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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
My old Man's a dustman. He wears our dustman's hat,
he wears all blimeyat trousers, and he lives in the
council flat. That's a spoiler for what happens at the
end of the show, and nearly happens. There was a
song my dad used to sing when he was taking
the bins out when I was a kid, and I
didn't know it was a real song.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
You thought your dad had made that song up.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, And I didn't really know what a dustman was
because because dust bins used to be something before rubbish bins,
when people used to have your rubbish buns at your
dust which was your all your ashes from your fire.
So obviously when he was a kid he hit that,
so HiT's My old man's a dustman. He wears our
dustman's hat, he wears called blimey trousers, and he lives
in the council flat. And used to crack me up.
(00:54):
And then I heard there's a song one day years later,
and I went, my dad didn't make that song. Dust
man Bnnie Donaghan, but that's the end of the show
that will come up. We also get into a heated discussion.
A woman called Sirah who didn't like me, rang up
and she had a point to make and I talked
over and made people angry and angry at her and
angry at me, and it was a great time.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
She got upset about sport, upset about skateboarders, upset about you.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah she did. But it was a great discussion. And
he was on safety and we talk about the Challenger,
the Space Shuttle. We talk about a bunch of different
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and Taylor Adams Afternoons.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
With the Volvo XC nighty on news Talk sev Well,
good eight to you, Welcome into the show. Seven past one, Maddie.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yesterday I was punishing everyone telling them about the TV
show and watching called the Terra Yep, which is it's
actually the reason the old TV show, but it's on
TVZ plus. I've only just discovered it and it's fantastic.
It's about boats in eighteen fifty stuck in the ice
and some crazy stuff that happens, the era of us
and the terror of the name of the Boats. Anyway,
I finished it last night. I've binged ten episodes in
(02:15):
about two days and the end does not disappoint.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh fantastic, So you.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Know, I thoroughly recommended that show. I turned to my
partner Tracy, and I said, that might be the best
television show I've ever watched.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Wow, and she said us high praise.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
She said, I hated it. It was very grim duck
and I see it. But the grimness is amazing in it,
but a rawness. It's so incredibly well acted and shot,
and the story is incredible, and you know there's elements
based on the true story and stuff in it. But yeah,
once again, two days in a row. I recommend the Terra.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And I think there is that season one. It's an anthology,
is that what you call it?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
There's yes, so it's an anthology series. Not each episode
isn't an anthology series like the Twilight Zone, but the
series it's the third series is coming out soon. There's
the second series is totally different than set in Japan.
Love it, but I'm refusing to watch that because I
don't want to watch anymore if it's not set with
these people and the suits.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
West Passage. Yeah, yeah, too good.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I mean I was so despoiled when I saw the
second episode wasn't stuck in the same round. But you know,
maybe I'll get over myself and watch up. But the
tear ladies and gentlemen I thoroughly recommend at TVNZ plus.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Beautiful onto the show today. Let's have a chat about statues.
They the good people of Kuro down in the South Island.
They have long wanted a statue for one of their best,
Richie McCaw and he is one of New Zealand's greatest,
but born in a.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Town of three ninety. When you say one of their best,
I mean Richie mccau's technically the bookest name out of Kudo.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well you say that, but we've already had texts from
people who were brought up in Kudo, and there's a
couple of quite outstanding citizens that came from Kudo, including
and I'm just reading this verbatim Presbyterian Minister of Kudo
Arnold Nordmeyer. His experience of working with families of workers
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on the y Tacky hydro electric project earned him wide
praise in the.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Early nineteen forties. Okay, you maximum respect to him was
very vative.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I should I should Apprecreid that it sounds like a
good I would like to.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Add to that wide praise. But Richie mccaught, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, I mean, did Arnold get a World Cup for
New Zealand?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But no, this is going to be a broken foot
twenty eleven World Cup final exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But does Richie mccaugh deserve a statue? I'm sure he'd
be quite proud if he got his statue. He isn't
asked for it himself. Let's make that perfectly clear. But
what how do we feel about statues in twenty two?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, I guess you got to ask yourself. In terms
of the town of as I say, three hundred and
ninety people, I mean, statue is something interesting for the town.
It's something people can come and look at. Statues have
a lot of meaning for some places. There's a great
pine tree statue that you can go and visit and look.
I was saying before to you, Tyler, I was saying,
I was saying, it's not even on the way anywhere, really,
(05:02):
but it is. It's on the alp to Ocean cycle trail,
and stop off and check out the state. It would
be pretty good, and.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I think it would pull some people in some times.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
But the question is who's worthy of a statue? Do
you have to be dead to get a statue? Michael
Jones has got a statue. He's not dead. I don't know.
I think I personally on four statues and celebrating great
New Zealanders.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Your pro statue.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm very pro statue.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, I think you know that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And how else do you you know? There's there's only
so many ways we can honor really great people. And
I think the statue is the best. And you've got
to get someone actually make it. You can't be three
three D printing it and then just covering it in
copper or whatever. You've got to find New Zealand's Michael
Angelo to knock it out.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Well, they need fifty K to build the statue. What
about just a nice bust of Richie? Does that go
far enough? You want the full body, You want the
full body statue. I like a nice bust. Yeah, me too,
so on into that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But yeah, no, I think you've got to have the
statue so people can do the rail trail and they
can get off and they can go on get their
photo with the bloody Richie's statue. Sweet, go for it.
Fifty thousand dollarsn't seen much. I mean, as I keep saying,
there's only three hundred and ninety people there, So if
you divide it between then I mean if they got
their hands out for us. But you know, yeah, but
we spend a lot of money on stupid stuff in
this country.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
We certainly do. Yeah, that is quite right, but we're
going to open it up to you, dear listeners. After
three the Titi go to Tikawiti, you know coll the Meads, Yep,
three statue love it. After two o'clock getting rid of
their public bins. They have removed so far ninety one
bins over the past two years. They want to get
rid of another fifty four. It's not the only council
of getting rid of their bins. A lot of controversy
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up here in Auckland for getting rid of those public bins.
Christ Church they don't seem to like the public bins anymore.
All in the act of saving a bit of money,
they say, But what accountsls do if they don't have
bins and click rubbish from the bins? I mean, that's
going to be one of their core things they do.
That's lazy.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You'd have to remove absolutely everything else frivolous that you're
doing before you got rid of the bins, as far
as I was in, or you'd have to get rid
of all your fun projects, all your little things. That
makes the councilors all giddy with excitement because they're doing
their little projects.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
No cycle ways, well not not even that, I mean,
no Christmas in the park?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well yeah, what whatever? I mean, This is the basic.
All that stuff bins is the absolute basic. You can't
go through the budget, you know. It's like me going
through my kid's budget and my budget in my house
and going I'm going to remove kids' shoes from the budget.
It's the basics. As a parent, I have to provide
you pride some bins.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I mean, that's very well said Matt's and ordinarily when
I read that, I kind of agreed with you, and
as someone who's got a dog, when they took away
all the bins where I walk the dog, and I
say where I'm going to put the dog poo now?
But whatever happened to taking personal responsibility of just cleaning
up after ourselves?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah? I get that. But so you think considering the
amount of people that just litter and just drop their
stuff anywhere, even when they're within two meters of a pine,
you think all those people are something going to make
miraculously start taking their rubbis shame.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Public shaming is what those people.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I'm a big fan of public shaming.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
H yeah, yeah, But that is half to two o'clock
because right now we're going to be talking about safety
in New Zealands.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, ah, we getting too risk averse in this country.
And is a question that comes up regularly, but not
regularly enough. I haven't heard people bring this up for
a while. And mea Wayne Brown, who's becoming incredibly popular
in Auckland. You know, you know, there was there was
he when he came in, you know, he came in,
you know, won the election, and then there was the
floods and it looks like he was unfairly blamed for
(08:28):
some of the response. But since then, you know, you'll
narry find a person that doesn't like mer Wayne Brown
these days, and he he he posted this. When did
we become a nation obsessed with appeasing the gods of
health and safety? This is something I've been chewing over
the summer period, whilst engaging in some risk taking behavior
of my own, like driving my car, surfing at Piehart,
(08:48):
and drinking beer. Frankly, I'm surprised these haven't been sacrificed
yet by a bureaucratic high priest with their holy clip
pods and robes. Very well, but in all seriousness, says
mea Brown, we have a boy cried wolf problem when
it comes to risk mitigation. I'm astonished by the number
of traffic cones and fifty kilimint are signs. I drove
us only discover no actual work being done. As former
(09:11):
chair of the Land Transport Safety Authority, we were expected
to deliver safety at reasonable cost. Today it would appear
that the word reasonable has been replaced by all. Even
Brownie's pool and the viaduct basin suffered confusing safety signage.
The warnings of both deep water and no diving went
underread by the parade of kids jumping from the purpose
book dive platform. I'm certain they would have noticed had
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the sign read shallow water. So it's great to see
we haven't completely scared all our youth into safety submission,
just as we discover our cottonwool culture may in fact
be harmful to them. Perhaps it's time for a grown
up conversation about safety and risk. And I thought that
was very well written by Meir Wayne Brown, and I
thought it was wider actually when I read that. It's
(09:52):
just after I'd watched this documentary on the Challenger disaster, right,
you know, the Challenge in US are eighty six seven
astronauts died, including christ mckayliff, the teacher that went up. Yes,
and after the documentary and everything had happened, and there
was problems with O rings, and you know, there was
an inquiring everything. And doctor William Lucas, the director of
(10:13):
the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center and director when the
Challenger exploded, he had this to say, thirty years after
the disaster, were.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
You familiar with the concerns that had been expressed in
the previous years. I guess I have been aware of
the problem with the seals. My assessment was that it
was a reasonable arest to take. Thirty years have not
changed the way I think about it at all. Going
in the space is something that great countries do. They
(10:45):
want advanced technology, they want to learn, and it's also risky.
You have to take some chances.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Beginning in April nineteen eighty five, did you then begin
to think it was a problem with flight safety.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
I did not think it was a problem sufficient to
ground the fleet.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So that was too audio That was from the investigation
in thirty years before, and then him now, and so
after all that time, he still thinks even though seven
astronauts died, and the teacher that was on there for
a public relations thing, and I could go into why
they did that, and that sort of like publicity meets
meets actuality. They were trying to prove that the space
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shuttles were just safe as and anyone can fly up
on them. Turn they weren't. But even all this years
these years later, he said it was a risk. It
was bad that people died, but you have to take
risks to be a great nation. And so I saw
those two things at the same time, and I was thinking, Yeah,
we're so safety obsessed in this country right now, and
to insane levels. As Mia Wayne Brown points out, and
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is that across the board to the point as a nation,
we're not taking risks. And if we don't take risks
as a nation, how can we become a great nation?
How can we grow? Don't you surely just stagnate this
if every time you say you're going to do something,
ten people around the table start pointing out why you
can't do it. And I was talking to this Australian
who's CEO in our country at the moment, and he
said what he's found strange about working in New Zealand
(12:09):
as as soon as you say anything here, five people
immediately try and think of the reasons why you can't
do it, yep, rather than saying the reasons why you should.
And it's very hard to argue with people about safety
if someone says safety and they point to this blah
blah blah, and then they come up with this tragic
event that's happened and they use that to beat you
down from trying to do anything and move things forward,
(12:30):
and you get the results like we had when they
were trying making people drive it thirty kilometers an hour
down roads.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, it is part of our productivity problem. No, doubt
about it, because it didn't used to be like that.
And I'm not just looking to the past with rose
tinted glasses. We all know there was such a thing
as Osh, and OSH had had various regulations on the
work sife, but then work a safety New Zealand came
along replaced ASH and they are far more rigorous and
over the top than notchh ever was. And you're right,
(12:57):
a lot of it steamed from the Pinke River mind disaster,
and we all know that was a massive tragedy, absolutely,
but how many people are in those situations specific to
that disaster an everyday workplace.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And also just philosophically rather than just practically on the line.
You want to be a nation that celebrates risk. You
want to be a nation that's bold and pushing to
the future, and you will and some bad there'll be
disasters on the way, and there were disasters on the
way to get into the moon. But you know they
lost three estruants in the pollar one thing before they
even even got off the ground.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
But would would America change that for heaven God on
the moon?
Speaker 9 (13:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Life is risk, and if you want progress, you can
accept some risk.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Every great endeavor involves risk.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Tell us what you think. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call are we too
risk Averse? In New Zealand and twenty twenty five, the
text number is nine to nine two. It is nineteen
past one, back in a moment, the.
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Speaker 3 (14:05):
Be good Afternoon twenty one pass won some great ticks
coming through about are we too risk Adverse? In New
Zealand's Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And not just on you know, with the safety, but
just when you try and undertake a venture. Everyone is
bringing up the risks as opposed to celebrating the boldness
of the venture. Yeah, and I think it permeates for everything.
Imagine this text says, I knowine too nine to imagine
if work safe had been around when Abel Tasman said
out in the sixteen forties, or James Cock one hundred
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and thirty years later. Yeah, yeah, well you know the
TV showed the tear I was talking about before. You know,
they might have been able they probably shouldn't have said
out there. You know, I'd sport it. I'm not going
to say what happened there. Fellow's a great discussion on
health and safety cotton wool culture. I agree there is.
But then you get this young fellow climbing two undred
twenty meters on a crane that's from Andy. Yeah, but
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can you stop that? Like I mean, does everyone everything
have to be shut down because someone might do something
just outrageous?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
But what else are you going to do to stop
that kid jumping on that crane? And you can have
all the fencing up there, and you can have all
the regulations you want right up the zoo, He's still
going to get on that crane. They'll find a way. Yes, yes, yes,
the country has gone bonkers. And Matt Meyer Brown has
nailed at crane owner again on the idiot swinging one
handed hundreds of feet up. You cannot legislate for stupid.
(15:28):
Take responsibility for your own actions from Lionel.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And then this text after that says, well that's basically
what I was saying before, wasn't it? And as Lenn Brown,
our Trump vote him for president.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, But when it comes to so the changes to
work safe New Zealand, and a lot of that was
brought on after the Pike River Mind tragedy. But the
old man has said many times before he's been an
electrician for a long time. But I know, being a
labor on that work site, the amount of grizzles, and
I think they were fair grizzles from builders, from electricians,
(15:59):
from plumbers, from the jib stoppers. When that new legislation
came into place way too over the top to the
point where it actually impeded on the work they could
get done. For example, if you needed to get up
a ladder, as I understood it, you need two people,
So you need someone down down the bottom holding that ladder,
and then the person jumping up and doing the job
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on top of that ladder. But it doesn't matter how
high that ladder is, you still need two people. Whereas
what happened to that good old you know key, we
can do attitude that hey it's just a step ladder.
I don't need two people here. I can jump up
that step step ladder and do the job, rather than
waiting to have the personnel there and get some cones
in place to be able to do a simple job.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, And I also believe people that enforce safety on others.
Often you know, someone will be hired and they'll go, oh,
can you put You know, I've hired people for safety
plans before because I've had it and they have to
just come up with something. They have to look through
and they come up with something. And there's another type
of person that feels like they're better than you, they're
more worthy than you because they worry more, and that
you're somehow reckless because you want to do something. I
was trying to organize a Christmas in the car park
(17:02):
to try and just as a joke around the Christmas
in the park, right Christmas in the car park, and
as soon as we mentioned it, every single person was
why you couldn't do it. It was just a list
of reasons why you can't do it. And like the
audacity of someone to come up with an idea and
try and put it forward where you can make yourself important.
And I think we always think that people are safety
(17:23):
campaigners because they want to make the world a better place.
A lot of people are just safety campaigners because they
want to assert power of other people and maybe they're
not the trailblazer that the other person is. And look,
that's a poor example. My Christmas in the car park.
It wouldn't have changed the world, it wouldn't have got
us into space, it wouldn't have made New Zealand a
better place.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Right I did.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But it was just the first example that came into
my head. But there's a way that you can exert
power over people that are trail braizer is just by
bringing them down to earth. You pull them down, you
put sheckles over them, you strap them to the ground
with your worries because you're a chicken, you're a scared person,
and also you don't have the ideas. So the way
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that you can move up is by restricting other people
and it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Is justifying their existence.
Speaker 10 (18:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And I mentioned a little bit earlier in the show
about replacing a light bulb, and I'm not going to
say the workplace, but this was genuine, that was the
rule in this particular workplace. It was one of these
halogen type light bulbs. There was a light bulb out
in the garage that I could see. It went out.
I couldn't do my job, so I said, hey, I'm
just going to replace that light bulb.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It was this here yeah, so when you weren't allowed
to do that.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
No, no, your head to your head to get and
electrician to come in and do that work.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Well, you should have just done it, mate.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, well that's what I said, and I tried. And
then the technology, the head of technology and the place
where it was it was part of this company. But
I'm not going to say where everyone can gets right.
He said, no, you can't do that. If you do that,
I'm going to have to write you up. Okay, that's
a health violation, wealth and safety violation.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You need to get written up for that. You need
to you need to just do it and get ritten up.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I should have just rebelled and said I am changing
that blomen light bulb.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That is ridiculous because you've got to ask, you know,
in a country that has low productivity, and you've got
to ask yourself, does is is it weighted away from
being bil taking risks, starting new adventures? Is it is it?
Is it too far awaited away from that towards safety,
which is which is a form of control. You know,
safe safety is you know, you know, you know nothing
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will ever get done if you one hundred percent safety.
If that's where you're tending towards that means absolutely nothing happens.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Ever, I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty if
you work in the trade, or in any industry for
that matter, love to hear from you. Is the balance
right at the moment? Or is Wayne Brown right? Are
we playing it too safe? In New Zealand And twenty
twenty five it is twenty seven past one back in
a moment.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.
Speaker 11 (19:50):
Inflation has unchanged two point two percent for the year
of December. Non tradeables coming down, So does this give
the banks some confidence start dropping rates?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Steve Yukovic, HVY Banks CEO. Does it give you confidence?
Speaker 12 (20:01):
Yes, it does, And I think you know where we
price rates from, which is the two year mark is
actually looking pretty stable.
Speaker 11 (20:07):
And obviously the non trade coming down is good. But
are you worried about the exchange rate?
Speaker 13 (20:11):
Here?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
We are.
Speaker 12 (20:11):
I mean the fact that our interest rates are coming
down makes the New Zealand dollar less attractive, which means
everything that we import by petrol and things like that
goes up and fries that. Ultimately, it looks like people's
confidence is picking up slightly, and we think the second
half of this calendar year will be much better.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
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Speaker 2 (20:34):
From the show, James, do you think our country is
becoming true risk averse?
Speaker 9 (20:41):
What it can tell you, guys is so I we
can construction then and Fletcher construction on their sites, on
some of their sites. I'm not sure if it's of
course the country. But you can't even use a a
frame leather called an a frame leaders or a step letter.
What do you've got it? Well, because it's because it
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is dangerous. But the alternative for you is to come
up with a with a better way of doing the
job and design a safety plan to do the to
do the task. Oh man, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And and what what kind of safety plan can you
put together to get get you up there without a
step ladder?
Speaker 9 (21:26):
Okay, they might want for example, you might want to
use a there's those small mobile elevator work platforms. There
are small ones, a scissor lift something like that or yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So so for the job that you need to do, James,
and the step ladder is about you know, three or
three or four steps, right, and so to get a
scissor ladder that seems way over the top for a
job that what would probably take you five minutes to
set up the step ladder, Get up there, clip off
the wire or or hammer and nail and then you're done.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
I think you're right there, because you know, we're thinking
about what's proportionate to the to the task in cost
to to say a small to medium enterprise construction business
who's doing the job. But look, I can give you
one of the reasons why why step ladders and actually
fletchers is not the only one that's banning step leaders.
I can tell you one good reason why is that
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you fall from a step ladder. There are more injuries,
more serious injuries off a step ladder because the distance
between where you come off the step ladder and the
ground is too short, and it doesn't give you time
to correct yourself. You know what, you know what I
mean to land on your feet, right, if you're coming
off a roof, you've got time, You've got time to
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brace yourself and for the four will land on your feet, hopefully.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But the injuries would be less bad though, wouldn't they
I mean, we're talking like a rolled ankle.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
Yeah, well, no, there will there will, there will be.
There will vary depending where they are. You know, they
might be working over some a concrete plan or there
could be Reba robs sticking up. Would you editration?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Oh yeah, so James, So do you think that that's
a good rule? Then do you think that that that
the step leg ladders are so dangerous that that risk
over over succeeds that you know, is higher than the danger,
higher than the value of the convenience of it, I
guess is the way I want to say.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
No, I don't think so, No, I don't. I think well,
actually I think that it's a bit over the top
of the Yeah, you know, I think residential construction work,
I think that will be okay. You know, commercial and
residential constructs are two different, completely open environments.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, because you can fall down and I have a
number of times. You can fall down the stairs in
your house.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, yeah, you can fall over a curb and again
I've done that many times. James. Thank you very much, mate,
but you appreciate you calling through. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We're going to
get to the headlines. But do you think that's a
flip thing or that's because the regulation fleatures are so
shit scared of someone falling off a stip letter.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'm worried about your language.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, I thought i'd just chuck out a we are
we is bomb there because my hosking does it all
the time, and he's yeah, but he's my costin and
he's the best of us. He's the best of us.
Just tiss the water, sorry, because that's so scared of
being fined or work safe coming for them?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well, yeah, I mean obviously, because you know they want
to get through the job as quickly as they can
and make money off it, don't they. But they also
have to weigh it up between the regulations above them.
And I think Wayne Brown put it the the catastrophic
consequences for you if something goes wrong and the where
the blame is apportioned right, so that it creates a
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are looking after their own asses and you can kind
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Speaker 3 (26:34):
Thank you very much, Rayleene. We have asked the question,
are we to risk adverse in New Zealand Way Browns
gently think so.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, And I think it's I think it's bigger than
just risk averse and all the safety that we get,
you know, pushed upon us. I think we're so. I
think it's as I think that permeates across the whole
of our society and as a country. And I think
you want to be a country whose main principles are
to be bold and take risks for the good, because
not taking risks is a risk that your country will
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not have the wealth in the future or the things
to be proud of in the future to really be
a country.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, nicely. Plenty of great techs coming through on nine
two ninety two. This one get ae guys. Many years
ago I fell off a two story building and had
no time to correct myself. But accedents are just that accidents.
You can't idiot proof the world. That was my responsibility
not my companies from m.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, I mean, and there's no doubt there's a balance, right,
we're just saying the balance has gone too far. So,
I mean there's obviously you know, Victorian times that were
doing terrible things in factories and didn't care about anyone,
you know, the kids, kids and the machinery and you know.
So I'm not saying get rid of all of it.
I'm just saying, and Wayne Brown seems to be saying
that it's just gone too far, and that's I think
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that's a huge danger for your country when you're not
all about number eight fencing wire ingenuity and taking risks
and being bold.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Ben, what's your take on this?
Speaker 8 (27:58):
Hi, Gas, Thanks taking the well. Yeah, it's an interesting
topic for conversation. I'm a health and safety manager, and
I spend most of my time negotiating the waters between
let's get the done, how do we do it safely?
But most of the time the safety regulations. It's not
actually the regulations that are the problem. It's not the
Health and Safety at Work acts because if you interpret
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that probably through a proper lens, it's not really telling
you that you've got to do all these things like
us a scissor lift to access something. For fletchers, you
could use a step. Matter. But a lot of companies
or there say a lot of health and safety professionals
are self imposing these regulations for whatever reason you might think.
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Is it to make a name for themselves, is it
so that they feel self worth in their jobs, or
is it actually so that those companies can look good
to win contracts? And I think that's probably what's happening.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, right, because I was wondering before, because it's very
hard to it's also very hard to argue against safety. Right,
so someone can make their way up into a company,
into an executive decision decision is the safety person. And
then when they sit around you know what if boardroom
table and say on the safety person, it's very hard
for someone to say, well, that's crazy, you can't be
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that safe, because then they can point to accidents and
terrible things that have happened. So would you say this
is true that not all safety regulations are instilled for safety.
Some of them are instilled by people for political power
in companies or for self ingrandiation If that's a word,
(29:37):
is it ingradiation? Someone will tell me?
Speaker 8 (29:42):
But perhaps perhaps I mean it does boil down to,
you know, the quality of the top heads of the
companies and the sort of advice that they are getting
from their safety professionals. We've got to remember, what we
don't want to do is kill people, right, We don't
want to do that. We don't want people to go
to work and be build because some rich bloke has
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got some land and he wants to build a building,
and he gets a company that's a rich company and
they want to build a building. And then your son
or your grandson ends up working there as an apprentice,
and they're just being flippant with the risks and leaving
people exposed to open edges and things like that. And
then someone trips and falls off the edge of a building. Yes,
that's an accident, but it easily controlled by putting barriers
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in place. And so there's some middle ground, and it
is complex. I think we have gone too far, but
I think the guy called up about fletchers and we've
got the same problems. It's you know, I've got a chat.
He stepped down off a step ladder on a site recently,
and their safety person contacted me. He twisted his ankle
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stepping off an a frame, step ladder, and how are
you going to stop a similar incident happening again. I'm not,
you know, I'm not going to stop that from happening
again and do what you want with that. You know what,
we have to accept some risk. What we don't want
to do is kill people. So if you're using a frain,
we want to make sure that the crane is managed properly.
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We want to make sure that it's got all its
change checked and that the people using it are competent.
That that should be the focus. But we get so
lost in slips, trips and falls and you know, hand
hand injuries that maybe we're not focusing on the critical risk.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's going to there's going to have to be some
rolled ankles if we're going to get the job done.
That's basically what you're saying, at your cost of progress,
you don't want any head snipped off.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
I feel like rolling an ankle is a human problem.
It's not a safety problem. Humans twist their ankles. Humans
straining themselves. You might be picking up your kid and
strain your wrist. You might be picking up something that
weighs ten kilograms at work and sprain your wrist, and
I don't think we're safe to have a problem with that,
But sometimes the safety profession has a problem with that,
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and we need to be careful that we don't go
down the same road as the UK or Australia which
often held up as this, look at their safety stuff,
but everything is so regulated, but we can't get they
cant they can't get anything done easily.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I think when you see there, that's instinct. Being as
the safety profession. There is money to be made in
safety and more safety regulations and more safety advice. And
it's a difficult one when you can't argue against it,
because it will just grow and grow and grow and
grow till we get things that are absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
I'll give you a good example now, and I hope
that you'll be affronted by this as i am. You
had the chat call them before and he spoke about
sizzle lifts, right, yep, So to operate a sizzle lift.
It's not regulated that you must even have a certification
to operate a sizzl lift. They are fairly simple that
up down, forward, backard was left right, very very simple,
you know. But to be safe, let's do let's go
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and do some training send them on a training course.
They get a certification, then then use they then use it.
After two years is you have to send them on
the course again because the certification expires. So every two
years you have to send them on a course which
costs about three or four hundred dollars. Wow, it's supposed
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to be a half day course. The guys go, they
go somewhere, they go in and out of some cones,
they go up and down, and then the company pays
four hundred dollars, thank you very much. Yeah, and then
that is imposed.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Well, that's exactly what I'm talking about the main contractor
that's what I'm talking Ben, because there is money to
be made in making the regulation that they have to
set the course again and again and again. So not
all safety is about safety. Some of it about money,
and some of it is about power. Hey, can you
can you stick with us just for a bert I've
just got to go away for a second and come
back because I've got I've got a question to like
(33:51):
to ask us. You bean, if you could hang around
for a few minutes, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Great, just hold their bean. It always a quarter to two.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
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Speaker 2 (34:07):
Call news Talk, sai'd be. We're talking about risk. Have
we become to risk a verse in this country? And
is that dangerous for our future? We've got Ben on
the line, who's a health and safety advisor. I said,
I've got a question for you, Ben, and we kept
you over the break for it. So you said before
that we don't want anyone to die. And I started
the show by talking about doctor William Lucas, who was
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the director of the National NASA Marshall Space Flight Center
in nineteen eighty six when the Challenger exploded, losing success
naughts and a teacher who was on the flight, and
I played some audio from him and he said, thirty
years later, how did he feel about it? And he
said he didn't feel bad about it. He felt sorry
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that the people die, but he thought for a nation
to be great, it had to take risks, and great
nations do things like going into space, so risk needed
to be had. So would you ever accept as he did,
that some goals are so big that they are worth
the risk of losing some live for.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
You know, I heard that segment and do you know
what it made me think of immediately? It made me
think of you know, if you hark back to when
we used to just send people off the war. But
it wasn't our kids we sent off the war, is
what they stayed. To the politicians, I'd probably say the
same thing to him, mate, I'd be like, is it
your kid going up in that flight? And if it was,
I think I think.
Speaker 15 (35:31):
He's got a right to say that.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I would actually agree with that, being with not with
the astronauts, And I think the big problem with that,
and this is getting off topic a little bit, but
I think because that was a problem between politics and
science and this and NASA trying to get the Space
Shuttle into place. So they had said that the space
Shuttle was something that can easily safely take people in space.
It wasn't. It was still a highly risky thing that
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only astronauts have been on. So the publicity department from
NASA put the teacher on the flight, Krista mcayliffe, to
prove that it was an everyday thing. These space shuttles.
That's why they were called the shuttle, the space Shuttle.
They weren't yet, So yeah, I think you're right they
told Yeah, I think those success to what's gone in
there and were well aware of the danger and what
they were signing up for because they wanted to be esteroids.
(36:19):
But I think the problem there and you're right being
around that. You know, they should never have put Chrysta
up there if they weren't willing to.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Put their own kids on there, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
But just going back to our own situation, Ben, because
a lot of the changes came from Pipe River mid disaster, right,
we can all agree knowing what happened there, that was
a disaster and a lot of health and safety cockups
were made terrible decisions. But just on the basis of
that one tragedy, and it was a tragedy to flow
that through the all industry in New Zealand, does that
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not just seem like a massive knee jerk reaction when
it's not like for like, I think you.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Were my two cents worth just on that whole scenario.
I think the creative work safe and the new regulations
was a good thing for New Zealand. I think that
companies and health and safety people panics with any regulations
and they just overregulated themselves without properly interpreting what we're
(37:13):
safe for actually saying, and what the government was saying
with the regulations and the Act. And then what's happened
is chronically underfunded the regulator, so the regulator can't come
out to business and actually help there. They're just there
to say and after an accident, why you were wrong.
They don't have enough money and enough inspectors and enough
(37:36):
help available to come out to business and say, gigo,
this is how we can help you. They just don't
have the money to do that. So I'm not one
for being on work safe side. But in their defense,
they're like seven hundred people to regulate the whole country.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
So I've been We've got enough off again, but I've
just got one really really quick question for you go
before we go. Yeah, have you ever seen safety regulations
rolled back? Or do they just get layered on and
layered on. M No, I've noticed he got back to
it thanks to cool Ben. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, thanks very much. It is eight minutes to two.
Back in the mow.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
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Speaker 3 (38:29):
Peter, Welcome to the show. You're an ex health and
safety practitioner.
Speaker 16 (38:33):
I am thirty ideas. I know we don't have a
lot of time, but I've got experience in manufacturing, aviation,
petter chemical, construction, roading, and a few others. Look, I
agree with a lot of what Ben just said, and
I've through the time that i've been there, I've seen
it go from nothing to somewhere over the top in places.
Speaker 10 (38:57):
But it is how people.
Speaker 16 (38:58):
Interpret the requirements, interpret the rules and the legislation. And
I mean the health and safety is a good thing
and it keeps does keep people safe if it's done
in the right manner. And if you talk about the
likes of construction industry and petrochemical especially, you need to
have those rules in there and you need to have
that health and safety practices in there. And unfortunately, in
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my time, I've seen a couple of deaths, in fact,
one or two more than a couple of deaths, and
all of those if there has been an adequate risk
assessment carried out and the proper risk controls put in place,
those deaths probably or they certainly would not have occurred.
And so I sort of look at it more from
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a big getting big picture. Somebody climbing up a ladder,
they don't really need to have somebody at the bottom
holding it if it's an a frame ladder. And I
think if companies are imposing that on their stuff, then
that's a little bit ridiculous and people tend to take
shortcuts because of it. If you look at somebody climbing
up a pole doing electrical work, generally they don't have
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anybody at the bottom of the ladder apart from when
they start, because they spread the letter to the poll.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, Peter, thank you very much. We're going to pick
this back up after two o'clock. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety
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Speaker 3 (40:35):
eNB Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Been having
a great discussion about health and safety in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, a couple of days ago Auklamia, Wayne Brown wrote
this article featuring this fantastic line. I thought, Unfortunately, we
now live in the age where tolerance for risk is
low and appetite for blame when something at verse happens
is high. Work safe rush to justify their existence by
making recommendations like more signage, more guardrails, more fences, more lifeguards,
none of which are ever subject to even the slightest
(41:04):
cost benefit thinking. And you know, I was talking to
a health and safety advisor been before, and I asked,
has he ever seen a safety regulation removed? They just
get layered on and layered on and layd on. And
as he points out, we don't want people to die,
but obviously it can go too far to the point
where nothing can get done. And productivity is a huge
(41:26):
problem in our country. And look, speaking of death this
I saw this at the same time as I was
saying at the start of the last Hour, as I
saw this thing from Wayne Brown, as the same time
as I was watching a documentary on the Challenger disaster.
And that was a disaster in which successtronauts and a
teacher that was on there for publicity purposes died. But
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as I played before, doctor Lucas, the director of the
NASA Marshall Space Flight Center and director when the Challenger exploded,
had this to say, all these years later after the disaster.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
Thirty years have not changed the way I talk about
it at all. Going in the space is something that
the great countries do. They want advanced technology, they want
to learn, and it's also risk here you have to
take some chances.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Those two things came together in my mind and I thought,
if we're a country that just gets more and more
safe and more and more risk averse, are we even
going to do the bold, great things that we need
to do and does that end up becoming the danger
because the country doesn't have the wealth, it doesn't have
the motivation, it doesn't have the direction that a country
needs to make people healthy, wealthy and successful.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, there was something about the she'll be right attitude,
and I know that gets a lot of stick as oh,
you know where she'll be right. Got a lot of
people hurt and some people killed, and as you said before,
we don't want to have people die. But when these
regulations have gone to the extent that they've got. You're
quite right, productivity prime style hold, and we're not she'll
be right anymore?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Well would America? America lost three astronauts right at the
start of their polar missions, but they went to space.
Does anyone ever say that that that wasn't worth the
risk getting to the moon?
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Very few, very few, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
But to call Jell, how are you this afternoon?
Speaker 17 (43:11):
I'm good? Thank you? How are you good?
Speaker 3 (43:13):
What's your take on this?
Speaker 17 (43:15):
Well, I just wondered if you'd heard the acc ads
on the radio. One of them is if you're going
to go out and do something heather m moment, and
the other one is if you get hurt, who gets harmed?
And these are the acc ads. So basically I wouldn't
leave my front door and keep my car in the
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morning because I might get harmed.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
I know, those ads drive me crazy, Gel because it's
like saying, before you do something fun, just think about
everything else and stop that. There's something so depressing and
oppressive about those ads. And I get the accs trying
to do their job and keep their money that you
know what they have to put out down. But as
a country that always just stops before they play a
game of rugby and thinks about who will who who?
Speaker 3 (44:02):
I don't know, it's just who's going to get hurt
in a tackle?
Speaker 14 (44:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, And a lot of it is, don't We don't.
We kind of have a anyway, not to that extent,
but we're kind of where as individuals sizing up the
risk and the return that will get if we just
roll the dice. I certainly do every day. And if
I want to roll the dice and do something a
little bit silly and I might get hurt, well I'm
going to do that because sometimes it's fun.
Speaker 17 (44:24):
Well, you'd never do anything. I wield a knife all
day in my job, and every time I pick that
knife up there's a potential that I'll cut myself. Yeah,
but that's how I make my money.
Speaker 8 (44:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
And what are you wielding that knife for?
Speaker 17 (44:43):
I make magnetic fly screens.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Oh okay, all right, interesting one out.
Speaker 17 (44:49):
There for magic seal. If you've got bugs in your house,
give us a ring.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Did you say, magic fuel, magic seal, Magic seal seal?
Speaker 18 (44:58):
All right?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Handmade by Jill from Napier Mate. Thank you so much
for your call.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Thank you, Jill, on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
But yeah, it's a fair point, doesn't it that that's
having a hmmm, we're not going to get it.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
You're not going to do.
Speaker 14 (45:15):
This.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Thing about ACC is that they just they don't want
to have to pay out on your sprain ankle. But
sprain ankle, big deal, Break an arm, big deal. I mean,
there's a there's a lot of things that you can
do in life on the way to having fun before
you kill yourself. You know, there's a there's a lot
of danger in an. ACC's remit is to try and
keep those down. You know, they don't want you slipping
over and then them having to pay for a physiotherapist. Right,
(45:35):
But you if you never risk doing anything in life
that ended up with you maybe breaking an arm or
going to see a physiotherapist, you'd have a pretty lame
and pathetic life.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
You certainly would.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
So you understand it from ACC's perspective, but you've got
to understand it from your own perspective, and your perspective
is to go hard and have a good time.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call
nicely put Matt.
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Speaker 4 (46:07):
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Speaker 3 (46:11):
Good afternoon. Quarter past two. We've been talking about health
and safety in New Zealand on the back of an
opinion piece spy Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown? Are we playing
it too safe for these days? He certainly thinks we are. Matt,
you certainly think we are. Love to hear from you
on oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty some great tests
coming through on nine two ninety two. Guys, trouble with
(46:32):
health and safety no common sense. A lot of times
health and safety people have no clue of the job
the person has to do. The only health and safety
people that are worthwhile are the ones with the experience
for that kind of work.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
From Steve the Sex, it says, you guys have to agree,
it's no fun having someone else wiping your backside. Teenagers
and young adults make bad decision and makes them think
that's not a bad thing. From Graham, Now we're talking
about that acc ad I think it makes young of
anything that's going to make young people do stupider things
because it's so condescending, have a hm, are you going
(47:03):
to be hever that the line between the line between
helping and being condesce ending to the citizens of a nation.
This other person said, God, what a nation of complainers.
Those acc ads aren't telling you not to do something.
They're just trying to encourage people to think before they
do something stupid and consider how much mitigate the risk
of getting badly injured. I'm saying that that's just a
(47:24):
bad message for society, and I didn't want to rag
on the a sec that that's not how I started
doing it, especially not the alternative commentary creative. But it's
just it's just an attitude of instead of the messaging
being be bold, take risks for the good of your nation.
Let's let's let's start businesses, let's try new endeavors. Let's
(47:47):
let's let's push things to the very envelope at what
it is because our nation and our lives can be great,
so we can live life' less ordinaria whatever. Moving it forward.
We're saying, eh, just hold back a little bit, just
just be careful, that could happen.
Speaker 14 (48:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
It's just it's just a it's a it's a way
of looking at the world that doesn't lead to greatness,
is all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
And you weren't ragging on acc as you said. They've
got their remit to try and save money. But if
they told ed Hillary, hey, just have a hymn before
you climb that mountain, never would have got to the top.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Zach Lee, be careful around those atoms, Rutherford, one of
them might split. You know, you got to You've got
to try things. In fact, I was talking to her.
We're talking about Professor Brian Cox the other day yesterday
actually on the show Great Man from Manchester. He said,
if you go to Rutherford's desk, that's it's at a
University of Manchester. If you run a Geiger counterpart, it
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pass it to the stag.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Is that right?
Speaker 8 (48:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Good man, Brian? How you this afternoon? God? What's your
take on where health and safety is at at the moment?
Speaker 6 (48:56):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (48:57):
Look, just.
Speaker 10 (48:59):
A bit of an aspect in the Pride of the Break.
You're talking to a couple of guys obviously been in
the industry at some time. There's you guys mentioned it
that you know, where does it all come from? Where's
it driven from and things like that, and why is
it why does it seem so you know, go to
the ridiculous links that it goes to. And I think
it was about twenty fifteen that it changed slightly, well
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not slightly for some. But it used to be that
a company was prosecuted, you know, if there was a
death or something like that. But it changed to a PCBU,
which is a person conducting a business or undertaking, which
suddenly put the accountability onto you know, like a director
or a CEO or someone like that, like an actual person, right,
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and you'll see that driven through. There's examples. I think
it wasn't too long prior to Christmas. The Auckland Ports
CEO was actually sentenced through those you know, they had
a couple of deaths there over the last couple of
years unfortunately, but ultimately it fell upon him and he
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suffered the consequences. And I think that was the big change.
You could say that you're a company, you have some
good lawyers, you go along, you know, there might have
been a death or something like that. There's fines to
pay or something like that. The company pays it. But
as soon as it went to there's fines to pay
all prison sentences for you know, someone at the top obviously,
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because those people at the top suddenly took a great
deal of interest in that change, and it sort of
flowed down from that where they suddenly had a very
high priority on risk mitigation and they passed it on
to management below them, and indeed it gets down to
departmental managers and things like that, and organizations where quite
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often a lot you know, a lot of organizations I've
been and that they'll actually have KPIs based you know,
it could be on a bonus for the year, and
it could have a portion of it that is based
on you know, health and safety aspect. You know, have
you suffered any lost time injuries, have you suffered any
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severe injuries and things like that in your departments which
will affect your bonus at the end. So there's a
there's sort of a drive for middle management to sort
of you know, look at it that way. And some
people out there will even know that the scenario where
someone's been injured and there's a real drive to get
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them back at work in some capacity, and that's because
they want to avoid that lost time injuries injury being
on the box because if they get them back to work.
Then they're they're actually still working, so it's not recorded
and it doesn't affect their bonus. And you know, that's
that's sort of what's developed in the system, which is
sort of trickled down from this this responsibility being fed
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you know, from above.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I mean, that's really interesante and that's really really powerful
legislation if your only goal as a government is to
make things safer. But it's not great legislation if your
goal is for the country to be more productive. And
productivity is a real problem in our country. So that's
something that governments need to weigh up, don't they. So
you know, you bring that in and of course, yeah,
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you're going to have huge amounts of legislation, you know,
you know, a huge amount. You're going to motivate companies
to be very very safe.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
But is that good for the bigger picture getting things done?
Speaker 19 (52:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (52:33):
I don't know if that that's great for the bigger picture.
I mean, I think about really really good legislation. From
one point of view, was when when they put the
put them made the bars libel for having underage drinkers
instead of just the underage drinker in the bar. And
then the bars were very motivated to not have underage
drinkers in there. It's that same kind of thinking, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Brian?
Speaker 10 (52:52):
Yeah, well correct, and and you sort of asked the
question a few times. You know, where's all the risk
taking out there? You know, we're going to be bold
to succeed and things like that. And if you think
about it, I agree with that. I think I think
that's you know, that's that's a good sentiment. But I'll
timately if that was your neck on the line, that
you might end up ten years prison sentence.
Speaker 19 (53:15):
You know.
Speaker 10 (53:15):
I mean you look, you look at the cases against
the White Islands companies. You know they ended up with
directors in court facing consequences. A lot of them didn't happen,
but you know that's the real consequence that may make
an individual running that company or something go hang on.
You know this all sounds great, but this is my
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neck on the line.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
This is Yeah, that's why I say. That's why I say, Brian,
it's it's great legislation if you want more safety across
the board, absolutely, because if I was in that position,
I'd be lacquering up the safety to make sure I
got my bonus and made sure that I wasn't liable
for anything. But governments need to think about things more
than just what their little department is, and they need
to go you know, safety is one thing, but productivity
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is another. And the dangers of a country not having
a high productivity, you know that that spills into not
being able to pay for healthcare. It spills into not
I've been able to pay for a lot of stuff.
But yeah, thank you so much for you call Brian.
That's that's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, great. Call one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Love to hear from you on
this as well. It's twenty three pass too.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
Good afternoon, Welcome back into the show. We've been talking
about health and safety in New Zealand on the back
of a Wayne Brown opinion piece saying we are playing
it too safe in New Zealand these days, and I
certainly agree. You certainly agree.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, sorry, I'm just involved in a very deep discussion
on text around the Challenger disaster and the O Rings. Yes,
I'm very interested in that whole thing. I've just watched
the American scan I listened to the American Scandal podcast
on it very interesting, and watched the Challenger documentary on Netflix,
and I'm I'm reading a book on it at the moment.
It's it's it's incredible, and that has really got me
(55:02):
thinking about this. That's the balance between greatness and risk.
And I just don't believe after watching that that, I
mean that that is a that is a situation that
sits right in the gray area between balance and risk,
the balance between greatness and risk. And I just don't
think that you can have full greatness that moves our
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species and our country forward without without quite a lot
of risk being allowed into the situation. And I feel
like just blanket safety across the board, and the safety
the safety people, you know, the sky is falling, people
always winning the argument. I don't I don't think that
leads to greatness and prosperity and motivation and pride for
a nation. Anyway, we've got a productivity problem, a text
(55:46):
messicution with text machine. With this great conversation I'm having
with one listener and list let's talk to all of you.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yeah, Michael, how are you.
Speaker 13 (55:53):
To the Hey, this is not so much about business,
but it's still health and safety. I asked my job
a couple of years ago. As a result of a
perceived health and safety risk, I had to drive my
vehicle for a stream every day to get to and
(56:14):
from home. And this particular days been a lot of rain,
and I nudged the nose of the company vehicle into
the stream because I've got a market peg that tells
me how deep it is, and I thought, no, this
is way too deep to go through. So I went
to back out. But the crazy actually it was a
(56:37):
four wheel drive vehicle, but the air and take was
at the just at the top of the front mudguard,
and it sucked water and it killed the engine. So
there I am sitting there, I bring up another couple
of guys and they pulled me out and they said, no,
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you put the company at risk, your personal safety at risk,
and essentially I lost my job.
Speaker 3 (57:06):
And how long ago was that, Michael?
Speaker 13 (57:09):
Two years ago?
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Two years?
Speaker 9 (57:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (57:11):
So was that the only way you could get to work.
Speaker 13 (57:15):
Quick?
Speaker 14 (57:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (57:17):
And so they it's interesting, so did they hire someone
that didn't have to go through that to get to
work or was that the only way anyone could get
to work.
Speaker 13 (57:26):
The only way I could get to work.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, Well that's rough, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
That is very rough.
Speaker 10 (57:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (57:32):
What's quite interesting is that talk about three days for
the process to go through. But where it is, it's
got a very big catchment and so the stream can
come up and go down very quickly. And so about
a day and a half later, the guy that was
put on the on the job to do the inspection
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about it, he had a brand new sixty thousand dollars
four wheel drive and he went down and towards the
stream and he hesitated, and I said, oh, I won't
say his name. I said, what are your hissitating for?
And he said, oh, I'm not sure. I might get
washed away. And I thought, my four year old grandson
(58:17):
can walk through here without holding hands, and he's got
a sixty thousand dollars truck, and he was hesitating because
he thought it might get washed away. And so that's
where the health and safety thing it's often so much
about personal perception of risk.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
Yeah yeah, Michael, sorry that happened to you, and it
certainly sounds like that was a knee juke reaction. Thanks
very much for giving us a buzz. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number of call headlines
coming up. It's twenty nine past two.
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Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Thank you very much, roy Lean twenty seven to three.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
We're talking about risk and as this country becoming too
risk averse and there's that an extent existential threat to
our country's productivity and pride in itself. And a lot
of texts coming through on this health and safety had
dumbed down everyone down. Systems have to be put in
place for dumb off the dumbest of the dumbinance, lack
of productivity and high cost to get anything done in
this country. We still have the same, if not higher
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rate of accident injuries and death per capita as we
did prior to this insane amount of regulations. Another text
that says aj Hackett bungee would never have got off
the ground these days, would it well to be fair Derek,
great text, but aj illegally climbed up the Eiffel Tower
and jumped off. Didn't he with this bungee to get publicity?
Great New Zealand day, But that was illegal at the time,
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and I think he got arrested at the bottom.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
But look at him now, We'll look at the company now.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah, yeah, and terrifying. You know, have you bungee?
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
So good, love it so good. And just before we
go on, I mean, I would never be here today
broadcasting on Newstalk z B if it wasn't insane amount
of risk that was taken in my youth. And a
lot of people listening to gosh, oh wish you hadn't
taken those risks, you weren't here. But you know, I
started out me and my high school friends growing up
in Duned and we had had not much opportunities in
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our life, and we just started doing stupid stunts. And
then we got our seal to the TV show on
TV two call Back of the y Mussabis Television where
we'd set ourselves on fire and taken sane risks, you know,
TV and ZID had no idea what we were doing.
We got we rented a warehouse out and only hunger
and then and then had other areas that would show
TV and ZI executives through to pretend we had some
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kind of health and safe debit, but we didn't do anything.
We were just flipping cars, we were sitting ourselves on fire.
We're doing all kinds of stupid things. And that risk
got me the media career that I still enjoy to
this day and feeds my kids and puts the roof
over the head. So you know, I'm very pleased I
took those insane risks.
Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
And that worked well for everyone. Right, is that TV
and Z got a nice finished product that they put
on the Telly and they got a good audience, and
they didn't have to worry about the risk that you
guys would take in that was your responsibility. You're off site,
you'd accepted that risk.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Well, the whole world of stunts is an interesting thing.
And we had stuntman on a movie I made once
and the stuntman, Jody, got very badly injured. It was
terrible situation, but because he was a stuntman, the whole
OSH investigation came back and said, well, you guys, you
guys had could have taken every expectation that he would
do what he needed to protect himself. You know what,
(01:02:41):
I mean, so stunts is a thing in movies where
people have to take risk by its very definition, so
it operates in this kind of weird area. But less so,
I understand it's hard to on how to do them.
Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Would that be similar because we've talked about the Challenger.
You've talked about the Challenger a lot. That's similar to
the Astionnausts right, that they know the risks are taken
when they step on that space shuttle, that there's no
guarantee of their safety. Similar scenario, I mean, obviously vastly
different areas of risk, but similar scenario.
Speaker 18 (01:03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Well, yeah, most astronauts at the time, you know, unless
so as the shuttles came in to play the space
shuttles were test pilots. You know, there were Air Force
test pilots. There were people that loved it, and you know,
had signed themselves up to a certain amount of risk.
Problem with the Challenger as they put a teacher on
there for publicity and she hadn't really signed herself up
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to the risks in the in the same way. But
that's a huge story and not really what we're talking about,
even though I could talk about it for hours.
Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Sarah, how are you this afternoon.
Speaker 15 (01:03:37):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Now you want to talk about yeah, very good. You
want to talk about contact sports and relation to our
appetite for risk in New Zealand.
Speaker 15 (01:03:48):
Well, I mean you've been talking about personal risk and
that's fine if you are going to be responsible for
your own injuries, if you injure yourself. In my experience,
I've come across people who, first of all, it was
skateboarding where someone would proudly say, after being in hospital
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board of fiftieth time, are broken every bone in my
body and still going back to doing the same thing.
Obviously they are not just they're going to break every
bone in their body, but everyone else has to pay
for their rehabilitation.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah, Avantel myself terribly skateboarding in my time, SERI. But
you got to say, but also contact what I would
say with skateboarding. Sorry, Sarah, I could just interrupt you
a second and I'll let you go on to the
next bat. But just skateboarding something I care about, and
and that's how our TV actually came together through skateboarding.
But that is young people pushing themselves to the very
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level and one of the most difficult and complex things
you can you can do. And there's a great deal
that's gained from skateboarding as well as the risk of
injuries and in terms of confidence and just the sheer
amount of time and focus that someone has to put
into skateboarding to become good. So there is there is
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some worth in that, I'd say, as well as the dangers.
Speaker 15 (01:05:13):
Well, you need to ask everyone else who's paying for
their rehabilitation and medical can.
Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
We Well if we always ask the question, we think
it's worth so.
Speaker 14 (01:05:25):
Them.
Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Well, well you could ask if you say the same
thing about everyone that has a shower, because there's much
more injuries that happen in bathrooms. So bathrooms are much
more bathrooms are a much more dangerous place than than
skateboarding by the sheer numbers of people to get injured.
I mean, that's that's that's an unfair statistic, like statistics
that always are because there's a lot more people in
bathrooms and there are skateboarding. But just being a citizen
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of New Zealand, there's a certain amount of risk and
what you're going to do when we want don't we
want people out there skateboarding and mountain biking and experiencing life,
And isn't there what a country is about.
Speaker 15 (01:05:56):
That's okay, as long as that's okay, as long as
they they put something towards they're more more risk that
they are putting themselves into.
Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
But but but but then then would have a society
of people that don't take risks, and then we have
a country that would have very product.
Speaker 15 (01:06:13):
No, we'd have people that would take personal accounts for
the respect they're taking, not not relying on anyone else
to pick up the pieces.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Well, that's why we've got the ACC, right.
Speaker 15 (01:06:25):
Well, that's I was carn't afford it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Well, well, there's there's recent things that have been there's
recent things that have been lumped on the ACC that
weren't there before that have changed it. It's been a
pretty good model. I mean I personally, I'm at all
I don't.
Speaker 15 (01:06:38):
Think it's a good model at all. I think it's
it's stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
So you work in contact sports in the medical field
and you think the ACC is a bad thing.
Speaker 15 (01:06:46):
I do think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Yes, So so basically do you think people would well,
I mean, you know in rugby, you know the rugby
you know Rugby New Zealand does pay money into this
kind of situation. So if you say that our biggest
contents caught rugby. So I'm amazed that you involved in
sports medicine and you think that contact sports, that the
ACC is a bad thing, because I think sport is
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so good for young people growing up, and I think
the risks and I think the risks are well worth it.
Speaker 15 (01:07:16):
We're going to be continually for people with brain damage
from boxing and rugby.
Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yeah, we're going to be paying. We're going to be
paying a lot more for people just We're going to
be paying a lot more for people just sitting around
in their houses doom, scrolling on their phones.
Speaker 15 (01:07:31):
What is exercise you can do without each other?
Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
And but what if the exercise what, Sarah, What if
the exercise you want to do is bashing people and
and and the other person that the other person wants
to do it as well.
Speaker 15 (01:07:44):
If that's what you want to do, then to pay
for your own medical care.
Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
But what country do you want? What type of country
do you want to live in? Sarah?
Speaker 15 (01:07:50):
I want to live in a country where it takes
responsibility for their actions.
Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
But I can't agree with that either, Sarah. Is there
as someone who skateboarded and snowboarded a mountain and mountain
bike and when I came off my mountain bike and
hit my head very badly and had temporary memory loss
and ended up in hospital. And who was my hospital
room is a guy who was trying to use a
chains for at his home and unfortunately he cut his leg.
There was another guy who fell over when he was
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coming out of his kitchen who was being looked after.
So where do you draw the line and on a
cost benefit analysis situation with sport which is good for
people's health, it keeps them hopefully out of hospital long dorm.
Isn't that we you balance it up to say, if
people are playing sport and they hurt themselves, there'll be
our hospital system to look after them. But most people
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who play sport will be healthier for it.
Speaker 15 (01:08:41):
Well, I agree with you. It depends on the sport,
doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Okay, sir? What sports do you support people people play.
Speaker 15 (01:08:51):
Non contact sports?
Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
What would you define as a non contact sport?
Speaker 15 (01:08:57):
Well, tennis for example.
Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Well, you get a lot of injuries, and tennis run
running a lot of injuries, and running you.
Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Get a lot of many You get a lot of
injuries and running skateboarding is technically a non contextport, if that's.
Speaker 15 (01:09:11):
All right, But that's it's more injury prone than than
walking along the street or going for reasonable exercise like swimming.
I mean, you know of other sports you can do.
Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Sarah, Can you see my opinion on this one that
that can what what what you're describing to me is
a very depressing country where people.
Speaker 15 (01:09:38):
Not people doing sports and if they injured themselves, then
then they contribute to their to their.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Well, we all contribute to CC. We all have to
contribute to I've contributed contributed.
Speaker 15 (01:09:52):
Contributing to other people's stupidity and lack of hair and
what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
But isn't the ACC the most brilliant situation because what
it does is and allows allows in a country to
be open to risk and and and if you're not
into risk and sport, then you're not going to be
open to risk and business. And so I think it's
a great thing. And it removed the ability to sue
each other, which is fantastic thing. We don't get ambulance
chases yet that.
Speaker 15 (01:10:18):
Would be good. Pike River and White Island just you know,
special examples of oh she'll be right mate, You know
it's great.
Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
She'll be right is a great attitude. No, it's not,
generally speaking, within reasons, it's a better attitude than staying
at home and doing nothing.
Speaker 15 (01:10:39):
Rules are made to be broken. She'll be right, mate,
Well I'm all right, so song, someone else is paying
for it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
So, Sarah, would you agree that a bigger risk than
the danger for contact sports in this country is the
mental health problems from kids staying at home and doom
scrolling through social media and the isolation that comes from that,
as opposed to the risk that we take when we
get out and play sport.
Speaker 15 (01:11:06):
I don't get that argument.
Speaker 10 (01:11:07):
No, don't.
Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
If you think you think, you think it's.
Speaker 15 (01:11:10):
Worse, you're going from one extreme to the other.
Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
How do you mean, well.
Speaker 15 (01:11:16):
We're staying at home isolated, playing video games all day. Yeah,
with someone who's fashion someone else's brains out.
Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Well, if you well, if you, if you, if you
make a rule, if you make a rule, if we
don't have any support for people, so poor people that
can't afford health insurance they pay for themselves, shouldn't they
shouldn't be doing sport. They should just be staying at home.
So the a SEC is a great thing that enables.
Speaker 15 (01:11:40):
You think they can do that, don't cop money that
are exercise.
Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Wow, I'm amazed that you work in contact sport, that
you work in sport, because I think I've never heard
of anyone that that works in the world of sport
that doesn't think the ACC is an amazing thing. So
that's interesting. But really appreciate you call here.
Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
I thank you, Okay, thank you, all right, have a
good afternoon, interesting discussion. Look, I can't agree, but I look,
I enjoyed that back and forward, but I cannot agree
with that. I think the system is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
My mental health has been affected by the depressing nature
of the view of the country that Sarah that takes
some of our country. What would rather people didn't go
out and place sport or rather that they were just
at home.
Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Well, the texts are coming through thack and fast about Sarah,
so I'll read some of those out very shortly. It
is a quarter to three.
Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way.
Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC Naty Innovation,
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Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Said, be good afternoon, twelve to three. Russell how are
you doing?
Speaker 7 (01:12:41):
Oh just I can't wait for you, mate. Oh that's
something terrible's happening in the street. I was sitting here
and my heartbee was doing one hundred. I'm twenty two hundred,
over four to sixty in my blood pressure. I jumped
out of the car because of what was going on.
I tore my ACL. Oh that's going to cost fifty grand. Oh,
I'm so glad we've got AC.
Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Yeah, lucky you, we got acc.
Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
Sarah when she gets locked jaw and needs a what's
she going to do? I mean, did she take a
risk assessment once?
Speaker 10 (01:13:13):
Before?
Speaker 7 (01:13:13):
She rang up on the show and talked for the
last fifteen minutes with a whole lot of gibberish. Eight
I've never heard in my entire seventy years, never heard
anything so stupid than all my life Tyler.
Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Yeah, well yeah, and mad as well. I mean, you
know that back and forth I enjoyed, but it flabbergasted
me that Sarah had no concision there that sport in general,
whether it is rugby or skateboarding or mountain biking, had
no benefit to a population in terms of health. That
blew my mind.
Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
But her argument was completely, completely stupid. Because non contact sport,
woman's soccer, woman's netbull have more ACL injuries than probably
most other non contact They just hit the floor and
a cost for an ACL for the operation plus rehab
for nine months, we're talking probably between thirty and one
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hundred grand each. That's through no fold of their own.
Just like the person who hopped in the car down
the road didn't do a risk assessment of getting in
the car to go and do their grocery shopping, pulled
out and got t boned, paraplegic. Where are the logic?
Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing. I mean, like risk.
We want people playing sport, and I think we need
to look at it in the same way exactly what
you're saying there, Russell, is that it's it's one of
the things we want people doing, and that's what the
acc there. We want people crossing roads, we want people
getting out of their cars, we want people doing stuff,
and there is a risk there. And if there's no
backup for that, like Sarah is saying that you will
(01:14:49):
have to pay for yourself, then then no one would
do anything. And we're already, in my opinion, the two
risk of her nation under under her regime rugby would disappear.
Speaker 16 (01:15:02):
And I think part of it the toilet.
Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I've certainly damaged myself on the toilet a few times.
Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Russell, thank you slipping the toilet. Yeah, well, thank you
very much. Mate. We'll let you get in the ambo
and get to the hospital and thank you. You've got acc.
Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Thanks, thank you for you call Russell. This Texi here says,
disagrees entirely with me and Russell. Matt, don't be a dick.
Go out on a Saturday Sunday and look at the
idiots who do not think. How would you feel if
you ended up after setting yourself on fire and someone
missed out because you were in Nana's hip hop Operation Beard,
Grow Up? Dennis. What I'd say to that, Dennis is yes,
(01:15:40):
Nana needs a hip hop, but also the world needs
to play sport, and kids playing sport in our country
and getting out and doing things and tramping even or running, rugby, boxing,
martial arts, whatever they want to know, sport, you name,
whatever they do is better than them sitting around and
doing nothing. And I guarantee the people that get out
(01:16:01):
and play sport and do more stuff and more successful
than life and cause more problems less problems in society
going forward.
Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
And Nana will still get a hip. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
I'll make sure Nana get to her. I'll do it myself.
I'll do the op myself, brought to a YouTube club
and sort it out.
Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Pack in the bow the issues that affect you, and
a bit of fun along the way.
Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
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Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
Have it all you talk said, be.
Speaker 17 (01:16:29):
So.
Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
This has been a controversial topic, especially the call from
Sarah who was anti acc for people that were doing,
you know, full on contact sports like rugby, skateboarding and
such this texture on nineteen nine two. Sarah wasn't saying
that about sport in general. Expremeport is what she is
referring to. You just talk over anyone who has a
perfectly legitimate difference of opinion and laugh at her. Yeah,
(01:16:51):
I did laugh at her. I work in the hospital
and see a huge cost of extreme sports accident, and
I do agree that there has to be some sort
of personality responsibility. Obviously, in general, acc is a good model,
but not everything should be covered. Of course, sport is
good for people. She wasn't saying that while she was
and you say I talked over a boy, did check
get a lot of words through? She got through a
(01:17:13):
few past the keeper. But you know, sometimes I admit
I get excited when someone's saying things and I jump
over them. But my point is if it's if you
don't some sports don't excite some kids. And as this
text are here says, my police sergeant friend did a
case study as part of his sergeancy. Over five year period,
anyone here rested between sixteen and fifty years old, it
was something like eighty seven percent were not playing sport.
(01:17:35):
Sport is a huge thing for people's developments there of
becoming bold in life. And so I would rather that
people went out and did these full on things and
tried things and risk things. And I'm happy to pay
my ac levies if it gets kids out of the
house playing playing rugby, mountain biking and all these things.
And I think the risks of people just sitting at
(01:17:56):
home is so so large in terms of mental health
and also not being productive members of society.
Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
So you know, but you're also I mean, she made
the point that if you want to do those things,
you got to pay a lot of those sporting organizations
of contact sport, whether it's rugby union or whether it's
the trapping club, the mountaineering club, they pay into acc
they pay an extra livy for all those particularly some of.
Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Them have insurance, private insurance. But the idea that we
should only have sports that sport might be boring for
especially young men are too bored. And some of those
sports like that, you know, the fighting sports and rugby
is a great way for young people to get their
aggression out and it's I personally think it's great for society.
But also I was just gonna apologize for talking over Sarah,
(01:18:39):
but I won't. I was glad and I'll do it again.
Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Well, what a great couple of hours that was, Thank
you very much. We are going to change it up
after three o'clock we're going to have a chat about
rubbish bins.
Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Yes day, rubbish bins even more exciting.
Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Whoop?
Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Get ready for that new sport and weather. Oh, it's
way great to have your company. You're listening to Matt
and Tyler. I hope you're having a great afternoon. We
certainly are.
Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Maddy
and Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo x eighty on
news Talk SEV.
Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Good afternoon, Happy Thursday to use seven past three. Hope
you having a good day. I really enjoyed that chat
last couple of hours.
Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Yeah, it's a great chat. Thank for all your feedback
or your phone calls. That's been It's been really fun.
Then we passed really fast. We're moving on to another topic.
But before we do, I've got a question for you, Tyler. Yes, please,
have you been at the air gone again? It's about
twenty five degrees in here.
Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
It just got hot and all all of a sudden.
Speaker 10 (01:19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
I thought I got that down to a nice call
sixteen degrees and someone's been mucking around with it.
Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
I do my best work at about sixteen degrees. Yeah yeah,
I like a cool yeah cool?
Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
How yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Like your brain works better when it's cold. I'm sure
you're turning it up with there you Andrew.
Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
This is why he's a good bridge at the moment.
Andrew twenty one.
Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Oh my god, it feels like about It feels like
a nice barming over here.
Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
And hone, you see them. I feel like I'm in balley.
Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Thank him, Andrew and can producer Andrew just came and Lord,
I can already feel it. That's nice.
Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Back on track. Yeah, some people are saying, so you
moved up.
Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
From the South Island and you immediately complaining about the
humidity up here.
Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Have you sort of that problem out actually before we
go to the next topic, because you were going to
build that whole system with a fan that was going
to have.
Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Some So glad you asked. I'm so glad you asked,
because no, no, I'm still sleeping in the lounds like
an absolute loser, and I'm still going to figure it out.
I rented putable weir con. It didn't work. Oh really, no,
it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Becauld you're not get to see because you have to
have a seal on the on the window.
Speaker 8 (01:20:32):
Bang on.
Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
So because I think you can get the big industrial
ones and that's probably my next step, but it's hard
to find those bad boys. But yeah, super noisy. But
you're right. If you don't get that seal absolutely perfect,
it just sucks that warmer back.
Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I need you to get aclimatized because because the problem
is here, I don't need you to get a climatized
because you've become a climatized to like really hot temperatures,
and you're running the acc too hot for me because
because your house is basically an oven.
Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
We've abandoned the second story at this point, so I
mean there's three rooms that we're not using. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Yeah, you're cooking your food up there. Yeah all right, anyway,
sorry I digress. And now the temper which is right
just perfectly in my zone zone now or feeling for
my goldilock zone for a great chat on bins.
Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Yeah, this might get me about hot under the collar. Actually,
is that the Otuu District Council or the Lakes Council
is removing ninety one public bins or they have over
the past two years, and they're looking at taking another
fifty four as it sees potential for significant savings from
encouraging people to take their own rubbish home. So get this.
(01:21:36):
The council said in December it did not expect others
or members of the community to pick up others rubbish,
but appreciated those who did, and it could provide bags
and gloves to volunteers.
Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
What as your in a perfect world, right, everyone would
take their rubbishame with them, you know, and we wouldn't
need rubbish bins on the street. No, Actually, that's not
a perfect world that the world should have. The councils
should put rubbish bins on the streets. So like if
you go to a dairy and as you're leaving and
you put your pie wrapper in it. That's a basic right.
And it's not just an issue of people taking their
(01:22:10):
rubbish home or anything. It's about a council providing the services,
the very base level services it should. I mean, what
else are they doing? What is their job? What is
their job if it doesn't include waste management.
Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Well that's a fair point because the absolute essentials are
probably water, making sure the roads are somewhat well, let's
not get into potholes each but that should be an essential. Sewage,
sewage and waste.
Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
So you know, someone can tell me what the absolute
basics of a council are and I'm sure that has
been that has been laid down in the law somewhere.
But if you're taking away rubbish bins, you better have
removed every other possible thing that you can remove from
your budget before you do that. And look, I'm a
tidy kiwi. I absolutely I grew up with be a
tidy Kiwi campaign and I would never litter. Yeah, I
(01:22:56):
would never litter.
Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
No, you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
But I do expect to have a rubbish bin to
put my stuff in to stop me litterly.
Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
But if there wasn't one, you would still take your
rubbish home, right you would say, look, there's no rubbish bin.
I'm a little bit annoyed by that because it should
be an essential from the council. But I'm not a
dirt bag, So I'm going to take my rubbish back
home and put it on my bin.
Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
I'm not going to come out of it. Just smash
my coke bottle on the ground where the rubbish bin
used to be. To make a point, take that all
a council, I think. So you know, obviously rates are
going up and that's a problem, right, and I get that,
But is it really that? Is it really the rubbish
bins and the and the empty and the rubbish bins
that's the big problem. I think there's some other waste
(01:23:39):
part in the pun to deal with before you before
you get rid of the waist management.
Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Remember those smart bins that they started to roll out
across the country, which effectively would alert the council once
they had filled up, because that was always the hard
part for councils is they couldn't have a bin guy
just going round on a going round on his root
every day saying that's still got a bit of room
left in it, that's all right for another day.
Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
There's probably a really interesting statistical study you could do
on it because you see a lot of bins. There's
a park near me and one of the bins is
always full, but there's there's bins on the way that
are completely empty. There's some bins that are just in
high high rubbish areas and obviously you know around fast
food places, you know that that's a that's a real issue,
isn't it right? Yeah, But the idea that people are
(01:24:26):
just not going to litter because you don't have a bin,
I mean the council is going to have to clean
it up anyway. It's just going to be on the ground.
Because not everyone's like you, me and our lovely listeners
out there that would pick up their rubbish. Some people
are just going to dump it because there's not a
rubbish but there. Although I will say some people don't
rubbish will just drop there, will drop drop, their packet
of chips bag like one meter away from the rubbit exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
But I just think sometimes dirt bags are going to
continue to be dirt bags, like say, dog walkers, and
I think dog people most of the time they are
the best of us. I'm a dog person, you're a
dog person. A lot of New Zealanders are dog people.
Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
But I think my dog Cone is listening, you're a
good boy lessons. I leave the radio on so you
can hear me.
Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
So he's the best of us.
Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Good boy dog, your dog, golly doggie Colin, good doggy
dog dog dog.
Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Got Colin is the best of us. But for people
like you, who has to pick up Colin's droppings, Yeah,
because Colin can't do it himself. Obviously you would take that.
If you couldn't find a bin, you would still take
that back home and put that in a bin.
Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
But for a lot of people are like one hundred,
he just bag it up and drop.
Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
It where it was.
Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
That's exactly what a lot of them do.
Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
I've actually seen that, and I can't believe it. I
can't believe when I see get the arm going just
fling it into the bush. I see them on burns
so someone they've done half the job. They've bagged up
the dog leaving and they've tied it, not on it,
and then they've just left it where the dog did it.
That's not you're not completing the job. That's not the
point of what's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
It's actually worse than just leaving the dog pooh by
itself and placed.
Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
At least nature will deal with it if you just
leave it where it is. Yeah, so what's your opinion
on this?
Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
I actually think we should take more responsibility on taking
home our own rubbish if we go to the beach
or these beautiful lakes in this case and wrote it
all this was lake okadka. I've removed the bins. But
if you go to that beautiful lake with your family
and you have a picnic, take your bloom and rubbish
home with you. Why do you need a bin to
do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
This isn't the first episode of The Madmen I've talked
about on the show before where they just go to
the picnic and when they leave they just pull they
pull the rug up and leave the rubbish there. Because
people didn't even think about that back in that era.
But yeah, no, I get that. I get that idea,
and I love that idea, and maybe you should bring
you know, leave only footprints to take any photos. Agree
(01:26:39):
without one hundred percent. But not everyone's going to do that.
You have you You sometimes just have to cater for
some people that are that are going to be dirty dogs.
Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Yeah, well humans are
incredibly flawed.
Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah, not me, but other human I just think. But actually, no, no, no, no,
even just on a basic the council gives you the
bins because so you don't have to take it home.
You pay rates. So so when you're out and about
and you buy an ice cream and you want to
do something with the rapper, then the council has a
been there for you to put it in. It's not
you don't have to, it's not the most sure, it's virtuous.
Is it any more virtuous to take it home than
put it in the But I don't know, you're confusing me.
Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Now, let's get into this. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Do the council owe us our blimen bins
or should you just take a little bit of personal
responsibility and take home your KFC rapper nine two nine
two is the text number. It's a quarterbas three news
talk sect that we've been talking about the removal of
rubbish bins up and down the country. In the latest
case Road to Rua that I've removed ninety one public
(01:27:34):
bins over the past two years and look set to
take another fifty four bins away. Matt, you're pretty strong
on this. That we pay our rates, that's the that's
the bare bones essential, that councilship providers waste disposal.
Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
That one hundred percent. You know, you need someone to
put your stuff. You know, we want to be tidy kiwis,
but we need somewhere to put our stuff, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Yeah, So where do you sit on this?
Speaker 14 (01:27:57):
Hi?
Speaker 8 (01:27:58):
Hi?
Speaker 14 (01:27:58):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (01:28:00):
Where do I say?
Speaker 20 (01:28:01):
I've already bought this up with our local council.
Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
What we're about to be careful, Okay, I've.
Speaker 20 (01:28:08):
Got properties and a I know what properties in the
white ketto. I won't say too much because you won't
like who I am, no name, but yeah, I brought
it up. I actually took a video of the absolute
selth and trash in the kids park overflowing, steering everywhere,
(01:28:32):
and the near from the town met me and gave
me the burbles that they don't have people to do
the job. Now, I'm not from either one of those places.
They're not poor towns, but also bought it up at
the local school. Hey, the schools for the rubbish, there's
no opens and the schools either the schools primary schools
(01:28:55):
have to take their rubbish home in their bags and.
Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
They and what you're saying is they don't if there's
rubbish everywhere.
Speaker 20 (01:29:03):
And we've got oh you won't like me again, but
we've got a farm. Kids take this stuff home. We
put it at the wheely bin. We don't get a
council win in the country. We pay private.
Speaker 8 (01:29:13):
We've got a bin.
Speaker 20 (01:29:14):
I pay numerous rates, numerous you know titles. So yep,
we got to pay for that to be packed up. Again,
I have ab and b so those little bins that
you get, people aren't trained how to take rubbish.
Speaker 13 (01:29:30):
From or whatever.
Speaker 20 (01:29:32):
So we pay for a private then in town. So yeah,
I pay a lot of the council bins, and yet
I pay an awful lot of bingbo is tooth looking
a lot of properties. So what are councils doing with
our money?
Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Exactly?
Speaker 20 (01:29:52):
So you part with no shade, Yeah, our most vulnerable.
But get back to rubbish.
Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Well that the thing is so yeah, So you're saying
that there's rubbish bins that are that are overflowing.
Speaker 13 (01:30:06):
So before you stop child's part.
Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
So every if before a council stops having bins out
there and emptying their bins, they would have to stop
so many other things. I can think of so many
other things that you'd put a stripe through in the budget.
They would have to be doing absolutely nothing, No thrills,
no nothing, no special projects.
Speaker 20 (01:30:32):
That some of the towns aren't.
Speaker 8 (01:30:35):
Look, I give people and our children and these more.
Speaker 20 (01:30:39):
Less affluent areas because obviously you're I'm passionate about children
on the younger. Our future. Education is our future, it's
our change, it's our key. Education is the biggest thing.
You teach these kids to be tiny kiwis.
Speaker 15 (01:30:54):
But where they're going to put their rubbish?
Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Exactly?
Speaker 20 (01:30:56):
We have the shopkeepers, our coffee cups. When we're in
the places like farmers, there's no way to put your rubbish.
Our kids stand there with rubbish. Where do we put it?
Speaker 8 (01:31:05):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
So I agree with both of your at point, But
isn't there something we used to be a lot better
with taking personal responsibility of our rubbish. I would argue
that even fifteen twenty years ago, certainly we're a lot
more tiny kiwis than we are today. Seems to just
be a lot of little bugs and deep bags out
there now that just throw their letter willing lily whether
there's a rubbish bin or not.
Speaker 20 (01:31:28):
They're not doing any sports though, I've got ah, I'm
not a serrah.
Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
But shouldn't we.
Speaker 12 (01:31:38):
Go on you?
Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
But isn't there something about teaching kids to take responsibility
for their rubbish?
Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Yeah, but you can teach them with the.
Speaker 15 (01:31:48):
Pitability and respect.
Speaker 20 (01:31:49):
They don't respect themselves, their environment, their property, or anything
about themselves. Respect is the biggest thing we've lost in
the last twenty years.
Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
I'm sorry, Well, what i'd say you.
Speaker 20 (01:32:01):
Actually, no snacking Cayman has gone around.
Speaker 19 (01:32:07):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
What what I'm saying is that that you say you
say til Actually I'm talking to Tyler here about you
jumping when you need to so. But so you're saying
that that we're we're losing the tidy kiwi thing, you know,
and putting rub But the but the image of the
tyn kiwi thing is that you're putting it in the
bin that that's the tidy kiwi thing is you have
the rubbish and you put it in the bin.
Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
So you can't with house rubbish, but you could take
it to your own.
Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Put.
Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
The amount of people that I've seen when those bins
have been overflowing and they still think they're doing the
right thing. It's when you're at home. Indeed, council you
are where. Well, someone's got to empty the bin, but
the council doesn't, so they get rid of the bins.
Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
That the point.
Speaker 8 (01:32:50):
The point is that they haven't got the people to
do it.
Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
They told me, But my point is they show the.
Speaker 20 (01:32:55):
Councils they don't.
Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
What can you do?
Speaker 20 (01:32:57):
You give me down there, you show them. Well we
get talking mark drives from you know, I'm talking Tongata
many odaha, Yeah, I'm just talking one area. Well, thank
you so much, talking about r They've got the Flesher's Park, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Parks, yeah, lovely place. Just no more bins.
Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Yeah, that's thank you for you, Thank you children, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
I believe that children are a future. Teach them well
and let them lead the way, show them all the
beauty they possess. I'm a sense of pride to make
these See. So you're jumping ahead in the argument, Tyler,
because you're saying that people should take the rubbers shown right,
because the councils aren't emptying the bins. Yes, I'm saying
(01:33:51):
that the council should provide the bins and empty the bins,
and if they don't do that, then they should. They
should be cutting nearly everything else. That should be one
of the absolute core things they do, that they have
bins out in the community, on the streets and the
parks where and empty them and regularly so they don't overflow.
Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
And that's where the stale mate is happening, isn't it,
Because everyone's crying about the rates going up too much,
and the council is saying, we can't employ bin me
and any boars, so we're going to take away the
rubbish bins. And I tend to agree with you. But
as long as you get everybody to say, hey, counsel
forget about the other stuff, forget about Christmas in the park,
just give us our blooming bins.
Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Yes, because I think councils counselors often get in there
and they have their dream projects, right, and they want
to make a mark and they want to have a
some kind of a monument to themselves and what they've achieved,
and getting bins cleared and new bins isn't good enough
for them.
Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Not sexy.
Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
But as we say, there needs to be some base
things that councils do and before they do anything else.
And having bins around for people to put rubbish bin
and then emptying the bins is one of them.
Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty are you on
Met's side here? It is twenty five past three back
in the monc.
Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh one hundred
and eighty eighty on us talk ZB Good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
We're having a heat discussion about rubbish bins, boy.
Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Boy bins, Tyler. I just I don't know. I can't
even look at you with your your opinion on this.
Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Really upset you, isn't it. It's really you should screen
to clarify.
Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
So Rothro is looking at taking away it's bins, right yep.
And people are really asked just to take the rubbis show. Yeah,
and you think that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
And they're going to provide bags and gloves if you
go into.
Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
The council to get them. If you want to pick
up the do their job for them, they will give
you a bag and some gloves if you're going to
do their job for them. Yeah, you know, well I'll
give the council a headphone and some headphones and a microphone.
They can come and do my job for me. They'll
probably do a better job.
Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Well, here's a good text here, guys. I don't know.
Maybe McDonald's and KFC and all of those private businesses
that provide all that rubbish should take some more responsibility
for their customers being toiled.
Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Look, I agree with that. I agree with that that
that you know around and Lock. I'm a huge fan
of those organizations. And but there's a lot of rubbish
around there, a lot of rubbish, and you know, you know,
you you could have just lines and lines and lines
of bins that the council would have to remove. But
I think, you know, you know, maybe they I'm sure
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they do to a certain extent because I love the
need and Park. Right now, after a big concert, Eden
Park sends out people to pick up the rubbih off
the streets.
Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Yep, that's council workers, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
I don't think what's that volunteers? No, the council is
very hostile to Eden Park. They're trying and make it
as hard as they can to do anything. But no,
they send people out, you know. And actually there's a
guy on my street that goes and picks up rubbish.
I watch them and I respect him. Is that what
he does all day? Just he volunteers all day. He
just goes out and picks up some rubbish. Him he's
a great key with Yeah. I think he's got a problem,
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but the problem's helping me anyway. That's that's by the by.
Let's get back to this topic. So rubbish bins. Should
councils be putting rubbish bins on the streets and in
our parks and emptying them? Is that one of their
core principles of being a council?
Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Pay your rates for love to hear from you on this,
Just quickly text to get our guys at work in
Japan they have no roachpins. I'm going to dig into that. Morris,
how are you.
Speaker 8 (01:37:17):
Very good? I can't believe Tyler, you're so woke about this.
This is ridiculous. We pay rates for core services, you know, sewage, water, rubbish,
all that stuff. Yep, my rate to fifty nine thousand
a year.
Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
And you know how to get for that Jesus fifty thousand.
How many properties have got farm? Oh okay, right, that's yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 8 (01:37:38):
So we get zero on metal road, no rubbish, no water,
no sewers, know nothing. And now I go to the
park in town with the kids and then we've got
to take a rubbish home.
Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Yeah, that's a good.
Speaker 8 (01:37:51):
You know how much they're going to say by doing
ninety bins, you know how much self save a year,
sixty hours a years. All are going to say that's
how to sthetic the count They should stop having the
sausage rolls at their meetings and save more money. No
more coffees. Take the coffee machine under the council. Get
the free coffees. If you want to say there there on.
Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
The incident, they're on the on the greggs. They're better
be on the red ribbond roast.
Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
And there's no more rolls at lunch time?
Speaker 14 (01:38:18):
Is it?
Speaker 8 (01:38:20):
If you be to one of those council meetings, all
the club sand which.
Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Is at all that stuff, shout out to the ladies
and Morris before before you cut the bins. You should
cut a lot of things like bens. You're putting bins
out and evening bens should be should be one of
the base rock things. You know, you basically you know
you basically don't have any council chambers before you go there.
Speaker 8 (01:38:44):
But you know all those health and safety half which
they had running around, the health and safety chicks they
had like sus been of them running round just in
west Auckland. Get rid of half and then you don't
even admits the over police of you're talking out before.
And that's what waynes On.
Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
You pay your rates right, and you pay quite a
lot of rates because you've got a big farm. The
council provides you a been correct at your farm. You've
got to we've been there that the council provides.
Speaker 8 (01:39:07):
You did nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Well, what do you mean you don't get a bin
from your council at your home.
Speaker 8 (01:39:14):
No, we're down a middle road, like twenty k's down
the middle road. We get not nothing zero. We have
no sewage because we set the tank. We have no
water because we're on rain water, right, we have nothing zero? Well,
no really but no nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Well, I can't defend your counsel Morris, I think I
think we're all ira your situation.
Speaker 8 (01:39:32):
It's it's absued and if you look at every farm
and the HMA's on the same we get nothing out
of it. But you go to town and watch kid's
play sport. Now they're taking then other sim's away.
Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't think anyone can argue
against your situation, Morris. I mean is what Yeah, Kerry Cary,
if I see a.
Speaker 8 (01:39:51):
Kid in the park and they pick that up, mother,
than that boon. You know, that's how you live in
because someone tells you what to do.
Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Okay, that was the whole Tody the whole Tody Key
We campaign, Morris was about putting things in public bins.
That's that's how you don't listen. You don't lets her
by putting it in the burns. I mean, good luck
getting kids to take all their rubbish home and you're
you're you're in your amazing world, Titler that you're talking about.
Who are these kids that fly in on unicorns and
take their rubbish home?
Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
But how many bins do we need in life?
Speaker 9 (01:40:21):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Are we going to have bins in the back country
of New Zealand for all the hunters are out.
Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
The amount of bons that we regularly have in the
town until they started taking them out would be good.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
So you want that ninety one?
Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
I want the bins I had in the in the
early two thousands. But hey, thank you so much for
you call Morris. When we get back there, there's good.
Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
We go to the news here, do we are we
going to new Yeah, we've got headlines coming up here.
Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
We go to headlines up. There's there's a lot of
thoughts coming through on not only this burns boy, oh boy,
this is a hot topic, but also on wrapping dog
leavings by biodegradable products and plastic and leaving it for
a thousand years.
Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
This is going to be good. It's twenty seven or four.
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Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. Sorry, we just we're having
a massive debate off here about rubbish bins. We're going
to bring it on here right now. I haven't changed,
so I haven't changed my opinion yet. I think we
need to do better to take some personal responsibility.
Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
So your opinion as just to recap your shaky shaky
logical ground, but is that the council should not have
bins and should not empty them for people. We're talking
about bins on the street and parks and stuff, but
people should just take their own rubbish home.
Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely right that they give me a bin.
The council gives me a bin at home right now. Yeah,
And if I go down to the beach for a
lovely picnic with Pepper and Mave, then I'll bring my
CAFC wrapper back, or indeed if I eat it near CAFC,
which I quite often do. In the car park, We're
just going to use epen. No, that's a private enterprise,
all right, Okay, okay, you've got some texts there. Look
(01:43:15):
I'm getting an absolute spanking and I'm loving it. You know,
I been wrong with a spanking every now and again.
Speaker 8 (01:43:19):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Nine two nine two is the text number. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty as number. Bins are also
useful for tourists, especially if they are traveling on a
bus and don't have room for their rubbish. Exactly, they
want us to use public transport difficult take rubbish and
two types of clothes and shopping cars are good for that.
So that's a really good point. What about people that
aren't driving around and your fancy hybrid you know that
(01:43:41):
can put their KFC in the back seat and leave
it there for two years.
Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Just get a car, you know, if you live in Auckland,
eighty is terrible And.
Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Onto the topic we were talking about before about a
dog leavings and how there's this new thing where there
are no bins where people will bag up there the
dog leaving but just leave it on the boom where
it would have been, which is hugely not the point,
aside from wrapping a biodegradable pooh and a bag that
lasts one thousand years. Council got rid of the bins
in our park and people just shuck their dog grows
(01:44:08):
with the bit used to be.
Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
Yeah, I concede that point. I mean that blows my
mind when you see the plastic bag full of dog
pool in the middle of the bush. So someone must
have got the swing on with the arm and just
flung that into the bush.
Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Just pick it up your hand and have it into
the bush. Do you know what I like? I like
the cute little dog shaped dog leaving bins that you
get in dog parks, the green ones and they're a
shape of a doggy.
Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
That's cute. You feel home when you see how you mate?
Speaker 9 (01:44:38):
Hey?
Speaker 18 (01:44:38):
Yeah mate, Yeah. I in a major retail complex in
the South Island, and I want to say weird. Until recently,
we never had rubbish chins. Just recently put someone who
is about ten businesses where I am.
Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
I am.
Speaker 18 (01:44:57):
One night I was biking home in this car pulled
up and emptied its household rubbish into a trolley. The
reason we don't have the reason we do have things
was because of that. Members of the public are disgusting.
They just rock up with their household rubbish and leave
it in a trolley and drive wolf. I caught this
(01:45:18):
person one night when I was leaving work and I
said to them, and they said, who cares, it's not
my problem and just drove off.
Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Oh you met, Like, what do you mean like a
shopping trolley?
Speaker 18 (01:45:29):
Yeah, they just nted their household rubbish into a shopping
trolley and left and drove home.
Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
Ye.
Speaker 18 (01:45:35):
People don't People don't care. Guys. You know you can
say what you're like, and that's why. But that now
we have a couple of rubbish tins and our complex
and they're always full. The worst one I've ever seen
is in our complex. As I said, I don't want
to tell you which store I work at. The worst
(01:45:55):
one I ever saw was at Christmas. This family wrapped
up in its and its wagon the baby that obviously
done business. They cleaned the nappies up and chapped in
their he's on the ground and drove off.
Speaker 8 (01:46:10):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
People disgusting.
Speaker 18 (01:46:14):
They couldn't care this.
Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Thank you so much for your call, John. Yeah, I
mean that's not that's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
That is disgusting. Was he becking you or me? I mean,
I think that was a that was almost a sidersh
it was. It was disgusting.
Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
I think was a plague on all of society. I mean,
but no kind of becking me, because my point is
your point is everyone should take their rubbish home. And
and what he's saying is people are just dumbing nappies everywhere.
Those people are never going to take You know that
that particular family's ever going to take their rubbish home
because the council hasn't provided a rubbish pin. But there's
a slightly better chance that they're going to put that
(01:46:47):
nappy in the rubbish pin if there's if there's one
one one there, I guess yeah, yeah, slightly.
Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Is better than nothing. I suppose one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call Vicky. How are
you hi.
Speaker 19 (01:47:00):
I've got a couple of points. I'd better say them
before I forget, and then we can discuss first. I've
been professional ninety for years, find out in the parks,
out in the battle with little ones the whole time.
I'm a mungray Bridge and we are being encroached South Auckland.
People are absolutely freaking disgusting. But it has been It's
(01:47:20):
not just New taking the bins away. I think it
has been a policy that has been happening because New
I've been collecting rubbish. I'm one of those terrible people.
I've been collecting rubbish for probably fifteen years along Wallace
Thrown and Mungray Bridge, which is where you go from
the airport to come around to get on the motorway.
So it's not local and walk my dog, wear gloves,
(01:47:44):
take a bin and you know, a.
Speaker 15 (01:47:46):
Bag and collect it.
Speaker 19 (01:47:47):
But new new bus stops that are put in as
a policy no longer have rubbish bins. People do not
get off the bus and not put They just throw
it on the ground. Yeah, so it's we're being told
as a nation to change our own headspace. But I
(01:48:10):
am very much of the belief because I'm a rape
prayer that rubbish is one of your basics.
Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Agreed, it's one of the basic jobs thing.
Speaker 19 (01:48:20):
Yeah, And my second thing was I used to see
the rubbish being collected among Rootbridge every second day along
the waterfront. I would then, as I would continue walking,
see them park up and sleep.
Speaker 8 (01:48:33):
For three hours.
Speaker 19 (01:48:36):
So my issue with the freaking Waine thought, your workers out,
don't take the bins out, make it efficient before you
start ripping bins out. And also have you guys you
know obviously you know I saw where all the bins
were tipped.
Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Yeah, yeah, but it would go into my argument. Yeah,
you're quite right, But wouldn't they go into my argument?
VICKI and I suppose where I'm getting not confused. But
but there was a time not that long long ago
where we were far tidy. There wasn't as much letter around.
We took a little bit more personal responsibility as.
Speaker 19 (01:49:14):
I'm a nanny and my little girl she wanted to
pick up everything and put it in the bin. That
is one of the things we did. In fact, I
used to take gloves because she was so fanatic, because
we would be in tidy keepers. You're not going to
pick up crap and put it in your pockets because
that is growth.
Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Yeah, double beds and that is wrong.
Speaker 19 (01:49:34):
Yeah, you can't double bag stuff because there are no
more plastic bags when we don't go out with plastic bags.
Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Yeah, but I'll VICKI, but can I just go back
to something you said before before when you said one
of you one of the one of those terrible people
that picks up rubbish. You're one of the great people.
Do you mean that's a fantastic thing?
Speaker 19 (01:49:53):
But you already said no, I've already heard. Oh you
picked up rubbish's probably a bit weird.
Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
No, no, no, no, I said, I really appreciate it.
It is but weird, but I appreciate the weirdness. Some
weirdness is great, Vicky. Some weirdness the same way.
Speaker 19 (01:50:07):
Every day, and it's just and it's night trus it's
you know, there's gas canisters. It is not stuff you
want kids to come across.
Speaker 15 (01:50:20):
Anyway, it's past a.
Speaker 19 (01:50:21):
Whole load I want in this walk, I walk past
four bus stops. One bus stop has a bin, it
is full, it gets emptied every day, and the other
three bus stops which are new and they always get
smashed up because they're in South Auckland and people have
no respect and it is disgusting the behavior around here
(01:50:44):
near my doggie Park, Creamery Road by the airport, massive
dumping ground. People just don't seem to be intelligent enough
to know when there's an inorganic so just lazy. If
I really really got into it, I could probably go
through it and send information to the council so they
could go after people. But I'm not that upsets it
(01:51:07):
just annoys me.
Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
I will think a lot of people Vicky I get it,
and I'll tell you what picking up rubbish as Vicky
does and the guy near my house is as addictive.
Because my son was doing the William Pike Challenge and
intermediate well, you have to do a certain amount of
community service and we decided to do a lot of
rubbish picking up and it feels good. We were going
out with bags picking up rubbish in the community and
(01:51:28):
you get to the point where you're really excited. If
we found some rubbish over there by the railway tracks.
I got some rubbis because we had a certain amount
of bags we need to pick up. It's very satisfying.
Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
I can see your eyes lined up when you're talking.
Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
About we got a stick with a with a nail
on the end of it to poke the rubbish and
put it in the bag. It's you've got to be careful.
It's a slippery slope to just becoming one of those
people that can't walk around without picking up rubbish. Well,
look slippery slope. But we need more of them. But
but I started just doing it on my own time
outside of the William Pike Challenge when my son had
got the award. Yeah, it's a slippery slide's adictive key.
Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
We were doing that, and I bet you took that
rubbish home, didn't you. One hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call fourteen to four.
Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Sa'd be hate a topic going on around bins here,
and I thought they're looking at getting rid of those
bins that you have in parks. And on the streets
and asking people just take the whole rubbish home. Tyler
thinks is a great idea and that we should all
just take a rubbish home. Heaves in a fantasy world.
This text here here, I agree with you. Guys are
going in circles. How about getting the dickhead from the
council on your shoulder? Grillhem, Come on, lads, cheers John,
(01:52:41):
that's a good point. Why don't we have the dickhead
on the councils? Running out of time? The chief the
textas said, Matt, you're not a tidy kiwi when you
go to the movies. Can you move your You've you've
covered up my thing I'm reading there, Tyler, thanks mate, Matt,
you're not a tidy kiwi when you go to the
movies you leave your food rubbish at your seat rather
than taking it to the bin on your way out
from Paul, I've changed. I didn't know that you had
(01:53:02):
to or that it was a good thing to do,
but I took my son to see nos Feratu the
other day. Fantastic movie. You've seen nos Farrada. It's about terrifying,
It's about nos FERRADI, the vampire right you know, it's
a remake of the movie from the nineteen twenties. Great movie, fantastic,
incredible performances. It looks because of our discussion on news
talks'd be where you pointed out that you're supposed to
(01:53:22):
take care. I never knew. I thought you just left
your rubbish there. I I made my son and me
take pick up all our popcorn stuff and take them
to the rubbish at the movies. Yeah, because I thought, yeah,
you're right. Watch it's some minimum wage person working at
this movie theater have to pick up my rubbish anyway.
So Paul, I'm a changed man that's doing it now.
Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Yeah, And I think that proves my point a little bit. George,
you're going to lift the leads on the bins thing.
You've got some inside and knowledge to you.
Speaker 9 (01:53:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:53:47):
Well, we didn't really have a problem a year ago
until the councils started taking out all the bins. The
council started taking out all the bins because they wanted
to save money. The letter hasn't reduced in any way,
shape or form. So all that letters now have been
put into the remaining few bins that are left. They're
all over flowing and the Caporal Council contractors who are
contractors that empty these bins and the bus stops and
the the Chalunce centers and what have you, aren't being
(01:54:09):
paid anymore. They were contracted to empty two thousand bins
once a day every day. There's now only a thousand bins.
Those bins are overflowing. The council won't give them any
more money. So they're not getting emptied twice today, only
that once.
Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
And this is this is this, this is Awkland. Yeah yeah,
yeah yeah, and so is right. We're looking good of
all of their bins. I should know this.
Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Well, how many bins have they got? So they've got
rid of ninety one and that seems like a lot
of bends. But that's not they're not stopping there. They've
got another fifty four that they want to take out of.
Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
The because yeah, I mean, it's crazy, you're not solving
a problem.
Speaker 6 (01:54:46):
Council Orld Council contractors have put in their price to
empty x amount of bins. The council have taken that
many buns out but haven't given them any more money,
but expecting them to still keep those bends clean and
tidy and empty, and saying we'll go and eady them
twice today and the council contractors are going. But you're
not giving us any more money. So that's thinking in
do we can't afford it?
Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's stupid logic. Well, one of the
basic things is you put bins so people can be tidy. Key,
we can put their rubbish in the bins, and you
put enough bin so they don't overflow, and you put
enough people on emptying the bins that the bins don't overflow.
It's basic things that council needs to do. And as
I said before, and I keep repeating, so many other
things they should cut before they cut that.
Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Ye, George, thank you very much. I don't think I've
had one person agree with me throughout the last forty
five minutes. We're about to wrap this up. Is this
the hell I'm going to die on in the long
long term? I don't think so, but I'm not going
to change my view. Personal responsibility should be encouraged, and
it should be it shouldn't just be up to the
council to sort out our dirty.
Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
Paying our rates. So they've got to do something. But
I would like to finish with something off topic. Here
and it's slightly off the topic on the bins. Do
you remember the song My old Man's a dustman. He
wears a dustman's hat, he wearscore bloomy trousers, and he
lives in the council flat.
Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
No, but I want more of it.
Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
Yeah, I've been thinking about that song for the last time.
Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
We'll try and find that song back in the mome.
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