Full Show Podcast: 14 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk said, be good a to you, Welcome into Thursday show.
Hope you having a great day where if you're listening
in the country, How you doing, Mat.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm doing very good. Do you know we played Michael
Jackson in the end of last hour. We did a
few people complaining about it. Apparently perha few people complaining
about Michael Jackson. He was never convicted of anything. You know, Oh,
Michael Jackson. That movie Michael is very popular.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's very popular.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's going to make a billion dollars worldwide, a billion,
so a lot of people. I was watching some Michael
Jackson footage last night live in Copenhagen back in the nineties.
Very odd, very old. What happened to his face? We'll
just say, very odd?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, a fascinating individual, no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
But genius.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You cannot deny his music.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Nick lev And you know, didn't really play instruments, but
would hum the music. Yeah, I he'd go, Quincy who
was the producer, Quincy Jones, you go, I'd like a
baseline that goes doom doom doom Dum dum dum dum
dum dum dum doom doom dum dum doom doom doom
doom doom. Quincy would go, Okay, let's do that.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Incredible, Yeah, and looking forward to seeing that movie. Michael,
by the way, right to today's show. It as a
doozy for you after three o'clock. We were going to
do this yesterday but we didn't get to it, so
we absolutely will today. Greg Davies very well known comedian
and a host of Task Master. He has opened up
about a struggle he faced after a three stone weight
loss that's almost twenty kilo. The fifty seven year olds

(01:48):
turned to ozempic after receiving a warning from his doctor.
So he spoke to a newspaper and he said the
quote was after I went to my doctor he warned
that I would look obese if it weren't for my
six foot eight inch frame and needed to go on
ozim ozemp But after shitting the pounds he decided to
stop using the medication because he's here it again, I

(02:09):
quote three stone fell off me, but I didn't really
like it. It made me a bit gaunt but unhappy.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Right. Interesting, I've got a friend who's quite tall, and
he keeps saying, look, I'm lucky I'm tall because I
can put on weight and I don't look fat. And
I see, as I say this to him, you look fat, mate, Curt,
So you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Thank you for your honesty, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
So I'll share something about that. I shoot, what was
that thing I shared with you today, Tyler? Around that
issue and the bluntness of gen X?

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Friend, yes, anyway, we'll find out later. But would you
rather be You know, is there any point in losing
weight if you become happy? Unhappy? Because there's lots of
people that are using these weight loss drugs and then
they lose the weight and they find themselves feeling depressed.
Whereas generally speaking, if you go the other route of

(02:58):
intense amounts of exercise and eating healthily, you tend to
have a requisite happiness increase because there's fulfillment. You know,
you can't just buy happiness, right.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
You have strived for something and you've succeeded Yeah, succeeded.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
And you've grown more muscles and you're just in a
better position, you know, good habits, whereas taking the weight
loss drugs, you just lose the weight. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think there's a lot in that, But taking your
calls on that after three o'clock one hundred and eighty
ten eighty after two o'clock in New Zealand, hero feature
tells the story of a woman who had a severe
alcohol addiction behind a successful professional life, revealing she was

(03:35):
drunk at work almost every day for fifteen years, while
colleagues largely failed to notice. So it sears her drinking
escalated from social alcohol use to daily dependency, affecting her health,
relationship since of self, but all the while she was
still incredibly successful in her working life. Yeah. So the
functioning alcoholic. How long can you realistically survive in life

(03:58):
and your job and succeed while you're an alcoholic? Yeah?
Drinking every day? I mean, do you know anyone that
you've worked with people that are drunk all the time?

Speaker 6 (04:05):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yep, I've worked with two people you would have been
very similar to that, Laddy. They've been pretty successful professionally,
but no doubt about it they were alcoholics.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
So there are some professions where you can do it, obviously. Yeah,
well you know, I'm not sure how successful you can.
But well, like you, I've known some success people, successful
people that are punishing alcoholics.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Not if you're driving anything, you can't really succeed at it,
It's very true. Or running heavy machinery, that's a big one.
You know, career driver probably can't get very far being
an alcoholics. Drinking every day.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yep, that doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
A lot of broadcasters drunk all the time.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeph e one hundred and eighty ten eighty after two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat about digital driver's license.
So Parliament has now passed that legislation the third Reading,
allowing those digital licenses to become a legal alternative. The
change means kiwis will eventually be able to store their
license on their phone, although the roll out date and
exec format are still being confirmed. So Ministers say the
move modernized, modernizers outdated transport laws and aligns with how

(05:04):
people already use digital wallets and online services. Critics say
they worry about privacy and an increase need to have
our phones on us at all times.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, because convenience can quietly become dependency. I mean, personally,
I'd love this. As I said before when we were
talking about this, unable to rent a car because I
forgot my.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
License, yep, frustrating when I'm.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Flowing into Queenstown and my family and I had to
catch a taxi over to one.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
That is punishing, That is really punishing and expensive.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, but you know it's convenient. Give me convenience, give
me death, as the Dead Kennedy said. Since then, convenience
becomes dependency and then suddenly your battery anxiety really flears
up when you're on three percent and you're trying to
drive your cart.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Certainly does what do you say though, Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Ninety
two ninety two is the text. And coming up next
we are going to have a chat with Associate Minister
of Transport, James Meager, who has been behind this legislation.
It is twelve past one, beg very surely.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
every between Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks,
they'd be it's.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
The quarter past one so Parliament is now past legislation
allowing digital licenses to become a legal alternative to physical cards.
What will this all mean with us now is Associate
Minister of Transport James Mega very good afternoon, Minister, good afternoon, Goddrish.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
So for people that are just hearing about this now,
what exactly changes for drivers and when will this happen?

Speaker 7 (06:34):
So you won't see any change overnight that the law
that we pass yesterday is the framework for allowing digital
driver's licenses to be a valid form of license in
New Zealand. The weird thing is that we actually already
legally accept digital licenses from other jurisdictions if they're valid
in their country. So for example, if you've got say
a New South of Wales driver's license and you've got

(06:56):
it on the app on your phone, you can use
that legally here. We can't do it for our own
So the lower passy today sets up the framework. The
actual work around developing the driver's license technology and which
which apps can use it and how it's going to
be all implemented will come later on, and we're working
on that over the next few months. And actually it's
already been worked on but people won't see a change

(07:17):
straight away. And the important thing to remember is that
you will still have access to your physical license.

Speaker 6 (07:22):
There's no intention for it to.

Speaker 7 (07:23):
Be one or the other. There will be a choice
you can make and actually you'll be able to have
both if you really want to.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
So would this be on the I've only just found
out this app exists actually today, So would it be
on your GUVT dot nz app?

Speaker 7 (07:37):
I think that would be the long term intention, that
it would be a smart thing if there is a
government app to put it in the wallet in that app.
Other countries do other things like where you can actually
have it in the app or the wallet on the
phone itself, so you know how you can put your
bank cards in the wallet or tickets in the wallet.
You can double click and it comes up on the
side of your iPhone where you seem something or whatever
it might be. That might be another option. That's the

(08:00):
kind of stuff that the officials and the public will
work through over the next week while as to how's
the best way to display it. But the ultimate thing
is that you know, we changed a few years back,
a couple of decades back, we had paper licenses. Then
we went to the sort of the card with your
photo on it, and now it's just digitizing that process.
It's all just sort of part of modernizing modernizing them.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
So on this dot nz app right now I'm looking
at the wallet says add digital IDs, licenses and certificates
ready when you need them. You're in control of what
gets shared and when add to your wallet. But there's
just a bunch of holes. There's nothing to add yet.
So it's all set up ready to go pretty.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Much basically, and the officials are working with providers from
other jurisdictions to see how they do it. What's the
best way to do it. That would be an obvious
place to have your driver's license in there, but for
those people who don't necessarily want to download that particular app,
it could be that the driver's license can be fed

(08:58):
straight through to your digital wallet on your phone itself,
or another way. It might be a browser based system.
We've got to think about what's the best way to
make sure people can access it, but also not that
you know, it can be a million different acts that
you can put it on, or a screenshot or something
like that that doesn't have the security and privacy standards
that we would expect from a digital driver's license, because
ultimately you want to be able to do the thing

(09:19):
as well, where you know, if you're out at the
club at two o'clock in the morning and you're getting
id obviously as it still.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Are, Yeah, you want to you want to be able to.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
Go to the bouncer and maybe just tap the end
of your phone together with the with the bouncer, have
it give you the blue tick and have you go
through without having to tell him you're at your name,
your address, your location, all that kind of stuff. That's
the kind of privacy enhancing stuff that might be able
to happen with this.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
And then then either way I'll get collared like that
kid in Lincoln.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Going to help you out on the street.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
What about what about you know, the police pull you
over the obvious question as your phone as plant.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Mmmm, well, it would be a very unique situation if
you you happen to be the one person who had
a flat phone at the time where the police pulled
d over. The good thing about this is bad, Yeah,
very bad. That Well, there's two things. One is that
you could always carry your physical license with you. And
I've had the same theme where you know, I travel
a lot for work, my license off and sits in

(10:21):
my wallet, which sometimes will sit in my truck because
that's the only thing I drive. I get to a
rental company and I don't have my license with me,
so I can't use it. So you'll have the option
to continue to hold your physical license if there's a
pretty good reason I would imagine that you can't display
or give them your electronic version of it. They have
access to those databases and there will be flexibility and

(10:42):
good reasons as to why you can't show it, And
of course there always could be opportunity for the particular
cop to maybe say, hey, why don't we give you
a bit of a charge in my car for the
next five minutes you can pull it up and on
your way. So there'll be a lot of flexibility on that,
and we understand there's a bit of range anxiety out there,
but hopefully we can work through those issues.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
We're geting a few techs coming through minutes to pushing
back on this idea, and it's usually the same sort
of theme that they're worried about the increasing digitalization of
these sort of documents. What do you say to them,
because I know Obviously under this legislation, you don't have
to have your license in digital form. You can have
a physical copy. But is there, you know, some truth
to their point that more and more of these things

(11:20):
are becoming digital when some people don't want to be
so much in that world.

Speaker 8 (11:25):
Yeah, look, it's fair.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
And you know, you get this with ID all the
time as well, because most of us use our driver's
license as proof of age or proof of ID or
you know. Actually the driver's license is the thing that
tells the country that you're actually licensed to drive. It
just so happens to also authorize your age and other
things and your identification. So if you're not a driver
or you don't have your driver's license, you can get

(11:47):
stuck sometimes as to how you can offer ID to
government agencies or to banks. So actually having this kind
of thing on your phone might be a helpful thing
to happen. But also, yeah, people are concerned about driving
everything digitally and driving everything online, and we're a wary
of that, and so that's why we're maintaining the ability
to keep physical licenses if you choose to do so.

(12:08):
So I actually think most people, and it'll be across
all ages, will shift pretty quickly to digital licenses. We've
done it with our bank cards, we've done it with
other kinds of ida. I think it'll just be such
a thing of convenience that we'll use it without second thought,
bearing in mind that if we do that, and when
we do that, we'll have to put pretty high privacy

(12:29):
standards in place, so make sure that the information that's
being collected is actually protected really well as well. We
don't want identity theft, but in a way, it should
be harder for someone to pinch your phone and use
your ID than it would be for them to pinch
your wallet and use your idea out of your wallet.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I guess there is sort of a you know, we're
already dangerously addicted to our phones, and this makes that
phone even more essential, doesn't empowering those nasty big tech
companies even more to sell their other crap around around.
You know, you've got your license, You've got to have
your phone. There's no way you can leave the house
without it. And I know what you're saying, that you

(13:06):
can have a physical license and that's never going away,
sort of making that commitment, But can you kind of
see that idea that it sort of empowers the people
that are creating this terrible addiction across our society.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
It's a fair criticism.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
I mean, I am attached to my phone far more
than I would like to be. Ultimately, it's a sort
of affliction that it's part of most of our jobs
and part of most of our lives these days. I
think we've actually done quite a good amount of work
to separate that from young kids, to make sure that
you know, we don't just have phones as an extension
of our body. But the reality is that most of

(13:43):
what we do is carried on our phones these days.
I was actually I've got a colleague who's departing our
office and he's sitting into the world of finance, and
we wanted to get him a calculator as a leaving gift. Well,
it's hard to find a calculator around the office because
everyone looks at you sideways and there's a calculator on
your phone. Yeah, I know that, but I want a

(14:04):
physical calculator to give him as a gift because you're
obviously going to need us when he goes on. But
you know, tortures radios, listen to you, guys. You know
we don't carry around transits to radios with us anymore.
We basically listen to you through the streaming service. Everything's
on our phone. So part of it is a reflection
that that's the way the world is hitting. That's not
to say we don't have.

Speaker 9 (14:23):
We have to go sort of.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Hard.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
Don't want to say something I can't send the radio
but full steam ahead into it, and that we can't
have some sort of sense of relaxation and reality about it.
But ultimately we use our phones a lot. This will
make it easier for a lot of people, and if
you don't want to use it, you don't have to.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Now I'm trying to get my head around this one. Finally,
we're also hearing about digital warrants of fitness and registrations.
How would that work? So not displaying it on your
window anymore? Would that mean scanning of number plates? How
would that work?

Speaker 7 (14:56):
So same concept, right, Everyone knows that when you get
your regio, it's sent you in the mail and you
are legally required to put that flimsy bit of paper
in the front of your window.

Speaker 8 (15:07):
And ultimately we and you.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
Do that, you're probably scavenging around to try and remove
ten years worth of stickers and wedge that one annoying
bit of paper into the little flimsy plastic sleeve. So
always saying is that we're going to remove the requirement
to display that. So if you don't display that properly
at the moment, you could be hit with a turn
of dollar fine, despite the fact that you're already rejoded
and licensing and you're up to speed with everything, So

(15:29):
we're going to take away the requirement for it. Parking
offices and police officers already have access to the digital
and information, so they don't actually rely on that chap
as to whether or not you are licensed or warranted.
They will actually check the system themselves, but of course
it's a helpful indication to them. So again for people

(15:52):
who want to keep that bit of paper in their
window as maybe a reminder of when they're reji STU
or they warrants d you, they can do that. But
we're not going to make it a legal requirement any
more for you to have that. So you're not going
to get pinged because the sticker was late in the
mail and you didn't put it up in time. And
the same things as also MZTA send out about sixteen

(16:13):
million dollars worth of notices in the post. We're actually
going to let them email those to you now and
I can think of better things that's been that sixteen
million dollars on.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's not a bad saving.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Minister.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Thank you very much for your time this afternoon. Really
appreciate your insight and we'll catch.

Speaker 7 (16:27):
Up again so always God good talk to you guys.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
That is James Miga, Associate Minister of Transport. So what
do you say You've heard what the minister involved in
this legislation had to say? Does this still worry you?
Will you go digital driver's license or you always have
your physical on you? Nine to ninety two is the
text that is twenty five past one.

Speaker 8 (16:47):
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Speaker 2 (17:31):
It is twenty eight past one, so we're talking about
digital driver's licenses coming to your phone very very soon.
We just spoke with the Minister Associates Transport Minister James Meager,
who laid it out. But does this worry you. There's
always a lot of pushback when things become digital, and
when it comes to something like a driver's license, there's
plenty of teachers coming through pushing back on this idea.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Are we, says JB, trading convenience for security at the
same time trading freedoms for security. We will end up
with digital social credit scores, limiting freedoms with dumb laws
and requirements. What I found really interesting is that you're
not getting tickets because you're not displaying your warranton rego anymore.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
And how good is that?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Because I don't know if we're not getting them, but
they don't need it to display it anymore, because I
think there is currently a fine for not displaying it
even if you've got it. I've had a couple of
those with you with your you know your regio right, Yeah,
they claim that they couldn't see it for whatever reason something.
I'd had something on the dashboard and they couldn't see
it clearly. So I got a two hundred dollar fine
in the mail. No longer because they can just look

(18:34):
it up on their wik system. And this text says
social credit system inbound for the low IQ sheep will
link to my government. Loll since when have they been
your government? Enjoy your prison system, cash you sheep?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Okay, good text, passionate keep those coming through on nine
two nine two. But would you be behind this idea
when this finally comes through, and it will be coming
through very very soon, will you be one of the
first to sign up to a digital driver's license or
does it worry you? Do you think it's too much
information for the government to have.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
My questionary warranton regio. Will council workers have exit to
that information online? As currently they ticket for not having
a warrant of warrant of fitness or regio if you
park in the street, so they already have that information.
That's the thing the And you know, people go, well
your license being digital or not. You know. I was
pulled over by the police insanely the other day. I

(19:26):
talked about on the show for driving through an orange light.
And the cop pulled me over and he was like, mate,
he drove through the red light.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
He was British, right, okay.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
And I said I drove through orange light. It goes yeah,
but too close, too close to the red. And I
say I think you're allowed to drive the orange He goes, no,
you should have stopped anyway. And then he said have
you got got your license? And I said I don't
have it on me and he goes, that's all right,
we'll look it up in the car.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
So he had it.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
He had it.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, he didn't find you the fifty bucks for not
carrying it.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
He did, oh he did. No, No, I didn't find
me for not having the license, but I got this
fine for running an orange.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Light, plenty of green in that.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, might as well have might as well one reads
if they're doing it for your oranges. Oh, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number two court. We've got
the headlines coming up.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Then we have a chat with Kevin and he certainly
doesn't like this idea of digital driver's licenses. It is
twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 2 (21:35):
Thank you very much, Raylean. So we're talking about digital
driver's licenses. They are coming for your phone very soon
if you're into it. So does that make you a
little bit worried? Is that too much of a government
oversight in two documents that you think should be physical?

Speaker 12 (21:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
E one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call?

Speaker 13 (21:52):
This?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
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says Jane Meaga will b PM one day mark my WORDZ.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
A lot of people are saying that very impressive young minister.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
He's very articulate, isn't he good? To Marie boy as
well as I understand today tomorrow to time ruse, they say,
good place, good song, Kevin, your thoughts on your license
on your phone.

Speaker 14 (22:16):
That's absolutely slipping.

Speaker 15 (22:18):
Not that's the closed radio version of it.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
But what I already wanted to say, okay, and what
is your objection?

Speaker 14 (22:26):
My objection is not the first key wed, nor will
I be the last. Kim is or absolutely objective idea.
What happens if it is really dodgy, is really dodgy
people out there. What they don't do with they give
you some dodge. Some dodgy means what I mean. And
also it feels like a major I don't know infrastructure

(22:47):
out it, what do I do with it? Whereas at
least a physical one at least you've got at least
it's a.

Speaker 16 (22:56):
At least you've got something physically well and on something.

Speaker 13 (23:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Hear what you're saying, Kevin. And it's a fair point
if if there is an emergency and the power goes out,
and get your point. But the way I'd see in
those situations is that no police officer or anyone else
is going to find you when you say, can you
please show me your digital ID and you don't have
it on your phone because your phone's you couldn't charge it.
You know, there's going to be some common sense here,
but you don't buy that. You you don't like that

(23:23):
idea that the government would have that information. And it
feels like it's it's going too much in favor of
having it digital.

Speaker 14 (23:31):
That's what that does. As I said, I'm not the
first ken we and I won't be to ask HEIMI
what does a hell no attitude? Physical at least at
least if I prefer a physical license any day of
the week over digital any day of the week.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, and so, but you can still keep your physical
version of it, Kevin, So they said, and you know
people might be suspicious of this or or whatever, but
they've said that there will always be a physical option
for people like you, Kevin that don't want to go digital.
So you can, you can, and you you'll reign supreme
at that point when all the power goes down, the

(24:11):
grids down, and no one's phone's working, You'll be like,
look at this, look at my driver's license. I'm good
to go. I can go to bars exactly.

Speaker 14 (24:25):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, good on you, Kevin. Thanks for you cool love
your passion. Thank you very much. Are you worth?

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Kevin?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I WA one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
My My slight problem with it is kind of hard
to argue because you do have the option to be digital.
But I just believe people will always choose convenience, and slowly, slowly,
convenience can take over your life. It's right, And what
starts off as convenience ends up being control. And it's
your own stupid fault for going down that path. But

(24:53):
you didn't want to carry a wallet round, so you
don't get the driver's license, yes, and then all of
a sudden you just completely and utterly dependent on your
phone more than you It's right.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
The thin edge of the wedge is some people are saying,
nineteen ninety two is a text? Stephen? Do you think
this is a good idea?

Speaker 6 (25:11):
I do.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
However, I can see that there was a little bit
of an.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
Issue with it.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Would you want to unlock your phone and hand it
over to the police at the moment they take away
your card and they to their vehicle and they come
back with it a few minutes later.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
It's a good point. I wouldn't want them to walk
away with it.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
No, I'd want to.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Be present if I unlocked it showed them, but they
might not be okay with it.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
You don't want them to go back to the car.
They've got access to your phone. Next thing, they're reading
through that horrific WhatsApp three that you've got with your
mates from high school. You say terrible things. Then they
come back with the city handcuffs and say you're coming
with us. We've looked at Yeah, that's a really good point.
I would say that they would have to see because

(25:58):
what's going to happen is, as I was saying before, Stephen,
they've already got all your details in the car anyway,
they've already got access to that picture that's on your license.
So I would say it would absolutely wouldn't Surely they
wouldn't be allowed to take that phone away. They'd have
to change that that procedure.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Just to show them.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
Surely send the app, but it would be okay. I
gess that you could leave the image up on the
phone with the phone lot.

Speaker 16 (26:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Well, I'm just looking at the app now because the
current app, I'm not sure if they're going to update it,
but the current New Zealand government app gov dot z app, yes,
it's not getting good reviews, not not yet two and
a half stars because there's nothing on it at the moment. Yeah,
the two and a half stars on thirty two reviews.
So it's not sitting the world on fire at the moment.

(26:50):
But that's possibly because it doesn't seem to be anything
you can do on it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah. Have you got the rest of your cards on
your phone?

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Steven?

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Are you pretty up to date with that technology? You know,
your IF postcards, if I have, I've got my postcard
on there.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
And I yes, your pay wave when I don't have
to pay a fee yeh yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
And you've got no problem with that side of things.

Speaker 9 (27:11):
No, Yeah, because.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
You would say that your phone, well I would say
handing over my phone, right, yeah, that's exactly.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
You'll keep it to the shop.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's the difference there.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, and that's another thing. So people that you know,
we've had a whole show us today Stephen on bounces
and some dodgy behaviors by bounces. Most of them seem
to be pretty good, but some of the dodgy is
that the same thing as well, you're going into a
club normally they grab the license off you and have
a good look not so much me anymore, but back
in the day. So I mean, you know you're not

(27:43):
going to want to hand your phone over to a
security guard at a bar, are you?

Speaker 4 (27:48):
No?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Hell no, because.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
You know the next thing you know, they're in your
phone doing all kinds of dodgy stuff and there's nothing
you can do about it.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, yees, spot on, Steven, thank you very much for
your phone call. That is a bit of a gap
in the legislation potentially. What do you say, Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Beg
very shortly. It is nineteen to two.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Hi, guys, did COVID teach you nothing? The state will
only make changes that advantage them, not us.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
From ann do you agree with that? Ninet two niney
two to text nineteen to.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Two, The issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
News Talk, say'd be.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Very good afternoon to you. It is sixteen to two,
so we're talking about digital drivers' licenses. The legislation has
passed and they will be coming to your phone very
soon if you want it. Of course, you can still
have the option of having your physical driver's licenses. But
does that make you worry? It is another push into
the world of digitalization. So one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
How did a texter that you just read in the
break and said, I can't read this out on here
describe James Meagher?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I am going to read it out.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I think this is okay, okay, all right, so we'll
find out what is the BSA still operational? I think
for another couple of where maybe they got shut down
when we're on.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Well, let's give them some more work while they've still
got a job, is okay? Mid after noon lads, love
the show Digital Licenses whatever. Minister James Meagher's voice is
sexy and you can't say this on air, but almost,
Nica Melting, Thanks for making my day and making my
husband give a side eye look when I showed him
my text.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Nica Melting.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh that's all right, I mean that is that above board?

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Well? I think that's absolutely fine. Geta boys. All this
sphere of government having too much info as rubbish. They
already have it. Everything is already on digital systems all
the way through. Digital licensing just adds convenience for the
end user. The only fair I have is if we
go full digital, that gives the government the potential power
to remove our access at well, I'm happy as long
as the physical option continues to exist. Thank you, Nick, Sam,

(29:49):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (29:51):
Good Hey guys, how's it going?

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Very good? Thanks for calling your thoughts on this.

Speaker 17 (29:55):
Yeah, noa, I'm proet. I have a pilot that lives
in New Zealand but has an Australian part well many
but Australian pilot license and that's completely digital. So it
goes into your wallet and if you were ram checked
or anywhere in Australia, you can pull it out and
it's civil Aviation Authority of Australia will accept that. It's

(30:20):
not yet passed as international, but it's definitely a step forward.
It's so much easier than carrying around the hard copy
et cetera. And yeah, it just makes life. It's so
much easier.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Are you the kind of guy, Sam that's not carrying
around money cards? And you know, if you sign up
to a new gym, you go just give me the
digital option. I don't want the swiper. You that kind
of kind of kind of character Sam.

Speaker 17 (30:47):
You know what, it took me so long to get
used to that. Buddy of mine was like, mate, put
your credit card on the phone, double clicker, the way
you go payways. And I couldn't get used to carried
abound a wallet for a long time. And now that's all.
Either everything's on my wallet, whether I'm in Hong Kong
or wherever I am using public transport or whatever. You

(31:11):
always download the card, load money onto it. It's yeah,
it's been a life changing experience for someone who's like
a mid boomer.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
So you know what about you know obviously, yeah, you're
traveling overseas quite a bit. Would you be happy for
your passport to just be on your phone as well?

Speaker 17 (31:29):
Totally? The parcel is a waste of time. Answer, waste time.
I mean I'm in and out of the country probably
four or five times a month, as joke. It should
just be a card, chip or something on your phone.
The reason why we have a hard copy, I still
have no idea why we do it. It just seems.

Speaker 8 (31:47):
Yeah, what about scanning.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Your face because a lot of airports do that that
you don't even need to carry anything, it's all in
the system. They scan your face a little bit of boom. Yep,
it's Sam, He's good to go. Yeah, come on, true.

Speaker 17 (31:58):
Yeah, but that's but that's how it should be. I mean,
we now as travelers have the option of going online
doing your customs deck before you get in the country,
and no one looks at your passwords. The stamps have gone.
I mean, I've got some phenomenal stamps and I'm very
proud of but they're all gone and no one it's

(32:18):
just it's face faith recognition and completely, you know, every
everybody should should be on board with it.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
I would have thought the big zero chance of leaving
your passport back at the hotel because we you.

Speaker 17 (32:35):
Know, I tell you I've been done before.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
But what I'm saying is our phone addiction as such
that that's when your phone addiction plays in your favor,
because you will not head towards the lift in the
hotel without looking at your phone.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
So I got my phone, sweet, I'm sorted.

Speaker 17 (32:51):
And you know I always say, if you're traveling, if
you got your passport, wallet and phone, it's the only
three things you need. The rest you can buy. That's
all you need. If you get anything else, you're you're
you're going to be safe.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Are those knick and melting knickers that we had someone
talking about before you?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I've got a one final question for you, Sam. Are
you Are you familiar with New Zealand's greatest ever eighty
R pilot, Captain Scott Buttery. No, he's a legend. He's
a legend.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
You will, mate, You don't need a couple of weeks.

Speaker 17 (33:25):
Yeah, well we're flying at two. Good luck.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
He rams it in like a tent peg mate, broken nose.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Oh mate, you're a legend. Thanks very much for giving
us a call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. It is eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons, News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
News Talks B. It is eight to two. So we're
talking about the digital driver's license coming to a phone
near you in the next couple of months. You don't
have to have it. Physical driver's licenses will remain. But
does this worry you?

Speaker 16 (34:07):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
E one hundred and eighty.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Two This Texas says, next thing, it'll be Trump's ice
and control of you. You guys get sucked in all
the time. That's from Mary. I'm trying to think of
a saying. I think the word I'm come up with
is trump on, and it's like a tag on of
something to do with Trump when it's got absolutely nothing
to do with the topic. Where you insert Trump into

(34:29):
anything that we're talking about in a country many many,
many many many many many many many many many many, many,
many thousands of kilometers from America.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I thought it was Heath's law.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, I tried to insort inserts Heath's law where if
you insert Trump where it's not needed, then, as what's said,
that's Phillips laws. The other one isn't.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
It crazies, We'll find a way to put Trump into
the conversation even though he's nothing part of that topic.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Philip's laws is if you
start invoking Germany in the nineteen thirties and forties in
a conversation where it's not necessary, then you've lost the
argument because you're you've gone you know, you're not looking
through it properly. So so you think I.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Think Trumpelin's pretty good slaw though sounds academic and professional.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, but I'm not really in an academical professional position
to be making up my own laws. Wick, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 12 (35:24):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
Guys. How are you going?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Not too bad? You're pro digital?

Speaker 18 (35:28):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, I can't you know, I
can't come along quick enough. I had a similar thing
with you, Matt, where I was traveling regularly actually for sales.
I went to Wellington once a month, christ Church once
a month. A few years back, landed in christ Church
and walked up to Avis and realized that had my
driver's license with me, and I conveniently did have a

(35:51):
photo of my license on my phone. So I just
nonchalantly kind of waved my phone in front of the lady.
Because I traveled quite regularly, so I figured, you know,
Avis premium member and all that stuff, and you actually
had to upload your driver's license to be a premium
member on the AVERS system, right, And she just said no,
don't do it.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
It was out a car recke. It was Avers for
me as well. I was like, I was saying to
the person as nice as I could be because it was
late at night, and and you know, I was in
Queen's Down with my kids and our accommodation was in Wonica.
I was like, how elaborate would I have to be
to have created this picture? This image of both sides
of my driver's license.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I mean, what kind of mass thousand and four Corolla?

Speaker 3 (36:37):
What kind of master criminal? Do you think I am
trying to rent this ramp?

Speaker 18 (36:41):
And totally yeah, I legally I think I supposed to
avay drive's license with you. I guess which is what
they're coming for. But you know, it was it was
a complete waste that I was doing christ Huts. I
had one face to face, I had a staff to
catch up with. Usually did about five or six stores,
and then flew back like on the six o'clock. So yeah,
I pretty much went to the face to face meeting,

(37:03):
sat in the cafe, did some work, and flew homiking.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I mean it would. You're never going to forget your phone,
That's that's the thing. Well, you're never gonna know phone.

Speaker 18 (37:14):
It's always in your back pocket. Why not everything else?

Speaker 16 (37:17):
A wave?

Speaker 19 (37:19):
Yeah, it's just there.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
You're not worried that this convenience is feeding your phone
addiction wreck.

Speaker 8 (37:26):
No, not at all.

Speaker 18 (37:26):
I mean it's it's your phone. Phone's got everything you
need on it. I mean you can always turn it off.
It's got an off button, right, it's got a silent switch,
so you're in control of.

Speaker 19 (37:35):
It after all.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Surprised.

Speaker 18 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's pretty hard sometimes.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, you're on your wreck. Thanks for your call.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
But even to Sam's point, you know, you said, as
long as you've got your phone and your passport, you
can buy everything else. But I'd argue you can even
buy even if you lose your phone. At least you
can still buy it and upload all your stuff from
a cloud as long as you got your sign it.
So it's kind of your ultimate plan b that no
matter what happens, if you've got it all on your phone,
even if you lose your phone, you'll still be all right.

(38:04):
What do you say though, oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Now, this tix says you guys are boiling frog in
the pot.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, I'll unpack that for a second. I think that
these changes are happening incrementally such that you don't notice it,
like a frog or a lobster and a pot that's
heating up and suddenly you're cooked. Yeah, you never noticed
it happening to yourself.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Do you agree with that. We're going to carry this
on after three o'clock, so taking your calls on oight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and if you want to
send a Dicks nine nine two is that number going
into the news. But MJ for you some more, keep
those complaints.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Coming through, Love me some Jill day baby right it
is four to two back three shortly.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Six pas two. Welcome back into the show.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Just averted a major disaster, didn't we Ty We did?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, so we'll go there.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
We went to the coffee machine. It's so I pressed
a button and it said scaling has commenced thirty five minutes.
Tried to turn it off at the wall. Coffee machine
turned it back on and was so intent on descaling
dr coffee. I think it's called the machine. So we
had to run upstairs to where the exec live.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Too.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
We had a bum rush box. He's coffee machine and
we only just made it back on time to be
on here heat deck.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
But can I say, oh that level two coffee that
is something else have ever some of that, mate, that
is I mean, he's got the good stuff up there,
doesn't he It is.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
A superior coffee. What we get on level one.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
It must be Belgium beans or something.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Before we get to the topic and hand, I've got
to tell you a story quickly, please, So this morning
I thought you were around at my house, Tyler, right, okay, right,
because we're getting the bathroom made, yes, and and we're
getting the bathroom belt. We're getting a new bathroom belt.
And the builder yelled out it was at seventh It

(40:29):
was seven fifteen am, So I was just waking up
seven fifteen am, and outside the builder yelled out, Tyler's here.
But what he meant was that Tyler is here, right,
And I was like, Tyler's here.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
What the hell is he doing here?

Speaker 3 (40:41):
What's Tyler? What's Tyler doing around in my house?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Bugger off?

Speaker 3 (40:45):
What's my co host from my afternoon radio show doing
around at my house?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Quarter past seven in the morning. I'm going to go
for a run.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
This good was a Tyler, actually a good bloke, great guy.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Jeene great yeah, yes, huge Italian eh geneh Jesus, that's
high Italian tiles and an Italian tyler, nothing but the
best for our own sweet bathroom.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Well I'll turn up tomorrow a quarter past seven, then.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I'd appreciate that. All right, enough of that rubbish. Let's
get on with the show.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Let's go back to our discussion about digital licenses, because
we've carried it on. We had a good discussion about
the last hour, but so many people want to have
their say. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to core nine two ninety two is the
text afternoon guys.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
As a heavy haulage vehicle driver says this text to Carl,
when instructed by the police to stop, I present the
officer with photographs of both sides of my license on
my iPhone. The officer then scans the barcode on the license,
which serves as sufficient identification. This process can be considered digital.
It is important to note that the individuals often forget
the display that forget to display their vehicle registration plates,

(41:45):
which invertedly share their personal information with the officer before
they've even stopped. Therefore, it is unnecessary to spread unfounded
concerns about digital licenses.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Nicely said Carl, all right, you've done your research.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Apparently, he says, stop freaking out about digital licenses.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
What do you say to Carl?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
I mean, as a case that the horses already bolted,
They're already pretty much digital, So you know, either go
with the flow or get left behind.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I think there's a bit of that.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Or are we just a frog in a pot temperatures
slowly rising? One day we'll be dead and boiled and
cooked and served up and we won't even notice that's happened.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
If you're in that camp, tell us nineteen nine two stakes,
get a John?

Speaker 12 (42:27):
There you go, good mate?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 12 (42:32):
Well, I'm out of the system. I used to have
a driver's license until about forty years ago, and I
handed it in and told them I didn't want to
a license anymore. And I've been driving for the last
forty years without one, right?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
And have you ever been asked for it?

Speaker 20 (42:47):
John?

Speaker 12 (42:49):
Oh? Yeah, probably a couple hundred times or more.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
And what do you say, I.

Speaker 12 (42:56):
Tell mister policeman, I declined to contract with them. And
they look at me kind of funny they do. And
then and then I say to them, when you went
to police school, did they teach you? Look? And they
say no, And My answer to that is, well, if
you don't know what the law is, how are you
enforcing you?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
What is the law? I thought the law is that
you have to have your driver's license on your John.

Speaker 12 (43:22):
Only your legal fiction if you want to use it
has to have a license. You don't.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Only a legal citizen.

Speaker 12 (43:28):
Did you say, no illegal fiction?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Okay, explain a legal fiction to us, John.

Speaker 12 (43:37):
Well, if you recognize CPR is something completely different for me,
CPR as a citizen, a person or a resident. Right,
So you know what those three things are, don't you. Okay, Well,
all of those three things are dead, are legally dead.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Right.

Speaker 12 (44:01):
That's probably confused you, but hasn't it?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well, it's according to who, John, because there is legisla
and the queens and police do actually study the law
and the legislation that they are charged with enforcing. So
that's they're all facts.

Speaker 12 (44:16):
But yeah, that is aw, that's the lawyers and the
courts you're speaking of. I know exactly what I'm speaking about.
You see. Well, for example, the other day I got
pulled over, and I'm after I repaired my granddaughter's car.
It was something wrong with it, so I took it

(44:37):
out for a road test. And I'm driving down the
road and the cop does a YEARI and chases after
me and says, oh, I didn't like the way you
were driving. I don't really know why. It was a
straight road and I'm only doing about seventy k so
I'm not really sure what quite about that he didn't like.
But never mind. First thing he does, no, No, I

(44:59):
don't do that. I'm seventy years old, so I don't
really do that sort of thing anymore. But the first
thing he does is ask me for my and I
tell them I don't have one. I gave it up
forty years ago. And he said, well, how come you're
operating a motor vehicle. I said no, I'm operating a
motor carriage. And but he says, well, have you got

(45:24):
any form of idea? And I said, well, I don't
have a passport, to bee card, a bank account. The
only thing I've gotten an address where I live and
that's it. Nothing, no form of ID whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
So you don't have a bank account, John, No, how
do you operate?

Speaker 13 (45:43):
Everything is cash?

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Right? Are you taking your you know, your cash down
to the I D buy your Texas?

Speaker 12 (45:53):
Well, that's easy because I'm on a pension. Now, so
the varses take it before I get it.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, but how do you get your pension? Where do
they send that? Do they just send that to address.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Of an envelope that's exactly right, Okay, the brown envelope
they put they.

Speaker 12 (46:09):
Put it in someone's Uh. Well, it's it's a procedure.
It's a bit complicated, but it works and the only
thing that counts.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
And so when you delivered the seller to the police,
do they are they friendly about it? Do they understand
where you're coming from?

Speaker 12 (46:24):
Or do they in total they look at me in
total confusion. And the next question that particular policeman asked
me is as the car registered? And I smiled and
I said, well, if I don't ever license, take a
wild guest. And he said, well, why isn't it registered.
I said, I did registered it four years ago when
I bought it for my granddaughter. He said why, and
I said, well, it's private use only. It doesn't mean

(46:46):
a number plate. And so anyway, he gets a bit
setty after about five minutes, because I'm not probably co
operating in the manner he would like.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 12 (46:59):
And I said to him, your dead Caen to give
me a ticket, aren't you? He said?

Speaker 9 (47:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (47:04):
So I said, well, how did I in you get
introduced to me when you came to my window? I said,
I declined to contract and no joined us today. I said, So,
I'd like you to write that at the top of
the ticket. Then right, right, whatever you like on the ticket,
and I'm happy with that.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
You know the government gives you your pension though, John,
you know that a parttern the government gives you your pension.

Speaker 12 (47:29):
Well, they give they give my legal fiction pension, not me.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Right, okay? Right? And so what are you, John?

Speaker 12 (47:40):
I'm a living flash and brown man.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Right? And do you do you do you do you feel?
Do you agree with the your birth certificate?

Speaker 12 (47:50):
I don't have one.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
You don't you never got a birth if it wasn't
printed when you were born, wasn't wasn't signed? And no? Right?

Speaker 12 (47:57):
No, well, my my mother declined to be the informer.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Right. And so when when you got when you're signing
up for your pension, how do they know you're sixty
five to get the pension?

Speaker 12 (48:07):
Well? And the family, for example, most families, perhaps not
all families, but most families have a book that carries
down through the generations, and in my particular family, it
was a Bible. So in the back of the Bible
I recorded all the live verse of the family for
the last couple of hundred years and so on. My

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appellation or what you call a Christian name, is recorded
in the back of the Bible. And then they go
to either the local minister or the local you know,
someone who is respected in the community, and he witnesses
that that name has been entered into the Bible on
that day, and that is as good as in legal terms,

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what you refer to as a birth certificate.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Right, okay? What about iod number? You're running an iod number, John.

Speaker 12 (48:59):
My legal fiction has one.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I don't okay, okay, you're running a sort of it's
how would you.

Speaker 12 (49:07):
Describe so I live in the common world, in the
common law world?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Right okay? And is it fun? We're having fun? Are
you having fun with that? Or do you find that
it creates more problems than itselves?

Speaker 12 (49:19):
It creates zero problems whatsoever?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Right, So, how did your interaction with the police officer
most recently.

Speaker 12 (49:28):
Now, that particular that particular ticket that I'm referring to.
I asked him to come back to me when he's
done right in the ticket, And so he came back
to me and I said, right on the bottom of
the ticket for the head office to have a good
throw the book at me, and he looked at me
rather strangely and said, shit, you really want me to
write that down there? I said, yeah, I said, it's

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going to be fun. So anyway, he does it, he
wishes me good day, he drives off. I keep going
about my business and my car still driving because I
haven't stopped yet. And eight days later I've got a
letter from the l TU say all charges were drawn.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Who who got a letter? Your physical flesh.

Speaker 12 (50:08):
Out, my physical flesh self letter in the letter box
addressed to me?

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yep, but not addressed. Was it addressed to you? Was
it addressed to your fictional? Your fictional?

Speaker 12 (50:22):
It was addressed to my appellation? My Christian name? Right,
two Christian names. This is completely addressed to my two
Christian names.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
So am I talking? Am I talking to flesh and blood?
Or am I talking to your legal fiction?

Speaker 12 (50:35):
No, you're talking to flesh and blood. And you see
your phone on the phone I'm bringing you on. Yes,
doesn't belong to me. I had to walk a mile
and a half up the road to my neighbor, and so, ship,
can I borrow your phone for five minutes? I appreciate
I want to have a chat to these blokes on
the radio.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Well, I appreciate you taking that time, your flesh and John.

Speaker 12 (50:54):
Yeah, So I have no license, no passport, no telephone,
no mobile phone, no bank account, no no bank card,
no nothing. You're free as a and I get along
in this world just fine. In fact, I think I
have more fun than this. Well, and maybe most people,
including yourself, they have to deal with the difficulties of

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the legal fiction wealth.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I'm just impressed that during myself, I'm impressed that someone else,
someone's folding up your money and putting it in an
envelope and sending it to you for your picture.

Speaker 9 (51:23):
John, Well, it doesn't quite work like that, but I
get it.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah right, Well, best of luck, and you know, please
bring back in. Could you get your could you get
your fictional?

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Would we ever be able to talk to your fictional?
How did you describe it? Sorry?

Speaker 20 (51:40):
John?

Speaker 12 (51:41):
Legal fiction?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Would we ever be able to talk to your legal fiction?
Or are we only permitted to talk to your flesh
and blood self?

Speaker 12 (51:48):
Well, you can't talk to a legal fiction because illegal
fiction is dead.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
So we'd have to write it doesn't do it, but
we could do right, could we write? Could we email
your legal fiction?

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (51:57):
I bet you don't have an email address.

Speaker 12 (51:58):
I don't have internet or email. We don't. I don't
have internet, so I don't have email.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
We could send it a letter though, you could send
the pigeon.

Speaker 12 (52:05):
You could send you could send send me us now
male letter in the posts, through the posts.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
But it's not to John. It's to your fiction or
your legal fiction.

Speaker 12 (52:15):
But I wouldn't answer it. You'retending it to me.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
You're an inspiration, John, You're a step ahead.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
John, You're a steper here.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
You're an absolute inspiration to all of us. And thank
you so much for walking then half to talk to us.

Speaker 12 (52:27):
I'm just a bloat enjoying the world to the best
of my ability, and I'm having a lot of fun
doing it.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Well, Look, you're an inspiration. Yeah, you go well with here, John,
you might be the New Zealand with the week POTENTI
you're there. What an interesting fellow John is if that's
his real name, but it's probably not so so his
CPR is not you know, Cardo Cardio, pulamonary resuscitation.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
It was what citizen person? What was the third one?
Can you remember that?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Lock?

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Citizen person?

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Recreational citizen person. Review breaths, great.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Cool John, Thank you very much for walking that mile
to find a phone to give us a buzz because
that was great stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
The Sticks says that guy was bloody, awesome, lover stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Interesting guy. Right, It is twenty pas.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
To taking your callman of John. But yeah, if you're
someone like John, we'd love to hear your story as well.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk zaid be.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Twenty three past two. There's been a heck of a
lot of techs come through for John, the flesh and
Blood John, I assume not the legal fiction.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Well the six is John is the best of us.
So I just split myself into two in tribute. Got
on that text that he was He was a hell
of a man. Let's put it that way. This sextas
is haha bred Brad. The Sticks of Brands says, haha,
best caller on your show to date. I guess in
this world where people can identify as anything they want.
John's just taking that upper notch flesh and bloody.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Legends, great ticks.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
And I've got a text from John. How is he
texting us from the phone that he walked up one
point five k supious? Oh no, he might be Yeah,
John here, it is actually my name.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Okay, okay, good to know that's the appellation as he
said in the back of the Bible. Right, we're taking
more of your calls on one hundred and eighty ten
eighty get a tim t that, Hey, nice to chat
with you. So you want to take it back to
the digital driver's license. You're not completely against that, well.

Speaker 21 (54:31):
And not completely It sounds fine to begin with, but
my argument is a kaki here, and I'm really they
introduced parking meters and now you can't use anything but
the payways. You can't use if caresh or if you
have to use paywaves really really trum.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, so you can't slide the card in, you just
have to wave it past, right, I can see what
I can see that why they do that because you
know you have to you know, it's an easier mechanism, right.

Speaker 21 (55:04):
It is, But not everyone wants to use that.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (55:07):
Yeah, so because it's accepted me, you can't use cash
or epos. So it means you can't pack anywhere unless
you have to go to the bank and force to
get one of these pat wave cards, which I don't
really trust them.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Well, this is what this is what people are saying.
It starts off as a convenience. It's kind of like,
you know, the incertification of you know, let's say, for example,
streaming services. You'll have a streaming service and you'll pay
you a subscription and then they'll suddenly they'll say upgrade
to no ads or something like that. So it seems

(55:43):
like a convenience. You bring something in and then suddenly
they take away things. So now they take away your
ability to pay for your parking and only you can
only do it in this supposedly incredibly convenient manner.

Speaker 21 (55:55):
Yeah, and they didn't really give any consultation about it,
and they did cost a whole lot to put in,
and they've got a lot of problems. And I think
things like that should be discussed and not because a
majority does it out of convenience that all of a
sudden you lose your civil rights to be able to
use cash or f post, which is still yeah, you

(56:17):
see what I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, I'm saying so you you think that with a
parking machine, it should have a slot for coins, it
should have the ability to swipe a card, and it
should have the ability to just to you know, payway.

Speaker 21 (56:33):
But then f bos which is still a valid form of.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
Money.

Speaker 21 (56:39):
I would have thought. But unless you've got to pay way,
if you can't use these.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Papers, and if they've got a search arge on the payway.

Speaker 21 (56:46):
Probably I don't know.

Speaker 13 (56:51):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 21 (56:52):
I just think it's like newspapers. Once everyone reads the
paper online or you know, semath radio, after a while,
the newspapers go by the wayside, and then the charges
go up on your phone. So once the competition's gone,
then you know, they can charge what they like and
you can objeck.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
It all comes in through convenience and safety, and then
someone sees an opportunity and next thing you know, it's
less convenient and less safe and more expensive.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
And we're all screwed. Yeah, yeah, thanks for you, cal Tim.
I appreciate it, Thank you very much. One hundred and
eighty ten eighty the number to call Julie.

Speaker 22 (57:32):
It's good afternoon, gentlemen, I hope you can hear me.
My pone is really bad.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
It sounds like it sounds like a needle on a record.

Speaker 22 (57:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's copper white. Now I don't have
the Internet. I totally agree with what John said. Good
on him, Yeah, good on him. He's a legend. But me,
I don't have the internet. It doesn't work where I
live down in the Rangaticki Valley. For to use my
cell phone, I've got to go and stand out on

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a log in the freezing cold at night.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Sorry, missed that while you I missed that. Sorry, Julie.
Why you're out on the log in the middle.

Speaker 22 (58:10):
Of the night this, I'm using my cell phone.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
The reception, yeah.

Speaker 22 (58:15):
Yeah, the reception absolutely not there. Yeah, so I got
to go out into the middle of the garden and
I'm really sorry about the phone.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
So you say you're on the log.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Now, you're on the log now, Julie, No, No, I'm on.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
The cobble wy that's.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Iually okay, cool, gotcha?

Speaker 22 (58:34):
Yeah yeah yeah. But as for pay Wave, I don't
trust I don't trust it. You said safety, that's rubbish.
You haven't got safety with the internet or anything else.
Lose your phone, you lose everything. So to me, to
have all that stuff on your phone is ridiculous. Your

(58:55):
safety is gone. So I just don't trust it. I
don't trust any of this technology at all. I'm seventy eight.
I'm still farming. I milk cow, and I like the
old way of rife. And I get all my bills
in the mail and the post office.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
How do you how do you do you? Are you
on the on the pension.

Speaker 22 (59:15):
Julie, Yeah, and that goes straight into my bench account.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I do have one of those, right, Okay, because I
want to.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
I want to. I'm going I haven't looked this up,
but it's one part of John's story that I questioned,
that there's someone at the government that's folding up money
and putting it in an envelope and sending it to John.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Believe that can't be a big part of the department.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
It's probably just one person and it's just for John.

Speaker 22 (59:39):
It probably does it himself.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, I'm sure he does.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Thank you for your call, Julian. Be careful on that
log late at night, trying to get reception sounds dangerous.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, right, headlines coming up. But if you want to
send a text nineteen ninety two. Is that number well
beat for you? Surely?

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Matd Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
S'b oh it is twenty eight to three. We're a
little bit late here, but we are talking about the
digital driver's licenses coming into play very soon. Does that
make you worried?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
We were mesmerized by John the legal fiction. Actually, I
think we're talking to the flesh and blood John. Yes,
and so I think we've gone over time. So I'll
just read a couple of text and we're gonna must
rush to the news. We do apologies. I reckon John's
talking bollocks. If you don't believe me, speed on your
way home and try his tactic. I challenge anyone who
believes that nonsense. See how that goes for whoever is

(01:00:34):
silly enough to try it, cheers Pat. Yes, So if
you do get pulled over by the police in your
car and they ask for your license, you try it
so that that I don't have a license because I'm John.
You're discussing illegal fiction.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, I'm not a legal person. You get in touch
with my legal fiction. Give it a crack nine two
ninety two is the text.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
The CPR is dead, as you said, that's.

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Right, use your appellation right, taking more of your calls
on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But the
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Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Thank you very much, Ray Lane, and we are talking
about the introduction of digital driver's licenses. The legislation has
been passed, so it is going to happen and the
government's just working out how it can take place over
the next couple of months. But does that worry you?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
M I tell you what someone worries. Someone's worried about something.
It's the running of this radio show. Okay, right, if
you can't read a watch, she should not be on
air here. They never forgets about adverts and she is
only one person. So that's talking about how we had
to rush into the news because we'd forgotten about a
break well, yeah, and here there's only one person, the's
two of us. She never she never forgets.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
No excuses. But as you said before, I mean John's story,
it was almost like the audio version of a lava lamp.
I just you know, got in the craziness of it all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Hi, guys, I feel if John is for real, then
he's probably under a social community connection and budgeting service
where that surface receives people's fault and gun. Then yes,
does dish out cash to live on for the week
after expenses are paid, and has authority read the same?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
There we go? That would be it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
I think a higher than zero part of John is
a satirist. Yeah, yeah, Leon, mate, how are we?

Speaker 9 (01:03:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
So what's your thoughts on the digital ID.

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
I'm just wondering if bouncers will adapt to the digital ID,
because I know at the moment they don't let you
in unless you've got that photo form of ID, whether
it be a passport or a driver's low.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Yeah, and then the problem becomes, would you hand your
phone to a bouncer so if it's unlocked, so you
can show the digital ID? Because right now, bouncers take
there that idea and they have close look at it,
don't they.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Shine the light on it?

Speaker 16 (01:04:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
And I've tried it in the past and they don't
accept it. Yeah, because I'm terrible if my card I've
lost my card, I can't find it anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
How old are you, Leon? Are you you push?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
You not?

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Seventeen?

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
No, I am thirty three, a free face, thirty three
vaguely vaguely got a bit of a receiver but ye,
holding on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
So you need to you need to accelerate that recepor
so you don't get hassled for ID going in the bars.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah, all or nothing, Leo.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
And trusting question, that's one of those. That's a good question, Leon.
It's one of those things, isn't it. Where you there's
always these gray areas and these you know, challenging parts
of something like that in society. So if all of
our ideas on our phone, then who are you willing
to hand your phone to once it's unlocked. Not a
lot of people. I probably wouldn't even want to do
I would probably don't even want to do that to

(01:05:06):
a police officer. No, I probaly wouldn't want to my
phone to a police officer when it was unlocked. Kind
of stuff I've got on my phone. Not surprised there
that would be bad news for you, mate, Leon. Thanks
for your call, Alistair. What do you reckon.

Speaker 13 (01:05:21):
This digital driver's license? I'm sorry, but hell's going to
freeze over before this fella has a digital diver's license.
Quite frankly, I'll be having the one on my wallet.
And that's it. Person. I do not have a PC
and I do not have a smartphone. I'm speaking to
you on a flip phone, so good luck. If I

(01:05:44):
want to send me a reminder or renewal for my
cars registration, it ain't going to happen. I live at
a bricks and mortar address and they can keep sending
it there. Otherwise it's not going to happen. Simple as that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Some of your stuff online? How much are you? How much?
Because I guess you've got a bank account obviously, Alistair?
Is that?

Speaker 13 (01:06:03):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
And so do you have to interact with that digitally?

Speaker 8 (01:06:09):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:06:09):
I do everything with the money machine. Don't do anything online.
Don't do online. I can't do online banking. I'm in
Julie's club. I'm seventy eight and I didn't grow up
with computers. I tried. I tried going with a smartphone
with that company that was supposed to be playing for fair,
but they weren't, and I dumped the bloody thing. Quite frankly,

(01:06:31):
I was pleased to get rid of it. It rode me nuts.
Couldn't get my head around the blasted things. So I'm
back with spark now and just a good old face
and flip phone with a few buttons.

Speaker 17 (01:06:40):
So here we.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Goes how old you how holds your flip phone? Alistair?

Speaker 13 (01:06:45):
It is? What do you call it? Something? Rather for
I think it's called it's recent recent yep, yep, so
no it works on what do they call it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Some you're not?

Speaker 13 (01:06:57):
The thing is called yeah, so it's not out of date.
But that's all I require, you know. And the startline
concerned if the government wants me to do things this way,
it's just too much bloody big brother and trying to
force you to sort of it's their way all the road. Basically,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
What would you do?

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
What do you watch? Do you watch?

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Are you watching television? You've got a television? Are you
watching free d It's called.

Speaker 13 (01:07:21):
Smart television set. The only trouble is it's not smart
because I'm not connected to the internet.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
They get pretty done if they need the Internet.

Speaker 13 (01:07:29):
Free free Who are televisions were actually did on the water?

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Is?

Speaker 13 (01:07:33):
Apart from country calendar and the odd other thing like
David Edinburgh stuff. I often wonder what I've got up
in the house. It's just a waste of space.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
So what are you doing? You're reading books? Is that
how you're interesting?

Speaker 13 (01:07:44):
To read a lot of books? And I have a
hobby that requires a lot of handwork and concentration.

Speaker 8 (01:07:50):
So yeah, so what's a hobby?

Speaker 13 (01:07:51):
Don't have a problem. I build model of aircraft.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
And slide a great hobby. Yeah, my dad's yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:07:58):
But yeah, I'm seventy eight. I'm one of these old
geezers and the government will be pleased when we've all
shuffled off our coil.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
So do you well, alistair? You it's not. If you
can build model airplanes and fly them, then you're you're
much smarter than most people, and definitely smart enough to
get your head around smartphones, smart TVs and all manner
of digital stuff. I mean, building a model airplane is

(01:08:25):
that's topic stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:08:27):
I build them from scratch, and I designed my own
stuff and build them as well. But no, I don't
donated my phone minus the little what do you call it?
The chip thing that goes in it to one of
the op shops, and so somebody else can.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Go, what's got clear? This flip phone of yours has
got a clear signal sounding good goodbye. It definitely works
as a phone.

Speaker 13 (01:08:46):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's fine and and that's all
I require, just a plain and simple yeah, as I say, Unfortunately,
these people that well, I'll say they name two degrees
playing for fear. They were not customer service in that place.
Seems to be a very strange concept. And all the
people in the shop and I'm in Richmond at the

(01:09:06):
top of the South Island, good place, all speaking which
is a second language, and they didn't want to help me,
didn't want to know. So I thought, well, it's got
to be like that. I'll go back to spark thinks.

Speaker 16 (01:09:17):
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
You know, you don't worry. You miss it out on
some good stuff online and Lestair, what about Clarkson's Farm
you'd love Clarksonstar. You can't get that on terrestrial TV.

Speaker 8 (01:09:27):
No, no, no.

Speaker 13 (01:09:29):
If I need to use a computer, I go over
and visit my sister and taple on the shoulder. But
I have to get her to set the machine up
and do everything for me, because if I sneeze or
do something wrong, I lose the connection or everything goes
hey wire. It takes a lot of practice if you're
going to get got at using a bloody digital device,
because that's what these modern so called cell phones are.

(01:09:51):
They're not they're handheld computers. They're devices, digital devices, phone
secondary devices first, and you need to spend about an
out to two hours a day every day on them
for about two or three months before you sort of
reason me competent. And I just haven't time for that
sort of nonsense, So do you go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
So there you go, thanks, Alistair. I would push back
on that. I'd say that your devices, it's almost a
problem how intuitive they are now. In fact, people expect
to be able to operate any part of their phone,
any app without instruction, menial anymore. Yeah, and that's one
of the great that's one of the things that Steve

(01:10:31):
Jobs really pushed for, right yep. Steve Jobs when he
when he was talking about talking to Apple, it was
always like, you should be able to work out how
to do this just intuitively.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Yeah, if you give your Apple phone to a toddler,
they'll be able to figure it out. It's it's that easy.
But Alista, thank you very much and good luck with
the model airplanes. What a great hobby. Oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number of call. We
better take a quick break, but we'll be back very shortly.
It's quarter to three.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
They'd be very good. Afternoon, Jude is twelve to two three, Allan,
you want to have a chat about the digital driver's license.

Speaker 23 (01:11:09):
Hello, well it Oh you're there, yes, yeah, just briefly
while you're still on there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
payWave.

Speaker 23 (01:11:19):
It's not guaranteed. You lose your license, your phone, somebody
pick up and use it. Banks won't repay you the
money's gone, but you've got payWave open unsecure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
In the past, I had my phone my card stolen
and it was used at a SEVI station. It was
used in another couple of places and this was an
Z bank. They refunded me the money.

Speaker 23 (01:11:48):
Oh well, you're very lucky because inquired of our bank
B and Z and they said, no, you've got payWave.
You've opened up your account, so we've locked the off payWave.
We don't have payWave on our cards.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
That would be easier on you know, with the physical cards,
wouldn't it, Ellen, rather than the do so because I've
got my cards on my phone. If someone wants to
access that, they need my fingerprint. So with the old
physical cards it's actually easier to steer your money via payWave.

Speaker 23 (01:12:18):
Yeah, it was just a point anyway. As for digital,
I have my phone. I've left my phone behind a
couple of times in the past, and I've dropped it
in the border and it begs it up too, doesn't work,
so you've lost the game. They am one hundred percent foolproof.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Yep, no fair enough to Ellen. Thank you very much
for giving us a buzz. Do you agree with Ellen?
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty A couple of
texts coming through A nine two, nine to two. This
one says, gooday, guys, I want to know, how is
it that John has been pulled over two hundred plus
times by police officers in the last forty years. He
clearly isn't the frequent driver there. It goes back to

(01:12:58):
old John, just one name only and his fictional legal self.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Dan says, guys, with those parking machines, you can also
pay on your phone bill by entering your number or
using an app. Tech moves on. Can't keep old tech
going just because some people refuse to keep up to date,
says Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Yep, I think there's something in that as well. Keep
those techs coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Google says he is using legal fiction wrong. Nice try
though well. Legal fictions are legitimate legal tools. The Sovereign
Citizen movement and correctly uses the concept to claim they
can opt out of laws which courts have consistently rejected.
I mean, yeah, I mean obviously everyone within New Zealand
is subject to the laws of New Zealand. That's right, obviously.

(01:13:39):
I mean you can argue you're not, but as soon
as you come up against the authorities, they will heavily
argue that you are.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, it's not going to end well for you, right,
Keep those teas coming through A nine two, nine to
two big very shortly. It is nine to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Three the issues that affect you and if it have
fun along the way.

Speaker 8 (01:13:55):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Be it is seven to three gheta James go not
too bad. What's your thoughts.

Speaker 19 (01:14:06):
I think people are overlooking the whole thing about being
on your phone. It's all it is is an access
to a database. So it doesn't matter whether it's your
phone a card, that doesn't matter. The cops already have
it now, it's just an easier way of doing it.
So like when a cop pulls you over, they scan
your red jade, you know, they take a look at it.
They know exactly who you are. When I bet you

(01:14:28):
even when it's even now, if they pulled you over,
you could just say you name your address and all that,
but look it up on the database and know exactly
who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yeah, So it's just getting rid of that stupid legislation.
As you say, they've already got the information, but the
legislation stored in that if you don't physically carry it
you can be fined fifty bucks. I think it is.
It's just getting rid of that part of it all.

Speaker 19 (01:14:47):
Well, that's it. And also you know people, you know,
they say they're going to have to give something to
a bouncer or give someone to a cop.

Speaker 17 (01:14:52):
You won't.

Speaker 19 (01:14:53):
There'll be there'll probably be a QR code or a
barcode in the phone and they'll scan it and up
on their screen will be a picture of you know,
your pretty face, and that'll all be stored in the database.
So there's no you know, this whole I'm going to
give my phone away. You done, You'll have a code
that will be scanned and that that's what it will be,
you know, but anything you like, the Bounces will probably

(01:15:14):
have access to some sort of a restricted database where
they would as well scan your phone and up on
their device would be a picture of you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
So you don't concern you don't have any concerns. I mean,
of course the police had that database. I mean I've
noticed that, you know, I've added that before when i
haven't had my license and I've been pulled over. They
seemed to be able to pull it up immediately. But
would you be comfortable with bounces having that kind of information?

Speaker 19 (01:15:36):
Well, if it was regulated well, and you know, if
they had access to that database, because you know, people
that have received a certain training and the establishments up
to a certain certain standard, and it's got CCTV and
all these things to protect you as a person, then
what's the problem. All they're doing is seeing because because
remember they said that they would have. There will be

(01:15:58):
a restricted amount just showing your data birth. So if
it was just if they scanned it and all they
saw was a picture of you and your data birth,
which is all they require, there's no problem with that,
is he?

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
No, they wouldn't be. You're right, good point? Yeah yeah,
this Texas says Hi guys texting from a click button nockire.
I'm twenty six, but I grew up in poverty and
without the convenience of technology. As I've left home and
fending for myself, I felt the extra money you need
to buy and run a smartphone was not too much
justify my phone bill is only nine dollars a month.
But sadly is just another thing that we make it

(01:16:30):
harder for poorer people, as it really has slowly becoming
the norm. You can get a you can get a
smartphone that can do most things for not much. Some
of them are about the same as your click button
nockia Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
If you stay offline, then it's still going to cost
you nine bucks a month.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
All right. Then that brings us into the topic, doesn't
It certainly does. So, whether you like it or not,
everything is going digital. It's just so much cheaper and
more convenient than analog and physical. It's email versus snail mail,
isn't it, Tyler. It's only going to go one way. Unfortunately,
whilst that means more convenience, sometimes choosing convenience comes with reliance.
Pretty soon you can't go anywhere without your anxiety inducing,

(01:17:09):
brain rotting phone. Luckily, we're also horribly addicted to the bastards.
Most of us won't care or notice.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
What a positive note to end on you one. What
a great discussion that was. Thank you very much to
everyone who called in text on that one. New Sport
and Weather is coming up and a little bit more
Michael Jackson for you into the news Man in the mirror.
What a lovely song you're listening to. Matt and Tyler,
stay right here. It will be back very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Make big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 8 (01:17:51):
Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Seven pass three greats. Have your listening and so we
didn't get to this yesterday and we will get to
it right now. Greg Davies, incredibly famous and very funny
well known comedian, He's opened up about a struggle he
faced after an almost twenty kilogram weight loss, So the
fifty seven year old turned to ozempic after receiving a

(01:18:15):
warning from his doctor. The task Master presenter City opted
for the medication after his doctor warned he would look
obese if it weren't for his six foot eight inch frame,
but after shooting the pounds, he decided to stop using
the medication. Speaking to the Times, he said, I quote
three stone fell off me, but I didn't really like it.
It made me a bit gaunt and a little bit unhappy. Now,

(01:18:37):
Mike Cosking and Ryan Bridge, we're having a chat about
this during the crossover this morning. Here's a little bit.

Speaker 24 (01:18:43):
And then if there's something just quite perverse about this
whole thing that is human beings, we over indulge to
the point where we become morbidly obese, and the only
way to stop it is to take a jab.

Speaker 10 (01:18:53):
It was always going to be the way. The moment
you can produce a pill, and that's the pill now
as opposed to the jab, the moment you can produce
a pill that solves your problem, you'll take it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
The interesting thing though, is people are taking the JAB
and it's solving their weight problem, but more and more
we're finding that it is not solving the happiness problem.
They don't they imagine that when they lose their weight,
they'll feel amazing, everything in their life will be right
because they can now fit into size twenty eight waste pants, yes,

(01:19:23):
as opposed to size forty or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah,
but it doesn't seem to play out like that. So
you know, have you tried these weight loss drugs and
have they led to the happiness that you thought they
would or is that not the point? You're not doing
it for the happiness.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I mean, it must be a lot of people doing
it for that happiness thing that as you say, you know,
granted it's a health thing, but most people when they
have got a challenge in front of them and they
look and say, if I can get to this point,
then I will be happy with my life and what
I've got going on.

Speaker 20 (01:19:57):
And a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Overweight people would feel that, no doubt about it, that
if they get down to this particular weight, all my well,
most of my problems will be solved. And then when
you've got what is effectively a s short cuts. Yeah,
and you don't have to work for it. You don't
really have to change too many habits. This injection does
a lot a lot of that for you. Then, is
that still the same satisfaction when you get down to

(01:20:20):
the weight.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Yeah, Well, the thing is that you have lost the weight,
but you haven't got the benefits that you might get
from the exercise and the eating healthy, and also the
sense of fulfillment that you've achieved something. Right, you know
that you've taken a shortcut. It's like when someone whips
something up on ai and hands it in and someone goes,
that's good. You know you didn't do it, so you

(01:20:44):
don't get you don't You You've got a result, but
you don't necessarily feel the same sense of pride you
would if you went about it the for want a
better word more analog way, it's chasing fulfillment is often
more stable and meaningful than just chasing happiness. So if

(01:21:06):
it's more fulfilling, I would say, but much harder. And
that's the reason why it is more fulfilling, that it
is harder to lose weight the old fashioned way, right,
So maybe that's why it's not leading to the happiness. Also,
people will probably walk around and go, well, all my
problems are because I'm overweight, and then they lose the
weight and they go, oh, no, that wasn't all my problems.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Yeah, yeah, that would be a reality for a lot
of people.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
People aren't as excited at me as they as I
thought they would be. Yeah, this is an interesting thing.
I shared it to you in the break. Do you
think I should share it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I think you should share it. Yeah, I think it's
very good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Okay, So this is an analysis of the attitudes towards
weight between the four most famous generations that we talk
about at the moment, right yep. So this is what
boomers say would have said what boomers say when it
comes to weight. You could lose a few pounds. That's
what a boom would say, straight to the point, you
could use it, lose a few pounds. Millennials they say,

(01:22:05):
that's the people at utiland Millennials they say, no, or
beautiful as you are.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
It's pretty spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Actually, gen Z say, we don't body shame. Of course
you're not overweight. M yep. Gen X say I know
five people, I know five fat people, and your three
of them. And that's that's the difference between the that's
the difference between the generations Boomers, Millennials, Gen Z, and

(01:22:31):
Gen X according to according to this analysis.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Your generation mate, it's not a bad line, but that
is brutal Generation X. Do you agree?

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Why is my generation so nasty?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Oh hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.
So if you have lost weight, whether it's via ozepic,
we go V or you've done the hard yards, how
did you feel at the end of it, and particularly
if you're on some of those weight loss drugs. Did
you genuinely feel better about your life when you lost
all of that weight or did you feel that because
you didn't really have to put in the effort that
it wasn't quite as satisfying as putting in the hard yards.

(01:23:04):
One hundred eighty ten eighties and number to call it's
twelve past three. Used talk z'd be it is a
quarter past three.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
As the tattooed pom worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
It's a great line.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
We've got a tattooed pom running the phones in THEO.
There he's worth it. You're worth it.

Speaker 8 (01:23:18):
Lock.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
It's a beautiful tatoo mate, and you're a beautiful pomp.
Oh eight it's the number care We are talking about
losing weight via the likes of we go v or
a zimpak, So the fact that it made things a
lot easier for you effectively a shortcut. A lot of
people would say, what was it like when you finally
dropped all that weight? Did it make you happy? And
will you satisfy it?

Speaker 8 (01:23:39):
Woody?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
How are you mate?

Speaker 9 (01:23:41):
Yeah, you're gonna I'm still having to laugh at that.
I know, five set people in your three is miss.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Brutal, absolutely brutal, but hilarious.

Speaker 9 (01:23:51):
I've got I've got an old English friend of mine
and his mother. His mother had to say twice around,
who's month around? The guest works forgiven? But anyway, Yeah,
I've just I've just torn twelve ki the six months
from ninety seven down to down about eighty sort of

(01:24:12):
three points something.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
How tall are you? You don't mind me asking?

Speaker 9 (01:24:17):
I think on one seventy eight?

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Oh yeah, eighty three eighty three is pretty good. I
mean you went, you went massively overweight twelve ninety five,
one seventy eight, what's that?

Speaker 9 (01:24:29):
Five ten ninety yeah something like that?

Speaker 8 (01:24:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:24:35):
I love I love my foot, I love my food,
I love my training, yep, but the food was kind
of starting to win out a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:24:43):
But damn, I'll tell you what. You hit the goal
and you go should I work hard and I got it,
and I feel good about myself. I couldn't personally. I
couldn't take a pill on the daily and say I
feel good about myself. I've achieved it. For some people,
it might suit personally for me, I just there's nothing

(01:25:03):
but hard work. Really hard work pays off and in
a number of ways. You know, it pays off cycle, logically, physiologically,
it's kind of an all round thing. You get out
and have a bit of a job, or you're going
to have a workout, do some hard work, expend some energy.
It's priceless. It puts you in a better frame of
mind on the daily.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Yeah, but what it is really hard work. Though. Someone
that's let's say thirty kg overweight just to make up
a number, they're looking at that and they're going, this
is a massive mountain to climb, just to be that
discipline for that long to lose it. So whilst if
you pull that off, you've got an amazing sense of

(01:25:41):
achievement and congratulations. You drop in that twelve kg and
the hard work you did, You've got that sense of fulfillment.
But for some people it might just be beyond them.

Speaker 9 (01:25:52):
Yeah, there's a mindset that goes with achieving. And I'm
not by any means a super successful, wealthy anything. I'm
just leverage every day Joe. But once you once you
have a little achievement and you get used to that feeling,
it becomes a little bit easier to achieve again and again.
But if you, I mean, we don't we don't get

(01:26:14):
big by doing the right thing. We get big by
doing the wrong thing. And it's just a series of
decisions in a row to get us there. And there
is a there is a there is a mind shift
that takes place, you know, to get different results. So
once they start happening, it's it's definitely a good place
to be. I mean, I can understand, you know, some

(01:26:37):
it's maybe a little bit too much for some people.
I get that. But if you give yourself a chance
to succeed and you and you get a taste of it,
it's yeah, it's rewarding for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Yeah, And and what what so you your main reason
why you were so hard to lose weight. What he
was it around health or was it around appearance?

Speaker 6 (01:26:59):
Or well I was fifty five.

Speaker 9 (01:27:02):
My dad died at sixty two. There's a lot of
heart disease on my dad's side of family around that age.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:27:11):
I've got a ten k race series coming up this year,
starting fairly soon, so kind of just you know, I think,
you know, life's knocking on my door a little bit, Yeah,
a bit of you know, I'll give up some other
bad habits years ago, and I'm just kind of just
trying to hit in the right direction. Really, there's not
as many sunrises left as this is what I've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
The realization which comes quite late for us males, but
the realization that we're mortal is as quite a motivation.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Is fast and hard.

Speaker 9 (01:27:42):
It comes through it. I mean, I'm getting I'm closer
to retirement, you know, and I got it. It dawns
on your real quick. Yeah, it comes upon you real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Certainly does. Yeah, good on you anyway. Yeah, appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks for giving us a buzz.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Hey, just guys, just a quick question, says this text.
Why would you ask the are you taking a weight
loss drug to make yourself feel more happy about yourself,
But wouldn't ask this question? Are you taking your blood
pressure and medicine to feel more happy about yourself? Why
is one seen to be a reasonable question to ask
the other or not? Aren't they both medical conditions? No

(01:28:16):
prejudice much?

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Well, I didn't see any difference between those two things.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Why you're putting together an equivalence we never made?

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Yeah, so what about ism there? Yeah, but it seems
you've made the point. I mean, it's exactly the same
with most people with blood pressure. You can make lifestyle
changes to drastically lower your blood pressure to make yourself
more healthy.

Speaker 8 (01:28:35):
Same deal.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
That's the same deal that you've got to put the
work in and make some habits, and then when you
get into a healthy state and lower your blood pressure,
that's going to feel even more sweet because you put
the effident.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
And also the discussion that this has sprung off, or
that we're springing off as Greg Davis saying that he
lost three stone, which is about twenty kg's and it
didn't make him happier and he expected it would. So
that's specifically what we're talking about. Yeah, So, and i'd
also push back on this text fat jokes really, I

(01:29:06):
hope you rotten hell, you weasel, well we all jokes.
Wasn't us making fat jokes. I was just reading out
an analysis.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
It was a whole generation that matter is a part of.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Of what gen X would say as opposed to lovely
millennials like Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Keep those things coming through and taking your calls. I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. So taking the likes of
we go the ro o zim pic? Did it make
you happy when you shard the weight? Share your stories
on our eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's twenty one
past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Twenty three past three. So if you managed to lose
weight with the likes of ozempic, did it make you happier?
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is number to.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
Call Marlene, welcome the show. You're taking what we'll go
over you right now? Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Not right now, but you're on a on a program.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
Yes, we'll be a bit strikes to do it right now,
but okay I.

Speaker 8 (01:30:01):
Gon't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Yeah, so yes, I started on it out of their desperation.
So I'm fifty six years old, I am one point
seven seven meters high, and I weighed one hundred and
five kilos and that was not so. I had breast
cancer ten years ago and because of that, I am

(01:30:26):
not allowed to take any hormone replacement therapy. So menopause
hit me really bad and I couldn't take any men medication.
But I filed on the weight and when I saw
my doctor, I see him, look, I'm desperate. I just
want to move easier. For me. It's about I'm a

(01:30:47):
happy fatty, but I just want to move easier. That's
the thing. And so my doctor put me on were
Go VI. I've taken. Now, I'm on my third shot.
I've lost six kilos. I am now ninety nine kilos.
I've got another twenty to go to get to my

(01:31:08):
ideal weight. And it's the best thing I've ever done
for myself. I am still happy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
So you're having that that goes back to that thing
wherever you go that you are, so you were happy.
You're happy where you were, so you're going to be
happy where you end up. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
I'm a pretty happy person. I've got a happy disposition,
So my weight doesn't make me happy or sad. I
just want to move easier. And you will not believe
the six kilos I've dropped. And it's the first time
in probably five years that I've got ankles again. My
ankles were stolen from the menopause, and just I was

(01:31:52):
so bloaty. I'm gonna yeah, I let you. I cannot
believe it. I keep on saying to people, check my ankles,
and I think I'm really weird.

Speaker 16 (01:32:02):
Beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
Yeah, it's a beautiful thing, but people don't understand if
you haven't seen those for a number of years, to
see it again, it's amazing and it just makes me
walk up a bit straighter. It just makes me feel
a bit better. But I'm not happier. I was happy
in any case. But I'm going to bite the bullet
and do it. And I can already see the changes

(01:32:26):
to my health. I'm healthier, and yeah, so I've got
another twenty kilos to go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
And do you have a plan for when you've lost
that extra twenty kilos? When you're down to what do
you want to get down? Do you want to get
down to? What is that at eighty is it about
eighty yep.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
Yeah, then I don't have a plan yet. I understand
you've got to do a maintenance those to keep there,
but I'm already because it takes the food noise away.
Where I would previously say go to a coffee shop
and decide, okay, I want to flat white plus one
sugar plus this. Now I just go no, I want

(01:33:03):
half a flat white. I don't want sugar because I
just I get slight nausea when I eat certain foods.
But I don't have a plan yet.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
But when you're off, when you're off, then that that noise,
that food noise will come back, will come back.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
That will come back. That's the thing. So it's not
a magic it's not a magic metasine. People need to
understand it's going to be maintenance. You can't just go
back to what you're doing now, and I just can't.
It's it's been such an issue for me at that weight,
at one hundred and five. People say to me, but

(01:33:44):
you don't look overweight, and I go, yeah, because you
haven't seen me what I used to look like before
all this happened to me. So people just say, no,
you're not and I don't know if it's just this,
do people find that to make you feel better? But
it was for me about moving easier, and I can
already see it. So I am just I love it,

(01:34:07):
and I know it's expensive, but it's something I'm doing
for myself and my house.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Well am I getting more expensive Marlene? When you have
to buy clothes for a person that's seventy nine kgs?

Speaker 17 (01:34:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
Well, yesterday my husband saw me at night and he
looked at me and he said, you can't wear that again.
You look really bad. So yeah, that's six kilos has already.
I'm the first time I cannot tell you guys in
probably ten years that I'm under one hundred kilos. I
cannot believe it. And I'm going to just bite the

(01:34:43):
bullet and do it. And I'm still happy. I don't know,
I'm happy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Yeah, good on you, Marlene, thanks for calling.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Well done. Are you like Marlene O one hundred and
eighty ten eighty if you've been taking ozen pic all
week OV or one of the other weight loss drugs,
were you always happy and this has just made life
a little bit easier for you? Or do you subscribe
that you've got to put in the hard work if
you want the real satisfaction and lasting change.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
Unless this Texas says you have been truly obese and
had a true ongoing weight issue, you have no idea
what it's like to live in a big body. The
hard work you speak of is absolute ball. How language,
Big people still have to work hard, regardless of injections.
Obesity is far more complex than eat less. Move more.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Okay, do you agree with that? Texture? Come on through
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Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
The trump Ons are on. Hey Tyler, I've got something
I need to share with you before we get back
to this topic. Please. Now, a lot of people that
listen to the show will be a fan of the
New York Times Games. Yes, you know the the Mini.
You got wordle, you got connections, You've got strands three time.
I go through and do them every morning.

Speaker 8 (01:37:12):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
And I've just got to I've just got to inform
everyone how fast I got the Mini this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Oh get out of town twenty three seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Oh you got to do it under a minute, or
you're open it yet or you're dumb. Okay, if you
don't get it under a minute, yeah, but twenty three seconds,
you know, see when someone sees that, like, I've never
got it under fifty fifty seconds. Quite often I'm in
that band between fifty in a minute, sometimes over a minute.

(01:37:41):
And then I'll say, you know, just go to sleep,
because the day's over for you, tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
If you've lost today, if.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
You go over a minute, and you might as well
just go back to be off.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Wrap it up. It's all over for that day. Just
just finish it and try again tomorrow. But twenty three seconds,
that's like no mistakes, you're just boom boom boom boo bom.
Al Right, I'll give it a test soon and see
how I go. But back to our discussion about we
go vi o zimpacks. So Greg Davies, very well known comedian,
the presenter on task Master over in the UK. Of course,
he said he has been on ozmpic, but he's gone

(01:38:10):
off the medication now because he said it made him
feel a bit gaunt and didn't actually make him happy.
It made him less happy than he was before. He
went on that medication. So was that what you experienced?
O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call Peter, Welcome the show.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
So you were on the weight loss meds. Is that correct?
We've just started, Yes, just started.

Speaker 16 (01:38:28):
So been a diabetic. I qualified for an injection called
true civity, and it's essentially the same thing. It's not
as kind of potent. It's system injection once a week
does help where your blood sugar levels. It curbs your Yeah,

(01:38:51):
you want to eat, so it's kind of really really
weird on that. So you just don't feel hungry, but
you have to force yourself to eat, but wise you
become constipated.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
So it's good motivation.

Speaker 16 (01:39:04):
Yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
So and all, Yeah, it's the reverse for me.

Speaker 16 (01:39:09):
Yeah, God knows how many years you have been that way.
You're so used to eating breakfast, lunch, dinner, but you
just don't feel like eating. So you have to force
yourself to eat because one, you need the muscle that
you're gonna lose, yeah, which always two. So it's kind
of really weird. And I'm only six weeks in, so

(01:39:29):
I don't know what why waiters, I haven't weighed myself
but definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Then you can see it in you. You can see
it in your clothes. Yeah, massively and and just just
just Peter, Peter, just before you go on. Sorry, So,
had you tried other forms of weight loss, had you
tried like traditional fund what's that.

Speaker 16 (01:39:54):
Exercising? You don't? You know, sports and all that, and
you know as you get older, that slips away and
you are what you eat. Excuse me for where I am.
But the other motivation motivation. If I was to lose
twenty kilos rather quickly, that's twenty kilos that I'm not

(01:40:15):
lugging around, which has added to your motivation to do
a little bit more than to get you off the
couch and do the things because you're no longer carrying
that massive twenty kilo brick around every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
I can understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:40:33):
Yeah, So in the last six weeks, I have more
energy at the end of the day than I used to.
My knees so to stick aren't so bad. I'm definitely
gonna have to change my wardrobe, but I feel better.
But I still have to watch what I eat. I
have to cut down my watch my sugar and take
and what I'm putting in the God. But I think

(01:40:56):
a lot of people to say you're cheating. But for
a lot of people, as I was saying, if you're
losing twenty kilos quickly, we're doing nothing. That's twenty kilos
that you don't have to lug around.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Yeah, well you imagine you imagine twenty twenty blocks of butter,
just carrying around twenty one killer box of butter. The
amount of energy that you you have to put into
to doing that and you're doing Did you say you're
doing weights as well at the same time, Do I
hear that or I just know I'm.

Speaker 16 (01:41:26):
Just talking about weights. I'm just using you know, just
doing extra where I've got motivation to do. At the
end of the day, I've got the energy that I'm
not sitting there at seven o'clock going.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Because because one of the things about losing weight the
traditional way is that you will become fitter or put
on muscle, you know that there's there's another benefit to
it just than the weight loss. So do you get
advised when you go on the weight loss meds to
do exercise as well? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:41:56):
You have to.

Speaker 16 (01:41:56):
Yeah, it's it's kind of like a given fact that
I think another motivation for large fat people. I'll say
it as if we shop it and shops, if we
lose ten to fifteen kilos, we can now shop the
shop that most people can kind of shop at. And
that's a massive motivation. I no longer have to go

(01:42:19):
to Johnny Big. I can now guard to Hellenstein's. I
can you know what I mean? Yes, Like I look online,
used to look online. I know my answers, I know
my centimeters. Oh buy that online because I know normal
shops won't have it. Now I can walk.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Are you committed, Peter to keep it off once it's off?

Speaker 7 (01:42:42):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
I can. Is it possible to commit to commit to that?

Speaker 16 (01:42:48):
Yeah? You know, I think so. Like I said, I'm
only six weeks, you know, and I wanted to work.
But most of what I'm taking as from the diabetic
side of things, so I wasn't taking care of my buds.
Of us say the pill way. This way just gets
you one shot a week. And honestly, my bloods are

(01:43:10):
gone from doubles to single figures in that time. And
that's a massive thing. And if I had zeo, thought'd like, oh,
nothing from the night before, And now I taste pick
my bloods that evening. The next evening, my bloods are
dangerously home, so I have to be still be careful.

(01:43:30):
What you jest, you know, it's it's kind of crazy,
but yeah, that's what I'm doing. It's going to keep
me around the.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Locker and well we want that lata.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Yeah, and you sound pretty happy. I got to say, Peter,
you know that's where we started this conversation. You sound
pretty chipper and happy.

Speaker 16 (01:43:48):
Yeah, it's what you make it right. If I'm not
going in there going this is going to answer all
my prayers. I'm still the same person. I'm still wearing
clothes that or two baggy and I know I have
to upgrade, but I'm not not going to go I'm
going to get a do this as I'm going to

(01:44:08):
buy a new bike. Blah blah blah. You know it's yeah,
I'm still the same person. So I get why some
people change. And I've seen mate Bate said, I've last
to extremely a lot about a weight and their hands
and split upper.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Yeah no, no longer got a little bit og.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Yeah. Well, thank you for you, cor Peter. And you
don't sound constanbated either, but appreciate good luck with your journey. Yeah,
absolutely think you appreciate it, Youl. Did I say fifty? Do
I say butter? I thought I said cheese anyway, but
did I say butter?

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
You said butter?

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
I meant cheese. But it still works.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Yeah, you can say forty blocks of butter.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
Yeah, so I often think about that. So if you
if you I was running a marathon last year and
I thought I'll lose ten kgs and I just kept
imagining if I'm running a marathon, I don't want to
carry ten, you know, blocks of tasty Mainland cheese or
whatever around with me. You know, Yeah, that's if you
think about like that. But it works as well with butter.
It's just half just double it, yeah, easy math. Yeah,

(01:45:12):
you don't want to carry twenty of them round? Yes,
spot on. I thank you for pointing that out, that
I that I that I got that wrong. I love
being pointed out that I've got things wrong. Yeah, you
get an idiot. Keep those sticks coming through nineteen ninety two.
Keep myself will be paid very shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
I love you, mate. It is nineteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk
sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
It is sixteen to four. So if you've used those
in pic we go VI any of those weight loss
to rags. How did it make you feel when you
lost that weight? Did you feel that satisfaction? Or is
the traditional way of losing weight better? At eight one
hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
Eighty Jason as AzID be paid to talk about as
zimpic about wasteline. Are we I'm not getting paid to
talk about this, I mean neither. Who's getting that money's?

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Oh, you don't want to slice of that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
If there's money, there's money being paid.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Locke, do you know anything about this money?

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
That's we were just talking about it because we thought
it was interesting to people and it related to something
in the news. But if if those impacts listening and
they want cash for comment, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
In yes, me too. Kate? How are you.

Speaker 17 (01:46:13):
Hi?

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Am good?

Speaker 12 (01:46:14):
Thanks?

Speaker 8 (01:46:14):
How are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Thanks for ringing ringing? So both you and your husband
are trying some weight loss meds. Is that correct?

Speaker 11 (01:46:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:46:24):
So I had very very ACTA three years ago, and
lots of people eighty and then and then put it
all back on plus more and and then I I
Type two diabetes. So I went on to we Gove

(01:46:44):
as soon as it came out, Yes, and I lost
a little bit of weight, not a lot. And then
I went when Montjarro came online, which is a slightly
different one, and I've lost I've gone from a size
twenty four down to a size fourteen and about eight months.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Wow.

Speaker 15 (01:47:06):
And now my husband's on it and he's been on
it for four months and he's dropped twenty kilos?

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
Are right?

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
That's not so? How many? How many kilos did you lose?
So going from twenty four to size fourteen? What would
that be in kilo terms?

Speaker 15 (01:47:24):
About forty forty kilos?

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:47:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
That is incredible.

Speaker 15 (01:47:31):
It is. And I got to say, if the first
one doesn't work, is a different one that's out there now.
But it should be funded. It's costing a for fortune
and the amount of money will save by having your
weight off and diabetes treatment and that comes with that,
it should be funded.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
Okay, with the with the bariatric surgery, So was it
a gaestric bypass or or now they call it a
sleeve sleeve sleeve? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? And so and so
how did he and how did that not, So why
do you think that didn't work?

Speaker 15 (01:48:10):
Because you don't seem because with that, you kind of
learn you can eat such a small amount. You sort
of learn, you know, what you can eat, and you
can tolerate chocolate, but you can't tolerate fiber or protein
and stuff. So you know, it's really weird. And yeah,
you feel good initially, and then you know, you get
into your exercise. I did a couple of marathons and stuff,

(01:48:31):
and you know, that was really great, wow, good, and
it just creeps it just creeps back on because you
haven't really changed your habits, and.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
That you're worried that you won't have changed your habits
with these meds because at some point you have to
come off them, don't you.

Speaker 15 (01:48:46):
Well they say that for some people. Don't you'll stop
losing what they call food noise st.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So what do I mean by food noise?
I mean that's just the cravings, just eating.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
It's just foods, going eat me, eat meat all the time, right,
is that?

Speaker 5 (01:49:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:49:08):
I wake up in the morning, I'm thinking about what
I'm going to have for backs of lunch and dinner,
and I'm thinking about you know, a chocolate bar, or
if I'm at the shop something and that just stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
So if we go back to the the you know,
the the guesstric sleeve or whatever it was you had,
because we're talking about the idea of when you lose
that weight where the happiness that you expect comes with it.
So did did that happen? You said you were running
marathons and stuff. Uh, and and did you did you
get did you experience the happiness that that you expected

(01:49:43):
having lost the weight?

Speaker 14 (01:49:44):
I did?

Speaker 15 (01:49:45):
No, I really did the outside match the inside that
long watch? Yeah, yeah, that's I used to describe a
church and my mates. It was all about, you know,
just yeah, I could fit clothes, I could go shopping,
I could I could go and I went to dream
World and Movie World and could go on the rides.
And so you get your life back?

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
And did you feel gutted with yourself when then you
were back up up in the weight after after that?

Speaker 17 (01:50:15):
I did.

Speaker 15 (01:50:16):
It took me a little while to actually realize that
I was putting that weight back on. Yeah, I know
that sounds sleep yep, you know, sort of suddenly it
was like it didn't happen overnight, obviously, but it felt.

Speaker 13 (01:50:27):
Like it did.

Speaker 25 (01:50:28):
Yeah, incremental and yeah, yeah, and it was just yeah,
you sort of realized and I'm going up in size
and you know, yeah, just it just piled back on.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Well, thank you so much for bringing in and all
the best for you and your husband, Kate. Thanks for that.
Yes for sharing your story.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Absolutely seemed to work out very well, so appreciate it.
It is eleven minutes to four, beg very surely the.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk said.

Speaker 4 (01:50:59):
Be.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
It is eight to four. Hecky, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 26 (01:51:04):
Good eye guys, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Good mate? Good to chat. So you are on week
OV and you've been on it for almost three months now, yeah, yeah, three.

Speaker 26 (01:51:14):
Months and I'm probably losing about a kg a week
at the moment. So it's it really is a game changer,
you know. It's no effort, just just doing some light
walking and just feel feeling a lot better in myself,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
Yeah. So what weight were you were you at before
you started on the week OV.

Speaker 26 (01:51:38):
I was about one hundred and six right, so yeah,
I'm about tending cage's.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Down Wow, teen kg over ten weeks. Yeah, well you
did say.

Speaker 26 (01:51:48):
It's fantastic, and mainly the evenings. You know, I run
a business and it's been stressful the last couple of years,
so there's a lot of emotional eating and at nighttime,
you know, I just don't have that hunger. And to
be honest with you, it actually saves money. People say, oh,
that's expensive, but you know, when you're sopping at bakeries
every day and going through drive throughs, it adds up.

(01:52:10):
So three hundred and seventy dollars a month not actually
that much money.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Yes, that's a fear point.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
Actually.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
So you're down to about ninety six now and you
mentioned light walking, but are you going to get a
bit of an exercise regime going when you lose a
bit more wet?

Speaker 14 (01:52:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:52:26):
Yeah probably hopefully the wife keeps me busy.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Yet they always do. Yeah, But is that part of it?

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
You get what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Obviously you're feeling good because you're losing that weight, but
in terms of you know, those those changes in habit,
is that part of the we go V program or
you kind of just just run your own pass it?

Speaker 17 (01:52:46):
Definitely?

Speaker 26 (01:52:46):
I mean the doctors are really good, you know, they
say you need to be doing exercise, and obviously still
you don't want to beat in a lot of cards
or fatty food because you do get like a bit
of cramping in your stomach, but that passes and you
just you just like that. I think Pizza said before,
losing that ten kg's has given me the the incentive

(01:53:09):
to actually get down the gym now, you know, and
get moving again.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
Good on you, Good on you, Hickey, and best of
luck with your junior. Appreciate your call mate, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Thank you very much. What a great discussion that has been.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Yeah, I think in the ideal world, everyone would want
to lose weight the old fashion way, wouldn't they, You know,
the old fashioned hard work way, the changing your diet
and exercising and then then enjoy the sense of achievement
and health benefits that that brings. Of course, we all
know by its very nature that's very hard work and
not everyone can do it. But if you're expecting the

(01:53:44):
you know, if you're using the weight loss drugs and
you're expecting them to make you happy, that just reaching
that call wake is going to happy make you happy.
You might want to remember the old Buddhist saying, wherever
you go, there you are. And it seems that's what's
happened to the task muster guy, isn't it Yep? So
he lost the three stone? He went, well, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Not that happy exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
Very funny guy, though still on balance, probably a good
idea to lose three stone, yes, or twenty eight kg's
or twenty kg's would it be?

Speaker 16 (01:54:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Almost twenty kg's. He's a tall man, Old Greg Davies.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
All right, that brings us the end of the show.
Thank you so much for all your calls in Texas.
Been a fantastic four hours of radio. The Great and
Powerful Hither Duplas Allen is up next and she's got
Eden Park CEO and Great New Zealand and Nick Sautner
on the show to talk about the man Auckland a
mere Wayne Brown has just called a tattooed pom right now, Tiles,

(01:54:39):
my good friend, Why am I playing this absolute tune
from nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Seven Michael Jackson bad? What an absolute tune? Is it?
Because we started off playing a little bit of Michael
Jackson and some people took offense to what other people
absolutely loved and we thought sot it, it's going to
be Michael Jackson all afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
A bunch of people told me that I wasn't allowed
to play Michael Jackson. So instead of not doing it,
I'm doing it. What a change. Also, the weird Al
Yanko parody of the song kind of fits the conversation.
We've just been happy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
That would have been perfect as well. Yeah, fantastic until tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
At twelve, when Tyler and I will be back live.
Give them a taste of Kiwi from us. You seem
bus you will let you go?

Speaker 20 (01:55:22):
All right then?

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
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