Full Show Podcast: 27 August 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday's show. And
thank you very much for giving us a listen. And
I hope, we hope you are having a fantastic day
so far. Matt Heath, hello.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Hello, Tyler Adams. Hello, everyone. Thank you for tuning in
on this. What day of the week is it? Is
it Thursday?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
It's a Thursday.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
It's a Thursday.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Thursday, sorry.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thursday the 27th.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Bang on.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
As I said, big day.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Big day.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Taxpayers tomorrow, 28th.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I saw you trying to do your taxes a little
bit earlier, and right move.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
I was just coding in Xero for my accountant.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Multitasking. Hey, now, just before we get into the show,
can I just ask you, Matt, because I don't want
to raise it, but when you came down for the
coffee this morning, did I detect a little bit of
a limp? Just a small limp as you were wandering in.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, thank you for noticing. Yeah. Yeah, a bit of
a stretch of the old Achilles. My son is up
from Otago University and flew home yesterday and we decided
to go for a bit of a run together around
the neighbourhood.

Speaker 6 (01:28):
Beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Just a bit of training.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
A friendly run.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
A friendly run. Yeah. We're running the Emerson's Dunedin Marathon,
just the half, on Sunday the 13th of September. As
I said, I have a code. You get $ 30 off
the feed, the fee. All you need to do is
just register at dunedinmarathon.co.nz and join the The team beat
Heath and used the code BEATHEATH, all caps, one word, BEATHEATH,

(01:55):
to get their 25% off. And you can also win
an Emerson's prize pack. But that's by the by.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
That's by by.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
We were going for this run. And at the end
of the race, because I say race, because I saw
it as a race.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, you've let the cat out of the bag now.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Because it's important to compete with your kids. Absolutely. You know,
and as a dad... There's a long period of time
where you can beat them at chess. You can, you know,
they quickly get better at things like cricket. Suddenly your
son's 14 and he's bowling so fast that you don't
actually want to face his deliveries anymore, that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
That's a bittersweet moment. You're proud and also you're gutted.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
But we came to the last K and I was really,
really hoofing it, like really hoofing it. And I was
thinking I am. I'm getting ahead of him here. He's
not catching me. He's behind me. I can hear him puffing.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Really fast. So the last of the 10Ks we were
running was so much faster. It was a minute faster
than the first K that we ran.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Okay, right.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
So we were really, really hoofing it.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
And then I went over the finish line, which is
just the driveway of our house, and I put my
hands in the air and celebrated like Kachogi. I was
over the line. I was Sebastian Coe.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
It was amazing. I was John Walker over the line celebrating.
And I went, I can still beat you, son. And
he goes, oh, were we having a race?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Oh, come on. Is that legit from him?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
He didn't know. He didn't even notice the pace. He
thought that we were just going for a nice run.
So the race was entirely in my head. I was like,
I'm beating him here. He's like, I could pass Dad
at any point.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, well, the point is you won, mate. So, you know,
hold on to that. Hold on to that win.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
So you think that he was having a go and saying,
I didn't even know it was a race?

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Initially, I'd think that. I mean, I actually think he
was genuine there. But if you say to yourself, come on, boy,
come on, you knew it was a race. I bet
you fair and square. So what are you talking about, Dad?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
I seriously think by the lack of sweat and the
lack of puff at the end of that race when
I hit the ground, when I basically pulled a Radcliffe
in the driveway. I think it's quite possible that he
just thought it was a nice stroll.

Speaker 7 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
He's got the leg reach on you, if that's what
you call it. He's certainly tall. Right, good luck with
that limp, mate. How long until the run?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh, that one.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I mean, it's a half, so we don't have to
train too much. But the 13th of September in Dunedin,
so you come run with me. The Emerson's Dunedin Marathon.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Beat Heath is the code, and good luck with that, Achilles, mate.
It's going to go well.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Thanks, mate.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Join the team. Yeah, I'm into it. Right, into this
particular topic. So Mount Albert Grammar School is facing a
future of more than, get this, 4,000 students as rapid
housing development drives enrolments higher. The school has been granted
18 new classrooms, but Principal Patrick Drum says that may
only be playing catch-up for them. So in-zone enrolments are
already at 20% ahead of this time last year for

(04:57):
Mount Albert Grammar. Drum believes... The increase is largely due
to new housing being built around Mount Albert. He says,
I quote, when I look around the community and see
the huge amount of infill housing development, that has got
to be a big part of this increase. He also
says Auckland's growth means large schools are unlikely to be
a temporary phenomenon. They're not the only school going to
be facing this. And the challenge increasingly being how to

(05:19):
maintain a good experience for individual students as that role grows.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean, he's got an obvious out on this,
hasn't he? Because the problem is that Mount But Grammar
Mags has got a great reputation.

Speaker 8 (05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Very, very good school.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
And so people want to live near it and want
to be involved in it and want to send their
kids there. Tank the school and you'll tank the role.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
You know, you can build 18 classrooms or just tank
the reputation of the school.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (05:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
You've got that option if you really want to use
that nuclear option.

Speaker 9 (05:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
I mean, it is shocking, isn't it, that they will
allow this in full housing and not think that perhaps
you need to think about the school size.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
And whether the school has the ability to expand. Because
my kids went to mags and it was absolutely rammed
with humanity. And in fact, I was saying this before
to you, Tyler, that when my second son went to
the school, he said the hardest bit is just getting
to class up the stairs and through the corridors with

(06:20):
the amount of people. But also at lunchtime, you just
have to find a place to stand. Because there's just
so many kids there.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's like a concert.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
In quite a small area. I mean, it's a great school.
It's got the whole farm area up there and it's
a great school.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
But yeah, just finding a place to stand. So it's
absolutely ramped. But I reckon that big schools are better
than small schools.

Speaker 10 (06:42):
Why?

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Because I had two sons with very different interests. One
was quite sporty and one's quite arty. And a school
like Mags has just such a large population that it
affords itself the ability to provide niche things for everyone. So,
you know, there's anything you want to do, you can

(07:04):
do at that school because there's enough people there. It's
like a small town.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
And so I think there's just a huge amount of opportunities.
I imagine it's pretty fricking stressful, especially in your first
year to head along there. But once you get used
to it, you can find your people and you can find–
your clubs and your interests within a school that big.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's funny you mentioned it's like a little town because
that's what the principal, Patrick Drumm, was saying, that they've
had to restructure it because it is literally like a
small town. So then they've restructured that particular school to
have the middle school and then the senior school almost
with different hierarchies on them to try and cope with it.
But as you say, when you've got a principal and
a leadership team like Patrick Drumm, You can manage it,

(07:50):
and it works pretty well. But there'll be other schools,
even at the seams, that may start to struggle, right?

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I mean, how big was your school?

Speaker 3 (07:59):
2,500 at Nelson College.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
That's a big school.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
That was a big school. That was quite large in
terms of the South Island. In fact, in terms of
for New Zealand. But they did build, they were building
a new school called Garon, just as I was in
my senior year. But again, like you said, the opportunities
were huge. I mean, we had everything at Nelson College.
We had two gyms. We had all that outdoor space.
We had two rugby fields. We had the tennis courts.

(08:24):
I mean, everything was on offer. And I think a
part of that was because it was a large school.
It had a lot of resources pumped into it because
of that reason. So you had those opportunities to do
so much more.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
I reckon Bogan Park High School that I went to
on Butts Road in Dunedin.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Was it Butts Road? You didn't tell me that. So
Bogan Park on Butts Road. I know it's called Logan Park.
Butts Road.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, Bogan Park High School, as all the other schools
called it.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
You didn't stand a chance, mate.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
On Butts Road. Good school, but probably wouldn't have been 1,000.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Not even 1,000?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
I don't think even 1,000. See, that's small when it
comes to high school, isn't it? Yeah, and obviously it
was a totally different era. But I look at the
opportunities my kids had going to this massive school, and
I feel like there was just more things to do.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
What do you say? 0800 80 1080. Would you be
worried about sending your child to a large school nearing
that 4,000 mark? Or do you think it does provide
more opportunities because they get more resources? And the follow-up
question is, is have we got this around the wrong way?
There is so much housing development going on. There's this
unitary plan that's just been signed off in Auckland. Have
they got that around the wrong way without actually thinking

(09:28):
about where the new schools are going to be built
in these communities as they start to increase in numbers dramatically?

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
All right.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
I mean, you can't just put in punishing infill housing
and just endless low quality townhouses and just ram them
in without putting together the infrastructure to cover it.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
You'd think so. Yeah, what do you say, 0800?

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I know you've got to try and make the city
rail link work. I know it's too big to fail,
but come on.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, tell us what you think. 0800 80 1080 is
the number to call. 9292 is the text. It's 16
past one.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams, afternoon.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Gone up 20% ahead of.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
This time last year. And their principal, Patrick Drum, believes

(10:30):
the increase is largely due to the number of infill
housing development around his particular community. So what do you say?
When it comes to big schools, is bigger better? Or
do you, when you're looking at schools for your children,
like to go for something a little bit smaller? 0800
80 1080, is that number to call?

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Paul says Patrick Drum for PM, if he can handle
kids that well. Yeah, I mean, we talk about a
school like Mags being, you know, pushing 4,000 kids, being
like a small town. If a principal can successfully manage
a town of 4,000 kids, and I'd say that would
be more complex than managing a town of 4,000.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, easy.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
People of different demographics.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Then, I mean, surely you should, there'd be a person
that could spring off into politics.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Extrapolate that out.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Thank you very much for those texts. Just keep those
coming through on 9292. But also the secondary question, when
it comes to all this housing development, have they put
the cart before the horse, so to speak, that they
have allowed all of this development to go up? And
as we know, when it comes to development, private development,
that goes up a hell of a lot faster than
decisions being made at government level when it comes to

(11:37):
new schools. Is that the wrong way to go about it?
When you look at Mount Albert and some of those
other big communities around Auckland, Christchurch, Wellington, should they be
actually thinking about the infrastructure before they just allow all
these developments and houses to pop up?

Speaker 11 (11:50):
0800 80 1080.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Because the thing is, if you have a school like
Mount Albert Grim, everyone wants to go there, right?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
And so if you can put– you know, the reason
why people develop there as well is because you can
probably sell the properties quite easy. And also around that
school in that catchment zone, in that end zone– people
will want to move there and the people that want
to move there will be families, right?

Speaker 10 (12:18):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Because they'll want their kids to go to the school
because the school's good.

Speaker 9 (12:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
So it ends up sort of multiplying the situation. So
you've got houses, but those houses are more likely to
be filled by families with kids so that those kids
can go to high schools in a different suburb, right?

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (12:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Oh, 880, 1080 is the number to call. I mean,
when I look down at Christchurch, so after the earthquakes,
there was a bunch of schools that were too expensive
to fix again. So they created this new Hartia Community Campus.
And that was huge for Christchurch, but that's only 2,700 students.
But that was a whole bunch of high schools that
basically got put together on a new site. And parents
were really loathed to send their kids there. They thought

(12:54):
that because of the size, that was going to be
terrible for their students. And I think it's been mixed results.
But 2,700, and then you look at what Mags is
at the moment, 3,500 and potentially nearing 4,000 in the
next couple of years. The census says, hey, high schools
should be 2,000 students maximum. Intermediate schools should be 1,000
students maximum. New Zealand has the largest school rolls in

(13:17):
the world. And more state-owned schools than other countries. Most
countries have schools of 1,000 students maximum.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Is that true?

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Is that true that schools aren't that big? What about,
hang on a minute, not in the United States, because
they have those stadiums at the schools for football.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
That sit, you know, 20,000, 30,000.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Heck yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
If you know if that's true or not, 0800 80
1080 is that number to call and 9292 is the text,
but plenty of text coming through. This one says, then
it wasn't good for him.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Well, neither of my sons were in the first 15,
and they found their way. But, yeah, I mean, you
never know because your kid goes to school and you
never know what school would be best for them. I mean,
there's people that spend a lot of money on private
education and their kids don't succeed either.

Speaker 9 (14:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
So you don't know. But I can imagine that obviously
in a big school you get lost.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Did you get an option on the high school that
you went to?

Speaker 4 (14:20):
When I was a kid?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Kind of.

Speaker 8 (14:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
I wanted to play basketball. And Logan Park was the
best basketball school, so I went there, even though it
was a couple of buses.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Away from home. 0800 80 1080 is that number to call.
So do you care how big a school is when
deciding whether you're to send your kid there, rather? And
if your child does go to a big school, how
is it going for them? Tell us about it. 9292
is that text number. It is 23 past one.

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Speaker 3 (16:20):
27 past one. So how many kids is too many
for a school? Mount Albert Grammar is looking at a
future of more than 4,000 students on its roll after
a big surge in people coming into the community and
infill housing developments.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Oh, I didn't turn my microphone on there, Tyler, did I?

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I heard that.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
So I'll start reading this text again.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Please.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Okay. It's so clear, says this text, what is happening.
They are going to do everything to make the CRL
cock-up work. If that means running over 100, or ramming
over another 100K near the tracks, they'll do it. They
don't care about the schools. It's an exercise in justifying
the $ 5. 5 billion expense and the $ 220 million a year

(17:05):
will cost to pay interest on the loan and upkeep.
They don't care about the schools. This is a face-saving
exercise for the CRL. Is that true?

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 4 (17:14):
180, 1080 is the number. Ross, welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (17:19):
Yeah, hi there, guys. I'm driving at the moment up
the Bombay, but I just want to say that the
size of the school gives you economies of scale. It
gives you diverse staffing. It gives you great diversity of
groups that kids can be part of and have an

(17:39):
identity with. And so the larger they get, the more
support that they can provide. So I wouldn't be particularly
worried about the size of the school, particularly if they
do what they're suggesting and going onto Carrington Road and
having an alternative site. That makes a lot of sense.

(18:02):
But the info is real. I've got a son in Poitchev.
It's happening there, and they have forgotten about the infrastructure
that's needed for communities and schools is a crucial one.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
I mean, how does it work? It is interesting, though,
isn't it? Because we're also talking at the same time
about the population decrease in New Zealand and that we're
not having nearly as many kids. But at the same time,
our schools are getting absolutely packed. Is this the case
across the entire country, that the schools are getting packed?
I mean, you hear about there's obviously Rotorua has got

(18:41):
a massive school, hasn't it?

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
And.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
But is it just that people want to ram right
into some areas? Because if there's less kids being born,
how come our schools are getting so much bigger?

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Thoughts on that, Ross? Oh, he was on the Bombays.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Oh, we've lost him on the Bombays.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Either that or my question was so confused and boring
that he.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
It's an interesting point, though, because you're right. There are
some areas, but not too many, but there are some
where those roles are actually going down. And then you
get the likes of Mags and some of those other
communities closer to Auckland City and in Christchurch and Wellington,
for that matter, that they are heaving at the seams
and they're struggling with that pressure. So it does raise
that question about what is going on with why people

(19:26):
are going into specific areas. And then you've got to
talk about the zoning. Is there some issues around zoning?
if they are going to have this much housing development
pop up in parts of Auckland.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
This text says, this is on the people saying that
it's only New Zealand that has these big schools. That
didn't sound true to me. This text says, my school
in California was 2,500 students when I started, only its
second year operating. By the time I graduated, it was 4,000,
and they had built or started three more schools due
to the need. It wasn't even the biggest school in
the school district. Plenty of small schools in the U.S.,
but in more urban areas, multi-thousand school rolls are very,

(20:02):
very common.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Great text. Thank you very much. Keep those coming through.
9292 is that number.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Donna says, we live 200 meters from Mags, and the
traffic is a nightmare. There are two other schools on
the same street, Marist College. has 750 students year 7
to 13, and Marist Primary has around 400 students. Residents
can hardly drive on the streets during school hours, and
it's only going to get worse. Our council has no
idea and just wants to keep ramming houses in with

(20:30):
zero responsibility to existing residents and the students slash schools.
Patrick Drum does a great job, but something has to
be done about the traffic. That is an intense streak.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, that's where I have to drive through to get
to work, and luckily I'm driving in it after school drop-off,
but it's still pretty crazy. And then you've got the
wave pool right next to it as well.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Yeah, I mean... It's pretty intense on parent-teacher day when
you're trying to get a park, I tell you.

Speaker 7 (20:54):
I bet.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
All right, keep those seats coming through, but taking your calls,
0800 80 1080. Would you be adverse to sending your
child to a big school? And how big was your
school when you were growing up? Is it better to
have a bigger school, more students, more opportunities, or a
smaller the way to go? Tell us your thoughts. It
is 29 to 2.

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profit and is paying the council a $ 55 million dividend.
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than 150 already reported dead. Police want to hear from
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funding on offer. Winton Chief Financial Officer follows Chair and

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Director out the door.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
You can find out more at nzherald.co.nz.

Speaker 8 (22:30):
Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Thank you very much, Raylene. So we're talking about an
increasing issue for schools and the size of their student population.
MAGS is looking at 4,000 in the next couple of years,
but they're not the only ones facing those growing pains.
So a couple of questions for you. One is, are
bigger schools better because they provide more opportunities, or are
smaller schools more important for you as a parent? But

(22:52):
also this issue of housing development. Have they got the
settings right when all this development is going up left,
right and centre, particularly in Auckland, but other parts of
the country, and they're not thinking about the infrastructure, particularly schools?

Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
I mean, if a school has the facilities, then what
does it matter if it's a 10,000-person school, as long
as the government and council provide the facilities for them
to Talk after all those kids that go to the school.
This text has said, it's immigration, you muppet. That's in
response to me saying, if we've got a falling population,
why are the schools getting so rammed?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Right.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
It's immigration, you muppet. I thought immigration had come down
quite a bit, though, recently.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
That's what Liam Dan was saying last week. He came
in to say that immigration had come down or plateaued
from its highs not too long ago. So is that
really the full reason? I mean, maybe part of it?
9292 is the text number. Now, just a look as
well on a story from the Auckland grammar principal, Tim O'Connor,
talking about the zoning legislation that currently exists. As we know,

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under current law, schools must accept all applicants who meet
in-zone criteria with supporting evidence at any point in the year.
But he argued just a couple of months ago they
need to change that law. They are, like Mount Albert Grammar,
getting so many applications in zone, they've actually got private
investigators to find out whether people are in zone now,
but they're getting so many that they want the ability
to say no, even from people who live in zone,

(24:17):
because they can't cope. So he actually wants that law
to change completely, to say we have to have some
flexibility and ownership here to say how many children should
be coming into our school.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
I remember going round to one of my friends, sorry,
one of my kids' friend's house, and And they were
all living in a tiny room. The parents were sleeping
in a double bed in the lounge. Right. Because they
couldn't afford to live in the zone for Auckland Grammar.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
So they just moved all their kids into this tiny
little apartment. And they had, like, three kids in this
one room. And, yeah, so say the parents sleeping in
a double bed in the lounge.

Speaker 9 (24:58):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Just so they could go to grammar. That's how important
it was for them.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Far out, yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
And why shouldn't they? I mean, they've got just as
much right to go to the school there if they're
renting in the zone.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
But it's pretty crazy if you've got private investigators on
behalf of the school trying to find out whether someone's
in zone or not. Rob, your thoughts on zoning and
housing density?

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Yes, good afternoon. How are you, gentlemen?

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Very well.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Thank you. I went to Auckland Boys Grammar Assembly 1983. Now,
in those days, properties were in zones. you paid a
premium for. It was up to, I think in those
days it was $ 40, 000 to $ 60, 000 was the equivalent price
of property for a house in-zone as opposed to a

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house out-of-zone.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
And if we look at the geography of it, I mean,
Brooklyn Grammar, on the left side of Mount Eden Road, out-of-zone,
Whereas you could walk to school. But it took in
all the affluent areas of Rimura and those more, it
wasn't in full housing, but they were in zone. So

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I understand that people are buying to live in zone.
But that is nothing new. I mean, it's been, as
I said, I was at school in 1983 and it
was happening then. I mean, it was the same thing
with First 15. They were getting out-of-zone students to enrol

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at grammar and giving them, their parents, a cash incentive
to play for the First 15. Well, this has been
going on for a long time.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, but I guess if you work out a skill
based on a certain type of housing, so generally speaking
in the suburb of Mount Albert for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
You had.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
I guess, standalone housing, and then every one of those
houses is then zoned that they can subdivide and shove
five townhouses out the back, then that desirable area is
going to get, you know, and the school is good,
like Mags is, then that is going to change the
amount of people trying to get into the school. And

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obviously it's cheaper to be there.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
I firstly had a property in Mount Eden, which was in-zone,
and then I moved to Three Kinks, which is Mount Roscoe.
But you could see a lot of in-zone housing going
to Mount Roscoe, and it was sold under the premise
of it was in-zone for Mount Roscoe grammar, which for
a lot of the Asian community was quite a... It's

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a good school. A good school, and... And the Asian
population had built the school up. And so the same
thing happened in that area. But in full housing came in,
so you could get into... So it's not just Mount Roswell.
It's happening in a lot of areas.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
So are there areas where... So if there's a bad
school in an area, for want of a better word,
then does the population in that area... go down so
it's kind of a two things so a good school
means more people move into the area means the school
gets more rammed a bad school a bad school would
lower the population of the area.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Well i'm not sure because if i reflect on my
days at school we could look at say um New Lynn,
for example, we've got great schools now. You've got, well, Avondale,
Avondale College, which how many thousand people go to Avondale College?

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But in 1793, it was not a good school. Avondale
College was not a good school, but they have picked up.

Speaker 14 (28:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
But that's where the zoning falls apart, right? I mean,
if we just go back to mags, I would argue
it makes more logical sense to reduce the size of
that enrolment zone because if they're already at capacity, you
need to shrink it. And if people buy within the
area and they're no longer in the zone, well, that's
the way it is because they're at capacity. What else
do you do unless you build another school in that

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area and they might not want to go to a
new school?

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Isn't it up to the education department to say there's
a max we can have? I mean, I went back
to the... reunion of Auckland Boys Grammar, and honestly, I
just looked at the amount of students and the school
as it stands today, and I went, if I had
a boy, I would never send him to this school.
And that's an old boy saying that. I'd have the money,

(29:41):
and I'd send him to King's College.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, well, I mean, on the other thing, between Auckland
Grammar and MAGS, a lot of people that I know
are their kids to go to MAGS and not Auckland
Grammar because they preferred.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
That as a school.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
You know, always for the longest time, it's like, oh,
you want to get your kids to go to Auckland
Grammar if you can. But so many of the parents, and,
you know, it makes sense for the sample size because
we did have our kids at MAGS, so they have
made that decision. So it's kind of a weird statistic
to say.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
But they were saying we had chosen to– we wanted
our kids to go to Mags, not Auckland Grammar. But
I guess the thing is there's different things working here, Rob,
because the council and the government have different reasons for
wanting to infill housing and then the education department and

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parts of the school. And then you get that thing
where a school can't turn down people that are in zones.
And maybe a bunch of people are texting that there
is a bit of an agenda to make the city
rail link work, which hits mags pretty hard because, you know,
the train tracks go through there.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
No, they don't. But, yeah, well, something needs to be done.
I mean, we need to, I mean, we know that
larger classes do not make for good students. I mean,
the teacher-to-student ratio is very important. especially at primary level,

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and that follows up to secondary school level. So there
has to be some form, we have to come up
with a compromise and some form of balance.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, although you can have a really, really big school
that also has a good student-to-teacher ratio.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Just a larger faculty.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah, and like, Max looking at building another 18 classrooms.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
I can't argue with that on that point. I cannot
argue with that point, but one, where do we get
the teachers from, and two, how much land is required
for that.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Thank you for your call, Rob.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Good thoughts, yeah. So what do you say?

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Imagine if the government decided to buy the houses it
would need to extend out the schools in the desirable areas.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh, megabucks. Yeah. What do you say? Do you agree
with Rob? Is there some problems with how zoning is
undertaken with all this growth that we're seeing in some communities?
It is quarter to two back in a few moments.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Have a chat with the lads on 0800 80 1080.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
13 to 2, so massive housing development is increasing the
student role dramatically in many high schools in Auckland, Christchurch,
Wellington and around parts of the country as well. So
would you send your child to a large school? Do
you have any issue with that? Do you think the
opportunities are better? And do you think there are some
issues when it comes to zoning?

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Hello Chantelle, how are you? Chantelle? Chantelle? Chantelle, yeah.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Hi, Chantelle.

Speaker 15 (32:37):
How are you guys?

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Very good. Thank you for ringing us this Thursday afternoon.
Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 15 (32:44):
Yeah, well, we moved semi-rural, and so semi-rural South Auckland,
we're zoned for Rose Hill College. But we've just received
notification yesterday or the day before that they're fast-tracking a
development across the road from us, which is going to
see about 1,800 new houses go in, and they'll all

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no doubt be zoned for Rose Hill College. But there's
no provision for another high school. There's a provision for
a primary school, and I guess... In terms of the
small school sort of concept, my kids go to a
school that's got a tiny role of about 150 kids

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at the moment. So going from that primary to intermediate
level into a college with thousands of kids would be
pretty daunting for them, I'd imagine.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah, absolutely. So how big do you say the housing
development was?

Speaker 15 (33:42):
It's looking to be about 1,800 houses.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
1,800 houses, not people, houses.

Speaker 11 (33:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Wow.

Speaker 14 (33:50):
1,800, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's huge.

Speaker 15 (33:54):
We knew it would be coming, but it's just going
to put so much more pressure on the high schools. Well,
Rose Hill College in particular, but there's lots of development
happening in the area, and I'm imagining a lot of
it is tracked to go.

Speaker 13 (34:08):
Through Rose Hill College.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
I've just had a look at the student roll of
Rose Hill. Currently, it's 1,791. So that's a sizable college
as it stands, and then with another 1,800 homes. I mean, conservatively,
you could say that's at least another 500 kids, probably more.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Has Rose Hill College got a bit of space around it, Chantelle?
Could they pump in more classrooms?

Speaker 15 (34:31):
I'm not sure. I haven't sort of been past it
for a while. But, yeah, I know that there's meant
to be a school coming in Drury, like a high school,
but I don't know what the zoning or anything like
that will be or when either. There's sort of no timeline.
But I believe they've secured some land for it. But, yeah,

(34:52):
I'm not sure what's going to feed into that in
terms of primary schools.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
So what are your options, Chantelle? If you're worried about
the size of the student role, have you got any
other options or that's effectively it for you in zone?

Speaker 15 (35:06):
That's effectively it for us unless we can drum up
enough money to send them through to Strathallan School if
that is the right fit for them. But again, it's
quite an academic school and it's not sort of built
for everyone.

Speaker 16 (35:20):
So yeah, Rose Hill.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
What I can say from my experience with my kids
going to a massive school, because it's quite terrifying when
you drop your kids off in their little uniform and
it's massive on them because they're just in their first
year of high school. But just because it's a big school,
I think there are some advantages in a big school
as long as it's well equipped. Just as I was

(35:43):
saying before in terms of the amount of different things
they get to do and how they can find their
people and their interests are catered for So, you know,
if the school is well-resourced, I don't necessarily think it's
a bad thing that a school blows up and becomes
much bigger. But, yeah, as you say, terrifying as a
parent and terrifying as a little kid just arriving in

(36:05):
one of those massive operations.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I agree.

Speaker 15 (36:09):
As long as they've got the student support, you know,
teachers as well to cater for it, then I think
there's great opportunities had at a big school.

Speaker 8 (36:21):
But.

Speaker 15 (36:22):
Yeah, just a bit daunting for them.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, absolutely. Chantelle, thank you very much for giving us
a call. So are you in a similar situation as Chantelle?
If you live in an area where there is a
mass development that's been proposed, upwards of 1,000 homes coming
into that, are you worried about what that will mean
for your local college?

Speaker 4 (36:39):
This can't be true. Ben has texted, I'm a developer.
In that area, and it's actually 60,000 homes over the
next 20 years coming.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
No way. 60,000. I mean, how many more schools do
you need for that? There's at least a half dozen
schools you're going to need to cater for 60,000.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
But it depends who's going to be in the houses, right?
If it's a bunch of people not having babies, then no.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Good point. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (37:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Keep those seats coming through on 9292. It is eight
minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams, taking your calls on 0800 80 1080.
It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Newstalk ZV.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
News talks there, be it is five to two, plenty
of text coming through. This one says, we are on
the shore and a lot of people that aren't in
zone for Westlake are doing what they call shotgun baptisms
to get them into Rosmini or Carmel, as you don't
need to be in zone for those, but they are
regarded as good school shotgun baptisms. This one says, g'day guys,
the senior school in our area is so bad, it

(37:43):
has a negative impact on property values. It is a
dropkick factory. Fortunately, we had always planned to go to
integrated school, and most people around here are doing that now.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
As I was saying before, the best way to solve
this problem for a school is to tank your school.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Make it a rubbish school, and the population in the
area lowers, and you roll.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
The better you are, the more students are coming your way.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
It's not generally what principals and teachers and educators go
into the business to do.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
No, that's right.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Tank schools to help population density.

Speaker 8 (38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Unfortunately, Patrick Drumm at Mags is just too good at
what he does, so the school roll keeps on climbing.
This one says, Hi, guys. The school planning is a
function of the Ministry of Education Property Division, so they
need to be in front of this. And Mungify, they
refuse to build any secondary school, even though the primary
school is bulging.

Speaker 17 (38:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Great discussion. Thank you to everyone who texts through and
gave us a buzz on that. Really enjoyed that conversation.
New sport and weather is fast approaching. You're listening to
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams on your Thursday afternoon. Thank
you very much for giving us a listen. Stay here.
We will be back in a few moments.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
You're too sweet for me.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
It is six past two. So a very, very interesting
policy announcement from ACT this afternoon around cryptocurrency. So ACT
is proposing a major change to how cryptocurrency is taxed,
promising that crypto gains would be tax-free if the asset
has been held for more than a year. So the

(39:41):
party says the policy would make New Zealand's tax system
more attractive to cryptocurrency investors and bring it closer to
countries with more favourable treatment of long-term crypto holding. So
the proposal is aimed at encouraging long-term investment rather than
short-term trading and and ACT argues the current tax treatment
is too complicated and can discourage people from investing in

(40:01):
those digital assets. So under the current rules, investors have
to calculate tax on profits every time they sell or
swap their particular cryptocurrencies, and the policy would also put
crypto on a similar footing as other investments where long-term
gains are not automatically taxed, although the proposal would still
tax profits from crypto sold within a year. Incredibly interesting

(40:25):
policy because that's– I mean, in my opinion, that's always
been the failing of the IRD when it comes to cryptocurrencies.
So as it stands now, you buy a bit of Bitcoin.
Then you want to trade it in for another coin
that you've seen pop up, maybe Doge or Ethereum or
something else. They expect you to have a look at
that trade to note what the difference is in value,

(40:47):
what goes up, what goes down, and then report that
back to the IRD. Incredibly complicated. There would be thousands
of people out there with cryptocurrency that are not doing that.
So technically in breach of the law. I mean, it's
a crazy system that the IRD was too slow to
keep up with. But this does. I mean, this is
a massive push in making it easier for people out
there to get into cryptocurrencies, which could be dangerous in itself.

Speaker 12 (41:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Right, yeah. So do we want more people in crypto?
Is that what we want as a country, or do
we want more people to be using the NZD? And
so just to explain that again quickly. So right now,
people either just hold it and don't ever take it

(41:32):
out of the particular app, right?

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yep, correct.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
So no one ever sees it and never sort of becomes,
you know, the IRD never becomes aware of it, right?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Rather than, and then what's the other option? So if
you do swap it, at what point does it become
something that the IRD would know about?

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Well, that's the tricky part because many people, and if
you're invested in cryptocurrency, love to hear from you on this.
But my argument is that it's very difficult for the
IRD to determine if you've made all these trades, if
you sold Bitcoin for another coin, how do they find out?
They're relying on a lot of truth here, but it
is complicated. But this change here, one that solves the
complication in that system, but encourages arguably more people to

(42:14):
have a look at cryptocurrency as a viable asset.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
So if you put some money into Bitcoin, right, let's
just say Bitcoin, New Zealand dollars, you've bought the Bitcoin
on an app, and then that's gone up, and then
you're purchasing things with that Bitcoin in places that allow
you to purchase it for Bitcoin, then the IRD would
never ever see that unless they got into your wallet,

(42:40):
would they?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Into your crypto wallet.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
That's right. So that's the complicated part. But what do
you say about this? 0880, 1080, do you think this
is a good move? Is it sensible that we have
a policy to allow people easier access to cryptocurrency to
make it more viable option? I mean, this is my
personal opinion. I've been hot and cold on cryptocurrency for
a long time.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
It's on the way back up, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, I was all in at one stage. Then I thought, yeah,
but it's a scam. It's dying off. Then I was
back in and then I was off the train again.
But as you say- Bitcoin has gone back up, what, 30%
in the last month. I think it's here to stay.
There's been many people saying it's just a trend. It's
like the tulips of old. It's going to fall over.
But I think Bitcoin has proven them wrong. What do

(43:22):
you say, though?

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Well, hang on a minute. Let's have a look right now.
Let's have a look right now, Tyler, with your crypto.
Where are we at with Bitcoin? Because it was off
a cliff for the longest time. And then, you know,
when it goes up, everyone goes, well, it should have
bloody jumped in there. It was bound to go up again.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
So over the last, let's go three months. Okay, over
the last month, it's up.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
It's up?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Oh, okay. Hang on a minute. Let's try and work
this out, actually. It's kind of complicated.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
So I've just had a look at six months. So
it had a big drop in June.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
And then it's held pretty low, well, not low, about
$ 100, 000 New Zealand per Bitcoin. And then in August 18, boom,
back up to $ 130, 000 per coin.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Yeah, so it had a, No, hang on a minute.
Isn't it up to 80?

Speaker 3 (44:09):
80, sorry, yes.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
80.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
So that was all over across a very small time
between 18th of August and the 21st of August. It
had a big, big jump, but now it's sort of
flattened out again. But if you'd bought a lot of
Bitcoin on the 17th of August, then you would have
made a lot of money. If you'd wanted to do

(44:32):
anything with it, then that's... That's where it gets complicated
with the IRD.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
So what do you reckon about this particular policy? Is
this the right move? Do we need to make it
easier and more simplified for people to get into cryptocurrency?
Or are you on the other side? Do you think
it is dangerous? It is a scam and there needs
to be more regulations. What do you say? 0800 80
1080 is that number to call. 9292 is the text number.
And very shortly, we're going to have a chat to
ACT Party leader David Seymour on this. It is 12
past two.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Your home of afternoon talk, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.
Call 0800 80 1080 Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Newstalk ZB, it is a quarter past two. So the
ACT Party wants to allow people to make tax-free profits
from cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin as long as they hold it
for more than a year. To discuss further, we are
joined by ACT Party leader David Seymour. G'day, David.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
G'day, g'day.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Well, what is the problem that's trying to be solved here, David?

Speaker 18 (45:27):
Well, the problem is that the rest of the world
is increasingly embracing cryptocurrencies and stable coins as an alternative
to the American dollar or the British pound or whatever
they use in their country. But here in New Zealand,
we have very unusual tax treatment. We're not really open
to the idea. And I want our country not to

(45:49):
be a backwater. But the frontier for a free world
and being one of the most isolated places on Earth
could go either way. If we want to be a frontier,
then we should be a country where it's natural to
use new technologies if people want to.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
You don't have to.

Speaker 18 (46:07):
And we don't find ourselves as the place where they say,
you know, at the end of the world, go to
New Zealand because they're still 20 years behind.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
We want to be ahead.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
So how's the tax system working now with crypto? It
seems reasonably complicated.

Speaker 18 (46:22):
Yeah. So let's say you have some Bitcoin, just for example,
or some Ethereum. Now, a lot of people would say
that's just money. It's just like an American dollar, New
Zealand dollar, whatever. But our tax system treats it as
an asset. And if that asset has appreciated in value,
then you can be taxed on the difference between when

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you got that Bitcoin and when you used it to
buy a coffee, say. That seems really unusual, and it is.
We're saying that for up to $ 10, 000 of purchases a year,
you don't have to pay taxes if it's an asset.
We're going to treat it like it's actually just a
kind of money. And similarly, if you hold some Ethereum

(47:09):
or some Bitcoin or whatever, then if you hold it
for more than a year, you are no longer judged
to be trading it. So therefore you don't have to
pay tax on any gains that you make. So a
little bit like the Brightline test for housing, if you
hold it for more than two years, you don't have
to pay the tax. We would make it basically acceptable

(47:31):
to have small amounts that you use for just buying and,
you know, you go to some cafes, they will take
Bitcoin for a coffee, buying and selling things in small
amounts and to keep it for more than a year
without facing taxes.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Is it kind of an honesty thing generally and going
forward with crypto? Because the IRD, unlike, you know, bank
transactions that go through your, you know, everything's listed in
your bank and it can all be seen. Isn't it
with Your crypto wallet is kind of personal to you,
isn't it? If you want to get the IRD involved,

(48:06):
that's an honesty thing.

Speaker 18 (48:08):
Well, strictly speaking, all taxes in New Zealand are voluntary.
You don't have to pay taxes, but if you don't
and they catch you, you're in big trouble.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
But I guess what I'm trying to say is it's
probably easier to hide it all and potentially the Dove personalities,
knowing the crypto fans I speak to, they're more likely
to be... not engaging with the IRD if they possibly can't?

Speaker 18 (48:32):
Look, it's fair to say that people who are in crypto,
I mean, according to the IRD, there's 155,000 Kiwis who
are holding some sort of crypto assets. Now, of course,
that's the ones the IRD knows about. So if your
theory is correct, I suspect that There's probably quite a
few more Kiwis that are holding it. So this is

(48:52):
not for everybody yet. But if you want to be
a pathfinder and a changemaker and take on something new
and see if it works for you, then it shouldn't
be our own government's laws that make it harder than
it needs to be. The government should be there to
unlock New Zealand's potential with a simple principle. If you're
not doing anything wrong and you're not harming anyone else,

(49:13):
then make the most of your life.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Why would I care?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Do you think it's been a deliberate ploy with the
regulations and the complicated tax system to try and pour
cold water on this particular type of investing, David, so far?

Speaker 18 (49:25):
No, I would give you the same answer as anyone.
saying that there's a government conspiracy. People sometimes speculate that
we're up to all sorts of things. And usually my
answer is, mate, We could never do that. We are
struggling to get children to go to school that we built.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
So there's no conspiracy.

Speaker 18 (49:45):
It's just that the world has moved on and the
government and the parliament, I mean, these are institutions that
evolved with pen and paper. I mean, typewriters were state
of the art at one point and now the world's
become digital and it moves and changes much faster than
our systems were set up for. For example, If a

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law goes through Parliament, there's a six-month select committee process,
and overall it usually takes about a year to pass
one law, plus another year to prepare it before it
gets introduced to Parliament. So we've got something that moves
in a two-year cycle, whereas in the digital world, things
move faster. And I just think it's important that You know,
not for everyone. There'll be some people listening saying, I

(50:25):
don't want anything to do with Bitcoin.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Well, that's fine.

Speaker 18 (50:28):
But we should try and be, you know, a frontier country,
a country where we can lead and not a country
that people joke about being 20 years behind. That requires
the government to be a bit more agile and say, hey, look,
you know, the way that we've traditionally treated assets for
tax doesn't really work when you've got something that's kind
of an asset but can also be used as money.

(50:50):
If people are using it as money, they shouldn't have
to pay the taxpayer.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Yeah, I like what you're saying. You would struggle to
find enough people in government that understand crypto to rustle
up a conspiracy probably. Maybe two or three.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, and the ones that do aren't telling anyone.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
So in a way, the value of the NZ dollar
is the wealth of our nation, one way of looking
at it. So what's the benefit to New Zealand of
encouraging people to put their money into Bitcoin at the
expense of the New Zealand dollar?

Speaker 18 (51:23):
Well, the wealth of our nation is only valuable because
it gives some indication of the total wealth of the people.
The people are what really matters here. And if people
want to store their wealth in crypto, say, then they
haven't become any less wealthy. So the wealth of the nation...

(51:45):
currently is the NZ dollar, but it might become a
combination of the NZ dollar and other currencies and assets
that people hold. And frankly, when I look at the
way that Adrian Orr and Grant Robertson blew up the
New Zealand dollar and substantially devalued it and devalued the
wealth of the country in the process, it mightn't be

(52:07):
a bad idea for New Zealanders to have alternatives for
storing their wealth. You only have to look at what
happened to gold during the period of Adrian Orr to
see why maybe Kiwis have always wanted alternatives. And in
the modern world, you shouldn't have to have gold bars
under your mattress. You might have some Bitcoin.

Speaker 8 (52:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
It's an interesting policy act. A party leader, David Seymour,
thank you very much for your time and great to
catch up. So what do you say?

Speaker 5 (52:37):
180, 1080.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
If you're investing in cryptocurrencies at the moment, is this
music to your ears? Has it been far too complicated?
Apparently there's 355,000 Kiwis who dabble in cryptocurrency, according to
the IRD, at a value of $ 36 billion. That is
a sizable amount of money tied up in cryptocurrency for
New Zealanders.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
$ 36 billion.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
$ 36 billion. So if that's you, what do you think
about this particular policy? Does this bring us in line
with the rest of the world? Tell us, 0800 80
1080 is that number, and 9292 is the text number.
It is 23 past 2.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Call 0800 80 1080
on Newstalk ZV.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
25 bars too, so the Yak Party wants to allow
people to make tax-free profits from cryptocurrencies as long as
they hold on to it for more than a year.
If you're invested in cryptocurrencies, how do you feel about
this particular policy? Is this going to make things far
easier for you? Or if you are on the other side,
do you think it is the wrong message to make
it easier for people to invest in this sort of stuff?

(53:51):
0800 80 1080 is that number to call and 9292
is the text number. Ben, what's your view?

Speaker 10 (53:59):
Look, I don't think it goes far enough. I play
around with crypto. I probably made a couple of grand
last year and the year before and Like, it's not
a huge amount, but I'll pay around for about $ 10, 000
on going between, like, Solana and XRP and HyperLiquid and stuff,
some Ethereum. And I just trade it. So sometimes I'm doing, like,

(54:22):
10 trades a day just on my phone. I'll see it. Like,
I'll see XRP go up three cents. I'll sell, and
then guaranteed sometime that day, it'll drop again to three cents,
so I'll buy again. So I've just made like two
or three cents on the dollar, but if I'm doing
that multiple times a day, it adds up. Sometimes you
can make a couple hundred bucks in a day, and

(54:45):
this tax change is going to help someone like me,
and I've got a lot of mates that do it.
We don't bother declaring any of it because... At the
end of the day, if we're doing 10 trades a day,
it's a bit hard to declare, you know, a couple
of cents profit on each dollar here and there. And then, yeah,

(55:05):
you do get some losses, you know. Sometimes you don't
time it quite right and you do lose a bit,
but you'll make it up somewhere else. So, yeah, I
don't necessarily agree with this.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
So are you factoring in if you were, you know,
involving the IRD and the tax side of it, you factor?
you factor in your losses as well, Ben.

Speaker 10 (55:27):
Yeah, look, I'll be honest, I don't even declare most
of it to the OID because it's just, it's just
too hard. It's, the tax system is too, um, it's,
it's damn hard if you're, you're doing multiple, um, times
a day and then you're trading out through stable coin
and then, yeah, you're chucking some in the stock exchange,
the US stock exchange and then you're changing it out

(55:47):
to an NZD stable coin. It's, it's just too hard
to keep track of, man. Like, um, You're going to
have to be an accountant all day long.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
And would it be true to say that unless the
IRD got into your crypto apps, then there's not really
any way of them knowing what you're up to, Ben?

Speaker 10 (56:11):
Well, they can now scan the blockchain. And especially, like,
you've got, like, the NZ stablecoin is connected to Swift,
so they can scan it through there, but it depends
if you're using cold wallets or not.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
What's a cold wallet, Ben?

Speaker 10 (56:29):
So it's one that's decentralized. It's not part of a
centralized system.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Right.

Speaker 10 (56:34):
And you hold it, so your crypto data is held
on your device. It's not held in the cloud or anything.
So look at it. I don't think this is going
to change much for many people, but this is the
way of the future. This is where our currency is going, stablecoin.
Like Trump said, the US dollar will be a stablecoin

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in 2032, and that's what he's trying to get the
Genius Act and the Clarity Act through. It's already passed Congress.
They just need to sign it off on the Senate,
but they'll sign it off later this year after the midterms.
And so the pillars are already there. The system's already
set up. So this is where the reserve currency is

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going onto stablecoins.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
So a stablecoin being, just so people don't know, so
a stablecoin is when it's tied to just a standard currency,
like the dollar.

Speaker 10 (57:26):
Yeah, so it's pillar for pillar. So $ 1 is one stablecoin,
and you've got US stablecoin, you've got New Zealand. There's
a company in Christchurch that does New Zealand stablecoins. they're
being backed by the Reserve Bank. So this is definitely.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
Where our currency's going.

Speaker 10 (57:44):
And, you know, look, I can transfer money through stablecoins
to the US in seconds, and then the guy, I've
just paid someone in the US in seconds with no
transaction fees, nothing. There's no longer, you've got to wait
two or three days for it to show up.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
It's seconds.

Speaker 10 (58:02):
This is where everything's heading.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Does that kind of, take away some of the advantages
of crypto crypto being a stable coin because what isn't
one of the advantages that you know quantitative easing and
all the things that governments can do to lower the
value of of a a government dollar is that is
well you got.

Speaker 10 (58:23):
Those different to a stable coin so um a stable
you know crypto goes up and down A stable coin
is still on the blockchain, but it's tied to the dollar.
So if the dollar goes up, the stable coin goes up.
If it goes down, so on and so on. It
just means that basically they're taking your dollar that you've
got in your pocket and they've digitized it. So it's

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basically a digital version of the dollar.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Yeah, but what I'm saying, Ben, with that is that's
all the same problems with... your money being devalued over time,
depending on whatever particular government policy?

Speaker 10 (59:02):
Well, not the way that Trump's trying to do it.
So he's trying to do it where he holds, the
US holds 10% of Bitcoin. And so his stablecoin will
be decentralized from a dollar and will be backed by
gold and stablecoin. So basically bringing back the gold standard
to keep the reserve currency afloat. And that's where it's heading.

(59:24):
He's even said that's where he wants the.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Dollar to be.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Do you think it could be dangerous for people that
are not that familiar with crypto out there, Ben, that
it is, you know, this is if this policy gets
across the line, there's a lot of temptation there to
say put $ 100, 000 in Bitcoin. You let it sit there
for a year. You hope it goes up. And over time,
it seems to be that's the trend. Then you pull
out your profit. You don't pay any tax on it.
But if you don't know what you're doing, that could

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be risky.

Speaker 10 (59:53):
It's all about timing, eh? Like, you know, I can't
even judge the time of, like, Bitcoin or anything. It's
just luck, really. It's luck, you know. When everyone's buying,
it's going up. When everyone's cashing out, it's going down.
So it's, yeah, supply and demand, basically.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
So is it, you know, like, if you're working the
stock exchange, you can look at the profitability of the company,
you can, you know, read reports and make decisions, arguably,
on the stock exchange. that, you know, increase your chances
of being right. Is that just not the case in Bitcoin?
You can't read around and get the vibe of which

(01:00:34):
way a coin is going?

Speaker 10 (01:00:38):
You sort of can, like, basically on the trades, you
can check the trades and, you know, who's trading what,
and then you go, okay, if heaps of people are
dumping it, get out now, you know, and then, and
then it starts going down, and then everyone gets back
in and buys, and then it goes up again. And
that's where you make the money, just like stock exchange, really,
but it's more volatile than that. It's really hard to

(01:01:01):
time it. But the trouble is with the crypto, it
can be manipulated. So if someone's got, you know, $ 50
million lying around, they chuck it in, of course it's
going to go up, you know?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 10 (01:01:12):
It can be manipulated, and that's what the Clarity X
that Trump's trying to get through um the house at
the moment that's going to change that that means it
can be um you know it basically bringing it under
the american rules.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
So did you predict um do you have any idea
on the 17th of august that um bitcoin was after
a bit of a rough time was can suddenly have
a big jump no.

Speaker 10 (01:01:37):
I don't look like i haven't touched bitcoin in a
couple of years i i tend to play around with
the small ones because um I work on the cents
from the dollar rather than dollar to dollar, you know.
I have a lot of money to play around in Bitcoin.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Good on you, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, thank you very much for your call. 0800 80 1080.
So you're still bullish when it comes to cryptocurrency. Are
you still all in, considering what we've seen happen to
Bitcoin and some of those other coins? And how do
you feel about Axe Policy, that if you hold it
for a year, you can take that profit tax-free? Tell
us your thoughts. 9292 is the text number. Headlines with
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Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Thank you very much, Raylene. So the ACT Party wants
to allow people to make tax-free profits from cryptocurrencies like
Bitcoin as long as they hold it for more than
a year. What do you say about this? If you're
investing or buying cryptocurrencies, what do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Crypto is nothing but gambling. Unless you can explain how
it goes up and down, then it's just speculation. Do
bets on the TAB. Get taxed.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Your earnings.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
How does that work when you earn?

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
They don't get taxed. I'm pretty sure, yeah, for recreational
punters and other professional punters out there. But, yeah, if
you get a big win at the TAB on the
horses or at the casino or lotto, for that matter,
then that's tax-free.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
I mean, if you put it through any kind of
goods or services, the 15% will come off it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Yeah, I hadn't even thought about that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
It's kind of complicated because for a lot of us,
everything we do goes through our bank that goes through,
in my case, zero, which goes to your accountant, and
then they sort it all out, right?

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
So crypto's a whole nother thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
It's another level. Even just that it's another level than that,
because people are saying, what are you talking about? Someone's saying,
get your head around it. It's just another form of currency. Yeah,
I get that, but it's another line of earnings or...
in financial operations that you're doing that's outside of the
very simple straight one that goes, you know, that goes

(01:04:51):
through so everything's listed in your bank account.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Exactly. And you have to have specialised accountants to deal
with a lot of that stuff. But what do you say, Cullen?

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
Hey, guys.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Yeah, got you there. So you want to talk about
your dealings with IRD and the blockchain.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:05:05):
So basically, I contact IRD. So I dabbled in both
shares and crypto. And basically, I told them what I've
done and basically they labeled me as a trader. And
so for any stocks I sell, I have to pay
a tax on compared to the average go. But then
I also inquired more about how crypto works. And as
a trader, I have to declare everything that I do

(01:05:26):
on the blockchain to the IRD, which is fine. But
I heard the guy previously say that he makes like 10,
15 trades a day and he can't track them all.
But really, it's pretty simple, too, because it's like, oh,
you can AI anything and it sends everything out to
you that you've done recently. You can do that for
your whole taxable year, and it tells you on this
date at this time you've done this because you have

(01:05:47):
a blockchain ID.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
But that is, I mean, just listening to you say that, Callum,
that is if you're doing 15 trades a day and
then you're trying to work out your cryptocurrency trades for
the entire financial year, so you get AI to try
and do it for you, and AI makes a lot
of mistakes.

Speaker 9 (01:06:05):
It's not AI per se, so what this thing is,
is you enter whatever exchange you've done it on. So
if I do it, say, through Kraken or Coin, you
use that, and it's got your account, and it will
go through and it will scan how many trades you've done.
Let's say I've placed 1,000 trades. I haven't done 1,000 trades,
but let's say I've done 100 trades, and it showed
me I've won 60.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Of them and I've lost 40.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
On the 60 of one, I've made $ 1, 000.

Speaker 9 (01:06:26):
On the 40 I've lost, I've lost $ 500, and I've
spent $ 100 on transaction fees, and it tells me the
amount that I've made.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
And so when you're doing your end of years, Cullen,
do you register that with the IRD?

Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
Yeah, so I.

Speaker 9 (01:06:45):
Declare that to them. But I tell them, like, look,
I've made $ 400. I put that through, and then they
come back to me. I fill out an IR3 form,
I think it's called.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:06:54):
And I fill that out, and they tell me how
much tax I owe from that compared to what I've
earned from my.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Well, that makes a lot of sense that if you're
using an app. and they're making a bit of money
off you, that they'd have the functionality to sort out
this pretty major problem.

Speaker 9 (01:07:09):
Yes, but they do that. But also the thing is, though,
if you, for example, wanted to see what I've traded,
you can. That's the thing that makes crypto appealing, is
where if I go buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks,
no one really knows that I've done that. With the blockchain,
all that is known information. Obviously, there's like thousands and
millions of transactions happening constantly.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
But if I go and buy a a coffee at
Starbucks using my money card, then the bank knows. It
pops up in a list. Yeah, so the.

Speaker 9 (01:07:42):
Bank will know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
And so how does it, on the Bitcoin, who else
knows about it?

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
So you wouldn't receive like a notification per se, but
everything gets listed on the blockchain.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 9 (01:07:54):
So I'll be able to see, you know, if you
like your cup of coffee, it's not really going to
matter too much, but for your like real big players,
when they go out and they're spending, $ 100 million on
something or spending $ 1 million on something on the blockchain,
it will come up there and people can see what
they're spending it on, where that money's going.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:08:11):
So that's part of the appeal for wanting that. So
there's more accountability.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Realistically, Callum, for most people out there who dabble in cryptocurrencies,
I mean, the IRD are only going to know about
it if they transfer it back to cash, right? To currency.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
And then that's the problem, right? So then you say,
I'm done with this. I've had too much losses. I'm
just going to cash it all in back to normal currency.
And then the IRD might say, oh, hang on a minute.
Where did this money come from? Is this crypto? You
need to explain your profits and losses.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:08:43):
I mean, that's the same thing. Let's say, hypothetically, if
you have someone, I don't know, like a tradie going
around and he's doing a bunch of jobs and he's
getting money under the table and he suddenly has got
a brand new boat, the IRD is going to be
asking where he's getting all that money from.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Yep, true.

Speaker 9 (01:08:57):
And that's the same thing as cryptocurrency. So if you're
taking it out and you've got $ 500 here and there,
no one's going to bat an eye. But when you're
doing large amounts of money, eventually people catch on. Like
I was listening to what David Seymour said before. where
taxes are voluntary. But when you get caught, then you're
in big trouble. It'll be similar to like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
Taxes are voluntary until you end up in prison.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:09:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
So does this make sense to you, Cullen? I mean,
is this going to make it far more accessible that
if you hold it for a year, then you can
have tax-free profits?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I think so.

Speaker 9 (01:09:28):
I think that's a great thing because I think as well,
a lot of the people come into crypto and they
get destroyed.

Speaker 7 (01:09:33):
They buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
It goes down a bit.

Speaker 9 (01:09:35):
Three months later, they sell it or it goes up
a bit. They think they're the man and then they
put all that money in a different coin and then
they lose it all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I imagine it would, you know, it's not going to
stop day traders, but it's less of an incentive to
do day trading, right? That if you want to get
into cryptocurrency, it makes more sense to hold on to it,
put it in stable coin or hopefully Bitcoin goes up.
and then you can claim the benefits down the track.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:10:00):
I mean, it's like any investment at the end of
the day. Like if I go ahead and I have
100 grand that I want to put into Bitcoin, you
need to be fully aware that it might go down
and you lose money. It's the same if you want
to invest 100 grand into your KiwiSaver, it could lose money.
If you want to invest that 100,000 into shares, it
could lose money.

Speaker 8 (01:10:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:10:17):
It's like any investment. I think at the end of
the day, if it's going to get more people into it,
I think that is a positive thing because you might
have some people now who are discouraged from joining it
because they don't understand how the tax system works regarding
it because it is a bit of a nightmare to
try to figure out currently.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Why do you think it's a good thing if more
people are into crypto?

Speaker 9 (01:10:36):
I think it's the way of the future, personally. I
think it's definitely more of a younger person thing. I mean,
I'm pretty young myself, but it's the same as towards gold,
for example, where people go ahead and they buy a
bunch of gold and then they'll hide it somewhere and
no one knows really they got that gold, but they're
accumulating this wealth.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 9 (01:10:56):
But I view Bitcoin as digital gold.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Ah, that's interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:10:59):
In that way, in that sense, because you have a
bunch of people who will buy gold and that's their
way of holding non-SEAC currency.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
So it's another way for young people to, you know,
if you can't scrape enough for a house, this is
the new investment for young people.

Speaker 9 (01:11:14):
Yeah, like you do that and you just buy cryptocurrency
and I'd say like the best thing you can do
So anyone is to buy some or even buy stocks,
for example, and buy it because you're more likely to
make money than just holding money in your bank account.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
It's pretty volatile, though.

Speaker 7 (01:11:31):
It is.

Speaker 9 (01:11:32):
So that's why I think you do definitely need a
strong stomach, but it's also just not being stupid with it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
You're going to.

Speaker 9 (01:11:38):
If you're going to go ahead and put $ 100, 000 into
something you don't know much about, then I don't think
you deserve to have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
That $ 100, 000.

Speaker 9 (01:11:44):
If you go ahead and keep it down with yourself
and you've got $ 10, 000 and you go, look, I'm going
to go ahead, I'm going to put $ 5, 000 into KiwiSaver
and I'm going to put $ 5, 000 into Bitcoin. And you
accept that it's an investment. It's the same as if
you go, I think QQQ is the main one that
a lot of people invest in, the American S &
P 500. And you go, look, I've got.

(01:12:07):
Whatever, 20 grand of my savings leading around, I want
to invest it. And we all know when you buy
the S & P 500 or shares, you're looking at
it from, okay, I'm buying this now and then 20,
30 years down the line, I'm going to reap the rewards.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Well, hey, thanks for ringing in, Cullen.

Speaker 15 (01:12:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Interesting point.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Yeah. I mean, I guess it's, yeah, people keep saying
it's not complicated. It is kind of complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
It is to me. It is very complicated to me.
And look, I said to you when I was not bullish,
but I gave it a go and I was terrible
at it. Lost a lot of money and tried to
trade these coins that I thought were going to rock
it up in price and lost about 3K. Huk Toa.
Huk Toa. Didn't get into that one. Too late to
get into that one. Huk Toa.

Speaker 12 (01:12:49):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
That wasn't a great investment. But what do you say? Oh, 180.
Whatever happened to that girl?

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
Jim says, same as any other business you're in, it's
just life in the world we are in. If you're
paying tax, you are making money. It's okay.

Speaker 9 (01:13:01):
Jim.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Do you agree with Jim? 9292 is the text, 13
to 3.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams' afternoons.
Have your say on 0800 80 1080. Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
It is 10 to 3. The ACT Party wants to
make it easier for people to invest in cryptocurrency without
the palaver of dealing with the IRD.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
What do you say? This text says, Simon says, guys,
forget crypto. NFTs are where it's at. Can't go wrong.
Solid as a tulip, Simon.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
Josh, how are you, mate?

Speaker 16 (01:13:32):
G'day, lads. How are we?

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah, good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 16 (01:13:35):
Yeah, well, I had one of the mates. He was
on the super yachts in France, and he put $ 32, 000
US on one, and this was probably about 12 years ago.
And at the time, it was at $ 0. 02, and he
managed to get lucky, and overnight it went up to $ 0.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
38.

Speaker 16 (01:13:51):
Not bad. Yeah, so all of a sudden he had
500 and something thousand US dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
And what did he do? Does he still have that
money or, you know, because you get rushed to the
head when you've had that kind of success?

Speaker 16 (01:14:06):
Well, his portfolio, like, because, as you mentioned, just NFTs before,
went up to about 2.3 million US dollars. And it's just, like,
gone through the roof. It's nothing now. Like, so, you know,
my advice would be, you know, I think that sort
of bull train's run, to be honest. And, you know,
he keeps on saying to me about a bull train

(01:14:26):
that's supposed to be happening or something. But, you know,
it's sort of been, like, five years and all it's
been doing is sort of welting away his money with
Paul Bugger.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Yeah, and that's the trick, isn't it? I mean, when
you get into a coin and you get a massive
profit and you think, oh, yeah, I'm on the train now,
and then slowly then it drops off a cliff.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
I mean, that's with shares, that's with a lot of things,
isn't it? Knowing when to jump out, when to consolidate
and jump out and say that's enough. That's a tough
thing to do.

Speaker 16 (01:14:54):
Yeah, and that was the hard thing. He was doing
so well. Like I said, about 2.4 million US dollars,
and now, to be honest, he's going to have to
go back to work.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
And it would be so much harder going back to
work when he'd flown so high, Josh.

Speaker 16 (01:15:13):
Exactly. Eight years of living a dream of just travelling
around and partying and... You know, like, I'm thankful for him.
He gave us a great time for a couple of years,
to be honest. And, yeah, but, you know, poor bugger's
now back to work.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Like the rest of us.

Speaker 16 (01:15:30):
Just beware your investment, lads, I say that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Yeah, thanks for your call, Josh. Well, is it better
to love, to have loved and lost, than never to
have loved at all?

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
It's only like a good eight years.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
And Josh did well out of it, too. Yeah, he
had a good trip.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
He might not have had that eight years, and now
he's just back to being like us.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Yeah, whole perspective. A couple of texts before we get
to play some messages. Bitcoin is just a Ponzi scheme, fellas.
It appeals to the young because they're gullible, not smart.
It relies on the greater fool theory. That's why people
in it always recommend it. They need a greater fool
to save them. That's from Jack. What do you say
to that, crypto lovers? It is eight to three.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Newstalk ZB, it is five to three. So many texts
coming through on 9292. This one pushes back on the
previous text saying Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme. Fellas, Bitcoin
is not Ponzi. It's supply and demand as it gets
mined at halves. Only morons would call it a Ponzi scheme.
In this one, g'day gents, great chat this afternoon. There's
a famous quote that Warren Buffett once said and lives by,

(01:16:36):
time in market beats timing of market. every day of
the week. And this one, G'day guys, there's a big
difference between investing and speculating. A gold bar in your
position can't disappear off your computer screen. That's from Tony.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Yeah, but I know I always struggle to get my
head around this. What is the intrinsic value of gold?
I mean, it's useful in some kind of electronics. But
unless we all agree that all the That the glittery
awesomeness of gold and its rarity is worth something.

Speaker 9 (01:17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
I mean, that could blow up as well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
I mean, if everything goes tits up in the world,
I mean, can you eat gold? Is that really going
to be tradable as we see in those dystopian movies?

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Well, if Mad Max has taught me anything after the apocalypse,
it's oil that becomes important.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yeah, gasoline's the good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Muscle cars and the petrol to power them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Invest in oil.

Speaker 16 (01:17:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Great discussion. Very interesting discussion. Thank you to everyone who
gave us a text and called through. We're going to
change it up after three o'clock and ask the question,
are dad bods becoming more attractive? We'll tell you more
about that very, very soon. It is three minutes to three.
New sport and weather.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
I hope so.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Me too.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Oh, hang on a minute. What's a dad bod?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
What I've got, mate.

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Even though I'm not a dad.

Speaker 12 (01:17:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
A bit pudgy. We'll explain more soon.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
I don't mind what I'm looking at.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the programme.
It is seven past three and great to have your
company this Thursday. So are dad bods becoming more attractive?
There's some new research that has just come out. And
when it comes to a dad bod, so the official
definition is a male physique, a physique rather, that is
slightly soft or plump around the middle while retaining some

(01:18:31):
underlying muscle. So parenthood psychologist Darby Saxby, she was on
Stephen Bartlett's Diary of a CEO podcast, very popular podcast.
Explaining this new research, which has found the stereotypical dad
bod is regarded as the most attractive body type by
most women.

Speaker 11 (01:18:47):
Women actually like a dad bod.

Speaker 19 (01:18:49):
Studies of single women have found that if you show
them a series of body types, the dad bod is
the most popular.

Speaker 11 (01:18:55):
Dad bod.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Dad bod.

Speaker 11 (01:18:56):
That's a fun topic. Something fun.

Speaker 19 (01:18:58):
We frequently joke about but it's been found across both
animal and human studies that males tend to gain weight
when they become fathers.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Is that just the cortisol and the lack of sleep
So it's a.

Speaker 11 (01:19:07):
Mix of all the hormones.

Speaker 19 (01:19:08):
It's prolactin, sleep deprivation, changes in physical activity, changes in
our diet because of stress and some of the dietary
choices that we're making.

Speaker 11 (01:19:18):
A lot of stuff is happening all at once. It's
kind of a perfect storm.

Speaker 19 (01:19:20):
There was a study that looked at tamarind monkeys that
were expecting offspring. It fed them a standardized diet and
it compared them to tamarind monkeys who didn't have partners
that were expecting offspring. And they found that the expectant
dads actually gained more weight even though they were eating
the same diet.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Why would that be?

Speaker 19 (01:19:37):
If you think about increasing your body size to be
more imposing and to better ward off attacks from rivals,
and you also want to buffer in case there's scarcity.

Speaker 11 (01:19:48):
You want extra fat. Women actually like a dad bod.

Speaker 19 (01:19:51):
Studies of single women have found that, you know, if
you show them a series of body types, the dad
bod is.

Speaker 11 (01:19:56):
The most popular. I don't know if you remember Olly.

Speaker 19 (01:19:59):
Mears, the British singer who did a big tone-up at
the gym and posted selfies, and all these women online
were saying, like, we liked.

Speaker 11 (01:20:05):
The before picture.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Can't f * * * ing win.

Speaker 11 (01:20:08):
The sort of.

Speaker 19 (01:20:08):
Dad bod is one that women say he's more likely
to be a hands-on father.

Speaker 11 (01:20:13):
He's probably going to be more attentive. He's going to
be more caring. And those are things that are really attractive.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
That's punishing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
That music behind, there's no need for that sort of music. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
The tamarin monkeys, why are they going to the gym
and working out so hard? And, you know, image maxing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Looks maxing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Yeah, tamarin.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
If what the– what the ladies actually want as a
dad bod. I mean, it seems hard to believe to me, right?
So why has everyone, to be more serious, you know,
the gyms and all the massive health industry and people
like Diary of a CEO. Yep. What's his name?

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
Bartlett.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Stephen Bartlett.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Stephen Bartlett, who sounds like AI on that, but isn't.
You know, their whole thing is telling people to get
in shape and Stop drinking. And the minutiae of your health, right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
But why are you doing that? Why are you going
to the gym if the ladies don't care?

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think it's been a bit of
a lie.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Have we been told a lie that, you know, to
attract a partner, we need to be in incredible shape?

Speaker 5 (01:21:28):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Oh, 180, 1080. Look, I don't buy, you know, when
she was saying that when a father becomes a father,
then they start to put on weight, they carry a
bit more fat to make them more imposing. Is that
really what's going on there? I mean, that was the
biological research that somehow you have a child, you put
on more bulk, you get a bit fat around the middle.
Somehow that is more intimidating towards an opposing male.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Well, have you heard the term cheating weight?

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
So it's when you're in a relationship and when a
woman's in a relationship, there's a term called cheating weight.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
And, uh, suddenly your partner, uh, gets an incredibly good shape.
So they're not running the dad bod family situation. They're
back on the market. And so they suddenly go to
the gym and, uh, that's called cheating weight.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
And you start asking the question, uh, you know, uh,
she might start asking the question, why is he suddenly
in such good shape when he's been running a dad bod?
Because maybe the dad bod situation, what they're saying there
is that your focus is more on the family. And
I know that when you do have small kids, you
do put on a bit of weight because you don't

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really have the time to go to the gym and
all those kind of things. And also you're eating all
the kids' leftovers. So you're cooking up all kinds of
kid food. They sometimes have one nugget, and then hiff
the rest of the food across the room. And so
you pick it up and eat it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
As you do. You don't want to waste food. It's
good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
You always find yourself eating the leftovers as you walk
back to the kitchen, a lot of mashed potato and
the stuff. But does that signify that you're in parent mode?

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Yeah, interesting question. I think, Tia, the first theory that
you mentioned about the cheating weight, I actually think that
that holds more water when it comes to the dad bod.
I mean, am I wrong here? It's controversial to say,
but when someone's got a dad bod and they put
on a little bit of weight, it's that comfortable factor
in a relationship that if you're trying to compete with
someone who looks like a god or a goddess, an Adonis,

(01:23:37):
I mean, I think it becomes a little bit uncomfortable
for that other person that may not feel like they
live up to their expectation and then start to question,
what are they up to? Why are they looking so good?
Why are they spending so long at the gym? Why
are they buying new clothes? Why have they got new muscles?

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Well, it's the same thing as when you're selling a house, right?
You put a lick of paint on it. You clean
up some of the things that weren't so good. You
mow the lawns.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Get it ready for market.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
You're getting ready for market, right?

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
Whereas if it's a livable situation, then some parts of
the house might slip a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
What do you say? 0800 80 1080. So is it
true that a dad bod is the most attractive male
physique out there?

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Yeah, we need to hear from females on this. 0800
80 1080. Is that what you're after? And we're all
wasting our time getting this amazing, you know, me walking
around looking like an Adonis. It's just a waste of time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Why are you pointing at yourself, mate? 9292 is the
text number. It's 30 past three. 16 past 3, some
new research has come out showing that dad bod is
the most physically attractive male physique according to women out there.
So a dad bod, the definition is a male physique
that is slightly soft or plump around the middle while

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retaining some underlying muscle.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
This text says every woman knows this. Women have never
asked for buff guys. A guy spending that much time
on his body isn't spending his time with you. They're
doing it for themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Is that true? Well, hang on a minute. So I
went to the latest Spider-Man movie, right?

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
With Tom Holland. And there's definitely moments that are put
into that movie just for him to get his shirt
off to show off his physique.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
He's got a good physique.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
And, you know, big name actors, male actors, have to
just be at the gym constantly to get into the shape.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
To be in movies. Who's that for? if it's not
for the ladies.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Well, like this texter says, I'll tell you what, fellas,
when there's a Jason Momoa movie on the box, all
the ladies start acting like teenagers. He's got a great physique,
old Jason Momoa.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
But then again, maybe you want it on the TV.
You want to look at it on the TV. You
don't want to look at it around the house.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Well, what about this text? G'day, guys. I'm female, but
a friend of mine insists she will only date guys
with dad bods because they are less likely to cheat.
Does that mean she's attracted to dad bods? I don't
really know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
But isn't that just– I know it's like eating crap
food because no one else wants it. Is that a
good example? It's not a bad analogy. Yeah, I'm trying
to work– I'll work on my analogy. Julie, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 14 (01:26:20):
Hi, Matt.

Speaker 13 (01:26:21):
Hi, Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
How are you today? So your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (01:26:25):
My thoughts.

Speaker 14 (01:26:26):
Well– My husband of 41 years certainly does not have
a dad's bod. He's got an awesome bod, and he's
always prioritized fitness.

Speaker 6 (01:26:36):
He's got two girls. They're adults now, but had a.

Speaker 14 (01:26:38):
Busy home life with little ones, and he'd get up
at 4 in the morning if he needed to to
get a run.

Speaker 6 (01:26:44):
In or just do a workout at the gym.

Speaker 14 (01:26:48):
He's 65 this last week, and he looks pretty much
the same as he did when I married him. Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
And is that on your insistence or does he do
it for you, Julie, or does he do it for himself?

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
He does it, I think, for us.

Speaker 14 (01:27:04):
As a family, he always prioritised it because obviously the
health side is, you know, the healthier you are, the
longer hopefully you live and, you know, the better dad
you can be and more active. We were older parents,
so it was really, really important to him that he,
you know, maintained the fitness. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
Yeah, that's a really good point because one of the
reasons I think a lot of, men get in shape
is I want to be around to meet my grandkids
and all those kind of things. So a bunch of
people texting and saying running a good bod is just
vanity and they're just staring at themselves in the mirror
at the gym. But being healthy can actually be, as

(01:27:41):
you say, Julie, you're doing it for the family, right?
And the fact that you look awesome is just a
side product of being healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Well, that's right.

Speaker 14 (01:27:50):
I mean, and actually the consequence of those choices, I mean, I,
you know, run and go to the gym as well.

Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
And so do both of my daughters.

Speaker 14 (01:27:57):
So they've prioritized fitness in their life. And, yeah, so
that's sort of an awesome thing to sort of pass down.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Sorry, Julie, does it say more about a male in
this instance that they've got their life together? If they
look good, they go to the gym, they dress well.
When you first met your now husband, did you think,
that guy's got his life together? I like that.

Speaker 14 (01:28:20):
Yeah, he did. I sometimes feel like I've won the
lotto when I wake up in the morning. So I
was very fortunate to have met my husband when I
was 16 and Yeah, he was the one, and he's
just an all-round fun, fit, positive, half-full, solution-focused guy. So, yeah,

(01:28:44):
I've won the jackpot, really.

Speaker 16 (01:28:46):
So, if.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
He started to slack off, he started to, you know,
eat too much cake and stop going to the gym,
and the dead body started to come in, is that
kick to the curb time for you, Julie? Julie, would
he be out the door?

Speaker 14 (01:29:07):
Never, but I'd stop the baking and the desserts and
the family friendly dinner.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Yeah, great call.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
It's a lie.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
That's a successful marriage. Met at 16, been together for,
you know, what did you say, 41 years of marriage,
45 years of marriage?

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Yep, 65 now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Been together for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Still a dreamboat.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Looks after himself, still exercises, no dad bod in sight,
and it's working a treat.

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
So if we've been sold a lie, all this stuff
about dad bods being the most attractive, what do you say?

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Let's get some honesty. Is that just what people want
to hear?

Speaker 8 (01:29:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
0800 8010 80 is the number to call and 9292
is the text number. It's 21 past three.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Call 0800 80 1080
on Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
23 past 3, so there's grown research that claims that
the idea of a dad bod is the most attractive
when it comes to women. Is that really true or
are we being sold a lie here? 0800 80 1080
is that number to call and 9292 is the text.
Plenty of good texts coming through.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
This one says, every boyfriend I have had has been
an a-hole. The less attractive guys have always put my
interests first. My current man is in quite incredible shape,
and he is a bit of an a-hole, to be honest.
Sometimes I wish I'd stayed with the last one who

(01:30:34):
was pudgy, but very nice to me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
Can we forward that one to some kind of psychiatrist?

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
There's a lot of issues going on there.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
So if you like the one, why a new one?
So it seems like you're going through, you're not learning
any lessons here. But also, it's not about being less attractive.
That's not what we're saying. Every cut boyfriend I have
has been an a-hole. The less attractive guys have always
had my interests first. My current man is, so this

(01:31:07):
current man is obviously looking pretty good, working out, six pack,
and he's a bit of an a-hole.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
So why did she leave the non-a-hole? There's no explanation there.
So she went a-hole. A guy that you really got
on with that was a little bit pudgy around the
middle and then straight back to six-pack a-hole.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
There's something missing in the middle there.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
Yeah. And also, if you're going with someone and you
describe them as a bit of a a-hole, to be honest,
then move on.

Speaker 6 (01:31:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
That's not a good foundation for a relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
Like if I described my partner like that. She's all over.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
It's all over.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
Sometimes I wish I'd stayed with the last one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Thank you very much for that text.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
We're definitely forwarding that to someone.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
We'll give you the help you need.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
You need to talk to someone.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
Yeah, we're going to sort you out. Sandy, how are you?

Speaker 7 (01:32:02):
Good, mate. How are you, boys?

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Very good. So what do you reckon about the dad bod?

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
So a couple of stories, a couple of theories on that.
I think in some ways that's a lie. I think
the dad bod probably rates the woman because I feel
a bit more secure with him. He's not going to
get too many women hitting on him and wandering. Almost
like settling, if that's a term to use for you.

(01:32:30):
I've lived it. I was a bit pudgy when I
was young, my 20s. And then I got an incredibly
physical job and the weight melted off me. And all
of a sudden I was really cut.

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
So I wasn't big.

Speaker 7 (01:32:42):
I was just really defined and cut and Jesus, did
my world change when all of a sudden the muscles appeared?
The woman became very shallow and just sort of talking
to your six-pack and chest and not to your face.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Wow, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:32:56):
Yeah, it was like, so, yeah, been that, done that,
bought the T-shirt. I mean, so now my six-pack's gone
to more of a keg, but been happily married now
for 25 years.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
Do you ever want to fire up the six-pack again
for the missus?

Speaker 7 (01:33:13):
I am, actually. And there's a twofold to that. One,
she said she'd like to see it again. And two,
I've got the type 2 diabetes, and now that I've
started exercising and going to the gym, my bloods are
coming down through doing, you know, obviously engaging the muscles
and burning your glucose and firing them up. So in

(01:33:34):
my 50s now, I'm not going to get the same
body I had in my 20s, but if I'm thinking
I'm going to be a little bit of a fit granddad,
and my house is good, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
Going to be a bonus, right?

Speaker 7 (01:33:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
I mean, probably far more important to your wife than
the six-pack is you being around.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (01:33:51):
Another little quick story for you. Do you remember the
Twilight movies with the vampires and the werewolves?

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 7 (01:33:57):
And you had that werewolf, the hot bod, the werewolf guy.
So we went to Matakana.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
Jacob.

Speaker 7 (01:34:01):
Went to the movies to watch it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:34:03):
Me and the wife were in there at the movies
having wine as you do, a little table, and a
scene came up. And without a word of a lie,
he took his shirt off and you could feel, and
you heard it, this massive gasp through the movie theater
as all the women sucked the oxygen out of the air.
And then I just yell out in a big loud voice, damn.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
That's like looking in the mirror.

Speaker 17 (01:34:25):
Good on you, Sandy.

Speaker 7 (01:34:27):
Thanks for your call. I wonder if Twilight would have
been different if she'd had three options.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
What's the lead actress's name?

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Kirsten Stewart.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
Yeah, no, but what's the, Bella?

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Bella, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
So if she'd had three options, she'd had the skinny,
brooding vampire type played by Edward. Then you've got the buff,
animalistic Jacob. And then you had some kind of part warthog,
doughy kind of cuddly bear type other character. And she
was picking between three of them. then I wonder what.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
You'd go option three, wouldn't you?

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Because she ended up, you know, just not going with Jacob.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
She had some problems.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
He wasn't as rich.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Yeah, he was a bit pale as well. Oh, 880,
1080 is the number to call. So what do you
reckon about the theory on dad bods? More and more
research is coming out saying it is the most attractive.
Is that really true? Have we been sold a lie here?
Tell us what you think it is. 28 past three.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
Dad bod is okay if you're clean and smell nice.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
I mean, whatever you're doing, stinky ain't good.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
That's good advice for life, 29 past three.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
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at nzherald.co.nz. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Thank you very much, Raylene. So we're talking about the
idea of a dad bod. There is new and emerging
research that claims that the dad bod, so this is
the idea of the chubby middle, a little bit of
muscle but not too much, is the ultimate male physique
when it comes to attractiveness for women. What do you reckon?
0800 80 10 80 is that number to call and
9292 is the text number.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
There's text there. Hey, Matt, I beat you 20 bucks
that after this topic, Tyler's going to be parked down
a side street smashing a KFC quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
You know me so well.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
In about an hour's time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
I mean, joke's on you. I would have been doing
that anyway, even if we didn't do this topic.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
Yeah, because as this texter said, so women are out
there doing Pilates, skincare, counting protein, and fighting for our lives. Meanwhile,
men just went, actually, bellies are hot now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Excuse me.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Can women get in on this deal too? Actually, though, texter, the...
The scientists that's saying this, and look, we all look
at these endless studies that get put through punishing podcasts
like Diary of the CEO. They've always got to have
something every week. It's endless. If you actually tracked everything
that's been pushed on that show, it would basically contradict

(01:38:03):
itself in ever-ending spirals to hell. But it was a
woman that was saying that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
That in studies. But then again, I always think about
this because– You know, what people say in a study
and what they actually mean might be two different things, right?

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
Because you often say in a study what you think
is the right thing to say.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
And, you know, if you're asked in a study, oh,
what do you think? You go, well, you know, actually,
I'm not superficial. I like the dad bod. I'm not
just going for the Tom Holland bod. That's not what
I'm into. You know, I don't need an Iron Man.
I mean, I don't need a Captain America, a Chris Evans,

(01:38:45):
you know. But is that what you really mean?

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
They're lying.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
They're lying.

Speaker 8 (01:38:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
0800 8010 80 is the number to call and 9292
is the text. This text says, G'day guys, the wife
and I have an unspoken agreement. We both stay in
shape for ourselves, but probably to keep ourselves looking attractive
for each other. Also, I just feel better when I'm
in shape. Confidence plus testosterone equals winning combination. And this
one says, guys, I cannot think of a single movie

(01:39:14):
where Jack Black got the lady from Brian. Um, Shallow Hell?

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
Shallow Hell.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Yeah. He got all the ladies in Shallow Hell.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
But that was for a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
Holiday. The Holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
That's right. Was that Cameron Diaz or was that Kate Winslet?

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
No, no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
That was Kate Winslet. Yeah, that's right. Yes. So Jack
Black does get the lady every now and then.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
He's very funny and that goes a long way. Great
sense of humour.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
Well, it's funny, stronger. What's the saying? If you can
make a lady laugh, you can kiss her.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Scott Galloway.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:39:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Is that true?

Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Oh, 880-1080 is that number to call. Velda, what's your
view about this?

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Is that a call I can answer?

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Oh, we might just have to drag her across there, Andrew.
There we go. Velda, got you now.

Speaker 6 (01:40:04):
Good afternoon, Matt and Tyler from Westport, South Island.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
Ah, good on you.

Speaker 6 (01:40:10):
I'm just ringing up about my husband, Morris. Yeah, he's been...
He's slim and trim since the day I married him.
And the only workout he does at 82 is caretaker
at one of our local schools and all the odd

(01:40:32):
jobs he does around the town. I'll say the town
because he does several things for several people. He eats
chocolate like no tomorrow and never puts on an ounce.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
So Morris has got a rocking bod at 82. It's
dead right, yeah. What are we talking here? We're talking guns?
Is it a gun show?

Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
Absent, no, he's got the gun show.

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
He's a fantastic dancer.

Speaker 5 (01:41:03):
Oh, yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
Smooth.

Speaker 6 (01:41:05):
And probably got many that's jealous of that.

Speaker 9 (01:41:08):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Good thighs? Is he strong in the lower body? Strong
in the lower body?

Speaker 5 (01:41:13):
Glutes?

Speaker 7 (01:41:14):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
He is.

Speaker 5 (01:41:17):
Morris.

Speaker 6 (01:41:18):
I can get him to pull out a tree or
dig a trench, no problem at all.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
And, you know, is he, generally speaking, a dream boat?
You know, is he, how do I put this? Is
he a handsome man as well as having a rocking bod?

Speaker 6 (01:41:36):
He is a very handsome man.

Speaker 5 (01:41:38):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:41:39):
He's probably.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
Well, well done.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Well done for you, Valda.

Speaker 6 (01:41:44):
Yeah, I know. 58, been together for 65 years.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
And are you keeping yourself in shape for Morris?

Speaker 6 (01:41:54):
Yes, definitely. I have to run to keep up to him.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
And if Morris let it all go, if he suddenly
turned up with a dad bod, would you kick him
to the curb?

Speaker 6 (01:42:08):
Oh, I don't know about that. He doesn't know I've
rung and he's sort of laughing in the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
He's a good man.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
He's a good man.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
I'm just picturing this Adonis just sitting in the corner laughing.

Speaker 6 (01:42:23):
And a very romantic man, may I say, as well.

Speaker 5 (01:42:27):
Does he?

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
What does he do on the romantic side, Velda?

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
Oh, lots of cuddles, I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
That's important.

Speaker 6 (01:42:34):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
That's important.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
And so is he, would you describe him closer to
Brad Pitt or Jason Momoa?

Speaker 6 (01:42:47):
Oh, I don't know the other person, so I'm going
to say Brad Pitt.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
He's a bit of a Brad Pitt.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
That roguish good look.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
I was picturing Henry Cavill when you were talking about Morris,
but thank you so much for your call. Isn't that 82? Yep.
And all it takes is doing a bit of work
around town. and doing the groundskeeping at the school.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
The weapon of Westport, Morris.

Speaker 5 (01:43:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
How good. Felder, thank you very much for your phone call.
And congratulations as well. Morris sounds like a hell of
a catch.

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
Have you got a Morris?

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
0800 80 1080.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
Just an absolute weapon of a human being at 82.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
Is that the secret to a good marriage? Tell us
about it. 9292 is the text number. It is 21
to 4. We'll be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Very good afternoon to you. It is 18 to 4,
and we've been talking about dad bods. There's more and
more research coming out that claims that women find that
the most attractive male physique, but we're getting a lot
of pushback on the text machine 9292, but want to
hear from you, 0800 80 1080. This text says, guys,
people need to understand what a woman considers a dad bod.

(01:44:04):
That is, a semi-fit guy that doesn't have time to
work out anymore because he's busy being a dad, like
Jason Momoa in between movies, or even Leo when not filming.
Fat guys misuse dad bod the same way obese women
misuse curvy. That's slightly controversial.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Right, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
This one says, for me, yes, dad bod all the way.
There's something about the cuddles late at night and the
comfort of having someone that is not overly obsessed with
how they look. I've dated men with abs in the past,
and I agree with a texter that came, that text
through not so long ago, saying a lot of those
guys are a-holes.

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:44:45):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Yeah. Did you know that, did you mention that Valder
and Morris are famous in Westport? Morris of the rocking bod.
Amazing dancers and very lovely people.

Speaker 16 (01:44:55):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
She was telling the truth. Well-known in Westport, Valdez and
Morris for the win.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
Yeah. And if that takes back and confirm that Morris
is more of a Brad Pitt than a Jason Momoa. Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
A couple more texts, then we'll move on for this one. Guys,
I'd kill for a dad bod. Left that behind some
years ago. Moving to a granddad bod, which in itself
can be a problem at the beach. Getting sick of
vest-wearing buggers. Holding me in the shallows, waiting for the
tide to turn while pouring buckets of water on me,
singing Kumbaya. Sorry to hear about that. This one here, guys.

(01:45:30):
I'm 55 years old. I'd ditch my hubby for Morris
of Westport.

Speaker 5 (01:45:34):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
This could be bad for Velda.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Yeah, Fowler's pretty happy.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
Now Morris is on the market. Everyone's coming for Morris.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Yeah. Great discussion. Thank you to everybody who text through
and gave us a call on that one. I think
it's pretty clear to say that research is rubbish. Women
might say that they like a dad bodge, but when
they're really truthfully honest, I think they just want a
guy in shape or someone like Morris.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
Yeah, we haven't heard from a lot of people that
are backing up this.

Speaker 16 (01:46:04):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
And that woman was getting a lot of her information
from tamarind monkeys as well.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
I think that there is a problem that we've got now,
and it's the demand for studies to fill all the
content that needs to get out there, and we're guilty
of it as well because we've believed the study for
a chat, haven't we?

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
That is true. Yeah, we've used it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
But what's she talking about? So, you know, and how
do you isolate that variable?

Speaker 17 (01:46:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
Between whether you like someone because they're funny, intelligent, or caring,
or provide for you, as opposed to their bod, right?

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
I mean, you know, if you've got an incredibly good-looking
guy who is smoking meth, has she factored that in?

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Yeah, the balance is a bit outweighed one direction there, yeah.
Very good. Thank you very much for all your texts
and your phone calls.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
Hey, you know, yesterday we were talking about AI, Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
And I got a bit emotional, and I started ranting
and raving about AI and music.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
You got very passionate, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
Yeah, very passionate. And to the point where I said
some nasty things about some IT people. I said that
all they do is turn your computer on and off
and then shove Copilot up your ass and then try
and claim that they're– Amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
I think that was verbatim.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
But that was because I was getting some abuse from
IT people that were saying that I didn't understand AI.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Yeah, you're pushing back.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
So anyway, I put myself out there to the huge
ZB audience really rallying against AI. And then last night
I put this post up, right?

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
On my Instagram at MattHeathNZ, right?

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
I put it up there and it was just talking
about this run I'm doing, the Emerson's half run. Marathon
in Dunedin on the 13th of September. If you want
to run with me, then sign up to Beat Heath
as a team, and Beat Heath, one word's all caps,
will get you 25% off if you join my team.

Speaker 5 (01:48:03):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
It's a buy-buy.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
It's a good deal.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
And you can win a price. But that's not what
I'm talking about here. And so I put up this post,
and it Instagram tagged it as being AI generated.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
I'm having a look at it right now.

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
So, and cause I saw this last night and I
was going to teach.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
You about it. And then immediately as soon as it
went up and I don't really love putting up a post. Um, so,
so Tracy was working on it with me.

Speaker 8 (01:48:27):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Uh, because you know, when you're trying to get some
messaging off on a post and this one is, you know, um,
pushing people towards, um, signing up for the marathon. So
it was kind of a complicated post to put up.

Speaker 8 (01:48:37):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
And then immediately people just firing through on my DMs going, AI, hypocrite.
This is AI, hypocrite, hypocrite, hypocrite. And there was a way,
but it wasn't AI. What it was was because I
took a picture of me running the Devonport marathon and
then using Adobe Photoshop, I changed, I just put a

(01:48:59):
picture of the Dunedin marathon on my T-shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
I'm looking at it. It's good Photoshop, I've got to say.
That's that first photo right there. So you can go
have a look at it at Matt Heath NZ.

Speaker 4 (01:49:10):
So when they're signifying that as AI, are they just
spotting that it is an altered image? Or is it
the case that Adobe has so much AI infused in
it that now what you thought you were just doing
back in the day, which was a little simple cut
and paste with a bit of a blur and a

(01:49:31):
And lowering the opacity and all those kind of things
that you used to do. Is that just so infused
with the AI that the image becomes AI and it
re-scans the whole thing or something?

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
It must be, because as I said to you this
morning when we talked about it, so it says AI
content on the top of your post, but there's someone
else that we know. I'm not going to name names,
but they put up a lovely post of their fiancé' s birthday.
And it was just normal photos of them doing lovely things.
And same deal. Then it popped up saying AI content.
And I was looking at those photos and saying, hang
on a minute. There's nothing AI about those particular photos.

(01:50:04):
So maybe if you airbrush it a little bit or
you run it through a program.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
I was airbrushing myself. Look at that. Look at my face.
That is like a handbag that's been left out in
the rain, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
You sure you didn't Photoshop that a little bit? I mean, no.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
All it is is that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
Why is there no wrinkles on the forehead?

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
Well, there's no wrinkles on my forehead now.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
You look very good in that photo, mate. I'm just
going to say. That's a great photo of you.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
Yeah. But, yeah, so just a little change is enough
for it to be significant. But good on Instagram, right?

Speaker 9 (01:50:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
For calling out AI content.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
Even if the filter goes so wide, it might catch
some people that aren't AI-ing. It's good that they're trying
to shame people that are.

Speaker 17 (01:50:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:50:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
And maybe it is a bit cheeky for me because
I just wanted to put the Dunedin Marathon on my
shirt to– when it was a different one than I'm running,
half marathon in Devonport. So maybe that does need to be,
even if it is just by Photoshop, but maybe that
does need to be called out because that isn't a
real photo.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Yeah, but is that AI? Because that's your question, right?
That if you Photoshop something and you've done it for
promotional purposes there because you're running the Dunedin Marathon and
you didn't have a T-shirt to say Dunedin Marathon on it.
But I mean, that's not putting it into chat GPT
and saying, can you half marathon? Good to clarify that. Yeah,
make sure that's just the half.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
Well, we're being honest.

Speaker 8 (01:51:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
I mean, you know, is that truly AI content? But that's, yeah,
like you say, that's why I'm torn because I think
fantastic Instagram and Meta are taking the bull by the
horns and saying anything that we think has been doctored,
we're going to flag as AI content.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
Yeah, but I kind of like it. I kind of
like that you should know that something isn't.

Speaker 5 (01:51:45):
Real. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:46):
Even if it's just changing the T-shirts.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
If this has happened to you, 0800 80 1080 or 9292,
send us a text, actually, because more and more it
seems to be popping up. Have you had this happen
to you when you've posted it on social media and
it's been flagged as AI content?

Speaker 4 (01:51:59):
This text just said I saw that post, and I
did think hypocrite, Matt. So thanks for clearing it up.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
Yep, there we go. All right, good to get that
out there. Right, back very shortly. It is nine minutes
to four.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
The big stories. The big issues. The big trends. And

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Newstalk ZB. It is seven minutes to four. Now, a
significant story that has happened in Nepal. Obviously, there's going
to be more on it later in the afternoon. But
just to give you an update, I mean, it is,
if you've seen that footage, it is horrific, terrifying. The
flood that looked to have been caused by an avalanche.

(01:52:40):
through the streets in Nepal. So five Kiwis are still
reportedly missing after those deadly floods swept through, killing at
least 160 people, as we know, with hundreds more still missing.
So Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters says the ministry
is in contact with those Nepali authorities. They do know
the names of Of those missing New Zealanders, Prime Minister

(01:53:01):
Christopher Luxon has also shared his condolences with those impacted
by the flood. So about 403 tourists, including 341 foreigners,
were unaccounted for several hours after the disaster struck. And
New Zealanders in Nepal should also let their family and
friends know that they are safe when they are able
to do so, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade

(01:53:21):
has said. And New Zealanders requiring urgent consular assistance can
call the 24-7 consular emergency line. So if you've got
friends and family over there and you can get a
hold of them, that number is plus 6499 2020 20.
But the New Zealand and Nepal society will hold a
candlelight vigil for the victims and in Auckland at Altair

(01:53:43):
Square at 4 o'clock on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
Some of that footage is just so incredibly terrifying, the
CCTV footage of, just the flash floods absolutely smashing into
a car park and buses just being thrown around like
they are nothing. It is so, it's terrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
It is, yeah. It is unreal what has happened in Nepal.
So praying for those missing New Zealanders and everybody else
missing in those floods, but there will be more on
that with Heather and later on in the program as well.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Yeah, all right. Well, that's the end of the show.
Thank you so much for listening and thank you for
all your calls and texts. Heather Duplessy-Allen is up next.
And after 4pm, the CEO of New Zealand Post on
how they've posted a profit after years of their business
model crumbling. Good on you, New Zealand Post. But right now, Tyler,

(01:54:38):
my good friend, why am I playing this song by
American alternative rock band The White Stripes from their album
White Blood Cells from 2002?

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
I have no idea. I really like this song, though.

Speaker 16 (01:54:50):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
It's just a calming, beautiful, lovely song. What's the name
of the title?

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
We're Going to Be Friends. It's because it tells the
story of meeting a new friend at the beginning of
the school year.

Speaker 8 (01:55:03):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
And we were talking earlier in the show with some
of these big schools in New Zealand blowing out with
their in-zone registrations like Mags in Auckland.

Speaker 16 (01:55:13):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
How daunting it is to start at a new school
when you're just a little kid.

Speaker 5 (01:55:19):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
So it couldn't be a more perfect song, could it?

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
What a beautiful choice.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
All right, you seem busy, we'll let you go. I'm
Matt Heath, that's Tyler Adams, and we'll be back live
on your radio tomorrow afternoon. Until then, give them a
taste of Kiwi.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
We don't notice anything.

Speaker 17 (01:55:38):
We sit side by side in every class Teacher thinks
that I sound funny But she likes the way you
sing Tonight I'll dream while I'm in bed When silly
thoughts go through my head About the bugs and alphabet
When I wake tomorrow I'll bet.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
That you and I will walk together again.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
I can tell.

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
That we are going to be friends.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
I can tell that

Speaker 11 (01:56:08):
We are going to be friends.

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