Full Show Podcast: 15 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk said B, Welcome into the show. Hope you having
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Now, we don't go live across the whole nation at twelve.
We start at one in some places, but for you know, Auckland,
Wellington and christ Church and stuff, we go from twelve.
And in that twelve o'clock hour, I was talking about
how I was sitting in a cafe and a five
person security detail came in complete with ear pieces and
sunglasses into the cafe, and then a couple of people

(00:58):
sat down and have breakfast. And I was thinking, who
could be that important? They've got a five person security detail.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Who we're the VIP?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
And then I found out that the president of plows
in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
How good?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
And then Tyler lock up what the president of Plower
looks like? And I think that was it? Yep, And
I think that that's who was at this cafe this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
So Rangel whips Junior.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, yeah, so he's in New Zealand at the moment.
It's a country about eighteen thousand, well it's a country
of three hundred islands and about eighteen thousand people. But
it's got a special relationship with the United States, so
that's why they had US style security. But this person
is sent through a text that's probably the dumbest text
that we've ever got on this on this maybe on

(01:36):
this channel.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's a high bar. Yeah, it's a very high bar.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, so many of the texts that come through A
ninety two ninety two are fantastic. In fact, I never
would have zeroed in on it being the president of
Plow if I hadn't, if I had me for nine
two nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
True.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
But the odd really dumb person comes through disgusted, says
this text, are you seriously going to reveal the whereabouts
of the president of Palow? If something happens, it's on you.
I didn't even mention the cafe, and I said it
was this morning. Yeah, and I'm somewhere in Auckland. Thousand
cafes we've got here. I'm not sure what kind of

(02:09):
geopolitical hot bed plow is. But I don't know if
there's a lot of people coming for the President of Palao.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
No.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
And also I didn't say where. I didn't say Witch cafe.
And also the Prime Minister has said that the President
of Palau is in the country.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
Yeah, so that's not a secret, and it's not Not
only is it not a secret, I didn't say where
he was. No, so it's not on me, it's not
on you, disgusted, Are you seriously going to reveal whereabouts
of the President of Palao If something happens, it's on you.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Look, if any nefarious high level operation is listening to
this show for intel on the whereabouts of VIPs, I'd
be I'd be mightily surprised. And it's not to say
it's not happening, But I don't know if they're using
this show for INTEL.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Luck Palau great, great, great country. I'm sure, glad three
hundred and fifty islands or whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I'm sure, and we're very proud that he's here. But
Rangel whips Junior vance. It wasn't no at least ten
And also I said before I didn't give any details
about it. Actually where he was said I saw him
at a cafe. He's got nothing to worry about. He's
completely safe. So don't you worry, dear Texter. But thank
you very much. Right on to today's show. That is

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good stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
By de text, you've been complete moron. Anyway, continue that
was good stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Right on to the show today after three o'clock in
New Zealand has launched a world first economy skidiness. So
this is bunk style sleeping pods for economy passengers on
ultra long haul flights. The pods, arranged like stacked beards,
allowed travelers to book a four hour session to life
lap with betting, privacy, curtains, lighting and charging ports included.

(03:50):
So for four hours this is going to sit you
back about five hundred bucks.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
You enter are tiny little backpackers that's three high on
either side in the middle of the economy era looks.
I find the whole idea of sleeping there triggering. So
you lie down there. You've got a four hour window
on your international flight to sleep there, so you lie
down in that beard. There'd be a lot of pressure
to go to sleep in that four hours because you're
paying what four hundred ninety five for it.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, four ninety five for four hours, and.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
You've got some wounded directly across from you, someone above you,
someone below you.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Six random weirdos, and this little bunk beer beard in
the sky.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
You know, higher than zero number of them trying to
enter the Mili High Club. I don't know. I don't
know if I'm a fan, you know, but upgrades in
general or an interesting one. I was listening to Mike
co hosking breakfast this morning. I was talking about how
much business flights to New York are Yes, three for
sixty two thousand.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Unreal, It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Who would s been that?

Speaker 7 (04:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, as a weak to go for upgrades, you just
want to you know, it used to be impossible to
travel overseas not so long ago. Yeah, and now we
have to do it in absolute comfort. You imagine telling
the people that came down here on sailing ships that
people wouldn't be able to handle sitting in a seat.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Can you get another grade on one of those rickety
ships that you're on for six months.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
For twelve hours?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, looking forward to your thoughts on that after three o'clock,
After two o'clock, what were the tricks that work for
you in terms of securing a job, so mass applying
for jobs online is no longer effective, with one expert
saying job seekers should even consider deleting job apps because
the system is broken. This is going to be a
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(05:33):
employment expert. We're going to have a chat with her
after two o'clock. But what worked for you if you
were searching for a job, What was it that finally
got your cross the line?

Speaker 3 (05:41):
So AI is not your friend, an AI CV is
not your friend. Networks, face to face, being more human, Yes,
it would see as we go into the future, the
more human you can be, the more you can use networks,
the more you can go face to face, the better
for getting jobs, it would seem.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yes, So looking forward to your stories on that after
two o'clock. But right now, let's talk about our prisons.
A corection officer has been sentenced to the Wellington District
Court after being caught smuggling drugs and alcohol into Remutuka
prison for an inmate. This was in return for sexual
favors from the inmates associate. The officer supplied items including
the Class are B drug GBL and also hid alcohol

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and alan Pa bottles, delivering them directly to the prisoners south.
So for that particular crime he received a sentence of
nine months home detention. But the case forms a part
of a broader corruption investigation at that prison, raising concerns
about the serious breach of trust with correction staff. But
there's a lot to unpack here. I mean, the big
question we've got for you as does this raise concerns

(06:43):
for you about how easily contraband seems to be able
to get into prison? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
I mean nine months doesn't sit nine months home detention
for that? Hurrh that horrible. It's a very grim setup, right, Yeah,
So smuggling drugs and alcohol into the prison and exchange
for sexual favors from an inmates associate. So this inmate
and lock on. I don't know the full details, but
as applying pressure to an associate outside to perform sexual

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acts gross for alcohol and drugs to get into the prison, yep,
And that's only nine months. How can you possibly expect
the prisons not to just be porous, as you say,
if that's the only punishment you're risking.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Right, I mean, as that line said, the serious breach
of trust and that's put in it lightly. I know
that's legal jargon there, but that's exactly what it is.
You put a corrections officer in there to maintain the
systems in place, to keep these people locked up because
they've done, you know, committed a various amounts of crime,
but then to become a criminal yourself and break that

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trust it is.

Speaker 8 (07:48):
It's a huge.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Amount of responsibility to be a corrections officer. And I
know they say they don't get paid that much, yadi, YadA, YadA,
but that doesn't matter. You're in that position that is
important to society that you have integrity, and you don't
you fall into this sort of grimness.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
What's even grosser when you look at what not even grosser,
but it just adds another layer of grossness to this
whole story. Is that the prisoner who shares the part
of the same name as fred dag Yes, interestingly enough,
the actor that played fred dak Great New Zealander, this
guy not so much of a Great New Zealand. But
he then complained about the quality of the drugs he

(08:23):
was getting in jeaps. But this woman that was involved
in the situation, that's the corrections employee, the corrections officer
was seeing her twice a week. It's so gross.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, and is that justice for that particular woman? Nine
months home detention for this corrections officer. And people may
say it's your first offense and you know everything else,
he was a good person in society. I mean, I'd
argue he's clearly not a good person. But he's to
say nine months home detention, that is a highly responsible
job to be given. And then to become a criminal

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yourself and you avoid prison and do nine months home
detention seems a bit light to me.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, or is it actually these are just isolated cases
because then you know, to push back a little bit.
Another corrections officer found the because the alcohol has been
smuggled in at big L and P bottles and world
famous in New Zealand, and he smelt smell one of
the bottles and thought, well, why are these big you know,
two letter bottles of L and P and this guy's

(09:27):
cell and smelled them and they were, you know, smelled
like alcohols. Yeah, so did report?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
So yeah, So that is fair that there was some
corections officers that had integrity that called this out.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
So how common is corruption inside New Zealand prisons? How
porous are our prisons? And do you think nine months
is enough for a corrections officer that involves gets involved
in this kind of horrific conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Nine two ninety two is the text sheer
experience will be back very shortly. It is sixteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, it'd.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Be nineteen past one. Are you worried that our prisons
are incredibly poorous? This is after another case of a
creatian's officer smuggling things into a prison. This particular individual
he has been sentenced in nine months for smuggling and
drugs and alcohol in return for sexual favors.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
If you've been in prison, I'd like to hear you
know how you organize these things and whether it's as
easy as suggested in the media. Yeah, whether you can.
I mean, how do you approach a guard and say
I want this without the guards?

Speaker 8 (10:36):
You know?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I mean I get most of my information about prison
from the Shawshank Redemption great movie, but you know, I
imagine it'd be very risky to say to a prison guards,
I can can you can you do this for me?
To try and organize it with them, Right, it's a
great question. And what is the relationship between prison guards
and prisoners. I guess they're seeing, you know, the humans,
so that they become, for want of better word, friends, associates.

(11:01):
You have to be friendly with some right, Yeah, George says.
Woman imports thirty kg of methamphetamine into New Zealand with
the street value of nine million. She gets five years
of imprisonment. Woman sells Matthew Perry kiddamine which killed them,
killed him us seventeen years in prison. I would say
that the prison guard would have got five to seven
years in prison in the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Potentially, they don't work around in the States, get a leont.

Speaker 9 (11:25):
Get the guys. Yeah, it's an interesting topic, this one,
that's for sure. I just I was recently working for Corrections,
and I mean is that the stories were used to
hear because we used to get some daily updates, so
you know, what's happened in the prison, what's been smuggling,

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you know, all that sort of stuff. So I mean
it's yeah, I mean some of those prisons really are.
They're leaking stuff and prisoners are getting all sorts cell phones, drugs,
so it's a big consume. And I know quite often
they would spring random searches for all stars through. I

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mean security is high for staff coming through anyway.

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Every day you're going to go through you know, X ray.

Speaker 9 (12:14):
Machines all your stuff, and then you've got to walk
through an X ray machine yourself. But then quite often
they'll chuck and random ones that have drug stuffing dogs,
and then they would have another team that would actually
search through your bag to search things. So they would
take it very seriously to draw and catch any perpetrators.

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But I mean the prisoner's finding genius plays are getting
things in. I mean they get people from the outside
to use drones to drop packages in. Right, they'll go
around the boundary sensors and through drugs or whatever and
the tennis balls and they'll send them like those thermous

(12:55):
cups unscrewed the bottom and then put stuff in the
bottom of there as well.

Speaker 10 (13:00):
So.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
You can get the stuff that can get into you,
like if someone visits, you can hand some things over
to to presidents, like you say, a thermoust.

Speaker 9 (13:11):
No no, stuff like that would have to go through.
A lot of that would go through say the mail room, right,
and it'll get X rayed. So that's quite often where
it might get tacked up.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
But how much stuff is a prisoner allowed to receive
from the outside, even you know, not contraband, Like, what
stuff are they allowed legally to.

Speaker 11 (13:29):
Have in there?

Speaker 9 (13:31):
There's an a proved list. It's it's quite substantial. So
it's just anything that's sort of you know, you know,
don't there to get like a radio. Quite often the
radios they will strip down and use some of the
wires to turn into tattoo machines, right, that's quite a

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common one. So they're very ingenious. But the cell phone
one as a biggie, they always seem to be able
to get them in.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes, I just imagine like if a radio came in
and I was running a prison, I'd have a really
really good look at it. But that's what you're saying,
is that if you're in it is a radio, but
then you're turning the radio into something else. That's pretty clever.

Speaker 9 (14:16):
It happens quite often.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
What kind of relationship do prison guards and prisoners have?
Because you know, you're seeing the same people every day. Right,
do do people become friends between you know, the correction
staff and the inmates.

Speaker 9 (14:31):
Not normally it's normally very you know, arms links because
the prisoners are very manipulative, right, I mean, I know
one of my workmates had the situation where he's meeting
with one of the prisoners and the guys like, you know,
you know, just you know, if you know, bring me
in some bring me some drugs. You know, I can

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give you this money and stuff like that. So, I
mean a lot of these prisoners they don't care because
they're in and out, so they will doubt try it
on and to try and find a weak link with
any of the people that work there to bring stuff in.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Just if a prisoner, you know, talks to correction stuff
like that comes up and says, hey can you get
me something in? Does that get reported up? Is there
is there an immediate punishment for for for asking for
trying to trying to organize something like this.

Speaker 9 (15:20):
Yes, oroviously, It depends on the person as long as
they report it. So, I mean, you normally report it
straight away to your manager, who then writes that a
formal report about everything that happened, What was discussed and
then I would normally that would go back to the
prisoner evolved for them to read and they would normally

(15:41):
go to a formal process. So it's like a it's
like a court within the prison that right get had
up before somebody and they have to answer to the charges.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
What's the background checks like if you want to become
a corrections officer? Are they pretty in depth?

Speaker 9 (15:57):
Oh? Yes, basically it's a same same as if you're
joining the police.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Right, okay, And that's that's done on a regular basis.
Is there you know, sort of updated training and updated
uh you know, looking at at the operations and what
you guys are doing.

Speaker 9 (16:16):
That they don't don't continue to check on some of
them all where they don't continue to check on any
you know, if you incur any more or any convictions.
I'm not aware of that. But I mean there is
a lot of ongoing training constantly in the in the
corrections because things are just you know, the goalposts of

(16:38):
moving all the time, and a lot of the associates
outside of you know, they're very very smart so that
they try to keep ahead of what corrections are doing.
But I mean have the amount of people that do
get caught coming in. Some of them are pretty stupid,
to be honest, So a lot of them do get caught.

(16:59):
But it's just there's a real wild West out there.
But I mean a lot of people do get caught.
And I mean, I know that guy, he might have
got Home's attention. That's his job gone as well. So
does that consequence of that golder's record, So they won't
be able to be in a position of trusted.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
If you're a corrections officer and you ended up actually
doing time in a prison, how quickly would it be
found out that you're an ex ex corrections officer? Would
you be able to keep that secret?

Speaker 9 (17:28):
We would get round pretty quick, So you'd probably end
up in one of the isolation units.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, there would be a lot. And finally, you know,
this is a situation where someone in the prison has
organized an associate to meet up with the guard, in
this case for sexual favors. But couldn't the same thing
happen with you know, you've got someone in prison, they're
a bad person, they get their associates to start intimidating

(17:55):
the families or whatever of the of the corrections officer outside.
Is any of that kind of corruption. Have you ever
heard of that? Now?

Speaker 9 (18:03):
Yes, yeah, that can be quite common, and that's a
lot of prisoners will potentially say, give an associate on
the outside the name of perhaps say a guard, and
then that's the person on the outside can then start
stalking them on the internet then figd out some more details.

(18:25):
But also it's one thing we have drummed in with
the training was just you know, you can be nice,
you be friendly to them, but there's a limit, you know,
you don't tell them things like oh here my kids
go to that school. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
And what made you leave corrections, Leon, I.

Speaker 9 (18:44):
Got injured and I stuffed up my foot, so just
sent surgery on it. So yeah, it was not not
a not a good situation working in a prison where
you've got to you can hardly walk.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, yeah, I will.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Sorry to hear that a shame because you sound like
a very good corrections officer, Lion.

Speaker 9 (19:00):
Well, I wasn't actually a corrections officer.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
I was a case manager, right, okay, cool, Hey, thank
you so much for your call, Lean, really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, great call I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you like leam that you used to work with incorrections,
caen to hear your story. And also if you've been
in prison, what is it actually like? How easy is
it to get contraband into New Zealand prison? I eighte
hundred and eighty ten eighty set number, And we've.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Got some information that's come through. And how you turn
a radio into a tattoo machine.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Okay, this's a good stuff. Turns out it's not a
radio twenty eight pass one the headlines and the hard questions.
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Speaker 2 (20:15):
Very good afternoon. It is twenty nine to two. So
how easy is it to get contraband into prison? If
you've been a prisoner? Tell us, oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 3 (20:25):
So it's not a radio that's turned into a tattoo machine.
It's a CD player, four point pen. The spring in
the pen is the needle anchors, burnt plastic off chairs
mixed with water and detergent.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Jesus, that's grim. But that's some good insider knowledge.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Well, prison tats, there's a there's you know, they're not
the flashes, don't.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
They No, But they're ink from burnt plastic. I mean
that is full on.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
You're not going to get a full majestic. I don't know,
Kia across your back?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Are you no? Not in prison? But thank you very much,
there's some good insider knowledge.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Prison officers are the lowest paid government workers. SISS text
do they only get seventy thousand per annum and it's
shift work, A terrible job. JT. It is a terrible job.
Does that mean it's okay to take sexual favor, to
smuggle and drugs to the inmates. I mean you've decided
to take on the job, haven't you. Y.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
It's not mandatory. You're not forced into take in that position.
That is something that hopefully you've got a bit of
passion about.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
And you have to be trusted to do it right.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
So is nine months enough punishment for getting involved in
that kind of grim conspiracy?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah? Keep those takes coming through on nine to nine
two one months home detention, that is. Yeah. So taking
your calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
you've been in prison, how easy is it to get
contraband in and out of prison? And if you've worked
in corrections before, we want to hear what your thoughts
are about working in that system.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
What you're talking about is nothing new. The more high
upper criminal or gang member you are, the easier and
more accessible contraband is to get hold of. Brothel workers
are often contracted to correction staff as payment. Seven's often Yes,
this has been a culture for many years. All parties
involved win, probably maybe not. The brothel worker correction staff
gets his way and mate gets his traband. The brothworker

(22:09):
pays off her debt to the inmate. Sad toxic cycle.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, I think yes, sad toxic cycle is exactly right.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
The word grim to spare foremost in my mind.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Headlines with Raylene coming up. Then after the headlines, we
are going to have a chat with an ex prisoner
and get his views on how porous our prisons are.
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Speaker 2 (23:47):
Thank you very much, Raylean. So how easy is it
to get things contraband into New Zealand prisons and out
of them? This is after a case of a corection's officer.
He's been sentenced to nine months home detention after smuggling
in drugs and alcohol to a particular and made in
return for our sexual services. So, if you've been a
prisoner one hundred and eighty ten eighty, what was your
experience like? And if you worked in corrections? How bad

(24:10):
is it within our New Zealand prisons? Nineteen nine to
text get a hugo.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
They follows there you go.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Good mate, good to chat with you. So you were
in prison about ten years ago, is that right?

Speaker 11 (24:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, right, Well you're a good yeah, well you're a
good man to chat to. So smuggling things into prison
when you were when you were locked up, how easy
was it to get contraband in?

Speaker 4 (24:35):
You could? Yeah, it was, it was. It was. The
hardest part was getting the money to the screws, right,
had that was that was the hardest part. So can
I just do with this fifty grams at tobacco the
days one hundred and fifty bucks?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (24:58):
All right, that's out here, that's out here on that
that's from your local dairy. Yep, you give got two
hundred smokes, two hundred cigarettes out of a fifty graand
with tobacco depending on who rolled them. Then they gave
for about five and you could even push it up
the team. So that's yeah, pier cigy. So here's one
thousand dollars that you're getting for that one hundred and

(25:19):
fifty dollars products. So the margins, the margins, You've got
a lot to play with it.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
So how do you how do you pay the screws?
As you say, Hugo.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
That was the hardest party. When I when I it
was only two weeks. One of the screws into myself.
He says, what's your name? And me, being a young
colorhead a bit of an attitude, I said, you know
my name? And he slipped me a piece of paper.
He said, you anything you need, let me know. He

(25:53):
had an account. Pizza paper had an account number on it, right,
So the hardest part was to transfer that money into
his account.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
And did you get someone on the outside. Did you
get someone on the outside to do it? Or would
you get someone I'm not saying did you would you with.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
The with the mobile phones because you wouldn't want to
go through the prison phone system. Uh, it was easy,
but the hardest part was finding someone who had a
mobile phone.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
So, so if you weren't, if you weren't hooked up
with the gangs, I take it. If you were, you
were hooked up with the gangs, that becomes a lot easier.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
It becomes a lot easier. But if you're not well,
then there's the price and it just it just involves
the cat and who.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Is it the gangs that control that that if you're
not hooked up with them or an associate, but that
they are your way to try and get that money
if you if you need to into the creatian's officers account.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
This is it, you know, it's these things. And sometimes
there's people that's modern gangs that have got phones, and
you know, eventually you want people find out who that is.
I ended up getting pulled into a situation because the
phones are not a phone is we see phones that
are in pizzas. So I got found in a situation

(27:11):
where I had to hold this net together and and
and don't move until the call was complete.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Did you say order a pizza pieces pieces, socket.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
And pizza holding holding components together.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
You get rumbled every guy arrived at the door.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, there's what I was thinking. That's pretty hard to
get through that.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
I've learned more in prison than what I do during
primary school in high school.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
That's what I was just thinking, the level of ingenuity
and smartest.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
We've got some talented people inside, and then we really
do have some talented people inside. And it's a natural
way resource on.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
This goes a long way in life, no doubt about it,
you know. And then is as resourceful as you can be.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
You just see some people just you just yeah, you
just blow your mind. How oh wow, Okay, that's how
we do it, and.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
That is that information, you know, how to do something out.
We're talking about turning a CD machine into a tattooing game.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Would make people in there, make mcguy there look like
an absolute bear group.

Speaker 10 (28:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Is that just a factor of time on your hands
to think things through?

Speaker 4 (28:20):
This is it, Matt, You've got it. You've got it absolutely.
You know you've got time on your hands, and that's
the thing. But I just put it down. These guards
they're on bugger all and always tak to them. They're
putting themselves. But please, police have a lot more available
to them, and they take these people and they have

(28:42):
to take them to these other places, and they take
the handcuffs off and leave. You know, my dad worked
in a mental mental health institution and he was the
guy on the other side of the scale. I suppose
where you know, the cops used to take the handcuffs
off and leave, and these guys are there to deal
with it. And we really need to take your heads

(29:06):
off to these guys to stand up to the jobs
and appreciate what they're worth, because they're putting themselves, and a
lot of that. If you if you want to pay
people transporting petrol and the old petrol trucks and whatnot,
danger money, because you know that dealing with flammable substance

(29:29):
and obviously nowadays with the price of the boody stuff.
I mean, they should have a army garden will approve
vest beside. But you know, we pay them danger money,
and we don't. We don't. I don't think these prison
guards get respected enough financially, and that's the problem. And
and so you know, what's a man worth? You know,
what are you worth? You know, that's like I said,

(29:51):
we've got, we've got after he spend one hundred and
fifty dollars on fifty grams of tobacco, and there's what's
that eight hundred and fifty dollars left for profit. That's
that's a week's wages. So yeah, and that's just for tobacco,
you know, don't get me started anything else. So you

(30:11):
say that we start to take that equation out of
it and start to how much.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
How much would you have to pay to take that equation? Now,
what two hundred thousand they're on seventy thousand dollars a year.
You know, if someone's willing to look to engage in
criminal activity, then I don't know that the temptation might
be quite high. They might have to be quite a
high pay rate to make to make that temptation.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
But you know what, what are people worth? And you
know you do get your honest guards don't get me wrong, now,
just won't fold. They just think that there's yeah, and
it happened to me twice that that there was twice
it happened to me, and it's and it's and if
it doesn't it new someone else has got someone else
who knows and can get it that way. And again

(30:53):
you pay the price, and but you get it eventually,
and that there's no stopping presents for corruption.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Now we're talking about we're talking about the ingenuity inside Hugo.
You have been out for a while. How has it
been out about? Have you been able to use some
of the ingenuity the thing you said that you've got
this education in prison, even be able to use that
for good in your life since you've gotten out.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
I have, I've there's lots of I was lighting the
fire the other day. It's got a big cold. We
had no newspaper so with a way to light a
fire because I learned the way. Yeah yeah, yeah, and yeah,
it's just it's it's something old. Yeah, I made it.

(31:41):
I made it. I'll never go back. There's no way
I will never get back to prison.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
So life's okay for you on the outside. You managed
to turn things around.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
That's great. Made life's great, you know, like I've got
I've got two beautiful, beautiful children and uh you know,
I've got a bit of an arm on my back now.
And I think the thing that made me keen around
was when I seen the most hardened people that I
ever meet, who never smiled for nobody. Those people are
seeing them smile when they had a visit from their children,

(32:13):
right yeah. So that's just said it all to me.
That's just said it all, like the meaning alife too.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah yeah, well mate, good on you here go.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Thanks, thanks for calling and all the best out there.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, glad you turned it around. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. If you're like Hugo, you've spent some time inside,
is that what it's like? Tell us your story. I
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? It's
a quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Mad Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
They'd be afternoon to you. It is twelve two to
two and we are talking about how easy it is
to get things into prison.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
The sexus is I used to work in the court system.
Contraband has passed between convicted and those waiting trial are
using placements in court hiding spots. It's riddled and the
court staff and police have very little idea. Some will
commit a minor crime to get into the court system
to pass items to the convict.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
It.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Wow, there's a lot of thought going into it. As
someone to so before imagine if you know, the ingenuity
was used into towards legal businesses and startups and so yeah,
it sounds like some hart people working out some illegal activity.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, absolutely, get a Richard.

Speaker 11 (33:24):
Okay. For a while in the early two thousands, I
ran a supermarket that had a contract for providing groceries
into inmates. So basically, inmates would earn money from doing
work programs and things, and they could spend it at
the supermarket and there was a very specific list of
things that they could buy and work in that part

(33:47):
of the supermarket which was locked and kept fully aside,
and there was always multiple cameras inside, and only two
people who had been invested and cleared were allowed in
the room, so you couldn't go in there by yourself.
And then you would get an order. You would pick
the things off, so that might be wheat bits or
deodor into or chocolate or whatever it was, and you'd

(34:09):
put it and take it over to the checkout, and
you'd hold it up to the cameras and then put
it through the checkout so that it was quite clear
what was going in the box. And then that was
then sent to or delivered to the prison that the
contract was with, and then it went through scanning and
all that sort of stuff. So as far as getting

(34:31):
those sorts of things into prisoners, it would have been
very very difficult to have any contraband into that system
because it was all very very secure and nobody was
ever left alone on handling it.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Right. Did you ever get any pressure as anyone ever
approached you at your end to attempt that kind of activity.

Speaker 11 (34:51):
Richard, No, No, certainly the nobody came to the supermarket
about it, and we always delivered it to priven staff.
So we didn't actually go into the prison that there
was a designated trends the area in where it went
immediately into scanning and they could then check off everything

(35:13):
that was on each order and what was in the box.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Right, I mean, that's the interesting thing about this case.
So this guy's bringing in two L and P bottles
full of booze this prison guard. I guess they were
saying it was as lunch or something, but it seems
like someone would notice that as he came in of
the systems. You're talking about going to Richard. So do
you think for this kind of stuff to happen it
has to be a corrections officer and on it.

Speaker 11 (35:38):
Well, yeah, I don't know what happens at the other
end of it. And there was a very limited like
there's only like that fifty items that they could buy,
and they were all chosen very carefully about, you know,
how they were wrapped up and all that sort of stuff,
so nothing else could could go in. And it was
a very very secure, camera controlled process. I was only

(36:01):
involved in it for about a month and a half
to two months. I don't want to go into why
that happened, but you only looked after that period of
time and there was just no way of corrupting that
part of.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
It, right.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Interesting, Yeah, thank you very much for your call, Richard.
I mean we had that discussion a little while ago
about corrections in the battle. They've got to stop things
coming into the country. Sounds like a similar situation in prison.
It's like a whack a mole. They will find every
avenue they can think of. Some guys talking about tennis
balls through the fence, the drones. That guy said it
was lockdown at the supermarket ends. They'll find, they'll find

(36:35):
another way.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I was a corrections officer and left because of the corruption,
says George. We're even told during your training it's not
the prisoners you need to watch out for, it's the guards,
the people you work with.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Oh, grim, Well, that.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Was the interesting thing we heard before from that previous
qrter is a Hugo Hugo that it was a prison
officer that approached him.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, that came up to him and said hinder them
piece of paper and say here's the price. Yeah, if
he can pay it, I'll get you what you need.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
So yeah, yeah, keep those tanks coming through. On nine
two ninety two. It is seven to too.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams.
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
V News Talks EDB it is five minutes to two.
Quick couple of texts. Get our guys. When visiting pot
Mo maximum, we would pack the white tennis shoe bottoms
with buddhisticks, wear them into visiting, then casually swap them
with the same type of shoe the inmate is wearing.
That was fifty years ago and it worked one hundred percent.
And that's from m so half.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
A century ago. The swapping of the tennis shoes work.
I wonder if it would work these days.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah, they've probably cottened onto that by now, and
a couple more coming through.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I had a friend who was in prison for around
four years. The correction staff would be paid big money
to bring in phones, drugs, pills. Corrupt officers are well
looked after. Officers also have gambling fight rings and inmates
are forced to fight or the staff will get a
few inmates to bash you. Yeah right, really prison, really?
I mean that? Okay, Yeah, well that's corruption. Yeah, hi guys,

(38:13):
I am writing a book on my ten years in prison.
Not only Porridge. My dad was a screw of thirty
three years. I met my now late partner inside Lynn
was an officer at Roliston. Money was put into tab
screws accounts. So easy. Yeah, well, thanks for your text.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Look forward to that book. Not only Porridge.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I've learned in the last hour. I've learned a couple
of things. Both inmates are at the forefront of Kiwi
innovation and also that you can make a tattoog and
out of a CD player and a ballpoint pin.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Here you go today. You don't learn things on this show.
Great discussion. Thank you to everyone who called and had
a chat with us coming up after two o'clock. What
worked for you when you were looking for a job
or explain more very shortly, News is next to your
listening to mattin Tyler Yea, the.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Good day to you, welcome back into the show. It
is seven past too great to have your company, an
employment expert says mass Applying for jobs online is no
longer effective. Instead, they say jobs seekers should consider deleting
job apps and leaning into their human quality, so that
means focusing on networking, direct outreach, personal branding, and finding

(39:31):
opportunities outside standard listings. Overall, they say success now depends
less on the volume of applications you're putting in a
more on creativity initiative and building real connections with employers.
What about networking networth networking network?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
But the old way you used to get a job
was down at the rugby club and you'd go, hey,
my son needs a job, and then someone would go, yeah, yeah,
I've got a job for your son.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yep, I'll sort them out, didn't.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I mean, I've never been in this world personally, Barts,
I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and then you go, so you go see Gary.
You go see Gary at seven thirty on Saturday morning.
He's got some work for you, and you don't make
sure you don't let me down. Boy.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Networking, old school networking, right, I.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Think that's still a massive part of it. You know,
there's that old phrase it's not what you know, it's
who you know. And I think there's still a lot
of truth in that. That is something that hasn't changed
pretty much since the dawn of time. You know that
if you know someone who knows you and they know
you've got a good reputation, you know, I'm for being
a bit of a hard worker, You've got good character,
they like you. That goes a long way.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
And what about people have been slagging off nepotism for
a while. Surely nepotism is a great thing. Surely if
you're a parent and you have connections and you can
help your child get into an area, then then go
for it, right, Yeah, you definitely. I don't think parents
should shy away from nipotism, and I don't think kids
should shy away from nepotism as well.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
It shouldn't be a dirty word.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Really, I mean that that's your job as a parent,
right to try and smash down some walls in the
world for your kids so they can get ahead. But
I say, nippo this, nipo that.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Everywhere, Neo baby, nippo baby.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Kids, Yeah, you know that is part and parcel of
you know, helping out your children. That's what you do, aparent.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
I mean, those are the best networking opportunities you can
if you if you if your parents are networking for
you as well.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, so we're taking your calls on this one. If
you were in the market looking for a job for
some time, what was it that worked for you? What
was it that got it over the line? Was it
going back to the traditional networking or some other creative
tip that you've got? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that I would call nine two ninety two is
the text, And coming up after two o'clock we are
going to have a chat to that expert. Her name

(41:34):
is Emma McLain and she is the founder of Works
for Everyone, So we're going to break down some of
the tips that she has suggested for you. That is
coming up next. It is ten past two.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Wow your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk
said be.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It is twelve past two. So the job market is
particularly difficult for many people right now. More competition and
changing technology is adding to the sense of frustration many
are feeling were trying to secure work. So how do
you stand out to discuss We're joined by employment ex
but a founder of Works for Everyone, Emma McLean get
a Emma, how are you cure ta Koto?

Speaker 15 (42:14):
I am good, thank you.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
When can the job apps become a problem, Emma.

Speaker 15 (42:20):
Well, first of all, I just want to press everything
I say by it's saying that I don't want to
revealize or underestimate how mentally and emotionally tough finding a
job is.

Speaker 16 (42:32):
Right now.

Speaker 15 (42:33):
I want to say that because I don't want people
to think that I think it's so easy, it is brutal.
So everyone listening out there, I just want to acknowledge you.
I think when the job apps become a problem is
when you are just scrolling through them all the time, refreshing, refreshing,
and you can't see how you're ever going to get

(42:54):
a job. You can't see, particularly for people that want
maybe ours that are not the norm, maybe locations that
are not the norm. It can just be deeply depressing
to have it in the part of your hand. Twenty
four to seven. The thought of this is never going
to work.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
So you're not saying get rid of the online part
of job searching. You're just saying, just look at go
go to the browser.

Speaker 15 (43:20):
You know, a couple of times a day a lot
of my clients, you sort of try to see job
hunting as a job, just so like do it during
the day, and do it on a desktop, do it
on your laptop. But I just think it's apps appear
so tending and so easy, and even the new ones
that have launched to of claim to revolutionize job hunting.

(43:42):
I mean maybe from the employer's perspective, but from the
candidates perspective, this is next level hard.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Still doom scrolling employment opportunities that may or may not
be relevant to you at all.

Speaker 17 (43:53):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
So. Networking is clearly a big part of it that
you've mentioned before, Emma, and it was something that many
people fell back on in decades past. But what is
if someone doesn't have a big network or they're not
sure where to start, what is the best tip for
extending that network network out of meeting new people.

Speaker 15 (44:14):
Yeah, it's a great idea. Be more human, talk to people,
talk to people in supermarket lines, talk to people at
the bus stop. But you know, I tell you where
opportunities come from, the most unlikely places, and people hire people.
I'll give you an example. I used to run my
kids school fear. In fact, Matt Keith was one of

(44:36):
the parents and Matt Heath was one of the parents
at my kid's school.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Fears important. He was very important the bubble Disco.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I was running the bubble disco.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Probably that's our job exect.

Speaker 15 (44:53):
So I used to run the sofa. I am that
pta mother. But I extend. I extended my network so
much through that. I met people, and really I started
my business about seven years ago, and through those contacts
I got clients. Now, who would have thought you would
get job opportunity through putting your hand up to run

(45:15):
the bubble disco?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because
you hear from someone who knows someone that that that
might have this that might lead to something like that.

Speaker 15 (45:28):
Yeah, because you know people by people. I mean another example,
and I think you know, look, if you're listening to
this and you already have a job and it's not
a problem, build your network now. You know, you always
need your network often when you don't have it. So,
for example, he's a really tangible idea. If you have
a manager at your work or someone you work with

(45:50):
who really rates you, who you really connect with, and
then they leave. Before they leave, go up to them
and say, hey, Tyler, I have really enjoyed working with you.
You've made a big impact on my career, and I
want to say thank you.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I want to hear and Tyler will.

Speaker 15 (46:07):
He will always take my call, right, Yeah, I'm going
to talk here now, Tyler. But I mean, I think
we have to think like humans in the age of AI,
which brings so much opportunities. What is defensible as being
a human And I think we need to be human
in this brutal job market. And I know it's cringey,

(46:29):
and I know reaching up people is hard, but choose your.

Speaker 17 (46:33):
Heart, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah? And speaking of being human, how do you deal
with the rejection? How do you not take it personally?
When you're applying for job, applying for job and you
just keep getting rejected.

Speaker 15 (46:46):
It is man, how do you not take that personally?

Speaker 9 (46:49):
Right?

Speaker 15 (46:49):
Because you're putting.

Speaker 17 (46:49):
Yourself out there. It is hard.

Speaker 15 (46:52):
I think surround yourself with kindness, surround yourself with people
that love you, put lots of care apps around yourself
when you are on this roller coaster. You are human.
Humans has feelings and I think we need to be
ill that. It is really hard find someone to talk
to that you can share the highs and the lows

(47:13):
with but don't pretend you're just fine, right, and when.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
You when you're talking to that person about the highs
and lows, they might go itly. I know a guy
whose whose wife is running a company and she's actually
looking for someone.

Speaker 15 (47:28):
And I think the key thing here is be clear
on the value you deliver to an organization. Don't just
say I'm looking for a customer service role, so to
say look, and I know this sounds wanky and none
even if I can say that word, but you could say,
you could say, look, at the heart of my careers
or jobs today has been customers. I love solving customer problems.

(47:50):
I'm looking for a roll where I can really put
that strength to play. Now that helps me if i'm
your but your mate, and I can think, oh, well, actually,
my friends just open to restaurant. Maybe you should go
and talk to them, because I think, you know, we
all want to We want to have people working for
us that we can trust and that a proactive So
demonstrate that in your job search.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, Emma, it's hopeful advice. And we've got a lot
of listeners and a lot of people calling through. So
thank you very much for having a chat with us
and hopefully we'll catch up again soon. That is Emma McLain,
employment expert and founder of Works for Everyone. So want
to hear from you, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
what worked for you to.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Secure a job? Nearworking?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
You don't even know your networking when you just as
she said, running the bubble disco at the school.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Fair, exactly networking? Who are have thought? It is nineteen
past two.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Back for you shortly, Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call
oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on youth talk zby.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Twenty one past two. So what worked for you in
terms of securing a job? I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty see number.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
To call Paul, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Hey gods, there we go, very good.

Speaker 18 (49:00):
Oh no, it makes your first time call to you
guys A long time listener. Oh good man, you love
your soul, so thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
We love you, Paul.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Thanks for that, Paul, thanks for listening and thinks.

Speaker 18 (49:09):
Yeah, no problem. My take on this as a word
of mouth, I've actually got a interview on about forty
odd minutes, which I.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Believe I'm probably going to get exciting, and yeah.

Speaker 18 (49:20):
It was just basically talking to the people around me
and changing my circumstances. And I think in all of
this you have to back yourself. You know, if you
want to change your life, if you want to get
a hit and you have a passion, or there's something
else you really want to do, you need to back
yourself and just keep trying and go for it. You
know what's going to hold you back, but.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Just do it.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
So when you see change of circumstances, what do you
mean by that? Exactly, Paul.

Speaker 18 (49:47):
So for myself, I've been working night hift for the
last two years and it's absolutely destroyed me. And I'm
basically at the point where I do twelve hours, four
nights for rotating shifts every other week and I'm kind
of like, I don't know who I am, you know,
get my days off and I don't sleep. Yeah, well,
my body's just absolutely destroyed. And now I'm hopefully going
to be finding some sort of day work and just

(50:10):
have a bit of normality and a bit of structure
and life.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Love the mentality that you're putting a cross pool. But
you know that's the hard part, right, as you said,
you're working night shift. We know night shift is brutal
on people, so to try and get that motivation you've got, Now,
how did you do it?

Speaker 18 (50:26):
I just wanted to change everything around me, mate, you know,
like just knowing that I can't sleep properly anymore, and
that's you know, literally destroying I guess my mental health
as well.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
I don't want to live like that.

Speaker 18 (50:38):
And you have to take that into accounts, like your
health is everything, you know, and the people that matter
around you as everything. So you are number one, look
after you first and find ways to make things better
for yourself.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
And so how did you?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
How did you get this job interview that you're going
to in forty minutes?

Speaker 18 (50:58):
I work as security and I see people every single day,
and you know, I've just mentioned the people that, hey,
you know what, I'm looking for another front of job
and oh, I said to me, I'm looking for a worker.
So let's ever young and I'm sure enough that's turning
in today.

Speaker 19 (51:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Good, there we go.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
So Paul, thank you so much for listening, Thank you
so much for calling, and all the beast for that
job interview having goes very well for you. What a
great call, idd.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Employ im Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties and
number to call get a Andrew. Yo, hey, keen on
your story.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
Oh here are you going?

Speaker 13 (51:29):
Tell us?

Speaker 7 (51:29):
Yeah, very well, first time, first time I've called in.
So bear with me here, I'll try and keep this
short and sleep.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Just us, mate, just us.

Speaker 19 (51:35):
No.

Speaker 7 (51:36):
So three years ago I went through a divorce and
I moved into the old lady's place, right, and I
had myself a retail job and I was in that
for six months and I'll come home one day and
I said, oh, this isn't this isn't working for me,
So I started applying to other jobs. I was living
forty minutes west of christ Church. So my background's always
been farming and stuff like that. And my mum says

(51:56):
to me, she goes, just bear with me a minute.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
I'm make a phone call.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
So she called up one of her friends and her husband,
who owns a dairy farm literally three kilometers around the corner,
was looking for a track the driver. And three years later,
here I am good.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
On, mum, see that that's networking close to home?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
That it is? Yeah, yeah, high level networking.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
Yeah, yep, So it's not it's not what you know.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
It's who you know.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
And yep, I suppose you could say that might be
a bit of nepotism, but hey, it worked out well
and mife over there.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, so that's what I think, This whole nepotism thing
has got out of hand. That's exactly how the world
should work. So yeah, sons in a situation, he's come,
he's living at home, then mum makes a few calls.
You know, you do that for your kids. Everyone should
be doing that for their for their kids, or friends
or relations or anyone. That's that's what networking is. The
idea that you'd rule out family is one of the

(52:46):
networkers seems seems crazy to me. So that's good. And
so you're still in the same place.

Speaker 7 (52:52):
Yep, still in the same place, still driving tractors, still
having it, still loving it. Wouldn't trade it for the world.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
What kind of track do are you driving?

Speaker 7 (53:01):
Well, we'll have it weather that eight or nine total
in our fleet.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
So right now I'm sitting in a little McCormick c
X one hundred, but my main unit is a deutzpar
six one three five I think one four five.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
I don't know what they are, but they sound they
sound kick ass.

Speaker 7 (53:17):
Yep, absolutely is.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
But that's not it. That's not a little tap track.
That's a decent sized tractor, isn't it. You're in you've
got a full cab. You've got obviously, it sounds sounds sealed.
It sounds quiet in there.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
Well actually right now it's off. My cowork is probably listening.
He's probably that's that boy. Yeah, but no, it's a
lot of tractors these days, and they're all pretty creature comforts.
You've got air on radio, blue tooth, so man, you.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Got all the radio set to ZB.

Speaker 7 (53:45):
Most of the time.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Yeah, good man, all right, good on your entry, and
thanks so much for carling.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, what a great man. Ninety two nine two is
the text number plenty coming in.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I was unemployed as got made redundant. I used to
go op shopping and buy things cheap and sell them online.
The op shop manager ended up asking me to work
part time and that led to full time. The beauty
of networking, cy you go, you just talk to the
person behind the counter.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Seems to keep going back to networking. So what do
you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, if
you're looking for a job for some time, what was
it that got you over the line? Was it networking
or was it something doing something a bit more creative?
Keen on your stories. It is twenty six past two.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
The mccormicks c X one hundred is a beautiful tractor.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
You got a picture there? Yeah, I'll have a look shortly.
It's a beautiful I'm excited by this.

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Speaker 2 (55:48):
Thank you very much, Ray Lane. So we're talking about
what's worked for you when searching for a job.

Speaker 20 (55:53):
Ram, how are you, hi, man, Thanks for taking my
phone call.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Thanks for giving us a buzz. So what worked for you?

Speaker 20 (56:02):
Well, initially, what I came in New Zealand, I was
working as a mechanical technique from last seven years and
due to that, I was like it was a workshop
sort of roles. Then I was looking for to do
a job somewhere else. But wherever I was applying I

(56:22):
never got an answer. From last seven years, wherever I applied,
nothing works. Yeah, since since this AI technology comes up,
I start editing my CV through the chat GBT and
all of a sudden, I start getting phone calls, Hey,
would you like to have a set up for our interview?

(56:43):
I've gone through ten interviews. Now I got another job
the one I wanted.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Wow, So what was different about putting it through GPT
for you as opposed to cvs you were doing in
the past. Ron So maybe there was.

Speaker 20 (56:55):
My soft like a cover letter or a CV language
wasn't strong enough that was passing that. I think that
called ATS system that if you apply through. Then every
company have their own system that picks up particular words
related to that job description. So what I was doing,

(57:16):
I was copying the entire job description, asking a chat
Gibt write down a cover letter according to my skill
set as my CV I was. I was uploading my
TV with that. With that, it was editing both of them,
my CV as well as my cover letter.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
And that got you through the next LIEB. But of
course then you would have had to have a job interview.
Am I correct?

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (57:38):
And after that nobody was like buying my story because
to upskill myself upstill my communication level, I have to
start my own company to get myself out outside the
box dealing with clients. I done a lot of work.
And then when I was telling to the employer, say

(58:00):
I have that company. That was the reason to upskill
myself when I was applying to a similar sort of
work that I was doing by myself. They were my feeling,
he's gonna be our compututer. So I have to go
from somewhere to apply for a different role. Now I'm
doing the one I want.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Right. Well, there was quite a turnaround for you. So
just I've got that straight. Did you? You set up
your own company, and then that showed some motivation and
some ambition on your part which helped for the next step. Yeah, yeah,
right now.

Speaker 20 (58:33):
All my old clients are calling me. Even before talking
to you, I got another call from my raffler. Hey,
we got out another door and this is the log.
Would you like to install that? I said, okay, I
will find the time during the weekend, because now I
got a word time.

Speaker 10 (58:47):
Got on your rum.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Good on your mate, you're a good You're a go getter, mate,
You're a go getter.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Well done.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Needed a bit of help from chet GPT then, well.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
On the show. It's interesting because one half of it
was saying that human, the more human you can be,
the better. Yeah, and human networking and all that kind
of stuff. But there's an example of the go on
more AI certain things out being welcome the.

Speaker 21 (59:07):
Showy, how's it going on? And just enjoying your show
When I'm I'm at work doing a streadsheet.

Speaker 8 (59:16):
Yes, I sort to give a bit of perspective.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Sounds like you're in the bathroom. Have you run off
to the bathroom.

Speaker 21 (59:21):
I've just gone into a quiet room in the office.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Good.

Speaker 21 (59:25):
Yes, So like the open four being can't hear what?

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Yes.

Speaker 21 (59:30):
So I'm a contractor. I do contracting like court corporate
strategy type stuff, and it my my end of the market.
I guess the last five years with the trouble in
the economy and a lot of companies don't want to
hire when things are looking kind of risky. So I've
been on the job websites. I've sent out hundreds of cvs,

(59:51):
hundreds of applications. During the time of COVID, I didn't
get hadn't get any engagement. So what I've found is
you've got to, like you've got to phone up the recruiters.

Speaker 7 (01:00:03):
You've got to.

Speaker 21 (01:00:03):
Introduce yourself, You've got to let them know who you are.
Like if you just apply for a job through seek,
at least in my experience, like you get very little engagement,
Like you're going to go straight to the recruit You've
got to I pass. I pass the application process almost
so I've got to hunter recruiters who who know me

(01:00:24):
and they know what they do and they know what
I'm liking everything. So I get really good, really good
engagement through them. But even still, I've got to ring
them up and them I've got to say, hey, Golve
on the website, I think I'd be good for it,
do you think you could put me forward for it?
Because if I apply for it, I get zero engagement.
So that's how I've got work in the last five years.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
So when so are you a contract? Do you do?
Do you do sort of short stunts?

Speaker 11 (01:00:52):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:00:52):
Yeah, So I like the book contract would be like
three three to nine months, probably like an average for
about six months. You you like, always hope that they'll
extend the contract that is more work.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, and so that the recruiter will have relationships with
with you know, a bunch of different employees. Is that
how it works? So then you're basically the recruiter is
vouching for you and and you make them look good
and you know they get you. Does that how sort
of works like if you go yes and you're great

(01:01:24):
at some place and it helps them in the future
as well.

Speaker 21 (01:01:26):
Yes, So I suppose bestial what I'm saying. If they
don't know who you are, so a few randomly send
them the CV and I've never heard of you. They
don't know you who you are, and they haven't worked
with you before. I guess the chance of them putting
you across to the employers a lot les.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, So how much do you have to harangue your recruiter,
like you know and create that relationship, Like.

Speaker 21 (01:01:49):
You just have to keep in contact with them. You
just have to make sure that you're in the forefront
of their mind for certain types of jobs that match
your skill set in your experience, But the jobs I
did apply for that was straight to them for you
got got like no no feedback at all, Like it's
got the automated email a couple of weeks later saying

(01:02:09):
sorry you didn't make it through the recruitment process and
all that sort of thing. So it seems if you
go straight to the company, at least in my experience, just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Say cut through, right, you need something to cut through
and to say this is me and and expect my
application or you know my name is being etcetera, etcetera.
That initial introduction would go a long way, right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well what kind of industry are you?

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
And what kind of industry? And Ben, if you don't
my asking so too.

Speaker 21 (01:02:39):
Two main industries are rippen through my career, helicoms and transport.
In the transport industry at the moment, just doing a
forecast for them for the next couple of years. So
lots of spreadsheets and everything, and like, I really enjoy
listening to your show venom in these spreadsheets, so that

(01:03:00):
makes day go faster.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Glare we get out?

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Thanks Ben? Hopefully we don't know errors get introduced. Yeah yeah,
oh good, good on you, Ben. Thanks for calling up
and thanks for listening. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, great tip. Do you agree with Ben? Is it
making that initial introduction that sets you apart o eighte
hundred and eighty ten eighties number to cooll.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
The sexus is are you really going to stick up
for Neppo babies? Bryce Dellis, Howard Mayer Hawk, Dakota Johnson?
So is Dakota Johnson? Is she's the daughter of Melanie
Griffith and Don Johnson. Right, that's right, Yeah, fifty Shades
of Gray. Yep, we'll stick up for her, So I reckon,
I Reckonanie. Melanie Griffiths was not happy with the nepotism

(01:03:39):
there because I saw an interview with the two of
them once after she had done Dakota Johnson had done
Fifty Shades of Great the movie, and Melanie Griffith was
not happy with seeing her daughter being involved in that
kind of sexual thriller.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Quite spicy, quite spicy, that particular movie SPICYE sure.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
But but I don't think Andrew, our previous callers mum
ringing up and getting the job driving tractors is the
same as you know, what's his name, Howard?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
What's Ron Howard? Ron Howard pulling some strings to get
Dallas A hys Ellis Howard into into Jurassic Park. No,
completely different things. I don't think that's the same board
key those things. Governs are on nine two ninety two,
and we want to hear from you, O one hundred
eighty ten eighty what worked for you to secure a job?
It is twenty one to three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons used talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Be it is nineteen two three.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Apparently Melanie Griffiths was a nepo baby yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yes, so her mum this is coming from the office.
Her mum is Tippy Hedron from Hitchcock's The Birds. So
generational nepos right there, you go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Well, good on them, mate, the sixteen one hundred percent degree,
it's all about networking. For me, it was having people
who could act as referees. As soon as the right
referees were on board, the job offers came. Yeah, you
got to do things when you leave a job, as
you know. That was great advice from Emma, wasn't it before? Yep,
that you know, makes sure that you make a good
impression with the manager if they're leaving. Just thinking about

(01:05:10):
that all the time, yeah, thinking about It's a funny
one though, isn't it, Because it's almost like you're treating
human interactions in a transactional way. But I think if
you make good relationships with people and they're moving to
another company, then that's an opportunity, right, But they could
actually be a genuine interaction as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, and you don't want
to burn bridges. There's a lot of people that burn
bridges when they leave a job. That's a terrible idea.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
There's not a lot of bridges in New Zealand if
you're in a particular industry. Yep, so for some industries
only have one bridge. Yeah, that's right, great topic. Chaps
got a job ten years ago Port of Todong. I
just phoned them up interview job offer and still there
are tons of opportunities out there. Chairs day safe, Kevin,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (01:05:54):
Gos really enjoy the show being long time listener the
first time calling up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Oh, welcome in mate, man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
We've had a few of those today. Good on you, keV.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 16 (01:06:03):
You know, I've got a bit of a story. Many
years ago I was living in Australia and over in
Perth and I got a parking fine.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
And to be quite honest, I was a bit of
a bum at the.

Speaker 16 (01:06:14):
Time, really you know, doing not what And yeah, anyway,
as it turned out, I'd moved a couple of places,
so this parking fine had never got to me. It
had not been on a windscreen that blew off or
whatever happened, I'm much sure. But the first I knew
about it was a couple of police officers come to.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
My door and knocked on the door and got a.

Speaker 16 (01:06:32):
Warrant for my arrest. And I said, and they told
me what it was about. So I said, I didn't
know what can happen. They said, look, we'll give you
a chance to sort it out. You got to week
and we can otherwise we're back.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
I thought, I did is.

Speaker 16 (01:06:46):
I actually went into the council where the final issued.
And at this stage I'd had enough of being a
bum and I was really serious about getting.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
Work and I've been looking and I went into.

Speaker 16 (01:06:55):
The parking department and it was really nice and said, look, hey,
I can't afford to pay this fine. I had no money,
but I really can to do something for your community service.
I believe you can do to pay for fine. Can
I do something for you. I'm happy to come and
do whatever you like for as long as you like,
if you could pay it off, and if the chance
you've got a job, I'd love that too. And they

(01:07:16):
said no and sort of tried to sideline me. But
I was really persistent and really nice about it, and
in the end, the parking department manager went away, and
then she came back a couple of months later and said,
tell you what, coming on Monday, We'll get you a
couple of days. See what you can do for us.
I said, oh, that would be great, wonderful. So I

(01:07:37):
thought to be, you know, tiding shelves or sweeping floors
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
But I got it now on the.

Speaker 16 (01:07:41):
Monday, nice and timely, and she put me down in
front of the computer said he's parking and friendship. Finish
it over the weekend. You needed them into the computer
and I did this, you know, And and then there
was various other Admond duties are doing for her, and
come back the next day to the same And then
at the end of the Tuesday she said to me,
would you like to come back? I said, yeah, I

(01:08:03):
could do. And she said, well, if you do, we've
got a job for you. And I was absolutely blown away.
And as it was, I was there for about four
years in the parking department as an administration officer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Wow, what a story, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
It was quite quite funny.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
As it was.

Speaker 16 (01:08:20):
When the manager of the parking department in away on
lead a couple of years later and I was actually
in charge of the department and the charge of the
officer issued to find to be in the rest place.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Funny, well, that there's there's a saying that it's somewhere
in my head about that. It's something like turning on
in into oranges is suddenly someone will someone was saying
that fits that nineteen nine two. So you're in this position,
you know, everything's an opportunity, You're you're not feeling great.
There's rock bottom. You get this parking fine, it's an
absolute bummer, terrible situation. You've got cops turning up, and
you managed to turn that into a really positive thing.

(01:08:51):
So that's a great story, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
Yeah, Yeah, I was really happy.

Speaker 16 (01:08:54):
And the thing was, you know, it's just to really
be nice about it in any situation. And I could
have gone on the grumpy isn't you know?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah, but I was.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
I was keen and yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:09:04):
And it worked for me and I was stoked. I've
had lots of experiences through life where you know, just
being that that positive, upfront person and following up on
an application, don't just submit the application, wait for a call.
And a couple of periods of my life I've put
in applications for a job, and then I've actually followed
up a few days later. So just wondering if you've
got my application, and as I what your name, and

(01:09:26):
I'll tell them and I'll fish it out from the
pile and oh yes, good it here and then you've
got that one on one with them, and immediately you're
you're sort of a little bit up in the pile
of applications there, and so it does help to follow
through and be kind.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Now, Kevin, you said you're a bit of a bum
before the cops turned up, and then you've got this
job through through your your great attitude and your positive
approach to things. You worked there for four years and
as that set you off, was that a good platform
to go on to other things in life?

Speaker 16 (01:09:53):
Yeah, definitely, it really, you know, it cemented my my
fact that the fact that hey, money was coming and
it was good to have a job, and you know.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
Because.

Speaker 16 (01:10:06):
Yeah, well that's right, because I was thinking'd come back,
can you yealand at some stage and I thought, well,
I got it some money behind me, I want to
come back and buy a house. So uh yeah, just
that just changing attitude and I think having that insight yourself.
That comes out of you when you're talking with people.
They see it, they see positively, and it just.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Helps someone's John's texted through what I was thinking of.
I was saying onions into oranges. No, Matt, it's turning
lemons into lemonade.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
All right, Is that what you were thinking of? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Yeah, yeah, that was the one I was thinking of. Yeah,
so heaven, you definitely turned lemons into lemonade back then.
So good on you. Congratulations, you certainly did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Thanks brilliant stuff. Thank you very much. Yeah, great, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Does you see it's onions into oranges? Doesn't make sense,
that's some kind of alchemy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yeah, I wonder where you're going with that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
But lemons into lemonade, Yeah, that was what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
That makes a lot of said thank you very much
to that text of John, and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
That has had another text of there. That is how
you pronounce onions? Am I saying angings wrong? Onions?

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Onions?

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Onions?

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
There one sight different?

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Is there?

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Your onions?

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Onions? Onions?

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Onions?

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Onions?

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
You're getting you get a j in there somewhere? Am
I hungeons? If you know how to pronounce onions.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Yeah, no, I've lost my mind right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
What worked for you? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
What worked for you for trying to get a job?
And if you want to haul Mat up on his
pronunciation of onions, then come on throughs's twelve or.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Three the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
That'd be plenty of takes coming through. Jason says, Matt
is saying onions. That was onions. That's what I'm saying, onions.
But the things that you the mini layered are onions.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
You getting a wei g in there?

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Onions? G on onions, onions, onions. This is gonna. I
think I've hurt my head.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
We're going to get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Sussp Benedict Kumberbatch trying to say penguins. Oh, that's so great.
If you ever looked that up, have you seen that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
No, it's actually a documentary on New Zealand, the penguins
in New Zealands. But he can't us his pinglings, the penglings.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
We'll play that we'll play that after three o'clock out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
It's one of the it's very very funny here his
penglings and just I cannot say penguins. M I can talk,
I can't say onions.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
We'll find that audio and we'll play it after three o'clock.
But Anna, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 22 (01:12:30):
Oh god, thanks guys. I'm just ringing to say I
work as a registered nurse. And you might think people
might think it's easy to get a registered in this
job in New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (01:12:40):
It's not.

Speaker 22 (01:12:41):
So I can tell you how I got my current position. Well,
it's back in twenty twenty three. I was working in
aged care and I wanted to go and work in
mental health. It's quite a special teeth and I had
no experience working in mental health. So you know, I rang.
You know you have to apply online. I decided to also,

(01:13:04):
like previous callers have said, I rang the charge news
manager and spoke to her and explained a little bit
about myself. And I told her I've actually got another
degree separate from nursing, in psychology. And she said, oh,
I'm glad you called. I could have overlooked your CV.

(01:13:25):
I'm definitely going to interview you because you know you've
been proactive to call me. So at that point, because
I called, I got an interview which I may not
have obtained if I hadn't have called.

Speaker 11 (01:13:41):
And then once I did.

Speaker 22 (01:13:42):
Get the interview, I always do a lot of research.
It's a new specialty, so I researched the job description,
I researched the specialty, and I was well prepared. So
when I went in there, actually basically I tend to
interview well, so I got the job. And also the

(01:14:03):
other thing is I think people think you can't take
notes to an interview, like you've got to go in
there and remember everything. No, I took a little note book.
I didn't read from it, but it was just little
things that I wanted to make sure that I mentioned.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
That's a good point, yeah, because because I mean, if
someone comes in with a notebook, you're not going to
go You're not going to care about that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
You'll be impressed by that if anything, but you say,
well this person has been very prepared.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
You don't mind prepared.

Speaker 22 (01:14:30):
People think, oh I have to go and blind, and
anyone I ever talked to I recommend go in there
with a few notes. If you've got a key point,
you want to make sure you say you can refer
to it so you don't so you don't miss so.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
And as you say, and just having those notes there,
you often probably wouldn't even have to look at them.
It's just that you've got them. Their means that you're
confident and knowing them.

Speaker 22 (01:14:53):
It's a reminder. And you know, they did ask me
some very specific questions to the specialty, but I answered
them well because I prepared myself. So I've been working
there for more than two years now. It's actually called
it special mental health. And you know I would say
I enjoyed my job. It's difficult, but I enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Yeah, good Onion Andasa. We've got to go because I've
got the news coming in. But thank you for sharing
your story.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Yeah, well done, great stuff. Quick text here, just lost it, kiddy, guys.
I use networking to get my old job at Pulse.
Was there five years before coming to the current role
at Heartland Bank, which I've been at for four years
so far. When I was at Concentrics at Mount Alberts
the customer service, I met one of my workmtes and
went to Bancorp then Pulse and collections and he told

(01:15:41):
me about a roll at Pulse. So I applied on
Sikh and he gave me a good referral. I did
okay at the interview. The screen test was fifty to fifty,
so my mate's referral pushed me over the edge and
I got the job.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Oh all good stuff. Yeah. I call bs on the
word being onions. It's onions.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yeah, definely onions.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Onions. Yeah, everyone's saying it's onions.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
That person agreed with.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
It's you onions, onions, ung onions. There's a g in there,
heavily chick.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Keep those ticks coming through though. On nine two nine two.
But coming up after three o'clock, we want to talk
about Air New Zealand's new economy, sky Nests. We're going
to get an expert on to have a chat about
whether it's going to be successful and try and explain it.
But it's effectively like dirty old backpacker bunk bed. It's
right in the middle of the aisle.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
It's like some kind of flying cross between a prison
cell and the cheek backpackers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Yeah, so would you use it? Oh, one hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number? Nine two ninety two is
the text new Sport and Weather is fast approaching. Great
TV company on this Wednesday afternoon. You stay right here,
We'll be back very shortly.

Speaker 10 (01:16:58):
Tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Talk said the seven past three, welcome back into the program.
Really good to have your company this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
So there's been a bit of controversy on the show
around how I pronounce onions. Huge controversy onions controversy. Even
some people are trying to claim it's onions onions. It's
definitely onions onion. No, it's onions with the g one
thing people. You know one thing I will never do.
I'd rather have my tongue tasted than say pronunciation. I

(01:18:05):
pronounce things and it's pronunciation. I don't care if it's
supposed to be pronunciation. I would rather have my tongue
cut off and then tas it, or my tongue taser
then cut off, ye, then then say pronunciation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
You're hot on that and the teks are going to
come through there, they already started.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
It really upsets people for some reason. But why do
you have to pronounce things how people want you to
thank you, because I argue the always evolving it's my mouth,
it's my voice, my brain, my terrible education language autonomy.
Yeah yeah, if I want to say onions, I'll say
that when it becomes a slight problem as if you're

(01:18:45):
if you're getting paid a lot of money, like bernarded
Bernadict cumber Batch. Ye, and you can't even nail down
one particular pronounce siation of a word, yes, pronunciation of
a word. So this is what we were talking about
the end of Last Hour and the Nature documentary on
New Zealand. Actually and our penguins listen to all the

(01:19:06):
different ways Beernedict Cumberbatch answers penguin.

Speaker 23 (01:19:09):
And the last thing you might expect to see here
is peng wings crested penguins parent Pengwin heading home. So
why are these woodlands so attractive to peng wings?

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
So listen, he's got ping wings and ping lings.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
He really pushed the boat out with pinglings.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Whenever I hear that audio, I always think, did someone
in the you know both that was recording him? Because
you know he's trying to be the next David Edinburgh. Yes,
voicing nature documentaries. Was there anyone in the recording booth
going did he say ping ping wings?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Did he check in a ping ling?

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
That is great stuff. You can go check that out
online as well. Being a benedict, come a betch. That's
a hard name to say in itself, trying to pronounce
ping wings. Yeah, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Ping lings, Yeah, penglings.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
There's nine par three imagin Taylor Taylor, all right, let's
have a chat about this. In New Zealand has launched
a world first economy sky nest. So these are bunk
style sleeping pods for economy passengers on ultra long haul flights.
The pods, arranged like stacked beds, allow travelers to book
a four hour session to live flat with bidding, privacy curtains,

(01:20:29):
that's a dirty word, privacy curtains, lighting and charging ports included.
So for the use of this bunk bed on the plane,
it's going to cost you four hundred and ninety five
bucks for four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
So that's kind of flight from Auckland to New York. Right, Yes,
so you're in there for a long time. Was that
seventeen hours?

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
So one particular time you get to book four hours
to sleep. There's a lot of pressure to go to
sleep in that four hours because you're paying a lot
of money. Yeah, so any second you're not asleep in
that bunk bed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
You're just watching those dollars just all the way and thinking, man,
why did I do this?

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
That's an INSOMNIAX worst nightmare, isn't it. Heck yeah, So
you'll be sitting in your economy class seat feeling quite uncomfortable,
looking forward to the bed. Then you'd get in there
and there'd be a lot of sleep pressure. Plus it's,
as I said before, it's some kind of cross between
a you know, prison cell and a very tight backpack

(01:21:22):
pack is really because there's three bunk beds on either side,
correct quite close together. And when you said there's a
privacy curtain, is that at the front or do you
have one? Do you have is the six privacy curtains
within the situation? Because I don't want to be looking
over at some someone trying to join them mile high club.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
When you're trying to get my amorous behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
I'm just trying to get my one hundred and twenty
five dollars hour. No hour sleeping.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
He's ent a meters away from you, Yeah, so the
privacy curtains there is one on each bunk, but they're
not sound proof. So if there's any sort of amorous
behavior going on, you might you might not see it,
but you'll hear it. You'll hear it pretty clearly.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Oh, you're very close.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Yeah, it's tight knit.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
So what about upgrading e one hundred and eighty ten
eighty Are you a fan of upgrading or should you
just go economy classes? God intended? Do you look back
on those that came here in the olden days on
sailing ships and that look at the fact that you
can get from Auckland to New York in seventeen hours,
and that's not good enough for you. You can't just

(01:22:21):
handle being in a seat for that long. You've got
to be business class. Yeah, you've got to be in
a sleeping pot. What about this on hoskiing this morning?

Speaker 12 (01:22:32):
We're going to London next month and I was just
looking and I priced here in New Zealand to New
York because the simplest thing for our particular trip is
to go from here to New York. Because we actually
need to go to New York. We're going to London
because I didn't want to go to New York directly,
I wanted to go other places. So we're basically going
around the world to get to New York.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
But of course if.

Speaker 12 (01:22:50):
I'd gone directly to New York, like Auckland to New York.
So anyway, I looked up the other day in New
Zealand three seats. To be fair, they are at the
front of the plane. But what else would you expect
from a prap like me? Three business class seats to
New York and return. What do you reckon? Sixty two
thousand dollars? Who's paying that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
That is unreal? Sixty two grand?

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
How rested would you need to be to pay that
much money when you arrive? And would business even pay that?
So if you're sending if you're a business and you're
sending someone over to a conference or something, I'd be like,
let's put this guy in premium economy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Yeah, But if someone said to you, do you want
a good night's sleep or do you want sixty two
thousand dollars? You take the sixty two thousand dollars every
day you can, you can deal with a little bit
of not sleeping for a bit sixty two k sixty
two k, But So this is a world first.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
For me in New Zealand. And we love you in
New Zealand for having world first, don't we we do?
So what do you think about this bunk room? What
are they calling sleeping poor economy sky nest sky news?
It sounds gross sky nessy be cuddled in the sky
nest with some random strangers. Well, I guess they can't
call it the sky bunk room, but that's what it is.
It's a tight little bunk room. Yeah, and it's a

(01:24:05):
hotbed that is a sky hotbed.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
You only get four hours and then someone else comes
and to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Start with you on what I guess the Stewarts, yes,
Stuart's or whatever coming and change the sheet hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Yeah. Yeah, So what do you say, would you use
this economy sky nest for four hundred and ninety five
bucks for four hours? And on the upgrades in general?
Are they rarely worth it in today's climate to spend
in some cases sixty two thousand dollars to get a
bit of shut eye and a slightly nicer meal. Is
that really worth the cost? The real credibility, if you
ask me, is an economy yep? And coming up next

(01:24:39):
we are going to have a chat with aviation commentator
Irene King and get her thoughts on whether this is
going to be successful. But taking your calls, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of nine
two nine Two's the text? It's fourteen past three the
news talks it'd be it is seventeen past three. So
Air New Zealand has introduced its new economy sky Nest,
becoming the first airline to offer these bunks style sleeping
pods for economy passengers on ultra long haul flights. The

(01:25:01):
pods can be booked for up to four hour periods
at a cost of four hundred and ninety five dollars.
To discuss further, we're joined by av a commentator Irene King.
Good A, Irene good A, nice to chat with you.
So is this going to work? Do you think is
this going to be popular with punters on these ultra
long haul flights?

Speaker 17 (01:25:21):
Yeah, so, yeah, absolutely. It's a response to customer concerns
about how I'm comfortable of us on seventeen now plus
flights and economy. You know, I think it's the innovative beasts,
you know, we like to see them out doing this
sort of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
There's kind of a gross out reaction we're getting from
mentioning them though they're just sleeping right beside other people
wedged in this kind of backpacker tight little backpacker cell
and the hot bed nature of it. So do you
know actually how it works. So what happens is someone's
in for four hours and then there's a clean out

(01:25:59):
period between you being woken up and moved into the
into the into the cell.

Speaker 17 (01:26:04):
Yeah, look very clearly, you know, the passage is very
aware of what the clean out period is that you know,
you've got four hours, they have a great rest and
then room along comes the cleanup. Now it long comes
a flight attendant and they will do it very graciously.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
So you're not sharing these going to get changed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Yeah, the change the.

Speaker 17 (01:26:27):
Budding Yeah yeah, yeah, look I can understand it. I
have really bad reaction myself to people with sitting next
to people with smelly feet. You know, when you're done
the well, it doesn't matter where you are in the aircraft.
But look, this is a response to customer demand. You know,

(01:26:49):
you've got an economy there sitting in some of those
seats for seventeen hours. It will turn off people. Now
the thought of being able to have a reasonable rest,
you know, that will excite and ignite some people to
choose that option. And really, when you think about it,
you know, it's not that much more expensive, and like

(01:27:12):
you're already going, So how.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Close does it get to your premium economy price if
you're adding another four hundred and ninety five dollars dollars to.

Speaker 17 (01:27:20):
Economy imagine imagine for memories about two and a half
times for you, sorry that's business class premium economies, but
probably that one in three quarters. Yeah, so you know
there's some good I margins there. But the thing is,
even in premium economy, you know, you're still sitting upright,
and as long as you've got those net rest things,

(01:27:43):
it's it's quite comfortable. But seventeen hours pretty ecky, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Is there how many of these pods will be what
are they called, sorry, sky nests? Will there be per
per plane?

Speaker 17 (01:27:56):
I think it's I think it's six or eight. I
think it's six memory you know, in the right down
I think, And they're probably a very you know, a
much quiet, more comfortable. The thing when you're trying to
sleep on aircraft, it's almost jolly noisy, you know, there's
always something going on or be switched on and switched

(01:28:18):
off things like that, so they will be more comfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
Top and tailing not allowed.

Speaker 17 (01:28:24):
No, no, that would be a safety concer, right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Yeah, so you're in it and you're strapped in, so
you're you're buckled in there.

Speaker 24 (01:28:33):
Yeah wow, oh yeah, absolutely, you know that that's turbulence
has always are and unknown and sometimes very unforgiving.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Would there be soundproofing involved in these bunk beds, you know,
I mean maybe not individual soundproofing, but soundproofing from the
rest of the cabin.

Speaker 17 (01:28:50):
It wouldn't it be nice?

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Might be needed?

Speaker 17 (01:28:54):
Yeah, yeah, I speak so you know, if you've ever
slipped tried to sleep on an EE ground with somebody ignoring,
it's pretty interesting.

Speaker 19 (01:29:01):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:29:01):
I think there will obviously be some increased noise sup presents.
But the thing is that these you know, the dreamline
is that they.

Speaker 16 (01:29:10):
Deploy on these ultra long haul routes.

Speaker 17 (01:29:13):
They tend to be you know, a state of the
aircraft anyway, so you are getting some some noise suppressants
go on.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Anyway, if I paid four hundred and ninety five dollars
and I've seen how small they are, how close you
are if you get some snoring foghorn with stinky feet
and you know they're going to be half a meter
away from you. Not even I can see Kevin cruise getting,
you know, there could be some I mean as the
Edmond for Kevin crew, that's what I feel for.

Speaker 17 (01:29:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean at the Endi Zald Suburban. How
they deal with grumpy passengers. I mean sort of planet
of their motors, operendo.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Really, yeah, that's true. They're all over the plane.

Speaker 17 (01:29:54):
Right, absolutely right, you can I imagine you'd be quite
severed if you've got after the inn and you know
you paid for ninety nine and all you've got was
stinky feet and somebody snoring. You know, you wouldn't be
wouldn't be impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Yeah, as all four ninety five, because I guess there'd
be better times to go. Right at the start, maybe
not the best time to go, like across seventeen hours,
I guess there'll be probably three. Yeah, I'd say the
last year would be the one to get.

Speaker 17 (01:30:23):
Yeah, it's hard to say, you know, it depends on
have you come off a connecting flight for examples, and
the lights come out of Australia. So you know, you've
got jet leg time zones, all sorts of things going on,
and when you you know, when you prefer sleep. That's
the other thing, you know. I don't know whether I'd
like to be awaking from a south sleep right at

(01:30:44):
the end of the trip, just.

Speaker 22 (01:30:46):
To know, you know.

Speaker 17 (01:30:47):
I mean, but the thing is that you're going to
have choice, and you can buy it once and if
it doesn't work, don't do it again. You know, So
you've got choices.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
I would I would be considered about it to your seat.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Yeah that's true. I mean I'd be worried about sleeping pressure.
You get in there and you're paying the money and
you go go to sleep. Now, this is my four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Going to cost me five hundred bucks. I've got to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:31:11):
The psychology of sleep, you might find that some of
those those tablets you can take, people will be taking
those down, drinking taps of water and hoping that they sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just on the idea of upgrades in general, Irene,
what's your view on that, is that more popular than
ever people upgrading, or in the climate that we're in,
people are choosing more to to rough it for lack
of a better word.

Speaker 17 (01:31:39):
No, the upgrades are really positive because normally are on
your air points or something like that, so you sort
of feel like you have already paid for it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
And so that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
If I could upgrade to ANSS just on my points,
that then that that becomes a that becomes a good option.

Speaker 14 (01:31:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:31:58):
Absolutely, And it's a great way of the carrier wiping
off their air points because you know, they that liability
SIT's on their balance sheet. People don't realize that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
But yeah, right, that's interesting.

Speaker 17 (01:32:09):
So it's a good way of changing the dynamics.

Speaker 24 (01:32:12):
Yip.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Yeah, Irene, thank you very much in a chat with us.
Really interesting that is aviation commentator commentator rather Irene Nick King.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Wayne makes a good point. Hey, guys, wouldn't it be
great when on a long flight to find out the
person sitting next year is going to the sleep pod
four hours of having the use of two seats.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
It's a great point.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
So it's an upgrade for both the person that goes
into the sleeping next and the person that's sitting beside
the person that goes into the sleeping next.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Yeah, great point. So what do you say, oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty. Would this be something you
would utilized on a seventeen hour long flight four hundred
and ninety five bucks for a bunk beard for four hours?
And on the idea of upgrades in general, is that
something you always do? Or considering the climate at the moment,
is it just better to rough it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Oh yeah, well it's fine for people like you, Tyler,
But I'm sick three?

Speaker 11 (01:32:55):
What are you? Five?

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Ten? So I don't have the same leg?

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Yeah, all right, Steven Adams that it's twenty five plus.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Three madd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty eighty on youth talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
The twenty seven past three in New Zealand has launched
its new sky nest in Economy, which are effectively bunk
beds for four hundred and ninety five bucks for four hours.
Does it sound like something you would use? Oh one
hundred and eighty teen eighties and number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
High Flying hot Bedding Angie, Welcome to the show. What
are your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (01:33:28):
Hi?

Speaker 19 (01:33:29):
Definitely not. I don't trust their New Zealand at all.
I think the worst company to trial anything. It's like
going to space in a Skoda.

Speaker 7 (01:33:38):
No, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Okay, right? And so what what is it in New
Zealand done to you?

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Angie?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
What happened?

Speaker 11 (01:33:45):
Nothing?

Speaker 19 (01:33:46):
They do very nice adverts and absolutely nothing in the
air They're just rubbish. So if no other airline is
doing it, I definitely wouldn't try it with them.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
So what airlines do you write, Angie.

Speaker 19 (01:34:01):
I've not flown for a while, but the last time
I flew was to Fiji and it was with Fiji
and they were great.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
They're doing well at the moment. I think, didn't they
get They got an award for one of the best
airlines in the world this year. What was good about.

Speaker 19 (01:34:16):
Just the stuff are very friendly. They don't look at
you as if they want to kill you when you're
checking in which New Zealand are quite good. It's trying
to give you death stairs and a bit of a
side eye. So yeah, just all the pleasantness that you
expect from somebody giving you a service that you're paying
from is not New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Right, So Fiji offered some bunk beards, you might consider it.

Speaker 19 (01:34:42):
I possibly would, yeah, possibly.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
So do you agree with Angie that that in New
Zealand is an angry airline is not a friendly airline.
That's interesting. I haven't I haven't really heard that take before.
Do you think it might just be your personal experience
or or or do you think that's Do you think
that's an objective fact? Angie?

Speaker 19 (01:35:01):
I think that's an objective fact from a subjective person.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
You're not giving an inch and we love it, Angie,
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Okay eh Angie says that that in New Zealander's Stinky
air yep, I got to say, being in the scoder
of the year would be being in the best possible situation.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
He care a hand second, but at the moment, yeah, yeah.
What do you say, though, do you agree with Angie? O?
One hundred and eighty ten eighty and the idea of
these bunk beds and economy cabin is that something you'd
take advantage of? Nine two ninety two is the text
headlines with Raylen coming.

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Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Thank you very much, Raylen it is twenty seven to
four Matt and Tyler Angie is not correct about in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
I flow regularly and find them great. I don't like
the purple vibes though. Go back to the teal's Marie not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
A fan of the purple fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Lady does not know what she's talking about. In New
Zealand is lovely. Bali and US, Singapore, et cetera fly constantly.
They're lovely, But no air nest for me. That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Yeah, good on yours those teats coming through on nine
to nine to two, Rob, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Ah, very good, very good.

Speaker 19 (01:37:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:37:27):
I don't probably have to come to the defense of
in New Zealand as much now.

Speaker 16 (01:37:32):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 25 (01:37:34):
Travel weasonly regularly, and apart from earlier on when I
had a guy with I am Emirates card I used
to ND a bit, but in the last decade or
so it's been in New Zealand all the way, especially
with their inter bitten special deals to Australia and things
like that, which makes it quite a reasonable price.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
Other staffs going to his Rob No.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
No, nothing pleasant service.

Speaker 11 (01:38:02):
No no, I'd rather fly.

Speaker 25 (01:38:04):
In New Zealand than quite a lot of other airlines,
to be honest, I feel like home the moment you're
in on the plane.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
I agree said that word.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
I think New Zealanders maybe maybe, and you got the
odds stinky, But I think you know, there's no industry
where you're not going to get someone on a bad
day every now and then. I mean people, no, no, no, no,
you know company is going to have everyone happy all
the time. But I would say, you know, in New
Zealand has problems, but I've never had a problem with
them being.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
The stinkye ratio is very low compared to other airlines
I've been on. I mean any airline in America, the
stinkye ratio is fairly Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
The Delta, the United or Delta stinky. Oh my god,
the whole thing is stinky. And so what do you
what do you think about the Sky News though? Would
you would you pay four hundred ninety five dollars to
sleep in a flying backpackers?

Speaker 22 (01:38:57):
Look?

Speaker 11 (01:38:57):
I would punt it.

Speaker 25 (01:38:58):
I would say, look, if you if you've got a
really good deal to New York, you know, one of
these special deals and you know forty eight hours and
the specialty blah blah blah, And I would go one
stet forether and say, well I might book two in
a row, you know, so you get the four hours.
You forget about the change of things. You probably get

(01:39:19):
nine hours good sleep for under a thousand bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
And that's getting that's probably getting better than premium economy
because you're lying down all be cheaper. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:39:29):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
I wonder if they allow you to stay in there
stewing in your own juices while they clean out the
other five.

Speaker 16 (01:39:35):
Beds, it'll be a less of a problem for them.

Speaker 25 (01:39:39):
They wouldn't have to unless, of course they need everybody
out to clean because they're so compact together. But if
they could allow a few people to stay asleep and
double shift, yeah, I'd be in for it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
So if you if you get double shift, then I
wonder what the changeover is, because the changeover might be
like a half hour, So then then you'd be an hour,
could be an hour, and then you're getting nine hours
extra hour free exactly. It's the kind of smart thinking
that I bet they wouldn't allow you to do.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Yeah, I think they're right. They run through all these scenarios.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
I too, and they hustle you back to your you know,
your economy seat where they change your sheets. You're like,
I don't want the sheets change. Maybe I got no
back back back you go. But if they will, if
they would let you then that would be that would
be smart, because you know nine hours or eight and
a half now you're talking.

Speaker 5 (01:40:25):
Yeah, you certainly would.

Speaker 25 (01:40:27):
I want to be wondering bewn the island, your freezing
onesie doing a walk of shame when that one hour.

Speaker 11 (01:40:33):
Before you had to go back again for the second
four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
I mean, I've got a lot of you know, I
don't sleep in the nude because I'm always worried that
you know, there'll be a fire or the house will
be attacked and I need to go and fight a burglar.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
That's what you're worried about it.

Speaker 25 (01:40:45):
But I doesn't bother you at all.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
I just wonder what the New Zealand rules are and
what you get to what you have to wear to bed?

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
You don't find that out? Yeah, if you can sleep commando, yeah,
because it's a positive.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Where are you changing into your PJS and I'm not
sleeping in my jeans?

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Good call?

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
All right, thank you, Rob, think if you call, appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
It already thinking about the hecks. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eight See would you use this economy sky
nest that in New Zealand has just launched.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
I'll tell you what the Delta fans are kicking back here.
There's no stink are on Delta or American or any
or United. I've experienced the Delta.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Yeah, me too. It is to Delta stink on twenty
two to four back very shortly, a.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eightys talks b.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
It's twenty to four. We're talking about in New Zealand's
new economy sky bunks. They call the the sky nest,
but they're effectively bunk beds for four hundred and ninety
five bucks for four hours. Does that sound like a
bit of you and upgrades in general? Are they still
worth it when you fly?

Speaker 9 (01:41:46):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
Nine two ninety two is the text number? Sand Deep
How are you.

Speaker 26 (01:41:53):
More than that yourself?

Speaker 19 (01:41:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
Good mate? So you have done the skycouch, which is
the more luxurious option? Would you do the bunk beds?

Speaker 26 (01:42:02):
Yes, guess I'm initiate traveling along. That might be a
good option by you. Good family. Then we'll take the turn.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Yeah, that's a good point. I think there'd be a
few people looking to bog it out for the family.
So how does the skycouch work? Why is that different
to a bunk.

Speaker 26 (01:42:16):
Beard Because in skycous like they're what they do is
they had three cornery seats and they have the leg
rest they can pull all the way up and then
it becomes like a small bed for you and then
you can, yeah, you can have enough space for your
legs and everything, and you can have your child sleeping there,
which we had when I traveled in December last year,

(01:42:39):
and that was pretty good. Yeah, twelve hours flight, it
was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Yet and you had the skycatch for the whole time
or was it four hours.

Speaker 26 (01:42:47):
Nice all time?

Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
For the whole Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
And what did you what did you pay for.

Speaker 26 (01:42:51):
That four or all three seats?

Speaker 17 (01:42:55):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Well, there's not too bad on I mean, the skycatch
sounds better me than the bunk beards. Would you you
still think that bunk beards would be worth a shot, my.

Speaker 26 (01:43:05):
Dear tribe, But yeah, thanks, it's pretty expensive for four
ninety five to four hours on me, and when you're
traveling with family and it becomes a bit tricky, you know,
with the experience less than four and in ninety five
only four hours and you got to other hours flight.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
Yeah, now had we had to call Angie before that?
That wasn't happy with the New Zealand's how's your experience
with the New Zealand being send?

Speaker 26 (01:43:31):
That's pretty all right? Yeah, the stuff was pretty good.
I mean yeah, getting ask with EPs US, naxt or
gets and everything, so I think it was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Yeah, good on you. Well, thank you very much for
giving us a call. So Sandpe was a big fan
of the skycouch and he reckons the bunks would be
right as well. But what do you say, Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
so welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 13 (01:43:54):
I'd just like to say or warn people if they
are going to go and sleep in the banks, they
must take eye pittures, be a cloak and take a sleeping.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Call, right okay, because.

Speaker 13 (01:44:10):
In those it's in New Zealand Kevin Crewe and people snore.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
Yeah, I bet they do, especially the situation tight tight.

Speaker 13 (01:44:24):
Get up and go to the toilet and move around
and shuffle around. And also you have to be prepared
to light in a coffin the top one so close
a lot of people get closterphobia.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Yeah. So as an it Kevin crew member, as an
ex Kevin Crewe, what do you think the admin will
be like for the the the estuarts. So having to
wake people up and chase them out of their beards
and then change the sheets, that sounds like a bit
of a pain in the art.

Speaker 13 (01:44:57):
I don't think there are any sheets there, not that
I can remember.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Right, they say bidding, oh do they' Well it could
be I hope these sheets are those matresses that you're
going to tune through those pretty fast.

Speaker 3 (01:45:11):
Just one of those sort of like a plastic of
metrosenough to do.

Speaker 13 (01:45:15):
I don't think they'd be worrying about what goes on
in there, so they'll be just getting on with their
own work.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
So anything goes you reckon, soe they're just going to
close the door and what happens happens.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
But I mean, what's the chances that someone's like, you're
in there with five other people in this tight little
bunk bed. What's the chance that none of the five
other people are going to be doing something gross snoring
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
It's stinky. Yeah, it's going to be low. Yeah, So
thank you very much for giving us a call. So
Sue was ex cab and crew. But what would what
do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number?

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
Griggs. They spend the money on the experience when you
arrive at your destination, not on the bus trip there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
That's what I reckon. I reckon you can just rough it,
you know, I am. I'm pretty stingy, But to spend
a thousand bucks for an eight hour, you know, period
of sleep, to me seems very expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
There's a lot of pushback on Angie's slagging off of
our national AIRLIGN. I have flown long flights with the
New Zealand for the past fifteen years and had excellent
services and and I really appreciate it's checking services and catering.
An hasn't got the stink guy you could on your end, Hey, team,
just my two cents, But flying with the New Zealand
lately feels a bit like a long haul flight without
the snacks. I travel internationally about once a month and

(01:46:24):
honestly go out of my way not to fly local
if I can help it. The warmth and service just
don't feel like what they used to be. And it
kind of shows. We'd love to see them bring back
the iconic Kiwi magic. That's from Lisa. I mean, how
do you make your staff friendlier? Do you give them
incentives to smile more? One thing that I hate with
flying is when you're late and they try and tell

(01:46:45):
you off. So I either say, you know, you turn
up and you're late for whatever reason. Yes, And then
they'll say what are you doing? You have to check
in half an hour before. What do you doing? So
just tell me I can't get on the plane. I
don't need the lecture.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Yeah, I know I'm late.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
You're not my teacher.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
I don't want to give you the back story, but
there's a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
These are the rules. If you're not gonna let me on,
just say sorry, we can't get you on. Don't go.
You know, you know you're supposed to be here two
hours before the flight, hour and a half before the flight.
You know that you're supposed to be a half it's
domestic half an hour before the flight. You can't come
on like that, So don't give me the lecture.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Yeah, I don't need the lecture right now. Ye come
to think of it, there was one time I got Stinki.
I was in the in the Kordoo lounge where somebody
else wasn't yourself, and we kind of time got away
from us, and we had an extra couple of coffees
and some more brickies, and then we heard pounding the
red wines. Yeaound rif gar got me, you got me.
And then we heard on the loud speak and say so,

(01:47:36):
mister Adams and mister who I was with, this is
your final chance to board. Yeah, could beat good beat
And then of course at that point with the oh cheapest,
we didn't hear that, and we came roaring out and
the lady at the front of the Kodoo lounge, she
just said, you should have known better. You should have
known better. I had more respect for you, not to me.
To the person I was with, Simon Barnett, could be,

(01:47:59):
could be, but that was the one time and to
be fair, the other person got more stinky than I did.
But she she didn't like me either.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Yeah, I mean that it's not the job of staff
to judge you. Let's just tell you the rules, yeah
or not the rules?

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Yeah, you know, and not that I thought you were
better than that. This good tikes here to get our guys.
I am someone that has decent and come very comfortable,
but treat an aeroplane like a bus. I travel lots
and don't value the overvalue service. I get the cheapest
possible price all the time. The average meals and experience
is worth nothing. To meet from Reece, I'd rather just

(01:48:36):
rough it. I'm not there to have a good time
on an aeroplane. I'm there to have a good time
once I land.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Yeah, speaking of the sperson ones, have a good time
in the ear, the skypods will be amazing. Three couples
into swinging could have an amazing time in that four hours.
So I don't know. I have the swinging communities big
outside of squash clubs, but.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
I imagine you know there's more out there than you think.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Man, what could in New Zealand do about that? If
three swinging couples, I think you just want the sky
nest out, just have it on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
The customs guard is that you're carrying fruit and vigitis.
Do you like to swing?

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
Then you can't have before you the bug beds before
you sign up to the sky near there you swingers, Yes,
I'm afraid we can accommodate your needs.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Oh, one hundred and eighty to eighty is number to
called get a ben? How are you mate?

Speaker 8 (01:49:24):
Okay, guys, look, I think New Zealand's lost it a bit.
They tried too hard and they're just they're just not
up there anymore. So I flew on them two weeks
out of Melbourne and then I flew with back on
Vergon and version was like it was almost like a
cut of blub. It was actually on time, it was cheaper,

(01:49:45):
and the service was just better.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Do you think because of the pressure that they've had
with you know, problems with the engines and problems with
profitability and all that kind of stuff, that they they've
they've lost the you know, they've dropped the ball on
that front facing customer service.

Speaker 8 (01:50:03):
I'm not sure what it is, but it's definitely not
like it was pre COVID, and you feel like you're
you're paying a premium for a service you're no longer
getting right vision, the vision that the check luggage is
cheaper now I've got a meal. It's just, yeah, you're

(01:50:23):
paying a lot more and not getting you're getting a less.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
Yeah. I mean, like, was Virgin ever really seen as
a as a Budgoe airline. I've always been pretty steady,
and maybe that's it. They've been consistent and when Air
New Zealand has had the bar set so high, when
they start to drift down, then people really notice. Maybe
that's a part of it that when times are tough
and they've had to drop a few things, then people say,
you've lost your way, Air New Zealand. We're in reality.

(01:50:50):
They've just come down to kind of what most airlines operate.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Well, if you're not, If you're I guess what you're saying, Ben,
is that you're playing a premium and so when you're
paying a premium, you expect a premium.

Speaker 8 (01:51:00):
Service, right, yeah, I expect if I'm paying more than
Virgin to the same thing, I expect a bit of service.
But it's just not there anymore. And then then the
video you got you gotta watch like a six minute video.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
The videos they've got it. I mean, you know when
when they had good license and we enjoyed the earline
and we were feeing patriotic, we were willing to be
water board by the video. But but you know, if
you're paying good money, you don't want to have to
watch their their their what do you call them their
vanity projects?

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Taka hay is a dirty word to you. Now you
stick at the takahey video.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Thanks for your cool, Ben. When these bids were announced
on TV one used this morning, they said you're not
allowed to book two sessions max. One session per person
per fight. That's just an annoying rule.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
Yeah, you know, you should be able.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
To roll the room.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
You should be able to book the whole six the
room out with a series of swingers for the whole
seventeen hours if you want, if you're going to pay
the money.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Were's the flexibility in New Zealand, right, Keep those ticks
coming through on nine two nine two and one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number? It is nine
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
every in between.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used Talks. It'd be
it is seven to four. Plenty of ticks coming through.
On nineteen ninety two about these new Skyness bunk beards
in New Zealand's going to offer an economy class for
the long haul flights four hundred and ninety five bucks
for four hours. This Texas ss kido, guys, I'll get
a longer sleep spending four hundred and ninety five dollars

(01:52:29):
at the on board bar, which is a.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Fair points sometimes on the on board bar.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Yeah, yeah, so just spending four hundred and niney five
bucks on booze.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Yeah. Sometimes when you spend it before you get on board,
you don't get on board.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
Yeah. This one says flew on a Virgin flight many
years ago. The pilot announced that Virgin have some of
the best pilots in the world, and then added, unfortunately
none of them are on this plane today. Everybody had
a great laugh. That's not bad from the pilot, actually risky.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
That kind of humor interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Yeah, and this one in New Zealand isn't a patch
on what they used to be. They have just downgraded themselves.
Nothing like flying the American airlines yet, but I will
try and fly Emirates any day if I can.

Speaker 3 (01:53:08):
All Right, what a great chat. Yeah, thanks for listening
on that brings at the end of the show, thanks
for all your texts and calls faut over the last
four hours of radio. My goodness, that went fast. See
Paul Holmes Broadcaster of the Year. Heather Dooplessy Allen is
up next, and after five, Tane Randall, the former All
Blacks captain who's hoping to win Hooks Bay for New Zealand,

(01:53:33):
first Joinser on the show. Tane Renal great New Zealander,
looking forward to that interview. Fantastic islander back in the day. Absolutely,
But now, Tyler, my good friend, why am I playing
this song from Lily Allen?

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Lily Allen Smile? I haven't heard this song for ages.
I quite like it. Why would you be playing Smile.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
The two thousand and six debut single from Lily Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Now let me ever think so we talked about prisons,
It wouldn't be about prisons. We talked about maybe jobs. Attitude.
Having a good attitude can get you across the line.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
You're close. Lily Allen is a Nippo baby, ah because
she's the daughter of actor Keith Allen and movie producer
Allison Owen. Right, Yeah, and she refers to herself as
the Nippo baby in chief.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
She's been pretty successful. We've got to say that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
Yeah, I love the song. We'll be back live tomorrow
from midday until then, give him a taste of Kiwi
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