeah, and.

Speaker 31 (01:42:49):
People used to come back some big smiles on their face.

Speaker 8 (01:42:52):
I'm gold, I've just.

Speaker 31 (01:42:53):
Bet and yeah, I sort of yeah, I've met him
from quite a few times, and even sort of I
saw them in Queenstown which to reconnize each other, always
say hello to him. But yeah, sort of a number
of passengers through and you know, you know europe Americans, Canadians, English,
Australians would go in there sort of the of course,
I think it was probably the time before the cell phones.

(01:43:15):
Wordess of the mood con so you know it's all
on the older on the old film.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
It'd be pretty cool if you came to New Zealand
and you know, suddenly Dr Alan Grant from Dressic Park
makes your coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Yeah, that is what I love about this country.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
This text that says I didn't target unied summer school
paper to finish my degree involved three tastings a week
and a three day trip through central Ottaga, going to
various vineyards, including Sam's we were halfway through describing his
pino when he came chatted to us, had a few
jokes and shouted us all around, lovely man, What a
great New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Oh that's a great text. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is and number to call if you've met
Suir Sam Neil tell us about it. Our nine two
ninety two is the text as well, and we want
to hear from you about your favorite sirs. Sam film
as well, And there's a lot of texts coming through
about the wonderful Hunt for the World of People was
one of his most iconic performances. Uncle work in two

(01:44:11):
thousand and sixteen, and here is a little bit of that.

Speaker 16 (01:44:15):
Me and this fat ken we ran, we ate and
read books and it was the best.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
So good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
So that was That's about ten years old, now, wasn't it?
Because I just had another run in the theaters earlier
this year, being on twenty sixteen, it seems so recent,
but ten years. Hey, Matt and Tyler. I worked with
Sam for six years at the National Film Unit before
he was an actor. He was a very cool character,
nice guy. His best flick was The Dish, and The
Dish is such a great, great film. He had recently

(01:44:51):
endorsed a statue of Tim Schabolton and the Cagole. Cheers,
Brian Campbell, thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
For your text, keep those coming through on nine two,
nine two and oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
What were your favorites so Sam films? And if you've
met him, how did it go? Tell us it is
nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used talk, said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
It is sixteen to four and we're talking about the
late Sir Sam Neil. If you've met him, if you've
come across him, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
how did that interaction go? And if you want to
send a text nine two nine to two is that number?
Very nice text? Here getay, guys. I was skidding down
Vulcan Lane on my knees, as you do when you've
fallen over with slippery shoes, and Sam Neil picked me

(01:45:39):
up out of the gutter. I looked up and I
went a bit weak at the knees again. He was
quite the gents. That is a great text and this
one get guys, I will pass him again on Vulcan
Lane one lunch time. I was very tempted to go
back and get a photo with him, but it seemed
very un key. We he was just walking without being
bothered by anyone, so I let him be. What a
great New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Ye a, the times that I met him, he's a
bit taller than you think, Like picking him up if
you fell over on Vulcan Lane, right, he was probably,
I mean a lot of times you meet actors, was
not huge tall, but a lot of time you meet
actors and they're much shorter, Yeah, than you'd expect, but
you had have been like six to one or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Oh that's t's very charming, fella, Glenn. You had an
amusing in direction.

Speaker 9 (01:46:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:46:21):
I had a brilliant interaction with him once. A couple
of years ago Christmas Day, my partner and I were
in Auckland saying in a hotel and we went to
the lift to catch the lift down for breakfast. And
as we're waiting for a lift, another couple kind of
come up and wait beside us, and as the doors open,

(01:46:44):
there's Sam Neil staring at us, and we were like, oh,
we were just I was speechless. I just kind of
looked at my partner and she looked at me, and
we looked back at him, and he goes, are you
hopping in?

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
And we I just phrase, I just said nay, it's okay.

Speaker 27 (01:47:03):
And the doors crazed.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Oh Glen, the way he went your two stars. I
struck to jump on the left.

Speaker 8 (01:47:10):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 27 (01:47:11):
And then we went down to the breakfast level and
there he was just having breakfast by himself on Christmas Day.
Oh really yeah, yeah, And it was just unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (01:47:21):
I just couldn't.

Speaker 27 (01:47:22):
I was just like my miss was just like go
over and say hello. You know, I was like, na,
just in my lane.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
But maybe he would have liked to have.

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:47:34):
But when the when the doors open on the elevator,
there's Sam Neil steering at you like I mean, I've
seen famous people before from Afar, but not you know,
not quite like that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
Yeah, when you don't expect to see Sam Neil when
he you know, the elevator doors pope open and there's
doctor Ellen Grant. I go and get where you're coming from, Glynn.

Speaker 7 (01:47:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:47:56):
Even a couple beside us were speechless they were just
like that, Sam Neils.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
It was, Yeah, a great story, Thank you very much.

Speaker 31 (01:48:03):
Get I Dave oh Let's I'm so jealous.

Speaker 11 (01:48:08):
I saw these lucky people who had the privileges meeted
the guy I never did. But hey, there was one
movie that he did star and that nobody has mentioned
so far, not even last night in the news or
so far today, and that is The Vowel, And so he,

(01:48:28):
Channing Tatum and Rachel McAdams start alongside Sam Now. Sam
Now was a farther figure of you know, her character,
and he's a brilliant actor, right. I actually didn't like
him in that movie. He was so controlling and unreasonable
and demanding, but that was the character, you know, and

(01:48:51):
he did it brilliantly. Well. So, yeah, I saw it
on on an aeroplane just not so long ago. The Vowel,
The vow W the vowel.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Yeah. From twenty twelve, Rachel McAdams and Channing Tatum at
some high level Hollywood star hour a drama film, not
a romantic comedy, but a romantic drama.

Speaker 9 (01:49:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:49:13):
Well, the thing is it was based on a real
story about a woman. A couple who were sort of
married a while and they were involved in a terrible
accident and she had a huge brain injury and lost
five years of memory and had no recollection of her

(01:49:33):
husband as being her husband she was. He was like
a stranger to her and he had to win her
affixes back. Great movie, great man, true story.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Thanks Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
I'll put that on the list for this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
The vowel, Yeah, no one has mentioned the vowel. No
one has mentioned that mentioned Dathan Brunswick. Strangely, along with
Jurassic Park, the most mentioned movie is Dathan B. Brunswick
with John Clark.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
Yeah, a lot of fans for that movie. Get a Debbie, Oh, Hello,
how are you a very girl?

Speaker 32 (01:50:03):
Oh? I'm a bit excited. I've never run the radio
station before.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Flattered that you've chosen around ours, Debbie.

Speaker 32 (01:50:10):
I have, I have, and I've chosen to hear my
story about Sam Neil because it's always been trench to
my mind. It was back in nineteen ninety eight and
my mother and I were in New York, Manhattan, and
we went up go and have some breakfast, and there's
two gentlemen walked past us, and we walked past, and

(01:50:30):
then I looked at my mother and went I think
that was Sam Neil, and damn, I really wish i'd
said something to him, but you know, damn, damn and
I had breakfast walking back and we passed them again,
this dum and this other man, and this time I thought, no,
I'm going to say something, and I said, oh, excuse me, Hi,
I'm sorry to bother you, but we're from New Zealand

(01:50:52):
and my best key reaccent and he's just sort ofticularly
he smiled and just went really, I would never have
guessed that. And he was actually there. He was there
filming a movie called The Horse Whisperer.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Of course, what's his name, Robert Robert Redford, Robert Robert Redford. Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 32 (01:51:18):
He's just so delightful, this dry, sort of like little
little smile. You know, I really couldn't have, couldn't You
really didn't.

Speaker 21 (01:51:26):
Have to tell me that.

Speaker 32 (01:51:27):
As soon as you open your mouth, I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Thank you for your called Debbie.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
Yeah, that's a lovely story.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
Hey, So you know, we've got some audio here of
Sam Nils's dream. He was asked what his ultimate dream
for for a day was, you know, and so what
was this hugely successful actor's idea of a dream day?
Up there we go. What was Sam nils idea for

(01:51:53):
a dream day?

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
Do I have a dream? I think I'd like a
night where there's no dreams. I'd like a morning when
I wake up and there's really nothing on the leaves,
when everything just returns to dull and there's nothing to report,

(01:52:19):
and there's no pestilence and there's no war and there's
no aggression and people are just just leaving it alone
and getting on with each other.

Speaker 10 (01:52:33):
Will happy night.

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
The surface three foot high. Today, chickens are laying in
central Ittago in New Zealand. The football will be played
as usual on Saturday. Someone might win, but probably everyone
will just have a draw. There's nothing happening. That's my dream.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
It's just the big stories, the big issues, the big
trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons used talk Z'B.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
News Talks there be it is six to four. Couple
of techs about the late Sir Sam Gooday, guys, Sam
was Sir Sam was naked with Al McPherson in Sirens.
What a role that was for him and for the world.
From Phil Right. Okay, certainly for him.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Yeah, so he achieved a lot of stuff and one
of those things was being naked with Alb McPherson and sirens.
Well played. All right, that's the end of the show.
Thanks so much for listening, Thanks for all your calls
and texts. The Paul Holmes Broadcaster of the Year, Hither
Dupe of Clan is up next, and after four she
has a disgruntled customer of Sola zero and why his
twenty year contract for cheap Power isn't the sweet dearly.

Speaker 13 (01:53:52):
Thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Also I think she's got Paul Henry on the show
later on as well.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
That'd be a great interview.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
But right now, Tyler, my good friend, why am I
playing this song from XTC's nineteen seventy nine album Drums
and Wires.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
Can you give me the name of the title? Just
help me out to a little bit here. I haven't
actually even heard of this band. I mean, I like,
I like this out of.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
The tune because this song is called making Plans for
Nigel and Sam. Neil has passed away, but he wasn't
born Sam. He was born in nineteen forty seven. It's
Nigel John Dermott Neil. Yeah, and for making plans for Nigel.
Then he's certainly for philled them, didn't he. He certainly
had an incredible career he had, and what a great

(01:54:32):
New Zealand he was. What a legacy rip?

Speaker 15 (01:54:36):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Everyone you see him busy said, we'lllet you go with
back live nationwide from tomorrow afternoon until then, given it
tasted KWin, all right, Where.

Speaker 24 (01:54:47):
Then make plans for Agel?

Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
Has this good Jura brutus still.

Speaker 24 (01:54:59):
Where they make plans ageljuris see yes, John Ni Joe says,
is happy, and let's be happy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
He must be happy.

Speaker 21 (01:55:19):
It must be happy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
And Nig seals a nice likes.

Speaker 23 (01:55:28):
To please, to be often to.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
I happy, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
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