Full Show Podcast: 22 April 2026

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Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into the program. It
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are you doing, Mats, I'm doing very.

Speaker 5 (00:38):
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Speaker 6 (00:40):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
nine two nine two. If you want to text us
I ate a horse before you certainly did well.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
It's need to be more on us to ate a
very small amount.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Of a horse, just a little part of a horse.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
A COCONUTI horse.

Speaker 6 (00:52):
Because yesterday on the show we were talking about the
packerger bakery that's doing a roaring trade.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
And horse pies yep, very popular.

Speaker 6 (01:00):
So our producer Andrew went out there, bought a few,
brought them back and I ate one.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yep, you wait one? What do I think of the horse?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I had a little try of it. Look, I mean
I'll start with the taste aspect. So it was drenched
in coconut milk and some other spices and there in
the tongue in tradition, so say, the meat itself was
almost like a cross between beef and venison, a little
bit gamy, but also beefy. Maybe a little bit of
chicken flavor in there as well. Listen to you now,

(01:30):
if I come back to the actual experience of it itself, tough,
very tough. I think it was a lot of a
mental game as I because I did my traditional I
took the lid off and I got a wee fork
in there just to get away. We fork fork load
of horse.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Yeah, you took the lid off and went straight in.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Thought I did that, mate, And there was no ketchup
out there, So you know, I was a bit bopped
off there.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
What I found challenging when I was trying to eat
this horse pie was the four or five people from
the office standing around me going nay, nay, and then
naming famous horse racing horses.

Speaker 7 (02:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
As soon as they brought far Lap into the equation,
I thought I was unfair on you.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
You bring up bone crusher. Someone brought up charisma Mark
Todd's horse, and it just made it hard for me.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
To enjoy the horse.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Did it taste like a champion?

Speaker 5 (02:15):
Do you know what? The pie tasted? Delicious?

Speaker 6 (02:17):
It was, but I lost the mental game. Yeah, And
I couldn't get the couldn't get horse out of my head.
I couldn't couldn't get my horse that I had when
I was growing up on the farm, donut out of
my head.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Four old donuts.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, but if you want to give it a go,
go and buy one. Maybe if you just if you
didn't know it was horse meat, it would be beautiful.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
If someone served that pie to me, Yeah, and I
didn't know it was horse meat, I would have said,
that's a very very delicious pie nicely.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, yeah, bang on.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
It was delicious. Yeah, it's just the mental game that
was lost.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
It was tough. So go check them out. Pocketing your
Bakery is where you find them, and they're incredibly popular
and sell out very quickly, So make sure you get
down there and get yourself a horse pie. Right on
to today's show after three o'clock, speaking about horses loosely.
Many farmers have now received the payout from Fonterra into
their bank accounts. After the multi billion dollar sale of
its consumer brands business. This was around three point two

(03:07):
billion bucks back to farmers. Nice, So on average that's
around four hundred thousand dollars per farm.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Eight thousand dairy farmers give to get a slice of it.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yep, yep, they get a good slice of it. So
that is a huge win for wasn't it and thoroughly
deserved and thoroughly earned. But four hundred thousand dollars per
farmer into your bank account most farmers. If you're listening
right now and you go into your internet banking, you'll
be thinking hallelujah hopefully.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
So how are you spending it? If you're one of
those farmers that got the money trip to the Goldie Holiday?
What are you doing going to Josneyland a new tractor? Yeah,
new car? Or just boringly paying down debt.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
We want to hear everything after three o'clock. One hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number? After two o'clock.
We didn't get to it yesterday, but we will today
because it is big news. Tim Cook is stepping down
a CEO of Apple in September after leading the company
since twenty eleven, transitioning into the role of executive chairmen,
while long time executive John Turnis will take over as CEO.
But during Cook's tenure Apple experience it's massive, massive growth.

(04:09):
It's market value rose from about one hundred and thirty
odd million two sorry a three hundred and fifty billion
to around four trillion dollars and its share price increasing significantly.
But no doubt about it. When Tim Cook came into
the role of CEO after the death of Steve Jobs,
he has done amazing things with that particular company and brand.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean there's you know, people thought that when
Steve Jobs passed away that innovation would stop at Apple,
but you've had Apple Watch in twenty fifteen year. Pods
have been incredibly successful. Yes, you've had the humiliating Apple
Vision Pro. They've probably could have done a bit better
at Apple Silicon. You know, they're replaced the Intel processes.

(04:52):
They've done a lot the iPad pro, there's quite a
lot of stuff come through, and also the services and
software is where they've really made the money. Right, So
you know Apple Pay and you know the amount of
money they make once you've bought the phone.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Someone once said about.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
Apple I think it was the Scott Galloway that they
do Toyota numbers at a ferrari price. They have managed
to convince millions and millions and tens of millions of
people to buy a very very expensive device, and then
when you've got that device in your pocket, they keep
rinsing you from cash. That ecosystem they own, they own

(05:27):
the train tracks for a lot of things. I mean
they Google has to pay them thirty billion dollars a
year and just to have you know their preferred search
engine on their phone.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
You know, it's incredible what they've done. So we want
to have a chat to you about Apple as a brand.
If you're an Apple fanboy or girl, why what do
you love about Apple? That is after too?

Speaker 5 (05:48):
You love Apple?

Speaker 6 (05:49):
Do you hate it? Are you a fan? Are you
excited about any new products? Do you think they are
overpriced devices that that lock you.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Out yep, and keep rinsing you as you use them.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's going to be a great chat after two, oklob.
But right now, let's have a chat about discounts when
it comes to sentencing, specifically the good character discount. A
victim of offending is calling for that good carro discount
to be scramped entirely, arguing that inappropriate and serious cases.
So Sam Troth is his name, and he sees these discounts,
often based on references, letters, or a lack of prior conviction,

(06:19):
can significantly lower prison sentences, sometimes as much as twenty percent.
He said, I quote some of the reasons for the
discounts that are given it sentencing time, and one of those,
probably the most offensive discount of all, is this good
character reference, where a victim or a survivor needs to
listen to a judge taking into account that this person
did these horrific things to them is actually a good
character and discounting their sentences sometimes up to twenty percent.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Yeah, it's something that really annoys people because they picture,
you know, some high powered business person or sports person
or politician that gets treated different ly than everyone else. Yeah,
I'm not sure if that's how it works practically. I mean,
it's either common sense someone who's lived a decent life
deserves a bit of leeway for a one off mistake.

(07:04):
Then you might think that the good character part of
it is hew. Certainly around rehabilitation, you might be able
to show that this person is more likely to be rehabilitated,
or it's a system that just lets people with flash
lives who know powerful people, get lighter sentences for the
same crime.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
You know, what do you think? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Eighty nine two ninety two is the text as well.
She your views come on through an eight hundred and
eighty ten and eighty Coming up after the break, we
are going to speak to Marie Diiberg KC. She is
a renowned defense lawyer in New Zealand and will get
her thoughts about the idea of scrapping the good character discounts.
It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
This Texas, guys, don't forget targeted GPS killer drones.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Okay, okay, all right, thank you. Well we'll remember that.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
It's not related to anything we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
But then, look, I'll tell you what, Texter, They're never
far from my mind, those targeted GPS killer drones.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
And a good thing to write. It's fourteen past one.

Speaker 2 (08:01):

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams as us talks.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
It'd be very good afternoon. It is seventeen past one.
So a victim of offending is urging an end too
good character sentencing discounts, saying they have no place in
serious cases and can lead to lighter penalties for offenders.
To discuss further, we're joined by Barrister Marie Diiberg k C,
who is on the line now. Marie, very good afternoon

(08:29):
to you. Thank you very much for that afternoon.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
No trouble at all.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
So let's just go on with a general question. How
does good character mitigation work in terms of sentencing in
New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (08:38):
Well, it's very critical to sentencing throughout not only New
Zealand but all the Commonwealth countries and who do abide
by the rule of law because what they are sentencing
looks at and this is where your good character or
previous offending or non offending comes in. The court looks

(08:59):
at what prospects does this person have of good rehabilitation?
Is this offending really out of character? What if each
answers of reoffending?

Speaker 9 (09:10):
What fits all?

Speaker 8 (09:12):
So, unless you have the judicial discretion where a judge
has to consider a lot of matters such as this
is the previous good character, you're going to get really
rogue decisions. You're going to get someone who is first
time offender has good prospects of reoffending, versus someone who

(09:36):
is multiple offending is a hopeless case for rehabilitation, and
they both get treated the same. And the whole function
of what our sentencing justice is all about is that
the sentence must fit both the crime and the offender.

(09:57):
So you need to be looking at how serious is
the crime, how serious is this offending? Has this person
got real remorse? Can they be capable of change or
are they not? Those are all matters that a judge
has to line up. And if you just have a

(10:17):
one size fits all, there's no discretion. You're going to
get real in justice and it flies in the face
of the rule of law.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
So for what crimes can good character be invoked? Does
it all crimes or just lesser?

Speaker 8 (10:31):
No, it is all crimes, and it doesn't matter. Can
absolutely go from murder to serious sexual offending all the
way down maybe to shoplifting. Now I think there might
be a bit of a misunderstanding or a bit of
a myth. Judges are not obliged to impose a discount

(10:52):
for good character, And I've made applications and said, you know,
there should be a discount for previous good character and
I haven't got it. You know, they lose it. They say, nope,
not going to do it. And it really has to
be judicial function. Otherwise, like any mandatory sentencing, you might

(11:13):
as sold just do numbers. It becomes the government dictating
in court legislatively what should happen, and it takes away
the judicial justice function, which belongs to the court and
two judges.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
But what constitutes a good character in the eyes of
the lord, And how do you prove that you're a
good character or that your client's.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
A good character.

Speaker 8 (11:37):
Well, there's a whole lot of things that you go.
You look and say, well, what what is their past?
Do they have stability and do they have good support
systems in place? Have they offended in a serious way
or not so serious. So people who can say that

(11:57):
I have a lot of good stability around me and
this is really out of character, because I can show
that I am somebody who's based worthwhile. On this occasion
I offended. These are the reasons why. But that is
not me overall, and I can call on that to

(12:19):
say you don't have to punish me seriously because I'm
already rehabilitated. I'm already working towards making sure I don't
offend again. So you do look at somebody's part and
you're able to say there are things in place, and
those are the things that will help recidivism lower, that

(12:42):
it will allow for really effective rehabilitation, and it will
make sure that that person maintains their social community a wellbeing.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Really, one of the arguments the Spectrum has made in
this article, Marie, is that quite often the good character
discounts applies to those who are well resourced and well
connected in their lives, and theumber of references or letters
that the judges receive, they argue, skews the judge's opinion

(13:15):
or looks more favorably on those people by the mere
facts that they have been well connected in a previous life,
despite what crime they've committed. What's your thoughts on that.
Do you think that is that is a viable argument?

Speaker 8 (13:26):
Well, I think there's an argument to say, do the
wealthy do the famous? Do they get treated better in court? Unfortunately,
in court, if somebody does come from a stable background,
then they will be considered as somebody who is more
likely to respond to punishment and not re offend. But again,

(13:53):
you can have one hundred references. I never myself have
never filed a reference based on whether it's out of
character or a good character, unless I specify that the
person doing the reference is aware exactly of what the
offending is and that that reference is going to be

(14:14):
used in court for sentencing, and that way, there is
merit in having a reference by somebody who knows what
it's for. If it's just doesn't refer to those things,
a judge tends to say, well, I'm sorry, miss Ibert,
this person's just done a reference. It could be for
an employment that there's no confidence I have that they

(14:39):
know what the reference is for and what the person
has done. So judges don't take notice at all or
very little of any references that are not directed towards
that person, the referee knowing what the reference is about,
what they've done, and what it's for.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
You say that judges need to be able to employ
discretion or the government would decide on sentences. Is that
a problem because the government are democratically a lie and
judges are not. So surely you know there's there's there
could be a problem.

Speaker 10 (15:13):
There not at all.

Speaker 8 (15:16):
I would hate to think that we live in a
country that doesn't comply with the rule of law, that
is a democracy, and somebody sitting in parliament who has
no training, no experience in what is justice, that's what
the rule of law.

Speaker 11 (15:34):
But some do.

Speaker 6 (15:35):
Some people sitting in parliament have a lot of experience
in this.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
Those areas are not necessarily some definitely do. Yeah, some do,
but exactly That's why the government, the legislative branch has
to be separated from the judicial branch, because it comes
down to individual people being judged based on precedent, based

(16:01):
on what is proportionate. And that's why you have judges
because they are independent, They stand away from government influence,
from political influence, and they decide in each individual case
as you would want. I would want everybody, even the victims,
would want judge me according to law and judge me

(16:25):
according to what I fit, where I fit in with
the crime.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
So what about it?

Speaker 6 (16:31):
What about mandatory What about what about mandatory sentencing? Then,
so you're not opposed to mandatory sentencing, No.

Speaker 8 (16:38):
I'm totally opposed to mandatory Sentencingtory. Mandatory sentencing absolutely reduces
the rule of law. You might as well just say
once as I say, one size fits all and all
you then have is we don't look at the individual crime,
we don't look at proportionality. We're going to just treat

(17:00):
everybody mathematically the same. That cannot be justice, and that
is absolutely against the.

Speaker 9 (17:07):
Rule of law.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
But a murder is a murder.

Speaker 8 (17:11):
Right, No murders. Murders are murder. That the most, the
biggest crime that you can commit. But with that's the
whole point is having somebody say what you've just said.
All murders are different. Some are really brutal, some are evil,
some are in a moment of passion. They could be drugs,

(17:35):
they could be accidental, but they still are none the
less murder because for a whole lot of reasons. But
they can be very, very different in terms of what
is the circumstances of that murder. And then you look
at those circumstances, you then say, well, we can have
to impose a minimum non parole sentence. We have to

(18:00):
not impose minimum parole because it's all very different, and
you have to judge the person addordingly to the crime
as an individual person.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
And can you see that.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
Some people might look at that and go, so, who's
the judge to do that? Who's the judge to look at.
You know, there's a different a different judge, a different judges,
a different person has a different set of experiences, and
so there will be a variation across the legal system
depending on which judge you.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
End up in front of.

Speaker 8 (18:30):
Well, there is that variation, and sometimes you think, yay,
got a good judge today, and sometimes sure there is variation.
But nonetheless, the judges are bound by precedent. They are
bound by the higher Court because the Supreme Court at
the top, they give the guidelines, and they give the

(18:51):
guidelines what is fair and just, what is what the
law should be and how people should be treated. So
there will be people out there who say exactly what
you say they are saying, and we can't change that.
All I can do is make sure that when I'm
in the courtroom, I fight really hard for justice. I

(19:14):
don't always get it, I don't always feel I get it,
but I'll never give up. And I can totally remain
opposed to mandatory sentencing. It takes away equality before the law,
Marie eakes away proportionality.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah, Marie, thank you very much for joining us. It's
a fascinating discussion, and really appreciate your time and expertise.

Speaker 8 (19:39):
No trouble at all, thanks for asking me.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
That is that is Marie Diiberg KC and of course
well known criminal lawyers. So what do you say to that?
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
two call? So when it comes to these good character
discounts at sentencing, is that a fear way in our
justice system to apply those good character discounts? And if
you've been involved in a situation where the good character

(20:01):
discount or reference applied, what will the circumstances tell us?
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? It's twenty nine past one.

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Speaker 13 (20:25):
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Speaker 12 (20:36):
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Speaker 13 (20:40):
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Speaker 4 (20:53):
Twenty nine to two. So we're talking about good character
discounts when it comes to sentencing for a criminal can
be as much as twenty percent. Is that a fair
way to operate for our justice system of one hundred
and eight ten eighties at number of core plenty of
teachs coming through.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
I think this judge is correct.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
What that mandatory sentencing is not the right way and
it does not need to be judged case by case.
But they're all going too soft.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
What judge, there was a lawyer, criminal lawyer. She wasn't
quite a judge. You think she's talking about Marie Diberts.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Oh right, yeah, yeah, she was not a judge.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
No, but thank of your text, Sylvia, What a load
of rubbish she speaks. She only cares about the criminal.
Plenty of sex offenders have stable backgrounds and plenty of
friends who just won't believe the victim, and right glowing
references previous good character is worth nothing. Yeah, Well, the
case that we're particularly talking about here is in that realm. Yeah,

(21:42):
and I don't think it sits too. It's a very
odd thing to say someone has good character when they
have been convicted of that kind of crime, right, definitely. So,
just just in terms of the usage of the words yep,
good character mitigation, are you still a good character no
matter what you've done before if you commit that kind

(22:03):
of crime, Yeah, I would say, I don't know, maybe
you fooled people.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, if there's premeditation involved, as there was in the
particular case that the story originates from. But just in general,
if it's a crime that there is malice and premeditation
to committing that crime, to me, you've lost any as
semblance of good character. You were the opposite of a
good character. Whether that applies to crimes where there may
be some you know, you didn't intend to do the

(22:28):
damage that you did. I mean that that is a
bit of a gray area. But what do you say, oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty set number.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
A couple of years ago, says this text. A family
member got a criminal traffic offense. I know, not smart,
but he was a good guy, just made a stupid mistake.
It had to go through court, etc. Around the same time,
a prominent blues slash all blacks plaid did the exact
same offense, and it was in the news, et cetera.
But the charge very quickly disappeared on a technicolity technicality.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
Not fear.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
I mean, cases are very very complicated in what we
see in the media. Isn't necessarily all the information? Yes, so,
and you know I said a murder as a murder
as a murder, surely, but in my questioning, but clearly
it's not right. Clearly a murder isn't a murder.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
There's always context, and every.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Crime is quite different. So pre predator premeditated murder is
different from a crime of passion. Yep, you know that's
the way we look at it.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Right under the eyes of the law. Absolutely context matters,
and in that circumstance, I think that's you know, for
most judges they would look at that, and most criminal
lawyers indeed would look at that and say those are
two drastically different circumstances, even though the crime is effectively
the same.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
You are no longer a good character if you have
committed a crimes. Is this text?

Speaker 6 (23:47):
Yeah, but that is true as well, because it sounds like,
I mean, it's very hard to be a good kick
to get good character mitigation.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Twice Yes, yeah, yeah, true.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
So you are what you're saying. I know what you're saying, text,
but that is actually how it plays out. Yeah, it's
actually exactly how it plays out. Once you have committed
a crime, you are no longer a good character exactly.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
But but I know what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
You're saying as soon as you're you've convicted, that good
character disappears before the senate thing yet, Yeah, complicated.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Keep those teachs coming through A nine two ninety two.
And we want to hear from you on I eatee
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've had to write
a good character reference for somebody, what were the circumstances
involved in that? It happens a lot in our court system.
If that was a family member or friend, we want
to hear from you. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
I was asked to do it once right from a
person on you. I said no, fair enough to because
I thought you were just the kind of scumbag that
would have done that.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
Actually, mate, I'll write the opposite of a good character reference.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
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Speaker 4 (25:58):
You very much, Rayleen. So there is a call from
a victim of a serious crime to abolish good character
discounts at sentencing. He argues that it's fear in terms
of our justice system to provide the good character references
to people who have been found guilty of a crime
by the very nature they are no longer a good character.
What do you say, O one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
Yeah, And whilst you don't bring up the we're a
bunch of people have been texting through that. You know
what happens often when you're being tried in a case,
they don't bring up your previous convictions because they want
the case to be focused purely on the evidence of
that particular crime, right yep, Because otherwise you.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Know, it's cheap.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
People can be biased, they can assume this, and so
you have to focus on that. But previous convictions do
come into sentencing. Absolutely, that's the judge will know that. Yep,
when deciding whether to allow a good character mitigation spot on.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Yeah, so it's not to influence the jury during that
specific case.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Matt, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (26:59):
Hello.

Speaker 15 (27:00):
Yeah, I'd just like to talk.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
About an incident I was involved in. I was a
duror on a case end of last year in which
a former partner threatened to kill their ex partner in
front of a quart appointed lawyer not once but.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Twice and started that again. Sorry, I slightly must that
what happened met Sorry.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
I was a juror had a case last year between
a former partner who had threatened to killer's ex wife
in front of a court appointed lawyer, not once but twice,
and even went into detail about how he could get
away with it. We did find him guilty on that

(27:52):
charge and several other charges, but during the defense case,
the several character references were brought in to say how
he was a good man and ed worked hard and
there was a pillar of the community in that and
I was shocked been the we found out what the

(28:15):
judge had sentenced this person too, which was six months
deferred sentence. And this guy had you know, he meant
that he when he said he wanted to actually tell
his partner.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Yeah, So what crime had he actually committed, Matt.

Speaker 7 (28:37):
He had threatened. I say, he had actually made the
threat to tell his partner in front of a court
appointed lawyer.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
So charged one of the charge was threatening to kill? Yes, yeah.
And what other charges were there?

Speaker 7 (28:54):
There are several others. I don't want to bring those
into but I say, this is.

Speaker 9 (29:02):
The court.

Speaker 7 (29:02):
It's the legal system is very soft on the perpetrators.

Speaker 16 (29:07):
And you know, it's if they forget about the victim
and the damage that has done to the victim.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
It's so the good character references, Matt, you think they
played a big part in the reduction of that sentence.

Speaker 7 (29:29):
I do believe it played a part, because this was
a a successful business, local businessman here in Canary and Yeah.
But what stocked me was the fact that he was
getting these good references after being told, after these people

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were sitting in the courtroom listening to what he had
done in the crimes he had been charged with, and
the fact that he had actually been found guilty of them.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
Did it change how you you you as members of
the jury, you found him guilty, so the good character
references didn't didn't alter your thinking in the situation, Matt,
Would that be right to say?

Speaker 7 (30:16):
No, they did not. Yeah, we based it on the
facts of what was presented, and we knew at the
time that there was actually in remand for other criminal
convictions as well, so but we were never actually told
what those convictions were. So we just based our decision on.

Speaker 9 (30:39):
What was brought before the court.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
And like I say, he's got six months to third sentence.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
So it's pretty clear cut for you, Matt, that you
know this argument about doing away with good character references,
you'd be on you'd be in favor of that, Yes, I.

Speaker 7 (30:55):
Would, because I think it's it does influence the judges.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Thank you much.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Yeah, thank you, Matt. We just lost you there at
the end. But it certainly does seem to influence some
judges when they're making their sentencing decisions and whether to
apply that discount. I mean, the other aspect of it.
If you provide a good character reference to someone, I
firmly believe that should be made public, that if you
put it on the line, that you know, somebody is
going through the court system and you're aware of the
crime they're being committed, and then they're found guilty and

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they need it to be sentenced, and you step up
and say, you know, I've known known this guy for
whatever thirty years, and he's traditionally been or she's been
a good person. I'm going to write a letter with
the proviso that that letter will be public and people
will know that you've written it.

Speaker 9 (31:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
So, I mean there's two things.

Speaker 11 (31:44):
Right.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
So during the trial, right, you can bring in character
references to try and bolster.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
The defense case, right, Yes, But then.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
When it comes to sentencing, that's when good character references come.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
They'd be after the trial or what the judge is
looking at, right, yes, Yeah, so when you know, if.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
The defense lawyer wants to try and mitigate the sentence,
which I guess they generally speaking do, then that's when
they bring in those references.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Yeah, correct, outside of the trial.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, But what do you say, oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty, do you agree with Matt that these discounts,
good character discounts should be abolished. Is that fear for
the justice system or do you think they still have
a place. So eight one hundred eighty ten eighty's number.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
The sixt says good character references should be bolished in
cases involving sexual abuse and child predators. I mean it's
pretty hard to claim that you're of any good character
once you've been convicted of a crime like that.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Definitely, it is fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Backery shortly have a chat with the lads on eight
hundred eighty ten eighty Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
us talk, sa'd.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Be it is twelve to two.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
This text has no references only come after trial during
senacing year. But you will have people that come in
to try and bolster the believability of a.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Defendant good character witnesses, Yeah, yes, during the trial.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
But that's different from the references that come in sentencing. Correct,
So there's two different things. Yeah, so defense lawyer might
bring in a family member or whoever. Yeah, that makes
you more likely to believe the defendant.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Right, correct. Yeah, they call them as a witness, and
they often say I've known this person for forty years
out of character. But that's different, it's a different part. Yeah,
thank you very much for your teachs. kDa David, Hey,
how are you guys?

Speaker 11 (33:28):
You're good?

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, good mate? What do you reckon?

Speaker 17 (33:32):
I'm an ex.

Speaker 11 (33:32):
Police officer and I came on the talk shows brought
up a talk show about twenty years ago when I
left the police, lifelong dream to do it. After two years,
I'm out because of despondency around the judges and be
a week sentencing. You sentenced the crime, not the person.
We all make decisions. We're all of good character. When

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something goes wrong, yea, but thext the reality is we've
done something wrong. We've driven through a red light, a
green sorry a namber light and hit a car or
drunk drope, WI spared whatever it is. You sentenced the crime,
not the person. We're all good character. The judges have
got too much leeway and too much influence.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
So would you would do you think each it should
be a mandatory sentence for each crime. So it's just
that if you do this, you get this, If you
do this, you.

Speaker 11 (34:22):
Get this hunt because that's what as a police officer,
that's what you're promoting. I guess to the victim, Hey,
this is what they're liable for. It's indictable charge, et cetera.
We tell all this, then all of a sudden, you know,
you get six months for a GBH for a case
Ilis and where a young girl sitting down New Year's
Eve get kicked in the head, massive seizures and the

(34:46):
young guy who did it, it's six months own attention
and it was the third male assault female charge that
he had done in the space about three months.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Well, that's horrendous. And you know what you're saying would
make things simple. And I'm not trying to trip you
up here, David, But an example, say someone's driving and
they check their phone and they hit a pedestrian and
kill them. Then there's another example someone had is a
medical event and hits and kills someone. So a similar crime,
but vastly different.

Speaker 11 (35:14):
You know, quantity one hundred percent that you someone's checked
their phone, they have aired a medical event you can't
plan for. That is situational. That's that was totally different.
You can't even compare the two, you know, it's I've
been in cases where I've had someone told me that
they would sneak. They sneezed, so they bed on the
side of the road and had a car. You know,

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they had a hat, they had hay fever, and that's
that's a crop. You know they were actually on the phone,
but that's what they went through in that.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Case you were talking about before with the assault. When
that came was good character brought in there, because you'd
think if they'd been convicted of a previous one, then
the judge be aware of that and the whole good
character thing wouldn't wouldn't apply one hundred percent.

Speaker 11 (35:55):
The charges were still pending and his uncle was a
police officer and gave him a character reference and it
was and that was taken through. So hey, look and
that's so hint. That's part of the reason why I
left within a two year period. I just absolutely you
get to spawning on what is supposed to be an
honorable job. But I am going to go so far

(36:16):
as saying you have just honorable judges until they have
been offended against David.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Thank you very much for your perspective. Ex police and
David had got grown frustrated with the justice system. But
is he right that you you sentence on the crime,
not on the person. I wate one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
The text was talking about Marie that we had on before.
What was her name against sorry Marie Diiberg. Yeah, I
used Marie once and she's very good, but very very expensive.
So basically, if you can afford her and get a
quarter pointed one who doesn't really care.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Then your goose is cooked.

Speaker 9 (36:49):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Yeah, I mean that that is a situation, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
That is part of our justice system. Yeah, yeah, money talks, right.
It is eight minutes to two. I one hundred eighty
ten eighty's number to call.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons, News Talks.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
The News Talks be it is five minutes to two.
Some great texts coming through on nine two nine two.
This one's interesting. What about a guy who goes to
beat up another guy who assaulted his daughter and then
ends up killing him. I'd give him a good character reference.
And again, context matters to some of these cases.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
Well, that's leeway that judges would bring in, right, they
would as opposed to a premeditated crime. Yeah, you know, well,
I mean that could be premeditated, but you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Like a there's a mitigating factor there that is different
from someone that plans to off, say, for example, their
wife versus your daughter's been assaulted and then you go
and attack the person who assaulted your daughter. That's very different.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
This six says what a load of rubbish from that
defense lawyer and her love of giving judges leeway. They
only get pointed. Oh, they only get appointed now if
they tick boxes and follow the far left doctrine that
has infected the entire legal system. So they're leeway will
always go one way. They are not elected, but they
have a huge amount of power. I was horrified by

(38:13):
the disdain that defense law has showed for elected lawmakers.
God forbid, we the people have a say.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Interesting, keep those techs coming through on nine to nine
to two, and we're going to carry this on after
two o'clock. So I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call? Good character references? Are they fear
in our justice system? And if you've been involved with
the good character references, whether you were the victim or
you wrote one for somebody who was being sentenced, keen
on your story. I wit one hundred eighty ten eighty

(38:40):
is that number to call?

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Do you want to have some more horseful lunch. Tyler, Yeah,
this fill some left.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Let's have another box. Yeah, that's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
News is next, the big stories, the big issues, the
big trends, and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler
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Speaker 3 (39:06):
Talk said the.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Afternoon to you, six pass two. Welcome back into the show.
And we have been discussing good character references when it
comes to sentencing within our justice system. So good character
references are usually letters of support. So these historically have
resulted in discounts at the time of sentencing after someone
has been found guilty, and sometimes those discounts in terms

(39:30):
of how long they may or may not serve in
prison are up to twenty percent. So there's an argument
from a victim of a serious crime saying that the
good character discount should be abolished altogether. What are your
views on that? O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is a number to call. Nineteen nine to two is
the text number.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
If people can get discounts for rough childhoods, why shouldn't
people get discounts for good past behavior and characters. It's
such a complicated thing, the legal system and crime and punishment,
isn't it?

Speaker 4 (39:58):
It is, Yeah, what leads you.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
To the crime and how how you know your past
plays into that definitely. So just because every cause, every
outcome has.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
The cause, right, it does.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
So you can go back forever to decide why someone
did something. Yeah, and the justice system would fall over
completely if you if it didn't wasn't considered a part
of those causes going forward. Yeah, right, And so that's
part of the reason why they have the mitigation because
they go, well, look, it's not it's that rehabilitation is

(40:30):
and punishment is more likely to work on this person
than it might on someone else. There's all those kind
of things. Thinking about the safety of society.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
There's a lot going on there is. Yeah, absolutely, so
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call a nine. Two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 6 (40:44):
The text it says, who point appoints these judges have
this say on who is and isn't a good character.
They are not elected. They are legal bubble insider elites.
They manifest in their decisions whatever is the fashionable political
view of the day.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Who picks them.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
While judges in New Zealand are appointed by the Governor
General on the advice of the Attorney General, I believe.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
So they are packed from experienced lawyers and it's a
merit based selection, so there's no there's no voting or election.
It's not democratically, it's a it's a merit based decision ability, integrity,
that kind of thing. So you know, you would hope
that the Governor General and the Attorney General know what
they're doing. But then again, that does become political, doesn't it.

(41:25):
It's because they picked the kinds of judges that they
think have integrity in line with their particular beleiase of
the day. I will say that I was on in
a jury this year.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
I'm last year. Sorry, I believe it was last year. Yeah,
it was last year. Wow, time flows. And I was
incredibly impressed by the judge on that situation. So whoever
selected him knew what they were doing.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Good work.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
He was an incredibly smart, even handed and the way
he ran that trial I just found incredibly impressive.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
That is great to hear. Jay, how are you decided?

Speaker 18 (42:03):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (42:05):
How are you not too bad? Keen on your story?

Speaker 18 (42:09):
Yeah, So in like bullet points, my partner, female partner,
and I were assaulted and it was one of the
King hit cases where they caught now coward punching back
of the head. There was no warning by very large,
aggressive man taken. It took two years to get in

(42:33):
front of the courts. During that time he wanted to
cut a deal with the police, and then it went
to court a jury trial, and we thought it was
pretty clean cut because she had We were the one
with all the injuries and he had nothing. And in
the interim while waiting, we got to see his previous

(42:56):
charges and he's got four pages of charges crimes where
his assault, multiple assaults, weapons charges, drug dealing, so the
prison for drug dealing, and nine counts of fraud. And
he lied through his teeth and he had a lawyer.
It's another bit of a problem is when you're a
victim of a crime, you're not allowed to have a lawyer,

(43:18):
but you've got to sit in a courtroom with the
thug to attack you and his lawyer who's now been
absolutely horrible to you. And yeah, the jury found it
out apparently, and apparently the judge had to talk to
the jury just before they got to make their decision.
It was a fight afternoon and they were making your decisions.

(43:41):
So I'm sure they wanted to go home, and he
got off all four charges and they were really serious,
like very serious charges, we thought, and we're just like flabergast.
We don't know how it got to absolutely no belief
that he did anything at all.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
I scority to hear that, Jay, and there must have
been horrible to sit through, and you know, I'm so sorry.
But can you to see why when they're judging a
particular you know, when they're putting a particular case in
front of a jury, they keep the previous record out
of it because they want to just look at the
facts of that particular case, because there's a possibility someone's

(44:23):
a piece of crap in the past, but in that
particular case, they didn't do it, and as a result,
someone else gets wayed. Can you kind of see that
logic at all?

Speaker 18 (44:33):
You know, I can't see that logic because the leaper
doesn't change his spots. So unless someone's meet Jesus, I
don't think they're gonna change. They're just better at lying
and covering up what they do. And to this guy,
he definitely did these things and so really it all
does need to come into the mix. And we were

(44:55):
told you know, you can't talk about any of that
stuff because you have to get a whole new jury
and wait for another trial. But they bring up old
stuff that made him sound better than it is, so
it doesn't seem fear it. And no, I don't think
I think that it should. It should all be transparent,
as they should say, well, this person's done these things,

(45:18):
and this person looking at as a victim has just
been he overtook someone on yellow Livestree was twenty okay,
so a big, big difference in behavior and.

Speaker 15 (45:33):
Character.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Here your frustration, Jane, you know, being a victim and
what your girlfriend went through horrendous, horrendous, and I can't
comprehend how you're feeling and how you're feeling now. But
on the prejudicing a trial, as much as it's frustrating,
and as a journalist, I was in many court cases
where we knew that the person on trial had been

(45:55):
convicted of a crime previously, we couldn't say anything, We
couldn't publish that information until they were found guilty. Incredibly frustrating.
But you know, for for the white wider justice system,
I can see you've got to treat a you know,
a crime on the merits of that crime alone. But
I take it you don't agree with that.

Speaker 18 (46:16):
Yeah, I think, well, something that one of the court
advisors rung up and said that evening. She said to me, oh, look,
the problem that we have is nothing. No one gets
done for anything. Now this is commons and it's because,
in her opinion, it was because too many cases have
been people have been wrongly convicted, and so now we've

(46:39):
gone the complete other end of the scale.

Speaker 19 (46:42):
So I.

Speaker 18 (46:44):
It's a system that doesn't deserve our tax paying money
or our faith. You know, we're we've got faith in
the system that it's supposed to keep communities safe. There's
no safety in the community. There's no there's nothing that starts.
No one gets charge for anything. And if they do, yeah,
like me, that police officers said, wrung up. The next
police officers said, before you know, you might get a

(47:06):
sleep on the risk for six months and they get
home to tension and probably Wi Fi and like you know,
and that leads to something that I meant to bring
in about a while ago. Wasn't that m Skimming's case,
to see the one who's been done for child falling
on his computer? Yeah, and as he got home d
he'll have internet access. It's ridiculous punishment, but it's just

(47:29):
it's just the state of the nation. It's terrible. It
needs to shake out.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think for you cool Jay.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
I mean, I don't know the exact details of that
particular the case you're bringing up there, but it is
it is rough if you're going through the system and
you are a victim, because we are understandably very keen
in the justice system not to convict innocent people. Yeah,
so it's weighted heavily in front of in favor of

(47:55):
the acutes and you know, beyond reasonable doubt and stuff.
And it's interesting because you know, since the Arthur and
Ellen Thomas case, I mean, there's a podcast out at
the moment you can listen to that I made. It's
on the Agenda Sports podcast on Peter Plumbery Walker case
looks great and you know, reading up about that case,

(48:18):
the how much the Arthur Allen Thomas case changed things
in New Zealand. Yes, because ever since then, it's always
been like that's that you can bring that up. There's
all these examples of times when people that later proved
to be innocence or there's been you know, evidence planted,

(48:38):
all these kind of things have popped up, right yep,
And so you can bring that up and that you
can absolutely be totally sure that someone's guilty at a time,
and then later on it finds out their innocence. And
you can have a situation where you imagine there's been
a murder, right and the police grab a person in
the area that is a dodgy individual and they're not

(48:58):
a good person, right, yep, They're a terrible person, and
then the investigation focuses on that person and then they
get brought brooked to core and then if you bring
up the previous their previous convictions, then they're just going
to be done right.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Yeah, the jury will look at that and say, well, yeah,
surely this is a bad person.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
But that's not taking into account that maybe the police
have focused on this person because of their record in advance,
and maybe it wasn't to do with them at all.
You don't know what's going on. So it's I think
it's very important, as hard as it is for victims,
that you treat each individual, you know, a charge on
its own in isolation to try and work out the

(49:40):
truth of that particular situation. But I mean and look,
the justice system is full of problems. But what other
system is there? Yeah, we could make it better, but
we can't throw out the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
Yeah, because truth is a very hard thing to get
to and as we know, the trial doesn't get to
the truth. You're innocent or guilty in the eyes of
the law. That's right, that's not the truth necessarily, Yeah,
nicely said.

Speaker 9 (50:04):
All right.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 14 (50:06):
Jay.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Thank you very much for giving us, mate, and hopefully
you and your girlfriend are doing a bit better now. Yeah,
seventeen past two, bagvery shortly.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
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Speaker 4 (50:24):
It's twenty past two, Richard. I'm sorry, Richard.

Speaker 11 (50:28):
How are you?

Speaker 8 (50:28):
Mate?

Speaker 7 (50:29):
Good?

Speaker 9 (50:30):
Mike good, Thank you, thanks for taking McCall will listen
to you guys all the time. Your good good value.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
Oh, thank you mate, Thanks mate.

Speaker 9 (50:36):
Hey, yeah, me and my partner one Sunday afternoon after
training into into a car park the shopping center, young
fellow fried office tits for the viewers that don't know
what that means that's on met and Fetterman challenged me

(50:56):
for an unprovoked challenge. I in my I don't know
naivety tried to calm the situation, but the more I
tried to talk on the more more aggressive he got.
So anyway, he pulled a knife out on me. I
tried to subdued him and he ended up putting twenty

(51:18):
five stitches in my thigh. Went to remand for two weeks,
went to trial. I went to the pre sentencing. The
judge indication was two and a half years jail. At

(51:41):
the end of it, he ended up getting three months
community service.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (51:50):
At that time, I was a prison officer and all
a shout out to my colleagues at the jail at
the time. Knew who he was, but didn't act on it,
if you know what I mean. And yeah, all this

(52:13):
discount bullshit is exactly That's exactly what it is. Me
and my partner didn't have the best upbringings, but when
my grandfather was a jake the muss. I never saw
any of that because I was too little and he changed.
But I could have played that card. I could have

(52:34):
played the poor me card. It's bullshit. It's all it's
all about the perp and not the victim. In this country,
it's just a system.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Hmm, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean I can, I can.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
As I said to previous God, I just can't imagine
sitting through that where you've you've been attacked, you've been stabbed.
I mean, how many stitches did you say you had
in your in your leg? I mean, the anger that
you would feel and then to see three months community service.
That does not I mean, I don't think there be
many people listening that would think that was right.

Speaker 9 (53:16):
It's totally not wrong. I wasn't I wasn't angry at
at the young color. I wasn't angry at him. I
was angry at at the system.

Speaker 15 (53:25):
M hm.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
So what what discounts were put in place for that
three months? Richard?

Speaker 9 (53:31):
His youth, he was only eighteen, just just recently patched
into the Mongol mob, his upbringing, and his color.

Speaker 7 (53:49):
M hm.

Speaker 9 (53:51):
That's a that's a fact. It happens. It's it's not
was she was he?

Speaker 10 (53:56):
News or or.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
Fiction or any of that. This this stuff is reality,
and it's happening every single day in our communit and
nothing happens to them. I don't give them. I don't
care what kind of upbringing they have. And if they

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want to give discounts, they want to give discounts to
these young people, maybe they should be Maybe if the
young people aren't getting just getting dealt with, maybe we
should go to the parents.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
How when you say young person, how old was this?

Speaker 9 (54:37):
He was eighteen?

Speaker 4 (54:39):
So that's the youth discount which I'm just reading now.
I mean, I will say, Richard and so sorry that
happened to you. But National did scrap the funding on
the cultural and background factors. That's not to say that
you still can't get those reports produced, there's just no
funding of it through the system. So does that not
appease is the wrong word there, But does that go

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some way for you that that National decided to get
scrap that particular funding for the background reports.

Speaker 9 (55:10):
Let's put it this way. I'm not I'm not traumatized
in any way whatsoever from from the incident. My partner
is more was more so traumatized by me. But no,
I don't have any faith in the government, no matter
what government it is. I have no faith whatsoever that

(55:32):
there is going to be.

Speaker 20 (55:33):
Any uh crackdown on sentencing and crime, especially violent crime.

Speaker 9 (55:43):
You know, we should be able to we should be
able to walk anywhere, go anywhere and be safe, you know,
and the government needs to wait with This country is
so soft men, It is so soft that if a
violent criminal comes into your home, you you knock him over,

(56:08):
You get in trouble.

Speaker 19 (56:11):
You get in it is.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
The justice system is so backwards. Like I said at
the beginning, I was a corrections office officer for ten years,
and I said in court, many many court cases, and
I just wasn't believing what I was hearing.

Speaker 10 (56:28):
I could not.

Speaker 9 (56:29):
Believe what the prosecutor the defense was saying. And it
was painfully obvious that these guys were guilty of sin.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Yeah, is the.

Speaker 9 (56:42):
Back ended going on all the time? You got to
ask yourself, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Richard, thank you very much for giving us a call
and look, sorry what happened to you. And as I said,
you're not so traumatized by your partner is more traumatized
than you. But three months that.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
Call we had where and this was about a year
ago Tyler and he had committed a crime and he
he felt like he deserved to be punished, and he
said that the punishment in a way. I think his
words was set him free to a certain extent because
he needed that he needed for his own mental well

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billing being to know that he'd paid some price for
what he did. If you stab someone in the leg
and you get three months community service, then from your perspective,
you may have felt like you get it, got away
with it.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
But from a deeper.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
Mental you know, in terms of how you see yourself,
I don't know. I don't know if that helps the
I don't know. It definitely doesn't have the victim, But
I don't know if it helps the defendant either.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
No, because if that is about rehabilitation and the ability
to turn your life around, stabbing someone and getting three months.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
Home D wasn't even home D. It was community service.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Yeah, is that rehabilitation? I mean no, not at all.

Speaker 18 (57:57):
No.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
So then that throws out the idea that if you
take into accountless person's character and background all in a
teen's to make you turn their life around us, if
they've got an ounce of decency in them, even even
a drop, they'll they'll a level of self hatred will
will come in.

Speaker 6 (58:12):
I did this terrible thing and I got away with it. Yeah,
you know, and I can see and look, this sounds
like amateur psychology coming through, because it absolutely is. But
I can imagine that that that that would manifest in
different ways, and probably not in positive ways.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighties number call it
is twenty eight past.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Two Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on yous talk ZIV past two.

Speaker 6 (58:41):
Yeah, another example of a caller that had committed a
crime and got a pretty lenient sentence.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
This was his words. He said he felt like he
had not honored the person he had wronged.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
It's a good way to put it, actually.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
So not punishing someone isn't always good for the for
the you know, the criminal.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Even that would be I mean, that's part of being
a good character if you take your punishment and say
I messed up and hurt someone, and I'm going to
take my punishment. Jack, You see it from both sides.

Speaker 17 (59:13):
Yeah, I'd stept from a victim and an fender side
as well, So it was staff as a victim. I
was assaulted by a guy about four years ago, physically
assaulted multiple times. It happened over a period of probably
two weeks where he had seen me in publican nash
fee each time policeman arrest him, bail him, and when

(59:37):
he finally got to court, they said, oh, I'll put
you on what was a community detention because he had
a kid at home, and because his partner wrote him
a great blowing reference saying he's an amazing guy. You know,
he is a great family man, a pillar of his street.
Blah blah blah, despite all these violent charges of cloom

(59:58):
firearm charges he's had in the past few years. You know,
so he got a real lenient sentence based on that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
Why was he targeting you, Jack? Why did he keep
resulting you on multiple days?

Speaker 17 (01:00:10):
Because his partner was my ex and he just didn't
like that. Obviously dated's partner in the past. It's a
little bit petty, but you know what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
And we we were you in the same area, so
you keep putting into him.

Speaker 17 (01:00:25):
I was, I was working a twenty minute vicinity of
where he lived.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:00:30):
That also continued on up until we started about a
year and a half ago. Again, same thing, saw my
gas station, gave me a punch, sped on me multiple times.

Speaker 14 (01:00:41):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:00:43):
Him, he had a bunch of other charges at a
time pending, and he got bail and was actually built
caught seven different times. I'm sorry. He failed to appear
each time in court and kept getting bailed by some miracle,
you know, just because he has a kid at home
and he you know, he's a money earner for his house.

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He kept getting bailed on.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
That doesn't seem to be like a great person to
be around the kid at home.

Speaker 17 (01:01:12):
Oh well, and truly enough of it as well.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
But you've you've got you've got balance on that. You
see it from both sides, Jack, I do.

Speaker 17 (01:01:21):
I was charged a couple of years back for forward, you
know it was. It took about three years so police
to finally charge me. When I went to cours, I said, hey,
you know I've done it. I will accept where the
punishment put forward. I'm not gonna, you know, waste the
court's time. Instantly pleaded guilty. The judge said, well, you've

(01:01:42):
played guilty. I haven't spent multiple time on court cases,
so we'll give you three months own detention.

Speaker 9 (01:01:49):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 17 (01:01:49):
And I thought, well, you know, I had to repay
back all the money. There was a considerable amount of
money from the government and I think, well, you know,
it was three months own detention, really worth it, And
you said, well, you accept the directions you except you're guilt.
You haven't wasted the court's time. You're going to be
repaid the money, so we'll just give you that sentence,

(01:02:11):
when the actual guidelines was six years for that type
of events.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
Six years major fraud there, Jack.

Speaker 9 (01:02:24):
It was. It was.

Speaker 17 (01:02:25):
It was a young and dumb mistake and at the
end of the day, I've done it, needed to know, obviously,
pay it back, needed the punishment to deat to others,
and fortunately for me, but also unfortunately for the guidelines,
I was given a real light sentence.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
But it's not like you can push back on that,
right Jack. I mean, some people might be listening and
say that was a slap on the back of the wrist.
But if you played guilty at the first opportunity, that's
an instant twenty five percent discount. Then if you had
a bit of remorse, that is part of the system.
I mean, can you sit there as an offender and say,
excuse me, Judge, I think I should go to jail
because you know I deserve my punishment.

Speaker 17 (01:03:04):
Yeah, honestly, judge said you're going to jail a lowe,
so be it well at hand, and but he said
under sent that's sweet. I'll take that. You know, I'll
pay that the money. I was also given a it
was like twelve thirteen months probation as well on top
of that, so you know I had to It's a

(01:03:25):
layer of the law the whole time. But you know,
at the end of the day, committed the crime, I
had served a jail sentence as PERVA guidelines.

Speaker 21 (01:03:33):
So be it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
Well, Jack, Thank you very much for your honesty. And
that is certainly both sides of the fence's victim and
someone who committed frauds and got sentence of three months
home d Very interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
Yeah, yeah, leading quite a life as our Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
He certainly is right. Headlines with Raylen coming up. It
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Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Thank you very much. Trailing. We've been talking about discounts
at sentencing for those convicted of the crime. If you've
been through the court system and you face someone getting
those discounts, or indeed you got those discounts, what's your story?
One hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
Wow, that woman that used to date Jack sure knows
how to pick your partners' both their previous and current
partners have a little bit problem with the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Law here and there common theme there, Mark, how are
you this afternoon? And gentlemen, how are you not too bad?
What's your story?

Speaker 10 (01:05:44):
That's the story. Twenty sixteen, my stepfather was charged with
the abuse of my sexual abuse of my daughter. O God,
so I know all too well well it's like to
go through the high court system based parole boards. It's
just a battle from day one. So he got chars

(01:06:08):
with or eleven in high court. And let me tell
you when those defense lawyers for some of these people,
I don't know how they manage tomorrowly sleep or hold
their head high in society, because you know, even though
he was guilty of sin and the jury saw right
through hi because it was a whole week long high court.

(01:06:30):
I would never wish that upon anybody, let alone your
own child that's got to go through there. So he
got seven years and then he was outligible for parole
for a year as first year, which then you've got
to fly the way up to Auckland and talk to
old cronies that have been given you know, sir this

(01:06:51):
and day and that. Who think they know better anyway,
So he got given seven years and he was out
in three. Now when the seriousness of this was it
was pretty appalling what he did. My daughter, you know,
she's twenty one. She's been in and out of her
mental hospitals and stuff like that. So and that's as

(01:07:13):
a result of him, So you know what I mean.
And she's the main victim. It's not all about me,
but it affects you as a father. And I could
understand that guy, the ex prison officer. You know, our
justice and legal system is screwed. You know, it's quite
disheartening to think that, you know, I whippy where you

(01:07:35):
know I've committed it. I'm going to play guilty straight away,
so I deserve a lean of sentence or sometime off
my sentence.

Speaker 15 (01:07:42):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:07:43):
Does does my daughter get a twenty five percent discount
in her very grief and mental stress? Now she doesn't.
And sad thing about it is that when these things
and I call them things pedophiles and stuff like that,
we're in an epidemic in New Zealand with this sort
of stuff. You read it in the paper every day.
They get more help inside psychology, medical, they get their

(01:08:06):
houses wiped for them in prison while people liken't. My
daughter struggle to try and get any help psychiatry wise,
because there's not enough people in New Zealand in the
certain areas to do it. You know, it was a
daily battle. And you know she's done really well. She's
got back on her feet. She doesn't live her life

(01:08:28):
learning it over her head. But as a father, Jesus,
you want revenge every day on someone like that. But
what annoys me and breaks my heart is when you've
got parties and government like the about a party saying
they're in abolished prisons. What are they all going to
take up and let the pedophiles and all these deranged people.

Speaker 18 (01:08:48):
Live with them.

Speaker 10 (01:08:49):
And then and in the two thousands before you know
you're the Green Party. You know, the bolished two Bills
stood against up with labor as well in regards to
notification in certain areas of society if some convicted sex
offender was to move in and when they were going

(01:09:10):
to go overseas. So you know, when you sit back
and you watch someone get out early when he should
have served his full term. And then when you see
government sections of government and parties in society. You already
see a broken system, and here they are wanting to
make the criminals a victim. I mean, at what point

(01:09:31):
has society gone wrong where we've allowed this to happen,
you know? And then it's sick to me when they
played the victim cards. He didn't have a loving father,
his mum didn't hug him enough. So that's why he
went out and raped and murdered sex woman. You know, hey,
but he's pled guilty to it. Oh that's good son.

(01:09:51):
Well then you know what will give you a two
year discount on your eight year sentence. When they give
someone life over here, it's not life. That's blatantly lying
to the public. He's been given life, it's not he's
out in ten years or eighteen years. Life is life.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
I don't know how to say, I'm I'm so sorry
what happened to your daughter. When it came to the
I mean, it's it's there's no words, mate, So you
know all the best when it came to when it
came to the the the sentencing were there were there,
you know, was the sentence Mitigation boarden for the so

(01:10:30):
they got the seven years when he was found guilty.
Was that was there any mitigation on that seven years?
I mean he got out in three and a half,
which is it was.

Speaker 10 (01:10:39):
It was basically you know, he was on the Dunedin
High Court and then when he went straight there. But
the judge it was was just god smacked how much
he lied to the jury and lied in court and
and had his wife lie for him, and and he
got found out. And the judge was appalled, and he

(01:11:01):
said that you know you should have I should give
you longer. But how they give these people time is
that the judges go back and they look at other
cases and go, you will do this and do that,
and you know, you know this one got eight years
and that one got nine years, so we'll give them
in between, you know. And the thing that really really
that ground my bones was is that. And I'm not

(01:11:24):
taking any anything away from those people, that massacre that
we had in christ Church, all those you know, poor
people that were killed and stuff like that. I really
wanted to tell my victim impacts Satan to him. I've
really wanted to tell him how I wanted to say,
and I wasn't allowed to. I wasn't allowed to it.
I had to be wasn't allowed to say this, wasn't

(01:11:46):
allowed to say that. And then I watched the victims
of the monshooting. They just let it all out, and
I'm thinking, hang on, what's what's going on?

Speaker 15 (01:11:57):
Here?

Speaker 10 (01:11:57):
Is a good for some people to say what they're
allowed to say? That our system's broken?

Speaker 16 (01:12:02):
Mate?

Speaker 10 (01:12:02):
It really is. You know, when when you've got people
struggling every day in life, and you've got scum, you know,
sucking living off the back of taxpayers, and you said
all the time, you know that cop, the highest, second
highest man in the police, second highest man in the police,
he got home detention.

Speaker 11 (01:12:23):
If it was anybody else.

Speaker 10 (01:12:27):
On the outside that didn't wear a uniform, they would
have been in jail. So when you see things like
that and defense lawyer, and I'll tell you what the
most gratitude that I turned around I had at the
end of the cases, I said to his defense lawyer.

Speaker 9 (01:12:42):
She walked past me and stopped and look to me.

Speaker 10 (01:12:43):
And I turned around and said to her, I said,
at what point of this case do you actually find
it in yourself that you know that he's guilty, but
you carry on trying to destroy the victims. And I said,
how have you lived with yourself and I just left
and walked away.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
Mark, So sorry, and what happened to yourself and your daughter?
I mean, I can't comprehend the anger that you'd feel
after something like that of the discust. So so sorry
you had to go through that, mates, But thank you
very much for your perspective. It is twelve minutes to
three back for you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Surely a fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty US talks there.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
Be it is ten two three, So you know, it
is totally understandable that victims or parents of victims feel
anger at lawyers for the defense. I totally get it's
hard to get your head around at the best times,
but when you or someone you love has been hurt,
it must be near impossible. But the reason why defense
lawyers exist and why they push so hard is because

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even the worst offenders we have to have a proper
defense for them, because if the system can't prove its
case fairly, it can get it wrong and that puts
everyone at risk. So defense lawyers believe that the the
justice system is only as robust as you push back

(01:14:07):
against secution, and things have gotten wrong been gotten wrong before,
so they believe that they are an important part and
a very important part of the justice system to push
back as hard as they can against the prosecution. But
you know, you can also see why victims and people

(01:14:28):
who who people that they love have been victims. You know, yeah,
find that ard to deal with if you've lived through
and gone through something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
But I remember Greg King was a very famous defense lawyer,
and he said, and it always stuck with me that
I'd rather see a guilty man go free than an
innocent man go to jail. That's why he did the
things that he did. And that is the justice system, right,
is that many people would look at what defense lawyers
do and if you go through that and your family's
affected by that, you say, how could you? You are disgusting.

(01:14:59):
But on the flip side of it, if there is
a remote chance that that person has not done that crime,
then that is a frustrating part of our justice system.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
Some of the biggest drinkers in the world are defense lawyers.
Criminal defense lawyers.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
It's hard, hard job.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
They've got a lot of demons circling around them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
They certainly do. Yeah, right, beg very shortly. It is
eight minutes to three.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
EDB News Talks EDB. It is five to two three.
Some good texts coming through on nine two ninety two.
This one, he's got a guys. Hearing Mark speak clearly,
impassionately about his and his daughter's suffering throughout our justice system.
I felt his anger and rage build inside me for
what it's worth. Thanks Mark for speaking up. That's from
Nathan and Dunner's.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
This text has a very balanced response.

Speaker 6 (01:15:49):
I don't know what I think about this. Is this
text A good character obviously can matter. It can show
this was a one off and that someone's less likely
to do it again and maybe able to be rebilitized,
real abilitized. I don't know if that's a word, but
you know what I mean. But from a victim's point
of view, the focus obviously should stay firmly on the

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harm done, not how respectab the offender locked before it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Yeah, but that is a balanced take on it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
I wonder if that's someone from the legal profession.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Kind of feels that way. Well, they rehabilitized, Yeah, rehabilitated.
Maybe not quite.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
The fact they said rehabilitize suggests that maybe they are.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Yeah, balance view though, So thank you very much for
that text, and thank you to everyone who called and
text on that. Really good conversation at the last two hours.
Incredibly complex, but clearly you know, when you hear from
people who have gone through the system, I think in
a lot of minds, there's a lot to answer for.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
It's not illegal, it's not a justice system people, it's
just a legal system.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Yeah, that has very nicely said.

Speaker 9 (01:16:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Coming up after three, about eight thousand rather Fonterra shareholding
dairy farmers have received their share of three point two
billion after the cooperative sold Manland Group to French dairy
giant Lactarless. So that's on average around four hundred thousand dollars.
Not every one of those farmers got four hundred thousand dollars.
But the question we've got for you is how are

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you going to spend your money? Oh, eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine
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Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
To you, welcome back into the program. It is six
past three. So about eight thousand Fonterra shareholding dairy farmers
have received or should have received their share of three
point two billion dollars after the cooperative sold Mainland Group
to French dairy giant Lactala. So on average, that's around

(01:18:08):
fourhundred thousand dollars per farmer. Not all farmers will get
four hundred thousand dollars, but it is a big payer
and thoroughly deserved for a lot of the hard working
farmers out there.

Speaker 6 (01:18:17):
It's kind of a good news story, isn't it that
it is? You know, I mean some people have their
problems around with the whole deal, and you know what
Fonterra are prioritizing, but these are share shareholders in the
company and that's the way they voted, so it's right.
You can't really question it. No, So I'm going to
say it's a good news story that three point two
billion dollars is going into the community, the community and

(01:18:41):
the economy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
What a cash boost for the economy right now when
we sorely need it. But the question we've got for you,
if you are a farmer out there listing and you've
got that money in your bank account, how are you
going to spend it?

Speaker 9 (01:18:51):
Yep?

Speaker 6 (01:18:52):
The six is spending my Fonterra money on paying down
debt as well as extra staff, housing and extending the
cowshed to a fifty year side.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
There's a good use. What's a fifty side? Does that
mean they make fifty cows a site, right? Yep, that
makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
Yeah, imagine. Yeah, So spinning withy Poteromon on paying down debt. Yeah,
I mean I imagine a lot of it's going to
paying down debt, right, Yes, yeah, I mean the rest
of us in the economy would like if farmers went
out and splurged it around town, yeah, and pumped things
up a little bit. But you know, I mentioned many

(01:19:29):
of them will be being responsible.

Speaker 9 (01:19:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
What do you say though? I wite hundred eighty ten
eighty someone to rung up and say they've bought themselves
a fencing tractor.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
Yeah, what kind of tractor are you going for? That?

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
Dream tractor?

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Love tractor chat? Yeah, well can I just say Toyota
Rhodor UA branch minister Manager Alistair Douglas. He said he
had noticed a bit of a lift and inquiries from
dairy farmer's pirate, primarily about their tools of trade such
as high larks utes. So that is a great thing.
If you're buying new utes, that's great for the economy
and also they are tools that you need on the farm.
So give us a call. I wait, hundred eighty ten

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eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
The SEXUS says. Do you ask that? Do you ask
everyone that gets a dividend what they are spending it on?
As a dairy farmer, we spent a lot of the
money building the side of the business, only getting a
low payout.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
So this is this is payback.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
On an investment and our business the money is paid
out on shareholding. So your speculation on the amounts we
got is not right? What what speculation?

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
Also?

Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
No one's business? Well, Han a minute, what are you
talking about? This is the strangest text we may have
ever got. Yeah, so if it is our business because
we live in a country in three point two billion
dollars has gone into the country from the sale of it, right, Yeah,
And do we ask everyone that gets a divd in
what they're spending on know, because mostly the dividends aren't
that big.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
It's a little bit agy or that that public. But
if you don't want to say, you don't have to say. Yeah, right, you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Don't need to be cagy about it. This is a
good news story. It's great.

Speaker 6 (01:20:53):
And also this part, you know, your speculation in the
amounts we get is not right. So hang on a minute,
what speculation? So the average is four hundred thousand, Yeah,
so some less, some more correct. That's how an average works.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
So it's eight eight thousands. Yeah, shareholding dairy farmers three
point two billion dollars. You divide eight thousand by three
point two billion, you get on average four hundred thousand dollars.
And as I said pretty clearly before, not every father
is going to get four hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
That must be the most defensive person in New Zealand.
That's Texter.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Yeah, we're happy for you, dear Texter. We are happy
that you get that money because you deserve it. Okay,
here you go. This dairy pharma says, we're building a
new house. Brilliant, fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Yeah, he needs to got use of the money. Yeah. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
So ken you hear your story. If you are a
dairy farmer, you're getting that some of that payout, which
is a great thing, a great thing for you and
great thing for the economy as well. How are you
spending that money?

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
Brian the cowcocky says, thank you Fonterra. I'm taking the
money and selling the farm. Time to retire.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
It's hard work. That's from Brian the cowcocky.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
Good on your Brian. Ninety two ninety two is that
text number? It is eleven past three. Be for surely
zibby thirteen past three. So we're talking about the payout
from Fronterra after the sale of the consumer division. So
on average, between eight thousand Fronterira shareholding dairy farmers, it's
three point two billion dollars that they'll split up. So
on average that's four hundred thousand per farmer. How you're

(01:22:24):
spending your money? If you've got it in the bank
account one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to call.

Speaker 5 (01:22:28):
This says, this is just more wealth envy. What are
you talking about?

Speaker 6 (01:22:31):
We're celebrating its defensive weirdos. This textas says, as a
trade I can confirm the trickle down theory does actually
work out here in provincial rural New Zealand. When farmers
have money, they spend it on trades and services. That's
why it's a good news story.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
Ross, Welcome to the showy.

Speaker 15 (01:22:48):
Mate, I'll be as.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
Good man. Is that a new treat to Ross?

Speaker 15 (01:22:57):
No, it's a pretty shitty old one, but I'd love
to buy. I'd love to buy a new one, but
I've got some priorities.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
Good Man. So you got it?

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
You got a payout on your shares?

Speaker 15 (01:23:07):
Ross, Yep, yep. We say every shelder has different numbers
of years. You don't have to hold one hundred percent
of your year, you know your milk production. But yeah,
luckily we've got one hundred percent of our milk production
on to eighty five wod cows. So yep, we're under
the four hundred thousand. But you know one hundred and
ninety or so and yeah, so it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Yeah, and so what are the priorities for your ros?

Speaker 15 (01:23:33):
Well, I was telling something about it the other day,
and I totally forgot that my daughter's getting married in
October and we've already gonna some money out of it
for that.

Speaker 22 (01:23:41):
Oh yeah, yep.

Speaker 15 (01:23:43):
So we've got a wedding to help contribute to. Bought
a bit of kit for the farm, just for efficiency's sake,
putting on liquid fertilizers. So fertilizer expensively garn up at
the moment, so putting it on in the liquid form
of saving some money. So yeah, for farm deficiency.

Speaker 22 (01:24:01):
What else are we doing?

Speaker 15 (01:24:02):
We going to Europe in November. That was planned kind
of before this, but we knew it was coming, going
with some friends for a couple of weeks. Nice and yeah.
And then of course you can't forget the bank. The
bank is kind of getting the bank well, I mean
a reason lugging about half spugging about half of it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:24):
Yeah, and so so this must be a bright spot
because you know, the last fifteen years, ten years haven't
been necessarily the most fun for dairy farmers in this country.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
So so how does a bright spot like this this feel?

Speaker 15 (01:24:39):
Ross Oh, it's you know, it's good. Probably the best
thing about it is the tax has already paid on it,
so you know, we're not able to we're not able
to fork out a bunch of tacks on top of
it because it's already been paid from the company. So
it's yeah, it's yeah, it's a it's a boost that
we really needed. Kind of since COVID things have been

(01:25:00):
pretty up and down. Last year we had a drought,
so we just spend a heck of a lot of
money just on feeding cows. And this year we've had
rain and it's been you know, good production season. So
it's it's nice to get you a couple of runs
on the board, but there's definitely farming has swings the roundabouts,
and you get a good year like this, and really

(01:25:22):
it just makes up for, you know, two bad years.
It takes you a few years to pay that, pay
that back. So yeah, that's kind of the reality of farming.
But I think it's I think it's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
How long have you been in the game.

Speaker 15 (01:25:36):
Ross came back home to help dad in two thousand
and I haven't left, so twenty years, twenty six years.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
And how do you rate it? As a life. Ross,
it's been I've.

Speaker 15 (01:25:51):
Felt like quitting a few times, and probably the worst
worst period of time was, yeah, the few droughts in
a row that we had, and yeah, but no, it's
it's it's pretty good. Eh. But you've gone on the
days of farming for cat a game. You've got to
you've got to make a business work for you. And

(01:26:13):
I think a lot of guys are starting to come
to terms with that, you know, being a lot of
death in the dairy industry. And I think it's things
like this are quite good because we can start getting
it there under control and moving forward.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
So you grew up on a farm, Ross, and then
what you went on your oe and then came back
and joined the family farmer?

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
Is that outwork?

Speaker 15 (01:26:36):
Yeah, it's pretty much. I Yeah, we grew up on
a farm. We've been and we've been in the sixth
generation in this area, so out at Raglan and my
brother's farming the original homestead and I'm next door to
him on a block that dad bought and he was
struggling a bit back in two thousands. So we came

(01:26:56):
home with four kids in toe ten years overseas doing
volunteer work and yeah, well, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
What a life.

Speaker 6 (01:27:05):
Yeah, and did you did you have a desire to
get away from from farming. You know, some people you
grew up in a farm and go, I want to
go and do something else.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
But then the couse of the land. You know, you
heard the or you heard the call of four kids
and wanting some space with them.

Speaker 15 (01:27:21):
Now growing up, mate, I hated I hated milk and towns,
the last thing I want to do. It's quite ironic
that I'm that I'm here. I don't know if it's
fatal or if someone's having a bit of a laugh downstairs,
but yeah, it's I think, I think for me. Once
I kind of landed on it and started taking the
business over. I enjoyed the business of farming, definitely over

(01:27:46):
over the the just the hard flog of it. But
I really enjoyed the business of farming. And and but
I do miss I'm quite a quite a uh you know,
energized from people, so that side of it has been
pretty pretty tough. So I've got involved in different outside activities,
you know, farming, politics and electronic.

Speaker 5 (01:28:06):
So good on you.

Speaker 6 (01:28:08):
And you said your sixth generation in the area and
you've got four kids. You got you got the are
the kids coming through? Are they going to take up
the family business?

Speaker 15 (01:28:18):
Well, my oldest daughter is married to a dairy farmer
just down the road and their their family has been
in the in the area for about five generations, so
she's farming. But the others are.

Speaker 14 (01:28:28):
No.

Speaker 15 (01:28:29):
The daughter's getting married to teacher, and the two boys
are well we're we live in Raglan, so us A're
still surfing, but they are at UNI at the moment.

Speaker 5 (01:28:38):
What about the new they may come back to make it?

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Is a new son in lawa is he?

Speaker 7 (01:28:43):
He?

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
He likes to roll at the sleeves and dig in.

Speaker 15 (01:28:47):
Oh you know, he's he's champion and he's got a
block of land just next to me, so it'd be
pretty easy to put a bridge in.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
You're actually selling some kind of actually feels like, I
don't know, a Amazon TV show sort of landman kind
of vibes ross farm.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Yeah, thank you very much, mate. And is this Texas?
Is that man a beer? So go and enjoy that, mate,
You'll you have to have a few beers hopefully when
you go on holiday.

Speaker 15 (01:29:14):
Yeah, yep, yeah right.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
And I hope you I hope your daughter's grateful for
you helping out with the wedding.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
Yeah, all the best, what a great man. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? Of course, if
you are a dairy farmer and you've got a bit
of a payout after the sale of that consumer brands
from Fronterra, what are you using your money for? And
is this the win you need after a hard couple
of years. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number? Twenty one PAS three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
Twenty three past three and we're the discussing the payout
to shareholding dairy farmers after the sale of the Mainland
Group to French dairy giant Lac Talis So on average
between the eight eight thousand Fonterra shareholders, that's around four
hundred thousand dollars per farmer. Not everybody's going to get
four hundred k. But the question will put you is
how are you going to spend it?

Speaker 5 (01:30:09):
But just not everyone that's getting the money as a farmer.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
Yep, exactly, But just on the back of what Ross
was saying, how are things starting to look for you
as a farmer. Are thing starting to look up? Obviously
this is a bit of a win for farmers, and
a much needed win and well deserved. But how are
things looking out there at the moment, Because, no doubt
about it. Over the past, as you mentioned, Matt, longer
than five years, ten years, it's been a lot of
challenges for farmers. So are things starting to turn around

(01:30:32):
for you? Because you are the engine of the economy? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, Hey.

Speaker 6 (01:30:36):
Matt and Tyler, Not every farmer has a lot of
Fonterra shares. I got two thousand dollars, so I'll probably
just fill the youat up and take the missus out
for dinner.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
Sounds like a good night.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
It's a good all debt for us.

Speaker 6 (01:30:48):
But I can tell you what the sleep is good
and not waking up worrying at the moment, says this text. Yeah,
I imagine farmers, you're kind of there's I mean, being
a farmer is worry here.

Speaker 5 (01:30:58):
I mean you've got an outdoor business. There's the variables.

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
Yeah, the variables in that business pH normally not just
you know what you're getting for your product and what's
coming in.

Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
What the weather's going to do. Is it going to
be drought? You know, flooding coming through the you know,
you wake up and fences have disappeared.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
It's quite it's quite as lots of stress.

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
It's a profession like no other profession. It's yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:24):
I mean you have to be hardy, not just a
robust worker, but hardy mentally. And also there's a certain
amount of isolation, you know, quite a big amount of isolation.
So there's that part of it as well. So you know,
I've got so much respect for farmers this Texas says,
debt some shirts boat a nice So that's a farmer, Yeah,

(01:31:46):
you know, that's that's a traditional farmer, not a person
of not many words. Yep, deat some shirts boat? Enough said,
how many shirts? If it's in the same sentence as
your debt and your boat, is that one hundred, one
hundred and fifty shirts?

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
You only need a couple of swanies some shirts. Ye,
keep those things coming through on nine two nine two.
But taking your calls on eight hundred eight ten eighty.
If you are a farmer, what are you going to
spend this payouts on? And how are things looking for you?
This season after a heck of a lot of challenges.
Nine two ninety two is the text number.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
Hey, calling dairy farmers defence's defensive weirdos is a bit
off by you, guys. Didn't happen I called a text
or a defensive weirdo, not farmers. Very positive about farmers.
We are larger dairy farming company who's shareholding Fonterra is significant.
We have paid up to six hundred and eighty per
year and had retentions withhold by Fonterra to establish value
added companies that is, over the last twenty two years

(01:32:40):
suglificantly more than this shareholding value at any time at
Fonterra's establishment. It's good to get a relatively small percentage
of what the company has invested in developing markets over
the time as a capital sale that we have paid
for many times over.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
In our couse case, the bank is after sixty five
percent of it, which is an agreed percentage and lowers
our debt to equity ratio and improves our our Look.
We'll good on you.

Speaker 6 (01:33:03):
Peter now a smart man, very smart man, but not
smart on saying that we called farmers widosh.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
It didn't happen.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
We call it a text a defensive weirdo because that
text was a defensive weirdo.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Got about cag Yeah, but good on you, Peter, You
sound like a very smart farmer. Oh eight, one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call This.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Texas is buying a couple of rental properties in a holiday.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
Good on you, Good on you? Ninety two ninety two
is that text? So keep them coming through. If you
are a farmer, how are you going to spend your
pay up from Fronterira? And what is it like as
a farmer at the moment? How's the season going? Are
you starting to get over some of those challenges that
we're put in front of you? Really? Can you hear
your stories?

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
This Texas says love the show boat. So that's like
that other person that said boat debt, some shirts, person
of little words. This one says two hundred k from Fronterira,
paying down debt and building an effluent storage bunker.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Good times. Yeah, treat yourself right. It is twenty seven
past three. We'll be back very shortly. You're listening to
mattin Tyler.

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Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Thank you very much, Rayland. It is twenty nine to four.
So we're talking about the Fonterra payout to eight thousand
farmers shareholders farmers around the country. So that's on average
about four hundred thousand dollars. If you are getting a
payout on the back of that sale of the consumer brands,
what are you going to spend your money on? One
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 6 (01:35:28):
The stixas says, I got a good payout and it's
all debt and a trip to Queenstown. But seriously, paying
down debt feels really good. Like your previous textas said,
paying down debt is like buying sleep. Hi, boys, I
think some of these defensive farmers don't know your show,
and I think and they think you are going to
hassle them about getting some well earned pay out, a

(01:35:49):
well earned payout. I have listened since day one, and
no one talks up farmers and dairy like you guys.
The love we get on your show is much appreciated.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
Well, thank you, dear Texter. Yeah, because that's exactly what
we're about. So O eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call get a jack here?

Speaker 8 (01:36:05):
Gay.

Speaker 21 (01:36:06):
It's nice so that you've got an interest in a
dairy cows and the dairy industry. It's put I please
to actually hear that.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
No, thanks Jack, and you were in the industry, I assume.

Speaker 21 (01:36:16):
Yep, yep, and got to share the payer and my
invested mine, but just kept a little bit back for
some fertilizer, right needs ferti't had any well, it hasn't
had a lot. It hasn't as much as what it
should have had in the last couple of years. So
I'm going to make up for what it's lost out on.
So that's where that's going to go.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
What's happening with what's happening with fertilizer prices at the moment, Jack.

Speaker 21 (01:36:42):
Well, I'm putting oslow on, which is a nitrogen and
the super phosphate, and that is all pretty dear. I
think I haven't ordered it that for quite some time
because I just put a lot of nitrogen on there
and use that because it's a cheaper option and then
you get a good result from it. So I'm quite
happy to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Yeah, And so considering you know the challenges farmers are
faced over the last week, while Jack, you're happy clearly
that you're getting this payout and it you know, is
it a bit of a reward for the hard work
that has been put in to keep farms going across
the country.

Speaker 21 (01:37:17):
Yeah, well, farmers work pretty hard. Yeah no pain, no pain,
no gain. So now they've had the pain, and now
they're getting a bit of a game. So I'm quite
sure that most fairy farmers will be quite happy with
the amount of money that they actually received, and they'll
be able to probably have some of the things that
they haven't had to be haven't had before because they

(01:37:38):
haven't been able to afford it, So they'll be able
to actually get something out of the hard work that
they're doing.

Speaker 15 (01:37:43):
Hopefully.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
How long have you been in the farming business, Jack.

Speaker 21 (01:37:48):
I bought my farm in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Oh yeah, nice. And how BIG's the farm?

Speaker 10 (01:37:55):
Sixty hectares right?

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
How many cattle?

Speaker 14 (01:37:59):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:37:59):
I just got beefies on now, all right, the cows
went in twenty two, twenty twenty two. Got rid of
the cows gone in my seventies now, And I was
just thinking the other day that when I was in
my twenties, we were in the seventies, that's the nineteen seventies,
and now I'm in my seventies were in the twenties.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
You sound very chippy, Jack, though There's there's a nice symmetry.

Speaker 21 (01:38:23):
To that, Jack, Yeah, well yeah, And not only that,
I mean the dairy cow has done a lot for
this country, and a lot of people don't appreciate what
the dairy cow, what the farmers have done, and a
lot of people that are in the agriculture business, and
I'm not just talking about dairy farmily, I'm talking across
the orchards, caught a culture and everything. They're creating a

(01:38:44):
lot of productivity for this country and they want something
back from the work that they put in the long
airs and the costs that they put in. So they've
got a lot of equity invested in those businesses. And
now the fact the people that are in the dairy
industry have got something back out of what they've actually
put in. But they've put a lot of money into

(01:39:05):
the industry over the years. I mean to on Terra
assembled in two thousand and it cost about three hundred
million dollars to consolidate all those unions into one. And
although all those companies into one union, and and you
know now, now the farmers actually got a little bit
back for all that expense that they had to put in.

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
Yeah, wells, you say, Jack, You know this country would
be a lot more screwed if it wasn't for the
farming industry and what you guys invest and pump back
into the economy. So how's the season looking this this year?

Speaker 21 (01:39:36):
Well, March was the worst, got really dry in March.
But apart from that, it's been really good. And I
think most farmers will probably increase the bit of production
on last season, and the payout's pretty good, so they'll
be happy. The only thing about it, well, I won't
worry them too much because I've got a good payout,
but they might have to pay a little bit more
tax on having a bit better season. But if they spend,

(01:39:57):
if they spend more money on the farms, and that
will let that will reduce their tax a bit. But
they could they could be up for a bit more
tax to pay.

Speaker 6 (01:40:06):
So you brought your farm thirty four years go, just
doing rough maths and with all the swings aroundabouts ups
and downs.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
As a farming life a good life, Jack.

Speaker 21 (01:40:15):
But as it's up and downs, there's good days and
there's bad days, yep. But like sometimes you'll go out
to a show and I'll take the family out, and
then you've got to rush home to milk the cows.
And it sort of shortens a day and spoils a day.
But so sometimes you don't go because of that. So
you're paying a personal sacrifice by not going because you're

(01:40:35):
going to be home to milk. But what I used
to say is that I'm pleased I've got the health
they actually go home and milk the cows, and be
grateful that we've got the help because a lot of
people that are a lot worse off, and a lot
of people stuck in the hospital. They are reclirement homes
and you know, they just haven't got the ability to
get around. So even though the day has spoiled a

(01:40:56):
bit or shortened, just be pleased that you've got your
help to go home and milk the cows.

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
Jack, you've got a great attitude.

Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
Absolutely, you've got a good life philosophy here, mate, So
good on you.

Speaker 21 (01:41:07):
Well, thanks for that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
Yeah, go well Jack, what a good man are Yeah
and seventy he's still sounding very chippy. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. You got the same philosophy as Jack.
If you're a farmer. He's been in the game thirty
one years. It's got as ups and downs as he says,
but still loves it and he's still fit enough to
do it. Thirty four years, mate, thirty four. Sorry, I'm
just I'm glad you're the mathlet.

Speaker 5 (01:41:27):
Nineteen ninety one. Yep, yep, thirty four good call. Yeah, well,
thirty four to thirty five.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
I did balls up the mass on the payout before
someone mentioned that bit of a mere copper, but thank
you very much. Keep those calls coming through. On eight
one hundred eighty ten eighty. In the Texas nineteen nine two,
it's twenty two to four.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
That'd be twenty two four. So the payout many farmers
are getting from the sale of the consumer brand of
Fonterra is in their bank accounts. If that is you,
how are you spending that money? Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and how are things going in the farming
industry right now? Nineteen nine two is a text this.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
Texas is I'm going to spend it all on woman
and booze the rest of it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
I plan to waste fair enough to it's your money,
my friends. Yeah, dairy farmer here, love your show gets
me through the afternoon. Noon, always a good chat. I
agree with that other Texter. Those farmers have having a
go at. You don't know the show. You guys are
always pumping.

Speaker 5 (01:42:27):
Up our tires. As for the payout, we got debt
mainly in various punishing things that need to be done
around the place.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
Yeah, keep those teas coming through, get a Scott good day.
Guys are very good mates. Ken on your thoughts.

Speaker 19 (01:42:43):
Yeah, I was just saying how it's not only the
farmers that benefit from this playout. I've got some shares
on the Fonterra Shareholders' fund unit, bought them a few
years ago. And the other day, while checking checking my
bank account, I saw this money that had been deposited

(01:43:05):
in wasn't quite sure where the I'm from. Wasn't I
expecting it? I mean it was no nowhere near obviously
what these farmers are getting. It was a hell of
a lot smaller, but it was a nice nicely surprised
and when I checked up it I saw it was
a payout for my Frontier arm Cheerholder Fund and so

(01:43:31):
that was that was good. So as I say, it's
it's spread out not only through the farming community, but
also through members of the public that chose to invest
in in the fund when they could get on your scotty.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
Are you a big investor around about not?

Speaker 13 (01:43:50):
Just uh?

Speaker 19 (01:43:53):
I have a few shares, you know, mainly et s.
I'm into like the you know, diversify. It's just the
catchphrase of everybody these days. So I've got a few
shares and in a number of ETFs, not so many
and individual companies. But certainly when the Fonterra one came

(01:44:16):
up a few years ago, I put some money into that.
Not a huge amount, you know, we're not talking big dollars,
but you know it was over one thousand dollars I got,
you know, in the bank, which I wasn't expecting, hadn't
been sort of some of these investments here. You you
do it and you know, lock it in and just

(01:44:38):
don't look at it again for a while, smart man.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
And nothing wrong with a thousand dollars extra in the
bank accounts.

Speaker 9 (01:44:44):
So do you know that exactly?

Speaker 19 (01:44:45):
Certainly when you're not expecting it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
Have you had any cash at crypto over the years.

Speaker 17 (01:44:50):
No, no, but I know I made of my that
has and.

Speaker 19 (01:44:56):
Yeah, we've had a lot of fun with him.

Speaker 5 (01:45:01):
Yeah, the Crypto fans are quiet at the moment.

Speaker 19 (01:45:03):
Yeah, well years ago when we were still all working,
so I'm retired now, But when we were all there,
whenever it went over a certain value, he used to
have to buy as mallowpuffs for a morning tea. So
we had a lot of matterpuffs for well, you know
when it went up to ten thousand and then twenty
thousand and thirty thousand and so yeah, No, he got

(01:45:27):
in right early in the early days. So even though
it's gone up and down the hugely, he's done very
very well.

Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
Good on having very well you, Scott, and thanks for calling.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
Yeah, well played. One hundred and eighty ten eighties number
to call nineteen nine two is the text number the boys.

Speaker 6 (01:45:44):
The selloff is a wonderful sugar hit for those farming now,
but will be extremely harmful for fut generations. Just look
at what's McCain situation. Yeah, but I mean, I guess
what Fonterra is saying is that they want to focus
more on their core competency, you know, as opposed to
their processing.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
Yeah situation, and.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
I think when you looked at it at the time,
that was a very good price that they managed to
get from Lac Talis for a division which wasn't rarely
bringing in the returns that it used to. So I
think for a lot of farmers hence why they voted
it over the line that they could see that that
was a good deal for them. This good text here. Okay, guys,
this has come at a critical time for us. We
are getting six figures. We invested heavily into our operation

(01:46:28):
over many years and haven't taken a day off in
seven years. We will use some of that money for
debt obviously, but then a much needed holiday to Europe.
Season is going okay, But to be honest, we're still
feeling like there is unfair hate from the townies. Thanks
for seeing us for what we really are driving this economy,
or at least a big part of it. It's hard work,

(01:46:48):
but great work. Keep up the good work yourself. That's
from Jeff.

Speaker 6 (01:46:52):
Keep those texts coming through on nine to two nine two.
The payout for us is just to catch up on
the last twenty years. Yes, We've had some big ones,
but also a lot of pathetic ones. It all balances
out be.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
Hell, have a job to do, old farming. I mean
when I read that text day off in seven years?
Is that I suppose that is a reality. I'm talking
like a towny here, and I admit that I haven't
really been involved in farming at all, but the ability
to not take a day off for seven years and
then you get a few townyes having a grumble saying, oh,
they're going to buy some mutes and go on holiday.

(01:47:24):
Why not? Why not when you don't take a single
day off because you're pumping it all into your business.

Speaker 18 (01:47:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:47:30):
I mean you know, if you're you know, a farmer
box a holiday and invariably something massive will happen that
will stop them going on the holiday.

Speaker 5 (01:47:41):
Yeah. Yeah, it happens all the time. Yeah, you're like, oh,
can we just take three three days off and you'll
go here and the end?

Speaker 15 (01:47:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Yeah, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are you
starting to feel the love from townies? It is fourteen
to four beg rutually.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between.

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons news talks, it'd.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
Be news talk, there'd be It is eleven minutes to four.
So farmers up and down the country have received their
portion of the payout after the sale of the consumer
brand from Fonterra three point two billion dollars. That splits
around about eight thousand different farmers. If you've got to
pay out, how you spending that money and what is
life like for you as a farmer right now? You've

(01:48:28):
certainly had some challenges. Oh, e one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is a number to call. Get a Wally.

Speaker 23 (01:48:32):
Yeah, I'm not a farmer, but my grandparents were, so
I bought sharers with Fonterra shareholders fun just to get
the payout. So you've started mining to there on the
fourteenth of.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
May last year, so you would have done it right
for yourself then, Wally, Yeah, Bud. The problem is.

Speaker 23 (01:48:56):
The actual share price drops when it pays it out,
So if you've got a two dollars payout, it usually
drops two dollars. The only way to make money out
of this to buy and be you know quite a
while before that, so if it was on six dollars
went up to eight dollars and it's come back down
to six. So they make any money you had to buy.

Speaker 22 (01:49:18):
Four and five dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
Yeah right. And so you mentioned your grandparents for farmers.
What why didn't they get passed through the generations? Did
they decide to decide to sell up?

Speaker 9 (01:49:28):
And that was it?

Speaker 8 (01:49:30):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:49:30):
They all died, right they I'm going back to the
eighteen in early nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
And yeah, yeah, no, fair enough. Well it sounds like
you're a smart man, Wally, and good on you for
buying into those Fonterra years. Rob, how are you mate?

Speaker 9 (01:49:45):
Nice to chat?

Speaker 22 (01:49:46):
Okay, so here you are?

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
Yeah, very good? Yeah, good mates? Good hey Rob, you
sound like a happy man.

Speaker 22 (01:49:53):
Yeah, pretty happy.

Speaker 15 (01:49:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:49:54):
We had a few lean years, you know, back in
two thousand and thirteen and fourteen, we only we only
you know, probably had ten thousand dollar profit. Was the
bloody five million dollars you know.

Speaker 5 (01:50:06):
Yeah, so yeah, that's a hard way make ten exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:50:10):
I had to keep I had to keep the common
door for years.

Speaker 15 (01:50:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
Yeah, so well deserved for you, mate. But you you're
going to give some of the funds to your boy,
is that right?

Speaker 15 (01:50:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:50:22):
Yeah, he's yeah, give him some funds for clear off
of you. And he did, and that goes straight to
the idea. I believe they he sends it in otherwise
they take it off of money every week.

Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
Yeah, or you sounds like a good dad, Rob. And
how's how's business going for you at the moment?

Speaker 8 (01:50:37):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:50:37):
Good, Yeah, that's been great. And I've actually yeah, i've
actually sold the farm.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
I have.

Speaker 22 (01:50:44):
I just have the shold of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
But I keep the right.

Speaker 22 (01:50:48):
What's was a good thing to do?

Speaker 9 (01:50:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:50:51):
Absolutely it was? And how long ago did you sell
the farm?

Speaker 22 (01:50:55):
Six years ago?

Speaker 9 (01:50:56):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
And why did you sell?

Speaker 22 (01:50:59):
I've done quite a few years. I've had a naughty
no person yea. And yeah, have been fantastic for us
be selling out.

Speaker 16 (01:51:09):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
Absolutely your boy didn't want to take on the farm.

Speaker 22 (01:51:14):
No, no, he saw how sure, how depressed them hard work.
My wife and I were in get behind, get out
of it, get.

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
Out fair enough to Rob. Well, good on you mate
for doing well. And look, no one can blame you.
It's bloody hard work being a farmer. So selling up
and enjoying your retirement, I hope.

Speaker 22 (01:51:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not quite shy and I'm still working.
But yeah, but now it's great chelly you boys, I'll
chat you being.

Speaker 6 (01:51:47):
I appreciate that Rob good Man, Drry Farmers deserve its
hiss dizine disease. His dean deserve it up at three
am through all sorts of weather, then lucky to go
to bed before ten pm.

Speaker 21 (01:51:58):
Not for me.

Speaker 5 (01:51:59):
Enjoy the money, guys, you've earned it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
Yeah, nice one, This one see is going to guys.
I don't have much of a problem with farmers making money,
or anybody making money for that matter, but don't let
it be a surprise when these guys use their money
to buy things that they actually need, like utes, pay
down debt, and a whole raft of other things that
they are gonna need after a hard couple of years.

(01:52:22):
Good on them, I say, they deserve every CeNSE they get.
They work very very hard. Keep those tips coming through
on nine to nine two. A couple more coming through here. Gooday, guys.
I'm a farmer, and yes, it's been a hell of
a couple of years. Ever since twenty nineteen, we have
invested pretty much everything that we had and taken on

(01:52:44):
a heck of a lot of debt. So this payout
has come at the best time possible. With so thankful
that we managed to get a little bit of money
that we did, so we are putting it into debt.
We're gonna buy a new ute because the ute we've
got at the moment is almost thirty years old. Still
goes okay, but it's time for an upgrade, and we're

(01:53:05):
gonna buy equipment. For anybody else listening, they need to
know that the farmer farming industry, not just dairy farmers,
but all of them, pump a lot into this economy
and without us would be in a heck of a
lot more trouble than we would otherwise.

Speaker 6 (01:53:19):
Fonterra payout says this text of what hasn't been talked
about is the fact that this payout doesn't really change
the farmer's equity position. Shares dropped in the valley by
the same amount as last he paid out. So yes,
they have cash, but they lost equity. If you had
one million made up of shares six dollars each, or
you now have one million million made up of shares

(01:53:40):
of four dollars each and two dollars cash.

Speaker 5 (01:53:42):
Yeah yeah, So what they're saying is it.

Speaker 6 (01:53:47):
Reflects the value of the shares reflected in the fact
that they now don't have the assets that they've sold.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and this one here, get a guys,
good on the dairy industry. Arable industry is suffering pretty
badly at the moment, hasn't been wonderful last few years,
and good arable cropping country is going to other land, juice.

Speaker 15 (01:54:08):
Said for us.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
But we'll keep pumping as much as we can. Thank
you very much for giving a booster farmers.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
That brings us to the end of the show.

Speaker 6 (01:54:17):
Thank you so much for all your calls and texts
of the last four hours of radio. The great Powerful
Heatherdop of Celand is up next and after five New
Zealand First leader Winston Peters joins hither to talk about
today's attacks from the National Party. But right now, Tyler,
my good friend, why am I playing this song from
the cruel scene?

Speaker 4 (01:54:37):
I have no idea. I don't know the name of
the song.

Speaker 5 (01:54:44):
The name of the song is better get a lawyer son.

Speaker 4 (01:54:47):
Well played, mate, well, blaye good. We had a fascinating
discussion for two hours about the discounts that sends them
scene fascinating.

Speaker 6 (01:54:55):
Yeah, this is a really great song, but it seems
to have finished oh, in a very odd position.

Speaker 5 (01:55:01):
We were playing. We were playing a very strange part
of it, and then it ended really early.

Speaker 4 (01:55:05):
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Speaker 6 (01:55:06):
We'll try and find another part of it, and we'll
give it a listen. We'll be back tomorrow live from
mid day until then.

Speaker 5 (01:55:12):
Give me a taste to KWI.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
May get a lawyers. You may get a real good one.

Speaker 4 (01:55:21):
Get your filth a suit and tie, and get your
hair cut way up.

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
Hide and get yourself a lawyers. You're gonna need a
real one.

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Speaker 5 (01:55:43):
I can walk all the way down the dirt track.
I fell down, I got up, I turned.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
Around, and I walked back.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
A walk to the s.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
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