Full Show Podcast: 17 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk said, be happy Friday to you. Welcome into the program.
It is seven past one. You are, of course listening
to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams and great to have
your company today.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Matt Heath, Hello, interesting weekend for support here in Auckland,
isn't it? Because it got the All Blacks on at
Eden Park and then twenty minutes later the Warriors Dragons
kickoff at Mount Smart.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
It's going to be a lot of double screens going on.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I think couldn't they have sort of that out a
little bit better so we could have just watched one
and the other.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
That would be nice, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
That would have been good for HOSPO, for the New Zealand economy,
for the sports watches. You just make a massive night
of it, back to back.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I guess the thing is that they're in competition with
each other, so as opposed to cahoots with each other.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Inna Rowl's coming for rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I'm going to the rugby you up, yep, and I'm
running a halftime quiz at Eden Park on Irish New
Zealand rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
So actually, how about I use the news talk zidby
nine two nine two high of mind. If you can
give me any questions that just great Irish rugby sports
quiz questions. Yeah, then that'd be helpful. Save me. I'm
going to Wikipedia or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Well you're talking about this the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Hell of an art to craft the perfect quiz and
that sort of environment.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Because you make it too hard, then.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Nobody gets it.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
You make it too easy, everybody gets it.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Then you've got to manage the expectations of the various
people involved.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I mean, I want to somehow ask a question about
Patti O'Brien because obviously in New Zealand international rugby referee,
but with you could not have a more Irish name, right,
Yeah that's right, Patty. So I think a patio'brien question
would be a good one. Yeah, throw in there.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
If you love your help, if you can help Matt
heath out by all means, come on through. Looking forward
to your suggestions. But right now, let's have a discussion
on cannabis. This is After a Hero a Hero column
by a woman who's spent close to twenty years using
marijuana and warns that despite its growing normalization, the risks
she sees are often downplayed. So she explained she turned

(02:25):
to it to manage anxiety and personal struggles in her life,
but later realized it was probably numbing.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Her issues rather than addressing them.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
She cites new research which outlies outlines rather how early
and regular use can impact brain development, memory, mental health,
and physical health, including links to anxiety and depression. She
also pushes back on the idea that cannabis is easy
to give up, saying that withdrawal for many people who
use those products can be lengthy and challenging.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, it completely changes your taste buds, you know
so much of your life and how you deal with life.
I've got a number of friends that i'd call wa
waken bakers, so they're immediately on the knives first thing
in the morning, and because they can't eat or work
or communicate until they get a huge amount of cannabis

(03:14):
in their system.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Right, so that just gets them back to normality.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I feel like that, Yeah, and it changes the taste
buds and the desire to eat so much that basically
they can't have breakfast until they've you know, consume, got
the galiano, buttle out and gone for it. Yeah, I
mean it is a slow progression for a lot of people.
Right when you start using cannabis, I think, look, tell
me if I'm wrong here, oh, one hundred and eighty

(03:37):
ten eighty. But that slow progression when you start using
it and people around you might notice that your personality
is starting to change, but you yourself might not start to
know that because it is something that you do on
a regular basis, maybe daily, that you yourself won't notice
those changes as much as somebody you might might not
have seen for a month.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Then they come around and say, oh, geez you, well
you've changed your personality.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's quite a strong drug. It's a lot stronger than
people I think give it credit. It's put on a
lower tier than a lot of other drugs, but it's
hugely mind altering. Yeah, marijuana, and more so for some
people than others. For some people it seems to really
excite the paranoids centers. Other people seem to be fine,
But if you look at what has claimed that medical

(04:24):
marijuana can help with severe and chronic pain, nausier and
vomiting from cancer treatments, epilepsy and Caeizier's Alzheimer's disease. People
take it for HIV and AIDS. I'm not sure what
it does with around that, Okay, Roy, need to research
that more. Glaucoma, migraines, anorexia, extreme weight loss, and weakness.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I suppose it. Up's the epetite for some people.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Uh, it's good for ibs Okay, the old iritable bell syndrome.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Okay, Well, that's good for a lot of people out there.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Maybe.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
I don't know how that helps.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
And post traumatic stress disorder. That's an interesting one. Whether
post traumatic stress disorder, whether it would help you or not.
I guess that would depend on the person.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, So tell us your experiences. Did cannabis solve what
you thought it was going to solve? If you're a
regular user, tell us I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. In nineteen nine, tool is a.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Text Derek text Lowell the only of me having a
spot at the exact time Matt was talking about getting
the knives out.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Cheers, Derek, have fun Derek, Yeah, right, taking your calls.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's twelve past one.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd be
it is fourteen past one. So if you used cannabis products,
whether that's CBD, whether that's medicinal or otherwise, how has
that gone for you? Is it actually solved the things
that you were hoping it was going to solve? I wait,
one hundred eighty ten eighty to number to call.

Speaker 8 (05:55):
Well.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
One of the things on the official New Zealand list
of the things that cannabis helps with is HIV, and
of course it doesn't cure HIV, but apparently it significantly
helps patients manage symptoms of the disease and the harsh
side effect of anti retroviral therapy. Right art as stimulates
that appetite, reduces nausea, relieves nerve pain, lowers chronic inflammation,

(06:19):
improves mood and sleep in those sufferers.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
That is interesting, isn't it. Yeah, So this texture, though
it does not agree, cannabis does not do anything any
of the things that are being claimed it's a it's
a big scam. People wanted to get wasted and waste
their lives and created a whole fake medical industry around
it to make that legal. It does absolutely nothing, says

(06:43):
this text.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, so do you agree with that text or do
you want to push back? Oh, eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call this TEXTUS says,
get guys, I use cannabis for twenty five years every
day and.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I had absolutely no issues.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
It depends on your personality, based on store healthy and
successful in life. I have no issues with cannabis being
made easier to purchase. My opinion is generally speaking, it's a.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Soft drug and not as harmful as alcohol. I don't
know if you call it a soft drug.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
It depends. I mean, anyone that's consumed cannabis and you know,
became concerned that their heart was going to stop, which
is a sort of a cliche, isn't it. Some people
that get paranoid wouldn't say it was a soft dug.
It absolutely has different effects on different people. Some people
just fires up their paranoids scent as like nothing else. Yes, yeah,

(07:35):
Other people it makes them come and giggly. I I'm
forty four sis a sex. They have bad pain from
perse pertheus PERTHEUS disease. Oh look that up I got
when I was ten years old. Medical cannabis helps me
slip through the pain at night. It's a blessing and
better than taking the likes of tramadol, which gave me

(07:57):
side effects and kept me awake. Love your show, Thank
you for your text.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, keep those coming through. But taking your calls on
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've been
using cannabis products, A lot of people out there when
it became you know, okay to go to your doctor
and get a prescription use it to fall asleep. So
if that's actually helped you, and was there any ramifications,
some some unexpected side effects that you didn't anticipate when
you took them for sleep, because I can't understand it's

(08:23):
helped a lot of people get a good night's sleep,
But then if it starts to effect up other parts
of your your daily life, I'm sure there are people
out there that have experienced that.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Sarahs is when I was pregnant, it was better if
I smoked marijuana than taking anti convulsants. I got epilepsy, Sarah.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Right, Okay, I don't know the science or metson.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
As a medication used to prevent control or reduce the
severity of caesiers. Okay, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
So that was better for pregnancy than yeah, the medicine
keep those thicks coming through on nine two ninety two.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
But let's go to the calls, get a clear.

Speaker 9 (08:57):
Oh how are you going?

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Very good? So what do you reckon about cannabis?

Speaker 9 (09:02):
I think for medicinal purposes, it is absolutely incredible. My
husband is and complete triplegic and he microdoses brownie just
to take the pain away, and it works for him
better than morphine.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Right, and microdoce is what what did you.

Speaker 9 (09:18):
Say, a little bit of marijuana brownie?

Speaker 8 (09:21):
Oh? Right?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I say, yeah, microce like a like a baked brownie, right,
and like a.

Speaker 9 (09:28):
Tiny amount, so you know, like a regular sized brownie
that you might be served or that you might buy
from a green ferry. He guts it into like fourteen pieces, right,
and it is just amazing.

Speaker 10 (09:40):
He had.

Speaker 9 (09:43):
A really bad accident and he had all sorts of
drugs that they tried on him. The only thing that
worked was morphine and he didn't want to be monged
out of his brain day and day out. I'm morphine.
It meant that he couldn't drive and all sorts of things.
And so now he only takes a little micro dose
at night and it takes the edge off. He's able
to sleep. It's yeah, it's absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Was it something you discovered or was it recommended? Was
it prescribed to you by doctors? Clear?

Speaker 9 (10:11):
It was both so trial and error. Initially because the
mainstream drugs didn't work, and then at a desperation tried
had never really been into that sort of side of life.
But therapeutically and medicinally, it's amazing. I've actually tried it
myself and I it'll make me stigned if I have

(10:31):
a little bit, but I just wake up with a
terrible headache. So I'm not into it at all. But
probably the only person out there that marijuana gives a
headache too.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
That's such a different effect on different people. Are you
are you baking up these brownies yourself?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Clear?

Speaker 9 (10:48):
We have managed to find a green fairy just through
other people who have had medicinal requirements, and in fact,
we've had a few people unfortunately who were terminal with
cancer that we're able to you know, provide them with
a source so to speak, of where to find some
cannabis oil which was more effective for pain relief for them.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Right, And so do you think, I mean, if you
hadn't discovered this, or hadn't mean suggested to you, then
your husband's life would have been just so much worse.

Speaker 9 (11:20):
I can't say worse, but it would definitely be different,
and you know, he would be far more restricted in
what he was able to do. He's very responsible and
he also tries to take breaks so he's not depending
on it on a daily basis. You know, he will
grit his teeth and go without for a period of
time to make sure that it isn't something that he's
just dependent on. But you know, he wilsted all of

(11:43):
the mainstream things for him to you know, anything that
was available mainstream, and in fact, he was told he
could have more fand for life, which is you know,
a very high bar to get over in terms of
pain real life, but he just didn't want it. And
I think, you know, people don't really understand how incredible

(12:03):
cannabis can be for medicinal purposes. And I couldn't disagree
more with the text you just read out that you know,
people are just looking for an excuse to get stoned.
It's actually life changing. And I think you know, when
the cannabis Bill came out, it was a very badly
written bill and it was far too widely available, you know,
like kids could accessit far too easily. I think it

(12:24):
was I think it would be something that would be
incredible for New Zealand for people to be able to
grow their own or have access to it. But we
just need a properly written bill that wasn't so stupidly
wide ranging.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
What's the difference between what you get from the green
theory that the cannabis oil and what you can get
from a doctor, because I understand like there's some barriers obviously,
but you it is a lot easier for people just
to go to a green doctor and to get prescribed there.

Speaker 9 (12:50):
Yeah, so you can get prescription oil with the initial
bottle that was prescribed was almost eight hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
This was several years ago, right, Okay.

Speaker 9 (12:58):
It's come down a light now, but it's also for us.
It's just making sure we don't want to just be
buying weed off anybody. You know, it needs to be
someone that we can have as much as you possibly
can on the black market, a reputable sort.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
When no, you go sorry no, So you.

Speaker 9 (13:18):
Know that's that's the main thing, like not trying to
be silly about it and making sure that you're not
buying something that's cut with something else, so you have
to be careful.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
So hand minute, so you're buying it, where are you
buying it from?

Speaker 9 (13:30):
Just a community green fury? Let's put it that way, right.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
And so is that are you?

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Is it the same intensity each time he gets it?

Speaker 9 (13:42):
It seems to be. It's sometimes you know, when he's
chopping this brownie up into so many tiny pieces it,
you know, it might be that maybe they didn't mix
it so much. Maybe that little tiny sliver that you've
had wasn't mixed as well as the last, and maybe
he'll need to that particular time. But for the most part,
it's really effective. It's far cheaper, it's just kept in

(14:03):
the freezer, doesn't impact his daily life in any other regard.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Right, And how did you end up? How did you
settle on microdosing with brownies With all the other ways
that you can imbide cannabis.

Speaker 9 (14:18):
It's more just a dosage thing. So I mean he
can use oil as well if he drops under the
tongue and whatnot, but it's easier you can visually eyeball
the dosage that you're taking, as opposed to maybe you
squeeze out a few more drops and you intended and
you're off your face. So you know that the whole
purpose for him taking it is medicinal purposes, is not

(14:38):
just to get the high or the bodystone is a
different feeling anyway. But I think if you've got any
listeners out there, it is incredible. If you've got any pain,
I would encourage people to not be closed mind to
that as an option for pain relief, and also elderly
people can be great for them if they've got aches
and pains, and also really good for anxiety. So there's

(15:03):
a lot to be said, and I think a lot
of undiscovered or unpublicized benefits of some of these drugs
because the pharmaceutical industry, you know, there's a lot of
money to be made with conventional drugs.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Clear, thank you very much for giving us so buzz
and glad it's working for your husband.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, I mean, you can't begrudge her husband finding a
way to deal with the pain he's having to go through. Yeah,
you know, specially if he's been offered to be on
morphine for the rest of his life.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
A lot of people texting through saying not a great
idea to get into any kind of marijuana related THHD
at THHD and CBD activities when you're pregnant.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, dad.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Medical experts strongly advised against using marijuana, including THHD and
CBD well pregnant. There is no known safe amount of
cannabis use during pregnancy, and the active chemicals easily passed
through the center directly to your developing baby.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, good to clear that up. Keep your calls coming
through on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if
you use cannabis products, did it solve what you were
hoping it was going to solve?

Speaker 4 (16:04):
And how is it going for you? Tell us it
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Speaker 2 (16:53):
Twenty seven past one and we're talking about cannabis use.
Is an article in the Hero It about a woman
who used cannabis for twenty years and said that the
risks are not being promoted as much as they should be.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
But what do you say?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
The Texter says there is nothing good in the THHC.
Come on, guys, get your facts straight. It's the CBD,
that's the medicine, okay, But we didn't make any claims
on that, but both and THHD have claimed medical properties.
So CBD as obviously the non psychoactive compound, so it

(17:27):
does not cause a high, but as wide are used
for inflammation, anxiety, sleep disorders, and nerve pain, and THCHD
which is the psychoactive compound and cannabis and alters your
perception in your mood and such. It has been claimed
to be highly effective and pain management, muscle specims, nausea,
and stimulating appetite for people that have you going through

(17:50):
chemotherapy and stuff. So yeah, so CBD and THHD have
been claimed to have medical benefits. Yep, So jump in
the garn by saying, get your fact straight. Also on
something we never said.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, yeah, but we've sort of that out now.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Dear Texter nine to nine, if you want to see
the t Steve, what's your experience?

Speaker 14 (18:11):
Yeah, well, I'm now sixty two. The first cannabis plant
I grew when I was fourteen years old, and I
pretty much grown cannabis ever since. I don't go cannabis anymore.
I've had a licensed companies that grow it. I've done
pretty much everything that you want to know about cannabis.

Speaker 8 (18:33):
I've done it.

Speaker 14 (18:35):
My opinion, on it at the moment is with the
medical cannabis to have people going to one of these
doctors and getting a script and they get to go
into the chemist or wherever they get it from their
buying this well, whever they buy, and it's just so
loaded with chemicals, and it's not the normal sort of
cannabis that we know.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Was cannabis r A lot.

Speaker 14 (18:57):
It's a lot stronger, there's a lot, it's a lot
more chemically enhanced. For an example, my partner's son here,
he got on it and I was saying to him, mate,
you've got to stop it. It's no and he got
really sick as anxiety. He went through the roof, everything
went through the roof there. And then finally I've got

(19:21):
him cutting down on it and he's actually getting way better.
He's actually getting better. He's better about it. Now. That's
not saying that cannabis is bad for everybody. He was
referring to CBD and the THC. The CBD for people
that have seedars like in famous strains called Charlotte's Webb,

(19:42):
named under after a young lady, little girl, I think
she was about four years old. She was having like
one hundred and twenty seasons a day. This is in Canada.
She was the first person to get on it on
the CBD and with her now she was having five
seasons at season a day. That's amazing part of the CBD.

(20:02):
So you need to go as strain with CBD. Now
go into the next part cannabis and pain relief and cancer.
You need to mix worth cancer. Ideally you want to
be about fifty fifty CBD THC, so that four works

(20:26):
very well with cancer.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
How do you know how do you know if you're
if you're not getting it from you know the legal sources.
How do you know what percentage your strength anything as?
Because you know you've got an idea where it's coming from.

Speaker 14 (20:43):
Yep, yep. Well, when you when you when you buy
Australia and it can vary up to ten percent. Seriously,
I've grown stuff up to thirty seven thirty eight percent.
I won't name austrains here because we'll just go out
and buy them and you get them through seven dispensaries
and they'll say this austrain will produce this amount of

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percentage and you can get it tested by a laboratory.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Here in New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (21:10):
You can see the Hell's laboratories will test it for
you so you can get but the grid in your backyard,
you don't. You don't really know. But it's probably a
lot safer than a lot of the stuff for the
flies are buying through the medical doctors. And that it's
it's just so toxic and you know seven thirty thirty

(21:37):
and by smoking it all day and you can smell
the chemicals and at the different strains, I still say
there's no chemicals. And of course, but I know how
it's grown. I've been in the factories of I've designed
and made the chemicals that the fertilizers for it. I
don't know how to do all that, so I don't

(21:59):
agree with where it's going in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Well, thank you for your call, Steve. Do you agree
that the legal stuff you can get is packful of
kinemal hmiccals and not as safe as the stuff you
get on the black market.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
If you've got experience in that, please give us a call. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And if you're using cannabis products,
how is it going for you? Did it solve what
you intended it to solve? There are thousands, tens of
thousands of kiwis using the products on a daily basis.
So how's it working out for you?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, good news Sarah's baby that was texting them before
about the anti convulsants yep, and her use of marijuana
to combat that her baby was born perfect and healthy.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Congratulations Sarah, yep, that is good news.

Speaker 8 (22:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Headlines are coming up. But taking your calls on cannabis use,
how is it going for you? Is it working to
solve your problems? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty to
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Speaker 4 (24:03):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Ray Lean, and we are talking about cannabis uses on
the back of a column written in the hero by
a woman who has consumed cannabis products for the last
twenty years. But she's sitting back and saying that now
that it's becoming so normalized, and it has been prescribed
across the board for a lot of different ailments, but
the risks are being downplayed for a lot of people
when they use those cannabis products. So what has been

(24:25):
your experience? So eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
To call this. Texas says we need to stop pretending
to atch the is harmless. To atch the effects the
part of the brain that measures space, distance and timing
that makes it dangerous. That olders your perception. Some of
these so called medical cannabis products have up to twenty
nine PERCENTHC. It is appalling those people are putting others
in danger.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Full stop, says the text.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
My son uses marijuana, but it turned out to be
a gateway drug for him and his friends. He developed
dragon's juice psychosis, which is common and young marijuana uses.
He is no longer with us as a result. Oh
my goodness. It's different for everyone, but for young people
it can be very dangerous.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yeah, and that's a pretty powerful text.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I just I went to the Ministry of Health in
z and I looked up the medical cannabis scheme on
the accusation that medical marijuana is full of toxins. Yes,
and look, I'm no expert on it, and our caller
before Steve claimed to be. But medical medical cannabis is

(25:29):
regulated under the Medical Cannabis Scheme in New Zealand. These
products must meet mid safe strict minimum quality standards. They
contain known levels of active ingredients like THHD and CBD
and must undergo rigorous testing for micro microbial contamination microbile microbile. Come,
I can't say that all of a sudden, pesticides, heavy

(25:51):
metals and residual solvents. So according to the Ministry of
Health that these you know, medical marijuana products have to
have to hit exacting standards. But you know who doesn't
have to hit exacting standards? The black market, that's right,
because because who's going to regulate it?

Speaker 4 (26:10):
No regulation there? Yeah, but what do you say, Oh,
one hundred eighteen eighties the number get.

Speaker 16 (26:14):
Eight m good a.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Hi, Hi, So what's what's your experience with cannabis?

Speaker 17 (26:22):
Well, I happen to be making a film, a documentary
film about cannabis in New Zealand right now, so I
guess I do have quite a lot of experience as
a filmmaker, but also as an individual with about city
years of.

Speaker 16 (26:38):
Experience on and off.

Speaker 17 (26:40):
So I guess I would consider myself rather knowledgeable.

Speaker 10 (26:44):
What do you want to know?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Well, I mean, what's your documentary focused on? Is it
the consumption of cannabis? Is that the explosion of the
medicinal products that are being used? I mean, what's what's
the thesis of the docer.

Speaker 17 (26:59):
I guess this main thesis is our relationship with cannabis
and a lot of contradictions and hypocrisies that surrounds it,
because cannabis is a.

Speaker 16 (27:10):
Good illustration of how we allow, I guess.

Speaker 17 (27:15):
Complex issues trying to be resolved with certainty when there
is none and everything that flows from it. So my
experiences cannabis is that it's an incredibly individual experience and
so trying to have a one answer or a one
approach that would either regulate or explain it is fundamentally flawed.

(27:43):
I also hear on your program that a lot of
people have concerns and conversations are around the THCHC, which
is only one compound, albeit the best known compound of cannabis.
But cannabis is far more than just one compound, and
I think what we you know, one of the reasons

(28:05):
why I'm making a film is to hope fully inspire
more conversations about it, and I think education and you know,
less stigmatized conversations is what we need the most.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, it's interesting though, because I'd say that the conversation
in New Zealand now is unstigmatized almost Primarily it's that
the word is you know, what we're hearing is almost
ubiquit have ubiquito was ubiquitous positive discussion around medical marijuana.

Speaker 16 (28:41):
Tom Well, I guess it is an incredibly important step
to allow even those conversations where most of them were
happening in in you know, privately only.

Speaker 17 (28:55):
I think that's one of the reasons why there is
a lot of a difference between private opinion and public opinion.
I think this is we were now starting to cross
over into the space where people feel safe to even
admit their use, to their use and talk to their
families and their colleagues and people in general. But any

(29:17):
conversation that tries to reduce the potential risks of cannabis use,
especially THCs, are probably you know, insincere. It is clear
from the statistical and evidential point of view that cannabis
is not for everybody, and our relationships with cannabis also

(29:38):
changed through our lives. Like we probably it's safe to
say that it's one of those drugs that gets less
harmful as we grow older. But you know, every fifth
of us, according to statistics, is going to be at
risk of developed developing a dependency dependency is not necessarily addiction.

(30:02):
You know, every day I'm meeting a lot of people
who depend on it to be normal also to speak,
whatever normal means.

Speaker 18 (30:10):
But like.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
A lot of people are that's that are recalibrated that
they can't exist without, you know, yeah, smoking every day.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (30:22):
And whether they're smoking it, eating it, or drinking it,
that's that's essentially up to them. But it is true
that for many people it is a lifeline. I also
one of one of the things that I guess I
want to encourage people is to shake information rather than

(30:47):
just rely on what they hear. Because cannabis is is
a complex drug. It is it's got a lot of
aspects to it, far exceeding just getting sound. And I
think that's that's where hopefully I see huge potential is

(31:07):
for people to unders them that it is a it
is an individual experience and therefore no no one measure
can apply to all.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
What's the name of your documentary?

Speaker 8 (31:19):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Have you you shooting it now? Have you got a
tentative title for it? Tom?

Speaker 17 (31:24):
The documentary is called pot Luck, pot Luck and pot Luck?

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (31:30):
And have you got a have you got an expected
release date?

Speaker 17 (31:34):
Yeah? We're looking at before Christmas, and it will be
in cinemas, and I would encourage people.

Speaker 19 (31:41):
To go and.

Speaker 17 (31:43):
See it for themselves and hopefully those people who call
them can a curious or whoever can tobis story. There
are a lot of us out there who have experiences
cannabis in this country, but by and large, a lot
of us don't speak up.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
So yeah, oh well we'll look out for that pot luck.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, very interesting. Thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
Term.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
So one hundred and eighty ten eighty a few you're
using cannabis products. Has it solved what you expected it
to solve or did you have side effects that you
did not expect?

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Tell us? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number?

Speaker 8 (32:17):
This?

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Texas says admitted. Guys, you've got a bucky bong under
the desk?

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Do we can we look here?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I mean, what's what's hosking?

Speaker 20 (32:24):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
My good god, he's right there is a well wow
said right right, we're going to do something about that
is a Bucky bong.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
There's a one point five liter coke bottle that's been
cut in half.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
I wonder what they was doing there, right, Yeah, there's
a Galiano bottle with its bot bottom as soon as.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Well, I explaining about the breakfast service Warner.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Keep your texs cavinter on nine to nine two. It
is according to two.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk Sai'd be.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Twelve to two and we're talking about cannabis use. If
you're a cannabis user, has it solved what you expected
it to solve?

Speaker 3 (33:02):
A few people pointing out that a previous caller that's
making the documentary Potlark, sounded a lot like Peter.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Sellers, very very like Peter Sellers very.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I'm not sure why or what particular Peter Sellers character
sounds a lot like Peter Seller.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, yeah, ah, of course Peter.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Sellers long gone, so it couldn't be a print call.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
No, no grants.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Rather, how are you good things?

Speaker 21 (33:22):
Mate?

Speaker 8 (33:22):
Yeah? Good?

Speaker 21 (33:23):
Graham actually, oh.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
It's Graham all good? Sorry talking to us about your
experience with cannabis.

Speaker 21 (33:29):
Yeah, well, I'll meet you on the cannabis uh playing
with the doctors and I've been on it for about
five years now. I find it so much easier, you know.
I talked to the doctor. They seened it. It pulls
up outside in the driveway and I don't have to

(33:51):
go anywhere for it where before it used to be,
you know, extreets cars. It's all changed, you know, from
people talk about smoking cannabis years ago. It's nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Now, what what are you taking it for? Grant? What's
what's being prescribed for?

Speaker 21 (34:11):
Oh I'm dying to cancer?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Oh wow?

Speaker 21 (34:16):
Oh ten years meta? You know it's they they told.
I'll tell you a little bit of a story I was.
I went to the doctor, throw a bit of a cough.
He sent me in for an X ray, and, knowing home,
got a phone call a couple of hours later he said, oh,
you got cancer. You've got a huge mess on your
left Oh you're right, lung. I'll make it a point

(34:38):
for You're on Monday. So the whole weekend it was
what the hell? And anyway, I went to chemo and
I was on all these pills and I started taking
cannabis and I stopped the pills. Didn't need them at all.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
So you started taking cannabis by finding it out there,
not not through a prescription, right.

Speaker 21 (35:00):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was actually through some friends.
You know, I'll smoked cannabis before, but it wasn't. Yeah,
it was for fun, It wasn't actually for the pain.
But I tell you, you know, people say, you know, look,
I'm looking at the packet I've got in front of me.
It's called bloom JFG and it's twenty three percent THC

(35:22):
one percent seed. It's CBD, so yeah, you know, and
I've tried higher, but it gave me a headache, and
I just I talked to the doctor and I.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Just lowered it, right.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
And it's because you know, it's marked there. It's always
the same, right, so you can be sure that it's
consistent and it's going to do what you needed to
do stuff.

Speaker 21 (35:46):
And if it's not, the doctor will tell you we're
going to put you onto this stuff same percentage or
it might be a little bit less. And yeah, you
know you're not You're not one day getting some stuff
that's yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (36:00):
So yeah, And and like I said, you know, I'm
in a lot of pain a lot of the time.
And and it doesn't just help the body, you know,
helps the mind as well. Is a pricey it is,
it is, it's you're paying for top quality, as in
what you'd pay in the street, you'd pay at the
doctors if you got this stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah right, well, thanks so much for calling Graham, and
I'm so glad that that's providing you some relief. That's
that's good and.

Speaker 21 (36:29):
Yeah, I'm just saying, Leo, it's good for a lot
of people, but maybe not good for some people. Yes, yeah,
so choice, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
I think that's I think that's the message, isn't it.
It has It has a very different effect on everyone.

Speaker 21 (36:42):
It doesn't, you know, And people punish other people because
you know they might not ever try it, but it's not. Yeah.
I think the days of having it, hiding it and
all they are gone.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, well Graham, thank you very much, mate, and all
the best to you.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Thank you very much for giving us a call.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
So what do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, if you're using cannabis products to solve a
particular issue, has it solved it?

Speaker 4 (37:04):
How's it going for you? Tell us? Nine two ninety
two is the text as well.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
It's to two matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath
and Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
News DOGSB, News Talks ITB it is five to two.
A couple of texts before the news hits us. This
one here sees Gey. Guys, I've been taking marijuana, coconut
oil or butter to help for sleeping and ADHD. It
has helped with the sleeping aspect, but I've got to
be honest, it has given me a little bit more anxiety.

(37:38):
As you say, horses for courses. Some people it helps,
some people it doesn't. High Lands.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
I've heard a couple of people say that cannabis is
a gateway drug. Most of my friends smoke back in
the day, and pretty much most don't now. None ever
went on to harder drugs. The people that go on
to harder stuff, I think is more of the person
than the drug. If it wasn't cannabis, it would probably
be alcohol or something else. Cheers Simon.

Speaker 19 (38:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
I mean the fact is this gateway drug is kind
of confusing because it's so common cannabis, So people that
are inclined to go on to harder drugs are probably
at some point of going to start with cannabis, Selkoho,
all those kind of things, right.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, Yeah, because they're easy to get. Yeah, spot on,
great discussion. Thank you to everyone who gave us a
call and shared your experience. Coming up after two o'clock
are Karens the complaining Karens actually a nick good for society.
We'll tell you more about that very very soon.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Bring back the Karens.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
It is four minutes to two New Sport and Weather
or on it's way. You're listening to Matteathan Tyler Adams. Hope
you're having a great Friday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Talk said the very good afternoons. You welcome back into
the show. I hope you're having a great Friday afternoon.
It is seven apart too, so is the time to
bring back Karen's in society in twenty twenty six, The
idea of a Karen, of course, is a modern stereotype
used to describe someone who is demanding or quick to
escalate complaints.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Often in public or a customer service setting.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
And the male equivalent of the Darren. Apparently, yeah, that's
tact yep. Karen, Karen's and Darren's. Well, there's this guy
I follow online called Grand Old Evan, and he has
some interesting takes on the world. He just goes around
thinking about things and bringing things together, and he had
this interesting take today.

Speaker 22 (39:44):
Y'all made fun of Karen's too much, and now customer
service sucks wherever you go. Karen's were holding the fork down, y'all.
Y'all did not appreciate how much it matters to have
a couple people who are willing to say something when
the service is below a certain caliber. Yes, they're obviously
people who are unreasonable about it. But nowadays people are

(40:07):
just so a afraid to speak up when things are
obviously wrong, when someone is being obviously rude, to just
overtly rude when it's their job, it's your job to
be nice to me in this customer employee interaction. Our
standards just keep getting lower and lower in every facet
of life, and we wonder why the world is more

(40:29):
depressing than the early two thousands or all these peak
civilization eras that everybody used to romanticize. Things were better
back then because people actually had standards. Part of having
standards is criticizing, pointing out when something is below standard.
Y'all made fun of Karens too much and now customer
service sucks.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Right, So is that what happened? We made fun of
Karen's too much and as a result, standards are dropping
because everyone's too scared to put up the hand and
complain about anything. And New Zealand we've been down on
Karen's before the internet sensation never took off. We've never
been big complaints in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
No, we am.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
It's an ongoing joke, isn't it. So you're sitting around
the table, everyone's complaining at the cafe or restaurant about
the food. The white staff comes over and sees how's everything.
Everyone goes great, lovely, incredible, thank you, No, it's awesome.
But with this Karen shaming we have become, i would say,

(41:30):
quieter than ever. So for a nation that never complained
about service, now with the added risk of being called
a Karen, no complaining at all. But to keep up standards.
If something isn't good enough, should we speak up for
the good of everyone, Not just for the good of yourself,
but for the good of standards in general, and also

(41:52):
for the good of the establishment. Right, yeah, So it's
not very handy for an establishment to have a bunch
of people saying everything's great when it's not. So people
say it's great, and then they don't come back. The
company goes out of business because no one was ever
standing up for the standards at the place. They had
no idea they was saving crap because no one said anything.
You know, the white stuff keep coming back and saying
everyone loved it, that was great.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Compliments to the chef.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
They said that rear steak I ordered it was awesome
that it came out well done.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
So I'd just be interested to hear people's thoughts on this.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Are you a proud Karen
or Darren? Do you know one can being a Karen
or Darren go too fast? Does Darren even work as
an opposite to Karen? Or should we just call everyone
a Karen, male or female. Yeah, because I say bring
back to Karen, bring him back. In twenty twenty six,

(42:43):
I say, Viva la Karen. We over shamed the Karens
and the Darns. I think the Karens are doing a
lot of good work out there in the community to
make sure that everything is up to scratch. So eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
This is going to be a great conversation. Tell us
what you think it is ten past two.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Will be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Your home of afternoon talk, Matt Heathen, Taylor Adamsons call
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 19 (43:11):
You talk said be.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Thirteen past two.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
So is it time to welcome back the idea of
the proverbial Karen and Darren? Does society benefit from people
who are willing to raise legitimate concerns or challenge poor service?

Speaker 4 (43:24):
What do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
This Texas says, this is true. The exact thing happens
at my cafe. We want to know if our coffee
is good. We want to know if our breakfasts are good.
But I have noticed people complaining less and less. We
aren't perfect. Tell us if you're unhappy, so we can improve.
And this Sixt says, that's not what a Karen is.
A Karen is an entitled white woman with a certain
haircut being racist. You don't know what a Karen is. No,

(43:48):
you don't know what a Karen is. I don't know
why you've bought race into it. No, it's got absolutely
nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
I guess you've brought racing into it because it's twenty
twenty six that No, I mean a Karen. At least
you can. You can call a Karen whatever you want text,
But in terms of our conversation, a Karen is someone
who complains wressively, demands special treatment and ask for the manager. Yeah,
you know, and look, it's genuinely considered to be rude behavior.

(44:17):
But nowadays the argument is it's gone so far that
anyone that complains at all is instantly called Karen, even
if they are just raising legitimates, you know, dissatisfaction with service.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Which leads to mediocre service and arguably mediocre life. But
what do you say, get a Karen?

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Hey, Karen, what do you think of Karen's?

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (44:39):
I love Karen's. But I'll tell you what. Being called
Karen and making.

Speaker 14 (44:43):
A complaint about something that is legitimately.

Speaker 10 (44:47):
Ever, it's horrible because straight away they go, oh, here's.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
A Karen, and you're like, yeah, it's tough for you.

Speaker 10 (44:53):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you a quick story. So
I walked into a cafe There were two entrances into
the cafe. I walked into my business attire. A girl
young lady to a casual active wear walked into the
other entrance. We walked up to a queue together, so
side we were, and then we get up to the counter,
side by side, and the lady behind the counterfear looked

(45:13):
at us both like, okay, which one's first? So I thought, look,
you know what age before beauty, and I'm busy, I'm
going to go first. Then I don't normally do that,
but so I put my order in it. She said,
and what was her name? And I said Karen, And
you didn't see her raise their eyebrow, but the.

Speaker 14 (45:32):
Other woman liked, yeah, of course she is.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Now being a Karen. Karen, when did you first? You know,
so you're going through your life called Karen and nice name,
and everything's great, and then at some point you would
have started to hear that the term Karen was bubbling
up on the internet to mean something else. Do you
remember how that came through? And we first first noticed
that a Karen was becoming a Karen and then your
name now had another meaning.

Speaker 10 (45:58):
Yeah, So it was a social media post where a
Karen had gone nuts about something and unreasonably so, And
so suddenly that caught on and right across social media,
and I'm like, oh no, I'm a reasonably strong personality.
So from time to time, if I see or feel
poor service, I like to be able to say something

(46:19):
about it. But i'll tell you what I'm reluctant to
do it now.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
And how often does it come up that you're that?
You know, I think it might be a regular thing
if you're called Karen, right, So it's always looming over
you that the name Karen means Karen oh all the time.

Speaker 10 (46:37):
So when I say, you know, they ask your n
amy say, oh, I'm Karen, and I go, but not
that Karen.

Speaker 18 (46:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
But but do you agree with the wider point as
a Karen that we actually need a bit of karening
in society, Like if we're also scared to be Karen's,
especially actual Karen's, but if we're also scared to be
Karen be called to Karen, then no one's going to
make anything better because sometimes services bad and sometimes food
is bad, and sometimes you don't you've got a right

(47:09):
to ask to talk to the manager.

Speaker 10 (47:11):
Yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent agree with that. And you know,
I mean people should say when things aren't great. I mean,
in the States, it's the tipping service and that takes
all of that away because you don't get tipped if
you don't get great service. So we don't have that
here and thankfully we don't, but we should be able
to say, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah, well otherwise you know, he runs a bunch of pushovers,
right or that. As you mentioned before, Matt, if you
don't say anything and in losing customers, then that's bad
for a business. So they don't know what they're doing
wrong and they can't fix it. And that seems to
be a key we thing. Do you think, Kara, that's right?

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Well you might. It might nice them out of business.
Yeah yeah, you know they're like, oh, every day they
come into work and everyone loves everything, and everything's fine
and no one complains. So we don't fix anything, and
then they're out of business. Card but everyone said it
was great.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
Where do we get us?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Why did we get no repeat business?

Speaker 10 (48:01):
But I'll truly, something that I do notice is I
reckon you can tell the measure of a person by
the way they treat weight stuff. You know, like you
go into tair phase and things like that. And if
they are looking at you know, your colleagues or your
friends or whatever, if they treat them that's not great. Yes, right,
so I reet to measure repeace them too.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, because I reckon.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
My little sister is a bit of a Karen, right,
even though he names images, not a Karen.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
She's a bit of an image.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
But whenever we go out, she's so snarky, and I
accuse of her of having chronic dissatisfaction syndrome. She's always
dissatisfied with whatever happens, and then she'll be rude to
the person. And I'm like that, that's not this person's fault.
They're on minimum wage or whatever.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
That's just a person serving you.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Yeah, and people can make mistakes, So yeah, if you're
gonna make a complaint, you know, there's a way to
do it. And everyone deserves respect, anyone behind the county,
anyone that's serving you, everyone that you come across in
hospitality or whatever, deserves to be treated as a human obviously.
But there's a way, a light way to call it.
There's a way to karen someone in a friendly way,

(49:11):
you know.

Speaker 10 (49:11):
But please stop calling them Karen.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Have you got a have you got a preferred name
that you could start now?

Speaker 17 (49:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
What if we start calling them Tyler's?

Speaker 5 (49:23):
No?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Okay, good on you. Karen, Karen? We should have it
down to Kate.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Yeah, we'll just talk with k See how lovely are karens?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
She was perfect, She was respectful to the staff, but
spoke up when she needed to.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Are the six's guys? Losers use the name Karen as
a cowardly way of silencing people who have legitimate concerns
about bullying and sexism and yes, even racism, says Simon.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
Okay, do you agree with that? Tell us?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
So eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty have we
been too unkind to the Karens of this world and
the Darrens? And we actually need people to stand up
when it comes to bad service and bad behavior?

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, because I mean a lot of people are pushing
through and pushing back and saying that we're not using
Karen and the way it is used in the internet.

Speaker 21 (50:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
But the wider point we're trying to make is that
the Karen meme that went so crazy and went everywhere
has made everyone that has any kind of legitimate complaint
scared to speak up because they immediately get called a Karen. Definitely.
And you're not a Karen for complaining. You're a Karen
if you feel sorry for Karen who just called through.

(50:26):
Because I've said Karen three thousand times. You're a Karen
if you act like an entitled, you know, overly aggressive,
you know, complainer, right, yes, if you're rude, yeah, of
genuinely rude, yeah yeah, right, that's being a Karen, right.

Speaker 19 (50:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
But just saying this coffee is burnt. I've bought this
coffee and it's not great. Can I get another one?
That's not being a Karen.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
No.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
But it goes through all of our minds.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Right, if we're sitting in a cafe and something that's
not quite right with the food, I think the majority
of the majority of us would say, I don't want
to camplay. Can't a complain because I don't want to
be called a Karen. Yeah, you know, that's what it
comes down to. And I've been in that situation many times,
and the times that and I don't speak up too much,
but the times that I do, instantly I've got a
little bit.

Speaker 19 (51:05):
Shame for it.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you the example that happened recently. Actually,
I'm got a bit shamed. I thought I was in
the right, but some people are having dinner with they
said they one of them actually said and said.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Well, let's hold it. We'll come back after the break
with this story.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Getting a pilot up here.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Yeah, there you are, and and it'll it'll further my
call for the name of a Karen to be changed
to a Tyler.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Okay, right, that's coming up.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons used Talk,
said B. Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty on used Talk, said B.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Twenty three past two. Have we treated the idea of
a Karen or Darren, someone who stands up and complains
when something isn't quite right unfairly and is it time
to bring them back? What do you say, oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighties and number to call.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
There's a lot of Karen's jumping into the text machine
to complain about you saying somethink instead of something that's okay.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Then see that that needs to be.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
We need the Karens and Darrens to come through and say, Tyler,
stop putting a K on the end of something.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
So you had a story to tell, but shall we
go to this quarter first and you hold on to
hold on longer? Okay, Okay, thank you, Okay, that's just
my suggestion. All right, Okay, let's have a chat to Duane. Hi,
guys are very good, Nice to chat with you. So
what do you reckon?

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Good?

Speaker 5 (52:26):
So a few things.

Speaker 23 (52:29):
I'm with a beautiful partner and her name is Karen,
and she absolutely hates this whole Karen thing because she's
so lovely and she's so timid. So whenever anybody uses
the Karen thing on as she loses it, right, because
I think it's just years and years of bolt up
trustation because of this thing, trying to prove them that

(52:50):
not all Karens are the same. But I think the
previous quarter had a real good point. I come from
a country where where tipping is a thing. There's no
such thing as a minimum wage. And when you live
in a country like that where where you tip, I
myself was away for many years, you learn how to

(53:12):
give good service. Take a servant and also give good
feedback back to that business, because you're right, the business
needs to know when things are not going well. And
the only motivation for a server to do that is
when they get tipped. And if you give good service,
chances are you going to get a hefty tip.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Right, So, yeah, you're saying so as a weight staff,
your livelihood is in danger if what's coming out of
the kitchen as an up to scratch, So you're motivated
to get real feedback from the people and deliver that feedback.
That makes total sense.

Speaker 23 (53:49):
It's absolutely like that, right, because you want to face
that table and you want to give them the best
service you can. And you know, all of this relates
back to life in general. If I believe that in
that scenario, you learn customer service and how to do
with people, You learn how to respect other people, not

(54:12):
just your customers, but also your supporting team, and then
that just changes you as a human being and changes
your outlook and it gives you, It gives you a
sort of a sort of an insight into what you
want to expect and receive when you go out, because ultimately,
if you're going to go out to a restaurant with
your partner, You've set aside one hundred and fifty dollars

(54:35):
to spend that night, and you can literally go spend
it anywhere. So where would you rather go to a
place where you make you feel special and enjoy what
you're getting, or just another place where you spend the
same money.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
If you're getting tips, do you take more abuse than
you would Because if you're just on a minimum wage
and you're serving someone and you get some for want
a bit of word care and going at you, then
you know you don't have a lot of incentive to
take that abuse, right, But if you're getting tips, you're like,
you've got a lot of incentive to bring them around

(55:08):
to try and get that tip off them.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
Absolutely right.

Speaker 23 (55:12):
That's part of life and as part of the learning
curve for young people into adultoos are you're going to
get people like that that you just can't ever.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Please, doesn't matter what you do.

Speaker 23 (55:23):
But ultimately, you know ninety nine percent of people are
not like that, you know, so you've got the incentive
to give them the best and ensure they get the best.
You want to have them have a good time.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Where's the line line, Dwine between a genuine complainer who's
kind of polite but bringing up a situation versus someone
who ventures into Karen category. Where's that line for you?

Speaker 23 (55:51):
I think it needs to be a reasonable, right, So,
to use the example of a good night out in
a restaurant, I think a valid complaint would be, oh,
this is not what I ordered or my food is cold.
I think an invalid complaint would be eating the plate
and then trying to see it back.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, yeah, that's for you. Yep, Yeah, good cool, Thank you,
Thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
This Texas says, I'm a Karen even though my name
is Sharon, but I'm not a horrible Karen. There are
always ways of doing it, but getting your point across.
So there's a Sharon that's a Karen, but not a
full Karen.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yes, right now, shall I mention the situation and whether
I was a Karen, a Tyler whoever you want to
put it?

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Okay, all right, and people can judge. Yeah, people can judge.
We'll run a poll.

Speaker 8 (56:41):
Right.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
So this was about a month.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Ago, So we had May's appearance up and we went
to Taco Loco. We spoke about that on the show
not too long ago. But this was the the good restaurant,
Taco Loko.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Tao Loko. The there was some kind of Taco Loco dispute,
wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yeah, Yeah, some issue went the parking outside with the
the deiry owner.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
And the loco.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
The dairy owner bum rush Taco Loco. Yeah, over some
parking and then started crying.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah. And I think there was a Karen involved in that. Actually,
funnily enough, Yeah, she.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Went for Karen and stuff, crying about us being asked
to move her car from the ten minute park. Yeah,
that was a true Cara right right, So that situation
is your situation isn't related to that?

Speaker 4 (57:16):
No, No, so different Taco Loco.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
So we went out for dinner and got a place
in the back and it's quite a small sort of
area and it was very busy. So we got seated
very close to this other family and as we get
in it was really hard to kind of squeeze into
the seats. There wasn't really enough room for myself in particular,
but for the rest of us. So then I said, look,
I'm just going to ask for another table, and they said, yep,
you can do that. So the lovely waitress she was

(57:40):
pretty young. She would have been about sort of seventeen eighteen.
She come over and say, really sorry, but any chance
we could just get another table because it's really tight
in here and we can't really squeeze in and it's
pretty hard to eat our foods. She said, well, let
me see because we're pretty busy tonight, and I'll just see.
Said yep, that's fine, you go and see, and then
waited there for about sort of five sex seven eight
minutes and I'm like, hey, I'm just going to go

(58:02):
chase this waitress up because I haven't got an answer yet.
And at that point May particularly she's just like, nah,
nah no, just leave us, no, no, no, no, I just
want an answer. So I went out to the front
and found her and she's saving drinks and she's pretty business. Hey,
I'm really sorry to disturb you, but just wondering about
that table. Ah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
I think we're I think we're busy. And she was
getting a bit annoyed at that point and say that
it's okay, but just double check for me if you
can't please.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
So I went back down another ten minutes later, and
this is when the Karen accusation started. I said, you
know what, I need an answer. That's that. If the
answer is no, that's fine, I'll sit back down, but
I need an answer.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
And then May said, you're going to be a Karen here,
so don't call me a Karen. You call me a tyler.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
And then went back up and say, hey, look, really,
if it's a no, it's a no. All gurt and
she was pretty snappy and she said, that's no, you
can't eve another table.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I don't think you've done anything wrong there, thank you,
because you're just trying to work out a situation for
your your family.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
You're not demanding anything, you're just asking yep, is it possible.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I just wanted an answer. Yeah, but it made everyone
really awkward. Yeah, because I persisted, they said just leave it.
Just leave it. Clearly the answers no because she she
doesn't want she's too busy and obviously she doesn't want
to come back and have some sort of confrontation. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
No, I don't think that's bad if you went up
and see it. I look, you start demanding then that
they sort out the table situation. I demand this.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I want that table.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
I am here with my fiance and her family. I've
asked you for a table, Now get me the table.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Yeap?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
That would be being a Karen.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Do you know who I am? Situation? Yeah, that wouldn't
matter in my situation.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Does anyone know you are?

Speaker 4 (59:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
I barely know who you are.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I keep you, but I don't think that's so bad
from your time?

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Thank you, mate, Thank you?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
What do you say though, nine two nine two is
a TEX number and taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty are Karen's and Darren's Those people
that actually complain when something's wrong. Are they genuinely good
for society? And we need to bring them back? It
is twenty eight to three.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Thank you very much, Rayleigh. And we're talking about the
idea of Karen. So this is there this internet meme,
if you will, of Karens and Darren's. These are entitled
constant complainers when something's wrong. But the point was made
right in this very funny Instagram clip that we played
right at the start of the hour, that the very
fact we've shamed those people has that become a problem

(01:01:38):
for society? Are they good?

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Sometimes?

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
We've lowered the bar of what a Karen is to
the point that it is now anyone that even raises
any kind of legitimate complaint, and as a result, standards
are dropping. This Texas is my name is Karen, Hey, Karen,
and I'm really over my name being rubbish. At one
point I did consider changing my name. My theory is
that Karen's are usually over fifty, which is an age

(01:02:00):
where often women gain a new perspective on life, kids
have grown and they are less likely to take crap.

Speaker 8 (01:02:06):
Good on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Well, yeah, we look at this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
So in New Zealand, Karen rose from fourteenth in nineteen
fifty four in terms of popularity for girls' names two
number one in nineteen sixty seven, worth one thy two
hundred and twenty six karens. Wow, So that that would
fit into what you're saying there in nineteen sixty seven,
That track's perfect. It remained near the top through the

(01:02:28):
sixties and seventies, but fell to one hundredth place by
the nineteen nineties and has completely dropped off a cliff
now where there is less than twenty Karens being named
a year in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Okay, that's had a massive impact on the name.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
So it's gone from the most popular it's now and
this is similar in the United States, where it is
now the three thousand and five hundredth name most popular name.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
What a shame? What a shame for the name Karen
nineteen ninety two is the text number. But Ben, what's
your take on this?

Speaker 24 (01:03:04):
Okay, guys, Hey, I've been a chef for past twenty
five years run restaurants. I know, I own them, and
Karens have a certain characteristic. Ay, it's all about the haircut.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Yeah, so you're talking about this blonde to be an
official and official Karen is the how would you describe it?
It's bleached in.

Speaker 24 (01:03:24):
Kind of Bobcat with the friends that goes diagonal. Yeah,
and they're usually a bit older, but yeah, and they
always make it about themselves for some reason. You know,
you might not have even done anything wrong, but but
it's very demanding, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yeah, but do you see what we're saying that people
are so fearful of being called a Karen even if
they're not a Karen, that maybe you don't get the
feedback that you need in your restaurant to make sure
that your standards are high enough, or you learn the lessons,
or you know you can change the systems because something's
going out so that you get repeat business.

Speaker 24 (01:04:02):
Yeah, it's so true. A lot of the time these days,
people will come online after their or left. That's keyboard
warriors or you know, it moves from being a carry
into a keyboard warrior.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Is there any there's nothing than that in my my
my mind.

Speaker 24 (01:04:16):
Yeah, Well, you need to know if there's been a problem.
It's good to know, like if your stake's not cooked,
tell us and we'll cook you a new one.

Speaker 17 (01:04:21):
Or you know, if your.

Speaker 24 (01:04:23):
If something's too hot or too cold, or you know,
we need to fix it on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
The go, and you should be given the right of reply.
You shouldn't get the right to go. I'm sorry, because
because sometimes if something's wrong and then maybe you bring
it up, you might be overwhelmed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
You might be overwhelmed with.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
The professionalism of how the how the establishment responds to it,
you go back.

Speaker 25 (01:04:43):
So true, so true.

Speaker 24 (01:04:44):
Sometimes the way they complain can be I can leave
you a bit frazzled. So you might not also deal
with the with the problem properly because you know someone's
yelling at you and demanding the manager or whatever, and
you don't have enough time to really think like, oh,
what could I do to fix this?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
I mean, there is there ever any reason to yell
at someone, though, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Not at a customer service level.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Hell no, I think you've lost your moral high ground
if you start yelling at people.

Speaker 24 (01:05:12):
Now, I just thought I bring up and tell you that.
And anyway, and a group of them is called a
gaggle of Karen's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Right, And if you've got a mail one, it's Darren,
not a Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Darren okay, cool, thanks Ben.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
A gaggle of Tyler's good cool, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
A couple of teachs here, This one says, get a guys, Yes,
we do need more Karens in the world right now.
I consider myself a bit of a Karen, but in
a good way. I'm the only person in the family
that actually stands up when something is not quite right.
I'm as polite as I need to be. But the
rest it makes the rest of the family very embarrassed.
But without that, how will we get the service that

(01:05:51):
we've actually paid for?

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I think it's incredibly important. Hello, are you pair of Karens?
Says this text Thanksgiving I'll just point out that you
can ask for an upgrade or to move or anything
if you're paid for the table. But you become a
Karen when you start to make it personal, like saying
you didn't do this, you didn't do that, where the
person themselves feels attacked. Absolutely right, there's a way, there's

(01:06:14):
a way you can do it and making it personal,
making an attack on the on the person is not
the way.

Speaker 17 (01:06:21):
To do it.

Speaker 20 (01:06:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Yeah, so you can say, hey, excuse me, I ordered
a rare steak and the steak is you've served a
dog herd. No, in those words, you've served an over
you know it's overcocked. Whatever, it's well done.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Yeah, would you start off with an apology?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
It's a real key we thing. So hey, look I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, complain sorry, I'm sure you're busy. Yeah, but
this isn't what I ordered. So as any way that
we can, you know, there's a way that's sounding horribly
passive agresveent where I'm talking.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Right, instead of picking up the plate, throwing it at
the wall and saying how.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Dare you this girl here like going to someone else
and going this young lady here has served me the
wrong steak.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
You know that's the wrong Yeah, that's the wrong way
to do it, right, I'm feeling some traumal with that. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
So do you think Karen's and Darren's have had a
bad rap and it is actually useful in modern society?

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
What do you say? Eighteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Be sixteen to three is a time to welcome back
the idea of the Karen and Darren proverbial? Do those
people actually benefit society who are willing to raise legitimate concerns?

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Can I ask you a question? Listeners and Tyler, yes,
whether I was a Karen in this situation?

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Please? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
So is that at a bakery, a very lovely bakery
in my neighborhoods that makes beautiful, beautiful French stuff?

Speaker 8 (01:08:02):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
It's could you to name them?

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Actually? I don't know why I named the place I
was a anyway, Sorry, carry on, yeah, maybe I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Kind of have, But anyway, I ordered two coffees for
me and my lovely partner, Tracy. And then there was
a bit crowd there. We're there with that dog, and
then I ate my delicious tuna bag it. But then
I started to notice that because that came, and I
under said the coffee hadn't come out, right, Tuna beget.
I think it was a tuna begit. It was tuna. Okay,

(01:08:29):
it was beget like it was delicious French, um felt French.
Well the big get is I suppose yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,
that's not the point. Sorry, don't derail my story, thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Apologies, carry on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
And then the coffee just didn't come. And then after
twenty minutes Tracy go I was going, oh, Tracy, I
got to ask and I was going, yeah, oh that'll
come there, bussy. And then then finally she goes, I'm
going up to ask, and I said no, no, I'll go.

Speaker 8 (01:08:54):
I'll go.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
You know, I ordered it. And then I go up
and I say, hey, where is there? There are Americano
with cream and Americano and and the person said there
was no order for that, and I said, oh, well,
I of it when I got our food, and they
said there's no order for that. Can you show us
what you paid? For oh, And I was like, what are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
You suggesting here?

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Are you suggesting that I'm running a scam that I
come in here on a Sunday morning and wait around
for twenty minutes just so I can then scam two coffees.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
It's exactly what they're thinking. You're like the coffee bandit.
You just go around these fringe bakeries and but you know,
se a coffee and say I ordered one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
I just thought that the benefit of the doubt would
be I'm not going to go there's a big crowd
that I'm going to go up and get my phone
and look up my phone app and then prove what
I paid to get the coffees. So I just said,
that's fine, that's cool, it's right, we've got to go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
We're busy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
You just keep the money, that's fine, considered it a donation.
And then and they were like well, and I was
like that, And then I just walked out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
In that tone, yeah and a friend.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
There was no raised, raised voice, no raised voice, just friendly,
maybe maybe a slight peppering of passive passive aggression. Okay,
but I was out.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
So nine ninety two, is there been a Karen or
a Darren.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Or should I have just shown my account and improve
showing my transactions on my phone? I proven what I
paid for it so such that they could finally start
making my coffee.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I think you're in the right there, because who wants
to You've waited twenty minutes and then it's almost like
salt in the wounds. So you've been you've been accused
of almost trying to steal this coffee, and then the
you know, the the embarrassment of even to pull out
your phone and say hey, look, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Get twenty five people in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm not running a scam on you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
It's that added accusation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
But what do you say nine two ninety two was
meant being a Karen or a Darren chief Welcome of
the show.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
You're not a Karen or a Darren.

Speaker 25 (01:10:52):
You're the red baron Bro, I say I would have
I would have told her consider a donation to staff
training and then left Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
It's good for you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
As for you, Tyler Bro, I've.

Speaker 25 (01:11:06):
Been in the hospital forty years, mate, and they handled
your ong. That's poor training. All they had to do
was acknowledge your request and then go, look, we're fully
booked right now, but we'll keep an eye on the tables.
When someone moves, we'll move you across and send you
some chips them fassa or a corona. So sorry about that, mate,
And you would have been happy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Time would be great.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Would have been blown away with that. I mean I
would have felt slightly embarrassed if they gave us, you know,
free beer or a free beer.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
But you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
I would have left that place and thinking, holy moly,
those guys are out of this world.

Speaker 19 (01:11:36):
That's amazing.

Speaker 25 (01:11:38):
But you would have thought they listened to you. Yeah,
all they have to do even if they don't give
you a table, they can't do it acknowledging you and
going what your request was important to us.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
We care.

Speaker 25 (01:11:49):
I tell every custer of mind, mate, every time I
do a quote, and this is why I get ninety
percent of my quotes. I say, if we don't meet
your expectations, please tell me straight away and I will
fix whatever we've missed. But I said, if we do
everything right, tell your friends and family, and without fail.

Speaker 14 (01:12:05):
They do that.

Speaker 25 (01:12:06):
I get five star reviews.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
There's no here.

Speaker 25 (01:12:08):
If there's a problem, if I've missed something, I acknowledge it.
Own it and fix it. You haven't think Karen's or Darren's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Are bad, mate, Yeah you do, but can they you know?
Is it important the way the feedback is given to you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
If it's if it's.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Do you do you expect them to respect you while
they're giving the feedback?

Speaker 25 (01:12:28):
Well, but I create the path of least resistance. I
create a path, and at the end of the day,
when I leave a site, I'm like, are you happy
with everything that we don't?

Speaker 21 (01:12:35):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:12:35):
It's great, Jeff, thank you so much, you know. But
I create that path. I build that atmosphere of my
customer is really important and I tell everybody I get
the best customers, and I do, mate over and over again.
They're fantastic people because so.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Built up with you, Jeff, do they? So what's happening
there is is a pressure release valve. So a lot
of the reasons why people end up karening and daring
and thing is because they feel set upon and unlistened
to and frustrated. But if you're clear with them, He's
like this, this is the if there's a problem, then
I'm more than willing to listen so that that pressure
will never build up. So they're less likely to be
rude to you, Jeff.

Speaker 25 (01:13:09):
But you know they have a saying in the South, mate,
and that covers what you call a Karen these days,
and it says what comes up and the bucket is
down in the well and you can tell what comes
out of someone's soul when they open their mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Is you're a philosopher, Jeff?

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
I like that. That's true. Yeah, yeah, thank you, good
call mate, Thank you very much. Hey, there's a text
to you, Julie. She's chucked a cat amongst the pigeons.
Get a guys. Darren isn't the only alternative for Karen.
Murray is also an alternative for Karen?

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
What about Marris? Is Marris a good one for Karen?
The male Karen?

Speaker 26 (01:13:43):
But I do mean a little bit, but it's usually justified.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Sometimes sometimes you give a baby a little smack on
the nappy as well, Marris?

Speaker 26 (01:13:50):
Is that right? I'll tell you a true stories that
happened to it. I went on the public the Dame
and the bar starf said to me, they said, there's
someone looking for you. I said, where are you? The
sky brought his kids and looking for the guy who
dunks children. He said over he wants to come and say,
hell open them. So I wanted to get a behave
just baby, he said, You said thank you, and off

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we go. But I think you two are on the
way to being the Karen. Yes, you sort of, because
like Tyler, when they sat you down and you realize
them and they are really really busy. From their perspectives,
you could have seen the Hayes and he can't then
near and then before you sat down, but you sat
down and you got all see it all. Then you
make a complaint.

Speaker 8 (01:14:28):
But I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
My fat ass wasn't going to fit in the seat,
so I sat down.

Speaker 26 (01:14:32):
Well, you know you should blude yourself with a bit yourself.
And you know it's the same about those things. Is
that you know in that pie shop, you think from
then the bakery, how many people try and stepped in
for a free coffee?

Speaker 10 (01:14:42):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 26 (01:14:43):
When you look at from their perspective, they'll probably get
it all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
But I've probably put thousands and thousands of dollars through
their tell if you know what I mean, Like you
got you I.

Speaker 26 (01:14:52):
Know what you mean, but you know, but even the
day it's like you never know she might not have seen.
She doesn't know who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's why I was. I
was cool about it.

Speaker 8 (01:15:00):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
Look, I didn't know what.

Speaker 26 (01:15:02):
A Karen is. This is the other day. I was
driving down the road. There's a one lane bridge and
a little white line just spoke. He was over them,
white lined, and there was a bus coming and he
had the right of way. Well, there was a Karen,
and she watches one here in a mob in an issuv.
And onlyes I know she did this because she posted
the local community page. She roared arch wind the bus
went when she ruled past, and took photos, three photos

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and posted them all on the Facebook page community page
complaining about this guy didn't give right away to a
school bus and all the rest of it. But she
took photos, so I didn't forwarded that post to the
community constable, and he then gave her a ticket for
taking a photo driving.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Your car, you Karender, Yeah, well done, Morris. Sorry we
got to go to the air.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
But always good to hear from you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Marrius.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yeah, thank you very much. And under eighty ten eighty,
what do you say? Is there a place in society
for the Karens and the Darren's out there to legitimately
complain when things aren't right.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
What do you say? Nineteen nine two is decked.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
It's seven to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Three the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
B News talks there B it is five to three.
Couple of tix.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Good a guys at a cafe in Natia recently, I
didn't receive my side of bacon has ordered, approached the
counter and went to show what I had paid for
on my phone. Was quickly told no need to show us.
They apologized and the bacon was soon provided great customer
service and will return there to your point. See that
would have solved your issue. They just said, look, I'm
really sorry, the order must have got mucked up. Will

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get coffee sorted straight away.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Bruce has taken it political, okay right? He said that
a male Karen is a chippy okay, always bitching and
complaining about everything.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Nineteen ninety two four chippy? And this one says good
a guys. I told my seven year old son that
I had told a man off earlier that day for
speeding near his school, and my seven year old son
called me a Karen period god.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Seven year old son called Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Yeah yeah, well right, great discussion, Thank you very much.
Keep those teaks coming through on nine to nine too.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
This so many texts.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
About Karen's and Darren's. But what the news hot on
our tail, so we will get back to it very shortly.
But one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
new Sport and we're the fast approaching. You're listening to
Matty and Tyler Adams on your Friday afternoon and coming
up in about half an hour New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Talk said, be gooday to you, welcome back into the show.
I hope you're having a great Friday afternoon. It is
seven past three till.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
A lot of people love the coupe and cook names
for the furies people coming through, I think because like
bringing people together, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
I know there's a bit of pushback.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
I don't know why, but you know it's a Winston
How can they be pushed back. Already this pushback, there's
already pushback.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
The pushback, well, I think Winston Peters has already said,
let me just keep my we headline here.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Sniveling Wokesters won't like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
This, is Winston Peters about the name.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Well, he's predicting pushback. Maybe maybe maybe won't get push backed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
So far from that text, there's one hundred percent love.
What would the pushback be, I've got no idea. I mean, look,
maybe he goes on to say he thinks that there'll
be some pushback with one of the theories called cook
the other ones called coupe. I mean that's some you know,
that's is that person see dual representation.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Oh well we'll watch this place, yeah and see if
there is pushback. Yeah, he'll be an interesting position, Winston
Peter's if there's no pushback. If he says that the
sniveling works Bekers are going to push back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
And then they don't, that's a good point. He's probably
got a hea of himself a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Are the sniveling workesters. I mean, what will happen is
that the pushback will be someone in the media will
go to someone and ask for them for their opinion.
They'll give their opinion and then that'll be everywhere, and
then it'll blow up.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Yeah, yeah, you've been on this ride before, Matte.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Someone deep within some sort of lesseno and university in
the country, in some department, they'll be rung up and
they'll go what do you think? And they go, I
like it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
They'll hunt them down, they'll find them. Might take a while.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Hey, just before we move on from the whole Karen
and Darren situation, here's one for you, says is text.
A party of us at eleven went to a restaurant
in the Vineyard area for a family twenty first, two
weekends ago. We arrived at seven as per the booking.
The staff came at seven forty to take the drink order,
which duly arrived at about eight point five, which they

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couldn't supply all the order. They'd run out of stock.
The food ordered was taken at seven eight seventeen PM
and arrived at nine point fifteen. They came and told
us there were no potatoes for a person who would
order them no potatoes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
How do you run out of potatoes?

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
The meal duly arrived at nine to twenty two and
a quarter hours after our arrival. I ordered ribs and
have never tasted anything like it. It was disgusting, covered
with so much sauce. They put too much sauce on red.
This is a source, you know, when you're putting sauce
on stuff. This is a side of fine balance, side
of shoe. Yeah, a lot of sauce can be seen

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as being generous, but there's there can be too much lost.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
You can oversource.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
They didn't supply one of the meat dishes that another
person had ordered when asked for the manager at nine
point thirty when the bill was due to be paid,
to be told he had gone home at nine as
the chef had finished, but we still had to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
The full bill.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
We'll certainly believing the people know not to go to
that place. See, that's it's poor service. You're not being
a Karen if you're complaining about that, right, No, No,
because you've got a twenty first. They've taken the booking
of eleven. You know you've got to have the potatoes
and booze ready for a twenty first for a living.
I mean, I mean you might not have known it's
a twenty first, but you know if you've taken the

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booking for eleven, you've got to have the potatoes and
food ready exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Yea, And so having oversourced ribs terrible. Yeah, yeah, that's there.
That's not Karen behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Yeah, high lads. Your personal examples in a bit like
Hanlan's razor, which you mentioned recently in another show. I
think in New Zealand it's not necessarily a natural thing
to complain about something until generally we've reached boiling point.
Then it can can't become heated and possibly personal. I
think if we just said something calmly and rationally, when
we get a better then we get a better response.
If no luck, then vote with you, Walert and don't

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go back chairs, Linda. And of course Hanlan's raiser is
this handy rule of thumb I was talking about this
last week that goes, never attribute to malice that which
is adequately explained by stupidity. Right, Yes, So you can
get really really angry and you start to feel like
the reason why things aren't being done or they don't
have potatoes is because they are you know, they're actually

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actively working against you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
It's personal. You feel like it's personal.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
But really it's just in competence. And when it's in competence.
You look at the restaurant and go, this whole thing's
in competence. You're incompetent. You're less angry yeah about it
than if you think, oh, this the sweet stuff is
purposely trying to mess with me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah. Those teach coming through on nine too, nine two.
When it comes to Karen's in society, are they good or.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Do we need to bring them back? In twenty twenty six,
listen to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
As Karen that's texted in and said, what a ridiculous topic,
classic Karen David.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
That is a massive Karen. Yeah, that's the worst type
of Karen. Yeah, that's the entitled Karen right there. We
don't want those sort of Karens. We want people standing
up for what is right. So if that is you
tell us, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
an umble.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
To call and if you want to send a text.
Nineteen ninety two is that one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Sauce doesn't have as much to do with flavor as
fat fat as the prerequisite for flavor. Paul, that's a
very good point.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Just a side topic.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Quickly, when you're having ribs, do you expect a wee
bowl of warm water?

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
With a slice of lemon in it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
For cleaning your hands.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Yeah, yeah, will you go knife and fork?

Speaker 8 (01:22:55):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
No, I think I think you could get your hands
in it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
If you're eating any food that involves your hands. And
I think ribs ultimately do.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
And wings is another one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
Wings is a massive Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Then I think that you can expect a bowl of
water to come out, but they need to tell you
that that's what it's for, because you you can humiliate
yourself by drinking that water it's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Heaving to you and asking for another because nice lemon,
lemon flavored water.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Could I have a refill on that bowl of water?
I've drunk that bowl of water. I've drunk that bowl
of lemon water.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
I think here it's good stuff. Nine to two is
the text number. And oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty Is there a place for Karens and Darren's in
New Zealand society? Are we terrible at speaking up when
something hasn't gone wrong? And do we need to encourage that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
What do you say? Tell us it is twelve past three?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Us talk said, be squored a past three?

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Naive? Naive? Naive? This is text you're talking about Karens
and then saying that people won't complain about the coupe
and cook ferries this there will there will be cook Karens.
I say, right, there will be. This is a bit
of a tongue tongue tongue twist. There will be cook
Karens all over the shop.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Whence Peter's isn't stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
He knows that the anti cook Karens will annoy ninety
percent of people that aren't anti cook Karens and be
more likely to vote for him. As always, Winston is
playing the Karens like a violin.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Okay, interesting, I mean, do you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Texter?

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
By all means, give us a call. Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
There's a whole bunch of tecks coming through about the
new names of the fairies. So as he right, he's
as you said, Matt, he's got ahead of the game,
and he reckons there's going to be some sniveling Wokesters
out there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
But is he rarely right?

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Is there going to be that much pushback by calling
a couple of nice boats coupe and cook.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Well, h duplessy Allen has got one some Peter's on
her show after fourd to discuss it. And she's preempting
some people being anti cook Karens. Will there be anti
Cupeck Karens.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
They could be antikoupe Karens. That rolls off the tongue,
doesn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
Just quickly?

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
I haveing a look at the story here. So Peter's
said he anticipated there would be pushed back against the
name Cook with his speech targeting the stiveling woxsters, as
we mentioned, who considered Cook to be a hard bringer
of colonization and mature country does not run from its history.
A serious country does not vandalize its memory. It's a
nice line, vandalize its memory to satisfy the latest fashion.
Asked with who came up with the names, Peters said,

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history did.

Speaker 8 (01:25:19):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Captain Cook was here a long time before colonization. Yeah,
he was there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
It was there very We get.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Confused in history because we think everything just sort of
happened at once, But captain Cook, it was a long
long time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
If you are asked how your meal is and answer, honestly,
is that being a Karen? Yes see, that's that is
a very good question, Texter, Because if someone asks how
your meal is, then surely they want the honest answer.
But being Kiwi's what we do is someone asked us
the question and we say we don't want to hurt
their feeling. I've even both been so far, and I'm

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guilty of this, of being whatever the anti Karen is,
which can actually destroy a business, the anti Karen where
I've ordered some food, i haven't liked it, but I've
just eaten it or spread it around other people's plates
so that the shift doesn't feel bad about me not
eating it, and it's not raised.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
I feel your pain. Yeah, we know it's cowardly.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
It's cowardly, but I just don't want them to go
why didn't you eat that? Because then I have to
answer because it's disgusting and you guys are terrible at
your job.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
It's the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
When they say, do you want to John to put
that in a doggie bag? And I know how you
feel about doggy begs. You're like, man, it's all right,
it's all right, you keep it, save it to the
beckroom stuff. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Oh, this's good one right here? About
you drinking the lemon water, Matt, stop it. You nearly
caused me to have an accident redrinking the lemon water.
I've now got bruised ReBs. I can't sneeze, blow my

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nose or laugh. You just made me crack up and
I'm in agony. He did say cheers from James.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Okay, thanks jas Hey, guys, great thing about the name
for the fairies being Cock and Cooper, is it they're
both immigrants. I think that must be a serious situation. Then, yeah,
they're not Cocking Cooper.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
No, no, it's not Cooper Coope, coopere coupea oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
So can you get your thoughts? Should we have checked
to Gerard? You know Gerard?

Speaker 5 (01:27:09):
Hey, how they're going goes very good?

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
What's your take?

Speaker 26 (01:27:12):
All right?

Speaker 20 (01:27:13):
So I've got an issue with how you guys are
using the word entitlement.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
My My word that I would use is expectation.

Speaker 20 (01:27:22):
Okay, if you enter a restaurant, right, what is your
expectation of the staff. What is your expectation of the
waiter and waitress? What is your expectation of the food?

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
You should not like? I mean, we're paying for it.

Speaker 20 (01:27:38):
We're paying their salaries, we're giving their tips, whatever we're doing,
we're actually paying for it. And you expect them to
either be professional good food. Like I mean, that's your expectation.
It's got nothing to do with entitlement. So if you
go out there and you and you order something and
the food comes out and it tastes terrible, are you

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telling me that you're going to pay for it and
then just go it's fine and you won't go back there.
But if you raised your voice and you don't don't
raise your voice, I mean, if you raise your opinion
to the waiter or the manager and go, hey, listen,
food wasn't great. I don't know if I'm going to
come back and then they.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
Apologize, that could turn you to come back and try
it again.

Speaker 14 (01:28:19):
If he says he's going to fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Does your expectation keep?

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Does your expectation f be in line with the establishment though?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Gerards?

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
So if you've got mitchellin expectations and you're at a food.

Speaker 20 (01:28:31):
Hall, yeah yeah, heah, yeah yeah yeah, one hundred percent, yeah,
one hundred percent. So when I say expectations, if I
walked into a restaurant, for instance, and there was an
upper class one, my expectation would be, hey, there must
be a host, they must set you down, they must
give you a menu, and then they'll give you a time.
When your way to a waitress, you'll be with you.
That is one expectation. But if you walk in there
and it's not really an upper class restaurant, I would

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expect to go and sit down and at least wait
five to ten minutes before somebody walks up and goes, hey,
I'm your way to a waitress. My name is such
and such, and I'll be serving you tonight. But that's
an expectation. But if I go there and I sit
down and I'll wait fifteen minutes, do I just keep quiet?
But do I just sit there and just take it?
I should stand up to.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
Go there and go, hey, listen, where's your manager?

Speaker 20 (01:29:16):
Don't don't flip out, but just go to manage your
Go hey, listen, I've been sitting there for thirty minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
What's going on?

Speaker 20 (01:29:21):
Are you guys understaffed or like I mean, it's all
about understanding the situation and having an expectation, and then
if there is a reason for.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
Them doing what they're doing, great, not a.

Speaker 20 (01:29:32):
Problem, right, But if you sit down and yes, and
you wait for forty minutes and no one comes to you,
and you go and say, hey, listen, what's going on,
and then they just either ignore you or go we
can't help you right now. Then I would actually get
a bit upset and go, hey, listen, we need to
talk to someone. But it's not about entitlement. I think

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they get paid to do a job, and I expect
them to do it in a professional manner. There's people
that go to work and they take they bring their
their their personal problems to work, right I don't do
it professionally. I wouldn't do it to my customer. I
wouldn't do it to my employees. So I expect other
people to be the same. It's my expectation. It's not

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an entitlement because I'm following what I say.

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
What my expectation is, well goes.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
You can manage expectations at the door as well. So
if you've got a good make to d and that's
only going to be in some restaurants, But if you
come in and they go, hey, we're really busy, it's
you know, I'm sorry, service, we're understaff busy. Someone someone
hasn't come in, but you know, I'm so sorry, it's
going to be thirty minutes, it's going to be whatever.
They can totally manage those expectations, right, But what you're

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saying is you sit down and they don't even come
past and say sorry, we're so busy. You know it's
going to be thirty minutes before I can get to you.
Then you can decide whether you stay or leave. Right,
you're not going to be angry about that.

Speaker 20 (01:30:53):
Act exactly, but again, that's communication, Like, it's all your
expectations that if they are busy, somebody could easily walk
up to you before you sit down and go, hey, listen,
we're a bit busy, we're a bit short staffed.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
It's going to be a long way, are you guys
okay with that? And that and that's and that's again.

Speaker 20 (01:31:12):
That was that that training that that someone spoke about
on the radio. It's all about the training and managers
and owners should understand that. And and here they should.
It's called front footing. They should front foot that and
go all right, guards, listen.

Speaker 5 (01:31:27):
If we are busy, this is what you need to do.

Speaker 20 (01:31:29):
If this is happening, then this is what you need
to do and they should have this all in a
like an s O P instead of operating procedure like
when you when you do your job.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
They should also.

Speaker 20 (01:31:39):
Have that as servers or as supervisors always managers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
M Now, now, Gerard, I can tell you originally from
South Africa, do you do you think do you think
kwis are pushovers?

Speaker 10 (01:31:53):
Yes? And no.

Speaker 20 (01:31:54):
A lot of mets are not pushovers, but a lot
are you guys do a thing called passive aggressive A
lot yeah, where you guys will you guys will apologize
but in a mean way.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
It's absolutely amazing.

Speaker 20 (01:32:11):
You get you got hey, don't worrybody, don't worry.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
I'll do it myself kind of thing, right, Yeah, but
you got to do it in a really mass way but.

Speaker 20 (01:32:20):
Also in a mean way, and which is it's good
because then I can see that you're you're frustrated and
I either have to step in line or have to
back off, which which is not a bad thing. But
I'm the kind of it because I'm South African, I'm
quite a People say I'm aggressive, so sound aggressive just
because of the way that I speak, But but I'm

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I'm the kind of forward guard.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
Like I'll tell you when you're wrong and when you're not.
And some people, some people don't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Their passive aggression of kiwis are so bad, and I've
experienced it. So I made a deal with my kids
because I didn't want to bring them up to be
passive aggressive. I wanted them to just say what they
mean and and and so I made this rule. If
I was passive aggressive at all, they didn't have to
do what I said.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
That's a great role.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
So if I if I went even if it was
like would I go to kill you guys to put,
you know, unpack the dishwasher, they'd be like, passive aggressive dad.
I had to say, kids, unpacked the rest of the dishwasher.
Just be direct. And when I made that rule of myself, boy,
I realized how often I was passive aggressive. It was
just basically everything, every request was a passive aggressive abreast

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ord into our psyche.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Nothing was direct.

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
You know, that's brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Thank you very much for giving us a call.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
That's fantastic. Nine two ninety two is the text numbers.
So what do you say, are we passive two passive aggressive?
For New Zealand, we need to need to be a
bit more direct oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call as well.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
It's twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Past three.

Speaker 19 (01:33:52):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty on used
talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Twenty seven pass three. So plenty of texts coming through.
We'll get to a few more before the headlines get
our guys. I hope You'rerard who called us before is
in the hospitality industry, because he sounds like.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
He knows what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
This one says, if you want to talk to a
manager all staff in a busy restaurant, use your cell phone.
Call the restaurant. They always answer the phone. Tell them
you're the customer next to the pop plant in the corner,
et cetera, et cetera. I mean that's passive aggressive.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Don't worry about it, like someone says, you know what
was ford, don't worry about it. It's okay, that's fine,
fine about it. It's fine, that's fine, that's fine, it's fine.
Japanese restaurant in Ipsum A couple of years ago, since
this text door, all food had been served sculpt skewers.
We've forgotten twice owner slash manager came out gave us
the sculpt skills free plus free drinks while they were made.

(01:34:51):
We went from might not come back to we'll deafen
back and happy to recommend to others.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Oh, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
So that's the thing. If you get something wrong and
you're in hospitality, and you write it in a in
a very magnanimous and professional manner, you can turn a
loss into a victory. You can make some one love
your restaurant that would have left hating it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Spot on great discussion. Thank you to everyone who gave
us a call antikes through on that topic.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
But we're going to get to the headlines because.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Coming up after that the moment you'll wait for on
a Friday afternoon New Zealander of the week.

Speaker 19 (01:35:24):
You've talked said, be headlines with.

Speaker 15 (01:35:27):
It your Ride New Zealand's number one taxi app. Download
your Ride today. Former National Finance Minister Sybil Birch has
died at the age of ninety two. He entered Parliament
in nineteen seventy two and shepherded many of Robert Muldoon's
Think Big projects. People in Foxton are warned police with

(01:35:48):
dogs are hunting a suspect accused of a serious assault
and farng Ay who after a chase across Manawatu. Rail
Minister Winston Peters says Kiwi Rail will have a thirty
year contract for managing our new Cook Straight Fairies due
and twenty twenty nine. The two vessels will be named.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Kupe and Cook.

Speaker 15 (01:36:08):
Rutreu's historic Princess Gate Archway will be dismantled and may
not return after engineers have deemed the landmark is hazardous
in extreme wins by now pay later providers. Zip is
pulling out of New Zealand and Kiwis won't be able
to use it for new purchases from August seventeen. Doesn't
affect any existing payments. Dietitians reveal what supermarket soups are

(01:36:32):
actually worth buying. You can see more adamsidherld dot co
dot nzet to Mattethan Tyler Adams, The Matteath.

Speaker 19 (01:36:41):
And Tyler Adams Afternoons, New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Good News Ustorg ZEDB. It's time once again for the
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons on newstorgs EDB New
Zealander of the Week, as always three great New Zealanders
shall be equally honored. And remember any person, group, animal, thing,
team or snack can be on it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
So let's get on with that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
He dresses like Willy Wonker, he laughs like Basil brush Chip.
He called him a blow hard, but he's worried about
his grandkids. So he's jumped off the super yacht and
into the glamorous world of New Zealand politics.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
Some think he's a dick.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
He thinks we're in the ship.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
But respect should always be given to those who do
things not because they need to, but because they believe
they need to be done.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Paul Henry, you are a New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
This Saturday, the All Blacks will play Ireland at Eden Park,
kick off sevent ten pm. Also this Saturday, twenty minutes later,
also in Auckland, the Warriors Dragon's game kicks off. Why
they have to play at the same time, I don't know.
Would it have killed the Abs to play at five
pm like they did last week, thus making an uber

(01:37:59):
Saturday night of sport for all? Is there no calendar
on the wall at our major sporting administrator's officers either way?
This weekend to the kiwis forced to flick back and
forth between the all Blacks and the warriors.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
May the Lord have mercy on your thumbs. You are
new Zealanders of the week.

Speaker 8 (01:38:23):
Me and this fat Kent We ran, We ate and
read books and it was the best.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
He awoke the sleeping dog of New Zealand cinema in
the late nineteen seventies, become an international star doctor Alan
Grant in the Jurassic Park films, Riley, Ace of Spies.
Damian Omen more than one hundred and fifty screen credits
across five decades. He was always in something big, Peaky,
blind is Untamed. He was Merlin for a bit, but

(01:38:54):
always up for a tiny New Zealand project, too global fame,
dry kiwi wit, and often found smashing a glass of wine.
He was also just such a top bloke. Rip sam Neil,
you were golden, even if you hated gold mines, and
you are a new Zealander of the week. Take it away,

(01:39:15):
sam Neil, Lourdan.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
And Jeff Goldland, blackburst singing in the.

Speaker 6 (01:39:25):
Take these broad wings and load.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Oh you were only for this moment.

Speaker 6 (01:39:44):
Black birds swinging in Take these sun See you were only.

Speaker 19 (01:40:06):
Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
You gotta say that that that beat missed the s
word by about a meet.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
It not intentional.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Yeah, so that was beautiful. That's been doing the rounds
that you know, Sam Neil's good mate in Jurassic Park
co star. I'm down at the piano doing a few
songs yeesing Blackbird with Laura there the three originals in there.
There's been a bit a few bits of audio doing
the rounds from Sam Neil this week that I thought

(01:40:33):
was awesome. First up, he was asked at a press
conference a few years ago about the best advice he
ever got from his parents. Listen't to this.

Speaker 27 (01:40:41):
My parents were of the generation that went through a
lot of things. They went through the Depression. My mother
lost her father in the First War. But there were
very stoic people. And I had a year at the
university where I'd done bugger all. It came to exam
time and I realized I'd done almost no work. It
got me very anxious. Anyway, I got her. Mom said

(01:41:02):
how are you doing? And I said, oh, Mum, I
think I'm having a breakdown. And I've got exams in
a couple of weeks, so i don't know how I'm
going to go. And she just looked at me and
she said, well, you're just going to have to pull
yourself together after And I think that was the best
lesson I learned is sometimes you just have to pull

(01:41:22):
yourself together.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Sometimes you do just have to pull yourself together.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
I do enough.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
We say that that much, now do we?

Speaker 8 (01:41:29):
Kids?

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
We go, here's the reason why you like this. You
know the excuse you've got. But sometimes just.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Going to pull yourself together.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
And now, of course sam Neil was not only a
fantastic actor but also a wine maker with his Two
Pettics label. In another interview, he was asked about his
thoughts on wine, and this is what he had to say.

Speaker 27 (01:41:50):
Good bottle of wine is a miracle in the sense
we've been producing wine for thousands of years, and that's
for a very good reason, because it's very good for you,
and it's very good for conversation. That's very good for conviviality,
it's good for community. These are the things that people
who are who are against alcohol have forgot. Christ's first
miracle was he turned water into wine. He didn't turn

(01:42:12):
it into no alcohol wine, turned it into good wine.
And the wedding would have been a dud if he
hadn't done that, and that was the miracle.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
No good, that was the miracle. That was a miracle.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
He's such a beautiful voice, didn't he He did and
smile rop Samneil, what a great New Zealander he was.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
He certainly was right back very shortly. It is twenty
two two four.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talk said, B.

Speaker 19 (01:42:48):
This is news talk, said be breaking news.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
Yes, and breaking news.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
A second case of the H five in one bird
flu has been confirmed in New Zealand, found in the
wire upper. Test results have confirmed a single Coho that's
a swamp harry hawk has tested positive for the strains.
Just repeating that, A second case of the H five
in one bird who has been confirmed in New Zealand.
Test results have confirmed a single Cahu that's a swamp

(01:43:12):
harrier hawk has tested positive for the strain.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
So why are you risking my life by not wearing
a mask right now?

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
Tyler, I'm about to hit to KFC straight after the show. Actually,
you know, we've got to fight this head on.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
We can't be afraid of some little bird flu.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
You reckon, you're going to get your immunity from eating birds?

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Well, I can't get it really apart from my waistline anyway.
There'll be more much more on that with Heather after
four o'clock, but in the meantime, Formula One returns to
Spa Frank Cham this weekend for the Belgium Grand Prix,
with the championship fight tightening at a crucial stage of
the season. Back with us is New Zealand's premiere F

(01:43:49):
one reporter Alex Powell.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Good to see you, Alex, afternoon.

Speaker 17 (01:43:53):
How are we so?

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
Tell us about Spa frock Shomp. It's got some iconic
corners that I've spent a lot of time on my
PlayStation getting familiar with.

Speaker 28 (01:44:02):
Spa is one of the most historic circuits there as
you think back to Michael Schumacher had his first one there.
It is fast, there is not a lot of time
to take it easy on a lap, which of course
brings into the new regulations that there's just not going
to be a chance for these drivers to recharge the batteries,
so it could be absolute chaos this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
Yeah, and you got that first corner, don't you that
first right source, So one hundred and fifty odd meters
after lights out you suddenly.

Speaker 28 (01:44:27):
Have to slam it right and then up into a rouge,
the most dangerous corner on the whole calendar probably.

Speaker 8 (01:44:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
So these long straits, as you say, like the Kimmel Strait,
that is that good for LIAMB and the vcrbs the
better on the slow, tight corners, aren't they.

Speaker 8 (01:44:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:44:42):
But you look at what I did at Silveston last
time out. We thought we were going to have the
same problems there with recharging batteries and the racing balls
casted brilliant. I think they have now really pulled away
into this weird sort of middle ground where they're so
much farther ahead than the rest of the field, but
they're still a really long way behind the top four teams,
which is, you know, it's a nice place to be
if you've got you know, LIAMB laws and armed then

(01:45:02):
Blad able to score points consistently as that sort of
best of the rest team.

Speaker 8 (01:45:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
But speaking of which, what's up with the racing going
to Limblad and upgrading his cab but not upgrading liams.

Speaker 28 (01:45:12):
I got no idea, to be honest, like this came
through this morning that they would bring a new calling
system to Spa. I don't know how much use stinging
it out of it in Belgium because it's going to
be quite rainy, it's not going to be as hot
as we saw or somewhere like.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
Austria or Spain.

Speaker 28 (01:45:25):
But yeah, it is quite a funny one because last
year Liam was sort of the guinea piker that would
test all the upgrades on track because his driver feedback
as world classes we keep hearing from from all sorts
of people. But for whatever reason this year they've given
it to Avid first. I don't know if it's a
way of sort of closing the gap between the two
drivers from the team, or if they're looking to see
if limb Blad can be the one to give the.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
Feedback but a favoritism maybe Well, I mean that's conspiracy.

Speaker 28 (01:45:50):
That's the funny thing because the last two races we've
also seen racing balls pet Limbladd first. Liam's been the
lead par and generally that's not how you do it.
You put your main guy first, stopped anyone else from
undercutting him behind.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
It blows, doesn't it? And what time of the races?

Speaker 28 (01:46:04):
Oh, I think it's a one am start on Monday morning,
isn't it. So if you're planning on doing a.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
Double head and there's no sprint this year in Belgium,
no thank god.

Speaker 28 (01:46:10):
But if you're planning on doing a double header into
the World Cup final, you might.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Benefit of trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
I am planning to do that actually, and I don't
know how'm going.

Speaker 8 (01:46:18):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Bring it on, Alex. Always good to see you mate,
You have a nice weekend. See you back next week.
That is New Zealand's Premium IF One reporter Alex Powell
very shortly hopefully.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
We're just hoping to get Mike Clain on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Actually we do so. The All Blacks are facing a
tough challenge this weekend. They're face in Ireland, of course,
at Eden Park, aiming to continue their fifty two match
strong unbeaten record at the Fortress Alternative commentary collective hit.
Mike Lane will be commentating the match and he joins
us on the line right now, Mike, how you doing.

Speaker 13 (01:46:51):
Good afternoon, gentle? When I'm doing very very well, just
come off the back of a Rugby Foundation lunch there
at Eden park, I mean peeking through the curtains illegally
watching the captains run the All Blacks out there.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
So that's his exciting times.

Speaker 9 (01:47:05):
The Irish are excited.

Speaker 29 (01:47:06):
They think they can do it again.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Will you send a lot better than I have previously
when I've attended the exact same lunch, So good on you.
I would have killed the All Blacks to play at
a different time than the Warriors. Glaneh.

Speaker 13 (01:47:17):
Do you know what kills me about this, Fellows, and
I know you've touched on it a little bit, is
the fact that there's a belief that people don't enjoy
both coaches, like people love the Warriors and they love
the All Blacks, like don't let us don't let us
choose our favorite child.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
Just let us spend time. Let us spend time with
both kids.

Speaker 13 (01:47:36):
Let us go to the to the playground with both
of them, you know, just but for some reason there
is some sort of beef. And particularly the NRL, I
think are quite enjoying the fact that they're having a moment,
and they're quite enjoying the fact that they're not going
to change their schedule and the rape Union like we
have never changed our shoedule we never will for league,
so it's one of these standoffs that unfortunately who loses

(01:47:58):
well us.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Yeah, but how good is the Irish team? Is the
Fortress under threat?

Speaker 21 (01:48:03):
G lane?

Speaker 16 (01:48:04):
Oh listen?

Speaker 13 (01:48:05):
I think the Irish team is a team that probably
haven't five pretty similar to the All Black sectually. I mean,
look with one our two games, but you know, everyone's
kind of like having quite clicked and I think that's
the same with the Irish so far in this Nations Championship,
so you know, if if they play well, potentially, I
don't think it's an Irish team that we have played

(01:48:27):
in the past. There's a little bit of a few
new players in there, so I look.

Speaker 29 (01:48:33):
I think we should win.

Speaker 5 (01:48:34):
We should win at the Fortress, but who knows? Who knows?

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
You like the team that Renny's put together?

Speaker 5 (01:48:42):
I do.

Speaker 8 (01:48:43):
I do like it.

Speaker 13 (01:48:44):
I do like I look like at six. I love
the fact that he can come and cover because I
don't think Patrick Tuopolo to one news will play a
full game. He hasn't played rugby for a while, so
he'll play play sixteen minutes. And I'd say Tovai the
Mahi monster will slip in there and on come will
Peter Luckeye will come on off the bench.

Speaker 8 (01:49:02):
So I like it.

Speaker 13 (01:49:03):
Josh Morby, he deserves the start. He played a great
game last week in Wellington coming off the bench, he
deserves it. The human Shrek looking gentleman, he's like you
know what he's like. He's like the modern day Ben Smith,
you know, like he's he's quicker than you think.

Speaker 5 (01:49:18):
He gets into.

Speaker 13 (01:49:19):
Gaps, hees great assists, He's a very generous football player.
I like a lot about Josh Moore is a lot
to like.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
I think that Ireland will look back at that that
classic clash with the All Blacks at the last World
Cup and go that was when we were peaking and
we didn't beat them then, and and then they'll have
to sit with that for a very very very long time.
An interesting thing with the Fortresses. There's a kids playground
around the back of Eden Park called the Fortress that
kids play on. Are they going to have to tear

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that down when another team, another team ever beats us
there and then that I'm afraid the the slide will
have to be you know, bulldozed.

Speaker 13 (01:49:58):
I think we can just call it the playground formerly
known as the Fortressably, yeah, we don't want if you
don't want to just go bowling down playground.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
It's a good point, all right. And where can people
listen to your glane And we're.

Speaker 13 (01:50:13):
On iHeartRadio and on our sister radio station Radio Headaki
as well, but of course it's live. I'm here on
ZP as well. It's like the missionary position. But if
you want to mix up, head over to Hodaki and iHeart.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Beautifully said my great to catch up mate, go well
with the call. That is alternative commentary collective hit Mike Lane.
It's going to be an absolute doozy of a match
tomorrow nights right Beck in the mo It is eleven
two four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
everything in between.

Speaker 19 (01:50:40):
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Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
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Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
Very good afternoon, Jill.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
It is eight minutes too four.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Yes it is Tyler, and that is the end of
our show. Almost. Thank you so much for all your
calls and texts today.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Now we get so many great kiwi's given us a
call that each week we pick a caller of the week,
and on Monday we were talking about tattoos. It turns
out Gen X and Millennials leading the charge when it
comes to getting tattoos, but the later generation.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
Not so much.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
When we got a call from a fellow called William
who took us on a beautiful comedic journey.

Speaker 29 (01:51:26):
Here he is, You're never too old to get a tattoo.
You know, I'm any ancient now approaching eighty. And in
fact I went into an antiques up and Dominion road
the other day. They wouldn't let me out, you know,
considering how much time I got left a value for money.
I put my AGENTO Syring yesterday and I said, siriy
how much time have I got? Suri just changed the subject.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
It's one way people looking about going that a tattoo
was there, You've got it for life, so then it's
a risky thing to do. But you're saying, am I
going to get in the fairly for money this tattoo?
Now that's exactly the word to look at it.

Speaker 29 (01:52:00):
I drew it out on paper the other day, so
I know what I'm getting.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
What are you getting?

Speaker 29 (01:52:03):
I'm getting my home address.

Speaker 5 (01:52:08):
Because you get.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
So William, are you a stand up comedian?

Speaker 8 (01:52:14):
What's this is? This is level comedy.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
This is some good content.

Speaker 5 (01:52:17):
I can't do that for very long.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Give that man a microphone and get him on stage.
There's some good materials.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
This is the best cool we've ever got.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
This is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
What a great New Zealand of that man was here.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
The Deeply See Allen is up next and she has
Winston peters On talking about the two new fairies Coop
Beer and Cook. Cute names or controversy traps.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Yeah, that's going to be good.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
But right now, Tyler, my good friend, why am I
playing this? This song from English heavy metal band Black
Savis third album, Master of Reality, released in nineteen seventy one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Oh, hang on, hang on, I might know this one?
Is this one called sweet Leaf?

Speaker 8 (01:53:03):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
Great joye as Echoes.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
We had a fantastic discussion about cannabis, the people that
use it, the people that love it, the people that
may have gone a bit sideways getting the knives out
too early in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Yeah, well that's under correct.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
Get bang bang on, Yeah, Tom, I got one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
I've got You've got one. Yeah, Bean, c You've got one.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
It's been a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
You finally got one, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Congratulations.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Alright, you've seem busy, so we'll let you go, Tyler
and I will be back Monday afternoon live nationwide for
more of your calls and texts, and you talk back exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Wee can have support as we put it out.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Before, go Liam, Yes go the all Blacks, Yes go
the Warriors. Screw Argentina, go Spain until Monday morning and
give them a taste to keep from us. All right,
Dan bless.

Speaker 18 (01:54:21):
Now my lad, let them old don know what's your about?

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