Full Show Podcast: 20 August 2026

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hope you're having a great day yourself. Mat Heath.

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That's someone being me. Yeah, that's my job.

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Speaker 3 (00:50):
I answer your question. How am I very good?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Thanks. Ten eighty is the number? Two is the TIX
number if you give us.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
You went a little bit northern there with that exit.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
It was like, und eighty Do you like it?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
I like it?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Hey, just before you get into the show, just apropos
of nothing. But I went into a bit of a
deep dive last night. I'll tell you why in the second.
But what do you reckon? Is the best car name
out there?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
For model?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah? For a model like Viper, Dodge Viper. Oh, yeah,
that's right up there.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Eston Martin Vanquish or the Vanquish is good. The Rolls
Royce Ghost is pretty good, or Rolls Royce Phantom.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Mustang.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I like a Mustang air Ford Mustang.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I was blasting around the Queenstown area in a Mustang
this week.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Beautiful car. Oh, I've got some guess on it now.
The reason I asked there, it was just I was
driving home last night and I was behind a car Toyota,
and it was called the Velfire, the Velfire, Velfire vble
l if I are And I was just thinking, why
didn't they go the full hole and call it the
hell Fire? Why are you sticking with the vel Fire?
But then went into a bit of a deep dive

(01:58):
on some of the worst car names that have been
come up with around the world. And you know, the
market research that goes into naming a car is quite extensive,
you would think.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
But see you see the old isis around.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah you do. That's a tough one. Yeah, I mean
I think they named that before all that stuff went down,
so that's unfortunate. But in my research, I found out
that Mitsubishi at one time called their car, the Lettuce,
the Mitsubishi Lettuce.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Who comes up with this sort of stuff is Chris
and yeah, I mean lettuces are normally, I guess associated
with reliability or speed.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I just thought it was interesting someone's ticks through
the Chevy Blazer. That's not bad.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty cool. There was the
Subaru Brat. It's a pretty pretty good name. I've always
thought this. In Skyline, I thought Skyline is a good
name for for for a car.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
On the fire front, there was the Triumph Spitfire. That
was a really cool name for Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, that's strong.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I tell you what. When I was growing up, I
always thought that the coolest name for a car ever was
the Pontiac Firebird.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
That is a strong name. Yeah that's powerful.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
The Master Laputa Oh yeah, not strong, that's right down
the bottom. Anyway, if you want to take through nine
two nine to their and the best car names you
can think of, I just went for a deep dive
last night, so it's good to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I mean, fort Like, you know, there's so many them
around and historically that you don't even think about it.
But Ford Falcon is a very cool name for a car.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, that's that's how true for a long time. Yeah,
got a lot of history behind that. Yeah. That diehartsu
Naked apparently was up there as well, the naked the
naked dihartsu naked like that. Yeah, there you go, right,
enough of that. Let's get into this topic because this
is going to be very interesting. So new rules have
come into force this week giving New Zealand as much
broader power to make a citizen's arrest. People can now

(03:40):
use reasonable force to detain someone committing any crime under
the Crimes Act at any time of the day. So
the government says the changes are intended to give businesses
and members of the public more ability to stop offending,
particularly theft. And Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith reinforced that this
amendment would give businesses and enhanced powers to take down

(04:01):
and arrest those stealing from their own businesses.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Can we get some music going here? His Personally, I
think we've moved way too far towards this idea that
you shouldn't get involved. If there's a realistic chance to
someone or a few people step in when you commit
a crime, I think you're less likely to do it,
right and as I was saying before, the police can't

(04:26):
be everywhere, and a society that needs police to be
everywhere is already in a lot of trouble. Right, I
think we have a duty to police ourselves as much
as we reasonably can. I think we need to go
back to worrying a little less about people getting involved
and instead celebrating the heroes a little bit more. Show

(04:58):
if someone is stealing and another person steps under, stop
and that person should feel empowered to act, and if
they do something brave, we should celebrate them for it. Right,
I think we've flipped totally a different way. And I'd
like to think, as I say, also saying before, if
someone mugged an old lady in front of me, I'd
like to think I'd chase them down and get her
stuff back. And I'd also like to think, as I

(05:18):
was running after this assailant, that a bunch of people
would jump in and help too, And then and then
and we'd we'd tackle that person, and we'd grab that
hamburg and Hamburger handbag.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
So I was still in a Hamburger, you might grab
the Hamburger.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Hand Hamburger hand handbag, whatever you're taking off of the
old lady. I would hope that that citizens would step
up and do something about it. Right, that's being a hero.
It's cool, And I reckon, I reckon we should we
should want that instinct to be the norm in society.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
So, I think any kind of empowering you can can
and can do towards citizens arrest is a good thing.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
What do you say, oh, e one hundred and eighty,
now that you've got the power to do so at
any time of the day, for any crime that you
see bead undertaken, would you step up and try and
become the the hero in a situation you think you
can make a different.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
For Yeah, because one of the biggest changes here is
the removal of the three year threshold. Previously, Section thirty
five of the Act generally allowed a citizen to arrest
some un caught committing of crimes that had a maximum
punishment of at least three years imprisonment.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
People.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I mean, you couldn't really do that, could you. Like,
you're sitting there, someone's done something, you know, is this
a three year I don't know? Should I intervene? Yeah,
It's just like if you see a crime, then you
can intervene.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Makes it a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
And there are obviously caveats, too many caveats if you
ask me, but there are some there are.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, So what do you say, I one hundred and
eighty ten eighty do you think you would step in
if you saw a crime happening, particularly somebody stealing something
from a business, if you've done that, really keen to
hear your story? How did that go for you?

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is to.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Number this text that disagrees. I can't wait for some
thug to nice me for protecting a few dollars of
food stuff's multimillion dollar profits. See that is what everything
that is wrong with society right now. I can't wait
to not be a Hero's basically what that person is saying.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, interesting, take nine two nine two, But what do
you say? It is thirteen past one back in a
few moments, the.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
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Speaker 2 (07:21):
Be sixteen past one. So we're talking about citizens arrest there.
The powers rather have been expanded quite dramatically. But the
question for you is would you step in and do
we need more people to step up? When you see
a crime taking place?

Speaker 3 (07:35):
The six says, Matt, define what reasonable forces? I'm like you,
I'm chasing down the hamburger. So reasonable forces it's obviously.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Vague, right it is.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, it does not mean whatever force is needed to
make the arrest work. Section thirty nine. Just looking this
up protects necessary force used to overcome resistance, but not
where the rest could reasonably achieved in a less violent manner.
Please put it more simply avoid force where possible and
use only the minimum, necessary and proportionate force. See that's

(08:06):
too weak for me. I think of some committed a crime,
then then you should use whatever forces is needed to
stop them getting away until the police arrive.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
You should be preticted that if you tackle somebody and
they break an arm or something, you were stopping a
crime in place. I mean, how are you then liable there?
Because they would argue that is unreasonable force. But you say, look,
I was just trying to tackle them. I didn't mean
to break their arm. Yeah, that's just how they fell.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, the guy was stealing some stuff and like a citizens,
rest does not give you a bunch of police rights
of course. I mean you're not questioning them, no, and
you know, going through their belongings, you're not searching them.
You're just holding them till the cops get there, right,
And so I think I think you should be there
should be a wide use of force being allowed for that.
As I say, used to be called being a hero.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
Alvin, your thoughts, Yeah, the interesting subject. But I've actually
done it twice before this.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Law came into being right, talk us through.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
Yeah, one was a drunken driver, seriously drunken.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
It was.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
I avoided a head on and then I chased the
person and then I dulled the police number and they
guided me through it so where I cornered the person
into a cul de sac and then waited for police.
I actually took the cheese off the person. Yeah, my
heart was in my mouth, don't speak. I didn't know

(09:32):
who the driver was, my able female. But anyway, the
downside of self arrest, of course is you might have
been caught. I had to be a police witness. But nevertheless,
my time I did a good thing.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
You've narrowly have ordered a hit on with them. So
if you had done nothing and then you were waking
up next morning and you're hearing about a fatality on
the roads and you hadn't done anything. I mean, you
would have felt terrible. Elvin.

Speaker 7 (10:05):
Well, well, that's exactly right. I mean it was a
c it was called and I avoided the collision, but
I could see that the person was driving erratically, and
there were other people in the vehicle that seemed it
was fun.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Okay, So it was you, you on your own and
multiple people in the other vehicle. Correct, And how did
you how did you approach them?

Speaker 7 (10:32):
Well, reluctantly. I had the police on the phone one
hand yep and I was being told to take the
keys out of the vehicle. Well, you don't know. In
the dark. It was in the dark. What are you
going to confront? I mean, I'm seventy two years old.
If I saw a gun or a knife, i'd back off.
I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
How did you stop them, Alvin? Did they stop for you?
Were you beeping your horn? And they decided to pull over?

Speaker 7 (10:59):
They drove, They didn't know where they were going. They
almost said a lamp post twice, but they wound up
in a coulder sack. So I put the van across
the the cul de Sac entrance until the police arrived.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
And and what what what did describe who was in
the car?

Speaker 8 (11:15):
What?

Speaker 3 (11:15):
What?

Speaker 4 (11:16):
You know?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
What do we got here? How many? How many people?

Speaker 9 (11:20):
Four?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Four?

Speaker 7 (11:22):
Couple of males, couple of females.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
And and how did they and how did they take
to you coming up and blocking their exit and saying
I'm going to take the keys?

Speaker 7 (11:30):
Females sorry, the males are aggressive. The females went. The
female was a driver, and they played hardball and court
talk about live right. I did take photographs and they
were used.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Were you scared for your safety?

Speaker 6 (11:48):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (11:50):
Right, you know the adrenaline you have to fight it?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yes, And if you had experiences with confrontations before, you
know what, what's your background that you felt capable of
pulling off this this key confiscation.

Speaker 7 (12:04):
Well, I'm really relatively well built, but I won't take
on some under.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
That's got a weapon that's smart.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, no, I mean.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
It's not worth it. I mean people have taken on self,
arrest citizens, arrests and and been killed. Look at that
case in New Market there was broad daylight. Guy stepped
in and it was knife to death.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Would you do it? Would you do that? For a robbery, Alvin,
if you're in the supermarket and you saw someone trying
to steal some groceries, would you intervene?

Speaker 7 (12:35):
You think, well, actually I had there was another case.
But look there were people in the in the Cema
market that day that that tripped the bolt. The guy
up and then everybody jumped on him, but at a distance.
Perhaps if nobody else assisted me, I wouldn't probably know.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
And what era are we talking about? How long ago
was the confiscation of the keys and how long ago
was the intervition.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
It was about four or five years ago right now?
That was about about six years ago.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Okay, right, so happening in a close period of time.
So what would your advice be under the situation. So
obviously with the car one, you've got the cops on
the phone, so you've rung them straight away.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
I would say, see police assistance as soon as possible
if you can. Yeah, don't try and be a hero
because you might come off second best. I mean it's like,
you know, if you had a gun and you saw
someone else with a gun, would you use it? The
answer would be no, don't because the chances are it
could be used against you.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, but I mean you can be a hero because
there's a thing don't be a hero, and that's be
don't be stupid. But in a way, if you do
a sensible thing like you did to get the keys
off people that were all over the road and could
have killed someone or themselves, then that's being a hero
as well. I would say, Alvin, what did the police
say to you when you've got them on the line,
Because did they talk you through getting the keys out?

(14:00):
Of the ignition of.

Speaker 7 (14:03):
The sergeant you turned up? He's congratulated me and he
said well done, and in the court too that they
told me well done. But I didn't do it from
the ego point of view.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
I do it because.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
It was the right thing to do. Otherwise that person
and behind that cart could have killed someone apart from me. Yeah,
I mean it was an instinctive rather than something that
I've got to do this to be a hero.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, Well, I mean you've you're probably you've probably been
but rattled by nearly being hit by them, you know, So.

Speaker 7 (14:41):
That's that's that's correct. I think you've got to weigh
it up. Yeah, you know, if you've been drinking, on
drugs or anything like that wouldn't wouldn't I wouldn't advise
it at.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
All, Alvin, thank you very much. I mean I call
it heroic. Yeah, that is heroic. Yeah, when someone's been
drinking and driving, and as you say, for most of us, right,
if you see someone go past you and they're driving
erradically and almost hit you, is that part of your
brain that is not I'm going to be a hero here,
it's could I live with myself if this person does

(15:11):
kill someone will crash into a tree and kill themselves.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
But obviously if they're brandishing a knife. But I mean
it gets complicated. If they're branding a knife, it's knife
at someone else, and you can you know, that's when
it gets really super complicated, right.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. What do you say, oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty, do you think these
new citizens arrest powers will allow you to intervene if
you wouldn't otherwise? Tell us nine two nine two is
the text number?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
John says, Matt, Seriously, you're so fake asking questions as
pretend to actually give a crap. It's just a case
of passing your time away while on radio. You don't
give a rat about this man, Oh cheap as John, Geez,
someone woke up on the wrong side of it, John, Yeah,
I do. Actually, I'm actually deeply interested in people's stories
one hundred percent. Yeah, John, you're a small and bitter

(15:57):
human being.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
All curiosity, John, Yeah, right back of the mo it's
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Speaker 11 (17:44):
Yeah, how's it?

Speaker 12 (17:44):
How youre going?

Speaker 7 (17:45):
All right?

Speaker 13 (17:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Very well? Yeah, thanks for bringing in.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
So you were involved in a recently high profile citizen
arrets type situation, is that correct, Chris?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (17:55):
Great, Yeah, I wasn't really a reason in the end,
but yeah, many years ago in Dunedin, a father had
come home that the husband and wife had split up,
and he'd come home and basically just walked through the
door of the house with the riot on, said I've
come to wreckular life. So yeah, Unfortunately, the two kids

(18:18):
were there in bed and sleeping in bed, and so
by the time the alarm was raised for me, unfortunately,
said it was too late. But I don't think it
matters what the what the law says or whatever the
rules I've gotten, Like, if you need to do the
right thing, it's a special morals that A like to
get in there and try and really do.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
The right thing.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
You know, how nearby were you to the situation, Chris
so close?

Speaker 6 (18:45):
David?

Speaker 11 (18:46):
So yeah, yeah, the house next door, So yeah, So
I tried to I tried to get the gun off
the after follow and got shot at.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Yeh.

Speaker 11 (18:56):
Unfortunately then in the meantime, but for me trying to
get into the house, he took his own life. But
it was pretty pretty bad. But so in that, like
in that whole situation, like I was awarded the Bravery Creation,
but like it's it's not about like getting an award.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Or anything like that.

Speaker 11 (19:12):
It's about you know, like a loving memory of the kids,
that lost their lives, you know.

Speaker 14 (19:16):
Like goodness, it's about morals, about trying to whether it's
whether it's a crime, someone flogging stuff or or someone
trying to harm someone.

Speaker 11 (19:26):
You know, you're just going to do the right thing,
Like it's probably a final flight thing.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
You know.

Speaker 11 (19:30):
Some people just shut the curtains and pretend they didn't
see it. Or you get in there and try and
trying to help the best and that's going to hit or.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
You know, did you ring the police?

Speaker 6 (19:43):
I know I didn't.

Speaker 11 (19:44):
Trying to get the gun off the bin and.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
The wife right, and and talk us through how you
approach the situation? Chris? Did you did you yell out?
Did you you know?

Speaker 4 (19:56):
What? What?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
What did you do? How did you approach the man?

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (20:00):
So we're next door and yeah, smashed on his store
and he come out like down the hall with with
the with the rifle, and then I'm talking to him
through the glass door like yeah, unfortunately I was just plugging.
But he jeans bare feet, t shirt, so I couldn't
kick his door and there was nothing near to kick
the door instead of hand. It was a glass door.

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But he he's walking up the hallway to me and
I'm asking him to put the gun down. We need
to talk about it and stuff like that, and then
everything sort of goes super slow motion and he takes
aim and he sort of heads myself up and it's.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Going to hurt.

Speaker 11 (20:35):
I don't know what what happened when the gun went
off and he said he didn't trip.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
I think the.

Speaker 11 (20:40):
Media said that he tripped or whatever. I don't know
what happened, but the gun he should have went back away.
It wasn't recalling the gun either, and it hit the
door frame above my head.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
So, oh my god, I mean that this is this
is such a full on thing to happen to someone.
Have you so you've you said you have a wife?
Do you have a wife and kids?

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Quest? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Mean so the other side of it, the other side
of it is, you know, you're going in to do
the right thing. But the right thing is that Dan
it's still around to look after his wife and kids.
You see what I'm saying, Chris, did you weigh up?

Speaker 11 (21:14):
And each each person is different, Like I say, it's
probably like that fight or flight thing talk about, you know,
like it was. I was just trying to get those
kids out, like the worst part for me, I didn't
know for some time later that he had already done
what he'd done.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
I was going in there with the sole aim.

Speaker 11 (21:29):
Of trying to get the gun off him and save
the kids, but unfortunately, unfortunately had already done what they'd done. So, yeah,
I don't know that at the time.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean at the time, Chris, you know this
has happened, the alarm has been raised with the mother
running to you, and then you confront him. I mean,
what is going through your head at that point? Did
you think this is it? You know this, this guy
is gonna gonna shoot me and I'm going to die.

Speaker 12 (21:54):
Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (21:56):
Like I say, I was tensing with how much they going.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Man, this is going to hurt.

Speaker 12 (21:59):
Like, of course it's going to hurt.

Speaker 11 (22:00):
It's going to do more than her. It's probably going
to kill you.

Speaker 12 (22:02):
But at the time, like I say, I'm just I've
got one focus and it's trying to get those kids
out of that house. And like I say, unfortunately I
failed there. While I didn't, I wasn't alerted soon enough
to be able to help the situation.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
If anything, I saved the house because he was a
can of petrol on the back of the house. So
when I've gone there, he's I've disturbed them.

Speaker 12 (22:26):
He was probably about to get the can of petrol,
put it through the house, truck a match to it,
and then take himself out.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
So yeah, pretty.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
And so your wife's on the phone to the police.
What are the police telling her to tell you?

Speaker 6 (22:39):
I can't remember.

Speaker 15 (22:40):
I know she's screaming at me get out of there
and get back over here. But like, yeah, I was
just there, like to say, I was focused on what
I was doing and trying to get the kids out.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
But yeah, yeah, it's heroic stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
That's a hero right there. And I'm sure Chris, you know,
probably doesn't feel himself a hero, but that is what
it is, you know. And he was trust into that
situation where he had to act. Well, he didn't have
to act, but he did act.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah. But the other side of it is, you know,
your kids and your wife's to want you around. Yeah,
you used to want yourself around exactly.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
So I don't think with citizens arrests it can ever
be expected that you put your life in danger, you know.
I think that's a lot to ask of anyone, as
heroic as it is.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, yeah, Chris, thank you very much for sharing your story.
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Speaker 2 (24:51):
Thank you very much. Ray Lane. So we're talking about
expanded rules or legislation for citizens arrest. Would you step
in into ven if you saw a crime happening? And
have you done at one hundred and eighty ten eightyes
number to call.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, just talking about that last call from Chris who
got involved in a very high profile and terrifying situation, horrible,
tragic situation in Dunedin. Every household would want a bloke
like that as their neighbors. Is this texta yeah and yeah,
just a bunch of people saying what incredible person that
that Chris is?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, definition of a hero.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
But you know, boy, I don't know. Tough, Yeah, yeah,
it would be complex, Yeah, yeah, tough not what the
right thing is to do for what's the right thing
with what's happening in the next house, and what's the
right thing for your family and yourself?

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, Harmuira, how are you?

Speaker 17 (25:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (25:38):
Good things? Tell us, Hey, look, get my thought processes
basically around what happened with Chris. You know you sort
of I wouldn't suggest doing it myself or to anyone,
because you know, Chris isn't any good to anyone if
he's not around for his family or his kids or anything.

(26:00):
You know, I think, yeah, probably I'm stereotyping here. People
that do crime are basically the poor can't afford you know,
the day that they living that is a kite on
mess or whatever. And at that stage, they probably just

(26:21):
don't know what they're doing and they're not They're like,
you know, they're invincible, and so you know, if you
get caught up in that situation and they just go nuts,
you know, you don't know the cancealing a weapon or
whatever until they pull it out. And so if you're
going in there to try and make a citizen's arrest,

(26:43):
not not to be a hero, because you want to
do it for the right reasons, and that's what Chris did.
But you know, if you got someone like that and yeah,
you're just risking your life, and yeah, I just I
just wouldn't suggest it to anyone.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
You know, that's at the far end, right, that is
the most extreme thing you can pretty much imagine, you know,
a person with a gun and doing that and shooting
at you. But what about at the other end of
the scale. You know, there's just to have the cliche,
you've got an old woman walking down the road, someone
grabs a handbag and you look at it and it's

(27:19):
some little shit that you know, you know you can handle.
I mean, putting a foot out and foot tripping them
and holding them to the police arrive. I mean, that
would be within the if you can assess the situation
and say, look, I'm not risking my life here, but
I'm doing what's right by this this other citizen. You know,
what do you think about that? That option there?

Speaker 18 (27:42):
Oh, definitely, I mean, yeah, let's say you have to
assess the situation and think, okay, right, can I take
on this person you know, you know, like sually is
he high on mets or something of that, Because again,
still it's the same sort of thing, isn't it you know,
someone is desperate for money or whatever that these are

(28:03):
the things that they do.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, So I.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Wonder if it's that people shouldn't feel a blind age
to do it, but they should be celebrated for it,
if you see what I'm saying, Like, no one who
doesn't think they can handle the situation and thinks that
they're out of their depth should get involved. But if
someone thinks they can handle it and can assess the situation,
then I think they should be celebrated and they should
be seen as as a hero for doing it, but

(28:28):
not necessarily massively shaming someone else who's too small or
or you know, just it's not the right situation for
them to get involved.

Speaker 18 (28:36):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I think it's not too sure
who was with those Matt or Heap was saying, yeah,
I want to get I want to be a hero
type that pretty ball.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
No no, I was saying. I was saying, I'd like
to think, in the right situation that I would step
up if within within reason. I'd like to think that
I would. I don't know if I would. I'd like
i'd like to think if in the right situation, if
if you know, and if I could help someone that
I would I would like to think that. I don't know,
I haven't been tested.

Speaker 18 (29:09):
I was listening. I was listening to Alvin and I
was in a similar situation with him where someone did
a sort of like a hit and run in a
vehicle and they took off, and so I followed them
and my start till five and was on the line
to them, and they just sort of set me I
will just stay with them if you can without sort

(29:30):
of you know, breaking the speed limits and then just
just down the line. And I just sort of went
through with them, and basically, you know, within about ten minutes,
you know, the cops sort of passed me with their
lights and I just sort of said to them, Okay,
the cops are there, they're they're in told this person,

(29:51):
and I just carried on my merry way job.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
All done by you. Yeah, I mean that's excellent, that's
the perfect That's I think.

Speaker 18 (29:59):
It's very different to what I think the citizens arrest
is in, you know, sort of someone doing a burglary
or someone shop lifting or whatever. You know, you're in
a situation where you can control what you're doing. Yep,
you're not getting involved. So like physically so slightly different.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Good to get your thoughts, hamu Era, Thank you very
much for your call. We're just going I mean, isn't
that the point that when you've got people who think
they have the ability or they've got the schools to
be able to do that quite often in these situations,
does it not take one person to to step up
and take action? And at that point, I think I'm
far more likely to help.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
It is.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's kind of a psychological thing that if nobody thinks
that they can do anything, then nobody does. You need
somebody to cut across the grain and say I'm going
to confront this person and then hopefully you get others
coming to the table as well. Yeah, you know that
is It's a deep psychological thing, right that if something
is happening and everybody's standing around looking at it, nobody

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will do anything unless somebody takes action.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
And whether that is on that person to take action,
I don't know. I'd like to think I am, but
like in the scenarios, maybe not. Society changes such that
people can expect multiple people to do it. If that's
you know, the expectation, then I think you will have
less crime. But then on the other side of it.
Listen to the sets here and now, why should I
risk anything for some corporations profits? Screw screw it. People

(31:29):
need to eat, mate. See that's that's this whole idea
that all of it is done by people that need
to eat and it's not their fault, and that every
criminal in the world is just some poor person that
it's that they have no agency. Yeah, is the problem,
isn't it right?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, it's not an Oliver Twist situation.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
And also some corporation, what do you mean, like some dairy? Yeah,
you know, maybe because.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
It's the right thing to do and it's the wrong
thing to do to steal you know, what do you
say though one hundred and eighty ten eighties is and
able to call it is quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Matd Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
That'd be there is twelve to two.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
We're not living in the wild West. If you think
you can arrest anybody, go be a policeman. That's the
kind of do we really want to live in a
society where the only person that does right, people that
are paid to do, right, that's that. I mean, we're
all citizens of the same society. We all know and
if someone's in trouble and you can help, then what

(32:31):
this text is saying you shouldn't inecessary a police officer.
I think that's a horrible way to look at things.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Two is the text number. But Mark, how are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (32:40):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
You had a citizen's arrest seven months ago?

Speaker 19 (32:43):
Yeah, about seven months ago. I was at pass park
in the off lead dog area with a number of
other dog owners and their dogs, and this young gentleman
came running out of the woods, popless, was from achety,
swinging it well. Seemed to be under the belief that
the whole world was after him and people are after him,
and that we were all of a sudden after him,
and then he wanted to kill us and slash air

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dogs up.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 19 (33:07):
So I handed my two dogs over to another dog
owner and I slowly approached the young man and he
was threatened to kill me and waving his machetie around,
and then when I got close enough to have a
closer conversation, he was saying he was going to kill me.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
So I decided to use some reverse psychology.

Speaker 19 (33:24):
On him, and I said, what makes you think that
he can kill me? You don't even know me, You
don't even know my skill set, and that sort of
stunned him a bit, and then he was like, no,
I'll slash your debts, and I basically said, j him,
this can go two ways. You'll get hurt really really
really bad, or you will hurt me, and then whatever
trouble you're in, you're going to get in more trouble.
So you better make your fucking sorry. I said, if

(33:47):
you put that machete down, everything will be sweet. So
then he dropped the machete and then I pounced on
him and I made a citizens arrest on him, and
I holed him and I kept him there, and then
I had the police on the phone, and then I
basically taught them on the phone to where they could

(34:07):
find me where I had him held down, and they
then basically took over control of the scene and then
found them a shitty and took them away. It was
my impression at the time that was probably heavily under
psychosis from drugs or something. That was a point there

(34:28):
where I just didn't think he was threatened to until
everyone you could see and slash their dogs up.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
So what what have you in your past? Is there
anything in your past.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
That gave you, you.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Know, any training or anything to have that composure to
confront someone like that one.

Speaker 20 (34:48):
Yeah, I've actually confronted.

Speaker 19 (34:52):
A number of people and basically used my mindset to
control the situation rather than any anything physical.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
I have had to have.

Speaker 19 (35:06):
I've only had really one physical confrontation from trying to
control a situation. But most of the time it's basically
getting inside their head and putting doubt in their head
that they can actually do something to you, or that
they might come out better if they try to do something.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
That takes a lot of ye that takes a lot
of composure though to stand there and I guess de
escalate the situation as you did. Mark.

Speaker 19 (35:32):
Yeah, Yeah, I knew what I was doing, and I
knew that he was gonna probably have a go. But
I had belief in the fact that if I could
put enough doubt in this young man's mind that because
it doesn't know me and I'm a quite stocky build,

(35:53):
that he might think second of what.

Speaker 21 (35:56):
He's about to do.

Speaker 19 (35:56):
And fortunately he gave me that opportunity by dropping his
machetes so I could count on him and then hold
him under citizen's arrest.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Do you think what might have happened if you hadn't
been there? Mark? It just seems very lucky for the
other people.

Speaker 20 (36:11):
He was extremely.

Speaker 19 (36:15):
I'm psychotic.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
So basically.

Speaker 19 (36:19):
The situation was he had he believed other people after him,
and then when he came across us and the.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
Dog park that we were part of those.

Speaker 19 (36:28):
People as well, and he had to kill us.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
And he's got a hold of him a shitty that's terrifying.
Did you hear? What did you hear? What happened after
that once the police took him away was.

Speaker 19 (36:41):
The police Gates got all the details and all that
and took them away, and then I never had had
a response from them after that.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Wow, I'll tell you what, You're lucky if there's a
Mark around exactly that very very lucky.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Thank you very much for your story. It there's eight
minutes to too. You're listening to news talks, heb.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight It's
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Speaker 2 (37:05):
News Talk News Talks. It is five minutes to to
plenty of takes coming through on the citizens arrest, But Simon,
we've got a minute and a half before the news.
What's your story, right, mate?

Speaker 22 (37:18):
So I'm I'm coming home.

Speaker 23 (37:22):
Quite late one night, and I live on a.

Speaker 22 (37:23):
Very very reasonably short small street. It's very small, and
I come around one corner and I see a person
in the distance have shot up, shot up either my
or my neighbors drive, right, So I scoot along the
road thinking let's see up too. And so I'm a
one man band builder at that time, right, and truck's

(37:47):
backed up the drive, the back.

Speaker 23 (37:48):
Doors open, and he's in there already. He's opened the
door really quickly with one of those sort of flat
flat bar things, and he's reaching over grabbing my tools
out of the truck, right, and he's putting them down
the side by the brick plant box.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sitting in the here.

Speaker 23 (38:03):
And then he doesn't realize that I'm looking at him
because the door.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Simon, sorry to jump in there, Sorry to jump there,
but we really want to hear your story and we're
going to have some follow up questions. So mate, if
you're okay, I've bulls up the typing there so if
you're okay, just hang on into after the news and
we'll pick that bar caup is that cal.

Speaker 6 (38:18):
You're right mate, you're a good man.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Sorry about that, Simon, Yeah, on you instantly. You couldn't
get it done in a minute and a half. This
sounds too good, Simon. We need more, all right? You
just sold there, mate, and we'll come back to you
after the news. But oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number two call. Citizens arrest has been expanded.
Would that make you intervene? Tell us what you reckon?
Nine two nine two is the Texas Well Newsport and
Weather on its way with Rayleen Ramsey Hope. Hoping you

(38:43):
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Speaker 2 (39:06):
Past two, welcome back and the program, and we have
been discussing citizens arrest. Legislation has been expanded. People can
now use reasonable force to detain someone committing any crime
under the Crimes Act at any time of the day.
So the question that we have been putting to you
is do you think you would intervene now that these
powers have been expanded? Have you intervened in the past?

(39:27):
And do we need more people to step up when
you witness a crime, someone to take action and hopefully
others will follow. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
The sex is Stop telling people to step in. It's
not safe. Better people commit crimes than people risk themselves
to stop them committing crimes. But I mean, surely we're
all adults in a society and someone can make an
assessment whether that they have the ability to step in
and stop someone. Yes, who's committed a crime? Please can't
be everywhere, That's right, And so society as a whole,

(39:59):
not just the people that are praid to protect us,
We should all be trying to protect each other, right,
isn't that the way it works?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I would have thought so. Now before the news we
head to unfortunate cut off Simon because we're running out
of time. But Simon is back with us now, mate,
thanks very much for hanging on. Which just having there
we go got you there, get it?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
So I think if we go back to the start
of your story. You were coming home and then you
saw a car shoot up your drive? Is that right
at night? Have I got that right, Simon?

Speaker 17 (40:28):
No?

Speaker 13 (40:28):
No, So I was actually I was walking and pretty late,
pretty late, like early hours in the morning. Some was
coming up sort of thing I wasn't I wasn't too
smashing it. And so I saw we came around the
corner or someone either with up my drive or my
neighbor's drive.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
Mhm, he's up for something, you know that odd look.
I didn't recognize him.

Speaker 13 (40:55):
So I scooted down there, and it's about one hundred meters.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
So I got to my my driveway.

Speaker 13 (41:01):
And this guy had already opened up the back of
my truck. But it was a it was an old
and old in the stands back in those days, and
it was backed.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
Up the drive right.

Speaker 13 (41:12):
So he's in the back seat, open the back door,
and he's reaching over the back and getting the tools
on the chippy, right, and he's getting getting my tools
out in the back of my truck. And he doesn't
realize that I'm sitting at the front of the driveway
looking at him doing this because the door is between
me and him, right, and I'm just looking at it.

(41:33):
I'm getting absolutely irate. I'm just looking at think at
this taking door and gives of the old knee a
good going over roof top that I just went for
the door and I just slammed it so hard into
the back of this guy at his knee hang his
screak ah, and then I gave him another couple and

(41:55):
then he was like he was just an absolute shock.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
And at that time, I'm thinking, what else has he got?

Speaker 13 (42:02):
Has he got my chisels or what's he got? You know,
he could be really thinking what do I even start?
I sh up.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
I get him at a headlock, and.

Speaker 13 (42:12):
I'm actually getting really irate at this stage. I'm just
feeling really violated. You know, It's like this has never
happened to me before.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
But I've got him.

Speaker 13 (42:21):
He's stunned, he's shocked, he doesn't know what to do,
and he is absolutely not enjoying life.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
At this stage.

Speaker 13 (42:27):
And so I've got him and he's starting to struggle
a little bit. So I've got him and a half
nelson and he's I'm choking him and he's starting.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
To go blue. They didn't have a little bit of ear,
so I.

Speaker 24 (42:37):
Gave him a little bit of ear and he sort
of took a big and I sort of put it
back on and dragged him down to the back of
the back of the section, which is my trailer was
hooked up to the back of this truck.

Speaker 13 (42:51):
So I dragged him down there, and he's up against
the garage and he's sort of cornered and he's he's
in a bit of shock at the stage, and he's
cuffed for coughing and spluttering and my wife, I'm yelling
out to the wife.

Speaker 23 (43:06):
Call the cops, Call the.

Speaker 13 (43:07):
Cops, and my wife opens the curtains. And my wife
at that time, opens the curtain curtains and she's eight
and a half months pregnant, and you know, sleeps naked,
and she's wondering what the hell is going on.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
And he looks at her, and he looks at me,
and I just.

Speaker 23 (43:23):
Think, right now, you're really violating my space, mate, So.

Speaker 13 (43:29):
I gave him another one, and then and then and
then he says he's start choking and sluttering, and he says,
can I can I be sick in your plander box?

Speaker 2 (43:40):
That's permission.

Speaker 13 (43:43):
If you be sick in my plander box, mate, I
will George.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Jaws You've really pushing it now, mate.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
You've robbed my truck, You've looked at my wife naked,
and now you want to defile my flat of box hed.

Speaker 25 (43:59):
Better be a sult.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
I better not do that then.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
And so did the.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Cops turn up?

Speaker 13 (44:08):
The cops turned up, and they come on Stephen. They
knew the cop gar as quickly as they should.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Wow. And so what did the police say about the
force that you'd used? And I wonder if it's different.
I don't know the rules, but citizens arrest you imagine
the street, if it's on your property, it's slightly different,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
It did?

Speaker 13 (44:30):
And I was very I rate, and I was I
was under the I'd actually been to a barbecue about
three or four weeks before, and there was a next
cop there and he said, what would.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
You do if you caught the burglar?

Speaker 21 (44:44):
And he says, wow, you know, I guess if you
you know.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
They have a fit little bit of discretion. And so
we took that as the way we liked it, and
in any way, it happened. It happened.

Speaker 13 (44:57):
And the cops rang me that afternoon and they said,
we've got a young man here who's in our custody
and various allegations, and I.

Speaker 22 (45:10):
Said, no, no, no, no, mate, that was.

Speaker 13 (45:12):
Pure self defense.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
And that was left at that And.

Speaker 13 (45:16):
All I got was this report, a report from when
he went to court, and I didn't go. He went
to court and it was basically a slap on the
hand with the wet bus ticket.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Do you live do you live rurally, Simon?

Speaker 13 (45:30):
Or do you live I used to live in central.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
Christ jur right.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
But that but the cops still knew exactly who this
guy was.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
Yep, they knew exactly who he was. There's a lot
of burglars.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
And do you think do you think he just he's
just wandering up drives and he just happened to wander
up your your drive just looking around for things to steal.

Speaker 13 (45:48):
Yeah, I think he's an absolute you know, apparently he
was a well known, well known burglar, burglery and well,
you know, one top seed. He probably won't do that again.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Would you do that again?

Speaker 7 (46:02):
Simon?

Speaker 13 (46:04):
In hindsight, mate, No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Do you think he used too much force? Do you
think you think?

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Look, do you think anger took over as opposed to
just trying to protect your family and your possessions.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
Very sigh line there, mate, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah, thank you, Simon. What do you think o e.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
One hundred and eighty ten and eighty.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I'm glad we got to hear that story. I mean,
as you go, Vinnie Jones on someone with a card
door like good on, Simon. I think a lot of
people say he deserved to do that, but in the
eyes of the law, he was probably lucky that he
didn't end up and caught himself right.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Well.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
In citizens rest, and that's a bit different because of
someone's burglar robbing your house. Yeah, it's a bit different.
I'd look at that and what rights you have on
someone that's on your property compared to someone on the street.
But reasonable force is a key part of the citizens
arrest thing, and it does not mean whatever forces needed
to make the arrest work. Section thirty nine protects necessary
force used to overcome resistance, but not where the rest

(46:55):
could reasonably be achieved in a less violent manner. So,
in terms of this bill, the idea is that it's
the sort of the least violent manner you can do. Yeah,
so police, this is how the police put a void
force where possible and use only the minimum force necessarily
and proportionate force. So going Vinnie Jones with the door

(47:16):
might be in the police's eyes considered.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Unreasonable force, maybe a little bit too far. What do
you say though, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number?

Speaker 26 (47:25):
Call?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It is a quarter past two.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty used talk.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Said it is eighteen passed. When we're talking about citizens'
arrest powers, they've been expanded. Would you step in? Have
you stepped in? Tell us about it? Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty, I only.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Should share what is actually in this These changes to
the Crimes Act of ninety and sixty one.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I think there's a good PSA.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah. The biggest change is to remembal of the three
year three threshold. Previously, Section thirty five generally allowed a
citizen to arrest some un court committing a crime with
the maximum punishment was at least three years imprisonment. And
so they got that because that was too hard. People going,
I don't know, I don't know if that's three years
or not. Yes, And now applies to any offense under

(48:13):
the Crimes Act if you find the person committing it.
It does not cover every offense under the New Zealand
ploy Please still say not intervening. There's usually the safest
choice is safest. But yeah, as safe always the right choice.
The God says to call one one one, of course,
where there is immediate risk, and in most situations, you
must make clear that you are arresting the person. Please

(48:34):
say that the person should be told they are being
placed under citizens of arrest and being held under police
until the police arrive. You must contact the police as
soon as practical. Reasonable force as are saying before, does
not mean whatever force is needed to make the arrest work.
You want to use the exact It's difficult the exact

(48:55):
right amount of force. Yeah, Yeah, And a citizen's arrest
does not give you police search and questioning powers. That
makes sense. Yeah, And the legal protection depends heavily on
why you arrested them. Under Section thirty five, catching someone
actually hitting a Crime Act offense can make the arrest justified,
protecting against both criminal and civil liability, but Section thirty

(49:16):
six and thirty eight can instead provide only protection from
criminal responsibility, leaving open the possibility of some civil proceedings,
which is a little bit confusing.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
There's a lot to think about in the heat of
the moment. Yeah, to try and breteach yourself. I mean,
that is a lot of guidelines. When someone nicks something,
can you just think I've got to tackle that person.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, Steve, how are you?

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Hey? You guys, good to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Nice, Nice to hear from you. Mate, Thanks for giving
us a call. So you're a security guard, how does
this new law or the expansion of the legislation affect you.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
I think for security guards it does help.

Speaker 17 (49:54):
Soften, if you like, the approach of security guards can use,
because now people are aware that, you know, security guards
have pressed a little bit more leverage in terms of,
you know, addressing people, stopping them, and in whatever case,
apprehending someone. I had a similar situation about four years ago.
I was at a shopping center. I received a call

(50:18):
from my supervisor saying that there was a person reported
in the store. We met outside that store, and sure enough,
there was a large, stocky gentleman that was coming through.
He had obtained a suitcase from that store and was
filling it up, and had filled it up was close
to Christmas and anyway, he came through the store and

(50:39):
he was swearing, and to be fair, you know, most
of the staff, including the security company there was in
charge of that store, they.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Were intimidated by him.

Speaker 17 (50:47):
And he walked right past everybody, and then he walked
past us, and my supervisor at the time just turned
and said, look, I want you to go and get
that suitcase off that guy. So you know, we approached
him our first water callers always to de escalate, and
called out to him, asked him twice if we could

(51:08):
slow and talk about it. His reaction was to turn
around and he threw a punch, which for me it
gazed off my cheek. But I knew that the time
frame for de escalation at that moment in time had
come to a stop. So at that immediate time, I
just dropped my shoulder and I just I'm about one

(51:28):
hundred and ten kgs and I just launched and had
him right in the midsection. He to his he reacted
and he turned so that when he hit the ground,
which was in a grassy field, his face at the ground,
and when I went on top of him, a colleague
of mine he was with me. He jumped on top
of me. So that's about one hundred and ninety kg's

(51:50):
on top of one person. Now that person wasn't able
to move too much, he was struggling and all of that.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
But the reason why.

Speaker 17 (51:57):
I'm talking about this is because you know, you're right,
Tyler and Matt, Everyone, I guess has to weigh up
in a moment to notice what there response will be.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
There's no one right way to do it. But you know,
at the end of.

Speaker 17 (52:15):
The day, the case was retrieved, it was taken back
to the store, and we waited for about five to
eight minutes. The police were so busy at that time
of the year that they didn't show up. So we
just stood up and we let him go, and he
when he stood up, he apologized to us.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
For, you know, doing what he did.

Speaker 17 (52:34):
But it appeared to me that just some people in
their lives, they lived their life by intimidating people all
around them and that's how they.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Get their way.

Speaker 17 (52:41):
Yeah, yes, but they don't anticipate that somebody might react differently,
and that's what happened that that particular day. But I
just wanted to mention one other thing, and that is
from a security point of view, all guards have a
responsibility to if in response to aggression like that, we
have to we have to adapt the policy that got

(53:04):
the All Blacks some years ago, you know, adapt did
in the game that is to express control aggression, if
I could use that to So it has to be uh,
you know, reflectant of the of the situation at the time.
And even though we had that gentleman into the ground,

(53:24):
it didn't give us a reason to have to put
the booten and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
You know what I'm talking about, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 17 (53:30):
It's all about, you know, ensuring that the moment enabled
the person who was committing the crime to be.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
You know, no one, no one, no undue force or
basically taking revenge because he took a took a swipe
at you and grazed your cheek. You know, that's.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Correct, That's correct.

Speaker 17 (53:52):
So it has to be controlled aggression. It has that
that's reflectant of the situation. And everyone treats that kind
of situation differently, don't they, Matt. You know, not everyone's
going to be the same.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (54:04):
And so it's something that and I agree with you, Matt.
You know, it wasn't that many years ago that I
remember doing a shift up at the cemetery where just
down the road at Lynnmore a guy wielded a knife
and if he hadn't have been shot at it, you know,
I wonder what would have happened to more people that
would have perhaps perished, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
That's right. Yeah, So we have to make.

Speaker 17 (54:26):
A decision at times in our lives whether we step
up or we don't. And you know, everyone's different than
how they're going to react. I'd just sort of ring him,
give him my two cents worth anyway.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I really appreciate that, Steve, there was a valuable two cents.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Worth, absolutely, and glad it makes your life easier as
a security guard. So what do you say, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty citizens arrest powers have been increased.
Would you step in? Have you stepped in? Nine two?
Niney two is the text number?

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Guys. I think the whole thing is going to be
a disaster. I can see Joe Citizen ending up with
a knife between the ribs or a size twelve in
the mouth. Leave it to the experts, ge, but you
know the experts aren't there. You know, as a society,
don't we have to kind of police ourselves to a
certain extent.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, what do you say? One hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number? Twenty five past two?

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Speaker 1 (56:14):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
EDB, News Talks ZB. It is twenty eight past two, guys,
how do you know in a split second? How do
you work out if the offender is armed, or drugs
or capable of dealing to you? We all know that
criminals have more rights than non offenders, chairs Mark, Well, yeah,
that's what the police are saying that you know, staying
safe if if you do intervent, if you go ahead

(56:40):
to keep the arrest lawful, you need to be sure
you've got the right person, have reasonable and probable grounds
to believe a crimes Act defense has occurred. Clearly tell
the person you're making the arrest and holding the officer.
But they generally say, you know, if you've got any
doubts at all, then don't jump in. So I think
in a lot of ways it probably protects people that

(57:01):
have the skills to go and do it. You know,
if you're if you're tiny, and you see a couple
of giant people.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
That are armed committing a crime, then no one's saying
you should get involved.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
No, no, don't run in front of them or try
and tackle them.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
But it's just you just want to know across across
every situation. You know, everyone needs to know that people
might step in. Yeah, and you know that last call
with the guy intimidating people in a supermarket, right, that
people intimidate people until they get intimidated themselves.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
And there's safety and numbers. So if you generally know
that there's a good chance someone will step up and
have a go at you if you're doing something bad,
then I think that'll make the world a bit of place.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, what do you say though, Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Got the
headlines coming up. We've just had a text from a
police officer, very very interesting, so we'll read that out,
a police officer's thoughts on these new laws and how
they feel about it. We'll read that out after the
headlines with Raylen which are coming up right now. New's
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Speaker 2 (59:16):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean and we're carrying on
our discussion about the citizens arrest laws that have been expanded.
And you've got some information, Heath, I have.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
But I've got this interesting text I want to read
out for Okay, first perfect, Hey, Batman and Robin, you're
talking a big game. But are you going to take
a bullet for a block of cheese? Who's Batman? Who's Robin?
In the situation, I'm going to I'm gona claim Batman here.
You're gonna be my Robin on Batman and I pushed
back on talking big game. I don't think we have

(59:44):
been talking of big game. No, No, I I'd like
to think if the situation was right, I would step
in and do the right thing. But am I going
to take a bullet bullet for a block of cheese?
I'd say, for a start, I've never seen Batman and
Robin take a bullet for a block of cheese. No,
I would not take a bullet for a block of cheese.
And so I thought i'd have a bit of information here, right, Okay,
this is good. What actually counts as a as arrest?

(01:00:05):
It's when someone who isn't a police officer arrests another
person for committing or having committed an offense under the
Crimes Act of ninety sixty one that covers everything from theft,
burglary to assault. This is what the police say, do
not intervene if it may put you or others in
harms way. It's important to consider whether the person may
have a hidden weapon. In most situations, the safest action

(01:00:25):
is to keep yourself another safe, observe the crime, and
call one one one. Your primary responsibility is to maintain
the safety of everyone involved from the police. If there's
any immediate risk or harm to you or someone else,
called one one one and don't intervene, police say. The
safest option and most situations is still to call one
one one and let officers respond, right, So that's not

(01:00:48):
jumping in and taking a bullet for a block of cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, I mean that pours cold water a little bit
on these expanded powers, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
It, But a lot, that's what the police are saying. Yes, yeah,
And everyone's got an air on the side of caution
because no one wants to be the person that sees
go for it and then someone something terrible happens to
someone that's trying to do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah, And that and that's I mean, obviously that's a
that's a real risk. So it's a situation where you
know you can handle it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
And can you guarantee that you can handle it, you know,
knowing that it's a fluid situation. And on that note,
we mentioned before, there's a police officer who's text in
and this is their thoughts. Okay, guys, As a police officer,
these new laws do concern me. On the plus side, though,
the general public might now appreciate the difficulty of making
split second decisions and the heat of the moment that
later gets scrutinized by those with time and all the

(01:01:37):
information on their side. Cops might gain a bit more
understanding in the wide of public.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Yeah, I think we need a lot more of that,
you know. Yeah, the job that they do and the
variables they deal with, and the absolute horrors of society
that they face. Boy a boy, I think we do
need to really think about that when we when we
hassle what police get up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, and this sticks to sees Matt, You're definitely Batman.
Do I have to be Robin?

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Can I be Commissioner Gordon or something? I mean, is
there another hero there? Mister freeze you Robin. I don't
want to be Robert. Robin was not those spandings did
not look good or Robin. There was connotations there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
It's either Robin or batgirl as your option.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I'll take bet girl there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Hi, Guys, if these types think they could be challenged,
they would think twice about doing bad things. Bad things
happen when good people do nothing. Society needs an attitude shift.
That's from Ann. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Anne.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Good on your ann erin what's your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Hi?

Speaker 27 (01:02:30):
Hi, So it's time caller. So back in New Year's
Eve nineteen eighty one, my brother and Austria. Now my
brother was only thirteen fourteen, but quite big for his age. Now,
they were cutting through a reserve and there were these
two big guys, you know, kind of men's age, and

(01:02:51):
they were picking on a young lad. My brother just
called out, hey, pick on, so on your own size.
They turned out when I went through courts that they
were part of a gang. They came over with their
halberts and wet.

Speaker 9 (01:03:09):
My brother.

Speaker 27 (01:03:11):
One of them men pulled out a knife straight into
my brother's liver. The surgeon. The surgeon said later that
this person knew what they were doing. He sliced it
in and sliced and we found out later that in
the freezing works that sort of a technique in that field.

(01:03:32):
We found out later that his nickname was I won't
say his first name something the Blade. My brother was
in intensive care. We were called. They didn't believe he'd
make it. He did, and he went through to court

(01:03:53):
the two the one who did the stabbing, where I
got five years and the other guys got three. And
this is way back in nineteen eighty one. It was
quite high profile. My brother said ever since that he
would never do it again, although I know his heart
would want to, you know, he would want to, But

(01:04:16):
that fear, well you can I.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Mean, if you've been slashed through your liver, you absolutely
you would increase your fear. So, how's his house been ongoing?
With the with was he have a full recovery erin?

Speaker 27 (01:04:29):
I mean he said, he said, ongoing problems? Yeah, sixty two.
He was only thirteen and fourteen at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Oh right, Yeah, he was just.

Speaker 27 (01:04:38):
Walking home with his friend and came across these two
gang members.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
And so how old are the gang members?

Speaker 27 (01:04:45):
They would have been eighteen nineteen. It was a stabidus,
a gang a stables been in this community at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Gumbags stabbing a thirteen year old. Yeah, I mean stabbing
anyone's bad enough.

Speaker 27 (01:04:58):
But you know, my brother just said, hey, pick on,
so on your own side. So they did, and I
think of what I would I would still want to
step in knowing even that, But that's because I haven't experienced.
That's and that's fear that my brother lives with.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Well, thank goodness that your brother survived that it could
have been very different. But that's the reality of it, right.
You know, if you step into a situation, I mean,
that can happen, yeah, But what about a situation where.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Something bad is happening and you know you're going to
get hurt to deal with it, but you're protecting someone
else that's even more vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
That's a definition of a hero, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
I mean, like when Mark mentioned the machete wielder down
at the dog park and threatened to cut up the
dogs and the kids and the people around. I mean,
even if it's a stalling tactic, is that still something
You might not be able to do anything physically, but
to try and stall them and direct them away from
other people. I don't know, I mean, is that's still
putting yourself in danger, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
This says haha, what a joke waiting for police. The
whole reason they're bringing this in is because police show up.
That's what I mean. That's what kind of what I'm saying.
Like at some point, you know, everyone has to look
out for everyone else because the police. We can never
have enough police at this police there, and we actually
wouldn't want to live in a society where there's a
police because police officer everything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Very good point. Yeah, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. What do you say?
Have you stepped? And would you step? And now that
it is easier to do so, tell us your thoughts.
It is nineteen to three.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Have a chat with the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty, Mad Heathen Tyler
Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
They'd be afternoon to you. It is sixteen two three,
and we have been talking about expanded powers for citizens
erest legislation. Would that make you think twice about getting
involved if you saw a crime or would it make
it more likely? What do you say, Oh, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is a number.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
The text says, I was in our Supermaker a man
was being abusive and intimidating towards a female checkout staff member.
No one was doing anything. A customer, a boxer, calmly
walked over from his self service checkout tried to talk
to him. The guy wouldn't listen, so he punched him
and maneuvered him out of the store. Oh, everyone clapped.
Then he just went back to calmly checking out his order.

(01:07:17):
The guy came back later wanting to complain, but no
one wanted to hear him out. This is a kind
of a scary one. Driving past the Waku Golf Club
traveling home from a twenty first I saw a commotion
going on so pulled in. Next minute, I had a
knife on my throat as I had the car window down.
Begged the young guy to rethink his actions. He pulled

(01:07:38):
the knife away from my throat. I floored the car,
drove up the road, but then stopped and I thought,
screw this. Guy drove back and ran him over, then
got out of the car and pounded his head until
blood squirt it out, and some said that's enough. Found
out that he had stepped a person leaving the golf club. Holy,
so I was happy with maction. See that would be

(01:07:59):
on the side of you would not get any protection
from doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
No, if you've gone a reasonable force, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Running the guy down with a car probably going to
be considered unreasonable force, a little bit too far, maybe, Yeah, Calton,
what's your story?

Speaker 28 (01:08:17):
I just wanted to say something for the little guy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 28 (01:08:24):
London had a very well, a good campaign about see something,
say something. It's basically, if you're in a situation, tell
somebody else who's bigger than you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
So so you see someone, you know, let's just say,
stealing something. Then you and you and you don't think
you're big enough to deal with that. Do you go, hey, hey, hey,
that guy's stolen something and then try and wrestle up
a posse or wrestle up someone that's big enough to
deal with it.

Speaker 28 (01:09:02):
I could front the guy first.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
And then calling some help. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's
a flip on it, because you know, as I said
earlier that it's very difficult. In the psychology as well,
researched that quite often when something happens, nobody steps in
because everybody's waiting for someone else to take the first move.
So I suppose even if you're not physically able to
do anything, at least you're taking a first move.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
Isn't it what I just seen?

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yeah, exactly, Shelton. Yeah, I was just your view.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
He was just clarifying.

Speaker 28 (01:09:38):
Illiterated what I was sort of saying. I mean, I've
worked in retail for fifty years. I've still be in
front of shopping cards that people are trying to just
push their way through.

Speaker 26 (01:09:53):
I wasn't big enough physically to handle that person, but
if I stood in front of their shopping trolley, they
either had to go over me or around me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
But you put yourself in harms way, Helton. You know, yep.
Sometimes that we're set well for you. Other times they
might just slam that trolley into into you and give
you a few punches to your head before anybody else
can help. And that's the danger. But thank you very
much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
It was to see it Say It Sorted campaign that
I remember over in the UK, so that again, so
see it Say It Sorted Sorted, And it was kind
of counter and terrorism though R situation. Okay, yes, yeah,
Pressures are told that if something didn't look right that
they should tell staff. It seems like an obvious one,
doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
But I think yelling and screaming that someone's doing something
is probably a good thing. Pointing it out something you
can do from a distance, right, Yeah, and then and
maybe the person that is up to it, or the
numbers of people that are up to helping out, will we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Jump in rob you tackle a guy in a supermarket.

Speaker 6 (01:10:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a few years ago.

Speaker 15 (01:10:59):
So I've been working at supermarkets or sixteen or seventeen years,
maybe tweenty years actually, and I see shop that thing
go on all the time, and the majority of the time,
I there's nothing which you can do about it at the
start for handling it. And I've always thought that, you know,
it's just not worth it. But one day I was

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in the in the middle of the day and I
was actually getting I was in the store doing the job,
and I was getting a few groceries as well, and
instead of standing in the waiting to express checkout. There's
a lot of older people in the middle of the day,
and there's a big commotion going on just outside and
the sort of the fore court just outside the you know,
the exit of the Spirits checkout, and two blokes, one
of the staff and this other guy had a steel

(01:11:42):
pole each I think it was the poles had been
pulled out of a display and they were battling the
hell out of each other and smashing stuff. And they
got into the special the flower display out and a
lot of old people were quite scared. There's glass flying
and buckets and and a lot of old people on
zimmer frames. They couldn't get out of the way, and

(01:12:03):
I thought, so I just walked straight up to them
and just put him in the headlock and just slammed
him on the ground with my body on top of
him and sort of knocked the air out of him,
and he just calmed down straight away. What would happened
was his skirlfriend had been shoplifting and they've been caught,

(01:12:25):
and so he was. He was, And I've seen it
one hundred times before. They take offence being caught. So
they start caught, calling that, you know, the store racist
and you know capitalists and every name under the sun.

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
You tore me. It's not my fault. I'm hungry.

Speaker 15 (01:12:40):
But a actual fact was they weren't even stealing food.
It was the stealing stuff to sell to buy drugs.
But I sat on this guy for a while and
they had a bit of a chat to him, and
I didn't didn't punch him and beat him up.

Speaker 16 (01:12:55):
On like that.

Speaker 15 (01:12:56):
I just just just had him in the headlock and
he couldn't go anywhere. And the security guard was down there,
and I said to them, what do you want to do?
He says, I just let him go, mate, there's something
we can do. The cops won't come, even.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Even though even though they've been smashing stuff up in
the store.

Speaker 15 (01:13:12):
Yeah, yeah, but look, we just we got his photo.
We're just being from the store. The police won't be
here today. They might be here tomorrow, slip and go,
and so that's just a point. Yeah, if you calm down,
you know. And he said, just let me know. And
he then because I let him go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Did did did anyone have a word to you about
the force that you would used?

Speaker 15 (01:13:39):
Some old blakes is to you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
That was good, So you were celebrated a little bit,
But what about what about the you know, the supermarket
and and you know cke co workers, No one said anything.

Speaker 15 (01:13:51):
No, it was just like it happens every day in
South Autend. It does guctually happen every day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Did you hear back from the cops. Did they get
in touch with you to make a statement or anything.

Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
No, no, nothing.

Speaker 15 (01:14:01):
No, he just got up and run for it, and
he's probably gonna hit another supermarket.

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
That was easy at the other But do you think
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Worth would you think it was worth it to get involved?

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Rob?

Speaker 15 (01:14:14):
Well, at the time, it's like you say, it's just
it's just anoughty that the people were frightened.

Speaker 6 (01:14:20):
And there's something I can do about it. You know,
you're a hero, right I shot from this day.

Speaker 15 (01:14:25):
It's like three years later I pulled them attendance and
the you know, because I'm sixty plus. Yeah, and so
every time I put the seat but on reminds me
of that day.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Yeah. Well, in my eyes, you're a hero, Rob.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
He should have at least got a discount at the
supermarket in question, you know, stop the crime and in motion.
But that's that, you know, that's part of the problem. Right,
As Rob said, he's got to let the guy go
because the police aren't going to turn up that day,
and the police have got a lot to do. When
he goes down and knocks over another supermarket, makes it
even more important that good members of society who can
step up and tackle people who are stealing, they do

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that at the next supermarket.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
I was first on the scene, says the text, when
the America's cup got smashed, and thought of all these
things about excessive force. The guy had a stitchhammer. I
couldn't could have used a bigger crowbar, but at the
end of the day was smashing up a carp and
I didn't want to get in trouble for excessive force.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
I mean, as much as we love.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
The America's carp, a sledge hammer to America's carp is
a lot better than a sledge hammer to your head.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was given a heapseat guy right, oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call
it is eight minutes to three, the issues that affect
you and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
News Talks THEB. It is five to three. So if
you had the last hour and fifty minutes of conversation,
but the citizens arrest powers they have been expanded, and
if you are in a situation where you may need
to intervene, here's what you need to know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
What is actually a citizen's rest. It's when someone who
isn't a police officer arrest another person for committing or
having committed an offense under the Crimes Act. That covers
everything from theft, burglary to assault at the police. They
do not intervene if it may put you or others
in harms way. In most situations, they believe it's safest
that you call one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
So staying safe. If you do intervene, you need to
be sure you've got the right person. Have reasoned the
more on probable grounds to believe a Crimes Act defenses
it has occurred. Clearly, tell the person you're making a
citizens arrest and holding them for police. Call one one
one as soon as practicable, and follow whatever direction the
police give, ask the cooperation, avoid using force unless it's
genuinely necessary, and even then the minimum requires do not

(01:16:31):
question the person and do not suitch them or their belongings.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Yeah, and the legal protections and their limits. The Crimes
Act sets out different tiers of protection depending on the situation.
It's worth understanding these they aren't the same as being
a police officer a sixtion thirty five becovers catching someone
in the act. You're justified and arresting them without a warrant,
meaning not guilty of any offense and not liable to
civil proceedings. So that was confusing all at the end there.

(01:16:56):
But yeah, you're responsible for the detained person's welfare until
the police arrive. Ye, and no undue force.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
So if you want to be a hero, that's what
you need to know. Yeah, these new powers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Yeah, in my opinion, people that intervene our heroes. We
need them in society and we need to celebrate them
more So. If you can safely execute a citizen's arrest,
in my opinion, you're a good citizen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
A great discussion coming up after three o'clock when it
comes to dating, who should make the first move? Oh,
eight hundred eight, ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News
Talk said.

Speaker 17 (01:17:46):
Be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Very very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.
It is six past three. It's a very interesting story.
Bumble one of the most popular dating apps in the world,
is abandoning one of the dating apps defining features, that
is the rule that female users can make the first move.
So this is after finding twods of its female users

(01:18:09):
no longer want that particular pressure. So the app that
launched in twenty fourteen is a more female friendly alternative
to Tinder, and it was built around giving women control
over who they contacted. But they say changing dating habits,
user fatigue and falling engagement have forced them to rethink
its approach and now allow the male users to make
the first move.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Yeah, so that was its thing, wasn't it. So it's
not going to be a bunch of pesti dudes hast
than you. Yep, the woman flicked through and they they
reach out first, right, yes, coreat, But it turns out
that's not what woman wants. No, So initially that's what
they thought they wanted, and women said that's what they wanted,
but actually they preferred the option for men to make

(01:18:53):
a move.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
They didn't want the pressure, and that is quite damning.
Sixty six percent two thirds of their female users say
where do I like this anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
You know, it started off okay, maybe but it's too
much pressure. Maybe a little bit more going back to
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
It does seem a bit crazy that you're just saying
that men are so disgusting and horrible that you don't
want them to be able to reach out first, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
And he's kind of slamming most of you users.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
So it seems women said when they were asked that
they wanted to be the ones that made the first move,
but in actuality, when it came to the approaching, that
discovered over a few years that that they wanted to
be approached. So we want to talk about who approaches
who in your life. Did your man approach you or
did you approach him? Or if you are single, do

(01:19:37):
you want to be approached or left alone? Not just
on apps?

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Do people want to be approached in bars anymore? And
if you're a man, do you do you feel comfortable
approaching woman in this day and age because it's not
as celebrated as it once was. You used to be
really celebrated. The person that went up and seared, can
I get you a drink?

Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
He came here?

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Of do you go here? Off?

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
And can I get you a drink? No one liked
anyone that talked.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
About not one of that voice. Maybe that's where it
started to go wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Yeah, I approached my fiance.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Did you? So you made the first move? I mean,
is that the first move? If you sidle up and
you get into a conversation with the lovely Tracy at
a bar, is that you making a first move at
that point or it's just kind of testing the waters.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
It's just a conversation at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
But if no one, it's a sad world of people.
And this is what people are saying that it's it's
a sad world now where no one, you know, men
don't know if they want to where they're allowed to
approach woman, and women sometimes wonder why no one's approaching them. Yeah,
And of course that's the difference between being creepy and

(01:20:41):
and you know, just doing a.

Speaker 8 (01:20:45):
What's the word for it, a respectful appreciation of someone
or respectfully saying that you're interested in the person.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah. But if you are one of the women out
there in the in the dating game where you have
been recently and you get sick of too many guys
coming up to you asking you to buy drinks and
being a bit pisty, then isn't it up to you
to then make the approach. You take that power back
to a flag flag most of you guys that come
up to me, I'll be the one if I see
someone who I like the look of I'll be the
one to go up and say, hey, how you doing?

(01:21:16):
If you want to drink?

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
I was talking to a mate who owns a bar,
and he said that the dating apps have ruined bars
because it used to be that groups of people would
go out and then they'd mingle. And now what happens
is groups of people go out and they just stay
in their in their own bubble, and you know, if
they're going to date someone, then they're swiping away on
their on their apps. Right, So bars aren't anymore that

(01:21:40):
that same place where you know, a dude would go
up and say, hello, how are you? Yah, you're having
a good time. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm tyler. You know, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
I had to do that a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
You got shut down a lot, yeah, and rightly, so, yeah,
you weren't offering much, not at the time. I had
to learn a lot, but you know I got over
the line eventually. And that's the story. Tenacity, keep trying
and maybe make the first move. But is it right
for the guy to always do that? Great to do
it if you can, you know and accept that you

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have to work.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
On your offering, right, Yes, Rejection is a part of life,
and I think that's important. Is that when I started
in the dating game. Why it's coming back to me,
But look, I've faced a lot of rejection, but I
got there in the end, and that was important because
with every no, if every rejection you find a few
years along, you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Can face rejection rejection withouting a deck about it, yes,
and just thinking, Look, I just need to, as I said, before,
improve my offering. I need to become someone yeah, or
you know, become funnier, yeah, or whatever it is to
improve your offering to a perspective partner. And that's a

(01:22:52):
good thing, right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Would have thought, so, yeah, what do you say, though,
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty when it comes
to dating, who should make the first move? Who made
the first move in your particular relationship? And is it
starting to change females out there listening? Is it more
important now for you to make that first move? Tell
us about it? Is twelve past three listening to Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams youth talk said be forty bars three.

(01:23:13):
So the rules of dating seems to have changed back
to what was seen as traditional bumble. We've had to
make some changes Traditionally that apps started with the proviso
that women were the only ones allowed to make the
first move, But they've had to ditch there because sixty
six percent of their female clients said they no longer
liked the precious. So in your view, who should make
the first move? Who made the first move in your relationship?

(01:23:34):
One hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Because the whole site was set up by a Whitney wolf,
wasn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
And that was the simple room woman message first. That
was the sales point of Bumble, Overtender and the other ones, Right, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
And that's how they saw massive growth initially, but they
had to revert that. Yeah, nineteen nine two is text Wendy,
what's your view?

Speaker 29 (01:23:56):
No, I think the male should make the first move,
Yet the guy should make the first mode. Go back
to old fashioned veluos and it's more natural, I think,
you know, yeah, I just think that it's it's more
special if a guy asked the woman out, but he
has to be prepared to, you know, for the woman

(01:24:18):
to say no, but hopefully she says it. You know,
I sort of like you're going to have to have
that compatibility. That's what I'm trying to get at.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
So if a guy start startles up, right, let's just say,
I don't know where it is and asks you out
on a date, Wendy, and and you sort of say
no that should he give up?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
That I'll be polite.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Yeah, And should he give up? Or should he?

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
You know?

Speaker 27 (01:24:50):
Yeah, that's it is.

Speaker 29 (01:24:54):
It's like, you know, it's like anything in life. You
just got to keep going until you're find the right
the right person for you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Are you open to a grand romantic gesture, Wendy?

Speaker 29 (01:25:10):
That old session parents, you know, they met after you know,
after the war, and there was some romance and sparks
between them, and they did things the right way, you know,
they took it slow, they had dinner out and they
got to know each other and you know, and that's

(01:25:32):
it was great because then then they ended up having me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
And what about you? What about you, Wendy?

Speaker 29 (01:25:38):
Have you found the right I haven't finally found the
right guy yet. Go lock them, But I think that
that's you know, the initial If you like someone, you've
got to got to try, you know, I s if
you if you got the same values and you know
there's an attraction to give it a go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
I think what some mistake men are making when they
approach you, Wendy, what's going wrong?

Speaker 29 (01:26:06):
I actually think that you know how you're talking about
the apps and everything like that for dating, and so
I think men have actually lost the ability to actually
reach out and actually have a conversation with a woman
normal And I don't mean and I think maybe the
woman have done the same, you know, because it's really

(01:26:26):
hard to connect. Like you were saying before, you know,
you used to be going to the pub or something
and meeting that way. But but now people whatever reason,
they're not joining that and they've gone. You know, digital
doesn't always mean that it's going to be a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
It's our source, isn't It's our source. One of the
most important things about humanity to big tech basically.

Speaker 29 (01:26:50):
And yeah, because you're going to want to be with someone,
you're going to want to be with them in a
human way, not not on a digital phone.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
And also just swiping someone away basically on a few
superficial things as opposed to maybe that maybe that person
comes up, they've got a bit of a bit of
humor and over time you get to know them and right,
and you know, that's what.

Speaker 29 (01:27:16):
My mom was dead for.

Speaker 7 (01:27:18):
You know.

Speaker 29 (01:27:19):
He was a bit of a hard case. I'll tell
you a bit of a story, just short ones. And
our mom said she fell in love with was dead
when they were having dinner out, you know, it was
at the Iris.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
And yeah and dead.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
You know.

Speaker 29 (01:27:33):
He could be a little bit clumsy at times, and
he spilled a bit of tomato sauce on her and
she laughs on purpose that she could handle anything.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
So it wasn't a ployee accidentally spent spilt the tomato sauce.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
It wasn't a ploy I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
It could have been to strategy, just someone you like,
spraying with sauce and then see how they react, so
well move if they get too precious about it like
this isn't the one for.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
That for Wendy's parents, Wendy, thank you very much for
your calls. So are you with Wendy do you think
it should go back to what would be considered traditional
decades past that it was up to the man to
make the first move or have we moved beyond that?
If you are someone who's in the dating game at
the moment and your female, is it more important than
you make the first move?

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
I mean we can all remember, right the first time
we asked someone out on a date. Oh God, I
mean I remember at the first girl I asked on
on date. I was so terrified. Yeah, the whole night
before I couldn't sleep. I'm going to do it. God
damn it. I'm going to do it at the bus stop.
I don't care what happens. So I'm just going to
go for it. And did you do it? I did?

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Yeah, how to go?

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
I'll tell you next?

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
All right, that's a good tease. Twenty parts three, Beck
of the Moke.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on yous Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Twenty two past three. Wendy's getting a lot of love
for a single lady out there, Guys. I could listen
to Wendy all day. Shears go get her back on?
How do I get a hold of Wendy? So yeah,
there's a few people trying to take their shot. We
can hook you guys up if that's what you're into.
This one says, this.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Is a discussion on dating. We're not running a dating app,
are we.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
I just thought we could help Wendy out. She seemed
like a good laugh.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
We'll see if she comes back. But aren't we trying
to encourage people to go up and talk to them?

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Rather s not Matchmaker Hour.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
We're not solving the problem big tech if we just
take over all right, matching people here?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
All right, you're on your own, Wendy, Sorry about that.
Other sticks are sears from Maureen. Wendy suggests we should
go back to old fashioned and men approaching woman. We're
gonna be on the table when I get home. Will
her father pay for the wedding? I think that's a
bit but far now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Tyler, Yes, you feigned interest in my story about that.
I tell you before the break, and then we get
here and you're talking about something else.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
I was just going to ask about that. I just
wanted to get a couple of ticks to talk about Wendy.
So now set the scene, Matt, So this is going
back to is this the very very first girl that
you asked out?

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
The very first girl that I asked out, not the
first girl I cast, but the first girl I asked out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Oh hey, well I hang on, okay, we'll go back
to the stories.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
How old were we?

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
I reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I was thirteen, Okay, I guess yep, that's about And.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
So I felt incredibly in love, like so painfully in
love with this young lady. She came from another school,
and as soon as she walked in, I was like, oh,
my goodness, that's the one, and then trying to do
everything I could to walk out of the class at
the same time as her. All these kind of things.
Went to a co ed school. Anyway, I decided to
ask her out on a date. And I don't know why.

(01:30:35):
I just got in my head that I had to
ask her out, and I got obsessed with it and
then and then so finally I just went up to
her and I sort of started talking to her. So
we've become friends and different classes and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
You know, that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Yeah, And you know completely what is it? Nefarious reasons?
You know, I'd made the effort to end up in
lab groups and all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
You know, as a young lad, does you know you
try and screw the scrum in your favor in that department,
fake toll.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Rolled ankle and gym, so I could sit side of
that kind of thing, okay. And then I went up
to her and I still at the bus, and I
knew when her bus was coming to get her, and
when she was going to jump on the bus, and
I was I could see that it was coming, and
I was like, oh, the tensions on. So finally I
just blurted out, I said, Jenny, do you want to
other movies with me? You want to be my girlfriend?

Speaker 20 (01:31:21):
Like that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
And then the bus turned up and she sort of
looked at me strangely and just gone on the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Didn't say anything.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
She didn't say anything, oh mate, And she was going
into the distance and she took off on the bus
up to Maldi Hill. And there was a long night
for me back on the back on the farm.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
This's intentstive moment until school the next day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
And then she came up to me and then she
was like, oh, and we were just dating after that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Oh, So there was no confirmation, It was just no,
there was an implicit confirmation that you didn't know about it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
So she never confirmed it, but just we started behaving
like that, and then we went out from when we
were thirteen two when we were like twenty one or something.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
So right, Yeah, it was like a childhood sweetheart situation. Yeah,
well see that is a cute story, mate. There was
never confirmation. Did you think you're almost overplayed it? So
I think I've.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Littered it out so loudly and weirdly at the bus stops,
so so many people could hear it. It was, and
I think maybe that was she. She went home and
you stated on it and then came back and said, oh, ye.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Think guy's got some guts. Yeah, I'll give it a go. Yeah,
that's a great story. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Who is the important gender
to reach out first or to make the first move
in a dating relationship. The stickster sees men or woman
be polite and respectful, but definitely shoot your shot if
you're interested in someone, at least you gave it a
go and can walk away knowing you're a good human

(01:32:47):
about it. Data and relationships like, I can't actually read
that part. The more you put into it, the more
you get out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Well, the thing is right that you know just as
you say, get used to failure and get used to
dealing with shame. There's no shame here. Are someone out?
They say, no, that's oh, I'll tried. Yep, you know
who knows why they? You know's right? It helps if
you know you have something in common, says this text.
It worked for me as we were both married. Okay,

(01:33:14):
we'll now be married to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Yes, when you said had something in common, I wasn't
expecting that, but hey, if it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Worked, well, you have in common? Is your your wedding wings?

Speaker 6 (01:33:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Right, taking your calls eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Who made the first move in your relationship? And do
you think it is starting to change? This is on
the back of Bumble, the very very popular app. They've
abandoned their original premise of women making the first move
because women don't want to do that anymore. So have
times changed? If you're on the dating game, what is
the situation? A situation like for you? Tell us about
It's nine two ninety two. If you want to send

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Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Raylean Professor Scott Galloway, whose a American podcaster in Profisa. He
hid this to Saya on the subject.

Speaker 30 (01:35:14):
Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four have
never asked a woman out in person. I think that
no man wants to be that guy. One of the
key things I think dads have to teach their sons
is how to express romantic interests while making the other
person feel safe. In addition, I hold big tech responsible
for a lot of this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
It used to be the sex sells.

Speaker 30 (01:35:36):
Now we found out the algorithms found something better, rage
and divisiveness. But they're trying to convince young men who
have quite frankly less evolved prefrontal cortex the gas on
gas off. But why go through the hassle of making
expressing friendship in the hierarchy of friends when you have
discord and read it? Why go through the hassle putting
on a tie trying to fig navigate all of this

(01:35:56):
when you think you can trade stocks or crypto on
coinbased robin hood? And why, Savannah, would you go through
the humiliation, the effort, and the cost of approaching a
strange woman when you have lifelike.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Porn Yeah, it's it's kind of a depressing situation.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
It's astonishing stat forty percent of young men have never
asked a woman out on a date. Out, Girard, how
are you.

Speaker 25 (01:36:19):
God, Thank you gentlemen.

Speaker 28 (01:36:21):
Matt Tyler.

Speaker 20 (01:36:23):
Yes, I've never asked a lady or a girl out
on a date in my life like that professor was
talking about eighteen to twenty five. Yeah, you're reserved as
a young adolescent, you know. I was brought up with
eight sisters, you know, And you think you get.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Pretty good at talking to me, You think you get
pretty good at talking to ladies, Gerard, under that situation.

Speaker 20 (01:36:50):
I'm very respectful towards woman, always have me all my life.
But the beauty of a special person like my wife.
She took my hand after Candrey bet the Tago at
lanc To Park, we went to the pub. I wasn't

(01:37:11):
interested in her. I liked her as a friend, but
she took my hand and we've been together ever since
for forty three years. And I'm stoked. And I never
approached any woman for a date, you know, like or
anything in my life. They gravitated towards me. And that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
And so when your wife to be took your hand.
What did you say at that point? She reached down,
she grabbed your hand? Did did you lock eye? In
the gener conversation made.

Speaker 20 (01:37:41):
She said, let's go to your place, and I drove
the home. We sat by the fire, had a drink,
No hanky panky, nothing, because I.

Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
Don't force or push.

Speaker 20 (01:37:55):
Myself onto woman and never have. But and it's mutual respect.
You've got to find this friendship, this respect early, and
once that love hits you, it touches you and your
brain and heart and it sticks there. And that's my
honest opinion about love. Fainn in love. You know, forty

(01:38:21):
three years is a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Yeah, yeah, And you know so if she'd never grabbed
your hands.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Would you never have made a move?

Speaker 25 (01:38:31):
No, No, I would a light to But how.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Long do you think she was waiting for you to
make a move before she made the move? Could have
been weeks, months, years.

Speaker 20 (01:38:44):
No, I'd say it would have been about six months.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Six months. You're lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
So you had hold of her heart and she was
just going to rugby with you, going to these things
and just thinking I want to if you make a move,
and then she's finny said, you know what I'll make
the move.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:38:59):
She touched my hand on my leg and I just
felt this leg. Yeah, yeah, I had my hand on
the leg yep, and she'd just reached ove and put
her hand on the top of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
And what was your first thought?

Speaker 20 (01:39:14):
I just thought, this is love.

Speaker 28 (01:39:16):
This is love.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
You must have been a strapping lad back in the day, Gerard.

Speaker 20 (01:39:21):
I'm not the best looking guy. I know, not at all.
I don't regard himself.

Speaker 6 (01:39:26):
As that a looker.

Speaker 20 (01:39:28):
But they seen something on me. All this women approached me.
It's seen something, mate, you know, like, yeah, that's what
I believe, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Yeah, oh, good on, Gerard. That's the romantic power of
provincial rugby as well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Exactly, the hot bit of romance. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the nuble to call Craig. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 25 (01:39:52):
Gerard just touched my heart there?

Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
Yeah yeah, what a gentleman. Seriously.

Speaker 25 (01:39:58):
Yeah, so yeah, I actually made a comment to your
producer because he said, so what are you trying to say?
And I said, well, actually God did by my wife,
which was probably a bit robustaed like, yeah, well I

(01:40:21):
would have been okay with that too. Nothing like them
from the woods board. But yeah, I just didn't expect it,
Like I sort of I've talked to a couple of
women and nothing serious going on, and this woman just
kept annoying me. And I was pretty much at the

(01:40:44):
point like I had a marriage and a divorce and
it was like, yeah, I'm just gonna keep on doing
the single meeting and this amazing lady just kept dan
staying in contact with me and we went on a
few dates. And then six months later, you know, I
sort of hadn't really done anything about it, and then

(01:41:08):
kind of got a hey, you want to catch up
and we did and it was like, oh, mate, blown away,
just to actually have a woman sort of Actually, it's
hard to describe care about you, think about you, and

(01:41:33):
have a conversation about you, about the things that you
talked about months earlier. I do think that that's deeper
than just talking to somebody in the pub. So yeah,
for me, that's a twelve month sorry, twelve years. We've
been married now, we've bought run our fourth house, and

(01:41:54):
we're you know, we're actually loving our life together.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
So that's so good. Yeah, and so you know, so
the apps wouldn't have worked for you guys, you know,
like you know that everyone's on the apps. Do you
think that people are missing out thing by by trying
to find love on on Tinder and bumble and such
a look?

Speaker 9 (01:42:13):
Possibly?

Speaker 25 (01:42:15):
I mean the first time, the first time that I
sort of realized that I, as you, had a bit
of a spark for this girl, was a red bull
downhill and I crashed it and burned in front of her,
pulled my helmet off, half broken.

Speaker 6 (01:42:28):
And us smile.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
That's pretty romantic.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
Yeah, that's pretty romantic.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
That's pretty That sounds like a you know, romantic comedy
type situation right there.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
Craig.

Speaker 25 (01:42:40):
Oh, well, hey, I guess big down, I'm a romantic.
But it took me six months to realize that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Oh good on you. Thanks for sharing, Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Yeah, great story, Thank you very much. O. One hundred
and eighty ten eighty. So what do you reckon? Who
is or who should make the first move when it
comes to dating? Should it be the man or should
the ladies step up as well? What do you reckon
who made the first move in your relationship?

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
As this person is asking was gared from that company?
You with Gerard and your roofers looking good, good, question.
Maybe because if he's with that and the John Rowles situation,
then no wonder someone was grabbing his hand.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
It all makes sense now right back in the moment
is twenty Wonder four.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
It's a fresh take on Talk Back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons, have your say
on eight hundred talks.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
And there's eighteen to four and we're talking about who
makes the first move when it comes to dating men,
women or other. This is on the back of Bumble
having to change their original remit that was allowing women
only to make the first move on the app, but
they found that women don't like that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Adam sees women are too fussy, so it's easier to
just have a cat in some classic cars.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
All right, Okay, just.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Give it up, give up.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
It's not a bad life having the classic cars and
a couple of cats.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Enough enough cats and you might attract a woman. Yeah, exactly, Mikayla,
how are you good?

Speaker 9 (01:44:01):
And my relationship was my husband. He made the first
move and I fell for him and then we sort
of chased it out a bit, but we had a
fabulous life.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
How did talk us through that first move? Mikayla. What
did he do?

Speaker 9 (01:44:20):
Well? He he used to come into the tap when
I was there, and I'd just be gazing around looking
at the horses to take and he'd always turn up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
And what did he do? Did he come over? Did
he stiddle over to you and say? Can I buy
you a drink? Can I Can I take a punt
with you on the horses?

Speaker 13 (01:44:44):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:44:46):
No, I can remember he he said, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
You know?

Speaker 9 (01:44:52):
Later on? Would you like me to? He said, I'm
going to have a few drinks at my plate. And
I was invited and I took along some several OIDs
and he his mother was there, and he said, wasn't
that nice of to bring us some food? And I

(01:45:13):
just seemed to please. And then after that he sort
of played chase. He chased me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
Severals are a very romantic form of sausage.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
He doesn't like us.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
I love a sausage as long as I don't split open.

Speaker 9 (01:45:26):
Yeah, I like them, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
And how long you been married for Mchaela?

Speaker 9 (01:45:32):
Well he died he was eighty two, Oh so good?

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
Yeah yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:45:40):
And oh yeah, so I'm on my own now with
my cat.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
Oh and how long ago is that that that he
passed Mickaylor.

Speaker 9 (01:45:50):
Now let's see last year.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Oh, thank you so much for calling and bringing in
with your story. And that sounded like a very romantic man.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Sounded like a great man. Eighties and number to call.
Plenty of ticks coming through as well. On N two.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
One lacks confidence and income when one is an adolescent.
I mean, I remember at university there was a lot
of these thirty year old guys that seemed to be
have a bit of money.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
A bit more suave, a bit more confidence, a bit
more pep.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
You're a zitlly little wounder. You're up against it flattering around.

Speaker 6 (01:46:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
Should we have a Chatworth Andrew? Andrew, you want to
talk about a data pickup line?

Speaker 28 (01:46:34):
Yes, yeah, Well you see, I'm I've got a few
mates that are on all these websites and they're just
a swamp. Absolutely, yes, of disaster. But it's nineteen eighty six.
I'm living over in Perth. The America's cups on. I'm
an underwater panel beater and I'm sharing a fleet with
three nurses about one hundred and fifty meters away from

(01:46:54):
the best beach in Perth. And these nurses, they're all
social of Perth. Something that's busy. I met a pub
with talking to this girl and she's asking me about
pick up lines. And I was operating on back then,
you know, rather than five. I probably still him now,
but she she said, what would you pick up line B.

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
For a girl?

Speaker 28 (01:47:15):
And I never really picked up what she was sort
of coming up to, but I said, I don't know.
I think I think I have to I have to
get another some hell. I might sort of just eccidentally
spill a glass of water or something on her and said, geez,
I'm really sorry about the head. I'll have to get
your number. I'll get it all dry train. You give
me your telephone number, and she sort of laughed, and
we carried on a sort of present evening a whole

(01:47:37):
group of friends. About three nights later, there's a knocking
at the door of this flat and one of the
girls gets up and goes to the front door, and
she comes back and she says she's got this big
bunch of flowers. And I was looking at this, thinking, gee,
and the lovely a bunch of flowers for following the girls,
And she said to me, look Andrew.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
Leader for you.

Speaker 28 (01:47:54):
Wow, really cracking and there's a card attest to them,
and the guy happened at the card and said, dear Andrew,
I thought this was better than a drink down the front.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
He's my number.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
What a lady, What a lady.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
It's alutely awesome, bold, romantic move. And how did that
had a turn out? And how much rooming did jay
from the midnight?

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
We went out.

Speaker 28 (01:48:12):
We went out for quite some time. I came back
to back to exit. Well, we went out for quite
a while. I came back to New Zealand. A bit
of a tragic accident she was involved, and some time
later I had a tail iPhone or not a tailor
line called a leader from one of the flat mates,
and she'd been killed in a carriage, which which is
a damn same. But but on onto the next sort

(01:48:33):
of stage of my life. I'm twenty three and I
met up again with a girl i'd first meet when
I was about fifteen fourteen or fifteen, and again dial up,
not not via the I IDENTI I was very keen
on it. But I introduced to Ann, a beast mate
at the time, and they ended up going out for years.
And I'd been back from Australia for about six or

(01:48:55):
seven months and I ran into her again. They'd breaken
up at some stage and the time that I was
away and I had to tell a phone call from
here asking if if I were partner here to a
an engagement party for some friends of his. I say, yeah, absolutely,
and long story short, we've been married now for thirty
five years and strong.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
Wow.

Speaker 28 (01:49:18):
So I'm all for the I'm a great advocate of
girls making the girls making the first move, but certainly
weak for me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
It's a great story. Just one question for you. What
is an underwater panel beater?

Speaker 28 (01:49:30):
Oh, there's a whole different story an underwater The Australians
have got great nicknames for everything. I actually went over there.
I didn't even know the Americans cops on. I just
come back from overseas and somebody just shoot over the
walls over the Perth. It's going to be going off
this America's Cup thing and everything. So I thought I'll
go over there for a month or two. I went
over there, traveled around. I went up north West Australia

(01:49:52):
and came back down and anyway, I met these these
girls and they were these nurses. They were looking for
a flat mate, and I just I was twenty twenty
years old, just coming up twenty one, and I just
thought I'd be a mud if I went home and
didn't take this opportunity. And I thought, I've got to
give myself a job, something that gives me a little
bit of flexibility. Now what I'm going to do? I

(01:50:14):
cast around, I walked into the shirt and the hotel.
I got a job as a pot scrubber in a
red the River room at the Shirton Hotel, also known
There's Another Water.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
Very clever.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Yeah, yeah, that is classic, Michael. What's your story?

Speaker 21 (01:50:34):
Yes, I can go back almost forty four years. I
went to this function this night with some fellas and
young farmers and we met up with another group of
young farmers in Amrou and we were an Asperton at
the time. And anyway, I seen this young lady sitting

(01:50:55):
over on her own when all the other ones went
up and dancing. So I got myself around the other
side a bit and I popped the question and said
to would you like to have this dance? She said,
I can't dance. I said I can't either, but I
could teach you.

Speaker 6 (01:51:08):
We'll get a go.

Speaker 4 (01:51:09):
She says, okay.

Speaker 21 (01:51:10):
So that was fine, and then come back to the
seat and she said, do you want to drink? And
I says, well, what she made the first move or
second move? And I said right, oh, so went up
and got a drink. It was not both of them
were no alcohol. And by the end of the night
she was a farmer's daughter and I was a farmer's son.
By the end of the night, she asked me it
was I did on the next Saturday. She got them

(01:51:31):
before I did.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
That's brilliant, right, I said, yep.

Speaker 21 (01:51:35):
And I didn't tell her I was going to the
same place where she was going, because I went there
on the that was on the weekend before and the
following Sadday at Lincoln Plan match, the World Plan Match
at Lincoln in nineteen eighty. I didn't tell her I
was going there three days before that Wednesday, Thursday and
Friday with my parents and a couple of dad's mates.

(01:51:57):
And so we went on the Saturday, and so she
chased me, and I was quite airy to tag along.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
I beat you where Michael, that's a great story to
the EO plenty of teachs coming through A nine two
ninety two.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
Is this a romantic Do you find the sticks romantic.
I met my lady at a massage parlor. I picked
her up and she liked me. Thirty years married now,
cheers Steve. So you just never know find love in
all kinds of places.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
You certainly do.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
I love this topic. I'm a twenty one year old
guy and this gives me a lot of hope. You see,
if you're a twenty one year old guy, you've got
to go out there and give it a go. Yep,
listen to TIXT my daughter. This is from Sophia. My
daughter recently went to a speed dating event run by
Young Adults Youth Group, so apparently this is happening. They're
trying to get away from the apps because the apps
aren't getting what they need brilliant. Initially, more guys signed up,

(01:52:43):
so they put the call out for more girls. On
the night, everyone stood in two concentric circles, girls on
the inside on the outside. They had four minutes to
chat then rotate. My daughter said it was heaps of fun.
At the end of the night they had to write
down their top three guys or girls. The organizers would
put you in touch if there was a match. My
eighty six year old said, Mum said, she used to

(01:53:05):
do some of the things back in the fifties. It
seems like a great way to get pissed. And yeah,
I saw this thing. The analog ways of meeting people
are coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Yeah and good.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
So if you see that that person that you like,
just sidle line up and be charming and you know
what do you got to lose?

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Do you need to pick up line? I don't think
you need to pick up you say hi, you know,
I think your kid you could go with. Excuse me,
I saw you across the room and I thought you
were really gorgeous. It's creep No, that's not a creepy
Would that work on you? Didn't work on you?

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
Talk around the issue? Yeah, I was going you have
a good night. Why can you do?

Speaker 7 (01:53:42):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
What do you do? You do you? What are you drinking? Yeah?
Like boring?

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
Do you like beer? That kind of stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Yeah, week for you, right, begging.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
To the big stories, the big issues, the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons, News.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
There be is five to four as Texas says, I'm hot,
I know this, it's good text. I'm twenty five. I
go out, No guys come up. It's actually stupid. Just
come up and talk to me. I'm looking for a boyfriend.
No one ever comes up.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
There are fellers.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
That's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
That is sad twenty five year old who is self
proclaimed hot. She she wants she wants the fellows to
come up and shook your shot.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
All the peace people in the world think they're hot.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Nice dig see you get our guys. My father gave
me two pieces of advice. A faint heart never won
a fear lady and more women have been offended but
not asked by not asking than asking. Sheers from Doug.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Well, that's what's happening with this hot twenty five year old.
She's gone out being offended that you're not asking. Meanwhile,
you're too scared to ask. You just you know, you
don't have to be Just work out how to do
it respectfully. Yeah, you know, give it a shot, charming.
What's the worst that can happen? Yeah? Absolutely, all right,
that's the end of the show. Thanks so much for listening,
and thanks for all your fantastic calls and texts. The
Great Powerful hither To Selling is up next after four

(01:55:03):
She Tooks the residence of Pegus Pegasus, who's over the
moon about the redevelopment approach getting slapped down at fast track.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Hmm, interesting one of that Trichard deadly.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
But right now, Tyler, why am I playing this nineteen
ninety song by American rock band James Addiction.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
I don't know, Matt Heath. It's really testing me. But
i've heard this song before. I just don't know what
it's called.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
It's called Bean Caught Stealing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Oh okay, nicely played because we had a great shat
about citizens arrest and taking down a thief.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
We absolutely did. All right, you seem busy. We'll let
you go on, Matt Heath. That's Tyler Adams, and move
back live on your radio from tomorrow afternoon and we'll
be and give a taste a keyweed.

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