Full Show Podcast: 15 July 2026

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a chat about the leadership of both National and Labor.
This is after the number of voters who believe a
leadership change would improve either of those parties chances at
the next election has risen over the past year. That's
according to the latest RNZ Read Research poll. So in
terms of the numbers, thirty one zero point seven percent

(01:48):
believe that National would be better place to win with
a new leader. For Labor nearly thirty percent pretty much
the same back to a leadership change as well. So
in terms of recent history for those two leaders, as
you'd remember, Christoph Luxen faced intense speculation about his leadership
earlier this year, before securing a confidence vote and winning
it from his caucus in April. Meanwhile, Labor leader Chris

(02:11):
Hopkins has also come under pressure, most recently in March
following public criticism from his ex wife on social media.
So considering those sort of numbers and the number of
voters who are starting to say that a leadership change
could be the way forward for either of those parties.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yes, so you know, does either party have a descender
that would change the script leading up to the election.
Of course, she took over seven weeks from the twenty
seventeen general election from Andrew Little and that changed things
for Labor. They didn't quite get over the line in
terms of votes compared to National, but then they managed

(02:53):
to cobble together a coalition and took over.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
They did and ruled for two terms.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
So I guess Chris Luxen doesn't seem to be resonating
with voters. He doesn't seems he's flown around the nineteen
twenty twenty one percent preferred prime minister stakes. So you know,
does National need a new leader to buck things up?

(03:21):
But Hipkins is trying to form a coalition that will
get into government. But the poll of polls is giving
the current coalition led by National a seventy percent chance
of being re elected, So you know that's not looking good.
Is it not really a seventy percent chance going into
the election. Do they just cruise in and accept that

(03:44):
or do they think they can change the script with
who they've got, with all the baggage that that Chris
Hipkins brings. Now, I think that the percentage of so
the coalition. I'll find the exact number, but it's an
incredibly unlikely chance of the Greens labor Antipatimari forming a

(04:04):
government in simulations like incredibly low. I've got the number here,
I just can't find it here. I'll give that to
you in a second.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
And that is, of course the poll of polls, which
looks at all the polls over the last twelve months,
puts them into a computer and crunches the number going
back to results from twenty fourteen. So some pretty deep
analysis on that pole of polls. But what do you say,
I A one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? Does either party have a just cinder in
the waiting? And would a leadership change do anything to

(04:33):
boost their chances heading into the election? Tell us nine
two ninety two is the text numbers? Well, it is
eleven past one, be free shortly.

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Speaker 3 (04:51):
Be thirteen past one. So the number of voters who
believe a leadership change would improve National all Labour's chances
that the next election has risen over the past year.
What do you say? I had one hundred eighty ten
eighties the number to call yes.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
So when people say, look Chris Hipkins, he's not as
under as much pressure as Christopher Luxen. But if you
look at the probitibility of a Labor lead coalition with
the Greens and Tipatimari being able to form the government,
it's at just seven point two percent, okay, right, so

(05:24):
seven point two percent as of Saturday. Yeah, so that's
that's not great. No, So if you're looking at that,
would you rather be at seventy percent or seventy or
seven point two percent? And you know, is that possible?
Is it possible for Labor to change that with Chris
Hipkins change, because.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
It's all about building coalition, right, But what do you
say one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number two?

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Call?

Speaker 3 (05:47):
What leadership change help either Labor or National? Ahead of
the election. A couple of texts coming through on nine
two ninety two. This one says, I reckon National should
pick one of its new candidates out of the hat.
Take a look at Candice Kinzer in Auckland Central. Hugely experienced,
passionate female and more than capable of holding her own
time to do something different rather than defaulting to the

(06:08):
usual names.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
This sex says, afternoon, guys, I think the problem is
that everyone is talking about the leader. It's actually not
about the leader. It's about the party's policies. Unfortunately, the
country is on its knees and paying down debt isn't
exciting or sexy. But however, that's exactly what we need
to do. I'm a person that works ninety hours a week, wow,
and I'm sick of people getting a free loading off
hard working New Zealanders. That's from Bill. It's interesting because

(06:33):
most of the people that I mean a lot of
the people that are texting through that don't support Christopher
lux And are because he's too left. They think he
should be in the in the in the labor party yep.
Which is interesting when you think about it, really, isn't it,
Because we're in a world now we're half one side
saying that he's too left and the other one's saying

(06:54):
he's basically a fashion that's right.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, yeah, so trying to claw to that center, I mean,
is that the right move? And would a new lead
leader change that one hundred and eighty ten ages number
to called ghetto?

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Peter good Day, Well what's happened go back three election cycles.
What has happened to the pocket of kiwis the cost
of living has got worse. So it doesn't matter which
party you go for, it's all it's all doom, despair
and despondency for your wallet. And you know the changing

(07:28):
leaders might dump them up in the polls. It's just
like changing parties. But if what did Einstein used to say?
If you do do the things that you've always done,
you're not going to get any definiteanity.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over
and over again and expecting a different result. That is
a tribute to die. I don't think you've set that,
but it is a tribute to him.

Speaker 7 (07:52):
To him.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
But I'll get your point, Peter. So you think that
there's no combination of the current parties that would lead
to New Zealand as having more in their.

Speaker 6 (08:02):
Pocket, well, well, if if you look at look at it,
Labor introduced gs t at tenders and National said how
terrible it was, and they took it with Act and
others to fifteen percent, and then their Greens in between
that added the emissions training scheme to things like electricity

(08:22):
power bill, so the Greens Act and National Labor and
I think even the Maray Party might have supported that
at one state. You know, they're not your friends, they
are the friends of their donors, and their donors call
the shots. Now, if you look at the Opportunities Party there,

(08:43):
what is it whatever percent tax if you have a
freehold property or if you don't have mortgages or whatever.
You know, that is a radical different policy which I
don't support. Incidentally, and then the Mari Party they are
a radical different policy to what we've already got. But
you know between the rest of them that are already

(09:05):
apartment that. You know, what's happened since now stores come
is that you can hold a property, you can write
off the interest for debt. But if you look at
the Auckland property market, it's not going busted. So all
the immigration that we had would tweet the property market
make it go up so people could borrow more and
more money. And when the property market goes down, the

(09:28):
bank gets a bit concerned if you've got negative equity.
So I don't see any.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
But that's all very real good and these are structural issues.
But if you're running a political party party in New
Zealand and you want to get re elected, do you
agree that the cult of personality can change people's votes
even if the structure of the system remains the same.
So if they can find that, if they can find
the right leader that is charismatic enough to wow people,

(09:57):
that that can change today for a party coming into
an election, and it.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
Can change change the outcome, but it's not changing the policies.
It's a bit like Nasa Jahun Israel are all mostly
Zionist and I'm not whether he's alive or not. It's
not going to change. Look at the US presence, they've
had changes. That's really the multi union.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, I don't think you're really getting the point of
the conversation there, Peter. I get it. I get what
you're saying, but you know, you know they're not going
to change the entire world.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
No, Yeah, we've kind of gone way outside the frame
of reference there, Peter, America.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Let's focus on little old New Zealand's little old election
and the current leaders of each political party. I mean
there is a good argument that nothing changes.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
That's right. Yeah, yeah, but this is my opinion, of course,
But no doubt about it. When you get a leader
that shows that charisma and can maybe inject some hope
into a campaign and people get behind that belief, that
can be a game changer. You mentioned Justinda Adun and
that was certainly a game changer for Labor. But whether
National or Labor Party has someone like that in the
in the ranks. But just a question for you, met

(11:03):
and for the listeners. I mean to look at Christopher
lux and he's not getting cuts through. I know Paul
Henry mentioned that you used to and a lot of
people have mentioned he's just not getting the cut through
for whatever reason. He's on about twenty percent and the
preferred prime minister poll's about the same as Hippy. But
for those listening out there, why what is it that
you are not liking about the prime minister? And what
are you not liking about Chris Hipkins.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, so if this was in really really good economic times, words,
people suddenly like Christopher luxeen and really really hate Chippy.
I mean, you know, Chippy's only getting up to nineteen
twenty percent preferred prime minister stakes. But you know, generally speaking,
the opposition leader isn't up there with the prime minister.

(11:47):
But if this was the times that John Key had,
would Chris Luxon be hugely popular?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I mean the people just angry at at the person
that's in charge of the country because we're doing it
tough at the moment.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
It's got to be right. When things aren't going so
right and you don't have as much money in your pocket,
who do you blame? I mean, you blame the government,
even rightly or wrongly. You look at who's leading the
country and say this is all your fault. But what
do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call in nineteen ninety two is
the text number? What a change in leadership make any
difference for labor and national Heading into the election, it's
twenty one.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Past one, feelers focused informed, It's the mic Hosking.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Breakfast till jured Lyons is back, whethers he was chief
economic advisor to.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Boris Johnson, class half full.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
If it's a problem and the bombing continues, the strait
in its state won't be as bad this time. As
it was last time. Is that fair or not fair?

Speaker 8 (12:38):
In the sense that we've had four months or so
for economies and markets to adjust back. At the end
of February when the war began, there were worries about
the US and about the globe economy. Since then, there's
been a lot more residience shown in terms of the data,
so there's more confidence that the world economy, including the US,
can cope with a setback back.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Maylee's
Real Estate News Talk Zibby.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
It is twenty three past one. So do you think
a change in leadership finest or the Labor Party would
boost their chances ahead of the election. Both of those
leaders are on about twenty percent preferred prime minister according
to the poll of polls by the Heralds.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
They don't have her, just send it or they would
put her up. Chippy is the best they've got. Kamel Cippolona.
Have you ever heard her speak? Camel Sippoloni, you've ever
heard her speak? She just stands there. Barbara Emmonds, forget
about it. Karen McNulty is a communist pretending to be
a socialist. Chippy is the best they've got. That's why

(13:40):
they haven't changed them. According to this text.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Okay, fair text, Sarah, your thoughts, Hello, how are you
very well?

Speaker 9 (13:49):
Yes? I just think changing a leader now is not
going to make much different. I just think the country,
you know, the average Kewi. I don't think people that
are on extraordinary wages or even something better than just
over minimum wage. I speak to myself been, I think
an average Kiwi. I think perful, just really tired of

(14:10):
not having any money, really, you know, working hard and
everything's just gone up so much, but wages just I
keep up with that, and I think it used to
be so much easier. We did have a fairly good
New Zealand. I think now, like I just speak to myself.
I'm on my own, I'm a widower, I'm getting up

(14:32):
to a time and age, and I work really hard
on a job, but I just cannot, for what I
get a week survive and I don't know how anybody.
And New Zealand was never like this. This is the
first time of my whole life and most people I
speak to a feeling this, And I'm talking about the

(14:54):
average keying, not people that are on ninety one hundred
thousand a year talking to people who are you know,
on twenty seven twenty eight dollars an hour something like that.
It's pretty low, but we do a lot of it
work for New Zealand, the lower paid people.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
So you seeing someone that's putting across solutions that you
think will help you, Sarah.

Speaker 9 (15:19):
I haven't really. And this is the other thing, the
first time in all my life, I don't know who
to vote for because I'm a bit like Paul Henry
said this morning, New Zealanders just over it. You know,
it's a struggle. I mean I got my wages yesterday
and they're all gone, just on rape, about food, petrol.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
It's hard, all gone. Yeah. And so it was, well,
well you're speaking of Paul Henry. Did he excite you?
Did you think he had the answers?

Speaker 10 (15:45):
Actually did And I never thought him.

Speaker 9 (15:48):
I've always been a National supporter, but I don't, I
really don't.

Speaker 11 (15:53):
I just don't know who to vote for.

Speaker 9 (15:55):
But he did actually excite me. I thought, well, you know,
he might be able to bring back a little bit
of old New Zealand, you know where we did work
hard and we got a good day's pay, and I
don't know what the answer, but I am very dissillusions.
And I said to a friend Lance, I don't think
i'll vote, you know, Oh my god. And I've never

(16:15):
I've been one of those, you know, don't vote. But
I just don't know. Miceillan has changed so much and
it's so sad, and I don't know the answers. I'd
hate to be in government?

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Or was it the resonated with Paul Henry. I mean,
I listened to a couple of interviews he did with
Heather and Mike, and a few other interviews with the
HEROLD Shane Curry. But what I heard from him, I
think that feels like it's been missing, is there was
a sense of hope in some of the things he
was talking about, you know, and he sounded genuine when
he's talking about his grandkids and when he leaves this
place in twenty thirty years time, he's just worried about

(16:47):
that the country that he grew up in. He wants
his grandkids to have those same opportunities, which is a
message of hope right where Maybe what we've heard over
the past eighty months, two years, three years is just
constant winging, you know, we can be better, but we're not.
And it's this person's problem. I mean, is that do
you feel that way as well, that that message of

(17:08):
hope just hasn't quite been there.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
I absolutely he gave me a sense of hope again
because I think very much like and I've got grandchildren
and if we could just bring something back that was
a hope, if it was hope. He did give me
some hope.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Well, he didn't give Chris Hopkins hope. Sarah. Chris Hoppins
called him a blow hard this morning.

Speaker 12 (17:32):
Well I don't agree, Chris, and I don't know if
he's going to do much for us but the same old,
same old, And I think that's what's basic and Zealanders
saying it's just ground hole gay.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
You know, like you know, you work really hard obviously,
and you're quite tired, and you know buy it all
and you feel overwhelmed by it. Well you have time
because I guess when we talk about a leader, right,
it's charisma. You know, if you're going to change a
leader you want you know, if you're a political party,
chrisma will sweep you through. Do you have the time

(18:04):
to get to the bottom of you know, you say
you're struggling to find out who to vote for. Do
you have the time to research it all? You know,
do you have the time and energy to research it
all to make their decisions.

Speaker 9 (18:13):
Because I'm in the medical field and my job is
really taxing, and I wanted to look up something the
other day about changing the you know, superannuation for because
I'm getting to that age in two years, and I
was like, oh, hope they don't stop it. But I
don't know what parties for it and what party's not
for it.

Speaker 13 (18:32):
I hope I'm.

Speaker 9 (18:33):
Safe, because that would really just be we do your
life and then they change it on the out that
you're sixty five.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
It could always it could be the moving finish line
that you never get to. Sarah.

Speaker 9 (18:44):
Yeah, that's what it feels, a bit like, you know,
you were I've worked and I've sustain and a very
hard job, and I don't feel like, like my parents,
there was sort of good rewards at the end, you know,
they had their house paid off. They just think it's
so much harder and everything has gone up. Everything. I'm
getting letters all the time, your bows going up, this

(19:05):
is going up, and I got I don't know how
young family unless you know, I lost my lovely husband
at fifty three, so I'm on my own trying to
and there's no real people say, oh, you know, you
get the widow's benefits. There's nothing for a widow. It's
just nothing. So you've got a damn And I'm a
hard worker, so you just got to you know, but

(19:26):
I think I'll be working to eighty.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Ah, thank you for your call. Sarah really appreciate it. Yeah,
I mean you're a millennial tyler. I always ask you this.
You really think that that it'll be sixty five when
you get to sixty five?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
No, I think I'll be on my own. But that's
all right. You know, I got twenty five years to
figure that out. But for Sarah, and she was so
honest and genuine that she's been working all her life.
So a lot of people will feel that way.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Joanne says, Paul Henry's message of hope spoke to his
oratory skills, not strategy or ideas. Remember the last leader
with similar oratory skills. Hmmmm, all right it is Paul Henry.
Then you descendant, not a put.

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Speaker 3 (21:23):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we're talking about
a potential leadership change in National or Labor. Do you
think it would boost the parties chances heading into the election?
This is after new research or polling rather shows that
the number of voters who think they should change a
leader both of the parties has increased over the past
twelve months. So what do you say, Matt and Tyler?

Speaker 4 (21:43):
The tax breaks for landlords were stopped by labor, but
everyone forgets that was only for existing houses. For new
build rentals, the tax break for interest never stop. Also,
any income producing income the tax the interest tax is
deductible as an expense builder farmer shares houses.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Okay, okay, thank you very much for their text.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Hi guys, Hi guys. Changing leaders is like putting lipstock
on a pig when we need cheap energy, energy independence.
This will drop inflation. Message to nets, drop GMO deregulation
and electronic ruck policy and your ratings will increase. Cheers, Brett,
I mean I think cheap energy if you want your

(22:24):
country to become more prosperous and productive, you've got to
do everything you can to have cheap energy. Yeah, ther
cheapest energy you can, whatever it takes, the cheapest energy
you can possibly get hold of.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
What was it, who was it fella we were talking
to We won't be able to remember his name, but
he was doing some fantastic stuff. You'd remember it was
Oh my god. He was down in Wellington and he
was figuring out how to create an abundance of energy
with new technology, and he was getting very close.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
He was on the nuclear fusion.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yes, thank you. We just need that guy to crack
it and we're home and host if you're out there.
Doctor no pressure.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, well Open Star was the name of the company,
wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Thank you? That was a great chat that was.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
He made me believe. Ratu was his name, Ratu? Yeah, yep,
doctor Ratu. Yeah he made me no dtr Matada. Yeah,
he made me believe.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
I mean, if we suddenly break fusion, it's just an
abundance of electricity an incredibly low price. Yeah, let's going
it might take a while.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, there is that. Dallas. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 15 (23:33):
Yeah, Hi, guys, could have talked to you.

Speaker 9 (23:34):
Look.

Speaker 15 (23:35):
The key to the selection coming is where the opportunity
to get over five percent. Everything hangs on that so
because if they do, then suddenly label or need them
because labor haven't got enough if they keep going to
sleep walking to a glorious loss. But like being this

(23:58):
cricket and you know how they have these moral victories
under Brendan and the curranber.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
A moral victory in sports a good thing, I get me.

Speaker 15 (24:09):
Sometimes the Left would soon they have a glorious defeat
than slaw their pride and welcome like the Opportunity Party,
because they're going to need them to save their ass
if it carries on.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Like it is.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yeah, I'm just trying to mend the number. I've gone again.
I think with seven point two percent chants and four
thousand simul simulations of Labor to partimari and the Greens
getting into getting to Parliament. But I think it's about
what is it a thirty six percent chance for giving
it now of Opportunity getting over five percent. But the
thing with Opportunity is I don't think they're going to

(24:42):
take too many when people actually look into what they
stand for. I don't know if they're going to take
too many votes from the center center right or or
further right. I think that they'll probably cannibalize primarily the
Greens and Labor.

Speaker 15 (24:58):
Well no, now, now since I've seen as are not
doing it. They're not taking from the Greens, They're taking
from both National and Labor.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
That's analysis, yeah, yeah, But what I'm saying is, I
think that's because there's this everyone's talking about in the media.
They're the big new thing. They're a topic. They resonate
with urban elites like all of us in the media are,
and so there's a big sugar rush right now. But
I think what I'm saying is when people actually look
into what they stand for, I don't think a lot

(25:27):
of people would that vote National would go for what
they stand for if they look into it. If you
see what I'm saying, Dallas, you know, well.

Speaker 15 (25:35):
I would ignore all these these policies in that sense
that then it's never going to happen. Some of the opportunities.
Policies are never going to happen. Whatever happens, whatever coalition
they form for these things are just negotiating tools of
the stage. But why are labor, Here's my thought, why

(25:57):
are labor sniping that opportunity when they may well need
Opportunity you see.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
They do well, I guess, I guess it's the same
why there's a little bit of argibardi between New Zealand
first acts nationally at the moment and that you want
to get as many you want to drag as many
party votes to your party as you possibly can before
you get into negotiations with other parties. Right. So, and
if your labor you think, well, Opportunity Party has actually

(26:26):
got a good chance of taking votes from us, even
if they don't get up to the five percent, you know,
they they the good chance they'll take quite a few
votes off labor. Yep, So you don't want that. I
mean those are dead votes. If they don't go to anywhere.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That's they don't crack the five percent, then that is
really bad for labor. Then they've taken some of their
votes and they just get cut out of the system.

Speaker 15 (26:47):
Yeah, it's a light page, isn't it. You know, so
your lifehair that one. Will they make the five percent?

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Well, I was just thinking about this this morning. You know,
why why wouldn't National just come out and rule them
out all together and say we can't work with the
Opportunity Party. But maybe they're thinking the same thing that hey,
if we just let that lie but they don't quite
crack the five percent, then that's going to work in
our favor. That they are dead votes that we're we're
never going to get in the first place.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
But I mean, yeah, I mean, if you look at
their land value tax, for example, is quite extreme there
citizens wage they're treating twenty four year olds as juveniles
when and when it comes.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
To the courts, some radical stuff.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Even if it doesn't get through, it's definitely an ideology
that I wouldn't say was right of center in you know,
in anyone's box. But hey, thank you so much for
your call, Dallas, appreciate it. Always good to chat.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Nineteen niney two is the text if you want to
send through your thoughts. Would a leadership change in labor
or national help their chances ahead of the election. And
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Got full boards If you can't get through, keep trying.
It is nineteen to two.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons us talk Sa'd.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Be seventeen to two. So do you think a change
in leadership for national or label would make any difference
either of the election.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
National or not? Right of center? They are left net
zero congestion charges. It's all left as says that text, Marie,
what's your thoughts?

Speaker 16 (28:15):
Oh, we're just talking about oratory skills earlier, and you know, like,
what do people want? Do they want somebody that can
actually run the country properly or do they want somebody
that it's got oratory skills.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
See, that's the problem, isn't it? Because I think people
can be wowed by a charismatic leader. It's definitely happens
in the past, hasn't it.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, do you think though, Marie? And I hear what
you're saying, and there's been plenty of examples of this.
But when someone has the ability to inspire and to
get people behind them and to have a message, whether
that's hope or action or whatever it may be, there
is a net benefit of that that you get confidence
back into society, You get confidence back into the people,
and that's an initial good. Then they've got to deliver it.

(28:57):
But that initial good, we have a lack of confidence
right now.

Speaker 16 (29:02):
That's true, But I don't think he's that bad.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
You're talking about Christoph Luxen.

Speaker 16 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, there's been worse than him without oratory skills.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Why do you think that he isn't resonating then, because
he's around twenty he seems to sit around twenty percent
preferred prime minister below the party's ratings.

Speaker 16 (29:22):
Yeah, I don't know, because because because I don't have
a problem with him, I don't know why people don't
like him.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Some people just you know, and you know, this goes
back to the you know JFK. Richard Nixon debate back
in the day in nineteen sixty when people hadn't Before then,
people didn't really you know, you saw a little bit
of your leaders. But television changed everything, right, So generally speaking,
before then, people were maybe getting radio speeches.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
But everybody looked like, yeah, they were generally.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Generally reading what they had to say and making out
the decision. But now it seems like, and we've got
this other thing now, So we've got how you came
across on television, but now you really can peeding against
how you come across on TikTok and how you come
across in fifteen seconds, in sixty seconds, and maybe you know,

(30:18):
Christoph Luxon isn't a social media leader.

Speaker 16 (30:22):
He doesn't ever and you can't and not everyone is,
So that's not his fault. At least he knows what
he's doing business, boys, Is there.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Anyone in the National Party that you think, you know,
you could have a situation where Christopher Luxon knows what
he's doing for the economy, he's operating the background and
you have someone with it a little bit more sizzle
out front. Is there anyone in the National Party that
you think has no more charismas?

Speaker 17 (30:43):
Not?

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Really?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
No, I don't No, Chris Bishop, no Erka Stanford.

Speaker 16 (30:48):
He's not bad, He's not bad, but I don't think
he's any.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Better Nichola Willis.

Speaker 16 (30:53):
Well, No, I think she's great at what she's doing,
but I'm not sure about anything else.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
What do you think Chris Hipkins is a couple of
not a lot more popular, But he seems to be
a couple of percents more popular.

Speaker 9 (31:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (31:08):
Actually, why does he do it for you?

Speaker 5 (31:13):
No?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Why?

Speaker 4 (31:15):
You don't know why?

Speaker 16 (31:17):
Just something about it is just something about him, And
I certainly don't think he's any better than Chrystopher luxelm.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
If you had one word, the first word that came
into your head. As long as it's not a profanity,
what would it be for Chris Hipkins.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
That's nice, it's not bad. That's good, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
You'll like that.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, Marie, thank you very much for your honesty. A
couple of texts coming through on nine to nine to two.
This one says, get a guys in terms of a
leadership change for national I don't think that will make
a difference if they have to do it. What about
Todd McLay. That guy stays behind the scenes, but he's
incredibly good at what he does. I don't know if
he's got leadership aspirations, but I think he'd be great

(31:56):
in terms of labor. Yes, they need to get rid
of Chippy. He's got too much baggage and they need
someone fresh.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
How this Texas says this kind of right wing slander
of layer candidates has got to stop. McNulty is not
a socialist. Wow, oh hang on, interesting. M Okay, well
we'll address that after the break.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Okay, look forward to that. It is twelve minutes to two.
Bag very shortly.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls. On eight hundred
and eighty, ten eighty it's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
News talks, MB News talks. Heb it is ten two two.
So could a leadership change change anything for labor or national.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
So there was a text before that said they don't
have it just cinder As is talking about labor, or
they would put her up. Chippy is the best they got,
Carmel Sippoloni. Have you ever heard of speech? She just
stands there, Barbara Edmonds, forget about it. Mcinnulty is a
full blown socialist. So I read that text out and
then this text came in saying this right wing slander
of labour needs to stop. McInulty is not a socialist. Wow,

(33:01):
but what about this audio of of the very man
Karen macinnaughty in parliament?

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Point or not?

Speaker 3 (33:09):
We are an urgency, Madam speaker, and it's going to
be a long time.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
He may as well cut it off at the past,
that it is unparliamentary to call a another member of communists, right.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, I am a socialist and I'm proud of it.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 8 (33:22):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Bring it on.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
I am a socialist. I'm proud of it. Yeah, bring
it on.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
So whether you think that's a good thing or a
bad thing, you know, that's up to you. But he's
proud of it.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
He's on the record.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Unless he's changed his opinions since in the last few years. Check,
we'll check back in. Yeah, yeah, see if he's still
as proud to be a socialist.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
There was some quick research. O one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call Tony. What's your view?

Speaker 11 (33:50):
Well, i'd almost forgotten since i've going. Oh yes, you
actually brought it to mine recently when you said charisma
that is the magic work. Now it's possible that Chippy
has slightly more charisma than Loxam, but Charisma has got
management skills for Africa. I look at history and I

(34:11):
look at the Labor Party ten years ago. They've gone
through that four or five deputy opposition as opposition leader
and there was no one else except this pretty young
thing that've been sitting on the back benches for nine
years called December, and she promised us one hundred thousand
houses in the next three years, smiled sweetly facebook teeth

(34:34):
and got in. Prior to the twenty twenty election, he
is about well twenty it was twenty eighteen. The Labor
Party were slipping in the polls extraordinarily badly. Labor.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yes, So is there anyone is anyone with that kind
of charisma fighting around Labor or National Tony.

Speaker 11 (34:58):
Well, there's no one at all in Parliament now within
whatever it is weeks of a general election that is
showing it. So there's no one else who are stuck. Well,
we're not stuck. We're we are grateful. Some of us
are grateful for what we've got in government at the moment.
We've got a courtleishing government which seems by and large

(35:22):
to get on with each other. They're getting most of
what each of them wants, and it's held together by
someone who's got a firm hand.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Thank you so much, Tony, appreciate your call. Sorry, we've
just got to go to air brakes.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, but just just thinking back to when just Cinda
Adun took over from Andrew Little six weeks out from
the election, and I'm trying to cast my brain back
to what I was thinking at that time, and I'm
pretty sure that yes, there was a bit known about
just Cindra A Doune, but she had been a backbencher
for a long time, and was there too many people
out there apart from the party itself that we're looking
at her as a game changer. From memory, when she

(35:56):
was announced, I think there was a lot of people
coming through saying, really, just Cindra Adune. I think she
was the MP for mount Now but she had taken
over from Helen Clark in that seat. But there was
a lot of doubt about whether she had the ability
to take on that party. But then both just Sindra
made a took off after that first speech she did
when she took over, and that was that. So maybe
there is someone there that we don't quite know who

(36:18):
that is at this stage. But you get them into
that position and get them in front of the camera
and they shine, then it's all on.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
But has that a good thing? When we get wowed
by charisma? Is that a good thing? Because we're very tribal,
aren't we? So we pick aside and we pick and
you know, if we've got a good chief in charge, yes,
then we all get excited and we stop reading the
policies and just do what they say.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, stable versus too much chat. A couple of texts
here because we've got the news not too far away. Agaday, guys.
I'm just back from spending a month in Wellington and
I was totally amazed at the amount of time Chris
Bishop was out amongst the community. He turned up at games,
at schools, cafes, markets, and the list goes on. This
was followed up with a fantastic newsletter that keeps you updated.

(37:03):
And I'm not going to say where I live, but
what I hear from others as well is more of
the MPs need to get out of the community and
meet the people. I wonder if that's from Chris Bishop.
Chris Bishop has just takes that through. That sounds highly
maybe too much praise are this?

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Texas said, why did you use the name Karen McNulty.
His correct name is Timu fred Dak. Come on, he's
not he's not running his Timu fred Dag.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I don't call him Timu fred Dag Kieren Tmu fred Dag.
That's not his real name.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
He got rid of his ute, didn't he He did?
He sold out. He sold out as ute was on
what was it a Mazda, Yeah it was it was
on like four hundred thousand.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
K Yeah, mess of gas. Guzzler and sturdy.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yeah, he was getting all a credibility from that, and
then he went to the Then he went to the hybrid,
didn't he has?

Speaker 3 (37:48):
He still got a swany.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
I think he's driving the same hybrid you are, Tyler.
That's embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Don't tell me that, mate. He's still got his swany though,
doesn't he. They've all got their red swanies all right.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
So I don't think we solved that situation, do we.

Speaker 9 (38:01):
No?

Speaker 4 (38:01):
I don't think there's anyone with just acres and ache
as a charisma standing in the background to flip the script.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, the National Party, but plenty more to come. He
head of the election, which is one hundred and fifteen
days away.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
This Texas says, I freaking love and I've changed the
freaking Mark Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
He's a good man, Mark Mitchell from what I hear right.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
He's got a face for the teeth.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
He certainly does. Hell of a history as well. A
great conversation. Thank you to everyone who gave us a
buzz and tikes through coming up after two o'clock. Is
it fair to give parents more annual leave? We'll tell
you more on that very shortly. News on its way
you listen to Matti and Tyler Adams, hope you having
a great Wednesday afternoon.

Speaker 19 (38:41):
This is an absolute tune.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
every between Matty's.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
And Taylor Adams Afternoons news.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Talk said me, very good afternoon chair, welcome and to
the show.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
You stitched me up, Tyler, I did. I'm already in trouble.
I'm already I was already been called a grub.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
You get into a reputation because Carrie mentioned it this morning.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yeah, here the dupe of selling was there saying only
you're saying I live crumbs everywhere. I said to Carrie,
I'm the cleanest person in the company, and she said,
you're the filthieth person in the company.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Day and she meant it.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
She meant it. And then you go and get me
a coffee and you bring it back and my special
Tipper cup that I have, yes, Tommy Tipper, so I
don't spill my coffee in the studio, yep. And so
you give it to me and I go, good on you,
Tyler for putting it in my special cup so I
can't spill it verbatim, and thank you for getting me
a coffee. You're a good friend. Yep, thanks buddy. And

(39:57):
then I go to take a sip and you haven't
put the lid on properly, and I pull the coffee everywhere.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
It was glorious, mate. You were so happy about it,
and I didn't realize I hadn't put the lid on properly.
But look, can I just say I got some joyman
out of that because you were so chuffed and then
coffee went everyw.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
I just thought, how considerate. Not only has my co
host got me a coffee, but he's also put it
in my special safety non spill cup. Yeah, and then
you just didn't go that final little step of screwing
the list.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Quite complicated, you know, to be honest, that leads it's
over engineered. I'd say, if anything, so.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Whose fault is that if it something blows up, that
there's coffee all over the studio?

Speaker 7 (40:29):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Do you take blame for it?

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I think your enthusiasm takes blame for that. You know,
you win in hard, mate, you win in hard and
fast for that coffee. Just a little bit more, holding
back a little bit more to help.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
I wonder if I could go to I wonder if
I could go to Gareth ebdenall employment workplace and information
expert and director of Ebnamore Employment Law for being persecuted
in the workplace for being a grub.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
I think that's going to have to be quistioned one
when we get him on just after three o'clock. And
that's a good reminder. Good on you, mate. Gareth is
with us after three o'clock. He's with us for an
hour because that segment is so popular. So he if
you've got a problem in your workplace, you got a
problem with your employees, he is the man to chat
to it as free advice. So get on the line now,
get in the queue. It's always incredibly popular. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Andrews standing by. But that

(41:14):
is after three o'clock because we won't have a chat
about another employment related matter.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Funnily enough, okay.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
And that is Is it fair to give parents more
leave than non parents? This is after an Australian clothing
business has been getting attention for its employee leave policy,
which gives parents an extra two weeks off a year
until their child turns twelve. This is a company called
Dish said it was giving the leave to help parents
with all the important stuff such as school transitions, meaningfull

(41:45):
parenting moments and milestone's and illness. Of course, they said
on LinkedIn, this is how we modernize work, this is
how we raise the standards. So it's getting a bit
of attention in Australia and here in New Zealand. So
Frog Recruitment managing director right here in New Zealand, Shannon
Barlow said, employers who offered additional parental leave, we're recognizing
that parents face challenges beyond the traditional PARENTI leave parents period.

(42:10):
And they said, I think it's a smart attraction and
retention initiative, especially if your work force is made up
of a lot of pearance or females.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Well, I guess there's two sides to this, right, you know,
if people without kids would go you should have kept
it in your pants, in your own fault, right.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
There will be some of those, yep.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
But the other side would say raising children is not
a not a private hobby, you know, with no wider
consequen consequences society needs people to raise the next generation,
and parents face responsibili is that cannot always be scheduled
outside working hours. School transitions, you've got illnesses, emergencies. It's
all unavoidable. Raising the next generation of workers that will

(42:50):
pay for other people's retirement, that's right. You know, providing
extra leave can or keep talented parents, especially mothers, from
dropping out of the workforce altogether. So you want them
in the workforce paying taxes as well.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yep.

Speaker 20 (43:03):
So reducing their hours or sacrificing their career progression can
cause wider damage, whereas being able to continue working plus
raising children as a greater good for the future.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I think there's a lot of good arguments for and
against this, and we want to hear from you. Oh,
eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty do you.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Think we need more kids?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
We need more babies to become taxpayers to help this
economy keep ticking along.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
I've got known babies. My youngest has just left school.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
And you've got another who's a textpayer. I think, is
that right?

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Is that university?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Right, he's the opposite of a teach. He's ticking, so
he works. Yep, he works, but I think he doesn't
pay a lot of text for his cafe job. But yeah,
so I'm just trying to think, actually, whether I've ever
taken any time off for them. I don't think I have.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Okay, eighty controversial is the text number as well? Do
you think it is fair that parents get more leave
or are it's allowed to take more time off than
those without? What are you saying to be fair?

Speaker 4 (44:07):
I've spent most my life as a breakfast radio DJ,
so you know I was finished a knocked off at
nine am, knocked off at nine am, so I was
there for any of the doctor's visits or anything. I
was just banging around home.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, that makes it easy. It's twelve past two. Tell
us your thoughts back very shortly your home.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Of Afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons call oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
It is fourteen past two. Is it fair to give
parents more leave than non parents? This is what an
Australian clothing business is a deeen. It's been getting attention
across the ditch and here it's called dish and it's
going to give parents an extra two weeks off a
year until their child turns twelve. So does that make
sense to you? Does there need to be more flexibility
for parents in the workforce? Than those without. Oh, eight

(44:55):
hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call
and nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
The single most important thing for the future of this country,
says this text is children. Anything that can be done
to make that that's more possible should be pursued. Population
collapse will hit millennials and Gen Z very hard when
they get old with no one to work and pay

(45:20):
for their upkeep. So do you agree that the single
most important thing for the future of the country is children?
And so people that are pearents are doing something for society.
Society needs people to raise. You raise the next generation.
So so you know, if you're doing your bit, you're

(45:40):
bringing more humans into the mix that they can grow
up and get jobs and pay taxes and look after
you and your dotage that you'll get it back in
the end. So you may be looking at now going hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
I don't have any kids. Why is this person with
kids getting the special treatment. And later on, when that
person's kids are working and those taxes are paying for

(46:03):
your health care and your pension potentially.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Look for your single bump, then you'll go, well, that
was good, Thank God for those babies. Yeah, do you agree?
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Couple of texts coming through?

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Hi, no to more leave. We used to have roles
with flexi time or a parent can work part time
or work from home options. There are other options available.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Already, right, Okay.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Absolutely, well done to them. The kind of initiative is
the kind of did.

Speaker 18 (46:33):
You read this text?

Speaker 4 (46:34):
No?

Speaker 5 (46:34):
No?

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Huh? Okay, good? Absolutely well done to them. This kind
of initiative is the kind of thing that, incrementally, with
other small initiatives, will go towards getting the fertility rate
back up where it needs to be for replacement at
two point one kids per couple.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Okay, great text? Do you agree? Nine two nine two?
Can I say I used to be one of those
people Now we don't have kids at the moment, we're
trying but not we don't have at the moment. But
I used to be one of those workers that when
I didn't have kids, I used to get really annoyed
when parents would take time off because they needed to
look after their kids. There was something going on, illness,
whatever it was, and as someone with no kids, I
feel like I had to pick up the slack, and

(47:10):
that was resentment. That is That was and a few
companies I've been with. But as I've got a bit older,
a bit wiser, I've rethought that particular mentality, and now
I don't feel that way because it's just say, it's
important that we have families. It's important that you have
those kids coming through, and so that was. This is
how I feel about it now. That is actually something
that people without kids can do to help us all out.

(47:32):
That sometimes you've got to pick up the slack for
the parents because they have a lot more responsibility in
the outside world than those without.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
This is great news, Tyler, because I want to go
and play golf with my nineteen year old tomorrow afternoon.
I was wondering if you could hold the foot down.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I forgot to say there is a cutoff at that point.
So I think the cutoff is about sort of eleven
twelve before you know that starts to give Tristan, Tristan,
what do you think?

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Honest, Hello, Tristan, you're there.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Hello Tristan, Tristan, are you there?

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Tristan my own friend. Okay, we're gonna have to go
past Tristan.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
We'll see if we can get him back.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Sam, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (48:11):
Hi, how I you guys?

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Very good? Thanks for calling in. Sam. Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 21 (48:17):
Yeah, look, I.

Speaker 10 (48:18):
Just I'm probably not the most popular opinion. I'm forty four.
It took me well over a decade to have a
child and two husbands later, but I went through id
it and I had to give up my job in finance,
and so I just think if a child's a blessing,
it's not a given. And I think times have changed

(48:38):
now and where unfortunately just going to be able to
have one kids, But my god, we give them everything,
And why should people have multiple children if you can't
afford it? And employees, I know, you know, companies are
struggling as it is these days. I mean all my
friends are going through restructures at the moment. So I
think it's hard enough out there. Why make it harder

(49:00):
for companies and also for women and men to find employment,
because surely, from a business point of view, why would
you hire someone in their child?

Speaker 13 (49:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Right, Okay, what's interesting? What isn't it? Because even now,
if you hire a woman, there is a chance that
she will get pregnant and then she's on martunity leave,
and yeah, whereas it's unlikely that Tyler will get pregnant
and go on matunity.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Leave, I might still take the leave. I don't have
to get pregnant. I won't take the leaf.

Speaker 10 (49:31):
That's great, I think, honestly, I think. But I think
we've just got to get back to maybe basics here.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
But do you agree that society needs people to people
to raise the next generation in our country that we
need because you know, it's going to be a pretty
dire situation. We we've got no young people running around.

Speaker 10 (49:51):
No, absolutely, But I think there's such a big difference
between a need and a want these days, and what
we need and what we want out there are two
entirely different things. And I just think it's so sad
that so many people saying it's, in my opinion, you know,
and need to go on holiday every year, and the

(50:12):
latest cars and the a massive house and all the
rest of it. Whereas if we just got back to basics. Look,
I don't know times really, Touf, don't get me wrong,
IV if we stopped counseling at a certain point because
it was just got so depressing. But maybe sometimes you know,
my husband, we see it as a season. You know,
I'm loving every minute of that. It's incredibly hard. I've

(50:33):
got it, you know, a one year old boy, but
times are tough. But you just think you only get
one chance of that, and he's going to grow so quickly,
and then the next season, I'll get back into work
and we'll keep going with life. And I know I
take that from a very privileged point of view, but
there was a lot of hard work that went into
a lot of savings, a lot of missing out no

(50:54):
holidays or the rest of it, which is entirely and.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
All that we wanted to do, all that saving and
missing out and such so you could have this child.
You've brought someone into the world that you sound like
a great great mum, Sam, And this is every chance
that this, this young child you've got, your son, is
going to make the world a better place. And so
you've you've put the work into something that is going

(51:18):
to help the future of New Zealand, someone that's going
to help the future of New Zealand, if you see
what I mean. So that's an honorable thing to do.
I think sometimes we forget how honorable and important it
is to bring up children.

Speaker 10 (51:31):
It's so but I just think the biggest thing is
it shouldn't be a giveness. It's such a blessing, you know,
it is truly from and take that from someone that
was told you know, this is probably not going to happen.
You're too old. You've tried too many times, I say,
ain't going to happen.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Do you mind me asking how old you were Do
you mind me asking? You don't have to answer, but
do you mind me asking how old you were when
you when you gave birth to your son?

Speaker 10 (51:55):
Yeah, so I was close to I was just about
to turn forty three. Oh yeah, right, yeah, And so
we've started from process. I've got a few health conditions
with my third husband and then we broke up. That's
thirty being together. So've god fifteen nine years. And then
I met my amazing man now mid thirties, and we

(52:15):
took some time getting to know each other, and then
we started trying late thirties and it took a couple
of years, surgeries all the rest of it. As I said,
gave up my job full focused because it's it's yeah,
it's the hardest thing I've ever done, but it's it's
the best thing ever. And so I think I just
have and I appreciate I have a very very different

(52:35):
take to the average Joe blog out there, and I
do get that. I do get that, and it should
have been so hard for everyone.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Do we just hear your son in the background there
a little.

Speaker 10 (52:44):
Bit, little little teddy, Little Teddy, I tell you what
he is. He's two kids in one and yeah, it's
a true, true blessing.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Well, good on your Sam, thanks for bringing up and
all the best with little Teddy. It is that, I mean,
it is the age that you know, it's I think
the average age is about thirty two for giving birth
in New Zealand. Now yeah, for having their first child,
thirty two.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
That has gone up. Yeah, well considering, and thank you
very much for your call, Sam, And congratulations, No considering.
I think she makes a fair point. But the good
people out there, I mean, Matt, you're still fairly virile.
Is there a responsibility that you need to you need
to help help things out as well? You know you're
well placed, You're well placed to help this problem we've
got with with not enough babies.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
All right, you're calling me on my hypocrisy. So I've
had two. You think I should go again? Yeah, how many?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Ah, I think if you get to five, then you've
done your service to your country. Does that sound about right? Well,
it's a little bit over average.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I'm flattered that you describe me as virile. I'll take
that's that's inspired me to have another three kids.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
There you go, mate, that's what I'm here for. Oh
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
I'll just text Tracy and Steep she's king.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Okay, Yeah, that's important. It is twenty four bars to
oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is it
fear that parents get more perks at the workplace than
non parents? Tell us what you think back in the mow.

Speaker 2 (54:05):

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Mad Heathen Tylor Adams afternoons Used Talk SEDB. Mad Heathen
Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty on used Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
It is twenty six past too, So do you think
it is fair that parents get more leaves sick leaves
than non parents at work? This is after an Australian
company has done just that. Tell us what you think
this text says?

Speaker 4 (54:33):
What load of rubbish? We need less people. Not more
easy for you, gen x is you only have another
forty years on the planet. We have to live here
in the mess humans are making. Having a child should
not be celebrated. It's a vanity. It's a planet destroying vanity. Wow, well,
Todder's I'm a millennial.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I am a millennial.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
So you've got fifty.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
At least, yeah, at least. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
When people say they want less humans, like this text,
I always think which ones they think should not be around,
which humans they think should disappear. We so we need
less humans. It's a very horrible way to look at
the world. Look at the world and go, there's all
these humans. You go, I want less of these people.
That involves getting rid of some people. And personally, all
my favorite people are humans, Like all my best friends

(55:18):
are humans.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (55:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
You know my dad's human, or your family, your children
are humans?

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Yeah, yep. Yeah. So I think humans are pretty awesome.
I think the world's a much better placed with humans
on it. There's a lot of great humans out there.
Yeah yeah. And humans are capable of love. So the
more humans you have, the more love on the planet.
If someone said to me once, is it a Beatles
song maybe all you Need is Love. Maybe it was
Paul McCartney and John Lennon who said it to me, Debbie,

(55:45):
welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (55:46):
Hi, how are you guys?

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Very good?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Thanks for corn.

Speaker 21 (55:50):
That's good.

Speaker 7 (55:51):
I'm just want to put my five cents with then society.
As far as i'm or, we have always tried to
grow society having babies. It's just a natural thing we do.
And families have always struggled.

Speaker 18 (56:07):
A lot of families.

Speaker 7 (56:07):
I won't say all families, but there are a lot
of families that have struggled when they've had a child.
Parents today, I'm just getting a bit sick of how
much these parents get. They get an ird family boost,
they get help with Winds, they can put their child
in after school care in the holidays, they get help
from Winds with that too. They've got a fuel subsidy

(56:30):
working for families. How much more money do they need? Also,
my other point is it puts a lot of pressure
on other workers within that job of that parents taking
all the school holidays off, and you can't have a
holiday because that parent's You're coworker who's a parent is
basically taken all the holidays.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Do you think that problem that you're pointing out there
is a problem with how the economy is geared, Debbie,
because I'm just thinking about my granddad. So he had
five daughters, including my mum, and my grandma lived at
she didn't work, she was at home, and my granddad
just worked in a grocery store. But they could buy
a house and bring up five daughters because that was

(57:14):
the way the economy was geared. So now it seems,
I mean, that would be outrageous, now, wouldn't it.

Speaker 22 (57:21):
Can you?

Speaker 4 (57:21):
I menagine someone that just works in a grocery store,
came back from war war, got a job in a
grocery store, could have a house.

Speaker 7 (57:27):
And I mean, just but parents that I've got all
this help, we didn't have the help back then. I
lived on one hundred and thirty two dollars a week
when I had my child.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
How long ago was that, Debbi?

Speaker 21 (57:41):
Thirty years?

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Yeah. But you kind of see what I'm saying is
that that we've kind of we've got the situation where
we have to try and gear the economy. Give money
to people, tax people, give money to other people, borrow
money for overseas, just to keep people going with kids
when it used to just seem to work.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
I think with what they're getting now, family, those wins,
our working for families benefits, all the stuff that they're
getting now, wow, on top of their wage. You know,
not everyone is entitled to win subsidy. I must admit,
you've got to be on quite a high income or

(58:24):
average income. But you know there's all these benefits available
to the families now, but don't help.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
But all those but those people are still struggling, a
lot of them even with all that help. Strangely, were
you saying that when you when you thirty years ago,
you were you were struggling, but you weren't getting the help.
Is that right, Debbie?

Speaker 18 (58:46):
Yeah, yeah, we never had any of this.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Yeah, thanks to you called Debbie.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Interesting point. I mean, I hear what Debbie is saying,
and a lot of people agree. There are a lot
of government subsidies. But to your point, I think that
is drastically different to thirty and forty years ago, right
where you could have that situation where one person stayed
at home with a pretty average job was able to provide.
But when you've got the middle income couples who are

(59:13):
choosing not to have babies, because they feel that they
somehow can't afford it or it's going to be difficult
to manage. Then that's where it becomes a problem. That's
when we start to drop off in the old baby
making situation, and we need more of those couples who
are not going to get subsidies because they make above
you know, the what's needed to get those and they
just say, well, we can't do it without a bit
of a bit of help, bit of a baby boost

(59:33):
from somewhere.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
But yeah, that's you know, if you consider that within
a society, that having the next generation come through as
a crucial part of society, then surely your society should
be geared such you can do that without having to
tax other people to pay for it. Yeah you see
what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, it's fewer humans, not less
either or it Well, I think strictly speaking, you would

(59:57):
say fewer humans rather than less humans because yeah, you
I mean, let's not get into it's pedantic. But you
use less only for a single kill a mess okay,
like an uncountable nouns. Do you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
I don't know what those two words mean, but okay,
I'll take your word for it. It sounds sounds legit.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Look, I'll take your feedback on board and we'll say
fewer humans.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Yeah, thank you very much for that too.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
I don't think there should be fewer humans, so I
think there should be more humans.

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Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
You very much, Raylean. So do you think parents should
be offered more leave, more sickly than non parents. It's
a debate that is raging here and across the ditch.
More more companies are offering that very same perk. So
do you think that is fair? O? E. One hundred
and eighty ten eighties and number to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Call a lot of people pushing back on what Debbie
said about parents getting a lot of help. This textas
says bs we have kids, we get nothing. Yep, Debbie
is wrong. Three kids we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Get sh.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
I would not say the word I would not say
the word mother of two here in my thirties. We
aren't rich and we do not get a bonus sent
from the government. So yeah, I mean there is sort
of an you know, obviously, not even with the kids
gets working for families, that's right. Yeah, you guys really
w t f more humans? More love? Are you kidding me? More?

(01:02:50):
Humans would only need more mean, more greed, more selfishness. Right,
So what kind of person looks at the world and
goes that the only thing that humans have is greed
and selfishness and can't see the love of a mother
to a child, or the love between partners, or the
comaraderie between friends. Some odd logic, isn't it. Yeah, it's

(01:03:11):
just it's just such a There seems to be quite
a popular, sort of nihilistic view of the world at
the moment that humans are just bad and a cancer
on the planet. We shouldn't be there without seeing all
the beautiful things we create, like, h but you don't
see you don't see sheep creating art exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
We're just that thinking. So the our only real problem
with human society as we have humans. So if we've
got already humans who would have a utopia, but then
there would be no society to think of. Would all
be gone, there'd be no humans to create a society
for us. Yes, I do quite get your logic behind that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
More humans means more love.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
It definitely does.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Yeah, in my love Tristan welcome to show.

Speaker 21 (01:03:53):
Hey, how are you?

Speaker 19 (01:03:54):
Very good things?

Speaker 9 (01:03:57):
So yeah, My.

Speaker 21 (01:04:01):
View on it is that the more we can spend
time with our kids at a younger age, I think
they're better. And my company I worked for bought in
a six month parental leaves and I was able to
take it as a father as the main caregiver. We
took a pay cup doing that because my wife had

(01:04:22):
to transfer her parental lead to me to be the
primary caregiver. But it's the best decision I ever made.
It did cause some consternation amongst my male dominated workforce
because they didn't get it, and I was I've had
two lots of kids, so I had I said, the

(01:04:43):
kids when I was very young, and then I've had
another two of two kids when I was younger, so
there's a twenty two year age cap. So yeah, so
it's the best decision I've ever made in terms of
my youngest spending time with him for the first six
months and getting to know and I think it's an
investment in his future and in my future.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Do you think it's an investment in society's future. Do
you think that he will he'll do good for more
than just you and himself.

Speaker 21 (01:05:12):
Absolutely. I think if you can teach especially young men
like them, teach them love and like how to love
another human without being creepy or weird or anything like that,
then I think all power to everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
I think good on you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Yeah. So your wife partner was at home at the
same time, is that right, Tristan Yep.

Speaker 21 (01:05:34):
So she had a serian so she was out out
of action for like eight weeks anyway. So it was
it was like a no brainer for me in terms
of always in a privileged position that we could do that.
But it was a no brainer. I would have had
to have eight weeks off in some way anyway, because she,
you know, she wouldn't have a list of baby and

(01:05:55):
drive and things like that. And we had another young
child as well. So yeah, yeah, so she was at home,
but she had to transfer her rental leave to me,
so she didn't get anything extra. So it was it
was a pay cut and away. If I kept working,
we were to earn more, but it wouldn't be worth
it to me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Yeah, I mean good on you. Yeah, I mean if
you can, If you can work at such that you
spend more time with your children, then I think that
it's better for them and better for you, absolutely, and
better for society because those children, you know, children that
have had love from a young age and have felt
safe and secure from a young age, tend to be

(01:06:34):
more productive members of society down the track have less problems. Right, Yep, absolutely,
I agree with Matt. More humans means more people capable
of loving and being love. Population growth does not merely
multiply needs and multiplier relationships, ideas, discoveries, acts of kindness
and lives worth living.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Nice, nice, very good. Well put Johnny, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Good?

Speaker 9 (01:06:58):
Age?

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
Yeah, I like to get last core. That was good.
I've heard quite a few people rung up more text
and saying how do I put this? Saw the act
national right wingers view people that really don't wants poor
people having children is the elephants in the room. I'm

(01:07:21):
a dad, I've got a new daughter. For a long time,
I lived on twenty three grand a year because my
assdal was keeping me really sick all the time. And
people will saying, what the hell are you doing having
children when you've got that much money. Well, I turned
it around. I've got a company and I've stopped working
for a little while so i can actually be present
for my two week old daughter. I'm traveling two thousand

(01:07:43):
k's a week while my partner's up in Auckland raising
our kids, and my business is down in Tarna. When
she was pregnant, she tried to actually get some work
in her first trimester and ran into people just wouldn't
employ her as soon as she such is pregnant, from
the kervy fruit industry to working in shops, sources places,

(01:08:06):
or we ran into was men who were going, you
can't work because you're pregnant. Something might happen and it'll
cost me. The sort of this repugnant attitude towards Marty
as well. I went to a New Zealand first rally
a little while ago. I've been supported them for a
while and I heard people talking about us Maldi's breeding
like flies in social housing. And I've heard this before.

(01:08:30):
It's not often spoken out publicly.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
But that doesn't make so much sense in New Zealand
first rally, considering Winston Peters and Shane Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Oh for sure. I mean, you know, I'll collect the
guard man those guys. But you know it's nothing gains
decor Nashol because i'vevoted for both of them. But I've
got a lot of contexts out there, and I often
hear the sort of racist remarks from people who think,
because I'm white on going to I don't agree with them.
I'm one of those pale Moldis and they just come

(01:09:06):
out also and it's quite a common edge true is
oh you buggers and social housing, your breed a lot fliers,
You shouldn't be having children, you should be sterilized. And
that's a little bit of weight on topic, but.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
That's a really common someone someone saying that that they
think that Moldy should be sterilized. I've never heard anyone
say that. I would be I would be angry if
I heard someone say that saying, if you if you
accept that we need more people to work as a society,
because you know, we've got the huge bubble of old people,
you know, people coming through and you know gen X

(01:09:39):
are having less children than the boomers did, the boomers
having less children than their parents, Millennials having less Gen
X whatever. Then it's only strangely the poor people that
are having the kids, because there's all these rich people
that are coming through and deciding on their career or
travel or whatever, so letting the side down. So we
need someone to have the kids.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Yeah, a lot of us poor people are actually have
got to a point where we've you know, we've in
the hits, we've gone out, we've knocked on doors and
got jobs or created jobs through desperation. Because no one
likes to be poor. I know there's a certain element
of people that have given up and they just think
they'll just sit on the benefit. But we're not getting

(01:10:23):
working for families. We should be getting it, but we're not.
And I said to Christine, I said, when we eventually
get it, if we need it, we'll just put it
into the bank for our order, you know. But we
really don't want handouts in this country. We want a
hand up for those people who are struggling. And I

(01:10:46):
know there's a lot of people out there with nine
children living in state. I've got this in my own neighborhood.
And I'm not judging those people, but I think there
is a lot of hatred towards them that you know,
they're just parasites, and it's not true because these people.
I know a guy who's got nine kids. He's working

(01:11:06):
seventy hours a week an eighteen wheeler, and he's looking
for work on a Sunday. And that's because US Moldies.
We love our children. I know, Paki, I love your
kids too, but I love mine. You just don't look
at our kids in the economic way. We look at
our kids as in a spiritual way.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
I look at my kids in a spiritual way. I mean,
my kids are maldi, but I am not, and I
look I mean, I think everyone looks at their kids
in a spiritual way, don't they.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
I mean, well, a lot of people have a misunderstanding
that US Moldies are just breeding and we need to
be stopped. And I know you don't want to hear it,
but it's a very common attitude. It's just not openly discussed,
but it's something that I think is an elephant.

Speaker 9 (01:11:46):
In the room.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
Okay, well, hey, thank you for cool Johnny. I mean,
I haven't personally heard.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
That but neither. I think there's quite an extreme view
rather than a common view.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Yeah, but you know Johnny heard it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Yep, yes, yep, yep, and not going to deny that.
Thank you very much for your call, Johnny.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
So do you think, just going back to our original question,
that it is fair for parents to have more leave,
more sick days than those without kids in the workplace?
Nineteen ninety two is the text.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
If you have never heard that mold Eves should be sterilized,
then what rock are you living under? I think that
person didn't mean mold Eves.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Right, Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can't sterilize the Maldives.
There's no holding that bag. Beautiful place, yeah, lovely, Yeah, yeah,
thank you very much. Keep those dicks coming through. It
is thirteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
A fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
There'd be eleven two three. So do you think our
parents should get more leave than non parents in the workplace? Soide,
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numbers. Stue you reckon.
They should not.

Speaker 23 (01:12:50):
No, they should not, And people shouldn't have their student
lanes wiped off. Either you borrowed it, you pay it.
I'm coming from the position of so I'm instantly a problem,
an upper middle aged white male. So if I haven't
environmentally screwed it or colonized it or I don't know,
stuffed up the planet in the last two hundred years,
I've probably paid for it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Have you got any kids?

Speaker 23 (01:13:13):
Yeah, I have, and I mean they're doing blasted well.
And no, I didn't take hours of time off to
raise them because I couldn't because both of us were
working in separate houses, doing different things, trying to make
everything work.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
Did you did you ever get any help from from
the government at all?

Speaker 23 (01:13:34):
Stood for any help I got with it? The only
help I got with regard to my children with a
tax bill every week at the.

Speaker 13 (01:13:40):
End of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Do they go to public school?

Speaker 23 (01:13:44):
Definitely, the public school, No private schools, And they did
brilliantly well.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
So you did get a little bit of help from
other taxpayers to put your kids through school?

Speaker 23 (01:13:55):
Yeah, I did. I paid all the fees as well.
At the end of the day, guys, we are at
the bottom end of productivity in the world, and we want.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
To give away more.

Speaker 23 (01:14:06):
When do we work out that we cannot collectively afford
to just keep giving away. I know we don't know
how lucky we are when you look at a lot
of other places in the world, But can we just
lay off the GIFs?

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Do you think those stew that we might have a
problem with productivity if we don't have another generation to work?

Speaker 23 (01:14:27):
Do you want to know why we don't have another
generation coming on as it goause people have looked at
it and said it's all too hard and it's all
about me. And if it ain't about me, I don't
want to do it. And that's why I think they've
stopped well breeding. I'd rather a fair baby than a child.
How many kids? How many people do you hear say
I've got three fur babies.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
I was looking around my neighborhood the other day and
I was seeing, you know, lots of these couples walking
both dogs and they're just they're so into their dogs.
And I was thinking, I wonder if that's because you
have got a dog instead of a baby. Yeah, and
go And.

Speaker 23 (01:15:02):
I'm not having a go at anyone if you want
to do that, knock your socks off. That great. If
you are financially stable enough that you can take six months,
eight months, two years, whatever time off to spend with junior, great,
Just don't turn them into or hear into a spoilt
and titled little.

Speaker 13 (01:15:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
But isn't it about everyone, just summ in there, isn't
it about just it's pulling a leaver. We need more babies,
no doubt about that. This is a problem happening in
many countries around the world. So one little leaver to say,
you know, parents, if you take on board and you're
a good parent, and you bring some children into this
world who become taxpayers, then maybe you get an extra
week of leave. Isn't that a lever to pull to

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try and shift a positive movement into into making sure
we have more good parents and babies coming through.

Speaker 23 (01:15:52):
I'm a good, honest worker. I turn up early, I
go home late. I do all the overtime I can get.
I take very little thick leave, if any at all.
What do I get extra?

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
M you get the feeling?

Speaker 23 (01:16:03):
Can you do some more overtime on the weekend?

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Satisfaction you get extra?

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Do you get any slight feeling of superiority ste.

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
Not at all.

Speaker 13 (01:16:13):
And I'm not saying that's me.

Speaker 23 (01:16:14):
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that's me. I'm
giving you the example of if I'm a you know,
if I'm doing that, what's in it for me?

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
I'm coming from that point.

Speaker 23 (01:16:24):
If you're not from me personally, get me wrong, I'm
not going to I.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Guess it would have to be that we decide as
a society that we think that the procreation of the
next generation is something that's good for all of us.
We'd have to decide that that was. And I'm not
sure if left and right could get together on that
because I think the left that and I don't think
the right thing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Not left or right.

Speaker 23 (01:16:47):
This isn't left or right. This is generational because if
you look at Japan, they're going backwards. If you look
at a lot of companies, countries, they are all going backwards.

Speaker 13 (01:16:54):
So we're not on our own.

Speaker 23 (01:16:55):
This is not a Kiwi thing. It's not a New
Zealand thing. It's not a Maria. It's not a Pacific islander.
It's not a Chinese, it's not a New Zealand. It's
not an English. This is a worldwide trend.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Yeah, absolutely, Stu, thanks for your call.

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Speaker 24 (01:18:23):
Good.

Speaker 25 (01:18:23):
Hey, guys, how you doing very good?

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty you've got a
question for Gareth, give us the ring. And you're dealing
with a lot of redundancies at the moment around AI,
Is that right, Gareth?

Speaker 25 (01:18:34):
Yeah? Increasingly. I mean, we kind of knew that this
would be coming, but I've been a bit surprised at
how quickly it's happening. Lots of people losing their jobs
and being replaced by computers and robots.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Yeah, but you know, we're also finding out that AI
isn't what it was cracked up to be, and a
lot of companies are getting buyers remorse. People jumped in
there and they don't actually realize what a human is
really doing in their job, especially encoding. It's interesting. I've
been looking to this a lot about They've got rid
a lot of coders and then found out that the
slop that AI pumps out and all the decisions and

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the little nuances that a human brings to it. So
you might have a whole lot of people that are
that are losing their jobs now, but I'm hopeful for
the future that humanity will be appreciated.

Speaker 25 (01:19:23):
I mean, the other thing that I'm dealing with, there's
a lot of clients who ask AI to help them
with their employment dispute, and most of the time it's, yeah,
I don't think I'm going to be redundant anytime soon.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
Well, well, the thing, from a legal perspective, AI isn't
legally responsible for what it does, and so you know,
and for nearly everything that you do as a human,
you have to have someone that is responsible for the output.
And so if you just use AI then and you
put it out there, you're still responsible which you use
it or not. So if you fire all that slopout

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then and it gets it wrong, you know, you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Can't go Yeah, talk to Chet GPT you said it
was okay, it doesn't matter, Yeah, yeah, Right, if you
had a question for Gareth, now is your opportunity. He's
not with us long oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you've got an issue in your workplace, or if
you're in an employer and you're a bit confused about
some legislation, he is the man to chat to or
some situation, He's a man to chat to right now.

(01:20:26):
Nine two ninety two is the text number as well.
A couple of texts coming through this One says, get
a Gareth, wanting some advice on how to navigate by
here we go. Potential redundancy while on maternity leave? Is
that legal? And what are my options?

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:20:43):
This is this is one that comes up quite often
because there are a lot of misunderstandings out there. You
can still be made redundant while you're on parental leave,
but you can't be made redundant because you're on parental leave.
So as long as there is a genuine business reason,

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you know, all of the usual principles apply. It needs
to be about the role, not about the person. And
you know, if you happen to be on parental leave,
they still need to consult with you. They still need
to give you an opportunity to provide feedback. But yes,
potentially your position could be disestablished and you could be
made redundant.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Okay, keep those text questions coming through On nine two
nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
This is an interesting one. The first question I have
there's only one question come through, but it starts with
the first question I have is with regards to teams
chats within a team of four, can a team leader
take a line from that chat and give that to
his boss purely to gain favor in nothing else? He
has said a lot worse than what I said in

(01:21:51):
the team chat, says this text. So if you're having
a guess to paraphrase it, do you understand what the
question is Gareth? Because I think what he says. You're
within work, you say a whole of stuff, But if
you're at the job, is everything that you say in
your job owned by the the employer in a way?

Speaker 25 (01:22:12):
Well, I think you should be very careful when you're
in a team's meeting. You should be working on the
basis that there's a very high possibility that it's it's
being recorded in some way, whether or not it's been
recorded through the team's app. And yes, that could have ramifications.

(01:22:34):
Of course, I'm interested in the passing it on to
curry favor. What does that mean? You know, if there's
any sort of backlash, well, you should get the opportunity
to give the whole context, Give the other side of
the discussion.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Yeah, if I was an employeer and someone came to
me with something from Teams and they said, okay, good.
This is if copied and paste this from the transcript
from Teams. This is what he says, slaking you off
in the teams, I think I would maybe look down
on the person doing that as much as the other person.

Speaker 25 (01:23:06):
Totally.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Yeah, your brown nose tattle tape. Yeah, yeah, interesting situation, Yeah, exactly, exactly,
keep those teaks given through on nine two nine two
and taking your calls. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
if you got a question for Gareth, Now is your chance?
It is twelve past three, bag very shortly used talk
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(01:23:28):
He's an employment lawyer and director of Abdena Employment Law. So, oh,
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This is your chance. He's not with us long and
it is free advice.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
This text here is not a question. It's a follow
up on the previous text that we read out that
happened to me on a WhatsApp thread. We were all
slacking off our manager. One of the guys in the
chat screen grab what I said and sent it to
the guy I was called in for a chat, but
the guy had closed the chat down, so I couldn't
show that everyone would have been doing it. Guy was like,

(01:23:58):
it didn't smack him in the head dirty, So I
don't know.

Speaker 25 (01:24:03):
My question is, what are you thinking doing it in writing?
You know, I'm a realist. Occasionally people are going to
slag off their manager, but jeez, don't put it in writing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Yeah, yeah, how far does that go? Gareth?

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
I mean, if there's you know, just for an example here,
there's a WhatsApp chat situation happening that's kind of semi
related to work, but you also use it for personal stuff.
I mean, can the boss get access to that?

Speaker 22 (01:24:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:24:29):
Potentially, I mean, especially if one of the people in
the chat decides to give them a copy of it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
It's a good point.

Speaker 25 (01:24:37):
Most most employment agreements or IT policies these days have
a provision in them that if you're posting something on
social media or in other communications that you're sharing the
third parties that can be linked back to work or
relates to work in some way, there can be work consequences.

(01:24:57):
So you know. Often, often people will have a social
media profile that has their name on it doesn't necessarily
say where they work, but they make some comments that
reflect poorly on their employer. It's pretty easy to google
where someone works these days, and that can have consequences.

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I think people should be very very careful before they
put something on social media that their employer might be
unhappy with. And if you're going to slag a few boss,
do it the old fashioned way, to do it the
way and.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Then deny that. I deny it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
But also, like this person is saying everyone was slagging
off the boss, it might not be the case. Sometimes
people have just perspect a perspective of what's going on.
You might have been the only one that was slagging
the boss off. This Texas says, can I record a
meeting where I don't feel safe with what's happening? Will
I get in trouble for recording the meeting if I
don't tell them? That's an interesting one. So you're worried

(01:26:01):
about what happened the meeting, and you flick your phone
on and voice recorded or something.

Speaker 25 (01:26:06):
And what I often find is that people say they
recorded it because they didn't feel safe but actually they
recorded it because they wanted to. They wanted to set
someone up. If you record a meeting and don't tell
the other side that you're recording it, that can be
seen as a breach.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
Of good faith.

Speaker 25 (01:26:26):
So there could be consequences. Now, if you're genuinely not
feeling safe, is recording the meeting actually the best way
to protect yourself? Why haven't you raised those concerns in
another way? So it's not it's not always a bad idea,
but it does come with some real risks.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Okay, Hamish, you're on with Gareth.

Speaker 24 (01:26:49):
Wow, thanks for taking a call.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Guys, welcome to her health.

Speaker 24 (01:26:54):
Hey okay, so yeah, this is a question to spout
my wife. She's she's currently employed, but isn't getting any
key Receiver IMBER and was never signed up with key
Receiver when she was employed.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 25 (01:27:12):
For quite a while now it has been compulsory to
actually go through that process when someone is employed. There
are some exceptions, certain types of employees don't have to
be enrolled in key we saver I suggest the first
step is that she should raise this with her boss

(01:27:32):
if she does want to be enrolled in it, and
and get onto that asap. If she thinks that she
should have been enrolled or it should have been raised
with her.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
And it wasn't.

Speaker 25 (01:27:44):
She's potentially got a claim, but but you're going to
have to be able to prove that. I would definitely
be dealing with it sooner rather than later.

Speaker 24 (01:27:55):
Okay rnny. Yeah, because originally she was employed on a
residence visa and then leave the job and then came
back and got reemployed, reemployed in twenty twenty one, so
I think it should have been started.

Speaker 25 (01:28:11):
Yeah, So so I would look back and see what
the position was in twenty twenty one. This is something
that has changed a few times, and you know that
was a while ago. So actually making the case now
that something should have happened back then it may be tricky,
but but worth a chat.

Speaker 24 (01:28:32):
Excellent, Okay, thanks, So how guys all good?

Speaker 21 (01:28:34):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Good?

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
Yeah, we'll the best famish big push for compulsory kiwi
sover isn't there coming out? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Yeap, ye have some big changes there. Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call if
you've got an issue at work or you've got some
questions regarding your employees. Now as your opportunity. Gareth abdenaal
employment lawyer, is with us.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Here is an interesting one. Gareth, I have a situation
where my employee has been convicted on criminal charges at
charges and has been remanded in custody awaiting sentencing. Wow,
the charges mean it will be a multi year cent
It's how do I go about terminating his employment? His
employment contract covers misconduct in the worst workplace, but doesn't

(01:29:14):
say anything specifically about criminality outside of work. So many
different situations than your professionally.

Speaker 25 (01:29:23):
Yeah, you know, I I think you've you've got a
good case that criminal conduct committed outside the workplace still
affects the workplace. You've You've got a whole lot of
possibilities there. It's conduct that could reflect negatively on the employer.

(01:29:45):
But you know, as a more practical issue, if the
person's going inside for a couple of years, is it
reasonable to keep that position open for them? And I
suspect not. You know, you can't just go and terminate
someone's employment in those conditions. You may actually have to

(01:30:05):
at least put it to them and give them an
opportunity to spawn, perhaps through their defense lawyer if they
have one. So there are a few complexities there, but
generally you're not expected to keep a role open for
someone if they are going to jail for a couple
of years.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Keep those teas coming through on nine two nine to two.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
Hi, guys, Gareth can a supervise a slash boss? Keep
asking when you are going to retire? Isn't that agism
and illegal? Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:30:38):
And this one comes across my desk quite often because
it's quite a difficult position for employers as well, where
you've got someone who is passed the retirement age. You
suspect that they're going to be retiring soon, and you
want to plan for that. You know, you're not trying
to push them out the door, but you do want

(01:30:59):
to have a succession plan in place. So how do
you deal with it? I don't think asking someone if
they've got any plans to retire is discrimination or is
an issue. I think it's a legitimate question to ask someone.
But if you keep asking it over and over again,
that's a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
So what once every two and a half months or something.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Day about time you put your feet up, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Every morning when you walk in the door, when are
you going to retire?

Speaker 22 (01:31:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:31:34):
I mean I don't think there's any fixed rules on
how often doing it every day? That's that's definitely crossing
a line. Maybe a couple of times a year would
be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Yeah, keep asking sounds like a lot.

Speaker 25 (01:31:47):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know you could also say you
could say to someone, Hey, I know you're past the
retirement age. I'm happy for you to keep working. It's
going great now, but I would like to have some
time to plan. So if you do have thoughts about
when you want to retire, you know, I really appreciate

(01:32:09):
it if you give me a heads up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Yeah, very good. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you've got a question for Gareth.
This is your opportunity employment lawyer. He's brilliant and nine
two ninety two is the text and coming out after
the Break is a good text. Here about some issues
with the company cast. We'll get to that soon. It
is twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB twenty six past three.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
And we're joined by Gareth Abdenall, employment workplace and information
expert and director of Abdenall employment Law. Taking your calls
on one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got a question, Harry,
welcome to the show. Yes, hello, Hello, you're on with Gareth.

Speaker 11 (01:32:53):
Yea, Gerek.

Speaker 18 (01:32:54):
How are you good? Afternoon afternoon?

Speaker 25 (01:32:57):
How can we help?

Speaker 18 (01:32:59):
Yeah, I got a question to ask if it's exactly
right or no, I'm in doubt. I work for a
company for ten years and the QC say no, one
was my deduction of three percent and actually he directed
six percent of my pay and was paying his share
of three percent. Is it possible?

Speaker 25 (01:33:18):
Well, and anything's possible. If you're concerned that the correct
deductions haven't been made, I would take that up with
your employer and ask for a breakdown of your pay.
It is possible that they have done that accidentally.

Speaker 18 (01:33:37):
And no, but it was done for nearly ten years,
and I have commented.

Speaker 25 (01:33:42):
On that it could still be an accident. Accidents do happen,
and sometimes people make an accident that continues for a
long period of time. If if you've agreed, yeah, I
can't comment on your particular case without seeing all of
the documents. But yes, it is possible that that has happened.

(01:34:05):
If that's not something you agreed to. That's a new
you that your employer is going to have to sort
out with you then, So the first thing to do
is to raise it with them, make sure you do
it in writing so that you've got a record of.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
It, good.

Speaker 18 (01:34:20):
Quity with them on the table.

Speaker 11 (01:34:22):
And then they.

Speaker 18 (01:34:23):
Said, oh, no, that's that's that's what we are paying
from your pay. Yeah, we're not paying you. You're paying
for your pick, so not us.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
So I'll just think in my head around it. So
you so six percent if your pay was going towards
Kiwi Saber, and they were saying that was covering their
three percent and your three percent?

Speaker 7 (01:34:44):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Right?

Speaker 18 (01:34:45):
Yes, that's correct?

Speaker 21 (01:34:46):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
And you raised that and what did they say? They said,
that's the way it's supposed to go.

Speaker 25 (01:34:51):
Yes, And and if that's what's happened, you've you've potentially
got grounds for a claim against them, and you can
wreck you can claim that three percent that they didn't pay,
but you're going to have to have someone go through
the documents and make sure that that is actually the case.

(01:35:11):
So you know, if this has happened for ten years,
it sounds like you've potentially missed out on a large
amount of money, and it'd be worth it'd be worth
engaging a lawyer or representative to look at this for you.

Speaker 18 (01:35:25):
Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you, Gary, is
going to be correct for my company to doing that?

Speaker 25 (01:35:32):
Or Yeah, as I say, if that's what they've actually done,
you've potentially got grounds for acclaim. But I can't tell
you that without looking at all of the documents, et cetera.
So you're going to have to engage someone to do
that for you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
Or the bear Starry. Yeah, sounds like you need to
seek some professional advice there and pay them. Hans, how
are you?

Speaker 13 (01:35:54):
Yes, good afternoon, Thanks for taking my call. A friend
of mine got called in on her day off. What's
your normal rate work scheduled day off for her to
come in to work for a fire drill?

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
Well?

Speaker 13 (01:36:11):
Probably, and they're probably going to pay for about like
one hour, but the text are like half an hour
they drive to work, half an hour they've gone back
from work. Now, years and years and years ago, I
knew there was a rule that you could not employ
somebody for less than four hours. Now, I'm not sure
what the situation is at the moment. Is it legal

(01:36:34):
for her employer to call her in on a day
off for a fire drill and just only to pay
it for let's say, like half an hour or an hour.

Speaker 25 (01:36:45):
I have to say, that is a very bizarre situation
and I have never come across something like that in
all of my years of doing this. I can't imagine
why someone would have to come in on the day
or for a fire drill.

Speaker 22 (01:37:02):
I've never heard of that operation all together, right, because
there would be more staff than what you normally would have.

Speaker 25 (01:37:09):
Yeah, very weird. That that is quite strange. And you know,
depending on the type of job, perhaps there's some sort
of requirement, but nothing.

Speaker 13 (01:37:24):
She's a caregiver, right, I mean, I still.

Speaker 25 (01:37:27):
I still can't see why she would have to come
in on her day off to do that. It seems
very odd to me.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
Does she does she work?

Speaker 7 (01:37:36):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
Does she normally work weekends or something?

Speaker 18 (01:37:38):
Harns No, No, No, she was.

Speaker 13 (01:37:42):
Normally it was on a Friday, and normally Thursdays and
Fridays are her scheduled days.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
Off, right, I say so. I guess retirement villas you
kind of need to do practice the.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Help out with the residents, help out.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Getting people out. It's not the same as a normal
workplace because a lot of people need to get gets,
you know.

Speaker 25 (01:38:04):
But if there was a real fire, surely there would
be enough curious there to help the residents, you know.
I mean, the whole thing just doesn't make sense. And
of course I don't know if they have a contractual
right to require her to come in on her day off.
That really depends on what's in the employment agreement. Sometimes

(01:38:26):
you can ask someone to come in, but that could
be an availability issue, and if you're not paying them
compensation to be available, then they can potentially refuse to
come in.

Speaker 13 (01:38:39):
Yeah, that probably would pay her, but probably only for
like one hour. And like forty years ago, I was
aware that like we could not employ somebody for less
than four hours because like it text people time to
get ready for work, gets time for them to go
to work.

Speaker 25 (01:39:00):
Things have definitely changed since then, and people can can
work for less than four hours and can get paid
for less than for hours. I think the bigger issue
here is do they have a contractual right to require
her to come in on her day off? And if so,
was it reasonable to require her to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
It's not much of a test if you drive there
knowing it's going to happen and then.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
You arrive make numbers very weird y. Yeah yeah haards,
thank you very much for your question and your call.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Gareth ebdenor employment lawyer,
is with us for around another twenty minutes, So now's
your opportunity if you've got a question to ask them.
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Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty three to
four and we're joined by Gareth Abdenall, employment lawyer and
director of Abdenall Employment Law. He is here for about
another fifteen minutes. So if you've got an issue in
your workplace of your employer, who's got a curly question,
now is your opportunity? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number? Get a mark?

Speaker 22 (01:41:20):
Hey, hey, Gar, thanks for taking my call. I've got
a little workplace in christ Church with about twenty employees
and we've got one that's stopped talking to us, and
he's also refusing to take any breaks and it appears
that he's working to rule trying to trip us up,

(01:41:41):
If that makes sense, Can we force him to take
his breaks, like his morning tea and his afternoon tea.
He's just working through the whole day and he says
nothing to no one.

Speaker 25 (01:41:54):
Yeah, I think this is a situation that you're right
to be concerned about. If someone's not taking breaks, often
that so that they can set up a claim later
that they've they've they haven't been divided breaks be the
stress and overworked and see it's an unsafe workplace. Now,

(01:42:15):
if he's not taking his breaks, you should raise that
with him, make sure that there's a written paper trail
of that. And if he persists doing that, then it
sounds like it's grounds for disciplinary process and it may
be that you wish him with warnings and if he
keeps doing it, then he might get dismissed. I guess

(01:42:39):
when someone starts behaving that why, I often wonder what
else is going on? You know, what other issues are there,
and so I'd be thinking about that as well. You
know what has prompted this. Is it something in the
workplace or is it something out the workplace? But definitely

(01:43:01):
that's a red flag when someone's not taking their breaks.
Generally there's a reason why and it's not good.

Speaker 22 (01:43:09):
Yeah, So we can't just.

Speaker 24 (01:43:12):
There.

Speaker 22 (01:43:13):
There is a bit of background which I'm it would
take too long to go through on this, but this
has recently started and we kind of feel he's trying
to trap us.

Speaker 25 (01:43:25):
Yeah, And there's no issue with you giving reasonable instructions
to your employees, one of which could be it's time
to take a break now, and if they ignore those instructions,
most employment agreements say that repeated ignoring of instructions is

(01:43:45):
misconduct or serious misconduct and could could result in disciplinary
process in getting sacked.

Speaker 22 (01:43:52):
So in which case we just have to follow the
acknowledged process. That's right with his refusal to take instruction.

Speaker 25 (01:44:01):
Yeah, definitely, but it's something that I think you should
actively manage because if you let him get away with it,
then there may be a claim coming shortly afterwards.

Speaker 22 (01:44:19):
Actively manage, as in, let him continue not to take breaks.

Speaker 25 (01:44:23):
No, tell him to take his breaks, and keep a
record of when he refuses. Okay, all right, okay, all right,
good luck with that one.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Yeah, that's great, Thank you very much, Mark, and thank
you for your call. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty If You've got a question.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
This Texas has been working at a place for twenty years.
They have just realized that they have underpaid the warehouse
workers fifteen minutes a day. They were giving us an
unpaid lunch break for thirty minutes, but making it forty
five minutes unpaid. Can we get back pay for this?

Speaker 25 (01:44:54):
Yeah, well, I would be expecting some back pay. With
payment issues, generally, there's a six year period that you
can go back and and you know, if I'd been
underpaid for fifteen minutes for an extended period of time,
I'd be wanting some back pay. And it's not unusual

(01:45:17):
to well it's not common, but I do see this
from time to time where there is a genuine error
in payment and the employer does make good. Now, they
may not be able to afford to pay all of
the back pay that's going immediately, but as long as
they do that over a reasonable period of time, that

(01:45:41):
seems like a fear outcome.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
It's interesting because this is we've been working at the place
for twenty years. They have just realized that they have
underpaid the warehouse workers. So the employer has worked has
realized it. It's not like the gone to them exactly.

Speaker 25 (01:45:57):
The fact that the employer has communicated this in some
way says to me that they are going to and
do the right thing.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Imagine coming to work one day and finding out that
you've underpaid your workers by fifteen minutes for the last
twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Yeah, and there wouldn't be a good day.

Speaker 25 (01:46:15):
It wouldn't be a good day to be the payroll manager,
would it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
Yeah, they're going to take a cut on that one
for sure. Quickly, this Texter says, Hi, Gareth, my company
has just been brought by another company. I have been
told employment agreements just roll over, just checking is this correct?
Or do we need new employment contracts?

Speaker 6 (01:46:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:46:35):
It really depends on the nature of the business selem purchase.
Sometimes it just continues with a different name. Now you
don't need a whole new employment agreement if you go
from company and now a company A to company B
with all of the same terms and conditions. Of course,
sometimes there is a substantive change and your conditions will

(01:46:59):
change and you'll be offered a new employment agreement and
if you don't agree to it, then you might be
made redundant. In this case, it seems like everything's staying
the same so you don't need a new agreement.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
Great right beg very shortly. But oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've
got a question for Gareth Abdenall, employment lawyer. It is
seventeen to four.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk sa'd.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Be It is fourteen to four and we are joined
by Gareth Abdenall, a director of Abdenor Law and an
employment lawyer. Taking your calls and questions. This is free advice.
I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number two call. A couple of texts coming through, but
let's have a chat to Caleb. Get a Caleb. You're
on with Gareth. Hey, how's going very well? What'd you question?

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
Hey? My friend he's a building apprentice.

Speaker 26 (01:47:53):
He's been doing it for a little over two years
now and his boss is still claiming to only have
to pay him an apprentice wage, which is around it's
like eighteen dollars an hour. I had a little research
into this and it seems like two seems far too
long to be on an apprentice wage, especially that low nowadays.

Speaker 25 (01:48:16):
Yeah, I guess my question would be, how is your
friend progressing through his apprenticeship? And while I don't deal
with a lot of apprenticeship issues, I do occasionally get
called in where someone's not passing their modules, not making

(01:48:41):
appropriate progress, and the business wants to terminate the apprenticeship.
That's the only thing I could think of without actually
drilling into the detail of it. If they actually making
the appropriate progress, then that does sound a bit odd,
and it sounds like it'd be worth looking into a

(01:49:03):
bit further.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
Okay, that's perfect, all right, all the best, Caleb, Thank
you very much. Rachel, what's your question?

Speaker 17 (01:49:13):
Hi there, Garris. So, I was teaching between twenty ten
and twenty fourteen, and during this time my employer didn't
put the q WE Saver contribution into my key we
favor account. I think around twenty twenty my accountant pointed
this out to me. I hadn't noticed it, but I

(01:49:34):
was having a baby and it was just too hard basket.
So I haven't done anything about it. Is it too
late to claim it back?

Speaker 25 (01:49:42):
Well, I'd always be inclined to give it a go,
but I think generally, if you're claiming unpaid wages, and
I think this would fall into the unpaid wages category.
Generally there's a six year limit to that. Okay, but
you know, I mean paying key we saver. That's a

(01:50:05):
that's a statutory thing as well as a contract things.
So I'd be inclined to raise it with them and
see what they're going to.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
Do about it.

Speaker 17 (01:50:16):
Sure, so even if legally they're not obliged to pay
back after six.

Speaker 22 (01:50:20):
Years, they might still do it.

Speaker 17 (01:50:22):
Possible that, Yeah, they have a good relationship with them,
they might do that definitely, you.

Speaker 25 (01:50:27):
Know, And I think a lot of this will depend
on why it wasn't paid back at the time. You know,
as I said earlier on in the show, mistakes do happen,
And if they can say it should have been paid,
it wasn't paid, and you've got a good relationship, I think,
you know, there's a reasonable chance that even if they're
not legally required to, they'll actually do the right thing.

(01:50:52):
Give it a go, see how they respond.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Thank you well, Kurb, Thank you very much. Rachel Graham.
We've got about sixty seconds, so what's your question.

Speaker 6 (01:51:00):
Very briefly, Hello, I'm a warehouse supervisor and I work
by myself and they have put into security cameras there's
health and safety. Is that legal or not?

Speaker 25 (01:51:13):
Generally putting in security cameras for health and safety reasons
and for security reasons is legal. It depends on whether
they recording audio and video. If they're just recording video,
that's usually fine as long as they let you know
and you do appear to know about it. If they're
going to record video audio as well, that's more intrusive

(01:51:35):
and they would really need to be able to justify that.

Speaker 6 (01:51:39):
And you're able to work by yourself in the warehouse.

Speaker 25 (01:51:43):
Yeah, I think if you're working by yourself in the warehouse,
having cameras in place to make sure you haven't had
an accident is most probably a good thing. I'd be
quite happy with that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
Thank you very much, Graham and Gareth, thank you very much.
We've got so many texts that we may get to
next time, and a lot of callers that didn't get
through as well, but really appreciate your time as always.
You have a great afternoon and we'll see beck in
for about a month's time. Thanks guy, Yes, thank you.
That is Gareth Abdenall Employment a lawyer, Workplace and Information
expert director of Abdenall Employment Law. If you want to

(01:52:15):
get a hold of him, his website is abdenaorlaw dot
Nz and the content of the segment is general in
nature and not legal advice. Any information discussed is not
intended to be a substitute for obtaining specific professional advice
and shouldn't be relied upon as such. It is nine
to four the.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, USEDTALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
News Talks ab It is seven two four, so hugely exciting.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
Seven am tomorrow semi final England versus Argentina. And there's
so many interesting facts about this. This is their first
World Cup semi final. Their five previous World Cup meetings
bought three England wins, one Argentina win and a nineteen
ninety eight draw won by Argentina and penalties. Their firing

(01:53:05):
nineteen sixty six match helped inspire yellow and red car
Argentina captain Antonio Rattin refused to leave after being verbally
sent off, promoting referee Ken Aston to work out the
yellow and red system. It's a great fact, yeah, isn't
it interesting ninety eighty six. Of course, Maradonna scored the
infamous hand of God goal and then the goal of

(01:53:28):
the century four minutes later. Argentina won two to one
in that game and went on to lift the World Cup.
That match came four years after the Falklands War, so
Maradonna later described the victory as symbolic revenge brutal for
the Falklands War. In ninety ninety eight, David Beckham was
sent off for kicking out at Diego Simoni. England survived

(01:53:54):
with ten men but lost in penalties, and the press
absolutely savage Beckham about that so much history. Beckham gained revenge,
of course in twenty twenty two thousand and two, scoring
the winning penalty. England won one nil. Their last meeting
was in two thousand and five, a friendly in England
won that England won three too. Loonel Messi is thirty

(01:54:17):
nine and has never played England. Right, yeah, fascinating and
this game is the Golden Boot show down as well.
Messi has eight goals. Well, Uddie Kin and Dude Beckingham
have six each. Cain and Bellingham, Beckingham Ballingham have scored
twelve of England's thirteen goals and it's getting weird. Some
Argentine fans are putting Cain and Bellingham's names and freezers

(01:54:40):
to immobilize them. Other rituals include unwashed shirts, identical meals,
and sitting in the same place for every single match.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
Oh bless thegs.

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
So England is very slightly favored in the betting markets
and a rivalry that created football's card system, produced the
sport's most famous handball and one of its greatest goals,
turned David Beckham into a national villain, provided his redemption
story and carried the shadow of a war and now
gave us Lionel Messi his first ever match again in England.

(01:55:09):
Bring it on, Bring it on seven am tomorrow morning. Yeah,
all right, that brings us into the shows. Thanks so
much for listening and thanks for all your calls and texts.
Here the duplic Ellen is up next. But right now, Tyler,
why am I playing this Fat Liz song from eight.

Speaker 5 (01:55:27):
Wow from.

Speaker 3 (01:55:31):
This friend Luke. Great choice because of the excitement we're
all waiting for seven am tomorrow. It's gonna be a
mat massive mate. I know you're nervous, excited.

Speaker 4 (01:55:42):
Come on England, all right, you seem busy, We'll let
you go. We'll be We'll be back live nationwide tomorrow afternoon.
Until then, give a taste a Kiwi all right, then.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
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