Full Show Podcast: 24 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Talk said, be afternoon to you. Welcome into Friday's show.
Really good to have your company. I hope you're doing
pretty well if you're listening in the country here doing Matt, I'm.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Doing very well. Hey, tell you what's interesting. And a
lot of people have had experience with this when you're
getting something done at your house and the you know,
plywood gets removed and you see the bones yep, and
you find that someone's done some pretty pretty funny stuff
in there sometime in the history. I actually said this
before when I was doing my other bathroom, that this

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kind of a message that's sent from the past to
you in the present, Yes, which is that I I'm
a bit of a crazy person and I'm just going
to do a half.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Fast job inside the walls.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
I'm just going to check this out. Yeah, yeah, the
best way I can think out. There's no real strategy here.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
You showed me some of the pictures before and yeah,
there's some interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah ranging stuff. So you know the some of the
skeleton might have to be rebuilt in the house. But
that interesting, I guess back way back in the day.
So if you've got an older house, my house was
built in the nineteen thirty is the new house. Yep.
You know it was probably a bit more cavalier, right,
so you'd be like, you'd have another pop out, another
five kids, and you'd say, well, a bit of put

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a lean to on the front of the house to
sleep them.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
And yep, so it was sort of what have we
got lying arounds? Yeah, yeah, that'll do.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
It's sort of Jeck saw it together. See how it
holds up.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know, still going well though, you know what's there
at nineteen thirty, so some quick calculation there about ninety
six years old.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, going well.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, good times, good times.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Going well for a pretty uh it's just a creative job,
nicely said.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Right on to today's show, it is a big one
for you. After three thirty, we've got New Zealander of
the Week, as we always do on Friday. Very excited
about that. But we've also got in studio award winning
film editor Brian Sure He is behind shows such as
Outrageous Fortune and blockbuster hits such as The Evil Dead

(02:23):
and The Evil Dead Rises. But his latest film that
he's been editing is Lee Cronin's The Mummy, which is terrifying.
But it's going to be fascinating to have a chat
with Brian Sure, who will be in studio to talk
with us about how he helped put together that incredible
film that is after three point thirty.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, a terrifying film, it is, but great New Zealander,
one of our greatest editors ever and one of the
most talented people in our film and television industry.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, looking forward to having a chat with Brian Sure
after three thirty. After three o'clock, we want to discuss
David Cymore's idea to boost financial literacy among young people.
So this is giving every year eleven student five hundred
bucks to invest. The proposal would see around sixty students
put through a structured program, starting with low risk options
like tom deposits.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
They're moving into.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Manage funds and very interesting idea.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah, five hundred bucks.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Some of them will day trade it away, yep.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Some of them will would you know, be sensible, but
you think that they'd learn a lesson. Absolutely, Yeah, yeah,
I mean it's quite a lot of money though, wasn't
it five hundred times? What would it be sixty thousand
each year? I mean, I don't know. I'm just pulling
that number out of my butt around how many people
in that particular year of school across the nation at

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any given.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Time, Yeah, but a lot of lessons for those kemps.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Well, one thing's for sure.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
It's a good idea to learn some kind of financial
literacy at some point in your life, and earlier rather
than later is a good plan.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I learned it far too late, but that is after
three o'clock, after two o'clock. We do want to talk
about Apple products on the back of Tim Cook's departure
as CEO, but obviously he has had remo arkable success
as a hit of that company. When Cook succeeded Steve
Jobs in twenty eleven, many dealted him because he lacked
jobs famously harsh style when dominating personality. But instead Cook

(04:18):
lad with a calmer, more collaborative approach and oversaw enormous growth,
turning Apple into one of the world's most valuable companies
in the world. But we want to discuss with you.
When it comes to Apple products, Are you all in
or do you think they are over priced status symbols.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yeah, it's an interesting one.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I think the professor Scott Galloway described it as this
Apple have found a way to sell Toyota numbers at
Ferrari prices. It's a great way to put it.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
And I'm just sitting here thinking, am I all in
an Apple?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I've got it. I've got my MacBook sitting here reasoning you.
I've got my phone I five phone at bought in
the last year, and I've got an Apple Watch. So
I'm definitely all on it now.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
That's all in? Yeah, yeah, and there's no going back
for you.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
I'm not sure I feel about it.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
You're well connected into the Apple system.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
I think co Pilot will keep it. A lot of
people that are on Apple ever going to Microsoft at
this stage. What's happened with co pilot and Microsoft. It's
not good. Massive phone, God, not good.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
It's not good.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
But yeah, I mean very expensive products, although they have
just dipped the toe into a more affordable laptop situation
and some of their phones are a little bit cheaper.
But generally speaking, you've got to say, a hugely successful
companies selling very expensive products that are ubiquitous. Yep, around

(05:33):
the shop, aren't they round about? They certainly around the
tracks yep.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
So we'll get your thoughts on that after two o'clock
because right now we want to discuss this research out
from the Hell and Clark Foundation. So claims the idea
that if you work hard you'll be able to make
a better life for yourself is actually breaking down in
our society. The are the words they use, but here
are the figures of the people who answer the question
on hard work. New Zealanders who think that fell from
fifty one percent and twenty twenty four to forty five

(05:58):
percent in twenty twenty five. So just under half of
Kiwis think that working hard does not get you ahead
in life.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Hard work brings a better life.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
That's the question, right, So, and the way they've worded
the question is quite interesting, isn't it, Tyler? So, in
this study and the survey, as they always do, their
biases and the answer they want leaks into the question
that they ask. So the question they actually asked was
New Zealand as a land of So you decide how
much you agree with this you know, as one of
these surveys go new Zealand is a land of economic

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opportunity where in the long run hard work brings a
better life.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
It's a very strange question to ask.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
So New Zealand is a land of economic opportunity, so
you're already framing them to look at it like that, right,
New Zealand is a land of economic opportunity. Do you
agree with that or not? You know, obviously, in a
struggling economy as we have at the moment, you might
think of New Zealand isn't an opportunity at the moment?
Compared to what is the question? Or where in the

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long run hard work brings a better life? It's two questions.
It's effectively two questions. I've tried to shoehorn it. It's
a framing within their ideological view of the world at
the start and the current zeigeist of political discussion. And
then they've asked their question, right, yeah, So you know,
could you not just ask the question does hard work

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bring a better life? If you really wanted the answer
to what people think about it? Yes, Why do you
have to add New Zealand as a land of economic
opportunity where in the long run, hard work brings a
better life you And then you put the results get
published and they're saying that forty five percent of people
don't think that working hard brings you know, economic rewards anymore.
It's not really exactly the question that they've asked. They've

(07:43):
muddied the waters quite a bit there. But anyway, let's
not go into that. Question. We want to talk about
today is do you think that hard work is the
way to get ahead?

Speaker 7 (07:51):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Or there's another way to get ahead now? Or it
doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah, those are really the questions, aren't they?
A eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
They should have been the question they asked in that
particular survey, but we will ask it on their behalf.
So tell us what you think, Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call nine too?
Is hard work the way to improving your life?

Speaker 6 (08:12):
Really?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Keen to hear from you? It is fourteen past one back.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
For shortly the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 3 (08:25):
Be seventeen past one. So do you think hard work
can help you get ahead in life. The Helen Clark
Foundation asked a very different type of question, but they
it was a similar theme, and they found that forty
five percent of kiwi's say that hard work doesn't get
them ahead.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
So do you disagree, Yeah, let's.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Talk to Aaron. Aaron, welcome to the show, guys.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
I'm picking most of your forty five percent, probably on
the benefit so they wouldn't be able to kind of comment,
or they haven't put in enough hard work themselves. But absolutely,
hard work will get you a head in life, whether
you're working for someone else, working in your job, or
the late DJs can get the big shows on the

(09:10):
afternoon and zed and working once.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Well, we're working very hard, Aaron.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Yeah, well at some point, yeah, yeah, I mean you
can say that lightly, Matte, But there's plenty of times
in your career where you've worked with Garsoff, you've looked
at what everyone else is doing and thought, I'll do more,
I'll go further, I'll go harder, and I'll get more.
And that's why you're there, That's why Hoskin's there, That's
why the best sales rep in housing I think is
Andrew Bailey now here in Kross. You can't tell them

(09:41):
by being a nice guy. But yeah, but you kevin
been lazy either, And you just can't get anywhere in
life without working. I work seven days a week for
about eighty hours, and I can sustain that by doing
very different jobs. You know, my main day jobs as
city councilor. I got to build a minigolf parktor in

(10:01):
Covid because I was bored, and then I got there's
a business. I've run shows, do shows, and crists do
shows out of town, just so a whole mixer thing.
And that means you can keep working. But if you
did only one job, it'd be hard to do eighty
hours a week. I do understand that mentally, but farmers do.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Describe your mini golf course. It sounds interesting.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
It's got full sized dinosaurs, so it's the largest dinosaur
attraction in you Some we got in a par road
in christ Church.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Oh yes, yep, well, yes, yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
I love a dinosaur.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I love a dinosaur mini golf course. I love a
mini golf course, particularly a dinosaur mini golf course.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
There was a market there Aeron once they got rid
of the pirate ship mini golf course you were, you
were a right to swoop in.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yes, yeah, And you know people kids just love dinosaurs,
and so we put in a dinosaur maze, and we
got dinosaur digs, and we've got dinosaur rides, and we've
got jeeps like the Jurassic Pack jeeps, and so, you know,
it was during COVID. I could have just said at
home like everyone else, but I was going to go army.
You couldn't do shows. I need to be two meters
apart and things. So it was a case of what

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do I do? And so did that and made a
wheelchair friendly as well. It's the only one in the
country where you can actually play in a wheelchair as well,
something I wanted to do. That made it more fun.
And you only needed the first kid to come in
with his family in this and when their dad said
this first time we've ever been able to do this
as a family, that made the whole thing really really worthwhile.

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Seeing someone in a wheelchair going to play around an
entire mini golf course.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
That's so good.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
And so you know, I'm distracting you from the subject,
but I find it interesting. And what are the dinosaurs
constructed out of? And how did you sort out the dinos.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
Well, I was going to do a different thing. I
was going to do giant insects, and then I went
to get a big skeleton. I wanted it like a
giant roobcage that you would walk through and play through.
And I was searching a line and you do that
at two in the morning, and then I came across
a company that made that had skeletons, I thought, and
I was about hit the buy now button, even though
I was expensive. And I scrolled down further and they'd
full sized animatronic dinosaurs like the Walking with Dinosaurs shown good,

(12:11):
and I realized you could buy them, So I just
that was it. It was all going to be dinosaurs
from there.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, and you've got a dino dig as well, which
is awesome. I'm just having to look at your website
eron the dinog.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Yes, yeah, yes, so that those are the biggest dino
digs outside of Florida. So those ones we got there
were made by the same company that were actually made
for wall decorations inside like restaurants and themed theme parks
and things. And I thought, if I put them in
the ground and put sand on top, kids couldn't use
footeen paleontologists and dig them up, and so that's become

(12:45):
really really cool to do as well.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Wow, No, I'm looking at your your course online right now.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
That's very very cool Aaron, That is awesome.

Speaker 8 (12:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
Yeah, we put all of those plants, and most of
those are recycled out of people's gardens and that when
people don't want palm trees and pamboo check it out.
And and yes, a lot of that plant all those plantings,
there was nothing there. Everything you see we put in
and did during COVID, except when you weren't allowed to
even go to a work site on your own. We

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remember how nonsense that was that you had to You
couldn't go work in a paddock on your own near
no one. You weren't allowed to drive across town to
go to work.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
That was that was insanity. It was. Yeah, it was
a what do you call it, nothink of.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
The word.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Valuable hysteria, Yeah, something like that boondog dressic adventure. Yeah, Donzi,
that's that's a good to look you up, right, Aaron.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
Yeah, sure, it's sure. It's all the ring is getting
that it's ring to talibon else to work hard in. Yeah, yeah,
somewhere because I grew up pretty poor. I grew up
in Wilster, not from where the thing is, and when
I was a toddler and then my mum lived in
a boarding house for nearly three years, you know, So
it wasn't we went super flash and it's spent a
few years in a state house in that as well.
But I met people through my life that worked hard

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and got somewhere, and I thought I want to be
one of them.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
As a consistency eron because you know, we go back
a little way in my time in christ Church. But
I know you you've been a hard worker for a
long time. But there was a time and I'm not
having a crank here, but you didn't make it back
into council for one election cycle. For a lot of
people they might look at that and say, all right,
you know, I'm not going to have another crack and
I'm just going to give up. But for you, you
kept working for the community and clearly you got back

(14:23):
into counsel and are doing a great job. So is
it that consistency? You can't have that mentality our things
aren't going well now I'm just going to stop the
hard work.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
Yeah, thanks for bringing that up, Tiler. I call that
my sabbatical. And it's just like you know, and people
in your game get that as well. You know, you're
working for one station. They say, hey, this is no
longer going you're going. Hell, I thought I was doing
really well. It's all over and you're not popular anymore.
And then suddenly you're on another show a couple of
years later and your number one again. So politics is

(14:53):
a bit like that. It was a big turmoil. I
stood by Bob Parker and that cost me my seat,
and I wouldn't change that to the world because it
means I can sleep at night as well. Yeah yeah,
And so you just just go back at it. I
think was Abraham Lincoln. I'd heard one time here he
ran like five times and never won a seat before

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he eventually got in and then become the greatest president
of Mierica overhead. So you know, life's not for quitters.
Life for people that just just keep grinding away.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yeah, good on you, Aaron. Yeah, great call and go
check out Jurassic Adventure. Looks like a great time. So
this is this is a this is a good person.
Sometimes inverting a question provides the most common sense answer.
So if I don't work out hard, am I going
to get ahead? The answer is obvious. No great surprise

(15:44):
that the Helen Clark Foundation would frame such a question
so obviously biased. Yeah, I mean they're definitely trying to
get an answer there, aren't they. They want to get
that answer that they got, and that's the problem with surveys, right, Yeah.
So so what they've done is they've they've started with
a system, like a system based belief that you're asking,

(16:04):
and then they've asked the second question after that. Yeah,
I tried to skew it, but but that would be
the point, right. So if you take the results of
face value, and the question would be why do people
not believe that working hard will get them ahead?

Speaker 9 (16:19):
Right?

Speaker 5 (16:19):
In life?

Speaker 6 (16:20):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (16:20):
That would be an interesting question. But you can't. Yeah,
I mean, surely there's no one that thinks you can
get ahead without working hard. But also, shouldn't you work
hard whether you get ahead or not. Should wouldn't your
life be better by working hard anyway? Yeah? Exactly, So
you sit around doing nothing, you're going to get depressed

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and abese.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
And not have a great life.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
So even if you're failing to get ahead, economically or
failing ahead to getting a life by your hard work,
you should still be doing it right, still benefits out
of that.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
But I wonder if that's part of the problem with
the survey is that maybe there's people out there that
they work hard for a week or work hard for
a couple of weeks and think why have I been successful,
rather than thinking working hard consistently over time is going
to be the best way to get you a hit.
You know, it might not happen in a year, it
might not happen in five years, but you carry on
doing the best that you can. For ninety nine point

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nine percent of people who do that, there is going
to be a point in your life that boom, things
start to happen. I mean, that's might been my experience.
There's been an experience a lot of people that I've
met that have been very, very successful. So it's just
that consistency that even though you might feel disenfranchised that man,
I'm working hard, I'm not getting in here, You've got
to keep going because there'll come a point in time

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that boom, you've made it, or that you're you're hitting
your strides and you look back and say, well, that's
because I was consistent.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
What about if you're working really hard in the in
the wrong direction, I think that can happen, right, Yeah,
very true? Yeah, yep, Like I mean, because a lot
of people saying work smart, not hard. Some people work
really really hard, and when you come across what they're doing,
you're like, when into nuance, the way you're working here,
focus matters just because you're putting in a lot of hours,
but just a couple of changes here and you might

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be getting more productive result from your work.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
That is very fair, right. It is twenty six pass
one taking your calls? Oh eighte hundred and eighty ten
eighty do you think hard work can get you ahead
in life?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Back of them the headlines and the hard questions, it's
the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (18:22):
Treasury has got another look, of course at our economic circumstances,
to give the Finance Minister a bit of a steer.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Ahead of a budget.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
Doctor Murray Horn's former Treasury Secretary of these days in
New Zealand initiative senior fellow, in terms of shocks in
what we're dealing with right now, where does this one
sit there?

Speaker 11 (18:35):
You reckon?

Speaker 9 (18:35):
I don't think it's going to be earthquake or GIFC.

Speaker 10 (18:38):
But it's up there, has willis done as well as
she can or could she have gone earlier and Harday?

Speaker 12 (18:43):
I think you know that that one, Mike, earlier and
harder would have been a hell of a lot better lot.

Speaker 13 (18:47):
Borrowing more and more rather than those of some real
spending discipline doesn't avoid human misery.

Speaker 9 (18:53):
It just puts it off and makes it worse when
it's finally happened.

Speaker 10 (18:55):
Back Tuesday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 4 (19:01):
This twenty nine past one.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Do you think hard work can help you get ahead
in life?

Speaker 14 (19:05):
Hi?

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Young people live in a world of debt and tax
obligations to fun boomers, company retirements. Helen Clark went through
university for free yet made the next generation pay.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
But even whatever the environment you're in, right, and so
whatever it is, whether you agree with persons saying that
or not, so we still still better work hard than
not work hard. Whether it's a world of debt and
tax obligations, what are you going to just sit and rot?

Speaker 3 (19:34):
You can't give up there, you know, you can't just
say undefeated, I can't do this.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
It might be harder now than sometimes, but it's easier
than nearly any other time in history to be a
human exactly. So you know, it wasn't like you didn't
have to work with your fingers and hands and spears
and whatever for most of the history of humanity, or
right up into the last one hundred years ago. You know,
where would you rather live now or one hundred years ago?

Speaker 3 (20:00):
And there's a lot of advantages young people can find
in this world, so you can you can.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Always look around at the particular time you live in
and go, this is tough. But I wouldn't say this
is a particularly tough time to live. I don't think
of anyone who's read a lot of history or you know,
investigated anthropology would say that this is a tough time
for anyone to live in.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Particularly keep those teas coming through on nine two nine two.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
This question here is this is a good point. Where
is it?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I've actually miss mislaid the text. There's been so many
that have come through.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
This was about.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Anyway it was about. It was another version of that
famous Cynica quote. Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.
What's that one that you find the harder your work,
you're lucky you get. Yes, that's what a bunch of
people are texting through, and it's so true.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
So if you don't work.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Hard at all, then then the opportunity is unlikely to
pop up exactly, But there's no guarantees. Yeah, there's really
what it is. So you could work really, really, really hard.
And some people do work really hard their whole life
and they don't get the same opportunities, and some people
the same luck doesn't fall their way. But if you're
sitting on your ass doing nothing, then you're very unlikely
to get those opportunities or luck to come your way. Yeah,
very true.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Keep those calls coming through on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and the text number is nine two ninety two.
Do you think hard work helps you get ahead?

Speaker 4 (21:19):
In life?

Speaker 3 (21:20):
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Speaker 4 (22:39):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean and we are talking to.

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You slacking around over there.

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Tyler was putting my feet up, I was having a
sup of coffee. Yeah, we're having a yarn.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Just a bit of you you bring on about working hard,
and you had your foot up on the table and
you were surprised when the when the when the news
finished went.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
You, Hey, four days out of five work and harder
isn't bad. I can have one half our stay gunn I.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
This proverb keeps coming through. I'dn't even heard this proverb.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Old Chinese proverb says, if a peasant stands on a
hill with mouth open, it takes long time for a
roast duck to fly into the mouth.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
If I love it, but I'm just just so, let
me just think about that.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Or someone says that there's the same one standing with
your mouth open, takes a long time for a chicken
to fly, a cooked chicken to fly into your mouth.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Yeah, I mean, you get what it's saying.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
So if you're expecting to have a roast duck for dinner, yep,
standing there with your mouth open, expecting one to fly
and cooked into your mouth, it's a chance that are
very low that you're going to get where you want.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
You're going to be waiting for a long time.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, this business is i'd be interested to know, afternoon boy.
It's just interested in what you define as hard work
for any given job. If you look at hours, do
you consider thirty hours a week hard work? Forty to fifty?
I know a lot of people who are working twelve
hours a day, six days a week. That is what
seems like hard work to me.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
Cheers Brent.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, I mean it's not as simple as that, right, because,
as I was saying before, some people work really hard,
but in the wrong direction and really inefficiently.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
So you'd be silly to just.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Have just one metric working hard yep, you know, yeah,
I mean someone's working hard and they refuse to use
a you know, you refuse to lose, you use a
tool that makes work quicker or something like that. Yeah,
you're just working hard in an inefficient mession manner. I
still think that would be better than doing nothing. I

(24:32):
think that would be better for you spiritually. Even if
you're working really hard in the wrong direction, I think
you'd still feel better than being lazy. Yeah, you're still
getting something done. But it is an interesting question.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
But yeah, work hard, play hard.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
There's no other way. Yeah, if you go out with
the boys, you've got to get up with the men.
That's a great say, get a John.

Speaker 9 (24:48):
How are you you get a Matt and Tyler. Look,
you pretty much nail it in your own sort of
commentary with one another. I think my my my thing
was around that when you pull these things apart, you know,
the definitions of what is working hard, you know, and
different cultures have different views about that, and I I
have the view that you know, and you're sort of

(25:11):
alluded to that being active, are being consistently engaged, you know,
Like I mean I know plumbers and trade guys that
work and more guys that are ruined their knee caps
doing carpetal their life and they work really hard, and
others that don't that that work consistently, and some people
don't have to work. I just have to go on
the computer and see how their accounts are going, you know.

(25:33):
So the definition of hard really is something that I
was just interested in in terms of of defining that
in the contest of survey. Really.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, I mean, it's so so hard to define.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
I think I was thinking that the metaphor I is
using before, like if you've got someone that refuses to
use a nail gun and so they're just using a
hammer and they're working harder but getting less done, Yes,
then that doesn't that's not necessarily more virtuous than the
person that as working.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
You're not going to build as many houses as a
person using the nail.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (26:10):
And that's worked smarter than harder, you know. And the
other point is I've worked hard, but so I This
is the other thing is the funny thing is I
haven't had a duck into my mouth, but I have
done this guy and a seagull has dropped something at
the point in time and.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Me, it's good luck, isn't it. You've got to own that.
I'm trying to work out what the meaning of that
that they happened to you. If you share with you,
if you yeah, yeah, if you if you're stay staying
around with your mouth open long enough, someone will, someone.

Speaker 9 (26:42):
Will pulling up, someone will get you into the choir.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah. Yeah. Have you have you ever known anyone that's
been like a trust fund here at all?

Speaker 9 (26:51):
John, Yeah, I have, actually, and and it's really impacted.
I guess I'm their well being to be yees, Yes,
that's what I because what they do is they well
not that person I specifically lacked motivation and became the
pres and they had mental health issues.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, every every single trust fund kid that's been given
a house that I know of and as on a
trust fund. Kid are the most miserable drug addicts that
you could ever possibly imagine they have. They take no
joy in their position in life, because I think there
is something in working, even if you're not getting ahead
as much as you can that well, I think that's

(27:33):
what humans are evolved to do. You earn it yourself,
and my brain turns on us pretty quickly. If we're
not we're not doing something. Yeah, you know, and if
if you have to.

Speaker 9 (27:43):
You have to be responsible for yourself, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, I mean the question about what is hard work
is an interesting, interesting one, and this is just my
take on it. For me, hard work was just always
turning up as much as possible.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I suppose that goes to consistency, but I just had
something in me that when times were tough, I was
not going to give up. You know, I might not
do a fantastic job when I turn up, but I
am there, and hopefully not percent of the time when
people don't turn up, I'll still be there and I
might do a half last job, but at least that
is half, you know, fifty percent better than people that
didn't show up in the first place.

Speaker 9 (28:17):
Yeah, I'm like that too, being from a Dutch family.
Not only turn up, you turn up ten minutes earlier,
you know, sort of thing. So it's sort of disciplined again,
and I guess some determination people sort of reward you
for that too, you know.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, I was but late this morning, to be honest,
but you know, we can all have her off days.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (28:34):
Wow, that's right.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, very late.

Speaker 9 (28:37):
Not at work today, that's for sure.

Speaker 16 (28:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Good on you, John, Hey, thank you, yeah, nice, thank you,
thank you. What a great man. Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty Do you agree with John? Is
it consistency or what does hard work mean to you?
Is it just working longer hours or is it working smarter?

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Six says thank you. Guys, you have reminded me to
keep working hard. I've dropped the ball lately and been
working my wage. Listening to you has reminded me to
work hard and the universe will reward me even if
it's not a financial reward. So that's the point. Hard
work is more warding. I'm just a young feller finding
his way in the world.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Cheers JB.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Good on your jab.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I keep those teams coming through on ninety two nine two.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
It's eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Mad Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Be there's sixteen to one. We're talking about the value
of hard work when it comes to getting a hit
in life Oil one hundred and eighteen eighties number.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Hi, guys to me hard workers when you get home
and you feel like you deserve a beer in your hand, James, Yeah,
that's a good point.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
That beer, that earned beer.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
You know, when you work all day with a group
of people really hard and you would get something done.
That beer is the most delicious beer, the most undelicious
beer for one of a better is cracking a beer
when you've done absolutely nothing.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
So true because you're bored.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, you know, and you know that that sort of
sums it up really that the best beers are. And
so working hard with a group of people and then
celebrating together, Yep, once you've achieved something that that's that's
the most fun you'll ever have. It's a great feeling
outside of the bedroom.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
Debbie working on the show.

Speaker 14 (30:10):
Thank you very much, I too, am a local body
elected member here in christ Streets and had been for
thirteen years. But where I feel, and a lot of
people have said to me, even in my family, has
been incredible. How I've worked hard and achieved what I've got,

(30:32):
and like I left school high school fifteen, went to
a full time career at the tax department, worked night school, achieved,
achieved a couple of diplomas along the way, had my son.
I had a long term goal. I just didn't set
yearly goals. I thought, I want to be freehold with

(30:54):
my mortgage, which I bought. And remember our mortgages back
on my day were twenty twenty one and twenty two percent,
and so a lot of hard work. Only I only
ever bought what I needed needed, not what I wanted
and would like, which is what I think is a
part of today's problems. People wanted the best car, the

(31:15):
best furniture, and so forth. And for all those years
I just targeted my mortgage, any share bit of cash
I put on my mortgage. And an example of that
was I had a student for a couple of weeks
and was paid by three hundred dollars and I went
into the bench to see what tensible result that would
make for my mortgage, and they said that takes fifteen

(31:38):
hundred dollars off your term. That was three months off
my term, fifteen hundred dollars. I was exchanging three hundred
or fifteen. And when I saw that tangeability, I worked
harder at that.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
So you agree that someone could have worked as hard
as you have and not had the same success that
you've had.

Speaker 14 (31:57):
Debbie, it's a mindset depends on what their expenses are.
Like I said, I just made sure that my my
expenses or what I needed, and I had the oldest car,
I had the oldest furniture.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, well, good on you, Debbie. Yeah, appreciate your call. Yeah,
thank you very much. Julie An, how are you?

Speaker 17 (32:19):
I'm well, thank you?

Speaker 11 (32:20):
Who are you?

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Good?

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Nice to chat with you. So what's your thoughts about
working hard to get ahead?

Speaker 17 (32:24):
Well, when you were saying you're opening comments, I just
kept thinking of that quote you the harder I worked,
the luckier I am. And we got told when we
bought our farm at age thirty how lucky we.

Speaker 11 (32:36):
Were, But luck had nothing to do with it. We've
been working hard and making decisions towards that goal since
we were sixteen years old, and it was the same
when we had our children and we had one on
one with our children, people said how lucky I was,
and I thought all luck had nothing to do with it.
We waited until we could do that before we had children.

(33:01):
But yeah, and I just think that working hard without
making good decisions is not going to get you the
same place.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
No, yeah, there's that, Yeah, yeah, because you work really
hard while you're making really bad decisions. Like I've known
some people that have worked really hard, well, they've had
terrible method addictions and so that there's a period of
time where they're working quite hard, but then there's a
period of time when their entire life collapses and they

(33:29):
lose everything and it's as hoorable.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think sometimes that it's lost
right that when people achieve and it looks like succeeds,
some people turn around and saying, man, you got lucky,
But what they don't see is the years of toiling
behind the scenes to try and get to that point
to make it work right.

Speaker 11 (33:48):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, really nice to chat with you, Julianne. Thank you
very much for giving us a call. Do you agree
with Juliane eight hundred and eighty, ten to eighty, and
there's plenty of teas coming through on nine two, nine
to two.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
We'll get to a couple of those very shortly. It
is eleven to two.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Matties Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons
news talk z.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
EDB News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
It is eight two two and there's been some fantastic
texts coming through on nine to nine two.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
This one says Kody Guys.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
I am actually a trust fun kid, but I'm very
thankful to my parents for teaching me the value of
money and hard work from an early age. I'm ten
years into.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
A corporate career, wake up every day ready to give
it my best shot. Seeing my dad work well into
retirement do all his own work around the house when
he could have easily outsourced it was the best example.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
The six is hard work alone is no guarantee. Little
things combined getting yourself in the right position, meeting the
right person, knowledge and getting on with work, colleagues.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
And a little bit of luck.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
There is things about meeting the right people and working
the right place, because there's some people that work really
really hard, work from home people for example, but because
they haven't really made the relationships in the office, they'll
get they'll get passed up for the person that is,
you know, interacting every day.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah, network in and get on with people is a
huge thing.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, so yeah, working really hard on connections
is an important one as well. This Texas is an
important thing. That I worked hard sixty hours a week,
struck down by rheumatoid on my fortieth screwed me. Minds
your health, I mean, that's the thing. There's no guarantees.
I'm sorry to hear that, nack, but yeah, there's no guarantees. Yeah,

(35:28):
and your health. If you've got your health, then it's
not a bad idea to just feel grateful for that
every now and then. That's right.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, And things could change at any time.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
So if your mid wine about your life and then
you notice that you're quite healthy, then probably stop winching
because you do at least have your health.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Yeah, that gives you the ability to work hard.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
This one says, got guys to me. Hard work is
the ability to commit to a goal and follow through. Consistency,
and showing up of the primary drivers of progress. And
this context, doing well means achieving competence and reliability, which
are foundational to any career or personal pursuit.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
But that is just me.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Rahm, We've got about a minute. What's your thoughts about
working hard to get ahead.

Speaker 16 (36:12):
Yeah, that's from my opinion, that's the only key. Because
I came in New Zealand as an international student, so
every six month I was paying ten thousand dollars for
as an international fee, so I have to work hard.
Whenever there was a holidays, I was like a school holidays.
We were allowed to work forty hours or more than that,
so we were like a working I can say twenty

(36:33):
four hours to get that thing done.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, well on your mate nicely said, yeah, absolutely, what
a great chat with hard, work hard and work smart.
But I think the main thing to do is just
turn up. I think turning up's very important. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
I think you know, even if you don't feel like
it turning up, and you might not, you might do
a really crappy job. But the fact that you were
there and you've turned up when you don't want to,
that's that to me is part of working hard.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I used to work behind the counter at Real Groovy
Records in Auckland, and I was.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
A terrible, surly, lazy piece of crap.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
And then one day I was walking to work and
I thought what it'd be like because I was so bored,
I was just watching the clock. I thought what would
be like if I just worked really hard and tried
to be the best possible record store.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Employee I could.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
And from that day on, when anyone came in, I
was just the best, most attentive. I gave it like
one hundred percent. And I wasn't paid anymore, but boy,
I enjoyed the job a lot more than just sliding
in hungover and watching the clock. It's a great lesson
in that. So even if you're not getting ahead necessarily
at that given time, you will get ahead mentally.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
So hard work won't guarantee you success, but it will
give you a better chance, right one thing for sure.
Being lazy will make you miserable no matter what you have.
Where to work hard, how to work efficiently are harder
to work out, and luck is also in the mix.
But my favorite you're saying is if you stand around
with your mouth open waiting for a roast duck to fly.

(38:05):
You'll be waiting a very long time.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
That's a great, great thank you to everybody who phoned
and text on that really enjoyed that discussion. Coming up
after two o'clock, Tim Cook is standing down as the
CEO of Apple. But during his tenure he has been
phenomenally successful, taking the company from one hundred and thirty
billion to four trillion in valuation. But the question we've
got for you is when it comes to Apple products,

(38:28):
are you all in or do you think they might
be overpriced status symbols?

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Well, Tim Cook worked really hard, didn't he He certainly did,
and now he's with two point six billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Not a bad day at the office for Tim Cook.
Oh e one hundred and eighty to eighty is that
number to call? Ninety two ninety two is the text number? Great,
DA have your company on this Friday afternoon. You're listening
to Matt and Tyler. Stay right here, will be back
very shortly.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
At the big stories, the big issues, the big trends
and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Said the very good Afternoons You welcome back into the show.
It is six pass too great to have your company.
On this Friday after noon, let's have a chat about Apple.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
This is on the back of Tim Cook.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
His tenure as Apple CEO was coming to an end
in September, and across as tenure he has been remarkably successful.
I mean, taking the company from one hundred and fifty
three billion to four trillion in value is a remarkable achievement.
And when he took over a succeeded Steve Jobs in
twenty eleven, many dealted him because they didn't have that
famously harsh style or domineering personality. But since he's been

(39:57):
at that helm, he has been incredibly, incredibly successful with
how he has grown Apple across the board. I mean
just some of the achievements he's had just on Apple
Watch alone.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
So the wearables. He introduced the Apple Watch as.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Part of the you know the brand, and they have
now grown that segment to thirty percent market share in
terms of wearables. It brings in thirty billion dollars annually.
I mean that's just one out of many many achievements
that he's done for that company.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, So Apple sales four hundred and sixteen billion in
twenty twenty five and when he took over, they were
selling one hundred and eight billion, so doing pretty well,
as you said, for trillion dollar company. Here when you
think about New Zealand's GDP and there's just a company
that's worth four trillion dollars.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
It is phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
And everyone thought when Steve Jobs left that Apple was cooked,
pretty much, didn't they They cooked, didn't mean that tim cooked.
Apple share price was thirteen dollars seventy four when he
took over and is now two hundred and seventy three
dollars and that's pretty much a peak. Yeah, it's actually
it's peak. So incredible, incredible growth and lots of products.

(41:12):
You know, we're launched, as you said, Apple Watch, that
they moved into the earbud world. They released the humiliating
Vision Pro, which has got to be one of the
biggest miss missteps in recent tech big roll of the dice.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah, but just on their own ecosystem, right, So they've
got one billion plus paid subscriptions across Apple services that Includesicloud,
Apple Music, Apple TV, and their app store as well.
I mean that is part of the genius, right that
they have created the ecosystem that is reliant on Apple,
but as she serves the customers in terms of what

(41:47):
they want out of that product.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Well, they own the tracks.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
They've sold so many iPhones that you know, if you
want your app to succeed, it has to be on
Apple Store. And then they take thirty percent of the profit. Right,
So they just make money by owning the tracks. You know,
you want to put your train out there to make
some money and travel, it's got to be on the
Apple tracks. Yep. And that's the brilliant part of what
they've done. And so you know, iPhones are so expensive, right,

(42:11):
They're an incredibly expensive thing to have, but people are
willing to pay that amount. And once you get that phone,
they're still rinsing you. The rints doesn't stop after you
paid for it, No, it does not. You know that
they'll find a million ways in that phone to take
more money off you. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. And
that's why they've they've managed to, you know, go from
one trillion in twenty eighteen to where they sit now. Yeah,

(42:33):
it's not selling that much more product. They are still
selling a lot of product, a lot of hardware. But
the way that they've managed to monetize the hardware that
they sold is ruthless. It is.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
It's a phenomenal business story. But we want to talk
to you about Apple products. When it comes to Apple,
are you all in or do you think they are overprice? Status?

Speaker 4 (42:52):
And some very annoying text come through. Tim Cook didn't
make the Apple Watch. He developed it. It was Johnny Ice.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
No one thinks that the CEO. It was under his tenure. Now,
No one thinks that Tim Cook went down and made
the Apple Watch. He was sitting there tinking or he's
a CEO, he's got a lot to do. But he
was sitting there with a solder iron, just trying to
develop this Apple watch. I'm just looking around the room
and I don't see our CEO, Boggsy in the room
with us. It's not how a CEO works. Yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway,

(43:21):
thank you very much for thank you, but thank you
for your tick. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
So what do you say when it comes to Apple products?
What were the best Apple products you've had over your lifetime?
If you are an Apple fan, why are you so
fizzed up about Apple products? Or are you on the
flip side of the equation. Are you a Microsoft lover
or Android lover, and do you think they are overpriced?

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Statis symbols. Apple are just for people who can't actually
use tech, and that is the accusation. So if you're
a gamer, you're not going to be gaming on an
Apple computer. No, and you know you can't. You know,
Apple likes to lock things down. They like to have
absolutely complete control. You're not sliding out components and putting
in other components, and you're not designing your own computer.

(44:02):
You get.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
You get what you get, and you don't get upset
with Apple yep.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
And that's part of the reason that people like it
because they know it's all going to work. And once
you're in the echo Apple echosystem, it all starts working
for you seamless.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
You open your.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Beats pros and they immediately go on your phone. All
of it works together right spot on. And look, I've
been an Apple guy my whole life, my whole life.
I've been an Apple guy and I still am. And
there's just I've got three incredibly expensive Apple products sitting
right in front of me right now, in my watch
and my MacBook. Yep, they've got you, They've got me. Yeah,

(44:37):
what do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
When it comes to Apple, are you all in? And
what has been the best Apple product that you've had
over your lifetime? And if you're on the flip side
of the coin, do you just think that overpriced? Out
of symbols?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Nine two ninety two is that text number? It is
twelve past two.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
There's a few bloody windows, hard people coming through right now,
come on through, give us a buzz. I'd love to
hear someone stick up for co pilot though hard work.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Twelve plus two.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
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Speaker 4 (45:12):
B News Talks There B. It is a quarter past too,
So we're talking about Apple. This is on the back
of It's CEO, Tim Crooks standing down as CEO after
fourteen years and turning that company into one of the
if not the most valuable company in the world. So
if you're all it is the most valuable company. Oh,
hang a minute, is in video?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
I think in video might have just taken them over
the last year.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I didn't. They're punishing GPUs. Yeah, it's right, that's all going
to blow up in their face, isn't it, Sharon, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
So your Samsung, your sam same ha.

Speaker 18 (45:45):
Well, yes, I like Samsung products. I just find them
a bit more innovative and a bit more modern looking.
I mean Apple to me, the sites are very heavy
to use. It's one thing. But in saying that, I
do haven't Oh actually I wont. I have an Apple iPad.
I use ye, so you know, I guess I've got

(46:07):
to put them both camps away. But I just prefer
the look of the Samsung song. That's just me as well.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
What about the the use, you know, the user experience,
because you're going through an Apple operating system on the
iPad and back to the Android system on the Samsung.
What what?

Speaker 18 (46:23):
What?

Speaker 4 (46:24):
How do you find jumping between that two stuff? That
those two things jarring?

Speaker 18 (46:28):
No, not really, No, there's quite easy, quite used to it,
you know, if you use it often enough. But I
just don't know.

Speaker 19 (46:36):
What it is.

Speaker 18 (46:36):
I just I just like I think that there's an
awful lot of hype and put in, you know, over
the years about Apple products. They are, you know, quite expensive,
and probably that's part of the appeal to say or
look you know, high posts. Yeah, bit of status exactly.
That's right. But then again, you know, Samsung can be
quite up there as well in the prices if you

(46:58):
look at them. But yeah, that's just me. I mean,
everybody's there their own, but I wouldn't buy an Apple
phone out of.

Speaker 14 (47:05):
Choice, right.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
See that's interesting me, Sharon, because I was a late
comer to to Apple when it came to a Mac.
I only got a Mac about ten years ago, and
I was always a bit put off by Yeah, I
just thought there were status symbols, and I thought I
can't be bothered learning a new interface, and got an
Apple and thought, wow, I can see what everybody's talking
about here. But when it comes to you know, your
old Android phones. I tried, I really tried, because the

(47:27):
price was was a lot better than the Apple products.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
But I just couldn't do it. It wasn't insured if
it just it did my head in trying to figure
out how to operate that particular phone.

Speaker 18 (47:35):
You didn't find that, No, not really, And I'm not
somebody who's a young person. I mean, I just, you know,
I just find that I just get used to both
of them. Maybe it's just the way I think or whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, it's probably any problem rather than sharing to your
briguge Apple it's four trillion dollars worth.

Speaker 18 (47:56):
Oh no, if that's that, you know, that's that's just
sit this isn't it. You know, I'm not in the
least I'm as them that that's fine. But you know,
and you do get people are very divided, and you know,
like it's like national.

Speaker 6 (48:07):
La but you're th one can for the other, you
really are.

Speaker 18 (48:11):
But you know that's just just me. I mean, I
don't object to them, but I just wouldn't go out
and buy an Apple.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Fun My nephew his email address is Apple killer something
something something at gmail. He hates Apple, and we've had
a couple of heated discussions about Apple products over over dinner,
much too not surely the annoyance of my elder sister,
who goes, can you guy stop arguing about it? But
there is there is some animosity between the two things,

(48:36):
which is really interesting because what does it matter? Really well,
exactly that's right. Liking on you, Sharon, Thank you very
much for you correct. And the video is four point
eighty five trillion. Can I just say now the video
is going to blow up at some point because the
whole GPU thing is overblown there. It's complicated how the

(48:57):
data centers being canceled. They're lending money to the data
centers to build the data centers back in a circular AI.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
Shaozzle.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Yeah, it's I don't want to go into it. But
the video were very lucky. They blew up. They happened
to be making a product that that wasn't directly for
what it is now used for. But the work fantastic
with the AI matrix and has blown up.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
But you see how much that company has gone up
in valuation over a very very short amount of time
without really changing what they're delivering in terms of a
physical product.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
That is dangerous. That is very scary, as opposed to
a fifty year old company like Apple that has slowly
grown itself over time and as a very solid operator.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yeah, yeah, keep those calls coming through on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty Apple versus Microsoft or Android? Are you
all in on Apple? Or if you're all in on Microsoft,
we're really keen to hear wine nine two ninety two
is that text?

Speaker 4 (49:53):
It is nineteen past.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Two Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk said the.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Twenty one past two, we are talking about Apple products
on the back of Tim Crook's Sten down As CEO.
But if you're all in on Apple, give us a buzz.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
This Texas says Androids are only for poor people. Apple
is for the elite shots fired Android. What he says,
saying before what Apples managed to do is sell so
many expensive products to so many people, So they sell
the kind of numbers that you would expect a product
a much cheaper product. Right, Although, as someone says here,

(50:36):
Apple has released the Map. Yeah, the latest MacBook Neo
is actually very affordable. Tech commentators think it's a better
value than similar Microsoft laptop. So they have they've dipped
their toe in the water with a bit of a
cheaper laptop.

Speaker 19 (50:49):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Absolutely, one hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call.

Speaker 20 (50:51):
Get a look made going all right, okay, boys, you get.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Good, mate, good, So you're Apple one hundred percent.

Speaker 20 (50:58):
One hundred percent. I think it's it is quite a
like a Ford Holden scenario with the Android and the
Apple products. But I mean I've been Apple since day dot,
and like I've had mates that have bought five or
six tablets to one iPad and and they spent more
money because I think they're getting a better product for
cheaper but in the long run, they're spending three times
as much.

Speaker 8 (51:19):
Yeah, so it's I just got.

Speaker 20 (51:21):
Rid of my iPad because it's stopped updating because it
was so old, and I had the old wide plug,
and then I've just gone to a new iPad and
and just like the nine and day difference from technology
from where it's gone where it was to where it's
gone now, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
There are accusations leveled at Apple of planned obsolescence. So
you say that your your iPad, it's still mechanically, if
that's the right word, the hardware still working, but Apple
has decided that it's no longer going to go to
update the software on it, which is so you own
the physical things. That's kind of that's very cheeky, isn't

(51:56):
it that they've got.

Speaker 20 (51:57):
Well, my daughter used it on a plane recently and
like it's it's slow, like it's just an old computer.

Speaker 9 (52:04):
Like it's just old.

Speaker 20 (52:04):
It was a two thousand and twelve or twenty thirteen,
it was, it was still going. It's just everything gets
better when they're newer. And if it was an Android practice,
it would have been in the skip probably two or
three years after that.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
But I think about it.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Did I think about my dad's fridge When I go
around to his house. It's still the fridge that we
had when I.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Was a kid.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Yep, there's that fridge. Will never that fridge will never stop.

Speaker 20 (52:29):
Yeah, happing all last light they used to.

Speaker 9 (52:31):
No, that's right.

Speaker 20 (52:32):
I got given a I got given a chess freezer
from my mum and dad from their wedding anniversary and
that was thirty years old and we got it and
we got it for I had it for about another
fifteen years.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Yeah, so you know.

Speaker 20 (52:41):
Put another seal on it and good to go. But
I mean, yeah, I mean Apple products. I mean I
am a bit of an Apple junkie Pods, I watch everything,
But I just like simplicity of Apple. I just think
it's an easier interface to use. My dad's about seventy
five and he has an Android, and every time he
asked me about a problem with it, I'm sort of
scratching my head as well. Yeah, I'm usually on my

(53:02):
phone googling.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
It's funny because people that are in the you know,
PC world, are they try and hassle us Apple users
and they say, yeah, but you've got no functionality. You
can't change anything, you can't do this, there's no you know,
you've got no control. But it's like that's misunderstanding what
I use my stuff for.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Doing here, but I'm not getting into the background of
the bloody operation and I'm.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Not under the hood.

Speaker 20 (53:28):
Yeah, not mining bloody crypto en here. Yeah, yeah, I
just want to I mean, Apple just keeps doing what
they're doing.

Speaker 19 (53:36):
Good.

Speaker 20 (53:37):
The iPhone gets you know, it's really similar every year,
but it's slightly better. The cameras are always better. But
then Android they've got to bring out things that are
like got flip phones and like the double screen, just
because they've got to do somebody to keep up with
Apple's brilliance.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Yeah, drinking, there's anything in the technology or the the
advancement slowing down a little bit. I've heard their criticism
that's the latest iPhone because they keep making the camera better,
and that's good, and the chip gets slightly better. But
after that, the kind of it seems like they're running
out of ideas.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Is that fait Well, it is.

Speaker 20 (54:07):
It's a kind of a weird They go to next,
Like every year the phone, you know, you have an
S release that used to be and then there's the
next model, and yeah, they do get bigger and they
and now they're gone from being tiny in your pocket,
so now they're just about not go in your pocket size.
So they've done a flip one eighty from what it
used to be. But yeah, I see what you're at, Like,
where do they go to next?

Speaker 4 (54:28):
What they do to make money is they there's so
many people that are paying iCloud fees just to store
duplicate photos, you know, a bunch of stuff that they
don't need. So they invent this thing, you know, you
will store all your stuff for you, and but then
we'll charge.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
You for it.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
So you've got a phone and everything it produces, will
store it for you, but then we'll charge you on
top on top of that.

Speaker 20 (54:49):
Well I'm guilt. I'm actually guilty of that. I got
a fifty gig upgrade and then I use all that
because it's too lazy, clear emails and photos and your
icloud's full again.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Oh sure, Yeah, I don't know what mine does. I
pay my five bucks a month. I don't actually know
what's in there? I just pay it and then Apple
goes just the photo paused on my phone.

Speaker 20 (55:05):
It's annoying all the time, So I just deleted all.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
The those one trillion dollars.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Hey, thanks for you.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
Cool, Luke?

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Yeah great?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Cal are you with Luke? You one hundred percent? Apple
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Scott,
how are you?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Mate?

Speaker 13 (55:22):
Not too bad?

Speaker 9 (55:23):
Team and yourself good?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
So you're you're not an Apple fan?

Speaker 13 (55:27):
No, I've been Android right from my first smartphone, and
you know, like seem something, so I seem Sung user,
So Seamsung TV, Sony TV, that's Android. Sky uses Android machines,
use androids like diggers and graders and trucks and all

(55:47):
that of stuff. They all use Android in their operating systems. Now,
so I mean Apple, Yeah, they've got the computer to
watch here, buds, the phones, the ipepads, but they're not
actually integrated or I haven't got the software integrated into
your car for example, apart from the Apple carfay. But
it's the there's Android systems in all cars that actually

(56:09):
helped run the car. So how's Apple winning at that?

Speaker 6 (56:13):
At that?

Speaker 4 (56:14):
So would you say would you say that would you
say that Apple is like, so it's for white collar media,
you know, office working wounders, whereas Android is actually for
people to get something done.

Speaker 13 (56:30):
Yeah, well, that that's it. Like, as I say, the
operating system in your car runs with the Android background.

Speaker 21 (56:36):
Plus you've also.

Speaker 13 (56:37):
Got to remember Apple buyers from Samsung all their screens
and components and certain components in that as well, So
they're they're getting Android interfaces changed to what shipped across
and then they add their Apple interface to it's making
an Apple product.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Why do you think Apples so much more successful?

Speaker 5 (56:59):
Then?

Speaker 4 (57:00):
Financially it's I guess it's just because it's an Apple green.

Speaker 13 (57:04):
So you know, it's like Nike or eddydask or under
Armor War the all blacks.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
You know, people are.

Speaker 13 (57:10):
Brand loyal So and you know it was originally launched
I think was it in America where they've got three
hundred and fifty million people. So if you've got seventy
percent of them buying it, you've instantly got a massive
hit on your hands.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Haven't Yeah, And I think branding is absolutely Apple. Apple
keeps is very controlling of its brand. It doesn't have
a lot of different products, whereas the word world of
Android is a bit messy, isn't it, between different things
coming out, and just because it's more well not it's
not open source, but it's it's you know, various different
manufacturers can use it, as you say, Scott, so as

(57:45):
a result, that's sort of the brand of it dilutes
a little bit.

Speaker 13 (57:51):
Yeah, well, and that's the thing. But I mean, you know,
when you go as a as a company, unless you're
going to go and spend you know, two thousand dollars
per phone, you can go and spend two or three
or four hundred dollars per phone and buy ten phones
each individual employee that you've got. Here's a company versus

(58:11):
and that's what a thousand or fifteen hundred barks versus
it's going to be what twenty thousand dollars for two
thousand dollars phone for an Apple phone fifteen individuals.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Yeah, I mean it's insane how expensive iPhones are, very
very extent. People aren't lining up speaking of the brand though,
People aren't lining up at midnight to get the new
iPhones anymore, are they. That's kind of how they used to.
Kind of insanity has disappeared.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
But it is a premium brand, isn't it. I just
think they never never discount. You know, if you try
and get any sort of discount at Harvey Norman or
normal limit on Apple, say, we can't do that because
Apple doesn't do that, because it is they want to
present themselves as their premium brand, which is fair.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Enough people line up to get rinsed. I'd like to
talk a little bit later in the show about the
psychological what's the way to describe it, The way a
changing number on something makes people want to buy it. Okay,
people are more interested in the number, and this goes
right back to you know, the nineteen twenties and car

(59:10):
manufacturing in the United States. People are more if you
actually drill in, they're more excited about the fact that
it's a seventeen as opposed to sixteen than they are
about exactly what the seventeen does compared to the sixteen A.
It's an easily manipulated psychological trait that humans have.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I'm looking forward to hearing about that right headlines are
coming up taking your calls. Oh, e one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Are you all in on Apple or
do you think they are overpriced? Status symbols. It is
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Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Thank you very much. Roylene is twenty five to three
and I just want to see that shared this little
bit here, so if you'll indulge me for a second
on why iPhones have different numbers, please right so quick
look into this is from the book A Lifeless Punishing
by Matt Heath.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
It's good to read that one, right, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
A quick look into the one hundred year old origins
of planned obsolescence demonstrates how easily we are gained when
it comes to wanting things. In the nineteen twenties, the
American automotive market hit sexuation point. Cars lasted a long
time back then. Once you had one, you didn't need
a new one for another fifteen years.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
Alfred P.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Sloan, junior and executive at General Motives, decided that the
best way to get people to buy cars they didn't
want was to release an annual models with the year
in their name. So in nineteen twenty two, the Chevrolet
division slightly restyled the body covering of a nine year
old vehicle and called it the nineteen twenty three, and
they experienced a massive spike in sales. Henry Ford, the

(01:02:00):
founder of the Ford Motor Company, whose Model T revolutionized
transport after its introduction in nineteen oh eight, hated the
idea of model year changes. He wanted this company focus
on design, integrity, engineering, simplicity, and quality production scaling. This
honorable focus turned out to be a substantial commercial mistake.
In nineteen twenty three, Ford was by far the biggest
seller of automobiles in the US, but General Motors quickly

(01:02:23):
surpassed them all because people desire the new thing with
the latest number on it more than they valued quality engineering.
So this is where Apple still work on to this day.
So there's the sixteen there and the seventeen there, and
people will make up an entire story in their mind
why the seventeen's better. There'll be a little story about
the camera, this and that. But really, when they see

(01:02:47):
that there's a seventeen, they don't want to sixteen purely
because there's a seventeen, and you get gained by that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
The've sucked me in with a new Apple Watch.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Eleven. Yeah, get aliend Hello, Hi got it.

Speaker 22 (01:03:00):
I've got a different take on it actually because I
had an Apple and Apple iPod many many years ago,
and the boss gave us all computers. Watch are Android computers.
When they updated the computers, they went to Apple, and
Apple did not support the programs that I had on Android.
They support their own programs. Because I couldn't get on

(01:03:21):
I couldn't get the programs I wanted on Apple. So
I went back to my Android and Hello, the programs
came up. So that's what That's what I've dated with androids.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
Yeah, well the operating system thing is, and definitely Apple
wants to lock you in its ecosystem, so it actually
actively makes it harder. I mean there's little things like
in three. You know, if you're in I message and
your threads, yep, you know it'll throw someone out if
they're an Android. You know what I mean? On what

(01:03:50):
it pushes people to what'sapp? Of course it does, but
you know you've got to make that gets a new
Samsung phone. You've better thread going for years. Suddenly they disappear.
They've got the same number from that three. They can
still communicate you with it, but they throw you out.

Speaker 9 (01:04:01):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
They've got heavy control. Kid A Caroline Hi Kyler.

Speaker 23 (01:04:06):
And that's I'm in the Apple camp because right from
the beginning, Apple has had a commitment to the disability
community for making their products accessible out of the box.
For me as a blind person, to give you an example,

(01:04:28):
I updated last year from an iPhone eleven to an
iPhone sixteen. I picked up that iPhone sixteen, I came home,
I was able to transfer and set that phone up
independently with no cited assistance whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Wow. So is that worth? So that's audibly the.

Speaker 22 (01:04:52):
That's audibly yep.

Speaker 23 (01:04:54):
And and the fact that the gestures that go with
the audible system and that reactive. Now it's not to
say that Android is not accessible. Android is catching up,
but it is not as reactive. But also it does
not permit those that wish to hype their text messages

(01:05:19):
in braille to do so. So with with iPhones you
can do what is called braille screen input. So if
you're used to typing and brail rather than a requited keyboard,
you can actually do that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
You have a different keyboard, so you can and.

Speaker 23 (01:05:37):
So it comes up on it comes up on your
screen with the key placements and then you can just
tap away with your fingers, but the output would definitely
be in print.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Yeah, so that's that's on an iPhone?

Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
Is it?

Speaker 23 (01:05:53):
That's on an iPhone?

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
I mean that's that's that's got to be so so helpful.
I mean, how how good is that?

Speaker 19 (01:06:01):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
It is?

Speaker 23 (01:06:02):
And I mean the huge things. I can bring a
friend who's got face time, who's got an iPhone, a
cited friend and say, now, can you tell me is
there a stain on this bit of clothing?

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
Is there something?

Speaker 23 (01:06:16):
Because of the camera situation, I can, as a blind
person take photos of my guide dog, post them on
Facebook and have cited friends go, well, that's a good photo.

Speaker 24 (01:06:29):
Who took that?

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:06:32):
Well because of the guidance that Steve Jobs started, the
processes he started and put into those devices, and that
is why the disability sector prefer in a lot of
ways iPhones. Yes, they're expensive, but it is worth the

(01:06:54):
investment for the independence that it gives us.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Now, Caroline, I've got a question for you, because last
night I was wanting to I couldn't sleep, and I
wanted to do my New York Times connections and I
can't find I couldn't find my iPhone? So how do
you deal with that? Finding the device? If you know
what I mean, if it's.

Speaker 24 (01:07:13):
If it's switched on. Have you ever just tried calling out, Hey, Suri.

Speaker 25 (01:07:18):
Where are you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
My mind's not set up. I'll try it now, Hey Surrey,
where are you?

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
It's just printed on the screen.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
I'm over here. My volumes, my volumes down because I'm
on the radio. I'll I'll try to get now it's up, Caroline, Hey, Suri,
where are you?

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Why am I yelling in such a weird voice at it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Hey?

Speaker 16 (01:07:46):
Si?

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
Where are you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
She's refusing.

Speaker 18 (01:07:51):
No, she's refusing.

Speaker 23 (01:07:53):
Generally, if you've got it set up right, she will say,
I'm here and you can hear, so I can hear.
And often, I mean I've lifted perhaps on the dining
room table or on the couch or whatever, and I
was like, if I lift that job, so I'll do it,
and I'm here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
That's so good, and I've found Yeah. Well, I'm so
glad that that that you have those tools available to you, Caroline,
because that must make you, know, life so much easier
for you.

Speaker 14 (01:08:21):
It does.

Speaker 23 (01:08:23):
And I mean I've got an iPhone sixteen at the moment.
As I say, I will probably not be updating for
a few years because of the cost, but I'm content
with what it does for me at this stage. I'm
not itching to update for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Well, thank you so much for you call Caroline.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Yeah, and this says absolutely agree with Caroline.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
iPhone has enriched my blind daughter's life.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
That's pretty incredible. Yeah, what a great call.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
So are you all in on Apple or are you
against it? Do you think it's some sort of status symbol?
And it's wildly expensive. It is seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty mad Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons news Talk, sa'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
There's forty into three.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
We're up set a few Apple users apparently, guys, I
was driving on the motorway and you set off my
phone by saying.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Hey Siri, gid A.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Guys, I've been on the work site of my my
phone keeps screaming, screaming I'm here, I'm here, So sorry
about that. Hey, Siri, there you go. There's one more
for you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Hey, it worked a fella. Yeah, I mean this is
hardly new technology though. No, I mean I've got I've
got I've got uh, I've got my Google Home going,
I've got my Alixa in my house. I'm always going
into the room and asking my Google Home. I'll calling
it Alexa and it comes to so you've got the
right that's program to tell you that you're talking to

(01:09:47):
the wrong you know AI. I love I'd love to
see the history on Apple has been, you know, sort
of slipped behind a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
Suri.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Siri is behind Alexa and and Google Home ye and
their technology. But interestingly, because a lot of people are
saying here that they're getting slammed and they're having to
integrate Gemini. But actually, if you look deeper into what
Apple is doing, this is kind of boring. But they
really want to focus on having their AI device internal,

(01:10:16):
so the matrix is integrated into their chips, and they
can do that because they have now bought their chip
manufacturing and then, you know, everyone thought they were crazy
when they took that on board, but they have been
They're now manufacturing their own chips in their phones, and
so they can set up small language models within their
phones with the matrix is operating completely within the phone

(01:10:37):
as opposed to going out into the cloud like GPT
and Gemini does. It's clever so they don't see large
language models and huge data centers as being in the
future of AI.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
So it'd be interesting to watch that space.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
Yeah, Kevin, you're an Android geek.

Speaker 21 (01:10:53):
It's kind of how.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
This contidente could make goods.

Speaker 7 (01:10:57):
Tell us why, Yeah, I'm an Android geek because as
I said, it's kind of like the love.

Speaker 21 (01:11:04):
Hate relationship with technologies. So the old the older adidaks
and Puma type of you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:11:10):
I don't know which.

Speaker 7 (01:11:11):
Which way do you want to compare Android as an
ad or Puma. It's up to you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
I'd say Android would be Puma to me, and then
eddidask would be iPhone.

Speaker 21 (01:11:24):
Okay, anyway, I first start off for using the old,
earlier models. With the iPhone, I found it mainly the secure.
It's all the availability of the programs, whereas the Android
has unless I've start with Android ever since and i've
it's got Google TV. It's a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
The Google TV. Why is that easier?

Speaker 9 (01:11:44):
At least it's like what's with the apps?

Speaker 24 (01:11:45):
There?

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
At least I can find the apps and use it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
I agree it's great when it's an Android TV. But
Samsung is no longer doing the Android TVs, are they.
They're doing their own Samsung operating system. I find that
really really annoying because I like it.

Speaker 25 (01:11:59):
I like you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
I like your TV running Android.

Speaker 21 (01:12:02):
You will and of course at least it's it gives
you the ability to do to have other pros, whereas
Apple doesn't allow that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
The shut down and lockedown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, thanks
you cool, Kevin, Yeah, thank you very much. Bronwin. How
are you you're sitting on the fancy of bromin I am.

Speaker 24 (01:12:23):
I use the Samsung phone. I have an S twenty four,
but I don't go with every model. But I primarily
like the same Sung because of its camera get up auto.
But I also run an iPad brow and an iMac

(01:12:45):
Best Top. And the reason I WRAT is because Apple
has great graphics. So and I do a lot of
work within Adobe Bodies, shop room, what have you, and
so yeah, Apple was the only place to go there.
I did try doing it with the same Sung button.

(01:13:07):
They do it. They it's good. Yeah, sit on the fence.
Happy to sit on the fence when Apple come up
with a camera system that works as well as Samsung's,
I might consider jumping that sense, but until then I'm
happy right room sitting.

Speaker 19 (01:13:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
I bought my son and iPad Pro with the Apple.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Pencil for his art because he was using a work
on tablet, right and and that's phenomenal. That's you know,
you know, wherever he goes, he's got a pad that
he can draw on it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
It's very very cool.

Speaker 24 (01:13:39):
Yeah. I use the work on system as well. That
is really good, really really good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Think if you call Bromin and all the best with
your graphics and your art and such, and you're sitting
across the two divides of hybrid and andre star Cross.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Lovers, great key we right, those calls coming in on
one hundred and eighteen eighty and the text number plenty
of those coming through on nine two ninety two. It
is ten to three, will be back surely.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way. Mad Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
News talks, it is seven to three, Get a Simon,
how are you doing?

Speaker 19 (01:14:17):
Yeah, not there, guys. I've got two daughters and they're
both in the Apple family. They've left our family and
joined the Apple family and spent a lot of money
to do. So I just take some solace that they're
not the type that stay up all night outside the
Apple store to wait for the next next product, because

(01:14:39):
that is the what do you call it, the the
phone version of fooding sheep?

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
I mean yeah, if you're lining outside to get the
latest Apple project a phone, I should say, then, you know,
I think, in my opinion, something's gone terribly wrong in
your life.

Speaker 19 (01:14:59):
I agree. I mean, I'm going to start selling water
and telling people that this water is more wet than
normal water, you know, and I'm sure someone will line
up to buy it.

Speaker 21 (01:15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
I lined up at Sadika Records and needing to buy
use your Illusion one when it came out. So you
know I've done that, yep. Yeah, you know you got
it your front of house, Yep, Yeah, I got it.
I could have waited till tomorrow and got it. Hey, Simon,
thank you very much for giving us a buzz mating
all the beasts with those two daughters.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Dan, We've got about a minute. But you love Apple, Yeah, no, like.

Speaker 26 (01:15:32):
It's just it's just great.

Speaker 9 (01:15:33):
I have all Apple products.

Speaker 26 (01:15:35):
I've got to the phone, the AirPods, the laptop, the mac,
the iPad, and it's just just a seamless experience, you know,
like I can air drop everything I want, every other device,
and yeah, it's just it's just great to work with.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Are you one of the people that keep up dating
when the new phone or mach mac book comes out?

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
Then definitely not.

Speaker 26 (01:15:53):
I would say my MacBook is from twenty twenty, so
it's the first off the Silicon chips. But you know,
whenever it needs to be updated, I would, But I
wouldn't say I'd go out and just throw my money
towards Apple every now and then.

Speaker 9 (01:16:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Yeah, And so for you, it's just because and no
about it. If you've got Apple products, they seamlessly work together.
Is that that's the big plus for you. You just want
everything to link in together and have that ecosystem is.

Speaker 26 (01:16:17):
Just so simple and easy to use. I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
So yeah, yeah, good on you, Dan, Thank you very
much for your call.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Couple of techs coming through. Get guys.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
I don't like any of the tech ecosystems, but I'm
only willing to put up with the floors of one
of them, So I will stick with Apple. It is
the best out there, despite its flaws, and this one
get a guys, I'm one hundred percent Apple through and through.
The ease of use is second to none, and for
what I need it for is mostly just watching videos

(01:16:46):
and a little bit of work.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
It is perfect for me. Yeah, there you go. So
Tim Cock is standing down as CEO of Apple. He's
been replaced by a guy that's been in the company
since this for twenty five years actually, but everyone thought
they were done when Steve Jobs died. But Tim introduced
dozens of successful new products over the years and increase
the value of the company from three hundred and eighty

(01:17:07):
billion when he took over to four trillion dollars because
they sell a whole lot of very expensive products, so many,
so many expensive units, and then when you get them,
you still keep paying, your paying and paying and paying
and paying and paying.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
And I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
He's off to the right, great discussion, Thank you everyone
who called. Anti's coming up after three o'clock. We're going
to talk to act Leader and Deputy Prime Minister David
Seymour about his idea to boost financial literacy and of
course coming up in about twenty five minutes New Zealander
of the week. Looking forward to that, and thank you

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Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Very good afternoon to here. Welcome back into the program.
It is seven past three. Coming up in about twenty
minutes New Zealander of the Week. Looking forward to that.
But in the meantime, ACT Leader and Deputy Prime Minister
David Seymour is floating a new idea to boost financial
literacy among young kiwiks. So that is giving every year
eleven student five hundred dollars to invest. As you can imagine,
there are some strings attached to that. So to discuss further,

(01:18:32):
we are joined by the Deputy Prime Minister David Seymour.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Minister afternoon to you, hey, you good afternoon. Tell us
about your plan.

Speaker 25 (01:18:42):
Well, we're definitely not just going to give them five
hundred bucks cash, but we might let them keep any
profit they make at the end of the year. What
the government would have to do as partner with a
company like Chasa's or Hatch or black Ball. There's a
few different companies that offer this kind of investment platform,

(01:19:03):
and they would have five hundred dollars. It's real money.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
In term one and.

Speaker 25 (01:19:08):
Invest and say something low risk like a term deposit.
Learn about the benefits of saving and the idea that
if you give it to a bank and someone else
uses it and makes a profit, then you effectively get
some of that bank in an indirect way. In the
second term, if they're pasted a few tests and showing
their financial literacy is increasing, you say, look, you can

(01:19:29):
put it into a managed fund and a little bit
like key we savor. There's you know, there's aggressive, there's conservative,
there's growth. There's different options that invest in different types
of stocks, and you can learn about that and then
maybe in three you say, look, you can actually invest
in actual companies and you can invest in their New
Zealand and start asking yourself, if your flights aren't on time,

(01:19:50):
maybe people won't fly with you and you won't make
so much money. Or if jet fuel goes up, that
might have heard as well. So you start getting a
sense of why some companies go up and some go down.
And I just think, especially for poor children from poorer household,
if you don't have someone in your household who knows
how the invest and booked about this stuff, how would

(01:20:11):
you learn? And Yet I would like to see a
society where everybody can have an ownership and a stake.
I think this could be one of the most powerful
things we can do, using real money to get kids
interested to bring about that kind of change. Plus, we
need more productive investment other than housing if we want

(01:20:32):
New Zealand to be wealthier, and that requires cultural tuange.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
How dumb my young Kiwi's New Zealand is around finance, David.

Speaker 25 (01:20:41):
Well, you know, I've seen a few people who have
commented on Facebook and the like since I floated this
idea last night, and they've said it's all just gambling
and why would you encourage them to do this? A
lot of the comments I've seen have actually really emboldened
me and confirmed that we do need to talk about

(01:21:03):
why investment is not gambling. There's certainly an element of
risk that you're actually effectively lending someone you're saving so
that they can try and make money by investing in
plant and equipment. Produce their products and pay their workers more,
and there's actually a virtuous circle up there. But I
think our culture is so anti business, it's anti entrepreneurship.

(01:21:26):
We teach people to work hard, and I fully agree
with that, but hard work only produces and if we
also have investment capital, and I don't think that side
of the equation has been taught in our education system.
I don't think it's part of our culture. And I
think that's made a support which has manifested itself as
a cost of living crisis, because really, yes, prices are up,

(01:21:49):
but the real problem, I would argue, is that our
wages are falling behind the rest of the world. That's
why we feel that there's a cost of living crisis.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
To go back to the gambling thing, there's a lesson
in that as well, because when I bought my kids,
you know, gave my kids some money to invest in stocks,
one of them was an idiot and sped them, you know,
on stuff that he was into, and the other one
thought about it. But there was a pretty heavy lesson there.
If you just see it blow up and disappear, then
then then that's a lesson as well, isn't it.

Speaker 25 (01:22:18):
Yeah, Look, what I think, what I think should happen
if we you know, we're just floating this idea. It's
not even a absolute policy yet, but is that some
some kids will just, through no fold of their own,
lose it. And it's a shame. But look, at the
end of the day, it's a it's a very small
amount of bunny I sent what the government is running

(01:22:39):
and key, we save the subsidies every year anyway. But
on the other hand, if they do well, then we'll
we'll take the fight the original five hundred principle, put
that probably into their key. We save it to kickstart that,
and then we'd take the take any extra they make
that if they want to, they can take the cash

(01:23:01):
out for the holidays, and I think I think that
could motivated. But they might also say, look, I'm enjoying this,
I'm going to keep investing it. So it's partly about that,
and it's also about parents. There'll be parents who won't
have had this opportunity, but they'll get interested in what
the kids are doing. And it'll be particularly households that

(01:23:21):
haven't had a history of doing this that for whatever reason,
no fold of their own, but they won't have been
introduced to it before. We should make everybody interested in
both sides of the economy that's working and investing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
So you've kind of you've thought about the costing obviously, David.
It's around about thirty million dollars if there's six hundred
thousand students. So where would that come from?

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
Do you think?

Speaker 25 (01:23:44):
Well, at the moment, every year we take about six
hundred million dollars and we put it into people's key.
We say, if you make a contribution through work, the
governments will give you the top up of about five
hundred dollars. And I haven't all maths down to the
last cent, but in round, veget five percent of five

(01:24:07):
hundreds about twenty five dollars, so you might get four
to seven five instead of five hundred. The other twenty
five dollars got into the key, into the kids investor
kids scatting, and without front do all of this on
the radio. There's about twenty times more key we Saber

(01:24:27):
members than there are children per year of school. So
you put that all together and basically everyone gets twenty
five bucks less, but everyone also gets five hundred when
they're a fifth former or year eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
This probably comes from the probably unanswerable questions file. But
there's a lot going on in the world. Things are
changing fast. Ali is changing the stock market. Will the
markets exist as they are by the time these kids
get old.

Speaker 6 (01:24:59):
I think it'll be a lot of things.

Speaker 25 (01:25:00):
Right, Like, if you learn how to write a letter
when you're at school, you're probably better prepared to write
an email, and and probably in a better place when
it comes to typing questions and claw GPP these days.
So some things are kind of fundamental, you know, writing
a question, writing a letter, communicating an idea. You know,

(01:25:24):
the technology is changed, but the concept hasn't. Putting some
money aside and then effectively giving it to someone else
who has a use for it so they can make
more money and pay some back to you. I mean
that is going to exist in some form, So we
can just get that concept across then I think we'll
be a much much more resilient and prosperous society than

(01:25:48):
if large amounts of people don't have that knowledge. And unfortunately,
if you look at how many New Zealanders actually invest
in companies compared with say Americans, we're just not there.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
What would you suggest kids put their money in.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
I'd put mine in Blockbuster video BlackBerry and Scotte. Sounds
like a smart strategy there.

Speaker 25 (01:26:12):
Well, I mean if you had a front all the
bottomy and traveled.

Speaker 8 (01:26:15):
Backwards through time and then that's exactly what you do.

Speaker 25 (01:26:18):
But look, I mean this is exactly the sort of
thing I think we need to teach. So there's risky
stuff like you could go with Elon Musk and you're
either going to become very richu or very poor very quickly,
very difficult to know, or you might be depending on
your temperament. You say, Look, I'm just going to go
with a sort of a balance a portfolio of stocks

(01:26:42):
that will probably not set the world on fire, but
my gains and losses will roughly balance out and I'll
end up a little bit ahead. So this is exactly
the sort of thing that you know. I never learned
at school. I mean I think I got a very
good education. It's a good school, into a good UNI,
got an engineering degree, but I never learned any of
us myself later in life. And I think it'd be

(01:27:04):
good for New Zealand if it was taught more widely.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
Yeah, well, the Warren Buffett challenge is probably something that
people should be taught you know around indexed funds. Yeah,
but look you'll like this text here. I think it
is the best idea that David Seymour has ever come
up with in his whole entire career. I applaud that's
from K well done. Oh thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
K Tudo was pretty good as well.

Speaker 6 (01:27:27):
OK.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
I've just got to say, but there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Hey David, thank you very much for catching up with us.
I really appreciate it. We'll catch up again.

Speaker 25 (01:27:34):
So yeah, thank you, gy, have a great day.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
That is the AC Party leader and Deputy Prime Minister
David Seymore. So what he reckon is this an idea
that has merits? If you give five hundred dollars to
each year eleven with strings attached obviously, and as they
progress through the year, they're able to invest in slightly
riskier assets on the stock market. Is that a good
way to teach financial literacy?

Speaker 25 (01:27:55):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Nineteen nine two is a text. It's seventeen past three.
His talk said, be it is nineteen past three. So
the AC Party leader and Deputy Prime Minister David Seymore
has floated a new idea to boost financial literacy. That is,
giving every year eleven student five hundred dollars to invest.
The proposal would put them through a structured program starting
with low risk options like tomb deposits. They're moving into

(01:28:17):
manage fun good idea or No. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Finally, a politician talking good sense is this texture, but
this one says you should not be encouraging children to
get involved in the capitalist system.

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
Disgusting.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
If you have noticed half the country is sleeping in
their cars thanks to the greed of the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Rich, right half the country Jesus. Thus some big numbers
right there. I mean, don't get evault in the capitalist society.
That is what you're part of.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
What you should do is go and get involved in
a non capitalist society, like go to Korea and then
choose to go to North Korea instead of South Korea.

Speaker 25 (01:28:51):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Yeah, if you don't want to be involved in a
capitalist society, there's two good examples there that would be
a great lesson for you. The capitalist society North Korea.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
You might not be able to get out of North
Korea once you're there, but it's a good lesson.

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Yeah, The way people try to the fact that you
have to shoot people from leaving communist countries as they're
trying to get into capitalist countries. It is probably a
probably suggestion of which one goes better, but you know
that's up to you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
Gavin, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 12 (01:29:21):
Yeah, things, well, I think it has some merits. I
think on financial literacy, so it's more about some of
the basics of finance. Things like for youngsters, they go
by eight thousand dollars car, they have six thousand dollars
of it on dead. They don't realize that it's now
a fourteen thousand dollars car that they pay it back.
Understanding those things that sometimes find something a little less

(01:29:44):
value yeah, actually has a big impact. You know, instead
of putting three percent of your new wage into pew
we saver, put six percent to ten percent while you
don't understand it. So they get to understand the difference
between compounding interest and how that makes makes the massive impact.
Because a lot of the Kiwi savers and the fund

(01:30:05):
will get managed by the fund managers, you know, so
they may have they'll have little saying where it goes.
Apart from I guess supergrowth growth balanced those sorts of
things which are for different stages in your life and
where you are.

Speaker 9 (01:30:19):
So while yes, I.

Speaker 12 (01:30:20):
Think from an education that has some value, but I
think there's our avenues, you know, understanding what does an
automatic payment do once the risk of credit cards? You know,
I think that would help a majority of our youngsters
more and a longer term basis, do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
I think this is part of it though, Gavin that
when you know, you let kids have a play around
with tomb deposits in the stop making. I know you
said it was a great idea, but then those wider
ideas that you're talking about that affects most of our
lives start to make a lot more sense that you
start off with something like this that is, you know,
governed by the school program and the government's got a
bit of buy in there as well. Then it at

(01:30:58):
nights that that further interest. And I just say that
because that's what happened for me. But it happened a
lot later than I would have liked. Probably, if I'm
being honest here, it probably it wasn't util I was
twenty five and I lost some money and Cheersy's and
started to realize, okay, maybe it should be ETF and
then interest rates and all the rest of it started
to come into play. Mortgage, you know, does that quinite
of all buy into it.

Speaker 12 (01:31:19):
I think it's all part of it. I wouldn't want
it to be this solely. I think they need to understand,
you know, sort of hygiene started out and then I
come from a banking background, so I've got to get
a lot of that, and my children being lucky because
I have. So there's so many children there where their
mum and dad don't have a lot of that knowledge either.

(01:31:39):
So I think school is a great place to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
Because yeah, thank you, Tony Gavin. Sorry, yeah, I've just
got to quickly go to a break. Great call. It
is twenty three past three, back surely.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh eight hundred and
eighty eighty on News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
The afternoon to you. It is twenty five past three.
So we're talking about the idea from David Semore not
a policy yet, but he's floated it about giving five
hundred dollars a year eleven students under a scheduled program
to allow them to learn about investing and returns. There's
plenty of tips coming through on nine to nine to two.
This one says, guys, I got in two shares, he's

(01:32:19):
and my forty. I am our forties. I am now
encountering my kids to encouraging it. Should read my kids
to do it too.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
My parents were boomers and they taught me to work
hard and put the money in the bank.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
I think it's no brainer teaching kids early to invest.
I wish I was showing there and this one brilliant
from David Semore. Let's have lots of fresh ideas in
New Zealand. We are small enough to try these things.
Let's try some stuff instead of the same old dreary ideas.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
This business says hi. Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
Now you get only about a max of two hundred
and sixty from the government from your key, we say
contributes depending on how much you have saved. I think
it would be better for putting five thousand into Kiisaver
at birth and that can't be accessed by anyone until
the child is twenty and then the first house in
retirement only.

Speaker 6 (01:33:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
Interesting, So just give everyone that's born five thousand dollars
that they can't get maybe till they're sixty five.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you learn much from that,
but thank you to everybody who text and called on
that one. Seems to be according to the Texan and
phone calls, a lot of positive feeling about that idea.
So we'll see where that one goes.

Speaker 13 (01:33:19):
Right.

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Is there any meats that you wouldn't put in a pie?

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Oh so good and what a winner again for New
Zealander of the Week. Right coming up after we play
some messages we have in studio award winning film editor
Brian Show. He's behind shows like Outrageous Fortune, and Blockbaster Hits,
The Evil Dead Rises. He is the best editor to
come out of New Zealand and his latest film is
Lee Cronan's The Mummy. So we're having a chat with
film editor Brian Shaw.

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He's talks EDB. So Lee Cronin's The Mummy tells the
story of the young daughter of a journalist disappearing into
the desert without a trace. Eight years later, the family
is shocked when she has returned to them. Is what
should be a joyful reunion turns into a living nightmare.
This is a film that blends atmosphere, at tension and
storytelling in a way that really sticks with you long

(01:40:43):
after watching. I saw it last night and I'm still
thinking about it. It's in cinemas right now. It's brilliant.
Go check it out. Multi award winning Brian saw Here's
the editor behind this film whose work helps bring all
of those elements together seamlessly. He's also been behind the
editing brilliance of the likes of Outrageous Fortune, a Evil
Dead Rise, and of course the Devil Dead me too. Brian,

(01:41:04):
sure is with us right now, Brian.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
Good to see you.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
Good, good, glad to be so, Brian.

Speaker 4 (01:41:09):
How do you rise through the ranks from little old
New Zealand to the point you were editing big, terrifying
Hollywood horror movies.

Speaker 29 (01:41:16):
Well, I work with a good friend, Mark Beasy on
Outrageous Fortune, who's a really good director and producer, and
so he introduced me to Rob Tappitt.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
Rob Tappett, who you know was one of the three
originators of Evil Dead.

Speaker 29 (01:41:31):
Yeah, him, Rob, Sam Raimie, Bruce Campbell. They decide they're
going to kick off a new Evil Dead film and
they got in fed A albres So. I met with
Fede and we kind of clicked and that film did
really well, and I was really proud of it. And
then it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:48):
Was it was horrible.

Speaker 29 (01:41:49):
It was it was a horrible Yeah, it was very traumatizing,
very traumatized.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
It was horrible, And I mean that has a compliment.

Speaker 29 (01:41:55):
Well, thank you. Yeah, it's always fun to go into
a cinema and when you cut horror and that that's
the real kick. If you get in with an audience
and you see people like reacting it, so it's a
reaction type genre. You waiting for it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:09):
People need to see horrors in movie theaters if they can.
It's a totally different experience than been watching it in
the comfort of your own home, especially The Mummy. This
latest one. Talk us through the process because on The
Mummy you were right there through the production and for
months and months afterwards in a dark edit Sweeten Island, right.

Speaker 29 (01:42:28):
Yes, Well, basically me and Lee, you know we did
after we did Rise. You know, we got really close
and you get really close the editor director relationships like
no other relationship on set. You're there from before, you're
there during, and then you're there just with the trauma
of Okay, there's always a period of trauma after the shoot.

(01:42:48):
You know how we're going to pull this together. Basically
I work really close with them. He let me read
the script over two years ago. Then three months before
the shoot I started doing storyboards with him, adding sound,
efics and music to them. Then I went to Ireland
and I was on set editing, which is really the
best experience we've ever had. So they're cutting the camera,
I'm taking the shot up to the suite. I'm putting

(01:43:10):
it in, especially for action sequences. Taking it down to Lee,
We're going, that's working, that's not working. We need to
do this, so very very interactive. Then into the suite,
got a huge assembly. Then the pressure is ready on.
We went into the suite every day, pulled the curtains,
shut the door, and we worked six seven day weeks,

(01:43:30):
sometimes thirty days in a row. I was doing sometimes
huge sound mixes for test screenings, nineteen hour sound mixes,
and it just went. This film was like you know
when you watch it, Yeah, it was editing. It was
just it was just exciting but tough. We work so hard, yeah,
and we and all the.

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
Way up to the end.

Speaker 29 (01:43:52):
It was just a really really intense.

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
Edit, so intense and long and grueling.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
And you talk about the relationship between editor and director but.

Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
Laughs as well.

Speaker 29 (01:44:07):
Yeah, mainly at my expense, Lee, Lee. The Irish humors
is you know, like you always know, Irish people worry
when they when they're nice to If someone's nice to
you in Ireland, it's like then oh it's like New Zealand,
like you know, someone one puts you down. It's actually
and so you know i'd be working away and Lee
would just be tormenting me like a bit like Haiti

(01:44:28):
for hours.

Speaker 6 (01:44:29):
But no, we did.

Speaker 29 (01:44:30):
But there was of course tears, and there was also
robust debate and you name it it was. It was
Lee hears a lot and I care a lot, and
we fight hard for the film and that's always at
the front of our minds. But I tell you, like,
we were in a sound stage doing the mex in
l A and we looked at each other and we're
saying shit, ha. We worked in a suite like besides

(01:44:53):
the shoot, We're in an sweet for like eight months
and we never went to lunk. We never left the room.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Yeah, Well, so it is one of the scariest movies
I've ever seen. So so from an editing perspective, how
do you build that level of terror in an edit?

Speaker 29 (01:45:14):
Well, it's basically like I said, it's like we just
have to constantly experiment with every version of every scene.
So most scenes there's forty to fifty versions of every
individual scene, and then there's over I've got over one
hundred and fifty versions of this film and some big changes,

(01:45:35):
some small changes, some structurally, So it's just constantly making
sure and the rarely experiments a lot. He'll be giving
me the idea one, I'm doing it, He's got idea
two and three coming at me, so he's constantly is
this really the best way we can do this? Is
that shot just a bit too long? And then on
top of it, what I do, which is a bit

(01:45:55):
more unusual, is I work really closely with the sound
designer from the assembly stage. So I believe the interaction
on any film, but particularly horror, is picture, sound and
music it working together early.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
Yes, Yeah, so that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
So people say Brian that no one really knows what
the story they are telling until they get into the
edit suite. So when you're editing, is everything on the
table in terms of cuts that you're able to work with?

Speaker 6 (01:46:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:46:25):
Basically, my attitude towards any film is you've got the script,
and these scripts to be honest, whole, pretty tight. Sometimes
we'll go all the way down all these rabbit holes
and try one hundred different versions or something and come
back to it, Well, actually the script that order works.
Having said that, I tend to I did a lot

(01:46:45):
of documentaries early, so I just look at it and
I just think I can put any single shot anywhere,
I like if it makes it better, So you just
keep an open mind, really open mind.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
Does it scare you the movie at all? When you're
sitting there this week? Can you get outside of it? Because
I watch it and I don't know anything. I haven't
read the script, I haven't seen any of the takes.
I wasn't on set, so I start to believe it's
real and my heat and part of my head. Is
there any part of you that enters into the film
and believes the characters and gets a little bit creeped out?

Speaker 29 (01:47:19):
But I think, I mean, I've watched it over two
hundred and perfect times, so don't I don't think it
does anymore, I think, but I do try. And when
I'm doing the first cut, I have this theory about
anything I cut that there's this moment when you first
get it where you're the audience, like there's the first
time you see footage.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
Yeah, And I try.

Speaker 29 (01:47:41):
To hold that the very and I try to a
really fast first cut where I'm just emotionally responding to it.
Fair you know, there's a lot of emotion in the
film as well. In my first cut, I try to
tap into that and then then refine it. I don't
initially over watch all the footage. Then I watch a
lot of the footage, so you're right now, it probably doesn't.

(01:48:03):
I tend to look around the room and enjoy watching
other Yeah, be traumatized, but yes, there was definitely trauma.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
Yeah. And it must be a great moment when you
say when you were sitting watching it, it must be great
when you first watch it with the final audio max,
the final score, everything played out, so it is an
actual movie finished.

Speaker 29 (01:48:23):
Yeah, I mean one hundred percent. I mean I'm working
in this suite. I've got well, you know, I'm working
with temp music, temp sound effects. Although I do get
a lot of sound design early from Peter Orbrison who
was just this abs genius sound designer. But you know,
I got forty tracks. I'm doing my best. Then you

(01:48:45):
go to the sound stage and it was it was
in Copenhagen where Peter lives, and it's amazing. You walk
into this room. It's a full seven point one Dolby
at my stage and they're mixing it. And that's the
first time actually where I'm seeing it on a big screen.
And I mean they're running one thousand tracks of audio. Yeah,

(01:49:06):
and it's just yeah, it really comes alive. That's when
it really comes alive from there is when you start
to hear that sound, which is once again where you've
got to see this sort of thing has to be
in a cinema. Yes, you're not going to get the
experience in your lounge with you're just not sound wise.

Speaker 26 (01:49:23):
Ye.

Speaker 29 (01:49:23):
So anyway, so that you're right, that's the big kick
for me is when I first get to the soundstage.

Speaker 3 (01:49:28):
Incredible in a movie thera and agy. So you've got
to be in that theater to experience it. What do
you think movies are so hard to get right?

Speaker 25 (01:49:35):
Ah?

Speaker 29 (01:49:36):
Yes, thought I thought about this quite a lot. I
think basically it's deceptive that you think about the sound
stage has a thousand tracks, right, every single thing is
bespoke and made like the poor canary at the front
is you know that is a robotic canary. Everything there's

(01:49:58):
a million moving parts, hundreds of people making it, and
every one of those parts and every one of those
people needs to work perfectly. If any piece fails, then
the whole thing fails. If any scene fails, the whole
movie fails. If any performance fails, the whole film fails.
So My job is constantly to stay critical of everything,

(01:50:19):
including my own work. But then on top of it,
I think there's a dark art and there's a certain
magic and just chance in filmmaking. And so it's like music.
If everyone knew the formula for a number one hit,
every band would just have a million hit songs. But
you just can't quite define it because films are basically

(01:50:39):
they're kind of living and breathing things. From the minute
you roll to the minute you lock the cut and
the sound mix, the thing is just constantly changing. So yeah,
I think it's just a bit of magic in it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Yeah, you've obviously edited comedy and horror, and in horror
there's always comedy. Horror for some reason, is a great
genre for little stabs of comedy. So what gives you
more satisfaction scaring the crap out of someone or making
them laugh?

Speaker 6 (01:51:10):
Well?

Speaker 29 (01:51:11):
Both really, both really, And some horror fans really get it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
Yeah, you know, they just get it.

Speaker 29 (01:51:16):
It's sort of like, you know, it's that dark yellows humor.

Speaker 4 (01:51:18):
Yeah, some people who goes too fart with you when
it goes that extra step and you're kind of almost
angry at the filmmakers you're like, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
With my emotions here.

Speaker 5 (01:51:26):
There was a few moments.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
In this film of like you've added about two or
three things on top of my already well outside my
comfort zone.

Speaker 6 (01:51:33):
Oh no, I was reading this.

Speaker 29 (01:51:35):
So there's there's literally people who can't clip their nails
at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
This is going to be a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
You're right, You're right.

Speaker 6 (01:51:45):
It's a real kick.

Speaker 29 (01:51:45):
But I think comedy horror, I mean, I love Yeah, yeah,
if you could do both, I mean yeah, I mean
that that's the kick, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
Well, oh my god, Jesus, something from the movie. Don't
do that to me. You're too free now for that mate.

Speaker 25 (01:52:01):
Tone.

Speaker 6 (01:52:01):
I was getting your mail.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
So, Brian, you're undoubtedly, you know, our best film and
TV editor, and you've saved my arsenal these two major productions.
It's hard to do in the past. Was it was
a pleasure come and saved the day. So so I'm
so pleased to watch you succeed on the on the
bigger stage. And you know, The Mummy, it's just such

(01:52:23):
a terrifying but brilliantly you know, created movie with with deep,
deeper messages that that may I not may or may
not be you know, understood by everyone, but just a
fantastic movie and you're a fantastic human being in a
great New Zealander. And thanks for so much for coming
and talking to us.

Speaker 29 (01:52:42):
Thanks very much.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
I appreciate it, really enjoyed that. That is Brian, sure
of course.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
And Lee Cronan's The Mummy is in theaters across the
country right now. Go and see it. And you've got
to go see it at the theater. The atmosphere that
she had experience it is terrifying and beautiful and you'll
think about it for a long time afterwards.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
The bigger the screen, in the in, the louder the sound,
the better for yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Yeah, Brian, thanks again. Right is news Talks, there'd be
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