Full Show Podcast: 19 August 2026

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Speaker 4 (00:30):
Very very good Afternoons. You welcome into today's show. Great
to have your company. Matt Heath, how are you doing?

Speaker 5 (00:35):
Very good? Thank you? Tyler. The mind is a powerful thing,
isn't it? It is? So I say before that my
lovely fiance Tracy had made me lunch day. It was
a partza and pasta and tarrizzo or tritzo parts. Yeah,
got on you, Tracy, and I was I was loving it.
I was saying you wasn't I? Tyler? How delicious is this?
And then I did some investigation and found out that
it was vegan tarrizzo. And now now I'm struggling to
eat it. You haven't touched it since then, revelation came out,

(00:58):
it's from the corder, so from delicious, which is obviously
my most honest approach to her. Yes to now I
found out it's vegan and I can't eat it?

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:09):
The deceit? I mean, I'm not saying it's quite deceit,
but you know, without that knowledge of the protein not
being quite meat based, it's definitely not meat based.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Then, you know, because you're big on this. The last
time this happened to you, make correct me if I'm wrong,
but someone was offering sausage rolls.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
You bit into it. It's kind of nice, but then
you realized there was no sausage in that sausage roll
at all. It was just lent. It was vegan, yeah,
it was. It was a lental roll. Yeah, and that
traumatized you. So that's what I mean. The mind is
a powerful thing, isn't it. It is. Yeah. It's like when
we were eating those pies the other day and they
were horse pie. Even though they were delicious, the fact
they were made out of horses made it almost impossible

(01:46):
to eat.

Speaker 7 (01:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
Yeah, my ignorance is bliss. Yeah, truly, ignorances bless true.
If I've been handed that horse pie and hadn't be
told it was horse, yeah, I'll be raving about it.
Yeah that's right. But as soon as I was thinking
about the hoofs and the and you know, the horses
I had growing up and stuff, I wasn't I could eat.
It makes a litle lot harder. Yeah, right on to
this particular topic. This is going to be a doozy.
It all kicked off this morning.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
So the labor part says taxes I tax policies rather
of the Greens to Party Marti or even opportunity will
never see the light of day. It all started with
Jinny Anderson, who was on with Mike Coskin for her
regular spot this morning, where she said that they've been
clear that a labor government will not introduce any new
taxes except for their capital gains tax if it.

Speaker 8 (02:27):
Wins hand on heart, if you get to cut a
deal potentially under m MP, all the Greens taxes will
not see the light of day. All of opportunities taxes
will not see the light of day, All of the
Murray Party taxes will not see the.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Light of day.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Absolutely, So we all thought maybe she spoken out of
turn there, Old Jinny Anderson, she said something maybe that
wasn't quite labor policy, because you're basically saying, Greens, you
can run around saying what you want, but it'll never
have None of what you're saying will ever.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Come to fruition. Yeah, because labor you know, aren't doing great,
but they're going to be the dominant party in a
negotiation if that side of the yeah, political spectrum can
form a coalition exactly. But turns out she was bang
on the money because Chrishipkins joined Carrie a few hours
after that and he backed up what Ginny said.

Speaker 9 (03:15):
We're campaigning on a simple, targeted capital gains tax, and
we've been very very clear that things like a you know,
inheritance tax, a wealth tax or lamb tax, these aren't
things that we would support because you know, if you
tell New Zealanders before the election you don't support them,
then you should stick with that after the election.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
So then you're asking the question, that's all well and
good from the Labor Party, but what does the leaders
of the Green Party think about this? They've been campaigning
hard on their wealth tax and their inheritance tax and
several other taxes that they say needs to happen in
this country.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
So Green's a co leader rather. Chloe Swarbrick was on
with I Kry as well when here's what she said.

Speaker 10 (03:53):
There's a reason that I'm in the Green Party, and
that's because I'm here to fight so for nail for
the things that'll actually improve this economy, this country and
our environment for all New Zealanders. You know, we operate
an MMP environment and actually it's up for New Zealanders
to decide what the bottom lines should be.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Clearly, there does need to.

Speaker 10 (04:11):
Be tax reform, and there's a reason that the Greens
have been so consistent on advocating for a wealth tax
the selection because we don't believe in tinkering around the
edges of this system that is clearly not delivering for regular,
hard working New Zealanders.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yes, so the Greens are campaigning hard on a wealth
tax of forty five percent top income tax rate or
higher company tax and an inheritance tax. But Labour's saying no,
And so she's whatever she says and whatever she believes,
and whyever she's in the Greens or whatever her opinions
on the tax system, that will never come to fruition one.

(04:47):
Either that or they'll have to wrestle some concessions out
of the Labour Party. Do you think that's possible. Do
you think that it's ironclad that Labor will not allow
any movement on any of these additional taxes because all
their other coalition partners are coming up with EAPs and
EAPs are different taxes. Look at top, my goodness, the stuff,

(05:09):
the stuff they want a tax? Right, and then to
party Marti. Although you went to to Patti Marti's website
to look at their tax policies and it's not much
of a page, is it.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
No, there was about three lines in there that they
also want to introduce a wealth tax.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
They also want to induce an inheritance tax in some
form of land tax. But it was you can't have
a look. It's literally only three lines.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
One is saying that, and then why they think they
need to do it because tax is important in this country.
But no calculations, no broader policy documents about what the
numbers are.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
But so all your coalition partners that you were, if
you were cobblicting together a government labor want a variety
of more taxes. Yes, and you just want well you
say you just want the capital gains tax. So I mean,
what if what if in the negotiations they go well
CROSSHIPICNS has to stand down so they can do it.

(06:00):
What if they have another name for a tax that's right?
What do you think? Do you think? Do you believe?
Do you believe Labor that that's it?

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Is this a likely scenario? What do you say, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eight? Is Labor backed itself
into a corner here?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Nine two ninety two is the text number the phones
have led up. If you can't get through, keep trying.
It is twelve past one, bag ru Surely the.

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Speaker 5 (06:26):
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Speaker 4 (06:29):
So the Labor Party said it's going to be a
bottom line that tax policies of the Greens to party
Maori or opportunity will never see the light of day.
If they win the election and managed to cobble together
a government, do you think that is realistic when it
comes to negotiations if they do get majority support after
the election. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call a Nine two nine two is

(06:49):
the text.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
This text of Mike, says guys Hipkins confirmed Anderson's statement
one the desperate coalition of cheats and liars just making
fools of themselves. Again, that's from Mike. We haven't actually
heard from I think by the desperate coalition of cheats
and liars. I think you're meaning National Act and New
Zealand first you yeah, they haven't haven't really. Actually I

(07:12):
didn't hear what Mark Mitchell said during the during that
interview this morning on Hosking, he pushed back a little bit.
He pushed back, as you can imagine, But Mike thinks
says Hipkins confirmed what Anderson said one hundred percent, and
we did say that at the stop. So he believes
that no matter what happens, Labor will not take on

(07:33):
any taxes in any coalition agreement other than the one
there or they call it the targeted cabal gains tax, Yes,
anything from from the Greens or to Buddy Marti or
top yep. Are you on Mike's sides? Do you believe
that Chris Hipkins and the Labor Party are truthful that
they will not do that no matter what Mary, what's
your dake?

Speaker 6 (07:54):
Hi?

Speaker 11 (07:55):
My take is that with anything news, there's the toe
in the door. You know, any new text, you just
get that across the line. You can have that check,
and then gradually there's more toes and then there's a
goott and then there's a leg. You know, it's the
same with anything over time, So you've got to be

(08:18):
really careful what you lead in the door. And you know,
we've been saying there's a cost of living crisis, Well
some people do. I see for grand stands and I
see big conserts, and I think, well, I suppose he's
a cost of living crisis for some people. Some people
do have to work a lot of jobs. But so
adding taxes, I don't see how that helps a cost

(08:39):
of living crisis. I mean, we have enough crisis with fuel,
with tariff.

Speaker 9 (08:45):
With things that.

Speaker 11 (08:47):
You know, we're a little boat and a big sea,
and we get it rocked around enough from the big
c let alone creating our own rocking within our own
little boat.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
So when you look at the labor capital gains tax, right,
the twenty eight percent tax on capital gains from residential
investment and commercial property that word apply the gains occurring
after the first of July twenty twenty seven. Do you
see that as a little foot in the door and
then it grows from there?

Speaker 11 (09:18):
I think it is with everything you know, you say
yes to GEST and then over time GEST the amount grows. Yeah,
I mean you say yes to MMP and before you
know it, you've got you know, eleven parties and you
know he's trying to slice the pizza in ten different ways.
I mean, once you say yes to something, you know

(09:38):
it only grows after that. And you know, you might
not always have the typtoms. You might have another leader
that says, oh, well, you know that was his idea,
this is mine.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, And I think I think there's been some historical
examples of that. But just on the Green Party, Mary,
do you think it is realistic that Labor can hold
that line that they will not even consider any of
the text policies from their likely coalition partners, or do
you think there is potential there that the Green Party
will say, you know what, you don't want to think
about it, this will just walk away and you're not
going to be in government.

Speaker 12 (10:12):
I think that it all comes down to really the
votes on the day and you know how how a
coalition would be made up, and it depends. You know,
there's a lot of factors involved. But I think you know,
we we New Zealanders choose who's there and choose what's done.

(10:34):
And I think if we're going to make choices, we
have to be very very careful, because we've got enough
rocking of our boats from from across the seas let alone.
You know, we're within our own little boats. So I
think we've got to be very very careful.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Are you happy with the taxation system we have right now?
Mary or as Chloe Swarbrick was saying, it needs major change.

Speaker 11 (10:59):
Well, I'm seventy next year.

Speaker 13 (11:03):
So you know, when you when you contribute to society
and work hard, and you know, try and have a
home at the end of your days, and you would
like to give an inheritance to your kids, I don't
think that should be stolen off you. And I feel
sessions about the opportunity party with that. I feel like
they're going to rob Peter to papers.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah, I think the inheritance tax is just so inherently wrong.
People work their entire life, and one of the motivations
that we for working is to set things up better
for your family, right right, Yeah, It's a huge motivation
as a human. I mean, that must be one of
the main reasons why you work. I mean I'd probably
just sit around eating fish and chips and doing hardly

(11:45):
anything at all and living a very small life. If
I wasn't thinking about my children, right.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, So the deep psychological thing to do better for
not only your family, but whatever comes after, right yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
And the Greens proposed taxes a thirty three percent inheritance
gift tax above one million, with exceptions including family homes farms.
So you know, if you it's just you've already paid
tax your whole life on all that, on everything that
you accrue across your life. To give something to the
next generation. See the idea that you would take that

(12:16):
at that point, It's just it's just a gross way
to look at the world. It's not yours to take
off and give to someone else. I can't disagree with that.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
That's if you're working your whole life and you're paying
that income text and then all the other texts. Then
you buy a property and you pay text on that,
and then at the end when you die, they then say, hey,
by the way, you're dead, but when we want a
little bit more, even though that you've built that up
for your family, I just cannot. I can't disagree with
what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
There's no part of what they're proposing that is a
logical thing. It's an honorable thing. To work your whole life,
for your family, for your kids and your grandkids. Yeah,
it's not something that needs to be looked at in
a punitive manner. You know, disgusting. You've done well? How
dare you hand it on to your kids? Yeah? What
do you say?

Speaker 14 (12:58):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (12:59):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty And do you think Labor,
if they win the election, can actually do a coalition
deal if they say no to any of their likely
coalition partners tax policies O one hundred and eighty ten
eighties a number guys. I Believechris Hopkins one hundred percent
that the only new tax will be Labour's CGT. However,
to get the Greens and Opportunity on board, he may
allow a wealth levy and a land levy to head it.

(13:21):
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Speaker 5 (15:13):
B twenty six PAS one. So the Labor Party isn't
giving any credence to the tax policies of their likely
coalition partners. They say, if they win the election, those
particular policies will never see the lights of day. The
only policy they're going to introduce is their own a
capital gains tax. So what do you say, is that
a likely scenario when it comes to coalition negotiations. Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

(15:35):
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Speaker 17 (15:41):
Yeah, So, I mean, I don't think any of these
parties are really interested in winning the election, because you
don't go to an election, you know, announcing a list
of taxes. So you know, it's hard enough for labor
to win the election, you know, just over a capital
gains tax. I can't see how all the other taxes

(16:04):
are going to get digested by the public. So I
don't think we're going to have a change of government
that I think they're handing the election to the current
coalitions so that they must know they've got no chance
of winning, so they're just coming and introducing, I mean,
suggesting all these taxes.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
But so you don't believe that the Green Party believe
in the tax policies they're putting across. Because Chloe seemed
pretty adamant in her in her comments earlier today, like
we got those? Have we got those? Andrew? Have you
got Chloe's comments earlier today, she seemed pretty much pretty

(16:45):
adamant that she was that the tax system needed to
be massively overhauled. She wasn't backing down. So do you
not think that they believe that?

Speaker 17 (16:58):
Well, so are New Zealanders. Most New Zealanders are adamant
they don't want to pay a list of some taxes.
You know, we're already paying a lot of taxes. And
if these guys are just going to come up with
a list of taxes, not just the capital gains tax,
with all the other lists of all the other parties,
you know, I'm sure News, I'm very confident that majority

(17:19):
of New Zealanders are not going to support They haven't
even supported a capital gains tax. You know, Labor has
lost elections over capital gains tax for years.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
But it's not about the majority.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, I get what you're saying, crime, but it's not
about the majority, right, and no doubt about it. It's
there is a section of society that supports the idea
of a wealth tax or inheritance text. They think that
they're being cheated somehow by people who do well in life.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
So there is a section of society.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Who believe that and may give their vote to the
Greens because of that, or the Opportunity Party. But even
if it's not the majority and Labor comes and they're
going to have to work out a deal. So do
you think realistically they can form some sort of coalition
with the Greens with the statement that their tax.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Policies will never see the light of day. What if
the Greens walk away and say, you know what, that
is a bottom line for us, We're going to walk away.

Speaker 9 (18:07):
And no for you.

Speaker 17 (18:10):
Yeah, I think we're just good we're all having this
discussion because that clearly shows you know that it's not
going to happen. Because you know, that's what it shows
to me. I've got faith in the system that you know,
we're having a bit of a balancing act going on
here at the moment. So I'm very confident none of

(18:31):
these factors are going.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
To come in.

Speaker 17 (18:32):
It doesn't matter who comes into government, and I'm just
gonna go ahead and make my life decisions and not
putting anything on hold, because you know, it's just absolutely ridiculous,
you know, I don't think I mean, even if the
Labor Party comes in, we might have to take their
word for it, but we can't because we've seen it.

(18:55):
Even in Australia for example, when Labor came in there
and they said, well, no new taxes and they've just
increased the capital gains tax or whatever's going on over there.
That happened recently this year, and that hasn't been popular,
you know, to the extent where Australians and are thinking
of coming and investing in property in New Zealand. So yeah,
I just don't think, you know, Kiwis are ready for it.

(19:18):
And it doesn't matter who gets in, whether it's the
opportunities that it just means they're not going to get in,
you know, because we've still got till the seventh of
November to decide, and we're all tuning in and discussing.
I think it's healthy in a democracy to talk about
all of this, and I just can't see how any
of these taxes are coming in a cost of living crisis,

(19:41):
you know, when we're in pretty much war times.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
But just going back to the original question, car, you
can see when it comes to political negotiations around coalition,
some things are said pre election and then the numbers
come out and maybe a particular party hasn't done quite
as well as it expected to do and it has
to make some concessions and it has to negotiate.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
With a party to get across the line.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Can you see a potential even though Labor has said
this policy, these policy will never get across the line
when it comes to text apart from their own. But
can you see a possibility they get after the election.

Speaker 9 (20:14):
They don't.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
They don't have the numbers themselves. They need the Greens,
they need opportunity maybe to party Maldi. They make a
concession and we see one of those policies come across
the line.

Speaker 17 (20:24):
No, I can't see that happening at all. So I'm
very confident. I mean, obviously I'm not going to be
voting for any of those parties, and I'm very confident
that none of that it's going to happen.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
And even if.

Speaker 17 (20:36):
Labor did have the opportunity to form a government, I
might have to take their word on it and just say,
well bag, and it just means, you know, they won't
be able to form a government, So you know, either way,
I just don't see it happening.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Okay. But the thing is, as the six says, has
your current caller not seeing the latest poles. The opposition
is leading so has every chance of getting in. But
also the question is do you think Chris Hipkins if
he's given the option of being an opposition and definitely
losing his job as the leader of the opposition, So
basically going into the political wilderness or finding a way

(21:13):
to give the Greens something that they want under a
different name. I mean, there's always like you if you
look at the last Coalition agreement, there was a bunch
of stuff and then I know a lot that wasn't
really ruled out, but there was a bunch of stuff
that Act in New Zealand first got across the line
with National that they probably wouldn't want to do, you know,

(21:34):
you know, employment law, charter schools for acts, you know,
supporting the Treaty's principal bill for a few rounds yep,
and New Zealand first got a bunch of regional spending, superannuation,
you know, stop discussion about that being increased. They demanded
some policing stuff. I mean, to be fair, a lot
of this stuff is kind of what National might want

(21:57):
to do to a certain extent, right, yes, yeah, But
the question really is if it's a difference between getting
into Parliament and not and whether the Greens are willing
to put their foot down and go, well, we'll just
stay in opposition unless you give us this, and there
a labor has to go well, will we stay in
opposition as well, or will we just you know, roll
cross hipkins, put another person in there, or find a

(22:18):
way to sell it. You know, what is the likely
scenario in your view?

Speaker 4 (22:21):
It's three years to the next election. Yeah, so just
hope people forget that's right. Bearing in mind also when
it comes to the Green Party, it's got to be
ratified by seventy percent of the membership. And we know
how wild and crazy and different thinking that membership is.
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You very much, Ray Lean.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
So the Labour Party has drawn a line in the sand, say,
and there will be no deals made with coalition partners
on their various tax policies if it has the numbers
to form a government after the election. Do you think
that is a likely scenario when it comes to coalition negotiations.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Matt and Tyler says this text that Ginny Anderson didn't
actually say they would not remove any current proposed exemptions
though just the twenty eight percent. Regards Jimmy, Well, let's
listen to what she.

Speaker 8 (24:25):
Said hand on heart. If you get to cut a
deal potentially under m MP, all the Green's taxes will
not see the light of day, All of the Opportunity's
taxes will not see the light of day, All of
the Murray Party taxes will not see.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
The light of day. Absolutely, let's just completely relate to
what was saying. What about the text here, Mate says
this text of the poor are paying all the tax
and the rich almost nothing. And you think that is okay?
Do you think we will stand for that forever I
can't afford a car, and the richer flying business class.
It's only a matter of time until we rise up. Well,

(25:00):
you might be surprised how much you're getting from those
who you want to rise up against, because in the
latest figures we have here, the top twenty percent of
come earners currently pay more than sixty percent of all
income tax collected, The top ten percent pay forty five percent,
while the top one percent alone contribute fourteen percent. So
the same pattern exists for GST, with the top twenty

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percent of earners accounting for thirty five percent of all
GST collected, in the top ten percent contributing twenty percent.
So the tax system this argument that the rich in
this country, or what's perceived to be rich, what's defined
as rich, don't pay their fair share of tax. I mean,
the top twenty percent of earners currently pay more than
sixty percent of all income tax. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And

(25:44):
I'm just it's not true. It's a thing that people,
you know, to in the in the lust for power. Yeah,
people spread around these mimable statements, but it's just not true.
And no, it's not true. People are getting heavily taxed
and spending a lot on our social welfare system and
health system and various other things in this country. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
And the other part of that, in relation to those
figures is when the Greens put out there at their
particular tax policy, You'll remember Treasury came out talking about
capital flight. So those top one percent or ten percent,
they're pay a large amount of the tax in this country.
They predicted that an in one percent wealth tax could
trigger roughly a seventeen point five percent reduction in the

(26:26):
taxable wealth because people will just leave this country.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
They will say that's unfair. I'm already paying more than
my fair share. I'm leaving. And so that text you said,
I can't afford a car in the health systems in trouble,
and we don't have enough tax in this country, Well,
those people who are paying the tax might leave, and
then we're in more shtoock than we are right now. Yeah,
and ask yourself who's flying business class, because there's some
people flying business class that are also pushing for more taxes.

(26:53):
But you know, so the Greens policy two point five
percent and your wealth tax on net wealth above ten
million dollars. See the key point there is net wealth.
So you know that a lot of a lot of
that wealth that these these people that it defined as
being the rich hold is not wealth that they have
access to. It's not just sitting in their bank account.

(27:15):
It is in the assets companies that they own. Yeah,
tied up. Yeah, So a lot of these people are
only making one percent profit a year, and if you
tax two point five percent, you know, maybe they're making
imploring a whole lot of people, a whole lot of
people to make one point eight percent profit just to
make pull the number out, and then you're going to
tax them two point five percent, they'll just pull out

(27:36):
and all those people lose their jobs. Exactly. The charging
people on net wealth is it's it's completely illogical and
it's really a tax of envy. Yeah, because you can
put up a number, you go, oh, that's that person's
worth ten million dollars. If you don't think about what
being worth ten million dollars actually means in terms of

(27:56):
the productivity that you're creating in the economy, what do
you say?

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Oh it under an eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? And nine two ninety two is the text.
Plenty of texts coming through. We'll get to some of
those very shortly. It is nineteen to two. Back in
a few moments.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Madd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's.

Speaker 15 (28:15):
Mad Heathen Tylor Adams.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Afternoons news talks, there'd be It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
So the Labor has ruled out any of the tax
policies of their coalition partners getting across the line if they.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
Have the numbers to form a government. Do you believe
that is the likely scenario? Oh, one hundred eighty ten
eighties the number to core nineteen nine to is the
text being welcome to the show your thoughts.

Speaker 18 (28:36):
I don't think that Tipkins will bring in any further taxes.
I don't trust the boat because he said that in
twenty twenty or for Durn and we ended up with
the ute tax and the bright line tests got increases
and stuff, so and they said they wouldn't do it,
but they did it. So I don't trust them there.
But I don't think believe they will because I went

(28:56):
to a street corner meeting the other day that Reuben
Davison was holding in christ Church. I asked him about
the CGT. I said, you do realize the disaster that's
unfolding in Australia right now with the increase in CGT
and how rents are skyrocketing and landlords are exiting the
market and no one can even get a rental if
they're a renter. And he goes, yeah, they were aware

(29:19):
of it, and they were actually actively monitoring it and
they were concerned.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
And I said, so why go ahead with the CGT.

Speaker 18 (29:27):
And and along, you know, after a few minutes of
the conversation and progressing, it almost sounded like they felt
like they had made a mistake in announcing the CGT
last year, you know, before they worked out what was
happening in Australia.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
But they've got no choice but to run with it.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
Now, right And does that worry you that if that
is true, does it worry you that they won't do
the morally right thing and roll it back now that
they have more information.

Speaker 18 (29:56):
Ben, Well, they've got no choice. They have to run
with it. They have to do it. But you know,
that's why I believe that none of these other tax
is going to see the light of day, because look
what's happening in Australia over a fifteen percent, you know,
increasing the CGT from fifteen to thirty percent. Now, if
you bring in a CGT as well as a land

(30:17):
tax and a capital and other texas inherits in that, oh,
this country is going to be screwed. It's going down
the drain, like you know. So yeah, yeah, And I
think they started, They're starting to wake up what's happening
in Australia. But they've got no choice because continue they
can't pull back.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
Do you think being that the Labor Party, many of
them are still still the same people as the last
Labor government, do you think that they've been fiscally responsible
in the past and done the right thing for the country.

Speaker 18 (30:50):
No, No, absolutely not, but I do see that, like
speaking to this ruven guy, I do see that they
do know the mistakes they've made in the past, and
I don't think they want to repeat them. And they
do see what's happening in Australia, but they've backed themselves
into a corner and it's not a lot they can
do about it.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Well, good on you. I've got to say good on you,
Ben for going to a stand up you know what
I mean? Like a lot of people vote and then
and don't really engage, but you've I'm.

Speaker 7 (31:19):
Not going to vote for them, but I just want to.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
I just mean that you're going and asking questions of
someone that's running for parliament. It's a great amount of
involvement in the whole system. That's awsome. Good on you, mate,
Thanks Ben.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
A lot more than most people do, that's for sure.
Chairs Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you
agree with what Ben just said? Do you think that
the Labor Party may have packed themselves into a corner
with this capital gains tax that they announced and didn't
have the detail on. Now they do have the detail
and do you believe them that they will never allow
any of their.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Coalition partners to get their text policies across the lot.
A bunch of Texas are texting this a national talking
a big game. But they're bringing in congestion charges and
rucks on all vehicles. The congestion charges come on. They've
got a lot of levies coming through. Yeah, what is
the congestion charge if it's not another tax? Exactly? Yeah, Yeah,
congestion charts disgusting. Well, you know, way to kick the

(32:14):
people in the nuts that are most productive. Yeah, and
we're going to charge you for driving into work. You've
set them off, Texter. Yeah, ninety two is the text.
Keep those coming through. It is twelve to two.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons News Talks EDB.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
News talks 'b.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
It is ten minutes too too, and we are talking
about the Labor Party putting a line on the stand.
They said this morning, Chris Hopkins and Jenny Anderson that
there will be no new tax policies, even from their
coalition partners, if they are in a position to former government.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
The Sexa says, is Ruben Davidson a magician on the side,
that's the member of the New Zealand Apartment for the
labor part. He does look a lot like Rubens Davidson.
He does look a lot like the incredible Burt Wonderstone.
He does. He looks so much like the incredible Burt Wonderstone.
The musician played by Steve Carell in that movie. Always
thought that he just needed a bit of a cape.

(33:10):
But he's just got that look about him. He's got
the bed. I think he had a little bit of
eyeshadow the last time I saw him. Maybe not, Maybe
he's just got sort of dark eyes, but he just
had that Las Vegas magician. Put him in a doctor
strange coat. And you tell me he can't do magic? Yeah, exactly.
Oh on one hundred and eighty ten eighties number to
call this sexat says, Jenny Anderson is not the labor leader.

(33:30):
She can say whatever she wants and unless Hipkins confirms
her comment, he can then say that she spoke out
of a turn or that was her opinion. Wow. See,
Kerry Wooden was onto that. She immediately got Chris Hopkins
on and this is what he had to say.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
We're campaigning on a simple targeted capital gains text, and
inheritance tax, a wealth tax, the land tax, these aren't

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Yes, so he's been pretty he's been pretty clear. Dallas.
Welcome the show, fellows, how are you.

Speaker 19 (34:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (34:06):
Good, guys.

Speaker 20 (34:08):
Look, we all know that after the election, that's when
negotiating starts. And then it's like the clash of the
bottom lines. You know, you get all these parties getting
here and they've all got bottom lines. But the parties
were the most vote share their bottom line will probably

(34:29):
you know, win. Most of the bottom line clashes are
the elected.

Speaker 21 (34:33):
So Toloy is right.

Speaker 20 (34:35):
The voters actually decide these things because if you give
a party a big majority, that because the more power
to get their bottom lines across and so so a
party like Labor they can say, well, this is our
bottom lines. But then every party has their bottom line.
So that's what negotiation is after the election. So then

(34:57):
it depends on how much power you've got, and that
comes from the voters.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
So right that well, I just think it's interesting though
the Greens have spent a lot of time sort of
I guess you'd say close to government without actually entering
into a formal coalition. So twenty seventeen, twenty twenty three
they had ministers, but those ministers were outside of cabinet.
So the Greens might go, well, you know, you may

(35:22):
have got slightly more votes than us, Labor, but we're
your only path into power, so we want this, this
and this. Historically you haven't treated us that well. We
do actually have more negotiating power than you might think.
And then it would take a very morally I guess,
for want a better word, a robust person to say,

(35:45):
these are my options either be prime minister or be
in the opposition and you know, lose my job as
the leader of the party. Even do you see what
I'm saying when it comes to it that you know,
when you're offer just a shiny bable of being the
prime minister, then yeah, maybe maybe you suddenly find a
way around the thing that you said were we're not
going to have any more taxes.

Speaker 21 (36:05):
Yeah, and I agree Chris Epsko to if he's negotiat
with the Greens. He can say to the public, well, look,
you didn't give us enough votes, enough power, and the
Greens have got fifteen percent, We've only got twenty percent.
So things have changed since.

Speaker 7 (36:21):
I made those problems.

Speaker 20 (36:22):
But now we're looking at a different scenario where the
Greens have got more power. So I have to concede that.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Absolutely, there's a whole lot of different ways to sell it.
And then maybe you go, look how evil New Zealand.
First is look what they've been saying on the campaign
and just morally we cannot let them into Parliament. Again,
there's lots of ways that you could you could sell it.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
That's right.

Speaker 20 (36:45):
Take everything is a grain of salt that these parties say,
like who they're going to go with, who they're going
to rule out, rule in.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
What, especially when the bables, the bables of power are
floating around Dallas. Exactly.

Speaker 7 (37:01):
Yeah, you can justify.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
But I mean, the biggest worry in my view for
Chris Hopkins and the Greens is he doesn't just need
to convince Marta mar and Chloe. He's got to give
seventy five percent of the membership. And it was a
fear point May when James Shaw eventually stepped down, but
there was a confidence vote made by that membership before
he decided to step down because they were angry at
the lack of policies. They managed to get across the

(37:23):
line with their labor and their confidence and supply agreement.
So I think, if anything, that membership is radicalized, even
more so if Chippy wants to try and do a
deal when he's got to get that whole membership across
the line, good.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Luck to him. Thank you for you call Dallis. They
actually managed to negotiate a memorandum of understanding with the
National Party, didn't they They did in two thousand and
eight working together on was it home installation or something?
It was. Yeah, So they negotiated with the National Party
all the way back then. But I think let's be clear,
they can't. They're not going to then they're not going

(37:56):
to be able to go across the road as cross
Up considered and go and negotiate with a whoa, okay,
but of drama there, Hey, we're going to keep this going.
So I went hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
There's so many people want to have a chat at this,
and so many texts that are coming through, but want
to hear from you.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
So what do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Labor has said that the text policies of the coalition
partners will never get across the line. Do you think
that is a likely scenario with what you see in
the polls and how poorly Labor is doing at the moment.
Do you think they've rarely got the leverage to make
that sort of statement or are they going to change
their mind if they have the numbers to make a
government tell us eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call?

Speaker 5 (38:34):
Nine two niney two is the text number? You're listening
to madd Eth and Tyler Adams on your Wednesday afternoon.
Great to have you with us. Stay here, we'll be
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Up, Matteath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 1 (39:02):
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Speaker 5 (39:05):
Talk said the it is six far too Welcome back
to the program. Great to have your company this Wednesday
after noon.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
We're going to carry on this discussion now to bring
you up to speed.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
So this is the Labour Party.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
They've drawn a line in the sands, saying there'll be
no deals made on coalition partner tax policies if it's
in a position to former government. After the election, Ginny
Anderson was on with Mike Cosking for her regular spot
with Mark Mitchell this morning, where she made it clear
the only new tax Sole introduces their own capital gains.

Speaker 8 (39:31):
Tax, hand on heart. If you get to cut a
deal potentially under m MP, all the Greens taxes will
not see the light of day. All of the opportunities
taxes will not see the light of day, All of
the Murray Party taxes will not see the light of day.

Speaker 22 (39:46):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
It was funny because everyone was like, I wonder if
she's spoken out of turn, because you're basically saying whatever
you say Greens, whatever you say to Pati Maari, whatever
you say top doesn't matter. You can go and campaign
anything you want, say whatever you want about tax, but
we're not doing any of it. It ain't happening. This
ain't happening exactly. Sounded like she was speaking out a line.
Maybe he's spoken out of turn, but not say no.
Because a few hours later Chris on this very station

(40:09):
backed up that it was a bottom line for the party.

Speaker 9 (40:11):
We're campaigning on a simple targeted capital gains tax, and
inheritance tax, a wealth tax, or land tax, these aren't

Speaker 5 (40:27):
Just really annoying the way, you know, when you've spun
it up and you've tested it out and you've branded
it up the simple targeted capital Dame's tacks, they never
just say Capital Day's tax is always simple targeted capital
gains tax now and I guess it works, but it
always feels a bit slimy. Yeah, it's a dilutor. We
all know what it is, capital gains tax. You're marketing it, Yeah, exactly,

(40:48):
a bit a pr spin on it.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
But as you can imagine, you want to hear what
the Greens have to think about that bottom line that
their tax policies of wealth or inheritance tax, if they
do with the ord labor, we'll never see the light
of day.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
But Green co leader Chloe Swarbrick wasn't backing down.

Speaker 10 (41:02):
There's a reason that I'm in the Green putty, and
that's because I'm here to fight too for nail, for
the things actual improve this economy, this country and our
environment for all New Zealanders. You know, we operate in
an MMP environment and actually it's up for New Zealanders
to decide what the bottom lines should be.

Speaker 15 (41:19):
Clearly, there does.

Speaker 10 (41:20):
Need to be tax reform, and there's a reason that
the Greens have been so consistent on advocating for a
wealth tax the selection because we don't believe in tinkering
around the edges of this system that is clearly not
delivering for regular, hard working New Zealanders.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Yeah, and she mentions the MMP environment. Right, but as
a standlone party, the Greens have never been a formal
coalition partner. No, They've never really got anything. They're not
great negotiators when it comes to MMP. So maybe they'll
wake up because this taxi here says Labor can tell
the Greens to pee off, and the Greens can't do anything.
They can't go with National, so they are stuffed. And

(41:54):
that's what Chris Hipkins said. Basically they can go and
talk to National, but also Equally, Labour can't get in
without the Greens, right, So you actually have more power
than you think if the Greens are like, well, we
don't think that. You know, the stuff's still important. So
you know, we're not going to go into coalition with
you and put you in unless you give us what
we want. Yeah, you know there is a bit of

(42:15):
negotiation power because the labor Labor may not have anyone
else to go with. You know, Top more than likely
won't get over five percent, and so you know, if
they're cobbling something together. Yeah, the Greens have got a
bit of power. I actually think they've got more leverage
than Labor over this because Labour's actually been in government
and they dearly like to be in governments again, as
you said, the Greens have always just been on the

(42:36):
on the sidelines, even when they've made a deal.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
They've never been in cabinet. So they've got nothing to
lose here, everything to gain. So I actually think they've
got the leverage to say, you know what, stuff, your
National and the Coalition Act in New Zealand first are
going to get another run because you guys aren't going
to give us anything.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
We're going to walk away Marnama just goes up to
Chris Hopkins and whispers in his ear, would you like
to be prime minister again? We can make you prime
minister again. We just have to add a two point
five percent and your wealth tax on net wealth above
ten million dollars twenty million dollars for a couple of
thirty three percent here as his text, all the text.
You had a thirty three percent inheritent text, then you

(43:13):
can be prime minister again? To be would they get
him over the line you liked being prime minister? Didn't?
I'm sure he'd love to hear that. What do you
say that one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number two called leez you reckon? He'll be good to
his word, Chris Zipkins.

Speaker 23 (43:28):
I definitely think he'd be good for his to his word. Now,
first time with you guys that I've that I've rung yet.
But yeah, I listened to Mike Hoskins this morning, and
you know the narrative that he was trying to put
across was that regardless of what Reciptin says, if the
Greens into party Mary want these taxes that he'll have

(43:52):
to give in Well, yeah, look, you know this is
not my first radio of I think this is my nineteenth.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
Election right coming up.

Speaker 23 (44:01):
Awesome, So you know, you know, seen a bit YEP
and Midday and you know, I as far as you know,
we've got the m MP, and you know, the way
things have been in the last two and a half
three years with the government we've got now in the coalition,
you'd have to say that to party Mary and the

(44:24):
Greens would be pretty pretty adamant that they want to
change the government. And if they're not going to get there,
if they're not going to get there the tax that
they want their new tax rules, you're saying that they

(44:47):
that they won't support labor, Well, I totally disagree.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
So you think you think they just that they just
hate Act and National and so much. But you know
what I'm saying, you know what I'm saying that they
that they would think that they would think that it
would be worse if the coalition that hasn't now stayed
and then being lab gotten and didn't give them any
concessions one hundred percent.

Speaker 22 (45:12):
You know.

Speaker 23 (45:13):
But there's a lot of you know, there's you know,
like I believe I believe Chris Hipkins at his word
regarding that he has got one tax and that's the
capital gains tax, which I don't believe goes far enough.
And I own more than one property and some of
it's a rule real uh yeah, rural and some of

(45:37):
it the property I own as a rule rural property.
And yeah, I believe that he is true to his words.
But you know, this country, we're not going to you know,
we hear all the stories. You can't tax your way
to prosperity. A country can't do that. Yeah, yeah, I

(45:59):
agree with that, but there's got to be a bit
of fairness. And you know, I heard what you said
earlier on about the welfare and that. But competent it's
not just about an income. It's the wealth that they
that they get through business et cetera, that they there.

(46:20):
Their taxes is very minimal compared to a worker who
pays who pays at least nineteen percent on every single
the lowest paid worker pays nineteen percent on every single
dollar they earn.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
Well, they get, they get, They get a bunch of
stuff back though as well, don't they les?

Speaker 23 (46:37):
Yeah, and so they should because how could you live
on it? I mean, how could you? How could you
raise a family? And put a roof over their head.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
But when you talk about that, you talk about the
businesses less. So the businesses are the things that are
employing the people. So if you've got, if you've got
a situation where you are, for example, the two point
five percent and your wealth tax that the Greens are
proposing on on on net wealth, I mean, that's that's taxing. Yeah,

(47:04):
that shouldn't be on net wealth. That should obviously be
on profits, right, they should be on earth.

Speaker 7 (47:08):
Stupid, that's stupid.

Speaker 23 (47:09):
But you know, going back, going back to when young
Sam Morgan sold Trade Me and he said himself publicly
that this is ridiculous. I've got seven eight hundred million
and I don't have to pa a cent in tax. Yeah,
now that is the sort of wealth that is not
being taxed.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
But would you say that. But Trade Me has created
something pretty special in New Zealand. I mean it's been
sold and all that kind of stuff. So that you've
got we've got to celebrate people creating businesses and employing
people and being.

Speaker 23 (47:43):
Successfully exactly we need them, we you know, we you know,
that's the capital gains tax. You know, if I buy
a property, I make one hundred grand on it, sell
it five years later and I'm going to pay twenty
eight percent on it. I'll be happy, mate, because I've
made money.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
Do you think they're just on their policy though, Liz?

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Do you think it's half asked that they've done that
to try and dilute it because they know in some
quarters it's unpopular. But if you're going to do it properly,
it's got to be on everything, including the family home.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
And you know this idea of of then handing out
three three visits GP visits per year.

Speaker 23 (48:14):
You only say that to scare people off.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
No way, why would you Why would you go full
hog though, because then it equalizes the whole.

Speaker 23 (48:21):
System and everything other than the family home.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
But then you're opening up loopholes.

Speaker 23 (48:25):
Let's oh, no you're not. But there's ways around, there's
ways around, there's ways around doing that.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
Do you see let's just before we go on from that,
let's just we'll get to your point of this, but
just before you go on, do you think that the
capital gains tax that that labor is You know they're
targeted simple capital gains tax, but do so do you
think that when you look at it right now, that
that covers everything that they're promising at this point going

(48:53):
into the election, considering especially that where house prices are
at right now in terms they're not well.

Speaker 23 (48:57):
I think I think they'll they'll be finding out or
they're finding out the way things are going. We're in
a we're in a we're in the dol drums and
in the property market at the mome. But it won't
be like that forever. But they are going to struggle
to raise the revenue. That's why I'm saying that they
should have a proper capital gains tax, not on the
family home. That's only scared tactics to put that put

(49:20):
Joe blow voter out there, the average worker out there
who owns, who most only only owns one property, that's
to scare them off.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
Do you do you think labor Do you think labor
are promising to do enough to cut back before they tax,
because they seem to. We've got in the situation now
right and we're we're borroing at the moment to pay debt, right,
and we're borrowing main just every every every week, we're
borrowing just to keep things going right. So they're they're
they're they've got this targeted capital gains tax that doesn't

(49:51):
seem to cover everything. Maybe they'll extend it like you
would like them to do lez, but they're not saying
they'll do that. So are you are you happy with?
Are you happy for them to borrow more to cover
what they're promising when they come back?

Speaker 23 (50:03):
Well, while they might have to, because Nashville are going
to how a national gunn do it? What are they
what are they going to do other than borrow? They've borrowed,
now borrowed massively since the election. They borrowed, They borrowed.
And the tax cut state in the first nine months
to tax the tax cuts went over over one billion

(50:25):
dollars more than they predicted right from the start. They
should never they should never have brought those tax cuts.
And for the for the landlords, which I am one
of them, for the landlords, and the tobacco companies.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
On the tobacco company, we all know that that We
all know that tobacco company one isn't a real one.
You've got you can't mention that one. We know that
that wasn't what was really going on there was it.
It was on a particular product around trying to get
people smoking less. That that one's a tricky one when
people say that we know that wasn't a tax cut.

Speaker 23 (50:56):
No no, no, no, no, no no. And also the
tax guy in there, You've got a guy in that
party that was a lobbyist for the tobacco industry, because.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Well, why didn't they do anything to If that's the case,
how come they haven't done anything at all to help
the tobacco industry. In fact, have done as much as
they can to shut down their abilities to or.

Speaker 23 (51:17):
They gave them pretty a pretty good tax break.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
But you know why that has come on be honestly,
is you know the truth about that?

Speaker 23 (51:22):
Don't you Guys need to be honest. You drive, you
drive this sort of narrative all the time.

Speaker 24 (51:27):
But you know, and I've never.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Talked about it. I've never talked I've never talked about
the tobacco thing before in the show ever.

Speaker 23 (51:34):
But I just know that, Well, you've had other people
bring it up.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
What are the shows on?

Speaker 23 (51:41):
No, you've had other people bring up with you in
the past since you've been doing the show about the
about the tax breaks on tobacco and the landlords on.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
The landlords yet and the landlords absolutely, but I mean
that's but I mean you can't have. But but the
tax backs and the landlords is also a shimmy. I mean,
why why would why would landlords be treated any different
for any other business? There's expenses and running a business.
You shouldn't be taxed on those that. That would be
where the system would never.

Speaker 23 (52:07):
Work because it was designed. It was designed to the
property developers who dig it of gear and the and
the and they were buying up or the or the
the houses. The first home buyers weren't weren't getting a
shower at.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
It, but they are now that the first home buyers
are in there now and rents are going down. So
you've got to say that.

Speaker 23 (52:29):
It has no why rent for going down because so
many people that were renting that lost their jobs have
gone to Australia.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
Oh well, that's that's an interesting theory. Is probably there's
probably something in there. There's probably something, but least we've
got we've got to go to their break. So just
quickly you say your last thing before I go.

Speaker 23 (52:50):
Labor governments, the previous two have have produced many surpluses.
Bill English had nine years and he returned no surpluses.
And this government definitely won't have any surpluses.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
What do you think about the expenditure of the last
labor govern Liz, are you happy with that?

Speaker 23 (53:10):
Well, if they hadn't had the pandemic, they did produce
two surpluses before the pandemic.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
That was that was Helling Clark. But the thirty billion
dollars of unrelated COVID spending.

Speaker 23 (53:23):
Brent Robinson did.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
Hey, thank you so much for you call. Liz, really
appreciate it. Pashion up mate, thank you very much. Right,
it is twenty one past two, back in the mow.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
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Speaker 4 (53:39):
Be twenty three pas too. So we'll get to a
few texts. Was were a little bit behind after that
great chat with Liz.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
What a good man. But man, oh man, the text
machine is blowing up. This one says Liz for Prime Minister.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
This one says Lez, sorry mate, you were a lefty loser.
This one says I don't know if Liz has two properties.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
But it was a great chat. Nonetheless, there was no
tax cut for landlords. A tax anomally that was unique
to rentals was removed. That never should have been in
place in the first place. Interest deductively didn't apply to
property developers and new builds. Yeah, so I guess we're
getting slightly off topic here, But the point I was
trying to make was that the Greens have been the

(54:21):
worst negotiators in m MP. I mean, New Zealand First
clearly the best, yep, and the Greens clearly the worst.
As they have they have never been a formal coalition
partner no matter how many votes they get, right, So
isn't there a chance that they will say to labor
And I get was it Liz that was saying basically,
they sure they don't like ACT and New Zealand First

(54:44):
and National at all, and Labor is a guess banking
on them going yeah, exactly what you say, tied a
lesser of two evils. But you know, Labor need the
Greens to get in as much as much as the
Green as Greens need Labor to get in. Yeah. So
you know, I could imagine one day the Greens just going,
you know, just being a bit tougher in the negotiations

(55:05):
and saying, look, we're willing to walk away. Yep, you
got if you if you want to get what you want,
be willing to walk away exactly in the inmotiation what
I won, and maybe at some point the Greens will go.
Look just MMP has been going since nineteen ninety six
and since we left the Alliance we haven't had anything basically, Yeah,
we've basically been left out. We had James Shaw and
Julian Genter, they got a little bit of something something

(55:25):
in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
But now our minister's but outside of cabinet. Yeah, I
don't think that's an unrealistic scenario. And the Green Party
has changed drastically since the days of James Saw.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
They're way more rampant now. They are they're ideological, yep,
you know they're doomsdays. They're basically they're basically doomsday preperce. Yeah,
they'll burn the whole thing down, maybe maybe think just
to get what they want. Yeah, do you think that's
a realistic scenario? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
an number to callers. Twenty six paths two.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
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Speaker 1 (55:55):
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Speaker 25 (56:08):
Twenty eight pass to get a job. You know, how's
it going very well? Which you well, you can see
what Labour's doing here there. The head of pr Or
comm has bead you need to create a small target
for the government for the government to attack you on
because every election year National all the right they attack

(56:31):
Labor for the text, but they do a campaign around texts.
But I think Labors shut it up in the foot
a bit here by doing it because it's a bit simplific,
because essentially what they're saying is that they're going to
increase found debts to pay their policies, which means not

(56:51):
tax not taxing you anymore, but we'll text your kids
or we'll text you later in life to cover the
text that we should have collected to pay for our
policy plus interest on the desks. And so now National
will just pivots who attack them on increasing debt to
pay for their policy. But they're now going to highlight

(57:14):
the infighting and the division between the left blocks because
the Greens have come out and said that they'll fight
nail and to keep their tax policies. So I think
they've shot themselves in the foot of bit here.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
Yeah, just on that borrowing though, as Liz pointed out,
National have been borrowing up a storm as well, borrowing
just to pay for the day to day even borrowing,
borrowing to pay interest on debt. So it's not only
Labor that are doing the borrowing thing.

Speaker 26 (57:44):
No, but they will be borrowing more generally, Labor spends more, right,
it's about more government intervention and spending, which means they
need to tax more or they need to borrow more
than National do. I mean National make the argument that
the massive ballooning of crown debt happened under Labor and
they basically inherited it and now now trying to pay

(58:04):
it down. But I mean when you look at the
when you look at the number of civil servants or
ending on government government departments, a balloon under Labor and
National and the right block has cut it down a
bat but not much.

Speaker 27 (58:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
I mean that one they kind of came in and
that's what they were going to do, and then they
didn't didn't really do it. This what do they say now?
This is there's another eight thousand, seven hundred that they
want to want to start cutting. I mean quite is
that enough to stop us having to borrow? I mean
what other things do you think naturally are doing to

(58:39):
stop our borrowing?

Speaker 26 (58:43):
Yeah, I mean I just don't know enough about that.
But I watched a text based union video which is
like illuminating, and it showed by like hardboard boxes, how
much how big the government was the labor and then
how much a ballooned to during the COVID era, and
then how much the right block is cut it down by,

(59:04):
and it's like it's a few boxes disappeared, but overall
it's still massive compared to what it was to be
twenty twenty. So I just imagine it's difficult to go
in and just start laughing and burning as if thing
departments and civil servants that have worked there.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean it's always it's always
horrible when people lose their jobs. Yeah, and you know,
especially people with families.

Speaker 28 (59:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (59:32):
The main point here is I'm a fan of the
Roger Screws and the British philosopher political philosopher, and he
talks about disinheriting the unborn or our children, and so
I think in this situation, day by borrowing more found
debt to pay for things for us today, we are

(59:56):
disinheriting our children.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
I think about this all the time, because I've got kids.
I think about the City of rail line. Someone's got
to pay for it. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm not gonna
be around forever. But you know, those kids going to
look back one day and just go, what am I
doing here? You know all these crazy lazy decisions that
were made back in the day, and the nice to
haves they got, and now, just what are we doing?

(01:00:21):
You know, you've loved us with us? Yeah, I mean,
I mean the idea is that prosperity would would grow,
and that that we get prosperity to the point where
we're we can pay back some of that stuff and
the Valley of New Zealand dollar rise, all these kind
of things, right, But that's it. But we're not really
doing anything that happened, are we.

Speaker 26 (01:00:40):
Well. Roger Gruden talks about the ideology of the left
is about social contract. It's about okay, you get yours
as long as I can get mine. That's the kind
of underlying funda can all philosophy underneath it. But it's
actually a more accurate version of how humans are wired
is the sense of love and juicy. So we're born

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into a society that's developed, public that's developed women, Paul's schools,
education systems, and these institutions for a flourishing and we
they're handed to her and love from previous generations, and
we build on those and make them better as a
gift of love and duty to those that follow U.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yeah, John nicely said, mate, thank you very much for
giving us a call.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
What do you say?

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Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Thank you very much, Raylan's.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
We are talking about the Labour Party ruling out any
of their coalition party are parties getting their text policies
across line?

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Why don't you get rid of all public servants and
see how the government runs as a public servant. We
get sick of all this bashing all the time. I
think no one was bashing public servants there where they
think they were just saying there was a massive increase
in the amount of public servants under labor and we
were just talking about ways that National is saying that
they because nationally borrowing a lot of money as well. Yes,
And one of the ways they were saying that they

(01:03:28):
were going to cut expenditure was to cut the core
public service to fifty five thousand by July twenty twenty nine.
So that's eighty seven hundred fewer. I would say that's
horrible that people have to lose their jobs or do
lose their jobs in whatever situation. But there will be
a maximum. I mean, no one's saying zero public servants. No,

(01:03:51):
but there'll be the correct amount of public servants to
make sure that everything is run efficiently. There's just no
doubt you can have too many like anything. Any often
companies go we've got too many people, yeah, and we
can't afford it. It's just the way the world works. Right.
That was their argument, right, that they saw in efficiencies
within the public service because it had ballooned, and that

(01:04:12):
was what was going to bring down some of the
spending that they thought was unnecessary. So that was their
strategy but some people disagreed, particularly if in the public service.
You may not like that, but that was part of
their plan to get New Zealand back on track, so
to speak.

Speaker 22 (01:04:25):
Terry your view, Yeah, I just don't trust the guys
staring form. When Labor got in, you know, they talked
about new jobs, just that and the other. And the
next minute we're getting co governments and I was thinking,
what's co government?

Speaker 9 (01:04:43):
What's just what's that?

Speaker 22 (01:04:43):
And then the whole thing was flopped and people forget
so quickly, and we went down a rabbit hole which
we should have never gone down, and we were borrowing
money and it was just people were getting hired on
and they were on race, you know. And this is
pretty much the same government again. I mean no, you

(01:05:05):
know one thing that gets me about the whole elect
it's all about Texas. Why is it about creating opportunity
for the young. We should be creating opportunity in New Zealand.
If we're talking about Texas and it's taking more money
on people, but there's no opportunity in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
What do you think is the best way to create
opportunities for the young?

Speaker 22 (01:05:21):
Tiering, Well, that the only way I've heard and I
don't know. I mean, I like him, but I don't
rate them. But as once it's talking about mining and
gold and all that, and they did they hit to
survey on Finland and I was like, No, Norway in
New Zealand, same population and the way they do. I've
got their own oil and I've got their own power companies.
I mean we're just giving them away. I mean, I mean,

(01:05:46):
I don't mean, I'm not trying to. If you want
to come in the air and start something like the
mining down down South Island, you're going to pay Eelis.
They've paid it one foot one hundred and eighty seven
million dollars just to come in and do something. I mean,
just going to stop that. You know, you've got to
create opportunity, you've got to create jobs and through and
I think through capitalism really are capitalism of John. No

(01:06:09):
one was living in motels, puntry was pumping. I know
it's a different I know it's a different economical climate,
but but things are better. And the problem is that
we are living in a downturn economically right throughout the world.
But you've got to create money inside your country, your wealth.
You've got to create wealth that creates jobs, and we're

(01:06:30):
going to be looking at those things like mining oil.
Guess we've got to be looking at those things, you know.
And all we're talking about is texting people. I think
the people had enough.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
See it's like a flavor.

Speaker 19 (01:06:41):
Gave a flavor gat.

Speaker 22 (01:06:43):
I'm not the only one I'm taking up. I'm gone, aussy,
I'm saying you a flavor again. I'm gone.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Do you think national coalitions on the right track theory?
They've got a bit of criticism.

Speaker 22 (01:06:54):
I think lucks and excuse me my sense a bit
of a pussy. He needs he needs to draw a
line in the sand, and he needs he needs to
get more active. I mean, I don't think that Indian
trade deal was a good one, but it's the start.
But they have done a lot of good. They've done
the basics, like education, police, when crimes got better. I mean,

(01:07:16):
these are things that we should just take for granted.
We shouldn't be having this conversation, but you know, and
I think Boshop is doing really good. I don't think
councils should be allowed to go anywhere near a big
project and run it. They should say, hey, this is
what we want to do. But I think we should
we should have a ministry of the government who goes

(01:07:38):
out and gets the quotes because they're wanting to water
you know again on on Mountington handbaks and put on
one egon. Now I've got a forestanding business. It's honey,
you need work at the moment because if it's got
the handbrake on again, you know, And that's what happens
in one again every time something happens, and every time
the government wantington, the handbrake goes on and one of
things doing it hard at the moment, doing it really

(01:07:59):
really hard. So it's the whole country. But you know,
we've got to create things. We can't tax people any more.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
So you go back, you go to the Perry, you
go back of the John Key government though, but they
borrowed heavily, and you say, you know, it's different times,
but back then we're always getting hat with big problems,
aren't Because there was the GFC and then there was
a christ earthquake in John Key's time. So it seems
like New Zealand did a.

Speaker 22 (01:08:23):
Lot of work, created a lot of work to say,
and to be honest, apart from those people dying, which
you know, and I don't need to be rude on this,
but that earthquake was probably the best thing for Christchurch
because it just have you been down to christ Church?

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Yep.

Speaker 22 (01:08:39):
The paste pumps on my doors down there, point for
Union taste pumps. It's going off.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
M hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Yeah, it's rejuvenated the city, that's for sure. I mean,
it was a lot of trauma and a long time
to get there. But you're not wrong, Terry. It's rejuvenated
christ Church. So yeah, I think that's a fair point.

Speaker 22 (01:08:57):
I'm taking earthquakes. I'm not saying for the earthquakes, but
but but we need This is what gives me about
the rest of the world. You've got England, Europe, America.
It's all chaos, the overstays staying there. Everyone's fighting down here.
You should go surfing a TARNECKI and be up the

(01:09:17):
mountain in an hour. We'll fanish the island.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
Yeah, we've got good.

Speaker 22 (01:09:22):
First, We've got good, good, good farce. We've got good farming.
We should be pumping New Zeland, you know, we should
be bringing it up still, keeping it clean, pumping our
own oil. You know, why are we traveling thousands of
miles away to get oil when we couldn't have it
here and measure whatever we've found oil with you.

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
Yeah, you gave terry Americans draw baby drill fighting opportunities,
get some get get some money pumping into the system.
We've got it all here. Beautiful country, He's not wrong
about that. It's a beautiful country. Yeah, it's a beautiful country.
This stuff under the ground. Yeah. Is that how we
get ourselves out of the problem rather than increasing Texas?
What do you reckon? Dig it up?

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Drill, baby drill. It is sixteen to three, back in
a few moments your home.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Of afternoon talk Man Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call
eight hundred eighty ten eighty you talk, said, be.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Very good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
It is thirteen to two three, and we have been
talking about the Labor Party ruling out any of the
text policies of their coalition partners.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
Getting across the line.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
Is that realistic in your view, knowing what the polling
is showing for the Labor Party and others when it
comes to negotiations.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
Tiler my favorite thing that happens on the shows because
we get thousands and thousands of texts and half of
them are accusing us of being I don't want to
always accuse us collectively, but half of us accused us
of being lefty communists, yes, and the other half accused
us of being right wing shells. That's right, yeah, because
if you push back in anyway, people are so heated

(01:10:49):
about things now they don't want People don't necessarily like
to hear something they don't agree with, right, Yeah, And
we like to ask questions of people, yeah, and push
back on things. But I love when two texts come
in a road that it's diametrically opposed, responding to the
exact same thing. Yes, so you lefty IF's always accusing
National of borrowing and spending, They are borrowing, but much

(01:11:10):
less than that. Labor Party shills, right, And then the
following says, this is the text right after why don't
you sign up to National and run? We can see
who you're campaigning for. So that's two people that are
the exact same phone call and and had the diametric responses.
That is the environment we're in.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
It's very tribal out there, but I enjoy that very much. John,
How are you made good?

Speaker 28 (01:11:36):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
How are you God? What's your view?

Speaker 22 (01:11:39):
Well?

Speaker 29 (01:11:40):
If they're not going to concede on the texts? What
are they going to concede on? And that's what excuse me?

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
Oh yeah, right, that's a good point.

Speaker 29 (01:11:48):
They sell us all down the road. That's not them
who's actually conceding things at sack m and you know,
and they hurt the average map, the average weeking past map.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Well that's the big question, isn't joy many of you
got thoughts on what they potentially could concede on.

Speaker 29 (01:12:05):
Mate, Who would know? And I'll be honest, I don't
try because he hasn't been before. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
and that's worries me.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
You know what, Johnny, you know, whether this is a
realistic scenario that the Greens may decide to walk away
and say they can't do a deal unless it's their
text policy, that's part of that discussion. But if it
is in that situation and Labor stays true to their
word to me, that would show immense integrity and then
you could be in a position that we all go
back to the polls if nobody can form a government.

(01:12:43):
But whether that's a realistic scenario, I don't know. But
if that ever happens, then I will give points to
Chris Sipkins for having the integrity to, you know, to
stick with what he said today.

Speaker 29 (01:12:53):
Oh, yeah, that he does.

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
And you don't buy that. No, I'm just looking at
a bunch of Green policies there, John, Well, well, I'm not.

Speaker 29 (01:13:07):
Anti Green as such, but I look at their people
in Parliament and they're not people I can relate to
the Married Party, which I used to belong to. I
left because of Tamahery and what is Yeah, and you know,

(01:13:30):
so I left the Mary Party and I've gone back
to the general electure electorate. But yeah, I look at
that Green Party and I look at the people and.

Speaker 30 (01:13:43):
Are they the.

Speaker 29 (01:13:43):
Type of people that the average New Zealanders hang out with?
I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
Good on you, John, thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
I think you know, when you look at the Green Party,
it has changed a long time since Jeanette fitz Simon's
and certainly since James Shure. So do you agree with
John that when most people look at the Green Party,
it is not representative of who they are anymore?

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
Or one hundred and eighty ten eighties a number children's policy.
I'm on the Green. Our policy helps all children to
experience a joyful childhood of and the best possible start
to life?

Speaker 9 (01:14:14):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
How do they do that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
I don't know, but this sounds good to start sounds
very good. It sounds like a great policy. I mean,
the devil's on the detail like that. If their policies
help all children to experience a joyful childhood and the
best possible start to life, I mean that's a big call.
All children experiencing a joyful childhood, all of them, all
of them. I like happy children. So we'll see how
they can do that. Interesting policy, right, keep those teachs

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Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
TALKSB News Talks. There be it is six two three.
Couple of texts here. This one says get a Matt
and Tyler I agree that it's more likely than not
that the Greens hate Nestal and act too much to
walk away from a chance to keep.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Them out of office. This one says get a guy.
Labor will do whatever they can to try to get
back into power, even if that means doing a deal
with the Greens later down. You think that you'd be
strong enough, Tyler Adams, if you had an opportunity just
to flick things just a little bit and become prime

(01:15:25):
minister or morally stick with the course of the thing
that you see it in their campaign without any slights
of words, and head off into political obscurity. I think
lots of people that temptation of the ball bulls of power. Yeah,
as Winston Peter's once called them, must be so big, right,
you're going into negotiations. You say, look if I just

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move this here and do that here, I mean, look
at New Zealand first in twenty seventeen. Yep, then you
get all this. You get to be in government.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Or not, lilone, get to be the prime minister. Cris
Upkoms has dreamed about it since he was a little boy.
You said that on record. He's been prime minister, so
he's got a taste of it. He has got a
taste of it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
He had a taste of it. Yeah, exactly. I don't
know if I'd be bigger though, not to just move
things around, take the hits, become the prime Minister Sexas
is national have failed this Texas, says Green Party economic terrorists. Okay,
so that's an electionaire, Yeah, I mean I can honestly see. Look,

(01:16:25):
so after a powerful two hours of chat about whether
Labor would take on any of its potential coalition partner's
tax policies or stick to their capital gains tax, I
can honestly say that we're no closer to the truth, tire.
But it has been a fun and pish, passionate chat,
isn't it has? And in the end, if you want
the Greens to have more, say, vote for them. If
you want Labor to have more, say, vote for them

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and their coalition agreements. If you don't want either of
them to have any say at all, then vote the
other way. Isn't it great living in a democracy? It's
nicely said Matt Eith nicely said on the fence.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well I like those sticks to wrap
it all up after so many teaks saying you guys
are lefty loonies or right wing shells that's run from
winder moves. Quite nice, you guys are pretty even headed man.
Good on your widow move.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
Thanks. Yeah, what a great text, all right, I'm just
gonna have a shower. Wow, what are two hours clean off?
Some of the abuse of we're getting in the text machine.

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Gave us a call as well. Really enjoyed those two hours,
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Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
Hey yeah, Tyler, Yes, I saw some footage of a
horrific animal battle. Okay, horrible violent animal on animal assault. Right,
this sounds good. I'll play the audio here. Listen to
this cheapest What the hell is that?

Speaker 16 (01:21:33):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
What kind of terrifying beasts are involved in this. Wow today?
Is that two tigers? It sounds like Kimodo dragons. Wow?
What it actually is, there's two kiwi's going into here

(01:21:58):
Lo Keewee's. Two beautiful, cuddly brown kiwee's, you know, looking
like all kwe's kiwis do like a couple of dudes
with their pants hanging down the back, baggy pants out
the back. It's good luck they're undie showing going here
to hear with each other. That is Bruce, audience. I
did not know because I'm a hugely patriotic New Zealander

(01:22:21):
and I did not know. I just thought put kiwis
in oar. And last time I saw some kiwis, I
went to this bird sanctuary at the bottom of the
Gondola and Queenstown, and you go and look at the
birds under infrared, so they're running around, they think it's
night and you basically end up putting your hand over
your heart because you feel so proud of them because
they're such beautiful, spiritual creatures. Yes, I didn't realize that

(01:22:43):
they were violent criminals that beat the living crap out
of each other given a chance. I didn't know this
is this is a deep state secret that's been being
kept kept from us. And this is a daytime assault
as well. One Kiwi's just run at the other one
and they're quite good fighters.

Speaker 31 (01:23:01):
I'm surprised that any predators can you can do them in.
I imagine they get the beacon there. The beak is a
powerful weapon. Do they get a little bit of kangaroo
with the with the clause?

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
It's the clause. It's the clause that are doing a
lot of the work. How do they get that flexibility
with no wings? Well, they kind of just have to
jump and then kick, or they kick with one leg.
They sort of use the beak to you know, sort
of wedge in a vice like grip around the other
kiwi's neck and they go at them with the with

(01:23:37):
the with the claws. It's very oppressive, very impressive. So
did one of the kiwis come off worse or better? Well,
by the end of the video they both seem okay.
They're very evenly matched. They'd be in the same weight category,
I think. But you know, our while our birds, our
native birds, they do surprise you, don't they. There's a

(01:23:58):
couple of aggressive bird species out there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
Yeah, So oh one hundred and eighty t and A
tell us about the crazy wildlife experiences you've had in
New Zealand. If you've seen kiwi go at each other
like that, love to hear from you.

Speaker 28 (01:24:10):
I E.

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty or nine two nine
two text number. Yeah, I mean what other crazy activities
to birds get up to? Reckn poo kicko go pretty hard? Yeah,
pookiko get pretty aggressive poo kicko. Just a visiting Australian
Just a swampion, Yeah, I think that's what the Aussies
call it, a swampion. Yeah. I think they can go.

(01:24:30):
I mean they're quite gangly, so they've got the league advantage.
Taka hae doesn't do much does It is just a
bit of a fat poo kicko that doesn't really get
up to anything as exciting as those kiwis fighting.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Yeah, wakers can be a bit of a bruise as well.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
What is the crazy craziest wildlife experience you've seen in
New Zealand?

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
Tell Us? Has anyone seen a car car do anything interesting?
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Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
So two key we have been filmed kicking and battering
each other in a rear wildlife encounter. Their experts say,
is a sign of conservation success.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
That is not too Tasmanian devils going at each other. No,
it's sound like a dinosaur. It's not like a kmodo dragon.
So the question put to you is what is the
craziest wildlife experience or encounter you've seen?

Speaker 32 (01:25:19):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Now I see some
stuff about the pool kickle for the six says the
pool kick or is not Australian mate. We have them
all over our lawn. I'm looking at them right now.
They are very kei we wow. I don't know. I
think they're an import. The pool kicko is native to
New Zealand, but it's not endemic. That's the point. It
arrived in New Zealand's on its own. It flew here

(01:25:41):
about a thousand years ago, so it wasn't brought by humans.
But the same, the exact same bird is found in
Australia right and other parts of the Pacific. Okay, good,
But it's also known as the Australasian swamp in right, right,
So I don't want to. I mean, I've got a
lot of time for perkickers. Well, not actually that much time.
I don't really know them. What if they taste good? No,
you don't reckon too much time in the swamp. Yeah,

(01:26:02):
tastes terrible. Chris, you've been involved in some severage animal battles.

Speaker 33 (01:26:08):
No, No, I'm not a chick fighter. I was listening
to the Kiwi's fighting. I saw this online the other day, yeah,
and I was like, yes, the territory also, that's their thing.
But there's another very viral radio video going on right now.

(01:26:29):
It's a goose versus a sheep from down.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
South, right, that's something I want to see.

Speaker 33 (01:26:37):
Yeah, So this goose beats the sheep in a fight,
and the farmer's broadcast and goes, look at these twa crack.
It's a beautiful south on.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
I mean see, I can totally believe this because we
had these sheep on our farm that weren't they were
there were There was this flock of black sheep. They
were they were sort of outside of their whole situation.
They were just kept for fun.

Speaker 6 (01:26:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
And they got and they got ruled by a goose
for a while, a goose took over and was and
was there was ruling.

Speaker 33 (01:27:06):
Them yep, And like when you guys see this video
and other listeners may have a quick clock at this
on the sideline. It's really funny because the sheep trips
up and just leaps hands in the air and he goes, right,
you won this one. It's it's quite funny.

Speaker 5 (01:27:23):
He rolls them, he rolls them over, he takes him down.

Speaker 33 (01:27:28):
Ko ko you way have seen the hait that's all
I wanted to sp Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
That is glorious. Oh you're going to go see this video.
So the sheep starts off that that goose gets that
sheep on its back. Yeah, and the sheep was going
I mean he started off with the head butt and
then the goose said noth of that, grabbed him by
the neck, rolls my fa. The sheep gives up and
he says, I'm done. He can't get back up. He's
just wlagging his little back legs in the year saying
I said that goose has completely and utterly humiliated that sheep.

(01:27:59):
You can't go and you can't come back from that.
As a mammal taken down by a bird, that's probably
one fifth size at most. That sheep's going to have
to leave that far. That is embarrassing. Well done, that goose.
I tell you what. When when we had that goose
that was rolling over our pack of strange black sheep
on this weird top paddock the we got when they

(01:28:23):
went through the sharing, the goose didn't know what to do.
They came back and the goose didn't recognize them. He
had to dominate them again, he had to take charges.
That's king sheep. There's a new cover. Yeah, Andrea, you
got a Tucker Hay story.

Speaker 28 (01:28:35):
Yeah, my daughter we went up from me on a field,
a school field trip. She was five and sitting down
there having a lunch and the taker Hay came up,
the male one and ran off was their school lunch
plastic bag and all. Yeah, those little critics can moves.

(01:28:56):
But your last caller was right, those bloody gooese makes
the best guard animal.

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
Yeah, they don't back down. They're terrifying, No.

Speaker 28 (01:29:04):
They don't.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
And peacocks, oh yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:29:08):
Yeah, they're pretty vicious too.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
Yeah right over a p hen Yeah, yeah, we also
have we all said a peacock that just arrived on
the farm for a while was there for about a
year and then disappeared. That they can they can make
their way around. But how fast was the taker?

Speaker 11 (01:29:24):
Hey, Andrea well with a five year old took off.

Speaker 28 (01:29:32):
Trying to set your lunch.

Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
Did it successfully open the plastic bag?

Speaker 28 (01:29:39):
No, but thank god, but it was a bit of
a scare for a little five year old kid.

Speaker 5 (01:29:45):
Yeah, that attack will be quite big for a five
year old kid.

Speaker 24 (01:29:50):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
Yeah. Yeah, anyway, thank you too. If you call Andrew
cheeky buggers, tell you what swan's are right up there
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
And it reminds me of have you heard about Aragorn
the swan, the white swan and Nelson massive menace. So
it used to have a crack in anybody who can
too close to the Ma Thai River talk out.

Speaker 5 (01:30:10):
A couple of kayaks. Kayakers almost drounded white Beata. There
was just a woman white baiting on the river and
Aragorn jumped on top of her and pushed her into
the river and almost drowned to her and they had
to relocate Aragorn. They took him away. It was too
much of a minute, so they took them away to
some sort of animal park and then he passed away.
I can't believe that because I sometimes run round Western
Springs and the swans there are aggressive. They'll go yeah

(01:30:35):
they you know you hear that dinosaurs were basically birds, right, Yeah,
when you see an angry swan, you know you times
that by about twenty and you're probably similar to being
attacked by a Tyrannosaurus ricks. Yeah, spot on. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
or kick or do taste great of marinated and see
it there you go, give it a cray. I think
you'd be allowed to eat, wouldn't you. They're not protected.

(01:30:57):
There's hundreds of them, yeah, right back in a moment
it is twenty two past ra I mean millions, I
mean hundreds is not Give it a go, there's only
hundreds of them. Don't eat that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk s'b.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
Twenty four past three.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
What is the craziest wildlife in county You've had in
New Zealand or scene, particularly when it comes to birds.
A lot of aggressive birds out there, apparently.

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
Yeah. A few people to text through check out the
wicker versus stoat video West Coast. All right, oh my goodness,
so this is a battle on the West coast. You've
got a week at real, a week are really going
a stoat? That's one back for the good guys, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:31:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
Absolutely on that week a hater stoat, that stoat will
be looking to kill the bloody there to eat the wickers.
Solat would have gone for the wake to be honest. Yeah,
no that that look at that that's a hero weicka
right there. A weeker can mess up a stoat. We
need to train more of the wikers to take out
the snow learning a lot about it because we just
sort of have this idea in our heads that our

(01:32:06):
birds are lame and weak and it's their ability to
fly and are just getting absolutely brutalized by predators. Not
a threat to anyone. Next thing, you know, we've got
Kiwi's fighting like their Commodo dragons. We've got Tucker Hayes
stealing lunches, and we've got a weaker messing up a
state killer birds. Give them a taste of Kiwi. Steve,
welcome to show.

Speaker 27 (01:32:27):
Hey, guys, I got a couple of funny ones. Forty
years ago when I had a university job. I did
some work for Department Conservation on Lake Tartawera out of
Roder and we used to take walking groups around some
of the tracks, the beautiful tracks there. And on a
thirty plus day one day, we're walking up and I
was in the front of this group walking down the
track and I come up over the brow of a

(01:32:48):
hill and there's a wallaby about fifty yards in front
of me. You know, this thing sort of spooked and
it ran straight into a tree, and I'm thinking, oh
my god, what's happened. So the pood edy trees have
berries on them and they ripen. They they can be
alcoholic because they obviously marinate in the sun. But I
also believes I've got to potentially they drug them as well.

(01:33:10):
So this thing is lying on the ground and I'm
I sort of put my hand outsay, hold on here.
I don't know what's going on. Never seen a.

Speaker 7 (01:33:16):
Wallaby do this, So we go go up closer.

Speaker 27 (01:33:19):
It gets up and runs into another tree and it
basically knocks itself out. So I've got all these parents
and kids and I'm thinking, geez, we had to partner
the conservation. I've got to do something about this. So
we got some water out, woke the thing up, and
it staggered off into the bush. So that was a
pretty bizarre one. But the one about swans. When I
was young at that Roader of boys high we used

(01:33:40):
to go out with my mates on bikes out to
the lakes. Were rode away one day and we're mucking
around in the water and being silly seventeen year olds,
and the swans had some babies and we were sort
of we were mucking around with them, and the mothers
or the swans were fending us off.

Speaker 22 (01:33:57):
You know.

Speaker 27 (01:33:58):
One I mate said, oh we should bloody will teach
these swans me And so we dived under the water,
grabbed them by their feet, went to pull them under
the water. Well, boy, we learned our lessons. They lutely
absolutely pounded our heads our hands.

Speaker 7 (01:34:14):
There.

Speaker 27 (01:34:16):
And they're big birds. Their their their feet are powerful,
but they're not scared to protect. And I mean, I
wouldn't recommend anybody does it. And the last one is
I live rually and we've got these hawks that are
very territorial in the summer, and I've got a miniature
snails and they in the early days when she's a
bit smaller. They dive down and I sort of thinking,

(01:34:38):
surely they're not going to attack a dog, And I said, well,
maybe they're looking to think, Jean, it's a big rabbit
or a big rabbit. But they get pretty close. The
fearless birds, and I imagine and you see them fighting
for their territory at times, and they'll they'll have a
go at any other bird flying past. They are absolutely
brutal with them.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Wow, imagine if I got your dog that have no
you know, no trouble and taking them off that they could.

Speaker 27 (01:35:05):
They eat the heirs. So I find the bones of heirs,
everything but their paws on the hairs and every other
part of the hair is completely stripped. So they're they're
very aggressive animals if you if you've got in the
wrong place.

Speaker 7 (01:35:19):
But yeah, a small dog. I wouldn't see why they
wouldn't go at them.

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
Would that would that be a card here there?

Speaker 27 (01:35:27):
Yeah, they're the smaller one. They're not big ones, the
smaller ones. But yeah, we don't get them. And I
don't see them in the winter, but in the summer,
I live up on the next to a big sheet station.
You'd see fifteen a day but they're all in their
little zones. They operate in quite territorial areas for their
hunting and stuff, and you'll see another one. I've got
quite extensive views. I can see them in the distance

(01:35:48):
or operating, but you very rarely see them together. I
don't know much about them. They're beautiful birds, I mean,
but the old wallabies, mate, I've never seen.

Speaker 7 (01:35:55):
Anything like it.

Speaker 27 (01:35:57):
I went, I went to my old man that night,
told me and he almost didn't believe me, but it
was just I've never seen a wallabie head butter tree going.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
It's a big day for that wall Yeah, the kendy
who gets pretty wasted as well, doesn't it? Untilies get wasted,
it does. Yeah, I think kidder do sometimes fall out
of the tree, right, yeah, right, of course. Sometimes they
struggle to get off the ground. They're eating berries. They
get pretty wasted, will full, they seem pretty sort of
out of it, and then they dive bomb. I mean,
I've had to dive out of the way before because

(01:36:31):
they nearly hit the ground trying to take off.

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
They've got a lot of hift kid Yeah. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that I'm going to
call the craziest wildlife in county you've had in New Zealand,
tell us about it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
Nineteen ninety two is the teach number as well. Bang
on past three.

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Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
Thank you very much, Roilate twenty six to four. So
here we go some footage of some Kiwis fighting terrifyingly
aggressive creatures for brutal It should be careful in the
white tacket. Eas tonight you get attacked by kiwi. They
don't let up. No straight footage. Look it up on

(01:38:25):
the inzid hero dot code in zaid. Hey guys, pookicko
can be eaten. Get a big pot, fill it with
water and a bit of salt. Put the pot on
the stove. When the water comes to a boil, placed
the plucked pukiko and a rock the same size as
the bird, and boil on high. When the rock is tender,
the pukicko is ready to eat. Great texts you had us.

(01:38:47):
Oh that was well written. Yeah, very very good. Sounds
very well written. Malcolm you've had an incident with a kaka. Yeah,
tell us what happened.

Speaker 19 (01:38:57):
Well, I think I find I've just been watching them.
I'm ope my dack. I'm an upper Mount Cook with
in the middle of the booth, and I've got about
fourteen twos and four regular cockos and two of them
pretty if you got me two minutes ago. They were

(01:39:17):
not having to go to each other. They were actually
during the opposite.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:39:22):
Sometimes I call them Kaka and Maco because they're really good,
because they'll come up on my deck, you know, on
the fence, and often they'll come up on you know,
my uh deck roof, and they're at their funniest when

(01:39:42):
they actually look at you upside down.

Speaker 7 (01:39:46):
And they don't speak obviously.

Speaker 15 (01:39:49):
But they just laugh.

Speaker 5 (01:39:52):
They like they laugh.

Speaker 7 (01:39:54):
Yeah, They're unbelievable.

Speaker 19 (01:39:57):
And they coexist with all.

Speaker 7 (01:39:59):
The other kids.

Speaker 19 (01:40:00):
There's four cocos regular, there's about fourteen two and they
all coexist. And this is in the middle or.

Speaker 7 (01:40:10):
A suburb.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
Wow, right, how good. So we're about we're about, say
you roughly up in Mount Cook Oh yeah, yeah, oh
how good?

Speaker 19 (01:40:20):
And they but what they'll do in the morning, and
it's always regular about nine o'clock. I'll hear this knock knock,
knock on the roof.

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
It's the cocka do they get on with Kia? Are
they friends with Kiah?

Speaker 19 (01:40:38):
No, no problems at all.

Speaker 5 (01:40:40):
The toes can get Have you ever seen toes get
a bit a bit a neebor aiding famously? You'll see it.

Speaker 19 (01:40:47):
I've never seen that on the beer. Yeah, well they
probably do, but I've never seen it. But the one
thing that the cock has wool. They can destroy trees.

Speaker 5 (01:41:01):
Yeah right, just what the back of them?

Speaker 7 (01:41:05):
Yeah, they get into the bar.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
But the bad bad cack, Yeah, bad COCKA a lot
of carco around Mount Cook. It sounds like good times
in Mount Cook. By the way, we need to cull
the coka. Are they good eating? My mum's dog, a
Maltese was picked up and dropped by a hawk. Oh
jim oh, keep those things coming through a nine two
nine two. Pigeons can be vicious. I work with a

(01:41:27):
pretty large gym chain in Auckland. Our group fitness room
has a beautiful sea through skylight above the room. During
one pilates class, the pigeon was on the skylight murdering
another pigeon. Jeepers it's the most awkward class ever. We'll
never forget that better plarates than yoga when you're in
the corpse post or something. It would really ruin the medative.
I mean, you do that as well at the end
of plades, don't you you do? Yeah, yeahsma thesma, yeah

(01:41:54):
somewhere tell me to take you out as in though,
but yeah, yeah, You've gone through all that hard work
and you're lying down for a rest and then there's
a pigeon murdering or another one on the skylight. It's
a lot to deal with. Bruce very well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
I've seen a few of these birds killing other birds before,
and the couple that come to mind were a weaken
that I got when I was a kid. They got
on the side of the old man's garden that he had,
and he had some sort of that garden clock over it,
and I couldn't get out this week. It got it
there and grabbed it by the neck and just shook

(01:42:30):
it till it died. And then I saw it eat it.
And then I saw the old blue herons. They sitting
in the trees in the park across the road from home,
and they catch wax eyes and swallowed the bloody things.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
Oh, the blue hearing is a sizeable bird, isn't it
for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Steads Yeah, very big, big ben. It's like a stalk
of that. But I've never expected it to be that's
sort of vicious. I thought they'd be eating little fish
and stuff like that and the works. Of course, I've
seen the hawks, but he killed it half a dozen
of their trucks once and when they had a wife
of what. But you'd expeact that from a hawk anyway,

(01:43:12):
because it's somebody sure a bird. Yeah, I've heard those.
I've never seen them, but I've heard those straw wing
clovers are pretty dangerous things. Everybody. All the birds are
scared them in because they have those study with blobs
that come out of their wing ups and they use
the in I've never seen one of them every day
yet though.

Speaker 5 (01:43:33):
So you I mean birds, I should say, like you
always think about birds and their beautiful song. But someone
was pointing out to me, you know, when you hear
a beautiful bird song, that's basically a lot of birds
yelling at each other to go away. Yeah, you know,
just a basically a bunch of the birds. Sounds nice,
but it's a bunch of birds abusing each other. Don't
come near me. What about we see a rosetta flying
around in New Zealand. I haven't seen a rosetta. Oh

(01:43:54):
they they They really show you the difference between Australian
and New Zealand birds. A bird, yeah when they're when
they're loose in New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (01:44:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:04):
Oh, it's like a little parrot. Yeah yeah, yeah, so
there's I don't know, they've got looser News Island. They're
all over the shop and they're so colorful and and
so but so much more intense, yes than a than
a you know, your average New Zealand berth.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
Because I didn't say, I don't know if you get
them down on the South Island. But when I came
up here and started so, I thought they'd got loose
out of Auckland zoo or something. But apparently the world everywhere,
so hell of a thing to see. And they kind
of fly together. You see, all of a sudden, these
Australian looking parrots just fly out of the bush.

Speaker 5 (01:44:34):
Yeah, oh man, And they'll they'll miss up native verts
because they're just they're just more vicious, because you know,
living in the world in Australia. Yes, you have to
be pretty tough. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. What's the craziest wildlife.

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
Rosella not Rosetta. I'm thinking of the Rosetta stone. It's
a rosealo.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
Okay, now I could clarify that, right. Nineteen nine two
is the Texas well plenty coming through. We'll get to
some of those very very shortly. It is nineteen to four,
and corpse.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
Pose is someone's texted through corpse pose as chavasana ah chevasna.
I've got two things wrong in about ninety second.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Well, you've made it good now, right nineteen to four
back in a few minutes, News News Talk zed be.

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
It is sixteen to four, and.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
We're talking about crazy wildlife encounters you've had or seen
in New Zealand and a lot of bird on bird
action coming through, particularly on text. This one says, get
a guys, where was it? We had a flock of
kooko barros here in the white tuckt easting neck defeat
their two PARKI I saw one sitting in an old
pine tree with a large rat in its beak. The

(01:45:40):
sound is cool to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:45:41):
I don't know. We had coooko barrows around in New Zealands,
and this one says, the worst thing I saw was
a dear little ring necked doves fly into my window,
and as it lay stunned on the concrete, before I
could get out to rescue it, a hawk swooped down
from a big tree, picked the dove up in its
talons and flew away. I was so traumatized seen it
as I love my birds. There's a lot of anti
Rosella chat coming through people on phone. Mikey Havoc, the

(01:46:04):
Great Mikey Havock has come out heavily against the Rose.
He's not a fan, not a fan. He's very angry
on them. Okay, A lot of people agree they do
seem out of place. The Rosella, Uh this Texas is
what about Wolf Wolf, the talking toy? And so I've
looked up wolf Off, the talking to he. Here's Wolf Off,
the talking to he.

Speaker 29 (01:46:24):
Shrippy coming up too?

Speaker 18 (01:46:27):
You mean silly wolf.

Speaker 29 (01:46:30):
Coming up to slope that swim yep, shrimpers coming.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
To Yeah, they're how good? Wolf Off the talking to he?
That's incredible? Yeah r P yeah, uh oh one eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Mark. What's your story?

Speaker 30 (01:46:49):
Oh you know, mate, Yeah, my brother was noticed the
walk circling around one of his bags and he was
just walking across the patty, got to the other side,
opened the gate and Sidney silkie that had been following
him was gone. Say that again again, as Sydney little

(01:47:09):
dog gone.

Speaker 5 (01:47:11):
So the hawk took it? Yeah, oh japers. So how
how heavy would have the dog?

Speaker 23 (01:47:16):
Heavy?

Speaker 5 (01:47:16):
Would have the dog been?

Speaker 15 (01:47:17):
Mate?

Speaker 30 (01:47:19):
Oh it's pretty light, like slighter than a cat.

Speaker 5 (01:47:22):
Yeah, they're real small.

Speaker 30 (01:47:23):
Yeah, yeah, it gets from never heard it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
So there was no barking, no squealing, or I suppose
he was too far away.

Speaker 15 (01:47:31):
To hearing you of that, he never heard.

Speaker 7 (01:47:36):
From half from above it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:38):
Yea, that is traumatizing when a bird takes your dog.
I mean I shouldn't laugh, but what else do you do?
The bird took my colin. I'd hunt that bird to
the end of the world and all of them, yeah species,
I'd destroy every bird on the planet. Yeah, Mark, there's
a hell of a story, Thank you very much. That's
quite terrifying, isn't it. Yeah, just just your dog flying off?

(01:47:58):
What do you do about it? Yeah? Mary you've got
a story about pokikos.

Speaker 24 (01:48:05):
Yeah, your bloody pook kickers. Sorry god, it was on
the radio. I was with a friend with our grandchildren
walking around in the.

Speaker 32 (01:48:16):
Stone fields the poo care.

Speaker 24 (01:48:18):
Oh, there's a group of poocackers attacked this black back
gulls until it killed it. Wow, poocake is just attacked, attack, attacked,
attack until it was dead. And we had the sort
of shelter the kids to take them away. See what happened?

Speaker 5 (01:48:34):
So many pock how many? How many pocckos came out.

Speaker 25 (01:48:39):
Of them?

Speaker 5 (01:48:40):
Was it was it was it to eat the gull
or was it?

Speaker 24 (01:48:44):
No idea? We kept walking because we didn't see that
what the kids to see what had happened.

Speaker 32 (01:48:49):
But the poocackers are really horrible, horrible things. They go
there at my brother's place. They stripped the trees of
this person. Poocacks fly up into the tree and eat
the person. They shockers, real shockers, and the sat My
friend was saying her husband they had mandarins and the

(01:49:10):
pookakers that's taken all their mandarins.

Speaker 5 (01:49:13):
Scum. Yeah, we need to read we need to read
New Zealand of the poo kickle get them back on
the hunt list. They've been here for a thousand years,
They've had a good run, been longer here, longer than us.
They just need a little could just to get them
back in line. You know they've got too big for
their boots. Have you got five of them ganging up
on a black bet gull? Yeah, we can't be having

(01:49:34):
that sort of stuff. You know, they're out of control.
This is like the Pookicko gangs. We need a pitch
band or something. A couple of ticks coming through at
nine to nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Get a guys playing golf at Greymouth for years ago
and we're teed off on the third hole and as
we were walking to our balls a week it came
out of the bushes and took off with one of
the group's balls.

Speaker 5 (01:49:52):
Tried looking for it, but no avail. That's from James
and this one Get boys.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
We were lucky enough to have a pair of New
Zealand falcon nesting on our property last year, being ground
nest as.

Speaker 5 (01:50:01):
It was pretty cool, but they went shy at attacking
us if we got too close to their nest. On
that text regard to tackay can't fly, So it wasn't
a taque flying with a rat? Oh so mean was it?
I don't think it wasn't a tack flying with a rat. No,
we know that taka ha is the fat pukickos. Yeah,
there was a taca hay that stole someone's lunch in

(01:50:22):
a plastic bag. Yes, but it didn't fly away. That
was another bird with a rat in its mouth. Now
that would be a story. That would be a story. Yeah,
tacka hay just came up, stole some lunch and then
fly away evolving. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties
number to call, get a Jeff.

Speaker 6 (01:50:40):
Yeah, good evening or good afternoons. I've heard some fantastic stories.
This is a real good one. I had a mate
who was in the hunting club and tower on and
we went. I went out with them on a swan shoot.
And because if they don't keep them down, man, they

(01:51:01):
just take the whole place over. So anyway, that's okay.
I'm standing there next door to my mate and there
was an old guy there, colderly guy, and John sends
to him, a well, mate, get one of these. So
the guy up and blasted one and the swan. The

(01:51:21):
guy is so busy. Scott in that he actually got one.
What he didn't realize was the swan actually came down
and hit him on the head, well on his feet, but.

Speaker 5 (01:51:35):
The diad one just falling from the sky or taking
on its own volition. No, the one he shot right,
all right, he came back for him. Well, good on
that swan, chef. You know, anyone shuits me, I'm coming
for you.

Speaker 6 (01:51:47):
Well, my mate filmed it all and we had a
good laugh about it, but I don't think the old
guy was up, but that it was bloody hilarious.

Speaker 5 (01:51:57):
Well a san a swan's not a light creature, is it.

Speaker 6 (01:52:00):
I mean, there'd be a decent wack, no man, no,
you know, and when you're seeing them the probably twenty
said he feet off the ground, like coming down.

Speaker 22 (01:52:09):
Like a told Peter, anyway, that's this old guy on
the head.

Speaker 6 (01:52:15):
And of course I'm burst out laughing, and Johnny could
hardly keep the camera still because he was laying on
the flop and ground there. And I went but I said,
how are you right? And he says, oh, I think
I'll give up shooting for the day. Mate, I'll see

(01:52:35):
you later.

Speaker 7 (01:52:38):
And then you go, mate, that's a funny one.

Speaker 30 (01:52:40):
And that's very true.

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
That's a great story. Thanks for that, Thank you very much.
Steve says, I've watched a wicker killer rabbit and Nelson
a few years back. All Right, so Wickers, because we've
got the wicker missing up that stoat. So Wickers, you
know wickers kiwis they They're tougher than you think. I'm
doing good for New Zealand's wildlife and fauna. Maybe you

(01:53:01):
just need to release some more on the tiger pro
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 34 (01:53:05):
Hey guys, I didn't have anything council with the beard,
but you've had a couple of encounters with Kimanowa horses.

Speaker 5 (01:53:10):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 34 (01:53:12):
When I was in my childhood, I every year I
would do an a day horse trip with the Topau
Western Riding Clubs. And the first trip I dad, we
were in the Kaimanaas and we were riding back to
camp and we came around the corner and there was
a mire yelling in a full fall asleep just standing
up on.

Speaker 17 (01:53:31):
The edge of the path.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
Wow.

Speaker 34 (01:53:33):
And so we just kind of gave them a bit
of a frightened they took off like about out of hell,
and that was just so cool. And then the next
time that I currently old. I was was maybe fourteen,
and we went back and we had a few mers
that some of the people were riding, and so we
had a stallion that was following us for a couple

(01:53:53):
of days and You're just kind of was sniffing them out.

Speaker 29 (01:53:58):
So yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 34 (01:53:59):
We had a couple of the old cowboys tried to
rop them, but they went so accurate, so he got away.

Speaker 5 (01:54:06):
It's acredible. Is that quad area experience is proob ive?
Always wondered that about the Kaimanawa horses.

Speaker 28 (01:54:11):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 34 (01:54:12):
I mean, I was just so fortunate that I was
able to do these a horse treats throughout the North
Island as a kids that Yeah, I don't know if
the encounters were rare or not. I was just like
it that I got them.

Speaker 5 (01:54:24):
Yeah and cool. A lot of people texting through saying
that the pool kicko are not a lot of fans
for them after new guys. Yeah, Pokikos are terrible predators.
They feed their babies on baby ducks O cheapert Do
we need a brutal Yeah, I guy have pokiko and
ducks on our farm here. We regally see pakiko with

(01:54:44):
ducklings and their beaks heading back to the knees. Dirty cheaper,
dirty pokiko, absolute killers.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
Right, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties and nuther
to call nine two ninety two. Let's hear more of
your poo KICKO hates It is seven to four.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):

Speaker 15 (01:55:02):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 5 (01:55:05):
It'd be it is four to four. Didn't sound right.
That didn't sound right. We had a childier center and
we built a beautiful bridge that went over a creek.
There were ducks in the morning. We were doing a photoshoot.
Along came a pool KICKO and ate all the duck lanes.
Very sad for everybody involved. Terrible evil, terrible creatures, duckness.
All right, that's the Pookickos. That's the end of the show.

(01:55:26):
Thanks so much for listening, Thanks for all your calls
and text. We'll be back live tomorrow on your radio.
But right now, Tyler want am I playing this song
from American rock band Jimmy World. Ah so in the middle, Yeah,
it's got to be the political chat we here. Yeah,
because we're being abused by both left and right. On
the right as Stowe today. All right, you seem very easy,

(01:55:49):
you seem busy. We'll let you go on matt Eth,
that's Tyle Adams and we'll be back live on your
radio tomorrow afternoon. Until then, give him a taste a
kiwi does kiwis kick out?

Speaker 28 (01:55:56):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:55:57):
Not foo ge goos. You don't want to get into
a fight with the keywinch.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
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