Full Show Podcast: 21 April 2026

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
The big Stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, News.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Talk sed B Afternoon to you, Welcome into Tuesday Show.
Really good to have you with us and thanks for
giving us a listen.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
You know, on the show yesterday we were talking about
I'm sure we were talking about Oh, that's right, we
were talking about Western men flying to other countries to
find wives.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
We're talking about.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Trade wives, right, yes, And I text my partner, I said,
do you want to be a trad wife, which means,
you know, do you want to give up your career
and stay at home?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
And that very brave, courageous and she.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Responded yes, Yeah, she was into it. But then last
night we were talking about it and she decided it
wouldn't be tenable because she would said, I'd get antsy
when I came home and she'd spent all the money
on all the money in the bank on clothes and
she goes just her cleaning regime, facial cleaning regime, whatever,
you know, her makeup and stuff is so depilitating, the

(01:19):
expensive that she needs spurning the money to pay for that.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
That's big of for her to admit. You know that
her outgoings are up there, so you know she couldn't
do that to your mate, she'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
A traad wife, but she thinks that I'd be a
dick about money. Is basically what we came back.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
With and fair enough to Yeah. Yeah, so that's done.
Now I'm still going to push for it. Yeah, keep going, mate,
keep going. You know you've sowed the seed and hopefully
it blossoms into what is effectively a traditional wife for you.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yeah, and potential bankruptcy for both of us.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Good luck with that. Right on to today's show, after
three o'clock Pucket owing our Bakery. They have brought back
the controversial, controversial rather horse meat pies after briefly removing
them earlier in the year due to food safety issues.
So the pies are based on the traditional top in
a dish, Lowe Horsey, that's how you say it. Lowe

(02:12):
Horsey has gone viral and we're in high demand. But
obviously it was pulled and now they are back because
I've found the one and only approved supplier in New
Zealand of genuine horse meat.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yes, horse meat, It's eaten in a lot of paces
in the world, but generally speaking, most Kiwis are't into it.
But we will eat lots of other kind of meat.
So what's the difference. What's the difference between cow meat
and horse meat?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Why?

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Why do many of us, including myself, draw the line
at horse meat? Will will eat, will eat cows, will
eat sheep, chicken, chicken, We'll it a kangaroo, yep, happily,
we'll eat a possum, wallibeat a rabbit, but we won't
need it. We won't, probably wouldn't. Most of us won't
eat dogs, horses, and for other reason.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Rats Yeah, I think rats are fair enough.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Why?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, but why? It's a great question. So where is
the line between what is ethical and okay for you
to eat in terms of meat?

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
What meat will you eat? And what meats won't you?
And how do you feel about horse meat? I think
it's a great subject to get to the bottom of.
After three pm, looking forward to your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Then after two o'clock. Tim Cook will step down as
CEO of Apple in September after leading the company since
twenty eleven, transitioning into the role of executive chairman while
longtime executive John Turnus takes over as CEO. It's fair
to say during Tim Cook's tenure as Apple's CEO, he
has been incredibly successful in terms of his achievements.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Absolutely, when Steve Jobs passed away, who was widely seen,
I mean he started the company with his mate visionary
and visionary and brought through the iPhone and was this
crazy guy that just whilled things into existence and was
just the design king. And when he left, everyone thought, well,

(04:00):
Apples screwed now, isn't it. But then Tim Cock has
taken the reins very steady, and by steady I mean
taking them from a country company that was worth three
hundred and eighty billion to four trillion, incredible, insane. It
passed one trillion in twenty eighteen for trillion dollar company.
And they've just just kept going and going and going.

(04:21):
So you got to say, Tim Cock, he's done a
good job as far as the CEO is concerned, isn't he?

Speaker 3 (04:27):
He certainly has.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
But what do you think about Apple products? Are you
a fan? Do you do you think they're too expensive?
Do you think they're just right? You know, what do
you think, Because there's some people that absolutely hate apple
products and won't have anything to do with them, and
there's some people like me that are tied into the
Apple ec system and there's no way out for us.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, that's right, once you're in your in. But looking
forward to your thoughts on that after two o'clock, because
right now, let's have a chat about the National Party.
Christopal Leuction has just address media following a three hour
long caucus meeting on the bank of reports some MPs
were dissatisfied with his leadership. He was flanked by Finance
Minister Nikola Willis and here's what he had to say.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
Kiwi's elected me to deal with the living, to get
our economy back, creating jobs and lifting incomes and improving
the education of our kids. That is what I came
to Parliament to do and that is what I will
keep doing. For the last week, there has been intense
media speculation about my leadership and about who said what
to whom. Today our caucus had a good, honest discussion.

(05:27):
Our team is more determined than ever to serve Kiwis
and to win the election. To put that media speculation
to rest. I moved a formal motion of confidence in
my leadership. That motion was past, confirming what I have
been saying. I have the support of my caucus as
their leader. Caucus has answered clearly and decisively, it has.

Speaker 7 (05:47):
Backed my leadership, and that matter is.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
Now closed and it won't be and I won't be
commenting further on it.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
Looking out at the world today, it is clear that
we are.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Living in uncertain and volatile times, and that underscores the
importance of strong economic management to steer New Zealanders through
this time and provide the security that they deserve. A
free press is important in a democracy. You give citizens
the chance to know the truth about their countries and
their governments and hold a leaders like me accountable.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
And I welcome that.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
But if the media want to keep focusing on speculation
and rumor, I am not going to engage. Kiwis expect
the media to ask us the tough questions about our policies,
hold us to account for our pledges to New Zealanders,
and to interrogate us about the things that matter to them.
They are not interested in this media plap opera everyday.

(06:38):
Kiwis will not be losing sleep over political slide shows
here in Wellington, they'll be thinking about their mortgage, their kids' education,
and the safety and security of their community. My message
to New Zealanders today, as it is every day, is
that I'm exclusively focused on fixing this economy and building
a better New Zealand for our children and grandchildren. The

(07:00):
future of our country and the pressures that Kiwi's face
in response to global uncertainty is just way too important.
I'm genuinely optimistic about music because this country has the talent,
we have the institutions for natural endowments, and most importantly,
the people to come through this and to build something remarkable.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
We've done it before and we'll do it again.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
So that is obviously the Prime Minister Christopher lux And
addressing reporters after that three hour long caucus meeting. He
didn't take any questions. He read his statement flank by
Nikola Willis and then took off. But I think he
said pretty clearly in that statement, this is the last
time I'm going to talk to you the media about
the speculation that has been running rampant.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, well, there's I mean, I don't think many people
would push back on this that the media have in general.
I mean, there's the media is there's lots to just say,
the media. The media don't get together in a room
and decide what they're doing, although some do, but you know,
the media has it hasn't been a friendly media environment

(07:58):
for lux And since he started, there was no honeymoon, yep,
that it almost immediately became competitive.

Speaker 8 (08:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
But Luxon for the longest time has said, and you know,
I've heard him say on a numb occasions, and I'm
paraphrasing here, basically politicians complaining about the media never gets
you anywhere. I've just got to get on with what
I think is what I need to do to run
the country, right, yep. But it seems like a change there,
doesn't it. He's saying he's going after the media yep,
and saying you're wasting everyone's time, essentially saying that you're

(08:30):
using gossip in rumor and in new window instead of
facts and telling people what they what they need to hear.
So that's definitely a change, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
It is a change.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
So does this make Luxeon's position stronger? Now? Has he
turned a corner? Do you think that this latest you know,
speculation around his leadership has actually sharpened his his focus
because does that work?

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:57):
We will it work? Making the you know, turning the
controversy back on the media.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
You're right, it's a different strategy. So keen on your thoughts.
So eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty you've just
heard his statement to the media after that three hour
hour long caucus meeting. He said basically he's sick of
the speculation and he's not going to buy into it
any more, instead focusing on what he says really matters
to everyday Kiwi's So do you like this new approach
from Christopher Larson? Is it going to work? And is

(09:23):
he right?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah? Well, guys, enjoy your show. I have one question.
If Stuart Smith is saying he never requested a meeting
with the PM, then how accurate is Thomas Coglan's original article? Yeah,
I mean there is a question how accurate it was
all of this? How real was this threat to Luckson's leadership.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Because you're relying on your sources, right, And Thomas Coglan,
I don't know the guy personally, but from what I've
read he seems to be somewhat well connected within Parliament.
But it all relies on the sources. And if people
are telling you on the backbench as these little whispers
and it's plain nonsense to try and stir up some dissatisfaction,
then I think that's a fair criticism. What do you say, though, oh,

(10:05):
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number nine
two nine two is the text will be back very
shortly to sixteen past one.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

Speaker 9 (10:17):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 10 (10:20):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Very good afternoon June nineteen past one. So we're talking
about Christopher lux and the Prime minister's response after the
three hour long caucus meeting. He mentioned just briefly in
that statement he moved a formal motion of confidence in
his leadership and has the entire caucuses backing. But he
also had a crank at the media. He says a
free press is important into democracy, but if the media
want to keep focusing on speculation and rumor, he will

(10:43):
not engage.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
This text says, listen to the way they ask the
questions of Christopher Luxen compared to how they talk to
other politicians. They seethed with hatred. You see it in
their faces. They've lost their minds in that Wellington media bubble.
It's high school behavior. What do they think their job
is impress their friends in their media bubble or inform
the public? Where is the balances? This text brilliant from

(11:05):
the PM. The political media and New Zealand are appalling.
We need to We need maturity and let's doing the job,
not the work experienced kids that focus on trivial bais
or clickbait reporting. Tony, welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (11:18):
Good afternoon, gentlemen. I think that I've only heard it.
I haven't seen it. I'd look forward to seeing in
the scene on the news. But he laid it out
just as it is. There was a petty grumbling from
five MP's, all of them electorate MP's. The last thing
it was ever going to happen was to sack any
of them, because that would be the by election clever

(11:40):
tactics by Lux and again he kept his calm. He
took his middle finger up to the media and said,
put up, oh, shut up, this is nonsense. The media,
in particularly the print media, are struggling badly. That the
Post in Wellington, formerly the Great Dominion has been just
simply put got to the level of being a Green

(12:03):
Party newsletter and it's printing pressing for Tony will be
closing down next year. They've just struggling too much. It's
worth a dollar that company, as you probably well know,
Siney Boushier Broughte the thing for a dollar off Fairfax
in Australia, and fairfaxs are the ones that owned the

(12:23):
printing press, so that stuff doesn't own any owns stuff.
But to a point, these five MPs will have to
go back to the electorates and seek selection for their
for the upcoming general election. They may or may not
get it barely up and encourage it. Have all had

(12:47):
their warning previously. They've all blotted their copy books previously.
I'm sure you're well aware or you immediately your aduced
team products certainly are Mooney and vander Molan's been there
for he might be on his third term and he's
actually done nothing. He's never got even close to cabinet.
So what is the caliber of the man and his

(13:09):
excuses is new? It is fresh and he came from Southland,
a bit too far away from the realities of rup
and tumble. Of Wellington.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Hang on a minute.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I think shots fired, Tony.

Speaker 12 (13:23):
I think.

Speaker 11 (13:26):
Laxon has shown his strength. He's not a bully. He
just said you knows it is and he on the
balls to standing in front of his caucus and say
I put a notice of motion about myself. What's going
to happen? We don't know what. We will probably never
know what the outcome of the vote was. If the
impact has had a vote, it was possibly passed on acclamation.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
So he put a vote of confidence to me and
himself in past obviously, But what do you think?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
So?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
So we do want a robust media, though, don't we, Tony.
We want we want a media that's not scared to
ask questions of those people in power. So what do
you what do you want from a media?

Speaker 11 (14:07):
I want them to ask questions to the government about
the policy they have for the future and the well
well the policy that's become reality in some cases already
in terms of dealing with issues, especially the crucifying position.

(14:29):
The last labor government left the country in financially. But
they are they're meeting.

Speaker 12 (14:34):
It, you know, right, we're not.

Speaker 11 (14:36):
So.

Speaker 12 (14:36):
I see you managed to hold inflation.

Speaker 11 (14:38):
Again this year.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
That is big news, So would you say. I was
just trying to think of how you did what what
what in the perfect world and the dream world, like
the idea that we have of the media. And it's
weird saying the media, as I've said before, because there's
so many different parts to it, right, Yes, these commercial
parts to it, this government owned parts of it, like
Aaron zed and such, multifestident so it's all different kind

(15:00):
of kind of avenues. But wouldn't it be something like
tell the people what's happening accurately and in con text
or something like that.

Speaker 11 (15:09):
Right in a perfect world, that's the way it would be.
But newspapers since the dawn of year, that.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Wasn't going to be.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
My next point, Tony, is that the opinion writers mainly
though Tony, because you mentioned a specific publication near the
Post formerly the Dominion. Arguably that comes down to the
opinion writers they push right, rather than the day to
day journalists.

Speaker 11 (15:31):
I don't know even the journalists serve bit dodging, you know,
they do put it well more, particularly in the Wellington
City Council, the journalists that the Post.

Speaker 13 (15:45):
I think that.

Speaker 11 (15:47):
The makeup of council is great and we really, really
should have cycle works. I mean, we've looked at a
particular changing slightly off topic, but we looked at why
Wellington's flooding. It's flooding because they can't get the bloody
moltarized brushes into the gotteress to clean them because of
bloody cycle works.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Do you think that Tony, just to go back to
the media, do you think that the people that consume
the media to blame as well? Because if you were
a media organization and you were just telling people what's
happened accurately and in context, do you think you get
many clicks? Do you think you'd stay in business if
there wasn't a little bit of sizzle, if there wasn't

(16:27):
a bit of sizzle in the mix.

Speaker 11 (16:29):
I don't have any problem with biased media, so long
as they are meant to being biased. I mean, everybody
knows that that great bastion of British newspapers and Manchester
Guardians was founded by and for the benefits of the
trade union movement.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's good to know everyone with an accent like you
were the Manchester Post for sometime, Tony.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, I mean I get your point. But the thing
in New Zealand is our country isn't big enough to
so you take say, for example, you know, the big newspapers,
they have to be for everyone because we can't have
a situation like we do you do in the UK
where you've got the Guardian. Everyone knows that the Guardian
is what the Guardian is, as you've got the Observer,
you've got the Spectator, all these things. These news organizations

(17:13):
there's a big enough market for them to cater to
their their particular leaning. But here you kind of have
to cater to everyone.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, you know, you know I think.

Speaker 11 (17:25):
I mean, you look at the chiefly in the political
editor that's great, you know. Energy Bunny absolutely, I don't
unless they even bother appearing today, but she took great
delight whenever Luxon gets into trouble, she's bouncing up and
down as if she's going to wet herself.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
She was friends and she was there. Don't worry about that,
thank you, Tony.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Yeah, we've got to go to the news. We don't
the new head lines.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
No, we play some messages. But thank you very much
for your thoughts, Tony. Very interesting. Do you agree with Tony?
Is there is that part of the reason why we're
losing trust in some of the media. And what is
as you said, Matt, what is the perfect media? What
do you want to see? How can they get that
balance right? Is it just a political gallery? And I
think there's some fear criticism for the egos involved in
their political gallery and how fizzed up they get by

(18:15):
the smell of their own crap.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
It's just And is there anything wrong with jumping up
and down like you're gonna weet yourself?

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, we will do it sometimes. It is twenty seven
parts one.

Speaker 9 (18:23):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 14 (18:28):
News already this week that the jet field crunch is
real in Europe. Back here in New Zealand's long haul
fairs are up twenty five percent trans Tasman twenty domestic
up ten. Nickel Rabishanka is the CEO in terms of
will we run out or gas?

Speaker 7 (18:40):
It's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
There are no sayings yet.

Speaker 9 (18:42):
That's the situation.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
We have to deal with it.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
That doesn't mean we shouldn't prepare for it, which we are.

Speaker 14 (18:46):
I'm bullish. I don't think the wall's going to restart.
I think they'll cut some sort of deal. The straight
will open in some way, shape or form. If that's
to come to pass, when does your problem finish.

Speaker 15 (18:55):
The trajectory back to normal, if indeed your prediction's rate
will be a complicated.

Speaker 14 (19:00):
A return to normal back tomorrow at six am the
Mic Hosking Breakfast with Maybe's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
For a good afternoon too. So we're talking about Christopher
Arson's response to the media effectively having a serve after
a three hour long caucus meeting, where of course he
survived as Prime minister. But we have been talking about
the role of media and particularly the political the parliamentary
gallery media, and I think before the caucus meeting, as

(19:27):
you can imagine, there was a lot of hounding of
MP's as that are going into that particular meeting. But
one stood out in particular in terms of how hysteric
some of the journalists were, and it was with Mark Mitchell.
And here's a little bit of that.

Speaker 16 (19:41):
Er Smith has just put out a statement saying, can
you ever contacted the Prime minister? Why on Friday, Saturday,
Sunday or Monday did no one say that?

Speaker 17 (19:49):
Well, the thing is like, in my view, no one's
on a personal level, no one's been in contact with me.
I haven't seen any evidence of what's been reported in
the media. It just seems to be a wholest speculation
and reckon. So I'm not so, you know, those questions
should be directed directly to the person.

Speaker 16 (20:08):
Do you expect the media to believe when we get
a phone call immediately if there's a word wrong in
a story that no one contacted anyone to say this
is wrong. For four whole days, and then all of
a sudden, Stuart Smith can't make it to caucus and
is putting out a statement via the Prime Minister's.

Speaker 17 (20:27):
You're asking me to speak for other people that did
you have.

Speaker 16 (20:31):
Any did you have any involvement in Stuart Smith sending
out that statement? No, Senior Minister's.

Speaker 17 (20:39):
So all the stuff, all the reckons, all the reporting
in the media, I haven't seen any.

Speaker 7 (20:45):
Evidence of any of the.

Speaker 10 (20:49):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
So, I mean it's interesting. She says, do you expect
the media to believe? So she sees the media as
being one thing. I mean saying, as everyone's testing the media,
I've been saying the media is not one thing. But
she says, do you expect the media to believe? So
she sees it as one pack. They are one pack
and they believe one thing collectively. Do you expect the

(21:11):
media to believe what you've said?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
But the insinuation, of course, is that the media deserves
an answer, not the people. And look, I have a
background in journalism as a journalist for a long time,
and I think the rule number one is a journalist
is you were there to speak for the public. You're
not there to speak for yourself as a journalist. And
that is part of what's infested news media right is egos.
And I get your point.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
The part of the ego she feels like she is
protecting the media, not trying to find the truth exactly
her line of attack on Mitchell there that is.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Rule number one is that you were there for the
public as a journalist to speak to the powers that be,
And if you're not doing that, you're speaking for your
own interests, then you're not a journalist at that point.
You were just there as some sort of entertainment wing
of news.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
As Texas said, journalists should report the facts, explain policy
and decisions, translate complex issues into something voters can understand. Yes,
in the perfect world, but who would click on that exactly?

Speaker 3 (22:08):
That's the tricky part.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
And what about media? What do you call us seagulls?
So there's been this thing that looks like it's based
on nothing, looks like it's blowing up, looks like a
call never happened, that was said that a call happened,
may not have happened. Then what are we doing? Then
we're the talkback radio hosts that are feeding off this.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's circling around and picking off the carcass. Yeah, but
we are not journalists, That's true. We are, you know,
we are radio hosts. And part of that is entertainment. Entertainment,
part of that is information. A lot of it is
getting the thoughts of the public, who ring ourselves very
different to journalists who think that they are there on

(22:52):
behalf of the public, when in reality, in this situation,
they're not. Most of the public are furious at the
behavior that they showed.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
All right, okay, in which case, let's go to the headlines,
and when we come back, let's here from the people. Yeah,
in our eight hundred eighty eight and let's shut up yep.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Nineteen ninetwers of Texas twenty six to two.

Speaker 15 (23:13):
US talk said, b headlines with your ride New Zealand's
number one taxi app Download your Ride today. Chris Luxon
says he has his Caucasus support and remains the National
Party leader. He moved a formal motion of confidence in
his leadership at a three hour caucus meeting today after
report some MPs were dissatisfied. Some two hundred and fifty

(23:36):
employees could be affected by proposed restructure at NZTA that
would disestablish thirty six full time roles that require two
hundred and fifteen workers to reapply for positions. Orange heavy
rain warnings run from Napier to Wellington, with a number
of highways closed. State Highway too is closed through Rimataka

(23:57):
Hill and Highway fifty three between Featherston and Martinborough. Highway
forty three is closed between Funger Mormoner and Tomatnui. Highway
three also closed between Moreco and Peel Peel. Five retailers
could face hefty fines or jail time for illegally selling
nitrous oxide dubbed nangs, the gas used for commercially whipping

(24:20):
cream but used to get a dangerous high, often by
young people. New Microsoft boss says AI could add one
hundred and two billion annually to new Zealand's economy by
twenty thirty eight. You can read more at inziherld dot
co dot INZT. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams, Thank.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
You very much, Railan. It is twenty two to two
and we are talking about the Prime minister's response after
that three hour long caucus meeting, effectively having a crank
at the parliamentary reporters. Oh one hundred and eighteen eighties
number to call.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
What you guys are failing to mention is that lux
Ander's crap. Susar sticks in. Okay, all right, Dallas, spot
for the show.

Speaker 12 (24:56):
Here, Hi guys, Hey, welcome to North Korea, where mcgovernment
decrees what the press will will say. I won't say.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I don't know how that tell us. I mean, look,
I can read that we lie there that he said.
It's certainly not you know, some people are saying it's
almost Trump like and it's just patently not true. That
he said he wasn't going to engage. He said that
the free press is an important aspect to life in
New Zealand, but he's just not going to buy into speculation.
And that's a fair enough thing. It's not going to
stop the media, anyone who thinks at the media and says, okay, yet, sorry,

(25:27):
we're not gonna we're going to do the crap anymore.
Of course, it's just going to fire them up even more.
But basically what he's saying is he's not going to bite.

Speaker 12 (25:35):
But it wasn't speculation. There was a real story. I
mean Thomas Coglin who broke the story, right, do you
think he's a sort of gossip monger.

Speaker 18 (25:45):
Or the.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well do you think do you think that phone call
took place? Because it's been cateacortically denied, the the the
the the request for a meeting, So you know that,
So that that's a problem, isn't it for that story?
So who do you believe on that?

Speaker 12 (26:03):
Well, he said he had three or four sources, So
who do you believe. That's why we have the press
to try and get to the truth. Yeah, we need
transparency in our government. We need more experiency. Look look
at the way that Chris Hopkins, that's about his personal
life about a month ago or whatever, you know, and

(26:23):
it died that Yeah, it was in the news cycle
for a few days and it died. This is what
being a politician, This is where Luxon thinks he's still
a CEO. He's not a CEO, he's a prime minister.
And being a politics means you do need to ride.

Speaker 13 (26:39):
Through the crap.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Do you think when it comes to Thomas Coglin, and
from what I've read of him, he's a very good
journalist and clearly he had those sources. But do you
think part of it is duplicitous that he knew who
those sources were. Of course he can't say who they
were in his story, but he knew they were backbenches,
he knew that they had very little power. Is the
onus not in that sort of report to say within

(27:02):
there that my sources are down the pecking order And
so the validity of what they say about this supposed
coup and rolling Luxe in probably doesn't have much in it.

Speaker 12 (27:14):
Well you think their opinion doesn't count just because of
that benches?

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, yeah, well in MS in terms of their ability
to roll the leader Dallas as it being a legitimate
coup or a coup with any potential of success.

Speaker 12 (27:30):
You know, that's the second thing. And they've obviously had
this boat and you know he's come out fine, that's fine.
I had a vote and he's come out saying he's
you know, he's got everyone behind him. That's fine, that's
up to then to decide. But I think he's going
too far saying that you know that the pressure is
sharp about this, or he's not he's not going to

(27:52):
answer certain questions. And I just think this is a
new strategy, and it is, but we don't want this
to go in this direction doing well.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
It depends what whether you are interested in endless stories
that I think most of us knew weren't going anywhere,
whether you want your media for their own good as well,
because you know a lot of media and New Zealand
is commercial, some of it as government owned, and what
their incentives are is harder to ascertain. But as far

(28:25):
as journalists are concern, right they then if they're if
they're banging the same drum all the time, aren't they
going to lose credibility and eventually lose revenue?

Speaker 12 (28:37):
Yeah they are, because it's that, you know, it's a
sort of competitive thing where yeah, you're right if someone
gets their reputation for no credibility. But what I'm saying
is Thomas Coglan does not fit that category.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, and I think again, I don't know Thomas personally,
but from what I've seen it as writing, he's one
of the better ones within the Parliamentary gallery, along with
our Azaria of course, But Dallas, do you not see it?
So when Thomas's story came out, and I stand by
what I said before, I think the onus was on
Thomas to say, give an indication on where those sources
were coming from, how far down the pecking order they

(29:13):
were within the National Party. But then do you think
one news and variant it was just coincidence that they
launched that particular pole on a Sunday night when they
knew that the caucus meeting was on Monday. So it
starts to feel like this all gets shaped up by
the media as a whole to try and whip up
that hysteria that it's going to be the end for
Christopher Lux and when that was never the truth. That's

(29:33):
what it feels like to me, because I assume that
pole was waiting and they just picked the ideal moment
for them as media to get the most hype and
fizzle arounded as they possibly could.

Speaker 12 (29:45):
Well why not, why wouldn't you do that?

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Because it's duplicitous. It's not the reality of what was
going on within that particular party.

Speaker 12 (29:54):
See, the thing is, we all think that the media
is biased against our political party, right, we all think
that Mikey Sherman is out to get our party, whatever
our party is.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
You know, in the mind of the do you have
do you have an idea? Do you have in your
mind if you're being you know, just if if that
particular reporter has a political leaning, do you know, do
you think it's a problem if you know that a
reporter has a political leaning and if and you know,
first question again, do you think that that particular reporter

(30:27):
has a leaning?

Speaker 12 (30:29):
I wouldn't say that. I would say that, I wouldn't
say TV one is biased. I don't believe it. I
think they just go for the story. The Herald does
as well. You know, I don't think there's you know,
it's like you said, there's no thing called the media
here quotes where they get to get we can say,
or who are we going to attack this week? It's

(30:50):
like every you know, we're all human beings, so we
all have political bias. I don't think. I don't think
TV one is biased or the Herald. You know, I
think they go for that where the story is that week,
you know, whoever it is.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Subscribe, Yeah, fair enough, too, good on you and thanks
for ringing Dallas. It's always good to talk to you.
You have a great afternoon.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Thank you very much. So do you agree with Dallas, Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you think the media
are just being media and they'll go for the skulls
of politicians because that's always been the bit of a
relationship between them, or do you think there is a
bias there? Nineteen nine two is the text. It is
sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Your home of Afternoon Talk, Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons
call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Say'd be afternoon to you. Excuse me, afternoon to you.
It is thirteen to two and we are talking about
the Prime minister's serve towards the media after stepping out
of that caucus meeting and of course surviving as leader
of the National Party and Prime Minister.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
The sixth says the media is one thing in Wellington,
met you, muppet. I've worked down the press gallery. It's
like a nasty social group. If you aren't in line
with the loud thinking you're on the utter well what
they mean they've worked down the press gallery. Interesting down
in the press scale. We could like, we're probably you know,
isolate with this person is because they said down Wellington.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Interesting text Mike, how are you?

Speaker 13 (32:18):
How are you?

Speaker 8 (32:18):
Maddie?

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Are you a right mate?

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Hang on a minute, but I think I recognized this voice.
Did you speak my boss.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Mate?

Speaker 19 (32:27):
Look, I've just come back and from fishing.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
I'd morning yep.

Speaker 19 (32:32):
I've starbed himself in the hand him on the way
to the medical center because I'm bleeding. But I had
to seriously, I'm not lying, but I've had to pull
over and stop because look, I couldn't agree with your
last carp more Dallas. I mean, this thing becomes a
self fulfilling prophecy. And if you look, if you look
at the media right now, everything skewed left. We've got
the arrival John Campbell was much fan fear as a

(32:53):
ride back on arin Z.

Speaker 20 (32:54):
Now we all know that.

Speaker 19 (32:55):
John swings to the left, and we also know that
Tobah O'Brien swings to the left. So you've got those
covered off. Tobah makes one little you know, Tova's opening
day and she says, no, you're not the CEO, you're
the Prime minister. And the media have a field day
with it, you know, so everything that Luxon does, that

(33:16):
little flub that he had a few weeks ago.

Speaker 20 (33:18):
And admittedly, yeah, you go, he could have done better
than that, mate, But what.

Speaker 19 (33:22):
Happens is Television New Zealand was still playing that clip
two weeks later, two weeks later, so every time they
play it, boys, he does it again. And let's just
back the truck up to.

Speaker 20 (33:35):
The beginning into the first year no honeymoon.

Speaker 19 (33:39):
Mikey Sherman. I believe she did more than wet of pants.
When the polls, the government is over. I mean we're
two months into it. It's over right now, you know,
we could the coalitions done and dust it. And Television
New Zealand as a fact, proceived more complaints about her
coverage of that story and her bias than any other

(34:01):
story they have ever run. And last night I have
to sit there on ah and my partner she arms
me with because I can't.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Through anything else that wise lady.

Speaker 19 (34:11):
Seriously, I watch this and I go, oh my god.
I mean after this poll. They've also assumed too that
the march to Party Mariy, the Greens and Labor can
form a government.

Speaker 20 (34:23):
But they've come to that conclusion by.

Speaker 19 (34:25):
Saying that to Party Maray are going to get six seats.
Now that is a complete No one knows that to
Party Mary will not get over five percent of the vote.
So they need to win the Maori seats basically to
get back into parliament, and Labour's going to give them
a good run for their money.

Speaker 20 (34:42):
We're already starting to see that.

Speaker 19 (34:44):
So all of this Reluxen and what he's come out
and see today is a self fulfilling prophecy by our media.
ZB as a matter of interest, is the only outlet
with Hosking in the morning. I don't agree with everything
he says, followed by Carey, you guys probably said a
little bit more center, and then of course at four
o'clock it all swings back to the right again. But

(35:04):
the interesting thing is that it's the only outlet that
skews things or sits to the right. Everything else is left.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
So you know you've been in the media obviously, well
forms of the media, commercial radio. You know, as I
said before, you smear my boss, great boss too. Actually
it's good man we had a good time.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Did good worker, Mike?

Speaker 19 (35:25):
He was, but you know he was a good worker,
No very good, enthusiastic, three enthusiastic Tyler.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Yeah, I could see that jaded now but back then
when I was a younger man. But what is the
media job? Media's job? In your opinion? Then if you're
a commercial operation, Mike, then you need to make money, right,
It's a totally different story. You bring up Aaron Z
and John Campbell, and that's an interesting one for Aaron
Zed to hire someone that is so clearly staked there there.

(35:53):
You know, everyone knows where John Campbell sits on on everything.
He's he's far left right.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
We all get that.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
But for the commercial you know, the commercial media, don't
they have to find stories to to to get clicks?
Isn't that that as that isn't their job if they were,
you know, in this perfect world, you know, just reporting facts,
explaining policies and decisions in a sober fashion, translating complex

(36:19):
issues in such a way the voters understand. Wouldn't people
just as much as we wish we were the type
of people that would read that, wouldn't we just not
read it?

Speaker 21 (36:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (36:28):
I think I take your point on headlines and clickbait,
because particularly online the Herald does this. You can get
a headline, and this is an issue that a lot
of people only read the headline, the headlines what informs them.

Speaker 20 (36:41):
They don't go further, and you'll read the headline and
then you.

Speaker 19 (36:43):
Find that the story itself actually has no real context
or stews away from that particular headline. So what you
end up with is a we have, as I say,
our major news outlets in this country. And I go
back to your point earlier on Matt, is that we're
not a big enough country, like, for example, to have

(37:04):
a New York Times, a Washington Puck, to have media.

Speaker 20 (37:08):
Outlets that are obviously left or right.

Speaker 19 (37:11):
But if you go back to the States thirty years ago,
people got their news from free for sources ABC, NBC
and CBS, and it was technically okay, different newsreaders, anchors.

Speaker 20 (37:22):
But pretty much the same news.

Speaker 19 (37:24):
But what we have in this country here is another
one that comes to mind, and he's gone a bit
quiet after a story and he got picked us a
TV and Z Benedict Collins, he got picked up on
that story that he did on Now.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Mike, just just commercial realities. We've got to go to
on air break. So just hold there and what we'll
get back to you, okay, if that's right, if you're
not bleeding to death out that hand from your fishing injury,
We've just.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Got to go to the gots its bandaged perfect or
Michae will come back shortly. It is seven minutes to do.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 9 (37:58):
It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB News Talks THEREB.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
It is four to two. Mike, we got your back mate.
You've got thirty seconds.

Speaker 19 (38:07):
Yeah, just to feel just to find a shop self
fulfilling prophecy. Eighty percent in the media in this country
lean to the left. Luckson's doomed because the media will
beat him up right through the election.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
That's Michael, see the commission. Radio guy can do it exactly.
He knows how it operates. And Mike all the best
with their hand mate.

Speaker 8 (38:26):
Good on you boys, thank you, yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Thanks, and thanks for hiring me. How many years ago
it was wouldn't been radio without the guy.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
He must love you. Their commitment to pull over his hands,
bleeding out, Yeah, you know that's what it takes. Good
on you, Good on you. Right, We're going to carry
this on because a lot of people want to have
their say. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Ninety two, ninety two. So as
the Prime Minister Christopher Luckson's new strategy having a crack
at the media and saying he's not going to buy
it any more, going to work for him. Love your views,
new Sport and Weather or it's way you're listening to

(38:52):
Matt and Tyler. I hope you're having a great Tuesday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Welcome back into the show. It is six past two
and we're carrying on our discussion about the response from
the Prime Minister Christopher Luxen after a three hour caucus
meeting where speculation was high around his leadership. So he
addressed a media following that meeting on the back of
those reports. He was flanked by Finance Minister Nicola Willis,
and here's a recap of what he had to say,

(39:34):
just standing by for that audio. We're going to come
back to it very shortly but effectively. He says the
motion was past. He had a motion of confidence on
his leadership at this morning's caucus meeting and has their
back in and says that was passed and he's got
the full support of the caucus. Here it is now.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
To put that media speculation to rest. I moved a
formal motion of confidence in my leadership. That motion was past,
confirming what I have been saying. I have the support
of my caucus as their leader. Caucus has answered clearly decisively,
it has backed my leadership, and that matter is now
closed and it won't be and I won't be commenting
further on it. Looking out at the world today, it

(40:16):
is clear that we are living in uncertain and volatile times,
and that underscores the importance of strong economic management to
steer in New Zealanders through this time and provide the
security that they deserve. A free press is important in
a democracy. You give citizens the chance to know the
truth about their countries and their governments and hold a
leaders like me accountable. And I welcome that. But if

(40:40):
the media want to keep focusing on speculation and rumor.
I am not going to engage Kiwis. Expect the media
to ask us the tough questions about our policies, to
hold us to account for our pledges to New Zealanders,
and to interrogate us about the things that matter to them.
They are not interested in this media psypuipera. Everyday, Kiwis

(41:00):
will not be losing sleep over political slide shows here
in Wellington. They'll be thinking about their mortgage, their kids' education,
and the same safety and security of their community. My
message to New Zealanders today, as it is every day,
is that I'm exclusively focused on fixing this economy and
building a better New Zealand for our children and grandchildren.

(41:21):
The future of our country and the pressures that care
his face and response to global uncertainty is just way
too important. I'm genuinely optimistic about New Zealand because this
country has the talent, We have the institutions and natural endowments,
and most importantly, the people to come through this and
to build something remarkable.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
We've done it before and we'll do it again.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
So that was the Prime Minister directly after that three
hour caucus meeting, but a different approach from the Prime Minister.
He didn't take any questions, He said his piece, he
had his statement, and then he walked away, effectively saying
to the media, I've had enough off of your nonsense
and speculation and I'm not going to bite it anymore.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Is this going to be a new new luxin, a
tighter luxin, a more mongrel? As a sex said, finally
luxe and gets some mongrel. He should shut down those
weird social butter flies that flutter around with their decided
on talking points. Okay, social butterflies. Describe this a bit
of a serve to the journalists social butterflies. But it

(42:21):
is interesting to see him. You know, he does often
seem to get rattle, doesn't he, and not know the
answer and end up saying too much in a way.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
So less is more, And I think that was the
lesson from the likes of John Key and even Helen
Clark is if they didn't have any more to say,
then they wouldn't. You know, the more you say, the
more you can trip yourself up. And perhaps you know,
he's got some new advisors in his team and he's
starting to go in a different direction.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
One of the bizarrest controversies around lux and over the
years was the I'm sorted comment, and people use that,
you see it on social media saying that he's out
of touch, and it's always taken out of context. He
was saying. Look, basically, he was saying, I'm sorted, but
I want to help people out.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I want everybody to be sorted.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, But it's always taken out of context
like him go at him and willfully taken out of context,
like he was saying, I'm sorted, I don't care about
any of you, and no one that sees it thinks
that's what he meant, and yet it's still used to
beat up on him. He never meant I'm sorted, I
don't care. It wasn't that people say it says let
them eat cake moment, But that is willfully everyone pretending

(43:27):
that that's what he meant when they knew that wasn't
what he meant. And that happened early on as well.
And is that part of the problem.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
You know, we've been talking about the media and bias
and whether he's right to say I'm not going to
deal if you're going to speculate, and perhaps that's part
of it. When you use specific lines without the right context.
And he's not the only one, right obviously, David Seymour,
Winston Peters have have their own cameramen coming to these
media stand ups because they're worried about the same thing.
You've got to be fear in the context when somebody

(43:55):
says something. I think as a journalist, you do have
to be fear. You might not like what they say,
or you might try to think that, hey, maybe I
should try and skew that, but that is not the
role for the journalists to do. But what do you say? Oh,
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Marie? How are you?

Speaker 22 (44:12):
I'm boiling?

Speaker 8 (44:14):
Okay, tell me, I'm not feeling like a butterfly. I'm
feeling like a wasp.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Okay, right, Okay, sting away there.

Speaker 22 (44:22):
I really feel for christ luck than I really do.
I have my own thoughts around that. But good on
them for what he said. I think good on him.
He's because you can you can spend your time and
waste your time wallowing around in the speculation and the
rumors and the sensationalism. It's like, how come you didn't

(44:47):
know that? What kind of prime minister.

Speaker 11 (44:48):
Are you you didn't know that?

Speaker 22 (44:49):
Well, no, it's a fairly obscure thing that you're bringing
up and now you're making a big, major point about it.
But what I wanted to say is why doesn't he
step down let the media around the country because that
seems to be what they want.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Good God, please, no, Marie, please no.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
An interesting result from the caucus meeting. I've come out
with had a vote and you guys are in charge,
so we're.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
All start with over then Benedict Mikey Yet if he's.

Speaker 22 (45:19):
Had a friend it was making let's just let's just
concentrate on the facts and the serious things that that
we've got going on.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Do you think, though, do you think because there's there's
multiple parts being a politician, right, it literally is a
popularity contest, and so part of it is you know,
what you achieve the policies you put forward. But the
other part of it is selling it, and and part
of selling that is how you deal with the press. Right,
So do you think Luxon has been up to the

(45:51):
up to the task of dealing doing dealing with the
press because the press will be the press. You know,
you can't you can't choose what media you have in
a democracy. So do you think he's been up to
the up to the challenge.

Speaker 22 (46:03):
I think he gets shocked at the things that are
that are coming up, haven't it's.

Speaker 8 (46:16):
I think he gets he gets flustered.

Speaker 22 (46:18):
He gets flustered and he doesn't know what to say.
And I think we all have that. I mean, you know,
we go in to meetings that work and somebody is
all right, now Bob's going to say, and Bob goes,
I'm going to say something. We all have those situations.
He's a guy that works just like we are, but.

Speaker 12 (46:36):
He's a guy who's at work in.

Speaker 22 (46:37):
The public and he can get anything thrown at him
at any time.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
It is an interesting thing that we expect to be
tricked by the media. So one of the things that
it's like, we spend a lot of time talking about
style over substance. So we're saying he didn't deal with
that question very well. He should have answered in a
more positive confidence way, like we actively want to be

(47:03):
tricked by style over substance.

Speaker 23 (47:07):
But isn't that a horrible way to exist?

Speaker 22 (47:08):
You expect to be tricked by the media, Why don't
you expect the media to actually report the the something
of substance. I'm not saying facts, because facts can be
what I think is true, which do you think true?
Could be two different things. But report something of substance
rather than picking around the minu shift stuff that's not
even important.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Is that specific parts of the media marine you know,
because as we mentioned, the media is multifaceted, and there's
a lot to what you're put under the umbrella of media.

Speaker 18 (47:39):
Yes, there is.

Speaker 22 (47:40):
There is to be fair, and I'm going to be
straight up. I don't spend I like to listen to
talk back because then I get a nice even feel
for what's happening out there. Sitting down and watching the
particular reporters that I find frustrating and I won't listen
to them, but I do hear all about it later
from my husband, so.

Speaker 8 (48:04):
I don't need to listen to it.

Speaker 7 (48:05):
No.

Speaker 22 (48:05):
I mean, I guess what I'm trying to say is
that it's are you going for the genuine story for
the betterment of mankind? Or are you going for a
story that's going to give you glory and the job
that you're doing.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
But I think maybe some people would say that journalists,
now this is an accusation that's coming through in the
text machine are activists now, so they think that they are,
according to one opinion, trying to enact what they think
is the best outcome for the country, and they maybe
don't think it's this current government.

Speaker 22 (48:38):
So is that in any of their job descriptions.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Well, well, not previously. But I think in journalism school,
I've heard I don't know someone that's been to journalism
school that the talk of. You know, I saw a
big bullboard there the other day, and I'm not sure
which media outlet was was for, but it just said,
the story is all that matters. I thought, well, the story,
What do you mean the story is all that matters.

(49:02):
Shouldn't it be the news, the news for the truth? Yeah,
or that the facts?

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I mean, if I've got Spath year for journalists, and
you know, I've got a background in journalism, is that
there is and should be an adversarial relationship between politicians
and the media, because the media should be there to
question and to call into account the decisions that the
politicians are making. But I actually agree with you, Marie
that I think that that line has shifted too far

(49:27):
where the journalists think they are part of that story.
Their egos are important, and they're going to be front
and center and whatever that story is, this one is
the pure example of it. So instead of holding politicians
to account on behalf of the public, what I suspected
and what I see is happening is that individual journalists
are boosting up this story for their own brand.

Speaker 24 (49:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
I've got some little.

Speaker 22 (49:53):
Notes written down here because I was so fired up.
But yeah, like I said, is it about for the
betterment of the people, for the betterment of the country.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
We've got a hard job here in New Zealand, we
really have.

Speaker 12 (50:04):
We've got a hard job where.

Speaker 22 (50:06):
I believe we can.

Speaker 12 (50:08):
You know, let's still sorry.

Speaker 22 (50:09):
We all pull together, we'll get where we need to be.
But if you've got people who are pulling, people are
pulling bits apart and fractionalizing everything, we're just going to
keep running around the seer. It doesn't matter who's in
who's in the lead, doesn't matter who's running the country.
If you've got people that every time you say it's blue,
that goes say no, it's not, it's red. You're going
to say it's you know, no it's not, it's green. No,

(50:29):
it's clearly yellow. No, well, if you look carefully, and
I'm sure.

Speaker 19 (50:32):
You'll find it's green.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
It's the finding Nemo. Just keep swimming, Just keep swimming. Yeah, Marie,
thank you very much for your call. Really appreciated it.
There's eighteen pass two taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty Beckamo.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Your home of afternoon talk Man Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons call.

Speaker 9 (50:51):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk, said be.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
It's twenty one past two oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number called nine two niney two
is the text number. And we're discussing the Prime minister's
response after the three hour caucus meeting, having a bit
of a serve to the media around speculation, saying he's
not going to bite any more when it comes to
what he regards as rumor and hearsay. Is that the
right move?

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Wow, there's all kinds of opinions coming through this one.
For example, Luxon has too much face skin to remain
so much skin.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Skin person sounds.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
A little bit like a serial killer, like Buffalo Bell
or something from Silence.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
And the Lambs, disturbing.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Can we just flag that one, you know, very focused
on skin that one. Chris, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (51:33):
Yeah, yeah, good, Hey, Look I've been around for a while.
Look my take is, Look, I think in the current
world and New Zealand and media, a feather of the
New Zealand media, whether it's radio, print or TV, a
pretty wet behind the ears, you know, compared to preps
in the past, and this we don't have a balance

(51:56):
in his own Look, you probably won't agree, we agree
with me, but news talk there'd be is very much national,
with the exception of you guys and Marcus lash at night.
But Nick Miles, Heather mic Costing, Kerry McIver very political
and very pro national.

Speaker 25 (52:16):
And then.

Speaker 21 (52:18):
Or pro right and then the Parliamentary Press Gallery. Yeah,
under Mikey Sherman and her mob, they're they're, they're, they're
they're very far to the left. Jessica match mckuy when
she led it with far more balanced.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
But when you say wet behind the years, you think
that they're they're young or just an experience.

Speaker 21 (52:37):
Yeah, yeah, young and not experienced like not like very
has been around for a long time.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
He's very dry behind the ears. Yes, great New Zealander soon,
but The thing is, Chris, what's happened in media is
that the money, a lot of the money disappeared out
of mainstream media as you know, the likes of Google
and Facebook, Meta and you know, the various companies have

(53:02):
taken so much money out of the market, right, so
the amount getting paid isn't the same anymore. And so
to get really really experienced and attract really high quality
people to a job, you need to have a lot
of money in the system. And and as a result,
and if you don't, you're up with a lot of
young people that experience that are willing to take the

(53:24):
job for less, if you see what I'm saying. So
it's kind of it's kind of a I don't know,
it's sort of a catch twenty two situation, Chris, where
you can't afford to pay the really high quality people,
they'll go after a commercial job or whatever. And because
you're losing audience, and then maybe you don't get that

(53:44):
you can't afford the really really good people that will
keep the audience you've got.

Speaker 21 (53:49):
No, no, no, that's a fair point. And they're face it, guys,
you politics compared to world shage is a bit boring.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Not really interesting. You're not wrong.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
That's such a good point. We have to you know,
on a day to day you have to file stories
all the time. You have to get clicks all the time,
you have to get people coming to your your your publication.
You'll broadcast whatever all the time. But there's not always
something happening and you see exactly so sometimes you have
to you have to, you know, splash little cooking oil

(54:23):
on the barbecue at a bit of a flash.

Speaker 21 (54:26):
Yeah that's right. But listen, I enjoy you guys, because
because I say those other ones I mentioned, they wouldn't
never show if it wasn't for politics, because because that's
all they want to talk about. But you guys run
a very good, very program.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Chris, Yeah, yeah, like you. Thanks for saying that you
call any time my friends.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah, yeah, we'll put we'll put a big couple of
stars on five stars Chris.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
But yeah, I have a good day you too, but
nicely said. You know, as Chris mentioned, he's been around
the block for some time and it's no doubt about it.
Journalism has changed. But I think you have the nail
on the head mat. The journalism is expensive. You want
the really good guys like investigative reporters. They might produce
one story every couple of weeks if you're lucky, maybe
even one a month back in the day. But the
papers and radio had the money coming in that they

(55:11):
could pay those guys for that. But you look at
some of the biggest stories that have been broken by
journalists around the world, Watergate, the Post when they looked
into the Catholic Church. That was months and months and
months of work of multiple journalists for one explosive story. Sadly,
that's incredibly tough for media to do these days.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Yeah, but now I'm looking at you know, I don't
want to question really deep things and move away from
what to me about. But I've got some questions about
Bob Woodward. Yeah, and they were raised by Bill Murray.
So Bob Woodward and he wrote a book on Belushi,
who was a very very good friend of Bill Murray's.

(55:52):
Bill Murray's was talking about reading the book going this
is all absolutely made up. Didn't talk to anyone that
he knew. So this is the guy that's held up
as the absolute bestion of the greatest journalism all all
the time. When we talk about you know, speaking truth
to power the whole Watergate thing.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
That investigation is all the going in.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
We need robust fourth of State, all right, because of
Bob Woodward. But then if you actually start looking into
some of his other books, you go he he had
some pretty dodgy journalists that pressed that practices going on.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Yeah, oh, dear Bob Woodward. Yeah right, I'll look into that.
But yeah, I have heard that as well. Yes, Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twenty six pass two Beggary shortly.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Mad Heathen and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Twenty eight past two. Get a Mary yoday.

Speaker 26 (56:41):
How are you guy?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Very good? Ken on your thoughts?

Speaker 22 (56:44):
Well, my thoughts ah.

Speaker 26 (56:49):
That it sometimes appears to me that the media sort
of comes up with an angle, comes up with an idea,
or comes up with with a story, and then tries
to get reality to fit into it.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Yeah, well, said Mary. I've been trying to articulate that
for the last hour and a half.

Speaker 12 (57:07):
In you.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
So, I mean just looking at examples, would you say,
like the polling and we've seen a bit of hysteria
over various poles, not just the one on Sunday. Would
you put that as an example of here's a poll,
and then some media try and shape that to fit
their own narrative from what they want to present, want
that pole to present.

Speaker 26 (57:29):
Well, what I was really thinking of is is the
sort of narrative that President Trump, you know, incited rioting.
And then it turned out from the BBC that someone
at the BBC who worked highly respected organizations, somebody sort
of fabricated Trump saying things, taking something he said at

(57:51):
the beginning of a speech and something about an hour later,
and splicing them together to create a new statement that
he didn't even say, and now he's sewing the BBC
for ten billions.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
That was a shit shocking thing to do, to willfully
take one end of a speech and another speech and
put it together like that. The fact that someone would
do that and think it was okay. What their motivations were,
either they their motivations were political, or their most invasions
were commercial to get more play on it, to get

(58:28):
more you know, or within their career or whatever. But
to do that, to take a speech and put them
together to make it say something that it didn't say
and make a lot of people anxious in the world
because a lot of people put those when they watched it,
they were like, oh, this is what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Yeah, this is what he's doing.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
And people got angry about it and formed opinions, and
then it was piled up on other things that had seen,
some of them true, some of them not. Yeah, I'm
shocking such a goal as well.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
I was gutted for the BBC because that was an
organization for the most part I'd trusted and to see
that come out that completely destroys that credibility. It was
gutting personally.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
Well, what do you think the motivation for doing that was.

Speaker 26 (59:07):
Going back to the Because you ask me about the polls,
I if I was upholster, and I, you know, had
a narrative, and I wanted to reflect my narrative. You know,
I might if I was polling about eighteen year olds
or sixteen year olds with getting their phone taken off them,

(59:29):
or you know, okay that we're only going to pay
the last year of UNI or whatever, and I sampled
or I did my poe took my poll sampled from
certain schools, more liberal schools or more conservative schools, or
I took my sample from particular universities or I took

(59:53):
you know, I think we don't know because he there's
a poll, we actually don't know how skewed that pole
can be. And my son said to me once, because
he did stats at university. He said, Mom, you can
prove it anything with a statistic, but really, you know,
it can be quite warping. And so I often think

(01:00:16):
when I hear about these polls, they didn't pull me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Yeah, but I mean, like a credible poll, Mary will
will publish its methodology, And a credible poll has to
be you know, it's supposed to be random, randomly setting people,
which is very very hard at the moment, because most
people won't answer their calls. Most people won't answer the phone.
Most peole won a call of it, so that they
don't know who it is.

Speaker 26 (01:00:41):
Yeah, if if you called no caller ID, they might say, well, okay,
I'm not answering that. And if you call and you're
not known to them, they might say, well, I'm not
answering that. A lot of people don't have landlines. So
already there's a skew. Yeah, because you're only you're skewing
to the point of people that will take a no
ID call or a random call from some voice who says,

(01:01:04):
I'm very imposed and can you answer these questions? And
you know what's the say that people even tell the truth?

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Well, well yeah, and also and also you know there
is even a only a certain person, even if they
get to the point, can be bother doing it. So
you're picking certain type of people. And then they have
to make these huge assumptions. Aren't to make it represent
the demographic demographics of the country, So they might only
get one caller and a certain demographic and you know,
and then they go, well, that doesn't represent the population,

(01:01:34):
so they times their value by such that represents the population.
So it's all all over the shop. But once you
start to getting a series of polls though, if you
start to get you know, the polls, and polls start
to tell a story, I would say, hey, trend, yeah,
thank you so much for you call me the trend
is different, but just on quickly on the variant pole
and Mike Rigor who called before great Man mentioned it.

(01:01:55):
But I think when they so they get that information
from the pole and you can question the methodology. But
then they one news decides to make an assumption that
the Party Maori is going to get all six seats
of the Malti seats, and then it's the headline, so
the coalition is out of government of an election was
held today, So they've made an assumption that the Party
Mary is going to win all six seats, and because

(01:02:16):
of that assumption, all of a sudden, the headline is
the coalition government is out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I mean that to me is dishonest because of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
This, entially because the previous poll before that said that
the coalition was well ahead. Yeah, but the head I
didn't see any headlines saying coalition will win the election
easily exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah. What do you say though, Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number of cool headlines with
railing coming up?

Speaker 15 (01:02:37):
Youth Talk said, be headlines with your Ride, New Zealand's
number one taxi app, Download your Ride today. The Prime
Minister has shut down speculation about his leadership of National
saying a caucus vote today showed he has NP's continued support.
Wellington's mayor expects a call later today on retaining the
city's state of emergency with warnings for Wellington and wided up,

(01:03:01):
but dungraded to orange and a big clean up ahead.
Inflation has stayed unchanged at three point one percent in
the March quarter, but figures for the following three months
will reflect the Iron Wall's effect on fuel supplies and
the ripples for all other costs. All the two hundred
civilians held by an armed group linked to Islamic State

(01:03:23):
have been rescued in an army operation in a democratic
Republic of Congo. Hastings Collinge Road will be closed for
some time after a single vehicle crash that seriously injured
one person, and forty four people have applied for the
job of Dunedin City Council's CEO, including three overseas applicants.

(01:03:44):
Cold case faulty Courthouse, air conditioning Holtz trial. You can
see more at enzid Herald dot co dot Nz. Back
to Matt Ethan Tyler Adams, Thank you Raylean.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
It is twenty two to three now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
A couple of days ago we were making fun of
Bennetett cumberbat around as an ability on a documentary to
pronounce penguins properly. It was good stuff, y wings, Pengling's penguin.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Somebody against it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Through Matt, you've had your Penglings moment.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I think that's very true.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
When I was talking about Bob, I was calling him
Bob Woodward, bomb Woodwood, Bob, It's Bob wood.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Ward named it Bob, Bob Woodward.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Yeah, Bob wood wood would would wood would Ward, Bob
wood would Ward of for Woodward good would would Ward,
Bob would Ward the Watergate guy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Very fine, well done.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Yeah, so you think you for pointing out out I
was saying his name wrong. But the point was is
we always hold up Watergate's most amazing piece of journalism
of all time. But then if you look into that
same journalist book Wired on John Belushi, very dodgy journals, journalism,
very distant contacts, making big claims about Belushi to the

(01:04:53):
point where he's kind of tarnished the guy's image, and
people that actually really knew him and like Bill Murray
for example, have pointed out that this was not that
he's not describing the situation as the person was or
situations he was in, and and that that that that
really calling to question the journalistic contiderary of that book.

(01:05:14):
So when if he's willing to do that with that book,
then do you have to look at the Watergate thing
and say Nixon was not a crock who.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Was deep throat? Who the hell was deep throat? No
one knows. They just met in some dioty old car park.
Who the hell was he? Peeth throat exists.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Maybe Nixon was a good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Maybe maybe he was.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
I don't think so, Craig, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Hey, look, thank you guys.

Speaker 9 (01:05:38):
Wow.

Speaker 27 (01:05:38):
Yeah, what a lot to unpack there. Eh, I've been
making you guys for a couple of hours while I've
been chilling out doing a few things.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
But sorry about that.

Speaker 27 (01:05:48):
Oh no, no, no issues all. And it's been a
pretty i think a fair sort of cross section of
people that are commenting about it. So you know, that's
what Jennalism was about.

Speaker 7 (01:06:05):
Isn't it.

Speaker 28 (01:06:05):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Talkback's good like that because anyone can reun eight hundred
and eighteen eighty and get on the air. Well the
lines are full, but we try and try and get
try and get people on you know.

Speaker 27 (01:06:16):
Yeah, yeah, I think the main point of journalism, isn't
it as really to look at both sides?

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Yeah, and do you think that's happening?

Speaker 11 (01:06:24):
Great?

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Sorry, do you think that's happening?

Speaker 27 (01:06:28):
No, definitely not. No looking at the attack on Luxon,
that's just in the last week. I'm not going to
go right back to the beginning, which has been pretty
much the same. But in the last week, the attack
on Luckson's credibility as a leader of the National Party
has purely been a wind up, and I think that's

(01:06:51):
been displayed pretty openly. And Luxon is like a deer
in the headlights with the sort of thing. He's not
really good at dealing with this sort of stuff. Like
I think he's just one of those guys that's naturally
expects people to believe what he says because he's honest.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Yeah, Well, what I see of lux and this is
my opinion obviously, Craig, And that's a good thing about
talkback is I think he tries to be a diplomat,
and when it comes to the media, they are not
there to listen to someone trying to be diplomatic. They
are adversarial when it comes to politicians, and a lot
of them want to scalp. So trying to discuss your

(01:07:34):
way out of a situation where the media are bombarding
you with various punishing questions has not been effective for him,
And perhaps this is the start of him just shutting
it down, saying I've given you an answer, We're going
to move on. Given you an answer, We're going to
move on. Very similar to how John Key and Helen
Clark operated. They were the masters at it. And maybe
you know if he's turned that leaf and he can

(01:07:54):
he can operate like that, whether it all changes fortunes,
what do you reckon?

Speaker 27 (01:07:59):
I personally hope he doesn't. I don't think we need
a politician right now. That's my honest feeling about what's
going on New Zealant is we do not need a politician.
We need somebody who has a firm grasp on the
economic situation. And I think Luckslon's doing an incredibly good

(01:08:20):
job of holding Winston Peters. And let's face it, this
is a coalition that could have been a disaster, but
he's done a really good job of holding it all together.
So I give him four points for his managerial skills.
And that's what New Zealand needs right now, is managerial skills.

(01:08:41):
We're not a massive country, we don't have a massive economy.
We don't have the ability to tell everybody this is
how we want it, like Donald Trump does. We have
to be very careful about how we discuss things openly
in international politics, and I think Luckson's done an awesome

(01:09:01):
job of that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
It's an interesting idea, though, isn't it that you could
have people that are actually leading the country if you've
got a party, and then you have the person that's
selling what the party's doing, right, And it seems like
that's kind of what people want because there always has
thing Luxe and for not being great with media. That's
not really his job as it is. His job is
to run the country and then talk to the media.

(01:09:25):
But politics as such, you need to sell the dream
to the media. So if you were a totally cynical party,
you would just find the best debta, the best talker,
I know, the best looking, the most charismatic person, and
you'd put them up front, and then just in the
back room you'd have the people like Christopher Luxe and
running the actual show as it were. If you think

(01:09:48):
Christoph Luxeon is competent at what he's doing but isn't
good at selling the dream to the media, then wouldn't
you find I know, I think of Bill Clinton, for example,
people say whatever they think of his politics, if you
were in the room with Bill Clinton, he was just
an electric personality. People were drawn to him. He had
so much charisma, incredible amounts of charisma. They say the
same thing about a bar or as well. They say

(01:10:08):
that about Trump as well when people meet them. Yep,
So is that what politics is going to be in
New Zealand? You know going forward they go someone that
deals with the media and someone that deals with running
with the country, running the country, and so the Prime
Minister ended up being sort of a figurehead.

Speaker 27 (01:10:24):
I honestly think that that's the problem that we've got
in New Zealand. We need to understand that we are
not a big player on the global seem of things.
We having a big personality. Honestly, that means nothing to me.
When it comes to economy. We've got bills to pay,
We've got a government that needs to be funded carefully.

(01:10:46):
We've got an economy that needs to be really tended to,
and I think Laxon is doing a brilliant job with that.
I think people in New Zealand have really got to
get away from this personality issue. Like Jacinda Radernant amazing personality, charismatic.
You know, the whole world fell in love with ciner

(01:11:08):
A durn but destroyed the New Zealand economy. So hey,
I'd rather somebody that's just common sense sits back and
does the job. And I think that's where New Zealand's
got to really grow.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
Up a little bit.

Speaker 27 (01:11:25):
Like we are not a big nation. We do not
need a charismatic leader. We need a leader that actually
looks after New Zealand, and I think lacks in someone
brilliant job of that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
You great, great, Yeah, very interesting. What do you say?
Do you agree with Craigo one hundred and eighty ten eighty?

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
This is interesting. A friend of mine used to work
at the Financial Times, right, and this is written in
big letters on the wall. Right, is my story fair
and accurate to all parties and issues it describes? Is
it clear? Is it boring?

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
It's a great it's a great poster.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Those are the questions that they had to ask because
it is my story fair and accurate to all parties
and issues that describes. Is it clear? And then is
it boring because that's the part of it that has
to be in there and commerce organization?

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Right, Yeah, can't be boring. Nope, because no one will
read it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Because you can you can do the best piece of
journalism in the entire world that's completely sober and balanced
and no one will read it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Yeah, exactly, that's the balance. How do you find that
nine two ninety two is the text number? It is
thirteen to three the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along
the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks
that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
It is aleven two three what I was saying before.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Maybe that's why you know someone saying Ronald Reagan was
another classic one. You know, Yeah, afternoon guys. I think
what you just said, Matt is what has changed. You
used to have to sell the dream to the public
and the media would report it. Now the media have
become a gatekeeper and they decide how the dream has
passed on to the public. That's from Dan the six

(01:12:58):
says luxeen has a pr issue, not a competency issue.
I wouldn't call that a serve to the media by
Luxe and more a cry than anything and shows how
we he is truly is by not taking questions. Get
out of the kitchen if it's too hot. They said
they they'll fix the economy and bring down inflation. They've
done neither, and everything is so expensive because of this
goverment looks like a government under the pump to me.

(01:13:19):
That's from Jazz Welcome to the show, Graham.

Speaker 9 (01:13:23):
Hey guys, how's it going.

Speaker 10 (01:13:26):
Hey?

Speaker 29 (01:13:27):
I want to have a quick comment about tvn Z bias.
But before I do that, one small thing people talking
about lux and not answering questions. I mean, i'd remind
everyone that Hipkins refused to funt and take oral questions
at the COVID inquiry, which I think had a far
bigger impact on New Zealand society and the economy than

(01:13:47):
some might Assuman Whick dream about some supposed leadership challenge.
So that's pretty small change.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Decid it wouldn't go on hosting anymore, would shewow exactly?

Speaker 29 (01:13:58):
So yeah, but yeah so TV ins advice And also
quick comment of Radio Z So TVNZ is an se
so it does have So there's some public funding in there,
which I think pushes them more towards a requirement to
be independent even though they aren't. I recall they did
an audit on their bias an impartiality recently, which they

(01:14:22):
trumpeted as saying that they were completely impartial. So they
got this guy called Alan Sunderland over and he used
to work at the ABC, And anyone reads any Australian
press will know that the ABC, everyone there hops around
on a left leg because if they put their right
foot down they'd be accused taking a step to the right.
So they were they are a bunch of rabbit left wingers.

(01:14:43):
Guy turns up for a week, watches a bit of
TV basically and says, oh, I know mikeel Sherman, John Cam,
but Jack Tame, they're They're all perfectly impartial, and then
buggers off TV and Z refuses to present any of
the report to anyone, claiming privacy and all the rest
of it, and his case closed. I mean, seriously, it

(01:15:05):
was barely March when Benedict Collins, other than choosing to
report on a story which showed forty nine thousand fewer
victims of violent crime since this government took power, and
Steve decided to forget all that and put up a
story about game numbers increasing. And then when he was
dragged next day kicking and screaming to the screen to

(01:15:26):
actually report the statistics because the chair of TVNZ, and
Andrew Bailey, called Paul Goldsmith to apologize. They put up
a graph where they manipulated the x Y access to
make the drop off and crime figures look less dramatic
than it actually was. I mean, come on, guys, seriously,
I remember a story last year Radio New Zealand one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
We've got to play some messages, but we're going to
come back. You made a good point about TV and Z.
We'll hear what you've got to say about r n
Z next. It is seven to three The Issues that affect.

Speaker 9 (01:15:57):
You and a bit of fun along the way Matt
Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News Talk Z.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Five to three. Graham it mate, we got you back.

Speaker 29 (01:16:08):
Yeah, just one more thing quickly. So last March Radio
New Zealand went over one hundred stories in a single
month on bloody school lunches, like twenty five stories a
week reporting. That's that's that's immediate war on the government.
So yeah, any claims of non bias from from Radio

(01:16:32):
New Zealand and Z and stuff, It's.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Like, can you see a potential motivation for Radio and
New Zealand to run a campaign like that against the government.

Speaker 29 (01:16:42):
Oh, maybe something to do with them having their budget cut, possibly,
I thought, But that would just be speculation.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Matt You know I would dare ask you to speak nice. Hey, mate,
it was good to get you back. Thank you very
much for giving us a buzz.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
I'll tell you what you know. You know, was the
latest lux and leadership for caass reel or a beat up?
Was it just a bunch of backbench losers winging pumped
up for clicks as maybe, But it'll be interesting to
see if if we can get another of the media
I say weak because we're out of the media.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
We have the media.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
We'll get another one going because the next one is
going to really lack credibility, isn't It's you know how
many times you get to pump that story yep without
it coming to fruition before people really start to look
at your credibility?

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Yeah, spot on right, great two hours of discussion, Thank
you everyone who called, and teach coming up after three o'clock.
Tim Cook is stepping down as CEO of Apple. But
the question we've got for you as what are your
thoughts on Apple products? So one hundred and eighty ten
eighties the number to call the big.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Matty's and Taylor Adams. Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Said, be afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
It is seven past three. Great to have your company
this afternoon. So, just three months after they were pulled
from the pie warmers, pucketung A Bakery's horse meat pies
are available again and seem to be proving just as
popular as if. The pies inspired by Lohi hosse, a

(01:18:11):
tongue and horse meat dish, went viral on social media
over some of it, but the bakery had to stop
selling them in generary as the lo Hay horsey mixture
they were using contained horse meat that hadn't been cleared
for human consumption. There is only one meat processor, registered
dislorter and process horse meat for human consumption in New
Zealand and pucketing A Bakery has got them to supply

(01:18:34):
the pies. Hence, while they're backing on the line right now,
is the owner of Pocketing your bakery faux Bok really
nice to chat with you.

Speaker 18 (01:18:41):
Hey man Tyler, thank you for having me nice to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Chat with you. Can I just start what what is
lo hey hosse so.

Speaker 18 (01:18:49):
Moisie, it's a tongue in dish. That's I don't know
how long they've been needing it, but a very long time.
And they're a very popular dish in the Tongan community.
So it's just coconut cream, onions and horse meat sheded
horse meat.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
How does horse meat taste compared to say.

Speaker 18 (01:19:09):
All, Probably the same. It's like if it's unseasoned, it's
just meat, you know, it's the same thing. It's just
the way they season or the way you like mix
it with other ingredients. But it's just a more of
like a rough taste, like yeah, more rough.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
Well, what's the sacred to cooking horse meat? What do
you have to get right to have a tasty, tasty
bit of horse There's not much.

Speaker 18 (01:19:31):
That goes into it. It's just a lot of coconut cream.
That's that's the main thing, coconnut cream.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
So if you sold someone and I know you wouldn't
do this, but if you made the same dish but
with beef, would it taste significantly different?

Speaker 18 (01:19:46):
But I don't know. Maybe maybe I think it's just
like the idea of just having.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
A horse meat in the ra Yeah yeah, and where
do you where do you get your horse meat from?

Speaker 18 (01:19:55):
We've got so these one registered supply of New Zealand.
I'm not too sure if I could name them at
the moment because I've talked to you out Radio New
Zealand and they haven't posted who they are. Is well,
I think it's just for like a of our privacy
is just for the company.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
And so now you've started making these pies again, how
are you selling? How popular are they?

Speaker 18 (01:20:18):
So in the first day since we launched it on
Friday we really launched on Friday, maybe just about one
hundred throughout the week, one hundred each day throughout the weekend,
and after the news probably we are around two hundred now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Wow.

Speaker 18 (01:20:31):
Yeah, So the news was supposed to get today on Monday,
and today it's just jumped up to like another hundred
and I'm expecting it might be a bit more later
on the week.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
Is it mainly fans of the dish or is it
people wanting to try something different that are coming in
and buying your pies?

Speaker 21 (01:20:47):
Both?

Speaker 18 (01:20:47):
Mixture both. I've got a lot of ethnicity to come
and try it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
How hard is it to source? I mean you're selling,
You're moving a lot of these horse pies. How hard
is it to source? The amount of meat your.

Speaker 18 (01:20:59):
Need so the supplier, I believe he's got a lot
of horse meat because I think one tool for a
horse is it gives a lot of horse meat because
horse is the point the gay.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
Yeah horsegger than me.

Speaker 18 (01:21:15):
Yeah, yeah, no, So I think they've got plenty to
go around at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
So the horses that are turned into horse meat that
are put into your pies, are they bred to be
you know, they're they're meat animals. They're not They're not
gone racing animal.

Speaker 18 (01:21:31):
The racing animals has got like you know, they've got
all types of steroids and stuff, right, which wouldn't be
like forth to consuming.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
You know, they'd be too muscular, wouldn't they. Yeah, yeah,
so yeah, So the.

Speaker 18 (01:21:42):
Surprisers got their license and i've before I started selling
there my chipdowk mp I. So Mr officers are been
dealing with and the Auckland City Council and they gave
me the the green light to go overhead with it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
So if someone wanted to try one of your one
of these horse pies, one of then you know how
how you can't be You must be selling out reasonably
early in the day, are you.

Speaker 18 (01:22:07):
Yeah, So maybe like one or two o'clock we might
be selling up. It depends how much we can make
in a day.

Speaker 7 (01:22:11):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:22:11):
Sometimes we can't sell so much.

Speaker 21 (01:22:14):
We can't make so much.

Speaker 18 (01:22:15):
Because we've got other things to do, like cooked chicken chips. Yeah,
and if there's a line outside, we can't really make
any pies. We just have to serve customers. So we've
been trying to stay back and make it as much
as possible. So even two hundred is pushing it. I've
been staying up to seven eight eight pm movie night.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
Do you experience people that are squeamish about it when
you talk about it, because you know, the way I
look at horses is riding them. Yeah, people racing them.
I don't immediately go towards eating them. Yes, So do
you do you experience a bit of that when you
talk about horse meat pies? People going what are you doing?
You can't be bloody serving up horse.

Speaker 18 (01:22:54):
Yeah, that's what a lot of a lot of people like, oh,
well these two like these that people, these those types
of people like you guys, and then these like you know,
the other people that's like, oh, it's really delicious. So
I'm just in the middle, just providing for who wants
to go.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
You've got I got no skin in the argument apart
from yourself.

Speaker 18 (01:23:13):
Some people like it. It's a controversial, you know, And
I don't blame people who like, you know, give me
so much ship for it, because I understand you have
their own opinion. But you know, I can't puse everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
Is there any other Is there any meats that about
that you wouldn't you wouldn't put in a pie?

Speaker 7 (01:23:31):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:23:31):
Definitely cats and dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
You wouldn't put at a dog.

Speaker 18 (01:23:35):
I'll definitely get in big trouble for that, even though
I joke about it, but I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
I wouldn't be happy if you put my dog in
one of your pies.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Not much meat on them.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Hey, yeah, really nice to chat with you, and in congrats,
you're obviously supplying the market there, so we wish you
all the best. It's an interesting product and we'll see
what the audience think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
What's what's the name of your business and.

Speaker 18 (01:24:00):
Where are you pickering a bakery? If anyone wants to
follow us on Instagram, it's Bakery Boys or TikTok and
we on bear great stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Hey, Foe, thank you very much. For having to catch
up with us. That is faux Boch, the owner of
Pucketing a bakery serving these horse pies. So what do
you reckon? Would you try one of these horse pies?
Is that a little bit too far for you? And
if it is what meat is acceptable to eat? How
is a horse different to a sheep, cattle, dog, cats apparent?

Speaker 9 (01:24:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
Why is it different?

Speaker 7 (01:24:31):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
In my head is it odd to eat horse meat?
But I'm totally fine with kami? Why is that?

Speaker 8 (01:24:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Interesting question? What do you say? Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty? Is that number nine to niney two?

Speaker 7 (01:24:41):
Is the text?

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
That is thirty past three?

Speaker 9 (01:24:42):
Used talks?

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
It be news talks, there be it is sixteen past three.
So Pucketing your bakery is got horse meat pies back
on the menu after a three month standdown? Is that
too far for you? Would you try a horse meat pie?

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
Is there anything wrong with eating horses? Leslie? Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 30 (01:24:59):
Hello. I was traveling about twenty years ago through Switzerland,
I guess, and we stopped at a really seeming expensive
restaurant and I opened the menu and here was the
word horse. And I looked at it and said, I
can remember pointing at it horse and I looked at
the waitress and she said to me, yes, we do

(01:25:20):
breed horses for eating, and I must have, so I
had to have one. I vaguely remembered being pretty thin
and pretty tough, but I didn't everything.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
How was it served just like the steak?

Speaker 29 (01:25:34):
Right?

Speaker 30 (01:25:35):
They bete thing there's And the other thing is that
when you mentioned that you didn't like thought of eating
horses cause their people's pets. I was going through South
America and I used to have to teach about the
poor people eating guinea pigs in South America. So when
I got there, I actually went to a really partial

(01:25:55):
restaurant and I said to the group, well, I looked
at the menu and there wasn't any guinea peg on it.
So I went and asked the cook can I have
a guinea pig for me? And they all thought us,
they all thought us stupid. He said it'll cost you
about eighteen dollars. I said, I don't care. I just
want to eat. I want to try it, and so
he said yes, i'd do it. Well, we left four
o'clock of a following morning to go to march Upchu.

(01:26:17):
When we came back. They had it already cooked for me,
but were a bit late, so it was a bit dry,
and they'd cut the bits out so that you couldn't
recognize it as a guinea pig. But the whole bus
load of Americans there were horrified because guinea pigs are
the pets in America and you don't eat them. I
don't think they'd speak to me for about two days
after that, and once.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
Again I got asked the question, how was the guinea pig?

Speaker 21 (01:26:38):
Served cut it up into bits.

Speaker 30 (01:26:41):
And around the plate I think it had been roast
or something around the plate so you could only see
the bones of things. You could just see more bones
than anything else. And it did taste nice like chicken,
like everybody sees like chicken. But it was nice and
I'm glad I tried it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
They could have taken the bones away and I've been
a boneless guinea pig.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
Is there any any mammal you wouldn't eat, Leslie?

Speaker 20 (01:27:03):
Oh?

Speaker 30 (01:27:03):
I wouldn't thought of it.

Speaker 18 (01:27:05):
I would know.

Speaker 30 (01:27:06):
I tried. I tried what do you call it? The
little pigs?

Speaker 19 (01:27:09):
And in.

Speaker 30 (01:27:13):
South Africa, I tried the little ones that run after
each other in a line, dead, his off, Mum, he's
on behind him, and the little ones after.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Them, the little pig like Pombo, the lion king.

Speaker 30 (01:27:25):
Uh, one of those ones. That's one year. That was
That was really good. I loved it because I've beaten
the daylights out of it and it was really soft
and lovely. That was a hurrari just out of there
quite like. But I'm too old now I've finished all
those things. I've got normal Tho. There was a who You've.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Had a really You've had a really interesting colony, culinary
journey around the world.

Speaker 30 (01:27:52):
I do I have to try something that's the local.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
If I served up my dog Colin, would you be
interested in eating that? Leslie? Eating him?

Speaker 30 (01:27:59):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:28:00):
I probably.

Speaker 30 (01:28:03):
I couldn't do that. It wasn't my problem.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Would Yeah, he didn't have a name and I didn't
love him with all my heart.

Speaker 30 (01:28:14):
Okay, well, thank you very.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
Much, thank you so much. Then Leslie appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Yeah, what experience.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Hi guys, this is seriously gross and barbaric selling horse
meat pies definitely not in keeping with our Kiwi culture.
Horses are the most intelligent of animals and man's best friend.
It's appauling this is allowed to be eaten in our country.
Cheers dead, she's against it greyhound pie, says this texter.
Another one says, with the greyhound industry shutting down, maybe

(01:28:40):
the bakery could add a new pie.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Cheers, mate, thank you very much for that. Tics pretty lean,
pretty lean, the old greyhounds. Yeah, I know, I don't
know if you get much meat off them.

Speaker 13 (01:28:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of cool.
So are you like many of the texts coming through
you reckon? Horse meat is too far? And if it is,
where's the line when it comes to what meat is
acceptable to eat? Nine to ninety two is the text number?
It is twenty past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoon call. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on US Dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
EDB News Dogs B. We're talking about horse meat pies
are back on the menu at Pakongu Bakery. But the
question I've got for you is would you eat a
horse meat pie? And if it's too far?

Speaker 21 (01:29:22):
Why?

Speaker 7 (01:29:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
Wey?

Speaker 13 (01:29:23):
And what was that?

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
There was a good joke about my dog Colin. I
can't believe I'm talking about Colin's probably listening, So I
leave the radio on for him. Oh god, you're a
good boy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Get me terrified when you get home. There's a nice
line here. It says, I'll try your dog, Matt. It
will be a culinary experience.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
See that's smartest, that is clever, well done.

Speaker 21 (01:29:39):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
In terms of meat eaten around the world, thirty six
percent is pork, Poultry thirty three percent beef twenty four percent.
Sheep and goats combined only make up five percent. By
number of animals, Chickens are the most. Seventy billion chickens
a year are eaten in the world. Who seventy billion,
oh my goodness, chicken aside five million horses a slaughtered

(01:30:03):
for food a year globally.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
It's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
The biggest consumers of horser Italy, France, Belgium and Kazakhstan.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Italy in France surprises me. Love a bit of horse.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Well that's why there was that big I think was
the supermarkets called Iceland. I was living in England at
the time and there was a big controversial because I'd
found a lot of horse in their beef pies, right,
their meat pies, I remember that yet. But that was
because in France, sweet airs to put horse in your
beef pies right, and because of the whole EU situation,
the pies were getting all mixed up and sold in
supermarkets in the UK. Next thing you know, people are

(01:30:34):
like they did a bit of a DNA test and
people were eating horse and they were happy about it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
No, they words, oh one hundred and eighty ten eight
years then able to call it a mkayla Hi, Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 31 (01:30:44):
Just reading about the horse reat pies. Yes, excuse me,
I've got a cold.

Speaker 10 (01:30:49):
Right.

Speaker 31 (01:30:50):
Yes, I tried one once at Rickets and race Course
because I found out they were horse reet pies.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
It was one of the racing horses.

Speaker 31 (01:31:01):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Well, you just don't know that anyway. Odd place to
sell pies.

Speaker 31 (01:31:08):
Yeah, but you get it at McDonald's unless you ask
for the Angus burger, which is the beef one. And
I always get that. My brother makes me eat something
I don't want to when you come. But it's be
a war food and everybody has an individual right to
eat it because they've got a war that they sought

(01:31:30):
out without taking it to the army.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
That's interesting. I think McDonald's might push back on that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Yeah, I think we can safely say McDonald's does not
have horse meat burgers.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
No, that's an all beef patty.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Yeah, it's good stuff as well, tasty.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Appreciate it. Welcome to show, Rob rob get a Rob
Robbie there. Yeah, I am sorry, something happened.

Speaker 25 (01:31:57):
The interesting discussion. I've eaten horsemeat many times. Yes, it's
a very dark red, lean, very lean meat. And in
Il and they run horses as as like cattle. They
break raise them and they kill them at ely month
or two years old. There's a couple of three plants

(01:32:18):
that over there that are mostly starved, staffed by Kiwis.
And it's absolutely beautiful, right, And so.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
You see that, So you would choose horse meat, you
wouldn't just be eating it for a novelty.

Speaker 25 (01:32:31):
No, I've eaten it many times in New Zealand. I'm
a farmer. And when we kill a horse for the
dogs to usually take the backstreads out of.

Speaker 13 (01:32:39):
It and eat them.

Speaker 25 (01:32:41):
We don't eat the four quarter or anything like that.
But any meat in the back end.

Speaker 9 (01:32:45):
Is great, right.

Speaker 25 (01:32:47):
People tell you it's salty. That's that's not true at all.
It's a beautiful meat and on a young horse it's
very very tender.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
And how you can get it.

Speaker 25 (01:32:57):
We fried a steak.

Speaker 13 (01:33:00):
Just like beef. Just treat low beef.

Speaker 25 (01:33:02):
And I've eaten zebra and that's and that was roasted
and that was delicious too.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
So were was that in South Africa?

Speaker 25 (01:33:09):
Was it was in South Africa? In Zimbabwe?

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
And what's been a zebra or horse meat in your opinion?

Speaker 25 (01:33:16):
Well, I've only ever had zebra once, but there was
nothing wrong with it was beautiful, it was roasted, and
it was in a wild specifically wild meat restaurant in Hirari.

Speaker 17 (01:33:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Is there any memo you wouldn't eat rob.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:33:35):
I haven't had to go a dog, but I've been
with people that have eaten dogs in northern Northern Lao.
But boy, that you can't get within two meters of
the body eight is absolutely overpowering from the dog. Right,
So no, I wouldn't need a dog of a cat.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Note what about a bit of whale?

Speaker 25 (01:33:55):
Yes, I've eaten whale.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
What was that in Norway or Japan?

Speaker 25 (01:34:00):
It was in the Arctic in Northern Canada. Yeah, it
was We ate the fat under the skin, which is
a ill cased to the Inuit. It's very very chewy
and quite fat. And I didn't particularly enjoyed it was
too fat, but that's the main part of their diet.
They want that fat for the cold conditions. It's called

(01:34:22):
mooktook and I had it a number of times when
I was with the Inuit, but I wouldn't need to
buy choice.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
No, when you said that, you on farm, you lead
a horse if it dies. So what does that name.

Speaker 11 (01:34:38):
Down?

Speaker 25 (01:34:40):
We have to put it down for the dogs. We'll
take the back none off, it's a diseased or old
or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
But what do you mean put it down to the dogs?

Speaker 25 (01:34:50):
Well for dog tugger.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
So you'll grow the horse to put it down for
the dog, or you're putting the horse down. Something wrong
with the horse?

Speaker 25 (01:34:58):
Yeah, if they became aged or rather than see them die,
which is cruel you to put them down?

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Yeah, waste not what not?

Speaker 7 (01:35:06):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
Do you know because there is one plant to New
Zealand that can legally provide horse meat to commercial businesses
like this bakery. Do you know where is it? Part
of this Kaimanawa horse felling situation they got going on.
Do you know if they reuse those particular horses?

Speaker 25 (01:35:21):
No, I don't, but I know there was a plant
licensed in Gore. I don't know if it's still there,
but it was there some years ago and that was
the only one that I know of in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Well, thank you for you cool Rob, Thanks for your insights.
What about the Kaimanawa horses? Don't we need to get
rid of some of those?

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Yeah, they need to be killed on a regular basis.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Don't we round them up and eat them? Hey, guys,
people eat horse meat and war or famine. Although I
did eat whale meat Norway twenty years ago and it
was very nice. So there's differing views on whale meat.

Speaker 13 (01:35:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
So I think Tonga the horses were introduced by missionaries
in maybe eighteen fifty around that sort of time, yep.
And then you know, forgetting around the island. But then
there was apparently there was a period of famine, and
so the horses were eaten, right because you know, if
you're hungry, you're not going to question needing a horse
ap exactly if you if it's between you and the horse,

(01:36:14):
living needs must And then then that became from then
it became something that was eaten a lot, you know,
going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Yeah, interesting, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call? So horse meats are on the menu,
horse meat pies, I should say on the menu at
Puckatahu Bakery. Is that something that you've tried or would try?
And if not, what do you think it goes too far?
Nine two ninety two is the text number headlines with
Raylene coming up.

Speaker 15 (01:36:39):
You've talk said be headlines with your Ride, New Zealand's
number one taxi app Download your ride today. Meat Service
says conditions are improving and weather warnings reducing, but people
should still stay alert. Multiple North Island highways have closures
with continued orange rain warnings for Southern Hawks Bay, Tuttardoo,

(01:36:59):
Wided Upper and parts of Wellington. Power and cell phone
coverage is out in Tartadoo's Herbertville. Belice have been unable
to find anyone in the fast moving mana Watuu River
after reports of a person in the water near fitz
Herbert Bridge about nine point thirty this morning. The Prime
Minister has initiated and survived a motion of confidence as

(01:37:22):
National Party leader after speculation there was dissatisfaction in zta
is consulting staff on proposals that could cost two hundred
and fifty jobs many can reapply for new roles consumer
and Z's found power bills rise unevenly, worsening the further
from the source of supply and for small populations, which

(01:37:44):
also tend.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
To be lower income.

Speaker 15 (01:37:47):
How Bruce the Keia landed at the top of the
pecking order without a beak. See the full story at
enzidherld dot co dot nzet Macknata Matteathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
Thank you very much, Raylan's for talking about horse meat pies.
You can buy one at pucketing a bakery than I
now got them back on the menu, So would you
be up for trying horse meat pie? And also a
lot of text I mean through what is the strangest
meat that you've ever tried, whether it was traveling abroad
or in New Zealand. Oh, eight hundred and eighteen eighty
is that number to call?

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
Re eating horses, says March. Most Westerners have an aversion
to eating animals that is directly related to the perceived
intelligence of the animals. So dogs, horses, and cats are intelligent,
sheep hens and pigeons not so much. That's an interesting
point because.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Aren't pigs quite intelligent, very intelligent? And yet we had
a lot of pigs yep, octopus and squid apparently are
quite intelligent. We love I love a good bit of squid.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
Deh Yeah, interesting, good a, James, Yeah, good a.

Speaker 8 (01:38:48):
Talking about the horse meat, we quite a few horses
out on the farming as well. Like Rob said, I
think I was robbed the phone call earlier. Yeah, And
we work at the Beckstags and the hardest spider is
just getting past the smell on the barbecue.

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
It smells what does this? I mean, it might be
hard to describe, but what does it smell?

Speaker 8 (01:39:06):
Like a different type of it's yeah, it's just plays
in their back of your mind. It's smell I reckon
r It's not it's not. It's nothing wrong with it
sort of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
But well, you get used to get used to smells
like like a lamb roast actually stinks quite a lot,
but it's something we used to right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So the smell aside, I suppose when
you're eating it you don't notice that that musk when
you're eating it.

Speaker 8 (01:39:38):
No, I've always an had on the barbecue, so it's
always outside as well. But it's just a funny, funny smell,
like a how do you slaim like a gamey sort.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Of similar to venison or no, No, we eatute a
lot of venison, but venison doesn't really have a smell
to it, does It.

Speaker 8 (01:39:57):
Depends of the big old douty odd stag that you get.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Yeah, good point, good point, get my view from the
from the butcher.

Speaker 8 (01:40:07):
Not to be very different a good The other good
one is peacocks, right, yeah, peacocks. We've shot a few
in the tree and the grandma goes, oh, I'll cook
them up for you guys. So she cooked them up
in milk. Well, the living pick out of it and
cooked and bought it a milk and just ate it

(01:40:29):
next to some potatoes. And that wasn't bad at all.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
Right, And so so this, I mean, must be reasonably
easy to shoot a peacock, because if they're running around
with the massive feathers out of the back, you're a
pretty good target.

Speaker 22 (01:40:40):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:40:42):
He just waited for it in the dik and then
just shot in the tree.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
So it's like chicken peacock.

Speaker 8 (01:40:48):
It's a lot tougher than chicken.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Right, Just trying to think the birds that I've eaten
not my bird variety in terms of what I've consumed
is not high. Chicken is right up there, yep. Peasant
yeh be like peasant, right, yes, but a.

Speaker 8 (01:41:02):
Pretty more tough and than pheasant. Maybe it might have
been just the way the grandma cooked it, you know.
She reckons the milk would have made them.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
But softer and so she just have she just knew
how to cook a peacock. She just had that information.
No worries. I've got a peacock recipe right now.

Speaker 8 (01:41:18):
Oh Ricans, put the milk and board up the milk
and put it on the plate.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
I've got nothing wrong with eating peacock. Yeah, there's a
few of them around. Yeah, yeah, James, thanks very much.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
The sexus is weeow horses, huge debt down through the centuries.
They have carried our military, our pioneers, and contributed much
to farming and agriculture. They are loyal and smart. Eating
them is hardly fitting stuff your pies.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
There's a lot of horse love coming through. Get a leslie, hi.

Speaker 11 (01:41:44):
Here you going, guys?

Speaker 26 (01:41:45):
Good?

Speaker 20 (01:41:47):
Now?

Speaker 24 (01:41:47):
Has anybody had alligator?

Speaker 21 (01:41:49):
Not me?

Speaker 18 (01:41:51):
It's delicious?

Speaker 24 (01:41:52):
Wouldn't I wouldn't have thought I would have reason it
other But on a recent trip to South Africa, we
actually inquired and said, do you cook it? And yes
they did, so they cooked it for us. They sort
of grilled it, and I'll tell you what, it was
absolutely delicious. I can't explain the flavor, but it was awesome.
It was sort of aspose between beef and so chicken, right,

(01:42:18):
So it was delicious.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
So in terms of reptiles, we're not so worried about
eating different reptiles, are we? So you need it? You'd
eat turtle, you'd eat you'd eat We eat iguana, frogs, frogs.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
Yeah, pamoto dragon. Why wouldn't we go to catch Well,
I put up a fight, that's for sure. You'd have
to earn it.

Speaker 24 (01:42:42):
But I've eaten quite a few. My mother used to
say to me, you'd eat anything.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
And but the likes of you, yes, you used to be.
I mean there was a time that it was quite
trendy in New Zealand, but I think it's quite hard
to find. There was, you know, emu farms that were
primarily bred for the meat and also the eggs as well.
But it dropped off a bit, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:43:04):
Is it has?

Speaker 24 (01:43:05):
And I also like I love venison. Well, pig let's
hang up for a while. We're just so lucky in
this country. We're apart from the alligator, of course, but
it was just I was just as truly into I
love your show, and I was listening and I thought, oh, see,
if anybody's tried alligator.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Oh, thank you for bringing Leslie. We appreciate it. Yeahod
on you, thank you, thank you, Leslie.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
If anyone out there is selling alligator so as I want.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
If crocodile taste I don't know why I'm thinking this.
It's a silly thing to think. Who cares? But horn
of crocodile an alligator tastes significantly different.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Yeah, what one's a big one? That the alligators are
the big ones, right, and crocodiles are slightly smaller.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Ah, someone's answered this question. They taste crocodile and alligator
are very similar. They taste like chicken and fish combined.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Okay, well that's a good mix. Ten eighty If you've
tried alligator, or what does the strangest meat that you
have tried around the world.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
As Funny as says, we owe horses a huge debt
through the centuries. But a horse is actually that happy about,
you know, us riding around on the back of them
all the time. It's a great question, you know, does
a horse ever go? Why is this bloody monkey on me?
Riding me around?

Speaker 26 (01:44:16):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
And you know, you know, attaching me things to to
pull plows and all the things that we've done to horses,
put all this didy leather on me. I mean, in
the end they're like, well you might as well eat
me as well, after all the other crap you've done
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Tenes love to call it is twenty to four madd
Heath Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on
mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons newsed talks.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
They'd be seventeen to four. What's the strangest meat that
you've tried around the world? This is on the back
of horse meat pie has been available in Pakudunga d
How are you.

Speaker 19 (01:44:47):
Hi, guys?

Speaker 23 (01:44:48):
How very good that guy ragging about peacock. We used
to smoke child peacock and like used to be along
of them. We used to a calo once a year
and smoked peacock is absolutely beautiful. So run than boiling
in a milk, which Bummer chief or mentioned it wouldn't
be very nice to like that, but absolutely smoked is beautiful,

(01:45:12):
very tender, melt in your mouth meat when it's smoked, do.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
You keep you do you keep the feathers?

Speaker 10 (01:45:20):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:45:21):
You cut?

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
And when you display it? Because don't. Sometimes when people
cook peacock, they cooked the peacock and then they stick
the feathers as part of the display on the on
the on the dish.

Speaker 10 (01:45:32):
Yeah, well you could do that.

Speaker 11 (01:45:34):
We what used to happen.

Speaker 10 (01:45:35):
We used to have rugby breakups and he's steal the
food for the boys and that, and so we'd never
call all the peacocks because they get out of heat
and they yeah, yeah, and we'd smoked them up and
they honestly, they're just beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
So yeah, people don't realize that there's world peacocks because
on our farm when I was growing up, one day,
like some peacocks appeared and they just started living in
one of our paddocks, and I was like wow, I
was just so amazed by I couldn't believe. I couldn't
believe that peacocks had just come out and know we're
in living on a farm, but no one else seemed
to be impressed.

Speaker 11 (01:46:09):
Yeah, yeah, they are a bit of a minat.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
I wish I know I have eaten one of them,
I didn't think.

Speaker 23 (01:46:18):
Yeah, no, if you get a chance and get some
of the smoke them, they are delicious smoke.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
And I mentioned there's no difference between a peacock and
a pea hen terms of flavor.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Yep, it's all good.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
All right, them all up, get on your deep Thanks ringing,
Thank you very much. Wilbur crocodile, Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
Yeah, really born in Cape Town. Yeah, and when I
moved to Case, it's in in Durban. That's one of
the first new side type is crocodile. And the best
way to have that one is to barbecue.

Speaker 4 (01:46:50):
It right, right, and so and so you know what
sort of cut, what sort of cut barbecue do you
What sort of cut of crocodile do you barbecue? What
do you have on the barbecue?

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Yeah, you just barbecue, you cut in it and out.
We'll just hopefully that's stabilizers because this is good stuff.
So on the cut hopefully you're still there. Yeah, I'm
still yeah, yeah, perfect, go.

Speaker 5 (01:47:15):
For you go. When you do it on the barbecue,
it taste bitter then before lamb for that matter. It's
just beautiful, even better than venison. Right, we've got quite
of venus and in South Africa as well, and so and.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
So what part of the crocodile are you reading, Wilbur.
He's been taken What a blow, Wilbert. Yeah, he's been
taken down by big Bye. I don't know New Zealand
beef and lamb.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Yeah, you've given out too many secrets on the crocodile, Wilbur.
But sorry about there. Get a Gordon.

Speaker 13 (01:47:51):
Hello, good afternoon to you guys. And just on that
one lady there, she said you'd eat an alligator in
South Africa. Yeah, trust me, there's no alligators, Tony.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Crocodile right, so she was in the alligator it was important.

Speaker 13 (01:48:06):
Well, yeah, it was crocodile. And the fact that you
eat crocodile tail.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
Just the tails, not the belly.

Speaker 13 (01:48:15):
Yep, no, the tail. They're kind of into steaks or
big chunks and its absolute divine.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
So you can't eat the belly at all? Is there?
Just not eatable? It's not very good.

Speaker 13 (01:48:24):
I'm not sure how much how much meat is involved
in the video. They probably due, but I know the
trailer is the is the main eating.

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
Part of it is a commercial alligate slaughtering going on
and growing, you know, alligator to be eaten or are
these wild alligators that people are having on the barbecue.

Speaker 13 (01:48:45):
Once again, once again the crocodiles.

Speaker 26 (01:48:47):
They're not alligator.

Speaker 13 (01:48:50):
Alligators in America.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, sorry sorry crocodile sorry I mean.

Speaker 13 (01:48:56):
And they have they have, they have huge elegant crocodile
farms in Africa, in Zimbabwe into Africa. Yes they do.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
And what sort of of are they seasoned? You know,
the tails or it's just yet you eat it like
a steak.

Speaker 13 (01:49:13):
You eat like a stak. Yep, it's very nice, you know,
just to garnic and cooked on a barbecue on a
week call it bright.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
Yeah all right, thank you so much for you. Call
Gordon and see you lad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
I'll go in a while.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
Crocodile thank you? Heatchog make.

Speaker 7 (01:49:31):
Yeah I.

Speaker 26 (01:49:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:49:34):
So in the u K.

Speaker 32 (01:49:36):
I kindly got to know a bit of a kind
of Gypsy community and that's a delicacy in their community.
They they bake it in they wrap it in clay
and then put it in like an open fire and
then they pulled the play off and this this all
the skin comes off and yes, beautiful, So.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
You wrap it and cray around the prickles and then
cook it up the ball.

Speaker 32 (01:50:01):
Yeah, and then and then it goes into you put
it into and they put it into an open fire
a couple of hours I think it was, and then
they take the clay off and off the click. All
the skin comes off and you just got meat inside
and beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
So so you got the head on it when you're
cooking it, like little snout, little snout.

Speaker 32 (01:50:19):
Well, I didn't see there was no well I didn't
have any head when I was eating it. But like, yeah,
I mean I think I think they're probably they probably
cut that off and like yeah, I'm not sure exactly,
but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
And they kind of I mean maybe different in the UK,
but here they're kind of a bit grubby, aren't they.
You know, worms or TV plea.

Speaker 32 (01:50:37):
FA infested and all sorts. But I mean when they're
dead dead, I suppose kills everything.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
And what it tastes like Mark the heat jog, It.

Speaker 12 (01:50:46):
Was kind of like.

Speaker 32 (01:50:49):
It was it's like a little bit darker than chicken,
kind of them the texted chicken, but a little bit darker.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Right, And is it just the you know, do they
have different cuts on the heagehog? Or everything goes well, now,
I just I mean it was.

Speaker 32 (01:51:04):
It was a gypsy kind of community, so they kind
of just it was just like on the plate. I
don't know what parlor was eating.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
Really, yeah right, Mark, do you know what hedgehogs were
called in Shakespeare's time? For example, in Macbeth and Midsummer
Night's Dream.

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
No idea gone.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
You can tell me huge pigs. Hudge pigs were called
hitch pegs for a very long time, and then one
day Summer said to call them hitchhogs. Hugehogs sounds better.
You got the double a time you have the double
h situation. Thanks you call Mark just works hugehog?

Speaker 11 (01:51:33):
Great?

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number
to course, the strangest meat that you've tried. She your
story it is ten to four.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
And has anyone had one of these horse pies?

Speaker 5 (01:51:42):
Haven't?

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
From many one? Is it a horsepie?

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
Horsepie from the pucketting a bakery that started the soul chat.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
I want to hear from you ten to four, the.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between.

Speaker 9 (01:51:54):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 21 (01:51:57):
It be.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
News talks it be it is seven to four, get a.

Speaker 28 (01:52:01):
Inn, good day, right, Well, I've eaten crocodile. I lived
in paper in the Guinea for a number of years
and and there used to be a company over there
that used to three crocodiles for their poults, and they
used to knock them off at about or it's four

(01:52:22):
or five months, so there were young, young crocodiles, and
then they would sell off the legs. And the muscle
on the legs was the literates, it really was. We
used to buy had make that work there, so we
used to get it for nothing. But they sell them
to the nationals up there, and the nationals eat them.

Speaker 11 (01:52:40):
Uh.

Speaker 28 (01:52:42):
I've never eaten anything else from the crocodile, just a
muscle on the bag legs, the big muscle on their
back legs. And the other thing I've eaten, I've wroten
a couple of other things. They have an animal up
there that's a little bit like a possum called coscos,
and it's a unveiling ceremony after a body's been gone,

(01:53:06):
like the multi after a year bailings. And they cooked
this thing called a crosscuss, which I don't know what
it was no idea, but you know, a sort of
almost bad manners not to actually eat whatever they gave you.
They tend to undercook things rather than cooking promptly, you know,

(01:53:29):
they really do. I mean, I've seen them wake a
pig over the head and chuck it on the fire
and the next thing, you know, they pick jumped off
the fire, and.

Speaker 4 (01:53:38):
That's undercook's very under If the pug's jumping off the fire,
that's not.

Speaker 28 (01:53:41):
Ready, then they all chase after it again and wag
it on the head and bag on the fire, you know,
and maybe because it's dead. And the point is, you know,
like we do, we always bleed and make sure there's
no blood and anything.

Speaker 13 (01:53:54):
None of that.

Speaker 28 (01:53:56):
They just compute it as it is.

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Aaan fascinating interesting Yeah, the sticks it sees.

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
If you're asking me if I would eat a horse,
the answer is nae, very good, very good of the show,
but this topic is disgusting. Yuck, goodbye. Okay, this is
this Texter living in Japan twenty years ago. I ate
a dolphin. Oh no, recently in China, I ate a turtle.
Did you eat the hold off? When you say I
ate a dolphin. Did you eat all of it?

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:54:24):
Some of it?

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Yeah, nothing wrong with a turtle though. They even picked
it from the tank themselves, so that's nice.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Wow. Yeah, I was thinking of having rabbit for dinner tonight.
Can you suggest whether I get it from a butcher
or a pit shop. I'd go butcher. If you're gonna
eat it, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
At least you want to do the work yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
I think you might pay more.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Great discussion. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
Right, that brings us to the end of the show.
Thank you so much for all your calls and texts.
Been a great four hours, isn't it. I'm enjoying myself
a lot. The great and powerful head to do it
to see Ellen's up next, and shares Chris Finlayson on
to discuss the whole luxe In leadership situation after five.
But right now, Tyler, my good friend, why am I
playing this particular tune?

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
Oh what a churn, Elton John, I'm still standing. Surely
it's on that exact topic. Then luxA and went into
the meeting, came out still standing. Nothing to see here.

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
Yeah, it seems like he's going to take a little
bit more of a competitive approach to the media going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
Good on them.

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
Yeah yeah, all right, Okay, thank you so much. As
I said before, we're back live tomorrow from midday until then,
give me a.

Speaker 9 (01:55:26):
Taste of Keeley.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
Ay all right, Dan, you seem busy.

Speaker 9 (01:55:54):
For more from News Talk st B.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Hey Jonas!

Crime Junkie

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Full Show Podcast: 21 April 2026

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Stuff You Should Know

Hey Jonas!

Crime Junkie

All Episodes

Full Show Podcast: 21 April 2026

Stuff You Should Know