Full Show Podcast: 25 August 2026

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 25th of August 2026, the Government has made moves on a social media ban - Afternoons listeners share their experiences with their kids.
  
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Be good eighty you welcome and to Tuesday show. Have
you having a great afternoon and thanks very much for
giving us listen Matt Heath, Hello, Hello.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Tyler Adams, Hello New Zealand. Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number gives a call. Would be great
to check this afternoon about some topics. But before we
get onto those, I have solved one of the great
problems of modern living.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Wow, okay, this sounds good.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
There's a great tease, well for those of us that
order my food bag and the like and various other
things arrive at your house, because maybe you've got a
fiance that orders quite a lot of things that arrive
in cardboard boxes. So, yeah, hypothetical, in any given week,
there's a lot of cardboard coming into the US, and
you're recycling only goes out every two weeks, yes, and
so you're constantly having to weird everything into the recycling bin.

(01:15):
And al One's just came in. It was immediately fulled
by stuff that was beside the I know the pain. Yeah,
and I didn't have enough time last night to go
out on a ninja mission to place it in other
people's recycling bents, right, And it's hard to do it
with the recyclment stuff anyway. I mean, you know, I
put some of our other rubbish and some other people's bins.
Solved the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Okay, so what's happened.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm going to get a brazier. Well, I can't believe
it's been sitting right in front of me. I'm going
to burn the rubbish, burn it in my yard. I'm
going to get a brazier. I'm gonna call it Graham.
Graham Brazier, after the the lead singer of Hello Sailor Rop.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
You put some thought into this, so Graham Brazier. So
you're going to sit it? Are you going to have
we we cheers and captures around it?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
So there's going to be an outdoor feature that you'll
just save up all this cardboard, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I'll do that so it looks like I'm not just
burning rubbish, becau. I know that you know the council
frowns on your burning rubbish.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
You need a loophole here. It needs to look like
it's for entertainment view.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, but really I'm just going to be burning all
the cardboard and rubbish and then and freeing up space
in my recycling pin. I'm actually envious of you. I
think there's tracy to order more and more things that
just keep arriving at a door in cardboard boxes.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
There's that little joy in life when you got too
much garbage and you need to find out something to
do with it, so you just set it on fire
and just watch it from a distance. That is one
of the joys in life. I don't think you're quite
a Priori maniac. It's just means, you know, people like
watching watching stuff burned.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I was staying in a woolshed down south recently in
like Hayes district, and there was a there was a
fire in there and nothing brings more joy to Tracy Begain.
It was just dudes because we had some people visiting
and any when a visitors came round in the fire
and all the guys were trying to start a fire. Yeah,

(03:03):
if we can start a fire, we will start a fire.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Rightah, there's a laugh rhymal about it.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
So just brings me so much joy that I'm going
to get a Graham Brasier, or a Brasier called Graham,
and I'm going to just burn all my rubbish and
then I won't have to be even trouble the refuse
transfer center. That the rubbish will be just going up
into the.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Air as smoke, returning to nature.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Returning to nature, never to be seen again, just to
dissipate across into the atmosphere. Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's a circle of life. If you're running a brazier operation,
has met onto something here? Can I come around when
you burn all this cupboard?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
If someone says brazier is a bit small, go for
a forty four gallon bum drum works a treat, So
use a bum drum. Is like when you see someone
standing around homeless person in a movie.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I could go from a B I think that would
look good in your backyard.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I can't believe I haven't thought of this problem solving
rubbish burn it burn it easy, all right, problem solved.
All right, let's get into this discussion. It is the
big story over the last twenty four hours of the
government is moving ahead with a ban on social media
for under sixteens, but so far coalition partners ended first
and Act oppose it. So the bill would make platforms
like TikTok, Instagram and Facebook verify users ages with fines

(04:15):
of up to ten percent of global revenue for those
particular companies and corporation. So here's Erica Stamford explaining why
it's needed on the micro Hoskeen Breatfas show.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
We knew that this was really important. We know that
it's been done overseas, but it's been really hard for
them to get traction overseas, and we wanted to be
fast followers. If we'd done something immediately and not learned
from Australia and the mistakes that they made, we'd be
in a very different position. But I'm a lot more
confident now that we've taken the time, we've taken on

(04:45):
board this work and been that fast follower. Now we've
got all this evidence from the UK and the EU
and Australia, you know we're able to be in a
position with a much stronger piece of legislation. And remember
it's the very first time in our country's history we
have a dedicated Online Safety bill for children.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
So critics have pushed back of this. As you can imagine,
they say, teenagers will simply find ways around. She mentioned Australia. There,
Australia has come into a heck of a lot of
problems with their particular bill. Estimates are seventy to eighty
percent of children are still on social media despite that
bill in Australia. But Ian zed First has warned of
the potential digital IDs and privacy concerns, an idea which

(05:24):
is getting some traction. It was raised again by writer
and political commentator Annie O'Brien that is, banning smartphones for
the under sixteens go for the hardware rather than the software.
She argues it would be more effective for ourwing basic
phones or making it easier for parents to keep children
off social media themselves.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, it's an interesting idea, isn't it. So, As she says,
we could restrict the sale and position of smartphones for
under sixteens while permitting basic phones. Make it unloillful for
an under sixteen to hold a social media account, but
place the primary responsibility with that role on parents, rather
than constructing a system under which every adult Internet user

(06:01):
must continually demonstrate eligibility to technology companies. So basically helping
the kids without removing too much freedom from parents and
adults on the internet, and so, you know, making it
unlawful but not really policing it on the on the
online part of it, but treating cell phones like vapes

(06:24):
you can't be running around or a smartphone if you
are under sixteen.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, putting the onus on parents, effectively giving them that
control over what is illegal, giving them the ability to
say to their child, you cannot have a smartphone because
it is illegal.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
And it definitely wouldn't work, but that's not really the point,
and it definitely wouldn't work one hundred percent correct, but
it might work somewhat, and it might. What it might
actually do is give empowered parents to go, I can't
buy you that phone because you've got kids. Are on
parents asked to get them a flash iPhone from about
eight years old one. But if you go, oh, no,

(07:03):
I can't, it's illegal, so you just have to have this,
you know, little dumb phone. Then that gives parents at
least power. But my problem with all of it is
the wider, deeper, harder question, and that's whose job is
it to protect kids. Is it the government forcing big tech?
Or is it actually just come down to the parents,

(07:25):
because the parents may need the power to do this,
but you know, there's drinking, there's smoking, there's gambling, there's
all kinds of bad things that kids can do that
they're not supposed to do. And really the differences between
the parenting, isn't it in the end, and even with
the social media ban, even if you get it across
the line, parenting really comes into it because kids will
find a way around. And if you're if you're just

(07:46):
leaving up to the government and big tech to take
charge of it, then something's going to slip through the cracks,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, that is the broader question, right, and that's what
we're asking of you. O eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Who should be responsible for keeping children off
social media? If we can all agree that it is
harmful to under sixteen year olds to be on that platform.
Is it parents?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Is it the government?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Is it the platforms themselves who should be targeted?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Here tell you what, even really good parents, I had
fantastic parents, Bless them rop my lovely mum, But my
dad's still with us, and what a great dad he's
always been. But I was still smoking cigarettes at thirteen.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Sheez, you're a rebel when you're thirteen. Yeah, behind the
bike sheds.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
No, because I lived in the barn. My room was
above the barn on the farm.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Where'd you get the stickies? Wrong?

Speaker 3 (08:29):
We stole them from Jaden's parents down next door, way
down the Jaden's old man ever find out you were
nicking his six? Amazing? He didn't, right. I think he
was traveling a lot. He was bringing back a lot
of cardons of six. Were they tailies? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Oh, Mace, she's tailor's at thirteen Benson and Hedges, b
and H.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I'm surprised you can still run and do marathons now. Oh,
there were spe strong, strong lungs. There were special filters.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like it right. One hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nineteen nine
two is the text. It is quarter past one, back
in a few.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
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Speaker 2 (09:07):
Be eighteen past one and we're talking about the social
Media band. So the legislation has been presented and highly
likely it will get all go through next year, granted
if labor comes to the table. But the question for
you is who's responsibly is it to keep young kids
of social media?

Speaker 3 (09:26):
One hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call, Lucy,
Welcome to the show. Thanks for calling your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
Hi, guys, So, I have a ten and a twelve
year old, two boys, and I often have conversations with
friends and they go, oh, you're so lucky that your
kids play outside. You're so lucky that your kids still
play with toys. I can't get mine off my device,

(09:52):
off their devices. I well, my kids aren't allowed devices.
It's that simple. We just choose to parent. And I
think a lot of people expect parenting to be easy
and they don't really want conflict and they want to
be their.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
Kid's best friend.

Speaker 7 (10:15):
We talk about it, and we talk about why it's
not good. My twelve year old has a dumb phone
because he rides his bike about two and a half
kilometers to school, so we have a dumb phone for
just in case. But yeah, I'm a firm believer of
just parenting and it's our responsibility to keep them safe.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I think what happens to Lucy as I've got a
couple of points on this specially. I think what happens
is there comes a point we're out at a restaurant
or whatever, you're busy, and you just hand your kids
the phone because you know that they are it's going
to keep them quiet, and that's how it starts, right,
and then they get a taste for it. So did

(10:59):
you ever do that? Would you ever hand them your device?

Speaker 9 (11:02):
No?

Speaker 7 (11:02):
And interestingly, my mother in law, like we would turn
up for dinner and my mother in law would go, oh,
it's okay, I've bought the iPad, and I said, open
my dead body, put the iPad away.

Speaker 8 (11:14):
We take.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Conversation, so we take we take coloring, or we involve
them in the conversation. But that's what I just I
struggle to comprehend. Like I see kids with in strollers,

(11:37):
whether a phone or an iPad, and I'm like, why
are you not looking at the colors of the leaves
and the clouds moving and the flat You know, the.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Thing is, it's so much Once they've got the buzz
of looking at a device, that stuff's not good enough
for them anymore just seeing you know, seeing a digger
and going, oh, look at digger. Hey mum, look at
the digger, Look at the crane. You know that that's
not good enough anymore. Once they get the overstimulation of
steering at a device. So once you choose to do

(12:08):
it once right, just to get yourself off, then I
think you're setting yourself up for a bit of a problem.
But do you think you're in advantage? Just my second point,
because my kids were my two sons were two years apart,
and I always thought it was really lucky because they
were able to play together, so they could go out
and they play their sword fights or whatever crazy stuff
they wanted to do, and that was almost that was

(12:29):
more fun than anything else they could do, you know,
just just because age get between them.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
I would disagree, mine argue a lot. And although they
play outside together, the easiest option, which we do do
occasionally is put them in front of a movie or
put them in front of netflex because that's like guaranteed
peace and quiet if they're outside. It does involve conflicts,

(13:01):
negotiation and.

Speaker 8 (13:05):
Loom skills.

Speaker 10 (13:07):
But yeah, I suppose we just never we never really
did the device thing and I've just always held my
ground and I suppose demonstrated.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
It as well, like phones don't go in the bedroom
if they're not at the dinner table.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
And yeah, it's.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
Just the lifestyle that we choose. But it definitely comes
down to the parenting, which is why I have these
conversations with friends where they're going, oh, you're so lucky,
and it's like, well, it's.

Speaker 10 (13:40):
Not really luck.

Speaker 7 (13:41):
It's parenting, and it's clearly not lucky because it requires
a lot of efforts the easier option.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, and yeah, as you say, a bit of crisis
management and confrontation all that kind of stuff. But you say,
said that your oldest son is twelve and it's got
a dumb phone. Now, the other thing that parents worry about,
and that's coming into the teenage years, is the socializing
part of it, and that their kids will get left
out of you know, circles because the circles communicate with

(14:14):
the phones. And that is often the reason we'll go, well,
I don't want my kid to be, you know, a
social pariah because they can't communicate. Is that Are you
prepared to deal with that as the thirteen fourteen fifteen
comes around?

Speaker 7 (14:28):
Yeah, we well, we kind of just go with the
text message.

Speaker 10 (14:32):
I suppose we talk about group chats. I'm quite glad that.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
You're not in a group chat. And I'm sure people
will disagree and say, oh, they're missing out on this
and they're missing out on this. But the reason we
did the dumb phone was so that they wouldn't mess
out on that social because I think back to when
I was younger, we spent hours after school on a

(14:59):
landline chatting to your friends like you hadn't seen them
all day, and I didn't want that to be messed
So there are text messages and things, and we check
and they can make plans and off they go. I'm
not saying it won't get harder as it gets as
get older, but I think it's just having those open conversations.

(15:23):
It was interesting. I took them to see Toy Story five.

Speaker 11 (15:27):
I don't know if you guys have seen it, but
it's a big.

Speaker 7 (15:30):
When for not going on the tech right and keeping
them off it and just the beauty of play and imagination.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
And isn't it isn't it funny? Though I haven't seen
that yet, but isn't it funny? Where the where the
battle lines are drawn because you know, when you watched
earlier episodes of the Simpsons, it was all about parents
using TV as a babysitter and and and you know
you talk about the being on the landline, all the

(16:00):
arguments in our house, Sade three sisters, was just the
incredible focus on who was on the landline. Next of
one of my sisters is on her boyfriend for two
hours and I want to ring up my mate to
talk about football or whatever. You know, that was so.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Much plug in the dialer es.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, suddenly someone's trying to come through to little man.
Forgot about that. Yeah, all right, Hey, thank you so
much for your call, Lucy, and good luck with us kids.
You sound like a great mum.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty, So you
like Lucy? I mean, clearly Lucy had to put on
the hard work, as she said, But have you gone
the full hog like Lucy? And refuse to give your
children the smartphones if they're twelve ten maybe a little
bit older. And how has that gone for you? Nine
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Speaker 12 (17:55):
To the social media band for under sixteen is coming
sort of Instagram, TikTok Facebook? What do they do? They
need to check users River sixteenth. Great Young is the
boss at Tech Users Association. So if they were in
boots and all and threw everything at it still be
able to go.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I can get around it.

Speaker 13 (18:10):
Our teams are very clever. There are ways around these things.
The social media organizations were all boots in, it would
just drive people to other platforms as well.

Speaker 14 (18:19):
And that's one of the concerns.

Speaker 13 (18:20):
This is not an issue that the government can just legislate.
This is something that we all need to be into
and I understand why parents are concern.

Speaker 12 (18:27):
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Speaker 2 (18:34):
Twenty nine past one. We're talking about the social media ban.
Plenty of text coming through.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
The examples being used to justify restricting under sixteens from
social media miss the point. If I give my kid
a phone at a cafe to watch a video, that's
not the problem. The issue is protecting kids from harms
of social media says the text to give kids smart devices,
but control what those devices can access. Trying to control
who can buy smartphones as pointless too. I've got several
old smartphones at home I could hand to my kids.

(18:59):
Control the information access, not the device. Yeah, I guess
the point is that you could hand those smartphones for
your kids. But it's at all for the parents to
say you're not allowed a smartphone. So you're asking me
to do something illegal, and that gives the parent the
power over there, you know, gives them but a backup.
That's the argument. You're just being unfair. You're saying, oh,

(19:23):
go to jail if I give you the smartphone, kid, Yeah,
to go to jail, that kind of thing. But also
the other thing is the example is being used just
for restricting under sixteen. If I give my kid a
phone at a cafe to watch a video, that's not
the problem. Yeah, Although what we were talking about before
was that that is what we're talking about with Lucy

(19:45):
on the phone before was that you do that to
solve a problem at the cafe. But then that is
so entertaining for the kid, and there's such a dopamine
hip from it, and it's so overwhelming that it's very
hard to get them back to the state where they
can just sit at a cafe and you know, draw

(20:05):
with crayons or whatever it was. That doesn't give quite
that they they their ability to be less stimulated as lost.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
You solve a short term problem, yea, facing a bigger
problem down the track when they want more of that.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, so if they'd never if they never get the device,
then they never get stimulated as much as the device
stimulates them, and then maybe they find other ways to
entertain themselves, Like you know when you used to say
the your parents on board, and they'll go, hello, bored,
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Great line. Yeah, this sticks to just quickly was pushing
back and Lucy, oh please, that lady is saying all
the right things about parenting, but parents need the help
sometimes of a distracting screen for the kids. Also, kids
will be weird if they're not somewhat online. As a
busy working mum, life is busy enough. Everything in moderation.
Surely she sounds like hard work. Good for her, but

(20:52):
definitely not a common experience with most parents.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Don't you want your kids to be a bit weird?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Is it weird or unique.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, you know, what do you want?

Speaker 15 (21:01):
You want?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Cookie cut of kids pushing against the grain, exactly the
same as all the other kids.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Another brick in the wall, Yeah yeah, be a little
bit weird, not too weird though, be a little bit weird.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah. And we can then maybe do different things, you know,
maybe that you'll find your niche through your weirdness.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
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Speaker 2 (22:36):
Thank you very much, Wendy. So, the government has presented
their proposal for the social media ban that would see
under sixteens be banned from the likes of TikTok, Instagram
and Facebook unless they verify users ages and finds of
up to ten percent of global revenue for those platforms
if they don't comply that.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
But I need to see how they could get that
across the line that But in New Zealand's the New
Zealand government trying to get that kind of money out
of meta.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
If we can take their money, I don't think they're
going to give it up freely.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
You're in trouble. Zucker married Wow stirty three billion dollars
because a fifteen year old got on the bloody in
Facebook the other day. That's exactly how it's going to
go to here. Yeah, welcome to show HUGO, good fellows,
tell you good mate, thanks for calling your thoughts on.

Speaker 15 (23:23):
This my thoughts this catch teep. I'm on my sick marriage.
First one. I was more of a friend to the family.
I was a bit of a young fellow, didn't really
know much about a perioding. It gave it a go.
But yeah, it takes me back to when I was

(23:44):
a young fellow and we used to have, you know,
TV for us was Saturday mornings what Now, And then
we did the after school cartoons, and we used to
hire a horror video game console and we used to

(24:05):
you know, susinett thing all night long until the cows
come home over the weekend, so we've got the day free,
you know. And that was sally for us. But then
it was outside building tree cuts, building building, motocross jumps,
skateboard ramps, skateboard jumps, shooting rabbits and and all that

(24:26):
sort of carry on. And I've and i've and I've
sort of looked back my first two kids. They they
went right through the second thing of the social media,
and I gets this appearance. We were sort of pushing
that with our you know, we used to love being

(24:46):
able to chuck the wiggles on and then then go
up and do our things. And it was great because
it gave us a bit of a bit of time
to do our things.

Speaker 14 (24:57):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 15 (25:01):
Yeah, these days, like I've my two at the moment
of fourteen and twelve, and I did an experiment where
I said, leave them to it. Let's I said, I
bet you they'll spend all day on on this thing.
And and yeah, it happened. They spent the whole day.

(25:22):
They didn't they didn't get out of the air, didn't
get out of the beds man, they lay.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
An iPad or what was it, Yeah, all day long
and they didn't even get out of their pajamas.

Speaker 15 (25:37):
And it was just like well, yeah, and they were
also speaking American, and I was thinking to myself, where's
this coming from? And it's this it's this YouTube stuff
as well so if you're gonna if you're going to
be in was it Instagram, TikTok.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
And YouTube, there's on the less as well.

Speaker 15 (25:56):
To stop there because these these things man there so legal.
And but on the on the saint you know, And
that's their argument every time I hit them up and say, hey,
this stuff your brain, they just do you do it too?
And I just well, I'll discovered to sit there scroll
and doom, scrolling. And but it's it's really it's it's

(26:19):
something that needs to it's something that that we need
to do something about. But like I like Lucy's Lucy's
approach and Lucy's answer and and and it's true, you know,
it comes with good parenting, not the government or anyone else.
And and and I just think that, yeah, that the

(26:41):
the parenting side of it is so important. And we've
got this thing now where because I used to I
used to just pull the Wi Fi, pull the power,
you know, go and stack the firewood, go and made
the lawns go, wash the car, go back in the
car now and and uh now, but that used to,
that used to that used to hurt me because then

(27:03):
I had no WiFi. So we've now got this we've
now got this app and we can we can the
missage looks after she's an iPhones and ip iPhone thing.
I wish he was here. I could do some advertising
for it. But that's great because they are on a
limit and we just cut it. That's the screen time.

(27:25):
And another thing that I find hand is just being
involved with their social media's and whatnots, their snapchats and
and things, so that I can see what they're posting.
I can see what they're up to, and we we
sort of played the good cop bedcock. But yeah, my
other two kids from my first marriage a classic example

(27:48):
of how things can go the wrong way from too
much of this.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
But yeah, yeah, I think sharing Hugo, Yeah, that that's
so true, the idea that if you did let them
just go, then they would just go all day. Oh
here you but from an adult perspective, as Hugo saying,
like the doom scrolling that we do and how addictive
it is, and if you allow yourself to doom scroll
a little bit, and I do because I go, oh, look,
well look you know some stuff for the show finding content. Yeah, yeah,

(28:17):
that we might talk about on Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons on News Talks EB and then I'll look
up and that's an hour later. Easy, and I've been
taken down several rabbit holes. Got absolutely nothing to do
with any kind of content. So the level of addiction
from that hitting an adult, I mean, you throw that
under ten year old, a twelve year old, an eight

(28:37):
year old.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
They got no chance, They got no chances. Yeah, Hugo,
thank you very much for your call. Are you with Hugo? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty tell us it is eighteen to.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Two, a fresh take on talk Back. It's Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty US TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
News Talks THEB. It is sixteen to two. We're talking
about the proposed social media ban. So the government clearly
wants to ban social media for anyone under sixteen and
find the platforms ten percent if they don't comply.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I was thinking about this, this text to his boys.
The real question with Hugo is did he really do
an experiment or was he actually running a punishing hangover?
Great question. I mean the day that Hugo decided to
do the experiment of just letting his kids stay on
a device all day.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Highly likely Sunday, maybe a dusty Sunday.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
It'd be a good, good, good day to do that.
Good Saturday. I think I'm want to run an experiment today,
really really for a mess of interesting. Part of that
experiment will be eating a lot of junk food and
potentially having a bit of here a dog around lunchtime.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
It's a genius strategy. Ben your thoughts.

Speaker 15 (29:43):
Here, guys.

Speaker 17 (29:44):
Look, I think this is a complete waste of time
and taxpayer money to bring this in.

Speaker 15 (29:50):
I've got a what's old of you?

Speaker 17 (29:51):
Old that's just turned thirteen yesterday gratulation on social media
Happy birthday. Thanks Yeah. So look, I won't be banning
it I have. I won't be enforcing any kind of
band whatsoever. He's great with social media. The horse has bolted, mate,
Let's be honest delusional as a parent if you think
you can stop this. If the horse has bolted, he's

(30:12):
already told me five ways how to get around the band.
And it's basically in Australia, all the kids are putting
up on TikTok how to get around these bands and that,
so they all know it already, so it's not gonna
do it's not gonna stop anything made in Australia. Most
of them, they said, over eighty percent of them are
still on it. Well, it comes down to you as
a parent, monitoring what your kids are doing, sitting down

(30:37):
with them, telling the pros and cons and the wrists
when things pop up, and just just keeping in an
eye on what they're watching. That's all you can do.
Like my son, so during the weekend we go around
the op shops on a Saturday. He buys little knick
knacks and he then jumps on chats ebt and does
marketing photographs and he posts them on TikTok and Facebook

(30:59):
and he probably probably makes about eighty or one hundred
bucks every weekend.

Speaker 11 (31:03):
Wow you know yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 17 (31:05):
Well, you know, like charity shops and you pick up
an item pretty you're helping out the charity shop. He's
making some money off them.

Speaker 10 (31:12):
Mate.

Speaker 17 (31:13):
I've taught him how to use chet GBT. I'm starting
to teach him how to use cord. Look, it's these
are a great thing, mate, but you have to be
a parent and you have to teach them the limits
and well what are the.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Limits for you being how much is too much? And
what kind of stuff do you think is not good?
And what's okay?

Speaker 17 (31:33):
Yep, So, like he was watching off his mates about
eighteen months ago, watching the Andrew Tate. Now, at the start,
I didn't have a problem with it because I thought, oh,
this guy's got some good points. But then it just
went completely out of control and I thought, no, no,
we've got to nip this in the butt. So we did.
And so it's just stuff like that. It's just monitoring
what your kids are watching.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
How do you do that? Do you do you look
over his shoulder or do you ask him? Or how
do you know what he is what he is saying?

Speaker 8 (32:00):
Ben?

Speaker 17 (32:01):
No, No, look, look, in this situation, you've got to
become sort of like a friend, because if you're not,
they're just going to do it behind your back and
you're not going to have any knowledge whatsoever. So we
will sit down to give it, we'll watch some stuff
if I'm not happy with it, or let them know,
and and we'll go from there. And normally it works
out quite well that we jump on someone else, We

(32:22):
start someone else of Checker's history. Okay, Like I've got
his phone hooked up to the Google accounts, so I
know what he's watching and that I've got his social
media passwords, but I never go on to check him.
But just him knowing that I've got his passwords, you know,
is enough to keep that in line there.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
But how you say that you know they're on TikTok
saying they can get around government restrictions that they're bord
in Australia. Do you say that means so he can
get around being restrictions at home? Well, you know.

Speaker 17 (32:52):
What you said, Well that's what That's why we do
it the way we do it, so so it's more
openness rather than just telling them off for doing something,
you know, show them a better way or show them something.
We're actually telling them the pros and con sit down
with them, because if you just ban it and say no,
they're just going to do it anyway behind your back
and you're going to have no control.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah like me, we're risky, me and smoking cigarettes when
I was a kid. Yeah, the tailey's from your mate's dad.
But and have you had any major blow ups about
it or you know, or have you managed to keep
it cordial? Back and forth? Mates sort of talking about
it with your son, Ben, Has there been any sort
of standoffs?

Speaker 14 (33:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (33:32):
I think over the andrew T thing, definitely was. It
took us a few weeks to knit that one, but
but we ended up doing it. And then when the
guy got arrested the first time in Romania, that sort of,
you know, it sort of was like, oh, you know,
we can't be watching this guy anymore. So you know
that worked in our favor. But look at you if
you're just planing, say no, mate, they're going to do

(33:55):
it and you don't want that. You want them to
be open with you and come to you when there's
an issue.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
What about restricting smartphones?

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Ben?

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Do you see any blowback there? Because you, as a parent,
you've got that system. You're open with your boy and
it's working well. So that's not really going to stop you,
is it. But for changing that social norm that it's
it's not legal for an under sixteen to have a
phone in general society, do you think that would help
some other parents?

Speaker 17 (34:19):
I think not when the horse has bolted with my son,
but my daughters too, and I think that might help
with her because you know, growing up she had you know,
she's she does have a phone that she uses when
we go away on long shops equips to the back
of the seat.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
But.

Speaker 17 (34:37):
She doesn't have it all the time or anything. So
I think in that sort of situation, yes, but not
kids that are already using it, it's just not going
to work.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
I think parents like you been that are zoned in
and you know, attentive of your kids and concerned about it,
will probably guide your kids through whatever the situation is
and they'll probably get out of it because there's lots
of temptations as gambling, there's alcohol, there's whatever. Right, there's
a million temptations out there, and there's parents like you
that are obviously zoned in and thinking about it and
finding the way through. But the problem with all these

(35:06):
things is that if a parent isn't zoned in, then
whatever era we're in, then the kid's going to find
something bad to get involved in.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Isn't that kind of when you go back to the
parenting situation, you can't. You know, kids that aren't don't
have good parents are just have a much harder path
through no matter what the government says.

Speaker 17 (35:32):
I would agree with that, But what I would also
agree with is, let's be honest, kids are smarter than
a lot of us teak wise, they're very tech savvy.
If they want to get around something, they will. And
if you're not engaged and you're just straight banding it,
you're going to get absolutely no way becus. You're still
going to do it.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Thanks for cool, Ben. Yeah, so he says, embrace the future.
Just be there for one of a better word, co
pilot on it.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, no, everything they're doing fair enough to What
do you say though? One hundred and eighty ten eighty
is an uber call. It is eight to.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Two, Maddies Adams taking your calls on eight. It's mad
Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons news Dog.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
It is six to two.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Ben all social media and imprison Musk is this text?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's pretty good Jesus extreme.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Okay, all right, good luck taking now Musk. All right,
you good, good stuff. Thanks for that, Stalin, Okay, how
were you?

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Well, that'll do it.

Speaker 8 (36:33):
I'll keep it.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
It was kind of pretty smartphones, and I'm so thankful
because I kind of raised my boys before they said
it became so prolific. But that then, of course it
should PlayStations and such like. Anyway, long story shot, my
boys would just spend as much time as they couldn't
and yeah, I'm a very proactive parent. But anyway, one
day we had a planned power outage here in the
wire epper and sat told the boys and they were

(36:54):
all just like, oh no, my god. Well we're going
to play, you know, and all these things us in
the mind. So we got all the board games out.
We had a log fire, so we put a tin
of beans on the top and a jug of water
and we were able to make cups of tea and
we play all every single game that we could find
in the cup. Had a wonderful time, spent the whole
day with them. We had such a ball. Anyway, we

(37:14):
went through till about five o'clock, but the power came
back on at one. But they didn't tell the boys.
We've just had such a good time. And what it
is it is all about as a parent, investing as
much time as you can with your kids and interacting
with them. And if you're doing that, they don't feel
the need then to be interacting on devices or with

(37:35):
other people. And sometimes there's people they don't know, and yeah,
it's just investing the time in them.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Now. When the power was back on the next day,
when you had to admit the powers back on with
the kids putting out their hands when we played board
games again going forward, were they back to what they
were doing before?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Oh no, they laughed. They thought I was very funny.
But they did say that they'd had a good day.
And ever since then we you know, I read to
my kids when they were little and encouraging them a
real passion for reading, and because of that, they both
went in and got degrees at UNI. And you know,
it's just actually making the kids realize their potential and
that they don't need to be on the devices to

(38:12):
discover that potential, and that there's so many other things
that you can take part in and build up that
excitement in them for it.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
So you don't think the government needs to get involved.
You think it's I don't parents need to sort it
out now.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
I think they're trying to put a square peg in
a round hole and parents need to bloody get on
with it.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
And parents, good on you, Kate. We have to last.
We're out of time. The news headlines are coming in fast.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, but nicely said, and great to chat. We're going
to carry this on. Oh e one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call. What's your thoughts
on the social media proposal? Do you think it's going
to work? And whose responsibility is it to keep the
kids off social media? Parents, government or platforms? Tell us
news is next.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
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Speaker 2 (39:01):
Talk said, be very good afternoon's you welcome back into
the show. It is seven past and we're carrying on
our discussion about the social media band. So the government
is moving ahead with that particular proposal that social media
ban for under sixteens. Coalition partners in z First and
Act oppose it. But the bill would make platforms like TikTok,
Instagram and Facebook verify users ages with fines up to

(39:23):
ten percent of global revenue. But critics have already come out.
They say teenagers will simply find ways around it, pointing
to Australia's failures, while there's also concern around potential digital
IDs and other privacy issues for adults if the government
goes a little bit further. But the question we've got
for you is who should be responsible for monitoring the
social media and children?

Speaker 15 (39:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:44):
What do you think about any O'Brien's idea on the
thought crime Substacks's suggesting that we should be concentrating on
the devices. We could restrict the sale and possession of
smartphones for under sixteens while permitting basic phones, make it
unlawful for under sixteen to hold social media accounts, but
place the primary responsibility for the rule on parents rather

(40:05):
than constrict constructing a system under which every adult internet
user must continually demonstrate eligibility to technology companies. Because of course,
the thing is, if you make it too easy to
get around, then all the kids will get around it
and it does nothing. If you make it too hard,
then you start restricting access for adults, and you don't
want that in a free society, do you know? You

(40:26):
want people to get on there. There is another side
of this as well, you know, finding your community. Because
everyone always talks about the terrible harm of social media,
but some of it's pretty good. So, you know, some
of the stuff that my kids have found on social
media has been amazing, and not all of it's been good,
but some of it has been great. Finding you know,

(40:50):
people that are really interested into the things they're interested in,
Like one of my sons is very interested in horror writing,
and there's just a lot of great stuff there. And
that's why I think YouTube should definitely be outside of
this whole thing, because I think YouTube, whilst it can
take you down these rabbit holes and it's obviously got
some bad stuff in there as well, there's so much
that people learn YouTube, you know, in terms of you know,

(41:11):
my son got into this guy called Babbit Babick and
he just cooks things from movies and shows you finds
a piece of food that's in a movie and shows
you how to cook it. And my son became amazing
at cooking by following this. It took him into this
whole world of cooking. There's analysis of nearly anything you
want in the world. Learning to play guitar. Yes, you know.

(41:33):
YouTube has got just so many advantages in that area
that I never had.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
And it's not really social media, is it. You know,
Social media to me is vastly different to what YouTube.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I mean, I mean you can doom scroll through the
YouTube shorts, which which has had some of the same
downsides as TikTok and stuff, but YouTube you can be
I mean, I'm on YouTube all the time. I never
leave a comment. I've never left the comment. I don't
even really read the comments. I just watch what I
want to watch, which is like Rick Piato talking about music,
you know, Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Highlights, documentaries, analysis. Yeah, I mean learning how to do
anything that you need to do in life. It's on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
I was watched a half hour documentary on the disasters
and the Jaguar company last night. That would have been interesting.
It was very interesting. I had no idea they had
so many disasters, insane, you know, it took their rebrand
and then on top of that, they're shutting down manufacturing
go for those accumiliating e wounders and then getting hit
by a cyber bloody attack.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Can you send me the link for that tonight? That
sounds fascinating.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
So that's not social media, that's just education.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, you'd think so. Yeah, What do you say though,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and on the idea
of banning the hardware smartphones to under sixteens? Is that
a more workable option here rather than trying to police
the Internet, or at least police these big social media platforms.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
So I don't get it, says this text, Why shouldn't
we in prison musk he's making a trillion dollars off
social media misery, he deserves a bullet. A few problems
with this one. For a start, he's not making trillions
of dollars off social media. I think X that isn't
making him most of his money. Also, he doesn't his
companies are worth a certain amount. It's not match how
much he's making by the thing. And also I don't
know if New Zealand has the ability in prison and

(43:13):
prison American citizens.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
No, there's a big flaw in that particular strategy.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
And my fourth or third pushback on that particular text
is that kids aren't on X. X is for people
that want to punish each other around the minuties of
politics and an never ending furnace of semantics in a
cultural war of meaninglessness. Yes, mainly arguing against bots.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yep, I'm not on it anymore, But when I.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Was on it, that was why you so clearly see
someone rage baiting and then everyone taking the bait, and
most of it being robots, and then people getting into
huge arguments with you know, I think some of the
discussions on the X is not a single human being
in there. There might be one just battling away ruining
their own mental health on some issue that's just been

(44:07):
thrown up there because it's a great area and there's
lots of ways we can discuss it. Yeah, yeah, what
a great use of time that is. But you wouldn't
even need to include X in the social media band
because there's not together on there.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that? And
I would call a nine two nine two If you
want to send a text through it is twelve past two.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
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Speaker 14 (44:31):
Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk ZIB.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
News Talk z BA. So we're talking about the social
media band, the proposed legislation that the government wants to
push through. Is that the right way to deal with
this issue?

Speaker 18 (44:43):
Yet a Sunday, Well, Hi, there goes my approach to
all this was very, very different when my kids were young.
I used to keep the parcel of things, but they
used to use this Internet or these facilities for education purposes.
So up to the ear ten and then you shall

(45:06):
come back from school, have a bit of a faide
and then whatever was taught in the school. They used
to search it on the internet and watch it for
for two hours. Now, for example, a subject like waves
or subject like calculus, they used to watch all lectures
around the world which were happening on that particular subject

(45:29):
for their particular class. Wow. And that's how they actually
grew up. And next day when they used to go
back to school, they used to be laughing because they
knew everything that the other teacher is going to say.
So they used to sit down for for two hours
three hours, both of them, and both of them have
done Both of them have done so fantastically well. I
mean one is a very well qualified medical physicists, one

(45:52):
is my daughter is a nurse, and they both I
mean they did fantastically well. I mean I never had
any problems of you know, they're going to you.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Did you mandate that with them? Did you say that
as you were allowed to if you're on the internet,
it's educational.

Speaker 18 (46:07):
Now after the to the standard two year ten, I
used to monitor them because I had the password. So
I used to log in and I stribute to them,
and then I used to go back to control edge history,
and then I used to look what websites they've actually
been on and uh so, I mean I never found
any any in any of them, you know, diverting from
the fundra particular subject. But they used to be very
very constant on this. And then my son actually pitched

(46:30):
up on tubing. So he was number seven fastest Cuba
in the world when they had this competition here here
in Willington if yeah, well he was the seven fastest player.
And today he is an superbly talented chess player. That
all that he that he could learn from from YouTube

(46:53):
and he still watches a lot of programs on chess.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
This is my point, Sanja. I don't think YouTube should
be included in this, and I could be wrong here,
but I don't in Australia. But but YouTube brings so
many educational opportunities on YouTube.

Speaker 18 (47:10):
Yeah yeah, I mean my fan has done fantastically well.
I mean, I mean he was he picked up on cubing,
he did fantastically well there, he picked.

Speaker 14 (47:18):
Up on chess.

Speaker 18 (47:19):
He just I mean, now now he's thirty years he's
got a girlfriend and and all that. But but at
that age when when when he was a teenager or
he was he was he was going, I think he
did fantastically well. I mean, there was absolutely no problems
on internet monitoring.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
But after I gave up how long that was the
same James?

Speaker 18 (47:40):
This necessarily I mean year ten, he's he's thirty now,
so ten, he must have been more thirteen fourteen.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Did you direct them towards that stuff, Sunjay or there
was his pace?

Speaker 14 (47:51):
Yeah, he directed until he actually directed them.

Speaker 18 (47:54):
He also learned typing on on the on the internet YouTube.
I mean now he can he can, he can type
his his his gluts off. He could become very very
fast typer. That that he that he actually learned was
over the Internet.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
So you're you're obviously an attained of parent that that's
focused on your kids and you were monitoring in them
very can you see that you are?

Speaker 18 (48:18):
I mean Indians are focused on a parentcident there. They
would they would never let the let their kids go.

Speaker 15 (48:23):
Here and there there.

Speaker 18 (48:24):
We would monitor them till the till the time we can.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Do you think that there is possibly parents that aren't
as focused as you and that they maybe do need
help from the government to get their kids on social media?

Speaker 14 (48:37):
No?

Speaker 18 (48:37):
Absolutely not nobody help. I mean pending triending is you
it's your I mean, it's it's the passion. Once you
grow the trust on you on your kids, let them go.
I mean after the year, tend manal monitor them. They
were grown up. They knew what they were doing. I mean,
if you if you look at typing. He learned his
entire skills today. I mean he in his in his

(49:01):
office this particular skill aguement which I which I actually
gave him as as as a task or during his
school holidays.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Did you kids have good social good social lives as
well out there, because some people say that, you know,
like when they're restricted from being on social media, they don't.
Not that un.

Speaker 18 (49:20):
No, No, I mean obviously he used to. He used
to go on PlayStation and sit down there and you know,
also use PlayStation as as one of his hobbies. He
made a lot of a lot of a lot of
friends on that. But but but he was an excellent
cricket player. He used to love swimming, all these sorts
of social and social activities. I used to I used
to take him out. I was I was very well

(49:41):
involved into the into the whole thing. I mean I
I was one hundred percent involved into my into my
kids more than them.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yeah, on Jay, but I think that's kind of the thing,
isn't it right if you're if you're zoned in, But
some people maybe don't have the time with the incarnation
in the end, if you've got a bad parent, right,
then you know that's not really your fault as a child.
And so the argument for the government coming in and
stopping kids being on social media is that not every
parents has the time inclination to make sure that they're

(50:14):
getting the best out of you know, their social media
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, but that's why I like the idea that was
suggested by Any O'Brien and David Simol for that matter,
is you've got to go after the hardware, because is
it that radical with a lot of people say, nanny state,
you're trying to ban cell phones now? But if we
all agree, and there is disagreement, but if we agree
that social media is problematic for under sixteen year olds,
is it really that different to a vape? Is it
that different to alcohol? Is it that different to not

(50:40):
letting them get their driver's license until their sixteen?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Yeah, And everyone goes, oh, well, people will get round it,
because people get round alcohol and they get round vaping.
But there's no doubt that there's less drinking in under
sixteen or well under eighteen, because because of you know
that how hard it is to get right. Exactly, any solution,

(51:04):
and I'm not saying that there needs to be a
solution necessarily, but any solution doesn't have to be a
hundred percent because nothing's hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, spot off. Yeah, what do you say? Nine two
nine two is a text number?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Murder is illegal? Yes, but finally, but it's not one
hundred percent that Laura is and one hundred percent followed
a few murders to time, but we still think murder
should be illegal.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, exactly nine nine two is that TIXS number? Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty What is your view
on this? It is twenty two past two.

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Ed B twenty four pass three plenty of tixs coming
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Speaker 3 (51:53):
Under sixteen social media ban. It's no brainer. Yes, it's
not perfectly u foresaw, but it's about setting the tone
that kids shouldn't have social media. I mean, that's that's
kind of my point before it's I'm not I'm not
for it really because I think that it's hard for
the government to save kids. I mean, but you know,

(52:13):
they do do things, and we don't want kids having
access to everything. No, but it does set the tone
across a society that social media is not good for
under sixteen year olds. That's the statement, right, Yeah, even
if it doesn't work, Yeah, it just changes the way
we look at the world that under sixteen social media.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Is not good for them, right, becomes a social norm.
I mean, similar maybe not so similar bit to the
drink driving campaign over the last fifty years. Now, we
all know that drink driving is one of the worst
things you can possibly do, but back fifty years ago
it was quite a common occurrence.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Right, and then Kurtie Allen dronk drive and then everyone's
decided that they walk back that it was so bad.
Some people interesting, that, isn't it? The listeners seem to
this problem is very easily solved. Children need phones so
they can contact at all times in this busy world,
but make them burner phones. Fanah, that's what the suggestion
here from any over is that the band should be

(53:10):
on the devices, not on the connection to the accounts. Victoria,
welcome the show.

Speaker 8 (53:16):
I I agree with everything you guys are saying in
your little preamble there. I'm a very conservative, paranoid parent.
No phones, and I'll tell you our story. No phones,
tell you're fourteen. No computers in your bedroom until you're
sixteen and you need it for your year twelve homework.
Passwords in the house always kept in a password book.

(53:37):
We check the history of what the kids are doing.
You can only use a computer in the living room.
No roadblocks. The screen in the living room is facing
the parents about three meters away from Yeah, like other
parents have phoned in. You know, we do family things together.
You're only allowed to play with the friends, people that
you know. And then my son turned thirteen. He's a

(54:02):
big Minecraft player, he was playing it for six years
at that point, and he wanted this card. Very reluctant parents.
Your brother never had discord till he was fourteen. But
as rig brother said, all his five friends from intermediate
were all going to five different high schools, and the

(54:22):
only way to keep in touch with the friends was
some kind of social media, which in this case was Discord,
because that's the one that you chat with with your
Minecraft friends. So on the thirteenth birthday, Supervised wrote the
password in the password book set up Discord. What I
did not know was that he had been chatting with

(54:44):
some people on Minecraft. Apparently you can chat with people
on Minecraft from all over the world in your server.
And that same day, his birthday birthday, they had him
set up a Gmail account and you just put that
you're born in two thousand and one instead of twenty eleven,

(55:05):
set up a different Discord, which was kind of hidden
behind the Discord that I knew he had set up,
And over the next three months he had thousands and
thousands and thousands of messages to and fro right in
front of my face with what I can only call

(55:25):
a grooming pedophile group from Utah, America in America WHOA
the only way I knew about it. Occasionally he would say, Oh,
can I just use my just going to use my chromebilk,
I've got some homework in the TV room, have the
TV on. He was doing some chatting. I thought he
was doing his homework. And you know, when your kid

(55:48):
is thirteen and your older one is four years older.
You think, great, we can get our life back. I
went back to full time work, you know, husband and
a goat for dinner, go for a walk in the evening.
Just you know, finally you're getting your life back after
you know, many years. And so for twelve weeks there
was conversations with this group of people. And the only

(56:12):
reason I found out about was the school chromebook broke
and I was trying to fix it, and I clicked
on something and this whole discord horrific conversations got going.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Wow, what kind of stuff was on it? You know, Victoria?
That made you realize it was you know.

Speaker 8 (56:35):
What I thought it was a group of teenage girls
he was talking to. It took me several days of
reading to work out that these were actually males. Conversations
morphed into discussions about sexuality, gender fluidity, all kinds of
sexuality that could be possible, all sorts of amory things

(56:56):
that I had never even heard of. Wow, pan sexual
switching between genders and this kid is just turned thirteen.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (57:06):
Aback hundreds and hundreds of pages. There were online relationships
with various people in this particular group, who all seem
to know each other, descriptions of how they wanted to
hug and kiss and snuggle him in bed. He was
asking questions, you know, how can I be more? What
do I need to do? Then various ones of them

(57:32):
had were cutting themselves. They were getting him to cut
himself and send photos, photos of hands, feet, And this
is remember what I said at the start, completely paranoid parents,
You good Christian family. You know we do all the
wholesome movies together. You know we do all the you know,

(57:54):
everything you meant to do. Oh one of them had
a foot fetish. Please send photos of your feet. One
of her had hand fetish. Finally you send a photo
of the face. And it just went on and on
and on. Various ones were committing suicide. Someone had cancer.
He was counseling them, and I quit work to do

(58:22):
five hours a day for ends that computer stuff. Contact
the police, contact the nets. Safe can't do anything because
outside New Zealand, and also the messages just just stop
short of actual sexual descriptions.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
And so when you close, when you bought it up
with you know, how did that conversation go and how
did you and how did you You didn't go well?

Speaker 15 (58:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Right.

Speaker 8 (58:50):
I basically had the net safe description of grooming and
I left it on. I have a phone that he's
allowed to use with he checks with man old phone,
and I left it on the screen and I let
him have a day off school one day, and I
planned it all out, left the phone lying around and

(59:12):
he picked I saw him pick it up, so I
went and sat nearby and he read it and his
face just went white. And I said, we need to
talk about this. And I said, I'm aware that there's
a second discord account, and I reeled off the names
of the people on it and very very angry. But
he went and delete on the account, which meant that

(59:34):
I couldn't actually, but luckily I had a bunch of
screenshots from it. I mean basically it was all lovely,
flowery where your friend stuff, but interspersed with this weird
o stuff.

Speaker 14 (59:48):
Yeah, and how.

Speaker 8 (59:51):
Having conversations?

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yeah, absolutely, so going forwards? How is this resolved? How
long ago is this and how is it? How is it?
Have you moved forward with it?

Speaker 8 (01:00:03):
And a half years ago and we are still dealing
with fallout?

Speaker 14 (01:00:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
The police are involved, Yeah, but they.

Speaker 8 (01:00:09):
Can't do anything overseas. And I also didn't want to
shut down the accounts because every three or four months,
people of the same online names would pop up on
a Minecraft server. They would pop up in YouTube comments.
There was I'm like, you know, you're certain you don't

(01:00:32):
need to you don't need to be a YouTuber. Oh yeah,
but I just like do videos of you know, everyone
does videos of themselves. Main game.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Hey, Victoria, we've just got to go to the news.
Could we get you to hold on so we can
get the rest of the story, because yeah, for sure,
I've got lots of questions. Absolutely sorry about that, but
we've got to go to the news.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Thanks for holding on, Victoria, right, headlines coming up and
then we'll go back to our discussion with Victoria. It's
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Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Thank you very much. Now before the headlines, we're having
a discussion with Victoria. She's a mother and Victoria just
sort of row us back to the start here. So
you're you found your son thirteen on discord. He had
been there for some time and then through a series
of incidents he.

Speaker 8 (01:02:26):
Was allowed a Discord account when he turned thirteen because
of his all his friends from intermediate going to different schools.
He had been contacted by people through Minecraft, because apparently
you can do messaging through Minecraft, and they encouraged him
to set up a separate Gmail, YouTube and Discord account.
And I found three months sort of conversations on Discord

(01:02:50):
and was very concerning.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
And there were requests to send images. Is that correct, Victoria?

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
Yep. We'd only got when it was just when I
discovered it and confronted him. We had only got as
far as hands, feet and face photos. But there was
a lot of sex or references and even things that
I don't think a thirteen year old would even understand,
like oh, are you a baker? Because I'll fill your
buttons with cream? Right, Like, you know, I don't think

(01:03:22):
a thirteen year old is going to know what that's
referring to. I think they had also lured him in
by they were sad, lonely, depressed head cancer people.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
I mean, they can say anything. I mean, that's the
whole thing, right, there's just you can just make up
any story. You've got no idea who this person is.
You don't know what age they are, where they are,
what they are, and you're just you know, if you're
if you're that young, then you're just going to believe
what people do.

Speaker 8 (01:03:50):
Could say, you know, we were you know it was
online online relationships, if that's an even possibility.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
I mean, I meanwhile, parents are difficult to deal with
because they're making you do stuff and life's kind of hard,
but you're only hearing the good stuff online. And so
then you confront him once that popped up on the
chrome book when the chromebook was broken, and you confronted him,
and I think that's I think that's where we sort
of left it. So it was about a year and
a half ago. Did you say that this happened.

Speaker 8 (01:04:20):
It all happened two and a half years ago, So
this has been going along for twelve weeks. Yeah, he
was shocked, he was angry. He didn't speak to me
for five days and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Be embarrassed as well. You know, there would have broken
in shame and stuff because he would have known that
it wasn't what was supposed to be going on right,
not in our house.

Speaker 8 (01:04:41):
No, he had told the online people he wanted a therapist.
So I did find a counselor, but our child didn't
didn't vibe with the counselor, and then found another counselor,
and then he started just refusing to get out of
the car. So I had some by myself, and then
we had a bunch of joint sessions about conflict management.

(01:05:03):
We never really got to the issue. Things come down
for a while, but every three or four months, people
with the same online names would pop up, like on
a Minecraft server that's sending him a message in YouTube comments.
They would make a YouTube video and have a conversation
with him inside it and this, and I've had to quit,

(01:05:25):
like I say, quit work. And I have spent for
the best part of eighteen months, four or five hours
a day being an online forensic person being what the
history was, which I had always done anyway, but we
had multiple different accounts now to check the history do everything.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
He's running the secret server. And that's the thing you've got.
You've got these people that are coming in and you
know what they're doing and really coaching him on how
to get hide what's going on from parents.

Speaker 8 (01:05:57):
So let you how to hide your cuts when you're
cutting yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
And I mean most parents wouldn't even know what discord
was or how it works. I mean, it's quite hard
to describe how discord works.

Speaker 18 (01:06:07):
I mean, it's really hard to work it out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yeah, I mean it's a bunch of communities, but they
can set up side communities and it's it's quite it's
quite hard to get your head around what it is.
So it's basically just so people that are listening. It's
a free communication app that lets people talk through text,
his voice calls, the videos calls, and screen sharing. It's

(01:06:30):
sort of associated with video games, but then it's moved
off that and and you know, kids socialize through it.
But then if they can have public service where other
people come in and and and you know, it can
get massively out of hand. So how have you dealt
with that going forward? And do you think it's possible
because you know, you didn't know about this, you thought

(01:06:51):
that everything was okay. Do you think it's possible for
a parent to know what's going on or do you
think it's always the case that kids will be able to,
you know, hide certain stuff if they've got access to
the Internet.

Speaker 8 (01:07:04):
I think kids are going to hide it. And I
mean he could use apparently you could use a VPN
at school. And I'm very concerned that this current bill
does not include Discord because that was the gateway here.
I think it's great the restricting Snapchat for you know,
who cares about Facebook. That's for old people like us.

(01:07:26):
The young ones have gotten.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
They have no interest in Facebook or x not at all.
And that's an interesting point, Victoria, because Discord can't isn't
on there because they say it's that they're putting it
in the same box as WhatsApp or.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
You know, it's a direct messaging apps, so it's not
it's not social media under their legislation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
So if they successfully ban people from you know, TikTok
and strangely youtubes included and Instagram or whatever, isn't they
just going to force more kids onto Discord, which is
kind of the more wild it's the most wild West
of all of them in a way.

Speaker 8 (01:08:03):
Exactly exactly. And I think the concerning thing is like,
you know, when it turn thirteen, the entire world can
come right into your living room. And I think if
it was that they were sixteen, when the entire world
can come into your living room, there's a massive difference
between thirteen year olds and sixteen year olds.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
So do you think, Victoria, if your kid can get
round whatever restrictions you're running with in a household as
an attentive parent, then whatever the government sets up, they're
going to be able to get round as well. Because
that's the argument that kids will just just get round it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:38):
I think in my kind of restrictive household, it would
have prevented it. I mean, if you're a more open house,
you know, will you go with the flow kind of thing,
going to trust my kid?

Speaker 7 (01:08:53):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:08:53):
Absolutely, there is definitely a role for parental oversight. I'm
definitely very much a fan of that. But it's kind
of like as a parent, your kid turns thirteen and
you you kind of don't realize how vulnerable they are,
and there's so much going.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
On and they're still your little kid, so you're worried
about different things. But I mean that's of course, that's
the age where they are going through totally different things.
But as a parent, it takes a while for you
to catch up that they're not just that little kid
that's involved in little kid stuff. That it's hard to
it's hard to make that transition as a parent to
suddenly this is and because you don't really want to

(01:09:36):
because you'll say, I want to think of them entering
this kind of terrifying world. You still you like the
idea of them being little kids. And so how is
your son going now, Victoria, if you don't mind asking, well, I.

Speaker 8 (01:09:47):
Still check everything. I'm very triggered by absolutely anything. Yeah,
it was the end of last year, there was they
were still trying to contact him and that was close
on two years. M.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
It's terrifying, and you know, it's so glad that you
caught it when you did, Victoria. Just the last question
question and you mentioned, you know, very difficult for the
police to do anything. But did they say anything about
you know, they do have international deals with worth jurisdictions overseas,
was there anything of that sort?

Speaker 8 (01:10:20):
They said, I could report all of the names, you know,
the online screen names of the people, and they would
put it in the database to see if it was
linked with anyone else.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
But I volume would be hard to get someone. And
what did you say, Utah involved in Zealand? Problem?

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Not to do that.

Speaker 8 (01:10:38):
Because I figured I want to still be able to
track them if they pop up. I don't want to
just change their name and I won't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Yeah, well, Victoria, thank you very much for giving us
a call and a lot of supportive texts coming through
on nine two ninety two, including from a police detective.
We'll get to that soon, but thank you very much
for your call. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number? It is a quarter to three.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Be it is twelve to three. A lot of text
coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
There seems to be a moral panic. Every generation says
as text the TV is addictive high sugar, salt foods
or addictive. Social media is a feeling new phenomenon. Well,
it is addictive and composed dangers to young people this
sort of thing, isn't you. Moderation and boundaries around usage
the key rather than complete deprivation that may lead to
over consumption once children are older and on their own.

(01:11:34):
It does there are moral panics every generation member metal. Yes, yeah,
Dungeons and dragons. You can go and look at the
moral panic around Dungeons dragons. People thought it was demonic.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I mean TV itself. I think the thing that makes
social media.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
A bit different is that you've just got these huge
tech companies that now have the ability to zero in
on you like individuals, because you know they have the
bandwidth to do that. So you are fighting against the
full force of these huge companies in their algorithms yep, individually, right,
And we all know as adults how addictive it is

(01:12:10):
because we're all struggling with this ourselves, with the doom
scrolling right. Yeah, So I think it's a it's a
little bit different. But also over time, we have had
restrictions on things that we think are dangerous for kids. Yeah,
cigarettes for example, that's right, yep, anty drinks drinks actually
drink lenes a bit crazy, Yeah, it might be a

(01:12:31):
bit over the top, but vaping even Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
But that's where I agree because I think most people
have been looking at this through that lens. I hope
that when something like this comes along, should we ban
social media? And originally they said no, don't be stupid,
don't ban social media. It's just a platform. No one's
putting a gun to your head to do that. But
hopefully enough people will look through that lens. Is this
a moral panic? And I think the evidence is starting
to stack up pretty well now that it is incredibly addictive,

(01:12:55):
that it is damaging to a certain extent of developing
minds and to developed minds arguably, But does that change
it because I always think about that when this pops up.
Is this a big moral panic or is the evidence
strong enough to say this is akin to smoking, drinking,
jumping in a car when you're too young.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Yeah, And it's hard to get your head around that,
isn't it? It is because it does does seem to
be a different thing than those kind of physical things.
But the other argument for that is that this is
just the terrain we're all in now, and this is
just the environment. This is the waters we're swimming in.
So if you don't work out how to deal with
it at some age, and you know, bringing up kids

(01:13:37):
is that's your job is to make them competent to
go out into the real world.

Speaker 7 (01:13:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
So your job is not to protect them. Your job
is to make it so they can handle everything that
they will face out in the world. This is the world, right.
So the other argument is it's stuff they have to
battle through. And I think everyone would would have kept
a lot of secrets from their kids. I mean my
parents knew what I was up to. Yeah, I mean
I remember once I was sitting down at a dinner

(01:14:03):
table and my mum said to my sisters, why can't
you be more like your brother? He doesn't drink, doesn't smoke,
he's why can't you be more like him? And they
were like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
If only you knew what Matt was getting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
He's been sneaking out every night since he was like
thirteen years old. You were lucky, man, But you know,
there was lots of there was. There's always lots of
things to worry about with your kids, isn't you. I
don't know. It's it's it's tough sometimes restrictions and bands
have you know, unforeseen results as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Exactly right. It is nine minutes, two three back with
more of your call shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
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Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
It is six to three, Lachlann, your thoughts, Hey, how's
the going? Guy good?

Speaker 19 (01:14:54):
I'm just touching on that bit at the end about
it where or not that's a moral panic or not?
I think this is quite different with social media in
the sect that it's been proven at the moment that
it's predatory and nature as well. I think even Zuckerberg
right now is in court in the States with a
suit against them where they've been there was a whistle
blower and it shows that it was security concerns raised

(01:15:15):
about how the technology and the algorithms were targeting FILD,
and those are put to the side. And I think
it differs from other more panics than that you can
use it and you can become addicted to it, but
it then becomes hyper personalized to your addiction. And there's
there's people out there that's doing demonstrations such as you
can open you can download the app fresh, creating new account,

(01:15:37):
and if you put in it that you say you're
a thirteen year old girl, you can be using it
and you can only engage in positive content like say
it's cat videos or videos about whatever else, and within
a few scrolls and within a few hours of using
it, it will start feeding you content on you know, body dysmorphia,
on anorexia, on self harming. And so I think the
problem with it right now is that we're in almost

(01:15:59):
a wild West that's welcoming in the digital era and
we had I don't think our approach to it now
legislation has caught up with actually how the technology is behave,
so you know a.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Bit about the stuff. Lachland, Do you think that a
ban would work? Do you think it's possible for a
government ban to help get people off?

Speaker 19 (01:16:18):
You know, I think that the ban does relate to
a lot of other issues. That there's digital idea surveillance
there selling on of data, but I think or how
intensified the issuers and how dangerous it there is, and
how these large technology companies are basically acting without any
sort of you know, curtailing or obligations. Is that it's

(01:16:39):
also need to be a massive politic, top down approach
from parents' schools, leaders in the community that need to
educate their children probably and have consistent, regular talks about
the usage, but also just maybe pushing kids away into
other activities, other interests and starting that conversation quite young,
because I think I'm twenty nine, but I think the

(01:17:02):
generation below me anyone that's about probably fourteen to maybe
twenty one right now. I basically endured this experience without
you know, without any when I was having good of education.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for your call, Lachlan.
We've got to go. I mean it does have the
vibe of the new smoking, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
It does. Yeah, it certainly does.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
A lot of damage for a lot of profit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Yeah, interesting conversation. But coming up next, what is the
perfect breakfast?

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News
Talk said the we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Get a to you welcome back into the show.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
What a great conversation that was. Was on the social
media band fro under sixteen year olds. So many calls
and texts. But I'll tell you what, there's been a
whole whole other line of feedback this is coming through
and that's from my discussion earlier today about how it
solved the rubbish crisis at my house. Right, the never

(01:18:04):
ending amount of boxes and cardboard and you know within
the myfe food bags that arrive, there's so much cardboard
coming through all the stuff that my fiance Tracy orders
so much cardboard. Yes, the recycling bin can't keep up
with it, and so I just had the brilliant, you know,
flash of was so obvious, but a brazier.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Yeah, genius idea.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Burn it just burning the rabbit all the time. It's
so obvious.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
And boy did the ticks come through on that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Yeah, people have been everyone's doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
You just need to be slow to the party. You
just need to get yourself a brazier and you call
it Graham, the Graham brazier, and you set it up
in your backyard and you just you just burn all
the cardboard that's coming through.

Speaker 15 (01:18:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
You get a few seats around there, maybe a couple
of bricks to make it look pretty. And if the
council we ever puts its big nose in there, yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Burning rubbish here. No, we're sitting around outside enjoying a fire.
Well within our risk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
This is our rights entertainment area. Yeah, and if you want,
you could say I cook pizzas on that brazier.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
So much support for it, Yeah, bringing for the brazier.
I'm going to get a brazier. I'm so excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
How far are you going to go with the burning?
You're just going to stick to cardboard, maybe a little
bit of excess wood, Yeah, go with the plastic, some tires.
I mean, what do you do soft plastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
most of us.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
But I'm going to start off with the cardboard and
the paper rubbish and the chip packets, and then I'm
going to slowly start seeing what I can put through
the system. Yeah good, yeah, I think anything can be burnt.
Before long, it'll be couches, carpet.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Takes your beat to the deed and days everything well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
With the restrictions on the in organics these days, my goodness,
I can't even put the enorganics out on the burn
in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
There's going to be some mattresses going up anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
I'm excited about getting a brazier so I can burn
on my rubbish and then it just disappears up into
the atmosphere and then it just floats off and the
world is right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
It the circle of life, as they say. Yeah, genius idea.
So brazy at nine two nine too, if you're on
this bend wagen as well. Seems very popular. But for now,
let's have a chat about what is the perfect breakfast.
So Granola may have one of the most convincing virtuous
reputations when it comes to breakfast options. So oats, nuts,
seeds and fruit. We all know are very good for us,

(01:20:20):
so you think combining them in a rustic looking packet
and breakfast appears virtually beyond reproach. But not so. The
crunchy clusters that distinguished granola from plain musically do not
happen by accident. Dietitian Lily Henderson says granola can be
part of a healthy diet, but the catch is that
many varieties are baked with oils and loaded with the

(01:20:41):
likes of brown sugar, honey, maple syrup, golden syrup to
produce that toasted flavor and crunch.

Speaker 14 (01:20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
So there's been a bit of a a subsiffuse gone
on a track, isn't it. It is, Yeah, because cereal
companies have got away with it. Granola's got away with
it for longest time, basically selling desserts as healthy breakfasts.
So when you're having granola, it's basically an apple crumble

(01:21:09):
and going that's healthy. Yep. And we've all fallen for
it for the longest time, haven't we. How did they
do it? I mean it was clever marketing, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
I mean again, if you say that we're loading it
up with oats, nuts, seeds, and fruits, then that sounds
like a good idea, and it's that rustage, rustic rather
kind of cottage core vibe that it's got going on,
very popular with athletes and climbers and trampers and hikers.
I mean, this was just genius marketing to trick us
all that. As you say, we're pretty much eating apple crumble.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Well yeah, and so we want to talk about one
hundred and eight ten eighty. What is the healthiest breakfast?
What is the best way to start the day. I've
got some ideas on this. But the history of how
cereal became thought of as a healthy breakfast, you should
read the history of the Calogg brothers. So one of
them started up sanatorium's, sanatoriums, sanitariums where they were health

(01:21:59):
they were health retreats, right, one of the Callog's brothers,
And so he haired the wheat flakes and it was
supposed to be the most bland food possible to try
and sort of calm some passions.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
It was around the area of how people were getting
enjoyment by themselves and trying to dampen that down. Talking
about people were sent to these sanitariums and they were
health retreats. And there was the bland is food possible?
And that was one of the Callogg brothers now working together.

(01:22:32):
And then the other Calog brothers said, what if we
sugar these up? And so the vibe was that was
healthy because what the brother was doing. And then the
other brother put sugar with it and went off and
made these Calogs treats that had the vibe of being
the healthy but were actually delicious to eat, right, Yes,

(01:22:54):
And then that's how it happened. That's how the big
shimmy in our mind came that the cereals we were
eating were healthy for us.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
We went, that's clever from the brother. Yeah, and I'm
sure he did very well. Why they're one who kept
it all bland.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
They didn't talk till the death. They were so angry
at each other, you know, the one with the boring
stopping people from for want a bitter word or what ever?
Say what he was trying to do, Yes, dampened passions.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Damping things sell solow passions. Yeah. He was so furious
that the other calored brother, for you know, adding sugar
to the mix, adding sugar to the medicine. I've got
some reading to do tonight on the Kellog's brothers. And
so the older Kellog's brother got you know, the one
that put the sugar got so rich. Yeah, and the
other one died of pauper does No one wanted to
have as boring snacks? But yeah, and that's gone on,

(01:23:42):
isn't it. It has so breakfasts and granola is just
another one of those things. It feels like it's healthy
for you, but it's basically it is it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yeah, So what do you say, oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty, what do you think is actually the perfect,
perfect breakfast when you consider all the options that are
on the table at the at the moment, what works
best for you? What is your go to tell us
about it? Nine two ninety two is the text number
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
This Texas says cup of coffee and a dart as
that the hell fiest breakfasts. You know, it's right and
true for trades. One hundred and eighteen eighty. If you've
got a healthier breakfast than a cup of coffee in
a dark.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Any past three news talk sa'd be sixteen past three?
So what is the purfast perfect breakfast? I should say?
What is your go to I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty nine two nine too is the text numbers?

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Sorry, best breakfast, says the Texter, is my bathist breakfast. Bacon, eggs, sausages, hash,
brown fish, fingers, chips, and cheesy spaghetti on toast. Greg,
that's pretty good. That stood up there with the greasy spoon,
full English breakfast, A couple of sausages, eggs, bacon. The
best thing about a greasy spoon, you know, when I

(01:24:48):
was living in London for a while, was you also
got four bits of bread, two of them deep fried,
deep fried bread. Yeah, two bits of deep fried bread. Beans.
I was never a black pudding guy, but yeah, beans,
two sausages, bacon, eggs, beans, shit and for bread.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Good after a big night. So not a black pudding man.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
Not a black pudding man guy. How are you are there?

Speaker 11 (01:25:18):
Yeah, we're just bringing about the story there with the
Kellogg brothers. There was there was Keith Kellog yep and
he he Back in the day people used to go
to a sanitarium when they were worn down and then
we had to recharge themselves. Now Keith Kellogg had the
sanitarium and and that's what it was called. Will worked

(01:25:42):
for him and they started up the Sanitarium breakfast company.
More than the point Keith did, and Will had a mistake.
He left some corn in a petri dish and he
came back. Long story, Sure, that's how corn flakes came about.
But they had a fall out about the sugar, all right,

(01:26:04):
And what was happening is the market was screaming out
for sugar in the in the products, and Keith Kellog
didn't want to put it in and Will said, we've
got to go with the market. And to this day,
so basically they split up and they well, Kelog started
up the Kelog's Company and Keith kept Sanitarium, and to

(01:26:26):
be quite honest that they're both still running at the Chien.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Right, So does Sanitarium go back to one of the
Kellogg brothers.

Speaker 11 (01:26:32):
Yes, they're both the same, Yeah, Michigan. And they're probably
more more wealth than any people of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Yeah. And and the so one of them was obsessed
with sexual abstinence, wasn't he, And that was the one
that wanted to keep the Bland diets to help suppress
those kind of urgeres am I right there.

Speaker 11 (01:26:52):
Yeah, Well he reckoned sugar was the root of all evil.
Rights Sanitarium products do not have sugar in their products.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Right, That's really really interesting, but you can imagine it.
So one of them has comes up with the idea
and that as sugar is the root of evil, So
let's make this breakfast you know, flake cereal without sugar,
and the other guy adds sugar to it. So he
takes his invention and does exactly the opposite of what
one of the brothers wanted to happen. So you can

(01:27:20):
see why they never talked again, that's for sure. Yeah,
you too, mate, Thanks for that guy. That's a really
interesting story. I went to Stuff you Should Know Live
that podcast. It was right out at the Bruce Mason
Center and they did that story out there. But yeah,
that was about the eighteen nineties, eighteen ninety you know,

(01:27:41):
I think the Cologgs Company was formed in nineteen five
or something like that. But that answers your question, Tyler,
when did breakfasts become in Western society? Basically treats.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. What is your go to when it comes
to breakfast? So much information and misinformation out there so
what is it for you? Nine two ninety two is
the text number as well. Plenty of texts coming through
homemade granola.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Stop slagging off the granola guys. Organic oats, sunflower seeds,
pumpkin seeds, shaved almonds, natural honey, hand hand mix, says
the text to twenty two minutes in the oven. Let
it call add dried blueberries, dried cranberries, seedless raisins, four
to six spoons, peaches, some kind of goppola yogurt.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Never heard of that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
The graal mix costs about one hundred dollars from bin
and makes eight weeks of breakfast for my two boys
and I mark cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
That's some effort. That's a lot of admin.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
I mean, that can't be unhealthy. Organics, oats, sunflower seeds,
pumpkin seeds, shaved almonds, natural honey, hand mix, that blueberries, cranberries,
I mean, maybe there's quite a few calories going through
that system. Better. That's that's got to be good for you.
Keep your regular anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Yeah, home mage granola. If you're into the homemade granola,
love to hear from you. And nine to ninety two
is the text number as well. Keep them coming through
it is twenty one pass three back very.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Shortly Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on used talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Twenty three past three. So a lot has been made
of store bork granola in recent years. It's the ultimate
marketing employe to say that is that is the ultimate breakfast,
healthy breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
But as most of us now know, it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Is loaded up with sugar and oil and all sorts
of other stuff, which basically means it's effectively a dessert.
So what is the go to breakfast healthy breakfast for you?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nineteen nine two is
a text.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
This Texas says this is their breakfast they had this morning, okay,
all right? Three friedy eggs, okay, four rashes of bacon,
two pork sausages, baked beans, grilled tomatoes, fried mushrooms, black pudding,
fried potatoes, fried bread, buttered toast, and a mug of tea.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
That is a huge breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Who's got time to put together that kind of breakfast?
I mean, if you're if you're living in the UK,
you've got those greasy spoon restaurants, well they'll throw one
of those together for you pretty cheaply, right, yes, yeah,
but who's got time to make that? That's you wouldn't
leave the house till mid day if you're putting together
that much food.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
How many types of bread do they have in there?

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Well, hanging mate, So they had fried potatoes, Yeah, fried bread,
buttered toast.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
So, fried bread and buttered toast.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
How fat do you get if you're having three fried eggs?
You got three rashes of bacon, pork sausages, baked beans,
grilled tomatoes, fried mushrooms, black pudding. This can't be rare?

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
No, that sounds pretty good, but I don't know if
that meets the healthy standard. That's a hell of a breadfast.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
What depends when you get up to for the day, Right,
someone's just texting you need to add chips to that. Yeah, yeah,
it's very good. But you know, if you're going to
go out landscaping after that, then that's probably probably needed
in the system. Right, But if you're going to go
and sit in an office.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
You might be dropping off by about midday. One hundred
and eighty ten eighty set number of call, get a Marion, Well, Hi, Hi, Hi,
So what you go to when it comes to bricky, well.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
I make my own. I use whole grain oats and
I don't toast them because when you buy them, they're
actually already steamed, so they coops. You don't need to
and I prefer them like that. Then I add brazil
nuts for selenium. I add other nuts, hazel nuts and almonds,

(01:31:49):
and ground limb seed, sunflower seeds and sesame seeds, and
then plenty of trim milk and unsweetened plain yogurt and
cut up fresh fruits, usually an orange or a pear
or something like that. And then I have a of
whole grained hoast boguls sprouted seed whole grained hoast which

(01:32:14):
is really grainy, and I have whole boison berries on it.
I bought buy frozen boisonberries, so they're unsweetened. I put
there's no spread, and I just squashed the bois and
berries on because I got so sick of buying jam
that was so sweet and I just wanted the fruit flavor.
And it's actually gorgeous. And that's no breakfast, and I

(01:32:35):
have it every morning and I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Wow, And so that is complicated breakfast. How did you
come to that? How did it evolve over time. Did
you sit down one day and go that I'm going
to plan the ultimate breakfast or did just just grow
in the grove?

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
Grew I didn't want to have so there's no added sugar,
sugar or no added fat, and that's what I didn't
want it. So that's what I wanted, no added sugar,
no added fat. And I wanted nuts because they're really
good for your heart health. And the oats are really
good because I have got better gluten in them, which
is also really good for your heart.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Now you've done some research, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
Yeah, I'm a real foody nerd in terms of the
bio chemistry of food and healthy food.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
And do you notice did you notice when you started
having this breakfast improvements in your house? I mean it's
hard to notice those kinds of things. But does that
does that breakfast quantifiably make your life better?

Speaker 15 (01:33:32):
Marian?

Speaker 7 (01:33:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
I think so. Yeah. Yeah, I've got you know, energy,
I'm very lean, slim, and I don't have yeah regular yep, yep,
definitely yep, yeah yep.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
So is that something you do every day?

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Maryan? Or you make bulk? Can you just you do
it for the week.

Speaker 18 (01:33:54):
Every day?

Speaker 14 (01:33:54):
Every day?

Speaker 5 (01:33:56):
If you do bulk, then some stick mixed up and
somethings think to the bottom, and you never know if
you've got the right amount. And so I do it
every day, and I actually enjoyed chopping up the nuts
and things. I find it quite a good mindful exercise,
you know, just doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
What's the rationale the sesame seeds? I mean, I don't
know a lot about sesame seeds. I've seen them on bread,
I've seen them on bread, I've seen them on sesame
seed buns. But just sprinkling those on your breakfast sesame
seeds interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
Yeah, they're just good for you. All those speeds are
good for you in terms of the good fats, and
sesame seeds have got reason that of calcium as well.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Yes, And then do you let it go for the
rest of the day. Is it a cheeseburger and fries
for lunch and then a pizza for dinner or do
you keep up this kind of high level of nutrition
for the whole day.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Oh, I like to eat healthy for the whole day,
but I do have some treats. I always have, so
I have plenty of vegetables and whole grains. Vegetables good
good lean protein. But I do have a muffin for
morning tea, mind you, I cut it in half. I
have a fruit muffin every morning tea, and I cut
it in half and have half a morning tea and

(01:35:10):
half an afternoon tea. Wow, and coffee at morning tea.

Speaker 14 (01:35:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
And it's impressive stuff, Mary. Yeah. And you've made you've made.
I can. I can hear your passion for your breakfast.
You're not just throwing it down as as like some
fuel to get on with the day. You've You've thought
about it. You've turned your nutrition into somewhat of a hobby.
Would that be fair to.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
Say, well, it's my insurance, my life insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
That's a good way to look at it. Yeah, Mary,
thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Mince pie, sausage roll and a can of red Bull
for Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
You can only keep that up so long.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
I just got told off by here the deeper They Yellen,
Why because I was slamming a red Bull out there
by in the kitchen.

Speaker 11 (01:35:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
I saw there was some strong words being had.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
She said, Matt, you got to stop with that gap, right?

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Did you show the lunch though? I mean that gives
you license to smash a few reforms. You've got a
beautiful wee sellard there.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Vogals with real butter, peanut butter and tomato on top.
Don't mock it till you've tried it, wayn't it? Vogals
with peanut butter and tomato on top. Who I've only
recently found out that peanut butter isn't the healthiest thing
in the world. It's good, but it's calorific hecky heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Yeah, yeah, Hey, We've got the headlines coming up. But
after that, I'm just going to mention a bit of
a change in American style when it comes to breakfast.
I'll mention that next, but it will surprise you. I've
just found the story that popped up, so I'll get
to that next. But taking your calls of one hundred
and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Shots fired by JB, Guys, there are a lot of
birds listening to your show eating bird seed for breakfast.
Humans evolved on meat plus protein for breakfast. Is supposed
to trick your brain into a happy mood. All right,
what do you say to that? Shots fired?

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It is bang on up Pass three.

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Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about
the ultimate breakfast when it comes to healthiness. And there's
a few texts asking what you have met heth for
briefing Bricky, Wow, because you've changed a lot over the
last couple of months. I mean, can I mention this?
Are you still doing the old salmon?

Speaker 14 (01:38:32):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
No, I'm off that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
My lovely fiance Tracy bought me breakfast in bed this morning,
did she Yep, she brought me these protein loafs that
she bakes. She bakes them on a Sunday and she
bakes a bunch of protein loafs with some Greek yogurt
on it. I believe in some brown stuff that's quite tasty.
I'm not sure what that is, and a coffee it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
I mean, well, I need to know more about the
brown stuff. If it tastes pretty good, it's it's not
sugar based.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
I'll ask you what I'm not texture and ask you
what the brown stuff is. I like the brown stuff.
I say, I say more stuff, more brown stuff. Then
she goes, no, you only allowed that much brown stuff.
Only allow that. Okay, I'll find out. Hey this Texas says, yeah,
these protein loas are so good. I'm not sure with them.
But now she's a big gym goert. So she thinks

(01:39:21):
she needs to up up my protein to get the
guns up.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Did she make that healthy looking lunch as well?

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Oh yeah, so she made me this lunch here. It's
got like a protein pasta salad.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Jesus that I mean. So you've got a little bit
of orange in there. It looks like you've got the spinach.
You've got a bit of pasta. Obviously, what's the protein.
It's not the vegan to it? So again is it?

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
No, no sausage protein in there. That's good. That's pretty good.
And you know, I will totally eat that sell it.
If you're listening to Tracy, that salad will be eaten.
It's still a bit to go, Tracy. The Sextass breakfast
is all about getting things going, you know what I mean,
that's all. It's an exercise in unloading, not loading. That's
why it's a coffee. It's a vape. It's prunes. Clogging

(01:40:04):
the system with toaster or oats is an idiot's games?
Is this text? It's about opening the bombay doors? Is
that right? It's breakfast all about just getting things going?
I mean a coffee? Does that?

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
What did he call it again?

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Maybe we don't mention that again? That the Bombay doors?
What are the Bombay doors?

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
I don't know. I don't know, but there's some connotations
there at nine.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
If you know what the Bombay doors are, love to
hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Get a Jeff, very good mate, what do you go to? Uh, steak, eggs, bacon,
cowboy beans, few pickles and coffee, shot of jack, mate,
and then you're off and on.

Speaker 11 (01:40:45):
Well, my breakfence isn't police by a woman?

Speaker 15 (01:40:47):
Mate?

Speaker 7 (01:40:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Does open the bombay doors?

Speaker 15 (01:40:49):
It doesn't work, mate, It removes them.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
It does. What are cowboy beans as opposed to just
normal beans? Jeff?

Speaker 11 (01:40:57):
Oh, normal means are just your woddies full of sugar beans.

Speaker 15 (01:41:00):
Cowboy beans are when your mate beans, your chili's in it,
your onions, your garlic and a bit of rose. Mirrors
from Mexican oregano.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
Yeah, and it's the shot of jack and it's the
shot of Jack and the coffee, or you have the
coffee and then you slam the shot of Jack and
you're out the door.

Speaker 13 (01:41:15):
Put it, put it in a coffee, mate, that's sands
to get things going right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
Yeah, And how's your mood after a breakfast like that, Jeff?
Are you wearing to go? You're willing to like, you know,
kick down doors and make the carp a dm the
hell out of the day.

Speaker 13 (01:41:29):
Oh, I'm as happy as a pope and a ball
full of a boy's mate.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Right, okay, Jeff, Well, thank you for your insights. I
appreciate you call. It is a hell of a start
to today the day. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Steak, it's pretty heavy, pretty heavy. And then I mean,
can you be asked cooking up a steak in the
morning when you've got to rush out the door, because
I know, I hate to keep bringing up the salmon,
but we all know that started off as a good idea,
and then you quickly realize that that blasting that salmon
in the morning, and and you know all that smell
in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Was was too much.

Speaker 15 (01:41:59):
Emond.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Yeah, I'm a guys, guys, I love peanut butter and
tomatoes on toast. I thought it was. I was the
only one who liked this weird combo. It's just so yummy.
Also good on English cheese muffins. Yep, I'm bad, but
either heavy peanut butter. I found a product called Everything Butter.
It still has peanuts, but mixed with ground sunflower, sesame,

(01:42:21):
flaxy chai and more so, way more healthy. Oh my god,
it's yummy. I'm going to have some right now. That's
Meg from Maustterden Good Times.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
This one says, get guys, if you want to fat
in pigs, you feed them grain. Humans are no different.
We are made to eat meat.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
It's from Dave, just meat.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
He doesn't specify, but he's against the grains. He reckons
that fat.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
And though we are a lot of people that were
just doing that all carnival diet right and apparently lowered information.
But I think over time, I mean, this is my
understanding it, and someone can push back if I'm wrong here.
But protein is like the chassis of your car, and
carves are the fuel of your car. Right, so the

(01:43:03):
protein you need it to build your car. Say you're
a car, yes, yep, what kind of car would you be?

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Tyler Volkswagen Beetle.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
Yeah, I think you'd be more of a toe to equa.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
But anyway, Yeah, so the protein is building that ructure.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
If you only have the protein, then you've got no
you've got no you know, no fuel on the tanks.
You run out of energy, right, Yeah, And that's the
way I've always understood it, but I could be entirely wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
If you're a nutritionists love to hear from you, lee
he doing.

Speaker 11 (01:43:36):
Doing well.

Speaker 9 (01:43:38):
I'm definitely a continental breakfast lover. It's kept me fitting
well and I'm about to turn eighty seven. Sadly, I've
had to give up diving a few years ago. But
the one of the other things I came across is
this fanatical love that the British and Irish have for

(01:44:02):
their breakfasts. You know, they fried bacon, eggs, sausage, black
putting and so on. And my wife and I turned
up at one hostelry, We're staying at one hostelry in Ireland.
We were first to breakfast and the wakefast came out
reeled off what the breakfast available was, and we said, oh,

(01:44:24):
we'll have Continental, thanks, and her jaw dropped. She was
absolutely horrified.

Speaker 18 (01:44:32):
What no fries?

Speaker 11 (01:44:35):
And I said, no, thank you were Continental.

Speaker 9 (01:44:39):
She tovered off towards the quick kitchen through the back
wing doors, and I heard her say they don't want
any fries. And we could hear cries of dismay and
disbelief from the cock saying, what what no fries?

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
So with your Continental breakfast?

Speaker 15 (01:45:01):
Lee?

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
Are we going a croissant? Have we got a cost?

Speaker 9 (01:45:06):
We put was sure, James les croissant and coffee, fruit juice, crosshants.

Speaker 11 (01:45:16):
Or whole meal toast.

Speaker 9 (01:45:18):
And that's that's the breakfast that gets me going. Stood
me in good Stead while I was a commercial diver
on the Chathams and here I am fitting well, got
my driver's license. I'm actually in the middle of unloading
a ute load of firewood.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
See this is a great advertisement for the Continental Breakfast.
And so what are you all these people that are
that are saying that, you know, meat is the way
to go, and that that that that you need to
start the day with a big protein blast.

Speaker 9 (01:45:53):
Yeah, killing themselves with their teeth. And by the way,
advertisement is how the word is spelt. The pods call
it advertisement.

Speaker 11 (01:46:04):
But then again they're they're English.

Speaker 9 (01:46:06):
Is not that great? It is an advertisement?

Speaker 18 (01:46:10):
Right?

Speaker 11 (01:46:11):
Sorry? About that.

Speaker 9 (01:46:13):
I'm just a plain seman, but I was brought up
by a mother who was a stickler for correct English.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
Well, I appreciate that, and I'm always happy to talk
to a plain seman. Absolutely fantastic stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Plenty of teas comings from ninety two ninety two. This
one is on the meat train. Yes, just meat fellers.
You don't need carbohydrates at all. Get your energy from.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Fat, all right. Someone says here you're wrong about carbs.
Carbs go to storage, battery or fat, fat fuels the
brain katosis. Been on the Carnival diet for three years,
lost forty seven kges. It's from Nick cheap as Okay,
that's pretty impressive. Have you got energy though? Nick?

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Exactly oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call as well. What did you go to breakfast?
When it comes to the healthiest, tell us about it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Peets on a fried black pudding in a fried banana
every morning.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
It sounds very good, right, Keep those coming through On
nine nine two It is seventeen to.

Speaker 14 (01:47:06):
Four Taylor Adams taking your calls. On eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
They'd be thousands of techs coming through a nine to
nine to a lot of people on the Kido train.
This Texas is ka, guys. I've been eating kedo mainly
Carnival diet for over a year now. I am as
healthy as I've ever been and have so much energy.
Has been the best thing I've ever done. That's from Fay.
This one says the Russian bricky long black siggy and

(01:47:36):
a vodka shot.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
That's from Tim.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
This one says sixteen eight fasting is where it's at
no calories from eight pm through to twelve noon, black
coffee only for me from Damo. Push back on that
it was a trend for a long time that skipping
breakfast was the best thing you could ever do. You
know kind of this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
I was doing that for a while, yeah, the old fasting,
But then I just get so ravenous by lunchtime that
I just eat half the world between twelve thirty and one,
just tooking so many calories just to make up for it.
Craig says the healthiest breakfast is a dry rich and
a smoke, And is that true? I mean, have we've
got an nutritionists that can back that up. That are
dry wretch and a smoke. Is the healthiest breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
That's sit up for a good day, depends on the
night before, I uspose, is that the breakfast of champions? Yeah,
this one, guys. I throw some nuts, apple, and banana
into my thermo mix and it chops it up. Then
I add some steel cut oats and some trim milk vanilla,
and depending what I feel like, I might have some
pumpkin pie spices or coconut tumerican ginger. It makes up

(01:48:34):
enough porridge to last for three days. Occasionally I'll top
it up with some activated pumpkin in sesame seeds and
some sliced fruit.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Right, I throw some nuts that well, you just that
was the one I just read. That was when I
popped up this. There's so many coming through here. Only meat,
nothing but meat. There's no need for anything but meat.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Yeah, all right, keep those ticks coming through on.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
See, when I left home, I decided to go on
an all meat diet. All right, I've told you the
story you have, so I thought, well, I'm leaving home,
I don't have to eat any eat whatever I want,
and I really like meat, so I thought, I'm only
going to eat meat. This was back when I was
at UNI long time ago, yes, And so I did
that for ages. Then I started getting these terrible saws
in my mouth and I became really sick, and I

(01:49:20):
went to see the doctor, and the doctor said, if
I didn't know better, I would say that you've got scurvy.
So I managed, potentially managed to get myself scurvy just
by eating nothing but meat. So how come that happened
to me? And yet some people are in this carnival
diet and they don't end up getting because scurvy, right,

(01:49:40):
was because you weren't getting any vitamin C, that's right.
And that's why Captain Coki had had got a sailors
on the limes. That's where the saying lime he comes from.
So sucking on the limes got rid of the scurvy
situation because they were just at sea eating dry meat
for a long time. Right, Yeah, So why is it
there people in the carnival diet now and you got
people texting the ban on it for three years? How

(01:50:00):
come they're not getting scoovy?

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
It's a great question. Are you supplementing vitamin C? Or
how do you get away with it tell us nine
two nine two. This one says, get a guys, beer
Grills starts every day with a good steak and some eggs,
and he reckons he's the healthiest he's ever been.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Well, this person's saying beer Grules lives on steak and fruit. Okay,
so someone's saying steak and eggs. Someone's saying steak and fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
And this one says turmeric and a lime shot. That's
all I need for a good start to the day.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Well, this stick says, best breakfast is my birthday breakfast
pavlover prepared previous night already go from the fridge. It
was my fiance's birthday recently, and she got a lot
of different cakes. And so I kept on catching my
son having just cake for breakfast. And I was saying,
you can't have cake for breakfast and he says why. Yeah,

(01:50:49):
I couldn't come up for a good answer.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Well, he's young enough to get away with it, isn't he. Fae.
Now you're a good person to chat too. You've been
eating keto mainly?

Speaker 20 (01:50:58):
I do, Yeah, basically keto.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
That quite carnivors, right, And how have you avoided scurvy?

Speaker 20 (01:51:08):
Arry Ah okay, right, there are a huge source of
huge source of antioxidants and vinamon sea. So I have
mainly like red meats, lean red meats, chicken, broccoli, spinach, avocado, nuts,
greet yogurt, berries, right, that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
So the Carnival diet in your eyes, allows you to
have you know, other stuff that doesn't just meat.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
Really, I eat mainly key.

Speaker 20 (01:51:35):
It's keto, but it's like Carnival heavy. But I do
have berries and nuts and like I said, yogurt, avocados,
good fats. I've been on it for a year and
my blood test results for my or my enzymes or
my nutrients, my liver, everything has been better than it's
ever been before. And I've managed to lose weight keep

(01:51:57):
weight off, and I've got so much energy. I don't
eat any breakfast in the morning, I have a coffee
with cream in it, and I don't eat till about
twelve o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
Right, And how are you keep it?

Speaker 7 (01:52:09):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
Have you always been a disciplined person or is this
this new to you? Because I mean the thing about
being keito is you you have to stick to it
for it to work, right, So there's a lot of discipline.

Speaker 20 (01:52:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think. Have I ever been been disciplined?

Speaker 21 (01:52:22):
No, I'm not the most disciplined person. But when you
see something working and you're body responding really positively, you
would it wouldn't make sense to then do something that
would change that. I do every now and again have
the odd cheap thing, and then it takes me a
couple of days to get back into ketosis again, and
it's just not worth it.

Speaker 20 (01:52:41):
I look at the food and I say, it's not
worth the health benefits and you have to get back
into it again for over a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
So don't bother, right, And so what sort of meat
are you eating here? Is it mostly chicken or a
bit of steak?

Speaker 20 (01:52:54):
Anything? Chicken, venison, steak, ate, beef. I don't eat pork anyway,
late fish, salmon, whitefish, prawns, kidden startings, ate, a lot
of those really high sort of oil and high protein,
low fat, so lean meats and fishes.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
How's your breath, faye, brilliant? Brilliant? Okay, right, that's the
rumors that people are hear that because the rumors that
people are just like Ktosa gets thank you breath, that's
not happening.

Speaker 20 (01:53:26):
Well, according to my husband.

Speaker 19 (01:53:30):
It's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Why would you like, Yeah, he's a good man.

Speaker 20 (01:53:32):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I have to say, like I said,
I've I had quite high cholesterol which wasn't caused.

Speaker 7 (01:53:40):
By bad diet.

Speaker 8 (01:53:41):
It was caused by just.

Speaker 20 (01:53:42):
Hormones and genetics. And since going on the Keto, my
cholesterol levels have come down, even though I'm eating cream, fat,
all those kind of things. My cleasure levels have come down,
and I've actually been able to come off.

Speaker 15 (01:53:54):
Statins as well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
There you go, Faye, work to treat for Fay Keto
incountable diet for the win. All right, Oh undred eighty
is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
It is seven to four.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 14 (01:54:10):
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Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
News talks. There be. It is five to four.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Only meat diets do not give you scurvy. The thing
is you need non preserved meat in a variety of meats, muscles, organs,
and fats. Okay, there you go, so you don't have
to worry about Yeah, I don't have to worry about
getting sturvy. Scurvy, all right, what a great conversation that was.
That's the end of the show. Thank you so much
for listening, Thanks for all your calls and text. The
Great Powerful Heather topic Sealand is up next and after

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four pm, Heather talks to a personal trainer about the
increasing number of teenage boys shooting up peptides to make
themselves more muscular. Is this just a natural interest in
health or something more sinister? But right now, Tyler, my
good friend, why am I playing this nineteen seventy seven
song from Hallow Sailor with the greatest snares down in
the history of Rockney Seines.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Yea, bety, I know this one.

Speaker 19 (01:55:00):
I know this one.

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You're playing Guta Black, Hello Sailor, Graham Brazier. You've got
the brace here in your backyard and you're going on
the boon and the cardboard.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
Yes, I got one, that son of sink. Correct, I've
got a brazier and I'm calling it Graham.

Speaker 5 (01:55:15):
What a tune?

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Oh, I'm so heavy?

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
All right? You seen Busy said, We'll let you go.
I met Heath's Tyler Adams and moving back live on
your radio tomorrow afternoon. Until then, give him a taste
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