Full Show Podcast: 23 April 2026

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 23rd of April 2026 - Winston Peters told Heather du Plessis-Allan that he will not go with Labour - our Afternoons duo asked if listeners believe he will be good to his word when election time comes.

Then, stealing cars - are chop shops still a thing?

And then after a drama over a misbehaving child in a pub and a patron who took matters into his own hands prompted a discussion over disciplining other people’s kids.

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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into the program. Great
to have you listening in as always. Hope you're having
a great Thursday afternoon. Heat or Matt Great.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
You know, one of the great, the ex most excellent
feelings in the world is when all the pieces of
a renovation you're doing come together. So this morning I
had some of the great people from Regency Plumbing in
my house knocking out walls in one room to build
a bathroom. They had other people coming in and smashing
up the kitchen. Yep, we're planning to smash up the kitchen.

(00:56):
Everyone coming together. A giant skip dropped in on the driveway.
It's a beautiful thing to witness, just you know, the
walls being ripped out, bits of wood flying out windows.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
It's a well oiled machine.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Yeah, and it's fun. It's fun having that many people
in your house smashing things.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
If they were smashing up part of the kitchen. Did
you have a swing in the city chammer, did you
think about it? Just say hey boys, Well no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no. The kitchen hasn't been that.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
There were just plans, okay, so that it's going to
be smashed up very soon, you know. But they were
measuring up for the smashing up. But it's all coming together,
it's all coordinated into this, finally starting to get it done.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I'm happy for you, mate, what to turn around from
yesterday because you were feeling it. You're feeling the pressure
of knowing you know, these boys were going to come
in and you've got the double mattress going on.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I was talking about the hardship that we're facing, Tracy
and I having to move into the spare room, I
mean stuff, wedging all our stuff from our normal room
into the spare room.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
My office stands, my life of stands, not for Tracy's
clothes and all of her stuff, just for the extra mattress.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
No, we're running a Princess in the Peace situation with
several mattresses for space piled up on top of each other.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, very good. Space is a premium Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Anyway, it's one of the great feelingxes Yeah, winner starts yep, yeah,
well ORed machine.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Right on to today's show after three o'clock, story about
an Auckland man raising concerns about a license renewal for
the who Are Pie tavern. He doesn't want them to
serve booze anymore. But this is around he's the only
one who's objected to them having their booze license. This
was after he was in the pub with his three
year old grandson and he claims the grandson was assaulted
by someone who had too many drinks, and he said

(02:32):
that the particular pub didn't protect him and his family.
But what appears to have happened is this three year
old child was playing up, acting up, causing a bit
of news nuisance to other patrons, and one of them
came up, smacked him on the bum, said you've got
to behave, and then turned around to the grandfather and said,
sort your grandson out. This is unacceptable behavior. Yeah, that's

(02:55):
old school, a very old school. The smack of the
bum is right up there.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, and even disciplining other people's kids is kind of
frowned upon these days. Yeah, I mean, are you allowed
to should you? I mean I think you probably may
be over stepping a twenty twenty six boundary going up
and giving the kid a whack. But if the kids
running around being an idiot and runs past your table
or does something knock something strong spoons around, can't you go?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
You little you, your bad amble, your big cavil, your gun. Yeah,
let's do that right. Yeah, Well, that's a question we
put to you and looking forward to your thoughts on that.
After when are we talking about this? After three? After three?
I want to share a story.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
What was the TV show that had Manu Jemima Big
Tead in Little Tea School in Humpty?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Play School? Play School?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Great show.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
One of the hosts of Play School back in the
day really took me to task and did some some
disciplining as an adult.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh this is good. You're going to name and shame.
Uh yeah, Well was Danny Watson part of Police School?
I think Danny Watson was there? Now mate?

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Oh he was?

Speaker 7 (03:59):
What?

Speaker 8 (03:59):
Now?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's right? Yeah, all right, looking forward to your thoughts
on that. After three o'clock? Is it ever okay to
tell off someone else's child? After two o'clock? A christ
Chutch woman has been left without a car after her
twenty fourteen Toyota Aqua was stolen. Get this for the
fourth time, the poor thing in three years, with the
latest theft causing so much dem damage. Rather, the vehicle
is now a right off, so that aside. I mean

(04:21):
that sucks. Having your car stolen four times the same
car in three years is pretty bad luck. But when
it comes to car thievery, how hard is it to
steal a car these days?

Speaker 9 (04:32):
You know?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
We always hear about the likes of the Toyota Aqua
and the Mez, the Demio, and there's some other punishing
little nano cars that seem to get picked up.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, the mass Demio will often be stolen and driven
through the front of a.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Dairy yep, by some very chance.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yes, But are people actually stealing cars in the old
school way the chop shop? You know, you know, getting
the engine numbers off it off the engine block and
changing the plates and driving them around.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
You couldn't do that anymore, could you. You couldn't.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
You wouldn't be able to get about cars surely only
being stolen for joy rides and and criminal activity, rams
aids and stuff.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Seems to be the case here. The days of the
old chop shop. I haven't heard of a story about
a chop shop for the.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Decas so is so surely car theft is down right, yeah,
because unless you're doing some little little crime or you're
just an idiot that's going for a joy ride, then
there's not really a situation where you can make money
from stealing them, can you. I mean I could be wrong, yeah,
I mean you've stripped them down for parts and sell those.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
But someone will know if you've had your car stolen,
who was it was a joy rider or did it
go to a chop shop? That is after two o'clock.
But right now, let's discuss Winston Peter's and New Zealand first.
So there's a little bit of argie bargie happening yesterday
between National and New Zealand first. But Winston Peters, he
was on with Heather to Police Allen last night where
she grilled him about his stance on whether or not

(05:57):
he will work with the Labor Party. And here is
part of that interview.

Speaker 10 (06:00):
Well, I said four years ago, clearly to a journalist
in the Nazeld Herald or Young was a name that
I was never going to go back with Labor for
the reasons I laid out nothing's changed.

Speaker 11 (06:12):
But you said that in nineteen twenty sex about Jim
Bolger and then you put them in No, No, I
did not.

Speaker 10 (06:16):
I said nothing on sort ninety six. I've never said
anything like that before any election until the twenty twenty
three election.

Speaker 11 (06:23):
Did you not say in nineteen ninety six to voters
to put Jim Bolger in opposition where he belongs before
you chose him.

Speaker 10 (06:29):
No, excuse me. The voters were told ninety ninety six
when an election, So the people who will decide this election,
I said, will be the voters on election night. That's
what happened, and we had the discussions with both sides,
and in the end it turned out to be very,
very very important because Helen Clark did not have the
guaranteed support of the Alliance. That's what we found out

(06:49):
on the last day of.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Nona explaining is losing. Winston explaining is losing.

Speaker 11 (06:53):
And so one time you said something that somebody thought
was going to would mean you'd go with Labor and
then nick minute, you're going with National and that's true.

Speaker 10 (06:59):
Twenty seventeen, we're explaining, No, explain, it's not losing. I've
been in more elections than anybody else in this country.
And I have never, apart from twenty twenty three, said
who we're going to rule out. I have never done
that before.

Speaker 6 (07:12):
Those are the facts.

Speaker 11 (07:13):
The theory is that what's going to happen is after
the election, you're going to negotiate with both at the
same time, and it's the one of them who is
prepared to give you prime ministership.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's who you'll need.

Speaker 10 (07:22):
No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm not negotiating with labor,
and particularly with a bunch of communists to their left
and I've been a bunch of racists to the left
or that.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
So yeah, pretty definitive in that particular interview.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
So recently, he did say that he would rule out
working with labor if Chris Hopkins was the leader. That
was his wording, right, yep, correct, Now his wording is
or during this Ordery Young interview, he's saying that he
would never work with labor. So that's essentially At one

(07:58):
point it sounded like he was just talking about not
working with Chris Upkins. Now he's categorically said he won't
work with labor.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
But that is a change. It was in a piece
of the Herald, written by a particular political reporter. But
you did say that it's right there for anybody to
read that I will not work with the Labor Party
when it is when it's leaders Christopher Hopkins. So a
lot of people saw that as a bit of an
out for Winston. If he needed to negotiate and.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Swap him out, then he's got an out. Yeah, it
goes in negotiations, get rid of this muppet, and I'm in.
But let's just go back in the time machine t
in nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 12 (08:34):
Zerland first call as an executive council have chosen this
afternoon by a massive consensus to form a coalition government
with the National Party.

Speaker 13 (08:41):
I think it's a disappointment to every New Zealander who
voted for Government of Change on the twelfth of October.
I think many will see it as a betrayal, and
most will find it very difficult, indeed to understand.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Because the received understanding was that he was going.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
To go with Labor.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Correct at that point during the campaign trail, Yes, this
was the line here. So he instructed voters to put
Jim Boulder in opposition where he belongs, and in that
Bartique election. Labor had a bigger slice of the percentage
in terms of voters, and they thought it was a
sure bet, and Winston went the other way.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
It was an interesting situation that how that government went
down over time and then let's we could not go
back to twenty seventeen, could we.

Speaker 12 (09:27):
We had a choice to make whether it was either
with National or Labor for a modified status quo or
for change in our negotiations. Both National Labor were presented
with that opportunity working together, covering together for New Zealand.

(09:48):
That's why in the end we chose a coalition government
of New Zealand First with a Zian Labor party.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Thank you very much, any question.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
So that's twice, right twice where he's or New Zealand
First has gone a different way than expected. Yeah, So
he said quite clearly now that he wouldn't go with Labor.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Do you believe him?

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Do you think that he would not go with labor.
There's no circumstances in which he would go with labor.
And if so, how does that change the election? Because
Labor's best chance of getting in as worth New Zealand First,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
They need friends, Yeah, I mean they've got some pretty
far left bedfellows if they don't have New Zealand first, Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
What do you say, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty?
Do you believe what Winston Peters is saying in that
particular interview with Heather to Plicey Ellen that he will not,
under any circumstances even sit down at the negotiating table
with Labor And is that a wise strategy?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Wouldn't trust him? As far as I could spit, New
Zealand wouldn't be in the mess it is now if
he hadn't chosen Labor for his own spiteful payback in
twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Okay, how fuck can you spit? That's good question. Keep
those texts coming through A nine to two nine too.
It is seventeen past one, bik for surely.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
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Speaker 3 (11:21):
News talks there b it is twenty past one. So
Winston Peters, in an interview with here the last night,
seem to definitively rule out working with Labor at all,
not even sitting down in the negotiating table. If he's
in a position to do so at the election, what
do you say, Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty Peter,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (11:38):
How are you.

Speaker 15 (11:39):
Gooday, guys, I want to trust Winston met All. He's
got his I can't say the L word out, but
he has done that with a lot of the time.
I didn give you a really good one, but.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
Which is true.

Speaker 15 (11:56):
But that goes all the way back to two thousand
and eight. But I won't look if the current lock
get say, under sixty seats, I they can't form a government.
He'll talk to Labor, try and keep the minus, to
keep the ultra file left out. He will still go
with the far left communist Labor Party because they all

(12:16):
and they all do it well. I had to do
it because you wouldn't want the Marys and Greens having
all the say. But I hope if that happens the
far left block at the get in. Just have for
three years with them and see the paradise they give
it to us.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Do you think a government with Winston Peters with New
Zealand first, with Labor New Zealand first words, because you
know in the past he sold himself as tempering the
excesses of the left right.

Speaker 15 (12:46):
So yeah, but that's what that's not what the But
that's not a way to go in, is it. That's
you know what, We'll still get some of the if
things come through, you won't have you won't have the gravitas,
like he added twenty seventeen when he set up the
demise of New Zealand by it and not we take Cindy.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Do you think how do you think this will play
out for the election? So do you you don't believe him,
but do you think people will?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Do you think?

Speaker 9 (13:12):
Who?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Do you think this benefits?

Speaker 6 (13:15):
Lot?

Speaker 15 (13:15):
Look at a bout of people that believe them in
not twenty seventeen just meant to be keeping National honest
and he went with Labor.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
I mean, if you look back on that, I know
a lot of people are angry about it. And that's
fair enough too because National got forty four percent of
the vote in Labor. I think we're on thirty six.
And Winston did pull the rug out from a lot
of people's feet. But to be fair, he didn't say
he wasn't going to work with Labor then, right, and
that election campaign he said he was not going to
go with them, but.

Speaker 15 (13:43):
He's always fuzzy with his words. It is out here.
If he can't perform and government the other two Act
and National he could talk with Labor to try and
keep I think it's still have to Corolais with the Greens, possibly.

Speaker 8 (13:56):
But it'd be like seventy Greens have really a much So.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Do do you think do you think that the Greens
and Tipati Maldi would go with Winston in a coalition.

Speaker 15 (14:09):
N the Greens would, but the Marriags we shut out.

Speaker 9 (14:13):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. They wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
They wouldn't come to the equation. They wouldn't have You
wouldn't think that they would. They would be needed in
that kind of that kind of coalition, would you.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah. But it's.

Speaker 15 (14:28):
The you know, they're always going about acting far right.

Speaker 9 (14:31):
They are.

Speaker 15 (14:31):
That makes the Greens and Marry are definitely far left.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I don't think anyone could even question that they are
far left.

Speaker 15 (14:40):
They say there they're left.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
They're far left.

Speaker 15 (14:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty labors Labors more than central They're
are far left. The New Zealand's politics has moved to
the center left, the national center, left, right, right, center
wins and Peters has left as well. There's left of
our labor of national so our politics lies and not

(15:07):
even the center any more, lies of the scene to left,
everyone's expecting a handout.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, Peter, thank you very much for your thoughts. Really
appreciate it. Do you agree with Peter? Do you not
trust Winston Peter's and what he's got to say for himself.
I mean it is interesting because Winston mentioned in that
interview that nobody has been through more elections than him,
and he's quite right. But when someone's that politically savvy,
the strategy of ruling out a major party doesn't compute

(15:35):
to me. I mean it doesn't. It doesn't seem like
a smart move to make that you lower how much
you can get for your own party. If you take
someone out of negotiating table, your leverage then becomes half.
So if he ever wants to and I know the
theories out there that maybe he wants to be prime minister.
So if he wants to be prime minister and try
and get that over the table, and he's only got

(15:56):
one party, maybe two parties to negotiate with and not Labor,
then that chance goes, you know, goes down the Googler,
doesn't it. Yeah, although.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
This move is probably more about cannibalizing Nationals vote, trying
to get as much of Nationals vote as they possibly can.
I mean, you say, no one's been in Parliament as
long as Winston. Definitely true. Nineteen seventy eighty percent parliament. Yea,
it's very long time ago. Hey, the sixs hang on Fellers.
Winston said he wouldn't side with Labor. Well, they were
with the communist Greens or racist multi party. If he

(16:26):
gets enough voltes, he could still choose Labor and form
a two party coalition. Well, let's listen to what exactly
he said at the end of this interview with Heather.

Speaker 10 (16:36):
I'm not negotiating with labor, and particularly with a bunch
of communists to their left, and I've been a bunch
of racists to the left or that.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
So he says, I'm not negotiating with Labor particularly that's
what it's word. So he clearly said I'm not negotiating
with labor. So he said, I won't even negotiate with them, right,
that's pretty clear that is I won't, although I won't
definitely one hundred percent. Particularly you don't need to add
the particularly that's going over one hundred percent. I won't

(17:04):
negotiate with labor particularly. But I think that's pretty clear, right,
he said he was pretty definitive. I mean, if he did,
that piece of audio would be you know, if he
even negotiates with him, that piece of audio, Brandy down
a lot certainly would Then.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Again, the guy's eighty one, what would he hear it
at the thought? Did you think if he was offered
prime minister he would take it at eighty one? Yeah? Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty would be a hell
of a last chapter for Winston Beaters. Nine two is
the text number is twenty six plast one.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
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Speaker 16 (17:38):
All good news when you see them, dink our goal, viz.
The deal seems to be this is the five or
ten million dollar investment deal. In its first year we
have nearly four billion.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
RICKA.

Speaker 16 (17:46):
Stanford is of course the Immigration minister and as is
this a thing that will come and go or is
this a continual flow of people?

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Do you think?

Speaker 7 (17:53):
Well?

Speaker 17 (17:53):
I've asked some of the lawyers who do all these
applications and they've said to me, this is not slowing down.
In fact, with an increasingly unstable world, we're seeing a
heightened number of applications and interest coming through. So I
suspect that there will be another billion flowing into the
economy before the end of the year. So not showing
signs of slowing down, which again is just great for jobs,
great for growth, great for productification.

Speaker 16 (18:12):
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Speaker 3 (18:17):
Twenty nine past one. Get a Pete. Yeah, good thoughts.

Speaker 18 (18:23):
I think I put it and he just seemed not
long ago that he is still he wouldn't work with
Chris Hipkins. So now he's changed from the stop today
or when it with Heather yesterday, So you must have
realized it.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
He said there to.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Labor, So yeah, we were saying, we were saying that
at the start. Have you got the exact wording of
when he said that. We couldn't find the audio of it,
but it was in a in a interview.

Speaker 8 (18:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
So the extra report it's by Thomas Coglan, political editor
for the Heralds. So New Zealand's first leader, Winston Peters,
wants to make it very clear he won't be working
with Labor after the election if the party is stall
led by Chris Hipkins. That is the top line, right,
And so that's a quote from Winston Peters. Yes, so
we see it. During the end view, Peter's discussed as
then precedented decision to rule out working with Labor prior

(19:12):
to the twenty twenty three election. He had never explicitly
ruled out a party in previous elections, he says. Then
he went on to say, when I ruled out Hipkins
in twenty twenty three, I ruled him out permanently. Peters said. So,
then the article does go on to say he actually
did rule out Labor in twenty twenty two, but then

(19:32):
focused on Hipkins in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Right, But now, Pete, he's clearly in this interview with
Heather ruled out Labor.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
In its entirety.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
So I don't know why you do that, because at
least when he said long, it's christ Hipkins and they
would deal with him. So I didn't why he's change
that idea. Now he's left himself. He's basically you shoot
himself in a pull a little bit, because now he's
taken that option off the table by saying not going
to for Labor.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
So do you think that maybe his thinking is that
he wants to take votes from National, wants to and
he thinks the coalition will get back in and he
but he wants a bigger share of the vote. So
he's saying, look, you know, you can safely vote for
New Zealand first and it won't mean that Labor, the

(20:22):
Greens and Ta Pati Mali get in. So therefore feel
free to vote for New Zealand first instead of Nationally.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
I think that's what he's doing. He doesn't want to
get the other clowns back in because Labor or the
Party Mary or the Act no sorry not Act with
the Greens. So I don't think he wants them to
get back and he's quite happy with what we've got now,
hoping that those three parties stay to go, and that's
what he's aimers now. In some ways I do support
what he's doing, but I just taking Labor totally off

(20:52):
the table, he's leaving himself with the more vulnerable for
debate when it comes closer to the election time.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
I think, when if you know the coalition that we
have now is reforming, what kind of percentage would New
Zealand first have to get before Winston says, I want
to be PM.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
Oh he doesn't really want that position, but you don't
know what.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Ending his career as pmd be pretty impressive. Career into
parliament in ninety seventy eight and even nineteen in twenty
twenty sixty, horizes to PM, that would be quite something.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
I think it'd be a nice ending for him, but
I don't think it's challenge the probably But mind you,
he's got the high he gets to let he's got
the high percentage. Maybe they've got a good choice.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Maybe surely anyone who gets into politics wants to become
prime minister. That's that's the end game, isn't it. You know,
like that's that's the ambition.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
So Pete, I mean, as there are there politicians, they say,
there's some that say they don't some of them say
they don't want to be prime minister or they have
no leadership aspiration.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, but all of them do, don't you reckon Pete?
We lost Pete? Oh okay, all right, Pete, thank you
very much. Thank if you call Pete, appreciate it. Keep
them coming through on O one hundred and eighty ten eighties,
and there's plenty of techs coming through. Pete, thank you
very much. We just got your back there at the
last minute.

Speaker 9 (22:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
It's funny.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Everyone's looking at his words very very carefully. Winston's saying
not negotiating eighting not negotiating does not mean that he
won't form an agreement with him. He just goes in
with a bunch of non negotiable terms. He doesn't have
to negotiate, but he still forms I'd.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Agree with flavor. So it all goes wrong.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Is that the kind of out that you'd accept? I mean,
not that people have to accept. They didn't accept it
in nineteen ninety six. Really, people got angry and they
didn't accept it. In twenty seventeen, really people went come
on mate. But if you said, well, he said, I
didn't negotiate. I just told them what I wanted and
they gave it to me.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
That would be so dirty. But you can't roll it out.
What do you say? I one hundred and eighty ten Eightyes,
that number head lines with Raylen coming up.

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Speaker 3 (24:17):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It's twenty three to two
and we're talking about Winston Peters. He has on an
interview with Heather to policey Ellen last night definitively ruled
out working with the Labor Party if he's in a
position to do so at the election. What do you say,
do you believe him one hundred eighty years?

Speaker 4 (24:33):
I tell you a lot of people are picking over
the exact words, packing over the exact words around what
negotiate means. Maybe he plans to dictate the term, says Kevin.
So this TEXTA has this, This is this Texas is analysis.
If national get twenty five percent and New Zealand first
get close to twenty percent, then he will go for
PM any less than twenty percent.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Nah, that'd be quite a lot. I mean he smashes
twenty percent national.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
I mean New Zealand first got six percent in the
in the last election. Yeah, Act eight point six, a
national thirty eight percent. If a national go down to
twenty five and Act to twenty quite a swing, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
It certainly would be?

Speaker 6 (25:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:15):
But would a matter what the percentage is? Before you
go for PM.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Wouldn't it be with a I mean, is it automatic
that it has to be PM because you're the largest
party in the coalition.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Is that is that there's no law? No, not always.
There are international cases where you know, there has been
a party that didn't have as many votes as the
main party and they negotiated to have one of their
members as Prime minister. Whether we'd be okay with that, yeah,
but then.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
When you get some negotiations, if he said he won't
negotiate with Labor, then he goes, look to form this government.
I want to be PM. Then then you know National go, Well,
you said you wouldn't negotiate with Labours to take it
to leave it?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, yep, yep, nicely said Conrad. You're a lifelong New
Zealand First member.

Speaker 19 (26:00):
Yeah, yeah, I'll follow. I am surprised overall in terms
of his career that he would rule out with him
with Labor. So here's one series thing towards the end
of his political career, right, and maybe he's starting to
become a bit of a gambler. So he's gambling that
the New zeal On First and National will get over
sixty seats, right, and that by distancing himself by from

(26:21):
labor will win his z on first more.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Seeds, right, yep.

Speaker 19 (26:27):
And that is the concept in itself, by the way,
just digress for example, if literally say the Greens when
he's on first working with Greens, that actually wins them
votes if you get the logic there from apart from
from under a lot of new genres who might you know,
have issues with the Greens that they will jeep ruling

(26:48):
out working with the Greens might actually win his own
first vote. So that that's generally the theory. But back
to New zeal on first vote and Winston, Yeah, I
think he's becoming a bit of a gambler now he
realizes that that there's not much time less Now I
think the gamble from him is that the act he's
on first National will get over the sixty seats.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Think you're right. So you say you've been in New
Zealand's first member for life. So were you there when.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
Life not a member? But both right?

Speaker 8 (27:17):
Right?

Speaker 4 (27:17):
And so in nineteen ninety eight when that you know,
coalition split, were you in New zeal the first seemed
to crash and burn?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Did you stick with them then? And in two thousand and.

Speaker 19 (27:28):
Eight Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's right. I've been more
kind of like, you know, kind of New zeal first
kind of policy rather than getting carried out with other
parties he was with. For example, in ninety six, I
remember clearly, you know, I was eighteen and it was
coming up for the first MP election, and I remember
all the speeches from Helen Clark and Winston and Jamanders
and all the rest of it, and just just some

(27:49):
of their policies and stuff, and I've basically stuck to it.
I don't feel betrayed or anything. I guess you're referring
to a ninety second. I wasn't one of those people
that thought he was going to have with labor and
that kind of carry on. I just focused on news
on first and their policies and generally over time, I
mean some some famous examples two seventeen, two thousand and five,

(28:10):
I think, you know. So that's why I said it
originally at the beginning of my call, I am quite
surprised that he would rule out labor, but you've got
to remember he's coming towards the end. So yeah, oh yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Get your point about the roll of the dice and
nobody likes backing a loser. So if he takes labor
out of the equation, and some people may look at
that side of the voting block and say they don't
have as much of a chance as I thought they
did and put their votes out vote elsewhere, I mean,
it could play into his hands. Yeah, just going back
to the twenty seventeen eleague. So how do you feel
about that, because that's you know, that caused a lot

(28:41):
of grumbles and people and I think New Zealand First
got about seven point two percent of the vote and
the grumble there and I buy into this grumble that
National at the time had forty four percent, Labor had
thirty six percent, but having a party at seven percent
calling the shots really rubbed people up the wrong way,
I'm sure as a New Zealand first men, but you
were very happy that he was calling the shots.

Speaker 19 (29:02):
Yeah, I voted for him that that election. Yet yeah, well,
well I voted for he's on first that election.

Speaker 18 (29:06):
I'll just do answer your question.

Speaker 19 (29:09):
I think that's just the live of landscapes in New
Zealand since MP started up, and it's just ended up
that way. And when you go to the voting booth,
you've got to take that into account. And so not
not not that I was writing thing his on first
because they were like a little party or anything. I
mean I was just voting on basically on politics and

(29:29):
got immigration and foreign investment. But I was quite kind
of open minded as to you know, he could go
with Sinda or I think it was Bill English, Yeah, yeah,
the National off from down Southond where I've forgotten his
name for the moment after John Key, English Prime Minister
for Yeah, yeah Bli English, Yes, so yeah, no, no, no,

(29:52):
I've got no issues with any of the elections. It's
it's just that's just something that you got to take
into account. I mean there are other centrist parties to
a certain extent, I mean, but it's just not that
meant that's the big one in New Zealand And because
actor and it's seen as more of a trying to
center right party. Yeah. So yeah, no no issues.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Heah, yeah, I'll tell you what you know, lifetime New
Zealand First Fader in nineteen ninety eight when that National government,
you know, when that coalition between Zelan First and National
broke down, you would not have put money communion. If
you could have put money on where Winston Peters is

(30:35):
in nineteen ninety six at eighty one, I mean twenty
twenty six. You know where he sits in terms of
us sometimes in terms of how important he is for
the election. And you know, being Addictedy prime minister in
this government when he was one of them, you wouldn't.
It's just a phenomenal career. It's hard to believe. Yeah,

(30:56):
I'm a feeling and down and out so many times.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, I certainly thought he was done, done and dusted
a couple of elections, and he just keeps bouncing back
and stronger than ever. What was the last appolling numbers?
Anywhere between ten to fifteen percent. It is phenomenal his
survivability as a politician. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Hi, guys, love your show, but you have been misinformed
about the nineteen ninety six election. Labor plus New Zealand
First did not have the numbers to former government. They
needed the Alliance vote. At the last minute, Alliance refused
to join them in order to form a government. New
Zealand First went with Bulger. My brother was in New
Zealand First caucus, so I am well in forms as
to how the talks went. Interesting Peter, Yeah, that's what

(31:35):
Whenst Peter said in that interview we played at the start,
didn't he did?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeap, very good, Keep those teacher coming through on nine
two nine two. But can you trust Winston Peters when
he says he will not work with the Labor Party
in any way? It is according to two back very.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Surely Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty it's Matt Heathen Tyler
Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
News talks be thirteen two two, Tony, you've got a
conspiracy theory?

Speaker 8 (32:03):
Oh, yes, yes, I don't know whether it's a well
known fact. Would it is? It is o fact that
the present Governor General, Cindy Cairo, should have retired, but
her term has expired or is about to expire. However,
she has been granted or requested to serve for fury
the six months, just meaning that she will be the

(32:26):
Governor General the next election and immediately after that a
new Governor General will be appointed by the incoming government.
I suggest that Winston is holding out. He can do
whatever he likes. That him and the present coalition have
an understanding that he will be the next governor general.

(32:48):
He will give them the choice of Governor General or
High Commissioner in London or New York, both all positions
he has coveted.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
For all his life, has always wanted to governor.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
Listen. Also, Winnie is also extremely qualified to do any
of those three jobs as he is if nothing else,
he's a diplomat.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Hey, what were the three jobs Tony that you were suggesting?

Speaker 8 (33:16):
High commissioner in London or New York General?

Speaker 20 (33:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (33:21):
So what is the journal?

Speaker 4 (33:23):
What does the governor general actually do these days? I
know they get paid about and sixty years. Listen, listen,
lessen you listen, listen, Tony, what what what are you saying?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I'm listening.

Speaker 8 (33:34):
What does the governor? The governor General is advice one.
He is the most. He is the King's at the
monarchs representative. It's the highest position in the low rob
is not present?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Does Tony does? Does? Does Winston Peters want to end
his life as a Robin Catter?

Speaker 8 (33:53):
That's fine, He's done everything else, but.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
He has he hasn't been Prime Minister in me not well,
he has.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
In many ways he's been the day factor prime minister.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
That's true.

Speaker 8 (34:04):
Well, he's been the acting Prime minister more than once.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
I can see him.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
I look, I don't know, but I could see him
being the ambassador to London or or New York could
be something he'd enjoy.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
It'd be very good at that job.

Speaker 8 (34:18):
Can you imagine Winston and Trump in the certain town
or certainly in the certain countries, it'd be brilliant.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, all right, that's not
We listened to Tony, We certainly listened. It wasn't the
conspiracy theory I was hoping for.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
But I just can't see. You know, the governor general
is a good it's a good job. It's a good
paying job. I've just looked it up. Four four hundred
and fifty eight thousand a year, not bad, plus annual
allowance of forty one thousand, So it's a good payday,
it is.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
But does he want to I mean, when was the
last time he saw the governor general do anything? That's right?
What does the governor general do these days? It's a
good point.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
I think we live in an era where less people
know who the governor general is than ever before.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, but if that was the case, and so he
negotiates that. Then he leads the party as the leader.
So then you've got Shane Jones leading in New Zealand.
First while when he becomes gg and cuts ribbons, I
don't know. I put their percentag jet zero point five.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, there we go. I'm just trying to use
the phones there, John, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, Hew goyes, how good, very good.

Speaker 21 (35:27):
So Cindy Curry is a cousin. Actually I found I
did the DNA. He thinks he's a fourth cousin, but
not that she would known me from Adam.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
But still first flash that is Yeah, I.

Speaker 21 (35:38):
Was a founder people at Howick College in Auckland in
the seventies. And back then the kids that came from
Beachlands and Marita used to come to how A College
because it was the closest high school yep. And I
had the best mate who lived out at Marito and
they used to hitchhike out there. And when I was
I must have been sixteen to seventeen, and it's forty

(36:00):
seven years ago. I think of this because I'm sixty
three now, coming up sixty four. Winston Peters picked me
up hitchhiking and I remember, I remember him. I actually
remember the car ride vividly, which is a very odd memory,
I guess. But that so the guy is a living
treasure really, I mean, he's he's been around so long
and he knows I mean not that I'm blowing smoke,

(36:22):
but I mean he must know more than more about
politicians in this country than just about anybody else I
would have.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
So what year was that, John?

Speaker 21 (36:30):
It would have been seventy nine, I think either the
end of seventy eight or early seventy nine. And so
what do you have been empty for Hunua? Maybe back then?

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Well, yeah, he would have just yeah, he would have
just been elect because it was in nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I believe he joined yeah pliment.

Speaker 21 (36:47):
It was pretty close to when he was five.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
So that was it.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
That would have been a youthful, a youthful Winston Peters,
what was he like?

Speaker 6 (36:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (36:55):
He was.

Speaker 21 (36:55):
And the funny thing is I was doing business in
christ Church only a few months ago, and I was
in a hotel and he walked in. He's a little fella,
and but he was dressed impeccably. And you talk about
your ambassadory or kind of eloquent, So I mean he's
quite an impressed for little guy, and so I think
he'd make an outstanding governor general actually because he just

(37:18):
I mean, he carries the money, doesn't me he does.
He crosses between racial device and he's a straight talker.
And yeah, and I'm sound like I'm falling in love
with Winston here, but I mean he's fair enough.

Speaker 20 (37:30):
You can do that.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
John.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
He picked you up when he was It would have
been in his early thirties. I mentioned in nineteen seventy nine.
I mean, I'm just doing quick math here. Would it
have been about It would have been about thirty three.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I think he was in politics then.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah, yeah, well he got on nineteen seventy eight, I
find correct, So it would have been about thirty three
when he picked up.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
And I'll tell her what he's good looking now. He
certainly is. He was a smoke show at thirty three.
Very suave, right, beg very shortly. It is seven to two.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty eight. It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons
news Talks.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
EDB news Talks. It'd be it is four minutes to
one quick text here you get our guys. Winston is
not a nice guy, carries on like Muldoom when asked
questions by the media, I couldn't trust them. And this
one love Winston. He has served this country beautifully and
I trust him inherently. He would be a great prime
minister if it comes to that.

Speaker 19 (38:26):
Is well.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
So fantastic texts coming through, Thank you very much. So
Winston has ruled out negotiating with Labor.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Anyone who is around in ninety six or twenty and
seventeen might have some doubts about that, some little doubts
in the back of their mind, but I reckon, he
reckons the Coalition is going to get over sixty percent.
And so this is his strategy to get a bigger
piece of that pie. Has the strategy to get some,
get some a little bit off, a little bit more
off national, maybe a little bit more off act, yeah,

(38:52):
and just get a little bit more of that pie
without people worrying about him going over to Labor and
bringing in the Greens into Baddy Marty.

Speaker 6 (39:00):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
We'll see how that plays out for him. There'll be
more to come on that as we get closer to
the election, as well, coming up after two a clock
stolen for these days, We'll tell you more soon, the.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 1 (39:16):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Said the very good afternoon to welcome back into the
show six pass two. So let's talk about car thefts.
This is on the back of a story about a
christ Us woman who has been left without a car
after her twenty fourteen Toyota Aqua was stolen. Get this
for the fourth time in just three years, with the
latest theft causing so much damage the vehicle is now

(39:40):
a write off. So we want to have a chat
to you about your car being stolen, on what happened
in those circumstances, but more in regards to what and
who is stealing these cars. Is it purely just joy
riders who are taking things like Toyota Aquiz and Mesda Demios,
whereas there's still a car shop operation somewhere out there

(40:01):
that you've got professional car thieves taking off with cars,
running them to the chop shop, breaking them up for
parts and they're making some coin.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah, can you actually sell a stolen car in New Zealand?
It just seems like the tracking of cars and the
tracking of engine numbers and license.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Plates and such.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Is so intense now that I just can't imagine a
chop shop being able to sort out a car.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Say, what a chop shoppers? Are you sure there's a
what of chop shoppers? Definitely? Is that a chop choppers?
I'm sure. I mean, I'm getting my information here from
Hollywood movies, but I'm sure the chop shop means somewhere
you drop off a car, they turn, they chop it
up right, and then they sell sell the parts.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
All right?

Speaker 3 (40:42):
What kind of shop am I thinking of? There's another
type of shop I'm thinking of, butcher it is a
type of chop shop. I'm off topic, Yeah, but that
is that what's happening?

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Is there a gone in sixty seconds type situation in
New Zealand or cars stolen to order? Or is it
just mes to demios and toy outer aquas being stolen
for joy rides or to smash through the front of
dairies and ram raids.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Yeah, love to hear your experience. If you've had a
car stolen and you found out who actually took it,
was that a couple of young people who were just
taking it for a joy ride, or did you find
out that the likely story it was to order or
it was run into what many people call chop shops.
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Nine two nine to two is the text.

(41:29):
Let's get into it. It is ten past two this
Texas says, I stole a car yesterday. Okay, okay, Well
tell us more. Where did it go? Yeah? Was it
just a joy ride? Or did you take it to
a chop shop? I don't think you did. I think
you just felt like testing that out. Ten pars too,
beg very shortly.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said be.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Here, he got afternoon to you. And it's twelve pars too.
So we're talking about cars being stolen and what are
they being stolen for. Are there's still such thing as
chop shops? Are there professional car fees out there? Or
is it mostly just young people want to take it
for a joy. Right, If you've had your car stolen?
What happened though? One hundred and eighteen eighty I think
Matt is thinking of the knock shop, not the chop shop.

(42:17):
I think that's what you.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yeah, was in the back of your mind. Yeah, if
we've been honest, mate, I was thinking of a knock
shop that that tracks.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Duncan. How are you mate?

Speaker 9 (42:28):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Sorry, sorry, Duncan, start again. I didn't turn your phone
on and I'm an idiot. I apologize.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
So can you can you start from the beginning if
you seid anything, Dunk and welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (42:36):
Yeah, no, all good mate, no worries. Hey, you know
I had last year, I had my twenty twenty three
title highlights stolen.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Right twenty twenty three. That sucks.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
So that's got quite of a lot of empty theft technology,
doesn't it a twenty twenty three highlight?

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (42:52):
So the biggest issue was that was that someone left
keys in it.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
All right, that makes it easier.

Speaker 9 (42:59):
So yeah, you know, absolutely absolutely idiot.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
When you say someone, when you say someone you want
to name in shame, yeah, yeah, no you're talking to
him Dunker.

Speaker 22 (43:08):
It was.

Speaker 8 (43:12):
So.

Speaker 9 (43:12):
Yeah, it was at our holday house at Sotho and
pucked up on the lawn connected to the boat work
up in the morning. Course it's gone and they're taken
the boat off believe it or not, which was you know,
would have been more disappointed they're taking that, but bring
the police as you do, and didn't think anything was happening,
and then just yet policeman turned up and said, oh, yep,

(43:32):
this is what's happened. We've actually spotted your use on
cameras at three in the morning, right, and we think
we know where it is. And they shot down the
two ringing and said we're going to speak to someone
down there, and they ring me probably within four hours
and said we've found it. It's been stashed in the bush.
And this is the third tire high locks that these

(43:54):
groups of people have stolen that week, right, and they
stashed what they're doing as a stashing them in the
bush down there and letting things die down, and then
they go off to a chop shop.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Right, And so is this a crime of opportunity though,
because you know they're looking to all the high locks,
they must have been stoked when they saw the key.

Speaker 9 (44:11):
Yeah, I thought that. But it was really interesting talking
to the police. They were amazing to see her, like,
you know, they were apologetic about it happening, and it's
like mate, it was my fold. I left keys in it,
but they said no, they would have known it was there,
and it was just purely coincidence that I'd left the
keys in the day they come to get it right,
and I was talking to my insurance desess about later on.
You know, I fissed up from the start. Look, I

(44:33):
left the keys in it, and he goes he said,
this is assurance says that genuinely said to me they
would have taken it without the keys. I don't know how,
but apparently the technologies out there they can. And so
did the.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Police say, say where they what? Where the market is so.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Going to have to get They're going to have to
get a new number plates, They're going to have to change,
you know, the engine numbers.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
There's quite a lot to do, right.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (45:00):
I don't know whether it's the gone of sixty seconds
thing where they're sticking in the container it's off to Australia,
or whether they literally literally chop it up into little parts.
I don't know, but yeah, it was. It was pretty
amazing they caught there. There was four offenders and they
knew who one of them was and got him the
face and yeah, he went through the court system and
got to slip on the wrist of it.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, have to be the case, yea.

Speaker 9 (45:24):
And yeah, but that's sort of you know obviously, you know,
leaving the keys in the cars, probably assisting there to
stop to get a car stole them. But you know,
you make mistakes, say.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
And interesting they left the boat Duncan, like I can
probably it maybe understand that, So I.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Went after the boat. Boats whole another issue a deal.
You could chop up a boat, yeah.

Speaker 9 (45:44):
Yeah, yeah, to be fear, that boat would have been
pretty hard to hide. But the boat was locked on
the back of the ute and the keys for the
boat hitch were in the ute, and they found those
keys and hitched and hitched the boat. So they really
wanted that highlight.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Say so, yeah, but that but they don't sound like
master criminals. I mean, how quickly were they found Duncan
and they it sounds like the police.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Know, boys, we know who did it.

Speaker 9 (46:13):
Yeah, And I think that's why the police were kind
of apologetics, like, well, we actually know you're doing it,
but we're not able to stop them.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
So they didn't know where the chop shop was. They
just that's them with a lot of these guys that.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Was parted in the bush and then and then go back.
But you know, as you know, it was spotted on
c C t V. And that's another part of it
right now. I mean there's not a whole lot of
places they don't have a bit of c C t V.

Speaker 9 (46:39):
I mean, yeah, absolutely, well they literally saw it going
through and then through touring. So that's that gave an
idea where it was.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, and you got paid out, Duncan.

Speaker 9 (46:50):
Yep, So we got the car back and it was
just it was actually fine that they're given an insolute
hiding and taking it off road and just send it
away to to give the once over and insurance can
be dealt with everything. I honestly don't know if they
did anything with it or not.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
So then then set up a soup kitchen in there
or anything that's good. No other guy referenced great movie.
The other guy great Bill Farrell. Yeah, well I'm glad.
I'm glad you got it back. And how great is
topor as a as a. I mean that's where our
holiday fat that's the great.

Speaker 8 (47:25):
Yeah, we love it.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
You got a batch down there, Duncan.

Speaker 9 (47:27):
It's an old family batch, very lucky.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, you got on your Duncan nice.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Oh well, I'm glad you got your Highluck's back, and
I imagine that you're looking after your keys a bit
better now.

Speaker 9 (47:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can not believe him in there now,
I know.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah, thanks very much for your call, Duncan, what a
good man. I eatee hundred eighty ten eighty. So you
got a story similar to Duncan that your newer vehicle
was nicked and it looked like it was hitting for
a chop shop. I won one hundred eighty ten eighties.
Number to cool nineteen nine two is the text back?
Very shortly? It is eighteen pas two.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk sav.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
It is twenty past too, so we're talking about calf there.
So if you had your cast, did you find out
who were the thieves? Was it somewhat professionals on their
way to a chop shop or was it joy riders?
Eight hundred and eighty eighty is that number to call? Mark?
How are you? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (48:20):
Good?

Speaker 23 (48:20):
You know chop shops, reregistration of trailers, there's all sorts
of scam going on New Zellen. I'll go back to
a couple of incidents. I mean, I've got six vehicles
still missing at the moment from my business.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Wow.

Speaker 23 (48:37):
Yeah, there was a going back before COVID, there was
Do you want to know the nationalities of the of
the offenders or not?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Probably not? Probably not essential to the story.

Speaker 23 (48:49):
Sort of is because but I'll cover it colilater because
they're different nationalities. Migrants. I'll leave at migrants at the moment.
But yeah, there was there was a group of guys
stealing in bands around Auckland at one stage. Then there
were another group of guys chopping cars down in the

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Papakura area and car wrecking yards. And then there's another
group of guys that were stealing trailers and reregistering them.
Because the police came to see me and says, do
you understand how this thing works? And I says, yeah,
you go in and reregister or stolen trailer as a
brand new trailer, and you get a you get a

(49:32):
registration plate. And they found a guy out. We're stalking
with forty trailers all stolen. But the other the other
weird thing is people believe that when you go get
a warrant of fitness they check the registration with the motor.
They never do. All they look at is the chasis
number at most. So there's a lot of cars that

(49:55):
people who buy a replacement motors for their cars and
they're coming out of wrecking yards. There's another group of
guys in my particular case with my six missing vehicles,
they were they weren't actually physically still in the vehicle.
They were going to the post office changing the registrations
into their names and then going out and getting finance

(50:16):
loans on the vehicles.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Wow, that's you're leaving a bit of a trail there,
aren't you to get rumbled?

Speaker 23 (50:24):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (50:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 23 (50:24):
Well, there's a group of us that are on fair
Go that they did about three or four programs about
us and it's still ongoing. I mean ironically wrote to
the police last week where are my six vehicles? Because
I know where they are, but they still haven't done
anything about it.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
So what sort of valuable value of vehicle is it?

Speaker 23 (50:42):
Mark they're predominantly motor homes, so they're not not cheap
because and also part of the investigation of the undercover
guys we had, we found that it was a group
of guys that are making electronic coded keys for the
European one. So which is you know, when you've got
a key to the modern car, there's a sensor that

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picks up the magnetic and inside the key.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (51:09):
Now it's not illegal to to make the keys, but
when you make them for stealing cars, yeah it is.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Well you can't because you can go to any Kiosk,
right and get your your you know, they'll they'll make
a clone of your key.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
I mean I've had it done, not not always.

Speaker 23 (51:27):
I mean i'm talking Mercedes, I'm talking top ends like
Mercedes Audis, these sort of things. Generally really the only
one will do a coded key, right, because because especially
coded to the car.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Right, actually saying yeah yeah, so so my my, my
mine wasn't. But I mean I was quite impressed. So
I went into a Kioska, see can you make a
clone of this? And they said, yeah, take half an hour.
Where's your car?

Speaker 3 (51:47):
They went out. It was in the car park here
that they did it.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
And it's worked just as good as the incredibly expensive
other key's not cheap and they're not giving you two
keys with your cars now, no, no, no, and everything.

Speaker 23 (52:00):
I was I was down at a wrecker's yard, or
probably only about a year ago, and a guy come
and came in and I was I was looking at
other car parts, and the guy's walking through there and
he sees his own car up on the file in
a wrecking yard, and he was he was absolutely dumbfounded
because he had it supposed he stored out at west Auckland.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
So what are you doing in that situation?

Speaker 23 (52:24):
Well, there was a big argument between the wrecker and
the thing because this guy, this guy had legitimate brought it,
but he hadn't done due diligence and searching on the ownership.
Because the guy who sold it to him had a
bona fide business. He got he got the cash pro
problems and started selling cars that he was storing to records.

(52:46):
And now now this is where it gets interesting because
of the wreckers the records that I was watching that
they were cutting the vehicles behind the first the first
pillar because because they sell the front end of the bit,
most of it is in the front end and the
rear axle, right that they don't they don't actually want
the back end of the vehicle. Right, if you cut,
if you cut behind the front pillar, you can put it.

(53:06):
You can put it into most containers and a fork lift.
It's only the really expensive one that they'll put the
entire car into a container.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
So in terms of identification for a car, you've got
obviously the registration plate, and you've got the the well,
you got the number on the you've got the number
on the chess and the number on the engine, right.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Don't know.

Speaker 23 (53:25):
Yeah, but that's the interesting thing. I went to police
about my vehicles and they wouldn't have let me report
and stole then, and I said, well why not? Because
this is this was the first game they were changing.
They're going to the post office spending nine dollars and
putting the cars into the in nates. So my first
six vehicles, the police wouldn't let me report the vehicle

(53:47):
because they changed the registration.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Right and then but.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Then, but then, if you change the registration, don't you
just go and find who's registered the vehicle.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
There's a paper track or privacy.

Speaker 23 (54:00):
They won't. They won't give it to you.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Privacy committed a crime. Frustrating that was the problem.

Speaker 23 (54:06):
The police are just see argue no, no, no. I
made a point was ok, I'll go and change the
Prime Minister's car to my name straight away, a little crime.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
But it took us.

Speaker 23 (54:20):
It took us six years. It took us all over
COVID for the actually and I pc a complaint for
them to admit. Yeah, I was right that this is
this is a fift process or money laundering.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Wow, it's a fascinating world.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Well, I hope one day you get those six cars
back mark. That sounds very annoying.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
That's a lot of cars to lose. Thank you very
much for your call. Mark fascinating. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you
have had your car stolen recently. Do you know who
stole it?

Speaker 4 (54:50):
There's a Chop Chop and Christ which was busted recently.
Parts exported to the Middle East, well known Christ tach businessman.
All right, we'll get the details of.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
That, Yeah, we certainly. Well it's twenty seven past two.
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Speaker 3 (56:24):
Much, Rayllan. It's twenty nine to three and we're talking
about stolen vehicles, whether it's mostly joy riders or it's
people taking those vehicles to chop shops to be dismantled
and sold. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call a nine two ninety two is
the text? So we said before someone text us through
that there's a recent bust in christ Church. Correct. Yep,
so the story this was in November last year. A

(56:47):
man who fled from Afghanistan and sought refugee status in
New Zealand went on to establish a chop shop which
received eight hundred thousand dollars worth of stolen cars. This
is Abdul Akhmardi. He was the director of a dismantling
business that was carrying out legitimate work, but it was
also dismantling and exporting stolen cars overseas behind this scene.
So he ended up being sent in four three years

(57:10):
and three months in prison. So receive refugee status in
New Zealand. Correct, and then started running a chop shop.
Sounded like you started off legitimate and then started gone
in sixty seconds operation eight hundred thousand dollars worth of
stolen cars. Wow, that is a big operation.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
So you've offered this, this lovely opportunity as a refugee,
and then that's how you thank you the country that
has invited you in.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yeah that sucks. Yeah that ain't cool. Come on updull man.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
I've heard that they strip it down completely, then dump
the car body. Then they wait for the car body
to come up for an auction for abandoned car so
they can buy it back. Then put all the parts
back in it, and then you have a legal car.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
That's what I've heard. It's a lot of work. Wow.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Business owners, especially in the automotive industry, are one patch
short of being gang members. You meet more rat bags
in the industry and they have infiltrated vt n Z
as well, says the steps added some good and side knowledge.
Scott's how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 14 (58:12):
I'll too bad, guys himself.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah, good mate, good to chat. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 24 (58:17):
So in the media, I.

Speaker 14 (58:19):
Think it was earlier this week and I think it
was on John's show in the mornings here in chross Church.
They were talking about around different parts of crosses. At
the moment, there is lots of spear wheels being flogged
off the backs of like SUVs and utes.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 14 (58:37):
So people are coming up and unbolting the nuts that
are holding them on the backs of their cars, and
they're disappearing at night. And apparently it doesn't matter whether
there's cameras or security lights or whatever. These people are
just blogging the wheels and they're disappearing.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
And where are they selling them? Do you know, Scott.

Speaker 14 (58:58):
Apparently reading I think it might have even been the stuff,
But seeing or reading further or hearing further on, I
saw heard that apparently one guy went to a rickers
yard to find another similar sized, similar looking well you know,

(59:18):
room and tire for his own vehicle that he had
had it flogged off like three times in six months.
And yeah, he said there was a whole massive pile
of just random tires and alloy rims and steal rooms
and stuff stacked up from the wreckers yard.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
So it's, you know, in terms of not having any trace,
that seems like a fairly easy way to go about it.
Because you turn up to a car wreckers or whatever
with a spear tire, there's no indication where that tire
come from.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
They can't ask if I turned up, if someone turned
up and they were just holding it like a big
tire that you know you can be unbolted off the
back of a suv or whatever.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
I'd go, mate, where'd you get there? Would you get that?

Speaker 9 (01:00:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
But you do?

Speaker 14 (01:00:01):
You think of the cost of them though, too, Like
so I meg, So you go and put brand new
megs and tires on your car. And if you've got
enough space for our full sides fifth wheel as a
spear wheel, you're looking three, four or five thousand bucks worth,
so you know, a thousand dollars roughly depending on the
car per wheel, maybe more, maybe a couple of grand

(01:00:22):
depending on the tires. If you've got four whel drives.
And yeah, you know, you turn up with what looks
to be a brand new entire in a Ricka's yard
as you say you've got there's got to be questions asked,
but apparently there's not. They're just taking them, giving them
the cash of stealing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
It's got a weir or tear on it as a
main used probably, yeah, but it could not be more suspicious.

Speaker 14 (01:00:48):
Apparently it's not just off the bex of cars. Apparently
people are losing spear wheels from under their cars too,
if and the like. So the you you know, wind
down the chain and it drops the wheel down. So
and it's happening in the middle.

Speaker 8 (01:01:02):
Of the night.

Speaker 14 (01:01:02):
Doesn't say it might have been on stuff. But this
guy lost three wheels plus his car in the of
six months.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Is so frustrating. I'd be so angry. Yeah, so what
but what kind of security can you have to stop
those being stolen?

Speaker 14 (01:01:17):
I mean both park your car and the sheet or shut.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Your or whatever, I mean, electrify it. That doesn't even
some sort of lock's not going to work, right if
they take the bolts off that are a fixed to
the vehicle, then now do you how do you stop that?

Speaker 14 (01:01:33):
Yeah? But that's the point, Like, you know, those spear
tires they have maybe a locking or you know, a
paired lock through some of them, or a locking nuts
of some sort. But apparently, yeah, it's not working. They're
just managing to get them or breaking the stud in
just walking away the speed wheel.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah, so I reckon, if you, if I reckon that,
the cops need to go down to some of these
records yards and ask some serious questions about the paper
trail around he's been dropping off.

Speaker 14 (01:01:59):
All these Just think though many years ago it was
quite common for car yards to be losing four or
five tires off one vehicle, you know, middle of the night.
No cameras around way back twenty years ago, people will
go in and strip the legs off the car sitting
in the car yard, behcause they like.

Speaker 25 (01:02:15):
Both of them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Yeah, I mean there used to be that cliche in
the eighties where you know, you park up in the
wrong neighborhood and your car ends up on blocks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
All the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, Scott, fascinating. Thank you very much for giving us
a call. Well, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you are if you
do work in the auto dismantling business? What is it
actually like? How many questions do you ask? If someone
comes around with a with a spear wheel? Do you
ask many questions? Are you just say?

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Give you twenty bucks for it?

Speaker 9 (01:02:41):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
See you ladder? How naive am I?

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
I thought I thought this was a thing of the past,
but it seems like it's rampant.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
It is twenty three to three back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Say'd be it is twenty two three. So we're talking
about stolen vehicles and shop shops around New Zealand. How
big of a thing is that for professionals to seal
cars for them to be dismantled? Oha e one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? And
but for modern vehicles? How easy is it to steal
modern vehicles? A couple of texts coming through on nineteen
nine two? How does this work? Guys?

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
My son got up to go to work and went
out to the street to where his car was parked.
He thought it was strange his car was running and
his key wouldn't work. Turned out the thieves had stolen
his car and left an identical stolen car in its place.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Cheers Brent. Well, we'd there have a lot of faffing
about for the thiefs.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
So what's the advantage in that? Is it just muddying
the waters on the because you've just stolen a card
install another car.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
It's like messive trolling, doesn't it? Can someone explain that
one to Jamie? You work in the auto dismantling business? Yeah, guys,
go yeah, good, good to chat with you.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
Yeah, So I've got a couple.

Speaker 9 (01:03:55):
Of questions that you guys got le's probably know the
answer too. Yeah, I'm doing this about twenty five years.
But yeah, basically we've what I've seen the easiest way
to decide whether or not your vehicle's just going for
a joy rider, not as if it turns up somewhere,
And a lot of the time they haven't been, they've
been going missing, which is you know, the police have

(01:04:18):
alluded to the overseas dismounts that a couple of the
callers have said that basically, you've got a vehicle and
the crooks know who's taken them, and they get chopped
up and then they get around in the back of
a shipping container that unless they've got surveillance on you

(01:04:39):
just never see it again.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
So yeah, right, And so you're an auto dismantler. Do
you ever get checked?

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Did the police ever come and have a word to
you and see where where things are going and where
things are coming from?

Speaker 26 (01:04:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:04:54):
Right, So, to be honest, I started this, Bobby about
two thousand and six, so I don't know how many
years that as I've seen probably the police twice, right
that's coming here, But I do think that they well,
you know, they probably don't have the resources to be
sorting that out. Like I think they probably know which

(01:05:16):
ones are a little bit a little bit dodgy, but
we Yeah, I think it was probably about a year ago.
There were so many cars that were going that, like
you're hearing it on social media and even in our
street in one of the top of one of the hills,
it was just like a car near every second day

(01:05:37):
that was getting dumped up there.

Speaker 8 (01:05:39):
But uh, and then that when that.

Speaker 9 (01:05:42):
Guy down south got caught, I think he was tied
up with one of the guys that was in the
upper art that we're doing the chopping them up and
putting them in the back of the containers, and they
all kind of stopped.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Yeah right, There's a bunch of people texting through on that,
so they were shrob be your two and fifty cars
stolen over six months, So I mean, that's that's a
huge amount of all the cars that are being stolen
are just by Now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
When you shut one operation down, you realize that most
crime is committed by a very few people. Hey, Jamie,
so what what what you know raises your suspicion when
when someone comes in to your business.

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
You generally know you generally know them. And and that's
why I think there must be crowd there because there's
there's cadilet converters as the bed is quite a bad.
When I remember I was listening to the guy saying
people were stealing Delliwry wheels the cadilect converters.

Speaker 6 (01:06:34):
If they've got an.

Speaker 9 (01:06:35):
Outlet, they basically they've got a tool and they were
doing it in supermarkets and that and their tool takes
a couple of seconds to kind of get the CADI
off and the cadlect converting to get three four hundred
dollars for the certain ones like the Prius one goes
through to used to catch about two grands. They were
having an outlet that also the guy got caught and

(01:06:57):
that kind of got.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
Stopped for a while.

Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
This is just Welling took kind of alluding to here.

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
But people coming in you kind of know if that dodgy,
you look at the vehicle, you know they want to
they want a thousand dollars for a teen thousand dollars vehicle,
and you look at it and then you just when
you know your couple of your due diligence chicks where
you know normally, yeah, is something ripped off that's supposed

(01:07:25):
to be a vehicle idea or you know, yeah, it's
pretty much the red flags of what they look like
and then the price and then yeah kind of go
you walk down the track from there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
And so if that's a situation someone's come in, what
do you do?

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
You just go nah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Or do you go nah? All the costs?

Speaker 9 (01:07:44):
Basically, the cops don't really do anything. Yeah right, I
mean I used to a while ago because I had
a couple of friends. I just played cricket with it
in the police. I was like, hey, mate, this is happening.
Just got the guy's name, you know, quick through. But
they don't chase that they don't really have. But they
i mean, the crops are now they nowadays they're offering

(01:08:06):
running gear out of you know, twenty twenty highluxes and
stuff which will never be traced. But you just know
it so and you know that it's not you know,
it's they're offering a thousand bucks for some gear that's
worth ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Sorry, sorry mister, that we'd Jamie Will, wasn't it?

Speaker 9 (01:08:22):
Sorry, like running gear, So basically that they would have
taken out the motor and the gearbox and stuff themselves,
and you know that it's never you know, the police coming,
They're never going to find it. You know, you're never
get in trouble. But for me, it just it alludes
to the fact that someone's still stealing them and they're
getting an out you know, an outlet to be able

(01:08:43):
to sell those.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
But so I just yeah, well, good on you, Jamie,
thanks for calling. Yeah, fascinating. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two ninety
two is the text? So this, this is the text
I was alluding to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Hey, guys, Wreckers and Art recently busted buying stolen cars
from throughout the Hut Valley. They attributed two hundred and
fifty stolen cars over six months that were processed through
the wrecker's yard. One thief was happy with the payment
he received. I wasn't happy with the payment he received,
so he dubbed them into the police.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
She's done the thieves dobbing them to the police because
they didn't give him a good price. No honor among
the This is an interesting one. Giddy, guys, my wheels
were on Facebook marketplace. Dude, canceled thirty minutes before coming
to get them, so he had my address. He came
back and stole them. The next day I caught him
on video and witnesses, but he still denied it. Never
used marketplace, go trade me? Now, Warren, how are you?

Speaker 25 (01:09:34):
You know?

Speaker 27 (01:09:34):
Two bad things?

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
So were you good? What happened to you?

Speaker 27 (01:09:37):
My experiences from a few years ago twenty fourteen had
him list in thirty three GDR six been out for
a meal before partner stopped them to soon mark it
out northward. I went in to get a couple of things.
The next thing she came into the supermake and I said,
she must have said she wanted something. She said, oh,

(01:09:58):
they've taken it. They've taken your car?

Speaker 25 (01:10:00):
What?

Speaker 27 (01:10:00):
And so fairly some guy jumped in there with a
bandanna or on, told her to get out and not
so many quote words. They had to do it a
couple of times. She saw it was a joke to
start with, and then she got out and they drove.

Speaker 18 (01:10:11):
Off with it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Sh wow, and that was a Christians did you say?

Speaker 12 (01:10:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:10:16):
The last that was seen was driving down Q two
Drive at high speeds, weaving in and out of traffic
and being very erratic. Wow, into a chop shop or
whether it was put into a container. I've heard nothing
since we were interviewed by the police for about two
or three years. In view by insurance almost you almost
felt like the criminal and that you did nothing wrong.

(01:10:36):
But you know, it's just the way it goes, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
But what part of North.

Speaker 27 (01:10:41):
Northward yet?

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Just in the mall there?

Speaker 27 (01:10:44):
Yeah, just outside the count what was the Countdown supermarket
at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
It's not exactly a dodgy area, no, no, But when
I pulled up, I could.

Speaker 27 (01:10:53):
Hear an RAX sevenoid thing there, one of the early
RAX sevens, so I knew it was there. And apparently
that left at the same time with a sleika.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
So you've got to be a hard core criminal to
be car checking cars.

Speaker 27 (01:11:08):
Don't know whether they the fund didn't know they had
weapons on them or what they had. And I mean
she's still scared up. Yeah, four years later. She doesn't
want to be left in the car alone. And I
mean I left the keys in it because I didn't
you know, she was listening to the radio. Didn't expect
to living to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Well, when you parked up, you don't expect to have
to lock your doors, you know, for in case there's
a carjacker who's on you up. It just doesn't you know,
shouldn't happen in New Zealand anyway.

Speaker 27 (01:11:32):
You don't expect to have to lock your doors when
the sun left sitting in it. No, yeah, yeah, I live.
I wouldn't leave it unlocked and no one own it.

Speaker 23 (01:11:38):
You know.

Speaker 27 (01:11:39):
That was stupid, But that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Sorry, that happened to you, you guys, Warren. But I
thank you for calling. Yeah, thank you very much. Oh
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call if you want to send a text? Nine two
nine two.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
I had a vespa stole in two weeks go sis
the text. I reported it the next day online to police.
They closed the case twenty four hours later and said,
after looking at all the available evidence, we have not
been able to find out who is responsible and we
currently have no further lines of inquiry. Without any new
information or evidence, your case will be closed pending further
in from coming to hand. Good for the STATS to

(01:12:11):
close the case so quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Wow, I think that is a common line when it
comes to thief's that blue It does plow right back
very shortly. It is eleven to three, the issues that
affect you and a.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Bit of fun along the way. Mad Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons News talksb.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
News Talks, it is eight minutes to three. Get a Catherine.

Speaker 25 (01:12:35):
Hey there, it's wonderful to talk to you, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Nice to chat with you.

Speaker 25 (01:12:42):
I'm calling from Sunny Dinesian and I just have a
story about my daughter daughter's mes the DeMeo. Of course,
she her partner was away at the time and she
got a random phone call part way through the night
she's been She was at home, power was parked outside
and she got this random phone call that woke her

(01:13:04):
up and she thought, I don't know the number, went
back to sleep, and then sort of not long after midnight,
she got a knock on the door and she was upset,
wondering whether she should answer it, but she did and
it was the police, and the police were there to
tell her that her car was now into Maroo.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Wow wow.

Speaker 25 (01:13:28):
And so there was no damage done towards it all
apart from the ignition and you know, a window to
gain access, and so from there they managed they brought
it back down to the Meadin and they tested it
all for fingerprints and what have you. She's never heard
whether that went anywhere, but it just seems as if

(01:13:51):
it was a joy ride type situation up to Timuru
for some reason. And now every night she puts her
steering wheel.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Lock on chinky buggers. It just sounds like they needed
a ride to Timaru. They stole your daughter's car and
then what they just parked it somewhere in tim Morowl
and was found by the cops.

Speaker 8 (01:14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:14:12):
Well it was found by the cops because somebody else's car.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Was being stolen cheapers.

Speaker 25 (01:14:18):
Wow, So I mean that had no it was running
at low on Kill, so I guess you know, they
had their joy ride so it didn't want to pay
for petrol. So perhaps they proceed round looking for another
one to take and bingo y losers.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Well, I'm glad your daughter got your car back, even
if there was some damage to the ignition.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Yeah, that's the mess. Demio is targeted, isn't it certainly is. Yeah,
eighty so number to call get a tom Yeah, yea.

Speaker 23 (01:14:45):
Guys, Hayler.

Speaker 20 (01:14:46):
I had a story about two years ago. We had
a trailer at the front of our house. Got stolen,
and I've heard a few mates that haven't with cars
as well. A lot of it actually ends up on
Facebook marketplace eye.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
The actual cars or the parts, yeah, or parts for them.

Speaker 20 (01:15:02):
So I had a mate that had a miss and
Safari stolen and that went up to south Head and
he found on marketplace like snorkels and things like that.
And yeah, our trailer was stolen in Auckland and two
weeks later we've seen it and rode a Rue listed
on marketplace. So we called the police and it turns
out that they actually have been doing that a lot

(01:15:23):
like it was a big sort of stolen car thing
going on in rode a Roo marketplace and parts right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
And what did the police say when you rang though
and said we've we've found our stolen trailer on the
Facebook marketplace.

Speaker 20 (01:15:36):
Oh, they said there's not much they can do. I
think they went round, but we actually got a call
like a a few months later saying that they've gone
around and turns out they found all sorts of stuff,
you know, more car parts, scuba diving gear, anything any
that much stolen stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Dirty dirty buggers. I mean that sucks. Facebook marketplace. Look,
some people love it, but it is a hot bed.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
Of I had someone knock on the door the other
day and say at my house, say I'm here for
the couch and I was like, what couch? And I
like a well couch on Facebook, Facebook marketplace. So I
can't work out how that helps. Giving the wrong number
because they haven't paid, so they're coming around to look
at it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Sure, and they just put on the wrong number like
it's the same street.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
No, no, no, So I can't work it out. It works,
you know, they were very clear. They showed me the
text from the person. So I was wondering what kind
of scam they were trying to run there, because no
one's going to pay until they've seen the couch.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
Anyway, that's a whole another issue. So I thought car
theft and shop shops and car conversions were all a
thing of a past.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
It turns out it's going strong, which sucks. Shows what
I know. So look after your car's people. There are
a bunch of ourselves about stealing them. Still. Yeah, very well,
put mate, very well put, And thank you to everybody
who called antext on that conversation. Fascinating right coming up
after three o'clock, is it ever okay to tell off

(01:17:00):
someone else's child? This is after an incident the who
Are Pie Tavern. We'll tell you more about that very shortly,
but I want to hear from you one hundred eighty
ten eighty if there's a child misbehaving, are you okay
as a stranger to stand up and tell that kid off?

Speaker 13 (01:17:15):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty nineteen ninety two is
the text number. News, Sport and Weather on its way
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Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Talk said the very good afternoon to you. Welcome back
into the show. It is six past three. So is
it ever okay to tell off someone else's children? This
is after a story about an auckleman he raised concerns
at a license renewal hearing the who Are Pie Tevan
after a three year old grandson was assaulted by what
he sees with a drunk patron during an incident while

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the family was dining. In twenty twenty four so CCTV
footage of the incident shows a patron standing two tables over,
had walked to their group and smacked his grandson's bottom.
He said, He then said the patron, who then picked
up a spoon the child had dropped on the floor
before walking back to his table, turned around and said,
control your child. So how old was the gentleman that

(01:18:38):
smacked the child on the bottom? Doesn't say the rough age,
just says while the claim is that he was heavily intoxicated,
but it doesn't give an age on how old that
person was. But the three year old and when he
says that he picked up the spoon, there were allegations
that the child was behaving badly and throwing cutlery around.
But to go up and smack the boy on the

(01:18:59):
bottom and then turn around and say control your kids.
I mean the smacking of the bottom maybe too far
for a lot of people, but just saying, hey, So.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
As the the kid throwing around cutlery disputed, it is disputed, yes,
so they said. So they say that the kid isn't
throwing around curtally, And why do the parents want done?

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Well, the parents want some more. There's some stronger management
protection for patrons when they visit this particular pub. So
they had they had to go at this particular pub.
They said, staff wasn't there. It's not the pub's fault.
No exactly, they said it. What's it going to do
with the pub? One hundred percent?

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
Yeah, I'm now starting to question there. I'm starting to
question them. Them looking for other people to blame. So
it's probably a bit far in twenty twenty six to
go and smack cat on the bottom. Back in the day,
it was wasn't no, no, It certainly happened a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:19:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
I think if you if you were staying around at
a friend's house in the in the eighties and early
nineties and you misbehaved, you'd get a whacked.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Happened to me a lot. Yeah, yep. If I was
staying at a MAT's house and we got up to
no good, he would get the first wooden spoon, and
I'd certainly get the secrets. And it wouldn't be the
parent that whacked you that would be in trouble when
that was found out. It would be you. Yep, what
did you do to get a whack? We were throwing stones,
throwing stones at the roof and she wasn't happy with us.
But yeah, I one hundred eighty ten eighties. So is

(01:20:19):
it ever okay to tell off someone else's children in
public or whether though you know them loosely? I think
there's a fairer argument to say, if you've got friends
around and they got kids, and the kids are causing
a bit of problem, a few problems, and the parents
aren't saying anything, I've got no problem to actually go
directly to the childre and say, hey, can't do that here. Yeah,

(01:20:39):
absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
Yeah, I mean there's probably people out there that think
it's okay to give them a little smack. Yeah, it's
probably probably, I mean, it'll be insane people from the seventies, eighties, sixties, seventies, eighties,
and early nineties who heard that this was even a question,
they'd be like, well, of course, if a kid's misbehaving,
you give them smack.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Yeah, that's a madman.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
In the TV show Madmen, I think it was in
one of the first episodes, there's a kid that's running
down the hallway and knock something over, and the person
visiting the house gives them give them a good smack,
and everyone's okay.

Speaker 20 (01:21:12):
With it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Yeah, bend over, boy, But what do you say? I
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty Is that number called
nine two ninety two is the text? Is it okay
to tell off someone else's child if you're in public
and that child is misbehaving? And as apparent, how would
you respond to someone telling your kid to behave.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
This TEXTA says listen, you touch my child, expect to
be touched back Kim.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Some people might like that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
So so if you smack has Kim's child's bottom, then
he'll smack your bottom.

Speaker 19 (01:21:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Is it a knife for the type of situation? Sounds
like I'll put you over his knee. Keep those texs
covin through nine two nine two. It is ten past three.
Bag For surely news talks it'd be thirteen past three.
So where's the line if you are in a position
that you need to tell off someone else's child? I
wait one hundred eighty ten eighties number to call.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Hi, guys, if someone hit my child at any money manner,
I would smack them back in self defense of my child. Look, yeah,
I think everyone would agree that smacking the child is
too far.

Speaker 6 (01:22:07):
But what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
A limit?

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
Yelling at the child if they're misbehaving, restraining a child,
if it's going to damage itself, restraining a child, if
it's beating up another kid or doing something, if it's
restraining a child, if it's having cuty around and there's
a chance that it's going to injure someone else out,
how far can you go with someone else's kid or to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Grab them by the arm to try and steer them
away from the bad behavior that they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
How about some better discipline from the grandfather. I would
do exactly the same things like this don't happen in
a moment. The kid had clearly been misbehaving for some time.
Smacking is fine, and that's what's working with our society.
Sue Bradford is to blame for all of it. So
Alex Reckons give.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Them, we tap, given, we tap on the bump, smack away, Okay,
good a. How are you?

Speaker 28 (01:22:53):
Oh not too bad man? I love the topic.

Speaker 29 (01:22:56):
I think.

Speaker 28 (01:22:58):
I think the first thing that comes to mind is
we need to stop wrapping our kids in cotton wool.
You didn't see the parents of the seventy eighties getting
offended as someone told their kids off or gave them
a whack around the backside. It was just like you
said before, the question would be asked to you, what

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did you do in order to, you know, earn yourself
a whack.

Speaker 9 (01:23:23):
Across the backside.

Speaker 28 (01:23:24):
So, but nowadays it's just everything he's wrapped in coddle.

Speaker 25 (01:23:28):
Don't do this, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
And we knew.

Speaker 28 (01:23:31):
I mean I came up in a at a time
when I never got a whack from my father, but
his voice was good enough to tell me if I
was to beep him off any further, yeah, I was gonna.
I knew what the consequences were. So we got brought

(01:23:55):
up in in a situation while that. You know, if
I was out and about with my parents and I
was misbehaving, it would just take one of my parents
to just look at me and give me the eye.
And I knew that was my call to sit down.
So yeah, I as far as intervening with the kids,
I would. I would say, you know, there's there's a

(01:24:15):
fine line. Yes I get that, but yeah I would.
I would definitely step into the into the middle of
a of a fight. I wouldn't physically get involved, but
I would, you know, try and have myself as a
wall in between those two and only put my hand
out on a palm if they were going to get

(01:24:38):
close to each other again, So you create that distance,
but you're not physically altercating.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
With them, right. Would you yell at a kid? Jay,
yell at a kid that you didn't know.

Speaker 28 (01:24:51):
I've done it multiple times and the parents, and to
be very honest there, the parents were like, yeah, okay, yeah, fine, fair.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Cool, okay, interesting, good on you, Jay, Thank you very much.
Do you agree with Jay?

Speaker 9 (01:25:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is there a problem
with younger kids out there? They didn't used to exist
in the seventies and eighties because people were a bit
more strict.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
Aaron says, basically, that's a sault on a child. If
someone walked up to you and smacked you at the
something part, it doesn't matter how lightly.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
It's assault. So that's a sault on the child. That's
the law.

Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
Partially, the pubs to blame because they are operating under
a liquor license, which means they're meant to keep an
eye on patrons and the patrons are actually acting.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Out of line.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
That is partially or maybe even more partially responsibily of
that license. Premises, So the two things could happen. That
the person could be arrested for assault on a child
and also the pub could have its license revoked for
a day or be quietly seriously fine. I always think
that's weird that that people celebrate that pubs are blamed
for the behavior of people in the pub.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
You know, who knows how quickly that blew up exactly.
You know, someone could be.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Completely normal and then they go and do something strange
like smacking a little kid. The idea that you immediately
jumped to blame the pub, it's very strange to me.
I mean, there's a lot of people in the pub,
you know, they're doing their best. Yeah, it's the individual
who's who's you know, taken the action that's to be blamed.

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Well, to take a further like this particular grandfather and
try and get their liquor license for folks seems a
bit full on. But what do you say, one hundred
and eighty ten eightyes number to call you a murray?

Speaker 26 (01:26:28):
Oh good back, how's it going good?

Speaker 7 (01:26:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:26:32):
Yeah, I don't know about getting their license revokes, like
you say, I think it's down to the individual. He's
made a decision he's obviously had enough.

Speaker 6 (01:26:40):
I don't.

Speaker 26 (01:26:40):
I don't think this is a nice avidence. And I
think he's seen this happen before, and because he's a granddad,
he's gone ahead and done it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Do you know what, we have the very person who's
We've got someone that's alleging to be the very person
that that was the smacker of the child's.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
But the alleged bum slapper. Yeah, is going to be interesting.
You're going any questions for Murray when we get to him?

Speaker 26 (01:27:05):
Have I got any questions?

Speaker 17 (01:27:07):
No?

Speaker 26 (01:27:08):
I mean, it's kind of like that Pink Whats song,
isn't it? Momentary laps of reason?

Speaker 6 (01:27:11):
You kind of.

Speaker 26 (01:27:15):
You kind of you know, sometimes you've had it. Like
I said, I think he's seen this a lot with
our kids, And like I had to, I worked a
lot as a as a teacherator, and I worked at
a high school where teachers always.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
Stood back and watched fights.

Speaker 26 (01:27:30):
But I couldn't do it letting kids kind of bitter
each other and just say, oh no, we can't actually intervene,
because if we intervene and hurt the kids, then it's
actually going to come back on us. I just felt
like that's just such a soft way to look at it. Yeah,
letting people go in each other in front of a
whole lot of other kids is not good spen kids.

(01:27:52):
I think it was part of what where we grew up.
I never actually got smacked or kicked, but I certainly
got told off if I was out of line. And
I think that's a few comments that your pool kids
when they are up, when they're out of line, and
sometimes it's take somebody else rather than the parents to
tell that child off for them to actually realize what

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they're doing is wrong. Sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Yeah, I mean I think that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
I think you're allowed to tell someone else that's cut off.
I mean, I don't think I mean in twenty twenty
six you can't smack them. No, but if a kids
throwing around cutlery, then you can go, you little, you
stop that, You stop that exactly.

Speaker 26 (01:28:31):
It's the voice, and it's I mean for a lot
of people. Yeah, I just think it's a bit extreme
smacking because it's.

Speaker 9 (01:28:38):
Not your child.

Speaker 27 (01:28:39):
You don't have the right, you don't have the right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
It's very risky in terms of the law and how
a parent's going to involve. Yeah, I mean touching somebody
else's child. Yeah, good luck to you. Hey, thanks for
you call. Murray. Yeah, good thoughts, thank you very much. Right,
coming up very shortly, we will have a chat to
the alleged abum slapper in that particular pub. Who are pie?
So that is coming up? Are you only questions for

(01:29:04):
this particular individual? Nineteen ninety two? Yeah, this is going
to be good.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Yeah, We'll will put any of your questions to the
alleged butts smacker.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
It is twenty past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news talk z'b afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
It is twenty three pass three. So is it ever
okay to tell off a child in public that you
don't know, or even give them a bit of a
slap on the bum if they're misbehavior? Now on one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Nine two ninety two is the text we mentioned before.
We've had a phone call from the gentleman in question
who was the alleged bum slapper and his name is Morris.

(01:29:47):
He's on the phone. Get a Morris YETO, boys, how
are we not too bad? So talk us through the incident.
From your perspective, Morris, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
The first thing is I was not drunk. I'd only
been there for twenty five minutes. I'd gotten into there.
Who are by? They have races here on and all
the rest of it. It's a family bar and it's
full of kids, and I went in too watch them
eight a horse racing. There was about eight or nine
of us and was racing chatted, which is a big
thing to have a horse over there racing. This particular
child had been there for a wee while the mom

(01:30:18):
and dad were out watching the band, and the kid
was running around in the restaurant area out of control,
and there was a fifteen year old climber look after
him dragging around. After about twenty five thirty minutes as
kild screaming and talking, screaming and running around in the
bar's full He then started throwing thing because he was
ready to go home. He had nappy's on, so he
would have been sort of three or four. The mother

(01:30:41):
was dragging around, he'd run off again screaming, and then
what had happened? He started throwing stuff? So what I did?
I went up there and she was dragging him and
I flicked him and not a slap, not a belt,
just a little flick to get his attention, which I
got wave my finger and as that guy said, I've
had enough of this. You don't sit out in that
chair or by kriking, and that was the tone of

(01:31:03):
the voice. I then picked up all his toys and
gave them back and said, behave sat down nothing. I
walked back to the table. She got up and side
of screaming at the top of the b is that
marries assaulted my child? Did everyone see it? And then
the charade started, and absolutely started, and it was just ridiculous.

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Then the fire the grandfather got up to reconsized him
staying cold so well he tried to stop all the
locals having a beer.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
And the one one one.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
This is how pathetic it was that our grandson's being assaulted. Previously,
he was so busy eating his food. They didn't pay
the kid any attention. And it's not the kid's fault.
And I should not have slapped that little kid on
the bum or flicked them or touched it or done anything.
I should to let him alone. And then what would
have happened if he'd done something and had another kid?

(01:31:53):
Then he was held to pay. And these parents paid
no attention to a three or four year old little boy.
And that's the saddest thing. And instead of actually owning
and accepting responsibility, and that was my kid, and this
is the worst thing. I go to the police station
and please look, which I do, and the officer of
there was so good, and he said, I don't even

(01:32:14):
want to do anything, but I've got to tell you
off for being a naughty boy. He said, you're not
allowed to put your thingers on anyone. And he said, now,
please don't do it again, which I got a lead
of saying that, which I'll obviously won't do that again
my lesson. And he said, but I'll tell you that's
off the record, he said, and that was my child.
I would have been so embarrassed and I would have
taken them home and that's all he said, right, And

(01:32:35):
that's where it all ended. And what's really really sad
as a lady at the pub, she's a school teacher.
She's actually a hell of a good person in the community.
And I'm talking like a great support of the local community,
sponsors all sorts of things, does every single thing. And
the only thing she's had now is just this bad
publicity which has nothing to do with her. It should
all be on me every anything.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
So just just to go back a step, Morris, So
when you say you said you fleck the kid to
get the kid's attention, is that right?

Speaker 29 (01:33:02):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
And had you had you tried to talk to the
parents and with the grandparent or the parents before.

Speaker 6 (01:33:06):
Then, well the parents, you know, when you explain to
them they said, oy, sort the shit out. They just
tear it on as if nothing happened. And that's the
saddest thing about it. That's when this had been going
on about an hour and three quarter two hours, and
heaps the people that tried to sort of say hey,
sort you get out, and they just ignored it as
that's our right. And I'm not knocking well, I'm not

(01:33:28):
saying that what I did is fear. But what I'm
saying that child was out of control and they had
there was a young girl there trying to look after
it and marketing grandad, we're too busy having your dinner,
they're looking after your child. And that's the saddest thing
because you know, sometimes in life and what I did
is not and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else
to do it, honestly, because since this come out, my

(01:33:51):
name's become public. He's now told him until he found
out my name of the day when they had to
hearing I've had all this tom barketing from all these
idiots saying I'm an animal abuser, robs that of everything,
and and and and so. But we've got I think
in life you have to you know, if you go
to a restare, you're sitting there and my kid's being
really really naughty, you have a right to eat peace.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
So so what exactly, just to describe again, Morris, what
exactly was the kid doing to to to disrupt things?

Speaker 6 (01:34:23):
Running around the bars, screaming at the top of his voice,
and he started throwing things at people because he wanted
to go home.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
And what kind of stuff was throwing.

Speaker 6 (01:34:31):
He threw a Sultan and pepper shakery, threw a couple
of knives. They they've got to want to cut to
mark place. He grabbed that, started throwing stuff and screaming
at the top of his woods, and.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
He threw through a salt and pepper shaker, the sting
anyone order to.

Speaker 6 (01:34:47):
Come up before I got a because they come across
I had our table, and then he started throwing his toys.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
Right wow, And so what was the deal with the spoon?
So there was a whole bunch of cutleryes scattered around
this child, and you picked some of it up.

Speaker 6 (01:34:59):
I picked everything up, and I gave him back all
his toys and waved my finger around and told him
to sit down on that seat.

Speaker 19 (01:35:06):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:35:06):
He did not move into They left. It just set
me up, might give me good.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
And like most pubs have CCTV footage, Morris so does
does the CCTV has that been has that been wheeled out?
Does that back up what you say?

Speaker 6 (01:35:21):
Oh? Yes it does. And if you read what the
lookal licensing thing they said, the police only released at
the minute that I hit them. They said, there's nothing
in it. And if you look at the whole things,
I'm seeing the whole thing, because you know, obviously the
police don't the whole thing. What you see as the
alleged victim, the child's grandfather being abused, to other patrons,

(01:35:41):
trying to stop people getting a drink at the bar,
screaming at everyone and dialing one one one on all
this nonsense. And the police obviously worked too busy for this,
and then about a week later, I'm going a phone
call saying can you come down and explain what happened?
And I explained what happened and they said oh. Then
a week after that they rotally are saying, hey, don't
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
So what's the status of the case down?

Speaker 6 (01:36:04):
Well, nothing, nothing to me. And I believe the hotel
I was got there don't get their loqual license, according
to what I read. And that's and this person still
he's just being a victim. But this is my advice,
is that if your kids are out of control in
a bar, in a restaurant, even at mcdond's, look half
of them criche. It's not hard.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
So, maris a couple of allegations to throw at you
that I'm reading in this article. So the first allegation
was it open palm, open palm, slap It was back
in flat, all right. In the second allegation, you when
you say a little fleck, a little flick with a
finger or just a little two fingers to the bar,
to the side of the bar, to the bum, I
just no, no, no.

Speaker 6 (01:36:44):
He had Napple's on lot on the back of the bum,
so he didn't feel a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
He's got a bit of padding there.

Speaker 6 (01:36:48):
Yeah, yeah, to get his attention. That wasn't a belt.
It was to get his attention, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
And second allegation is that this particular individual last name,
sure he said, I quote, he absolutely wreaked of alcohol.

Speaker 6 (01:37:02):
Well, you see, there is an absolute lie, because what
the video show. I was there for twenty minutes and
I'd had I've only had half for my pipe before
I was up. Believe, because the lady owns the play
said I don't want this to escalate, do you might
read them? Said no, not, of course, And I did
the right thing. And so once again he's the video
shows it all, and that was supported by their statements

(01:37:24):
and supported and the hearing. I wasn't drunk. It only
just turned up, and we'd only need to watch a
horse race, And because I live an hour and twenty away,
I wouldn't have any more than one vier anyway, because
I'm gonna done that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Did you spill some of it down your top? Morris?

Speaker 22 (01:37:38):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:37:38):
No, no, I don't waste it. You know how expected
it is. You don't want to waste that?

Speaker 9 (01:37:44):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Are you still welcome at the Tevin Morris?

Speaker 6 (01:37:48):
Well, I didn't go back for a wee while because
I was a little bit embarrassed. But I've lobbed me
back a few times since and there was no issues.
And I apologize to the owners to it, to Gaal
because she's a hell of a nice person, and I
apologize to there's a couple of guys who couldn't get served,
and you know, locals in or arrest of it because
what I did was not right. But at the same time,

(01:38:09):
the child's not the victim here. The child is the victim.
That the grandparents and the mother and that they should
look after their kids. And that's what I tay to
people when you go out to a bar, look after
the kids and don't run riot. And since within a
week she put rules up around the whole thing. But
you know, for twenty years, I've been out of that
place for ten or eleven years, and I've never ever

(01:38:29):
seen any incidence with children. This is the first time
I've ever seen someone with their kids out of control,
and I've been going there for ten years prior, which
is you know, it's very very sad.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
All right, Well, that's that's Morris's side of the story. Yep,
you've stated your case. Well, so we try and get
this grandfather on. He got contact number from me and Morris.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Morris says he's got the CCTV footage to back up
his side of the story because everything's filmed in the
bar now it is, so yeah, what do you think
one hundred and eighty ten eighty Thank you for calling Marris.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Yeah, I got on your Marris, Thank you very much.
So do you buy what Morris is saying? And was
he in the right he said where he admitted he
was wrong to flick the But what do you say
to what he did in that circumstance.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
You know, if what Morris is saying is true, it's
very different from you know, the way it is sort
of described as like he grabbed him, put the kit
over his lap and gave him a whack. Yeah, in
a disciplinary fashion, Morris is saying it was just a
little fleck, saying, hey, you stopped throwing salt shakers around.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Yeah, what are you doing? What do you say, oh,
one hundred and eighty ten Eightyes, that number called it
is twenty seven to four And that wasn't the mad
butcher that was Morris does sound a lot of It
does sound a lot like the mad butcher. He certainly
does headlines with Raylene coming up. He's the mad drinker.

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Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
Thank you very much, ray Lean, We've got another witness here.
M hm Hi, my dad told me about the hoopaie
thing today. I rang to say it was on zb
at three. Dad told me it was Morris. Dad's sitting
at the same bar Lena watching races. Dad's vision events earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Is exactly as per Morris. So there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
So Dan Dan's dad is corroborating Morris's description of what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
So we've heard from the alleged bum slapper. Turns out
he's a bum flicker and then a corroborating witness. So
we got to I mean, if we can get a
hold of this grandfather.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
And there's an accusation that the complainers are regular complainers
on local social media complaining about the pub entrance in management.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Interesting, this is juicy, the place is good, the plot
is thickening. Yeah, Sam, welcome to the show. Gooday, how
are you going great? Thanks for calling your thoughts.

Speaker 19 (01:42:01):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:42:03):
You're calling the pub, you know, calling the put out.

Speaker 25 (01:42:05):
I think it's a bit harsh.

Speaker 22 (01:42:06):
You know, control your own kids, and you know there's
victims at this point. You know, if you let your
kid run around and throw things, you know, as Marus said,
and as the other patron in the pub you know said.

Speaker 23 (01:42:17):
They witness.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
I mean, well, you know, what do you expect?

Speaker 22 (01:42:20):
The kids need discipline and you know, without that, like,
you know, that's what they become. It's a bunch of
Labor Party voters having kids, and you know this is
what you get. You get a bunch of spineless, spineless parents,
you know, letting their kids go around and then they
accuse the part and they you know, they just start
throwing these accusations out.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
Sam but saying, by Morris's own admission, he shouldn't have
given them kid a little.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Whack on the bump.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
Yeah, given you're giving the wax too far, isn't it, Sam?
Just in terms of how much trouble even you can
bring on yourself by doing something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
I suppose so.

Speaker 8 (01:42:50):
But you know, the word whack and tap, you know it's.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Very different, are they.

Speaker 22 (01:42:57):
Yeah, well, you know it's it's not you know, they've
made it out like he's, you know, really given the
kid a whack and they grabbed him and smacked them.
But you know, in truth, he's you know, he he's
not helping I suppose he's not helping himself.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
Yeah, and he admit that, he meant that. Yeah, he
could have admit that.

Speaker 22 (01:43:13):
And you know, you seemed like a nice but you know,
I go into the into the tavern quite often. The
most patrons sitting on that barley and there, they're all
good blokes and they all mean well. But you know,
at some point you've got to look at your own parenting.
And you know, if you're living your three year old
run around throwing stuff at people, streaming off the top
of their lines, you know, at what point are you
going to discipline them?

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
And you know, if it's true that, if it's true
that the kid had thrown a salt and pepper shaker,
then again, and you know, apparently the c CDB footage
then that that kid's well out of control at that
point and not and it's not the kid's fault, it's yeah,
but I mean, you know that's just what we're hearing.

(01:43:53):
I don't know, I haven't seen the footage.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
We've heard the story.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
We've heard Morris's story, We've heard a collaborating story from
someone else whose dad was there. So that's that's the
only that's the only information we've got.

Speaker 22 (01:44:05):
Yeah, you know, and then call on the bar stuff.
I mean that that pubs a great person, your gales
and great owner. You know, nothing ever happens in that, nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Bad like that.

Speaker 22 (01:44:14):
So to call on them, you know, trying to get
their license revoked and stuff like that, I mean, it's
just just harsh, isn't it. Yea harsh you know, don't
don't call on the bars to do it themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
Well, I think the headline in some of these stories
that the one I'm looking at right now, pub license
supposed after child slapped by drinker. I mean most people
reading that line, would you know, underrupt images of someone
heavily drunk coming up and slapping the hell out of
some portrol is the head Yep, that's the headline. The
headline is reading pub license opposed after child slapped by drinker. Man,

(01:44:45):
that is that is a that is an inflammatory way
to describe the situation. Certainly is thanks so much for
you call Sam. Yeah, good on your Sam, Thank you
very much. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call get a shilly oh, Shelley, Shelley,
take good on Sam.

Speaker 29 (01:45:02):
I agree with absolutely if you think that last call,
I just had to say, as well as agreeing completely
with Morris, maybe okay, the tap, and let's let's put
that right. It was a tap. It wasn't a slap,
it wasn't an open hand, it was not a it
was not a snack. Even it was a tap. But yeah, okay,

(01:45:22):
we're all asking for trouble if we do something like that.
We get that his parents right, and he even admits that.
But first and foremost, like I want to say, good
on Morris. It speaks volumes to the person he was
to actually ring your show today. He's got absolutely nothing
to hide. He stands by everything that he said, and
the video footage clearly shows that that's that in itself

(01:45:42):
should put this all to bed, you know. I And
the next thing I want to talk about is parenting.
And this is where Sam really hit the mark, like, well,
no pun intended, these these you know, this is the
parent's fault, first and foremost, the parent of that poor
young toddler who was in that bar who was clearly

(01:46:03):
had had enough as tired. Whatever, it's not that kid's
fault that they that ended up happening to that child.
Where were the parents, you know? They that's not responsible parenting.
You can go out to the bar with your kid
if you want to and have a few drinks in that,
But as long as your kids are okay and are behaving, then.

Speaker 26 (01:46:25):
All as well.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
If it's true and the CCTV footage proves that they're
throwing the salt and piza throwing cutlery, I'd be mortified.
If I was a parent and my kids could have
done that, I'd I'd be apologizing and I'd be out
of there. I wouldn't be blaming the bar, I wouldn't
be blaming anyone. I would be I would be blaming
myself and getting the hell out of it.

Speaker 29 (01:46:48):
Hey, and even without the salt and peppersh throwing. You
know the fact that they were running around screaming. We
know kids run around the scream, don't we, But he
said this was.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Quite often bars in the studio.

Speaker 29 (01:47:01):
Going on for quite a while, and the parents needed
to know that the kid was running on screaming, especially
if there are other patrons in the bar, trying to
listen to a race, or just actually just trying not
to listen to each other.

Speaker 6 (01:47:11):
You know, this is this is.

Speaker 29 (01:47:13):
Quarantine gone wrong, and it happens a lot these days
in our society. We've got parents that are far too
soft on their kids. They want to be their kids friends,
they don't want to be the disciplinarian. And look what
it turns these poor kids into. You know, it's it's
never a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
But Morris and Sam, would you agree? Would you agree
with Shelley as Morris himself does and Sam did as well,
that that probably not a good idea to give the
kid a little flick or whatever it was.

Speaker 29 (01:47:42):
Well, no, I mean, hey, let's face it, it sorted
them out right. He sat there like a little dream boy.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
I think that was probably the more you sit down.
There's that voice that you can do kids in.

Speaker 29 (01:47:53):
The eyes and look yeah, and look what happened, and
look what happened, and and that's what the parents should
have been doing. That shouldn't have had to have taken
a stranger.

Speaker 7 (01:48:02):
To do that.

Speaker 29 (01:48:03):
And he didn't hurt the boy. But yeah, we all
know in this day and age, look eye bloody twenty
three years ago, gave my daughter a tap on the
hand when she was having a complete meltdown at Pack
and Safe.

Speaker 26 (01:48:14):
And I'm the mother, and this.

Speaker 29 (01:48:16):
Is when the whole smack band I'm smacking just came
in and she was beside herself, and I'm like, I'm
actually gonna have to do this. And I was frightened
about smacking my own daughter's hand because of what I
might get.

Speaker 26 (01:48:28):
Sent to bloody jail.

Speaker 6 (01:48:29):
But I did it.

Speaker 29 (01:48:30):
I did it, and you should have seen the looks
I got Pack and Safe, you know, twenty three hours
of checkouts that were all full, and my daughter's having
a mountdown, and I had a little baby newborn with me,
and I was about to just spent a long time
doing the grocery shop. And I was like, am I
going to have to just walk away because of my babies?

(01:48:50):
My little she was fond of, about two two and
a half, and she was getting really upset, and I
smacked gone back in the hand.

Speaker 26 (01:48:57):
Some people were some people were judged me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
You're lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:49:01):
The headline wasn't furious mother beats child and in supermarket
rage incident.

Speaker 29 (01:49:11):
But you know what I know, and I'm talking too much,
so that you go. But you know what, rewinding back
to those days that was twenty three years ago and
over time, I think this is just Scott worse. We're
still as scared to actually parent correctly.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Well, thank you so much for you call, Shelley. We've
got to go, but appreciate your thoughts. Great call. Do
you agree with Shelley I one hundred and eighty ten Eightyes,
that number to call it is quarter to.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
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Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
It is twelve to two four. So we're talking about
this incident in the Huppie teven after Morris, who called
an earlier, got into a bit of strife for giving
a child a flick after the child was misbehaving in
checking salt and pepper shakers. According to Morris text, here
you guys are painting a bad picture of the parents.
I know the parents and the grandparents and there's another

(01:50:02):
story here. Please don't ask me, as it's not my
place to say, but please get both sides before you
lay into them.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
When did we lay into them?

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
And we said, is that this is the story we've
received from this person and asked what people think about it.
We haven't laid into parents that I haven't seen a
single think about the parents.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
And we have got their side. That's where it all
started from. This is their words and this opposition to
this lovely pub that people obviously enjoy, and Gail was
the owner. There's been a lot of shout outs for Gail.
So this is their own words and the opposition to
this pub having a liquor license. The Sure family as
were called, and the grandfather's name is Blear Sure, so
we've just been quoting him. And then Morris disputed some

(01:50:40):
of these quotes that he absolutely wrecked of alcohol. Morris
said he only had one point.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
We've only we heard Maris's side of the story, and
we've read from the article and we've shared some people's opinions.
Very balanced, but do you go If the other side
wants to ring in and say what they say, then
they're more than welcome. This text has said, how would
you like it if I smashed you in a bar?
I would not like that at all, Teester, No, I
wouldn't like it at all. But if you flicked me
slightly on the bottom. Then let's talk.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
Yeah, I was throwing Sultan people, shakers around and cutlery
at people. Then I would say, fear cop I deserve
the smack and the face.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
Yes, But further to that text, we are just saying
what has been reported and what people have claimed.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
We don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
Yeah, I'd love to see the CCTV footage and then
and then I could have a more absolute idea of
what's happened. But we're talking about the wider issue as well.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
Florence. We've got about two minutes here, But what's your thoughts.

Speaker 24 (01:51:38):
Okay, I'll talk in general because we obviously maybe don't
have all the facts. Yeah, and I didn't get to
listen to everything. I was distracted. Yeah, but snacking other
people's children should be your second choice. I think you
should approach the parents first and shame them in public,

(01:51:58):
because they are the guilty party here, like Shelley and
Sam pointed out, So it's only a second choice after
you've seen parents, Florence.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
I'll probably take the smacking of the kids right out
of the menu of choices to do smacking. Yeah, yeah,
just talk to the.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
Parents, maybe maybe talk to the kid, but just for
your own, you know, legal standing, and just generally I
would refrain from smacking other people's kids.

Speaker 24 (01:52:28):
I'm totally against smacking your own or other people's kids.
Sorry I used the wrong word.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
No fine, I'm trying to talk fast.

Speaker 6 (01:52:36):
Yeah yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Yeah yeah, sorry Florence. We are in the and then
now I'm delaying you.

Speaker 6 (01:52:41):
No, no, no, all good.

Speaker 24 (01:52:43):
So I think going straight to the child should be
your second choice. That's only after the mom and dad
whoever the family members are tried, but they couldn't get
anywhere with the child. Then of course sometimes the child,
you know, don't listen to mom and dad, but they
will listen to a stranger.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Yeah, there is that voice. There's a voice that you
can use that kids will listen to. Ye used of
throws you stop. That does a lot. Yeah, Florence, thank
you very much. Well balanced dogument. It is nine minutes
to four. We will be back very shortly.

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Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
That'd be couple of texts coming through. Hey, guys, for
future reference, just raise your voice firmly without touching the child.
And growl a little bit under your breath. I find
it tends to settle them for a bit. Is they
don't know what to make of your crowning like a beer.
Can't get into trouble easer either, if you if you
haven't touched them, that's from Warzle. Yeah, you stop that,
You stop that. That's that's scary, mate. You're a team.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
No problem with parents or guardians giving their own tomadiki
a small smack. No way, ever, is it okay to
smack other people's tamadiki.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
I think that sums it up pretty well. Hi, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
I think the fact that the old guy had the
guts to ring up, and the parents who are obviously
aware of your story, because I imagine that person will
have had told them have not ring up, probably speaks volumes.
I support Morris one hundred percent. All right, Yeah, it's
been quite the discussion, certainly has. It was great to
get an eye witness.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
It was great to get the perperpetrator multiple eyewitnesses. Yeah, yeah,
all right, watch the space Sery Gird enjoyed that. I'd
love to see the CCTV footage. That sounds weird. Why
do I want to see CCTV footage of a kid
getting whacked too. Why can we get it off? Morris stuck? Yeah,
we are right all right.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
That brings us the end of the show. Thanks so
much for all your calls and texts over the last
four hours of scintillating radio. The Great and Powerful here
the Duples. Cy Ellen is up next, and she has
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They were always going to sign.

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But right now, Tyler, why am I playing the slightly
punishing nineteen ninety one song from Swedish pop duo.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Rock Sets, I love this side. This is a tune
Joy Rides. That's because we had a fascinating our discussion
about Cardiff and the amount of chop chop shops. Yeah,
but around the country apparently it's all on.

Speaker 4 (01:55:04):
Yeah, two hundred and fifty stolen lower Heart just by
one group of pe go.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
On in sixty seconds. Who would have thought? All right
until tomorrow afternoon. We'll be back live from midday. Give
me a taste of Kiwi from us. All right, then
you seem busy

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
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