Full Show Podcast: 27 May 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Talk sed B Afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday show.
Really good to have your company. Hope you're having a
great day if you're listening in this beautiful country of ours.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Good news everybody. It's Wednesday. So another edition of my
favorite show, Another episode of Widow's Bay is out today.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Oh Man.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
On the American comedy horror television series I guess this
is episode five coming up, I believe, so yeah, yeah,
So if you haven't watched it, we've been going on
a bet about it on the show. It's sort of
a Stephen Kingish show, not written by Stephen King, but
it's Stephen Kingish set on an island in New England.
We're terrifying and weird things are happening, particularly to the mayor. Yes, yeah,

(01:07):
such a great show starring Matthew Grease. But it's great.
As I said last week, it comes out every week,
so you spent a whole week sort of gest stating
on the last episode and it's just such a such
a good show on Apple TV.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Very trippy episode last week. Yeah, literally literally trippy, and man,
there's been some doozy So looking forward to that tonight.
If you haven't seen it, go check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
There's another show that it's not similar, but I guess
it is in a way that I'm enjoying as well.
On Netflix. Have you watched any of The Burrows?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
I'm about three episodes into The Burrows, which is set
in a retirement village, a really really flashed retirement village.
It's got Bill Pullman in it, great actor and Geena Davis.
But weird, weird stuff is happening in the Burrows.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I've just had a look at the At the blurb.
In a seemingly picturesque retirement community, a group of unlikely
heroes must band together to stop an otherworldly threat from
stealing the one thing they don't have time O otherworldly
that's what we blurbers on IMDb.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Right, that's a bit of a spoiler. Good show, good
show so far.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Love a good mystery, yeah, love a good mystery, sort.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Of a sci fi mystery. This sort of a cross
between it's sort of got a twilight Zone mixed with
cocoon mixed with et kind of vote.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh, it's got a great cast. I'm just going to
look at the cast now, all right, there you go
check out Widow's Bay on tonight's the latest episode, and
also the Burrows looks fantastic. Right on to today's show.
It is a doozy for you because it is a
Wednesday after three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, on Monday, Tuesday rubber shows and Thursday Friday, but
Wednesday we try and bring a doozy.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
We actually start to hum up at about this point
in the week. So after three o'clock should trade these
limber up before getting on the tools. As we all know,
construction trade work involves heavy lists, a lifting, repetitive strains,
sudden exertion. Yet walnut routines are not commonly part of
the culture, so experts are suggesting that simple pre workout,
stretching and mobility exercises should be a part of a

(03:10):
trade's day.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
So I've got a builder working on my house, A
bunch of builders actually and plumbers and such put in
together my renovation, and I've just texted one of them,
have you ever seen a trade stretched like an athlete
for the start of work, And I've got the three dots.
So he's about to answer.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Okay, this is going to be good.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
So we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
You know, I'm looking forward to that reply. The suspense
is killing me, but that is going to be a
great jet after three o'clock. After two o'clock, the owner
of the Black Dog tavern in Makotuku that's in the
Monter with two he is facing the possibility of losing
his liquor license after an incident where a twenty one
year old was allowed to drink from a yard glass
at the venue. Clearly, I mean I shouldn't have used
the word incident. He was celebrating his twenty first had

(03:52):
a yardie and now licensing authorities are reviewing the breach
of alcohol services and he may lose the ability to
serve boosts because of that.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I've just heard back from a builder. Okay, we worked
for the CRL train tunnels. Every morning before the start
of work, they would make everyone do a prestart group stretch. Oh,
there you go, so it happened.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
They we're leading the charge on the old CRL.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, maybe this is where the CRL blew out in
cost here. But further to what you're talking about the
yard glass? Are there some things that should be grandfathered in?
The yard glass is a New Zealand tradition. It's a
right of passage. Smashing a yard glass every day? A
yard e every day? Not a great idea. And you know,
having a yard glass on your drinks list probably not

(04:35):
if you're serving them as a stock, probably not a
good yes. But do you really want to punish a
bar for doing something that nearly everyone expects to do
in their life when they turn twenty one? It's a yardy?
Just have some leniency and common sense. So if you're
going in and hastling a bar for a yardy, just
step back and go. Isn't that a ride of passage

(04:56):
for most New Zealanders? And maybe this isn't the biggest
issue in the world, and maybe we just ignore that one.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Looking forward to your thoughts on that after two o'clock
is right now we want to discuss MP's pay and entitlements.
There's a striking headline and the papers today and the
airline is power pies, crayfish and one thousand dollars a
week for your mortgage free apartment. It is nice to
be an MP. So the article argues that the MP's
continue to receive generous perks that feel out of step

(05:22):
with what many New Zealanders are experiencing, particularly focuses in
on Social Development Minister Louise Upston and accommodation allowances, as
well as the upcoming MP's pay rise of around two
percent in July. And as most of us know, those
pay rates and entitlements aren't actually set by MPs themselves.
They're set by an independent body called the Remuneration Authority.

(05:43):
But the question we'll go for you as do you
think it would be nice to be an MP? But
are these entitled?

Speaker 6 (05:48):
Man?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's quite a headline. Power pies, crayfish and one thousand
dollars a week for your mortgage free apartment. It's nice
to be an MP. I think it's probably pretty punishing
to be an MP. I think it's a pretty tough,
brutal job with just horrible public scrutiny all the time,
long hours, punishing reading a power pie. That's interesting to
bring up because I think that people are saying through

(06:11):
that that was a fifteen dollar power pie. So where
someone says where they where they saw it? The power pie? Yeah, Hi,
Matt and Tyler Nathier from footage on the news last
night of the MP's eating the pies. They were at
Pukou Pies, Pookoo Pies and Kai power Pies. There cost
fifteen dollars.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Fair enough, that's the cost of a cafe pie, right, Yeah,
and as I was thinking of a BP pie, but
this is a step up.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, but it's hardly a bar, you know, bathing in
caviat is it?

Speaker 7 (06:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
There's no gold leaf on top of the power pie.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
And the crayfish was a gift Shane Jones. So the
power pies and crayfish sort of good to raise them.
I don't even know why they're in the headline. Yeah,
who cares? Who cares about a fifteen dollar power pie
and a free crayfish? A thousand dollars a week for
your mortgage free apartment? I mean, who cares that it's
mortgage free? I mean, are you okay with one thousand
dollars a week allowances for people when they're working in Wellington?

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't know, because I mean it would be just
on that one, it would be or would it be different?
If they that particular MP sold that apartment and then
rented and still claim that allowance, would people still have
the same problem with it because it's the same allowance, right,
It's just a different circumstance. So whether that would be
the case? Nine two nine two? Can you hear what
you say?

Speaker 5 (07:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Because for me, compared to the jobs most of us do,
MP is more important and stressful job. It's more important
and more stressful than what I do. Being an MP
is a huge amount of responsibility, punishingly long hours, brutal
public scrutiny, and maintaining two lives, many of them maintaining
two lives away from their families in Wellington and an

(07:49):
electric plus. Unlike you and I, they managed to rise
to the level of being an MP. You know, yep,
if you want to do it, you can go for it.
But it isn't easy to get to that level, is it.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Maybe if you're on the RC the end of a
of the list, Yeah, these exceptions, it's easier.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah. Or to win a seat and to try and
get the people to vote you in. That's a big campaign.
You've got to put a lot on the line. There's
going to be people looking into your history, and then
once you get to that position, you start off on
what is it, one hundred and seventy seven thousands, and
you get some entitlements, but then the workload and the
public scrutiny you face after that.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Ordinary MP one hundred and sixty three a year moving
up to one hundred and eighty one expected from July.
Cabinet minister will likely be three hundred and twenty seven thousand,
Prime minister likely five hundred and twenty and a slit
committee chair one hundred and seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Right, okay, so what do you say on this? I mean,
is the entitlements that MPs get and their salary is
that a fair remuneration for the level of work that
they do? And just on that headline, do you think
it would be nice to be an MP with all
that you know of what goes on behind the scenes?
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call
a nine? Two ninety two is the text? Can you

(09:07):
get your thoughts on? This is going to be a
great conversation. It is fifteen quarter past one, will be
back for shortly.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Be say, eighteen past one. So we're talking about entitlements
and pay for MPs on the back of a headline
and stuff. And here it is Powerpie's crayfish in one
thousand dollars a week for your mortgage free apartment. It's
nice to be an MP. Mike Costking on a show
this morning he talked about that very article and his
thoughts on that, and here it is.

Speaker 8 (09:40):
Now I'm sad that we're having yet again these boring discussions.
When you work for somebody and you have to work
away from your home, your accommodation is covered.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's as simple as that.

Speaker 8 (09:50):
Now she happens to own an apartment apparently in Wellington's
mortgage free, but she still claims the allowance. Now, why
is the fact that it's mortgage free suddenly a problem?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
So what is that?

Speaker 8 (10:01):
What is the suggestion in the headline one that these
politicians are all far too rich, far too well paid.
And if you happen to have paid off your mortgage
then and you can't have an allowance. So you can
only have an allowance if you're some poor person who
ends up being an MP and you need the allowance.
Is that what we're saying, Because an allowance is an allowances.
An allowance is an allowance. You either get a taxi

(10:21):
chip to come to work or you don't. They don't
then go, hey, look, because you're on a slightly higher salary,
I'm only going to give you grab a seat, whereas
the other people are on the lower salary can have
the full fair. I mean, this is just stupidity writ large.
And of course this business of it's nice to be
an MP, it's not nice to be an MP. For
a person who's dealt with MPs for about forty years,
it's a miserable life.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
And men, he respects.

Speaker 8 (10:41):
You're away from home a lot of the time, you're
doing an untold amount of travel, and they're grossly underpaid
at the best of times. And the least we can
do is support them in a bit of accommodation and travel.
What a petty, pathetic little headline. And in that is
everything that's wrong with the media in this country. Not
enough positivity, too much misery.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I've got that exact piece of paper that he because
I'm sitting in my costing city here you do. This
is the exact but a paper that he's screwed up.
At the end of that.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I wonder what he says on it. Beautifully done, mate,
you've done that before. That's a master.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
How does he get that big sound into the bin?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, he's the master at that and that, man, it
sounds good. Oh there it is. You've got to get
a full water paper to get that sound effect.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
I've got a put a citrus on my hands. He
also pros a bit of citrus freedom.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
You've got the slice of lemon on you. But speaking
about what he just what you get for putting your
hands in the rubbshmnent exactly speaking about what he just
said there. And he mentioned he's been working with politician
for a long time, which is very true. But every
Wednesday he has the Politics Wednesday Jinny Anderson and Mark Mitchell,
And he asked them, is it nice to be an MP?

Speaker 9 (11:40):
No?

Speaker 8 (11:40):
One would suggest that being a p and an MP
is easy, would they?

Speaker 7 (11:44):
No?

Speaker 10 (11:44):
No, it's you know, I'm not going.

Speaker 11 (11:46):
To say it's a nice job.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
It's long hours, tough.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's surprivised to do the job.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
It is.

Speaker 12 (11:53):
It's demanding, but you know you do it because you
want to get into your public service, and doesn't matter
what part of you from. I've always believed that everyone
that turns up here actually is motivated by the same thing,
and that's trying to do the best thing for us
as a country.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
So there you go, both MP's on different sides of
the I'll say that it is quite a demanding job.
And as Mark Mitchell pointed out, he was magnanimous to
say that most the vast majority get into politics because
they actually want to do good. So what do you say?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
This Texas says Louise Upsonce should be sacked gutting public
services and those who are needy and taking fifty k
for a mortgage free apartment. What does it matter if
it's mortgage free. I do understand where they bring that up.
What a joke. She has been awful for people with
disabilities to date. This is a further kick in the teeth.
How does she look herself in the mirror? She hasn't
yet targeted the worst beneficiary abuser herself and other MP's

(12:42):
and similar situations. That's from owen This texasays Willie Jackson
does exactly the same as Louise Upson, namely, his has
a Wellington property with no mortgage in one hundred percent
takes the same MP rental incitement. Where is the balance?
Guys and the sexes? Who cares they were supporting the
pie shop? Get over it. It's good advertising. You go
the pie shop, Peter, welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (13:04):
And boy, how are you?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Very well?

Speaker 14 (13:06):
Very good all you boys, Because I'm an old fart
so you've probably some I got sounds older than you guys,
But anyway, that's a different story. First thing, First thing up,
That pie shop is mag nedicent. I've been there a
couple of three times. The pies are beautiful and I'd
probably pay more money than what they're asking, but they
are lovely pies. Probably the best pie is well, I

(13:28):
wouldn't say the best pies of Warrington was certainly up
there near the top. Anyway, So.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Called cuckoo, Yes that's all I yuk kai, yeah, cuckle ki,
Yeah cool, nice good shout.

Speaker 14 (13:40):
Out and yeah a lovely pie. So really, why don't
have to bring that up? They paid for their own pies.
They didn't pay them. They paid their own pies. And
I haven't just a pie for lunch, big deal.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Anyway, it's someone for having lunch and having a pie
for lunch, Like, is PI power Pie a particularly extravagant lunch?
It's hardly, you know, I let them eat cake moment?

Speaker 13 (14:07):
Is it exactly? Exactly?

Speaker 14 (14:10):
And it's not a great fish pie. Matter of fact,
I'm going to get next time down there, I'm going
to grab a power point because that sounds lovely and
I like parway. I sold it very full, very fully.
My wife was just told me they're very full and
very filly.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Which they are lovely.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Good.

Speaker 14 (14:24):
Yeah, that's the rent on the pie. Okay, So yeah,
a big shout out for the piemakers. Adds for this
issue with the apartment.

Speaker 13 (14:32):
What is she going to do?

Speaker 14 (14:34):
She becomes an MP, he lived elsewhere outside of Wellington,
she gets allowed to travel to Warrington. She obviously got
an investment apartment in Washington, So what do they expected
to do? Sell it so she doesn't have any more
kick the tenants out so that they'd better go and
find somewhere else to live so that she can be
in there when she's down here for three or four
days a week. No longer an investment property, is it?

(14:57):
So you know, what's the big deal? He's entitled to
that allowance, it's built in to her travel and her
total package of allowances. I don't notice you with it? Whatsoe.
I'd rather they come here, pay the money and do
a bloody good job and sort our country up.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
What do you think, Peter about what do you think
of about the pay rises that are coming in? If
we're sort of we're talking about, you know, tightening the
belt and that there's no money to spend, what do
you think about the pay rises? So let's just say
ordinary MPs going from one hundred and sixty three thousand
to about one hundred and eighty one. How do you
feel about that?

Speaker 14 (15:35):
I think perhaps there that could come under a bit
more scrutiny. But what is it two percent or two
and a half percent or something.

Speaker 15 (15:41):
It's not a huge pay rise.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Sneaks all right.

Speaker 14 (15:44):
Yeah, there's a lot of other organizations around the country,
teachers and nursers and doctors who've got a hell of
a lot more than that got at least twice that
it's not more. And so you know, I agree with
what was said this morning was I looked to Mark
Mitchell and Jenny and to Mike. They do do a
job that a lot of other people would not be

(16:05):
anywhere near capable of doing one. Do you want to
do it for the hours? And if you work out
one hundred and sixty or five one hundred eighty five
thousand dollars a year and look at the amount of
time they spend in the job from day to day.
I mean you're looking at our Prime minister. You see
them on tvquite on the weekends. He's attending things, he's
out at functions, he's out at events, you know. I

(16:26):
mean a lot of time has sped away from home
and they're going to be compensated for that.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, And it has to be pointed out the MP
salaries and allowances are determined by the Independent Renuneration Authority.
They're not they're not deciding it themselves. Would you want
to be a MP, Peter?

Speaker 14 (16:44):
I think I think I'd get too annoyed that, you know,
when you when you see them in Parliament at question
time and and and the and the way they attack
each other. I don't know if I could sit down
and take that, I think i'd I don't even know
if I could do it.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I was thinking about this, Peter. If you've been in
a workplace or you talk to someone about the workplace,
and he goes, oh, I was too political in that workplace,
so I couldn't hand anymore being in politics. Literally it
is politics. It's literally a political workplaces. It's the it's
the definition of the worst kind of workplace pretty much too.

Speaker 14 (17:19):
And they bully each other and they call each other names,
and you know, they like they like kids, well not
even like kids in the kindergarten. But yeah, my wife
just said I'd lose my call.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
You've got a good woman there, Peter.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Well think if your call, Peter, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Just quickly. On the on the salary, I actually can
see the argument because I think entitlements are very different.
No one out there is saying that Kiwi's doing it
tough at the moment should lose their entitlements. But what
some businesses are looking to do is tightening their belts
and saying, if you do get a pay rise, it's
going to be a lot smaller than usual, and that's
fair enough. So then when you look at the salary
that they get, and I know they don't sit it themselves,

(17:57):
but for some of them to stand up and say,
you know what, we don't need that extra two percent,
and we're going to stand up here as leaders and
perhaps give that money back to check already. I don't know,
but you can see virtue signal that would be you
wouldn't buy it, no, just got you give you money
back like that.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
You go into a job that's the pay right, and
you know that that it is decided by the Independent
Renumeration Authority. So when you go into the job, it's
got the set pay that you're going to get, and
it's going to get the allowances that are locked down.
So that's what you go in. I mean, what don't
you give You know, if the optics are so important

(18:36):
and we're in such a difficult time, you could give
some money away, which should all of us have money?
Give some money away?

Speaker 16 (18:40):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
I didn't get politicians have a very very tough job.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I'm not trying to get elected though necessarily.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
And I don't believe this idea, this text here, it's
about optics. PMS should be reimbursed for the cost, not
some arbitrary figure. Government is asking the poorest of the
poor to help the poor, but takes one thousand a
week MP. Perks need to be looked out across the board.
I hate the argument of optics or how it looks.
Why don't we just argue the logic of it? How
it looks? That's just virtue signaling. So if you can't

(19:08):
instantly worried, how does this look? How is this going
to be perceived?

Speaker 17 (19:11):
Now?

Speaker 3 (19:11):
What is the logical argument for or against something? Who
care's what it looks like?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But doesn't politics different because it is a pr game
and you, yep, fair enough. You can look at that
and say you'll be in an inauthentic virtue signaling dickhead,
and a lot of people would think that way. But
the reality of politics is they're going to try and
get as many people across the board as possible. So
whether it's genuine, I mean people will make that assumption,
but whether that will see more people look at them
and say, oh, he's actually a decent person or she's

(19:36):
a decent person. I mean, you could call it trickery
or is it cleverness?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
The uptics only work one way, though, So you don't
mind the people on your side that you support getting
the allowances, but judging by the text machine, you've got
a problem with the people you don't. So on one side,
people are angry at Louise Upstin. On the other side,
people are angry at Willie Jackson yep for what they
get very trut and they're getting the same thing. It's
the same thing for both of them. Yes, people just
want to be angry at politicians.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
There is a lot of ad What do you say?
Nine two nine two is the text? One hundred and
eighty ten eighties and number to call it as twenty
nine past one yourself.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Think it's the Mic Hosking breakfast tech trill.

Speaker 8 (20:11):
They've been about the place. Turns out it's part of
a three and a half million dollar campaign by the EECA.
Marcus Pellner is the chief executive at that particular organization.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
Now haveing people to.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Change their behaviors.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
We're both giving them options and choices.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
We want people to drive to work.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
Got mixed messages here, Marcus. Do we want people on
the bus or we want them driving to work.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
We want to grow the economy, Okay, we want to do.

Speaker 14 (20:30):
It in an efficient way.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
The fifteen million that you alleged we saved, how much
of that was actually said because it cost too much
and therefore I bought less versus your campaign? And how
do you know, I can't give you that kind of number,
but we are confident that it is saving people after
twenty percent if they do all the tip back Tomorrow
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Speaker 2 (20:52):
Twenty nine to two. So our MP's entitlements and in
pay fear O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call A nineteen nine two is the
text Plenty of texts coming through on nineteen nine two.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
This is a very good point. One sixty one eighty
is over ten percent. Not sure why you're saying two percent.
That's good point. I just mean you to bring that up. Yeah,
you use saying two percent.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
It was two percent across the board, so in total,
but some some of those MPs will get him more.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, hang on a minute, is it because like so
ordinary m P GOO one six three to one eighty,
Kevin Minister going to two hundred and ninety six to
three to two seven, Primise going from four seventy one
to five twenty h four to nine eight to five twenty. Yeah,
we'll work out percentage of that, but it's more than
two percent.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, right, we'll do some mess on that one. But
keep those teams coming through a nine two nine two,
keep us honest. Yeah, some great ones coming through here.
This one says Giday. Guys, I think the politicians deserve
every cent they get, except the one thousand dollars a
week for rent. Why bring up Willie when there's a
lot of MPs that don't live in Wellington year it

(21:59):
doesn't seem right. The pays okay, but the thousand dollars
a week for rent seems a bit much.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I mean, allow if you have to be in Wellington,
so you have to travel outside of where you live,
and then that's the allowance. But you have to have
the allowance across the board, right Yeah, And as I say,
that's that's what it is when you go in corre.
So if that's the allowance, who do you decide who
takes it and who doesn't take it?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, it's got to be universal because that's part of
the contract.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
And my thing is we're a first world country. We're
trying to be. No, we are a first world county.
As prediculous to say we're not. Our politicians can't you know?
We want them staying in good stable places where they
are safe and secure and can rest up and do
their punishing reading at night. We want them to be
living in good accommodation, don't we win They're in Wellington Department.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Don't we We don't want them in social housing as
for sure, a sitting politician and social housing will not
be a good look. But what do you say? Keep
those sixs coming through on nine two ninety two and
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numbered
call And just a heads up, we are going to
be speaking to former Cabinet Minister and MP for ten years,
Steven Joyce and ask him how nice it is to
be an MP. That is coming up. It is twenty

(23:08):
five to do.

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Speaker 3 (24:24):
Co dot zed back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Thank you, Rayleen. It is twenty two to two.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Rochelle SE's first World country. Ba ha haa. You guys
are definitely in your bubble. If you don't think New
Zealand's a first World country, Michelle, you need you're probably
in a bubble. You need to travel.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, we'll go to a second and definitely go to
a third world country, and you see the difference there.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Dan, welcome to show your thoughts on this.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Ah, my thoughts when they get up and say we're
going to take thirty one dollars a week off the
social housing people and give it to landlords. Oh and
by the way, we're getting the nice little rise with
all these pets. How do you think those people who

(25:09):
are losing thirty one dollars a week feel?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Well, it's not not really a fair comparison, isn't it.
But because if you are in social housing right then
you are being generously helped out by the taxpayer because
your life hasn't gone as well as you would have liked.
Whereas the MPs are being paid to do an important,
high power job making decisions on healthcare, defense, infrastructure and welfare. So,

(25:33):
I mean that seems like a false comparison to me.
How much someone's social welfare is getting paid and how
someone and how we renumerate our MPs. And secondly, if
you look into that, isn't the idea that people in
social housing are paying a little bit more so that
money can then go for people that are beneficiaries that
are in private accommodation have have a bit more money.

(25:56):
So you could look at that and say, well, why
would people in social housing get such a better deal
than the beneficiaries that are out in the private market.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Dan, but you've got to remember peace are in social housing.
That's thirty one dollars that going to take going to
take off them is going to bring them in the pocket.
And my other point is that why should the NPS
get all these perks? Why should they? Why are they

(26:28):
entitled to all these perks when the minimum wage here
is twenty three to ninety And I know he but.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
If you're on the minimum rage, you can you can
run for parliament. You can you can sign up and
you can try and get elected and then you could
get the perks. I mean, anyone can run for parliament.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
I'm not too sure about that one. But it was
very good listening to the spokesman for the National Party,
Mike Hosking. I think he is an't he?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
You were listening to me? You enjoy listening? You enjoy
listening to Mike asking.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Oh, the spokesman for the National Party.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, he's a broadcast No, he's the breakfast host on
news talks. He'd be he's not. He doesn't work for
the National Party. He's not spokesman for the National Party. No, Dan,
But I thought.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
He was the spokesman for the National.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
You thought he was the spokesman for the National Party.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, because everything he says is pretty good about National
isn't it.

Speaker 16 (27:30):
Really?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
If you listened to his interviews with the Prime Minister, yes,
I do, they're often quite confrontational. I would definitely if
he was the spokesman for the National Party, I think
the National Party would be finding another spokesperson.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
I don't think that's the case. I just think that that,
you know, one hundred and twenty in peace and then
Nichola Willis gets up and says, oh, we're going to
cut public servants by nine thousand jobs.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
And how do you feel that, I mean so many money.
There's there's a number of public servants that you paid
a lot more than any members of Parliament. How do
you feel about that, Dan, Well.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
I don't think so. I don't think they get.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Well any any job where you have to go to
you know, by virtue of the job, have to operate
and you know, like travel to another town to do
your job. Generally speaking, you you get an allowance to
do that I mean that that's that's not abnormal.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
I think that they should cut that, not the public
servant jobs, but they should have ninety in p's in
Parliament and get rid of rid of a few of
those hangars on.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Across the board.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
I think that I think there could be something in
that one. Dan, I think you'd save a little bit
of money there. So you know, would you get rid
of the list and lest list the mpece.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Absolutely, and by the way, I'll get rid of that
stupid Nikola Willis as well.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
You just get so you get rid of some list
MP's and Nikola Willis absolutely Okay. All right, Well I
guess what, Dan, you get to vote in the election
coming up in November, So I've got an idea which
way your vote will go. Thank you for your call, Dan.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, and you should stand up to be a politician
as well.

Speaker 7 (29:30):
Dan.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
You know you can do it if you want to,
if you want those perks, you can do it. You're
just going to get enough people to vote for you.
Thank you very much for your call.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Though there's so many people that think that New Zealand
is in the first world country.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
You need to travel, yeah, yeah, you know, and go
and see a real third World country.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
And New Zealand is a second World country. You donkey
far from the First World. I don't think you understand
how the naming first, second and third world countries are defined.
It's not what you think it is.

Speaker 15 (29:55):
Tester.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, but thank you for your text, even though it
was stupid.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Keep them covinan on nineteen ninety two. After we play
some messages, we're going to take more of your calls
on whether entitlements and payers far for our EMPs. But
we're also going to catch up with former cabinet to
stay an MP for almost ten years, Stephen Joyce, it
is seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Be just quickly my point on first World, second World
and third world. So this was these It comes from
the Cold War, it's not from wealth or development. First
World countries were the ones that were aligned with the
United States and the Western democracies the United States, u K, France,
Australia and New Zealand and such. The Second worlds was

(30:41):
the Soviet Union, Communism, USSR, East Germany, Poland Quba you
know that kind of thing. Yep, China and the third
World were people that were not aligned with either of it,
like India, Egypt, Indonesia. So that's how it was aligned.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yes, right, yeah, good to Claire.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
So that we are a first world country, absolutely we are.
Now it's associated with with you know how developed you are, ye,
But that's how the three names came about.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
But we are certainly first world, no doubt about that's right.
So are our MP's and titaments and salary fear? Is
it a cushy ride being an MP? To discuss former
Cabinet Minister and MP for almost a decade, Stephen Joyce
joins us Steven afternoon to you.

Speaker 15 (31:16):
How are you? Twice in one day? I'm just you.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
You're a popular man.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
You're on this morning, weren't you? That's right? You were
also an MP for nearly a decade? Is it nice
to be an MP? As this article suggests.

Speaker 15 (31:29):
It's it's it's a genuine privilege to be an MP
in that you know, you get to do lots of
things that nobody else gets to do in terms of
making you making your contribution, which is a tripe thing
to say, but actually it is. Actually you get to
to get to decide them things, you get to do
some things, you get to see the impact of your work.
All that's all. That's fantastic, But it's it's not an

(31:52):
easy gig either. And that's not to get people to
feel sorry for MPs in any way, shape or form.
But yeah, it's it's it's there's quite a lot involved,
particularly for the senior ones. It's a it's a big job.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Well, describe that workload for cabinet minister.

Speaker 15 (32:09):
Well, again, there's probably there's probably two groups of cabinet
ministers if you're talking about the the sort of the
kitchen cabinet, if you like the type five or six. Yeah,
pretty much every hour God gives. I would say through
that period, I was lucky that I got to be
a cabinet minister for nine of the nine and a

(32:29):
half years I was there. And yeah, it is it
is incredibly full on and on one thing that and
I was always slightly mad hard worker in radio, and
I remember leaving radio and saying, well, I'm never ever
going to work that hard again into politic, which which
was was was clearly a mistake. If that was my
view and the but the it takes a little bit

(32:50):
to get your head around is that there is for
every hour in the day, there's any number of things
that you any number of demands on your time. So
you've got your party people, you've got the people in
the community, you've got the the the MPs you've got
and you know if your minister, you got your fresh
and so on. So you were constantly spinning plates and yeah,

(33:15):
it's quite a gig. And I would normally, if it
was me on a Monday, i'd fly to Wellington from
Auckland where I lived. Notionally, I would leave on the
six point thirty plane, probably on a Monday morning, and
then you'd finish on a Monday night about ten or eleven,

(33:36):
and then you do the same thing again on Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday, and then I'd often go I wasn't
an electric MP, so on a Friday and Saturday, which
is administers of electrical MPs would go back and try
and catch up on their electorate. And I would travel
around the country, go to a place like christ Church

(33:56):
with a Need or whatever and spend a day there
talking to businesses, and then you'd go home and then
the famous thing on the weekend was a thing called
the weekend bag, which your office would send you, which
would have a whole pile of paper in it that
you have to read. And it was it was a
big box, and there was there was the big box,

(34:17):
and then there was the really big box. And I said,
you're not my senior private secretary. This is back in
the days before they distributed papers by the internet. My
senior private secretary, who was not a you know, who
was quite a petite person. She would jump up and
down on the box to try and squish more stuff in.
And then when you opened it at home, it would

(34:39):
sort of spring out at you with all the stuff
in it. And and I'll tell you what. There were
mornings when the really big box arrived and you'd see
it getting out of the you know, they'd take it
out of the car, and your heart would just sink.
On a Saturday morning, souse, you go, oh my god,
it's the big box. And that, you know, meant because

(35:01):
normally I'd spend three or four hours in the afternoon
on a Saturday or a sun and a Sunday, both
days reading papers. And if it was the big box,
you knew that there was definitely a full day. One
of those two days was going to be a full day.
And so yeah, it was it was put this way.

(35:21):
When I left, I look back and think, you know,
it wasn't before time to be a relation of having
time for family and stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
So what percentage of nights would you fall asleep reading papers?

Speaker 15 (35:33):
A lot of times?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (35:35):
But the other thing is you end up with meetings
scheduled at ten pm, right, and occasionally at eleven pm.
I drew the line eleven by the way, well when
I say I drew the line, because it was normally
the Prime Minister would have a meeting at eleven because
literally there was something that he was she had to
do that there was just no more time in the day.

(35:55):
So at eleven pm there'd be a bunch of officials
and the PM, and they're obviously a few ministers who
would be there to you know, because it was either
their portfolio or it was it was you know, they
were there as a member of the kitchen cabinet. And
I used to say to Jka when he was PM,
you know these eleven PM meetings, nothing good comes of

(36:17):
those because you're always incredibly tired, but you know, you
have to meet because it's a pressing issue. There's a
red cross nerve stuck in the sedan somewhere or something,
you know, and you actually have to You can't just
sit there and say, oh, that can wait till to morrow.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
So do you think mp pay and allowances are fair?
And how do you think optics plays into this?

Speaker 15 (36:41):
I doubt that there's any any positive debate to be
had about MP PAI because there's plenty of people that
would say that, you know, it doesn't matter how much
it is, it's too much. And to be fair, there
is always a few and you know in every workplace
who people can look at and go, oh, they're having
a bit of a laugh. You know, they're not really
they're phoning it in. Yeah, and yet they're earning the

(37:03):
same as other people and so and absolutely no names,
but there's always somebody that you can point to goes,
you know, this person, it's just just just creaming it
for the amount of effort they put in, and hopefully,
hopefully over time the public get the opportunity to work
that out and either they move the mine or the
party moves the line or something. But I'd say most

(37:27):
most people work very hard. And then the other debate
you get is, oh, that's a higher pay than they
would have got any other job. And then there's and
that's true for some people, and then for some other
people it would be a much lower pay than they
were used to getting. And then some people say, oh,
you should pay according to what they used to get
in the private sector. But you know, that's pretty impossible.

(37:48):
So you have to make your own decision together. When
the ISO pay them a reasonable salary for the fact
that they're away from home a huge amount of time,
and and you know, and then let's just get on
with it.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, great to have you on, Stephen. Thank you very
much for jumping on show for the second time today
for really appreciate your thoughts. Very interesting that is former
Cabinet Minister Steven Joyce.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
It sounds like a real ball like to me.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
But those boxes sounded frightening it. There's six minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Said b it is four to two, got the news
hot on our table. We've had so many texts and
correspondence coming through. That will get to some of that
after the news. If you want to send one through
by all means, nine two ninety two is that number.
But we're going to come back to that very shortly
because New Sport and Weather is on its way, great
debut company. This afternoon, you're listening to Matt and Tyler.

(38:49):
I hope you're having a great Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Said be welcome back into the program. It is seven
past two and we have been discussing MP's and titlements
and salaries. This is on the bank of a lot
of commentary. One of the more significant ones was this
headline par with Pie's crayfish one thousand dollars a week
for your mortgage free apartment. It is nice to be
an MP.

Speaker 17 (39:20):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, speaking of nights, Tayler, thanks for making me a coffee.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
All good, mate, All good. I can see you're hard
at work doing some research. I came in and said
that you go, mate, and.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
You put it down and I didn't notice it was there,
so I didn't say thank you.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Well, thank you for saying thank you, mate.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
I'm not going to sip a coffee that someone's made
for me without saying thank you.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Can I apologize because I was getting a bit grumpy
there for a bit. I was just like, I didn't
even say anything about the coffee. So I am sorry.
I got a bit worked up there and I know
you grateful mate. It's not bad, that's all right. The
milk might have been a bit off, to be honest,
it was the only bottle left.

Speaker 7 (39:53):
No, thank you.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
It's great when you think I really want a coffee
but you haven't got one, and then you lock around
and someone snuck one in beside you with ninja like skills.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
That's what we do on this teammate, right.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Thank you. But anyway, that's off topic.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yes, So nine two ninety two is the text number.
AN eight hundred eighty is the number to call. So
the question we've got for you is do you think
it is fair the entitlement and the pay the MPs
get considering the job that they have to do. And
there's been so many texts come through over the past hour.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
It's not about the entitlement, but seriously, one thousand dollars
to charge yourself rent as ripping off taxpays if your
mortgage free, Why I take the allowance bloody disgraceful, whereas
this Texas says is a bigger pardon. Is one thousand
really that much to complain about? At my work, I'm
an electrical engineer. We work away from home one week

(40:43):
a month. We are a team of four. We get
paid seventy dollars each night being away from home, and
then our boss still has to pay for the accommodation
after that. People just like to complain. But if you
mentioned the price of butter, your phones will go off
the hook. Yeah right, you're not wrong there. We haven't
actually had hysteria for a while, have we here? But yeah,
I mean it's not abnormal if you have to work

(41:06):
away from home to get you know that reenunertion for
that right?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, pretty common in most jobs.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
And so if you have to work away from home
and in a city that you wouldn't work in, then
you happy to buy an apartment in that city and
pay it off. Then you're still working away from home.
So that money could go to a hotel or rent,
or it could go to your house. What difference does
that make to the.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Text, PA, It's still going to get paid out one
way or the other one. I have to leave you a
city to go.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Well, I can't quite get my head around why it
matters that it's mortgage free or not.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
It doesn't because what do you want? So then she
sells the property because it's mortgage free, and then she
has to rent. They're still paying out some sort of
allowance there. It makes no sense. That's that's the entitlement
in the contry.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
And when you say her, I mean Willie Jackson does
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, exactly. So what are you saying this? I one
hundred and eighty ten eighty And I'm going to say
after listening to we're talking to Steven Joyce, obviously very
well known, successful cabinet minister for many years, and what
was the words he said? Pretty much, when you're in
senior cabinet, every hour that you are away is dedicated
to the job. And I can say this truthfully because
I've done the mess before speaking to some politicians in

(42:14):
those sort of areas. When you break it down in
terms of how many hours they work per week and
what they get paid, some of them were not that
much higher than the minimum wage.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Well, genuinely, this text says, listening to Steven Joyce has
changed my mind a bit. It's not a job I'd
like to do, except for the fact that you might
be able to do some good stuff and make a
difference to people's lives through your position, and for the
environment as well. I will say, though, that if I
did in that sort of money, I would have no
problem not taking a pay rise or maybe donate it
like John Key did. But that may seem like me

(42:43):
just virtue signaling, but I hope not. I think it's
just my nature and true belief. But maybe with those
hours they work and the time away from family can't
object too much. In hindsight, I'm not used to that
kind of money that you go think for your text.
Thing is on top of that, we didn't even talk
about the public scrutiny, the intense pressure you're under to
make the right decisions, and everything you do, every word

(43:06):
you say being cut up and used against you if
you say slightly the wrong word here and there. I mean,
there's not really jobs that are that much high pressure. Meanwhile,
some of your workmates are constantly trying to catch you
out and hassle you and make you lose your job.
People actively trying to make you lose your job, working
to so you lose your job in your own workplace.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Such an intense environment.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, like you imagined, Tyler, if I was just working
every day directly to try and get you taken off
the show.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Keep those things coming through all nine two nine to two, Ray,
How are you thanks for hanging on?

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Hi?

Speaker 17 (43:49):
I agree that it's absolutely fair what they're given. If
they were in a hotel, they'd be paying three hundred
dollars a night because they can elect to be in
a hotel. So it's cheaper to have an apartment that's
going to include electricity, internet, all that sort of thing.
But this constantly comes up, and it's always become Usually,

(44:12):
I've got to say, it's usually the labor voters that
seem to be completely against it. But you know that
might be wrong, but I just think that we should
bite the bullet and build an apartment building with one
bedroom apartment in them for them.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
That's not right.

Speaker 17 (44:28):
We've got six thousand, two hundred dollars a year, six million,
two hundred dollars a year we're paying out for them.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
So it'd be like animal house for mpace.

Speaker 17 (44:36):
Yeah exactly. But the thing is it would give a
boost to the economy down there. Get it going. It's
part of the infrastructure. Once it's paid for, all you're
doing is paying rates and maintenance. And they've got a
place to live and you know, and it takes away
to the security and you can have good security there.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, gated a gated community well or.

Speaker 17 (45:05):
An apartment building. But I'm sure a lot of our
all I know a lot of our parliamentarians have to
have security. So you've got security in at all different
apartments blocks. We can have it at one block. They
could have a meeting room, you know, for each party
and you know, just build it and then nobody has

(45:27):
to worry about their allowance anymore.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Bunk beds more than one politician around.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
They put in one room in their own dorm.

Speaker 17 (45:38):
Yeah, little one bedroom apartment, lounge, lounge, study area.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
It actually sounds fun. It sounds like going back to
the university hostels.

Speaker 19 (45:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (45:49):
And they could go to somebody like Simplicity. They could
build it out of acc fums because you know, have
they invested, you know, there's plenty of good ways.

Speaker 13 (46:02):
To do it.

Speaker 17 (46:02):
And then nobody has to argue about, oh they got
you know, they got five hundred dollars more a week
than what they should have got.

Speaker 20 (46:09):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (46:10):
What do you think about So even if they are
in these one bedroom apartments specially built, what do you
think about them getting a pay increase from let's just say,
in order an MP from one hundred and sixty three
thousand up to probably about one eighty one come July.

Speaker 17 (46:24):
I think I think normally yes that I think at
the moment they should say no. But you know that's
you know, the Remuneration Authority. They seem to be a
rule into their own as to what they pay people.
You know, they're going out to the private sector and
looking at what people are being paid with similar jobs.
But as you said, I don't think there'd be an

(46:46):
MP in the house that works less than seventy hours
a week. Yeah, we're probably on minimum wage.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Good on your good on your Ray. Thank you very
much for giving us a call. So do you agree
with Ray? Should there be some sort of massive apartment
block built for all MP's and willing to help them
save costs? And what do you think it is? Fear
the entitlements and the pay that they get for the
job that they do. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties.
A number to call It is quarter bout to.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk, say'd.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Be seventeen past two. So is it fear what we
pay MP's and the entitlements they get. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is number to call.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
The six is if you want good people, then you
need to pay them decent coin, especially given the hours
they work, senior execs and the privatest they get paid
way more. Where do you think all those retired MPs go? Yeah, John,
your thoughts please?

Speaker 6 (47:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (47:39):
So I support them being paid what they're paid or
paid more given what we've heard in regards to the
work that they do and now as they put in,
or what I would suggest is an alternative perhaps is
that we make less of them so we can pay
a smaller group more.

Speaker 15 (47:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
So, what we've got about one hundred and twenty of
them at the moment, So how many do you.

Speaker 11 (47:59):
Yeah, probably let's go with one hundred and a week.
Can gradually bring it down.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah, I mean it seems that the really competent one
end up doing getting lumped with a whole whole lot
of work, and the ones that don't prove themselves to
be that competence seem to be, you know, obviously not
given the same amount of portfolios. So you know, it'd
be interesting to look about comparable sized countries how many
politicians they have. So we're five million and we've got

(48:26):
one hundred and twenty and so that's because seventy two
electric seats electorate seats and about forty eight list seats.

Speaker 11 (48:34):
Yeah. Well, i'd point to Singapore as an example of
where they do it well and what they're able to
achieve in terms of decisions being made, progress on infrastructure,
centric cetera. Because people just get on and do things.
Decisions are made quickly and the plane's stuck to you
over over a number of years.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yeah, and you're only in for a while and then
you're out there. You're you're not being voted and voted out,
you're being moved on.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, interesting point. I've just said a Look,
I mean, the Australia is a comparison country to us,
so I've got one hundred and fifty one Members of
Parliament in the House of represent So for a country
that is I think about four five times the size
of ours, you could argue that one hundred and twenty
is too many MPs.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
I mean, the list FUN for Finland has about the
same population as as I think they've got about five
point five million. They've got two hundred MP's.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Right, okay, so they've gone even higher.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, thank you, cool, John.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I mean, I think when it comes to the list MP,
there's a good argument to be had there that when
you're electric MP, you're actually doing some work for your constituents.
You're looking after whatever seat that you've won, and you're
doing work for your particular party. But the list MP,
I mean, no doubt some of them do work, But
what else are they doing in the background.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
When you're an electric electorate MP, then you go up
the go up the ranks and you get larmed with
so much work, don't.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
You certainly do? Yeah? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call keen on your thoughts
on this. Nine two ninety two is the text number
as well. It is twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on you talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Twenty two past two. So do you think it's for
the entitlements and MP's get paid? Hey Marcia, Hi, Hi,
good guys. Hi, what's your take?

Speaker 19 (50:19):
Okay?

Speaker 21 (50:19):
So I understand that they do a good job, and
that they have very late nights and that they've got
to work really hard. But if you look at what
they're earning and what they're now expecting to get an
increase in July, where we have nurses and teachers and
firemen that all require.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Oh you're still there, you know, nurses and or requires one.

Speaker 21 (50:46):
Hundred and twenty and one hundred and eighty thousand.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't decide on that on.

Speaker 21 (50:53):
That is really high, whereas fast percent of a nurser
salary or a teacher salary or a fireman salary. I
really believe that they should not They should actually turn
around and say thank you, but no thank you. In
this current economy, let's rather our portion of increase go

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to one of the services that is so lacking.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
But it wouldn't make any difference, Marcia, because say that
what we spend on the whole parliamentary set up, and
the pay is like zero point zero one of the
of the budget. It's tiny. That wouldn't spread out across
teachers or firemen at all. The fire service.

Speaker 21 (51:36):
I am sure there would not be one teacher, one fireman,
or one nurse that would say no, thank.

Speaker 17 (51:42):
You to the extra.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Salary.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah right, but but you know, you know that the
MPs don't make this decision. It's determined by the independent
remuneration Remuneration Authority. I keep saying remunerations.

Speaker 21 (52:00):
He needs to kick them.

Speaker 13 (52:01):
Well again, I.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Guess the reason why they set that up, and they
have their reasons for deciding it, and they is that
people thought that it was wrong for MPs to be
voting on how much they got paid. It would seemed
like a conflict of interest. So they set up an
independent body that goes through and analyzes what they think
is the right amount to be paid independently.

Speaker 21 (52:21):
So the MP that you spoke to a little bit
earlier was saying how hard he works and how they
have meetings at nine o'clock. I think nurses and firemen
tend to work a little bit harder than that, you.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Think, so do you think that nurses and firemen work
harder than then a top of the cabinet MP.

Speaker 21 (52:42):
Definitely really, especially nurses, you think so, I would like
one of the MP's to swap their salary. It would
make a fantastic reality show to swap their salary for
six months with the nurse.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Wouldn't that just be one of those embarrassing virtue signals
where you're just trying to get votes by, you know,
being holier than thou. Wouldn't people just see through that
and say that.

Speaker 21 (53:07):
I think people would look at it, and I think
the person that was getting the smaller salary will understand
how very underpaid.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
So you think the Prime Minister should just give us
teachers actually are well? John Key famously didn't take his salary,
did he No, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
He gave it to charity. But you can see, I
mean that's look, a lot of people will hear what
you're saying here. But where do you draw the line?
I mean, does a doctor get paid the same as
a nurse?

Speaker 6 (53:33):
You know?

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Does a teacher get paid the same as a nurse?
Does a firefighter a senior firefighter get paid more than
somebody who's just joined the fire service. These are all
calculator based on what the market thinks that there is
the value to that job. There's no doubt that retail
workers and hospital workers work extremely long hours and do
extremely tough work. But that is just the way that
the market operates. And to Matt's point, even if you

(53:54):
do cut the number of MP's will take away their salary.
That's not much of a booster nurses, you know what
what you're talking about there will take a lot more
than trying to convince MP's to give up this salary.

Speaker 21 (54:04):
Now, the sad part is there wouldn't be an MP
or a nurse, or a dog or a lawyer if
it wasn't for the teacher. Why because how would they
get there if somebody didn't teach them?

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Well, I don't know. I mean I can see a
way that they could get there without a teacher. Yeah,
I mean, there's no there's no there's no minimum.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Standards history and they had to go to you.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
No, they don't. You don't have there's no qualification that
you have to have to become an MP. You don't.
You don't have to have passed anything.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
No, there have to be a link.

Speaker 21 (54:39):
To be rude, but I can see that.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Thank you for your call. Yeah, thank you very much, Marcia.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Yeah, well, it seems like a bit of a typical
wins this one, isn't It always pops up right, like
one of those false comparison to get click type headlines
power pies, crayfish and one thousand dollars a week for
your mortgage free apartment. It's nice to be an MP.
It's pretty misled leading headline, isn't it in that article?
Because the pies are fifteen dollars from Pukou Pies and

(55:08):
and Wellington, and the MP's paid for those pies. So
you can't hassle someone for buying a fifteen dollar pike,
can you? And Shane Jones crayfish was given to him right.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
So.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
I don't know why those things are mentioned in the headline.
But the truth is, compared to the jobs most of
us do MPs, it's a bit more important, and it's
a bit more stressful than the job, and it's quite
hard to get the job compared to most of us.
Being an MP in this country involves a huge amount
of responsibility, punishingly long hours, brutal public scrutiny, and generally
maintaining two lives away from family between Wellington and and

(55:42):
Ura electorate. Plus, Unlike you and I, they managed to
rise to the level of being an MP. And if
you want to do it, you can go for it.
I mean, it isn't it easy to get there. Comparing
MPs to people in social housing, as this article does,
seems a little bit disingenuous as well, because you know,
I bless those in social housing and I have a
lot of sympathy for them. But they are being generously

(56:04):
helped out by the taxpayer because their life hasn't gone
well for them. The other, the MP, is being paid
to do an important, high powered job making decisions on healthcare, defense,
infrastructural welfare whilst being under intense scrutiny. One is getting
paid to do a job, the other is being helped
out because they're in a difficult position in life. It's
a completely false equivalency.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I would say, Yeah, interesting conversation and a very spicy
one at there, So thank you everyone who gave us
a buzz and text through really enjoyed it. Right coming
up after the headlines, we want to have a discussion
about the owner of the Black Dog Tavern and Markatuka
in Munawood two. He is facing the possibility of losing
his liquor license after he led a twenty one year
old drink a yard glass at his venue. Oh shocking

(56:47):
so oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number
to call twenty nine past two.

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Speaker 2 (58:09):
Ray Lean.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
You know you go through your whole life and you
know for me this is this happens a lot. But
I've been saying things completely wrong. I've always said renumeration,
but it's remove narration, remuneration, remonation like rah, I mean
so rah moo ruh you nah ra.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Can we just redeem it.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Not re enumeration because I think because we lean on
the newmeration because you think it's like, you know, number year.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I always said renumerus like rah nahration. Oh you've got
me overthinking the word new narration uneration. Can we just
call it the MP salary authority?

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, you can. You can do what you want, Okay.
I don't really care about pronunciation. No, but it's just
interesting because I'd never thought about that before. A bunch
of people texting and saying you're saying renumeration when it's
new narration.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Yeah, good to clarify that interesting. Isn't that very interesting?
And I'll tell you what it is. Also interesting is
the guy.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
That appeared on Fox News that appeared to be wearing
a mask his face.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Because he just pointed out that I was watching those
videos and maybe the video was a bit cut, so
we'vedn't seen this. It was a guy on Fox News
and everyone thought he was wearing a very realistic human mask,
almost like Mission Impossible style. And when you just showed
me the video, I've got to say I didn't see
the neck part. The neat part is very convincing. I mean,
his eyes aren't moving, there's no facial expression in his forehead,

(59:31):
but the wee flappy neck, I mean that is so
chid Navy Vice Admiral Robert Howard he made a brief
appearance on Fox News in America's newsroom, and everyone was like,
he is definitely wearing a mask.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
But he is. He has disputed it, so he has
said that he was not wearing a mask. But it
looks like the down by his neck, it's so bizarre.
Down by the bottom of his neck. It looks like
he's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Because either that's a massive neck fold or it's absolutely
a mask. And then the question is why are you
wearing such a realistic looking mass to a Fox News interview. Oh,
I love the internet, I love this world.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Fox News said, asked the Robert Howard Fox News interview.
Doesn't mean he's dead, replaced, or an alien. He was
very likely unavailable that day. He went on to claim
the same thing was done with Krmala Harris three years ago,
but sadly people assumed it was a facelift. No, it's
just it's just a weird thing of light. But god,
it's odd.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
It is very odd. Yeah, uncanny value, isn't it. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Anyway, right, that's two things off topic. What are we
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Go look it up if you haven't seen it before,
because it is fantastic. But let's get into this discussion
because it seems very unfair on its surface. The owner
of Black Dog Tavern and Makataku that's in the mud.
Or two, he's facing the possibility of losing his liquor
license after he allowed a twenty one year old celebrating
birthday to drink from a yard glass at his venue.

(01:00:59):
So licensing authority is now reviewing the breach of alcohol
service rules, and the owner says the potential penalty could
seriously impact his business to his livelihood. He argues the
situation was a mistake rather than a deliberate misconduct, but
it still places his compliance history and future operations under scrutiny.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Which I think is bizarre because some things in our
culture grandfathered in. I mean in America they do this
this really well. Well, they'll hold on to things like
tailgating and stuff, and you just you just never could
take it away because it's it's just a tradition and
they do it. The yard glass is a New Zealand tradition.
It's a rite of passage. Smashing a yarde every day.

(01:01:39):
Not a good idea, No, not a good idea. I
would not recommend smashing a YARDI more than once, maybe
just in your twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
First It's hard to do once.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
And I wouldn't recommend that a bar has yard glasses
on its drink list as a possibility. You know, yeah,
but can you should you punish a bar for doing
something that nearly everyone expects to do in their life.
You know, it just seems to me that at that

(01:02:08):
point point, if you're running your you know, your review
over the bar and their license, go it was a
YARDI on the twenty first, Come on, come on to
you know, ask the person, did you do a yardi
on your twenty first Do you want to live in
a world where a bar refuses someone a yardi on
their twenty first year? Is that the world you want
to live in? Or do you want to live in
a world where we have these traditions and we hold

(01:02:29):
on to them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Just seems that lack of common sense coming into it again.
And I'll put it out there that I've been in
many pubs during twenty first where a yardy has been consumed.
People will bring in their own beer, their deals being
dub with a particular pub owner, and then they get
them to go into the balcony and do the yardy
and everybody's celebrating, loving it because it is such a
fantastic tradition in New Zealand. And this poor guy, I

(01:02:51):
don't know how they found out about it. Someone must
have dabbed him in. So that is they're even lower
than the licensee alcohol authority to dob someone into say
they do they lives it's against the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yeah, and look o one hundred and eighty ten eighty,
like you've probably had a lot of experiences with the
guards out there. I mean, there's probably I want to
talking about this a silly thing to say, thousands and
thousands of people out there listening right now would have
had a YARDI on the twenty first yep or been
and you know there's probably someone having a YARDI tonight
at the twenty first, you know, listening right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Now, even the twenty one shots.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
So let's you know, let's hear from you. Was it
the end of the world? Well, sometimes it is. It's
the end of the night.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
To be fair, can't be pretty punished.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
But is it something that needs to be worried about
or is it just a sort of a one off tradition,
sort of write a passage thing that people do that
that if you're if you're judging a bar, don't judge
them on that because that's just it's a New Zealand tradition.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Come on, yeah, you know, oh, eight, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two
nine two? Is the text? What do you say? Should
it be a tradition? That authorities look the other way
on or do you think it was fair? Cop? Tell
us your view. It is twenty one two three, will
be back very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Mattie Taylor Adams taking your calls. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. It's matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons News, Dog's heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about the
owner of the black dog Taving. His name is Brendan Wilson,
and he is worried that the liquor Licensing Authority is
coming after him after a twenty one year old, twenty
one year old, i should say, consumed a yard glass
on the in the venue. So the question I've got
for you is there should there be some traditions in
New Zealand that are sacrasants, something like drinking a yard

(01:04:35):
glass on your twenty first birthday, and perhaps a bit
of common sense employed in a situation like that, rather
than the liqual Licensing Authority just taking a box and
saying no, that's against the rule. What do you say? Oh,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number two call,
and on the line we've actually got the owner of
a black dog, Tavin Brendan Wilson. Brendan, very good afternoon

(01:04:57):
to you. Thanks very much for having a chat with us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
No, thanks, so thanks for contacting us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
So tell us what happened on this particular night. I
take it was a twenty first that was being celebrated
and the tradition of a young he came out and
everybody had a good time in that situation. Just just
set the scene on what actually happened.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Yeah, perfectly, you've summed it up to a tea. Look,
we're a small country pub that's not too many people
know about, and you just get asked to do a
yardie and just didn't think too much of it.

Speaker 13 (01:05:26):
To be honest, I'd come, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
You do you have yard glasses in the cabinet?

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
No, but we do now because he actually left us.
He said do you want us? And said yeah, why not?
So yeah we do now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
So how did the liquor license authority find out about it?
What happened here? Did you get dobbed in or what's
the story?

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
It's on Facebook right Apparently we got dobbed in and
that's what they said to us, and it was a
complaint and yeah, we got in trouble a little while,
but we copped a little bit of flat for burning
the worst book in the world, and so whether it
was a link with that, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
So so what what what? What's the status at now?
So you're and what does it mean to be under investigation? Brandan?

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Look, I guess they go through their processes. I've contacted
them by email and by phone, but I haven't heard
any information back.

Speaker 13 (01:06:26):
And so what do you do?

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
You just sit on your thumb and wait.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
So, so when someone who has completed a yard glass,
I guess the argument would be, there's a good chance
that they are over the limit now and can't drink
in the pub anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Right, Well, nobody. Look, if we like, we follow the rules,
and if we start to see people get into that stage,
we sort of go, hey, hey, hey, but most people
who are in that mode are with a group of
their mates. You know, they're getting driven the we're not
about to let them drive, We're yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
So, so is there not a loophole? But is there
a way that that this has been traditionally done that
that bar owners don't get into trouble for it, or
is it just you know, I say that is of
been many pubs where a twenty first has been celebrated
and your yard glasses come out, and sometimes you know,
the party goers bring their own beer and it's all
been agreed with with the pub owner. But has it

(01:07:18):
been against the rules all along?

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
So the rules are to consume that amount of one
sitting is considered. Haven't you got dangerous or reckless? Or
But you know, all they've got a picture of is
an empty yard glass. Whether he've drunk heineken zero, there's
another matter.

Speaker 7 (01:07:41):
I mean, did he.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
That would be hard to do two point eight liters
of that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
But I get I get you, I get your point.
It's about two point seven five leaders. So did did
how much? Did? How much do you pay for two
point seventy five letters of beer your tavern?

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
It's fifteen dollars a jug?

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
So which is one? That's that's good?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Really, it's a very good value.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
You wouldn't get that inflation. Yeah, you're paying fifty bucks
a jog up here?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah, So what's the situation now, Brendan. You've just got
to wait until they do their investigation and see what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:08:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Look, I'm hoping for amalgamation in some form. So you know,
you've got to look a licensing authority there with someone
who's I would dare say, by the time you take
a car and a wage, there's one hundred thousand dollars
you could probably visit the establishments in Terror and Hook's
Day or Terror or at least within a few days.
And so maybe amalgamation of some councils will sort some

(01:08:47):
of that out. You know, maybe it's bored them on
their behalf, wanting to make a job for themselves. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Well, Brendan, thank you very much having a chat with us,
and all the best with that. So what do you say,
I mean, should these traditions be protected when it comes
to a twenty first party? Has been a long tradition
in New Zealand doing the old yard glass when you're
twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Fifteen dollars a jog, My goodness, that's a good price.
So two point seventy five liters. I mean it's part
of Look, it's not a responsible part of piece of drinking,
is it a ya glass? But isn't that kind of
the point. The kind of the point is that you're
twenty one and you're doing you know, rights of passages,
passages a right of passage is something full on, right,
So maybe it's running barefoot over some burning ashes, hot

(01:09:27):
ashes or something, yeah, you know, tying your feet up
and jumping off the top of a you know, I'm
just trying to think of some traditional rights of passage.
There's that famous one where is it? What island?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Is that New Guinea?

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Pub New Guinea where you tie your feed up and
do sort of a sort of a pretty risky kind
of bungee jump.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Put your hand in a glove with bullet hands.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
So the idea of the yard glass isn't that it's sensible,
it's that it's a right of passage, right, Yeah, And
so you should you just go okay, well, you know
it's not every night, it's one night in your life
that you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Yeah, what do you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call a nine? Two
ninety two is the text.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
And if you feel like sharing your story of your
experience with the yardglass, we'd love to hear that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
We're here for that. Thirteen to two three, The Issues
that affect You and a bit of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
ZEDB News Talk zed beat is ten to three.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
The sex is Matt Heath. I bet you couldn't handle
a yardie and I bet you failed on your twenty
first accurate did you you can finish it? That was
a real cookie monster situation for me. I was I
was accused of cookie monstering, where you know, ninety five
percent of it goes down your.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Front A seet way to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
I've been I've been kicked out of boat races for
that as well. Cookie monstering.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Sacrifice for the tea. Yeah, I had one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Get a
brandan god?

Speaker 22 (01:10:50):
A Hey, I just reckoned the fun. Please or the
licensing authority in this case needs to take a spoonful
of reality to me as a parent and not head
teenage kids. You know, I'd much rather than all be
drinking in a controlled environment through a licensing establishment rather
than an uncontrolled environ into the party. And I mean
if you look down at Duneda and the other Totago

(01:11:12):
University and all the iconic pubs that have closed there
now because of the licensing authority. From what I understand,
we ended up with a party. Was it in Castle
Street or one of those streets there that was crammed
to the gunnels and some people got stampeded on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Yeah, yeah, And I tend to agree with that Brendan
that whether they were having a yadi at this particular establishment,
they were going to have a yadi anyway, right because
they had the glass themselves, So it was going to happen.
And do you want that to happen at a licensed
venue where there is people there to make sure that,
you know, there's going to be some safety, or do
you want them just getting loose at a house where
there is no safety and a lot more can go wrong.

Speaker 22 (01:11:52):
I know, I agree because even at a licensed establishment,
let's say it was too much for that person, you know,
the owner or the bar staff, they will make sure
that person's all rights and get them home safely. You know,
that's the responsibility. So you know, the way to me,
the way the licensing authorities erecting right throughout the country

(01:12:14):
is trying to discourage people from drinking at these licensed establishments,
you know, at the local pub, closing them down, and
so we do the young ones go now to an
uncontrolled environment, which to me is a heck of a
lot more dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Well, I am. You know. I was down in Dunedin
recently and you know I grew up there, went to
university there, and it's amazing that you're exactly right then,
you know. I asked my son's down there and I said,
what pubs do you go to? And they go, we
just got to flat parties. So it's not like you've
got rid of the drinking. You've just got rid of
regulated drinking or drinking with security and bartenders and hospitality

(01:12:52):
people that are looking out for the kids. So yeah,
I mean totally what do you want really? Hey, but
you said that you've had teenagers?

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Have had you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Have you had any that have gone past twenty one yet.

Speaker 13 (01:13:02):
Brendan, You know they all hear us.

Speaker 22 (01:13:05):
Now, you know I've always told by kids gone out
for a night out, I'm a Nelson extuly like you,
though I did grow up Undernedan. Myn nana was actually
born in the house at number fourteen Hyde Street, surprise, surprise.
So I know you know the area well. But getting
back to my kids here, my wife and I always

(01:13:26):
told them, hey, if you're out and about and if
you get into trouble, you know, no matter what the
timer is, no matter what condition you're in, give us
a call. The response waiting us up at two, three,
four o'clock in the morning may not be good, but
we'll make sure you get home, you know, and there'll
be no questions asked there, and then chances are we'll

(01:13:46):
have a talk about it a day or two later.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Have you witnessed your any of your kids.

Speaker 20 (01:13:54):
Getting through a YARDI, Brendan, and no, I guess I
have one one And it wasn't a YARDI actually she's
doing an degree in Lincoln that it was a gun boot,
not a yardy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
All right, good, good effort.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
A new gun boot or a used gun boot or
a fresh one.

Speaker 22 (01:14:11):
It was who used gun boot?

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Story Lincoln University.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
So how much beer is in a gun boot? Because
it's two point seven five leaders in a YARDI I'm
not sure how much is in a gun boot. But
how did she go?

Speaker 22 (01:14:26):
I don't know. I witnessed the drinking, not the poring,
But no, she went quite well, actually.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Very good. And just out of interest, I looked up
the volume average volume of an adult gun boot. It's
anywhere between two point five and three point five leaders,
so well, yes, she certainly.

Speaker 13 (01:14:45):
Is all right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Well think of you called Brendan, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Yeah, thank you very much. Keep your calls coming through.
On one hundred and eighty ten eighty, do you think
something like a yadi should be protected as sacred when
it comes to drinking at a venue? Nine two ninety
two is the text number. A few texts coming through.
This one says getay, guys, I failed my yadi as well,
but absolutely agree. I don't know if you need to
put it into legislat or if it's just common sense.

(01:15:10):
But it's not saying that people can just get beat
faced at any bar they want to. It's a one
off celebration situation and should be celebrated and left alone
by authorities.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
The six is we have very strict laws in New Zealand.
You can buy larger vessels with tequila, etcetera. In places
like Barley Fig Vegas. You aren't supposed to be able
to sell jugs of Margarita's here because they have spirits
in it. Our country is too bureaucratic when it comes
to liquor laws. Is testy? Do you agree?

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number two call.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Just Texas is how ridiculous you really think people should
be partaking in a yardy, disgusting waste of time anarchy?

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Live a little Oh e one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number two call. Well squeezed Tim in
before we've got the news. Tim, We've got about sixty seconds.

Speaker 9 (01:15:57):
What you thought we got a First of all, I
love a beer, not a teetotler. No, that guy that
came on that owned the pub make easier. You shouldn't
have been on your show. I think you set himself
up to sail if sorry gets here. That hey, highly
regulated industry, no place for it. It's all about minimizing

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alcoholm and you need a regulation in those type of environments.
That last caller said, it's you know they're going to
do it anyway, Well you don't encourage it and condone it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
And a licensed premise no good?

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
What about outside of a licensed preferences?

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
Well, you can't control that, right because that's how it is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
But so hasn't a better to do it in a
licensed premises with these people here that can look after you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:39):
Well, you know you've got basically licenses there for three
period for three years only. So that guy that's just
done it as bars.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Is that a good thing though? Is that a good
thing that we shut people down for supporting age old
New Zealand traditions.

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
Well, if the guy dies like a poor kid and Meticana.

Speaker 9 (01:16:57):
Recently doing a yardie probably would say no, basically intoxicated.

Speaker 6 (01:17:01):
So I'm saying we don't know what that kid had
before his yadi, right, m.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Ok, Tim? Do you agree with him? I waite hundred
and eighty ten eighty to go to the news.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
We certainly do. But we're going to carry this on.
Nine two ninety two is the text number as well.
You're listening to Matt and Tyler. I hope you're having
a great afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
We made it here then we made the big stories,
the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Be gaday to you, welcome back into the show. It
is seven past three. Really good to have your company
as always, and we're carrying on this discussion about a
yardy being consumed at a tavern and the mona. We're
two and the tavan owner fears he's going to be
shut down because of.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
It under investigation for a New Zealand tradition? Is it
still people still doing Artis we hear now more and
more that young people are drinking less and less and
doing a yardi, which is two point seventy five leaders
of beer all at once. It's not drinking less, that's
drinking a lot. And there's no doubt that doing a
yardi is a stupid thing. No one's arguing that it's

(01:18:05):
not a stupid thing. But that's why you do it, right,
it's the right of passage. Yeah, it is, and so
it is stupid. Or a gun boot as our previous callers,
A daughter had a gun boot which was actually more I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Believe, yeah, two points no, just over three letters.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Depending on the size of the gun boot. I guess, yeah,
that's a lot. Oh no, would you say the gum
it was two point three letters.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
It was anywhere between two point five to three point five.
So if she was a size for fae, which I
doubt she was, then that's a big gum boot.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
But I mean, and the other thing that people doing
twenty first is the twenty one shots. That seems like
a lot to me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
That yeah, I mean, because the option was right. You
do a yardy, you do your twenty one shots, and
I think the yard he was a better way to go.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
This is bollocks. Ninety percent of people just regurgitate the yardy.
There's no drama. Society has gone woke, says this text.
At twenty first years ago, witnessed a birthday boy do
two yardies without rest holy so he didn't see much
of them after that. Missy see that. That's the problem
with the yardy at the twenty first is that it's

(01:19:04):
your party, and after the yardy, you kind of you
kind of got on from the party, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
It is a night in there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
That's why I employed the coward and league cooking monster,
where you just pour ninety nine percent of the yardie
down your front and so everyone feels like they are
experiencing the yardy situation. But you can you can be
there for the rest.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Of the night.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
You don't get called out for it, got massively called
out for it. What can you do? The yards be
fulled up and it's been empty. Yeah, the fact that
it was right down my suit and tie and white shirt,
that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
It's a strategy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
When I was used to be on tour with my band,
people would bring me shots all the time, like people
would hand them on stage and afterwards, you know, when
I was hitting through the crowd or whatever, I'd get
given shots. And that was making touring really hard because
just that many shots when you're on the road is
quite punishing. So I started just pouring them over my head.
So i'd get off stage, someone would buy me shots,

(01:20:01):
pull them over the had and people would be happy
because they'd experienced the full on thing of a shot.
But I didn't have to drink the shot, and then
so I could go on with the tour without dying,
and it worked really well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
It's a great sacrifice, and you sacrifice a little bit
of humiliation and you're going to be soaking at the top. Yeah,
but you're not going to be smashed when you get
up on that stage. Boy, you will be smashed, just
not as smashed as you could.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
I've been a cowardly drinking my whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
of calls? I should some traditions be protected, like the yardglass.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Hi, guys, I'd much rather live to live in a
free country than being so overregulated at twenty one. You
should be able to make your own choices and it
should not affect any third party.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Cheers fillip, And this one says, get a well that
last caller, get a life. I did my YARDI thirty
seven years ago and I loved it. Haven't done another
one since it's not like you go into a bar
and say one yard glass, thanks bar man. It's a
one off.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
I know you do it once on your twenty fist,
so no one ever voluntarily does a yardie, right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Yeah, So ride a passage. It's a celebration.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
It's an interesting vessel in that it's only used one
yeah by you in your life. And that's and that's why,
because it is stupid. As I say, it's a stupid
thing to do, but that's why you do it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Cannot just go through. So what's actually in the legislation
and what arguably this guy is being investigated for. So
under the legislation, I think some of this is a
bit stupid, but here it is. So Section two three
seven prohibits the promotion or selling alcohol in a way
that encourages excessive consumption. Serving a single person two point
seventy five liters a beer at once is likely as
likely to be considered excessive. Specific regulations prohibit the supply

(01:21:40):
or sale of spirits in vessels larger than five hundred mil. Well,
it wasn't spirits, so I don't think that qualifies. And
then duty of care. Licensed premises have a strict duty
of care under the Act to Prevent intoxication.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Yeah, but I guess what I'm saying is when you
run your head across it. The yadi is grandfathered in
as a New Zealand tradition when you're twenty one. So
when you're looking at how a bar overall runs, I
think you can go, well, yeah, look that's run pretty well.
Well generally everything's right. No one's doing a yardy every night.
It's not on the drinks list. It's not something you

(01:22:13):
can order. But someone's doing a yardy tonight because it's
the twenty first. There's a party going on. So do
we really need to crack down a bar because of that.
It's a twenty first, it's a yardy, It's something that happens, right, What.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Do you say, I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
is this a write a passage in New Zealand that
should be protected at licensed venues? Or do you agree
with the licensing authority over this?

Speaker 5 (01:22:34):
One?

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Nine two niney two is the text?

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Do you agree with this person idiotic to suggest anyone
should ever do a yardy anywhere?

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Shots fights? What do you say to that if you've
done a YARDI oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty it's
twelve past three.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Twenty one shots fired?

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
News talk?

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Si'd be afternoon to you? It's a quarter past three?
So should the consumption of a yard glass of beer
be protected when it comes to licensed venues? Is after
the owner of a tavern and the monter with two
look sets to well potentially lose his license for allowing
someone to consume one on his premises. I eight one
hundred eighty ten is that number? Two?

Speaker 23 (01:23:10):
Call?

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Nine two nine two is the text. We've got Darren
on the line, but we just can't see him there
in our queue. Andrew, if you could just chuck him
right at the top, that would be brilliant. There he is,
get a Darren, Hey, Hi, not to chat with you?

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
Yeah yeah yeah. My son last year is twenty first.
He did a yard class.

Speaker 24 (01:23:30):
Very proud of my young boy. He managed it down
at in a one minute forty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Holy wow, yeah, man tumy.

Speaker 24 (01:23:36):
And while he was doing it, he chugged into it
three times and he's still consumed that as well too.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Oh that's lovely, isn't it? Any cooking monstering darren an
any any beer down the front?

Speaker 19 (01:23:47):
No?

Speaker 24 (01:23:48):
Well, of course he was fillage. Obviously, my other son
was rolling it for him and he got it down.
But yeah, the fact that he pretty much put it
all down there, three good chunders which he turned it
back into the yard class he's still checked it down
himself as well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Wow, that's to say, pretty good classes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Classy stuffhere was that at? Was that at a private
party or was that at a bar?

Speaker 13 (01:24:07):
A tigog flat? And the target he's in the target?

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Yeah, right right right? And and how was he for
the rest of the night, because that's that can be
the problem with you.

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
It was pretty rapped.

Speaker 24 (01:24:18):
I think he took half now, but he was pretty
sonk as well as he got at president of a
Jaeger Masters. He loves that as well too, And then
he finished off with a cigar and I think he
was all tucked up in bed by eleven o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Well, that's a good twenty first, and did the party
go on without him, because that happens a lot at
twenty first he.

Speaker 24 (01:24:34):
Didn't go well, We didn't leave his flat until one
o'clock chicking on him. See he was still slorry, and
so he was all good. But I also went to
my niece's twenty first over the Christmas period or a
couple of months ago, and they had twenty one cones
on her cake.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Wow stroke Yeah, And was she sitting quietly in the
corner for the rest of the night after that?

Speaker 24 (01:24:55):
I know pretty much she's all good because obviously she
doesn't drink, and there was her take, and obviously I.

Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
Think she had to get her mother and help out
finish a few.

Speaker 24 (01:25:03):
Of those cones on that too. And then I think
a few of uncles jumped there to help up to
finish it as well too. But it's moving with the times,
I guess.

Speaker 16 (01:25:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:25:10):
Yeah, so a pretty inventive cake too. The way they
did it too was pretty well, had the tubes all
through the cake at the area where she was chugging
on it, and then yeah, the other guys are lighting
the candles which were the cones.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Obviously, is he's studying engineering, no.

Speaker 24 (01:25:24):
She actually goes to Australia, right, I fear enough.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
And so what do you say, So are your kids
you know or you know your son that had the
yardy Is he a big drinker at the part of that?
I mean, he's not doing a yadi every week?

Speaker 9 (01:25:36):
Is he?

Speaker 6 (01:25:37):
No? Hell no, no no.

Speaker 24 (01:25:38):
And to be fair, you know the culture down the air,
they are pretty much they liked their drink obviously, but no,
he he that he's grounded. He's he doesn't really go
hard and does binging at all. Really, to be honest,
that was and he actually actually trained for that to
make sure that he didn't embarrass himself, which he didn't.
And of course it's all on film and we've got
to record it and all that. And all he wanted

(01:26:00):
to do was to beat his older brother. And his
older brother did his yard glass and I think it
was minute fifty six, So she smashed his brother.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
And were you worried that was the main goal? Were
you worried at all, Darren watching his watching your son
consume that amount of beer?

Speaker 14 (01:26:14):
Not at all?

Speaker 13 (01:26:14):
Not at all?

Speaker 19 (01:26:15):
Yeah, they're well, no, no, not at all.

Speaker 24 (01:26:17):
It was again, it was quite a good watching it
and settles mates there encouraging and helping them out and
things like that. And like I say, when he did
through through up a few times, I was just doing that,
oh my goodness.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
But then he just carried on.

Speaker 23 (01:26:28):
I said, oh, you legend, And.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
What about you, Darren Beck in the day, how was
your twenty first? Did you get through a yardy?

Speaker 24 (01:26:34):
No, I skipped my part because I was overseas at
the time, so yeah, I was old than a navy
so I split my birthday overseas, right, And yeah, no,
we didn't do that.

Speaker 19 (01:26:42):
So yeah, I gave that a miss. I'm glad I did,
so you'll be fair.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's right. So it's a right
a passage. It's a stupid thing to do. It's a
thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yep. Yeah, you don't give you a hunarist and never again.
For most people, one hundred and eighty ten eighties number
to call get a EIGHTEENA. Hi, how are you very good?
What's your thoughts about this?

Speaker 13 (01:27:02):
Ah?

Speaker 10 (01:27:03):
You can't take away the yardys or my boys head
the yards. I'm sixty and when I turned twenty one,
I had a half yard filled with shut on cheapest bubbles.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
Shut on. That's like, what's the other one spumanty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Yeah, so that's that's effectively two models are shout on.

Speaker 10 (01:27:26):
Oh, needless to say, I woke up the next afternoon
lying and mum's roads darden.

Speaker 17 (01:27:32):
Was not well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
So that was was whereabouts was your twenty first howl?
Was it at a bar or was it at at
a house?

Speaker 21 (01:27:41):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:27:41):
I've never heard of anyone doing a yardie at a bar.
Normally that's done it, so yes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
This story.

Speaker 13 (01:27:51):
Yeah, yeah, well I spun.

Speaker 10 (01:27:52):
The YARDI for my brother in law and two nephews
and my youngest son. He turned twenty one during COVID,
so he sort of missed out on the big twenty first.

Speaker 19 (01:28:03):
But we couldn't.

Speaker 10 (01:28:04):
We couldn't miss out at the yardy, so I spun
for him. So definitely a tradition we shouldn't get rid
of it. Just don't do it at a bar.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Yeah right, and so how many? So how many boys
did you say you've you've had?

Speaker 10 (01:28:18):
I've got four boys, but I stunned for my brother
in law to go, and then two of my nephews
and my youngest son.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
And by spun you mean you're holding the yard up
and turning it as as as he drinks an important job.

Speaker 10 (01:28:31):
Yeah, Oh, it's definitely an arch because if you go
too fast and it just ends up all over their face.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
So what happened to you man when you had your
cookie Monster and all that spillage came down in front
of you? You pretty much stitched up the spinner?

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Well no, I was just yeah, I mean not not really.
I mean I don't think I had a spinner. Actually,
now I think about it. Maybe that was my problem, Teina.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Not the solo. Yeah, it's an art to do the solo.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
I think I was just getting yelled at. All I
remember is a big circle of people yelling and screaming
at me and calling me a wasp and yelling channing
cookie monster. Thank you, thank you for your call, Tina.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Yeah, so I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. A
yard he is still a tradition. What did you do
for your one? And are your kids still doing the
likes of the yardy when they have their twenty first birthday?
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
When did we hand over so much power to petty
bureaucrats that they can shut down your business for a yardy?

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Keep those techs coming through A nine to two nine two.
It is twenty one past three. Bag fory.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Surely Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on used talk SB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Twenty three past three. So should the likes of drinking
a yard glass at your twenty first be protected when
it comes to licensed premises? I eight one hundred and
eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
I've been to a stagdoo scissors text and my mate
drank a whole tiger towel with his head under the nozzle.
Stuff had no issues.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
O came fair enough.

Speaker 7 (01:29:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
That meant, why don't you too grow up promoting such
alcohol activities as actually dumb? It's actually dumb? Select more
appropriate subject. Okay, John, we won't, but thank you for
your text. How can you be proud of your son
downing all that alcohol? Lucky he didn't end up in hospital?
Says this text. I can't believe your listeners gloating over

(01:30:19):
yard glass intext pathetic behavior. This is disgraceful and disgusting.
How low can you go? Sis? Jeff, And this TEXTA says, Hey, guys,
my wife's cousin could do a YARDI in twenty two
seconds and a point in four seconds standing on his head.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Jeez, that's impressive. Twenty two seconds a.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
Pint and four seconds standing on his head. That's our
coal going up.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
That you're doing a handstand and you're down at four
that's anti grav How the how do you do that?
Let's just go straight to the nose, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Isn't it interesting how disparate people's opinions on this. Yea,
I did my YARDI at a rugby club, but they
made me go outside the club.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Paul, yep, that's fair enough to My.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Friend had a yard glass of Miami Wine Caller in
nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Miami Wine caller. Man, that's going back.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Yeah, can you still get Miami Wine.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Cooler nine nine? Who's the textagent still get it? Did
my yadi at my twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
First I'm fifty seven now and it still sits part
of place in the lounge, to the horror of my
South African wife, and it reminds me every day of
the fun days.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
What a good key with that person is? This one says, go, guys,
My mate didn't organize as yadi in time, so we
found an old fish bowl at his barnyard party. Everyone
contributed to it with their drink. He drank like a champ,
but didn't see much of the party after. Oh that
is nasty.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Phil, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:31:35):
Good a.

Speaker 23 (01:31:35):
How are you boys doing?

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:31:36):
Good Phil, Yeah, yeah, I'll get this.

Speaker 23 (01:31:41):
This is a serious side of it, and then I'll
get into the more humor, a bit lighter side. But yeah,
when Tim rang up a while back, I thought, oh,
oh it, maybe you got to point the sort of
thing with a being responsible and saying about the license
premise all that. But on the other hand, I'm I'm

(01:32:01):
all for it. I'm thinking because I'm thinking that surely
it's better to do a yadi in a super voice
environment rather than some backyard party with no one's there
or anything. But you know, a whole bunch of people
like my cousin last year had done his YARDI and

(01:32:22):
at a pub and ash Burton I won't say the pub,
but it was like the story with the Navy go
heasviewed about three times while he's getting through it, but
he got it right through it, you know, he didn't
give up. And his parents were there with him and
some of his uncles and his rugby mates and all
that and it was outside the backyard of the pub

(01:32:44):
and yeah, and I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
You right afterwards. No, this is my thing with the
yardy is it's it's it's a writer of passage and
it's fun for everyone else to watch. Yeah, I mean,
the the stuff coming back up isn't fun for any watch,
but kind of it's kind of the end of the
night for the person, you know, especially if your light
lightweight like me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Yeah, as you said before, many times it's a stupid
thing to do, but it is a right passage into
adul holdhood for many people.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
It's right like running across burning Cole's working the show, Craig.

Speaker 19 (01:33:18):
Yes, look, I'll tell you what I'm at. Mixed personal
here with myself. I did my YARDI. I'm sixty years old.
I did my YARDI in Sydney that I had there.
My parents came over, my childer brothers came over. But
I'm not a bed drinker. So I did a YARDI

(01:33:38):
of bourbon and coke and finished it and didn't throw
out like yeah, I kept it down.

Speaker 13 (01:33:46):
I did.

Speaker 19 (01:33:47):
I had to admit I did some training. Yeah, I
knew it was coming. I was okay, do a bit
of training. For it, but and a license premises I'm
not so sure about that the good idea or not.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's probably not. But do
you think it's somewhere and should lose their license for it?

Speaker 19 (01:34:10):
I mean, like, no, I think that's ridiculous. I think
that's that's very ridiculous. You know, it has been a
ride of passage were it's something we do. And I
think as as like your last caller, most people go
out of garden barren so that he can have a
whole if he needs to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
So to me, Craig, you know, I look at those
rules and you kind of have spirits and a glass
bigger than five hundred mills and YadA, YadA, YadA. But
who hasn't had well, most people when they're younger have
a boat race in a bar where you scull your
pint or indeed just scull your pint because that's what
you're doing with your friends. So to me, it just
seems illogical that you can do that. You can scull
two point eight liters of beer and different glasses over

(01:34:52):
the space of whatever it is, half an hour, but
doing that same amount of beer in a different type glass,
that's bigger. That's that's the line that to me just
seems a little bit logical that people will go out
and they'll get sloshed no matter what the regulations are.
So whether this is different in the licensed premises, you
still still feel uncomfortable with it?

Speaker 19 (01:35:13):
Well, look, I mean honestly, I don't, okay, but but
I do understand that the world has changed a bit since. Like,
as I said, I'm sixtyx so forty years ago I
did my yard glass. But I do sort of except
that maybe we're expecting a little bit higher ethos, if

(01:35:33):
you like, from public spaces. But I definite hate to
think that it's okay. This guy gets called out of
the coals for it and possibly license and I do
agree with him. Yeah, you could scull, you know, multiple
pint glasses and get to executive the same amount of beer.
It's just a yeah, I don't know. There's part of

(01:35:57):
me that just hopes that New Zealand maybe we don't
push that heavy drinking culture.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
So yeah, twenty one twenty one is pretty old though,
wasn't it really? I guess that's the idea is that
you're you're an adult now when you're twenty one yeah,
but I mean there's there's no doubt. There's no doubt
we do have a bit a problem with been drinking
in this country, and we.

Speaker 19 (01:36:20):
Have a little bit of a problem with that. But
I definitely don't want to see somebody lose his license,
and I think that's going to be unfair.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for your cool Greg. I appreciated.
This is ridiculous. They're wrapping everyone up in cotton Wall.
I went to a fiftieth once where the birth they
guilded the yardy and then carried on drinking the rest
of the night. Well at a fiftieth Good work on the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Fifty year on this coast. Yeah, great discussion. Thank you
very much for everyone who rang and had a chat
to us in text through. I think by and large,
I'm just taking a pic here. I think it's about
eighty twenty in favor of just letting people have a
yardy if that's what they want to do. Let's not
freak out about a tradition that some people do some
people don't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Yeah, well, look it's not every night, and it's not
on the it's not on the drinks list. It's not
like you don't have a whole bar full of people
do the yards. That would be anarchy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
That would be Thailand.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
But but yeah, Coast Unroad, but that would be oh
my god, if you go to Coast Unroad, you really
question the Australia, New Zealand and British drinking culture, don't you.
Oh it's bad, it's bad. It's not a good look.
But yeah, I mean it's it's a tradition. It's not

(01:37:31):
something that people do a lot. It's, as I keep
saying over and over again, repeating myself, it's a rite
of passage. It's you do it because it's stupid, and
then you move on with your life and you never
do it again. As that guy said, he's did his
thirty seven years ago. The yardie still sits on the shelf.
It never used it again.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Yeah, spot on, great discussion, Thank you very much. Coming
up after the headline should tradees limber up before getting
on the tools. We'll tell you more about that very shortly.
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Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
No one knows why.

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Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Back to Matteth and Tyler, Adam sank you very much, Raylan.
It is twenty five to four, so should trade ese
limber up before getting on the tools. As most of
us no construction trade work involves heavy lists, a lifting,
repetitive strain, sudden exertion, yet warm up routines are not
commonly part of the work culture. In fact, one physio

(01:39:27):
reckons a forty hour week in the construction industry is
comparable to the output and movement of athletes, which is
pretty incredible.

Speaker 15 (01:39:34):
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Well, I mean I would absolutely assume that, right, because
you know, there's so many different movements picking things up,
moving thans, reaching around, you know, so many different muscles
being used, being in different trades. Right, Yeah, I can
totally see it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Being an athlete, you're always pushing the body.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Yeah, but really, so they're saying. Basically, what they're saying
is that about five hundred and fifty construction worders per
month for board injuries causing at least a week off work,
and construction was the third highest source of acc workplace
injuries claims in twenty twenty three. So stretching before work

(01:40:15):
in the morning. You see this with the pit crews
in F one, They'll stretch before they start of the race. Yeah,
they get shape for it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
They are athletes, So those guys, aren't they Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
Well, one of Liam Lawson's pit stocks was two point
two seconds in Montreal.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
It's unreal. That is a talent there. So if you
are a trader, you're in construction, what do you say
about this? I mean, do you stretch up before getting
on the tools? And do you think it should be
part and parcel of that particular industry.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
So I texted one of the builders that's working on
my house at the moment, I said, have you ever
seen a trade stretch like an athlete before they start
work in the morning? And he said, we worked for
the CRL train tunnels. Every morning before the start of work,
they would make everyone do a prestart group stretch.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
That is modern. Come on through I one hundred and
eighty ten eighty if you like that particular build or
have you been part of a project where they make
you do some stretches before you get on with your day.
Nine two ninety two is the text number is well.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Our trade is basically industrial athletes. And what about you
know office workers sitting on your ass right hunched over?
Should you be doing I don't know, posture posture stretches
before you sit down and type away for the day.

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call share your view. It is twenty two to four.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Your home of Afternoon Talk Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Said it is nineteen two four Afternoon Chaps says is text.
I used to work on an exploration drill rig in
Western Australia. We were contracted to BHP and at one
mind sight, after one prestart meeting, we would have to
do stretches. They had an in house instructor. She was
a ten out of ten Eastern European hottie, and after

(01:42:13):
we finished, she would wink at us and smile and say,
in his sixty voice, is there anything else you boys
would like to stretch this morning? Hah haha, I'll never
forget it, and had all the boys going, She's at him.
That text started one place and went somewhere else. And look,
that just teaches you, as a professional bookcaster, you should
read the whole text for you and you're here before
you read it out loud.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Some would say good on BHP. Yeah for are the
people that employed, but thank you very much for that.
Ticks and this one says gooday guys, Oh, but I
just lost it. Here we go some years ago, about
twenty four years. I went for a company that had
a personal trainer come in once or twice a week
for about an hour to conduct exercises. The exercise that
threw me was when we had to rapidly blink to
strengthen our eyesight for real. That's from Dennis the.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Six that Hey, Matt, I just drove past your house.
The trade's having you on. They're all out front. One
is doing a yardie. Most of my trades do a
lot of jaw exercise.

Speaker 6 (01:43:06):
Haha.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
A great show, Michael. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:43:10):
Yeah, good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
How are you doing very well? What's your take on stretching.

Speaker 7 (01:43:17):
I used to do a lot of landscaping, like I
don't do that anymore sexty odds, but we never stretched
or did anything before working, and landscaping is pre fall
on a lot of bending.

Speaker 13 (01:43:34):
We should say, so we'll go what do you do?

Speaker 16 (01:43:36):
So?

Speaker 13 (01:43:36):
We just moved stuff around.

Speaker 7 (01:43:39):
We take it hard. We moved that somewhere else. We
put something in the whole. We move timber, we move concrete,
move cement. We make some men a lot of bending
knee work. I've got a lower compress.

Speaker 13 (01:43:53):
To bray. I mean, I'm still agile and I can
move around and work. But knowing now what I do
and why I.

Speaker 7 (01:44:02):
Bought my body through, I am all for doing warm
ups in stretchers before a day's work.

Speaker 13 (01:44:07):
If you're doing that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Are you still landscaping now, Michael, No, I sort of.

Speaker 7 (01:44:13):
It was starting to do my back and body, and
so I gave it in about six eight years ago.

Speaker 13 (01:44:18):
Now I'm sort of ground.

Speaker 15 (01:44:20):
I do a bit of law.

Speaker 13 (01:44:21):
Mine got a hedgework and gardening.

Speaker 10 (01:44:23):
Much like.

Speaker 6 (01:44:26):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:44:26):
I've had to go to the Oscar Pass and the
pass from my back.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
And was there anything I'm sorry to hear that, was
there any of a suggestion of doing stretches back in
the day for you, Michael? Did anyone ever raise it?
Was it even on the radar?

Speaker 13 (01:44:41):
Not really, we're just stuck in.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Yeah, I mean to be sir, Michael, I can absolutely
agree with what this article is saying and what you're saying,
but it would have been laughed at back and those
you know, back in the early days, and they even
not that long ago. Maybe it still would be that
you get to the work site and then you start
doing some jumping jacks. I mean, most of the boys
would have laughed.

Speaker 7 (01:45:03):
At that, right, I mean, yeah maybe, But like nowadays,
I've taken up In the last five years, I've taken
up archery and that's a sport.

Speaker 13 (01:45:13):
I'm an athlete, so to speak. I religiously. There were
a full routine of stretches before I start shooting.

Speaker 6 (01:45:23):
I have to.

Speaker 13 (01:45:25):
Yeah, I touched those back necks. It's really important for me.
If I don't, I know, I'm going to do himself
with an injury and get a strain.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Yeah it's important, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. If you stuffed your back,
it's absolutely important.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
We'll look after yourself. Michael Gregg, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 16 (01:45:45):
I think in the ages and nineties, I trucks that
express straight around the UK and Europe. I used to
go to the Toyota Plants and Derby and the North
of England. Before they started in the morning, they had
them out doing exercises and stretching out and doing everything.
And I asked to card Work about it because they
didn't do it at the Forward Plants, and this guy

(01:46:06):
said it was a great idea because he's when you're
leaning over and into a car, all go along and
fitting parts and lifting and so forth. He said, It
might sound funny, but he said it was one of
the best things for keeping your back. Okay, and as
long as you stay out in Australia, don't go like
a ball in a china shop. I think you're not
too bad because you can do yourself harm and you

(01:46:26):
go too quick, can't you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
The whole thing with stretching now, isn't it is to
gently hold a stretch for like thirty seconds right each stretch,
as opposed to the old day. It used to be like,
you know, like you know, working into it, going hard
as fast, working into it. Yeah, now you hold it
for thirty seconds.

Speaker 13 (01:46:47):
What do you guys do?

Speaker 16 (01:46:48):
Do you do anything before you're sitting your chairs each day?

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
We do vocal exercises. We do a bit of a wrestle, yeah,
just to get limbited up. I brush my teeth before
I come to work, you know, just the basic s.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Greg slap my fautself on the face a couple of times.

Speaker 16 (01:47:06):
Okay, you've got chairs to sit on.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
We do have very good cheers.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
I'm glad to ask Greg because when we started here
we noticed that my costing had a really really flashed
cheir and I demanded to have the same cheer as him,
and so we do. We have these incredible cheers like
the lumbus support. On this cheer, Greg, it's every time
I sit in this chair, it actually fixes my posture
and makes me a stronger human being.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Yeah, my back's never been better. Yeah, but just on that, Greg,
just generally, I don't think they got it up here
in Auckland. But we had a posture expert coming to
the christ Church office for this very company. She was
a German woman and she went around each of us
and just looked at our posture, gave us a nice
neck message and tried to correct on how we were sitting. Oh,
that was pretty decent of the company at the time.

Speaker 16 (01:47:48):
I think it's good. And then I had the back
fuse when I was twenty nine. I've got a couple
of screws in the back for there was a long
distance truck driver. But I use a rumber roll all
the time and I wear a stotics and the shows
because you've got to look after your back. It's the
worst pain you can have. For if you start having trouble,
whether it's those people will tell you it's It's the
basis of everything, isn't it. Your back at home it

(01:48:08):
all together.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Thanks for you call, Greg, You've had my spine fused.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
It's making me feel a bit worried actually, because I'm
starting to get a few tweaks in the back despite
sitting in this beautiful Mike Coskin chair. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighties and I'm going to call nine two
ninety two is the text? Do you stretch before working
in the construction industry?

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Hey boys, My husband was a professional cricketer in the eighties,
said there warm up was a cup of tea and
a cigarette. How things have changed in regards so well?
It used to be that in cricket that bring out
cigarettes with the drinks tray in the bent in an
Edges series, so everyone as six would come out and
they'd stand up the field and have a drink of

(01:48:47):
rehydrate and smash a dart.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Like an episode of Mad Men. Keep those six coming
through a nine two, nine to two and taking your
calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty just while
we're having this conversation. You know what this reminds me of.
You remember that episode of The Simpsons where Homer becomes
three hundred pounds and then mister Burns decides.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
Thing the moonmoove.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Yeah, mister purs starts to implement the exercise routine for
all the works.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Because one and he goes. You still only ten eroquired
twists or something. I remember that line. Yeah, any athlete
will tell you SIS is text. So it's actually bad
to stretch cold muscles. You stretch to cool down before exercise.
You get blood pumping to your muscles, things like running
on the spots, skipping, jumping jacks. Five minutes and you're done.

Speaker 13 (01:49:26):
Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Yeah? I don't know. Nine two nine two. If you're
a physio, it is twelve minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
Actually, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talk zid be.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
It has nine to four.

Speaker 14 (01:49:45):
Is your rate, huck Erit is your left huck erit.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
I want to see more Teddy Roosevelt and less Franklin Roosevelt.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
Pusher the JAD bring in.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
The there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
That's the Simpson's working out at the nuclear power plant.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
That's such a good episode. Oh one hundred and eighty
sen Eightyes, a number of call to your stretch before
you get on the tools.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
Strengthen your core and your back will benefit. Learn yoga
and learn to press your feet down there you go, Okay,
so yoga before a day on the tools, you reckon
that would fly.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Keep those teaks coming through a nine to two nine two, Wayne,
what's your take on this?

Speaker 24 (01:50:29):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:50:30):
Yeah, thanks?

Speaker 13 (01:50:32):
My question is.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
It's just where the term.

Speaker 19 (01:50:36):
Builders scrap comes from.

Speaker 6 (01:50:39):
Highly likely all the screeching.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
And yeah, some of their pants stretcher a little bit
too much.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
I would say, yeah, are we still getting bulls crackers?
That still a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
I haven't seen a good builders creek for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
I feel like builders are in better shape than they've
ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Yeah, plumbers crack?

Speaker 13 (01:50:57):
Is that a thing?

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
You might see that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
You don't get sparky cracked, do you?

Speaker 16 (01:51:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
You certainly don't.

Speaker 9 (01:51:01):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:51:02):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
A couple of more teas coming through on nine two
nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Stretching, there's a load of rubbish. Do you see a
line stretch before the big chase or good point?

Speaker 19 (01:51:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
You kind of do. My dog Colin stretches as soon
as he gets up in the morning. He does a
downward dog and an upward dog before he gets on
with his life.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Dogs do love a good stretch. This one giddy. Guys,
those streech before starting jobs are over satisfied. That's why
budgets blow out on big jobs like the Auckland projects.
Just get into it. You're fifteen minutes warmed up. That's
all it takes. Just get on with the jobs. Stretching
is just woke weh.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Hey, guys, I was a store person. We would get
a written warning if we didn't do our ten minutes
stretching exercises every day. Cassy pretty extreme.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
And this one and get a guys, never used to stretch.
I am a chippy still in the business, but hopefully
for not much longer because I want to retire. Not
doing stretching certainly cost me in terms of my muscles
and my health. But now I get all the boys
to do it. They initially laughed and told me to
get stuffed, but now each of them get amongst it.
It's a nice fun way to start the day.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Steve says, I work in warehousing, inwards dispatch and logistics.
Every morning, our team does a five minute warm up.
As the team does a lot of lifting of eighteen
to twenty kg. We also have a physio come in
weekly for anyone to make use of it, Steve, So
it's probably one of the going to be one of
those things where people go, oh, you know, no one
would stretch before they doing their work. Tradees. But then

(01:52:34):
you'll have employee ers going, it's much better to have
our people working all the time rather than getting injured.
And if what is it five hundred and fifty what
is it five hundred and fifty a week trade having
to take time off work from injuries that could be

(01:52:54):
prevented from stretching. You can see a boss who's trying
to reach deadlines and doesn't want downtime, you know, getting
given to stretch then and then this will be in
the future. In the mornings when you drive past any
kind of site, you're going to see everyone out there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Doing a couple of Hey yah yas, how good. Hey
shall we get that German woman back in to have
a look at our posture? Yeah, I've still got a number,
so I'll give her a call. A right, great discussion,
Thank you very much. TEEVN who texts.

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
Parky's crack is something different, nothing to do with stretching it, mkay.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
What was that employing all.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Right, okay. That brings us to the end of the show.
Thank you so much for listening. It's been a funny
old show, hasn't it The number one drive show in
the country. Heather Dupacy Ellen is up next, and after
four years Mayor of Wellington Andrew Little and he secured
the lowest rates rise the city has seen since twenty twenty.
He tells us how he did it. But Tyler, my

(01:53:49):
good friend, why am I playing this punishingly catchy song
from nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 25 (01:53:55):
Chumba one bar tub bumping? Winston Peters loves a song
one of his favorites, is it? Yeah, it's quite It
was kind of acting for him last election. But I
don'tually know why you're planning today. I've got no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
It was because a pub is being in investigated in
the Targo for allowing a twenty one year old to
do a yardie on their birthday. Great back, all right,
we'll be back live from midday tomorrow. Until then, give
him a taste of Kiwi from us. All right, you see, busy,
We'll let you go. Bless Listless.

Speaker 10 (01:55:30):
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.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Hey Jonas!

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Full Show Podcast: 27 May 2026

Hey Jonas!